Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - RELEASED JFK FILES EXPOSE THE LARGEST COVER-UP IN US HISTORY

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 going to be releasing the JFK files. There is a reason that this has not been released for over 60 years. It has to be because the CIA is involved. There was government involvement. And I don't think a country wants to reveal that, even if it's 60 years later. Trump's saying that they're going to release 80,000 documents or the JFK files. You interviewed a guy who has been studying this for decades. Yeah, Jefferson Morley.
Starting point is 00:00:28 So what are your thoughts? That's about, I know you're skeptical. But Trump did say 80,000. He said 80,000 documents unredacted. I won't get into politics, but Trump says a lot of things. So he could very well release 80,000 documents. The question is how much of the documents is already stuff that other researchers and other reporters have already kind of dug up at his already public information. like the Epstein
Starting point is 00:01:00 the big Epstein file dropped from a few weeks ago that everybody was pissed off about because it was all stuff that was already out there. So he could, there could be new stuff that is interesting
Starting point is 00:01:15 but is not like the smoking gun kind of stuff. And if you know, and if you've looked into the JFK assassination, I'm by no means a scholar, but I've read a few books
Starting point is 00:01:25 and documentaries, you know, the real, spoken gun that people want to know is the files on Lee Harvey R's wall than his relationship and possible employment
Starting point is 00:01:37 with the CIA and the FBI. If Trump releases that stuff, I will be the first one to credit him. But I don't know what documents he's releasing. So, you know, assuming he releases
Starting point is 00:01:54 new stuff that has never been out there, than, you know, experts like Jefferson Morley of JFK files, you know, should be able to start digging in right away. Oliver Stone, who's done documentaries and research on this. But there is, I mean, recently it came out that the FBI had found, I believe it was 1400 or 14,000 documents that were kind of mislabeled or misfiled somewhere. So there's a lot of different documents. They've been held in different places. So I am skeptical, but we'll just have to see what he releases.
Starting point is 00:02:37 To be clear, you know, there is a reason that this has not been released for over 60 years, many, many different presidents. So, you know, they are, I think most common sense people, most common sense people do not believe the official story. and the CIA and FBI is, it's kind of generational secrecy. So even though most of the people that might have been involved in a potential CIA assassination of the president, even though a lot of them are dead now, most of them are dead now, that doesn't mean the current agency, you know, would just freely say to the president, all right, release it. So I'll be curious to see what is released, if it's a lot of stuff that's already public knowledge, if some new stuff is sprinkled in, but not. not exactly spoken gun information. We'll see. I believe the official exclamation or exclamation.
Starting point is 00:03:36 What am I trying to say? Explanation. Okay. Explanation. I believed it until like the last maybe year, six months to a year. I really did. Like I kind of was like, oh, you know, listen, I saw, I saw Oliver Stone. I saw JFK.
Starting point is 00:03:57 And I've watched a bunch of these, these shows where they talk about the rifle and, you know, the scope was broken. And, you know, and of course, I'm always like, okay, well, the scope could have been broken. It could have been working. He dropped it. It got jammed. Like, whatever. You know, I believed all of these things. And I've seen the Zapruder film.
Starting point is 00:04:15 And I've been like, okay, well, bullets travel in very odd ways. You know what I'm saying? They travel differently. Bounce. They this. And that film's not. clear it. And I always kind of believed it. But I'm telling you, Jordan, in the last six months to a year, there have been so many things that I absolutely was sure of the official explanation that have
Starting point is 00:04:38 just not been true. You know what I'm saying? It's like mocking people when you were in the, when I was in the 80s and 90s, you'd mock people for believing in UFOs. And now the Navy comes out and they got all these fucking videos. And you got all these pilots. And not only that, then pilots of commercial jets are coming out saying, well, yeah, we see stuff.
Starting point is 00:04:59 You know, like there's all of these things. And it's like all of the things that I was 100% positive, people were just these nutty conspiracy theory people are, are now correct. Maybe they're not 100% correct. But then they don't have 100% of the information either. So they're putting it together with what they can figure out
Starting point is 00:05:18 because they don't have the official, the official records and the thing with JFK is I just don't understand why you wouldn't release it why they wouldn't have released it earlier and there's so many different versions and so many different things that are coming out from people digging stuff up on their own that it's just it's just the official record just you know or explanation wow I'm having a hard time it just can't be right and so I'm dying to know what's in these fucking things. I mean, I'm dying to know. Like, there's just no, like now everything I look at, I don't believe anything that comes out anymore. And I keep thinking to all the, like you said,
Starting point is 00:05:59 all these people are dead. Like all these people are dead. Like, why wouldn't you release it? That it has to be because the CIA is involved or because I had a guy on the other day who was saying he believes that the somehow or another he believed it was. He had a whole theory in and of, you know, on his own that I'd never heard. And it basically was all. kind of a conspiracy and almost everybody involved was Jewish and that the Musad was involved and there was a whole thing there that he had and he was like and due to anti-Semitism they were afraid to ever mention it because it wouldn't look good for Israel for some reason and he had a whole theory on that and I can't I can't regurgitate everything that he said because it was
Starting point is 00:06:43 a little bit more complicated than my brain is able to to comprehend but we know of course when they, and whenever these guys say it, it makes sense. And I was like, God, that's pretty good, too. That's a good one, you know? I've had a couple of guys on here who have talked about JFK and, you know, Cuba and the, um, the mob and how, um, and they'll track, uh, they'll track Oswald's track to Cuba and back and here and back. And it basically almost seems like they, just like, like all of something, they placed them in the depository. and then they shot him and they planted it on Oswald. Could you imagine Oswald if he really?
Starting point is 00:07:24 I'm just going to work, bro. I got me this job at the Texas Depository, booked as a host story. Like he's just figured it out as it's happening. That poor guy, if it's true. Well, I think when I first started doubting it, I believe it was 60 minutes of all places or some show like that. that decades ago, they had, they recruited like 10 or so of the world's most renowned marksman
Starting point is 00:07:57 to duplicate, to duplicate that shot from the sixth floor. By the way, through a tree or over a tree because there was a tree there. And most of them couldn't do it. And if they could, it was like on, you know, many, many, many tries. Lee R. V. Oswald was not some expert. Marksman. Then you have the Zabruder film. I mean, if you watch it, it seems very clear to me that JFK is moving backwards. I'm not a ballistics expert. I don't know how a bullet from behind you is trusting you backwards. Then you have very, very clear, I think, some type of corruption where From Joe Rogan to Gary Brecker, the term spike protein and conversations around detoxing have become a common topic lately.
