Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Penny Stock Scam Makes $6 Million in 24 Hours

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

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We're never going to have to worry about money, you know. And Lenny tells him, and he goes, Jimmy, you see what happened? what happened shit went up like $6 overnight I'm not well versed in the stock market I really don't understand everything that's going on but I know for a penny stock that's insane

right yeah and well in my you know I'm not going to say pre-brain because I do consider myself relatively intelligent but in my brain I'm worth all of a sudden overnight 6 million 15,000 more dollars

That's how I'm thinking about it I'm thinking about the dollars And I don't know It couldn't have been only a couple of days after that And I think and I could be wrong I think it went to like $17 Which for a penny stock is retarded

And of course at that point The SEC came in And so here's what happened What year was this? That was 99 evidently now I wasn't there for this but I believe the guy's name was Al Flores Alfred Flores

he got a hold of Gary tab which Gary if you remember was the Rodney Dangerfield guy right okay he got a hold of Gary and Gary was a really sharp guy I don't know how he pulled the wool over his eyes and they didn't do any research or anything but he convinces Gary that he had been in Portugal

and he came up with a cure for AIDS and not only did he have a cure it was all natural but guess what government was suppressing it absolutely how do you know that pharmaceutical industry they don't want that they don't want that it's all natural you can't get addicted to and it's going to cure AIDS they're making tons of money pharmaceutical companies making tons of money on their own right their own research their own their own but they don't have a cure they don't have a cure they don't want a cure right they don't want to cure we've got to cure they make more money off of treating it than curing it you're right sorry that's the that's the that's the that's the conspiracy theory argument so so now i'm you know i'm hearing this and i'm like what we're car dealers what do we know about

well what's not that we this guy oh he did all this research and blah blah blah and i kind of looked around and i thought you know what i need to get rid of some of this stock of something bad's about to have Before I could make any move and get rid of one share, even, I get a phone call. And Mr. Sturgis, my name is Jim Warner, and I'm a United States postal inspector. And my infinite wisdom, I didn't know what a postal inspector was. I said, listen, I'm a busy guy. I'm getting this place going. Our postage meter works fine.

I don't have no issues with a post office. thanks keep doing a great job have a good day hang the phone up a couple seconds later you know I'm getting paged on the intercom system for a phone call I'm like who the fuck is it oh you know so you know my calls are all screen so it was this so I started being a little gruff again with him I was like listen he's like no no you listen I think you need to understand exactly what I am and he says I need to see you I'm down the street he's like he's like like 10, 15 minutes away from the, not even, from the car dealership. And he's like, I'm at this restaurant.

Now, you've got two choices. You've got whatever he came. He's 15, 20 minutes. If you're going to come here and talk to me, or I'm going to have four FBI agents come get you, and it's not going to be free. All right. Got my attention. Right.

You're arrested in the dealership or you can come, you can be here in 20 minutes. Well, and listening to you, I realized, and of course, as we get further down to my other fuck-up, you know if normally if you make a mistake or have bad judgment or however you want to put it you break the law the cops come put handcuffs on you and you go to jail not with the feds the feds come and tell you hey you fucked up we're going to come after you but we're going to let you think about it before we actually act well most people will bury themselves in that period of time like they'll send you a target letter and listen to your phone calls listen to your panicked phone calls from to all of your buddies saying i can't believe it i never should have done this i never should

done that well and i didn't you know i i mentioned the pussy and all the party and this and that when i would get back to Vegas i never thought about this but they would go i mean i can't say that i'm not stupid i did think about it but you know here's a check for 10 grand but it's not all for you right you cash the check put three in your pocket i bring seven back and we'll split it amongst you know and And I remember, I asked Gary, and, well, Andy left because he knew shit was going to go back. He was a CFO. He wanted nothing, you know, and he left before this whole thing with Flores. He's like, you know what, you guys, you know, writing these checks out, you know, I mean, what's that $15,000 bonus for?

And of course, guess what? It doesn't say Matt Cox, you know, it doesn't say Colby. It says Jim Sturgis. It's, you know, that check's made out to me. So the guy says to me, he says, listen, you see this, where's all this money? What do you mean? Where's the money? Well, probably gone. What do you mean? There's a lot of money here. And so I think the number of they came up with originally a little.

400 grand that they felt that I owed the federal government and I said no that can't be right you know somebody had made a mistake here and it certainly can't be me right you know well you've cashed 400,000 dollars with a checks that were written to you based off of this that came directly out of this company that's a fraud at this point well at this point now it is now it's a problem before now it's not a problem because and I didn't even tell you all you know and I knew things were a little sketchy when Gary calls his brother, I can't remember his name, and he comes to Vegas and they tried to, I want to say shield me, but I think the better word probably would be hide it from me because they knew I wasn't a dummy and, you know, I would

question things. But we ended up rent in another office down the road. And guess what went on there? Harvey Tap. Harvey came up from L.A. and Harvey Special was to run a boiler room. We had, you know, I don't even know, 30, 40, 50 guys, depending on what day, a time you went in there on the phone. Hey, Mr. Cox, this is so-and-so, and I've got a stock offer for you. Yeah, yeah. Selling our... Wolf of Wall Street. So, you know, we're selling stock, but there's so much going out, you know, I mean, I don't know how they truly even valued it. Meanwhile, that's how we're buying dealerships. Okay. we come and say well yeah well what do you want for it or you want three million listen i'm

going to give you four matter of fact let me make it four and a half right you know i really like you so we'll give you four and a half but i'm not going to give you any cash i'm just going to give you stock and then the boiler room sells a stock and the boiler room sells a stock so and or the or the dealers like i felt bad for for a guy up in myrtle beach what the hell was his name back i think i think addie i think mike addy was his name but i think it was addie dodging how is that that's not illegal it's illegal when it became a pump and dump scheme and you got that and they came in and said we have the cure for aids well well yeah so that it was bad enough they're doing the boiler room thing and and i know because they're probably saying it's worth more

than it is right i i didn't know exactly what they were saying or what they were doing but i knew that it really wasn't legal to do what they were doing, but they're getting away with it. They're writing me these big checks. All my bills are paid, you know, I don't have to worry about money. I mean, I don't have to pay any bills, nothing. Right. You know, and I'm getting all these bonuses.

Plus, I'm getting a weekly paycheck, which at that time, right before everything came to an end, it was stupid money, like $5,000 or something a week was my salary. So couldn't spend the money. Couldn't spend it. Right. And so anyways, this postal inspector calls

and he's the one that explains to me about the fraud he said what do you know about this floor I never even heard the name until you just told me and he goes what do you know about the whole age thing and I said I don't know nothing I said I know what Lenny told me you know something about

we got a cure and you guys are suppressing it and you know our stock went up and he's like really that's what you know and I said pretty much and he goes okay well now let's go back to this. What do you know about all this money? I said, well, I cashed some checks. I didn't think it was that much. And he goes, well, I'm pretty sure it is that much. You know, it's all in black

and white. So how did you want to take care of this? And I said, well, what do you mean? How do I want to take care of it? I said, you've got to pay this money back. What are you going to do when you find out that someone has stolen your house? Are you going to go down to the county clerk and explain to them that a fraud has been committed, when you can't find the person that committed the fraud, are you going to go to law enforcement? They're not going to help you. Are you going to go to the government? They're not going to help you.

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From you? Yeah, everything, gone. Bank account froze. I had $300 in cash, and I had back to the Camaro that I drove to Myrtle Beach. That's what I had left. They gave me, I think I got an hour, maybe two hours to get out of the house of Myrtle Beach. Take what you can get in that amount of time and whatever you don't take, forget about

because you're not getting anything else. You're done. So at the end of the day, he says to me, let's talk about this. And I said, listen, Jim, there's really nothing to talk about. really don't know much about that. He goes, well, much, he goes, wait a minute, before it was anything. I said, okay, I don't know much of anything, you know, because I'm not going to put myself in a corner where I lie to him.

Right. And I said, the other thing I'm not going to do is I'm not going to rat out my buddies, you know, I said, it's just not, you know, who cuts you into this position to begin with. Right. I'm pissed off at him, but I'm still not going to, you know, and he goes, well, what do you know that you could rat him out for? I said, well, again, I really don't know much. and so we went back and forth to play in this little dance

and finally he says to me he goes you know it seems like you've been honest so we're not going to charge you with anything out of this and I'm thinking what the fuck you're going to charge me with you know I didn't do anything right you know and he goes well you really did you got securities fraud here and he said

I said but I didn't have anything to do with that decision he goes that's the reason that you know we're not but we do want to talk about this money So back and forth we went And I still insisted that I didn't owe no $400,000 Right So at the end of the day When everything's said and done with

I get what I can in the Camaro 300 bucks And again I had just It's just broken bread But not broke bread But you know Had you know

Sat with our president Future president at the table You know Had money you know now I'm broke right 300 bucks I got this car and you just want 400,000 more dollars for me

none of this is good so I get back to Daytona and at the end of the day the Florees he got a bunch of time in prison they confiscated all our stuff and I don't know how they dispersed it back but obviously the people that had

real money and they didn't look as me as real money because I had stock. I didn't have, you know what I mean? I didn't buy it. Right. So I got shit. There was nothing to get. I mean, when they liquidated, you couldn't even begin to cover, you know what I mean, what I mean, what people were paying for a stock, even when they were buying it as a penny stock. Honestly, to this day, I don't know exactly what they did do to Gary or Hank. I don't know. I never tried to contact them after that. I just want to get my life together and figure out what do I do. and so they let me slide you know and and i you know i checked into it further and i just couldn't believe

that somebody would be so balzy and i guess i left this part out so while he was allegedly doing this research in in portugal or spain it turns out that mr flores was actually in prison in denver for conspiracy to commit murder for financial gain do you mean he didn't really he didn't He didn't really have the cure phrase? I don't even think, I think I probably knew more about a cure phrase than he did. Yeah. I was just a complete scumbag. That's shocking.

