Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Prison Boss Reveals How to SURVIVE in Jail

Episode Date: May 27, 2024

Prison Boss Reveals How to SURVIVE in Jail

When they hit my house, I had 27 motorcycles, 10 cars. I had a full-on chop shop going on in the garage. When I'm sitting there on the cell phone inside the prison system, and I got people driving up, and I got them on the cell phone, and I'm directing them at every step they need to do. There is no better rush. I loved it. Horrible.

Horrible, right? That's all I knew in my life, though. Parents were married until I was five. My dad was an alcoholic. My mom was a drug addict. And it seems like that may be that those two don't mix as a couple. My sister and I stayed with my mom and my mom continued to do drugs. And so like having a drug addict as a mother or an addict household, it was just like I go to school and I show up at home one day.

And there would be another guy, there'd be a guy on the couch. And that would be my mom's new boyfriend that she probably met at the bar. There'd be fist fighting and drinking. I remember being in a, me and my sister and being in the back of the pickup truck. They'd be fighting in the cap, up in the front, throwing punches, throwing blows. And your kids in the back of the truck screaming, thinking they're going to crash into a tree or something. And I was one of those kids and all this stuff happening at the home. And then I would just go to school and have to act normal and just have to blend in with all the rest of these kids.

Where's your dad? Is he coming around at all? You know, I do vaguely remember the visits with my dad. And I remember the day that he came and I had this choice. He's like, you can come live with me and get away from all this. in which my sister was like, yeah, I'm going to go live with you, dad, and I stayed with my mom, and I continue in that misery. As a kid, and I'm tall, and so I just got to be able to stay in this conflict of life of my mom

and guys and boyfriends and the abuse and the drugs. Like kids would come to my house the day of the night because I had no rules. I did even in the morning, come back at night. I like to have friends that had stuff, like food at the table, some clean clothes, maybe I could wear and all this stuff because all those daily households all that daily household stuff wasn't getting mad at my household unless it was like the first and the 15th when she got her check but even then towards the end that that was even making it I mean there was times as a kid like my mom would be with these guys and the drugs and the money be all over the place but most

of all there'd be guns around and she would like they'd be fighting so hard and and there would be times that she'd grab a gun and she'd be pointing it at the guy and like if the safety wasn't on like my mom would have just shot them or I'd walk in my mom would be getting raped by guys or and all this stuff and like and I really felt like there was nothing I could do as a kid because I was so little that they just throw me around I just and I finally got to a point my life where I grew up quick and I was looking these guys in the eyes and so at that point there was no more you weren't going to abuse my mom or nothing like that no more at this time my mom like what she starts doing she starts dating her connect her connection her connection became my

father figure because I don't I don't talk to my father I see him vaguely I go to his house and visit my mom finally gets picked up maybe for warrants I remember we get pulled over my mom gets picked up maybe they found drugs maybe it was a warrant and probably was a warrant but or probably was drugs but right whatever uh I go from where we were living I move into with my grandma and um my grandma lives in town and like I sort of lived off in the outskirts of town and like this little secluded area to where like we're drinking pints and and and smoke and weed and and um the change happens eighth grade i get introduced to the like i i meet this guy and this guy is a full on he's older he's like 10 years older than me and i'm big so i'm not like your average

size so i'm like i'm a big kid right and uh and i'm walking the dogs my mom like my mom gets out of jail she's like on this different path she's living with her mom and and and i meet this guy and like and like I think I'm just like this guy I'm just like this boy who wants like this role model in this life and I I've been my mom's connection has been like my role model for the longest time like I've been watching him sell drugs I knew what drugs are like I they're happy in my household my mom would come and and bring me stuff and like my friends would sneak over and I'd be like hey you guys all want to do lines and we all do lines and then we just go ride our motorcycles all night and we drank pints of liquor and and then like I watched this guy and and

And what it is, he, he, he'd tell me things that, like, I, like, I didn't know. He'd be like, he taught me how to, like, sweep a, use a broom and, and mop a floor. And he, and he'd teach me that. Like, if you use a disc, wash a dish. And these are all things that I learned later on in my life. I didn't know, like, what he was teaching me. It was, like, the whole time he was, like, he was, like, training me for prison. And it just got worse.

By the time, my freshman year in high school, I was full-blood. I was, like, like, that something happened in that summer from eighth grade. to the beginning of freshman year in high school. And back then, like, we checked herself into high school. And I was already learning how to wrap up, wrap up, make bindles and make this little bit of side money by selling drugs. This guy that lived, like, two doors down for me. He was an active gang member.

And I just went right under his wing. And I remember sitting there one night with this guy in his house. I step all night at his house. My house was full. My household was full. My household was like this. It was my grandma, my uncle, my little sister, my nephew, and me in this one bedroom little spot like that, like everybody like really no space or no, no privacy.

And then there's a guy next door that like has, he has like, it seems like he has stuff going on. And he teaches me and I learned this flow of how to make a couple dollars by selling drugs. And I remember sitting at his house that one night. and there was a knock on the door and it must have been like this guy just getting just getting released out and like everybody just looked at this guy and like it was just like

he was just like such a big role model to everybody in the room everybody just like stood quiet he came in large and in charge and walked through and everybody gave him this this really good respect I still see it

and it's still clear as day right now and I love that and I love that I started selling drugs And this is 15. This is 15 years old, and I took off from home. 15 years old, Christmas break, and I took off from home. And I started staying on these streets.

I used to, you know, at first it wasn't like I was, I'd go out there and I'd be gone for like two weeks at a time, one week, then in two weeks, and it'd be a month. Okay, are you still going to, you're still going to school? No. Dropped out of schools out. Yeah. I mean, when you say selling drugs, or you're like, going like like a street corner like uh apartment complexes and uh street corners and um hanging out

with and just the client house so there's like uh there's like a street that has a apartment buildings on both sides multiple units and just sort of just run through all of them night and day hang out at the circle k right there on the corner and um and and just sell and just sell all day long you're like a pager what what year is this is this is i don't mean have a pager at this time This is, I mean, pagers are just, I think what, I did have a pager out this time. This is like, um, 94, 95. And, uh, and, uh, and the page. And then the pager comes out and, um, immortal roll of brick phones.

And, um, and that lifestyle starts for me. And, uh, I, I just, uh, I delve in. It was like all I knew. And, uh, I had, I, I liked being in these apartment buildings and selling drugs to the night a day and like I make the laundry room like my little office and uh and people just would come through and and all this stuff and and and all it is is like uh my mom's connection became my connection so uh I was able to to just go get get large amounts from him break it all up and then I just go in there and sell it and sell it and and then I one day I showed up at home and I told

my mom that she can buy her drugs from me now on she doesn't have to buy them from nobody else and um and then not only that she came my mom but she became my using buddy for me i mean are are people getting busted or do you ever get busted uh i don't get busted at this time no i'm too i'm too fresh in the game to really notice it uh i i know this is that um i start messing with uh this guy that i met in the apartment in the park john that live next door and uh and he's rolling around so like i'm i'm in my i remember like my freshman year in high school i'm going and uh and like these guys are well above graduated and they're bringing me and dropping me off at school and like they're they're blasted back with tattoos and uh six four impala's uh it's the whole

the whole thing uh going to like high school parties and like uh beating up people like so like your reputation is coming and um and i and what i do is i start hanging out with these people nonstop this that's the life i went into and by the time i i don't get busted until like 17 years old. I get busted. I get picked up for a GTA. And, uh, and it was, it wasn't like nothing ferocious as, uh, I was out in those apartment buildings serving for as long as I could. And, and, uh, I wanted to go home and get some rest. And I remember that one of the guys parked a stolen car over there on the side street. And I went and grab that stolen car and I wired it up and I, and I, and I, and I missed the wire and had no brake light. So I get pulled over.

And I, and I go to, and I go to, and I go to, and I go to, and I go to, I'm in there with this little slap on the hand, turn around type thing. What's YA? Youth Authority. Okay. I'm not 18 yet, so I can't go into the county jail. And I go in this little trip into YA. I get some community service and kids programs and stuff like that.

And I don't finish it. I don't do it. Like the need for the streets to pull me in, but I'm getting ready to turn 18. I know a lot, a lot of people from what I've been doing for the past three years. This is when people start getting busted It's like the guys I'm hanging out with We're doing too much And stuff's happening on the streets

We're getting busted and we're pulling guns on people We're we're going out there collecting money And doing what we need to do And it seems like I'll never forget, man I was out there I was on a bicycle friends of the guy That I sold for a man He was driving by in this asteroid

van and I remember I'm a kid I'm a big kid but I remember he he seen me riding my bike down the street and he and he grabbed me and he threw me in that van and he took me out in the middle of the desert man and he and he squared up with me and made me fight him

I don't know why because they thought I was putting a needle on my arm and for whatever reason they just wanted maybe just to show that inferior maybe to put that scared like I don't know to see if just to see if you're down if you're going to fight or if you were scared or nothing.

I'm out in the middle of the desert. I'm scared from my life. As a kid, I'm sitting there with this guy, and I'm like, get up. And he's rushing at me. Get up. And it's terrifying. And then he takes me back over to the brother's house. And at the brother's house, he's a big guy.

He's out there. He's doing the deal. These guys are doing their manufacturing metamamine. And it goes from speed, the crystal comes out. Like, I'm no longer like selling weed or anything like that. It's all about selling crystal. Man, and we go in and I'm watching these guys and, and they give me whatever I needed at any time. And just, man, this lifestyle started.

And I no longer did anything with my mom's guy, my mom's boyfriend, anything like that. I'm hanging out with white boy, white peckerwood gangsters that run the streets. And as they get busted or die, you know. And you're still 17 years old? I'm about 18 years old now. I mean, 17 years old comes. At this time when that thing happened, I was probably about 16. At 17 years old, I did that little YA thing.

And at 18 years old, I'm just before I turn 18, you know, because on 18 years old, I get my own place. At 15 years old, I got my own place. At 15 years old, I got my first car. I don't even have a driver's license. and I don't have nothing. I'm just, I pay for it with drugs, and I'm out there just ripping and roaring around in this car, no longer on a bicycle.