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Starting point is 00:10:05 And they, you know, mandate that it has to be done in Bethesda. You have military interference. and generals interfering with the autopsy at the naval facility in Bethesda. There's accounts that part of his brain was shot off and then put back in. And then a more recent Oliver Stone documentary, which was very thorough. I mean, you know, some kind of people who poo-poo on this criticize Oliver Stone. But in my experience, watching his documentaries, it seems he's got receipts for a lot of things he's putting in there.
Starting point is 00:10:41 his most recent one, I think it was JFK revisited or something like that. I mean, there were witnesses on the ground, on the grassy knoll that were telling local media they saw a second shooter. But the media didn't, wouldn't show that footage or wouldn't show those interviews. You had witnesses in the book depository that worked there saying when they ran down the stairs right after the shots, they didn't see Lee Harvey Oswald running down. down the stairs. He would have been on the sixth floor. They were below him, but running down at the same time. So there's many things like Lee Harvey Oswald ordered a gun that was a totally different gun. So when you add all these things, and I'm probably just naming a few. And then just my spidey sense is a journalist. I mean, JFK's, it's not a secret. He was not exactly a faithful man. He had a mistress, Mary Meyer. who a year just very quickly after his assassination started asking questions and had talked to Bobby Kennedy that they thought there might be something more nefarious. She's mysteriously killed less than a year later. There's a whole book on it.
Starting point is 00:11:59 She's mysteriously killed like in the broad daylight daylight in Georgetown jogging because she was starting to kind of bark up the wrong tree and speak out publicly that she's. She didn't believe the official story. So there's just so many things. But overall, you just, if everything is created equally, they literally have broken the law. The 1992 JFK Records Release Act said that they were supposed to release all this many years ago. And Congress and presidents have just said, screw it. So I can't think of another reason why you wouldn't release it if there's stuff in there that shows. even if you want to even at even if it's not a full-blown CIA conspiracy that there was government
Starting point is 00:12:48 government involvement even in a minimal way and I don't think a country wants to reveal that even if it's 60 years later because just think about the cascading ramifications then you also have the Warren Commission I mean that's a whole other story they had the guy the JFK fired Alan Dulles running the Warren Commission witnesses who testified against the official story. Their testimony was not included. So there's so many different things. And there's people who could speak about this like Jefferson Morley,
Starting point is 00:13:24 JFK files, much better than I. But when you pair all these things together, it doesn't make sense that 60 years later we're still waiting for, I mean, tens of thousands of documents if there's not something to conceal. So what do you think the ramifications are that it gets released, and you find out, one, I can't believe that you would even keep these documents. So let's assume that there really are documents, because I would imagine that, let's say, you know, LVJ was involved and ordered the Secret Service,
Starting point is 00:13:53 or sorry, no, secret service, ordered the CIA to have this guy to set, set this whole thing up, find a fall guy, get us two or three shooters that can kill him. Also, the, uh, the route was changed at the last minute. Like these guys come and say, This is the best route. This would be the best perfect hairpin turn. He has to slow down to less than 15 miles an hour. He'd be in the perfect position for us to pop him.
Starting point is 00:14:21 There are places we can place guys easily where we can shoot it. It's a perfect place to take him out. And we've got this guy in the Texas Depository. He's been working there a few months. It's perfect, but they have to change the route. They change it at the last minute. So if it were to come out, hey, that, you know, LBJ, ordered it, which is what I kind of think happened.
Starting point is 00:14:45 He orders it. They changed the route. The CIA gets a bunch of marksmen that are either in the military or a former military because I saw an interview with a guy who was locked up in prison that insists he was one of the shooters. And he had been, I think he had been in the military and he is now doing private contracting. I could be wrong about that, but somehow or another, he was former military, a former sniper, but he was now doing, like, private security. And they came to him one day and said, this is what we want you to do.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Pretty sure that's how it work. And they went and he was basically like the guy in the grassy knoll or something. Or he was in the, where was he? It was a train, like train tracks or something. He was near. Anyway, he explains the whole thing. I mean, he's got a whole thing about biting the bullet where he's like placed it. There was teeth marks on a bullet that they had found and that there were teeth marks in it.
Starting point is 00:15:49 He's saying those weren't his teeth marks. Anyway, the point is, is that that let's assume that the CIA set the whole thing up and they have JFK killed. So what do you think the ramifications is if all of these guys are now dead, is your fear that what, that they dismantle the CIA when nobody that's. nobody there, nobody that was a part of this is still alive? Or you think that they come up with a whole new slew of oversight that the CIA doesn't want? Like, what exactly is, are the ramifications? I forgot one thing, by the way. It came out that there was a thwarted assassination attempt of JFK like two or three weeks earlier in Chicago, where JFK was scheduled to fly to Chicago. But the Secret Service call when that there was two shooters in a hotel over the route that JFK was going to be going
Starting point is 00:16:48 through and they called it off. So could, you know, believe to be maybe there were pre-Ozwoll Patsies. But so there's a lot of things. You know, there's a lot of different ramifications. Obviously not like, oh, you're going to exhume the bodies and try them. I mean, whoever was involved is gone. So no ramifications for people who are complicit. But I think it's kind of tied into the last half century. I mean, Dwight Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex, which is absolutely on steroids now. Our military budget is closing on a trillion dollars. It probably is a trillion dollars because the CIA is not added into the Pentagon budget. And if you, if it is shown that the CIA was involved essentially in a coup of the U.S. government, you know, for modern day people,
Starting point is 00:17:46 they would be aghast, but you might say, okay, but what's that going to do? Most people weren't alive during that time. Definitely not the younger generation. But I think how do people trust anything really coming from the government modern day if this happened then? And it seems that there was a cover-up after the cover-up because they've hit it from the masses for 60 years. And if Trump actually releases it, he would deserve credit.
