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Episode Date: March 8, 2025

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DVS, Walgreens, Rite Aid. Every time they get in trouble for doing the same thing I did, they pay $60 million fine. At this point, I already knew that they were going to get. The attorney told me to stack as much money as a way as you can because no matter what, you're going to get the same amount of time. I was born and raised in Viral Beach, Florida. By the age of 15 is when I started my criminal activities.

So I started dabbling into green a little bit. I didn't smoke it. but I sold it. Right. And so some of the guys that I was selling it to, they were in this little ring of, like, stealing stuff and selling it or whatever. Well, they had these four-wheelers that they would steal because they were poor. They didn't have no money to, you know, buy them.

So they would, like, steal them and hide them in the woods because I lived out west of town, west town of where I live is like outside the, you know, a little town that I was in where it's like dirt roads and woods a lot. And so we'd all go out there when they went around and ride the stuff or whatever. and I had these guys, and they were wanting to buy the stolen stuff. So I hooked them up with these boys, you know, buying the stolen stuff. And they had stole this dirt bike from this boy named Zach Rose. And later on, he's going to become the guy that got me put in prison for the second time.

So I had purchased the plastics off of it because I like the graphics and stuff to put on my dirt bike, not thinking that it would ever come back and bite me in the ass. I'm young. So I purchased it. and I put him on my dirt bike and then the word got around town so he turns me in, you know, whatever, that turns me in, but wants to come get his stuff, cops are called and it unravels this big thing that they've been looking for, these guys that are stealing because somebody else that got caught with a stolen full wheeler

linked back to them, and I didn't know that they were already cooperating and talking. And they already had dropped my name, but then it collaborated with Zach, and then how it came back to bite me. And they tried to pin all the stolen stuff on me. So this is where my whole criminal stuff started. And by the age 16 years old, I took it to trial because it was like the end of my 15. And the pot thing didn't last very long because of, you know, my criminal trial trouble's coming. So what happened was is I took it to trial because they were trying to pin all this stuff on me.

These boys were like using me as a scapegoat because I was the only one got caught with stolen stuff besides one of the guys they sold one of the four-wheelers too. He got caught. Right. These boys did it. But somehow they got roped up. And they were trying to put it all on me because I got caught with some stolen property. So they weren't caught with anything. You were caught with stuff.

So it was easy for them to say he was the ringleader. He was the one doing all this. Correct. Okay. So what happened was is I had to take it to trial. We got an attorney and fought it. I beat all the charges besides dealing and stolen property. Because once you put juveniles, you know, kids my age on the stand, they start folding.

They can't keep the story straight. It just became a thing. But it doesn't matter. A lot of people don't understand. There's no jury by trial. I mean, there's no trial by jury in juvenile. It's just by judge. Okay.

So even though I beat all the charges. I don't know anybody's ever going to trial on a juvenile thing. So I didn't know. Yeah. So it's not by no jury appears. It's by a judge only. So I beat everything. But the judge still said during my sentence,

he was like I feel like Mr. Vacherbeck had more of a role in this, even though he was able to discredit everything and beat it all. But I still think he had a bigger role of play in this. you know because of what they said about me right so he sentencing me more time than them and so i started out in martin county boot camp by the age 16 years old and it was later shut down because it was absolutely just heinous how bad they treated us and how crazy it was like for six first six months there i never got a visit phone call i never even talked to another inmate never read a newspaper uh literally at 3 30 in the morning you started PT

So you would run like 15, 16 miles every morning in Cadence, you know, talking lift, lift, right? You would do about 2,500 push-ups, things that you work out until about 6.30 in the morning, do you come in shower, blah, blah, bud, then you go to school and you go back to your room. You can't even sit on your bunk. You sit on this metal bench, huge window, and you can't even look out the window, and they, like, slipped down, looking to catch you looking out. I mean, it was just absolutely the craziest thing ever. I ended up getting, catching some charges there on fighting and with the staff.

And they shipped me to another program, got in the fight the first week there, caught two more batteries on Leo's, I think it was. And then they shipped me to a higher level in Okeechobe. And then I ended up getting in with this, my case manager was like, man, how in the world did you caught nine battery charges in this little bit of time? And you're working away to prison. So it was all because if you get in a fight, the staff come and break it up. And they just get elbowed or something. And they're like, oh, I got hit or whatever. It's not like I hit the staff. right but I get charged so that any time you hit them it's like dude you jumped in a fight so I worked my way up to almost the highest levels of juvenile and I ended up getting around this staff member that was like I'm going to get you home I don't feel like you know you're just getting you know screwed over so it was like two months where I was 18 years old they released me so pretty much I graduated in juvenile prison and um I had all good intentions graduated high school juvenile prison. So I got to walk in a purple gown

with the thing and everything. They like do this whole thing and stuff like that for people that graduate and go to school. So it was crazy. I don't talk about it. I don't show it. And people are like, where did you graduate? I'm like, high school? They're like, where? I'm like high school. Okachovie. Yeah, Okachovie. Yeah, but my

thing says Washington County, because I guess they like, Washington County, Florida or whatever, it has the schooling program there or whatever. I didn't know there was a Washington County, Florida. It's in the panhand. Okay. So they have the contractor schooling there. So my thing says Watson County.

So when people see it, they're like, man, you went to school up there? And I'm like, no. So it like digs up because I don't like talking about it. But anyways, I come home and I try to do everything right. But just like all the other stories you hear, and you come home, you're making $9 an hour and you can barely make ends meet. You're 18 years old, you know, trying to do it on your own.

And why, why weren't you getting moved back to your, parents house? I did for a couple months. Okay. I did for a couple months. And then, you know, just like any other 18 year old who wants to live with their parents. Yeah. You know, so it's like, I want to be a man. I want to do it on my own. Yeah. So I made the bright ideal to move in with my brother. I was like, oh, I'm moving my brother. I want to make my own rules. I want to be my own man. So just like anybody else, I try to make it. I want to live that lifestyle, hanging out with everybody. And I had all good intentions. And it all started because here we go again. All my buddies are doing what drugs right so they're all partying and you know i want to go hang out go to

the bars do all this stuff i'm 18 years old and i don't have no money to go do all the stuff that they're doing and uh because they're a little bit older you know they've been a little more established than i am you know i'm just getting out and um so you know they've already got vehicles they've been working on i'm having to get out just like you know you got to get out you got to get a vehicle you got to get all these things so i got you know come up with more money and they do that they've been working on since they were 16. So I'm struggling and I never had no intentions but like I said, all my buddies are doing drugs. So one time there was a drought at some point they couldn't get no powder. So I was like, okay, I know somebody. So there's a girl used to live beside my brother

and this Mexican do you used to come over all the time. And back then like having 26es on your truck or car was like, you know, labeled drug dealer. Yeah, bawling. You know, you're labeling yourself. drug dealer gold big chains big everything so i'm like okay i'm like don't worry about i got you you know it's just because he's my brother's next door neighbors so i'm you know every day you know we wave you know stuff like that hey what's up blah blah so finally i ask him like hey what's up and um he's like yeah i got it so i hook my buddies up just hook him up and they're like holy shit that shit's fire dude like oh my god so like can you get a smorse every time he turn i'm like why the fuck am i doing this for free like you know i can go to jail for doing this

stuff so of course you know anything you know you start charging a little extra doing something to it or whatever so that's what i started doing and then within weeks i um i bought an eight ball and i put a little bit on to make four grams and i sold it four grams made a 50 and i turned it into a quarter and before you know it i was pushing keys and um i mean it's like in no time um this is back when let's see probably oh four is what your prime right i mean like think about it you know think of that yeah i mean tell you I mean, everybody had money. Right.

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I'm 18 years. old about the turn 19 you know i'm somewhere in between getting close to 19 at this point because i did good for about the first seven eight months i was really trying to do the right thing so if you think about it i'm making about five thousand dollars off per key um you know what i'm saying that's like low in because it you know some i'm breaking it down you know selling grams you know so every month or a week i mean sometimes i'm pushing a couple keys a week you know what i'm pushing about i'm pushing about average i'd say five plus keys a month i think this age for a 19 year old for 19 year old that's a ton your ton of money because the thing about

is you got to realize is that at the time there was like a drought back then a little bit like things were getting a little hard prices went from I mean literally when I first started buying keys from him it was short lived for like 18,000 that went straight to like 21 24 um so it was going quick but he would get like 50 60 out of time and so then he would come down and drop a couple off to me and you know so like sometimes i'd have to step on it you know like you know or sell it small because i didn't know when i was going to get my next shipment so like i said it's hard to say exactly how much i was getting because you know the drug game if you meet anybody it's never consistent right it comes and goes so you got to kind of like read the field on like

when your next shipment's going to come so you know sometimes i would break it down down to grams because i didn't know when the next shipment was going to come um if i had a guess i was probably making anywhere from 40 to 50,000 plus a month at that age. That's a ton of money. It was. I don't have to make $40,000 a month now. Yeah. So I didn't spend no money.

I had a goal in my mind that I wanted to save up so much money before I, you know, bought a house, bought a newer vehicle because I was riding around and busted stuff, everything else because something that I'd learned from all the stories as a juvenile, being in a juvenile prison, I was a little head of the game hanging around all these boys that, you know, I'd listen to the stories about how they got busted and everything. everything else. And I'm listening, watching all these boys on the streets now, like, you know, at my age, do just be reckless. You know, I didn't do drugs. I didn't drink. So I was in it strictly for the money. And I don't care what anybody says. I started out small and never

wanted to get big. But that just cannot happen. You got good product and you're, you know, want to hustle. It just grows. Right. And I know everybody knows that story. You know, you start off with one gram before you know what you're selling an ounce. And then the phone keeps ringing. Next thing you know, you got people want to buy ounces, quarter keys, half keys, hey, can you you give me a brick and it just doesn't stop so or so how long does this go on for it goes on for a couple years um probably not even a couple years and then something big happened to south florida um whole family got unlived and all of a sudden he disappears i can't prove the fact that they were involved but it was just like they disappeared so wait so the the mexican guy you were

buying from his family got no somebody else. It was all over the news here in South Florida. They were left on the side of the interstate. The whole family was. Was this a Mexican family? Yes. Okay. And then this guy just takes off. So the two of the guys I dealt with, his guy and him, both disappeared right after this happened. You think they disappeared because they were involved possibly in the murder? Or you think they disappeared because they were, they were whacked? No. No, because he's, I've seen them since then. Oh, okay. He, he, he, they disappeared for about five years and came back. Might have been a little longer than five years but are these are these um mexican americans or these guys these are

legals no mexican americans oh okay now the family that i'm not sure about them uh i just know that i put two and two together because that happened then they disappeared and then i asked around and they're like something big's going on i know they didn't have no direct ties but their people didn't so you know how the feds work and they understand how the feds work was white boys don't really know that. I don't know anybody else really gone on feds. So what happened was is when the feds come raining down on them, you know, they get everybody. Right.

They, you know, it's like a big like net. They just net everybody up. Well, let us tell everybody when they, like if it's, if it's the state, the state will come arrest you and then build their case. Yes. If the, when the feds come to arrest you, they've already built their case. Yes. Like they're not, they're not asking you questions because they want to know the answers.

They just want to see if you're going to lie. You know what I'm saying? They just want you to verify what they already know. Yeah. Supposedly the family rumor had it is what I found out is like he had stole like 60 or 80 keys and was on the run and they found them and then, you know, did what they did. So what it gets me is like it's one thing to go take it. It's another thing to unalive a whole family.

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because, you know, they knew that the feds were going to come raining down on everybody. But the way they look at it is that nobody, the next person will think twice before they, you know. But when I'm at 19 years old, I don't understand this. I'm not hip to the Fed game. That's like one thing that people got to understand is like, if I had understood all this and how the feds work, I'd have done things totally differently. Yeah, you just sold cars. Yeah.

I sold cars if I thought I could go to prison for 10 or 15 years. So I, once I got an ad, you know, it's like anything, you're already hooked. I mean, you got the needle on your arm. Like, it's just like I got to keep just going. My phone's blowing up. Hey, man, hey, I need this. I need this. I need that.

And it's like, uh, uh, uh, uh, hold on anything. You don't want to lose it. You get used to that money coming in. You get used to everything. So just like anybody else, I start. looking for another connect. So I start going to South Florida. I start going everywhere, getting on the horn, calling everybody, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

and everybody's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody's a yeah person. I can get it, I can get it. Come to find out, it's like, well, I got the money. Nobody can get this shit. Right. So many people lie. And then when they do, they're trying to scrabble something up and you get a bunch of bullshit put together and it's garbage. People trying to rob you, rip you off. You get a brick, and it's all nice on the outside, and they don't pack the bottom of it. Bullshit. Like, it's so many games that I dealt with. I got

screwed over so much when you do find somebody yeah they can probably get one or two here and there but nobody can get five i'm wanting to buy five at a time you know and it's just it got to the point where i was just losing my customers or going elsewhere and and so for about six to eight months i was having a problem and that's when i was like you know what my family's got a house in bahamas have been over there i was like let's do this so we take a day cruise over to lekaya to freeport um because i had a boat but i didn't want to take it i was like like, dude, let's just take it. They're $99. I'm like, let's just take a cruise over. Let's fill the scene out and let's come back. So we go over there to two days and you stay there for two days

and we start filling out, talking to people and doing some stuff. And because you got to remember, I've gone over there. I don't know a lot of people, but, you know, I know the area. And so we start talking and everything goes to dead end roads because I don't know if you ever been over there. People are like, hey, hey, hey, you want, you want, you want, they're always trying to sell you stuff in other country, especially over there, so the tourist spots. You get a lot of guys trying to, you know, buy, you sell your grams, pot, whatever you want. So we start filling those dudes out, hey, man, what's up? Can you get an ounce? Can you get this? Can you get that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we get some stuff from them. It's a lot cheaper. You know, I took money over there

just to see. The shit's garbage. It's no good. So I'm like, damn, dude. And it was just weird. It was just like one day we'd happen to go back over over the offshore boat and hang out a little bit longer and we kept running the dead end road same it seemed like it was the same game here is the same game over there everybody says they can do something they can't so one day we happen to be in lekaya i don't know if you've ever been the lekaya it's like a resort area it's really nice it's got nice tiki bars and shopping and the casino and all kinds of stuff so it's like the tourist area you know in a third world country so it's really nice right so you got a lot of small time drug dealers run around trying to sell you stuff whatever well there's this one guy run around with this nice car

But nice over there It's different than nice here And he's got like 20s on it You know nobody else is riding around with 20s Right So my buddy just like hops in this passenger seat Because he's like he's rolling the strip Big old swole black dude

Clean cut big chain everything else And so he like stops And my boy like just hops in this passenger seat And he's like what did you doing man He's like you're gonna be my taxi cab driver And boy's like you can be to fuck out in my car or whatever And my boy was like nah I'm not getting out or whatever

and so he's like but he's a very personal like funny type guy you know what I'm saying like you know he's easy to like play like smooth tight so dude's like man um all right tell you boys to hop in or whatever you're gonna go buy some food at my restaurant or something I remember saying something like that so we go to his restaurant and um we get wings and we eat and everything else kicking and we're just hanging out with them or whatever and he's like no you're gonna go to my restaurant you're going to buy some food and uh I'm gonna show you to my places you're going to spent some money or he said something like that to him. So we went to him and we ended kicking it was

dude. So we come to find out his family is somebody big on the island. He owns a bunch of restaurants and everything else. Come to find out he ran all the underground casinos over there because the Bahamians can't gamble. So they got casinos but they can't gamble. So he runs all the underground casinos. And he gets all his

casino stuff from Canada through the port and then he has like all these back rooms where he sets up all of his things and then all the locals go in there and gamble. And that's his little hustle. When you say through Canada, you mean like roulette tables? Slot machines, everything. So like any kind of stuff you see in a casino, he's getting it through Canada.

And then he has a ship from Canada into the port, through free port. And then he gets it, you know, has some people in there to get it because you're not allowed to get it. Okay. So anyways, he ended up hooking this up with some of his guys on the island to get some good stuff. So we got plugged in. We started running drugs back. first off we started I started on a small level

because I just didn't trust them buying a couple keys out of time and I had these custom dive tanks made so we'd put it like I don't know about the top six inches we'd weld a plate in there and what have it machine

and welded in tight to where you could still put air so like if you could take the top and it was still air will come out and then we had the bottom machined where it was cut and had these little pins

with the Allen keys and at the bottom would have the little plastic sleeve so you could take it apart and put the keys in there and put it back together and take a little bit of bondo filler and put in each one of them and repaint the bottom and then put the cap back on so you couldn't ever tell okay and that's how we would run the small amounts of drugs back at first and uh we wanted to work our way up to being doing bigger stuff but the problem with the islands is they only get like three or four hundred keys at a time shipments to the islands okay and oh only yeah just little little bit, a little bit, three or four hundred keys. Well, three, four hundred keys is not very much when you got 50 people of there waiting to pick up a bunch of drugs. You see where I'm coming from? So that's the issue. So people got to realize like, you know, like, so if I want to buy 10, it's almost impossible when we buy 10. Right. Yeah. So, you know, I'm a nobody. These dudes been doing it for a long time. So, you know, like they're, they're getting their foot. And so

when three or 400 keys show up on an island, think how many keys stay on the island to sell to the tourists and all the locals get to keep it and stuff like that. And then you have like all these other guys that are over there waiting. I mean, I'd literally be going over there waiting and sitting around the bars and hanging out. And there'd be all these same boats every time. It's just funny. Every time I show up, these same boats are there.

And I'm like, uh, so I asked me a dude. I'm like, hey, what's up with these dudes? He's like, what do you think they're doing too? Yeah. I'm like,

is this obvious? He goes, yeah, it's this obvious. I said, holy shit. And it's like, they all come around the same time I do and leave around the same time I do.

And I'm like, okay so now you start and figure out like okay we're all in the game together and um so i'm like we need to switch this up like let's not hang out in lecay no more nobody needs to know like when we're here and what we're doing so we would go park elsewhere and stay and um he got to the point i wouldn't even check in the customs no more there was this big dude i'm talking he's like six six big old swole motherfucker his name was goose blue goose or gray goose something i something goose he would give me a hard time at customs so i told my dude i'm like hey man i'm like there's this fucking guy customs like give me a hard time ask me a bunch of questions and he's like what

he's look like i said this motherfucker is huge he's like oh that's my boy goose or something he's like don't worry i got him and i'm thinking like this is scary so he calls him up and says something to him so he never gives us a problem so he gets to a point where like i would literally show up on the island checking customs and i go to the pay phone call my dude because he wouldn't want me to call off nothing out so i call him and he'd be like yeah i already knew you were here and i'm like man let's not check in no more like i don't want this to be known that these boys you know have this much control. So I'd literally sneak over there, and I would start going to Buda Bay.

So it's right beside Blue Marlin Club, and there's this little canal, and it's this trick and Vida runs it. And they have their own little dock, you can pull into a little cove. And they got these little, like, little resorts that you stay in. It's more towards west end of the island. So we would go there and stay, so nobody knew that we could come in without checking in. Nobody was out in the middle of nowhere on the island, so it was perfect location. And so we started running our operation a little different, and it just became such a hassle because you would have like three, 400 bricks on this way, and the weather would get bad.

So then the boats, it was like small boats that would work its way from island to island to island. It's not like, you know, a submarine or big shipping container would come in that I knew of. They always said it started like in Dominica or somewhere, and they'd run these little boats up sneaking from island to island because I think the furthest gap is like 90 miles between islands. And, you know, Coast Guard's an area. They'd had to hide out somewhere. If the weather was bad, they'd have to wait. So sometimes we'd wait a week, and I couldn't wait no morning. You'd come home empty-handed.

So I got tired of it. And I was like, fuck this. So I found out that I went to school with somebody. That was part of the Cali Cartel. And their dad, I don't know if you remember back when Escobar was feuding with all the other ones, just like the Mexicans do. Right. What do they do?

They kidnap family members and kill them and do all kinds of stuff. so he sent his wife and his kids over here to go to school in America like many other ones did back in the 80s so I didn't realize I went to school with somebody that was related to the Cali cartel and I found out through somebody else and they plugged me in and uh so I was like okay let's go to Columbia so we went to Columbia and and I'm going to Columbia I don't go to out with to go look for drug dealers. Yeah, but I've done it. That seems like a really good way to get kidnapped.