And at 18 years old, I'm moving with this girl, and it gets bigger, and the dealing gets bigger, and not the higher. And then probably about the age of 19 years old, it gets like guys really started. um getting picked off but uh i do it i do a little stint and do some jail time and um for what uh stolen cars sales uh or you you you're nothing big dude this is like a little turn around

and what happens is this is that um it's this it's nothing it's nothing but like that first introduction into the county jail where um i go to this processing it's it's scary they throw me in the 9,000 haul. It's scary. I'm big, but a lot of people know me from that. So, like, I get pulled into the right places. I hang out with the right people. And, uh, and I, and I, and I get let out with, and I get let out, man, thinking, that was nothing. It was, it was nothing. I might have been scared the whole time I was in there. You fight when you fight. You don't do this. You don't do that. I'm, I'm on this thing. And, and this is what happens. It seems like all those guys that, that, that, that, that, whose tails I was on or who I was selling for and who I was watching do their thing,

it seems like they all single-handedly get busted, and it seems like my time comes up to the top of the ladder or to that somewhere on that letter, to make it even the grounds. And since I've been watching a manufacturer methamphetamine and doing all this stuff, like I get my hands into it. And so it begins, and I get my hands in the, and it's just like, the rush everything about it was just like in wrenching

to cook a batch to rip it down in the house to blow out a kitchen into the garage from the garage to the kitchen and do all this stuff

to learn manufacturing so I set up a lab inside the garage of a house and at first I really didn't know how to mix chemicals

I'm sort of just like air shouldn't hit at this time you're checking your pH balance and stuff and like one wrong twist or taped the airtight and boom it just blows it right up from the garage into the kitchen it's a it's a rental house i'm just like uh and everybody's like oh my god what's going on and like you just like you you go to another house you set up the same thing you do the same stuff and and and it finally goes smooth and you run for like five or six

months and you and in that time you have enough you go to the next one and um and then you go to another spot then you get a trailer and we start cooking them a trailer in the middle of desert and uh and it and it just keeps on and i remember my i had i had some friends i mean friends of mine are dying out there but uh i remember like sitting out in the berm like i i have a house out and it's sort of like a secluded area in the middle of the desert it's it's it's a decent place and i'd be so uh sketched out drugs just thinking that i'm gonna get busted right i'd be sent there with a pager cell phone right in the middle of the desert watching my own goddamn house and uh and uh this paranoia and um i get busted dude i get busted and um how did that happen um i beat up

this guy which happened to be a guy that put hands on my mom i i i beat him up pretty bad i made him and stripped them on the streets taking shoes everything in his underwear made him walk down the street and uh and uh at the same time i was cooking at my house and um so you you beat him up made him so i what happened is i um i was cooking for the past few days and then like i always stopped by my mom's house and i give her some on my way out to drop some off and when i show up to my mom's house and my mom's trailer uh she has a black eye and uh he comes walking out and he any any guys like pushing up on me and i'm with a partner of mine and um and i just take off i just take off man my mom turns around i see the eye and i don't i don't i don't

like that stuff in any which way possible i don't like it just since i was a kid i've been growing up with all this maybe the trauma or whatever and so i i beat him up pretty bad and uh all the way down the street make them make him make him walk out this a complex and um and still to this day this is just what i think what happened i think that uh i think that um after i beat him up and i and i went away and i gave some drugs to my mom as i was going to go drop off more drugs out there in the in the desert And I get back to my house that night And I get in my garage and my partner's there And some other people are there

And I think that he called the cops Or something happened, right? And then maybe they came to my house Looking for me because of that But what they found is And they, I was, I just remember pulling up to my house And I see my friends El Camino pull up And I'm like, damn, that's shorty's

car and I walk out my garage and it's just the cops and um they got me for a arsenal white supremac gang member arsenal chop shop drugs sales and but not the manufacturing they they my charge was manufacturing but since they didn't find no finished product what they found was a vehicle out there in the driveway which I just got done so I had a vehicle and it's and a and a friend of mine our partner mine was supposed to dump it and and you had a plan but the plan didn't always go through so I have this truck out in the driveway with a couple barrels of waste in it plastic from a room hoses kitty litter and all this stuff in the bed of it so what they get me for is and so I'm fighting it what it is is it gets me for they get me for intent to manufacture instead of a manufacturing

in charge. I end up on a four yard at the age of 21. And I go to prison. I do a few years. And in prison, I meet these guys. And I feel like I ride. I feel like all that training I did with the mom's boyfriend of him, of him showing me the dishes or him showing me like, hey, when I sweep or when I mop, like he'd be like, this is the life you're going to have. Like it now, it all made sense now. And so I'm on the, I'm on the tier. I'm pushing a broom with a wick. I'm going around light and your cigarettes and uh when i i get the shock collar there he um he maybe it's because i'm tall my size or whatever he picks me hey come be my celly i i become his celly and i learn the ropes even on a deeper level on the four yard of prison and uh and that's your back i got your back

he got's my back and it's like can we go back to when you get arrested yeah okay well you you get arrested yeah like in your lawyer like what are they trying to give you like they're trying to get me They're trying to get me from manufacture amphetamine, arsenal. I got multiple weapons and all this stuff. White supremacist gang member. It's gang association just for stuff I have around there and the people I'm hanging out with. And no, and the GTI, in the GBI, which is beating the guy up and chop shop. I have multiple stolen cars there and I have them chopped up all inside the barns.

and and everything that stuck was they got me for the guns and they got me for the intent to manufacturing they couldn't get me for manufacturing because they never found no finished product all they found was all the stuff it takes to make it right so they couldn't get me for uh so it dropped it down intent and they got me for the gbi right and um and i fight it for a little bit and uh but i'm guilty yeah so i mean no but you get well A public defender? Not a public pretender. Right.

What are they trying to give you, though, initially? What are they trying to give you like 10 years? I don't know. I really don't know since I'm, I have one prison prior. I have a couple priors in the YA thing. Like they're coming out and be pretty deep with the manufacturing because that carried like some time. And then, and the gang association carried some time. But like the major things didn't stuck.

And what happens is I get like three with 80. All right. So, I mean, were you, where were you, where you? Because by that point, you're over it. No, you're not scared. You're not, like, at this time, like, it's just like, it's my time. And maybe I just needed a break. Maybe, like, I was out there running so hard.

And the thing is, is that it didn't stop for me. Like, I, like, that right there, like, that point, like, maybe most people would stop or something. I, like, from that point on, like, that maybe that was, like, a peak for me. I remember the day, like, I went to my mom's trailer and, and, like, I've been gone for a while. And so, like, I, all of a sudden, I show up there, I have car. I have, like, this brand new 3,000 Z car. And then I got, like, some money. And I felt like, and I blessed my mom.

And I'm drugs, whatever she needed in a way. And, and I just feel like, like, you really feel like at the top of the world at those times. Right. Everything's going right. Even though everything's going wrong. Right. Yeah, it's not, it's not everything's going, everything was going wrong. So when you end up, so when you end up in prison, I mean, you're not worried about being sent to a level four.

Like that's like, that's, in that, what is it? Is it five levels or four? Four is the highest level you can go to. And why go, why go, because of the guns? Because the guns and the great, and a great ball of injury. Okay. And so it's enough, so it gives me a strike. And so, and so that.

and then and what like and then and then and then and then the GTAs and all the chop so it's like I couldn't get no camp I couldn't get nothing I'm stuck on the four yard like it I'm not I'm not like going to camp I'm not I'm not doing no like I'm not going to a minimum yard and getting no gate passes I'm like I'm in a 180 four yard like uh and uh what's 180 that this means that it's shaped like a 180 yard okay they got they got you know three 70s a half and then a one 80s like this and um and and i i started like you go in places like that and you and you get in there and coming from i come from like that's that's like what i was or and that's that's that means you're somebody to me like you go into a four yard or coming from a four yard like that the respects you got

is is way more than a minimum yard or a two yard or a three yard but like if you coming from a four yard that means you're about something or did something to me i mean that's my opinion and um well when you like you said when the guy one guy got released from prison like people are looking at him like it's a badge of honor right it was actually like actually yeah you're a badge of honor like you earned these stripes in the streets like you did something worthwhile or like whatever it is and uh and that guy that that came in became a good friend of mine and uh and being young being young on a four yard is this um uh and and and and i was humongous i go i go went skinny all of a sudden I'm eating food and I'm working out I'm I'm humongous and I'm hanging out with this guy that has a yard

and he's and uh i i do my time i get out and uh and now i just start with this this life now i just now i can't stop staying out like i get out and i i chase that high of uh of of now it's like people who owed me money and all this stuff like i i mean i had like a motto of like um i didn't want to sell to nobody who didn't have a job or or wasn't out there like i looked that people who were like like if you were just like out there hand handling or i didn't want to sell to you like i i sort of like treated it like a job and and uh and so i get out and um and that's because what these are these are people that have the ability to pay exactly yeah they have money right it's a different sound 20 now yeah i mean i started selling 20s at the age of 14 years

old like you're going to be selling 20s at the age of 21 no you're going to be you want to sell i don't because now you figure that damn right so here it is like that damn if i now if i can cut the source off like like like I'm tired of working for you and for you and for you like if I can just make this stuff myself and just work for me and sell it man that's that's 100% profit right right so here you go down this chain to make that happen and all of a sudden it it becomes your name that that that does happen so when you were locked up like that that first time well this is the second time but in the like nobody you hung out with told you hey maybe you shouldn't go back to this life like hey maybe you should try and do something nobody because there's nobody even if they did say that to me i i want to maybe i

probably wanted to hurt it because i i absolutely just got more connections i got like i got like more tipped up more like everything and at this moment like and and then i get out like i couldn't wait to get out because now i'm going out trying to be right where i left off and you and you get locked up you just lose your turn out there on the streets and so uh and um and the riots I remember, like, my first riot, my first couple, I was scared, man. Like, those were things, like, you're going to the child hall. Like, you're going to the child hall. It's going to kick off.

It's going to kick off. You don't know what's going to happen. You're strapped up. Like, they're firing the gun at people right there. You're on the yard and some stuff's going to happen. And, like, those are scary times. Like, you do have fear. Like, you do.