Starting point is 00:18:15 But people would say, hey, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, all of these people were in on it. And this cover-up, then you start asking questions. We have a thousand military bases around the world. We're bombing eight or nine countries.
Starting point is 00:18:34 at once, all in the name of national defense or spreading democracy, I think it would have ramifications because people would, I mean, there's obviously a large number of people in America on both sides that already don't believe, you know, are anti-war or don't believe in, you know, the stated goal of the CIA, the FBI. But I really think it would have major ramifications for trust in government. I think there would be more critical protest, possibly people running on a policy to dismantle the CIA, dismantle the FBI. Let's take that money and give it to whatever, people, food for poor kids or, you know, college or et cetera. So I think it really could people already, not just like conspiracy theorists, but just normies, already don't trust a lot of what's coming out from the government, whether it's about health, war, we're giving all these countries money. So I think the main thing would be like a lot of people might say, hey, we can't trust this government because the government then 60 years ago killed the president and every government since helped conceal it.
Starting point is 00:19:56 Yeah, I hear you. That's... Not to mention, not to mention why. Everybody's got theories, but it is fact, JFK in his final year, was trying to get out of Vietnam, was trying to normalize relations with the boogeyman, you know, Cuba and the Soviet Union. He did the infamous American University speech,
Starting point is 00:20:20 which really pissed off all the warmongers and the generals because he talked about, you know, peace. And we need peace, you know, the Soviet Union and their children there are just like our children. But it was really he signed, I believe it was a couple months before he was assassinated, to initiate removing a thousand troops from Vietnam. So that goes to, it's not only that they killed the president, but why? And why was it concealed, which goes to this whole military industrial complex. So I really think, you know, a big major reason for why we have such.
Starting point is 00:20:56 gross income inequality and, you know, a lot of people think we live in a new gilded age where money is concentrated to the top is the military industrial complex. I mean, so much of our manufacturing, so much of our industry is built on war and building F whatever planes and, you know, drones and, you know, new and modern technology. But if this is exposed that he was killed in large part to scale all that back, I mean, JFK infamously said, or wrote, I want to, you know, obliterate the CIA into little smithereens. I really think it could totally, it could totally change the dynamic in terms of what the American people demand from their government. I could be totally naive, too. Yeah. And also, I mean, you could also have potentially more violence against. politicians or people, because, you know, the people who are a part of this system aren't going to let it go quietly. I mean, listen, between, you know, that and the Luigi thing, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:22:07 Like, that's, it's happening, you know what I mean? Like, I think that you get to a point where people say, I can't trust the government or I can't trust the system. And I'm just going to, you get people that start taking the, you know, taking the law into their own hands, right? Like, we saw assassination attempts against Trump. It's rumored that there was some close calls that didn't really go public with Obama that were thwarted. There are wanted signs that have been out there for other CEOs after the killing of the United Healthcare CEO. So, and I'm seeing it. I mean, I go on the ground.
Starting point is 00:22:47 I cover politics. I cover labor, worker strikes, just worker exploitation. I cover a lot of different things. And it's kind of a left-right thing. We've had really a controlled demolition of the working class. Whole cities and towns, particularly in, you know, the Midwest and other parts of the country, they look like ghost towns because the plants are closed. And there's. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Yeah. So people like you could only, JFK said it, when you make peaceful resistance impossible, violent revolution is inevitable. He said that. So I do think a lot of these things, obviously, of a different story. but the Luigi thing and this, there's an interconnectivity where people are working harder, longer hours, more jobs, and they're getting less. Productivity has gone up over the last 30 years. Wages have stayed about the same. They say, based on inflation, the minimum wage should be closer to like $25, $26. The federal minimum wage is like $7.25.
Starting point is 00:23:47 And now with AI, you could say AI is good for many things, but like any technology, it could be abused. And a lot of these corporations and CEOs are just chomping at the bit to use AI to replace workers. So I do think we're at a boiling point. And that's part of why even something from 60 years ago, if it is shown not only that the government was in on it, but every government since then basically hit it, who the hell knows what will happen? Well, I mean, so I mean, the middle class is clearly shrunk and shrunk and shrunk and there are more rich now than, you know, they're ever. really have been. The poor is massive. That the disparity between the haves and the have-nots is huge, you know, and growing all the time. So yeah, and inflation, you know, let's face it, who's it hurt? You know, it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt the rich. So it hurt, and it hurts
Starting point is 00:24:43 the middle, the small, the middle class that is left, it hurts to them, but it really hurts the poor, too. Um, so, uh, yeah, I, I, I, I am, oh, man, you had said so many things. You were going on it. And I was like, oh, I got to mention this. I got to mention this. I can't remember now. But I, I'm very curious to know what's, I'm super curious to know what's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:25:15 And I mean, this is, I got to know what these, what these documents are going to say. How long does it take to go through these documents? And, you know, and I, and I am, you know, and I am, you know, you know, It's funny, like the, you know what's funny is people are tearing apart the Luigi case, right? Like you're like you just, they found all of these posts. They found, they found all these, you know, Reddit and subreddit and all the different stuff that you were talking about. You know, what's all of these different social media things and the manifesto and all these things. And yet the kid that tried to kill Trump.
Starting point is 00:25:55 has almost been completely scrubbed. There's almost nothing on him. Right. And I don't. It's funny because I've mentioned this to a couple of guys. Oh, and as far as the CEOs, CEOs are terrified. I know that because I have a friend who is retired FBI, another one who is a former CIA agent,
Starting point is 00:26:17 and they have a security company. And he said, I talked to him this morning. I have another retired FBI agent. agent friend that is a private investigator in Florida. This is another guy. So anyway, this guy said business is booming. And their specialty is finding is going. They don't even provide like, I don't think they provide security. What they do is they look at your security and they determine where it's weak. And then of course, they'll arrange for security for like, you need to get this, you know, do this. Here's the thing. So they find the holes in your security
Starting point is 00:26:54 and what you need to be doing different to be safe. And he said, we are booked. So people are, you know, CEOs are definitely concerned. I'd be concerned. I think there's- Making questionable decisions. I think there's also another component to why they have concealed this for so long beyond just the actual smoking gun that might show CIA, FBI too.