Well, I mean, I've gone to Mexico and small go across Mexico when I was 19 years old. I went to Laredo, and that was pretty wild. I've been to Bahamas scored and been coming across. No, I'm not doing any of that. I was young and wild. I'm getting a job. No. I'm going to get, I could sell cars.

But it was like, it was like high for me. It was like an addiction. You know what I'm saying? I'm a thrill junkie. I like doing dumb stuff. That could go bad. Yeah, but it was, it was worth it. I was, I was, it was, it was kind of exciting, but I will tell you, it was pretty intimidating.

So the first time we flew down there, so we scheduled a meeting to go down. I don't know who I'm meeting. I don't know nothing. I just know that I go in there too. Can I say one more thing? Look at you. How old, how long, how, you were in your early 20s? Early 20s.

Like you're, by this point, what are you, six, six foot? Yeah, I'm six, six foot, six foot, blonde hair. blue eyes, fair skin. Yeah. Or they hate your guts, bro. They do. Like, they hate, like, you're, you're the quintessential American asshole that we, we just despise. Well, that's what I'm going to tell you the story.

Oh, my God. So. The teeth are white and straight. I mean, sorry. Go ahead. So the funny thing about it is that I was going to tell you is that, so the first, I didn't know what to expect, right? So my boy's been down there a couple times.

And he's like, he waits until we start landing and get off the plane. And he's like, hey, he's like, be prepared when we walk out of the airport. And I'm thinking, like, be prepared for what? He's like, you'll see. Just don't pay no attention. And I'm like, what? So we literally get off. So the whole time on the plane, like, we're the only white, like, Americans on the plane,

especially white boys, like, the only ones. And he's, I'm 6'1. He's like 6.1 or 6.2. It might be a little taller me. And so we get off the plane and, like, we're the tallest people. Like, everybody's, like, here. Like, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, looking around, everybody's staring.

out of us. So, like, you know when you walk out of airport, like everybody's family members are waiting for them, you know, to pick them up and stuff? Well, it's a little more crowded, like, crazier down there because, like, Spanish people are, like, really, like, bring their whole family to come see them, right? Right. So you walk out and there's literally hundreds of people outside. They, like, they can't wait inside. So they're outside where all the taxi cabs are pulling up and everything else waiting for the family members. And, like, I swear to you, it was like, you could hear a pin drop. Like, everybody stops and they're like, everybody's staring at you and they have to look up to you. And you're like, and you're

like walking through and they're all just looking at you. I don't know what the fuck he's like he's like they're not used to seeing you know white boys six foot they don't see that down here and I'm like what you mean people don't come out of tourie because do people don't visit to come here like they don't visit her destination that's what I tell me acopoco so I'm like I'm you know I'm not I'm just like oh okay well whatever I'm like so what's the real story and he's like man they think you're we're think we're feds I'm like we're clean cut we hit we look like fed He says, so they're automatically looking like,

the FBI or DEA's in town. So he's like, the phones are blowing up right now. And the funny thing about it is, is as, you know, he's telling me this, why we're waiting, these two, like, little zoosu pickup trucks, little four-door zoos, they're all diesels down there. They pull up, the doors pop. These guys get out with guns and stuff.

You know, like, you know, a couple security guys, and my boys get out and are like, hey, how was the flight? Do I hop in, let's go. So we hop in. So these are two bulletproof vehicles because, you know, they're kids of somebody, you know, port down there.

they don't even have to be part of the cartels. Like anybody important down there has rich families, they ride around with bulletproof vehicles with security. It's just normal security. It's not like they're, you know, like whatever. It's just security. And so like we're literally like riding through town and stuff, like blowing through red lights.

Like we roll up to look and they blow through them, jump on the curbs and go around other cars and stuff. I'm like, what the fuck's up with this? He's like, dude, that's where all the kidnappings happen. So now it's ringing in my head, like, okay. So we, everybody looks at us when we get out to planes. They think we're the agent. We don't stop at stop signs.

We have bulletproof vehicles and we got security with fully automatic guns. I'm like, this is pretty interesting. Like, I'm like, this is going to be pretty fun. And so we go and I don't meet with the family or not like that. So I meet with the cousin. And so we meet with the cousin and he's like, hey, man, what's up? And he's young. He's only like in his young 30s or something.

You got to remember, I'm young 20s. So he might be late 20s. I never asked him. Like, you can't get no information out of these. people like you ask them questions they don't answer you um and i'm gonna tell you a story about how i got kicked out of the country for asking a question so he's like hey man what's up man da da da da da da da da da and he's like and his cousins like say something in he's like oh man he's like it wasn't that bad and i'm thinking like well what wasn't bad and he's like oh dude i was just kidnapped and he's like yeah

i went down to ecuador or savador somewhere in one of those countries they just delivered a bunch of drugs down there and he was going on there to set a deal or get paid i can't remember the story. It's been a long time ago. The only thing I remember was that he was kidnapped for four months and it took him six, it cost his family $6 million to get him back. And he literally just flew in that morning. He hasn't even done nothing. He's meeting us to set up another business deal. That's all he's doing is setting up business deal. So he just got out of being kidnapped for four months. Six million dollars and he's not even like, oh man, he's just another day of business. For six million, I can get another kid.

You know? So I was like, man, this is wild. So we. we go do our thing, we're talking, and he's like, well, tell me, like, my cousin says, you all have a way to get some stuff in through another port, and I'm like, yeah. And he's like, well, listen, I can get anything on a ship for this much money. He's like, for a flat fee, I can get on any ship, but it's up to you to get it off the ship. And I'm like, okay, I think I got that. And I'm like, listen, I want to do something small. Well, you do something small because I'll do anything you want to do.

Just, you know, like, whatever. And so it was like, I think the first time we did, it was only like, 20 bricks and um it cost like five thousand dollars a brick for 20 that was to get it on the boat and um so the brick and to get it on the vote yeah that's everything okay that's everything that's get it on the boat it was four grand a brick once i started purchasing more right um but it was like five and um because you got to remember they only pay like two thousand dollars or whatever for them yeah yeah something like no i know the closer like but that that that i know how that by the time it gets from from whatever uh um south america all the way up to the border like every step of

the way it gets more and more expensive as as it makes that as a as a product makes that journey it gets worse and worse and then there's getting it over the border now it's worth even more money but every step is a few thousand here a few thousand there so when i was purchasing it in bahamas so by the time i went to bahamas i was paying 28000 dollars a brick in america it went that 32,000. That was the breaking point. Right. So. Because it's just what, not worth it anymore? It's not because, I mean, you got to think, even if you sold your ounces at $1,000 an ounce as $36,000. Okay. So you're making $4,000 off of something that's going to get how much time? Oh, yeah, yeah. But you don't really know that then. I didn't, but I still know. You still know you're

going to jail. I knew I was going to jail. So here's the difference between me and everybody else is I knew one day I was going to jail. And I accepted it. I'm the type of guy that weighs his hands out. I'm like the type of person like, okay, is this worth it or is it or is not working? it. So at the time, I was like, you know, all I've ever heard stories like, oh, your first time, you're only going to get like five years. I'm like, five years for this money, sign me up. I'm in. Like, I can do five years. I'm like, I'm not really worried about it. So I'd always weigh my hands out. Like, is it worth it or is it not worth it? And I was always told five years. So I was like, okay, I can do five years. Like, I've stacked in my money. I'm like,

I can do five years. It ain't nothing. You know, I'm not married. I don't got no kids. Let's do it. And so I'm paying 32 here. I go over there. I'm buying. them for 13,000, 13,000 in Bahamas. Right. So, but the problem of it is, is I can only get one to three, five here. I think the most I ever got one shipment was like 10 over there and I was like lucky, lucky. You know what I'm saying? And so that's what I feel people at the time.

It was just like, how can I run my operation back in America and people in Florida that were wanting to buy bricks and buy all this stuff if I can't stay steady? you know it's like rebuilding my business every time I don't reload you know come right you get a shipment it's like they go elsewhere to the other people then I have to contact him and get them to come back to me and then they I can't so I was like I got to find a solid way of doing this and that's why I went to Columbia and I went to Columbia and I set it up and it went smooth we got it in the port I worked to deal with my guy he get a quarter of the shipment so I gave him five bricks so I really didn't have much

tied up him you know what I had going on. He was smooth. Everything went good. Um, we got it off. He got off the boat. Everything. I met him and I got the stuff and I came across. And at this time, I had two Coast Guard agents, um, two guys that I knew in the Coast Guard that I was giving a kickback and they would tell me where they're patrolling. Okay. So like they would say, hey, like, listen, we're patrolling. We're patrolling in this area. So stay out of like, so they would tell me like, hey, we're on the backside of Abilcoast right now. And I'm like, perfect. They're not watching the front side. Because I only went to, uh, Freeport. which is 90-something miles out of Jupiter.

Okay. That was my favorite inlet to run out of. Because Fort Pierce has a Coast Guard station there, and right past in West Palm has one. So Jupiter's kind of like the middle inlet. That's a straight shot that doesn't have a Coast Guard station or law enforcement in that inlet. So it was perfect.

So if you can get by the Bahama Coast Guard, then you're free and clear. Well, there's really no Coast Guard over there. It's America that we patrol all the waters. Well, I meant our Coast Guard that's in their area, Like the guys that you're calling, they say, hey, we're good. And you get, so now you can get past them because they're on the other side of the island or whatever. You get past them.

There's nobody else between you and Jupiter, Florida. Yeah. So I had them telling me where they were always patrolling. So they would tell me like, hey, Jason, like they would never tell me personally. It was always coming through with somebody else. Like, hey, let them know that we're patrolling this side because it's real hot and we're investigating some stuff. So that shit hurt me. You know what I'm saying?

It kind of hurt me a lot because when they would patrol, they would patrol for weeks out of time in that area. okay you know so like my you know like drugs will come in over there and I can't even go pick the stuff up so I'd miss a shipment and that was another issue see when me doing the shit with Columbia it was going to set up where I could have my drugs hidden over there and what I was going to do is we had took a big ice chest and so on the end of west end of Bahamas it goes like another 30 miles like the flats go out so where water was only like 40 foot deep at the most and we had took a white ice chest and we sunk it down you know just went straight to to the bottom. And that's where we're going to start hiding the drugs out in it. So don't even

show when I go over there, I don't even go to the island. So it shows that I go over here and fish the banks on the outer banks. And we just dive down, grab it, you know, switch out what we need to do, grab the drugs, and come home. And so I don't know if you're familiar at offshore fishing. So there's weed lines. So the currents create weed lines. So I would send somebody out and they'd be in a smaller boat fishing on that weed line. And I'd have, you know, like a tracker on the boat so they can kind of see where I'm at so they can line up. And I would throw the drugs over with a little beacon on it right on the weed line. And they would intercept it.

They'd be trawling down the weed line. So we'd never meet two boats on radar. So they would intercept the drugs, keep fishing fresh day. I come in empty. And then they would come in later with the dope. Okay. And so everything was set up. We ran, you know, trial runs and everything was going good.

I never got on the level to really, you know, that's when we're going to get into doing the big stuff. So we did some trial runs. everything's going smooth everything's working out I get the shipment comes in I just bring it straight on in small load you know because I set it up on the small loads to the point I didn't even put it in dive tanks or nothing I just put it in a net back

and I would put like a 15 pound weight in it that's it still weight and what we did was is when we first started out one of the guys that told me one of the old drug smugglers of my dad's was like listen if you're going to throw it overboard never throw it over where it sinks straight down they'll send people down there to go get that shit he says put enough weight in it where the current will take it a mile away before it hits the bottom this powder float on its own kilos will yeah he said so put enough weight where it doesn't just want to go straight to the bottom where only goes 100 yards where it hits the bottom he says make that fucking thing travel forever so what we did is we took and we got some stuff and we put it in and watched how far it would go so we're like okay 15 pounds is enough like it sinks and it in the current takes it so we don't know how far it went but we

We know it didn't go straight to the bottom. But you know you can find it because there's a tracking device on it. Well, no, the tracking device only works when it's floating. We did this in case the Coast Guard intercepted us. Okay. Say they were coming in on me and I needed to get rid of it. Right. And they seen me throw something over.

I didn't want it to go straight to the bottom. Okay. I wanted it to float, you know, underwater and go far enough way where they never find it. Okay. So we did that. So I was brave enough just to bring the stuff right on end most of the time. I didn't really care. And then once we started doing the Columbia thing,

You know, my passport started getting stamped of Columbia. So it started setting up some red flags. I'd get a phone call that my warehouse or my next door neighbor to my warehouse where I kept my one offshore boat. I had two boats. I had one hidden in Jupiter and I had one that I had in town that I would go fish and do all my stuff on, you know, just hang out and party. So the warehouse had a, and my next door neighbors had surveillance cameras. Well, he, this older guy had his race cars. it was like for him just to have like a play shop right you know what i'm saying two bays on it had

raised cars and all kinds of stuff he's an older guy had some young kids that you know race on a small level so he um tell somebody so i'm out riding around on a sunday in my jeep and i'm at a gas station and my cousin's boyfriend was like hey you need to go talk to your next door neighbor something big just happened and i'm like what i'm like why didn't y'all conne they're like everybody scared to call your phone we went waiting to bump into you i went by your house you wasn't there. So I was like, okay. So I shot over there. The dude wouldn't answer his door. So I'd get a hold of his son. I'm like, hey, man, what's going on? He's like, hey, uh, my dad had got drunk and passed out at the, because he had a bed there. He'd sleep on the couch or whatever.

And he'd like woke up to, he has a big TV with, you know, the cameras on it and something was like bright flashing all over the place. And he like looked at it. I was like, what the hell's going on? So he opened door like, hey, what's going on out here? They're like, hey, get back in your thing. There's a guy running around loose right now. with a gun get back in area for your safety and they're like how do you know we're out and he's like my camera so they put a flashlight in this camera because I got to see the the footage of it right and it shows a van pulling up two guys getting out says DEA on their vest right and they got these big duffel bags and you see them walk up out of the view but they get

in my offshore boat and they wire it up put a tracking device on it so that was like the first indicator that my phone was tapped in a way or that they're on to you they're on yeah yeah there's a case they're building a case building the case so we had scheduled another dry run so i was like hey listen my boy's called let's fucking let's leave out 30 30 in the morning said the fishing's good that was a coat fishing was good so i went got the offshore boat brought it to the house and took a water hose and sprayed the inside of it around 1130 at night because what's what happens at night time the do comes in right well if you take clean shoes or you take shoes and you walk on a white surface

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come and take it out I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm doing a podcast with the agent here coming up soon I still this day don't know okay I was told that they wired it it's so small and they wired it in your ignition so every time you turn your key on you turn it on you turn it on

so I've been told to one of the agents one of the ones I had them payroll he says, I can tell you this much, because I'm looking for a box. Yeah, yeah. Well, when they wired into something, when it turns on, they don't have to have a big box now with a track. So he says they're real small. It's just a piece of wire with like a little tiny little thing, just enough to send a signal

because now they have power. They don't have to have a box. They don't have a big. They don't have a battery. So we kept looking for something big, not something small. We're looking for like shit. You see tracking devices on our cars or something. Right.

Like this is the stuff that people, they don't teach you this side. You only teach you like what you see in the most. movies like oh cool here we got them right well they were literally coming in and wiring these little things and somehow they would probably put it in the fuse like your fuses where you know has the hot and then they tuck it in behind something i don't know they still won't tell me and they laugh every time i ask them well he started a podcasting wants me to come on it so we're going to see if i can get it out of them on the podcast um so he's one of the agents that's in the video right so we can't find it meanwhile they don't know about my other boat so they think it's this boat all along so now i'm

running i'm figured out that i need to start getting running everything from you know i'm running everything from burger phones but um i'm the type of person if i want to if we're going to make a run you know there's only two of my buddies that went with me i would always show up and tell them a person we never talked over the phone uh even when i got in trouble um they told me they could never get no way to wear wire and they could never get me on wiretaps besides you know talking about the clinics which we're going to get into um so i knew that they were on me and so we made another run um and at this point we come in loaded and as i'm coming through jupiter inlet there's a sheriff boat coming out and as we pass them they don't even look at us or nothing they're just you know

doing their thing whatever and they turn around and get behind me now they're following me through Inlet, and if anybody knows how Jupiter inlays, it has it like a wide and then comes up to a railroad that overpass and like wise different way. And I kept making the left to the boat ramp right there. And as I make the left, he's still behind me now the helicopter's flying, circling. So I tell my boys, I'm like, listen, do not talk about nothing when we get to his boatline. Because there's people on the dock, people load boats. I'm like, we don't know who's who.

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No, this is the, no, no, we're loaded. I thought you had said you had one dry run. So I was wondering why you get. The first dry run, no, no, so the first dry run was the one where we were going to make a dry run. I've scheduled it and we put the boat in the warehouse to tear it apart and look for the tracking device. Yeah. Then I said, now we scheduled. Now the next run was actually, I was loaded.

Okay. I made a run loaded. Oh, okay. And my other boat. Okay, sorry. So. I feel like I'm trying to follow it. I feel like, okay, I missed.

Okay, go ahead. Sorry. So I go down to Jupiter. I make it run with my other boat. Okay. And this is the one that I'm loaded in coming in with. This is a bad scene then. This is not good.

It's not good. So we load up the boat. I mean, we can't talk. Our stomachs in our throats. I mean, we're just like, nobody's even talking. We're just like head down. Like, we're just waiting for the blue lights to come on. We load the boat up.

We pull out. Cops don't even get behind us. I'm like, what the fuck? So we get, we go down, we jump on I-95, we're coming back, we're not even saying nothing. No radio's on, no, not. We're just driving. We're just waiting. We come back, we parked the boat.

We don't even unload the drugs off of it because we're like, are they watching? Like, what's going on? Like, we're scared to touch the boat. Right. Like, where we parked at, where we hide it, like, um, we're scared to touch it. So we wait, we sit the boat there for a while, and I wait until dark time, then I slide up in there and grab the drugs off the boat. they never did nothing they watched this they later told me that they knew the whole thing but

they were you know like the feds what do they do they build an investigation right they didn't want to take me down on that because at that point i don't think they knew who i was dealing with who i was selling it to and they didn't just want to catch me with the drugs and just be me right they told me they were trying to figure out the whole thing or whole organization they were just getting put on me to this day i still don't know how they were doing it so it was like i got to switch this whole operation up so i switched it up relocates all everything that i'm doing and change it all up because, you know, now I'm got to figure out how I'm going to do this. And that's where it gets interesting.

So once I did, this is the second run that I did. So my third one, we're over there scheduling it going to pick it up. And we're walking through this parking lot at the hotel that we're staying at. And my buddies are in front of me walking and I'm still back here. So the car's, you know, pulling a parking lot. So I'm walking on the backside thing. And this car pulls up and these dudes hop out and grab me and like drag me into this car. So now, like, my knees, you know, my legs are hanging out and they take off with me in this car, like dragging me up in the car.

What are these guys? Are they, so Spanish guys? No, no. This is Bahamians, so they're all black. They're probably Jamaicans. Haitians are Jamaicans. Okay. They didn't sound or look like Bahamians.

Probably most likely Haitians, because Haitian gangs are taken over over there. Okay. Like, they're controlling a lot of stuff. So now at this point, somebody in the port is leaking. They don't like that I'm running this operation. I'm cutting everybody out. The only one's getting cut. in is my one dude that has a lot of political pull on the on the island he's not a part of the

gang or nothing what's going on so these guys want a piece they want a piece they never make out who they are not like that so anyways luckily i had my gun on me because i always carried a gun over there and the behemians are not allowed to have guns so i had bought 10 unmarked guns that were not registered nobody no nothing like they're not registered at all like so they don't even know who they came from they only know where what manufacturer they came from that's it So through my gun connect guy, I get 10 unmarked handguns to travel with and hide it's, you know, because I had guns in Bahamas. I had guns hit in all over the place case I needed them. And so one of my dumb, dumbass buddies that was running over there decides he's going to sell some of the guns over there.