I pray to a God. Like, I like, man, just keep me safe during this. I know it's going to have. happen like i like you you have this relationship with your celli to where it's like our back my back like we watch each other's back no matter what type thing and uh and um and i never lost faith in my celly like i knew for a fact that like i i and maybe that's what really like kept you strong there too is like you knew like this guy and like i and in the same way like that that that brotherhood between us is like it's it's it's solid right and um and uh and uh i i i i'd love

loved it. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible, right? That's all I knew in my life, though. Yeah. So, I mean, to a guy that knew nothing else, that's it, man. I'm getting out. I get out from this term. People owe me money. I'm on parole, man. Like, I'll tell you what I did do is guys that I, they sold for me, owned car lots. Right. I took every car on their car lot, except for one. Because the guy he couldn't pay? Because, yeah, he's ignoring me. Yeah. So I was Like, okay, cool. I took all 28 cars on a used car lot on one night. And like, and how does that work?

A lot of planning. Right. A partner of mine and a lot of planning. And I went after the guy because he owed me the most money. And it was like he skipped town, but I knew people were like you just were on the streets type of stuff. And how to work is, man, it worked pretty damn good. But I just went there. Cars are my thing.

So I already knew what I had to do. And I remember when I, what they really wanted me for is I took the, I mean, I take everything, tow truck. I don't care of it, whatever, every car they had, but this van, I left his van there. I just took the wheels off it, man. And I didn't do it to take, like I didn't do it because I needed all the cars. I didn't give a F about those cars, honestly. I sold those cars for $100 or $50.

bucks or you need any parts area i'll give you a whole car but i did it to prove a point to like that i'm coming for you because i i pay me my money right and um yeah that was a good time i did a couple other things out there too to prove a point i just uh and uh where do you store 28 cars i was just thinking out i'm i'm going to tell you this this is how it goes is that um like i i i had a for every car like i sort of planted over a week and a half for two weeks and so i and uh for cars would go to this spot three cars will go right here uh these cars will go right here i sort had a laying out of this going in breaking in and whether i had a keys already made for it or i had a new ignition to plug into it or i'm busting the steering wheel or whatever like whatever needed to be

done like i i i knew exactly where the car needed to go and um and uh and some of those cars went and to uh down the street to and just parked down the street until i can get them later some of them went to destination, the better of the cars went to the destination where they needed to go to get me money. Right? And they're already sold. They're sold. That's sold. Boom, boom, boom. And the tow truck I kept. And what did happen is they had a garage in the back of the of this. It was, it wasn't a brand new car lot. It was a used car lot. Right. And in the back of it, they had this shop. And I'm on drugs. I'm high. I'm with a partner of mine. And, And I, and I, I, I, I know something worthwhile in this thing, right?

And, uh, and he's like, man, you're taking too long. You're making too much noise. Like everything's done. And, uh, and like the sun is like getting ready to like the, that crisp, uh, glows coming over the horizon now. And I, and I bust in the shop. And, uh, there's an Eleanor Mustang boss, 427 Mustang in there, dude. And I, and I'm spending way too much time trying to get this started and kill switch.

Because this is the only car I haven't seen. and I get this car and I and I and I smash out the parking lot man I it's so much power like I lose control like I pull out on the gas and like it spins out and I and I and I go off and um and I and I kept that one car I kept it I kept it because why because I get high and I go out and I go to illegal street races with this car and I race it and I race it and uh and I park it at this trailer the park and cover it. And later on down the road, I'm still doing the thing. It's like I'm out to get people. I'm out collecting money. And I figure I can't manufacture nothing right now. And of course, I got people that hand me drugs to just because of who I was in the past. And I get a letter

on the car one day. And it says, if you want to sell this car, please call me. And I, and I, I have all these DUI classes and stuff because I still, to this point, I never had a driver's license my whole life. I do not. By this time, I probably have 140 traffic tickets. I never had a driver's license

my whole life. I lost cars because I just charged into the game because when you're selling drugs, you know, I just get cars from people and just be like, hey, and they get towed. I get pulled over, it gets towed.

No big deal. I get another one. You know, I lose one day. I lost like four cars in one day. No big deal, right? No big deal, right? and uh and uh i'm laying in the bed one night man i'm like i need money like once again like the cops or they're they're harassing me i always say and i called this number and this guy's like hey he's

like i'm like look dude the car is as is it needs back tires right and uh but it's as is i don't have no paperwork you can use it for parts type thing he's like sure meet me there at 12 o'clock tomorrow but of course my time management doesn't ever work and what it was it was a detective that left that thing on the car and what it was is that it goes back to the guy who owned that car a lot found that car and um and now they're looking at me he wants his tow trucks back and all this stuff and um and uh i kept a truck so i can go dirt bike riding and i went dirt bike riding and um wait so so you never showed up at the never showed up man and the cop you towed it okay i had eyes on the car and now they're they're sort of like hitting every house i'm at the cops are looking for me

my mom's house they're looking for me i can't go there they're so i always have this little hideout of this girl like um i'm i'm who i got hostage and uh staying at her house because her house is like hidden and um i'm i'm doing a i'm getting foul with a couple of my i'm going a couple of my friends' houses, I'm wanting to call some guys over, and I want to, I want to like really beat these guys up pretty bad, plastic in the doorways, guys that owe me money. I'm on a collection. Like, I know I'm going back to prison. I want to collect. And so I'm with this girl and like, I don't know that, hey, the cops are, the cops are looking for me and I'm going back to prison and everything's not looking good. And she's like, what are you going

to do? I said, well, this weekend I'm going to motorcycle riding. And then I'll clear my head and I'll come back and I I have this truck that belongs to this guy and I I actually have a car that belongs to me and I I go motorcycle riding and um I got back I dropped my friend off and uh I call my mom and I say hey mom I'm uh I'm gonna come over I'm getting but I'm coming over you know I'm getting busted right now you just want to see her before you go yeah can I get a home cooked meal right type thing can we get high most of time and um as I and my whole idea was this is that I was going to take that truck and um that I have that belonged to him and I was going to drive it out I have a toe dolly that connected on my car and I was

going to connect the toe dolly to the truck and I'm going to drive to drive out to the middle of the desert to the side of the road whatever gasoline light the like the truck on fire and then drive my uh didn't drive my over to my mom's house why that burns right uh as I'm hooking it up The cops, all I here is it breaks the cops and the helicopter and everything and they bust me one more time. And they try to give me 47 counts of like 47 counts of GTA. And since the guys, the guys, like, was like connected to the city and the mayor and all that stuff, it wasn't good. It wasn't good for me. So here I go on another term in prison.

So here I am. I'm busted. I got 47. They're getting me with 47 counts. I just, like, I remember as I got busted. right then and there. This is crazy. I get busted in there. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, they're, they're raiding my buddy's house at the same time that has, like, he doesn't know what's going on. He just thinks that. I just

went dirt bike riding with my friend type thing. They're, they're hitting his house, and I'm, and I remember, and I remember, and I also remember, when I was sitting there, and I'm back the cop car and I remember my mom driving by. And I really think that the cops were, uh, that, that, that the cops wanted me so bad that they were waiting for me to get a hold of my mom to in order to catch me and uh and here i go another prison term another prison term and how long was that uh it was the same name three with 80 so it was it was nothing three with 80 you go there uh uh i went to uh i went i think my second i was a four yard again four yard three yard three yard four yard and um and uh when you get there they're the same people still i literally was a

out of jail. I wasn't long and I literally went to, I didn't really fight nothing at all. I went there and just got my time because I didn't want to stick in county jail because county jail was just, it was just like the, it was like the small ship before the big battleship. So you go in there, I go to court like within a month and a half. I was, uh, I was sentenced. I was guilty. Like they had me. They, this is the thing is that they, they couldn't, they could not, they could not get me for any cars that all they had only cars they had is they had that musting and they had the truck i was in period so they got me for two counts of gta right and and um two counts of gta and and i get arrested i got my prison priors and all that stuff i'm already 80 percent because i'm i'm a striker because

the from the violent crime i committed before i go back to i go back to the yard i go right back to the same reception and the same yard i was i went right back in like a full loop man and less than a year later I'm right back right back to where I was and I do some more time and I get Loki was my this time that Loki becomes my

Selly and um and and and it was Loki Loki was just like he was another big old corn fed white boy

just like me and like he just he was a lifer he was a lifer and like he was and for whatever reason like he he knew how

he knew every little scheme and scan The manipulation of this guy was insane of him, like, being able, like, as if we have rights inside prison. And I can't be in this cell because my outlet doesn't work. I want to move. You can't do this and you can't do that.

And, and we're snorting well, Boutrin. We're taking circle at night. We're making Pruno in the middle of the, in the middle, you know, we're running the tears. And, you know, I think at this time, I was in law. for the most of that whole time in which I 23 hour lockdown days but I had like a job I was like when we were able to come off unlock I had a critical job in a kitchen and I was able to work and and I get that out man and I'm everything but free when I get out man because it just seems that I cannot stop like I get out man I get stuck in this vicious cycle man of uh of uh of

committing crimes dude is when you're in is anybody sending you money no Nobody. Nobody. So you're just, what are you doing to make money in there? I work in the kitchen. And when you go in lockdowns for like one or two years, there's no store ran, there's nothing like that. So like I'm able to, and we're self-feeding and we're getting self-fed.

So I'm able to bring the cards. I'm taking the cards with the food in it to each and every block. I'm bringing like, I don't know if it's three pounds of coffee grounds. peanut butter tortillas man was my hustle inside there and i and i and i and i and i sold uh i sold uh coffee grounds and uh and which you just take because at this time there's like that's hot water so you just take a a a clean sock a dirty sock or whatever sock you have or a a kitchen hairnet a white hairnet and you and you and you put the coffee grounds in it and you and you and you tie it with a piece that you take your plastic bag and you stretch it like some rope

and uh and um you wrap it around it and you make you make your own little coffee filter and you dip it in your cup and you make some strong ass coffee and so uh i sold uh i sold all this um i sold all this coffee peanut butter and all that stuff man and tortillas and tortillas were a big too and i and i put it all in the car i was in the kitchen for a while and plus i i worked in the kitchen on my previous term and then i came back and the and the you know and the guard was still there that worked in there and he immediately pulled me right back to my job and uh now i know we're on a lockdown for a couple years and so i'm we're self-feeding i'm i'm i'm boosting everything i can from the from the kitchen and bring it back to the blocks and i'm selling it and i'm going into every block

one to four and uh and and and um and dropping goods off and so what it does for me it just gives me it gives me everything that i need as in uh tobacco yeah yeah it's horrible i mean that's survival that's survival in there right like it doesn't sound like much but that's the survival in there also locked down for two why are they locked down for two years every time they let them out boom they they they they fight yeah yeah right yeah lock it back down because race riots like boom it's it's it's it's a war so we're going you know we're going at it i i i though at this time i think we went out it with the guards and uh or it's like we went up in the program office and we and we booked a warden or or sergeant or something like

that and then we were just it was just a yeah it was just booked you mean like that somebody he got stabbed yeah like he got they walked it yeah like literally ran into the we ran and ran into the ran into the sergeant's office right off the yard right right into the offices and they and they booked him in it and no and so it was uh it was a it was a it was a it was a lot and so they were they didn't care about us you know like they were for the first couple months it was like nothing going on like they were feeding us and and and prepping all the food and then as as as as as as you know three or four months go by like they they they let a chosen few of people out to go to go to to go do the kitchen laundry services to keep it flowing.