Starting point is 00:27:21 but complicity, but there's a lot of documents that could expose, quote, sources and methods. And that's what's always used by the CIA, FBI for why something's classified. We can't release this document because it will reveal sources and methods that we use for national defense, i.e., you know, spies' identities or mechanisms we use or techniques we use to influence. trade other countries or yada, yada, yada. But there's a lot of sources and methods that the United States, CIA,
Starting point is 00:28:00 FBI have used that are pretty unethical, probably illegal, if you look at international law. I mean, hell, they tried to poison Fidel Castro, I think, something on his jacket. Oh, over and over again. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:15 I mean, the United States, for all its moral preening and lecturing about other countries, we've done, and do some terrible, terrible shit around the world. So there could be things in those documents that expose, you know, things that we tried to do to Russia or Cuba or coups we attempted in other countries or things, techniques we're still using. We have done disinformation campaigns in other countries.
Starting point is 00:28:48 We've infiltrated, you know, spies to. you know, so discourse. We've unleashed people to commit violent acts in other countries and then pin it on an opposition group we don't like. So America has done some awful stuff, and my strong guess is there's stuff in those documents that might expose some of those sources and methods, and that's the real reason those things have been classified. The class, that's Jefferson Morley at JFK files, has talked extensively about this. so have other JFK scholars. The classification system in America is widely abused and many, many things should not be classified. They're not classified for national defense.
Starting point is 00:29:32 They're classified for, you know, protecting arrest. Yeah, so two things. Well, one is if it specifically had to do, if those documents specifically had to do with the JFK assassinations, And it's clearly said that, you know, that LBJ, you know, talk to so-and-so and he contacts. Hungry now. Now. What about now? Whenever it hits you, wherever you are, grab an O. Henry bar to satisfy your hunger.
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Starting point is 00:30:39 I would think that those documents just don't exist. You just have to go through full-time job. Your full-time job for the next five years is to find every single document that might place any of these people in that chain of custody that ended up with this guy dead in any way. And they just spend the next five years erasing, or, let's say, LBJ, the next, you know, the next, his full term. Your full-time job, bro, is just going through these files and erasing them. So that's one thing.
Starting point is 00:31:07 So I don't really know that those, I'd love to think that they did exist. I just think that nobody would be dumb enough to leave those documents circulating. Anyway, that's one thing. The other thing is the classification thing, it's funny, I was talking to a guy about Epstein the other day and he said, and he's a, he wrote a, he wrote a, this guy wrote a book like several years ago about Epstein and, you know, the, you know, the list, the client list, you know, which there's no real list. But he was talking about how he's after, is that Maxine, I forget her last name, or Maxillade Maxwell. Thank you, Galane Maxwell, that he was talking about how, he said, after her case, like the FBI, or whoever it was, came out and said, the case is closed, we won't be prosecuting anyone else, it's done, closed. He said, I then ordered a Freedom of Information Act, and he said, six months later, I got something back saying, we can't give you in the files because the case is ongoing. it's still it's still open he's like the FBI director just said like the like he's like named all
Starting point is 00:32:19 these people who said cases closed no more prosecutions were done he's like said you know he's like six I weighs six more months thinking maybe they're wrapping it up did another one took another six months he said got it back again boom sorry it's still open we can't give you any information like come on man like or the other I love the other one is it has to do with national oh then the other one he said it's been denied his freedom of information act was denied because or certain documents were denied because of of a national security reasons right what national security reasons are there to deny me access to a guy who's like if you're saying that's national security then there's a bigger problem here than some rich guy that likes young girls the politicians
Starting point is 00:33:05 involved with him that's that's the national security right but there's no they're They don't release anything, national security. So, yeah, people just don't ask questions and people just shrug it off and they don't look into it. And they don't push the, they don't push the, you know, push it to the point where people have to answer questions. Well, that's the thing. That's the thing also about this. I mean, I guess there's really no way to know. I mean, if every single document is released, then the next question is, how do we know this is all the documents?
Starting point is 00:33:36 What was destroyed? Were there things destroyed? Because the people who probably destroyed them are dead. So I don't know how solid the chain of custody has been here because if you think about it, if there's actually a document that has Lyndid B. Johnson in writing or something incriminating, I don't think it's too far-fetched to think
Starting point is 00:33:59 certain people would have gotten rid of that document. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. There's some guy out there who's gone through and just, what did Stalin call it, when they would redact, they remove someone. Remember, he'd be upset with somebody. He'd have him executed and then he'd go and, oh, it was like a purge.
Starting point is 00:34:17 They'd go through and they'd actually find any official photographs or anything and scratch the person's face out or they would, they'd eliminate their names from every, like the guy never existed. He'd been purged from the records. So, yeah, we'll see. I'd love to, I'd love to believe that we're going to get to see some stuff. You know what's going to be horrible is that if this does come out, it'll just destroy the next few weeks of YouTube for me. It'll be great for your channel because it'll be all news.
Starting point is 00:34:46 But my channel will be destroyed. Every time Trump comes out and starts talking, nobody watches YouTube. Like for me, unless you're a news channel, sure, you might get it because you can come out with the videos talking about what's going on and boom, you get flooded. but for me, every time this guy signs a new executive order, my numbers go down. Every time he gets elected, numbers go down. He's inaugurated. And every time this has happened, the buildup up to him being up to the election, that people watch more and more politics.
Starting point is 00:35:22 And so my numbers start going down. And then as soon that he's elected, and I thought, okay, fine, he's elected. It'll go back up. And it goes up a little bit, but then people start screaming and hollering about what's he got to do. and the numbers go back down. And then he gets in the inauguration. I'm like, okay, well, he's in there now. We'll have a few months while he gets kind of acclimated to the environment, right?