That is shocking. Yeah, you know, so I haven't always. Do you think that these idiots, your buddies really believed that he had it? Or do you think they knew? In my heart of hearts, I want to, I really want to believe that Gary really believed it. And Gary was not a dumb person, but, you know, like I said, I can picture him with his polyester pants. When you're a forward thinker, you don't just bring your A game.

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and you crunch it into a pill, it will curate. It'll curates. Absolutely, Chris, that's the way it works. And they're suppressing it. Well, the government's not going to let you have it, no. Because, like you said, you know, how much money has big pharmaceutical companies given into, you know, this senator, you know, the president. Well, in Marrero's case, you would actually say that the gray aliens, the aliens were behind it. But I hear what you're saying.

The aliens are running. I'll have to send you one of Chris's videos, and you'll have a better understanding of what you're, you'll have a better understanding of what. That's your... I've ever heard about aliens before. There was usually some kind of narcotics involved. Is this individual believe it would... These are... These are extraterrestrial aliens that are really running the government.

So... But I'll send you the video. You'll get a kick out of it. Thank you. So you... He believes everything. Sorry. It sounds like...

Joe Biden could be an alien. I mean... Sounds like the Rodney Dangerfield guy. Right. He's... Gary. Gary's on that. He's on that. believing pretty much for you to believe that that you got to be kind of gold and like I said in

my heart of hearts we were friends a long time and I mean you know a little history with him too when when we got going in Vegas and of course these dummies you know just because people are buying stock and putting money it doesn't mean you can blow it right that money is not meant to so they're they're they're what are they're co-mingling funds or they're just misappropriate we had he must have went someplace and did resource ahead of time we had the biggest boat yacht on Lake Mead. This thing had, I forget, five or six bedrooms, you know, three bathrooms, three floors. The top was a jacuzzi for like 50 people that they had taken off just made it into a party

day. It was two foot longer than the biggest boat previous to when they bought it. And he was in the process of ordering a helicopter, you know. So, yeah, and that's why I assumed, you know, when they came in, you know, they came in, you know, came in there i mean i wasn't there but they came in with i saw pictures hand trucks and they took everybody's desk every file cabinet every drawer every piece of paper you know anything that was there you know that wasn't people's personal shit they took you know you got to believe i mean if they found all that money that was written to me how much money did these knucklehead state now i don't know

they they may have just paid themselves you know a handsome salary yeah but they were all getting cash from you so they knew something they knew hey we need to put something aside in case this whole thing goes wrong so they knew something was wrong right and and if the true number was 400 I probably got maybe 60 of it right if I'm lucky you know because like I said you know I can remember getting checks for 10 15,000 and only keeping like two right you know I don't really need the money you know and I'm thinking it's probably wrong but you know, we're, you know, the Bajio had recently opened, so they're down there betting on

the horses on Saturday and, you know, doing a lot of shady shit. Prior to that, Gary actually had owned a couple of racehorses. And so he was, and there's a real quick, cute story about that. We were going to Escondido to get his furniture from Vegas. And we stopped at Santa Anita because he had this hot tip. Put 50 in, I'm putting 50 in. You go in. You go in. and bet and I'm it doesn't matter if it was either the sixth horse in the seventh race or the seventh horse in the sixth race whichever way I was supposed to do it I did it backwards and guess what you all the money no it was a long shot that went off at some stupid and a motherfucker one the one that the hot tip didn't pay off my fuck up actually paid we actually made money he's pulling

out bitching me you dumb mother it must have been the seven horse in the six race because we're you know he's cussing the hell out of me and I'm like well let's at least see you You know, he's like this. You know, it's a nag, blah, blah, blah. And we're pulling out of the parking lot, and he's still got the thing on the radio, and all of a sudden, this horse that I bet on, his sheer air comes in.

No, we made like 1,500 bucks, you know, off 100. No, more than that. We made more than that. I don't remember what it was, but at Santa Anita, I'll never forget that. But, you know, Jimmy Borlaug, and I, we used to go to the reel for the seafood buffet. I guess they blew that place up now.

Somebody told me, which I find hard to believe. They had the beautiful nightclub on the roof. and back in 97, 98, it was like 32 bucks for their buffet there. You know, everybody thinks you go to Vegas and everything's free or an extra free. Well, if you're gambling enough, yeah, it is free. And if you want to go off the strip and eat shit that, you know, I wouldn't feed my dog, you can get a $6 prime rib dinner. But you got, you know, something the size of a half dollar.

And, you know, it's not quality meat. You know, you still pay for these and stuff. stuff. So anyways, I really don't know what happened to Gary or Hank or Jim. I have no idea. I never. So I come to Daytona. I'm dead nuts broke. You know, I go to my parents' house and I'm thinking, what the fuck am I going to do? If I take a job, just like what you were saying, they want, I thought they told me 10%. But I'm thinking it's more than that. Now, I'm thinking now maybe they told me 25, anything that I made, they're going to take a big chunk out of it until I get it paid. So I'm still crying poverty. Listen, I, you know, I can't pay you people. I don't have anything. And eventually I was able to make a deal and pay, you know, with an Atari way less and just make it go away after time

because they figured out that I wasn't the one, you know, I had nothing to do with the AIDS bullshit. Right. And that turned out to be one of the biggest scams at the infancy of the Internet. You know, that was one of the, that was like the premier scam when the internet first you know i mean if you remember 99 2000 that's when the internet was just getting going so what what how much money ultimately did that did that was that valued at

what do you mean like are they saying it was a 400 million dollar scam was it a 2 million dollar scam that i can't tell you that exact number i'm not going to sit here in life i don't know i'll just tell you i don't know right okay i don't remember or i don't think i ever knew usually that's what they do is they'll say it's a 150 million dollar scam or you know yeah no it was way more than that but yeah i i don't know because you know you had millions and millions of shares of stock at one point you know i i want to say the the normal number i i think it was like 260 a share or something you know which i'm still good with okay i got a million 15 000 shares i sell half of them that's a million of it's a million of it's a million of

If I had sold half of them when it was at the peak, holy Christ. You'd really be in trouble. Oh, that's what he told me. He said, you better be thankful you didn't sell one share with that stuff. And he goes, now you can wipe your ass with it because, you know, it's kind of rough for that. But, you know, he said, you know, it's done. You know, you're done. So I'm pretty much fucked.

Right. I come down and, you know, with my tail between my legs and stay at my parents and try to figure out what I'm going to do. And believe it or not, I took a job driving a taxi. cash business you know government can't take nothing because they don't know i'm even working right and did real well at it you know in my personality i've always you know done the sales thing and that's what you're doing and Daytona is such a touristy area you know like spring break i had a 15 passenger van i'd put 30 kids in that thing you take them a dollar a block so so if they're in the 1,000 block it's a dollar the 2,000 they pay two 3 000 they pay 3 i'm you know i've actually made

stupid money i think i honestly think and i didn't keep perfect track but i think i made around a hundred thousand dollars after the first four you were doing i did it for like a year and a half two years almost before i was able to make a deal with the government and and get back in the world so then i we open up a car dealership in florida and Daytona and that was going okay and then the landlord comes and says listen i'm in the wedding business And he's coming down from his main office down to almost where I am and says, I want to use this for the wedding business. Your lease is up in, you know, three months.

You've got to go. I'm not going to renew it. So I ended up with a bunch of cars. And I met another guy, Joe Grimaldi and Daytona, put cars up with him. Well, actually, I rented a spot just a storm. And he's like, what are you going to do it? I said, well, we're going to sell them, but, you know, I, you know, explain, oh, I got a car lot, put it. So we ended up going partners.

I waited until you heard this. We ended up going partners, but everything's in his name, which is okay. And I go back to the bog business, you know, bad, excuse me, folks were bad credit business. And we had a company in Orlando called Laser. And so let's say that you stole the car for 10 grand. or they usually weren't 10 with that company let's say you sold one for 5 000 and the people put tax tag and title money down so at the end of the day you're they're financed and the whole five grand i take the contract to orlando to altamont springs and they give me 2 500 they give me half

up front and then as the people pay they pay me and that's okay you know and the longer they pay the higher my percentages that i get every month at that way you still have working capital And so I ended up doing well with them, and then I got a company called Auto Use out of Massachusetts. And we had, as I remember, and I've lost the paperwork, but anyways, as I remember, we had almost a half a million dollars on the books with auto use. And I had about the same, I think I had more with laser than I did auto use, but a lot of money coming, you know, right around a million dollar mark. And so anyways, I guess it was on a Friday. I was writing myself a check or a hybrid if we did it. Anyways, I checked for $1,000.

And what I used to do is take $1,000 a week. And then at the beginning of the month, we'd get our checks in from, you know, and so whatever it was, you know, let's say the check is $50,000 just to make it easy. You had, say, $10,000 expenses that leaves $40,000, $20 goes to Joe, $20 goes to Jim. Joe's part is, you know, it's in his name, I'm using his money, and we're using my brains, and so that's how we're coming up with a split. So I have all this back-end money built up. We put in a check for 50 grand, and my check's no good at the bank.

What the fuck? So I go to the bank, and, you know, the branch were where he did everything, and I said, what's going? Oh, Joe came in earlier, and he took all the money out of that account. And it's now in, you know, Grimaldi Enterprises account because he was a plumber too, you know. So that all went south. And we ended up part in ways. And one of my other friends, lifelong friend ended up in there. I think he ended up getting some of it. I don't know. I know there were checks coming in their 14, 15 grand a month. Half of should have been mine from just one company. And forget about the other company.

He claims the other company didn't send him any money. Company claims they did. I never got anything. So I end up in New York. I went back up, you know, my parents moved back upstate New York. And you always end up back home, they say. When I went up, there was a little girl named Savannah. Savannah had a couple problems. Imagine this.

Here we are with another female. One was she liked to smoke. And other than that, she also liked to do her. And she used to cry, I got to stop. I'm going to end up dead. And God rest of soul, she did, at 25 or six years old, it's sad. I think that she got murdered. She was staying at one of her ex-boyfriend's houses, who was a dealer.

