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Starting point is 00:01:00 you know and love, past, present, and future. Subscribe now on your favorite podcasting platform or watch us on YouTube so you never miss a beat. Let's make sense of this industry together. Tarzan is the original owner of Porky's and he says, We should open up strip club here in Panama. The police raided the club. A hundred people are in jail.

Starting point is 00:01:21 Russian mafia, Italian mafia. And I'm convinced I die in there too. I'm a Florida cracker, like through and through. I am a white trash. I call it Jewish white trash Florida Cracker Right. It's funny because if you're from Florida, like you have no problem with that. I have no problem with that. Well, white trash, Florida Cracker, I got no problem with it. It's the truth.

Starting point is 00:01:42 Other people think it's an insult. Cracker's not nice. No, I actually, my mom used to call me a little Cracker. Really? Yeah. Being a Florida Cracker was, it was not. It wasn't, no, it wasn't bad. It wasn't a bad thing.

Starting point is 00:01:55 There were a lot of black folks around you? No. Crackers, cute. But cracker ass cracker? Yeah. Mean. Yeah. Not nice.

Starting point is 00:02:02 Cracker ass, cracker. My father, when him and my mother finally had me, were living in Hollywood, Fort Lauderdale area, and they split at five. I was five years old. He was a wife beater. He was an alcoholic. For some reason, he didn't hit me.

Starting point is 00:02:18 He scared the shit out of me. But I just didn't piss him off the way she did for some reason. You know what I mean? I mean, what could I possibly done? That would piss them off. And in that process, I wound up just living. with an alcoholic. And I grew up fast because we were roommates.

Starting point is 00:02:35 He wasn't a dad. He was just a neglectful. He didn't hit me. He didn't, whatever. He just didn't give a shit with ours there or not. Right. But you're just on your own. I'm on my own.

Starting point is 00:02:45 And so my neighborhood, which was lower white, middle, lower middle class, white, mainly, whatever, it's actually, it's a stone's throw from the hard rock. So if you're familiar with hard rock Hollywood, it's on seminal land. So, yeah, we got one right here. Yeah. Yeah, the Tampa one right here. So it's the same exact thing. And it was, I literally grew up right where that is now.

Starting point is 00:03:06 You could throw a football and hit it. And my father was a Marlboro smoker by cartons from the Indians, literally. And the funny story was, so we would go to- My dad used to the same thing. We would drive down there and he'd get like three cartons because there's no taxes on it. Yeah, it'd save a lot of money. And it encouraged the cartons, you know what I mean? So it's like $20 and he had to chain smoke these fuckers.

Starting point is 00:03:27 And one of the sad things was is I was always in the car. So, like, they would always see the kid with him. You know what I mean? Like, they started to know who we were at a certain point. And I would always get a, they would give me the basket. It was the dumb, dumb lollipops. And if you remember, dumb dumb, they're about that big. It's like, it's not good for shit.

Starting point is 00:03:43 It's a lollipop for like, so it was so great to me. It's like, so I get the lollip. And the tradeoff always was like, your dad's going to get cancer and we're going to give you diabetes. You know what I mean? It was a two and one kind of full thing. Yeah, they're constantly going to have you guys coming back. Coming back. If not even from.

Starting point is 00:04:00 Like, dad, listen, pick up some smokes. I want another lollipop, you know? Listen, my dad smokes so, so much. He didn't need a lighter. When you're smoking so much, you don't need a lighter. There was just always one in his hand. Really scary. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:17 That's a three-pack-day smoker. You take the one cigarette out and you light it with the other cigarette. That's awful. It is all. It is awful. It was three, four packs a day. I, so then you know what he died from, though. Hit by a car.

Starting point is 00:04:29 No, cancer, of course. He basically got lung cancer and died. Yeah. My father, this is not Woody Allen, like, hello, Jewish guy. This was a guy that was overweight due to literally drinking Southern comfort, like it was fucking water. So it was brown liquor, you know what I mean? Fat dude, look like a biker.

Starting point is 00:04:50 Every shirt, sleeves cut off, every shirt into a V-neck, an intimidating guy. War his earing in his right ear for some reason. asked them one day. I said, dad, when I, my friends let me know that that's what, you know, gay people do. I said, dad, uh, you know, my friends tell me that like guys who wear earrings in their right ear only, it's a gay thing. And he says, you tell your friends, I wear my earring wherever the fuck I want. And I wanted it in my right ear. And he was the first thing from a gay guy. And I just, it was a great answer. But it was one of those seminal moments, like, not everyone gets to ask their father why his earrings in his right ear. Right. You know what I mean? A lot of,

Starting point is 00:05:30 a lot of fathers don't have earrings at all. By the way, always had a company car. One of the coolest cars we had was the green El Camino. So when he would pick me up from school, when I tell you about the school, I would ride in the back of the El Camino. I would stand up, like, in traffic

Starting point is 00:05:46 and, like, wave to people. It was kind of a fun little side note of being poor. Because in El Camino is a poor person's car, pretty much, you know what I mean? There ain't none in Beverly Hills. I remember you keep saying the Jewish thing, the poor. I'll never forget. locked up with this Jewish guy and I remember he'd been in prison several times. He had gotten out and he was,

Starting point is 00:06:06 he remembered getting out and he had to go. He's like, I went and he had a friend that was like, bro, I got a place for you to stay. He's like, oh man, thank God. He's yeah, yeah. He said, and he drives me into a trailer and it's a single wide, 1970, single wide trailer. He is, and I was like, bro, I can't stay here. He's like, you don't have a choice. This is, this is all I've got. And he's like, you don't understand. He's like, I can't. He's like, well, why? He's like, bro, I'm Jewish. And he goes, so he's like, this is a white trash fucking neighborhood. He goes, I'm a Jew.

Starting point is 00:06:33 He's, I cannot stay in a single wide. It's at least got to be a house. Yes. At least he's, now it could be a poor neighborhood because it's all temporary, but it can't be. I mean, he's just, he's like, he's like his buddy was just like. But you know, there's, in a packing order, it's kind of the lowest of the low for white people. Right. A trailer and a single wide trailer is the lowest low.

Starting point is 00:06:55 That's like raising Arizona shit. You know what I mean? Which is a great movie, by the way, if you haven't seen it. But the coolest part about growing up in that, I would say there was one positive. And it did formulate a lot for me was I became a pop culture junkie. I'm a trivia guy. I'm a pop culture. I retain a lot, a lot of stuff.

Starting point is 00:07:16 And at that time, we had cable when cable was literally invented. And for whatever reason, we had it for a lot of people. So I got to watch a lot of he would be passed out. I would never sleep in my bedroom. I slept in his room, in his bed, on a color TV, and I stayed up all night and watch cable, Cinemax, HBO, MTV, anything I could. And I just became a sponge of all of that. What about the, the channel with the, it had all the stuff.

Starting point is 00:07:47 Oh, yeah, yeah. And every once in a second seconds, it would be a tent. Every once in a while, it'd be like, oh, yeah. It would be the, it would clear up for just for a second. Yeah. It would be Playboy Channel or Spice. It's funny they said that. So when they got invented and if you didn't order it, it was scrambled.

Starting point is 00:08:03 And it was like that jarble, jarble, jarble, jarble tit, jarble, jarble, jarble, jarble, what was better than that? Yeah. And I'll tell you what, I had a friend, I'll just say Eric, who once I was with Joel the Jew, his family had a lot of money. He had cable, they had cable all throughout. And they actually paid. They were the first people I ever met that paid for play. Playboy channel. And he,

Starting point is 00:08:27 it was a big thing for us. And he's like, wait until we get to channel 111. And it's like, what the fuck is that? And it was the unscrampled. And it's like,

Starting point is 00:08:37 these tits are on here the whole time. You know what I mean? It's like, Eric, do you have this in your room? You know what I mean? Like, it's one thing that was in the living room.

Starting point is 00:08:46 It's like, and the funniest part was his dad was, his dad was definitely gay. His name was M. I don't want to put it on the bus. I haven't talked to people to thousand years, but he wore like the Hawaiian shirts and he had the whole thing, but it was a married couple and he worked, he lived in my new neighborhood and there were some of our

Starting point is 00:09:05 original neighbors, but yeah, he was the first Playboy channel, like, but he had it in his room. He was like a 10, you know what I mean? So that was, that was a great experience, but I'm going to do you one better. My father, okay, so his bed, they called it dust ruffle. Do you know what a dust ruffle? Yeah, of course. So a lot of people don't know what it. So he didn't have one on his bed. Probably too expensive, you know what I mean? And so when you don't have a dust ruffle, anything that you put under the bed is you're going to see. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:36 Okay, okay. So he didn't tuck his slippers there or, you know, he didn't have his, you know, his other shoes or whatever that you would stick there. You know what I mean? My father had a stack of 20 nudie books or whatever you want to call them. And none of them were Playboy. No. Are these like penthouse? Like that's the, that was the, it was like good stuff.

Starting point is 00:10:05 You got to see all kinds of stuff. He's right. So let me tell you, we would have the kids that had like the fort. It was like, we're going to the fort. We built a fort, whatever. And there'd be like a couple Playboys in the fort. That was a big deal. It was like, so-and-so stole his dad's playboy.

Starting point is 00:10:19 And it's like, holy shit. And you're like, it's this big deal, whatever. And I'm like, I see the Playboy. and I'm like flinging it like yeah okay like it was like a fucking science today and uh I said no no no you have to understand I'm gonna bring us some good magazine I'm gonna bring us something better and like you said my father and I remember this vividly because it's a great story it was penhouse it was high society it was cherry it was we it was swank all of them so again remember I told you I read at a high level I read these magazines from page to page I would sit in his room

Starting point is 00:10:54 while he's getting drunk, and I would just sit there unadulterated, but I was reading them. So anything that was an article in anything, I was reading all of it. So, you know what I mean? What did these articles even say? Well, I can tell you that Swank doesn't have many. Playboy had the most penthouse tried to be like somewhat of a thing, hustler. They would put two articles in there, try to show that there's some sort of real, there's some news behind this, where a periodical.

Starting point is 00:11:23 You know what I mean? This is journalism. This is journalism. But that's a great question. Swank didn't have anything. If anything, it would be like dirty poems or dirty letters. And they would always use those very, like, you know, like his meat throbber, you know, would go into my castle. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:11:45 It was always, like, done like a fantasy novel. So I found that kind of funny and interesting, you know, and I loved reading the penthouse letters. You know, the guys. I was just going to say, I was just going to ask. about the penthouse letters. All of those were in there. But you're at the penthouse letters. It'd be like some guy who's a delivery man showed up at a upper middle class, you know,

Starting point is 00:12:02 neighborhood to deliver something and the white and the stay at home, um, wife of some, some lawyer who doesn't pay attention to her anymore is flirting with the guy. And before you know, he's got her been over, you know, whatever. Yeah. A lot of fantasy scenarios. Yeah. These supposedly, these are letters that were mailed in from subscribers. But some are you just like.

Starting point is 00:12:25 Someone's writing that. You just a fucking guy with a cigar. Yeah. It was definitely written. By the way, I would have loved who had a job doing that. There comes a point in life when you realize you need to be more intentional about what you're eating every day. That's actually why I started using good ranchers.

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Starting point is 00:13:36 Good ranchers.com. American meat delivered. How fun could that have been? And then you had the comics, like there was a little fanny annie and whatever and these stupid things. But like, but he makes a great point. Swank had no articles. Yeah. Just straight, smug.

Starting point is 00:13:53 But, and again, the difference in Playboy was, it was, it was, it was cheesecake. It was tasteful. If nude is going to be tasteful, Playboy accomplished that. They would have, like, true crime articles and stuff. And they did. They had the football preview and then the interview. They always had a great interview subject on it. But Swank was literally like just spreading lips.

Starting point is 00:14:13 It was raunchy as fuck. The point of why I bring it up is it definitely, that was like a sexual, what do you call it, Renaissance for me. I started to learn a lot and see a lot. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I had a leg up on, on, on, on a lot of this stuff from these magazines. This was, this was like a textbook at this point. So, and the funny part was my grandfather, rest in peace, my mother's father would always come, obviously a pervert, and he would take me for pizza and baseball cards, about once a month or whatever. And that was my kind of, you know, uh, seeing him. That was my, visiting it with him, whatever.

Starting point is 00:14:54 And he would always pick up my dad's magazines. They would make like an exchange. And it's like, so when my dad got the fresh ones in that would now get under the bed, the old ones would go up in the closet and grandpa Joe would come and, you know, get the closet ones and all that. And my father, I mean, God bless him. He just gave him away. I mean, you know, how nice of him?

Starting point is 00:15:17 And so my grandfather definitely seemed to to be very very. happy that he was going to, I thought he was coming to take, you know, like he was happy to see me. You know what I mean? It wasn't. It had nothing to do with that. He just, it was, it was the magazines. He wanted his magazines and so he would get him. So, yeah, that, that, that was going to be a foreshadowing that I would wind up being in that industry. It's kind of ironic in a way, because I didn't seek that out. So fast forward, my father winds up drinking himself worse and worse and worse. He winds up getting evicted from the place that I grew up in. He's living out of his car. Things just keep getting worse for him. Dead-end jobs, loses the job at Hollywooding and falls apart,

Starting point is 00:15:59 winds up going to New York to be with family there. And by that time, I blew off high school. So then I just decided to go to New York. I wound up working. I did some production assistant work, and I wanted to be a director in this and that. I worked at some video stores, and I really kind of was trying to hone my skills and the whole Hollywood thing, whatever. When I worked at this, it was called Kim's Underground Video. It was the coolest video store.

