Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Prison Life for Diddy Extortion, Snitching & Desperation

Episode Date: September 26, 2024

Prison Life for Diddy Extortion, Snitching & Desperation

He's in a state of distress. He can't read a book. He's walking back and forth. He's pacing. He's like, yo, I need a legal call. He's telling his lawyers, I need you to come up here. You're around real wolves now. Somebody's going to press this, dude.

What we would call extortion, right? He's going to fall right in place. He's going to pay. Do you want to go over kind of like where he's at right now? You know, he just got denied on. Yeah, they denied him bail. But do I think eventually he might get it through the Second Circuit? Possibly.

Like, I printed all the stuff from, like, his judge, when she denies him. She actually looks at him and tells him, look, you're a drug addict, you're a violent dude you're not i'm not letting you out this is you know this is why and you know you knew all these charters were going on and you're still down here with drugs in your in your hotel room and you're still trying to coerce witnesses so the judge just blasted i mean obviously he's got some big shot lawyers in new york but big shot lawyers in the feds for people that don't know all you're doing is giving them a bunch of money because they really can't help you um when they got you they got you and do i think puppy's in trouble 100% you know this and i know this right

they do some bullshit cases they catch crack dealers they're just nonsense cases 30 day investigation but when they're on your ass for some serious stuff and you're somebody important and you do have some money and you do have influence i think they're going to cross all their t's and dot all their eyes and i think they did that in this case and people were writing me after i did a video six months ago when they did the raid and they're like oh you're wrong they never arrested them i said just wait it's coming yeah they're not spending all that money they're not spending all that money to go search, you know, this dude's residence in California or Florida, New York, or wherever, and it's not, I mean, if the Eastern District or the Southern District of New York,

if the U.S. Attorney's Office, an FBI, or in California, they're there because they got something. And this is what they had. You know, and I said this a long time ago, little Rob files the lawsuit. He files this lawsuit, but the lawsuit is wrote like an indictment. They actually say he violated, you know, 18 USC, whatever. And this is how he violated it. And then he puts still video, you know, photos in there. and I think that Little Rod, his lawyer probably went and said, hey,

someone dropped that off at the U.S. Attorney's Office, hey, this is the lawsuit we filed. And here goes some video footage. Here's some clips. And I think they got back to Little Rod like, hey, to his lawyer, like, look, we need those videos. And they got, and obviously this dude really despise Puffy, right? Puffy obviously did something to this dude because he was his, you know, his videographer. He was his producer on a bunch of his music. And he's like, look, he did something wrong, man.

He pissed the dude on. So really, the dude was like, you know what? I think, you know, I hate this dude. And this is why I hate him. And he's convinced himself why he hates him. And he dropped that lawsuit. And he turns over the footage and the evidence. They got plenty evidence, brother.

Well, there, and here's the thing about the indictment. And we can get to what it's going to be like for him in prison in a second, too. But here's the way I see the indictment is they only indicted him. They didn't list a whole series of different people. They didn't put the whole structure together. They're kind of saying, like, hey, like his company, his legitimate companies are part of the structure. They didn't list like puppies here and then all these other people are here. So I think that's that there's a reason for that because everybody else is

already cooperated. And they're already coming out and cooperating. That's why they're not named in the indictment. And they're still cooperating because they're talking about doing a superseding indictment now. So if he wasn't in trouble on this indictment, he's definitely going to be in trouble on the next indictment because you know a lot of times people don't want to be the first one they don't want to go they don't want to cooperate they don't want to be that guy they don't because what if i go and i cooperate people know i talk to the feds and then they don't indict you now i'm just a snitch out here now i'm in trouble because this guy who knows what he'll do but the moment you get indicted and they grab you and keep you in prison people are like oh shit i need to jump

on the bandwagon i have things to say i want to be a part of this you know this whole i don't conspiracy or whatever you want to call it i don't want to get end up i want to get ahead of it because I don't want to end up being named in the next indictment. So, hey, I have stuff to say, too. So it's only going to get worse. Yeah, I think that it, I mean, it's obviously going to get worse. Like I just said, I did a live on my channel, Blood on the Razor Wire TV. And I talked about who the main witness is.

Who's the main witness here? It's Cassie, right? She's the girl that gets beat up. She's his girlfriend. She makes, you know, she's the one that drops one of the original lawsuits. He ends up saying, hey, look, you know what? I'm going to, the next day. Let's settle this and get and be done with this, right?

but they're not done it's not done that was just the beginning of to the end and then little rod comes and drops a lawsuit and he's like hey man I think they're telling him we're going to drop a lawsuit man if you don't and he's like well his lawyer responds and look you got to stop it because if not it's just going to keep on going you got fight you know and I think it was probably the biggest mistake of his life was the issues with little rod little rod had the video footage and you know what if he would have settled with him you know there's some other people that came out of the woodwork but would they have the evidence that little rod has probably not and maybe he wouldn't be in the position that he's in now so What do you think, I mean, so I'm sure you have a different opinion of this. My opinion is right now, if he was smart, he would probably go in, cooperate, if he has anything to cooperate against, get 20 years, maybe 15, and get himself, get time off for helping, helping to build other cases. And maybe he ends up with 15. Maybe he's out in 7, 8 years with good time credits or whatever. Maybe. I know you're, I know you differ. You know, if he goes to trial, he loses it, look, let me put it this way. Enticing professional, professional workers to cross state line from California to Miami, you've already, you're already guilty of trafficking. That's a done deal. You need one or two people to get on the stand and say they contacted me. This is what has. happen like that's over you got nothing so that's that's like that's 20 years the gun charges with you know the defacing of these of these weapons that's a major problem like he's he's done he if he goes to trial he's not beating those charges so what what is your take i'm thinking he could

get 20 years to 15 years right now and cooperate maybe get it down if they allow him to and i know you think they're not going to let him but you know who knows but if he goes to trial i think he's done he's getting 30 years who knows how much maybe more what do you're what do you think so this is my opinion right and i mean i do criminal law every day yeah federal criminal law and i've been doing it for 20 years i think uh in his situation i don't think they want you know there's some people that they get that they don't want to co-op there's some people like we don't care what you have we don't we don't want we want you right you're puff daddy um there's someone pulling the strings and they're like look and when you read the indict and there's underage girls in there

There were some underage dudes. And there's people that are like, that are really against that stuff, right? People are like, oh, we hate, you know, like, or underage? I didn't read, I didn't, maybe I missed it. There was, in the indictment, it says underage. I can highlight it and probably send you a picture. But yeah, they talk about that. It was either in the indictment or in that bail, in the bail letter from the U.S.

attorneys all day. Okay. Okay. Okay. Because I know. Underage girls and they were putting some stuff in their drinks. And then they were doing the freakoffs that were going on for two, three days. People were so exhausted.

They had to get IVs and all kinds of stuff, right? I mean, this dude's doing some real. like, I mean, I mean, people do what they want behind closed doors, but I mean, this dude seems like a pretty deviant dude, right? He was a predator. I think that money and fame went to his head. But what do I think happens to Puffy, right? I don't think that, I don't think that they want to give him a cop-out.

I don't think that that's, that there's an opportunity for that. The only thing that I think that maybe could help him if he were to decide to cooperate is depending on what his involvement is in the Tupac Murphy, right? Because I think that that's something that's in the, in the storage shed right now with Keith D and all that stuff going on, right? I think that Puffy's involved in it. I mean, that's my opinion.

I could be wrong. But I think that they got that too. I think that might be part of the reason why they went into his house in California. I think they have that. I think that if he has something to connect, whoever it is, that that might help him. And people are thinking, well, once he cooperate,

no. You could cooperate and still get 20 years. You can cooperate and get 25 years. And then he's never think back then. I'm 54 years old. If I do cooperate and give me 20 years, let's just keep, you know, call it what it is, 20 times two. We'll say about two months of good time, 20. He's down to about

17 years. He goes to the halfway house. He's got a year. He's trafficking. He's not eligible probably for any first step back credits. He's doing 15 years on a 20 piece. So now he's got to think 54. I'll be 70 when I get out of prison with good time. If I don't get jammed up. He'll get jammed up once or twice because there'll be some cops that just don't like them because of what his charges are and because he's puffed daddy. And they're like, you know what? I'm a $60,000 a year correctional officer. And I hate you. And I don't know why I hate you. I just hate you.

So I'm going to do some shit and destroy yourself and write you up. And you've seen it. You've probably experienced it before. So as far as cop it out, I don't think he gets a cop out. I don't think they want to let him. I think they're like, yo, you're a vicious dude. We don't like you. And there's some people, some women that are up there that have got some power up there

in the U.S. attorneys office that are involved. And they're like, no, we're going to, we're pushing this dude to the full extent of the law. I mean, here's your example. People say, come on. You always hear the conspiracy theories. Oh, he's got money. And look, Epstein. had a whole lot of money. Boom, gone.