His new girlfriend is not happy. He's got one of his exes living in the house. So his current girlfriend starts giving her dope. Well, you don't have to be, you know, it's not a real far stretch. I mean, people told me that, you know, she was putting rat poison in the she was giving her. and I guess after a couple days she started getting sick and after a couple days she was butt naked on a couch shitting herself and they finally called her mother and you know raised her to the hospital her mom got to spend the last hour of her life holding her hand before she died

and then they let her stay with her for like another hour beyond that so obviously prior to all that she had you know crying and crying and crying so I got to stop I got to stop I got to stop I said listen are you really serious do you really want to stop and she's like and you're dating her at this point no no she's just a friend okay and you know i mean i was still doing a little bit of coke but i'm i'm ready to be done with i'm you know i don't so i said listen the only way you're going to change things as you have to you know you have to change people places and things that's you know and i said as long as we live it in daytona right now you're never going to stop so i'm going back to new york you don't know anybody up there you've never been there it's a small

all town and actually instead of cooperstown where onianta which is a really small city and and i said i'll take you up there and now i did start dating her when i take her up there but at you know before we went i really wasn't so we take her up there how long do you think it took her to find a dealer um i was dating a chick that smoked pot and we went to atlanta and she didn't have anybody dealer to sell her pot and she made a she made an appointment at a hair salon showed up at the hair salon got her hair done and walked out with a bag of weed and that girl hooked her up with her dealer so we're talking about within a day less than 24 hours yeah same thing and savannah Savannah had why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space

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So I bring her back up. and I promise this time it's going to be different it wasn't I mean I knew better but and so now in the interim along comes this she met this girl Leah Desimini beautiful Italian girl

dark hair with the prettiest blue eyes I mean hard body this girl I mean your dick would get hard just looking at her she was like model type material right and so they become friends and And Leah

I felt like she was kind of like flirtatious And I'm thinking Look, I'm, you know, 30 years older than Savannah, I'm probably about 28 years older than Leah, you know, I mean The fact that I'm hitting the young one is But I'm not, you know, this girl's out of my league You know, I mean, she, you know, I'm old enough to be her father

She's dropped it, you know, she could have anybody she wants Why the fuck was she? Well, it turns out that, you know, she found out that I get pain pills. You know, but I mean, legit, not, you know, not off the street. I mean, I get to prescription. And I got ran over on my Harley. That was the, like, four years ago. I'll tell you that story, too. But anyway, so it was about dope with her, too.

And it got to the point, Savannah would move out. That afternoon, Leah would move in. Then Leah would move out. and Savannah would move back in. Same day. I mean, one would move out in the morning by afternoon the other, and without me making a phone call, anything, it was like, I don't know, it was almost like a sick game they played or whatever. But Savannah is up there, and she wants to go to New York City to visit her friend from Daytona. I said, okay, this is how this started. So I go to New York City. So we go visit her friend Lynn, and Lynn is an MMA fighter. This is just one

tough chick. But she likes to. too. So, here's my number one experience with Savannah and Lynn in New York. Lynn goes and gets her two bags of hair and told her, don't do both. Just, you know, do half a one. Or, you know, if you really, you can do one problem. But it's really, this girl dumps two bags of her thing and does her thing. And next thing, I know she's blue, Matt. Right. She's essentially dead. picking her up putting her in a shower and you know her friend's freaking out I'm freaking out

finally call 911 they take her to the hospital you know I don't know if they're in our candor or whatever but she finally came out she's herself you know yeah you've come to the nurse and yeah she had a amount to my wrong concealer so anyways Lynn over time

well so while we're there Samantha says well instead of paying you know 20 25 a bag for that shit up there that's not as good, why don't you buy a couple hundred dollars worth for me while we're in New York and look at the money you're saving? Okay, so we get back up to Oneonta and she starts telling people about, you know, how good this shit is and I guess she shares a little with this one, that one, now they want some. So it doesn't take long and here's a little business. And I'm going,

well, let's see, $8 a bag. pay i can get 12 but i got to buy i think 100 bags to get to eight dollar a bag deal which i'm trying to remember all the terminology i think i think a bundle was eight bags and bin was a hundred and i forget what a thousand was so i bought like a couple hundred bags you know and so that would be what a hundred at eight so it'll be sixteen hundred bucks yeah so i bought i bought two hundred bags and take them back to Oneonta and let's say that I did this on a Sunday afternoon by like 3 o'clock Monday there's none left it's gone and I got people calling want more right and I'm thinking this is getting too big way too quick so I trust this kid Danny Hunt which was another

a mistake and I said here's the deal you're living at your grandparents house you're a shit bum you know you have no money and you're a drug addicts here's what I'll do for you I'm going to send you out to make these deliveries don't bring anybody to this house but I'm going to let you stay at my house I'll make sure you have money in your pocket cigarettes food you know so you've got a place to stay you've got money in your pocket you got a car to drive you know you've got everything right and you're happy because whenever you want a bag of dope here you go here's the catch you ever get busted

you don't know my name you don't know who I am you know you found this shit on the side I don't care what you tell him but the last words out of your mouth better be my name no problem it's okay so things are going good

and I've grown this shit from you know a couple hundred bags or 150 whatever a day to like a thousand you know i mean it was some stupid amount and i'm trying to remember the exact amount but i had actually weighed the shit out because if i got i knew if i got any more than that and got caught with it the charge was substantially worse you know it became you know it was a big step up so rather than

take a chance on that charge i would only get i think it was two thousand bags at a time and i found this fake safe it was an armor bottle it was the coolest thing ever the top had armament, you could spray it. Screwed it together. The label blocked the scene. Nobody could see it. I had glued some red pepper on the inside of the thing because I was told that that kept the dogs from sniffing it.

Okay. And evidently it worked because when, you know, of course, you know that something bad is bound to happen. But anyways, This goes on for a while, and all of a sudden, I wonder where to f*** Danny is. He should have been back, you know, an hour ago. I was phone, no answer.

And it went to voicemail. That's not good. I think he left my house at 1.30 quarter of 2 in the morning. Like 6.30, he comes walking up. Where's my trailways? Cops got it. Oh. What did they get you for?

Well, I just had one little bag with a little resin left. I said, what about the dope that you? Oh, that was already gone. And he goes, well, wait a minute. No, he said there's still some in the trailways. He had to think for a minute. And he says, he had a shaving cream can that was a fake safe too. Colgate shaving cream can.

That's what he had in him. So I said, what did you tell the cops? I didn't tell nothing. I didn't tell nothing. I didn't tell nothing. I was, you know, and I said, so they. let you go you got no ticket you got they arrested you they took my vehicle why did they take my vehicle then if they didn't arrest you why well i i don't know i'm not

sure but they did they towed it you would think the cops would have at least given him a a reason i mean something to say instead of saying oh come up with something right he's a he's a he's a drug addict like you can't well and then thankfully for me this is in delhi New York is a real small town and the cop that's investigating me as it turns out is basically a rookie, he doesn't have a clue what he's doing everything he does turns out

to be totally illegal but anyway obviously you know it doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's talked right so we go get my trailblazer and he's still telling me he's still dope in it we go get it and he comes flying out of the parking lot I follow

him up the street he pulls over they they must have taking it out. Shaman can's still there. You know, the fake safe's still there. At that point, you know, now I was pretty sure now I'm positive. You know, he talked. No doubt.

So now I have to separate myself from him without pissing him completely off because, you know, he's already talked. It's only going to get worse. Did you kill him, dump him in the woods? No. No, but you're surprised you you say that because. It went through your mind? No.

No, no, you have no idea how close that actually came to happening. So as it turned out, I ended up, or Lynn, ends up dating this Mexican guy who was a really nice guy. And he's the one I'm getting the dope from. As it turns out, his brother is in the upper echelon of the Mexican mafia. Wait a second. A Mexican selling is connected to the cartel? Imagine that. Stop it.

Not true. So the brother says to me, I'll never forget, he's standing, and this is the good brother. Well, I mean, they're both good guys, but this is the brother that's well connected. He's standing next to the car, and one of my, I never drove any place. I had people drive me. So one of my addict's friends, whatever you want to call him, customers, this kid used to operate an excavator. And he was going through 20 bags a house every day. I don't know how this kid function, how he didn't kill somebody.

But anyway, he drove me down because he was finally starting to run low on money. I loved him because, you know, he's bringing me nothing but money, money, money. So anyways, he drives me down, and I used to give him, I don't know, two or three bags. He'd drive me to New York City and back. I mean, it's a three-hour ride each way. Plus, you know, you got a bunch of dope because if I go down, you're going with me. You know, you can count on that. And so anyways, one trip that were down there before,

Danny had gotten in trouble the brother that's, you know, hardcore in the mafia and he's standing at the back of his car and he pulls out his gun and he says, Jim, he's got to go and he said, let me just and he said, the alley's right there

and we'll just, and leave him and go. And, you know, I've never done anything even remotely close to that, you know, and I'm like, and now he's all right, you know. you didn't think it was that serious no I'm stuttering stammer I don't know what the fucks

I mean he's got no issues with me but he knows this kid's a frat he knew it somehow he knew and so it turns out that he was right you know and I I would never want to kill somebody but I'd often talk god I wish I just came around the corners a couple minutes later because I think I think you would have just done it

you know and of course I said my infinite wisdom and smart ass in me I said well why don't you at least get him out of the car, why I put the blood and broken glass in the car? Because he's sitting in the back seat of the car. He wants to just go right through the back window, just in the back of the head and be done with it. And, you know, this guy's driving a brand new Hummer, you know, his house. They lived, well, the older brother, the one that was in the mafia, his house I was never actually at, but the younger brother lived two blocks from John Gotti's house. I mean, nice, in Queens,

you know, and, you know, they weren't ultra-fluing. on it but you know one's driving a Hummer the other one's driving I think Beamer you know and but they had other cars too and so anyways I'm going back and forth to New York and I've always got so I hire I replaced Danny with Roger and the deal I made with Danny was I said listen oh I left out a couple things about the scumbag number one besides turning me in I didn't know this right away it took me a figure it out he found my safe in the house clean that thing out dope money everything stole televisions xbox i forget everything he stole out of my house what he did the little bastard went down in the basement and you know they had the outside doors to get into the basement right and unlocked

it you know i'm not down there i'm not going to check that a little bastard which like your other somebody that unlocked the screen door right the sliding glass door sliding glass door yeah yeah so so this little prick and and worse than that you know and my dad is you know my dad's my dad he's my best friend i you know love him more than anything on the planet and he goes my dad always my mom always carried or had a little like a vinyl lunch bag cooler type thing she used to pack my dad a lunch every day right and except for Fridays Fridays he would eat out but during the week he preferred so anyways he took a thousand dollar deposit on a car and he stuck it in a little pocket like on the front of this cooler and then he even stole for my dad took a thousand dollars from him

i mean i wanted to kill him for that a thousand dollar what cash oh okay a thousand dollar car cash yeah deposit on a car oh my dad was so mad and the little bastard went right through the office into the detail shop grabbed two of my big screen TVs and went running out the door with him through him in a car and took off you know this was after right parted ways with him and you and you And even when we parted, I was trying to be nice. I said, listen, I know you're a rat. I know, you know, you know, I said, let's, and I told him, I said, you know, you don't even realize, but you had a gun to the back of your head. You didn't even know it.