Starting point is 00:16:28 They had five of them in Manhattan, and it was everything that Blockbuster wasn't. Right. Okay. And we had a portion section there. So it was in Greenwich Village. And if people don't know, Greenwich Village is a very gay section of Manhattan.

Starting point is 00:16:42 But the best, we had a lot of celebrities come in. I met Drew Barrymore and I met Mike Myers and a lot of different celebrities that would come there because again, it was like in the heart of New York City and this and I think Adam Sandler, you know, different people come in there. But one particular guy comes in and he's a pimp and he's dressed up at the whole pimp fucking get up. And I'm behind the counter and I'm just watching this guy and he's got the birds on both shoulders. I mean, it was literally like out of the movies. And I'm watching this guy and he's got six tapes, put some down on the county, like put some down.

Starting point is 00:17:14 He's like, I'm going to pick out six more. I'm returning these because that was the limit that you could get. I'm going to pick out six more. And so, no problem, man, no problem. And we're just watching this guy. And him and these women are reading the box. I've never seen anyone read the boxes so closely, like making informed decisions. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:17:36 Just like pick up the boxes. You know, she looks good. These people were reading them. They spent an hour in there. No exaggeration. It's just been an hour. And they come back. He's got the six movies.

Starting point is 00:17:47 You don't want to, if it's like volume three, you don't want to get volume three. You might, you need to see volume one and two before you get the volume three. It's so important that you see the volumes before it of how we got here. Yeah, the storyline. This storyline. I'll be lost. Yes. I'll be lost.

Starting point is 00:18:05 Clearly. Like, I don't even know who this delivery guy is. Yeah. How does she wind up banging Randy in three? Because she's banging Troy in one. it's such a great point because that's such an important factor to this, by the way. So he grabs his six and I'm looking now, he put him on the counter. I didn't pay much attention to him.

Starting point is 00:18:26 I didn't check him in yet until he had his new six. So it's like, all right, we got to retrieve his new six. We've got to put his old six back in the system. Fair swap, right? I go and I'm looking and I'm going to put him in. I'm noticing the numbers. Everything about him is different. And I'm like, oh, shit.

Starting point is 00:18:43 shit, these aren't our movies. This guy just spent an hour picking out his new part three of Tushy Angels or whatever. You're talking it. And so I tell him, I said, listen, homeskill it, home slice. These aren't ours. So the bad news is, is I can't rent you these six because you still have six of ours somewhere. Right. It was like, you ever seen True Romance?

Starting point is 00:19:11 Yeah. You remember Drexel? I don't remember. Okay, so Drexel was the guy, the pimp that Christian Slater goes right. And it was Gary Oldman. He's like a white wigger type of dude, whatever. Well, this was a black version of that. He was just like, it was a character.

Starting point is 00:19:26 And he's playing movies. Obviously, he's got somewhere he's playing these movies. I'm assuming he has like an in-call somewhere. You know, why do you need, if you're getting six from me and you have another six from another place, you got 12 movies. You're not watching these just as some casual guy fast forward into the good parts. He's got whores with him. You know what I mean? There's a whole thing going on here.

Starting point is 00:19:46 So I'm assuming he had an actual place that he's playing these in the background of. And again, he's dressed in the shrimp, the shrimp, the pimp gear. You know what I mean? The whole thing. And so I say to my guys, I says, home slice, you can't, you can't get these. And he flipped out. And he was like insistent that those six, he wants those movies. And I told him, I said, listen, here's the good news.

Starting point is 00:20:15 I'm going to put him aside for you. Nobody wants to see Black But Seven anyways. You're fine. You know what I mean? I said, but you got to bring those other ones back. If he did, I wasn't on shift. So I never know whatever happened. So that was that.

Starting point is 00:20:31 That was the most fun story. But great video store. Greatest video store. What a great experience. Anyways. So I'm in New York and I can't figure shit out. and this and that. And I'm doing some dumb shit.

Starting point is 00:20:44 I've always done some dumb shit to make money. It was just never, things were never, I could never get a job job. Right. I didn't want to work a job job, job. I didn't have the skills for a job job, job, and I didn't have the education for a job job, and in New York, it's dead end jobs. And the main one was I wound up working with my father, was living my father, at a nursery in Brooklyn. I was a, the job I got there first was a Christmas tree night.

Starting point is 00:21:12 watchman in the hood. See, these folks in the neighborhood would jump the fence and steal the trees. And so we had some nice trees. I mean, a Fraser fur is like $85. You know, this is an eight-foot Fraser fur. You know what I mean? Like, this is worth stealing. And they're going to take it in the hood.

Starting point is 00:21:31 They're going to sell for 40 all day. And so they needed somebody on the property at night to watch over the trees so people didn't steal them. So they kept me in this building. He said, yeah, bring your Nintendo or whatever fuck. It's going to keep you awake at night. Right. Listen to sports radio all night.

Starting point is 00:21:50 You cannot go to sleep. You have to be up. Keep the lights on. Here's an old shotgun that may work, may not work, and a rusty machete. And hopefully you won't have to use these things. You'll just call the cops if they come. You know what I mean? You'll hear the ricketing of the fence because they're going to be jumping the fence or whatnot.

Starting point is 00:22:07 And so I did that for two different years in December. And with that, before I would come into work, and by the way, it was all black folks that worked at the nursery. So I got cool with a lot of these guys. I spent a lot of time in the projects. And there's a good story that's tied in with that. And so I wound up working in the nursery. My father would manage it for, it was the owner was a football buddy of his. And that guy, he was an older guy, had some kids.

Starting point is 00:22:37 And he wanted to be around his kids more. He had young, young children. So he's like, told my father, like, just run it for me, man. I'll pay you decently, whatever. And so, you know, he wound up overseeing this place for him. And so because we were in the hood, the nursery was in the hood, it was all black folks that worked long women, like four people, whatever. And again, we're spraying the plants and we're laying sod, planting trees.

Starting point is 00:22:59 We got unload the trucks of trees. These trees are 100, 200 pounds. This was, like, hard. It was not a fun job. It's the worst thing I've ever done in my life. And so it was fun to do the Christmas trees. So what would happen was every late November, December, now it was Christmas tree time. And this is before there were Walmarts and all these places that sold them.

Starting point is 00:23:19 So you went to a, there was always a private Christmas tree place, whatever. And so I got to selling Christmas trees. I learned a lot about people by how they buy Christmas trees. There's something wrong with people, how seriously they take it. You know, I had the guys that would, he pulled one of the branches off and pulled the needles. and they would smell the needles. And I'm not really smelling this. And I was like, yeah, we're outdoors.

Starting point is 00:23:47 You're not going to smell it. But when in your house, you're going to smell it because it's going to be nice and warm. You know what I mean? And that's when it gives off the smell. I said, trust me. And then you have the people that, so the trees would be on a pin on a palette, right?

Starting point is 00:24:00 If they don't like any of those, they start pointing at the ones like, can you open that one up and open up? So now you're opening 10 trees. They're not taking any of them. This one's got a bald spot. this one's got a whatever. So there was just, and fights, people would fight over tree.

Starting point is 00:24:14 I mean, this is supposed to be a nice experience. And I would watch husband and wives fight over the height or the size or whatever or the type of tree. So again, like nobody gets along for nothing. Even down to that, it was just such a strange thing. So that was one of my odd jobs. So while I was doing that, we had a neighbor in the apartment complex. It was a very small apartment that lived, that, my aunt knew very well.

Starting point is 00:24:40 And he was like this hippie dude, little hippie guy. And he was like the kind of guy that made beads and would sell them at the flea market, you know, and this and that. And we'll just say his name would rhyme with Belliot. And he would go out of town and he would leave his keys for my aunt. He's like, you mind feeding the cat? And he had a sticker on his door for colitis and Crohn's disease. Apparently he had some problems.

Starting point is 00:25:07 and with that he smoked mad weed. Whatever he smoked was very strong because we could smell it throughout the hallways. It permeated the fucking building. And that's why he had the stickers was like, because this was when this is all illegal. Yeah, yeah. But I have a license.

Starting point is 00:25:23 I'm allowed to do this. I can do this. And I don't know if it was real or not, but he had some sticker. He fucking put on the door. Nobody bothered him. There wasn't that many people in the building. And so I told my aunt one day,

Starting point is 00:25:35 I says, you know, I'll feed Elliot's cat. you're at work, let me go feed the cat. And I walk in and that's when I discovered Elliot's layer and there's little joints here on the table, this, this and that. And now I'm looking around. I'm like, where's the weed at?

Starting point is 00:25:52 Right. And I go into his closet and it literally was fucking Santa's sack. Right. It was the biggest sack of weed I've ever seen in my life. It was, it looked like,

Starting point is 00:26:07 It was 20 pounds. And so that to me was like I hit the mother load. And so I, it was called Walbaum's was the grocery store in the area. And so I took tons and tons of it, threw it in Walbaum's bags and just handfuls of it. And I wound up selling it in the hood. And I wound up selling it at my barber shop. It was an all black barbershop on Rockway Parkway. And I told them, I said, I got something really good.

Starting point is 00:26:37 here's some samples for these guys. And I said, I got something really good. And I said, how much of your prices? And I was free. So I'm undercutting the entire market. And I wrote it, this was when beepers and pagers were still a thing. So on the back, I knew that black folks used the term trees for weed. It was a common thing.

Starting point is 00:26:57 So I wrote my pager number and I wrote trees on there, T-R-E-Z. I made sure it was like, cool. You know what I mean? And I left a business car with the main guy at the, at the thing. And I knew that that barbershop alone was going to make me rich. Right.

Starting point is 00:27:11 Because there's like 10 of them and whoever else that went. And again, it was, this was at blue light special prices. And I remember as I'm walking out and the guy, I wasn't writing this if my name was trees.

Starting point is 00:27:28 I wrote it that this is four trees if you want them. And I remember I'm walking out the door and I hear it like from behind me. And I hear like, Hey, And I turn around. He's like, I'm going to call you, man. And sure shit, they did.

Starting point is 00:27:43 And I was selling so much weed that I kept having to steal more weed. And at a certain point, he realized I'm, I'm, there's something's wrong here. Yeah. This is getting, this is starting to deplete, you know. And he can't figure it out, but at some point he does. And I don't know what it is, but I'm on my, my father was had a Ford Explorer. and I'm in it with like four black dudes And we're all just acting a fool

Starting point is 00:28:10 And listen to DMX and Cameron Or whatever fuck it was in New York, whatever And belly it pulls up right next to us at a light And he has the little old astrovan, whatever and all that And he pulls up and I'm looking at him And he turns and he looks at me and he just goes He just shakes his head and disgust And I'm like, I'm not sure what that meant

Starting point is 00:28:34 But that night when I go to return my father's truck, Elliot's astrovan is in the nursery parking lot. And the gig was up. And he tells my father, look, your son's been stealing all this from me. And here's the news. This is not my stuff. This is Colombians that are fronting me all this stuff. And my father's not really the wiser.

Starting point is 00:28:59 He has no idea, whatever. So he's just believing all of this. And he says, listen, and what made me think it's possible was the sheer amount. It was so much that somebody was doing something. This wasn't just this guy. And so he scared us enough to where I decided I wasn't staying in New York anymore. My father gave him a bunch of money. It was really the nicest thing my father ever did for me.

Starting point is 00:29:26 The only thing he really ever did for me was kind of pay off that little debt. And then I said, said to myself, I don't know if it's worth staying here and running the risk of this Columbia thing or whatever. I don't think it's worth, you know, what might be. I don't know if he's lying or not, but I'm not interested in finding out. Right. So that's when I go back down to Florida and the girl that I was speaking with, I wind up shacking up with who I now have a baby with, and I'm 22 years old. This is an important part because this is where I meet Tony and now we'll get into the real heart of what a lot of this is. And so my mother works for an attorney,

Starting point is 00:30:08 and it's a divorce attorney in Brower County. A client of theirs was this gentleman named Tony. She would always call him Tony Boboni. And she would tell me about him. She'd like, you got to meet this guy. You got to meet this guy. And he says, so he sees my football picture on the desk. And he asked her, he says, you know, it says, that's your son. How recent is that? When he says, well, he just graduated. It was like a year ago, whatever. But he's, you know, he's at a high school now. And he said to me, says, I'd love to meet him. And so, um, that was the beginning of going down to Porky's and meeting this guy. My mother set it up. She's like, I think you'll get along with him. You know what I mean? Who knows? Whatever. Porkies is. So Porkies is the strip

Starting point is 00:30:50 club in Highalia that Tony worked at, that Tarzan was the original owner of. I believe you interviewed Correct? Yes. Okay. And so Tarzan is the original owner of Porky's in Hyaliyah named after the movie. He was a big fan of the movie. He probably mentioned anything. And that's how that came to be.