Something like who fucking sells guns to the people you're buying drugs from? Right. Like why do you want to press them? I'm just like, they don't even really want the guns. They want ammunition because they're not allowed to have guns over there. So ammunition is more important than the guns. And so, and I'm like, no, I'm not selling y'all anything. Like, I'm not going to sell you a gun and ammunition for you to rob me and kill me in my own shit.

Like, that's stupidity. So this dumb fucker, he gets messed up, wants to be liked, and he works a deal off to the side with these other boys and sells them guns and ammunition. Well, two weeks later, the guns turned up and a murder over there. Both of them do. So my dude that has works at this manufacturing place is like, hey, the fucking ATF is here asking my boss. um about these guns like how did they end up over there and they're not registered to absolutely nobody but this manufacturer so i had somebody we had somebody that knew somebody it worked at a gun place and got the guns out of the plant for you know good amount of money yeah there's a few

manufacturers in florida like um night armaments is in uh south florida there's a there's a few of them yep so i had somebody that knew somebody to get guns out of there could make them and get them out and that's how we had it done um so i anyway I get pulled in his card. They take off and get on a thing. And I got the guy in a headlock with a gun up against him because they had me like drug in and this one dude's like on top of me another one. So I get the other guy.

I got a gun to his head. And they're like, and I'm telling him like, I'm going to blow his fucking brains out, blah, blah, blah. And so the driver, I put it to the driver's head because I'm still hanging out over things. I just got the gun to his head.

And these dudes are talking in some different language, whatever. The car stops. I wheezel my way out. I'm not thinking I should have had somebody with me. So I get out of the vehicle. So now all three. these dudes are outside the vehicle looking at me i'm thinking like now they can just shoot me or

whatever so luckily there's people around it's at an intersection like a little three-way um and there's like it's still kind of like in the you know populated area so they're kind of like looking and talking in different language and pretty much uh i made out like we'll deal with him later something on that lines so they like get back in and he looks at me and then they peel off so now i have to walk about a quarter mile back to the hotel room of my boys and i'm like what the fuck i'm like dude i don't know they just dragged me in a vehicle and then you know like who are they i'm like i don't know i don't know who these people are so now we get our drugs we leave we were scared that night so we went stayed on our boat probably about a couple miles off the coast so we you know slept on shifts we

weren't going to stay on that island but i still ain't got my drugs yet and um so i'm assuming they were going to kidnap me until i you know to give them the drugs you know like to give them the shipment or whatever right as what i'm assuming i still or maybe just to get you into a position where they can talk to you about hey cut us in on something you know know, maybe it was, and that would have been the nicest version of how that seems like it would have worked out. Yeah. You know, that never works because they always want more, more and more.

So anyways, we came in. I made my dude come out to us in a little boat to intercept us to load the drugs on. I went and going back to that island. Like, them boys meant, I just assumed that they're going to kill me next. So we wait a while. We make another run back over. Shipman comes in. This is going to be our biggest shipment of all.

so I worked my way up to about 100 bricks. So anyways, I'm still at this point not wanting to do something big because I still don't trust these people, you know, in the port. Because what if I, you know, pulled out the things and shipped a bunch of stuff and then they just take my whole shipment or whatever. So I'm kind of like working my way up. Plus, I can't at this point, I'm not set up to do a big operation. So I'm working my way up.

This is my biggest one. I finally pulled the trigger. And then I get the drugs there. well we would always take like bud wiser in a bottle on bud light in the bottle like they wanted this stuff they want chicken wings and like all this american stuff because the import taxes like to the roof like they'd make they would have me like can you bring some TVs over hey can you bring this over like they were trying to give me bring like all kinds of crazy shit over so i would bring over all this type of stuff and trade it out for like fish conk lobster so because i'm not

i don't got time to fish and do all this stuff so of course i'm over there looking like i'm fishing yeah so i would come over and trade them and stuff and they'd give me this huge cool or slap full of like i'd just been over on this huge fishing trip you know what i'm saying like tons of fish in it lobsters everything so if i got pulled on the way home like hey what do you doing like oh no we were just on a three-day fishing trip in bahamas can we board yeah and they look in the cooler slap full you know like it looks the pitcher so i would trade off so we're coming to the parking lot with this thing we're holding them and i'm assuming they think that the drugs in her because uh the last boys that were um over there

that were doing this shit for. They got hit. They had a custom cooler builder guy over there putting all the keys in the cooler. Right. Is what I'm assuming. So we're walking to the parking lot with this cooler.

It's heavy. We're just, you know, driving it through. And next thing I, I see these dudes, like, his tall, like, patient with long dreds. He's coming, like, he's looking, and she's coming to the parking lot. And I'm just like, dude, something you're right.

So next you know, I see him pull out a gun, and I'm just like, oh, man. So I take out run around the vehicle. He comes running around the vehicle. My buddy takes off the other way. And he starts, like, unloading the clip on me after like third or four round of shooting at me around this car it i don't know if he ran out of bullets or it jammed and i just kept going or whatever i left a cooler and everything there so um

that was that was pretty much my last deal it was done we got the drugs we brought it home and um i'm literally laying on the couch my daughter's about six months old at this period and i'm just like i'm done i've done made millions of dollars i'm over this i'm set almost got shot almost got kidnapped or got kidnapped yeah i got half a mile and almost got shot up and still don't really know why. Well, at the end of the day, at this point, I already knew that they were going to get me. Like, if you're at the point,

you're going to kidnap me, you're going to shoot at me. Like, why are you trying to shoot at me? Did they think the drugs were in the cooler and that's what they wanted? I don't know. I'm assuming that's what it was. So I'm thinking like, okay,

they kidnapped me. They're shooting at me. So guess what? My time is limited. They're going to kill me. Yeah, it's not going to stop. Like, it's not going to stop. This is getting to the point where it's becoming too much.

I'm sad. I can make money legitimately. So I'm like, my daughter was just born you know what I'm saying she was six months I think at the time and um so I went home and I told my girl I'm like I'm done I'm over it I'm not doing this no more I just it you know my daughter met too much to me at the point and um I just come from a guy I never wanted kids right you know what I'm saying never wanted kids and but like everybody always says when you have a kid it changes your life you know in the first six months of being a father like

it's all about the mom you know but when they get around that six months where they're starting hold their head up and look at you and stuff they start you know you know put tugging on your little heartstrings and stuff like that so um i made the decision to stop and i was looking for my next adventure and i wasn't that fancy you know guy that you know had big cars big stuff you know lived this live lifestyle whatever i still you know down to my roots you know small town boy all my money was putting cash and um i laying on the couch and um that's when i got the phone call who's the Zach Zach Rose

this is the same guy um that showed up my house with the cops uh when I had his dirt bike plastics that started my whole thing as a juvenile um so Zach at period of times we come bang on my window at three o'clock in the morning

we call it the fucked up dinosaur he'd get all messed up in powder and he'd like and he'd do this like T-rex and he'd have his jaw wobbling so like that dude and he'd be fucking knocking on my window Jay, Jay, and he's the only person get away with it. I'd fuck everybody outside, I'd fucking put a bullet in their head like, not literally, but

he would do this shit and he just had this way of just like, you know, making it where, you know, you wouldn't get mad. Right. And banging on my window and I'm, I do, like, nobody knows to come, like nobody comes to my house after dark. Like, that's just a no-no. Like, don't do it.

I'll cut you off forever. And his fucker would be 3 o'clock when the bar shuts down at my window banging on, come on my house. Come on. Let's just hang out with me, man. Let me in. And you'd have to get up because he would never leave you alone. So I, you know, whatever. And then he got into the pill game. So, you know, he's a drug user, parties, you know, pretty much just likes to party. And he gets into the drug game. He gets to, while I'm doing powder, he's in the pill game. So he's doctor shopping. He starts out doctor shopping. He gets into it where he goes to all these clinics. And he's, you know, getting pill. seen as many as doctors because back then there was no monitoring system so you could hit as many as doctors you wanted in the government nobody knew and it was set up that way for a purpose and so he's doing that then he became a sponsor where now he's you know recruiting people so

now he's got 10 15 20 people doing the same thing and he would pay them to go to the clinics and then you know he would you know pay them in pills or money depending what they wanted so he's making a good living he's making money but he has a problem of partying like Zach likes to show off clown, $15, $20,000 nights and strip clubs and just wow out. Like, he's all about the show. And, you know, so I kind of knew about the game a little bit, and the pain clinics wasn't my cup of cheese. So I was just kind of like, I stay away from powder.

My deal, something I knew a lot about. So I didn't like harsh drugs where people would get to the point where they would literally, like, you know, sell themselves, do whatever. like anything to do with like hills was just absolutely they didn't they didn't care what they'd steal from anybody like the customers i had in the powder and are usually your weekend lawyers you know start on friday go to work monday right you know like that was the type of my clientele and then how i got in selling the big stuff was selling to guys that were buying keys i don't know who their clientele is didn't care i didn't have to deal with it but my small time guys were actually wealthy people most

some more wealthy people and people that party started partying on Fridays, special occasions. There were the only ones I sold two on a small level. So, but everybody in the pill game, I didn't like nothing about it. So I stayed away from it. And like I said, that day I'm laying on my couch, my daughter's on my chest sleeping. I get a phone call. And as I, Zach's asking, like, hey, are you home? I'm like, yeah, my door's opening.

It's him on the phone walking in my door, as I'm saying, yeah. And he, like, literally comes over, like, grabs my daughter. And he's, like, talking to her, like, I got a business adventure for you. need to help me with your dad and i'm thinking like what are you doing doing my ex is like can give me my daughter and leave her out of this and um he's like man he's like come on dude he's like i was at the strip club i was blowing money and there's this other dude there blowing money too and so i was trying to like compete with him let him know he couldn't out do me type thing can idiot yeah well that was so it was viny colangelo i don't know who that is so vinny colangelo it doesn't sound good

He's a character. And I didn't know nothing about him. Come to find out, ex-addock drug dealer, been to prison from New York. Family got some fake mob-tized type, you know, stories. You know, you hear all the time. Everybody's related to the mob from New York. But it's really not true. He's just a clown, crazy, ballsy.

So anyways, make a long story short, he gets to meet him and they get the talking, and he tells Zach that I could use somebody like you. Like, you know, I'd love to have somebody come in, whatever. Zach's like, I need to borrow some money. I'm like, where's your money? And he's like, he wants Zach to invest into his clinics, like become partners. Was Vinny ever locked up in Coleman? Yes, he was.

He had a whole bunch of cars at once you. I knew you knew him. Okay, yeah, yeah, now that you're talking about it. Well, you should start with kind of jerk off. Yeah, yeah, he was very loud, very obnoxious, worked out all the time, right? okay yeah yeah he got beat off so he kept getting in trouble i think i got caught with a phone with the medium at yazoo when i was at the low um somebody had said something that i had a cell phone so i sent word over to the medium about him and they said yeah the white boys got him extorted right now

they were making them pay to walk the yard so i just somebody hit me up on ticot and told me they took his teeth um so something happened he owed up he ran up a big debt like he always like he's a big gambler yeah gambles like no other so he ran up a debt and something mounts couldn't pay it so somebody knocked almost all his front teeth out like they ran them up top like messed him up pretty bad yeah i don't think he was in at the low very long because we talked about him wanting to write he wanted me to write his story he's got a hell of a story yeah and and uh yeah but you know just talking to him it was so overwhelmingly outrageous like the everything because the drugs well it was the drugs and the via that like like this many vehicles this man everything was you know

It was, you know, I'm used to guys that, you know, like the big, well, no, I'm used to guys that if they're talking, you know, they're talking about making, you know, reasonable money. The money he was talking about was unreasonable. It was, you know, whatever it was, five million dollars a month, 10, it was, it was outrageous, like, and I remember thinking, come on, let's stop, let's stop. It's too much, too much. A hundred cars. Yeah. The feds had to come in. I had it, he had a fucking, you know, he had like a private garage where he had all these cars and, you know, land.

I'm just outrageous. Everything size of Bagatti. Yeah, it was outrageous. It's all true. I mean, I agree. It's true because everybody was telling me it's true. Everybody was telling me it was true. My TikTok video, I did a whole thing on it.

The problem was I was working on another story. He was one of these guys who was like, bro, stop that story. I got the story. Fuck that story. That's nothing to compare to my story. It's like, okay, you don't even know what I'm working on. Like I have a cue. Right.

So it didn't matter anyway because I was like, look, I'm interested, but I got to put you in the queue. It didn't matter because we never even got to that point because within a month he's gone. Yeah. He's in the shoe. I don't know what happened, but he's gone. I want to say cell phone.

Okay. So the thing with Vinny is he's just out of control. He's just very loud, nauseous drugs. I didn't know none of this stuff. I didn't care about it. Zach comes to me and wants me to invest into this clinic. And I'm like, well, why don't you go to your dad? Like, Zach's dad is a very big contractor, wealthy.

It's got 130, 140 employees. Right. Like, I mean, he's doing big things. Legitimately. Like, legitimate. Right. But, yeah, so he's like, oh, my dad don't believe him. He ain't go give me no money.

Like, then why the fuck would I? Right. You know, I'm like, why would I give you money? If your dad won't believe in you, why do you want me? Oh, come on, man, come on, come on, trust me, da-da-da-da. I'll make, give you, like, give me $25,000, and I'll give you $3,000 on it. I'm like, no, no. So for months, he's calling me.

So he shows up my house one time in a little 6-3, C-6-3. So it looks like a little Honda Civic Mercedes with a 6-3. So it's like 575 horsepower. A little Honda Civic type thing. Okay. It's a C series. I didn't even know they made a 6-3 in the C-series. Okay.

So it looks like a little Honda Civic, not a Honda Civic, but a Honda Accord, is what it looked like to me. Shows up and he says, come on, let's go for a ride. You know, like, this is like, this is like before I made the decision, but literally we blew it up the first day.

I mean, like, we pulled up to our buddy's house one time and we had done been run around town, clowning so hard, and it was like nighttime. We took a turn like 90 mile an hour, just like Zach's all messed up, about took the guardrail, everything out, like just,

out of control. We show up and my buddy's like dude like what the fuck is wrong with y'all? Like what y'all do to car? I'm like what are you talking about? And we get out all the discs the brake discs are glowing orange like glowing you can see through them and where we've been you know fucking on the break so hard

just clowning and run around town doing donuts and stuff so Zach's all messed up this is normal for Zach and um this happens when you raise with money like just crazy. So he uh Zach started doing drugs like at probably 13 years old, stealing his drugs from his dad. His dad's like a biker, crazy fucker, wildest can be, you know, smoked pot and stuff

like that. And Zach, you get into his pot thing and everything else. And Zach graduated into, you know, just getting fucked up, like just out to the point where I don't even know how people survive. And so I'm like, dude, where the fuck he get his car? And he's like, this is Vinny, dude, he's got this warehouse. Dude, I swear to God, we just pull up and we just pick any car we want, we can get it. Any car.

He's got like 100 cars in there. And this shit's kind of hard. to believe at the time. And I'm like, oh, okay, whatever. I just blow it off. And what it was is Zach was trying to impress me. You know, like, you know, like, dude, look at this money. Da, da, da, da, da, kept telling me.

So one day he comes to me and he's like, hey, man, he's like, you want to go eat lunch? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, let's go eat lunch. And to my favorite place was Rachel's in West Palm, a 45th. It's like a steakhouse strip club. It's like high end. So I was like, okay. So lunch is all you can eat buffet. That seems fitting, right?

Yeah. Sorry. So it's all you can eat. buffet all the time. And like Thursday or Wednesday is all you can eat prime rib and stuff. So we always go down there. And I get it. You're there for the food. Good. Yeah. It's great. So we go past it. I'm like, Zach, where are we going? He's like, oh, we got to make this stop real quick. So we go past it. We ended up in Fort Laudetteau off commercial. And we pull up to the clinic. And I'm like, dude, what are we doing here? Didn't have no name on it. She had a yellow

awning around it. He's like, this is Vinny's clinic. I wanted you to see it. I know if I told you, you know, let's go to the clinic, you would say no. So he's like, I lied to you. We pull up, we go inside. He has to do something. And I'm like, looking around. I'm like, thinking like, okay, I'm watching people come in and out. It's right off commercials.

You know, I'm like watching cars go by. Cops are going by. Nobody's looking at this place. It's running like a real business. It's like all the rest of them. I'm like, what the hell is I go inside. I see doctors, you know, nurses and girls and, you know, all the stuff, paperwork and everything going. I'm like, okay, I see their certificates of, you know, license on the wall.

I'm looking at everything. I'm like, holy shit. Like, this shit's legit. I've never been to it when he's paying clinics. I've only heard stories about him. It's just like a doctor's office. Yeah. But I only heard that, you know, you doctor shop, like all these people show up, pay this money, and they get these drugs and they leave.

Like, I didn't know the other part of it. So I'm like, oh, so these like, they're kind of legit. So I'm thinking, like, he's like, yeah, we exploit them. We lie to the doctors. If we go in and tell the truth, we'll never get the meds. He goes, it's us that lie. He because we just had to weed that out. So, you know, my little hamster wheel starts.

or wind up a little bit. So we leave there. We go to this attorney because he's got to sign this paper for an LLC thing or whatever. He's like, tell this fucking idiot right here that these clinics are legit. And he's like, no, he's like, they're all legit. And he's like, everything about them is, you know, as long as you do the thing you're supposed to, they're legit. I'm like, okay. So then we go to an accountant.

He's got to sign something. He's like, man, tell this idiot right here that all this money is legit and you can put it in the bank and all this stuff. And he's like, yeah, it's all good. So the hamster wheel's spinning a little faster. So I'm thinking like, damn, okay. So I start thinking about a little bit, and I'm like, okay, whatever. I'm like, I'll give you the money. So I give him the money, and he gives me some stuff for collateral.

And he tells me he's going to give me the money back and all this other stuff. So he invested into the one, and then he's like he wants to invest into this other one, so he wants some more money. And so I give it to him. So now he's invested in two clinics in Fort Lauderdale. And this is, you're out, what, 50 grand? No, at this point, it's not even 50 grand. He didn't want the full 25 on the second one. I want to say it's more like 35, 40,000, I think it was.

Okay. So then Zach comes to me and I'm like, hey, man, when am I going to start getting some of my money? Because he agreed that, you know, every week I would get so much money. And I know that he's gotten paid because now he's living, you know, bigger than anybody he normally does. And he's like, oh, man, Vinny hasn't gave me all this money yet because of this and this and that. And I'm like, damn, it just sounds like, you know, like you fucking seems like Vinny's

fucking you or whatever. He's like, well, I can't really say nothing because he could screw me. Like, this guy's a fucking clown. Like, he's an idiot. Like, he just gets high on. crack all day and just out of control using pills. Vinny? Venny.

Okay. Vinny was. And I'm like, oh, this is great. Like, so am I out of my money, but you're getting to spend it? So, Zach's like, well, I got a plan. I'm like, okay. So weeks go by, I want to say a couple months go by. And shit's doing good down there.

He starts to pay me, you know, like five grand, 10 grand or something like that. And so Zach comes to me one day, he's like, well, I'm not paying your money. You're going to go in business with me. Me and you're going to open up clinics. in Jacksonville, and I'm not going to pay you money. You're going to give me more money. And I'm thinking like, well, didn't he just pay it? He's like, man, Vinny ain't paying me what I'm supposed to and blah, blah, blah, and he's

fucking me. So fuck him. I'm going to learn everything I can. I'm going to put this kid in the pharmacy to learn all the pharmacy because that's where the money's at in the house of dispensaries. You know, in house suspicies. So we have our own pharmacy inside the pain clinic. Yeah.

So I'm like, okay, well, I don't care. I'm like, whatever. I'm like, let's do it. You know, like I'm in. It is what it is. I'm already invested in. I'm not going to get my money back, so let's just do it. At this point, it's what, after 2008, so this is in 2009, so you know as well as I know, 2008,

the economy crash. 2009, literally my business that I had off to the side, the other two businesses pretty much are not doing anything. Like, they're literally, they're in construction. I worked for asphalt companies. Yeah, I cleaned up all the tacking asphalt behind all the asphalt companies, made a lot of money. And now the asphalt companies went from having like five or six. asphalt crews to one that don't even work 40 hours a week and other ones that were working

seven days a week right and so I was cleaning up money on that and everything else so I get into um I tell Zach let's do it you know I'm thinking like damn dude these boys are making this kind of money like they were killing it so I'm like dude let's get into it like let's do it but I'm like let's do it legit he's like no no no there's so much money to be made in this legit he's like doing it the way and he can he says he's not going to last long like he's an idiot like he's literally going to last maybe a year. Okay, who wants to do that and get, you know, and go to prison over it?