I saved your life, you little prick. And I said, I'm still going to give you dope every day, but you need not testify against me and you need to keep my name out of your mouth. Oh, I promise, I promise. None of that was going to happen. No, I. And I knew better... You're delusional. Exactly.

At that point, I'm thinking, what can I do? Right. So I hire his buddy, Roger, to take his place. And we're coming back from New York City, and I told Roger, I said, don't you ever tell him where we are? Don't you ever sell him dope? Nothing.

Turns out Roger's on his phone, texting him. Oh, well, we were here, we were there, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's when we got popped. The police, I'm asleep. I'm in the backseat of the car laying on the back seat. And I'll never forget this old man got the back door open. And he's got a gun and the fucker's shaking like this.

We're Sturgis. Where's Sturgis? Whoa, you know, I had a blanket. I mean, I'm like trying to get my hands out. And I'm like, don't shoot me, you dumb ass. I said, you know, what's going on? Now, the cool thing is, if there is a cool thing. Who is the old man?

Like a D-EA agent or a cop? No, these are local Delhi cops. Okay. These idiots go from Delhi to a town called Shedankan. Now, Shadankan's in Ulster County. Delhye's in Delaware County. They go to Shandank, and that's where they pull me over. The local judge wouldn't sign the warrant because he's a family friend

and didn't believe that I would get involved with something. No way, Jimmy said to that. No, no. I'm not signing a warrant. So they get a new judge in another town. This kid just became a judge. He was actually my elementary school principal's kid. and imagine this way back in fifth grade only time in school I fucked up I used to spend all day

at the principal's office I'd come to school go to his office my desk was in his office for all the fifth grade I had a teacher missus house I couldn't stand every Friday he would go where my mom worked and have lunch and give a report on me anyway so his kids the one that signed the warrant but it was so generic they could have came here and searched this house right so everything they found they couldn't use and all they found was the shit that I gave the two moron they had I think 46 bags total that was all they found right there was 2,000 bags in that armor all bottle in the back of the car my father wanted to kill me when you found out police had the car for three days my dad picked it up dope was still there okay I mean I didn't

tell him right for it I dad by the way make sure that there's still no you know yeah you just pick the car up for me and so so mistake number one was the bad warrants they had you know again, a New York City phone book, you know, a stack full of shit, but they didn't have one clear picture, showing me giving dope to somebody or me getting, you know, collecting money. They had nothing. All they had was pictures of, you know, different people coming and going or me meeting people or other people, mostly other people meeting people, but they did, you know, they were focused on me.

So anyways, they arrest us and they put us in a Delaware County jail. Well, if you arrest somebody in Ulster County, then you take them to Ulster County jail. You don't take them to Delaware. So they gave me a public defender, and he comes in and he says, I'm assigned to your case, but it doesn't matter. I said, what do you mean it doesn't matter? You know, I'm in jail. I got a $100,000 bond.

What do you mean? It matters to me, and he goes, no, you don't understand. They got you in the wrong kind. They're going to have to let you go. So this is on, I don't know, I'm going to say like a Monday, whatever. No, excuse me, because on Friday. On Monday morning, they round the day. three of us up and they had us in basically solitary confinement. I'm in a cell by myself

away from everybody and they had three cells. One of us was in each, each cell. I don't remember coming out of the cell. I just left the whole time I was there. I don't even remember. I basically don't remember. I remember giving the guard at the front a hard time. He was a real fat douchebag. And I remember when I left, left there, I told him, I said, you better hope I never catch you on the road, you fat piece of shit, or on the street, you fat piece of shit. You know, are you threatening me? I said, no, it's a promise. whatever. I mean, I was a real dick to him, but he deserved it because he was an ass. So now, so now they

re-arrest us and take us to Ulster County. When we get there, the judge is like, why is his bill so high? And these guys, there are two guys that were with me. There's just 20 minds of 100. Right. Well, they're cooperating it. Right. Roger's trying to tell me he didn't cooperate. Meanwhile, you know, there's a half wall. I can hear you, dumbass.

Right. You know, and, you know, he sang like, but they wanted me you know they and and this is how stupid they were and i did but i told the cop i said you know again this is just local cops i said i'm not cooperating in anyway you can go yourself i'm not giving you any names or anything he said we don't care we got and this was his words al chapo of the northeast and i'm like what you know i mean i was selling some dope but i wasn't you know nowhere's near and these dummies never tried to go higher than me.

Right. You know, thank God they didn't get the DEA involved because you know they would have been. And I mean, I would have never gave them up. But I could sit here right now and tell you exactly

how dope gets from where it starts all the way to New York City, you know, in a drug addict's hand. I mean, it's not that complicated. You know, a lot of it comes down to money. But, you know, thank God they never asked. D.A. never got involved or anything.

So they take me to the county jail in Ulster County, and a couple weird things happened. I spent the first three days in medical there because I couldn't have my opioid. I mean, I'm on a heavy-duty painkiller. Now I can't have it. Now I'm going through withdrawals. So they put me in the medical unit,

and for like three days, the guards were raising hell with us because New Year's Eve came and I'm leading and singing we're singing I'll be home for Christmas I just don't know what year because the cops promised me and he said this I promise you you're getting a minimum 10 but you're probably going to end up with more like 20 25 I'm 57 years old okay right at that time right at that time I'm thinking you know you might as well say that's a life sentence to me you know if you get 15 20 years you know

They're not going to take care of you in prison. No. So anyways, I don't know why I was singing and happy. But then they moved me up on a regular, like I was telling you earlier, we were talking, what they called the Supermax 2000. And I think the second day there, I suddenly got sick. I went back in my cell like lunchtime. And I don't, I kind of remember, but another guy came running in and he went running out.

And he's like, man, you got to do something. He's sick, sick. So he took me to the hospital. I guess I had some kind of cardiac thing. I spent a week in the hospital and the guards were all cool they cuffed me like when the new guard was coming

as soon as a new guy come in he takes the cuffs back off so I was never cuffed except for one guard one night and I had the nurses bringing me ice cream all night long can I get another ice cream you know except again with the one guard you got your own TV it was great for a week I was there and a lot of things that I've heard on a lot of your things

it's kind of weird because, you know, even though I was only there for a short amount of time, it was like, you know, the black guys have their TV, the white guys have their TV. And there was a little bit of intermingling, but not much, you know, not what you would think in a county jail. And I remember, you know, the one black kid had a smart mouth and his people, you know, they blocked off one of the cells so that, you know, the CEO couldn't see and take a in and beat the living. I mean, this kid comes out with blood running down. I mean, nobody says anything. You know, I mean, the CEO couldn't have missed it, but, you know, I guess that's that's what they did. But I left out a couple of things. I'm going to go back to the car

wholesaling days, because that's important to this part. Back in the day, you could, in Florida, you could write a draft. And what I mean by that is, let's say you went to a new car store. and like my god rest of soul Danny used to buy everything out of a Cadillac store and you bought $50,000 worth the cars but they didn't have titles for them you'd write oh great you don't have to perfect

there's a draft for $50,000 and what that meant was you didn't have to pay for these cars until the titles came in now when the title came in they might say oh we only got two of them so you know you got to make $34,000 or $13,000 or whatever

good so now you go back up give them a check or we're going to put your draft in but you had two or three days so everybody's floating money right now up north with the amount of money I'm spending shipping cars down here especially with rich I mean we're I can remember Tuesday nights we had to have

200,000 to cover the checks we wrote had to sell that much in cars I think they call it kiting and at some point along the way I checked for like 25 grand never went through i ended up getting charged for that in pennsylvania went on probation that was you know way back in the day and i thought i had paid everything off and they kept saying you

got a hold it was 30 years ago i never dreamt that it was son of a bitch i'm happy because they take me to court by two co-defendants they had to let them go because they only have 10 days to get you in front of a judge they didn't take them because they couldn't take me because I was in the hospital right so they kicked them loose and they're like gonna do the same with him they take me up and okay you know the but you have a hold I have a hold so you know all the guys in the block are laughing and I come back in the hold is for his check from 30 years ago and son of a bitch and Matt you this is the most incredible thing so now they put me they all right everybody says

they're not going to come get you. There's no way in guys' creation they're going to come here. Right. People don't realize that, that if you have a, you could have a warrant out of Florida and you could be in New York. And if Florida says, this is stupid, like this is such a minor thing. We're not going to spend the money to fly this guy out or to go pick him up and drive him back. We're not going to spend several thousand dollars to get him back on something that's going to be quashed. And most likely because it's so old.

Right. But guess what? Right. They actually come and get you. Here's some bad luck. I mean, I've had a lot of good luck to this, but the bad luck is, same judge is still on the bench 30 years later. And he's like, oh, he's in jail in the neighboring state.