Carl, Kelly, he had a couple dollars and he was a pretty famous dude. Boom, you're gone. I mean, pup daddy's the next one on the list. He's gone. Do I think he goes to trial? Maybe he's so arrogant that he believes, you know what? I've got to take a shot. He takes his shot and how much time does he get?

I think they put his lights out. He gets to the sunburns out. He may very well get a life sentence, 40 years. I mean, you can speculate and say 20. He's not 20 if he blows trial in trafficking and whatever else is to come, including maybe you know, some 924 Cs, possession of a firearm and violence of, you know, a violent crime. They're going to say trafficking is a violent crime, guns were present.

Then you've got the stuff with kind of old, but the kid-cutting stuff, or they kidnap him. They're going to put, I mean, what do you think the government sentencing memorandum is going to look like? It's going to look like what the judge said right here. Why, you know, the ongoing danger? I mean, it's here. She's like, you're a danger.

I can't put you in the street. You're a threat to public safety. Based on your violence, she says violence. She looked right at him and told him this before. Your drug addiction, which is still ongoing. You know, you're up here in New York to turn yourself in. Because that's what happened, Matt. You know what happened.

The lawyer says, look, Puffy, this is the deal. They are, I'm in contact with you, us attorney's office. We've been in contact with them for the last couple months. As you know, you're going to have to come down here. You're going to turn yourself in because they are going to indict you. Just come on down. You turn yourself in. When they drop the indictment, we'll go over there and we'll get you a bail.

So Puffy comes back to New York City. Guess what? The lawyer was wrong. as a lot of them are. He didn't get bail. They showed up and arrested him. He wasn't able to come turn himself in. Hey, the indictment's coming tomorrow.

Man, come on down. No, they went there purposely. What does that tell you? They don't give a shit about his lawyer, and they dislike him. Because usually in high-profile cases, they will call your lawyer if you've been in communication with them.

Have your guy come back, turn him in on Monday at 9 o'clock. Come on down. We'll fingerprint him. And we're okay with a bail application. They probably tell me, yeah, come on down. You know, we're not going to promise you anything. But the lawyer thinks, hey, I'm a big shot. I got pulled here.

I got big money. I'm going to get, this is puppy. I'm getting them out. Well, it didn't work out that way. And now he's sitting in MDC, Brooklyn, where I've been, I've been in the shoe in MDC Brooklyn.

The food's absolutely horrible. The cops are absolutely horrible. And, you know, for those that haven't been in the hole, they don't know what it's like to be in a cell all alone. Well, you're at fault. Yeah, he's got a lot of memories and all with that. He can think about, but that shit hurts right now.

When they bring you, when they bring you that burger on Wednesday, it's not the old burger and fries. Oh, burger's absolutely horrible. They used to call it. I forgot when they started to cook. The burgers now, you can cook them as long as you want. And they're still pink in the middle.

They're disgusting. They give you like literally 15 French fries. How hungry you think this cat is? He can't believe he's in that position. Now, when he gets to a real prison where he's probably going to end up in Tucson or Coleman, right, depending on his sentence, I'm going to call it now. He gets over 20 years and they send him to USP Tucson with other sex offenders because it's a ex-offender prison. When he gets there, he's got money.

You think he's got to go to a pin? With 20 years? He'll go to a meeting. No. Well, this is why he's going to a pet. I'm going to tell you why he's going to a pen. Because he's famous and he's a sex offender. And they've got to protect him.

So they're going to send him to the number one sex offender prison. He's going to USP Tucson. You got guys over there. You got guys over there 10 years, seven years, five years. They got to protect. I'll give you an example. The mayor from Connecticut, right? They end up sending him over there.

Jared Doll, he's raping kids. That's where he went. He was the mayor. No criminal history. Never been in trouble. Nothing like that ever in his line. But they send them over there. Why?

They got to protect them. You don't want to, you don't want a whitey bump. Now, look, people are getting told it. What if they send him to mine one? They just saw that stuff in front of there two years ago, threw him over the stairs, stabbed him, jumped on his head. He's in my own. Right.

So what about, so here's the thing. Butner is a medium and it's a medical facility. Right. So they might send, if he's got under 20 years, or if he's got under 20 years, years to serve, then Butner is a medium. Like he'll, he'll, I think he'll score out at, at Butner. You think he'll score out higher? He doesn't have a criminal history. Let's talk about that. That's if he gets 20 years. My opinion is, he's not getting 20 years. My opinion is they're

taking them to the box. So you're thinking, okay, look, if he gets 30 or higher, he's going to a pin. I get that. I was saying, I thought you started off with saying 20 and he's going to a pin. I meant that it's a hypothetical. I did say 20, but I meant because I thought you proposed 20, right? That's if he gets a cop on. But I don't think that he's copping out, even if they offer him.

I don't think puppy's going to say, hey, I'm 54 years old. I'll take a 20 piece. I think he's a narcissist and I think he's an egomaniac and he's going to think he can beat him. I think he believes men. These girls were there because they wanted to be.

And his lawyer may explain to him, look, once they cross this state line, they got you, you know, this is, this is travi. He's not thinking about it. He's like, no, I'm in him, Durals, man. They came because they wanted to. We was paying them to come. I think he

going to try him. He blows. So I, so it's funny because I like I did a podcast on this a couple days ago and we were talking about it and I was saying that here's the thing about, and I'm not saying all attorneys, okay? I'm sure there's some decent attorneys, but let's face it.

Most attorneys, even high profile attorneys are looking at this guy thinking this is, this guy's a fucking you know, he's a bottomless pit of money. So I'll, I can make a ton of money if I convince him we can go to trial and potentially win. So you're right. I think if his lawyer feeds into it because he's got a good lawyer.

His lawyer is telling him, take a fucking plea. You've got no chance at fucking trial. You're going to just blow five or ten million dollars if we go to trial. You're going to drag out for three weeks. The government's going to hate your guts. And they're going to give you 45 years if he goes to trial. Hopefully he has a good lawyer. And the lawyer says, take a plea, try and cooperate.

We can get you sent to a medium. maybe in a few years you'll be in a low and and you know and he'll be okay i as far as you saying the underage girls like i i was not taking that into consideration because when i read the indictment i didn't see anything i thought these are all consenting adults or they're professional workers and so you're saying now that that adds a whole other dynamic that i didn't realize was there if that's the case yeah you're right i mean it's he's he's never going to a camp he's his best bet would be to be at coleman low that's his best that's the garden spot for him it's not happening um hey maybe i'll be wrong i don't think it's happening i don't think they want

to give him a couple here let me let me read this in two years huh we'll come back and check the tape in two years yeah maybe you're right maybe i'm wrong we'll see i think that i think that he's high profile they don't like him they don't like what he was doing i mean this cat's got a thousand bottles of baby oil lubricant his house they know some shit, like some off the wall. I don't know, dude, you know, people can have as much people as they want, but you have to really, you know, put that in perspective and you have to think, this dude's

a predator, bro. Yeah. You've got a thousand Bob. So look, let me read this part to you, right? Yeah. Finally, it bears noting that within the first 24 hours of this case is unsealing, there are already new concerns about witness interference as well as interference with a fair trial based on the defendant and his counsel's attempt to publicly discredit one of the victims. As Judge Tenarski noted in her ruling, one of the pertinent

concerns here is the power imbalance in the case. they're on them about the power already like this dude's a powerful dude we hate these people this dude you know he's using his influence he's using his money and the government's just shooting at this dude they talk about baked freed in here um i am gonna find the underage thing for you it might take me about 30 minutes so i'm not going to find it why we're on here but i will find it in sentencing because i read it myself um your lawyer asked me about the chart oh this is here this is the judge i don't know if you know did you read this yet or no no i didn't read the letter you just showed me let's let your viewers here with the judge

judge says. As Dr. Tarnowski observed, your lawyer asked me to trust you and to trust him, and I don't think you can trust yourself. And I don't believe that counsel has the ability to control you. Indeed, since at least in or about January, 2004, when the defendant was unquestionably aware of the criminal investigation, evidence shows that he has engaged in multiple free calls, some involving the interstate transportation of individuals to participate, has continued to use narcotics, and has contacted multiple witnesses. Some of this conduct has even taken place since the defendant arrived in New York City, allegedly to sit out and wait to be arrested.

The defense conduct is demonstrably not cooperative, and indeed highlights his inability to abide by the law or counsel's directives. This is the judge. Right. Denying bail and saying, look, dude, you're like, you're, you know, you're here. I don't trust you. No one can trust you. So you can get the tone from the judge, right? Who I believe was a former U.S. attorney, I might be wrong, but I think.

that was her tone and you know like i know u.s attorneys like despise people they absolutely hate criminal defendants the u.s. attorneys office like there's no remorse no compassion you ever met a compassionate person that works at the u.s. attorney's office probably not they're here to smash you they don't want to hear shit if they believe you did it that's it they don't have a problem given i got 40 years i was 24 years old with no compassion so i mean you can see where the mind frame is where they're like yo this guy's a bad this guy's a bad dude And, you know, they're not, I just don't, I don't see him wanting to accept 20 years because I think he's a narcissist.