He's like, there's so much money here, Jason. We can retire on this. We can live a life that we can't even spend off of doing it legit. And I'm like, okay. Well, Zach never had an intention to do it legit. Right. I mean, Zach's another fucking Vinny, if you want to be clear. Anyway, so Zach is at this point is like we got to,

we got to figure out all the ends and outs of everything. I got to, you know, tie up all the loose ends. So he brings in the one guy to start understanding the in-house suspensary. He wants to learn everything, get a copy of all the paperwork, understand how it's all done. So he's getting coached by somebody who's been doing it for Vinny for a minute. And then Zach's working on the business aspect, end of it, okay? So I'm going to financially back everything.

So because Vinny's not going to pay him. He's going to screw him just like Zach took that out of the playbook and did it to me. So what we're doing is, is Zach's learning ends and outs. The main issue of it all is not opening the clinics, getting the license. It's the pharmaceutical companies. So the pharmaceutical companies just don't want to deal with anybody. So writing the scripts and seeing the patients barely make any money. They'll pay the operation, but you're only going to make 6,000, maybe a little bit more profit off of that, maybe a day, not even, something like that after paying everything.

So it's, you know, it's good money, don't get it wrong, but it's not like paying clinic money, like pill mill money. Right. So all you literally got to do is like back in the day, so people think like the George brothers, Chris and Jeff George, were the biggest. They're the founders. It's not because in early 2000 was Oxy80s, okay, oxy's 80s and hundreds or whatever. And there was pain clinics back then. Remember they shut all that stuff down? Then they went online pharmacies. Remember online pharmacies like 0406, 07, like we're huge where you can go like order stuff, paying medication, anything from like Canada online pharmacies that were people start them in other countries

and then like you can order it and ship it to you. And then they shut all those people down, gave them a bunch of boatload time. So then pain clinics came back into play again. So it's just a playbook of revolving door. Right. And they told me, like, back in a day, it was so easy. Literally, you can go get a storage unit for an address. And then, like, fill out the LLCs and do all this stuff and get a doctor's number and literally get medication sent to a storage unit.

It was, like, that easy. Like, they didn't even regulate it, didn't even care. There was no nothing involved. So all you had to do is find a location, get a location. All you got to do is set it up, like, looking like a medical place if you wanted to. You can just half-ass do it. It doesn't even have to look like a real, doctor's office. And all you have to do then is get a doctor to sign his license onto your

practice onto the business name and your business. The DEA will come in. They'll look at it and be like, oh, okay, they sign off. So the actual DEA sends somebody there to inspect your clinic to say like, okay, it's, and all they're doing is just see if it's a legit location. That's it. Make sure it's not a storage unit. That's why I use the storage unit term. Because so many people were setting up fake things with a thing just to get medication sent to an online, you know, an in-house dispensary. These are all loopholes that later came out about Purdue Pharma and the Sackler family. So they lobbied Congress. So the oxies and roxies were never going to be passed because of the addiction rate was so high.

And they were trying to, you know, alter, you know, the numbers, you know, make them fake to say that like, I might be exaggerating. Let's just say like it can't go over 2% of addiction. You know what I'm saying? And it kept going over the percentage. I don't know. I can't remember the scale. So they kept lobbying and lobbying and can never get it done. So they finally lobbied the guy that actually has to sign off on it.

They knew he was coming up to retirement. And this is like 10 years later of them trying to get it passed, 10 or 15 years. They've been working on getting this pill passed. So they gave him like a seven figure or eight figure like job with Purdue Pharma. Like, you know, like saying, hey, when you're done, when you retire, come over to us to consult and we'll pay you millions and millions of dollars. Right. But you've got to make sure you. you know, whatever. So he signs off on it. So the pill gets proved. So people are like,

oh, the doctors need to go down for this and this and that. Well, let me explain something to you. So Purdue Pharma knew that this was going to become an issue. So they lobby Congress to make this so easy for us to open for one. Hungry now. Now. Now. What about now? Whenever it hits you, wherever you are, Grab an O Henry bar to satisfy your hunger With its delicious combination of big crunchy salty peanuts Covered in creamy caramel And chewy fudge with a chocolatey coating

Swing by a gas station and get an O'Henry today O'Hungry O'Henry Okay, so they made it where it was pretty much dummy-proof For anybody, especially a known drug trafficker like me With the DEA on me Being able to open up clinics and somebody like Zach.

So we didn't have no medical experience. We didn't even know how to hire doctors. We're going to get in that. It's pretty funny. We didn't know nothing about this besides working at a pain clinic for probably six months. You know, we were invested in those pain clinics out for like six months

with any of them. So what we did was is we got the building, got the process, and then we found out this guy named Lewis Fisher that used to be an ex-D-EA agent. And he worked for the pharmaceutical part of the DEA. Which Purdue Pharma, here we go again, Sackler family, lobbied him to become a consultant for their firm to, so he's ex-D-EA, so he's got pooling in the force. Right.

So they got Congress exempt in prosecution, changing laws for them, and exempt them from prosecution. Why would they, why would they want Congress to exempt their family? Like, why do you think none of them gone to jail? They've only been sued civilly because if you look into it, they were a huge fine. They paid a fine. But how do we know the fines even paid? oh yeah i don't know how do you know the fine like they're so big how do we ever get to see records that they pay the fines i mean even if they did pay the fine it's a lot vastly different than going

to prison yeah you know if you if you're worth a billion dollars and you have to pay a fifth or a hundred million dollars like that's nothing no it's not so you know so they did all these things set it up for them to make all this money and everybody else because i say i did the time they they pay the fines right um then i don't know if you notice cvs walgrain's right aid if you notice they keep getting in trouble for the same thing. Well, apparently they must be exempt, too. I've never looked into it because if you're noticed, every time they get in trouble for doing the same thing I did, they pay $60 million fine, $80 million fine, $200 million fine.

It doesn't make sense that if you're making $500 million for you to pay a fine of $50 million. Like you see what I'm saying like it's the, there's no, I'm saying it's worth it. Yes. Do you see what I'm saying? Like it's worth it. Yes. So, you know, people are asking all the time, like, but Jason, you knew this was a bad thing.

this and that and everything else but it's just like that it's like but the government says i can do this yeah it's unethical like i'm watching it destroy and i'm watching this but i'm like the government is like saying like no this drug is is legit like you're allowed to do this they're giving us a license allowing us to run this operation do everything so it's like yeah i get it i'm a drug dealer i watch people crash and burn all the time and it's like yeah you know but the government is saying that you can do it so i'm like what fucking idiot wouldn't want to do it so i'm like you know like okay i'm in I'm like, you know, I'm just going to have to put my feelings off to the side, whatever, just like I did when I sold drugs. And explain, like, you know, I just blocked my mind out.

I don't know how to explain it. It was something like I didn't want to think about all the bad. Right. And so we get all this stuff going. And I wish I'd have known about all this about Purdue Pharma, but of course, none of them are going to tell you. They just tell you like, you know, money. They just put the green signs out there. and so we got a location

now we got to find doctors right so we're doing this without viny knowing and i asked Zach how are we going to get patients like you're going to start talking to the patients at the clinic he is no i don't want to because i'm scared that they'll go to viny and say sent to viny or somebody there and then he's going to screw us and we're not ready to go on our own yet we don't have all the stuff that we need yet i'm like okay i get that he says but i got an ideal he's like the george brothers think that they're just god and they think they're just like you know like they're going around and bullying other people, throwing bricks to the other people, acting like they're the godfathers of this and like they control it. Nobody else can do it.

So the George brothers ran a large clinic called American Pain in Florida. That's correct. Well, you and I know that, but people have know that. So they have one that's like a, like a Walmart super center. Yeah, yeah. So Zach was like, you know, like they're idiots. Everybody was talking about like that's the dumbest thing to do. Like the best thing, Zach's like we're going to open up 10 small ones.

They see 100 patients that don't look big. big and crazy. Right. You know, why do you want one building where you're seeing 500 patients at one building and it looks like a damn Walmart super center of, you know, like it just doesn't look good. Like that's not a good model.

And the patients cause problems. They cause a lot of problems. You need small amounts. I mean, to run an operation correct and right, 50 to 75 you can run a good little operation and run under the radar. But when you do something big like that, everybody was trying to stay away from.

They're only ones that were doing it. We don't know why they were doing on that level. But they were going around and like trying to extort and any patients went to another clinic. They got mad and they would call them up and threaten them everything else. And Zach was like, listen, he's like, I got something for these clowns. He's like, they want to call and cause problems over here. He says, we're going to steal their patient list. I'm like, well, how are we going to do that?

He was like, we're going to hire a stripper. We're going to go hire a hot-ass stripper and we're going to pay her money to go and steal the patient list. What's so funny is, you know, Derek, obviously, has told me. that he's like, you have to understand. He's like, we're hiring strippers, bouncer, like, if he's like, if you looked at our staff, like, there's no way you think this is legitimate. He's like, these are strippers that are, he's like, none of these are medical professionals. He's no matter what, we put them, dressed them up, they got tattoos, they got.

So we found this hot chick, big boobs, something that we thought would fit right in on their crew. Right. We already knew how to do it. So she starts working there and starts to realize. I can't pull this off. Too many eyes, too many people looking, you know, it's just, it's not doable. So, Zach had, was dealing with this guy named Pete Tendell.

He ended up going to federal prison too for doing the same thing. He owned all the portable MRIs. Did you ever hear about him? Yeah, he, yeah, and they were giving them kickbacks. Okay, so for the portable MRI. Yeah, so he had these 18 wheeler semi portable MRIs, like 18, like, legit and he would put them behind strip club parking lots strip clubs so i'm like why strip clubs he says because strip clubs are open all night he says he runs them 24 hours around the clock so during

the daytime if there's people lined up at the semi rig nobody's paying attention because there's so much going on and at night time the strip club's got people coming to going on and he parks in the back so it looks you know normal it's not like this industrial park area and there's just like nothing going on and all of a sudden there's this big line and all these people hanging around this semi rig like what's going on so at the end of the day it was actually a brilliant idea deal in the way of what he was doing because I thought he was running a legit business and I'm like dude he's cleaning out he's making money like this dude's got it going on he's got all the pain clinics coming to him he's getting kickbacks he's getting everything we'll come to find out

once we went to trial he had like three or four or five MRIs that he would just sit there and act like he's sending them off and then everybody he had like these like blueprint MRIs that he would just stamp out to everybody like they just messed up not even taking doing the MRIs I don't even think he's doing it. He's probably got like some little radio. He puts on like, like some noise being played. Like I don't even know the truth.

I heard that it was all fake. So. Because Derek said he was telling people. People, guys would come in without an MRI and he'd go, look. You know where the strip club is down there? Go down there. Here's the guy. Here's how much it is.

Go down there, get one and come back with that, with it. And according to Derek and most of these guys that I've done the stories for us, they're like, nobody doesn't have a problem with their spine. Like almost anybody, if I went right now and I have no back problems, it's going to show something. Yeah. So going to Pete, they do.

To say that nobody had back problems, every witness they put on my stand, they all had back problems. They all had, we're going to get into how that whole story played out. But if you went to Pete, even if you did or you didn't, everybody got the same arise. Everybody's going to have a problem. That was the whole gig that I didn't know. I didn't know about none of this stuff. I learned about it later on.

So he went to Pete. and offer Pete a stake of our clinics to give us to advertise to every patient that comes there. Zach? To Zach, yes. So Zach went to him. Zach went to Pete because Zach sent all his people to Pete, you know, to get him rise. Okay. And so Pete was like, I'm in.

I'm in. I want it. And he's like, well, I want the George Brothers patients. Give me everyone. And he goes, I'll have them all handwritten to you in no time. And I figured what we're going to do, we were just going to call them and just say, we have a pain clinic open. Okay, so we, I'm out there building out the place, making sure everything's going

good. He's still running down south, taking care of all that stuff. Pete starts to catch, not Pete, but then he starts catching wind, and him and Zach start having it out, and he kicked Zach out of the operation and screws us out of the money and everything. So, but I didn't care. I had plenty of money. So I was like, listen, don't worry about it.

Let's just finish what we got going on. Let's get this operation rock and rolling. So now it's time to hire doctors. so I'm 24 I think Zach's 23 at the time I'm oh I don't know I didn't realize you were still this young yeah I got hit by the feds at 26 oh my god okay go ahead sorry that's ridiculous yeah I mean I had my first million in cash before I was 21 probably so I um by like 24 we're um trying to figure this out and it was just wild so we're sitting here like okay where do we get hired doctors um so we put an ad on craigslist we've heard that like people

are having good luck finding doctors on craigslist so like we put ads on craigslist and we had like tons of doctors like hitting us up so now we're having to figure out how do you how do you hire doctors like how do you ask questions like you know it's all fun in games until you have to hire them actually like sit down and have an interview like okay uh we've never been to college uh we don't have no medical background um the fact that you just said we don't have no would probably key off a doctor saying we ain't got none we ain't got no medical we didn't got a man so we had to figure out like how do we lie we got on google and we started like Googling all this stuff up to like come up with a speech and like just started getting

some like terms and understand knowledge and so the first one went pretty decent we scored it the second one we scored and then after that we quit hiring them off of craigslist and we started going to a headhunter you know doctor headhunter we whatever, but they're so expensive. Like 15 grand average, 15, 20,000 per, like, they charge the finance doctors. You tell them what they're looking for, and they interview them and do everything for you. Right. So we didn't have to do anything.

So because it started getting to where they were asking, like, looking at us and we're young. And, you know, it started getting the point of like, we're going to start losing doctors. Right. Like, this is going to become a problem. We don't want it. So we were like, dude, let's just drop the 15, 20 grand and let's just have them hire them and do everything else. So now it came to the point to have the higher staff. Well, we wanted not to be like the Georgia.

brothers we didn't understand like how they went about so of course you know 23 24 years old what do we do but a ad on craigslist want job for 18 dollars an hour as a you know working in the medical you know field or whatever as a secretary this that and everything else send pitcher send a photo send a photo imagine how that go over today so these girls sit these photos And we're like, no, no. Swiping left. So we're going through them. So we tell them to come in.

So we had this clipboards, mates. It was me, Zach, and Mike, we had his clipboards and was like, okay, like, face, one to ten. Tits, ass, whatever, personality. So it had, like, all these things that we're asking. So we'd go through them and be like, okay, one, six, whatever, we'd score them, right? So whoever had the highest scores, we would bring them back in to give them a job or we would, you know, redo them or whatever. We hired our girls out of way. So we, like, had all these, like, nines and tens working there.

Of course, it was just the worst mistake we ever made in our life. Right. You know, because you go in the talk to Zach, and I'm sitting on the table just like you are to kick back in the seat talking. And the next thing he's over there, just like, whatever. And some girls under the desk giving them, you know what. And she's supposed to be working. And it's just, it would cause so many problems, like to the point where they're taking tips, bribing, you know, just robbing, like, you know how they are. They're just, it's out of control.

So we hire these girls. We get the operation. We get everything going. The DA comes approves us. We get everything going. Now it's time to get the patience. So what we do is I walk in to Zach and all them sitting in behind the phones calling and there's like, hey, this is American Pan. just letting you know your next visit is going to be in Jacksonville.

If you show up to the clinic in South Florida, you'll no longer, we'll discharge you, you no longer go there. So we made this clinic just for out-of-state patients to save you 12 hours because it was six hours from, you know, Florida State Line from Georgia to American Pain and back is 12 hours. Right. So we're going to save you that trip and we're going to save you the trip and we're going to save you the harassment of the cops, you know, like whatever's going on, it's

what their spill was on the thing. And do not call, do not do nothing. This is, you're going to be your next appointment on this date. And this is when you're coming and do not go down there. Do not harass because we're trying to give out-of-state patients come to Jacksonville. And the reason why we picked Jacksonville is we didn't want to compete with everybody down south Florida. There was too much going on down there, too much inside, you know, fighting. They were all just arguing and competing with the same people.

And we're like, dude, all the money is in out-of-state patients. Like, that's where it's at. So we're like, well, Jacksonville. Hillbillies. Yep. So we're like, we're going to go to Jacksonville. We can charge them more of a visit than the locals. We can charge more for the pills because they don't want to go to pharmacies or nowhere else.

So we're like, we got this. Like, we're going to see less patience and make more money. That was the whole plan. We're going to do this by the books. We're not going to do nothing stupid. And I walk into this, them saying this shit. I said, Zach, I said, what are you doing? He says, man, we got to get patients.

I said, I thought we were just going to call them and say, hey, you know, we opened a new thing. Just alone saying, hey, we're going to save you this trip or this and that. They're going to come. and he was like nah fuck them i want to make a statement and i'm thinking like this is going to come back and bite us yeah so everything goes good we get approval first day we open we got a line wrapped around the building first thing the morning i'm like dude this is crazy so um first day nobody none of them patients show up where to american pain so they're calling i'm like hey where are you at you're showing up you're showing up and they're like yeah we're at your other clinic in jacksville

And they're like, what clinic? And they're like, your clinic in Jacksonville. And they're like, what's the name of it? And they're like, Jacksonville Payne. He's like, oh, okay. So they call the next one. They do the same thing. And they're like, what the fuck?

So there's audio recording of all this stuff where the George brothers are like, who the fuck is these people up there? Like they're going off. I want to say it's in some of it's American Greed, but I got the recordings through the case or whatever of them like screaming and yelling about us and everything else. And so they send Derek's cousin up the very next day. So it was like Chris, Derek, and a bunch of them come up the next day,

and they send his cousin. He's young. But he comes in, and Zach's ex-wife was working at the front desk. And she was a doctor shopper too with Zach and did all. So she understands the game and how it works. She's overseeing the girls make sure the money. My ex is in there kind of like watching and make sure what's going on. Because we're kind of understaff and there's so much cash being laid out that you want

somebody to oversee this like you just it's all cash operated and we'll get into that so they he comes in and alley was like something just isn't right like he doesn't look like he's from here he has an accent he's lying about a lot of stuff like he doesn't have like patience with him like just nothing pans out so me and zach are in the office and she comes in she's like hey um somebody's fishy out front like this dude is something just doesn't add up and he's like bring him in so he comes in me and Zach start drilling him and he's like uh nothing's lining up and Zach's like hey dude I'm just going to refund your money today and you know like I'm just going to discharge you he's like okay that's cool so I like I like I'm going to follow him see where he goes so I he goes out the door

I follow him down the sidewalk and start walking down the side of Cassad Avenue and there's some dealerships right down the road from us so a car pulls out at s63 Mercedes pulls out and I watch him get in it and I see the window roll down it's Chris looking at me and I'm thinking like damn dude they could get me right now I'm a little ways away like they can fuck me up like i know they're not happy so i get back to the clinic i hurry to get back down and i sit and i grab my gun out of the glove part right on my car and i'm like hey zach like i come they're coming get your gun dude they're coming like they're not happy before i can how do you know this is chris george you've seen these guys before i've seen before yeah we've already had problems with them i've

already seen them everything else we've already had run-ins with them um like i told you i do my homework on people like once i know what's going on i want to be aware of what's going on because you got to realize like when i was in the drug game i wanted to know as much as i could I had a DEA on payroll. I had a lot of the Sheriff's Department. I had two Coast Guard agents. The FBI has been to me twice since I've been home wanting me to still turn on the cops and who they are and stuff like that.

So I had a lot of pool, a lot of control. I could find out who's who and what was going on. And so I already kind of knew about these boys and what they were about and what they were doing. So I get back in the clinic, I'm like, Zach, dude, this is going down. Like, this is for real. You know, like, they're coming. Like, he just gave me that look. Like, yeah.