We'll go get them. Right. And so they can hold you 10 days. If they don't come within 10 days, then they cut you loose. So I'm on day nine in the morning. Start just pack it up, like, you know, 5 o'clock in the morning. And they picked me up when we stopped going across Pennsylvania at McDonald's. We got a big Mac French fries.

trying to eat that with handcuffs on and a belt and all that that was not fun but I get about three quarters of the way through it all of a sudden I start having chest pain I'm thinking it's indigestion well no it wasn't I had some kind of cardiac event in the back of a cop car which ended up working to my advantage

they took me to the hospital and then they transferred me from one hospital to the Butler Hospital which is the town I was actually headed to but that was where the bigger home we were almost there to the bigger hospital and not only there short time and the cop that brought me he comes in he goes oh it's your lucky day and he goes well kinder and I said what do you mean by kind he said well the bad part is you're here the good part is you're free and he takes the handcuffs off and I said what's up he's like and you know

I figured it out in two seconds they didn't want to be responsible for the medical bill right you know they're not going to cost us money so call probation whenever you get out you know and and so I did and they made some stupid arrangement 50 hours a month or something I give them the pay it off which will take a hundred years but but yeah so so so so Danny yeah he broke in stole all that shit stole from my father and I said that you know I shouldn't say it but I if I ever get a chance I I think that you know a baseball bat could fall out of my hand and hit one of his knees or something he's how long how long ago how long ago was this six years ago six years ago six seven years yeah six seven yeah so I'm

63 so yeah about six years ago I haven't forgotten I haven't forgotten you know and you're holding resentment oh you know it's not good you got to let that go I can't that's you know I mean you think about it and I guess you know I've heard you and a lot of the people say you know it's it's human nature you know self-preservation I'm going to talk that's not how I was brought up you know what I mean I just, I couldn't. And, you know, they didn't really come to me and ask. Like I said, the DA had, I think had the DEA have known what the fuck was going on, they certainly would have wanted to gotten involved.

But again, I had a rookie cop, warrants that were absolutely no good. The search warrants were absolutely no good. The cop didn't know what he was doing. The warrants were no good. I mean, the whole thing was just a, you know, it was a mess. So they let you go, but they didn't drop the charges. not yet okay I mean people don't realize

you know you have to understand people don't everybody follows like they think oh they let him go they dropped their no no they drop the fact that he they can't hold him on no bond or or any bond they have to let you go on your own recognizance saying hey you promise to show back up right

and you go of course I do and of course I did and I went to court one time and my lawyer called me and he said, listen, they're offering you a deal. I don't think you should take it because I want to sue them. But it's up to you ultimately. And I said, what's the deal? The deal is you take a misdemeanor conviction, no felony, just a misdemeanor conviction, pay $700 and they'll give you a year to pay it.

And that's it. You're done. charges are gone there is no more I'm like sign me to up right you know why I want to sue them because everything they do and I'm thinking well

yeah that'd be great but you know what I did it I can't say I didn't do it right the fact that they this isn't a wrongful arrest right well it wasn't wrongful it was just the only illegal one right and so at the end of the day

you know I don't feel comfortable really going after them you know and so believe it or not i i that's what i ended up with out of that so and i remember sitting at the cop station that night and and the cops telling me they guaranteed me i guarantee you you know you're first they started talking 25 years and then they the older cop he's like well if you get real real lucky you might get 10 or 15 you know so I ended up with none and what happened to the 2000 bags that your dad had in the back of the

it got picked up when I got out and and you'd flush it down the toilet because you thought that I'm done with this it's the right thing to do well yeah that's yeah that's a good story we'll go with that I was going to say I buried it in the backyard but I was going to I was scared the animals could get into it I love animals

so it it's found a new home, you know, I'll just leave it that way if I knew home. My father could have killed me when he found out that you, I could, I said, if the dummies didn't find it in three days with the car and dogs, you think they're going to wait until my dad picks it up and then go, well, let's arrest this, you know, at the time, 79-year-old man or whatever. You know, I can't believe you did that to me. I said, Dad, I love you.

I'm sorry, but, you know, I mean, a lot of money. I mean, if somebody has to go down for this, dad, you're already 80. I mean. God, you know, it was. And, you know, so poor Savannah ended up dead, you know, and Leah, I don't know what happened with her. She was a real fruit cup. And I left this part out, too, in the interim of going back and forth between the two of them. Leah marries this guy.

Tried to tell me that, you know, they were just, and I come to her house and I'm like, oh, what's this bright and room cup? and what's, you know, what's this and what's that? You know, and meanwhile, she's giving me head and I'm fine, you know, she's like, oh, oh, my dad got married. And you kept the stuff? Well, yeah, he told me to hold on to it.

I mean, stupid, you know, so I knew and finally she admitted to her husband, I felt bad for his poor guy, you know. Not bad enough to get a bloodshot from his wife. Well, you got to have, it's a balance. Well, here's the worst part. Of everything I did with her, imagine this. And I told the guy, I said, you know, I don't want you to ever end up with this bitch again.

So I want to make sure you understand how dirty she did do you. And he's like, there's more? Well, yeah. Remember when you got married? Of course I remember when I got. You know the honeymoon suite you had at the Hampton Hotel? Well, yeah. How'd you know we had?

How did you know we had a hotel suite of the team? Well, you know, I was there for a couple hours with her before you guys got married the night. So this bitch is going to marry this guy and she's only, you know, two hours before they got married. Who was the guy? No, just some Schmo. Some Schmo from, yeah, his name is Vinny from Long Island. And that's where she was from. She was from Long Island.

A Vinny from Long Island? Yeah, can you imagine? Yeah, Vinny from Long Island. That's crazy. That's so unique. Probably people, you probably just, you might as well give him his full name. You probably just, I mean, people know exactly Vinny from Long Island. I know him.

Yeah, right? We had a guy in jail with me, not when I was on the other side, but he's in jail with me. And they call him Nikki Bats. Now, this is a white guy. Nicky's probably 30 years old. His story is that when he was a child, his father molested him and his brother. The brother won't deny or confirm it. He won't go either way.

Nikki claims that his father tried to molest his son. And here's where the bat's part comes in. He took a baseball bat and beat his father to death with a baseball bat. So he's in, needless to say, for murder. And when you meet Nicky, come in the block. Hey, what are you in for? And they didn't have to ask me Believe it or not

These schmucks had this When they It is kind of crazy Because of the small town cops They blew this way out of proportion Like I said they acted like they Some places they actually said They captured El Choppel of the Northeast

Right And but they These dummies Had it in the New York Post And some other papers So the guys when I hit sublocked They actually knew who the fuck I was And the guys like

This man makes no sense. There's just other drugs. He said, just makes no sense. There was 46 bags. All right. How, you know, I said, well, they missed some. And he said, well, they still might find it. You know, where's the cars? Well, they told it, you know. And they never did it. But, but anyway, so Nikki ran the, I guess you would call it white guys TV. And the motherfucker, all he wanted to watch was the old movies. And I can't remember what it called AMC movies, you know, I think. you know so the black guys either watched sports which i like for the most part or they had to watch like Oprah all the brothers would be gathered around the TV they'd be like huddled and it was kind of weird and not weird i guess that was how their their chain of command or whatever they had two

older guys and they controlled the TV that was it whatever those guys wanted to watch that's what all the black people were watching now if you were white and wanted to watch the black TV you could do it but you couldn't do it at the TV you know you had to be yeah a certain distance away when we ate everybody had and I didn't know this you know everybody had an assigned place to eat I get there I you know it was this a slot but you know and I go oh you can't sit there yeah fucking me I can't sit in your spot yeah so you know and and the other thing that I learned very quickly. My neighbor, I wish I could remember his name. And this doesn't make any sense to me, Matt. But here's a kid, clean cut. And as a man, I'll even say, you know, good looking 30-something white kid.

You could tell he was, I think Irish, you know, I forget his name, but he would lead you to believe he was Irish. Real clean cut, no tats, nothing. He'd already been to prison twice. And he was, what do you call it, smashing grab and he would he would hit like the convenience stores and he'd be in and out in less than two minutes used to dress like a ninja he would all black and put black on his face but he had the black clothes when he got busted the reason he was in with me these dummies when they shut the trunk part of their shirts or pants you know the black ninja shit was hanging out the trunk and it was flapping covering the tag that's why they got pulled over and of course they opened the trunk and here's a cigarette, you know, 40 cartons of cigarettes, and they just had a robbery.

Mysteriously, imagine this. There was 40 cartons of cigarettes sold, and that's exactly how many they had. So, but here's this kid, and I use, I'm going to use the milk. So I was giving him my milk every meal. And little did I know after, you know, one day he was medical or something. I gave it somebody else. And I'm like, oh, here, here's some cookies. And here's this.

And here, you know, so I'm getting all kinds of free commissary shit for, for my, my milk that was free to me. Yeah. You know, I didn't realize, you know, the trading shit that goes on. And, I mean, it was only a couple of days before I had connoisseur. So I had, you know, and then when I got the money on my account, then I could actually eat like a human being again. You know, not like a human being, but, you know, and I mean, the hamburgers were okay. The chicken wings were okay.

You know, you felt more, you could have a soda instead of drinking the whatever it is, Kool-Aid or whatever the shit is. Yeah, that was just some nasty shit. And I say nasty shit, but I remember after a lot of. being there a couple days finding an extra mug so I could get two cups so I had something to drink for you know later on or whatever but that and and I don't know to this day I don't know how they did it I mean I had a couple of stories told from people that the one guy said and when you went to visitation so you're sitting

there I'm sitting here okay and there's a table about this high you're allowed to shake hands and and like a hug at the end of the visit so my my one neighbor he said that his dad would bring him weed and a lighter and when he hugged him he would stick it down between his jumpsuit and his t-shirt so he'd have his t-shirt you know and they didn't strip search they'd have you drop your jumpsuit you know so this shit right his t-shirt was tucked into his underwear so that's right so we could put it in his t-shirt excuse me put it in his t-shirt so that's how that's how he claimed he got it in but But every night you would go near the shower, which was right ironically behind where the COs sat, you could smell weed.