I see him believing that he's going to beat this shit, no matter what his lawyer tells him. And what you just said is exactly what happens in the federal criminal justice system, right? You got a guy that's got money. And a lot of times the lawyers, and I've had clients that, you know, I've had clients that bend down this road where the lawyer is telling, we can beat this. I got a client rate man, female. They gave her 15 years. She was in service, all kinds of stuff.

Laura's like, we can beat this, man. it's your husband. She goes to trial instead of taking the three-year police, she blows trial against 15 years, right? But why do the lawyer do that? Because the lawyer wanted the money. Now, if you get a federal defender, and not all federal defenders are bad, there's some phenomenal ones in New York, DeJvon Thornton. There's some

CGA, people like Gillian Harrington, Thomas Theopolis out of Buffalo. Some of these people actually do care. But a lot of times you get public defenders or CJA counsel, court-appointed counsel, the court's paying up. And they're like, yo, you got to cop out, man. Because they don't want to deal with this shit. They put in their

their bill and they tell the court that they did this money. They don't know what they can bill and what the judge is going to pay, right, on a CJA. They don't do half the work they say they did. They get paid. And they do tell people, hey, once in a while you will get a lawyer. I says, look, you're not going to win. Whether I'm a public defender or a CGA or, you know, pay notes or you think you can't win so that you're, you know, you have to, this is it.

If you lose, you get 50 and you're probably going to lose, or you end up topping out and you get 15 or 20, and you probably should do it because you're going to lose. I'm sure that, I'm sure in his situation, man, the lawyers want that bread, man. So, I mean, they're painting their narrative all over the news, right? He's not guilty. When the little rod indictment, indictment, when the little rod lawsuit slash indictment drop,

his lawyer's counts, we're going to prove every bit of this wrong. This is another guy just chasing money. They're doing what lawyers do. They probably collected 200 grand off this cap, you know, just dealing with that little bullshit, right? He didn't do it. Well, now guess what, Puffy?

your lawyer said they ain't got proof. So now you've got to disprove all of those videos. This cat was walking around and recorded him, bro. Was he lining him up for later on? Blackmail him? Was he lining him up in case he ever pissed him off? Did he told him a bunch of times to record a lot of the freakoffs and shit? So, I mean, that was with his consent.

Like, yo, videotap this. Justin Bieber is here playing the skin flute. Like, you know what I mean? I mean, I think something might come out about Bieber, man. I think that, I don't know. I think there's some wild allegations out there. I mean people are nervous right now in Hollywood. Yeah, the bead, man.

The be's bobbing maybe. I don't know. Maybe I don't know. So let's say, let's say because I'm like, so if he, let's say he does go to go to, let's say he gets whatever. Let's say he gets 35 years. He goes to, he goes to prison. Well, first of all, you know right now he's on watch. Of course, always.

So. What happened to Epstein to happen to him? If that happens, they're going to MCC, now MDC, like, what's up? So let's assume he, maybe he goes to trial, he loses, you know, spectacularly, which I'm sure he will.

And he gets, somehow or another, ends up just getting 35 or 40 years. And he gets sent to a pen, to the pen that you just mentioned. You know, what do you think it's like for him in there? I mean, and I don't know, you know, here's the thing, like, I don't know how to say this without, I don't know.

Let's assume that there's underage. Here for you. I know what you want to say. Oh, Bob, go ahead. Maybe I should. Yeah, yeah. Let's say there is underage. Well, let's say he doesn't go in under the umbrella of a, of an S.O.

Right? Because to me, if underage is a 17-year-old that's trying to get in the party and maybe he's involved. Maybe it doesn't come out. Maybe it does come out. I don't know exactly what that situation is. So if you remove that and it's just professionals, you know, professional workers coming over state and he ends up with that charge, I don't think that people are going to look at that as being horrific in federal prison. I could be wrong. I don't know what it's like in a pin. But what do you think? If that's the kind of umbrella he's under, he gets 40 years. Yes, there were professionals that he flew in. He is, you know, he's got the gun charge. He's got everything. He loses. He gets 40 years and he goes to the pin. What do you think it's going to be like if it's not under the umbrella of an S.O? So this is what it looks like, right? We're going to call it how it is right away. There's a New York dude in that prison that he's going to go to. Let's say he doesn't have the underage stuff, right? Let's say he shows up at Big Sandy or he shows up at USP Hazleton, right? There's a big only on that yard from New York, right?

there's some black dude that's running the yard for the blacks, right? People don't, there's cars in prison, the white car, the black car, the Mexican car, the bloods, whatever. Somebody's on that compound. It might, it might be one of the bloods. And the first thing they're seeing is, yo, I got 30, 40 years. I need a lawyer. This man's about to pay for my lawyer.

This man's got plenty of bread. And they're going to press them. Somebody's going to press this dude. And what we would call friendly extortion, right? And he's going to fall right in place. He's going to pay. They're not going to, yo, you know, listen, homie, you, I got the ninth. is what it is. No, they're going friendly extort them.

Like, yo, man, you know what it is, man. He don't want to die, man. He don't want to be in prison, being victimized. So a New York dude is going to scoop them up. I'm going to put them under the wing. I've been around plenty of these dudes, man. And dudes that are watching or if they see your channel, look, I've been around dudes in the penitenti. I've been around dudes at FCI. Raid for Brooklyn. That was like a mini dude. It was like Guy Fisher were there when I was there. One of the big homies from Brooklyn, Lex. This dude, A.D. I'll mention A.D., old old Mitchell, right?

dude went to prison when he was young stick up kid got 30 years got a little bit of sides with him bent in the pen been in canaan and anytime someone came with any money you know dudes will comment on your channel if they see this ad he was all he was press like oh oh what's stuff they had this dude allegedly you know related to shug knight was originally from california can you know he was a big shot blood one of the biggest dudes i seen bro these dudes these new york dudes were on him like a how you got to do this, yo, you know, they took everything he had, bro. And at the end of the day, this big dude that acted like he was the toughest dude in the prison when he got there was the weakest dude.

He went to the cop's office and said, man, I got to go. And he left and they stole six bags of property from them. They took everything he had. They didn't send a peanut butter back down there. That's what happens if he goes to the pen. He gets friendly extorting. That doesn't sound friendly. No, I'm talking about if eventually the dude had enough.

That's what I'm telling you. He goes to the cop. I was like, yo, I got to go. But what I'm saying is, there's always a person. There's going to be a New York dude wherever he goes. They're going to hard press him, which they probably won't do. But they're going to soft press them. And he's going to pay.

Now, if he ends up in Tucson or he ends up in New York, the Oman. Wait a say. Can you break that down? What is, what do you mean that they're going to soft press them? What is that conversation? This is the soft press. You're the big homie. You're the boss.

You got the yard. So you're the leader, right? anytime you're around a leader what happens people flock to the leader right he's the leader that's that's who puffy has to talk you get there to like yo sir you we already know who you are you know we need that paperwork you know if it isn't puffy but his shit'll be all over the news they'll have his paperwork before he even gets there yo they're like yo listen homie i'm i'm the i'm the homie be here i'm the shock caller this is what we do you know hey this is the black tv watch tv here anytime you want you know we usually go to child together you know you can hang out

with me and of course he's going to flop to that dude this is the soft friend This is the friendly press. You know, this is my man, P. You guys already know what it is. Yo, pee, what's up. But the dudes that you're dealing with, these dudes are wolves, man. You know, you could talk about all that shit. You were in the street.

You had a gun. You're involved. The shit would shit would be around real wolves in here. People are getting stabbed 20, 30 times. People are dying in here. So all that shit you were doing on the street acting like you were tough, man. You just had a bunch of money and a bunch of clowns around you. You're around real wolves now.