Starting point is 00:31:09 A lot of people used to joke. Why would you call it Porky's? Is it all fat girls there? And it was like, well, actually, there are a lot of fat girls here. Right. So, I mean, you know, it is very fitting. But I came in post Tarzan. So I'm going to get that on a second.

Starting point is 00:31:24 My friendship with Tony was, I come and I visit. And Tony's a pothead. I'm a pot head, and we hit it off. And he gave me a shot at the club. I become Tony's right-hand man at that point. You know what I mean? Like, he's doing his thing. Have you ever actually read what's in your toothpaste?

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Starting point is 00:32:45 dot shop slash inside and use code inside for 15% off your first order. Van Man, real ingredients, no exceptions. my my my my Tuesday turns to Wednesday turns to Thursday turns to Friday and now I have all the days and Jimmy was not a big fan of that I had a lot of problems with Jimmy the other manager he um he tried to set me up and so I remember this Jimmy has a guy come up to me and he tries to set me up and he's like uh you know where I can get some crap and I was like what and uh why would you ask me you know I'm just I'm new here like yeah and so I play along with him I was like, oh, I'll set you up.

Starting point is 00:33:25 I'll make sure I get you somewhere. And then he literally says, he claps his hands. He's like, I got you. You're busted. Well, then they go and tell Tony and Tony, it just falls on deaf ears. It was obvious that it was like this bullshit set up. And you also never caught me doing anything, whatever. So there was nothing to get me on.

Starting point is 00:33:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. And I don't know why he did that. He let it be known that he, you know, that he had gotten me and this and that, whatever. So me and Tony became closer and closer. Jimmy wasn't as who was the main the manager before me They kind of started to fall more out I'll give you a great story We called it the shit trial

Starting point is 00:34:02 Okay so the shit trial went like this Jimmy was a big big heavy guy I'm a big guy Tony's a big guy This guy was way bigger than us And Jimmy On a day that we weren't there He took he had his under He took a shit

Starting point is 00:34:19 And his um He must have shit his pants This was a common problem for this guy. And adjacent to our building, kind of like this square, if this was the building, this was a square, it was an unfinished construction area to the building. The bill's saddle never finished. So there was rebar and all this stuff that was hanging. And it was just an unfinished addition to the building. And Jimmy went to the bathroom and apparently decided he's going to throw his dirty duty underwear into that garbage area.

Starting point is 00:34:50 But he never makes it. and it hangs on the rebar like it's a, a pirate's flag. You know what I mean? Because they're very big underwear. Let's just say it's a 3x. You know what I mean? And it's got like a little Debbie Brownie in it on top of it. So some of the, so we have a dancer and another DJ discover it because that's the weed spot.

Starting point is 00:35:13 It's the side door where if you're going to smoke weed, you put one of the ugly girls up on stage, you put on stairway to heaven. And now she's going to do eight minutes up there. unadulterated, you don't have to change anybody, and you can get high for eight minutes. Because songs are typically three, four minutes. They want to get down. That's not where the money is. You know what I mean? And so...

Starting point is 00:35:33 Put a Paradise by the dashboard lights up there. That's a great one. Or anything by Pink Floyd. And if you really want to fuck a girl over, you put fish. That's not going to be 20 minutes of, like, utter fucking disaster. So, but that's a good call. I got to remember that, the meat love song. Bohemian Rhapsody was...

Starting point is 00:35:52 another good. So, oh, and this is a gods on the phone. We're joking about a lot of them. Hotel California. Yeah. Super long. Great one. So Carlos discovers the undies and he says, uh, he calls Tony's like,

Starting point is 00:36:09 Jimmy left these under these are definitely Jimmy's undies. It had to be Jimmy's ins. And everything was a goof. Everything was funny and whatever. So Tony's like, all right, listen, I need you to save those underwear. I'm calling Jimmy right now. Jimmy's with me. he tells, he says, put Jimmy on the phone.

Starting point is 00:36:24 I says, all right. He says, Jimmy, I'm telling you right now, we got a problem. He says, you're going to lose shifts. Otherwise, I have to do a shit trial. And we're going to find out, I want to get to the bottom. Are those your underwear? Jimmy is, those are those are your underwear?

Starting point is 00:36:38 He says, well, we're going to find out. So three days later, we have what's called the shit trial. We have three of our hottest dancers are the jury. Another one of our bouncers was the judge. I was the prosecuting attorney. and Jimmy was his own defense. The guy and the girl, the dancer that found the dirty underwear, literally made one of those science project three-way.

Starting point is 00:37:02 You know those, when you had a science project, you had to do the three board or whatever the fuck it was. They did it like it was a state's evidence in a courtroom. And pictures of it and this and that, whatever, and a heading and all that, they bring it him. And he tells Jimmy, he says, listen, you have to take a shit. And we got to test it. We're going to send it off to the labs to test the shit in the undies to your shit.

Starting point is 00:37:26 So he's taking it to the 10th extreme, but it's all a goof. The whole point of it was when we would do things and we would talk, Tony was like, this is great for the show. He treated it like it was the office. Like we were being followed by cameras. Right. Everything we're doing was being followed by cameras. There were never cameras.

Starting point is 00:37:41 But everything he did, like, it was almost delusional. He's like, isn't this great for the show? We'd be getting high or fucked up. He's like, this is great for the show. There's no fucking show. But the shit trial was done specifically because he could. He had the power. This whole thing's a goof.

Starting point is 00:37:57 Jimmy's not finding it funny, though. Again, now Jimmy's like a 450-pound guy. He's a big, big dude. And so he says, you got a shit in it. And we had this guy named Leo, who was a customer. He was not a midget, but he was just short enough to not be a human being, but not a midget. You know what I mean? I take that back.

Starting point is 00:38:16 That is horrible. I take that back. I mean, he's just a little dude. he's not it's not chromosomal if that's the word do you know what I mean so he wasn't one of the the big forehead no that's that's called hykandraplasia oh really well because there's there's hot dwarves that don't have that

Starting point is 00:38:35 and then there's dwarves that are just like that's a not a forehead that's an eight head they would call that right so um god bless her man where does she buy her hats but uh so the shit trial so jimmy he says leo is going to test the shit he says leo is going to test the shit Leo, we were told, was a marine biologist. So Jimmy, he says, all right, I'll take the shit. He knows he has to.

Starting point is 00:38:59 Like, his job's on the line a little bit. And so he's like, I'll take a shit. He gets, he must order a sandwich, whatever. It wasn't the styrofoam was the plastic to go's, right? And I see him take his to go. It must have been a tuna fish sandwich in it before. You know what I can see the tuna residue, whatever. And so he cleans it out in the bathroom.

Starting point is 00:39:18 He takes a shit in it. closes it up. He's walking with it with a shit in it. I can see, because I'm in the DJ booth, I can see there's a shit in this thing. And he goes and he puts it in the walking cooler for preservation. And I follow him, and in the walking cooler, it immediately fucking fogs up.

Starting point is 00:39:38 You know what I mean? So you knew there was a real shit in there just from a temperature situation. And I tell Tony, I'm like, Tony, he took a shit. It's happening. Like, we're going to get to test this. So the day of the trial, it's like two days later, or that night or whatever, he takes the shit and we're going to do it that night. And Jimmy doesn't want to be here for this trial. He's embarrassed.

Starting point is 00:40:01 Again, this is a grown man. And I would say he was in his, he was a little older than me. Let's just say he's 39, 40, he's a man. And so Jimmy, he's like, Jimmy got to stay for the trial. And he says, matter of fact, go get your shit. go get your shit out out of the cooler

Starting point is 00:40:21 and he does and so it's like a table it's like bigger than this and the three hot dancers are sitting at the table and Jimmy just takes his the to go bin and he just flings it like

Starting point is 00:40:33 on the table and I swear to God it was like a movie it slides like right across like in front of the girls and literally like the top opens up you know what I mean you could I swear

Starting point is 00:40:46 you couldn't have done it any better if you, like, did it with, like, special effects. And the girls are like, oh, my God. They don't know what to expect. They just hear there's a shit trial. They don't, oh, my God. Oh, my God. What is that?

Starting point is 00:40:56 So they're, like, mortified and whatever. And, like, we're dying laughing. We move it away from them. So, yeah, just put it over here, whatever. And so, obviously, we don't get a tested. There's no fucking real Quest Labs here or whatever, this and that. But so we're, because everyone's there now and we made it look like a trial. Tony starts yelling at Jimmy and he's like,

Starting point is 00:41:21 is this your shit? He's like, no, that's not my shit. He says, I'm telling you right now, is this shit? And he says, and this is an important factor now to how this all wraps up. The underwear that was thrown on the rebar was a brand called George Foreman. George Foreman's are the, those are big and tall. They don't sell them at fucking J.C. Penny or Walmart. So Jimmy needed a big and tall pair.

Starting point is 00:41:48 So there were George Foreman's. Well, nobody wears George Foreman's. That's the key. Yeah, of course. You don't know anyone in your whole life that had a pair of George Foreman's on. So Jimmy, we knew he wore those. And so Tony's like, is that your shit?

Starting point is 00:42:03 Is that your shit? And he's like, it's not my shit. You're never going to get me. And now he's starting to like kind of revel in it. Like, you're never going to get me, whatever. And he's like, I'm fucking done with this. Fuck this trial. everything. I'm done with this. And he starts to walk out the back door. And Tony's like,

Starting point is 00:42:21 I've got one last question for you. And this was now like the, um, a few good men. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, I want the truth. Yeah. This is how it's culminating. And, uh, he says, I want to know right now, pull your fucking pants down and show us your George Foreman's. And Jimmy's like, no. And he goes, pull your fucking pants down. And on his way out, there's a 450 pound guy. on his way out, that back door, he opens the door, and he lifts his leg and he pulls his pants down, and he's not wearing any underwear at all. And it's just one giant moon cheek to show us he's not wearing any underwear. And the whole theory was is he knew not to wear the underwear because that was going to do him in. And he shut the door and he was off and the trial was over.

Starting point is 00:43:09 And we had to, he, he was voted, it was not guilty. We could never prove that it was his shit. But there's no doubt that he did it. Jimmy had a shitting problem. He liked to wear the button-ups. A lot of bowling-style button-ups. And big guys, I think it's like a common thing. But one of Jimmy's problems was because he couldn't necessarily wipe his butt, I think, that well.

Starting point is 00:43:36 So, you know, that's a common big guy, big girl problem. Big girls. They don't know how to, you know, they think it's a... the front to back instead. Don't go back to front. You know what I mean? But the bigger girls, that's what they do. And so Jimmy had that problem.

Starting point is 00:43:50 And one of the things was because he wasn't always so clean, the tail of the shirt would wind up in his booty or in his crap. And so he would always have like a duty tail on his shirts. That was always a problem. And he lived near the club. So he would go home, be like, yeah, I'm going to take a shower. and it's like it's midday. Who's leaving the club to take a shower?

Starting point is 00:44:17 But the whole point was to take a shower was more to really change the shirt. Because now it's got its duty tail on it. And you know, you got to get rid of that. Jimmy was such a mess that Tony would actually put a ban on any girls that gave Jimmy head or mess with Jimmy. And we knew who they were. They were put on a scarlet letter list, actually.

Starting point is 00:44:39 So the girls that we would have our fun with and do our things with, were if they made Jimmy's list, well, they were no longer on our list, and then it could actually have an effect on your employment. And one day he actually put out like a decree, if any girls go with Jimmy, we may have to fire you. Because you lowered your bar so low that, you know, like, what were you doing? And, you know, it's, Jimmy just, he was a mess. he brought on himself. One of the reasons why I succeeded there was he was very mean, very ormary.

Starting point is 00:45:17 And I think not only was like a breath of fresh hair, so I was this new person, but I was younger. And I had a real kinship with these girls. Tony once made a joke. He says, you know, I know why you do so good at this. I mean, you're obviously a people person, but I can see why you've become successful at this. Because he wasn't sure what he was going to get out of me. I was never in that industry. That was my only time in that industry.

Starting point is 00:45:42 And so he wasn't sure what was going to be. And he said, you're the 13th stripper. You are them. You're just a man. Your life parallels all of their lives of like kind of what they've gone through and why they have daddy issues and all this messed up shit. You're that person. You just happen to be a guy.

Starting point is 00:46:02 And so I think that it resonates with them. And I'm like, yeah, that makes perfect sense. But I was also good to them. And it made it easy that I had a shitty manager guy. I took all of his DJ shifts, you know what I mean? That's why he set me up. I heard his pocket. And so, you know, that was a big factor in that.

Starting point is 00:46:21 So with Tony, we definitely did a lot of indulging in terms of, you know, women is a vice. Tony was very big on he loved, he just, he had his girlfriend, he had a girlfriend with his girlfriend. And then he also just looked back page was very popular. Craigs was very popular. Excitement magazine was very popular. So these were just where there were just girls everywhere. You could get a girl from anything, whatever. So this was very common.

Starting point is 00:46:54 Part of it was so through the club, a lot of these girls, Porky's had the only downstairs VIP room. One of the things that made Porky's different and special was you were, you could, you were going to fuck there. Okay, you kind of knew it. There were clubs in Miami that were like that, that had that notoriety. There was one that was really, really low down called Centro Espagnol. That was, and it was just like all girls off the boat and very, very cheap.