And I'm like, how the fuck are they getting it in here? I mean, I really was curious how they were doing it. I mean, I wasn't going to. Might have been just a CO bringing it in. You'd be shocked. I mean, you'd be shocked what the COs will bring in because. Really? Yeah.

The one CO that we had was really cool. He's like, you know, he thought that I was in there for the pill. And I'm like, you know, because he knew I was sick, you know, dope sick and stuff. And I said, no, I said, I'm in here. Oh, my God, you get off the hair. I said, I'm not on, I'm on, you know, I'm on dilaudits that's prescribed from a doctor. And I said, but I'm still the same shit. You know, it's just like going through withdrawals when you don't have them.

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because they knew that quote I mean they knew not only did they know what I say they knew exactly what I told the cops you know like I'm not giving nobody upload they knew that well you can get the Freedom of Information Act or they can just have a lawyer request a copy of like hey you know like what you say

well the cops are going to write down what you say they're going to write right up an affidavit or something no it's just a police report like you know he stated this he stated that he stated this like they'll have like a five page or 10 or 20 page where they've written it out unless they've no shit yeah i mean that that's typically what happens unless they've got a recording in which case they could get a transcript well that because the the older brother you know he got a hold of me shortly after i got out yeah you need anything but it was just overly nice and i was like oh i'm good you know i'm

good and he's like well you know you're i forget stand up or say i and i i was honest i said you know what I like walking around breathing and he kind of snickered and I said you know I know I know how that shit works you know I'm not a fool and I I honestly think that they would you know I think that if you those are the kind of people if you didn't run your mouth you wouldn't be walking around anymore you know that's that's why when I got in there I'm not going to say oh yeah well yeah I know how they did this and you know you know you know right I'm not giving up any of those secrets you know other like I said it all comes down to money so then imagine Imagine this. After all that, I get out. I'm in Butler, Pennsylvania. That's cold as fuck.

All I had was a thin jacket. I had $125, $140 on the console. They give you a credit card back with your money. Not gate money. This was my money. I remember you saying, I didn't get no gate money. They didn't give it to me. It was my money, but it's on a card. and it worked just like a prepaid credit card thing you know so i went i found a little first store across the street and i got a south pole i get that and i got to wait for a bus to get out of town but take the bus from butler to pittsburgh which is i don't know 45 minutes maybe away if that i get to the bus station in pittsburgh and i go outside because i want a cigarette i hadn't had a cigarette you know and i was only locked up like three weeks you know total and the only reason i didn't get That was because I knew I had to hold.

You know, why pay a bond when I know that I'm just going to go here anyways? And you had the respiratory thing that you just got out of the hospital for, so obviously a cigarette seems like a good idea. Well, of course it is, yeah, of course. So I get to the bus station in Pittsburgh, and I meet this girl, imagine that, and she's like, I forget what it was that she's seen or whatever, but somehow she knew that I had just gotten out of jail. And she's, I got something for you. And I'm thinking, oh boy, a blowjob, but that wasn't it.

She had some weed, and I've never been, you know, huge consumer a pot. But I went outside, and the shit that these people have today is just incredible. I hit this thing like three times. I get on a bus from Pittsburgh. I don't remember to ride Spurwick City. Right. None of it. I was just shot out.

And I finally get back up. My parents are so mad. And I didn't leave out a couple things. My mom, Christmas Day, crying. You're going to kill somebody, son. You've got to stop. And I said, I'm going to quit soon. I really had it in my head I was going to quit on the first.

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the customers to sell to. And I just want a couple grand a week. Right. Now, what would make you pay me or why I thought you would pay me? I don't know. But I really did have it. My head, I was going to quit on the first of the year and I got popped on the 29th of December like two days and I you know I had somebody in place ready to take it over and everything now Roger the guy that was the idiot that texted you know God rest his soul too I guess he's passed away too but he the thing that's the worst thing is to be a liar this fucker keeps trying to tell me he didn't run his mouth well like I said there's a half wall I can hear you're dumb ass I can hear what you're telling So I get after I get out they'd already been out a week or two and so I get back up to Oneonta

And son of a bitch if I don't see him walking down the street and it was raining or whatever Hey hop in the truck. I'll give you a ride So he gets in the truck bang I hit him and broke his glasses cut his eye and shit open the door through him out Right on the side of the street that's what you get for being a rat motherfucker Yeah, that could have gone wrong too you they could have come and picked you up for that there's a federal charge if you if you if you strike like a if you if you actually physically harm someone that cooperated against you you can get a federal charge and go to prison it's like a five-year mandatory minimum or minimum mandatory sorry i'm just in dire hope that there's a statute of limitations on it because it's been sure pretty much everything's about a three-year statute of limitations yeah and we're at six seven years so and he would have already gone straight to him if he was going to do anything he would have gone straight to i had no idea that i i mean i knew that i could catch a charge for it but i remember telling him when i you know threw him out it might be three to five might be three but i mean i'm saying might be a three year mandatory minimum and that's the federal feds get in charge or getting get involved yeah i i figured

the worst case that you know state was going to come and say hey you know well i mean the feds were going to be involved when your thing they would have come in from the as soon as the right off the rip as soon as the state thing fell apart usually usually something state falls apart and the state will go and be like listen we fucked up here was the problem boom boom boom and they'll go to the feds and say here's what we got the feds will come in just indict you on that knowing that a federal judge isn't going to throw any of that out a federal judge will be like oh no all of that's including oh no no no but yeah that's state law you're right but we're the federal government we're picking up this case we're going to charge you and we're going to go ahead and we'll we'll try you if you want to go to trial we'll try you but really

in federal court all we need is these two guys to get on the stand and say they were buying the drugs from you the drugs that they clearly found and we'll see if a jury will fall for it and the truth is if you're just sitting at that table in a federal court they already think you're guilty let alone these two guys getting on the stand and then they actually found oh now so usually usually you can get a couple of guys just get on the stand and say we were selling drugs they didn't catch us with the drugs but we were selling drugs we've been indicted but the guy we were buying from is this guy they indict you and you can be sitting there going I wasn't caught with drugs they weren't called with drugs nobody was caught with drugs

and you're going to indict me on a drug charge what they found was I think it was Roger's jacket or something they found and these two dummies it was shit that I had given them you know what I mean

and I'm thinking why why did I give it to them why didn't I just give them a bag or two each so they could do it and you know and then give them the rest of we got home but it is what it is I got lucky

I got very lucky I mean not just once Yeah, multiple times. What are you doing now? What are you doing now? Well, we have my buddy that owns a toll company. I help him. I'm so like a little kid.

You know, I like playing with the trucks and stuff. I sell some cars for him and whatnot. And going through a lot of hell, I've got some health issues. I need to get back up to New York to a specialist. My mother was diagnosed with cancer right before Christmas. Jesus. And here's the bad luck thing. I go to New York.

I had a GMC pickup truck. I tried. I used the auto train. The dog and I rode the train from Sanford to Lowerford, where Lorton, Virginia, which is Washington, D.C. drove the rest of the way up like six hours. It was great. It was great.

And it was cheap as hell. I mean, it usually isn't, but it was when we went. Anyways, and we get up there, and a buddy of mine has a couple cars he needs brought back to Florida. And I said, well, I bought a Cadillac. I'll take that back, and there's a pickup truck I'm going to buy.

I'll buy the truck, bring back a two-car trailer, and I'll bring your cars back. Okay, so we make a deal. I get back to Florida. I buy a truck on Friday, from Fred. Buy the truck Friday. I'll get it registered on Saturday and everything, and we left. I'm going to guess Saturday night, Sunday morning. Monday afternoon at Fredericksburg, Virginia, we're going down a hill, a hill, a hill.

right rear tire blows trailer goes into a skid ends up breaking the trailer hitch the trailer ends up underneath the truck fucks the frame up snaps the drive shaft the back wheels at a truck around the front of the trail I mean it was a mess didn't hit anything else just you know my truck has now totaled I've owned it two days it's gone trailer's still okay a couple little marks on it but really no big deal Fred's trailer that I borrowed so now instead of rent me a U-Haul pickup that I could have just used my slider thing, you know, what they call a pinnall hooks. But I had it. And now U-Haul actually rents, it used to be they had a fixed ball that was welded. Right. That's all you could haul is shit that, you know, they had the roll-sized

ball almost. Now you can put any slider in in tow. And they didn't tell me that. So I ended up with this van, the little smallest van they had, it was like 400 bucks just to get to my parent's house. Get there. Drop that off. My pickup, I had taken up to get painted. I said to the guy in the body shop, I said, listen, just get it so I can use it to go to Virginia and get this trailer. It's okay. And I said, make sure the hitch is, you know, really secure because I'm bringing back this trailer. It's a two-car trailer that's heavy as fuck. So, okay. We get to Fredericksburg on Friday night. The lights don't work. So the dog and I go get a motel room. and on the way the lights did start working but i'm like you know what i'm tired we're gonna stay

here so anyways we get up on saturday and going up to jersey turnpike the tractor trailer i think raised it a little bit and then there was bumps and well anyways the trailer ended up doing the same shit boom boom boom boom ended up jackknifed truck back of the truck up on guardrails the trailer underneath the guardrails uh i had a brand new jack that was on the nose of the trailer that I ended up picking up two days later, down by the water. I couldn't believe I found it, and some body parts, brand new parts I had bought that had ejected from the truck or trailer. Now I've totaled the second truck out in nine days.