And he's going to know, man. These dudes are from the gut. You're impressive. Like, yo, you're my boy, man. You're hanging out. me and then they called what he starts to offer they don't have to ask okay he's gonna offer you know you what you already know man you know what it is what you need i got you right only yo listen man send old boy yo so we get meat right send oh i got to cook for us and everything they're gonna

have some dude cooking for him yo send send old boy too grad they say to you pop send them to and then the next thing yo man what's up man every mom yeah people are gonna flock around this dude they want he's a leader right he's got the money he's gonna feed people people in all different ways. Next thing, you know, he's like, yo, listen, I'm working on that appeal. You know what I'm saying? I know you know a lawyer, man. I know you got the lawyers. Oh, me, I know your boys got, you know, life plus 30. Got life for the drugs, 30 for the guns. Like, what's shot? Man, that said, ain't nothing. Yeah, let me holler at my boy. Let me all right. And that happens, right? And then it gets,

it starts to get to the point. Like I was just telling you about the kid that, you know, was from California, allegedly should night. And anyone that was at Raybrook knows what I'm talking about. Eventually, the press gets so much that you can't. take it noble not financially he can he can take care of people the rest of his life financially but the press becomes so much that he does what he checks in he can't handle it or he calls his lawyer and he's like oh man you got to get me to fuck out of here man i can't make it here this is what's happening to me get me out of here so they get him out of there and they're like well look we're going to call the doj and or we're going to reach out to gleason who could help us we're going to reach

up to someone and we're going to tell him you now you need to go to coma where you'll be safe up in Coleman, right? What, the pens still? Maybe they get him to, maybe they get him down. If he goes to Coleman, he goes to Penn 2 probably, right? Because we're talking about if he was in a real USB. Let's say he was in Big Sand. So now they're like, yo, we're going to get you over to Coleman 2,

or we're going to get you to Tucson. So now what happens when he gets to, let's say he goes to Tucson, right? Because I think that's probably where he's going to end up. Remember, we're coming back to see if I'm right or wrong. If I'm wrong, I'll bow down. All right. If he gets, if he goes to trial and blows trial, he's going to, he's going to Tucson or he's going to Coleman.

he gets to Tucson he's around some dudes and I'm gonna and I gave an example the other day this is cat that you know that I know right um powerful right I happen to be at Tucson right when they were transitioning it right they put one unit as a defender unit they made them dude stay there they couldn't come around us and and then they just ended up shipping everybody out Tucson was a dangerous prison at one time a very dangerous prison one of the one of the most dangerous pens you could be on be maybe not as bad as Victorville but definitely that and he started to transition it into a defender place and started putting Defenders in one courtyard.

You know what the courtyards look like. Yeah. And then they couldn't, you know, they got their food brought to them. They had to play soccer in the little field right there. And then they just did the whole side. And then this side wasn't and this side was. And you could talk to them through the fence, whatever, but you couldn't touch them.

You could never get to them. You know what I mean? But there was a cat there named Powerful. And I think he was involved in, um, was the Lawrence Taylor case? Loosely connected to that. One of his women were doing that. He was in jail. He's broke.

Big ass dude. Broke. But still pretending he was that dude. And this is the type of dude that Puffy would get around. He's loud, he's boisterous. This dude looks like he's been lifting away since he was three years old. But he got shit. So what happens?

Yo, Puff, what up? Yo, you already know what it is. I got the New York car. You're in a sex offender prison. And you've got the New York car among the XIVeners, right? Yo, this is what it is, only. And now he puts the soft press. The soft press is probably not as bad.

It's soft press. He's petty, right? So this soft press is what? $500 a month over here so they could eat. And he's acting like he's his friend. But Puffy's not a fool. He knows that this guy and his friend. He's just living now, right?

You already see what Big Sandy was like. You already seen what Pollock was like. Or Hazleton, wherever he's at, wherever he was at before. And now he's like, man, I'm around other people. People ain't trying to stab me here. Or you could run into someone like the George Floyd cop, right? The ex-flack hand dude, he just bugs out one day. He's like, yeah, same thing with Whitey Bulger.

Stab him, dude stabs him with a pencil. He gets him up out of there and Tucson. And then where's he go? He goes to Aisleton and gets him up. So, I mean, you do get around some crazy motherfuckers That'll do some stuff to you But he's going to have some people He might have two dudes act like they're his bodyguards

They're his friends They walk the child with him every day And he takes care of him Right I've seen it bro I've seen it in Big Sandy I've seen dudes where I'm like wow bro I've seen a dude

What was that dude's name They only had the banks and all that stuff Big Tall dude from Texas He had the Ponzi scheme going Oh my God What the hell was his name right? And the Mexicans beat him up so bad. They broke his jaw, disfigured his face.

He had to have, like, an operation while he was in the county jail in Texas. I was there when they were pressing that cat. They were pressing them in Coleman, right? And they were putting a soft press to him. A couple of white dudes. One of them was an arm, Aryan resistance militia dude. And they put the press on him, bro. And he was paying.

Alan Stamford. I kind of liked the dude. He was an all right dude. But everybody was out trying to get something from the cat, man. The jailhouse lawyer that was over there was, I think he did his case for like five grand on top of what his lawyers were doing. Like he said, he would have did for $750 bucks. Because it was Allen Stanford, he might need $5,000, bro. Armdunes were storing them, some white gang members. And he was paying, bro. He had already got fucked up in Texas,

had his jaw and face rearranged. Yeah, I didn't know. What happens in the penitentiary? Yeah, I didn't know that. And what you could do is you could do this. You could go to the cop and say, look, I'm not okay here. I have to leave, right? Or you could say, if I leave, I already know what Azel. I don't want to ever go back. there. So you have to take the good with the bad and take your best option. Your best option is probably staying at USP Tucson or USP Coleman. Because it only gets worse when you leave those places. You leave Coleman too. It gets worse. Where would you rather be? Well, I mean, he obviously needs to get down to a medium. But I mean, I've seen guys get pressed in the medium too. You know,

it's so funny too because like I was green when I was seeing this. And there's like a doctor who's got like a 40 year sentence for, you know, prescribing for a pill mill, he's walking the track with a couple of black guys. And I was like, what, that's weird? Like, I've talked to one of those black guys. Like, you can't even, I don't know how this guy even understands what he's saying. And then I was walking with my cousin, my cousin said, oh, no, no, they're extorting him. I go, what do you mean? He said, you know, like they're saying, you know, they're like, hey, man, like, you know, I need this or I need that. He's like, and then they walk around with them. They act like they're his friends and then he buys them commissary and he has his wife put money on their books and he goes

and nobody bothers him. I remember just being like, fuck. Like he did have money, but obviously he wasn't, you know, he wasn't puffed daddy. So that's going to be much. And it was also the medium at Coleman. It wasn't a pin. You know what I'm saying? Let me tell you what happens when he starts paying that money. He starts to think he's dead dude again and it's like he was in the street. He's the boss. He's the shock call. He's got the money. He's got the power. He's got these two dudes that They're with them. And they're about their business if they got to be, right? So now he becomes arrogant all over again. Like, yo, well, shit. You know, you, you know, your puff, what I don't, yo, shit. I mean, that's how he's going to be. I mean, that's what it's going to be. I mean,

I'm from New York, bro. I know I've been around the New York car my old, my old bid. I've been around guy Fisher, Lex. I mean, I've been around. I'm aside Lou. Like, I was in Big Sandy with Lou. You want to talk about influence? You want to talk about power? You know, they alleged that this dude. I mean, that's it. Look at his name. I'm a side Lou. Johnny Mitchell ended up interviewing him, right? I mean, I was in a unit with Lou, man. Lou liked me a lot. I got, I'm in pictures with Lou.

But Lou was that dude, bro. And if he wanted something from him, he's going to get it. If he wanted you out of there, he's going to tell two young dudes from Brooklyn, from the Bronx, whatever, yo. Oh, boy, he's got to go, only. Where, right now, right, what do you want us to do, stab him? Yeah, stab him. And they're going to go stab that dude.

He's out of here, bro. That's what happens. I mean, there's dudes in there with real power and real influence. And people live, you know, for some politics and the penitentiary is a whole lot different than the FCI.

FCI, they're beating you up once in a while and some people get stabbed but at penitentiary they're sending you out on a stretcher man trying to end your life.

Do I think that's going to happen to puff? No, because I think he's going to a special prison. He's going to special needs your art. Maybe you're right. Maybe he does comp.

I just don't see it, man. I don't see them letting you. I mean, I think that if he got the right lawyer, if he got his head right, and let's face it, he may be better off being in prison right.

now because in six months from now, his head will get right. His expectations of life will drastically reduce and he'll realize I can do this. He'll have heard the horror stories and he'll realize like these people will give me 45 years and not think twice about it. Like, so maybe he ends up saying, and who knows what he's got? I don't know what he's got. But, you know, maybe he just pleads guilty he ends up with 20 years. So if he gets 20 years, then he, I think he goes to a medium security prison, probably Coleman, he goes to Coleman, and before he even gets there, he puts money on six guys' books. Like, they're waiting for him with fucking, you know, he's, he's going to, they're going to make a call and a call and a call, and they're going to get some guys to say,

hey, put 500 here on these six or eight guys' books, and we're going to have shower slides for him and some commissary, and he's going to be all right, but he's going to have to keep paying that, you know, and then obviously, I mean, I think that's what happens, because that's the kind of place that Coleman is. And then in a few years from now, four or five years, he goes to the low. He'll never break the low. I was thinking he might be able to go to a camp, but based on the charges, you're saying, yeah, he's never going to camp. But I think his, and think about that's his best case scenario. 15 to 20 years, four or five years at a medium, then go to a low, and then he just has to write it out. I mean, you're saying he's not, he can't get the credit. I wasn't

thinking about the credits it depends on what he's convicted of right i mean some offenders do get credits but i think it's trafficking i think he's trafficking if he blows to trafficking yeah he's then he's got a real problem now you're right he's doing 17 years maybe 16 with um you know with if he goes to a halfway house but his lawyer's going to tell him don't worry puffy you're going to get first step back credits he's going to they're going to tell him they're going to make a brilliant bro they give you the 15 you cop out this is what's going to happen you know in four or five years people are going to forget about this. It's going to go away. You're going to earn good time. You're going to earn for a step back. You're going to get the halfway house. You're only going to do seven, buddy. Right. He's

going to tell you. You know me guys I know that came to prison with a gun charge and their lawyers and they're like, well, yeah, I'm going to Ardap. It's like, you got a gun charge. Or they'd say, no, no, no, all I got is an enhancement. You're not getting, even with the enhancement, you're not getting the year off. And they're like, no, that's not true. No, my lawyer said, your lawyer doesn't, he's never been in the year. He doesn't know. And sure enough, they go into Ardap. and then six weeks later they find out they can't get the year off and they drop out. So, yeah, I'm sure his lawyer will, they'll say, they'll do anything to convince them and take that plea if they don't want to go to trial.