Starting point is 00:47:26 And it was somewhere off the river. And they put us to shame. Like, we thought we were low down. This, you know, Porky's was a sea club. It was a hood club. high alia i mean everything around us was ala pat a liberty city like these were like uh miami springs and all these were a lot of these areas where you just didn't want to make a wrong turn you know i mean like this is somewhere you didn't go at night so porcans was kind of known as that

Starting point is 00:47:53 sort of club um a lot of a lot of dope activity a lot of dope boys um when we would have our troubles there um the police told us when they finally raided it um They said to us, so when Bill Seidel passed away, that's when I think the protection ended for the club. Right. And so what happened was Miami-Dade police had a hard on for us. High-Alea police, which were basically gang members turned police officers. You can look at them and tell. They were pretty cool about everything.

Starting point is 00:48:34 They didn't break our balls. but Miami-Dade had a hard on. And so when Bill Seidel passes away, Miami-Dade comes, raids the club, takes the liquor license, and just ends it right there. And they basically put a statement saying that nobody, other than dancers,

Starting point is 00:48:52 nobody could work. They were forcing the sale of it. So the Seidles had to sell it, the family, and that nobody could work there from the old regime was not allowed to work there. Like by law, We were not going to allow that and whatnot. So they wound up opening up again.

Starting point is 00:49:09 I think it's a club now called Bayez Cabaret. It went all Hispanic. The whole area is Hispanic. There was another shitty club called Stonewall. The thing about Porky's again was, I always made a joke. You could go to a club and you could ogle a 10 or maybe touch her thigh or you can go to Porky's and fuck a seven. Right.

Starting point is 00:49:32 And that was kind of what it's. seemed to become. At that time, I started getting a little proficient in all the, everything that was like the sex business became, I became very knowledgeable about. So I met, I wound up meeting the reality Kings guys and the bang bros guys, bang bus, bangbuss, bang bus. Yeah, yeah. And because they were all out of Miami. And this is when it was brand new. So I knew people that were affiliated with them. And there's an actually, I'm an extra in a movie, We call it's a line of, they call them Fuck Force Five. And it was these five girls, whatever.

Starting point is 00:50:12 And it was, it was one of the sub-channels, like the bang busts and whatever and all that. And it was a set up, um, silk screening place. You know what I mean? And the girls are like, they would come in. And then the whole thing was like, we're here for our shirts. And it was like, but we don't have any money to pay for them. So, and, you know, so the whole thing was like, well, I got away for, we, we can do some barter, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:50:36 And I was, obviously, it wasn't an actor in it, but I was, I'm just one of the silk screen guys, you know, that's like watching all the action, you know, like making the shirt, pressing the shirts while some other girls getting railed, you know what I mean? But they set it up, like it was like a legit, like, you know, like a real t-shirt factory, whatever. So, um, learning a lot about that industry, learning about the cam industry. They wound up naked.com. And so the web camming industry, I started to learn, was also very lucrative.

Starting point is 00:51:09 That whole reading those magazines, that was my introduction to basically. My only skill is in the sex business. So even at Porkies, you know, these girls, they were fucking this and that, whatever. So it also became like, you're kind of pimping these girls out. Everybody was available. So, you know, like you had friends, you had conversations. you had customers this and that. So now you can offer these girls.

Starting point is 00:51:36 You're brokering your deals. You're doing your thing, whatever. And it's just also how far did you want to take that? You know what I mean? So that became a thing. So I really got to, it was working at Porky's for me just became like a one-stop pit shop of pit stop of learning the everything that was in the sex business. So whether it was prostitution and escorting and Tony had his own escort agencies.

Starting point is 00:52:01 so I learned a lot for him and doing things with him with that. And then from and then with the cam business, the business, and the strip club business. So it was all the ways that basically girls can make money. You know, it's because sex sells. Yeah. So this kind of, there wasn't much more of it. It covered all of that.

Starting point is 00:52:19 So that became like, that was my college. So when the Porkies got raided and everything came to an end, I pretty much, I was, I lost everything. Yeah. I was used to a certain lifestyle, and everything just came to a crash, crashing down. And so we get told about Panama from a friend of his who had already kind of experienced Costa Rica. And his thing was, you got to check out this other country.

Starting point is 00:52:48 Panama is like the next forefront, and your money's going to move a lot further there. So this is, you should look into this. Now, Tony was already a world traveler, this and that, and doing his thing. And so you're going to Panama for what? reason. So Panama is, uh, it was more, it was really to start a new life. Um, Tony wanted to, he had already been traveling a lot. So he was like, all right, let's, let's see what, what this is all about. So when we go there for the first time, I'm thinking this is a jungle. I don't know anything about Latin America. I don't know anything about what's going on there for real. Um, and the airport

Starting point is 00:53:25 isn't a jungle, but as we're driving out, we get to the heart. It's like New York City. Um, Panama City, the center and the capital, is like New York, Miami, and Las Vegas wrapped in like this Tutsi roll. It's like Miami because it's hot and it's all Latin and it looks the part. It's like New York because it's cobblestone streets and and boutiques and cafes. It's not all the commercial shit. And it's like Las Vegas because it had legal gambling and legal prostitution. And that was a big thing there. We go there, we meet with an attorney, and the attorney, he's already looking into properties there.

Starting point is 00:54:10 He's showing us all these properties, they're not even finished yet. Started to notice why they don't finish them. There's a huge money laundering situation in Panama. It's all the coat money gets laundered there. There's tons of banks there. We started kind of picking up on that. And then the construction ever gets done. I feel like they're laundering all the money through construction, whatnot.

Starting point is 00:54:31 He buys seven properties. The first time we sit down with like a real estate guy, this attorney, and again, he's literally just showing this through, like in a book. You know, like a, what do you, like one of those, it gets you interested in the property. I forget the name, what do you call him? So he winds up buying seven of them at one time. Like a brochure? Yeah, like a brochure. And I said to him, I says, you know, because this was all him, I says, you know, I kind of feel like this, all these are mine as well.

Starting point is 00:55:00 Like this is, I have nothing to do with this, but like essentially these are, this is all mine as well. And again, we were just, we were just like, you know, it was, it was a perfect team. So we go to Panama and he starts bongos. It's a wing joint, almost like hooter style, this and that, whatever. And that was, that was in the heart of Panama City right by the main casino and this and that. Starts a coffee shop as well. We have a hot dog cart kind of thing, whatever. And we're just doing this whatever.

Starting point is 00:55:37 And it's going on. And I'm going through a divorce situation. And at this point, my thing is I'm going to retire here. This is the goal is to retire here. And so what happens is Tarzan starts to call Tony kind of out of the blue. And Tarzan, he would Skype him and this and that. and Tarzan was talking about, you know, like, hey, what's going on in Panama? It was very interesting.

Starting point is 00:56:06 And this time Tarzan couldn't come to the United States from what I understood. He's stuck in Israel, right? Yeah. And so I think he was going to other countries doing other business things or ideas, whatever, and what he can get going on. And then one day he just shows up in Panama. And we're drinking at bongos and probably drunk, whatever. And we're drinking.

Starting point is 00:56:29 and the bing bing bong of the door opens up and in comes Tarzan. And it was, for me, it was a crazy experience because I only knew this guy from like the lore of like the whole, you know what I mean? Like just everything that was, it was like storybook to me. I never knew the guy. Right. And so, you know, in he comes and we wind up drinking and having, you know, we're having a good time this night. And it's at that point that Tarzan basically says, you know, to Tony. And I remember like it was yesterday.

Starting point is 00:57:04 And he says, you know, we should open up strip club here in Panama, Miami style. And I was like, I'm like, I'm thinking of myself, maybe this might not be a good idea. Like, shit kind of went south down there, whatever. And that was it. Tony only needed to hear that. And then the theory was, we're going to open up a club here. I wasn't sure that was a good idea. I personally wasn't sure because what happened with Tarzan in the States, this could be,

Starting point is 00:57:36 who knows what can be, what I, but it was far be it for me to tell Tony what he was going to do in this, not and the other. And so we opened up Doll House, and Doll House was done with, there was, they had other Russians that were there that owned Mulan Rouge. And it was on the block, via Veneto in Panama. This was the spot. And the Veneto Casino was a Wyndham Grand Casino that had, 150 hores, prostitutes that were strewn about the entire property, all there just waiting to be picked like a Sadie Hawkins dance. And they're just sitting there and waiting.

Starting point is 00:58:12 The red light district did. Yeah, essentially. But it wasn't in the street. It was like in the place. And some girls were on the poker machines. Some girls were at the bar. Some were just sitting and eating. And some were at the tables, whatever.

Starting point is 00:58:24 So you like, you walk, you went up the escalator and you went to this place. And it was just 150 Colombians, mainly, some Panamanians. And it was just absolute, like, it was the most insane thing you could ever imagine. Because even the red light, there's, all right, she's standing in a window, whatever, and there's maybe 20. You know what I mean? And you got to walk a thing. This was 150 people. Like, it was like a candy store.

Starting point is 00:58:47 It was, like, absolutely insane. So that was the spot. So Moulin Rouge was right near there. And Moulin Rouge was basically a whorehouse. These are brothels. Right. So when Panama was, Panama had legal prostitution. So the key to Panama was, the girls could come over on a prostitution visa.

Starting point is 00:59:08 They all came from Columbia, just so you know. Yeah. So they come on a prostitution visa. They had to pay $1,500 for that. You come on a visitor visa, it's $500. These guys were getting these girls in at $500. They had some sort of in, but that was not, that was a no-no. Now, girls that came in on visitor visas would be the ones that worked in the casino.

Starting point is 00:59:28 they didn't work the streets. It wasn't like that there. They would maybe go online or they would work in nice establishments, bars and this and that. But then you had your actual brothels. Those were girls that had their paperwork and they were like on record as being girls. So that's what Moulin Rouge was, the Russians had. And that's what Tarzan and Tony's place became Dollhouse, which is what we had. So I was the number three at Dollhouse.

Starting point is 00:59:54 I was the main DJ there. They were the owners along with the other owners. Mulan Rouge. These were all the Russian, these were just, and these were like Brighton Beach guys and Russian guys that Tarzan knew. He's the one that brought Tony the deal.

Starting point is 01:00:08 So when he said we should open up at a strip club, he already had some guys that were already doing it. And so it was like, let's open up a second one and we'll be part owners with them. And then that's how they brokered it. Tarzan, I don't believe, came up with,

Starting point is 01:00:24 it didn't come with any money. Tony came up with cash and they would pay off the rest and whatever. and that was the agreement before everything falls apart. And so we're open maybe, again, five months, give or take, whatever. And it's all Colombian girls. We're living, so Tony has one condo that was finished in Panama that we were living in. And there were five Colombian girls, they would come over, we would have them come over, and they live with us, essentially.

Starting point is 01:00:56 And so we'd have these five Colombian girls. and girls and they sleep in the upstairs, whatever. And again, you know, they, they, it was, what was better than that? You know what I mean? Like, I, I don't know how it gets any, I, I couldn't tell you how. So, um, it was, it was just, uh, that was, that was life. And they'd make breakfast and, and, and, and just parade around and do their thing, whatever.

Starting point is 01:01:17 And it was like, it was like a family. It was like a happy family. And so, um, and when those five were kind of matriculated and they found their own place, now they're standing on their own. working and whatever, they moved out and did their own thing, and another five would come. We actually had a laundry list of so many. We couldn't bring them over fast enough because there were so many, and their cousin wanted to come, and they'd be on Facebook, and they would see the life that these girls were

Starting point is 01:01:43 leading and having a great time. And again, this is now, Columbia, and some of these are small town girls from Columbia. So think of the Nebraska girl, the Midwest girl, whatever. These are, these are, you know, Colombian small town girls, they don't have much. You know what I mean? So this was a big lure for them. So we just couldn't bring them over fast enough. We weren't busy enough.

Starting point is 01:02:01 We're still new and this and that. So what happens is Tony, his wife and kids are coming to visit for the first time. They had never been to Panama. Again, I'm going through a divorce. This is going to be my life. My whole thing was now to move here. Porkies in Miami was done. This is the last forefront.

Starting point is 01:02:24 I don't know what there is after this. This is it. And so that was the goal. And so his wife and kids come to visit. And he tells me, look, you got to leave. I'm living in his pull-out suitcase, whatever. I'm living on a couch. I don't have a room there.

Starting point is 01:02:39 You know what I mean? I'm just, we're just winging this, whatever. And so he says, you got to go for 14 days. And my wife and kids will come. And then 14 days you come back. And I didn't want to leave. I was like, I don't want to go anywhere. You've got to be kidding me.

Starting point is 01:02:55 And so he says, he says, He's like, well, you have no choice. I need the room, whatever. And so I leave and I speak to him every day. And I already have my ticket bought for the 14 days and everything to go back and just kind of resume everything that we were doing. And on the eighth day, I'm on the phone with him. And he says, let me call you back. The police are here.

Starting point is 01:03:20 Now, the cops always had their hand out there. We've always given them beers and shrimps and different things. But this apparently was dead. So I'm like, okay. And I don't hear from the next day. I don't hear from three days after that. And that's when I knew something was bad. And I reached out to one of the girls on Facebook because there's no one else to reach out to at this point.