Starting point is 00:35:41 Like he has to kind of settle in. And no, immediately starts signing executive orders. And the numbers go down. I mean, I've just, I miss Sleepy Joe Biden, bro. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're having trouble falling asleep, you're waking up sweating in the middle of night or all of the above. That's where a ghost bed can help.
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Starting point is 00:37:08 I can't think of a bigger true crime story if Lyndon B. Johnson or, you know, some cabal of CIA mafia were involved. I mean, I would hope I would hope that takes that that's like pain for your channel. This video, this is all I got. It's all I got. I'd have to immediately get some JFK guys on here. I'd start with Jefferson Morley. He's great. And he was actually, interestingly enough, with the Washington Post. So he was like a mainstream media reporter.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Right. I don't want to speak for him. But my understanding of his exodus was they just didn't want him to cover it anymore. And he like, yeah, I think this is a big story still, the, you know, possible assassination. So he just left because the mainstream media that was employing him wouldn't really let him. have that as his beat. But yeah, we'll see. I mean, I'm happy to have egg on my face. It's Trump. So most of the stuff that comes out tends to be inflated like a hot air balloon. And then it's not what he says it is. But if it is, I think, yeah. So do you want to, you want to start with Luigi? Yeah, whatever you want.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Yeah. Let's let's start with, do you want to, would you mind doing a kind of a recap on? I can't imagine anybody doesn't know who he is. But can you, you know what I'm saying? Can you, is there any way you could give a five-minute recap or 10 or whatever you think it? Yeah, Luigi Madjone, you know, is your kind of, uh, cardboard cutout, um, affluent, uh, affluent, uh, affluent kid. He is from one of the wealthiest, uh, neighborhoods in Washington, you know, D.C. area, uh, his family is one of the wealthier families in Maryland. And in December, after a two-week, manhunt following the
Starting point is 00:39:06 murder of United Health Care's CEO, he was arrested in Pennsylvania and charged with the murder of Brian Thompson. And since then, it's been kind of this really Robin Hood type explosion of support for him, definitely from younger people. I definitely see a generational aspect to this, but I've also come across a lot of, you know, boomers and just, you know, normy, older people that are at the very least saying they support his, you know, need for a fair trial and discussing that they're not exactly in support of him, but also aren't crying tears of, of for the, you know, insurance CEO that was killed. So he's really unleashed through his alleged actions.
Starting point is 00:40:03 We'll say allege because he's innocent until proving guilty. He's unleashed kind of really what was lying there out in the open outrage at what I believe is a predatory for-profit, fraudulent health insurance system in America. and in all the stories I've covered and I've been doing particularly investigative on the ground journalism for over a decade, I really haven't come across anything that like the left and the right in this just divisive, everybody hates everybody America right now, the left and the right, I've seen it both ways of folks lauding him, supporting him, donating to him, and basically just, just, verbally castigating the insurance industry. So it's really an interesting case because obviously you have the murder, but you also have capitalism, really, on trial here. So what is the theory for his motive?
Starting point is 00:41:10 I mean, you know, like I've heard several theories. So I'm wondering, what do you know more about this than I do? What is the main theory? I mean, if he's. from a wealthy family, then I'm not, I'm not understanding. It's not like is it, I mean, I've heard that was it his mother or somebody was denied coverage or something like that or someone is someone close to him was denied coverage and he's upset about it. Like I don't, that's one theory. That's the main theory that I had heard. Is that true? So there is a lot of theories, but there's enough reporting that is out there that Luigi as early as like, his college age. So he's in his 20s now, but we're talking, you know, late teens, perhaps early 20s, was suffering with this really debilitating back injury. It's known as spondi lola thesis. I'm probably mispronouncing it. But I've had two back surgeries. Not for that,
Starting point is 00:42:12 but I've had back issues. And it could really mess with your mind in addition to the physical pain. So he was dealing with severe spinal issues. There's been reports that he went to several doctors to try to get approval for a spinal fusion, which is where they fuse your vertebraes, but doctors had said he was too young. So I could only speculate if that was what, you know, kind of radicalized him against health insurance companies. But from everything I've researched and, you know, what has gone on, it's not necessarily that his hatred, was specifically for the health insurance industry. It seems that he had kind of along the Ted Kaczynski realm of kind of antipy, antithy and hatred towards technology. He had praised Ted Kaczynski's manifesto, not his actions. He said Ted Kaczynski should have been charged and put in prison, but he praised his manifesto. Kaczynski's warnings about how technology was so dangerous and kind of taking over all of our
Starting point is 00:43:29 agency. Manjone had used the word. It's removing our agency and our decision-making process. So it seems that through also his alleged notes, again, I say alleged because it hasn't been proven it's his, but police found notes on him that kind of talked about you whack the quote, you whack the CEO at the annual parasitic bean counter
Starting point is 00:43:58 convention. And he talked about how, you know, insurance checks all the boxes. So it's not clear if it was specifically he had issues with denials and such,
Starting point is 00:44:13 which you wouldn't think for him would be such an issue because his family could obviously afford it. It seems that he had just a distaste, borderline hatred of the capitalist system, how technology was being merged with the capitalist system, and he also, in online post, people found his Goodreads account, which is, you know, books you've read, and a lot of it was about, you know, distaste for capitalism and how technology is, you know, taking over, et cetera. So a lot of it, I'm assuming,
Starting point is 00:44:48 will come out in court, but it seems that he chose health insurance, specifically not because he was personally denied, but because health insurance kind of represented all of it, capitalism, technology, and United Healthcare in specific, was using artificial intelligence to deny more patients' claims at a 90% error rate. So Brian Thompson, who was killed, when he was CEO, he kind of accelerated their deployment. employment of AI, which was basically denying claims almost immediately and most of the times wrongly denying claims. Did you ever read the book, The Rainmaker by John Grisham?
Starting point is 00:45:38 Remember the CEO or the insurance company's scheme? Yes. So that makes me think of that. And by the way, what you just said about him, that is not one of the theories I had heard. They, I didn't know that. I didn't know he had back problems at all. Yeah, that's something that kind of came out. Uh, you know, that's why it doesn't seem just from his status and life super wealthy.