And, yeah, and I was just one of those ones that I got to be able to roam a little bit. And so I got a little free play. I got to get up at 3.30 a.m. in the kitchen. And then I feed to be back by 10. So it gave me a nice routine, some structure for me. So when you got out, did you go to a halfway house? No. I continued out there doing the same stuff I was doing for the next 10 years.

years. And you stayed out for 10 years? No, I didn't stay out, man. I had a strike. I have quite a record at this time. And the one thing I can't do is I, is I can't stay out. And the one thing that keeps on happening to me is that even though I sold a lot of drugs and I did a lot of drugs and I used to do all this stuff. And now when I get on, I'm addicted to drugs. Now I can't, now I can't keep a uh now i now i i i can't i i always had people when i got out that would give me drugs they never were like here is a five thousand dollars man and get on your feet never never it's never garret here what you just got out man i know that 200 bucks goes fast here's here get yourself a job some clothes maybe and help yourself out right it was never that it was like here's some

drugs to sell and uh to get on your feet home boy here at pressure good to see you good to see you so so um i immediately uh as those times go and i and i try you man like i really want to man like i i am i really want to uh do better but i couldn't man because i i got struck i i didn't know nothing else but those streets i try to get a job and work and man it just like just when it happened i try to go to parole and check into parole but like it just it wasn't happening uh and uh and my crimes and i i just became this uh like addicted i i just wanted to be like left alone addicted the drugs you know like i and then it was like wasn't even about selling drugs and I get into selling guns and that and that guy I talked about earlier who I met

like finally like I'm hanging out with that guy that I idol that came through the house out one day that guy that that when I was sitting there on the couch at 15 years old and this guy came in the house and and everybody was just like in awe of him I'm doing I'm doing stuff and I'm we're selling guns throughout the area and from Antel Valley San Fernando Valley all all throughout out there and and I remember sitting there getting loaded with them one day and and I and I'd be like man you're my you're my idol dude like you're my idol man like it like i i want to be like you i want tattoos like you and everything and uh and um and he'd be like man you don't want to be like me he'd be like i remember man it is one of those one of those things we're sitting there and and uh

by this time i'm putting a needle in my arm he's putting a needle in his arm and i'm sitting there talking about i want the tattoos like you have like all that stuff that means somebody who does time i like i want i want that stuff man on me And I remember him getting there, man, him getting so serious. And then being like, you don't want to be like me. And you don't want, you don't want to look like this. Look at me. My life is doomed.

I couldn't understand what he meant, man. What it meant that is that his life is doomed, that he sticks out like a sore thumb. Like he is, he is locked into that way of life because of the way he looks. And this is maybe just his perception that he's locked in this way of life, man. And he's telling me, hey, kid, man, like he, you don't want to be like me. Even though I 100% wanted to be him at that moment, man. And like, like, I'm unfortunate, man. I, I, I, things never worked out in the yards when I wanted tattoos or anything like that.

And so I don't have any. I don't know if it was that time when I first got busted and I came home with this. And my mom was like, man, don't get, don't get tattoos on your body. And it's something happened. I didn't get no tattoos. And I, and that guy to this day is still running from the law and hiding all throughout in all the different states. And every now and then, he reaches out to me.

And, um, and, uh, Like it just like, it was like I'm sitting there with this guy idolized and he was telling me, man, like this life isn't for you. And I couldn't stay out, man. Like my drug addiction and everything that came with it from the streets. Like I'm addicted to the streets and the streets as the drugs. And I couldn't stay out of jail on a violation because I'm a, I'm a striker. And I got like an 80%er. So like every single one of my violations, like get out, be one year.

Get out. for a month it'd be one year i get out be another year went by and uh and and i and i can't stay out and um and not only do that like my whole like my whole like my whole like my whole dream as as this as a convict was i wanted to bring stuff into prison and sell drugs i want to sell drugs in prison just like i sold it on the streets and i and my points start to drop because i'm doing these violations a four yard a four yard to a three yard to a two yard to a to a to i land on this one yard on a night a hard 19 and i'm sitting there on this one yard it's my last trip it's my last time i don't know it's going to be my last time but i'm on this prison yard and like what i want to do man like that by this time

the cell phones are on the yard nobody's smoking now we now we need to smuggle tobacco on the yard not just drugs but we're trying to bring tobacco on here too and uh and it falls in my place that i have those connections on the streets to where like uh i remember sitting there watching everything going out inside the prison system everything going on dude where like you're sitting there and you're and like and and and like this talk about sitting up against the wall and watching everything every single day that goes on like you take a note of like you got four o'clock walk 335 to to 340 walk the eighth side uh you're talking about four four o'clock to to four 15 uh getting ready for chow i got this whole thing i a lot is that man i got these youngsters

that just pray on me because i come from this four yards or there's like garret i'll do whatever for you whatever for you man i got this kid that man he has this he has this phone i made the connections i i get it with the local man i i have i literally have guys jumping the fence and this one yard from inside jail jumping out running to the street rubbing duffel bags and bringing that duffel bag back in right full of full of tobacco one and some drugs and like damn and I'm not talking like one time I'm popping multiple I'm having them bringing into like just just bringing the stuff inside inside inside the prison system and and like damn I was like I arrived I arrived right this kid like I remember this kid

I remember sitting there man and I'm in a cahoots with all the races like you have it's not just like a white boy thing it's it's all divided up in there like this is something like a group effort like hey look man like I need you guys to do a distraction over here like you got the the blacks on the basketball court you got the homies playing handball a couple of white boys with them white boys on the track and I'm walking I know what cop is wearing everything going on I'm watching this kid jump this fence dude get over the next fence all the way down and the goalie and I watch him lay flat in the glad and I can only imagine how scared that kid was when he was sitting there on the other side of that fence right

there getting ready to grab a duffel bag if I don't know if it was and I might have been two and that and like and like how he messed up felt dude because what he didn't do is he didn't make it to the street is he turned right back around and he jumped right back in right and he's like I can't do it man I can't do it and I fuck man like you just what right you're already outside you're already you're already outside and I remember this other guy this other guy from another black guy came to me his name is rabbit dude he says I'm the fastest dude on this yard man I'm the fastest dude. Like, what is it going to take?

Like, what would you pay me to go? I'm like, what do you want? Like, what do you want, man? Because back then, counts of tobacco, we're going for a private penny, especially when you haven't been smoking. Like, there's always heroin on the yard. That's like a number one hit. Like, there's always heroin there.

I want to bring everything besides the heroin because I see more heroin inside the prison system than I ever seen on the streets, dude. But I'm going to tell you, like, but this guy, he came to me and I gave him what he wanted. And I'm going to tell this guy, the same plan. that I had for that guy. This guy jumped over all the roads. And I mean, to the point, this is, you talk about nervous and scared, like, to the point

like this, is like that, that guy is coming in hot, man, on the fence. I'm watching the guards walking up, dude. Like, it's yard recall. It's like the first bell has blown it. It's yard recall. And this guy's coming around the fence, dude. The bags are, right? He did the bags over the fence, but this guy, like, we got to cover him.

So, like, I'm big. Like, we all have to make a wall to block the guard from seeing the, this guy come over the fence like it's it's like and i'm talking like the guard is like it's like he i don't know if he knew something or he felt like like how we were just all like asking him the dumbest like questions like where'd you get your boots from today sir he's like what's going on they there he's like hey man what's going on hey uh and as i look around the corner i see the guy walking in man and he goes to iraq man and everything worked out and i'm going to tell you it ain't nothing they ain't nothing like when you're sitting there like that just got pulled off that is

a great victory when i when i'm sitting there on the cell phone inside the prison system and i got people driving up and i got them on the cell phone and i'm directing them at every step they need to do drive down the drive down the road i see you in that car i need to drive in the first building part there's going to be a guy there with horns on his head that wrap around his ears he's going to come up he's going grab that bag and that guy takes that bag and he divides it all up and at this time and then and that plan that comes and works man like there is no greater in any and anything that at anything that That's a premeditated plan that works out when it comes when it comes to like it, damn, that worked out. Like when I'm sitting there, it's one thing to sit with 10 pounds out there on the streets of methamphetamine.

But when you're sitting with a quarter ounce inside of a cell, boy, man, I'm going to tell you, it feels so, like so much more than that little amount that you just had right there. Like when I was sitting there weighing up, when I'm weighing up pinky nails for 100 bucks, dude, out of a quarter ounce. I'm meeting. I sat there for hours of pinky nails, dude. a baggies man and going out to a yard and all of them are gone by the time i come back in from the nightyard and i and like that plant like it was it it it amazed me but there is no better rush than that feeling right than there like that was a rush for me right and um and uh and and and that was my goal see that's that's that's that's what a guy like me that's that was like the

high as my thinking could go it was like that that was like it was like set man i and i and i and i do this multiple multiple times and it was always big it was always like a bigger it's always like a bigger nest or something like that or are getting people involved and uh and and and and that was it man and uh i get out of prison one more time and uh it's nothing i get out of prison for me getting out of prison is this is this something that i'm so accustomed to i got and uh so what happened when you got what what changed it i got two questions one what a rabbit asked for Oh, what Rabbit asked for? He wanted half a bag of tobacco, which, I mean, you got to figure, a half a bag of tobacco.

I'm doing five bags at a time. You're talking about $1,000 per can. You get like eight cans per bag. I'm saying? And so the amount of money that you make, you're fucking Rabbit. That's it? Right. Done deal.