So before I could even finish the talk. they literally pulled up to our front door a range rover and that Mercedes did and all four doors pop on both of them and they get out and there's like eight of them and they come storming into the clinic and they're like you know like I don't want to see all the words but sort of cussing us you know like you're going to give us 50% of this business or we're going to burn it down are there patients in the patience everything this is right in front of everything it's going down in front of everybody like it's probably three or four o'clock not even probably three o'clock in the afternoon. It's full house. Everything's going on. And these boys just busts in the

door and start threatening us, everything else. Zach, before they came in, Zach jumps the counter and goes in with the girls behind the thing back there with his, his, um, Tupil. And, um, so he's sitting back there, dude, and Chris is arguing with him through this, like, little barn door. You know what a barn door, too, door, right? Yeah. And so he's like arguing with him and da-da-da-da, talk about I'm going to burn this thing down, this and that. So other dudes are like, look at me. I started, like, laughing at them. Like, this is, like, this is. is kind of like funny and i'm thinking like dude these i've heard stories about they're gangsters they do this they do that they're tough i'm thinking like we're gonna have some fun with them

you know i don't think they know i have a a pew-poo with me but we're gonna get it so he so derrick funny you say derrick derrick looks at me and says who fuck you laughing about i just kept laughing he says i got something for you and acts like he's gonna dig for something so i pull it out and i'm like what's up man put your hands away from that dude what are you going to do and i got it to his head he's like man you can't do that you can't do that I'm calling the cops I'm calling the cops and you can look at the police report I got it on my link tree um so he um so they I pulled the cut on these dudes and I put it to his head and then he wants to talk about I'm calling the cops I'm like dude what do you mean you're in here extorting us

dude like you're gonna call the cops now like I'm like I'm gone he's on the phone with the cops talking about this guy just pulled a gun on me in this doctor's office and he can't do that and we need cops here so I dart out the door I'm gone I get in the car and I leave I let them deal with it. So the cops are blowing me up. I'll refuse to answer the phone for an hour. So my girl calls me, he's like, hey, they're going to you know, it's going to cause you more problems. Like just all they want to do is run the serial numbers on that thing

to make sure it's good and that's it. Everybody's already told everything like, you know, all the girls, everybody here's already said what they've seen. They don't want nothing from you. So I go back and that's all he wanted to do is run numbers. But then we had to stay there because I didn't realize nobody knew that they had a federal investigation under them. So the local

cops wouldn't even allowed to ask a question. So as soon as they got there and they figured, it out once they ran IDs and found out they had a no detain on them and so I've done a whole story on the dude you know what a no detain is right do not detain yeah I understand but so so there's a there's a there's already something on file saying do not detain those two like don't arrest them for drugs don't do anything to them because we have an investigation you're going to fuck it up yes yes yes so people don't understand the only thing they can arrest you for is when you unalive somebody I was but I thought they did get arrested they did because the fed showed up

And they got charged because the feds allowed it. But the state wasn't allowed to do nothing. So they're just holding them. So they're holding them. They held them for like, it took them like five or six hours for the feds to show up. So they finally show up and they do their investigation. They seize their vehicles. They go to jail for extortion and all kinds of stuff.

I don't remember what the charges were, but they went away for it. Then they were trying to sue us and putting lawsuits against us and this and that and threatening us with everything. And we're running our operation. Things are running, you know, running smoother or better. It wasn't like a month or so later the feds. shut them down. Right. So I want to say something. So you said it was Derek's cousin. Yeah. I think it was his brother. You sure? I'm much positive. Okay. I'll check. We'll check. I'm almost positive. Because I'm almost positive because I remember him telling me this exactly what you just told me. And I remember his,

if it's the same one, by the way, because it might be his younger brother. You might be right. Yeah. Yeah. Because I remember him saying he felt bad because he's like, his brother was coming to visit him. The George is called Derek. This is what we're doing. And he was like, I'm with my brother. I'm like, fuck he's like look I'm going up here you don't have to go and his brother's like I'll go with Derek's line I heard the recordings because they had they had the recordings at the place oh okay and Derek was

the one that went in there to Chris and the whole thing where they were cussing about us and everything else and he's like I'll go up there and take care of them and blah I've heard the whole recordings I got a lot of recordings I remember anyway what he happened was he took his brother and he said like when his brother got arrested he was like fuck like

what have I like I can't fucking believe like this kid's never been in trouble yeah he's like he's a good kid he's never been in trouble what i just do yep so that's the part i was trying to yes it's so long ago a lot of these stories i i get my timeline messed up sometimes because you got to remember a lot of stuff's happened in my life and this is all in a couple years yeah and the main point of it is is they knew what they were doing that's why i put the police report out there because even in the documentary american pain zach tries to take credit for all this stuff and you know everybody wants to be a gangster until the handcuffs come out yeah um so the thing is all i'm trying to do is

cleared up. So like I said, I put all my stuff out there, you know, my docket sheets, all my stuff, anything I can. Because I want the story to be clear so people can't say like, oh, everybody tries to take credit for everybody being gangsters and stuff. Well, I was just say the other thing you had said was bricks, them throwing brickster winners. I remember, and that's, I'm sure that's true. But I also remember at one point they got ball bearings and a slings he would pull up. He's like, because you could go really far away. He's like, and you could pull the, and sit in the car. You know, you don't have to throw anything. You can, and they And he's like, these things would be like, just blow out the windows.

They shoot out the signs. But that's some coward type stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like, I mean, it's all kind of semi. It's just, it's like childish stuff that they did. It's like you're, how much money is enough? You can run this legitimately and make a ton of money. And honestly, you can run it legitimately, make a ton of money and still end up in prison.

Our first day, we made $25,000 profit first day. Okay. Second day, we made 50. We kept doubling it. Within the first couple months, we were literally bringing in about, which we were open up clinics so fast. We were getting out of the locations. We had more doctors and we knew what to do with. Are you having problems with the local businesses and the police? Not right this second. We were open up so fast. I mean, within months, we had three clinics

up and run. And Jacksonville became a problem. And I'm going to explain why. So everything's growing so fast. Jacksonville only had six designated parking spots because it was like a building that had a bunch of things, you know how they had the little parking spots. So it became an issue. So we didn't even have the parking spots for the staff. So now the extra neighbors are getting mad because they're parking in their spots and everything else. So then became an issue where the guy across the street started renting his parking spot, you know, renting out his parking lot and had somebody out there and he's charging. Right.

And he's making good money on all these parking spots. Like everybody around us starts making money off of our operation. Right. So at the beginning, they wasn't mad. We were really trying to fix the issues. Like whenever somebody had a problem, we went and dealt with. that we talked to them and really tried to make the neighbors happy

because we knew that was going to be a problem. Yeah. So, you know, you hear the stories about Zach and them saying like, all you did was just sweep the parking lot, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, yeah, and I told my time, I guess the parking lot,

sweeping the parking lot was a good thing to be found not guilty. Because when the night ended, everybody just wanted to count the money and leave. Like everybody that wanted done. Like I was the guy out there going around to everybody else's parking lots, you know,

cleaning up all the trash, making things, you know, overseeing all the other stuff. so nobody cared about nothing besides the money it was just like money just literally started making the money and it's just like the recklessness just went to the roof it all started out let's do it right and then it was just like oh if we can make fifty thousand dollars a day can we make a hundred thousand so then it was like let's let the drug dealers come in so then i started finding out that a bus chris leg it's all my indictment brings a bus with like 30 40 50 people on from kutucky ohio chris leg Legis leg. Yeah, Christopher Legg. So he's running what? He's running like a pillability operation where he's bringing over.

From Ohio. From Ohio. I've never heard. So he's bringing a bus down. I heard like Kentucky and, uh, and what are the other ones? Uh, so Virginia, Kentucky to East Tennessee was the big one. All the way from Ohio. So he's bringing a bus down and he put, he made it like a church thing.

Like a church. And he's, they're wearing church shirts shirts and stuff and there's like 50 people on it. So I find out. about it. I approached Zach. I'm like, what's going on? Do like, what, why are, he's like, oh, man, I'll get it fixed. So he says he fixes the issue. But meanwhile, what he did was, he just told him, hey, you can't pull up here with a bus no more and bring all your people and drop them off. So they were going down to a hotel. And then he were like having a taxi cab or certain people bring the, you know, a couple of patients out of time down. And that's how they

were doing it. So they were hiding at the hotel. So then I found out about all these other ones and I started to discharge him and it started causing problems. And this is where Roland Castellanos comes in the play. So everybody that Zach went into, went to first to offer money that wouldn't give them money. Now everybody wants to give a money. Everybody wants a part of the stake. Everybody wants to be in. So now Zach feels like he's high on the hog. Everybody wants to give him money. And I'm supposed to have a percentage of every business be involved. Is he still on drugs? Is he still ? Yes, Zach still. But not at this point, Zach's not, Zach's not, Zach's not, Zach's not, Zach's not, Zach's not, Zach's not. You see what I'm saying like. Yeah, yeah. So he can function.

He's a functioning addict. He's a functioning addict. He's not one that has to have it. seven days a week, stuff like that. So, you can deal with that. Yeah, I can deal with that because all my buddies

were that way. Most of my successful guys I sold, you know, drugs too were functioning addicts. Yeah. Very successful. So it didn't really bother me.

And now everybody wants to come in. Now they're wanting it to like, you know, don't worry about Jason. I want in. I got all this money. So all of a sudden these two dudes showed up with a briefcase

handcuffed to him and open it up and it's like a million dollars in cash to like to expand the operations. And we're going to get into like doing all takeover and like do our own MRI. machines and do this and do that and all this other stuff and they're like sending money like not even asking for it like here's the money we want in so zach starts like i notice he starts pulling away from me because he wants to look big in the eyes all these other people now his dad wants

involved everybody wants involved and he's allowing drug dealers he's finding ways to like get away from it so now i'm thinking like this is my time to get away from this like i don't want a part of this and um so we're opening up all these other clinics the operations growing we're going to shut jacksonville pain down because we bring in rolling um from south florida which is a corbin wants to buy in one of the people that has a pain clinic down south but a small one that runs real good we're having problems getting um in with all the pharmaceutical companies they just won't deal with anybody like pain clinics are so simple but when you deal with these pharmaceutical companies they're they know that this is going to go down we didn't know this they knew it's going to go down

They have a, they have a, they have, they know if for a, for a population of this large of a population, we should be selling this much of this type of pain. Correct. And when they're selling 60 times, correct. What they should be selling in this population, they know there's an issue. So for order for us to get a connect to these pharmaceutical companies, they have to get rid of somebody else. And I'm going to explain the reason why, because you just said it.

And I was going to explain it. So the DEA controls the pain clinics and controls how many pills these pharmaceutical companies are allowed to make. So there's a handful of pharmaceutical companies that are allowed to make this medicine. So they're going to say company A can make a million. Company B can make $7 million this quarter. And this company, C, over here, can make $3 million this quarter. Okay. And it varies because next quarter, they might get to make a lot more.

I don't know why or how it works, why it does. but like you said if they only allow certain area zip code states whatever it is only get so many medications pills themselves too so they have this regulation thing

that they work on to keep it doesn't look like if there wasn't 90% of the pills would only come to Florida and then the rest of the country wouldn't get it because the the FDA only allows the pharmaceutical companies to make so many pills for the whole nation

and they don't want all the pills to just go to Florida So they make it where Florida can only get so much. So we're having a problem getting enough medication because medication is where the money is we made. We buy the pills for 40 to 60 cents. We sell them for $3 to $4. So you think of the profit.

And writing the scripts pays for the doctor's operation, puts a little money in our pocket. And it pays for the pills too. So the pills are 100% profit. So that's where all the money's coming from. So we go from that to like within three, four months ends where we're making $4 million, profiting $4 million a month. so we're literally printing money now we're at a problem where the banks won't even deal with us like yeah i was just going to say they wouldn't they start what they wouldn't want to

take the cash holy shit this is crazy so within the first month our first bank is like hey um like we walk in with this money and we're walking in every day and they're just like having to shut like freaking out the people are freaking out and i'm thinking like dude i'm like i thought of the business do cash and they're like cat no we're not like cash not like this. So they're having to like shut down a part of the bank because they're worried and scared of all this money being counted and stuff, right?

And we'd spend an hour at the bank. So we'd have to schedule appointments. Within a week or two of every time after we start making so much money, they would be like, hey, can you come in and take your money out of our bank? So we're like, what the hell? We go to next bank.

Weeker two later. Hey, can you come get your money, please? What are they giving you? A cashier's check? Yeah. Okay. Well, at least that you're able to open the next bank account with the cashier's check.

But then within a week or two, they're like, yeah, no, it's all the cash. Well, guess what? To this day, every bank that told us a leaf, I'm not allowed to have a bank account. I'm banned from every big branch bank. And I don't even have a fraud case. What? The only bank I can deal with is a credit union and a chime. It's only two banks.

And if you put, if I, if the bank, if I'm affiliated with you in any way, you'll get banned from that bank. My mom had did something one time put me to get transferred and she got banned just recently. It's funny you say that. We literally have a friend, I don't want to say his name, but he has a huge fraud case. He's never been able to get a bank account. And recently, he went and applied at a bank where his mother had a bank account. And he thought, and I think I have this right, he thought, you know, let me go apply.

You know, let me go see. And he applied, opened the account, boom, close it within two days. And then they closed his mother's account and all of her accounts at the banks too, which she had bent that bank, by the way, for like 25, 30 years. and he was like so I don't I don't even understand why they yep because there was a connection there because they feel like you're going to use that bank count to do something with it which is ridiculous you know especially you know whatever and this guy's on federal like you're doing almost nobody's doing anything on probation so what we learned was um how

to get around this a little bit where we didn't have the problems or it was the feds just saying hey allow them to keep bringing the money in don't kick them out because we want to take it is we noticed a trend as soon as we got a brick's truck to come pick the money up every day because we were worried we're scared thinking like dude we're walking out of this clinic like it would take us forever to count the money like we'd have a money machine if this table is same size of yours we'd have it filled up with ones five's tens this whole table probably six to eight inches tall the whole table with money just stacked every day and when we're counting all the money and so we would literally walk out of there like looking you know we have guns on us and we'd have like i would somebody

go out first you know make sure looking around the seat there's anybody close enough and then we'd park the vehicle right at the door to get in the vehicle to get out of there and the next day we'd take it to the bank because they would want to schedule an appointment for us to come in to count all the money and the next thing that we started getting worried about because we had a higher security because I haven't got into this part about security

like you literally have to hire security to babysit the patients, the money and the pills because I don't know if people don't know the pills come through FedEx and CVS FedEx, UPS and something else another carrier they have like literally just show up on a cart Like the truck pulls up, the box trucks, and he's throwing these boxes on his little dolly and like,

ching, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, and all the patients are like looking. They're all like scratching and you can tell they're getting all excited and they're like, the drugs are here, the drugs are here. And I'm thinking like, why don't you just grab a box and run, you dummy? Yeah. Like, it never happened. I couldn't believe it. So me and Zach are like, dude, we got a higher security.

Like, it's just a matter of time. Somebody's going to come up and steal all of our medication and screw us. And we can't get the medication. It ain't like they can just print some new ones. And then the amount of money was just unbelievable. Like, how did nobody rob us? I still this day can't believe it. So we hired security and that bit us in the butt because they're in trial.

They're all like, oh, what kind of business needs to security and this and that? And then the security guards got a hot dog stand set up at the place, like selling hot dogs and stuff and like making it. It's just a racket. You got people written out parking spots. You've got hot dog stands at the place and stuff, you know, allowing all this things. You got the girls accepting tips. so rolling comes in and fires all the hot girls because they're all like they come in and somebody pisses dirty or whatever here's 50 bucks you know pass me and they pass them then it's like hey i want to be bumped up i don't want to be here all day so then the girls would bump all these dudes up pre you know like $100 i'll bump you up put your file on the top well then the next person walks out $100 and now the guy that paid first guess what 10 minutes later he's all at the bottom again right and he paid it so now you got dudes wanting to fight mad wanting their money back exposing it so then i have to get in the mix of it And I'm like, so Roland fires them.

Zach gets mad, re-hires all the girls back. Rolling fires him again. He's sent there to clean up the place, get the pharmaceutical connects because he was connected with them. So once we got the pharmaceutical connects, Zach smacks rolling in the mouth over something. So Roland quits. And I was like, this is my opportunity. So I call up rolling. I'm like, pull over.

And he's like, where are you at? And he said, I'm about 45 minutes away. I said, pull over. I'll meet you. He says, I'm not. I said, I got an opportunity for you. So he pulls over and I said, listen, let's do our own thing. Like, I can't, I don't want to be a part of this.

Right. I don't want to, there's so much money in this. I didn't sign up to go to prison for free. Like, my name is on stuff. Like, I don't want to go to prison for free. Like, when I was in the drug game and the powder, like, literally, like, I'm hiding in the shadows. I don't have my name on a billboard, a license. I don't have my name on this.

I don't have my name on that. Like, I'm hiding in the shadows and alleyways. You have deniability at least. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, I don't want to do it this way. So anyways. he says, I'm in.

So that's when I started, you know, to do the same thing, make my outs and go on my own and start building my own empire and start doing my own stuff. And by then the George brothers got hit. And then a month after that, then he got hit. Because when the George brother got hit, we were like, oh, we already know why the George brothers got hit. I mean, we heard all the corruption, all the bad stuff.

Like a lot of stories they say is false. Once you get into their paperwork, they were doing some shady, shi-shasty stuff. A lot of behind-the-scenes backdoor stuff they were doing. And so we already knew about that. Vinnie, we already knew Vinny's days were numbered. I mean, he was just allowing anything to go. Like, he was just so reckless. So we didn't even question that one.

The George Brothers, we questioned a little bit. And then I want to say a month or two after that, they hit our Jacksonville Clinic, shut all them down. And I already had my other operation started in Atlanta. And so we hired attorneys and we were like, what the hell? So that morning, Zach calls me. We already had a falling out. Zach calls me.

He's like, hey, man, use your card yet? I'm like, I haven't. He said, I tried to use my card this morning and it says declined. And I went and looked and it says that was a negative $1 billion. And he's like, so, you know, whatever. And then he's like, you know, they just raided the clinics, right? And I'm like, no, I didn't know that. And he's like, yeah, they raided the clinic, seized all our bank count.

So literally, I had all my money in the bank because this was all legit. I went from having tons of money to having $300 in my pocket. Luckily, my business was up and running and they seized all my bank accounts up there. Every bank account that I was ever tied to, they took them all. how this all happened at the same time you said you already had your the Jacksonville one got hit you already had the one in Atlanta yeah so it got hit at the same time we hit three of them no the Jackson Atlanta one didn't okay they only hit Jacksonville okay so we had clinics and other locations already going till they only hit the three in Jacksonville how long did it take for them

to jump on okay so they were investigating those but they were building the case the Jacksonville the northern district was building the case so that's a different district up there So they didn't hit those up there. So what they were doing was building a different separate investigation up there to tie them all together. So they allowed them to continue to operate. So they shut these ones down but didn't arrest us. So we hired attorneys. I paid $100,000 for a big time law firm to go and take my case.

They went and met with the feds, came back and we're like, you're screwed. You're going to go to prison for a long time. You need to take a plea deal. And I'm like, like, what did I do wrong? They're like, oh, well, no, listen, when the feds come and say, they're going to take you to prison you're done you're hit you're going to prison and I'm like what do you mean at this time I still don't understand like I'm thinking like like local state stuff like you know state I'm like I take everything trial and I beat everything you know like what are you

talking about I still this day didn't have a clue what the feds meant so and I wish to this day that I had somebody to explain and that's why like on my on my social media pages I do more about how the feds work and telling my story not about prison type stuff because people need to be educated about when the Fed say they're coming and they got you, what does that mean? Yeah, they're going to find, they got you. They're going to find something. Yeah, they're done. Even if you can sit here, just like you're saying, I did everything legit, I did this,

it doesn't matter. They're going to tie you into something. Or they'll get three guys that, once they lock you up, they'll just get three other inmates to sit on the stand and say, he told me, he did this, he told me, he did this, he told me. And they're going to figure it out. They're going to figure it out. And if they can't, so I didn't understand it.