Starting point is 01:03:42 And I find one of the girls that was part of our, you know, satellite. And she tells me, she goes, listen, it's really, really bad. The police raided the club. And they raided Mulan Rouge and Dollhouse. house. It's in the news. It's in the newspapers. They're talking Russian mafia, Italian mafia. It's very serious and everyone's been arrested. There's like a hundred people are in jail. And I said, holy shit. Little by little, they started letting people out that didn't really matter and whatever. And between the two places, they kept 12 people in jail between the two.

Starting point is 01:04:22 Tony and Tarzan were two of them. It was a made-up. They tried to frame them for drugs. We weren't dealing drugs. There were people dealing drugs. We had a promoter. His name was Norman. He was a Panamanian. He was our dealer.

Starting point is 01:04:43 He, uh... But he's your dealer, not a dealer who's dealing out of it. So he was, he was the Coke, he was a promoter. Right. And now flyers for us. So one of his things was, that's a good question. His thing was, um, and I, and I, uh, Pepsi dealer.

Starting point is 01:04:59 And his thing was, come in, come in, come in, come in. He pull you by the arm, whatever. You got to come and check out the girl. So he was like one of those high pressure salesmen. You know what I mean? And so he also did that. And so I learned that he did that. And one of the things I learned about the product in Panama was it was the best you could ever get.

Starting point is 01:05:21 This was dangerous. This was rocket fuel. And it was really, really cheap because Columbia is here and Panama is here. So it's just flowing over there. You know, to smoke over there was hard. Finding good stuff to smoke was very hard. There weren't grow houses there like we have in the States, whatever, which is very, very not as common. So it was always shaggy, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:05:44 But the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, yo was, was really, really out of, like, this world. So Norman became my guy there. And so, Norman was one of people that got busted. and then some of our staff got busted because they were doing things on the down low. You know what I mean? But we weren't implicit in any of it. Nobody was giving anyone drugs, whatever.

Starting point is 01:06:05 We were selling girls. The whole thing was selling girls. We didn't need to sell drugs. So they used a drug case on them. And then when the drug case started to fall apart, they used human trafficking on them. And that they had more legs with. One of the things that saved their lives

Starting point is 01:06:21 and saved Tony's life was 13 girls that worked for us signed affidavit. that they were not human traffic, they were not smuggled, everything they did, they did willingly, and there was 20 more girls that wanted to do it. They proved this. Right. You know, I mean, like they testified to it. And so they all signed off on that fact that nobody twisted anyone's arm, nobody made anybody do anything, and submitted it to the court.

Starting point is 01:06:51 So that kind of made that case fall apart as well. And I think maybe Tarzan probably explained, they wound up kind of getting off on a technicality and then they ran. Like it was like this was their moment. They were told you're going to get re-arrested. Like they have it in for you guys. You may have beaten your little thing while the prosecution appeals it now, but they're going to come back for you and you're going to do 10 years.

Starting point is 01:07:17 What was shitty, was scary for me and why I never went back was, A, they were watching us the whole time. So I know I'm obviously. My name is in the shit, but they, I knew they would never come to the States looking for me. It was like, it was almost like good riddance. If you're not here, goodbye, you know what I mean? We close you down. We shut all your stuff down.

Starting point is 01:07:38 You know, you guys are done. But Norman was like kind of telling on people. And Norman was, he was trying to save himself because he was a dealer. You know what I mean? And so he was doing a lot of ratting and whatnot. And I know for a fact that if I was there, so, you know, the 8th, of the 14 days, this was God intervened. If I didn't believe in God before, I did, I do now. Because it was God that made sure I wasn't there when that happened. Because if I get arrested in

Starting point is 01:08:08 that, I'm going down. I've got yo-yo in my pocket. And Norman's telling on me. And there's a history and whatever. And so I'm definitely doing 10 years there. And so I was home. And so I got spared of all of that. How long do these guys stay in jail? They were there for almost three years. Holy-ish. Innocently, there is no bonding out and then facing your charges. Once you're in, you're stuck in.

Starting point is 01:08:38 And so they had to fight all the way. Tony threw like hundreds of thousands of dollars of the problem, trying to fight his way through it. Tarzan had a lot of help internationally. And, you know, he's a lot of connections. And I would have had nothing. My mother was dying of cancer. My mother, if she dies in that time that that happens, I'm going through a divorce.

Starting point is 01:09:03 So there was no, I had nobody that was going to forget commissary. Come for your rescue. Yeah, there's no rescue. So I die in there. And Tony kind of even makes a little bit of a joke. Like, imagine me and Tarzan, like, we would be serving this all together. But at a certain point, me and Tarzan, we got out and we'd be like saying goodbye to you. So imagine like, so you would have been used to us some sort of a protective thing that we could have all had together.

Starting point is 01:09:31 And that if that, that would have came to an end. And I'm convinced I die in there too. Just from the lack of being able to communicate. Right. I lived vicariously. The whole thing with Tony, I spoke to him every day on WhatsApp. I had to kind of get him through this. I was already his armchair attorney, armchair psychologist, armchair best friend, armchair.

Starting point is 01:09:53 armchair researcher. I mean, this guy had me do everything important for him. You know what I mean? And even stupid stuff that I just wouldn't say on here. And so it was just whatever he needed from me, I did because he was the only person that took a shot on me. He was my mentor. He was the person that I owed it to. You know, he's the one that put the money in my pocket.

Starting point is 01:10:16 And he, life was, it was a fun life. You know what I mean? There's no, there's no, if I died, Tomorrow, for some fat Jew, like I had a nice run, you know what I mean in life, you know, especially, again, for someone who uneducated, unskilled, you know, a lot of people in my shoes would have been had way, way worse. If not blew their head off or, you know, a junkie or whatever, like couldn't cope with all the crazy shit they went through whatever.

Starting point is 01:10:47 I mean, I've done a fairly good job of keeping my head up. And this was a big portion of why. There was something, you know, I was a somebody in this little world of that Miami script club thing, whatever. And so, and I think I said, even when Miami Day took us down, they said to us, they said, you know, we can deal with the drugs, we can deal with the prostitution. We can't deal with your violence. Your place is too violent. There's too much that goes on there, whether it was shoot-ups, you know what I mean? Well, yeah, we had customers.

Starting point is 01:11:17 Is that true? Well, one of the problems in the strip club business is, is when you have a lot of gang-affiliated customers or people involved in dope, everyone's packing guns. And by the way, the whole industry has turned that way. Anyone who goes to strip clubs now, it's gotten very hood. They're packing guns. I would assume so. It's not a safe environment. It's a really debauchrous, debauchous environment.

Starting point is 01:11:39 Now more than ever, because it's got more hood than it ever was. All strip clubs. Do you know what I mean? But, yeah, Porky's one of the problems we ran into was if you threw a guy out. out, you know, he was, yeah, they were shooting at the club or shooting up in the sky to scare you. You know, whether it was Latin Kings, there was a big gang down there called the Wylos. And they would be routine, you know, whether they fought there or whatever, you know, a lot of static was, was the customers themselves that you had to deal with. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:12:10 So it was. It was a wild west type of environment. Miami, there was a lot of them down there. It was a very highly competitive and even the C grade hood ones. There was a lot of hood ones. There's one called Take One Lounge. They did a first 48. I think it's called the first 48, the crime show.

Starting point is 01:12:28 Because they were, they killed the owner of that place and robbed him when he was coming out with the bank, whatever. You know, he was going to take it to the bank the next day. So it was probably an inside job, but he was being cased. And they did a whole first 48. and that was in Little Haiti, which is another not good area. So all of that area was kind of tough. It was the type of place where,

Starting point is 01:12:55 and Tony knew it, I knew it, you may not come home that night. It was that kind of club. You know, like, you were blessed to come home that night. Was it every night like that? No, I was more on day shift,

Starting point is 01:13:05 so it wasn't as rowdy and crazy. I spent my fun time at night. Tony would literally pull his car behind mine so I couldn't leave. So I did nine hours, you know, I was tired. I didn't want to be there anymore. But it was kind of like, yeah, you're going to stay. You're going to have some drinks.

Starting point is 01:13:21 You're going to fuck some girls. You're going to do something stupid, whatever. And I'm not letting you leave because you're my party buddy. And I don't care if you did nine hours. And sometimes the joke would be. He's like, Tony, listen, I just want to go home. I just want to eat dinner or whatever and watch a movie with my family. He's like, you know what?

Starting point is 01:13:37 He says, that's a great idea. Why don't you go do that and take off Thursday and Friday as well? and Jimmy will work those days for you. So it was like that kind of game too. So that sent me back like $500, whatever, $1,000, you know what I mean? All because I wanted to just go home and have dinner. Right. You know, so like, you know, it was, you know, it was a best friend, but a very interesting,

Starting point is 01:14:01 manipulative character. I still talked to him this day. We have similar business. He's, he's, so they got out. Him and Tarzan got out. they went their separate ways. Tarzan was not allowed in the United States at that point. That has changed. I don't know how Tarzan pulled it off, but Tarzan not only is in the United States, God bless him. He has a restaurant in Hollywood called Mr. Tarzan's.

Starting point is 01:14:30 So, I mean, I'll give a little shout out. So Tarzan, and I hope he contacts me. I really do it. Because in my Wade thing— I have his number. Yeah, I've talked to him, but only with Tony, but, well, here's why I say this. Tarzan did not like me. And we felt, and I thought because we're both Jews that he would, and I, not that I played it up, but I just thought we had that in common, whatever. And Tarzan is a lot more Jewish than me. I think he's had a real Jewish upbringing in Ukraine.

Starting point is 01:15:01 And I know that he's, he takes it definitely more important to him than anything that's meant to me. Yeah. There's nothing to, for me for it. but Tarzan, I know it's definitely important in his life. So I thought that might be a little kinship. But when we went to, when we were in Dollhouse, Tarzan made things very difficult on me. He was very hard to work for. And one of the things was, and only me and Tony have talked about it. I've never said that.

Starting point is 01:15:28 I didn't say this on Wade either, whatever. But I think Tar, there was a jealousy factor of, he just hated my friendship with Tony. He hated it. Now, him and Tony were close, but it also started out as a work relationship that turned into a friendship. Mine with Tony was a friendship that turned into a work relationship. I went to that club and hung out with no money and was treated like royalty. As long as I brought the weed, my drinks were free, and the girls would be very sweet to me because it's like, who's Tony's friend? This guy's cool with Tony.

Starting point is 01:16:04 I should be cool with this guy because it'll make me cool with Tony. so I played that up, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, now you're Tony's boy, and you're tempering every girl you're Tony's boy, you know what I mean? So just to get anything you can get out of them, because I didn't have fucking two nickels to rub together at the time.

Starting point is 01:16:18 And that's what they're there for. They want your money. Right. So you better have another good angle if you're going to get any action there with no money. You don't go to strip clubs broke, you know what I mean? And I was. So, um...

Starting point is 01:16:30 No, you lead broke. You leave broke. So, you know, that was how that went. But Tarzan just did not, like, And I remember even one time in Panama, and he said, and I do a good Tarsing because I think I just do a good Russian accident in general. And it was just very funny. And he says that Tony has, and we were both together because he says, I don't understand. What is it?

Starting point is 01:16:53 You two get along so good. What is it? Your friends. Why is this? And he didn't realize I think that we, it was the weed. And it was, we just laughed a lot. It was just a great, a couple of buddies that laughed all the time. And so what pissed him off was, we're in dollhouse, the brothel.

Starting point is 01:17:17 We got the TV on. Do you remember the movie Mask with the kid, with the giant head? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, mask, so I'm the cry movie guy. I can give you 100 movies I've cried during. I got emotional problems. Mask, and anyone that knows me, especially Tony, is my go-to cry movie.

Starting point is 01:17:34 I'll cry 20 times in mask. You know, when the suit, when Gar opens up the, when Rocky opens up the refrigerator, there's a suit in there. I mean, come on, are we out of our minds? You know, I mean, how sweet was that? You know, he wants to go to graduation. They don't give a shit. The suits in the fridge. And so we are watching in a Panamanian whorehouse mask in Spanish on the fucking TV.

Starting point is 01:18:00 And it was such a moment because it was the first time me and Tony had watched masks. And we had a running joke on how mask was my movie. That's my pussy movie. So we're watching it. And it's literally in Spanish. We had a bouncer at Dollhouse, a six-foot-eight gargantuan El Salvadorian guy, who, by the way, Tony was fucking his girlfriend, who was one of the hottest, not women. She was of age, but she was just a sweet, adorable girl. This wasn't a woman.

Starting point is 01:18:31 This wasn't a developed, like a minx. this was a girl, but she was smoking hot, and he had no business ever been with her. This is a fat meatball. It's a whole other story. He had no business with the women he had, no business with the women he had. And this was one of them.