Yeah. Right? Done deal. Doing business with that for me at this particular time when I did business with the, with the blacks in there at this time man like they they there was always it was always so so smooth it went so smooth every single time but when i when i was doing business with the homies or something like that it was always some fucking bullshit happening dude and uh and and it like what would have happened to him if he got caught uh escape yeah moved to a different yard higher level never

he would have been inside the he would have been inside the big yard i'm saying and um and yeah and that And I'm going to tell you, Rabbit was fast, dude. Like, he, he booked from the, I mean, you literally watched him book. And I, and I, and this, and I, and I didn't have him in CDC wear. Like, we had them in a pair of jeans and a white t-shirt, some brand new shoes. And like, in a, and a, in a, in an IPA jacket that he was able to, he was able to put it on. And that way, Bob wire ain't going to affect him. Like, when you, you throw it over the fence, you climb over that.

Right. And, and, and this is all in the middle of the time, because you got guards. on doing a perimeter check all the time. So, like, he was, like, and he was, man, this guy was fast, dude. Rabbit for sure. He was a rabbit. So explain that, uh, the process of how he's jumping the pinch. How is he getting out?

He's taking the jacket and throwing it over. He's taking that. He, he, he, he, there's like two fences and there's like, and there's just a bob wire. There's this bob wire. And so what he's doing is he's taking that jacket and he's, and he's throwing it, cotton side down. You know what I'm saying? Over.

and sliding over it man and uh and and then and then on the same thing on the way back in same way peeling the jacket off and coming in man and uh and like you're you're going over the first gate there's only like a single line of bobwire he's able to get over that's right next to wall and then there's like a little side piece that's on the side of the building that's like be like no different than having like a little dog run on the side of your house like it's closed off because it's a it's a blind's eye view and so you you go into there and then and then go out Because that gives you the corner, you're going up, you have like the, the, the, the structure of what you need

or the support you need of the wall and the, and the stronger portion of the fence to throw your, to throw it. And it's darker and it's like, it's, it's, it's the blind eye. Now, that's what you're looking for, that, the blind eye view, right? And, uh, yeah, jack it over the fence and, um, and this dude was gone and back, dude, so quick.

And with two, with two, with two of those, like, duffel bags. And, uh, and he, and he helped those bags over. and they have tables on the yard in the minimum yard right next to the handball court right there and we have our wool black blankets over there covering the table so you don't hit your knuckles when you're slapping cards and uh and he throw a bag over he threw a bag the homies would grab it they wrap it in the blanket right the duffel bag would be wrapped up in the blanket and they sort of walked in like everything and everything be like blocked just like smooth as day and the next

and the same thing like white boys be playing cards and they did the same day and they would walk on in with just like two bags and then uh and you go to iraq and you have count time and then all you would see after count man is just a a layer of smoke man from from the top of the from the top bunk because it's a it's a it's a day room like it's a day room setting and you would just see smoke dude all the way down man you walk in like god damn that holy crap couldn't even wait till lights out no nobody could wait to lights out man nobody can wait to lights out and um and uh yeah And when you got out the second time, when you were preparing to get out

and you knew you were getting out, were you thinking you're just going to get out and do the same thing over again? On this particular run, on this particular term, I got out, I'm busted, it was like a GTA. There was enough time from my first term

to this term, there was a lot of time in between, probably like 10 years, over 10 years. years and um and uh my point is like my point i still had a hard 19 i couldn't get no like same cdc number just a hard 19 so my points came down a long ways because the violations or good time or whatever i was following instructions in there i wasn't i wasn't needed to make a name for myself or wasn't an ad seg or in the hole anything like this this is uh but um i went to get out and this is what you don't want to happen when you get out man as i remember it was my release date

and uh and what happened is that morning when they come you're trans packed and you're ready to go and you give all your stuff away and i'm sitting there and i'm waiting on because you're like you can't sleep i i can't sleep maybe maybe some people but i couldn't sleep the day or maybe even two days before i was getting out because i'm so anxious about getting onto the streets like everything like oh my god like and i don't know was this like a that the like the like you get in there what to expect like you're not doing no drugs to say like you the path you got to walk but now i'm going out man and i got freedom i got i got freedom of my choice and i'm going to go out there and what it is is deep down i know i'm going to use but what happens is morning and the trans pack

and they usually come they come pick you up and they take you to the main yard to to dress out over to r andr and damn they don't get me fuck their walk they come in to grab everybody that's getting released that day i'm at the i'm at the glass door sitting there like ready man bag ready to go man and they don't come and what happens is i got a hold and uh i got another warrant somewhere else man and i got to wait there for they're gonna come and get me they got two weeks to come and get me they come and get me in a week i go back down to county jail and uh it's always the worst coming from the penitentiary to the county jail man i'm in the the politics are i mean it's all the same but the politics are different from state to the county and i'm sitting there in

in the county jail, man. And, and, like, it's just like, I already don't want to be here, man. And, uh, and, uh, I don't want to be there. And I'm, they didn't catch the hold. They didn't catch it. Yeah. They didn't catch the whole time.

Like, and I put, and I, and like, I filled out paperwork and, and all this stuff in between. And I, and I, and I parole to a hold and the hole picks me up. I go back to the county. They throw it out. I go to the court. They throw it out. I, I, I get released, man.

And, uh, and, uh, and, uh, And this now is probably like three weeks after I was posted. It's maybe two weeks after I'm supposed to get out. And I don't even make it home, dude. I, uh, I meet a guy getting released. I end up, uh, I end up doing some, um, credit card schemes and, uh, reader writer and, and, and, and cars, I'm in a, I'm in a town. I never even heard of with the, with the girl I just met in the hotel room on a bogus number.

I'm saying, doing some reader riders. I don't, I met this guy. I met this guy, man. And he was like, you should come with me. Okay, let's go, dude. That's it. Let's go. I need a belt, man.

I go there. I still got my dress out. So I, but I need a belt, dude. He's like, I got a belt at my house, man. I end up in Los Angeles somewhere in, in Las Angeles. I know at 5.30 in the morning, I'm at a casino. In Hawaiian Gardens, I believe, I'm in a casino, man. And believe me, at 6.7 and a casino at 6 a.m.

fresh out hot man i i feel like i'm below i feel like i'm the brightest i feel first of all like uh everybody to me feels like they're four foot five foot there and i'm just like way above them and it's early in the morning and i feel like my whole is this glossy and i feel like just like like i need to get out of here and this guy's like man i know this girl i'm a picker up we're gonna go to this hotel room man and we go to this nice sweet man has a like i'm not even asking questions. I'm just like, hey, let's go. And he's doing this. He's doing this thing, his fraud thing. And he gives me all these cards. And he leaves me with this girl inside this suite, man. And I'm there for a few days, dude. And I finally drift on home, man. And I'm going to tell you, it's like my whole

coordination. Now I've been up for like three days. I'm making up lies to tell like my kid's mom. Like, hey, when I just got out of the county, all this stuff. And what was the credit card fraud she gave you cards you guys are running yeah like she go in and steal the cards right you know and then like and then he had the reader writer he'd rewrite him he just recode them it's a gift and not just like a gift card types you know type things and you go in there and did you uh buy 50 you buy 55 dollars get 45 bat cat type stuff and uh so now i'm going into stores I'm buying all this stuff I don't need like clothes I always feel like the like I clothes don't fit me like I'm so where I'm just used to wearing these gray shorts and white shoes and this white t-shirt and then I

bite some pants and I don't I don't even know like I'm I'm buying clothes that don't fit and uh and um I'm with this girl man I'm stuck out I'm I'm with her man getting high in this in this hotel room reader rider eating food for the for the next few days man I I remember I walked down to the office and I'm like um I'm like can you give me a map man can you can you can you I'm like how do I get to Antelope Valley and can you can you get on your computer and give me directions and and he printed out this whole like three pages of like uh orange line the blue line to like this stop to uh to get on to the the the train the train here it will take you to like monta bella monabella to downtown to san fernando san fernando and you'll finally make it over to annel valley man and that was

an all-day trip it took me must of eight hours dude and i was lost man i was like i didn't know and i have bags of stuff with me i'm i haven't slept since i've been out everything is just like now I'm chain smoking cigarettes and um yeah and that that's what was for me but um what happened after doing so much time and doing all that stuff is that at the very end of it uh i get busted one more time i i uh i get busted i uh i get busted i get home i get busted right after that for what for uh just drugs just drugs man just just uh i ask Actually, I don't even think, they didn't even find the drugs that were on me, man. It was just a pal warrant parolee out large.

At the end of it, it was like this for me as I get out, man. I'm staying with these, I'm staying. I got some girls, some strippers and stuff that I stay in this house with these strippers. I'm still in that street life of I can't stop selling to support my habit. At this time now, too, since I started putting a needle on my arm inside prison, that when I got out, I couldn't stop putting a needle in my arm on the streets. And even though I would have been more content of myself just putting my staying in amongst the homeless in encampments and the washes and all that stuff with people so I can get high in peace that I had some people that cared about me enough that wouldn't let me that happen to me. And these girls, they have me and they pull me up and they'd be like every night, man, they come find me.

Every night, man, no matter how bad or how hard I try to hide, man. They swoop me up and they take me to the house. So I'm in a safe spot. And I get busted, man. I'm running around and that street nonsense. And it's on Valentine's Day of 2013, on Valentine's Day of 2013, man, I'm in a shootout on the streets. I've been out for about 45 days. I'm staying with those girls.

The cops are looking for me for things I've done, but I really don't know. I did so much drugs that I'd probably be blacked out towards people and stuff like that. And how did this shootout happen? On Valentine's Day, I went to go meet this girl and because I needed, I wanted to go stay at. I've been up since I got up, man. Like, I'm just telling her like, I need to sleep, man. I need to go to your house and sleep, man. Because I was like, I needed a quiet spot.