I'm like, you know what? So I was complaining to my attorney that I used down here in Florida, a young chick. She was like 28 at the time. She was one of the baddest attorneys down here, up and coming young, a little blonde. And so she took care of all my drug stuff down here and was, you know, overseen all my guys and just absolutely just beat the breaks off all the local cops all the time. So I was complaining to her and she's like, man, just give it a chance, blah, blah, blah. I don't, I don't mess with the feds. I don't like mess with them. I don't deal with them, you know, blah, blah, blah. I kept complaining. kept complaining and I kept running my operation and they told me the attorney told me straight up he's like Jason he have two options he says you can shut your other operations down and give up right now and just wait or you can continue to operate and stack as much as money as away as you can he says because no matter what you're going to get the same amount of time he says what I was told he says you boys are going away for a long time he said so you do what you want to do he says he was hinting to me like if I was you I just keep rocking and rolling and put it away make sure everybody taken care of. So I took the hint and I was like, you know what, dude, if I'm done,

I'm done. Let's just rock it. So we were on like overdrive. Let's just do what we can. So at this time, I had already got back in the game. I financed a big operation out of California moving anywhere from 500 to a thousand pounds of green back this way. It had a bunch of other stuff going on, other businesses, got into a hydroponic fertilizer because we were in the growing at this time. So I had a lot of operations going on, a lot of stuff. Money coming in and everywhere. I mean, my last year, that very next year, I was guaranteed to make clear $9 million, up to $12 million, depending on if everything went smooth. I was going to make, you know, close to $9 to $12 million bring home after paying everything. But you're still

just waiting for the feds to grab you? I'm still waiting for the feds to grab me. Did you, did you, had you considered like, I mean, are you doing anything to hide where you're staying? No. No. Okay. I didn't do anything. And the reason reason wise, I'm going to tell you, I got great advice from somebody really good and was like, listen, Jason, don't do anything that's going to, like, think you're going to run, escape, it's going to hurt your deal trying to get a bond with the feds. Don't do it. They already know where you're at. They know everything about you. Just continue, if you're going to do it, just continue to keep doing what you're doing and just do what your plan is. Whatever your plan is,

is hide money or whatever it is, you just keep that business to yourself. And this was a conversation at a gas station. One of my dad's buddies did time with the feds, and he had heard at my clinics, and he'd been waiting to meet me. If he didn't want to come to my house, he didn't want to call me. He bumped into me one day, and he's like, I've been waiting to see you. He's, I'm going to tell you how they work. He says, they're going to, they build their case against you first. He says, when they come to you, they already got you. And I've still don't understand what he's talking about. He's like, what they're going to do is, usually what they do is they watch you long enough to figure out who you're buying is and you're selling to. They want to

know your whole operation before they take you down. He says, and they won't take you down until they know where all the money's at. He said, that's just how they work. He says, once they feel like they know where all the money's at, then they'll take you down. He says, so they figured out, they've already got a mathematical equation. He says, and this was a pretty big drug smuggler in 80s.

He did timing feds. And he's like, they've already figured out what you made, what you kind of spent, and what they think you have left. And he is, what they'll do is, he says, they'll wear you down. They'll let you hire attorneys, and they'll work with that attorney and say,

we think he's got three or four million dollars left, and we're going to let you make as much money as that is possible. We're going to drag this out and you keep billing them because we don't want them to have nothing. Because the feds don't care

about the money at the end of the day. They print the money. You know that. They don't care. So he's like, you know, that. And I'm just thinking like,

dude, I don't believe it. He's, he's never lied to me, but I just have a hard time understanding this. So I'm just, I don't listen and he says,

I'm still operating. We're starting up JJR pharmacies. I'm in this new thing where I'm going to start up 10 to 20, pharmacies all within a block or two from CVS and Walgreens. I'm going to step on their toes.

I'm going to be selling everything at cost just about barely making any money to get them to buy me out for millions and millions of dollars. It's a little thing that I was going to do. I was going to get about 50 to 60 pharmacies going and to where they come to me and say like 20, 30 million dollars, we want you to stop this and we'll buy you out because I had met somebody that did this, had a bunch of mom and pops and CVS and Walgreens came in and he went and sell to them and he was growing and they finally came to him to figure.

like, we want you to stop. Here's the money. So I was like, well, I'm going to do the same thing. Let's rock this. I had plenty of money. So I had the green thing, the hydroponic fertilizer company. I had the grow operations going on. I'm doing this.

I got the pain clinics. We're expanding in that. I'm getting out of the pill mill stuff because writing the scripts, it's got to the point where there's no money in writing scripts. It's all in the pharmacy. Why do I even need a pain clinic anymore? I want the pharmacies. Because all I got to do is just let everybody know that.

I carry that pills. Why do you think Seavis and Walgreens wanted to get into it so big? Because the money is unbelievable. So at that time, all the scrutiny was on writing the scripts. Why do I want to write the scripts anymore? Right. You know,

if all the money's in the pills, then why don't I just own the pharmacies? So I noticed that they were on us. They were watching us because the banks, people were saying stuff. Some of the people up in Georgia had some pool, and they were telling me what's going on. So I'm talking to my lawyers.

And finally, one day I leave the house my next door neighbor calls me and he's like hey man the feds are at your house they're raiding your house right now and the thing about the feds was they'd never ever so in between the first time they raided

Florida and they raided Georgia every time that my ex would get in my vehicle so she was in my S550 Mercedes she leaves the office they pull her over and they were trying to wear her down so they would pull her over and seize the vehicle only when she was driving it and they'd be like you're gonna you know

whatever and you want to ride and she'd cuss them or whatever and i'd come get her go so you know s6 i mean we had an s 55 i go get her s63 something even nice or pay cash for it they would just keep taking my vehicles they only do it when she was driving it my f250 they wait until she drive left her they left her on the side of the road like three times and um so they waited for me to leave the house they raided the house soon as i pull out they raid the house so she's in the house and they're on her you know trying to wear her down raiding the house and they're searching it they got her on the couch and they're all telling her like come come come here y'all guys come in here and she's thinking like what in the world did they just find

so they're in there and they're all in there laughing and then talking giggling and she's sitting on the couch thinking like what in the world did what's going on in there and they keep looking around the corner and they keep looking around the corner and looking at her laughing and she starts cussum like what the eff are y'all laughing about what's so effing funny blah blah blah blah so the cops you know whatever whenever it was a sudden done with they seized like four hundred seventy five thousand dollars I had special furniture made, like, hidden compartments all throughout my house that only one person knew about. And I know the feds didn't get tied up with him for a certain reason. But somehow they have some way of finding that money.

I don't know how they do it. You know? No. They found everything. They literally took a sledgehammer and found all this stuff. Jamie, my ex, didn't even know where the money was at. Okay. So they found like $475,000 in cash in the house.

And what it was is that when I was young, we had bought this, um, I don't know if you've been to the toy store. They have, like, the fifth-sized dildos. Okay. So we went out one night, and we bought this thing. And I was like, there's no way a girl can handle this thing. So I was like, dude, I'm going to pay $100 per inch to find somebody to take this thing. Oh, my God.

Couldn't find him. So we went to, you got to remember I was young. I had a lot of money. We're driving Ferraris, Lamborghinis. We got everything you can think about. Money, whatever. You get bored when you make a lot of money. That age, I don't care what anybody says.

So I'm like $200 an inch. So we could never make a long story. We never found no way to take it. It was in the closet. So they thought she was on the thing. So when they put all of our stuff on the bed like a big pyramid, they put this thing at the top in the clothes. Like it was like an ornament on the Christmas tree,

like sicken out the top to like mess with her. So I mean, they did some crazy. Like the feds, they got a sense of humor. I'll tell you that. So weeks later, we decided we're going to go.

They shut down all my operations, sees all my bank counts. But this time I was smart enough that I only put enough money. From the time they shut down the Florida one, so they shut down in Georgia. I'd only put enough money in the bank to run the operations. Right. The rest of it, I kept hidden.

So they were really on me. They, um, somebody had told them that I was running some big operations. They seized another $3 million in cash from our green operation. Um, so they seized $3 million. They would never seize the green. They always seized the money going out. And I know they knew the, they, they knew the shipments were coming. So how did you know about the, the two money shipments, but not the, the product coming?

Right. And it just showed that, and I asked my attorney this, and she was like, they don't want the product. They can't make no money. You can't do it on whether they burn it. Yeah. But the money, they can actually put it into their escrow thing into, like, buy equipment and fund their operations and do other stuff.

So they'd rather have the money. And I was like, dude, that's crazy. So weeks later, we go to shut the house down because, you know, I got the pharmacy thing going on. I got all these other operations that I'm running. So I'm like, you know what, dude, I'm just going to continue. I'm just over this. Like, let's just get it going.

I go up there to, uh, at this time, I saw I've been arrested. So I get to Atlanta, me and Jesse go up there to shut the house down and to get everything. And I had this huge house up there with all this furniture. So I call my brother from Tennessee because my whole family moved to Tennessee. And I was like, hey, I'm going to give you all my furniture, everything, this elaborate, you know, all this nice stuff. Because I don't need it down here. I'm getting rid of all my extra houses, all my extra everything, because I don't need the overhead.

I don't have millions and millions and millions of dollars coming in a month no more. So I'm like, you know what? I'm just getting rid of everything, just going to live a simple life and just kick back on this money and do something small. keep running my little small operations and we're there that morning we get up we leave to go get a uh-huh and i'm sitting there talking to jessie we're holding the conversation we didn't realize that there was undercover i lived in the culversack there's undercover cops sitting in the culversack in a red f-150 didn't even know because it you know people park in the cul-sack did other houses you know what he's sitting in there we didn't even pay attention we're just too busy you know you're

not thinking about that going down the road we pull out and there's like this tall head And there's a driveway in a tall hedge, and there's a car backed up in this driveway. And I'm talking to Jesse sideways. I'm talking to him. And what caught me was is when we went by, I just seen somebody pick their head up real fast. And it made me, like, look back. And he's like, looking, you know what I'm saying? And I can see, like, hurry and got on the phone or something.

And it was a walkie-talkie or something. He got on a radio. And I was like, Jesse, dude, I said, something just weird happened. I think we're being followed. And he's like, man, quit tripping, quit your name. I said, dude, I'm telling you, I think we're being followed. So there's a gated community on this one. road and you know how you got that where it goes in both sides with the gatehouse and using pull

yui before it so we like pull in and do around and that car goes on by and he doesn't look he just drives normal he's like man i told you you tripping we pull out that car's turning around i said i told you they're following us so we noticed this other ones we started shaking them we're trying to shake them left and right trying to shake them left and right we can't shake them we realized by them we're like we got a tracking device on this thing they ended up being 17 unmarked cars trailing us that morning we went to the um we finally we pulled up to to a red light when there's one here one in front of us one behind us another one and they're just driving normal they're not even looking at us they're just driving like they don't even know us

just driving so we're like by now we're not even talking we're just sitting in the car and we're just sitting there just like that's speechless sick feeling in your stomach you know it we just know it's going to happen so we go to u-hall and i can't even think i walk in the u-hall and there's a line and this lady blonde hair lady skinny pregnant stand right behind me and i'm on the phone talking to somebody and the uh-huh he's like yeah we're sold out of all the big ones and i'm like okay so walk out and i'm still on the phone and i watch and as i'm walking out i noticed about five cars down i see this head to pick like this out of the windshield of a car because she was like in the windshield looking like this looking down at me and i was like damn there's another one right

there and i watched the pregnant lady go down and get that car and i'm like dude the pregnant lady behind me in there listening my phone conversation was an agent too right so i'm like holy shit, I'm like, Jesse, dude, let's just go back to the house, dude, until we figure out what we're going to do. We get pulled over halfway, and the agents couldn't pull us over, so they had a state trooper pull us over. So they had us on the side of the road for hours. So I call my Florida attorney Brooke, dude, I'm like, they got us. I'm like, dude, it's going down. Like, it's bad.

She's, like, texting me, like, fuck them fat pigs and tell them to go get some donuts. Like, dude, my attorney's gangster, dude. Like, she's gangster. You get her room, she's like 28, the tiny little blonde. And she's like, tell them to go get some donuts. I'll ship something to her. and she's going in them fat you know pigs blah blah blah and i said listen if you don't hear from me i's like you know they got me and i'm like they want to search the house and she's like

anything in the house that said no she's like well let them search it so we drive into the house i take for around take a pitcher 17 unmarked vehicles all different types and then the state troopers at the last one escort me to my house and we're driving we pull up they search the house are going through it the main DEA guy the head guy is like helping us call all these other company's looking for a U-Haul. And he's, like, call on, and we're holding a conversation, just talking, cutting it all up and everything else. And then all the agents come around, and the one was like, hey, man, he's like, he goes,

y'all were pretty good at driving or something like that. And it was like, yeah. And he goes, how'd you know that we were following you? I'm like, oh, Elvis over there because he had these big Elvis job. I'm like Elvis over there. I said, boy, he's, I said, he must be a rookie or something. And I was like, you know, like, well, how's that? I said, well, he picked his head up like a deer and head, like, oh, there they are,

they are, like a little kid. and they all started laughing and picking on them and they're like and I was like yeah and the pregnant lady right there and I said and the black lady throwing her head back in the win I said can they be a little smooth I said you need you send them back to school or something

we're all cutting up laughing so the main agent's like okay y'all are done they're like yeah we're done they walk out so the main agent's the last one walk out and he walks out he's like hey you all have a good day blah blah blah closes the door I mean Jesse look at each other I'm like oh my god dude this is just getting crazy right day

and he opens the door back up and he's like hey forgot something I'm like what did you forget he's like you two he's like you're all arrested for drug conspiracy and money lodger staying up put your hands behind you back what a dick what a dick he handcuffs us from the front and i start walking and then when i look back at jesse and then he takes his first step and he falls out like goes down and they have to pick him up and i'm like oh dude this is bad dude he fainted yeah he fainted oh wow i feel better about myself now at least i never fainted so i'm like dude this is bad dude so we get put in and this is the crazy thing about it

it Matt like they hit us like county jail to county jail to county jail and my my video about you know the phones can get into any phone goes viral every time and I tell people all the time dude they think that these phones they can't get into them to lie they can break into any phone um I tell people at the time there's an there's a story not very long ago probably about five six years ago now I might a little bit longer about the um fresco bomber out there the terrorist bomber or something out in like California where they went to apple and they went and break the phone and then they hired people to break into it. I'm like, you can Google it, dude.

There's so many articles out there where they break into these phones. So with AI now, they'll find a password in no time. Everything has a back door. I'm like, if you all want to keep believing that, they want you to keep using your phone thinking you're safe. These apps, look at Telegram, what happened to him. The whole thing is if you really dive down in deep, it's because he wouldn't give the DEA or the government,

the back door to them spy on people. So what they do? They lock his ass up. Right. So this whole thing about they can't get into your phones is a lie. I watched them with my own eyes. Literally, it was like, I said iPhone 6, my other ones, because I can't remember the dates. It's 2011, so it was the thing it was iPhone 5.

And supposedly he had better technology backed in, everything else, because they have all the AI and all the crazy stuff. I watched them from my gel, from the intake holding cell, plug that thing in. The agents brought this thing in, plugged it in. Within five minutes, they were in my phone strolling. Strolling. And they were reading that message. and they were all like, oh, fat pigs and stuff, like, going on about it.

Something like, damn, dude. So they left me in that holding tank. Wouldn't let me shower. Wouldn't let me do nothing and just moved us from jail to jail to jail until my first court appearance. And Brooke is such a gangster. This is what I love about her little gangster ass.

Dude, I've never heard a story about this. So literally, we're holding in the cage. So behind every courtroom has a holding cage. And you know this. Literally, the door flies open. All these attorneys come flying in. Who's such and such? Who's this?

Who's that? Da-da-da-da. I'm like, I mean, they're like, well, we don't know who you are, but Brooke Butler just paid for all of us. Vetted all of us, found the best legal team. This is like, I remember her words that one guy was like, this is something you see in the movies. So she had called and found out and was like, if you were in trouble, who would you hire? She found out who the best attorneys were, and then she wanted to build a team.

And the reason why she was wanting to build a team was for my security and my security only to find out who was going to cooperate and who was. So attorneys work with certain people, but they won't work against each other. You have to fire them to work against each other. So she built a team. I got young thugs attorney, Brian Steele. So she found out Brian was one of the top attorneys. And so she made sure I had the best attorney out of the group and was like, if you're in trouble, who would you or who you work with the best and, you know, wherever their code lingo was. So she built a team for everybody, hired her attorney.

She says, whenever the first person drops, she says, they're going to have to get another attorney. And that's we're going to know who's dropping and who's cooperating, who's not. she says i built you a team to know every play of the chess right so at this time i still didn't understand what she meant and um right off the rip what do you think happened somebody somebody one of the attorneys i'm not happy with my attorney i got to hire another one i'm just not happy with them meanwhile they didn't give me bond right away so they gave me bond on the second appearance and they give you o-o our bonds you know the feds don't you know pay or whatever give over our bonds so anyways make a long story short my attorneys were like we've never seen somebody on a big case like this drug conspiracy get bond really like something just isn't right so i get a probation officer because you get a bond probation officer and she even tells me the same thing was like dude like i don't understand like how are you got a bond like i don't

something end up happening i used to have to go to see her once a month she's like i don't want you come into my place no more i'll come to you and she'd always come inside to talk to me she's like yeah we're not talking outside because they have like she's like they literally have the microphones they can listen from a distance right I don't know if she was crazy or what, but this is what she told me. And she would go inside and talk, and she's like, I don't want you to go nowhere by yourself. She's like, I like, I like you, Jason, and I can tell you a good person, but I'm telling you right now something's big going on. Like, she was hinting to me. My attorneys had told me the same thing. And I later learned to figure out that I get the jail phone calls, and I'm going to explain those in a minute.

So I go a month without being an indicted. And I think I go another month or something like that. and then all of a sudden I'm running my hydroponic fertilizer company and I'm at a strip club eating lunch and I'm in the back getting a lap dance so the squirrel's dancing on me and my phone keeps blowing up what the hell dude like keep putting in the thing and then it looks and it's my ex she says hey you just been indicted in Florida to my stomach just drops and this girl's like grinding and I just kind of like

lightly I think I lightly pushed her but she went face first into the wall down the doing her face and everything and I just remember like standing up and I I can't breathe I got caught mouth and just like holy shit dude like I'm like this just got serious and I look at my buddy serious before no what I mean I was indicted I well I had a fight to get bond on the first one right you had to know it was coming I knew it's coming but when you get both it starts to sink in like I'm starting to learn how the feds work in between the first one and now this one in this couple months. So I look at my buddy. I'm like, dude, we got to go. Meanwhile, this girl's getting up and she's like in my face poking me, dude, slapping me and stuff. Like she's mad,

cussing me all the way through, going to the bouncers. And I'm just not, I can't hear nothing to nobody. I don't know what they're saying. And I'm like literally just like stumbling to the door. My feet are getting heavy. My stomach. I get in a van. I'm like, dude, just drive me home now. I'm on the phone with Jamie. She's like, hey, the attorneys want to know when you want to turn yourself in. You know, just give a date. And I'm like, just, Just tell them Monday morning. I'll be there Monday morning. Like, just get a dream.

And let's go to Disney World. Let's do something. Because I'm not going to get bond. Like, you're not going to get bond on both. Right. So as we're going to the toll off of Southern Boulevard to get on the turnpike, the deputies hide behind the thing looking in their windows this Friday afternoon to see people wearing a seatbelt. So they got a deputy pull us over.

I call and I'm like, I'm going. Like, I got a warrant. I'm done. There's no warrant. So I'm like, holy shit, this is crazy. So we go to Disney World was the worst weekend in my life. Like, how do you go and spend time of your family knowing that I'm probably going to prison for the rest of my life? Right.