Starting point is 00:46:03 I mean, it's plenty of wealthy people who care about, you know, the masses and the, uh, downtrodden. But you would think even if he was personally denied or people he loved were denied, they could pay out of pocket for whatever they needed. So that's why based on the Reddit posts, because there was a lot of posts from him, you know, alleged because it hasn't been validated, but enough sources have stated these were his posts. Also, there's a journalist in the UK who spoke with him like six months before the murder who said that his complaints a lot. He complained about technology, technology. And it came out that he had praised Kaczynski. So it does seem like he had an overall. disdain for capitalism, how technology is kind of bleeding into technology, he felt that people were kind of becoming zombies to technology. Why he chose United Health Care, according to United Health Care, he didn't have health insurance through them. But he did state in the alleged manifesto, because there is an alleged manifesto, it hasn't been proven it's him or that he wrote it,
Starting point is 00:47:12 but he did point out the United Health Care is the biggest health insurance. company. So if he chose health insurance, it makes sense he would target United Health Care. Yeah, the Ted Kaczynski thing is, is super interesting. I mean, I've watched four or five documentaries on him, but yeah, the, the, or, you know, whatever, the Unabomber, you know, that he, that his manifesto, well, his manifesto is really what caught him, too. He's living out there in his cabin in the woods, you know, and, uh, so I guess, It was his father, or no, it's his brother's wife that kind of recognized the manifesto. Then when they printed it and then his brother looked at it and she showed it to him and said,
Starting point is 00:47:57 you need to read this. He read it and was like, yeah, it definitely sounds like him. And then they found phrases and then they ended up contacting the FBI. Yeah. Ultimately, because he was bombing. He was bombing. He was bombing just corporations in general. But I think that he got the unibomber because of the, what, United was it, what the United Airlines that he bombed?
Starting point is 00:48:16 It wasn't just airlines, was it? Right. It was other, it was other types of large organizations. But he, yeah, he, I, I had never understood that the, him just, the complete disdain. Like, without technology, what do you think is going to happen? I mean, I understand he wanted to kind of revert back to just a, you know, a pre-industrial revolution way of life. But that's not going to happen. Like, you think you're smart enough.
Starting point is 00:48:45 The guy had a, didn't he have like a degree? agree from MIT or something? I mean, he was like, I was brilliant. Like, you're a genius. And, you know, it's ridiculous. Like, that's not going to happen. Like, dedicate your life to something else if you're trying to be an advocate for something.
Starting point is 00:48:57 I mean, that's just, and then you're blowing people up. Like, it's ridiculous. The interesting thing about Manjone and this, I believe, it's a very dangerous, slippery slope that they've charged it with terrorism, uh, is in his notes, again, alleged notes, I mean, he pointed out that he, he chose to do it this way. You know, he zeroed in on the Investors Conference, but he didn't want to actually, you know, do anything big like a bomb or anything like that because he didn't want to kill innocence.
Starting point is 00:49:33 So he deemed the United Healthcare CEO not an innocent by default, but he didn't want to do a bombing or anything like that because he didn't want to kill anyone that he deemed. innocent, I don't know many terrorists. No. Usually terrorists want to kill as many people as possible. So I think that them tacking on terrorism
Starting point is 00:49:56 charges in the broader scope, because terrorism charges have been used in other ways in America in the last few years that are very alarming is very unsettling. So what's happening with this case
Starting point is 00:50:12 right now? What's going on right now with the I mean, they, they hunted him down, right? They follow all the, uh, all the, uh, CTV footage of right after the crime. And they got the, the, the video from the hotel where he shot, um, the CEO directly in front of the interest to this hotel right across the street from this banquet or, you know, whatever they were having. Well, I guess not a banquet. What would you call it? Like a, um, a convention or whatever.
Starting point is 00:50:44 So he shoots them. Did they find the gun? Yeah. Okay. Interestingly enough, that's part of the contention right now. Some might call it, you know, his lawyer is just throwing spaghetti at a wall, which lawyers you have to do. Particularly if there's a solid case against your client, but his Pennsylvania attorney, so they're kind of taking it from all ends. He's charged in Pennsylvania where he was arrested, but he's also charged.
Starting point is 00:51:14 in New York both on the state level, the state of New York is criminally charging him and a federal case against him. So there's three different cases. And the Pennsylvania attorney where he was originally prosecuted, arrested, has filed two pretty significant motions essentially saying that his arrest was illegal, the way the cops approached him, that they didn't, that they had illegally detained him without reading his Miranda rights. and therefore anything he said and any, you know, so-called evidence they seized before reading his Miranda rights couldn't be used. That's what they're claiming. And as they search his backpack, they didn't have a warrant to search his backpack at the time. And they hadn't read him his Miranda rights yet. They did find a 9mm with a silencer, some 3D printing kind of stuff because he had 3D printed a gun and other stuff in his backpack. So I don't know if that's going to work for him in Pennsylvania, but, you know, according to his lawyer, if he could prove it, they had gone, they had essentially held him in what's called a custodial interrogation, which basically means that you're detaining him in a way that there was no way for him to leave, which means you're in, you're being detained. And they didn't read him as Miranda rights. So if they're successful there, technically it could have his charges disposed to.