I needed to get away from wherever I was staying at. And there was this guy that I was looking for that and I told him if I ever, if I ever saw you or I'm like, look, man, you don't need a wolf to me on phone like when i see you on the streets because we're both running on the streets and i'm bound to see you what time it is man it is so happens at six o'clock that morning when i got dropped off at this apartment complex and i'm like who's here and she's like uh and she's like uh drop dead's here and i'm like i'm like really and like it was just like two dogs meeting two people i turned over i looked he saw me i saw him and uh he pulled up i i went to try to square up with them right there in the in the car and stuff like that because he's blocked in because it's an apartment with the

gate so he's so he's at the gate i come over the side i try hitting him do the the window and stuff like that and as i start swinging on him the gate opens he drives off and and now i'm with this girl and this youngster kid and and we're walking down the street and uh and i hear his car coming around the block and i and i step off the curb because he's coming down the street and uh the people you know the girl and the guy i'm with sort of go the other way and as he comes around and he stops on that yellow line and he points his gun at me and he starts firing man i to start running towards them and uh because that's that's where my that's where my disease at this point of my life this is what the disease addiction and and this is what everything like i just

like i like if i would have died like to die in a battlefield or it would be like i left my name meeting something like i'm out there if i would have got shot in a and like some gang activity or or or running the streets like it may be like damn it that that that's meaningful and uh no bullet ever hit me. By the time I reached his car, he took off. I chased him as far as I could until I was out of breath. And all I was doing was seeking revenge that night, man, I was, I called that personal office gangsters call and we get in trouble. I called my mom, you know, mom, I need that thing. I got at your house that's in my, that's in that vehicle that don't run. And she's like, I'm not at my house. And I got loaded. I get loaded with my mom. So I got loaded with my mom that

night and I'm hot dude so my mom was like I'm not going to any place you're at you can come over here and I I go over there I get loaded with my mom her friends and this girl I'm with she drops me off at this liquor store and an off-duty officer recognizes me coming out of that liquor store and at that liquor store I'm getting a bottle of vodka and and I'm going to my hideout and and I'm sitting there pulling up getting loaded one more time waiting for a couple my partners come here because i'm going to go get this guy and i and i know what's going to happen if i if i if i stayed out but but then me being at this house for like three to five minutes i don't know i don't know how time it could have been five minutes could have been 20 minutes i don't know

i just know that i'm pulling up shots i'm getting loaded i'm waiting for a partner might have come and i'm gonna go get my gun and i'm gonna go get this guy and they and they come in every door and every window and they lay me down on the ground one more time i'm arrested one more time one more time I'm arrested, dude. And arrested or stayed, whatever you want to call it, man. And I go into jail and that's... What does it charge this time? Say, parolet at large?

Parolee at large. Just because you never checked in. Never checked in. Parole out large, right? Right. And they put me in. They said, why don't you try this drug and drug program? Because it's a drug-related charge finally.

Up to this point, I really never had like a direct. drug charges, it was always, uh, it was always guns or guns or weapons, weapons charges and sales charges and all this stuff. And at this time, it was a, it was a substance. And they, and they put me in a treatment center. And, uh, I arrived on a, I arrived in a treatment center on March 17, 2013. And, uh, I've been clean and sober ever since, man. I've been living a life of recovery. And I, I put that lifestyle, I put that whole lifestyle that I lived, man. And I, and I started a, On March 17th of 2013, I started a whole new chapter in my life of recovery. Okay.

But why? Like, what, what happened? You know what I'm saying? As I sat. Never an option before? It was always been an option. Did you just never, you never even considered it before? I never considered it.

I never. So why this? Why now? Like, why did I sit there? Yeah. Why did they say, hey, this. And then you, like, before you had been offered. Before I never had the option.

Before they never. I never was, I, I never had the option of doing this before in my life. I never went down to parole board meeting down the bottom of the halls and they said, we're going to give you a drug program because my stuff, I didn't have those kind of charges that would, that would make me a drug. Even though I am 100% addicted and that leads everything, but my charges were different. I'm beating somebody up. I'm getting busted with guns, a GTA and all that stuff.

Those are all my controlling cases. And that's, and I don't know the luck of the draw that came down to it, but like, deep down inside me, I wanted to say, I was, I was, I was sick and tired of living that lifestyle. I was living. It just happened that they said this one time. Yeah. Here. It just happened to. It just happened. How everything worked out, man, on that parole board meeting, man. It was like maybe something that the ways of the system were changing and they wanted and they wanted people to, and they were, and I don't know, man. I don't have no, I don't have no, I can't tell you, man, no. So you went down there. You talked to some people.

they gave me a program they gave me a drug and treatment program and it's it's it's a residential program no it was it was it was it was you're you had to stay there i had to stay there and i stayed there for and i stayed there for about 18 i stayed there for 18 months whoa that's a serious i had to i had to i couldn't like as much as i wanted to leave that i had to change everything because everything dude everything i at this time i had a i dropped out of school my freshman year i i went to school, two months of my freshman year, and I never went back to school. I had, I never had a driver's license my whole life. I never, never taxes, no driver's license, no ID cards. I, just a state ID card. I had a daughter who I didn't talk to for nine years, ended out of

addiction. Like, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she'd see bits and pieces at me. Like, she, my mom would bring her to the, my mom brought her one time to the, to the, to the, to the county jail. And I remember my mom, I remember coming out from a visit. I'm fighting my case. My mom brings my daughter. And she's in this little, she's in this little, she's in this little cubicle and I'm everything but happy to see my daughter there, man. Right. I'm everything but pissed off at my mom for bringing this girl, a little girl there. I'm like, how could you, man?

Because I didn't have no love. Like I didn't have no part of me knew nothing about. I'm selfish and self-centered and all I thought about was getting, putting drugs. Like I just, like running the streets and putting drugs in my system is all I cared about, man. Right. And, and man, I stayed in that place for 18 months, dude. And it was just, like, deep down inside of me, man, like, you get to a point, I was 33 years old, and I was just, I was just tired of running those streets. And I was tired of doing time. And I was tired of all that homeboy shuffle and all that stuff, man.

And, and it just seemed like there was enough of me out of the way that, that I was in a place to, I had nothing, I had nothing left, man. Nothing. So was that something that, like, the very first day or week you were there, you thought, I'm going to, because most people, they go into the program, those programs, and they think, I'm going to. to fake my way through it so I can get out of here so I can start all over again I'm going to fake my way through it because if I go through the program I get less time than if I went to prison and it's easier here and I'm going to fake my way through it get out and then I'll start over again fuck these people was that your initially because I mean I went through ARDAP in a federal prison right nine month program residential and I watched guys go in and they were all going to

fake it fake it and like two three months in suddenly one day they would change and you could see him change like you'd see it one day like they would say something and you'd look him in the face and be like oh wow this dude just he like he's all in now he's just bought into it like was that the thing or was it from the very beginning you thought I'm gonna try when I got picked up that time right then and there I went to the county jail waiting to go down to that board meeting I'm drinking hand sanitizer with top ramen packs on it because they have alcohol inside the hand sanitizer we steal the bags out of the out of the out of the out of the dispenser and and and and put it in a cup little styrofoam cup right top ramen packs on it a little

hot water to break it down and I drank it for a head rush and then see I am like when I'm in that system I am somebody I've done enough time to where like that that was my home like I knew it inside the walls way better than I knew on the streets like I didn't have like the mentality to live out here on the streets like i was that and i had that animal like savage lifestyle like i i knew how to i i had a fake my living out here on the streets right and um i'm eating happy cards drinking hand sanitizer and like that's why i can't i don't count none in that jail time like that february 14th they got busted and march 17th is when i arrived at the treatment center but i know from march 17th and then and the one thing i why i say march 17th because i think that's that's

the day like deep down is like I made a decision for myself because because here it is like for I was a product of my environment or or like my circumstances that I was in sort of made my choices and I never I wasn't making the choice for myself it was like oh Garrett you're you're busted one more time and you're and you're going to jail I'm forced I'm forced into a position to to not drink and use because I'm I'm in jail and and but as soon as the opportunity comes up I'm I'm all over it, right? I'm all over it. But on March 17th that day, man,

I walked into that office of that treatment center and they gave me, they gave me the 24 hours. Hey, if you want to go, go. You know, we're not looking for people to waste our time. We're looking for people to be serious about this. And it was just something deep down inside me, man, that I was, that I truly wanted something different, man.

And I made a decision. Like, I went in there and made that decision for myself. They say to make no decision is to make a decision to die. and I went in there and I made a decision to live because I felt like I was dying out there for the long as I lived

man and all the stuff I was doing like I wouldn't I didn't care about the stuff like I said if I would have died out there in the glory of a street violence or something like that I would have felt like I died a soldier

with a badge of honor with an honor or something like that right but here I am as I walk into the treatment center I made a decision for myself man that I wanted something better man maybe with my daughter my family

for multiple reasons but mainly because Because I was just done. I was done. I think you come to a point where it's like all that stuff was fun in games in your 20s and stuff and early teens and in your 20s, but here I am in my 30s

and not, you know, there's only two choices left, life and prison or death. So 18 months. 18 months inside this place of learning how to, learning how to, of course I worked in the kitchen

just like I did in a penitentiary. I still sold burritos just like I to make a living. Right. I need some shit. shoes. And what I did is I learned a new way to live as in, as in, uh, um, got me a job making four bucks an hour, do a temp agency. Uh, I couldn't get a driver's license. So I wrote a bite to that tip agency every single day to get it to work. Uh, I come back to that. I come back to that place

and I, I participate in the groups they have done. And, uh, and I got involved in a 12-step program. And, um, and then as I met people in the 12-step program, I, I met a guy. I, I, I met a guy. who called my sponsor who like was an example of what like life had to charge is another contract that sort of went down the same path and like each one teach one just like no different than a than a than a guy coming in to prison and like and if it's like hey cool this is a cool guy then I'm going to show you the ropes and there's no difference I came in the recovery and I met a guy and he showed me the ropes and he was just a great example of what to do and uh I didn't know man I didn't I didn't I didn't know how to live on the streets I didn't know nothing

about like I was at the end of it I was running fraud in my own bank account so I couldn't have a bank account now and uh I I went in to try to get a driver's license and that was so far I didn't get a driver's license until I was at three years clean and sober because all the stuff I had all the stuff that wreckage of the past that I had to clean up I didn't talk to that little girl for nine years I didn't talk to my father for over 20 years and I had to stop talking to my mom for the the first couple years I was in there right and I had to start living life like I had to learn everything. I had to learn how to live life from this point forward, man.

I did all the groups, and even though it was all the gangster, like, it's like I was in a treatment center that was like still running politics and all this stuff, man, and there's still drugs. And like I said, it was like the choices you made, man. Like deep down inside of me, I wanted a better way to live. And like I got that job. I started working. I got connected into the meetings of Alcoholics Anonymous.