So I literally had my head down the whole time, tears running down my eyes when I look at my daughter thinking like, you know, am I ever going to get the holder again? Like, that's how bad it was. Like, it got real, mad, it got real. There's just, it just seemed like every 10, 15 minutes, I'd look at her in a tear, it would just roll down my face. So I turn myself in Monday. And I go in, they have a U.S. Marshal's in the courthouse there. I don't know if you know that too, like a U.S. marshal's office yeah so you turn yourself in um that's where they print you and they take your

photo yeah yeah they print you they do your photo okay so you know and they do the dna swab and i got janet the fbi and i have bruce um the DEA and janet's like hey you're gonna cooperate with today and i'm like no ma'am she's like oh you're not and i'm like no ma'am uh i don't know what i did wrong she's like oh you don't know what you did wrong i said no nobody's told me what i did wrong yet she says oh you're going to find out i'm like yes ma'am i'm sure i'm going to find out and she's like you know like so you're going to tell me you're not cooperating i'm like yes i'm not cooperating that's your job that's something you do and uh i said i don't even know what my charges are or anything like what i'm being charged for yet you like y'all keep just hitting me with drug

conspiracy money laundering but i don't even know what the deal is so she's like she's like she's telling me she's like coming up doing she's like after you know doing all this stuff she's like this close to my face and she's like i promise she says you'll be my bitch where this is over with and I'm thinking like what in the hell listen every FBI officer I've dealt with unprofessional like you can't believe so everyone I'm glad to you back it up because nobody else nobody else had this story and people think I'm lying no no I absolutely so I'm like good cop back cop thing like what's going on like bruise has got a smirk on his face right and she's like in my face talking about she then she she asked me she says you know how much time you're looking at I said no man she

just sniffs me up the side like she's short late she's like oh it's going to hurt. And I'm thinking like, what in the hell? And she tells me I'm going to be her bitch. And I'm like, no, I'm like, no, I'm not, I promise you I'm not going to be, right? So I'm not happy with my attorneys and all this stuff. So I beg Brooke to come on. She brooks like, I'll fight your one case. I'm going to fight your Florida one because my Georgia, my Florida attorneys were horrible. So she comes on, she's going to fight my case. She tells me straight, she's like, Jason, do not pay me a penny. I'm going to do this case pro bono. I'm like, why? She's like, just trust me. But She's a state criminal defense attorney, not a federal.

She's going to fight the federal one? She's licensed in the middle district. Okay. She's only licensed in the one district. Okay. For some reason, I never fought a fed case in her life. That's what I was going to say, because, you know, usually they specialize in one or the other. But I paid all these big attorneys.

So I hired a one for $100,000, and they told me to take a plea deal, and I didn't like how they were. So I hired another one told them I'm only going to give them $50,000 up front. So I give them $50,000 just to go meet with the feds again that tell me that I'm screwed. And they're telling me the same thing. And you take a plea deal. And I'm like, we're not going to even look at the indictment or the stuff before I make decision. Like, no, dude, when the Fed say this, I'm like, I just spent $150,000 just to be told to take a plea deal. Like, this is, this is highway robbery.

Lawyers are all frauds. They're the crooks. There's far few in between. They're actually good. I'd say five to 10 percent. The rest of them are crooks. They just take your money. They get you when you're vulnerable, when you're down.

And they, and they just milk you the death. So I complain to Brooke, Brooks, like, I'll do this one case. I'll do this one for you. I don't mess with the feds, but we're really tight. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, okay. So she gets on it.

She starts fighting it. And they think she's this dumb little blonde. So she's like, hey, they want to meet with you. I'm like, well, I don't want to meet with them. She goes, no, we're going to go meet with them and see what they want. They're going to ask questions and we can figure out some details from them. And Brooke, her best, one of her best friends is a public defender, the head public defender person for the federal public defender's office.

Okay. He's been doing it for like 20-7 years. So he's like, he's going to mentor and come on my case for free to help Brooke, right? Because, you know, friends, you know, whatever. Yeah, yeah, it's going to answer some questions. Whatever help she needs, he's going to help, you know, understand the law. The rules are different in the federal system than they are on the state system. Exactly.

That's all she needs to know is those few things. So I feel confident. I'm like, well, it's better than what these other ones. And she's like, don't pay me a penny. Sooner later, I found out why. And it's going to come out why it doesn't. I'm explaining it. So what happened was is Brooke's getting on the case.

They want to meet. She's like, come on, let's go. So we drive all the way to Jacksonville. So she goes in, she talks to them, she comes out and says, come on in. So I go in, we say that this big table and everybody's there. And they're like, okay, Votrabeck, tell us what you know. I look at Brooke. I'm like, brook.

I'm like, brook. I thought she's like, step out. So I step out. They have it out. All I hear. Because she always wore, like, these short skirts, but she would just like, she'd always like push her boobs up a little bit and wear these things. And you hear them heels, clink, clink, clink, come down the hallway.

And when you hear them thing, clinking, you know, she's mad. So I'm like, this is not good. And she looks at me. She's now points at the elevator like, we're out of here. And she was so mad. She's holding that binder. She's like, they think I'm a clown. She says, I schooled them, though.

The whole time we're in there, she's like, really? Oh, my God, really? And I'm thinking, like, dude, what is wrong with you, Brooke? Like, she's so, like, playing this game. She's because they think I'm something stupid, dumb little blonde. That's 29 years old. I got something for them. And she played this little game of like this dumb blonde.

And it's so funny because during trial, they were like, they looked at it and they were so unrepaired for you. And we just, we all laughed about Jason's attorney is so stupid and never fought a Fed case. And we, and here you are, you schooled us. So I get a phone call one day that I need to get the jail phone calls because Zach has been talking crazy on the phone. So Brooke's like, oh, get them. Don't worry about it.

So we get the jail phone calls. And I didn't have to listen to all of them. I had to figure out what his dad's number was because nine times out of ten, if anything happens in your case who you call it what your parents your family members the closest people too right so anytime you had a new update you would call somebody close to you yes your your wife your girlfriend at the time or a family member is that correct so he would contact his dad and tell him everything and shit he would tell me like dad i'm coming home fuck this i don't even care and every other words that for it everything else so he's like man i don't even care i'll tell him whatever they want to hear

i'll tell i don't care i'm gonna lie say what they want and say i don't care i'm coming home i ain't doing this time. If they tell me to tell you this, I'm doing it. And then the next phone calls talking about, oh, I'm so sick of this judge. I'm so tired. Like, I just want to kick this door down and whip his ass and do this and do that, da, da, da, da, da. I'm, like, who does he think he is and all this stuff? I'm the golden child. He's calling, so they nickname him the golden child, the prosecution and him dead. Like, he's telling on everything and anything. And then he gets on the jail phone call and talking about how he's going to lie. Yeah, but he's also discrediting himself. That's what he's doing. So, Brooke's like, oh, this is so good. Like, oh, man, so now the feds are

pissed. And I don't think they understand what's on there. Like, because it came out later. So, Brooke comes in, she was in Costa Rico on vacation, comes in Sunday night, it's like, hey, I need to meet with you because I told her, I was like, this shit is real. Like, you got to see what's on it. So as we're meeting, her phone's blowing up, she's

putting the thing. And it's her secretary. Next, you know, she comes running into the La Mexican restaurant, right down the roof from her office. It's like, hey, the DEA just kicked your door in. Her door in? Yeah. Whoa. So she's like, I got to go. So she leaves. The DEA kicked her Gilran. Anonymous tip. A letter was supposedly put in a captain, a local captain's mailbox

that her house was supposedly a grow house. So the DEA kicks in. And the agent that raided the house, I'm 99% sure is the one that I'm going on his podcast. And they had said that he even told Brooke, he's like, I didn't know it was your house. Like, come on, dude. Y'all didn't know. So pretty much it was to scare her. They were showing up at her office all the time, threatening her. And she wouldn't tell me. She's like, you just got to trust me, Jason. You just got to trust me. You can't, you know, like, I can't tell you what they're saying because I know you can't shut your mouth. You're going to go get mad and say something. Somebody's going to get back. I got to deal with them. Just trust me that I'm not selling you out. So I trusted her. She wouldn't tell me what was

going on what was said at the house, but let's just say that they wanted her off my case. They were threatening her to the point, too, where she filed a motion to withdraw herself. And then she wanted me to drive her all the way to Jacksonville three hours from my house to get off my case. So the whole way, like, we didn't talk and I just wanted to just strangle her over it. I was just like, how in the world am I driving this? Her to get off my case. So the whole way up there, the judge, you know, they have to say why. And I don't think she really thought that through. So she told the judge that she was going to stay on. I don't think she wanted to answer the reason. I don't think the reason she came up with

because it was months, it was a reasonable time of where she had to have a good excuse because when it's close to go to trial, you have to have a good excuse. Right. So she agreed stay on and she just told me that the stress was just too much and I'm assuming because my girl wasn't working my case too so she would be up at the office all the time doing whatever brook wanted her to do filing you know organizing printing whatever because I'm telling you it was over a million copies like we had a stack of this this high like my discovery was just unbelievable and my ex would say that the fed showed up there all the time and would go in there and she would try to put her ear up the door and listening and stuff and they would in her talking she could never make out what

they were saying and stuff and they would come like once or every other week and harass her about me always harassing her and keeping her crying and upset and everything else so we go to trial and uh we play the recordings of zach he gets up and tells this elaborate story and uh so when it's our turn we play the first recording and when it starts talking about i'm gonna say whatever he's just sitting there and then we played a second recording where it's talking about he's to whoop the judge, and the judge is right there. So time he's talking about whooping the judge and kicking the door, he just puts his head

down, and by then the judge is like this. Listen at him, like, looking down, like, are you serious? Like, the first time the judge is hearing this. By the third recording, he picks his head up, starts laughing at the jury. So it's like smirk and laughing. And the prosecution turns around and looks and says, there's anything else you want to tell me about that I don't know about,

Brooke? And every time there's a smoke break, the prosecutor was smoke, Brooke would go with him. And he told Brooke, because he did tell me this, like we thought for we just would brag about laugh about how dumb you were and how you played us now we look back to how much you played us and how dumb we were because we never prepared for you we paired for all the attorneys not you and here you are you're kicking her ass at every corner of this trial so the moral of the story the reason why I beat the first case it was seven people six or seven people cooperated against me a month long trial and they all pointed the finger at me

and said a story but the jury was not happy with um when they went and interviewed them afterwards and the main thing what it was about was they told them is if you're not if you didn't like what they did you should have changed the laws don't make us do your dirty word for you because the government allowed us to do what we did right the past laws did everything they could do now they wanted to do it so how they targeted us reason why it was a george brother vending us is that how they started was they wanted the top 20 prescribing doctors so they found out who the top 20 describing doctors were and they were like okay well, it's three, three different people.

Right. The George brothers, Vinny and us. So that's how they came after us. And then once they took us down, guess what somebody else was going to do? They're going to be the top. And then they were going to be the people. And so I had a fight my second case, and I was going up to Georgia. So you were found not guilty.

Yes, I was found not guilty. Are you still, are you released on bond? I'm released on bond. Okay. So when I went from the judge that time, because I skipped a spot, when I went from the judge that time, literally, the judge literally when Janet was in her making fun and we walked right out in shackles he was like okay we're going to the same bond as a Georgia and have a nice day that quick

I'm like what in the world I'm like nobody ever gets a bond on two things like even the everybody was just like it was normal my attorney was like um well take that as you're lucky and I'm like no something's not right come to find out from the jail phone calls that I got to is Zach had told his dad he's like dad I don't know what they want with Jason but um he The prosecutor told me he's going to build a case, this case against him. And he's working on another one, and he's going to give him a life sentence. So what happened was, is somebody said that I would go back to my ways or I'd go back to drug smuggling. So they let me out on both because they wanted to give me a life.

So they let me out. To bury yourself. To bury myself. And my probation officer even said, they never seen it. I had full reins to move within Florida and Georgia without telling her nothing. See, normally it's only your district. So, like, I'm in a southern district. So if I leave the Southern District, I have to ask permission.

See, when I was out on this, I didn't have to ask permission. is I've never seen nobody ever have this much freedom. She says, be careful, and I'm telling you right now they're building the case against you. I'm just going to tell you that. And my attorneys, everybody agreed. So I literally laid on the couch and I didn't go anywhere, hardly do anything. For that whole three years, I was out fighting my cases, I didn't hardly do it. I just stayed around the house and just behaved myself because I knew, you know, the feds.

They'll do it. Like you said, they'll get anything. You can say like, hey, every day I'm going to the grocery store to buy lettuce. And they're going to say lettuce means, you know, green. Yeah. And really, it was lettuce, like, for real. Right. And so I tell people all the time, conspiracy cases are about who has the best movie script.

Conspiracy means when two more people come together to talk about committing an unorthal act. So, ghost dope, you don't have to have drugs. They don't have to have anything. All they got to do is say, hey, look, this guy has, he shows $100,000 on the books. He lives a half-million-dollar lifestyle and paint this elaborate story. story is saying, well, how has he come up with the other $400,000? And any jury is going to be like, yeah, he's up to no good. The story is really good.

They have no evidence to fight it. How do you prove your innocence when there's no proof? Right. And so my prosecutor in Florida, I told my attorney, I skipped the part also to which wild is while the jury was out, took him three days to deliberate. Second day, we were eating lunch. They let us go to eat lunch because you have to hang around the whole time. So we go eat lunch.

We're sitting at this table, a little sandwich shop. We're sitting there. me, my mom, and Brooke. And the prosecutor, DE and the FBI are come walking down the sidewalk because they're on lunch break too. Yeah. They stop and like, hey, how are you doing? I'm like, hey, blah, blah.

They're like, he might if we sit down. And I said, I don't. I look at Brooke and my mom, they're like, we don't care either. And they're like, hey, Jason, you know, don't take no. I'm like, listen, guys, I don't have no hard feelings against you. I really don't. I said, I don't have a problem. I said, from day one, you told me what you're going to do.

You didn't lie to me. I said, attorneys are the ones that lie. I don't like that. I said, but I don't have a problem. They're like, well, Jason, Jay Taylor told me straight up. He's like, Jason, I'm going to be honest with you. He goes, I'm a seasoned prosecutor. I've been doing this stuff for a long time.

I've never had nobody ever beat me on a drug conspiracy. And I think you're going to be the first. And he goes on and tells me all kind of stuff. And I look over at Janet, I said, Janet, who's who's bitch now? And she, like, looked at me and started, like, laughing. And she says, we have respect for you. Like, we really thought we put all that pressure on you because we thought you were going to be the one that turned. You were going to be the most credible witness.

Clean cut, family. You had everything in screaming to cooperate. and you proved us wrong. And we have really big respects. You're crazy and you're dumb, but we have respect for you. You'd be the perfect witness too. You know what I'm saying?

Your other buddy is drug addict, lunatic, talking shit. They wanted to target me, and that's why they kept doing what they were doing. They figured that they would give me bond and do all this stuff to get me. Eventually, I'd come around. They wanted to treat me good.

And so that's why they put pressure on Jamie and doing all these things to, you know, to like show we can get to your family. And I never folded. And they asked me, why and I told them I said well I'm you know the my best pleaded was 15 years and it was with cooperation and they wanted me eventually it was going to have to do deep refund jamie and other people in my family and I told them it was a sword I was waiting to die on and that I wasn't going to

do it you wouldn't let me take a plea to without cooperation so I told you I was willing to do life and I told you all that I will do life before I cooperate against family members or anybody that meant something to me and they said we respect that and so I had to fight my George case took another year to go to trial and while I was waiting I was taking money to them in payments right I had was heading up um to Atlanta taking money to my attorneys to pay them you know I'm having to pay them so I'm I'm taking large amounts of cash so um like in the first case Brooke wouldn't let me pay unless I won so when I won I gave her to money right and um so I take the money I'm taking I'm making a money run and I'm driving my F-250 and it's like

four lanes and I do everything on cruise control speed limit crew control i'm in the very fast lane so we're on south side of alana it's just 10 lanes it's five and five i'm in this one i watch a state trooper get on and he starts coming over and i i'm just watching because you know i just don't want him right on my ass you know i'm going to move you know as i go he starts dancing over so i start coming over you got to remember i'm probably a quarter mile or better in front of him and i can see him way back there so i'm slowly working my way over why i watch him start working his way over and getting closer to me. Time I get all the way over,

he's all the way on me. Pulls me over. And he's like, hey, license the registration. And he's like, you know, I pulled you over or something?

I'm like, no, I don't. And he doesn't even go back to his car to, like run my stuff. And he's like, so what's you doing up here?

So what's you doing up here? What kind of business? It's the kind of business is no your business. And I'm trying to say it in the most nice, you know, friendliest way.

Like, hey, man, you're like, you know, I'm just taking care of business. Like, really it's no disrespect I said it's no your business I mean I'm taking Chris well I'm just trying to you know figure out

and I'm like well I know what you're trying to do I'm like he's what's that I see you're trying to get intel for something I'm like why are you asking these personal questions write my ticket or whatever I did and let me go on my way and he starts drilling me more I said listen here dude I said I can't tell you I'm going to meet my attorneys what for I said listen now you're infringing on my rights you can't ask me what I'm going to meet my attorneys and talk to him about

so I call Brooke I said this guy I'm going to meet Brian and Collette I said, and this cop pulled me over for no reason. And he's wanting to know why I'm going to meet the attorney. So he's like, let me talk to him. I said, you're on speakerphone. And so she starts going in with his deputy. So I started, we're having it out.

And he's, I said, Brooke, he even asked me if I have drugs and weapons or alcohol in the vehicle. I told him no. And he still wants to search a vehicle. I'm like, you know, blah, blah, blah. And she starts going in. And he's like, all right, I'm just trying to be friendly. Just trying to figure out. And he's, you know, being shady and this and that, da, da, da, da.

And Brooke is like, being your best interest. you just go on in your business because now you're causing issues. So he's like, you know, have a good day or whatever. And I had $75,000 in the back seat covered up. Right. And that's what they wanted to get to. They knew what I was going up there for. So I'm not no dummy.

So I knew that there was a tracking device on that vehicle. So I found the tracking device. So I go to the sheriff's department. They hand it to the sheriff's department. Like, hey, I want to return this. And the girl's like, um, calls them and this guy comes up. He's like, this is not one of ours. So I was like, Brooke, I'm going to put this thing on a semi at the truck stop and let them track

to St. Cross, she's like, uh-uh, they'll charge you for that. She'll give it to me. She's like, do not do that. They will give you a charge for that destruction of government property. So I hand it to her. She mails it to them. So every time I went to go meet my attorneys, I had to get a vehicle. I would just literally pull my truck up somebody's house to grab their vehicle and just go.

I wouldn't tell nobody on the phone or nothing. I'd just go. Well, after that deal, I went to try to give them some more cash and they wouldn't accept my money. They said, we can't take your money no more. And I knew right in there, I'm like, this is why Brooke didn't set my money this is why Brooks said don't pay she said pay me after

because then they're not interested anymore somebody I'm going to leak it somebody in the law firm contacts me didn't contact me contact me contact another law firm mine and let them know that the reason why they can't take my money is because the feds went to them

and said do you know where Jason's getting his money from And they said, no. And they said, do you know if it's any of the money we're looking for? And they said, we don't know. They said, if we can prove one penny of that money's ill-gotten gains. Money laundering, right? We're going to hit you with money laundering.

They said, but if you make them lose in trial or take a plea deal, we won't hit you with it. So my attorneys wouldn't let me pay them cash no more. So I had to go somebody in launder money, give them 10% of my money to give me a check to take to them from their own out. So I knew then and there. I'm saying, I'm like, Brooke, I'm screwed. I'm screwed her. And she's like, no, no, Brian's still good attorney. just trust me, just trust me.

I've talked to him, blah, blah, blah. So we go to trial. We're whipping them the first two weeks. Just like in Florida, I had recordings of my co-defendants. So one of my main co-defendants had wrote a statement to my attorneys and had a notarise of like, because everybody was going to trial besides Jesse. And Jesse, when I found out he cooperated when he did his debriefing, I got it. And I called him off another phone like, hey, man, because you know, we're not allowed to talk to you.

I'm like, dude, why are you lying? Why are you saying this? I still got to, I got a recording on my phone right now. I've been waiting to leak it. He's like, man, I didn't say that. I didn't say that, da, da, da, da, da,da, trust me. I didn't say them things. I'm like, yeah, but you need to get this fix.

He's like, dude, I'm going to call my attorney, get this stuff changed. I didn't say that. It's not what happened. I'm like, why are you saying that this and that? I didn't say it. And my attorney's like, good, we got this. Now we can get him on a stand. We can bust him up too.

So when Tar gets on the thing, the one that wrote the statement, she gets up there. And my attorneys are not doing nothing, not asking another questions. And like, they're asking a little bit, but not like the stuff that we have. a break, you know, for the staff to, you know, the jurors to go use, you know, a restroom break. And I look around, like, where's my attorney? Because, you know, I'm complaining to my mom and them. I look back and he's not there. So we have a conference room.