Starting point is 00:52:43 Pennsylvania, but that doesn't mean it, that would have the same effect in New York because there's two different states. You're going by two different states' constitutions and laws. But basically the Pennsylvania case right now, there's motions going on by his attorney and now the prosecutors have a chance to respond. You would think that the attorney, unless he's just making stuff up, which I doubt he's just making stuff up, there was at least eight to ten police at the McDonald's where they arrested. So you have to review body cameras. I don't know if all the police had their body cameras on
Starting point is 00:53:19 because a lot of times they don't. So right, that's where it is in Pennsylvania. Just today, actually, the federal case against him, there was supposed to be a follow-up hearing in two days from our discussion now, but that was now punted, delayed for another month. Federally, he's been charged. There's charges against him,
Starting point is 00:53:39 but there has not been a grand jury indictment against him, yet federally. So I don't know. I'm not a lawyer, but the fact that it's being delayed now another month is suspicious to me. They say that both the prosecution and his lawyers in New York have both agreed to this delay. It makes sense why his lawyers would agree, Manjone's lawyers would agree, gives you more time to prepare. According to his lawyers, they have not had all of the discovery provided to them yet. I find it fishy that the prosecution would agree if they have him dead to rights, if they have all this evidence against him, why hasn't there been a federal indictment yet against him? There's been charges, but a grand jury
Starting point is 00:54:22 hasn't returned an indictment. And you would think you want to proceed to trial as soon as you can federally if you have this guy dead to rights. So federally, that case is now delayed. The next court hearing will be, it was supposed to be this week. Now it's moved to mid-April. And the state of New York case, he's had two hearings so far. That is expected to be the first one to go to trial, the state of New York versus him. So basically right now it's a holding pattern and he's got a Pennsylvania attorney and a New York attorney. And presumably they have to work together even unofficially because if he's successful in New York, excuse me, if he's successful in Pennsylvania with getting some of the evidence suppressed because they didn't read his Miranda rights,
Starting point is 00:55:11 And the New York lawyers are obviously going to try to do the same thing. If they get that evidence thrown out, like, I mean, right now he was, he was IDed by what, a McDonald's employee? I don't know if there was a customer. I think it was a customer who called the police saying that this guy looks like, you know, the wanted sign that was going around. So if he gets it thrown out, gets that evidence thrown out, I wonder, what do you think the, like, what? What do you think the fallout from that is? I mean, it's not like they're going to drop the charges, right? Like they're...
Starting point is 00:55:47 To me, again, I'm not a lawyer, but, you know, as much as I've covered this, to me, I think the actual, his best chance of walking is not actually evidence being dismissed or this and that. It's something called jury nullification, which think like, think of like the OJ case. Nobody just hasn't heard of this. Right. So O.J. several jurors came out, you know, years later and said, yeah, we thought he did the crime, but whatever. This was payback for Rodney King, talking about the Rodney King riots. So that's basically known as jury nullification where technically, you know, jurors can think a defendant committed the crime, but for whatever moral or whatever reasons they have could say innocent. And all it takes is one. You know, so there has been cases where a jury has voted against the judge's instructions and the clear-cut law, and there's been pretty, you know, heavy-duty criminal defense attorneys who've gone on national television saying they think this could be a case like that because they have not seen in like, we're talking lawyers that have been doing this for 20, 30 years, they haven't seen this kind of fanfare for an alleged murderer. And the media has framed it as like, oh, it's all young girls because they think he's good looking. I've covered three protests, rallies outside the courthouse as he's in hearings.
Starting point is 00:57:20 It's not all young, you know, fan girls. There's a lot of folks out there that are just health care advocates, health care horror stories. They might not be saying, they might not be outright condoning murder, but they think he should be found innocent. So to me, you've got to get 12 jurors all to agree. And I don't know 12 people anywhere that don't have some type of negative experience dealing with health insurance companies. And it seems, we don't know for sure, it does seem that his defense at this point is not going to deny he did it, but kind of put the for-profit health insurance industry on trial. So I think that there is a chance of a mistrial or, you know, some type of jury nullification because, you know, if you've ever watched Law and Order, which we all have seen some type of show like that, a lot of times jury selection is like this big battle. This is going to be jury selection could go on for two weeks because the prosecution is probably going to try to avoid anyone under 40 on that jury.
Starting point is 00:58:28 Polls have shown people have been polled about Luigi Manjone. Polls show, particularly college age kids, young people at least have sympathy or empathy towards him. Older generation, not as much. So the prosecutors are probably not going to want young people on there. But even if it's all people in their 40s, I mean, anyone could pretend to be neutral and unbiased, but really have an axe to grind against United Health and others. And that's what has come out. It's not just about Luigi Mangoni, but there's been a lot of horror stories out there about how United Health,
Starting point is 00:59:02 you know, alleged fraud against elderly people on Medicare Advantage, using AI unethically, not just United Health, others. So I don't know if necessarily his window to freedom would be through suppression of evidence. I think it would just be from like, you got to get 12 humans to agree. Right. Yeah. I was just thinking about the jury. And I wonder if the judge, I wonder how much of that type of information on the insurance company, the judge will allow the jury to see. Because sometimes you'll, you know, sometimes defense will come forward and they'll say, well, this is our, here's the theory of our case. Here's, you know, here's the, here's the path we're going to lay out.
Starting point is 00:59:57 And sometimes the judge will be like, yeah, you're not going to, you're not going to do that. You're not going to, you know, they'll limit the amount. of information or witnesses and they'll start crafting or shaping the narrative by eliminating what the what the defense can can show the jury so but you know to me if I mean I don't know and first of all the prosecution's not picking the jury anyway you know it you know in the end they both have strikes they both you know during voir dire they're going to figure out hopefully a decent mix of the jury members, which might be a real problem for the prosecution because, like you said,
Starting point is 01:00:37 you only need one or two of these guys, right, to be like, yeah, after listening to all of the horrible things that this insurance company has done to people, I can't, I'm not going to convict this guy. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah,
Starting point is 01:00:49 that's very possible. Did you see the movie? Sorry, this is the second time I'm mentioning a movie. But did you, and he's not even the movie. This is, the book first. So I don't want you to think it's just the movie. Okay. So I read,
Starting point is 01:01:03 did you ever read the book, The Runaway Jury by John Gresham? Was that with Gene Hackman? A movie was, yes, but in the book, it's, it's about a couple that kind of stalk tobacco, um, tobacco cases, right? Where the tobacco company is being sued by people that have gotten, you know, by people who have gotten cancer as a result of smoking since they were whatever. And so they kind of stalked around the country trying to get the one guy, his name is Nicholas Easter, onto the jury so that he can sway the jury his way. Now, in the book, the big bad company is a tobacco company, right? And there's a group of tobacco companies and they're all working together to try. and sway the jury. They hire jury consultants. In the movie, it's the, it's a gun company and it's
Starting point is 01:02:04 like the gun lobbyists or the gun companies they get together and they hire Gene Hackman, who probably is a consultant. And of course, it's super corrupt and it's a whole thing. It's a, it's, but here's what, what's great about it is they show you kind of how they stalk the jury, how they, they gather evidence and then how ultimately they try. and get dirt on the jury. And now, of course, this is, this is fiction, okay? This, you know, that this is an extreme example. Because the main guy that Gene Hatman plays in the movie is called Finch.