And I got me a sponsor. The sponsor would come. and he come read the books with me. And I stayed, man, like, I got this job. And I really wanted a car bad, dude. I really wanted a car, man. This is why this is, this is why I have trust issues right here. So I work, man.

Like, you get paid and you have to turn all your money in because they save it for you. You get like, they're like, what do you need money for? Like, I need money for cigarettes. I need money for Zoom, Zoom, Whamms. I'm going on a pass this day. I need 20 bucks. All right, cool.

You here is $60 for you for the week. The rest goes. into your little bank account and so by the time i started working it's like i got almost a year i've been saving these i'm not making much i'm making like 287 a week and uh and uh but i have a last few grand set up side and um and i really want a car bad i don't even have a license but like i'm manifesting me getting a driver's license and stuff i'm like i'm gonna buy myself a present i'm gonna buy me a car so i so when i do get my driver's license i'm good right and i'm looking And I go into Craigslist and I see this lad, you know, this lady selling her husband's car, divorce, all that good stuff that you see in those.

And I tell the office and everything there that I'm going to buy this truck and have it and have it here at the treatment center. So because I'm going to get my license soon. And I go down there and I send pretty much everything I have on my bank account through a not a PayPal, but a Western Union slip. And there goes all my money. It was all a scam. It was all a scam, dude. It was all a scam. And they're like, thank you.

And I felt so like, how did I fall for this? How did I fall for this, dude? I'm sitting there with this guy and I'm telling them how they want more money to bring the truck out. And he's like, look, Garrett, he's like, man, like no more money sitting out that way, man. So I don't buy nothing unless my hands, unless I could touch it or I could see it nowadays. and I was burned. And what it is is that, man, I started a life of recovery, man. I was in there for 18 months.

I started talking to my dad again. I started, I talked to my mom, but I got reconnected with the relationship with a father who I didn't have, who I didn't talk to you for 20 years. And I started, and I started fresh with him. And it was hard. It was awkward. It was like all the emotions you can ever thinkable. But I'm going to tell you, like the more time that I spent with him, the more that

I talked with them, then more that all that stuff just disappeared and I, and I had a dad present in my life, man, and all the way up to the point where he passed away. And my dad, my dad was that, I was there. Like my, like for so many years, I never show up. I never, I never, I never, I never, like my dad, I was nothing. But every time my dad was like, every Fourth of July, every Christmas, every Thanksgiving, every, whatever it is, I bring me and my daughter and I go there and I participate in every family function man and I sat there and I and I never drank and all them would and I just I just I got like

to reconnect with my father and I and I and I at the same thing too as my daughter like at nine years old she was like eight years old and I and I and I got to develop in a relationship with my daughter and to this day she's like my she's like my my number one hero my best friend like I we started surfing together like but like when she was like 11 years old we started surfing together and now like my our favorite thing to do man is that we just go surf together man and it's like it's it's like it's like this like small things like that and uh and um and in my life in recovery man it's like it's like i it's like you're either all in or you're all out man like there's there's no like uh there's no half measures like it's like uh i i i came in and i and i and i completely had

to abandon this old life and everything i knew about life and i and like i and i had it like every prejudice, every everything that was in my head that I thought I knew I had to like I had to like relearn life man. It's like it's it's it's no different than like like this guy like a like since I was so young and I went and I went to jail young like I learned how to shave with these like orange grenade razor blaze. I was like every day like when you have court like you you get these kiddie razors man and you and you a big razor man you shave before court and I sort of you take soap cold water soap and I put it on my face and I and I shave like I always cut my head and I cut my I just be like a massacre happen every single time right and what happens like

for this new part of my life it was like I was shaving in the bathroom one time man and I was at a retreat with my this guy I called my sponsor and I was at this retreat man and he seen me and like the doors open I'm shaving we're going to go down to this meeting and he sees me shaving and what it is man is a guy comes in there and he comes in there and And he said, first of all, here's a, you might want to try this razor. And instead of using that soap, you probably want to use this gel. And this is how you don't need to show me a new way to do it. And this same thing is happening for my life, man.

Like, all those old ways that I thought were living, man. Like, what it is this is that I had enough of me as a way to where people were showing me a new way to live, man. Like, I had to learn how to, how to carry a wallet. I had to learn to I had to learn how to be a a dad to my daughter I had to learn to be a son

to my to my to my to my to my dad I had to do the sisters I didn't talk to I had to learn to be a family member I had to I had to learn all this stuff I learned all this stuff by the 12 steps by being by being consistent by throwing my stuff by throwing myself into recovery man and just like and doing these 12 steps

and doing all this stuff man like it just sort of like it just sort of, just sort of just, like consistency and just doing it, man. It just sort of like just gave me like a new stamp in life, man. I'll tell you, like I always thought, man, like if something never happened to my mom or because I was like my, my, she wrote me a letter every prison term. I always, I always knew within a couple months my mom was going to write me a letter. She maybe sent me 20 bucks one time if I like it.

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for the summer's biggest adventure. I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited. Sorry. Smurfs. Only dinner's July 18th. Christmas or something like that. I get 20 bucks for my mom or something like that.

And I always thought, man, like, if something happened to my mom, like, I don't know if I'd be emotionally strong enough to be able to withhold that. Like, I don't know if, like, that would be like my reservation of why I might go out and use it. And I put enough work in, man. do the 12 steps got of my understanding to all the stuff that works man that when my mom died

like she died my dad died first and uh less than a year my mom died and uh and like and like your emotional like wreck man and i'm gonna tell you but the last thing i ever thought about man was going out there and taking a a drake hit or fix and putting inside my system and to change their way i feel about this and i and i just and i just went out there man and uh and and i and my greatest my greatest asset man like i i live a i live a very good life today and uh my greatest asset today is man is going into the depths of hell of the life i was living and being out there on those streets and and and gang members and streets and and and all this stuff man is being able to have my hand out there in that pot man and to be able to see a guy and recognize that guy as me as a guy that's

out there who's been running those streets so long involving gangs can't stay out of jail who's addicted to drugs, who doesn't talk to his family, who doesn't, who loves his kids, but he can't see his kids because he's ashamed and the guilt and all that stuff that he carries with him, man, is I get these guys, man, and I showed him how to live a new life, man. And that's, that's, that's my primary purpose today in life, man. Can I ask, how old were your parents when they passed away? Young. Yeah, I was going to say, because you're not, you're not young. Parents were, parents were, I think mom was 59, dad, maybe 60, Yeah, that's young.

Yeah. Because what, just hard life, just alcoholism and addiction? For my dad, it might have been alcoholism? For the earlier generations and stuff like that, like whiskey, like my dad. What did I die of? What? Honestly, like, his insights failed him. Like, I think it was, I think alcohol, I think alcohol, liver is insides and all that stuff gave out.

Okay. And he died. And then my mom had a had a brain hazard. aneurism like my i was on a ride with some friends of mine going on her hearties and um my my sister called me and she's like hey i went by the house and and mom like she had a stroke and uh and she lost and she went to the hospital by the time she got to the hospital they were like she has aneurism in her brain we have to like do emergency operation and and there's a 95% chance she's going to live and uh when she came out and and when she was the way she was like it was like uh nobody wants to live

as a vegetable and that was it and that was it and that was instantly man it was like one day i woke up my i was supposed to go see my dad that friday he he's been fighting his liver and and all he had lots of medical issues going on and he's fighting all of them he's been it's during covid so like you can't even like if you're in the if you're in the hospital during covid and you're trying to go see somebody it's not happening dude right they weren't letting nobody in like it's it's it's it's a horrible time and and he finally gets released and he gets back to the house and um and like uh it was like um my my stepmom walked inside and uh and he was on the floor of the room like he had a heart attack and and he died so uh so i make sure today

that uh that i i i try to eat healthy live healthy and and be healthy and now you you what you're you said you volunteer at a at a facility and you're helping to start a facility yes so um so uh I I from day one since I got out of treatment and I and I moved out to Santa Clarita and I started getting involved into the to the San Fernando Valley of Alcoholics Anonymous and narcotics anonymous and just in the recovery in all aspects and uh and and and in the stand of service of of helping the people i do the uh meetings and uh and and and on a service plan that um that opportunity came along to get your your own detox and own sober living and uh you know and no iop and um and so uh i started one and um it's in the

works it's in uh it's in van eyes and um you know uh it's called mindset mindset recovery and that's a start in a new chapter of a life man and the greatest thing is I get to I get to be able to go in there and use my experience of going to places like that and and helping other people you also give speeches right you do keynote speeches or yeah or at where I go around and this year I advocate for families in criminal justice and and I share over telling my testimony and recovery meetings. Have you gone back to like any jails or anything? I haven't got the clearance yet.

Yeah. I'm trying. Oh, like it's on my radar, but I haven't got cleared yet, man. And now to me, and I'm close, I'm close to go in that tenfold

of being able to go share in the prison systems and to these guys on, and especially like in the four yard over in Tashby where I was where I first, I was one of the first meetings I ever went to.

I was in the, I was in the four yard in Tashby State Prison and they brought in a panel and I was two hips licking cool, man, but they had good coffee. And I remember hearing a guy, I remember hearing a guy carry a message, man. And I will, I will be, and I will soon be doing that. Yeah, I've thought about doing that, doing that.

I thought that would be cool to do. Mm-hmm. They go back to Coleman. Mm-hmm. I don't know what, I don't know what you have to do to get clearance. Somebody told me, I talked to a guy that there's actually a couple of guys. There's a other guy that was a former sheriff that came

and I did a I did an interview with. I think he talks. I think there's a couple guys. There's also, what's the other guy? Hoffman. Tony Hoffman? Tony Hoffman.

I think he does it too. Yeah. No, he said, yeah, you said you got to get, he said you got to get like special permission. Yeah,

you have to do, you have to fill out, you have to get in, but the good thing about it today is like I'm, I'm not on, like I'm clear. Like I, like I'm still on paper.

Like, I'm still on paper. Yeah. So I got at least two more months to get off paper even. So you can't even try and do that. It's like trying to get your voting rights back. I've been off paper. I've been off paper for probably going on eight years now. And so, I mean, I discharged high control.