Each attorney gets their own, like, conference rooms go back to do your paperwork and, you know, talk, you know, off the record. And we walk, I walk in and it's my attorney and her attorney. And I walk into his attorney tell my attorney, I thought you're going to take it easy on her so she can keep her plea deal. So I went after my attorney. I went after my attorney. I went, if I had them right there on the spot, another attorney got in between and cause a big scene and it was a big deal like we had to have a motion hearing over it and they

kept them on which is crazy um they wouldn't let you fire your attorney yeah they kept them on um we won out of like probably 200 objections we won one objection during the whole trial they every time we object they wouldn't even listen or not basically my attorney's got tired of objecting because it looks so bad i had i did four mock jury trials i paid for four mock jury She probably cost me like $200,000 to do mock jury trials. So I would stage church. That's how we were learning how to fight these cases. So I did these things.

I had juror consultants. I paid another $50,000. Just somebody sit there and watch the juror to help, you know, all that stuff. Like send notes all the time. Get off that subject. Stay on this one. That one's good. Stay off this one.

Like send notes nonstop to the, to the attorneys to know what to do. And I just, I didn't know what to do. I just put my head down. Jesse gets up. They didn't even play the recording. They refused to play the recording. Nothing. I didn't know what to do.

They wouldn't let me find an attorney. It went nothing. When it come time, I knew that they were going to find me guilty. The night before I did, when the jury was out, it was two days, three days. I just knew. Something just told me. And they said they had a verdict. And I remember coming back in.

And all the jurors, when I walked past them, they turned their head, put their head down. And I just knew right in there it was overweight. Because in Florida, as we were walking down to when they said they had the verdict, all the elevators open before that and people started going to the courtroom like so many people i'm looking at brook's looking at me and she's like i think they got a verdict and the lady came out and i just want to let you know they got a verdict y'all need to come in the courtroom and i mean i literally took three steps matt and my feet had like concrete i couldn't move them i got caught mouth my stomach i told her i said i think i got a puke and then i was like i don't got a

puke i'm the shit myself like i got to go to the bathroom she's like you can't i'm like i'm gonna puke i got at a point where i couldn't move they're like dragging me down the thing like they're walking me. My mom and my attorney are walking me. And I remember walking in the courtroom. And, like, it was like I was getting married. Like, everybody turns and just, like, looks at me. It's like I'm walking down the aisle to get married, but it's not a wedding.

Right. So I remember sitting down. And I remember the judge came in and they made me stand. And I don't really remember that part. And I remember I was the first person to read their verdict. And I didn't hear they're not guilty. The only reason I remember I was the way Brooke was crying and hugging me, I could tell it was cry at joy.

you know what I'm saying like she was just hugging me and just crying and like joy and my heart was hurting so bad I thought I was going to have to go to the hospital like people don't realize what life feels like like if I would have known this man I would have never done the things I'd done if I had been told the consequences it's like you did you know I never had any idea you know what's funny you say in this you know how many guys I've talked to you ever hear these guys when they ask them uh would you change anything and the guys are like no man because you know it made me the person I am today. Fuck that.

Just like, I'd have changed, bro. I wouldn't have done, I had no fucking clue the irrevocable damage I was going to do to my own life and other people's lives around me. I agree 100%. So here's the thing I have an issue with is I grew up looking up to all these people and I thought like, damn, dude, like you don't hear the backside and these dudes don't get much time. And the reason why I don't give much time because they know how to play the game.

And so they get on here and tell all these gangster stories. And then once, you know, they don't want to tell you the part when the handcuffs came on that they cooperated on everybody to get no time and then they go back out and they usually do it again. Most of them don't learn their lessons. So I didn't understand that part. So I got into this thinking like, oh, I'm just going to get five years. I tell people all the time, people are like, well, would you change anything? We could do it again. And I'm like, listen, to know the outcome that I got. And if I didn't have my daughter, I tell people all the time, like, if I didn't have my daughter and my age and everything else, no, I wouldn't change it.

I would have done the same thing. I would want a little harder. If I had known that it was going be the same thing, the outcome, I'm like, the lifestyle I got to live, the things I got to do and I come home and still see the guy still struggling every day to do the same thing. Because you got to remember, I had a daughter. I changed it all in the world. But if I had nobody else to hurt besides myself, Matt, and knowing that if the tables were going to come out that I was only going to get 15 years at the end still, whatever, I can't say I would do it differently.

I don't know. But when you, nobody told me I was going to look at life. Nobody told me I was going to look at 30 years or like you, 26 years. I accepted the five But people don't understand Well, wait a minute, wait So you jump because you said You got found not guilty

Yeah So if you got found not guilty What happened? Oh, I went to trial on the second one Okay I was found guilty I was found guilty The jury came back with a guilty verdict

And I was sitting in the county jail I got my PSI And it came back life I had 43 points. I had 38 for the drugs, two for drugs and money. So I got two point enhancement, and I got three for leadership role.

What's that? 43. Yeah. Didn't have no prior history as adults. I was category zero or one, whatever it is. So I called my attorney. Clette answered and I asked her,

I said, Clette, I said, what's this life? She says, Jason, we told you that you're going to, she says, you're not going to get life. I said, yeah, but it says life. She goes, yeah, it's just going to feel like life. She says, you're not going to get life,

but it's going to feel like life. And I'm like, but I don't understand. She says, we told you. So I'm like, okay, I hang up the phone. We go to sentencing. They drop my point, my leadership role from three to two, which they never do. Because they knew that the courts would never give me life and they would leave it wide open. So they drop it to 42 to 360 to life because they're going to ask for 30 years.

And what happens usually when you go to trial? Well, they give it the high end of the guidelines typically. High end. Yeah. Well, in that case, they were probably going to do what? give me 30 and justify by going well you got the low ends of your guidelines you know and be like almost impossible to to appeal do anything because you got the low end so i um i uh they asked for the 30 and the judge said he was not happy with the case it was too political and that he wasn't happy

with how it turned out and he gave me 105 years ran it all concurrent um he gave me 15 years for all my charges and the last one gave me 10 for the money and it came out to i think 105 years 100 or 105, and I got 15 years. 105 months? No, years. You got a hundred and five? I got 180 months for each one of my charges, add them up. Okay, but you, so what?

They ran all concurrent. Okay. As I said, it gave me 105 years, but it ran all concurrent with the 15. Okay. So I got 15 years. And so I was like 100, so they say 180 months. I'm like, 180 months don't sound bad. I'm like, that's 180 days of six months.

I'm like, that sounds bad. So I'm thinking like, man, this didn't work out too bad. I got a thing, and I'm like, oh, this is bad. You started breaking it out on your fingers. I'm like, my daughter's five years old, should be 20, I do this much. I'm like, I'm like, whoa, this is really bad. I'm like, whoa, this is really bad. So the judge asked me, do you want to appeal your case?

And I'm waiting for my attorney to say yes, because, you know, I went to trial. I have a lot of pillable grounds. And she's like, Your Honor, we'll get back with you. I'm like, no, Your Honor, because Brooke told me. make sure you, no matter what, if they're dragging you out of their screen, you want it on record. So this day, it shows it's not on record. I end up getting appeal.

My attorney came in the back and told me, she said, Jason, said, why don't you say I want to appeal? She says, you just need to lay down and do your time. You got nothing coming. I appealed my shit away to the Supreme Court. You know what they all told me? What? You already got relief by not getting life.

Right. Dude, what? That's what they told. me. And I hate to tell you this. I hate to say this, but, you know, in the grand scheme of things, it could have been so much worse for you. Whether you deserve it or not. No, you're 100%. Right. You see what I'm saying? Whenever people talk to me, I'm like, look, if you're guilty, you have no reason to go to trial. If you're 100% innocent, you still have a 50% chance of being found guilty.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like people don't realize it. Like, oh, well, I'm innocent. Yeah, okay, that's great. It's still a roll of the dice. No, no, I'm innocent. No, no.

It's still a fucking roll of the dice. You understand correct. Yeah, I've heard that all time. People are like, people that have went to trial are like, no, 50s. You're giving them too much credit. You're giving way too much credit. Way too much. So I am, what's so crazy about the whole thing is so eight years in, COVID hits.

So Trump passed his first step because I get a year off from that. I come home home, home, get fin him after. years. So I was a home confinement for three and a half years. And then I get a clemency from Joe Biden. So I get another 13 months off my case. So at the end of the day, it wasn't all so bad. I did lose a lot. But I went from life, going to trial on both, winning one, losing, looking at life, asked for 30, got 15, but only did eight. And it's like, you know, it's like I got, I got screwed, but I got blessed at the same time. It was just as horrible as this is. That's a win. It is a win.

It's a win. So I've, I appealed my cases, but I went and appeal them on getting my case overturned on certain things because what happens when people win their appeals and then they go back? Oh, yeah. I've seen that many times. They'll win on the appeal. Like they got 10 years. They went on their appeal. They go back to be resentenced.

They get 15 or 20 years. And you're like, well, because all you're doing is getting resentence. So I'm going to explain to you what happens. So most people take a plea deal. And when you take a plea deal, they usually get rid of some other charges, right? So when they win their appeal, they go back and like, oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. But this time we're not going to get rid of them of the two charges.

Now we're going to stack them back on. And then here's the deal is you're getting hit with all of them. So your points went up. You taking a plea deal last time was what I think. Well, my deal was, here's my deal. I got sent this below the guidelines. Why did they do that? Keep me from appealing.

Yeah. Because there was, there was problems in my case that would overturn big things. And they couldn't take another L in my case because I took the, they took the first L and they told me they would never take another one. My prosecutor told me at that table that day. He says, Jason, they're not going to let you win. He says, you're going to win this one, but you're not. He goes, they're going to keep coming and coming and coming.

He goes, you're going to have to go to prison. So, please, he begged me. I got proof. I got witnesses to the back to stuff. He begged me to take a plea deal. I said, Jay, 15 years is not a plea deal. He says, Jason, it's going to hurt what's going to happen. Please, he begged me, take one.

You don't ever hear prosecutor say that. His name is Jay Taylor. You can look him up. I guarantee you'll back all this up. And so I was scared to appeal my case on certain things because what would have happened? What they were the dumb said, well, listen. and you got blessed. You were supposed to get 30,

so we're going to give you 30 now. Since I've gone out, Brooke wants me to go back on appeal, and she says, there's grounds now. I'll get your case over return, and I'll beat that case. I want redemption.

I want to win it. I know we can win it. But I was like, I'm over, Brooke. Yeah. I'm over. I'm like, do you realize I get 30 years?

She says, yeah, but I can win it. I said, I've done, I'm not rolling the dice. There's no winning at this point. There's not. You already did the time. There's no winning.

There's not. What are you going to get an apology? You can't get the time back. Can't get it back. Yeah. My advice to everybody, I tell people all the time, there's no such thing as getting five or 10 years unless you cooperate. And if you're not the first one, you're going to get the 15 to 20 years.

And I tell people all the time, like you said at the very, where we were talking about, you could be selling grams, eight balls or ounces, and you're going to get charged with three or four keys. And you're like, I never sold, never seen a key in my whole life. But what they're going to do is this person going to say, hey, I've been buying this once a week for two years. What adds up to that? And you're looking at 20 years because you got caught with a possession of green

when you were 18 years old and automatically gives you 851, enhances you to a 20 years, men, man, and the feds. Or what if you have a weapon? You have a weapon, you have a weapon in your closet five miles away. Yes. And get charged with it. So, you know, people need to think about this and understand that, you know, this is not games, this is not the rap videos, this is not movies, this is not none of this,

please think about what you're going to do because at the end of the day, knowing that I was looking at life, I'd have never done it. If I was looking at five or ten, I'd do it all over again. But life, no. Well, I think the problem is, is that people think they are only, you know, kids think they are only looking at five or ten. That was me. Right.

They think, oh, I'm only looking at five or ten. How do you know? You know, that's the problem is that if you sit there and go, how do you know, Why? Oh, because my buddy Jimmy, who stock shelves at Walmart, his brother got five years for, and he was a big time dope deal. You were 15. He was 20. He had his own apartment. You think that makes him a big time drug dealer. Like, stop it. He was selling nothing. You know what I mean? It was a joke. Like, you don't know enough to be giving your opinion to people. Do you see what I'm saying? Like, that's the problem is that people give advice on things that they know nothing about and they convince people that you're barely going to get any time. And the next thing you know, you're looking at 30 years. that's 100% correct and if like i tell people it's um it's all fun of games until they give you that PSI yeah all funny games oh yeah it's all fun of games yeah it's all fun of games yeah i got

my my PSI 32 years of life i'm sitting there going so what people don't understand also too is you see it all the times people get their thing and they're like oh i only scored us many points and then they come with all the enhancements later and then because they take a plea deal for five to ten and then all of a sudden they go to sentencing and then the PSI comes out with three enhancements and it should put you at 15 and you're like yeah but i signed they does matter the enhancements are here now yeah it's like what yeah yeah it's funny uh we actually did a podcast on this when i and in breckinridge with a guy where we were talking about people have no idea like my base level offense for the amount of money should have been six years yeah i got over 20 years

of enhancements and they'll calculate the enhancements in a way that you're like that that that doesn't even makes sense. Like they literally, and I gave this example real quick, is that when they were counting up victims, they counted bank up, I'm sorry, not Bank of America, Countrywide Bank. Countrywide bank was one victim. Countrywide financial services was another victim. Countrywide home loans was another victim. And Countrywide home equity lines of credit.

So that's four victims. But wait, wait. Then for another enhancement, they said, if you. If you've stolen more than $1 million from one institution, you get like a two-level enhancement. Guess what? They counted countrywide as one – they added all those countrywides together and said, that's one institution. And if you add them all up, it's over like $1.8 million or something. I went, but no one institution got over a million.

They were like – I said, you counted them separately for this – for this enhancement and together for this one. That doesn't make sense. That's like double jeopardy. And they said, no, that in my lawyer were like, no, no, Matt, they can do that. So that makes no sense at all. So my whole case during trial, they were like, this business accepted only cash and didn't no insurance, right? So the whole time, we were like, damn, we should have took insurance and everything else.

Well, guess what everybody was doing after they learned off our cases started accepting insurance, right? Well, guess what happens? Insurance fraud. Insurance fraud. So whatever you get charged. So we saved ourselves another enhancement and another charge. because that's an enhancement.

So it's like they're sitting there telling the jury, hey, they didn't accept no insurance. And then when they do, they're like, insurance fraud. Look at the fraud they're doing. So it's like, you can't win with these people. And I'm just like, wow, this is crazy. You know, on Derek Nolan's case,

there was a female doctor that went to trial. Yeah, so one in the book, he's talking about he had a hard time. Keep his swag on going to the box. It's, what's her name, Blackjack? Yeah, yeah. So Derek liked her. so she goes to trial he fried her no no i disagree we can talk about that uh at another time um she wins so she she she beat so she's being charged with let's say two for the sake

of argument two charges one is basically the um the writing the prescriptions right like an author right whatever it was she was writing oxycodone scripts right so they say okay for so you're you're basically charging with drugs you're a drug dealer, you're writing scripts, right, and money laundering. So because the money you're getting for writing the scripts, you're putting into the bank and you're laundering money. So she goes to trial and she wins on the drug laundering or the writing the bad scripts. But she's found guilty on the money laundering.

So how can I be charged with laundering drug money if I'm not found guilty of being a drug dealer? She goes all the way to the Supreme Court. And you know what they said? Yeah, you can do that. That doesn't make sense to me. So in my case, it's all in your jury instructions. So I'm going to tell you, so we got the best jury instructions I was told from so many people. And they use it in a lot of case law.

If you're not, if you're found not guilty on count one, which is the drugs and everything else, you're automatically found not guilty on all the rest of the charges. Because you can't commit the other crimes. And they use my jury instructions for their appeal. know they did. So count one is a drug conspiracy. So once the crime is not, is found not guilty,

you have to find them not guilty on everything else. Okay, so. It seems reasonable. You know, the thing is, is so I have this whole thing of, where people understand is, you know, people understand what money laundering is. It's spending ill-gotten gains.

Buying a five-cent piece of gum is money laundering. You know that, right? Yeah. Because you're trying, now you can have a product that you can sell for five cents and then it's clean money. because you're laundering. It doesn't matter paying bills.

It doesn't matter what it is. It's spinning any of it. But if the money, if you're not charged for the crime in front of it, it can't be dirty. Right. But that's what I'm saying is in her case. But it's just called the corruption in a courts.

Okay, I was going to say, they said, you're right, you aren't, you're not a, that's not dirty money. But you're charging me for money laundering. So it never made sense to me that that. It all fell because of the jury instructions. Yeah, it's, because in mine, it wrote,

is if you find him not guilty in the first one, he's not guilty in the rest of them. Yeah, it's ridiculous. How about later on I come back for another day to touch on something else? We just do something totally different. Bro, if you'll come back for the whole to talk about, we can talk about that and then prison,

you know, which is an hour, hour and a half, two hours, whatever. I'll do that. I'll come back on another day because West thing wants me to come back because my shit's so big. Because a lot of people understand this about the prison with me is I had a hard time. Right. I'm a clean cut white boy.

I don't get in gangs. Right. I didn't get into politics. things, but I don't allow people, these gang members, because a lot of these, I don't know if you know, most of the gang members are hot. Bro, every, every prison I was at, 90% of everybody cooperated. But then they all want to tell you how to do your time. Is that correct?

Of course. So I had a hard time with that shit. So it's like, how are you going to come tell me? Dude, it caused a lot of problems. Like, how are you going to come tell me how to do my, how are you going to check my paper? I tell everybody, listen, the only way you're going to check my paperwork. Is if you've been in the trial, nobody checked my paperwork. To me, anybody that went to trial, you're good.

you went to trial. Yeah. Oh, no, they still want to talk about it. But once I had a few, once I knew a few people, then that shit, just whatever, because you know the weirdest thing about it? You know El Barbie, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was an extra neighbor in Atlanta for a long time.

Okay. I literally walked in his room. It's an American that was a part of the cartel. Yeah. He's only American, Mexican ever to be head of a cartel, the run a cartel, the only time. Yeah. He killed 150 people himself. Okay?

This dude is on Barbara Walters. He's got a kid that blowing her heads out in the back, right? He's my next to her neighbor at USP Atlanta, because that's where my case is. Every time I go back to peel or anything, he's always every in the house. This two is doing prayer meetings every day. And they used to pick on them.

So I have all these cartel guys, this big, this Serangio head guy was there. All of them were there. And here's this clean-cut white boy. Me and Randy were Sellies together. That's, I, every time I, Rain is always there. So me and Randy are Sally's. And Randy loves hanging around them boys.

Here are they, all these dudes are all killers, heads of guys and are all. big-time rats cooperating against El Chapo and everybody else. And then here I am, and I'm laughing and picking on them. I'm literally picking on them. I'm like, dude, you just killed 150 people and you don't pray to me. That's not going to help you. God's not going to help you, okay?

You don't did too much. And they'd be like, man, why boy, you better cut it out? And I'm like, man, I'm like, you're the one of toll, not me? And they would get mad at me. And I tell them all the time. I'm just like, whatever. So I walk in El Barbie's room one day. They had phones.

And they're moving a 500 free shipment of drug from a prison cell. And he looks at me and goes, give me an address. He goes, Biden, Obama. Who was it at the time? It was Obama or somebody was like, he was like, dude, we got, it was 2018, so it was what, right? when Trump's, um, the name was before that.

I can't remember. He said that, he goes, I got so much drugs right now. I don't even know what to do with all of them. Give me an address and I'll ship as much as you want. I said, I'm out of this room. See ya. Because Rainey was in there and they were in there making drug shipments, 500 kilo drug shipments from the sale.

And he's, and he's in PC at every yard. So they finally move in the Coleman, too, so he can walk. walk a yard. They send him straight. So he cooperates against all these big people, right? You think they take care of him? Was the BOP to send Big Sandy? So he's been sitting at Big Sandy's shoe for years. And they finally moving to Coleman, too. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button. Also, we're going to put all of Jason's links in the description box. So you can go there, you can go on his Instagram and all of his social medias and check him out and follow him. He's got some great stuff. Also, you guys, we're considering doing live streaming while we're doing

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