Starting point is 01:18:46 And it was his girlfriend, and he also carried up a big gun on him. And he was our security. Did he know? He did not know. If he would have, it would have been awful. It would have been really bad. And I think it was one of those ones

Starting point is 01:19:02 you don't even take a risk on because if the girl just wanted to pull a stunt on you, you're in a lot of trouble. This is the kind of guy that would have killed Tony. You know what I mean? And so the funny thing is, and this is before Tarzan comes in. So Tony's like, Tarzan's going to be here in five minutes. So we put the stools together because we're at the bar and we tighten them up and I put my arm around Tony. And it's like, now we're like on date night and we're watching mask.

Starting point is 01:19:24 And before Tarzan comes in where he's like, I don't understand what the fuck is going on with you two? were watching mask, and behind me, the gorilla, he's walking. You can hear him lumbering, and he stops, and he was looking at the TV. And if you know any Spanish, he says, he's looking at it, and he goes, oh, K-fea-a-and-he-a-means. And K-fea-means how ugly. Faya, the O, is a man. Faya is a woman. So he's looking at Rocky Dennis.

Starting point is 01:20:03 He thinks it's an ugly chick. Right. Which I thought was, A, hilarious, but on the same token, I had such a soft spot for Rocky. It's my cry movie that I wanted to turn around this guy and be like, yeah, it's got a fucking brain disease. Right. Yeah, you know, this guy's, this isn't an ugly chick. This guy's got a fucking head trauma. Right.

Starting point is 01:20:22 You know what I mean? Wasn't going to get over him. This guy was a crow magnin, you know what I mean? Whatever. But it was when he said it, me and Tony were like, we looked at each other and it was just, One of the funniest things of because he was just so, he had no idea what he was even looking at. You know what I mean? So he just thought it was an ugly, ugly chick.

Starting point is 01:20:40 And then two minutes later, Tarzan came in and he blew a gasket. Tarzan would ride me so much. And me and Tony, we would, we would, if we were taking a break during the day between all the businesses we had, whatever. And he would be like, what are he going to do about Tarzan? I'm like, what do you mean? What am I going to do? He's like, this guy's bullying the shit out of you. Like, you got to, you got to do something at a certain point.

Starting point is 01:21:02 Like, how are you letting this go down like this? And I'm like, what am I supposed to do? A, he's my boss. And B, you read the books about this guy? I mean, you work with him. You know, he's like, eh, you know, don't worry about all that. And I'm like, I'm very worried about all that. And so, if you can believe it, Tarzan then started riding me one particular day about my hair style.

Starting point is 01:21:27 I don't know why. He was very down on my hairstyle. Can't be too different than when I have fucking now. And that's when I knew like this is getting out of control. I'm not, I'm very good with memories, but God's honest, true. I'm not, I don't really remember the context of what happened here. But we were at Dollhouse in the day and we were closed. And I wonder if Tarzan really remembers this or not, because it all changed for the better.

Starting point is 01:21:54 But Tarzan was really riding me hard. It was just the three of us there. We're having like a meeting or whatever. And I got really, really upset. And I wound up shoving him with like all of my might. I like, I got up and I just like that. Enough's enough. And I gave him like the shove of all shoves.

Starting point is 01:22:13 And I make a little joke. I'm a fact dude, but I'm strong underneath this. Like I don't want to be hit by me. And I don't want to be shoved by me. And I was surprised as Tarzan is a big dude. Yeah. I was surprised on how like I pushed him back. way more, he took way more steps backwards than I hope he would because then, you know,

Starting point is 01:22:35 one or two is like not so bad. Four or five, he's coming at you. Like, now we're fucking on. Right. And he didn't. And he was nicer to me from that day forward every from, I mean, it was never really nice to me. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:50 But he was hard to work for. I mean, I think even Tarzan would have to agree, even with the girls, he was hard to work for. And he just, when someone doesn't like you and your friendship with the other guy and all that, it sucks when he's your boss, you know what I mean? And it was actually going to make me leave. And if you're going to leave a Colombian whorehouse where you're doing yo-yo every night, rocket fuel every night, and the girls would literally, and they all spoke Spanish.

Starting point is 01:23:21 So I speak a little bit of Spanish, you know what I mean? So I was able to DJ and pick out their songs, you know what I mean? Okay, what I got on, mommy, blah, blah, blah. And they would come in the booth, and I swear to you, all jokes are shy. And again, you got to remember, this is a 38, 40-year-old fat Jew. It's important that people know that because it's rare. It's very rare. And they're coming in and they're picking out their song.

Starting point is 01:23:43 And it's like, it's a little bit of yo-yo. And she picks out the song and we make out. And I'm grabbing all over her. And it's like, oh, my God, is this really fucking happening? Like, what is going on here? And then five minutes later, it's the next. dance are doing the same thing. And 10 minutes later, so next dance are doing the same thing.

Starting point is 01:23:59 And it was just like, no one's leaving that. That's why when he told me you got to go home for 14 days, I was actually crying. I was actually crying. And the ironic part was, and I can send you some pictures for this from my, I have a lot of Panama photos, whatever. But we had a girl, she must have been 5.11. I was crying the same day because this stands out. I can't remember her name.

Starting point is 01:24:23 but she was a beautiful, just round the way girl. She was not one of our dancers. She was not a whore, whatever, but she wanted us to whore her out. She was literally begging us to pimp her out. I have pictures of her. Beautiful girl. And she was tall.

Starting point is 01:24:37 And I just remember the same day I had my suitcase outside to go to the airport. And I was like, again, I was like, I can't believe I got to leave, man. I'm not crying like for real crime, but I was just like, this fucking sucks, man. Like, I was going to divorce. I didn't want to go home. I didn't want to be. back in Brevard County. And so we were taking pictures of her to eventually to put online and this and that and whatever.

Starting point is 01:25:01 Obviously, it all fell apart because everything came crashing down, like a ton of bricks. But I do remember that was the same day that I left. And another crazy story, if you can believe, was when I landed in Fort Lauderdale when this happened. And I don't even know the raid doesn't happen at that point. But when I land and it was like at fucking three in the morning, four and four, in the morning. Line A, line A, line A, line B. Me.

Starting point is 01:25:31 Line B. You just came back from Columbia. Panama. Panama, sorry. Same to them. Yeah. I was wearing this. I'm, again, they take notice of me when I'm walking around.

Starting point is 01:25:46 And I didn't want to be in line B. And everyone else, there's no one else in line B other than me. and that's when they open everything up and it was first a TSA agent and they're wearing the blue. I'm not so worried. And then it's a,

Starting point is 01:26:03 go take lunch, go take your break, whatever's three of the morning, whatever fuck it was. Now it's a white homeland security guy. It's not TSA anymore. It's a step up and he's going to everything

Starting point is 01:26:14 and he's asking me a million questions more than he was searching my shit, which why would I, no one's putting fucking, I didn't take anything with me. I'm not an idiot. But he was asking a lot of intrusive questions over and over. What's your business there?

Starting point is 01:26:30 What are you doing? Who's the strip flow? Who's Tony? Who's this? What's this? And I wasn't sure what he was getting. But what he was doing, whenever I would answer these, he's, and he's entering it into some sort of system, whatever.

Starting point is 01:26:43 He made there for 45 minutes. And again, bending the shoe, doing everything, whatever. And then after about 45 minutes to an hour, it seemed like, and let's just see it was Officer Smith or whatever. I said, I said, Officer Smith, are we finally done with this? I mean, like, am I clear? Because I don't know what's happened to me. Oh, I left out.

Starting point is 01:27:03 They call me in for, they don't strip search me, but they say, we need you to come in the other room. We're going to search you. And they two-man search me. I don't know if that's because I'm fat and they needed two guys' hands for it or whatever, or they just, they were going to do such a thorough search. I thought they were going to strip-search me, which I didn't know if that's legal or not whatever. When they said, you got to come in the other room, it was like for a privacy

Starting point is 01:27:26 factor, but they pat me down like thoroughly, thoroughly, you know what I mean? Where it was like, they bought me a cocktail after because that's what happened. You know what I mean? And so, which was also made it very scary. Because at that point, you have to understand, Matt, I'm thinking they're, they're making, they're going to plant something on me. Like, now I'm in trouble. And so I said, I said, officer, it's just finally over. And he says, yes. you're good to go. And all the shit was all disheveled and close up your thing or whatever.

Starting point is 01:27:56 And the kicker to that was, he says to me, he goes, well, he says, I'm going to give you this and I'm going to give you this and then you're on your way. I said, well, what are these? He says, so this right here

Starting point is 01:28:07 is a pamphlet on why you were in line B and what we do here. Like why we did this. You know what I mean? Like for my security, for the security of the world, whatever. So like they're letting you know why we did this. And then the other one,

Starting point is 01:28:22 one was the customer satisfaction form that they wanted me to fill out of how how did this go for you you know what I mean you know like did we get five stars for scaring the shit out of you and so um that you never found out what that was for no no I don't I don't know to this day cars and Tony had interesting things in Panama that that how they got their story out they wanted their story out mainly just to get out of jail we need help somebody get us the fuck out of here right And they were doing it on their own in some sort of separate ways any way they could. So Tarzan actually had a, and there's some of these, I don't know if you know this, there's residual of these called Mr. Prisoner on YouTube. They took them all down.

Starting point is 01:29:05 He took them down. But some other people, and it was all done in Russian. A lot of the titles were in Russian, and then he spoke in Russian and him. He was showing the deplorable conditions of La Jolla, and they were not happy about it. When La Jolla found out that he had a YouTube channel showing their prison, they got really, really pissed about it. And so what they did was they strong armed the inmates and said, take away this guy's shit. He's got an iPad. He's doing all this shit with.

Starting point is 01:29:36 And apparently the way the story went to what Tony told me is they encircled him in a big, big circle. And we're like, you're giving us your iPad or we're killing you because they're coming down on us. because first of all, there were no guards at night there. This was the prisons there. This is what's crazy. It polices itself at night. The guards go home.

Starting point is 01:29:58 Yeah. Now the prisoners run the fucking asylum. And so they basically made Tarzan get rid of the iPad and stopped the show. Because, again, the conditions, they were deplorable. People died in there for over water. Water ran out. If the tanker came and everyone ran and got their water. and let's say the first 50 got it and that's it.

Starting point is 01:30:22 So everyone needed to gather rainwater and buckets. Buckets were your best friend. People would have 7, 10 fucking buckets, you know, from Home Depot, whatever. And it became your wash bucket, your drink bucket, your everything. And you were drinking rainwater. I mean, people died. I have pictures of the body. Again, I'll forward you a bunch of the stuff.

Starting point is 01:30:40 Contraband, guns in the jail, everything in there. You know what I mean? Drugs in there. It was no air conditioning. so it was like hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, like 100 degrees hot. And then the critters, alligator, snakes, scorpions, giant cockroaches, things that were from like a national geographic. Like, it's as big as that fucking can. And it was like rainbow colored.

Starting point is 01:31:04 What the fuck's on your arm? You know what I mean? So, like, it was really bad. And so, again, I was constantly talking to Tony to get him through it. Tony pulled up to give you an idea of how great Tony really was. This guy was, I mean, I don't want to say he's a criminal mastermind. That's not the best way to put it. But talk about a guy who can just go with the flow and figure out what he needs to do to just keep it going.

Starting point is 01:31:31 He's in the prison in Panama. And a lot of the, so the prisoners are separated all the other nationalities and the Panamanians. And they're in Pavolons or pavilions, I guess. And they're all separated. And so the Colombians and people that he started noticing, everyone had a cell phone. So all the contraband was allowed in there because you would pay the guards to allow it. And then they would wrap it all up and take it all back. And you'd have to pay them again to get all over again.

Starting point is 01:32:00 So it was a give and take. You know what I mean? Right. All the guys, the young guys that were in there for shit, were on a specific app called Tagged. So it was like a dating site. whatever. And it had all, like, pictures of girls and all that.

Starting point is 01:32:17 I'm sure some of them were real, some of were fake, whatever. And Tony started realizing that just tagged, this is pretty interesting. But these guys were really writing to girls

Starting point is 01:32:25 and trying to get girls to send them nudes and all that and just anything that would get something to the outside world. Tony discovered this was a great way to make money. And so what he was going to do

Starting point is 01:32:37 was he was going to pretend to be a girl. Yeah. And use the photos. Never talk to nobody. Never video. nobody just message them and what his his stick was was I'm I'm stuck in Panama I'm trying to get to the States I have my ticket I'm $50 short I just need $50

Starting point is 01:32:56 that's a very common one that's oh my where the guy comes up on you on the street you know I'm I live in Orlando bro I just need a bus ticket I I'm I'm like 17 shy my friend some some guy was here he just we got into an argument he left me yes okay fuck you they do it a gas thing He's a lot too. I just need $10 in gas, man. This is my car right there. It's like, that car just pulled out.

Starting point is 01:33:19 Yeah. You know what I mean? But when it's a girl, so what he did was he, first of all, the guys are writing him. He just puts out the bait, this is hot photos and he ripped off of Facebook. The guys, hundreds of them write him. Some, they are not interested in sending no money, whatever. But the ones where he's like, listen, I have nowhere to go when I come to the States. you think it's okay, I come stay with you?