I don't want to work them for the money. Right. The lawyers tell people this stuff all the time and they don't even know what they're talking about. They don't even know the law. They don't know what the law. They're just assuming that everybody gets it. I mean, I got, I'm going to call me now. And they're like, hey, my lawyer said, well, here, let's back it up.

You ever read busted by the feds? No. Well, you should read that person, then call me. me back. He's going to give you what it is. Lawyers tell you all kinds of shit, and they really believe that they're telling you the truth, and they're not. They don't know. They don't have the experience. They don't know how the Bureau of Prison works.

They're in a federal courtroom every day, not the Bureau of Prison. So, I mean, yeah, I think that his lawyers are going to be, you know, telling them some shit that ain't true. Right. Sorry, I was just thinking about my, what I signed for my plea, I signed for having a gun, for constructive possession of a weapon because they found

a receipt that my girl, girlfriend who had been in the military had a weapon. The weapon had been stolen. We should have a receipt that she bought a weapon. I never saw the weapon. I never touched the weapon. But I, my lawyer's like, it's nothing. It doesn't matter. It's three years. It doesn't matter. It's not going to matter. I was like, okay. I was like, well, that doesn't even make sense. But okay, so I sign, I go back to the unit. Big old black guy that I've been talking to comes up. He's, what would you sign for? So I signed this and I signed that. And when he heard gun charge, he goes, gun charge. He's you ever been in trouble before? I said, Yeah, yeah. And he goes, you were on the run? I was like, yeah. And he goes, you're probably going to get more than 10 or 15? I went, yeah, he said, you're going to go to a pin. And I went, what? I said, what are you talking about? I said, everybody else was telling me, you're going to, you're a white collar criminal. You're going to a lower camp. And I went, no, I said, he is, yeah, yeah, gun charge is going to up your points. He knew how many points, all the, started adding it up. He said, you're going to a pin, Cox. He looked at me, he said, And I'm sure you can take care of yourself, but he looked at me, he goes, you ain't going to do well in a pen. I said, well, you're wrong about that. I said, I can't take care of myself. I said, I can't go to a pin.

And he goes, you better get on the phone and call your fucking lawyer. And I went straight to the phone. I ain't fucking signing for no fucking gun. I just lost it. Three days later, she came back and said, they dropped the gun charge. But yeah, she was like, oh, it's not a big deal. I also wouldn't have gotten a year for her dad. But, you know, she just, yeah, it's not a big deal.

I mean, you know, they kind of, they don't know. Or maybe they know when they're just trying to get you to sign. I don't know. A lot of times they don't know. A lot of times I think they just don't know. They think that they're right. They don't know what they're talking about. That's my opinion.

Yeah. So I think, yeah, like I said, if he ends up in a medium, I think he's going to put money on six or eight guys' books. I think they're going to, like you said, they're going to order commissary. He's going to have somebody make it his bed. He's going to be, you know, is it soft extortion? Yeah. I mean, I agree. He's going to do that.

He's going to think he's doing it so that they can help make his, you know, people will, you know, whatever, they'll mop his room. They'll make his bed. They'll help do his clothes. Like, he's going to live very well, but it's still prison. It sucks. And, you know, he's going to have his visitors and he's going to have lots of buddies and her friends. That's, you know, that's assuming that nothing comes out. Well, once again, that's if he takes a plea and nothing comes out.

He gets him to drop some of the charges. You know, maybe they drop some of the charges. his lawyer's telling him he's going to get 15, he ends up with 20. And keep in mind, too, the whole time, he's thinking, I'm appealing this, I'm appealing that, my lawyer's going to get me this. So he's just throwing money at him. And so he's got that hope that's getting him through it. That's the best case scenario.

He ends up in a medium for a few years. And then he ends up going to a low, best case. Yeah, I don't think that, that is his best case, but I don't think that's going to happen. I just don't believe, I don't believe that he's. He's going to. I think there's two reasons, and I've said it already, but I think that the government doesn't want to let him cop out. I think they want to smash him. And I think that he's not going to want to cop out to what they would offer if there was an offer. If they even decided 20 years for this guy that's been out here living his best life, no way. I think my other analysis or my hypothesis is maybe it's so overwhelming the thought of going to prison for the rest of his life. Maybe he's, checks out. Maybe he checks out. Or if his judge can go to the Second Circuit and convince them to grant him bail, which I think is a possibility, right? If he can get a bond, I think now he realized like, oh, man, maybe he takes off. Maybe when you're still recognizable. Where's he

going to go? He's going to get caught immediately. Whoever, any country out there is going to grab him and throw him back. Like, they're going to come for him. Let's see, what's he going to do? Go to Russia? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. yeah his bank accounts are going to be frozen he's gonna he's gonna have he's he's in a he's in a bad spot I mean he's in the spot he does he should be in but but yeah you don't think he's made moves to move money around and shit while this shit was going on how much money can you move around electronically you know what I'm saying like has he been stashing cash away all of these years waiting for this I don't know it doesn't seem like he's thought he's I think never thought you never thought this

would have right I don't think there's ever you get arrogant enough that you just don't think it'll ever catch up to you or you have close calls and you keep filing those you keep settling those lawsuits and you just think like i'm like that bro like it does i can handle anything that comes at me i got it all taken care of then then you get the cuffs put you get the indictment you get the cuffs put on you the judge the judge doesn't let you out on bond and you realize you start you know you after what a week in that cell you start thinking i can't i don't know if i can do this thinking that right now he don't know if he can do this he's like wow man like the same my life. You know, he's so used to being the boss, right? He's so used to have an

power. What happens when you take power from someone, right? Absolute power, absolute corruption, right? And I think that, man, once upon a time, he was probably an all right dude, but I always, since I was a kid, felt like, you know, hey, I grew up listening to Biggie, one of my favorite rappers, him and Jada kiss. But, you know, and you've seen puppy, he's always around. I used to think, that's an arrogant dude, man, like sending people to fly to New York City to get him a piece of cheesecake from juniors because he's in California. He had it like there. He could fly a plane and he would get a cheese. cake, bro. And I'm like, man, it's doing

man. I used to think, man, like, damn, man, you could be taking care of some kids, man, with that money. You know, you're wasting that shit, bro. And I always felt like, you know, once he got that power, people get arrogant, man. People like, you get money, you get power, and you get arrogant. That's what it is. Yeah, I can definitely see that.

Well, let me tell you, he's about to get a fucking dose of humility. I think I think he's already got it. When you're sitting in that shoe and they put you in that orange jumpsuit, and they give you them

them orange jump shoes, right? Man, he's used to wearing designer clothes and eating the food that he wants. His reality is like, he's looking around

that cell right now and he can't even think. His thoughts are everywhere. He can't calm down right now. He's in a state of distress. He can't read a book. He's walking back and forth. He's pacing.

He's like, yo, I need a legal call. He's telling his lawyers, I need you to come up here. He's in desperation where he has to do anything he can to get out of that cell. I'll pay you whatever you need. Come up here.

I need a lawyer visit, send your, you know, send your people up here, bring them up here to talk to me. And I mean, I'm sure that there's people up there visiting them on a regular basis, lawyers, just so he could get out of that cell. Because, look, I did 14 months in the hole, right? And have you ever been to the hole? Yeah, but most I ever did was like 45 days. That's nothing. I mean, four days is too long. What hurts the most, probably the first three or four days is what hurts the most.

You're instantly depressed. You just came off the street. You're in a cell all alone, no one to talk to. And you're like, damn, man. And you're facing a life sentence. And you know you're facing a life sentence. And sometimes you're all alone with no one else but yourself. You're all alone with your thoughts, right?

He can lie to anybody he wants. But he can never lie to himself, man. And he knows what he did. And he knows what, you know, his lawyers, he knows what the indictment in his cell. He's reading it. That's what he's reading right now. He's probably, you know what it looks like? You've been there.

This is what it looks like. This is what his indictment looks at right now. It looks like this right now. He's going to walk around his cell out all day, bawling it up. He's got the waves spinning on his head. He's like, damn, man. He's scratching.