Now I get a brand new Ford diesel pickup in upstate New York, but I didn't buy it. I rented it from Enterprise. It's 600 miles on it. I go get the trailer for the third time. and the tow company had fucked up one of the tires on it and I forget what else but anyways I it was a real cluster fuck they wouldn't let me take it because oh you got to take the truck and the trail at the same time I said I'm taking the truck this total you know it's

going to co-part they'll come get it well it's a real douchebags so I ended up having to spend a couple nights down there and of course you know a Newark New Jersey right across the river from New York City rooms are dirt cheap there you know it was only like 200 a night to state of Howard Johnson's yeah I wasn't happy and so I finally ended up getting these cars brought them back down here I get back to Daytona and I'm supposed to take the truck back to New York I turned a corner of Daytona every light on the dash comes on the truck's got 3,600 miles on it and died done a month later I was still getting text from the Ford store they couldn't figure out what was wrong with it their

computer wouldn't match up to the truck computer so unfortunately the good thing is my mother is now cancer-free. That's the good thing. The bad thing is I've got my side's like puffed up. I got a liver thing. I've got to get up to the doctors. And I mentioned a little bit about this, but in 19, August 23rd of 19, I'm riding back from our tow company to my house. I'm on my Harley. I'm sitting at a red light at Bellevue. Yeah, Bellevue and Nova Road in Daytona. I'm in the middle lane of Nova Road. And this asshole lift driver rear ends me. Daytona Beach cop was sitting in a driveway of the 7-Eleven getting ready to pull out. Watches the whole thing happened. Right. He thought I was dead. He called in as a probable fatality.

Figured the guy was doing at least 40. I didn't hit me in a rear-end you on a Harley-no helmet. Blue seven or eight discs in my neck, broke my left foot. I was in a boot on crutches for six months. And my right hip and got my short-term memory. I mean, my long-term memory is fine. I can remember shit from when I was a kid, but sometimes you tell me something in 12 minutes from now, I can't remember it. I guess it bruised my brain. So now, Florida law works this way. If you get hit by a lift driver, if they have a passenger in a car, you can get this much. If they don't have, or excuse me, if you're a passenger, you can get this much. In my case, the guy needed to be on the app. Well, when he gets out of the car, the first thing he tells the Daytona Beach cop,

oh my God, I'm so sorry. I was looking at my phone to see if somebody needed a ride. And then Lyft came back and said, well, we don't think he was on the app, so we don't think we should have to pay. So my attorney said that July 17th, we were supposed to go to court in just a couple weeks. Now they gave them another continuance and on the grounds that they want to depose the cop and the EMS personnel

and they also want me to go to their doctor. I said, wait a minute. They've had four years to do this. Why are we waiting? And my lawyer went and argued but the judge saw it lifts way. Right. I'll tell everybody boycott those bastards. Don't get a lift ride. That's crazy. I mean

that's really put me in a bad spot. I lost that whole deal going up with my mother and stuff was it was thousands literally it was i forget i think i quit counting at 12 grand that i was out gone never you know never going to see that again and it's been rough and then i lost my home to two hurricanes last year gone i mean there's and i don't know if you if you realize it or not but being that you've been in the mortgage business I would think you would and I don't know how how long it was when you dealt with insurance here but if you go by homeowners insurance in Florida it's so expensive now if you have what do we

figure more than like 18 years to pay on your house it's like paying a double mortgage so if you go over 18 years the insurance company's still ahead if you go under 18 years, yeah, under 18 years and have a claim, then you might be okay. But in other words, it's like having a second mortgage. The insurance is so expensive. That's why a lot of people don't have it, especially living in Daytona. You know what I mean? You go to the water. You know, it's ridiculous. There was a lady from Naples. Her house, I think, was value at like, say, 250. You know, it wasn't any million-dollar home or something. and her insurance was $4,200 a month.

I said, how do she afford that? That's ridiculous. You know, three, four years that she could pay for a house. Right. And ladies are like, I don't know, but that's what she's paying. I mean, it makes no sense to me. You know, and it's the same thing like back with my situation with Lyft. The guy only had a car because of Lyft, so I figured they're responsible anyways because he had a, it was a Hertz rental car.

Well, Hertz went out of business. So they already put 10,000 in. State Farm put money in, and I'm not sure how they're, you know, if that's Hertz's insurance company or his insurance, I don't, I'm always positive how that happened. Probably his insurance, well, anyway. Yeah, so State Farm did put some money in, you know, so the lawyer's collected some, but all that he's collected is already gone, you know,

for hospital bills and stuff. And we went to mediation last August, and that didn't, that didn't pan out. And I did leave the end of the whole thing. When I got out in New York, imagine this. I go in the car business with somebody else in New York. And I get another Bogelender called Credit Acceptance Corporation. And their deal used to be used to have to pay like $10,000 or $20,000. And you had to go to their school in Chicago and this and that.

Well, they cut all that out. But you still have to have, I forget the terminology they used. But you had to have pool. you had to have the initial pool of 200 deals and once you hit that 200 mark you get a check for that then you start getting quarterly checks okay you get to 175 cars and it becomes tougher

to get them to approve them you know they start getting a little but we got to 178 cars or no excuse i think about 187 13 short and his wife god rest his soul she's passed to her and i had a disagreement i'll put it that way and we had a parting away and i came back to florida under the assumption that i get paid my dad and and and him are still friends too we still talk but he swears uphill and downhill and they got to the 200 cac said oh you had too many deals that didn't pay so you don't get a check bullshit that you know when the guy was here to sell me on your deal the smallest check anybody got was 1618,000 so again I had you know another thing where

I thought dumped a bunch of time and energy into something that just didn't pay well right well right and I'm you know I'm looking at as as as retirement money you know what I mean so yeah it's been rough it's as I mean now it's I went from the perivial feast of famine you know backwards and I'm not getting any younger you know so yeah it's it's tough that's and I'm hoping that that lift you know ends up having to pay out and that takes care of me because you know and now I'm renting not owning

and and you know I assumed that this was going to be done my lawyer swore up hill and downhill July that's it that's it but I was going to put matter of fact one of my friends was like oh you need to put one of those what they call it go fund me things or something I said I can't beg people for money you know I people are going to go you got money we know you what you do is all you know but I said you know

you start thinking about it and and I've been lucky that I didn't go to prison but how much money that should have been mine isn't mine the drug money I'm not going to say, you know, that's, most of that ended up going back out, you know, when girls around, you know, stupid shit that I did. And, you know, you get used to, and I didn't understand this until recently. You take, let's say, an NBA basketball player

that makes, you know, not a high-end, but let's just say a lower-end guy that's making $4 million a year. and he plays for 10 years he retires in two years half of those guys are broke i don't understand you know because they came out of the hood and they didn't have shit and then they they end up you know they they they make all that money but they spend it faster than they make it i think because you think it's always because if you think it's going to always come yeah you when you make easy money you spend it very quickly thinking oh i can always make more but you know you know you had a couple of good runs doesn't mean it's going to last your whole lifetime doesn't

you mean your money's always going to come easy to you right which is kind of like you know me and this whole thing is that you know I have these conversations with my wife I'm like yeah listen we do this and do this and do this and you know it's like I'm I'm willing to sacrifice I'm willing to I'm willing to go you know like when my lease is up here at some point like I figure we'll sign on the lease but at some point I said next thing we do when I get off probation we got to find some place and we got to we got to buy someplace and i'm like and i don't give a shit if it's a single wide trailer that's from 1930 single wide trailer on a piece of land that i can slowly build on or slowly it has to be it has to be a situation that i can get paid

off by the time i'm 65 or 70 because the truth is i don't have any retirement like i don't know what social i'll probably get the minimum social security because i've always worked for myself I've always paid taxes, but paying... Oh, you did, you were smart enough to do that. Well, yeah, I paid my, like, so if you own, but I've also almost always worked for myself. Right. So it's not like I paid a ton of money into Social Security or anything. So it's not like I'm getting a big check, like you're going to get the maximum Social Security, which is still nothing.

Right. Because Social Security is based on you becoming 65 or 67 years old and owning your own home. Right. I don't own my own home. So it's the American dream. if you plugged into the American dream. But if you've been a derelict and a scumbag your whole life like I have and been in and out of prison, well, not in and out, in prison and back out. And, you know, not done the right thing with your money, then guess what?

When you get to be 67 years old and go to retire, you're fucked. You're fucked. And nobody has any sympathy for you because they're like, you were a douchebag your whole life. And, you know, you had, you had all the fun and this and that. And, you know, and that's how, you know, I kind of look at it that way. But by the same token, you know, I've done a lot of good things for people too along the way. Oh, listen, I look at it that way. Because I understand that's the society, you know, construct.

Right. But when you're the scumbag, then you look at it. Then you're like, hey, hey, hey, I get it and I hear you. But I have to figure out how to fix this for me. Like, I got to figure out what. do correctly to fix this because i understand yeah tough shit but tough shit doesn't mean anything when you're the guy that has to try and figure out like how long can you work right now i think oh i can work forever no no when you're in your 60s and 70s and already things are slowing down things are

hurting like bro i wake up i take three i'd be proffron like if i don't take them i know it during the day no shit you know i know when my my back hurts and this hurts and your knee and your body aches and you know little things like you already start to know my eyes i have problems with my eyes i have a you know i have a stigmatism and you know my eyes are you know not what's going on and you know i'm forgetful like there's all kinds of shit that's going on the memory is the worst like i said well at least i have an excuse you know i got a bruise you know and i mean i used to be as sharp as attack you tell me something i'm not going to forget right like the proverbial elephant and now like i said i can remember shit from when i was a kid

right but something that maybe happened two days ago i can't remember i'd do that all the time i'm having a conversation now i'll ask i'll ask my wife something twice and she'll go i just told you this and she'll look at me like you're not even paying attention and i'm thinking no i was paying attention i just don't remember what happened three minutes ago i can yeah you it's like that you people want to think that you're like zoned out or you're not listening to you're being a jerk or something it's like right and it's like no

I'm really I just you know my I'm genuinely interested in the conversation I just can't remember that your buddy's name you know you've said 70 names I can't remember any of them so anyway do you remember Rodney though I remember Rodney Dangerfield that guy but you don't remember Gary Tapp but you remember Rodney Dangerfield

but I don't need to know Gary and you know I mean I hope he's still around, but you got to remember at that time. So that's, what do we say, 99, I think Gary was in his 60s at that time. So, you know, if, you know, hopefully he's still alive, but, I mean, he's got to be 85, maybe 90. You know, I mean, my dad's 84, just turned 84. I was going to say, so you know my story, right? Like, you know, when I took off.