Starting point is 01:33:45 And it's like some 46-year-old guy who has, you know, he's an in-cellar who knows what's going on with this guy, right? So he knew who to talk to from their profile pictures, you know what I mean? And it was all, it's the same like when you see to catch a predator. And it's like, it's the black guy, it's the white guy, it's the Muslim guy, it's the Jewish guy, it's the fat guy, it's a 26-year-old, it's a 38-year. There's no, it's all of them. Yeah. So he's got laundry list of them. And so the whole thing was, is like, I'm tired of these Colombian guys.

Starting point is 01:34:17 My last boyfriend, he hits me. I just want somebody I can come home. I just need to be able to cook and clean, have somewhere to sleep at night. I just want a regular American guy. Are you that guy? Well, for $50. You better believe he's that guy. And so that he just accumulated all these guys doing it.

Starting point is 01:34:39 And when he finally was getting out of jail the first time, and again, they appealed that they were going to put him back in. But they released them at a certain point. I think Tony said he had somewhere like, I don't know, $2,000, $3,000 in cash on him. And the only reason it mainly worked for him was, and this was the key. They had somebody was already running a business of the guy was on the inside, the wife was on the outside, so you could send money to the wife for, Western Union, and she would tell the husband in the jail, give them so and so, so money. So there were loan sharking in the, in the, in the prison. So when Tony would have these guys sending money, Western Union made the money, and it would go to a woman's name.

Starting point is 01:35:27 So he had a lady on the outside he can do it with. She takes a piece. And she kept a piece. Otherwise, how was he getting the money? Yeah. So that it worked. And when they saw his cash, they were like, you can't have this. So you're going back in because of this.

Starting point is 01:35:47 And he basically was like, hey, man, fucking keep it. I went out of here. Take the fucking money. You know, he couldn't even worry about it at that point. So he had accumulated, you know, it was such a great thing. And it was such a great little Ponzi scheme. But this is how guys were. And he was so thorough about it that he actually called the police, like in one of these towns.

Starting point is 01:36:07 and said, and he pretended to be the guy. And he was like, yeah, you know, I have some girl in another country. She asked me for money online. I sent her the money. And I don't think she's real. And like, well, did you ever talk to her? It's like, no. Did you ever see her?

Starting point is 01:36:21 No. And he's like, well, what do I do about it? Like, there's nothing if you do about it. You're fucked. Yeah. And that's what he wanted to hear. Of course. He knew.

Starting point is 01:36:29 What am I going to do? I'm going to, we're going to put three officers on a plane. We're going to fly to Panama to hunt down your fucking $150. Yeah. Exactly. And he knew the key was is as for the 40, the 50 to $60. Yeah, yeah, they're not going to give it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:44 But they'll, they're not going to give you $200 right now, but they'll give you $40 and then 30 and then 50 and then. Yeah, you keep stringing them along. Yeah. Next thing you know, they've given you the $200. He told me one guy. He was like, he's like, listen. So he would, he would, this was such a thing for him that he would be like, listen, I need to go and I got to go work. He would put in like three hours.

Starting point is 01:37:05 Like, so we would be talking. He's like, all right, listen, I'll call you back. I got to put in some work with these guys. So, like, this was a job in the jail for him at a certain point. You know what I mean? You had to keep it going, you know, because these guys are messaging. Where are you? You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:37:19 You know, so he had to do that. And then I remember he would tell me, like, these guys would come to the airport, like, looking to pick her up. Oh, yeah, yeah. And be, like, messaging, like, where are you? I'm here at Delta. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:34 And then you, you. You tell them that you're trapped in customs. And because you came here and you don't have any money, they won't let you through. Can you Western Union me? They will not allow a tourist in without having funds to be a tourist. Yes, this is true. So can you send me a thousand dollars, you have to have a thousand dollars American, but I'm on the other side of customs.

Starting point is 01:37:59 I'm in customs. You can see, but he can't go into custom. But so if you just PayPal me, $1,000, I'll give it to you right back. as soon as I get, I'm on just on the other side. You get PayPal it right now. And then the guy's like, fuck,

Starting point is 01:38:11 I'm standing here. She's coming. We're this close. And there goes. And he PayPal's $1,000. And he's walking around with a dozen roses. Yeah. And she never shows up.

Starting point is 01:38:21 She never comes out of customs. She never hear from it again. When Craigslist was a big thing, we knew a guy who was a customer of ours. He went to prison for this. And he would go on Craigslist. And he would only use pay phones. And he would use a calling card.

Starting point is 01:38:35 He specifically, we call Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina. And he would post ads on Craigslist for concerts, football packages, anything that was big, you know, Def Leopard, backstage passes, parking, whatever. And he had a story that his brother worked for CNN and he would get hold of these tickets and this. And the thing was, Western, you knew me the money and I'm going to send you the tickets, but I need the money first.

Starting point is 01:39:04 And these were people that were so. excited about it that they were willing to take these risks. Now, the key to Western Union, a lot of people don't know, and it's still to this day, even with all the fraud and things that go on, you do not need an ID if you provide a password. Right. And it's still to this day, you think they would have eliminated that. Yeah. But they have not.

Starting point is 01:39:26 So he would tell them, look, I can't run the risk of my brother getting his shit taken away at CNN. We have the same last name. And if you want to walk, I. get it. I'm going to sell these tickets to somebody, but you're not going to see Aerosmith Saturday night. Just know that. And so it's the pullaway, you know? And so, but I need you to, you know, when we do these tickets, you're going to send it to Butterworth. That's the password, Butterworth, or whatever it was, you know what I mean? And then so, you know, and that was the key. Why, you could never get caught doing that. I don't know how he slipped and got in trouble. And

Starting point is 01:40:05 maybe it wasn't even in that little thing he did because he was involved in Medicare shit. The amount of people I've met doing Medicare fraud in Florida is just like off. You know what I mean? Like that's no, I don't think of people knew that like you, you write up all the fake stuff, whatever, they send you all the money and then they audit it like two months later. Right. You've already closed up the business. Well, it's like you're, it's like filing for taxes.

Starting point is 01:40:30 They immediately issue the tax refund. And then maybe in a year from now, they, right. They go, they might audit you or the person you're filing for their taxes. Then they file their taxes and they say, what do you've already gotten? You've already filed your taxes. You already got your money. Right. And they're like, no, I didn't.

Starting point is 01:40:48 And I'm like, oh, wait, someone sold your ID. But by that point, I got the money put on a fucking debit card. And I've already spent the $7,000. Yeah. So I think especially with businesses, if you can close up shop, there was a guy that he taught me a lot of that after he got out of it. and it was a telemarketing business that he was selling vacations to swingers. And he had just like a boiler room and I wound up being his main caller guy. And he would go to strip clubs.

Starting point is 01:41:16 And he was the one where like you'd get the big plastic thing. And you're going to win a trip, whatever. And you stick the things in to win a trip. All they were was lead generation. Yeah. And so it was called Caliente. It was like in the Bahamas or some shit. And it was a swingers place.

Starting point is 01:41:30 And it was all time shares. or trying to sell you whatever, but he was giving away $300 vacations for free. Or no, they were free vacations he was getting for free and only charging $300 for the weekend with, you know, and it was for a couple, whatever. So he was making $300 a pop on every one of these. And then if they sat down to the thing, they got even more money. And it was such a great racket. And it was, I was, I was only calling swingers and nudists.

Starting point is 01:41:56 And I started noticing, too, the difference between the two. Like, nudists were just like, we just like to play tennis naked. I mean, we don't swing. swing per se. Yeah. We just don't like wearing clothes. And swingers are like freaks. Like they don't like to wear clothes and they want to fuck everybody.

Starting point is 01:42:11 You know what I mean? So they're not the same. So nudist would get actually really mad that they were be considered like they were still like the swinger community or it was called the lifestyle. That was always the generic term was the lifestyle. So, but nudist did not like to be lumped in the same boat as them. You know what I mean? They were just just like, we just don't want to wear.

Starting point is 01:42:33 clothes. It's hot. And Swingers were all about a whole different thing. And so that's where I think Palm Beach has Deenies Hideaway, Miami Velvet, and then Broward has their own. Are these counties? No, these are swingers clubs.

Starting point is 01:42:49 Because we have a, we have, we have a, is it Paradise? Well, you wouldn't know. I think I think they have like Paradise City or something like that, which is in Landau Lakes Florida. Land of Lakes is one of the, I feel like I've heard of that. I think it's like the, for nudist, it's like the capital of the nudist capital or something.

Starting point is 01:43:08 They got some big, big areas. Nudus are, it's interesting people because they're, they're very communal and hippie-like. Yeah, they all want to be in these, these. That's all it is. They just want to be nude. They're just walking around, walking their dogs. Yeah, that's it. But swingers, and none of them are hot, by the way.

Starting point is 01:43:26 I don't know if anyone's. No, no, there's no hot. A lot of guys. There's no hot. The nudist, it's like a lot. These people are just like, you shouldn't be naked. Yeah, it's awful. You really shouldn't.

Starting point is 01:43:36 And that's why they're doing it. And I think they're doing it to flaunt it, too. Like, yeah, we know you don't want to see it. That's why we're doing it. But yeah, the swingers is a whole different thing. And they're also, I notice what the swimmers is also older, a lot of older. Same thing. The same thing to the nudist.

Starting point is 01:43:52 Yeah. Yeah. Are you familiar with the villages? Yeah. Yeah. So the village is, is a ton of swingers going on there, elderly swingers. They have like the highest rate of like a sexually, yeah, STDs. Yeah, like for a concentrated area.

Starting point is 01:44:07 Yeah, you're like fucking old people. They're like, fucking their 70s. So old people obviously aren't worried about pregnancy. So there's, I mean, there's no reason to have a condom. And they obviously, they don't care about the STDs. They're going to be dead soon. They're going to be dead soon. And the other thing is, is that for guys, it seems like it's like six women for every guy.

Starting point is 01:44:29 That's just as you get older in general, women, live longer. Right. So in that area, like if you're an older guy, like if you, if you're an older guy and you don't live there, I'm, and you're like, let's say you're a widow or single, why are you not there? Yeah. And if you're into milfs and gilfs and whatever and you're a younger guy, why are you not there? I've been there. They are, they are, they are, they have money and these are These are attractive older women that the husband has died. Yes. And she's, so she's sitting on the money.

Starting point is 01:45:04 Right. But they're women who they dress. They, like, they're not slabs. Yeah. They are dressing up nice. They go out to drink all the time. It's an affluent area. They're always out at restaurants.

Starting point is 01:45:15 They're all swinging. They're all pineappling. Whatever the fuck they're doing. Then the golf carts. Yeah. And it's all in their golf carts. So again, yeah, if you like, if you, if you're in any way or into older women, Why you're not there, I would have no idea because you would be having the time of your life

Starting point is 01:45:30 because I think it's mainly older guys. Have you seen? So if there's some younger guys there. So are you seen that the golf carts now? Compared to golf carts when I was growing up. $40,000. They're fucking outrageous. They got fucking out of control.

Starting point is 01:45:42 They got like a four-wheeler tires on them and they're just, they're jacked up. Yeah. Yeah, like this is the Stone Cold 316 edition. Yeah, I don't know what happened here. And you're right. There's a neighborhood by me called Vieira where they're all in them. The villages is all in them. There's just, are you familiar with in South Florida called Weston?

Starting point is 01:46:05 Weston's a very affluent. It's like West West, West Broward out by 75 over there. And all those people have, that's all they drive around on. There's community. That's all they do. You can go like from your house to Publix. They have it set up so that you go anywhere. You can go anywhere on, you don't need to drive anywhere.

Starting point is 01:46:23 No. And there's enough sidewalks and all the things. that get you around on them. But yes, these things are extremely expensive. Anyone who has one of these is doing very, very well because who the fuck needs one of those? They have three nice cars in their garage already.

Starting point is 01:46:42 Yeah, you know, if you need to buy a car, you go to Sarasota. Why is that? Because they're all old people. They never drive their car. So you go buy a car for like three years old. And it's got like 8,000 miles on it. And you're like, it's three years old.

Starting point is 01:46:55 Right. Now, you're not going to get, the cars are going to be like, Buick. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We have no miles on it. This is a beautiful Skylar. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:07 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Champagne colored, fucking great. Yeah, but you're right. It's a hell of a deal. It is. And it's the normal price. It's not like they're even taking off for the, it's like, okay, this is insane.

Starting point is 01:47:22 I could get this vehicle for 50,000 miles on it or the one with 8,000. and miles on it. Listen, it's a smart play. If you're making the smart play, but I get it, Sarasota, I didn't know they had that going on there like that. There's so many old people. So many old people.

Starting point is 01:47:37 Have you ever been to Sarasota? It's like, it's not, like you go to Sarasota, right? It's like, you're like, fuck. Like, this is nice. Everything is nice. Everything is over the top. Are they rich there? Of course, this is a hugely wealthy community of old retirees.

Starting point is 01:47:54 Yeah. I definitely heard. of it. My elderly experience was South Florida had a lot of elderly pockets, but probably not as affluent of what that is. I know that speaking of other parts of Florida that have a lot of rich old people's Jupiter and Stewart. Yes. Those do really, those got a lot of money, especially the ones that are by the beach. Anything by the beach just makes like that it's on a whole other like stratosphere, not just South Beach or Fort Lauder Beach or what we're familiar here. And it's probably the same way in Tampa, St. Pete, anything that's

Starting point is 01:48:25 over by the water. You know what I mean? It's just tons of money. I wound up meeting this girl. And it's my goal is to make her my wife at this point, whatever. But through the connections that I made through Panama, and Columbia and this and that, her name is Angie.