He's like, man, look at him. Man, why they say that? That ain't true. He's telling him, that ain't, man, no, I ain't do that. My hell, I don't know him to beat that. And then he's like, damn, man.

You don't think he's cried since he's been in there? How many people, how many reviewers think that fuck that he has cried since he's been in solitary confinement in his shoe? special housing unit nothing special about how many times you think he's cried since he's been in there a considerable amount

considerable you cried with the first time you went to the shoe no but I'd been locked up a few years and you know I had already had a dose of humility I'll tell you when I cried when I got fucking sentenced like I couldn't stop like the whole by the time I got a hold of myself

I was in the U.S. Marshals back in the cell then they put me in the then you drive back when I got back to the U.S. Marshal's The Holdover and walked in, I had just been on the news and 150, 200 guys looked right at me

and guys are just like shaking their head. Boom, the fucking waterworks start again. I mean, just couldn't even stop it. Because I remember thinking, thank God I got myself under control before I walk in this unit. Oh. Hey, I mean, that's what he's going through, right? Eventually, when he makes it to prison,

he'll be in a much better position, right? he won't be in the shoe no more he'll be able to make moves he'll be able to order you know who's working in the staff kitchen i'm sending oh dude's paying you 500 a week i got 1500 a week i got to eat and that what happens is the dude that was getting the contract someone tells and now that guy doesn't work in the staff kitchen i mean it's just a vicious cycle of yeah you know all the people that don't you know we're we're convicts we don't do this we don't do that they all do all that shit yeah man someone's gonna tell he's got the contract now but he'll be all the move he'll be all to make moves he'll be able to make moves he can't even he can't even think about

anything like that right now right now it's still trying to get once he's been locked up six months or a year and like i said his kind of expectations where he's like look like if i can get a good book that i'm into like this is this is this is this is this is amazing like i got a book that i can't put down he can't think like that right now he's he's he's he's expecting four fucking strippers to show up and and, you know, and have a, have a fucking threesome and bring in some videos and throw some slash some baby oil on them. And, you know, he's still thinking like that. Like, he's, you know, he's not thinking, hey, if I could just get a good book. I'm going to tell your viewers what he's not doing. Even though we know he's probably a deviant

type of cat, like he's into some wild stuff. No, like we said, whatever you do behind closed doors, I guess that's, you know, whatever he does, he does. But his shit's vicious, but some of the stuff. you only got bits and pieces in the indictment like you got this much you know i do federal criminal law every day the indictment tells this much there's really this much so i tell you what he's not doing right now he's probably not walking around his cell butt naked hitting himself off he can't even think he no matter how deviant he is he's still he's still he's distraught man the dude's distraught right now he's hungry he might even be well you know what he's been there a few days he's probably starting to get hungry now and now he's looking at the tray like damn bro

he's the type of dude he's like damn man Man, you eat that bullshit. The first few meals, it's like, I'm not eating that, boy, that two or three days later. Boy, that old yoke asabi, you know, that chicken fried rice with no chicken, it sure is, it smells good. And then he's going to eat it. He's like, damn, man, the portions are so small. My stomach's touching my back. His stomach's touching his back.

And, you know what his goal is right now? His goal is to what? I mean, they went to complain to the judge already in their detention order. that, hey, the jail conditions are absolutely horrible. I mean, you got MS-13 just stabs someone there 40-something times. Two people there, right, about six months ago. He's not a nice place. NBC Brooklyn's a dangerous place, full of bloods, full of young dudes from New York,

they don't give a fuck, lots of gang members. MS-13 dudes are down there. It's not the nicest place. Well, I was going to say, what a weak-ass argument. It's like, oh, the conditions are horrible. Well, really? Because we got thousands of people going through there every single day. Are we supposed to ship all of them and fix off?

If it's good enough for the rest of it, everybody else it's good enough for your client like that's a that's a move just a bill i just get to i'm just i'm just yeah we absolutely we're gonna follow a motion right now charge him fucking forty five hundred dollars for the motion we know it's getting turned down the letter's probably five grand the letter that his lawyer wrote right so um so he's like man i need to pay my lawyers man i mean he's not money doesn't mean anything to him anymore nothing means anything except for man I got to get out of here somehow, some way. You've got to get me out of here.

I don't care what it costs. I don't care if I go all the way broke. I just got to get out of here. That's the state of mind. So he's on watch. Is that just in, because I've never been. I know what watch would be if he was in like the Atlanta pin, like the holdover in Atlanta. I know what watch would be.

But I don't know what it would be like in New York. What is that like? Is he in a normal cell and they're just going by multiple times or is he in one of those special cells? Let me tell you what, I was a guy companion in prison, right, in New York, and Raybrook in a couple other places. So they're not going to say my companion this cat. What is this guy companion?

That means I sit in this chair and watch it. And, you know, I used to do it, man, because, you know, look, bro, my brother, my brother knew himself, my grandma did himself. I got a long history of that, right? And I felt like, man, I really wanted to do that, right? So I go down here and talking to some of the dudes, man, make him feel a little bit better so they don't give up on life, don't give up on hope. But in his situation, because of who he is, they're not sitting another.

an inmate down and around my companion to watch them, I can guarantee that. It's probably the lieutenant. There's a lieutenant sitting there, and a lieutenant is assigned to that. I watch to sit there in front of his cell and watch them because they don't want the Jeffrey Epstein thing to happen to puff down. Oh my God, if that happened, it really, New York would be on fire, right? They'd be saying, hey, the cops plotted, they killed him, that he knew too much. I mean, the conspiracy theories would be all over the place, and somebody would be in trouble. So no, I believe they got a staff member sitting there. I don't believe it's a regular cop. There's a staff member that sits right there in front of yourself.

You got the G unit vest on, right? I mean, 50 cents been clowning them for years. So, you know, what's the G unit vest? I'll tell you, people, and it's the, what they give you to wear, it's like this weighted down thing that they give you to wear, it's like a vest, and you're freezing your balls off, literally, because it's ice cold in there, and you try to,

and then they give you the G unit blanket, too. That's what we used to call them. The G unit blanket, something you cannot ever tie or hurt yourself. We used to call them the turnose suit. We used to call them the turluit. suit. I call it the G unit best, right? And the G unit blanket where you can't tie it up. So he's in that

cell right now, laying on that cold ass mattress and he's probably got his legs up like this. He just got done pacing for about an hour. And he's got the blanket over him. And the blanket's so small that you can. Like if you covered your shoulders, it won't cover your, all the way down to your ankles and your feet. It becomes

like right below your knees. So you've got to jack your knees up in order to cover up and stay warm. The position that he's in right now. I'm sure he'll, he may not You know, I'm sure if he's on it, still, he'll be coming off any day. No killer. The shoe hurts so bad that he's like, man, I don't care about no one doing anything to me. I need to go to population, man.

I need to be able to use this phone all day long if I need. I need to be able to eat. I need to be able to do this. I need to be able to do that. He's trying to get himself into population. He don't give a shit about MS stabbing, no one would have 45 times. And there's dudes waiting for him, bro. Not to hurt him.

There ain't dudes at NBC Brooklyn right now waiting to hurt puppy. I don't give a shit when anyone says. There's no one there waiting to hurt. They're waiting. Put money out of the books. Hell yeah, they're waiting to eat, man. Yo, pooh, what I? There's going to be some dude there that everybody's, you know, like, look, New York City

dudes, man, there's always a leader, right? But there's always other dudes that are like, they don't even see who you are. You're the leader, man. See, you ain't my leader. But a lot, there's more people look up to this one dude that's in the unit, whoever that dude is. A lot of dudes look up to him. They're scared of them.

Some of them felons and convicted drug dealers and all, they're scared of that dude. That dude that's got all the power They're scared of him for some reason He might not even be able to fight But he's convinced everybody That he's that dude So that dude's waiting for Puff. Puff comes up there, you already know

Yo, what up, fam? What's good? You know what it is, y'all? What's up, you? You know, I got you, man. I know you just did what you do. Three weeks down there? I know you're hungry.

Hold up, homie. Yo, oh, I got the rice with the octopus, man. My man's putting it together right now, man. They're over there making the rice with some mac in there. They got the Mac coming out of the bag. Without the bones, you know, I mean, they got him.

He needs to get the population. You want to know the truth? He needs to get the population. But the staff are going to be like, oh, no, he's in danger. He's pop, hey, he can't go to the population here. And really, he can. It's all bullshit, bro. He's probably better off in population.

You need to be around people when you're hurting inside. You need to have people to talk to you. You need to be able to get on the phone and call your family because you need a little bit of comfort. You need that shit, bro. Yeah, but they don't care. The staff doesn't care about that. They don't care, but what I'm saying is that they're making all the,

they make the wrong decisions all the time. But if he knew what was in his best interest, he'd be talking to his lawyers trying to get the population. Does he get commissary? The whole? Yeah, no. Yeah, well, yeah, in the hole. Like, yeah, I'm wondering.