So I took off on the room with that chick, Becky. So Becky worked for a law firm in Las Vegas. Rodney Dangerfield was the lawyer she worked for there. Rodney Dangerfield was his lawyer. So he would call up. This was before he died, obviously. He would call up and she said, he sounds just like that. He was like, hey, this is Rodney Dangerfield.

I'm calling for Jimmy. And they'd be like, and she'd be like, okay, hold on. She said he was exactly like he. And I get no respect. Yeah. He was hilarious. And the thing like I, you know, I just always picture Gary, you know, because I remember Rodney Dangerfield doing it with those, those freaking, whatever you call. Elastic, those elastic.

Yeah, you know. Yeah, 1970s. Not latexx. Like leisure pants. I always think it's kind of a leisure suit. There you go. Leisure suit. Polyester.

Yeah. Polyester stretch pants. And enough colors, dude. I, you know, I can remember like peach colored pants with a, you know, a canary yellow shirt or something. And I'm like, are you going to play golf? He was great in Caddyshack and old, was it not old, was it old school? What was the one where he, or no, back to school. Back to school.

He goes back to college. Right, right, right. That's what I was going to say back to school. He was phenomenal and that just funny as hell. That's, you know, and I said, I said, I'm looking through, what do you call it, Brett's credits, you know, for the shit that he's done, the producer that I know. Right. And, of course, like I said, him and Steve did a lot of shit, you know, even up to the TV show getting in.

But they, when we were talking on the phone to the guy, I said, oh, I was looking at your, how did I put it? I think I used a fucked up word like stats or something. And he goes, what do you mean, stats? And I think that's what he'd say. And I said, okay, not stats. I said, you know, the bullshit that they say about people on Google. like, oh, what's in there now?

And I said, well, you know, the guy that claims that and I could be wrong about the numbers, but I don't want to be close, that you were given $7 million for the movie project and you spent maybe two and the guy, you know, was trying to sue you to get money back

and he's like, that guy. You know, it doesn't matter what it costs. You know, I told him how much it was costing him. It doesn't matter what it cost me. Right. And I never thought about it that way. You know, and I mean, he was really quick to say, you know,

And if you think about it, if you tell somebody, Matt, I'm going to make this movie for you, but I need $7 million. If it only costs me a million to make it, well, well. It's the same thing we say about your interest rate. I tell you your interest rate is 12%, but your interest rate is really seven, no, 7.1. It's lower. So I charge you eight, but I get yield spread on the back. Right.

Well, you were the same thing with the F&I with the cars. Right. You were okay with eight. That's bullshit. you said seven point what but you were okay with eight like if you were if if eight was too high or you were not okay with eight you would have said you got to do better than that i'm not paying eight i can't my buddy jimmy can do better i can go to this other place or i'll call my bank you could have done all those things go i'm charging you eight why because i get yield spread between the

seven point one and the eight and new york and in was it 80 you know in the early 80s So you could, I think the max back, I believe it or not, was like 26%, 27%. It was fucking stupid. Yeah, people are complaining about mortgages now that they have. So it's 5%. Five percent, what are you talking about? It used to be 18%. In the 80s, during the savings alone crisis, it was 14, 15, 12%, you know.

But you got somebody with good credit back then. If I remember right, like 18% was what they got. and you know i'd have to fight like hell to get one point on them meanwhile the guy that you know was happy i got him bought you know when because i did some f and i stuff too you know the guy that the guy that you got bought and he's paying you know you got him bought it say 24% which is you know ridiculous but you know you hit him at 27 so you make that spread you know they don't bitch right because they're happy you know it's just like going back to the bold business with it with the cars you know at the car dealership

I used to tell people when they'd come in to buy a car they'd say what all do I need well you do need some documentation you gotta have a water bill I mean there was a couple things that they had to have you had to prove that

you know basically you existed and you know but I used they should tell them you know can you they call and they say can you really tell me what I really really need to qualify and I said yeah running your bathroom

you got a mirror right yeah in the bathroom right yeah yeah well run in there and breathe on it let me know if it fogs up well of course it's going to find okay then you know I can get you done that's and and it wasn't illegal I wasn't I wasn't doing anything wrong you know I mean you're you're sometimes stretching things but you're not I mean I wasn't whiting shit out yeah well same thing when I used to say you know

if you had a pulse you I was gonna I was gonna get you approved right not that not the the thing I just got to walk it now I'm gonna forge a document I'm gonna make sure you get approved right right no I get it the one thing that I didn't understand it I actually have watched it like four times that I wanted to ask you so just so it's clear in my head you got social security numbers from from kids that were under a year old no I went to social security and convince them to issue me social security numbers to children that didn't exist oh the kid didn't even exist didn't even exist so I would go in I'd say hey my daughter here's my birth the birth certificate for my daughter she's 11 months old

And here's her shot record because they need to make sure she still is alive. And then they would go on the computer and they'd go, hold on. They'd pull our name up and they go, oh, wow, you're right. A social security number has never been issued to this 11-month-old, to this person with this date of birth. And they go, okay, and we can tell she's alive, even though you didn't bring the child in, but if she's under 12 months old, you don't have to. Where did you get the birth to give them?

I made the birth certificate. I ordered the security paper. You know, if you make a copy of it, it says void if copied. Right. So you order the security paper. I got a template from my, well, from a real birth certificate. So I had the blank template. So you just run it through.

You use the security paper to print out the blank certificate. You get a shot, a seal. I would get an embossed seal from the South Carolina Vital Statistics Department, whatever. I don't go to South Carolina obviously I go to another state they don't know what the county certificate looks like right and then there was they always had like a red number at the bottom right you know a red like you know 0 7705 you know and it's always bleeds through right so you have to print that out you know on that over a couple of times it bleeds through and then you've got the seal and of course it's you know it's signed you fold it up a few times you go in there you go

oh I've got this I've got this and they look at it and they go how did you get shot records you the same thing just forged them i just i hand forged those because that's just a piece of paper that's printed that the doctor signs well that was the same thing when they were raising hell about the the covid vaccine i had and i didn't realize that i could have done anything with i i don't you know but i guess people were actually paying for those cards saying that you got your shot right anybody could make those cards yeah you print them out and sign i'm like there's no database there's no database right i had a whole stack of them i don't remember how to hell i ended up with them but but But I had a whole stack of those.

I would go in. They'd look at the kid's number or at kids' information. They'd check to make sure that your driver's license that you were who you said you were. Like they put your information and your social security number was issued. And then they would issue the new social security number under you as the father had this child provide the documents,

has an 11-month-old girl. And keep in mind, once I would start to go into the DMV and get driver's licenses and other people's names, Now they're not even being pulled under Matthew Cox. They're being pulled under, you know, Scott Smith or John, you know, Thompson or Bill, whatever. So these homeless guys that I'm now impersonating have three kids, four kids, two kids. Now, didn't you ever, I mean, what would happen if one of those homeless people, you took their IDs if they died? Yeah, I mean, that was always my concern was I was always trying to figure out how, what I did was I started melding.

First of all, I did multiple things. one, I figured out how to just go in to an attorney. You pay him $1,500, he'll change your name. So I've sold in your ID. I changed your name. Under the new name, I would get a social security number issued to a child that doesn't exist. And then I would use that social security number to get an ID in that new name.

So really, I'm a completely different person now. And you're using all legit docs because the guy, the lawyer, me the document showing that the name has been changed based on this birth certificate. So I can go into another state saying, hey, here's my original birth certificate, but I had my name changed. Here is my social security number issued under that name, because I went to, obviously I went to social security. They changed the name on my social security number.

But really, it's that's 11-month-old boy's name, child that doesn't exist. And they'd use that and they'd give me an ID. So now I've got an ID and a name that doesn't exist. I've completely manufactured this ID. And then with that ID, then you would get the... I could get up, I could go get, I could open up credit cards, I could get a mortgage, I could open bank accounts, you could do anything. Wow. And you, so that all started really just from that white out that day?

Yeah, all that progressively just got worse and worse and worse. And I got more and more creative and kept... just like, yeah, kept getting, kept getting away with things and became emboldened by it and kept just, you know, you just start thinking you're untouchable. Yeah, that's a fact. Well, you know, the back with the cops thing, when I got popped, you know, I was like, they had warned me. Literally one of the deputies had gone to one of my friends and said, you need to tell him,

he needs to stop. He's being watched. Not once, a couple times, you know. and, you know, my mother and, you know, and like a dummy, you know, I thought, well, you know, I hear you. It ain't going to happen to me. So, you know, but, I mean, the upshot is, yeah, I did go sit for whatever, you know, I think it was less than 30 days. I mean, I don't, I don't think, two and a half, three weeks, maybe three and a half weeks, whatever it was. I know it was less than 30 days because I remember watching I was just before the first of the year

I got arrested on the 29th of December and I was out for the Super Bowl which I believe is in January I'm almost positive I know I watched excuse me I think only one weekend maybe two weekends of football playoffs so it wasn't you know it wasn't not a pleasant experience don't get me wrong it's not like something i recommend for anybody it wasn't enjoying it but right you do get institutionalized quick though i mean even in that short amount of time i had gotten used to it right it was like okay i got to get up a certain time i go to bed a certain time you know whatever i mean the lights are going to go off i can't turn them back on you know i've got to wait for these morons to to turn them on and you had your little emergency buzzer if something happened during like you

buzz it you know having the cardiac issues i did worry you know what the fuck if something happens you're going to be dead. They're not going to take care of you. So what do you think of my whole story? It's good. I appreciate you coming by. Is there anything else you want to go over or we're good? You feel pretty good?

I think I feel pretty good. All right. Yeah, no, I think I feel pretty good. Yeah, other than, you know, tell everybody not to use that lift company. Don't use, don't use that lift company. Don't use that lift company until they, pay my ass well listen i appreciate it let's let's wrap it up yes sir all right thank you very much i appreciate it hey if you like the video do me a favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you

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