Starting point is 01:48:46 She's 27. And this was even, and this is my future son that I got to take care of. And that's on my birthday. that she did that whatever. She did it in Columbia. You know what I mean? So I'm like praying to God that I can really bring this home.

Starting point is 01:49:06 And like that would be the great cherry on the story of my life would be that for everything that I've been through and everything that I've gone through and still like kind of landed on my fee, whatever, it'd be nice to kind of retire, just go off in the sunset. I don't really care how many more years I have left. I don't foresee myself having many years anyways. To be honest, I would like to have more, but I don't foresee that I'm going to live a long life, whether it's health-wise or just anything. And I think when you go to other countries, you put yourself in a little bit of a danger sometimes. There's a definite risk involved in that.

Starting point is 01:49:42 So you always want to be careful. I learned that with Panama. There was a definite risk. Risk in what way? Like to get robbed or to get robbed or to get kidnapped or to be set up or go to jail? there, you know, when you can't communicate as well the same way, or, you know, if you're going to get involved in anything that just by chance might not totally be on the up and up in any way, shape, or form you're running a risk, or it's just, if you're going to meet girls or whatever,

Starting point is 01:50:10 and they're just like, they want to get over on you, let's say, and they're going to set you up. Yeah. It could be the taxi driver that sets you up. It could be anything. So, you mean, like, you've got to be very careful. And maybe it's not all countries, but it's, the country's, the country's, that I think I want to go to, I think you got to be more, more, you should definitely have in the back of your head.

Starting point is 01:50:31 And, you know, I wear this, this is a life preserver. So this, you know, being, you know, the whole theory behind having this and my ex-wife has bought that for me was if I lose all of my money, if I just have to start completely over my life, if I never have nothing again, I can sell that and start over and go anywhere and just start a life with what that has value in. You know what I mean? Thank God it's gold is gone like off the charts. But for me, that's what it's become.

Starting point is 01:51:02 It's more of a life preserver than anything else that I wear around my neck to just kind of start over. But I wouldn't go to Columbia and wear this. I don't think that would be smart. No, as you're saying, unless they take that. They will take that. And they may take more of you to thinking if you have that, what else do you have? But I do, I do, I mean, there's, there's a goal here in the next.

Starting point is 01:51:23 that's to try to if I can bring that home truly and until I have it. I mean, I think I do have it. I, I've done very well by her and her son. I saved her life. She had a little bit of a cancer scare. I saved her life, you know, making sure that she was taking care of and this and that in that regard. And so like, I mean, I don't want to say you owe me, but like no one's going to do better

Starting point is 01:51:48 than what I can do. And I think for a lot of girls overseas, American guys. are a prize to them. They are a catch, yeah. They are a catch. And some of it is, it's not just an American guy, you're better, whatever, it's just, it's like anywhere, they're so used to what they have that you're the exotic one, the same way an Asian girl or a Hispanic girl may be exotic to you, typical,

Starting point is 01:52:10 then the typical white, black girls, whatever, especially if you're from smaller areas. If you're from bigger cities, you've seen a lot of different girls of all different kinds. But if you're from a smaller town, it's probably the same old, same old. So what's exotic to us is different to them. And so that's what I'm hoping for. And just I learned a lot in Panama. They were all Colombian girls. Columbia girls and Colombian girls and Colombia, I mean, look, they all win all the pageants, right?

Starting point is 01:52:35 There's a reason that these are the hottest girls on the planet. That girl's a Colombian girl. And so it's just there's something different about them. And in Panama, those were all the girls that worked there. We had Panamanian girls, but it was all Colombian girls that worked there. And if we're, go ahead. I was going to say, we interviewed a high-end madam and she was flying in Colombian girls who would, they could come in for like three months.

Starting point is 01:53:02 And so they would come in, stay for three months. They'd make 40 grand and fly back. And that was like they were coming back with half a million dollars to Columbia. Like they were like, it's fucking, they're just like making a ton of money. Your money goes very far. And I would tell anybody, too, if you're not really stuck in the stage for any reason, And if you want your money to go further, find somewhere else to go. Your money doesn't go far here.

Starting point is 01:53:23 And it's actually going to get worse. Everything that's going on now is I'm a political junkie. I follow all this. Nothing's getting better here. That's another reason I kind of won an out as well as I just don't see anything getting really better here. And I think the grip is going to get tighter and tighter and tighter as things are. A buddy that lives in Colombia. Not Colombia.

Starting point is 01:53:43 He lives in Cambodia. Why do he keeps that? Oh, okay. He lives in Cambodia. He did start. He started in. And Thailand. And then, you know, because when he went there, the, oh gosh, what am I saying?

Starting point is 01:53:59 The visa thing was like you could stay for three months, fly out for a day, fly right back. They give you another 90 days. You could do that forever. And he had been there maybe the last time he did it. He did like three times in a row or two or three times in a row. They said, listen, you can't do this anymore. And he was like, what? And they said, this is the last one.

Starting point is 01:54:21 Next time you come here, they said, when you try and come back in, they said, you got to wait a year. And he was like, what? So it was like his whole plan was, so he went to Cambodia and they didn't give a shit. Like, they're like, they're going to fuck, bro. Just come here and spend your money. Right. You know? There's so much less going on there.

Starting point is 01:54:41 That's a very poor country. Thailand, but yeah, but Thailand's got a lot going on. If Asians your thing, that is where you want to go. I mean, that is a party capital, and it's mainly Europeans, you know, Americans are there. How did you – well, it's crossed my head. How did you meet Wade? Wade had – Wade had like 4,000 – 3,000 subscribers. He had no subscribers.

Starting point is 01:55:09 He reached out to me and said, hey, would you let me interview you? And I had just been on programs, my videos at that time, the ones where I – I was being interviewed, we're getting millions of views. And so he just took a shot. Wade's big at taking a shot. Right. And I said, and he said, yeah, I do it Zoom, blah, blah, blah.

Starting point is 01:55:28 And I checked out his channel and I saw the Zooms. I was like, yeah, sure, I'll do it. And so he interviewed me for whatever, an hour and a half, two hours. And he was so appreciative that he told himself, because I had started my own channel at that time, or was starting one or something. And he said he was so appreciative. He said that he was going through something at the time, right?

Starting point is 01:55:54 Mm-hmm. Which you know what that was. Yeah, he had his own legal issues. Yeah, he had legal issues. Uh-huh. And he thought, he said, told himself, when my legal issues are done, if it works out and I'm not in prison, I'm going to contact this guy. I'm going to go on his channel. I'm going to tell him.

Starting point is 01:56:11 And so he did. It's like, a year and a half later, he contacted me. He said, hey, you remember it? I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, what's up? He said, so I had an issue at that time, and he explained to me what it was. He said, I want to come on your program, and I, you know, and I was like, absolutely. So he came on the program and told a great story. Right.

Starting point is 01:56:30 And it did really well for us, too, at that time. I don't know what it got, what it has now, but at that time, it was like, wow. And he told it, it was so good. And he was such a genuinely decent person, just a. a regular blue collar worker. Right. Regular soul to the earth. All-American middle-class guy, right?

Starting point is 01:56:52 Like, which I love. And I just thought, like, what a great guy. So, like, we stayed in contact. He texted him. He texted him back. Hey, you ought to interview this guy. Hey, you ought to interview this guy. Hey, what about this?

Starting point is 01:57:03 Hey, what? And before you knew it, you know, we just became friends. Yeah. That's how he contacted me and said, listen, man, you got to talk to this guy. Yeah. You got to talk to this guy. I just interviewed this guy. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:57:12 He was, he was, he was, he can't. across again he i agree it was a cool guy great guy and uh i think he found me on instagram whatever so just and i i had um not been on social media for a while so i think i just checked it out of the blue and that's where he was just sitting there and maybe i think it wasn't like a hundred weeks old but like only two or three weeks old that he had uh direct message me and then i was able to kind of put it together with him right and make that happen how many views of that ended up It was like, the first one did 115. That's three years ago.

Starting point is 01:57:46 Yes, that was a ton. Like for us, that was probably a lot. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But then, yeah, we've been friends ever since. He'll come down. He'll use a studio or, you know, we'll meet up places.

Starting point is 01:57:59 And he tried to go on vacation with him once or twice, but he's got a normal job. You know, he and his wife. Okay. They've got like normal people. Yeah. So, you know. He's got a son, I think, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:58:10 He's got a son. Yeah. Yeah. No, but it's cool that any, anytime you can make a friendship out of something like that, it's pretty cool. So he came across as good. And again, I apologize to you. I still have my demons. I still fight.

Starting point is 01:58:26 I was going through some shit the last time with you. So I sincerely appreciate that you, A, even took my calls, whatever. But I still battle my addiction to things to this day. and so and sometimes they get the best of me and you know it can bleed over into some of your personal affairs because you know if you

Starting point is 01:58:49 you go too hard in the paint you know you're going to have some bruises so you know so and that's what happened the first go around was just you know some it was just I mean really it was just irresponsibility and that comes along with being

Starting point is 01:59:03 an addict I think so you know I'm still going through that I have a very addictive personality to a lot of things, and so I do my best to curb how many things it's with because it's never a good thing, whether it's your interest in women or food or yay-yo or whatever the fuck it is. I don't think anything is good. You know what I mean? In access. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 01:59:29 So, you know, like you got to find some balance. There's a chi somewhere in there. I just, you know, I don't know where my chi went. but I got to find it. I think so as far as social media, I do have an Instagram. It's at Mr. and it's always spelled out M-I-S-T-E-R-J-W.

Starting point is 01:59:51 Anything that I do is probably like that. I'm thinking of podcasting again myself. I did political podcasting before. I didn't have a team. I didn't put really too much money toward it, but I was just, I wasn't getting the hits. I was putting way too much time and effort

Starting point is 02:00:06 into something that wasn't getting me the views. Right. And I mean, I couldn't keep fucking doing that. And it was one thing that's like, okay, if you want to monetize this one day, you got to get views. Yeah, yeah. So I'm not worried. I'm not monetizing it, but I'm nowhere even near getting to this point. And it was mainly politics.

Starting point is 02:00:22 Yeah. But again, if you can find me on sFL.comedia. I'm a writer on there. I do writing. I've done interviews. I'm actually a really great interviewer. I probably interviewed maybe 20 local Miami celebrities. I've interviewed Dirt Nasty, who was a rapper, guerrilla tech was a producer, DJ I.

Starting point is 02:00:41 Who's the Miami Heat DJ and club DJ. Eddie Trotto, who's a famous custom bike builder from down south. So there was a time when that was my only job was it was called South Florida Chronicle, and it was a very weed-based. We were new times, competition of new times. So, I mean, I do have a couple of legitimate businesses now that I do to make my money and how I'd pay my bills. But I would love to spend more time behind a camera and whether it's telling this story or doing comedy of some sort. I just, I think I have a story to tell.

Starting point is 02:01:27 And I think I, you talk about motivational speaking. If I really, really went through my story in depth of all. all the sad bullshit, whatever. And to be standing where I'm standing, I think there'd be a lot of people that would look at me and be like, wow, this guy's really surprisingly made it through. And that's even whether, you know, and there's 10 reasons for that.

Starting point is 02:01:46 So I'm kind of entertaining that idea of trying to pivot into something like that and maybe something a little lighter in the podcast world or just making content. You know what I mean? I'm pretty clever. So I don't know. I never took it seriously enough or wanted to, to be a thing.

Starting point is 02:02:04 But do you want to know, to be honest, Matt, I see a lot of very not talented people doing very well. And it kind of even bothers me. I watch Kill Tony. And I'm thinking, like, these people are not funny. And, like, the ones that he has touring for him and, like, that are making a thing for themselves. I'm like, I don't understand.

Starting point is 02:02:25 If I really put myself, my mind in this, I would kill this. So I'll give you one joke before we leave that I wrote. I'm not a good joke writer. Most of my comedy is just storytelling. But I did write this joke. And it's kind of painful. And it goes back to my father and I'm talking about. So when my mother left, my father told me, I never had chores.

Starting point is 02:02:49 He didn't give a shit, whatever. He says, my mother leaves. And he goes, so you understand? He says, he sits me down. He says, I got, you're going to have to do some things now that your mom's going. I said, okay, what's that? He says, I'm going to tell you right now. out you're going to mow the lawn

Starting point is 02:03:04 right here where we live you're going to mow this lawn every fucking Saturday and if you don't mow the lawn I'm going to put you in this closet and I'm going to for three hours and that's how it's going to go every weekend if you don't mow this lawn

Starting point is 02:03:19 and I thought wow that's pretty crazy I mean A I don't think I was ever before by him and B you're warning me ahead of time that you're going to do this this is scary It took three years of me being in my closet every Saturday before I realized and I called them out and realized, not only did we not have a lawn mower, but I lived in an apartment complex where they mowed the lawn for us anyways. Horrible.

Starting point is 02:03:52 Horrible. Three years. Three years in. All right. What a grifty pulled off, huh? Right? All right. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching.

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