So let me tell you something. A lot of penitentiaries stop. Like USP Lee, you could get all kinds of shit at one time. Then they broke it down to one bag of coffee, one candy bar. When I was in the whole apology, you get like one, they got five things on. the thing five different things you get like one bag of chips one one bag of cookies one bag of coffee but i think a lot of the shoes have now transitioned to you can't buy shit you can't

buy nothing then books magazines book carts come up they stop letting you get books at some of them i've been in all different places newspapers all the way down when i was in lee county you couldn't get newspapers or nothing anymore by the time i left they because you know people are covering your window with newspapers they're ripping books up magazines people are sending deuce in in all different ways. I mean, it's not something that I'm revealing. I mean, they, they know this for years. They were out of bookstores and spraying books and having, you know, the bookstore sent a book in and, hey, man, page one, 100 through 115, it's full of deuce. News are making thousands and thousands of dollars per sheet, you know what I mean? What, like, are there, the shoe you were in, did they

have a shower in the, in the cell? It depends on where you're at. Yeah. I was in Lee County, Pollock. USP Pollock when I was in the shoot air, we had a shower, USP Lee we had a shower, Big Sandy we had a shower. It's usually, I think, when you go to them FCIs, Raybrook didn't have a shower. When I went to the whole Raybrook, no shower in the cell, you had to walk down the range. But a lot of the penetries have showers in the cell. Yeah, I was going to say. In Brooklyn, if I remember correctly, I was in Brooklyn in 2007. No shower in the cell, if I remember correctly, not in the cell that I was in.

Yeah, I was in the shower in the low and the medium. and both had showers, but in the pen, I went to the pen, I was in, I mean, I didn't go to the pen, I was held in the pen shoe. Yeah. For a day, no shower in there, but I was out in the day. So, so. Yeah. At the one or the two?

I couldn't even tell you, bro. I mean, I was in the van. Like, I'm, they drove me from the low to the, you know, to the pen. And like, I'm waiting for them because they were, they were renovating the low. and the medium was full so they had to put me in the shoe and the only shoe they had available was at the pin so they drive me in a van over there

and I'm going in the pen I'm like where are we going? Where are we going? They're like we're going to the pin I'm like, for what? Are we dropping, are we picking up somebody? And they're like, yeah man, see Cox it's fucking full in the medium and they're renovating the low And I was like, fuck.

And so when we get there, you know, as they're, you know, they're stripping you down. They can do the whole thing again, put you in your fucking special shoe thing and everything. I said, listen, I seen the guys walking around you. They got them in the dog kennels. Completely tatted faces. You know, walking around just fucking jacked looking like caged fucking animals. And I'm looking over there. And I said, bro, you can't put me in.

You can't put me in with one of these guys. and the guy that's exactly what he did he started laughing he goes Cox he said I got you bro you're gonna be by yourself he said it's okay

like they're laughing I'm like bro I'm from the low I'm a low inmate you understand and they're like I got you bro oh yeah I mean that's my take on Puffy

and what I think's gonna happen we'll come back we'll see who's right I don't think that he has the balls to cop out to a 20 piece because he knows it's a life sentence I don't think

that they want him to cooperate I think they want to smash this dude just like they wanted to smash R. Kellyn. They're like, dude, you're a bad dude, bro. Then we don't want you out of here. Now, if he was just out freaking chicks and, you know, in the club, you know what I'm saying. I think it's bigger than that, man. I think there's going to be a superseding indictment.

I think there's going to be maybe some 924C charges in there, some narcotics charges, maybe some more trafficking charges, some more counts for specific individuals. And I think that he's going to be so far in death with the government that there's nothing he can do to get out of. Well, there's, first of all, there's already people that they're re-ended that are right now being questioned by another, a second grand jury. So obviously there's going to be, there's going to not, I mean, not necessarily, does that mean it always happens? But in this case, yeah, you're there right. There's going to be additional charges. But the other thing is, and I agree with you, like, take something like El Chappo, like, it doesn't matter what this guy says.

Like, you're done. You're not, you know, oh, I'll cooperate. I don't give a fuck. Who are you giving us? Like, so, yeah, in some cases, there's nothing you can say. but like I said I don't know what he knows the guy that they wanted they're like we like El Chapo

like you you are the guy we've been fighting the drug war all these years allegedly you're the guy at the top of the chain you and El Maya we got you and now we got Armaio hey listen I got a question what do you think about the El Mayo thing

I think it's an absolutely crazy absurd like what the hell happened type of story you couldn't make that fucking shit up that's insane that's insane straight insanity like if you had told listen first of all that whole thing the guy that you know first it's the first escape okay it was rudimentary the tunnel for el chapo was

state of the art the idea that you could up half a mile to a mile away dig a tunnel and end up in this guy's cell like i don't know what kind of engineer you had but that's some german engineering shit but then the i you couldn't make up the whole i'm going to grab this dude kidnap him, put him in a plane, fly him to the United States, and drop them off at the fucking, at the airport and bring, I mean, if you told anybody

that's what's going to happen, they'd be like, you're insane. That's never going to happen. It's, you couldn't make it up. I've seen a lot of crazy shit, man. I've seen a dude that killed some people in New York City and Chinatown.

And I think he was Vietnamese. And they sent some people from China into Vietnam or Vietnam into China or whatever to get them. I think he was in China. And they just captured him in the name. They paid soldiers to go capture him for the American government and brought him back. And he ended up with 30 years. I was in big Sandy.

What about, oh, God, I can't believe. Am I really not going to remember this dude's name? You know, the, not the Lord of War. The merchant of death, shoot. The Russian dude. Yeah. I know you're talking about. Yeah, he was.

You know, he was in... Interviewed as Selly on my channel. Oh, really? Alexander Swing, yeah. Yeah, they lured him out of Russia to whatever it was, the Philippines or Singapore or I'm sorry, I don't know where it was, but they lured him out of there to do a deal, arrested him. He fought extradition.

He was, he won the extradition. And the American government just came in, walked into the prison, grabbed him, put him on a plane with him screaming the whole time. put him on a plane, flew him back to the United States. That's it. They kidnap people too, bro. Yeah. They watchers.

They're coming to get you. Yeah. Oh, I've met a dozen guys that are from Colombia, Cuba, Mexico, where they're, you know, where the U.S. government where they just came and just grabbed them one night, threw them on a plane. What about, oh, you know who you probably know? His name was, his girlfriend's name was Nova. he was a bank robber Scott Pritcher

Do you know Scott Pritcher? Know the name man So he and his He and his girlfriend were in South We're in South Africa Hiding from did whatever 20 bank robberies or something They're in South Africa

He's making money doing day trading She's working at a As a waitress And some guy from the United States Went into the bar Looked at her Oh and Scott Pritcher was there at the same time and had just had been in a post office in like the United States like two days earlier and saw the poster and looked and went man that that chick looks like that poster went home pulled up online looked at it printed it off went back looked at her because he's gone and was like holy shit calls the FBI FBI comes down they get her fingerprints they print her they follow her for a couple days there was no extradition with South with South Africa

at that time. And so they watched him for a couple of days, found out where he was staying at an apartment complex where they were both staying there, watched for a couple days, called the local South African police department and said, this is the FBI. We have two of our citizens that are wanted. They're staying at this apartment complex. Don't come into the area. We're going to grab them and bring them to the airport.

And they said, all right, we got you. They grabbed him, kidnapped him, kicked in the front door, black bag, zipped them up, Kovs, throw him in a van, drove him to a fucking, to the airport, put him in a plane, flown back to the United States. If you thought he could have went to Cuba and stayed safe? No. No, that's what I'm saying.

He's too recognizable. I think it would have had to have been someone like Russia or North Korea, you know, somebody who we're just going to be like, yeah, we're not going to, we're not going to do that. I would take president over Kim Jong-un any day of the week. Oh, yeah. For a line.

Yeah. Yeah, who knows? I definitely wouldn't be, definitely would be in North Korea. I think he could have went to Russia and probably lived, man. What do you think? I mean, if he was able to have money, if he had siphoned off enough of his money,

I think that in North Korea, Ken Jong-year may end up, who knows, he may be a fan. But he could be a fan today and a fucking animal tomorrow. Like he fed his uncle to wild dogs, he, you know, his family members. If your family members don't mean shit because you wake up in the morning, you're like, you know what? Oh, I'm doing this to that. Well, he would have been a performing, you know,

he'd have been performing the rest of his life for that dude. He would be scared the rest of his life. You think he'd be singing for him? Oh, he'd, listen, he'd be trying to start a whole record label and want to do a whole, like, who knows what he would have him do it. And he'd do it because he'd be terrified. And if Puffy ever tried to hump him, he'd probably finish him off, right? Maybe. Maybe.

We'll see what happened. I went on a short clip, man. puppy's trying to up Kim John own, right? Listen, they got the punks in federal prison, some of these with boobs and asht jobs, and who knows what's going to happen there, you know, this. That's why I said it's not going to bother him as much. I mean, there's dudes in there with tits, you know, any chicks with, you know, and I think that he'll definitely lose.