I was in treatment. Like, once I got off high control, that's probably another reason why I stayed at that treatment center for so long is that, is that I wanted to, is like I wanted to stay there until I was off parole and and and and because I like the they're testing as I was I was I was still on high control when I got out and inside of a treatment center so they're testing me twice a week and and and doing all stuff I got a job they come to my job like all that embarrassing stuff and and um I discharged it man no and uh I didn't even I didn't even get my discharge carded and I was like man I don't care about it yeah right yeah right but um I went to

I was buying a house. I was looking at a buying a house and stuff like that and filling out applications elsewhere for like loans and stuff like that. And I remember I filled out all that stuff on the application. And the advisor afterwards was like, he's like, none of this stuff came up. You don't need to put it no more. Right. You're like, oh, thanks.

Thanks for the advice. So that's good. That's good. I was going to say it's like filling out an application for an apartment. Yeah. some stuff shows up some stuff some doesn't like it's it's nice because now nothing shows up on me when I fill it out so now I'm just like nothing nothing I don't know anything I'm going to put nothing nothing exactly I'm the same way do you think you were pretty much doomed from the start like

your situation like your family situation like yeah I think because of me and the way and the way I grew up and I one 100% like like if you were to look at me in the environment I in and the life I had that choice though see i had that choice i could have went with my dad to this other side of the fence and lived with him and my sisters and sort of had like the like that that that normal child like somewhat of that normal childhood but i chose to stay with my mom i because i was a mama's boy like i i i felt like i like i i feel like like boys are or or more uh more um want their mom more and i couldn't leave my mom's side like i i just couldn't do it and um and i feel like i didn't want to ban my abandoned my mom. I felt like I was I was saving her or everything that went on. I just like I

couldn't leave her. My sister, she was gone and I couldn't do it. You said cars were your thing. I guess the first part of the question would be how do you learn how to steal cars and then maybe a kind of like a follow up to that is what's the easiest way to steal a car? What are you looking for when you're trying to first i mean it um there's a couple things it depends if you're going to enjoy ride that car or if you're actually going to be in that car to to like sell like there's times when i was still in cars to uh to sell and so you would go i would go i would i would scope a particular car and which uh it'd be like a cleaner getaway to where i have

i would have a shaker or a cleaner key or a whole new ignition to pop in it And to when I was just G-riding the car, man, I, man, I just, I used to carry just a pair of scissors in my back pocket, dude, and I would just like, instead of, I just walked through an apartment building or walked through a parking lot and just, and I knew exactly what tore to Camry or a Honda cord or whatever car I had to go up to, and I just put these scissors in there and just, and just start it just like that. And then I just take that car, and I would take that car from one side to the city to the next and just drop it off. and then I would just use that same key and grab another one and go on the other side of town and just keep on going with that. You hit a motorcycle shop.

Man, I was... You're seeing it, the thought process. I was selling drugs, man. I do my rounds. I'm selling drugs. I got my partner with me. I'm fighting that case. I'm out on bail.

And I have court like that next morning and I'm still out doing the same old stuff. And I go by one of these guys, is that selling for me man and he comes he's like pulls me in this back room he's like man i got this great this great uh scam like dang i was like man let's hear it i'm with my partner we're like conversations over a pipe as we're sitting there and uh and he's telling me about this motorcycle shop and about um like a car went through this back wall you can get inside you drop down this little alley you go down this this alley and there's uh not an alley but like a little

reservoir or wash or whatever and pop up and it pops up right by you can cut the fence get inside and um and like i and so i i i heard this whole get down and it sort of just registered to me and i was out doing my thing he's like man he's like you got to wait for me and i was like i'll wait for you well i'll wait for you buddy and uh i had court the next day i couldn't wait for him dude and uh i'm with my partner and it's like getting night time and we're in that area and I went by and I told my partner to stop and I I got out and I ran down the wash and I popped up by this shop and it was and it was all open dude and I went back and I got him and we went and I'm going to tell you what I did is that uh since it was like

on the back side of a residential neighborhood and on the front side was like in the main street that we came in through a residential area and i couldn't i could not i knew that if i if anybody heard a motorcycle start or anything like at night that for sure it'd be i i i get caught and so um it was nothing like courageous man because it was all spur of the moment it was all with a 1989 honda excelling a piece of rope dude and i i'm a big guy dude i'd done prison so like i'm I probably had 40 pounds more than on me than I have right now. And I like literally on some cases, if I was on enough drugs and stuff,

I could just pick up a motorcycle and put it over my head. But, but I walk and I go on the backside of the shop and I go through it and I pull out this, this motorcycle and I walk it out. And then he, and I sold enough drugs in the neighborhoods and stuff that I knew a lot of people that I would just take their garage.

and I put five bikes. Same thing, dude, it's like five bikes in this garage, five bikes in this garage. And I'm going to tell you this, man. The best thing was this, man. It was like I was there. I must have took 25, 30 motorcycles, dude.

Everything you can think of from the dirt bikes to street bikes. And I took them one by one. And I walked it all the way out. And I tied a piece of rope around the handle bars. And he told me to this house. And I know, and I bike and neutral type thing. And as the sun was coming up, man, this one bike in there had gas in it, dude. And I was like, I'm going to write this one, right?

And because the guy that told me about the lick was like, I want that, I want that 500. I want that, I want that motorcycle. And I was like, all right, cool, man. So the very end, this bike had gas in it. And instead of going through the neighborhood, I might go through the main street. And when we get on the main street, I'm going to pop it. I'm going to pop it in gear. and I'm gonna go and I'll meet you over at night.

I got this brand new helmet on. And man, dude, he went. He pulled me the bike immediately started. Bam, I'm on the main street. It's like 5.30, 6 o'clock in the morning. And I took off down the street on this bike and the full on Willie. I lost it, dude. And the bike flipped out from under me, dude.

And it fucking slid. And I got back up. I ran over to the bike. I hop back on it. I kickstarted it. And I took off. And there was an alleyway going right next to our bowling. alley. It was like this little bicycle rat. I remember I went from that main street and

Sierra Highway down the down this little bike alley and I cut over and I cut I cut to the main street over the field and I remember being on top of the of this place we called Courtsville Mountain and it sort of was like a looking out over the whole little neighborhood right there and I see like a patrol car going to the right and I and I showed up over to a and so I knew I went down the hill and over the street and through the neighborhoods right there and I showed up to my and I had court. I had court this morning. This morning I got to be at court, man, at 8 a.m. And I arrived at my buddy's house, man.

And I get there. It must have been like six. It must have been at 6.30 or something. Like it's 7 o'clock, man. And it's 7.30, man. And I pull up on it. My buddy is already at the house in the car. And I pull up on this dirt bike, dude.

And I'm like, here, I got you. This is for you, man. And he's like, you did it without me? and uh and um and i went to court that morning dude and so that's how it were you messed up from the dude that was the greatest rush ever dude like you you just pulled 27 motorcycles out of a out of a spot you have them all over the place right when you and then that and that final one that's like just like i said that that that horizon that the sun's coming up and like you're not supposed to be on the road i'm on a i'm on a two-stroke motorcycle bro like that that that rush that morning

was like ultimate man ultimate dude the look on my friend's face that morning was not too impressive it was not too impressive so uh how do you end up selling those motorcycles i got busted in every single one of those i got busted when they hit my house i had uh 27 motorcycles 10 cars i had uh i had a full-on chop shop going on in the garage i had a trunks full of methamphetamine rockers beakers uh burners hoses i had like I had a fetish with all these swap meat blankets with all the things like the elephants, giraffes and all that. I had every single one, the tigers, the lions, giraffes, like all these like swap meat blankets like this. I don't know why.

It was just like guys would, I had a multiple twos of all kinds of tools and all this kinds of stuff. And when I, and I'm going to tell you, when they hit my house that morning, when they hit my house, they took all that stuff, dude. They, uh, I, uh, what happened is they, uh, I got arrested. And, and I, I remember this, I was on, I was on my motorcycle. I'm a million dollar bail. I'm on my motorcycle and fight my case. I'm losing everything. And they're coming in.

And I, once again, I threatened somebody. And the cops were out my door. And, and I'm holding my dog back because I just remember sitting there. And, like, my dog's like, they're going, we're going to shoot your dog. We're going to shoot your dog. And I'm like, don't shoot my dog, please. I just started getting in the car with me. And then I remember like this, I parked like two of my cars and a couple of my trucks on the other side of the street.

And I was on my motorcycle that morning and on that motorcycle this morning. And I called my buddy. It's a guy named Phil, man. I met Phil do some bad drug deals. But his phone number was the only number I could remember. And I called Phil and I was like, Phil, man, you don't know me. and i really don't know you like and i like i'm in the i'm getting my one free phone call right now and i know i'm doing time like i know for a fact i'm i'm going to jail and i call phil and i was like

man can you go grab the um my street bike that's on the other side of the street and that and the trunk that's laying in my yard i had a i had like a like a chest and that that chest was a lab it was just everything was laid in their beaker 712 beaker at 14 flas and um and uh and uh and uh and this guy went and he grabbed two of my motorcycles one of my vehicles in that chest man and a couple bags of those blankets dude and i and i was inside for i did some i did a few years and uh and all the rest of that stuff charge it to the game you know um when you were building the labs uh were you you said you're renting houses renting them in your name no never nothing nothing nothing was never in my name yeah this uh you get girl i i i i i i i i i

honestly like your girl it just be it it be a house with a relter box on it it it be like a girl it just be um like a just random houses out there just I don't even know like I don't have some he's saying you have some girl rent the house for you yeah somebody some guy somebody somebody somebody else's name and they get the house for you happens when didn't you say like you're experimenting and like things go wrong off to the next one what happens to the person who's uh running the house like it's under their name

sorry yeah I never what I never found out yeah I know whether there was times that I go into a house and I blow like I blew that out I rebuild it and I blow it up again and then I and then by the time I got done with those houses those houses be so too I mean multiple houses I go into these nice neighborhoods and you get these

and you get these because I figured the The better the car I had and the better the house I had, the better the chance off I'm not going to get busted. But by the time I got done with that car and that house in that neighborhood, it was your local trap house. It was your house. Like, I would not, you would not, I wouldn't even be on that side of town. Or I go there, I go there for a month and maybe two weeks. And it only took me five days tops to do what I needed to do at this house. And by the time I got done with that, like that house would be like, I never want to go to that house again.

I go to a different house. And then I go to a different house. And I go to a different house. So what is your, what's your Instagram? My Instagram is Garrett McClendon. It's nothing, no handle, nothing. It's just my name. If you can go out, if you watch this video, go follow me.

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