Everybody knows that he's on, he's into, you know, he's on ants, you know what I mean, he's a sword fighter, right? We'll use that term. Everybody knows that he's a sword fighter, skin flu player, whatever you want to call it. So he's, there's no shame in his game. like he's not tripping he'd be right in prison like and not that it's going to make him feel better because he's lost his freedom but he wouldn't be as uncomfortable as you know a regular dude like myself you know he's he's got what he what he's been doing in this treat he can do in here

yeah he might fall in love he might settle down they might have a little ceremony on the yard you never know they have karaoke night on tuesday karaoke night like it might not be a bad situation for ever lost american history x no i've watched parts of it So I was in Big Sandy with this dude, right? And it's just kind of relates to Puffy. He was all the way American History X before he changed his life, right? This dude was a white gang member. He was on it.

You know, white dude shouldn't be playing any sports with black dudes, yo. There's the white TV. But he lived that life, right? And then I would see him years later. He was involved in, you know, some vicious stabbings, tacked this dude on the bus, got the chains off, started whacking the dude with the chains. He lived that life. He also had a life sentence in Nevada.

I think he had 20 or 30 years in the, Feds, and then after that, a life sentence in Nevada, he was a former skin. He was a, you know, well, he's a former skin head now. What was it? P99. I forgot P99 or so. I forgot what they're cold. But anyway. And I would see him years later, man. And he was, he was distraught over this Indian dude. Like, he was in love with him. They were lovers. And he was no longer a white gang member. And he was now, you know, at a dropout gang member yard. He just, I was like, wow, bro, like, what happened to American History X to,

and he was embarrassed in the beginning, right? And then one day I was like, yo, man, my hair, and what's up, bro? Like, what's up, though? And he's like, bro, I'm here for life, man. He's like, it was embarrassed. He knew that I knew, but he never wanted to talk about it. One day I was out there doing pull-ups and he was out there. I'm like, yo, what's up, bro?

Like, what happened, man? He said, bro, I don't know, man. He's like, he's like, I love him, bro. I'm like, what the fuck? You love him? Like, dude, you were this all-American gangster. Holy, like, white gangster. Like, what the, and I was just like, I don't even know what I was, man.

I didn't even know what to say. Man, this was a dude that other white dudes that, you know, live that movie life. Like, man, it's like a movie. This was the dude that they looked up to, bro, and he was in their sword fighting. I'm just like, wow, bro. I could, I just couldn't believe it. Some people are watching. They know who he is.

When I mentioned his real name, Aaron, they know who he is, man. He's a skin out of California called a life sentence in Nevada. I was just shocked, bro. And I'm being honest with you, man. For some weird reason, because I lived in prison politic life at one time, they should have hurt my feelings, man, to see that, to know that, that dude went from being this to that, you know what I mean? I mean, they teach their own whatever choice.

It's just not something you would ever expect. And the same thing, you know, well, not the same thing, but Huffy, I do believe he may very well go out there and get married, and he'll have a chick with tits and, I mean, a dude with tits, and it's all the chicks, you know what I mean? but and he's going to do it he's not going to be free but he's going to live the life that he lived in the street he's going to be the boss he's going to have plenty of money he's going to have people around him he's going to end up in a safe prison which we know there's safe prisons

but there's always a nutcase that might say you know what i'm going to get this cat today i want to transfer so i'm going to go hit him up because i owe a thousand dollars a drug debt right so i just go stab him and they're going to send me over to wherever they send me but i'm going to leave here with good paperwork brother you know you got dudes that are just absolutely you got dudes that live this prison life, they're absolute morons, bro, and I was one of them morons once upon a time. You know, I'm in prison looking for issues.

Like, what am I, retar? I'm like, yeah, what's up, man? I'm an asshole, bro. I'm faking at the highest level. And I always say, man, men respect men and, you know, freak me as a man before I'm an inmate. I'm a convict, but men make their own decisions.

If that tells you to go get that cell and get naked, you're going to get that selling get naked. Whether they got to beat you up, tie you down, you're going to get naked. They want to forepoint you, they're going to forepoint you. I mean, your viewers might not four-pointed to get your butt-ass naked, hands to the bed, one leg to the bed this way, one leg to bed that way, and you're there for two or three days, shitting and pissing on yourself, man.

How would you like to live that, my? It doesn't seem super manly. No, not at all. Men make the wrong decisions, man. And prison prevents you from making manly decisions. So. Well, sometimes I'll get this question, right? And guys will say, like, what was the worst thing you ever saw in prison?

the worst thing I ever saw in prison and you know I've seen guys get hit with locks I've seen guys get stabbed I mean I'm certain nothing like you saw but you know I've seen I've seen guys just so much you know blood on their on their

you know bleeding so much that the white shirt that they had was was dark brown and red like just it was just every it was leaking you know their head like you know so um but the worst thing I ever saw

was the complete human of this guy. I was in the medium writing, you know, I was writing guys stories, sitting there writing and writing, and there was a punk in there. I mean, thin braids,

like, I mean, like full of, bro, he practically looked, I mean, just complete, air's perfect. I mean, this guy, he's probably 5, 9, 510, thin, but I mean, with the exception of having, like, fake tits, like, this, like, he was good. Sitting there,

stop with the legs with the legs twisted right i'm just messing with you with the legs twisted reading like a bog magazine turning the pages reading and you know you see him there you don't even pay attention i'm right and i'm writing and this guy walks in he's got to be six foot six maybe six two he looks like he looks like he looks like he's on a heavy dose of steroids but you know these guys just look like that after 20 years of working out he comes in and and I mean this guy, I know I've never seen him in the library. He walks in and I looked up and I thought, shit, this dude is Jack. I've seen the guy, you know, he never leaves the rec yard.

And he walks in and walks right up to the punk and goes, Baby, can I talk to you outside? And the punk just keeps turning the pages. Baby, baby, can I talk to you outside? Everybody in the, there's 20 of us in there, right? We all kind of look up and he kind of looks around all of us. Look right back down. baby baby can i talk to you outside and and the the punk's flipping the pages and looks up and says i don't like the way you talk to me in front of your friends

baby please baby please can i talk to outside baby please and it goes to put his hand on the punk's shoulder and you know she goes don't push me and he goes oh baby please baby please can i talk to outside baby please i mean the humiliation that came over i was i was humiliated for him. It was so, this is a guy that was in, I mean, we're talking about 3% body fat. This is a guy that looked like a superhero. And he is, he's, he's humiliated. Finally, the punk gets up and they go outside and then they have a little tiff outside. They have a tiff in the library, very brief. But the basic, basic premise of the story was that it was, I'm telling you, it was like the worst thing I'd ever seen in my entire life. Like this, this dude was just, just, just, crippled because obviously he's got a life sentence he's worked his way down from a pen he

thinks he's in love maybe he is in love and it would but it was it was like a man and woman having an argument in a crowded restaurant and it was humiliating to me it was i'd rather watch a couple guys stabbing themselves like i get what's going on there i just this guy was it was horrible horrible some wild things in there man but um matt man i definitely appreciate you having me on man i see your channel doing big things man and congratulations bro you did it you made it you know what i mean you're you're on your way there so i appreciate it how do you get some really good guess bro like you get some good guests do you have anything else you want to go into i could say this right i just did you know i don't know if you got mob genre

people on your channel but i did you know in prison i was a jailhouse lawyer quote on quote one of the best i wrote the first compassionate release motion in the country um after trump passed the first step back and thousands of people have gotten out of jail because of it um and i own a paralegal firm freedom fighters. I recently did Tommy Reynolds case. Some people might know who Jimmy Calandra is, the Bass Street crew, right? Well, Tommy's a guy that Jimmy talked a lot of shit about. And Tommy and me were like this in prison. I did his case. I got him a reduction before and I just did his stuff again. And I've got some emails from people. Oh, you're a piece of shit. You got that dude out of jail. You're a scumbaggy. Somebody that was a mother. She wasn't

involved in any type of crime. They went to the wrong house. But I just want his case. So he He's going to get out on compassionate release. And he should be out soon. Tommy Reynolds, Bass Street crew guy, turned his life around. And I think he does deserve a second chance, man. But I've gotten some emails where I'm like, damn, dude, you went out to find my email to write me that?

Like, I might need, you know any bodyguards, bro? No. But no, we're all good, man. I appreciate you coming on if you could. You know, I'll mention, if you don't, Prip. I'll mention my channel, Blood on the Razor Wire TV. We do a lot of prison slash, I'm kind of going towards the true crime thing.

I was a staff writer of Prisoner's Legal News. I write legal briefs every day. So the true crime thing is kind of my thing. And I'm sure, I don't know if you have, but I narrated my own book. So you can kind of tell I can do the true crime thing. But that's where we're going. Check us out, blood on the Razor Wire TV.

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