Starting point is 01:02:38 He's a jury consultant that's extremely corrupt. And he tries to get dirt on as many of these jurors as possible, going so far as to setting up fake, like FBI busts where this woman on the jury thinks her husband is about to be in, who is potentially going to be indict. by the government for a real estate fraud. Like, they set him up. It's all fake. There's no FBI.
Starting point is 01:03:02 It's all played by these private investigators, like a complete set, but that way they're trying to get her to vote their way. Listen, they've got all kinds of schemes. But it's great because it really shows you the process of the strikes of how they stalk them. They build kind of case studies on them, how they determine who's going to vote which way. as opposed to the other way. It's a great movie.
Starting point is 01:03:32 I mean, it's a good movie if you haven't read the book. If you read the book, it's not a great movie. The book is phenomenal. But it really lets you know just how dirty these things can get. But, yeah, it's the runaway jury. Yeah. And I think also the other component is the New York District Attorney, as I said before, slapped on terrorism charges, and I actually think that works against them, A, because it's a very
Starting point is 01:04:05 unusual use of terrorism. I mean, typically in New York terrorism, I mean, that's for people who, like, are serial killers or first-degree murder, too. Serial killers or people who kill cops, not like single targeted murder. But even criminal defense attorneys have said that, they feel that's an overreach. So I do think that people feel and I've interviewed folks who say, oh, you know, they're slapping on terrorism because it was a, you know, health insurance CEO and they want to make an example. So I think that kind of turns potential jurors also against the prosecution because they think, you know, a health insurance executive for an industry people already have disdain against is getting some preferential treatment. I mean, they didn't even charge the guy who killed nine black people at that church in South Carolina years ago with terrorism. So essentially, I think the overcharging here could backfire because if you just kind of charged him with straight second degree murder, I mean, if they could prove it was him, it's pretty clear cut.
Starting point is 01:05:20 Well, you know, that that tends to backfire. The reason, I mean, I'm just, I'm just clarifying. I know you know this. But the reason that backfires is that if you have somebody where you say, hey, like, take, I'm going to say Casey Anthony because I think, was it the Casey Anthony case where they, they kind of like they had charged her with first degree murder and then they also charged her with manslaughter. But then I think they dropped the manslaughter, something along those lines. It was one of these cases where they draw, I'm not sure it was her case, but where they draw at the last minute, they drop. They felt like they'd made their case and they dropped the manslaughter. And so what they're hoping for is the prosecution's like we're only giving, we feel like we made our case or we can make her case, that this person's guilty.
Starting point is 01:06:08 We're only giving the jury the choice of first degree murder, which means it's premeditated. This person went there specifically to murder this person. And then they'll drop like manslaughter. And the problem with, I want to say it's Katie Anthony, I could be wrong, but a lot of times what happens is the jury gets in there and then they say, okay, I think this person is guilty, but we only have first degree murder. And I don't think they're guilty of first degree murder. I would find her guilty of manslaughter because I think that it was a rash decision or it was a decision that this person made that ended up and the result. of that ended up as someone dying, and that's manslaughter, but we're only being given the one choice of first-degree murder. And I don't believe that this person premeditated this murder,
Starting point is 01:07:04 which means they got a weapon, they lied in wait for the person. They had plenty of time to change their mind. They traveled to, for the specific intent. Like, there are all these things that it doesn't apply here. And then they find that person not guilty. And people are like, oh, the jury's horrible. Yeah, but they would have found this person guilty. had it been manslaughter, but you took manslaughter off. And so by saying something like, oh, terrorism, well, this guy didn't make a bomb and throw it into a crowd or try and kill 40 people, 40 indiscriminate people, you know, to show some kind of a, you know, a political, put out a political message or anything. This person specifically went and it's first degree murder, but it's not, I don't see it as terrorism. I see it as first degree murder.
Starting point is 01:07:51 You got a gun. You travel to go there. you waited for this person, you stalked them, you killed them. That's first-degree murder all day long. Right. And again, in his alleged notes, I say alleged because I don't know, it's, quote, what he said about targeting the health care exec, it's targeted, precise, and doesn't risk innocence. I mean, it doesn't really sound like wanting to, you know, terrorize a community and this
Starting point is 01:08:18 and that. So, yeah. Yeah, it's not indiscriminate enough. So, okay. So, yeah, I guess we'll see it. It'll certainly be, you know, you talk about movies that, you know, based around high-profile trials, I think this is going to be significant. Obviously, right now in America, the media is, you know, on 24-7 Trump watch. But I think if when this goes to trial, it will definitely be a big, big case because it's not, it's about many different.
Starting point is 01:08:53 things, you know, healthcare industry, capitalism. You also have, I mean, hell, the New York governor was talking about after this happening, creating a special hotline for corporate CEOs to call in when they deem a threat. So there's a lot of cascading things here. And people were pissed about that too. Because, hey, can you create a hotline for like average people to call in if they're feeling threatened. Corporate CEOs are going to get their own special hotline. So I think this will be a major trial. And, you know, the media, for the most part, has wanted to just focus on Luigi
Starting point is 01:09:31 Manjone, very black and white. But I think this fortunately has brought out that unlike most countries that are far less wealthy than us, we have this very convoluted system with two, three, four different middlemen's to get care. and frankly, if you don't have enough money and catastrophe happens, you're kind of SOL. I've covered and interviewed so many people that didn't go to the hospital, didn't get treatment because they couldn't afford it. And that might not kill you right away, but it will eventually, you know, a misdiagnosis or a delayed diagnosis or you didn't get that MRI and later you got the cancer. So I think a lot of people are saying, hey, we're not saying go get your seat.
Starting point is 01:10:19 your guns and shoot down CEOs, but maybe we should focus on the systematic murder happening every day, which is healthcare being a commodity and having to have enough money to attain it. Right. Yeah, I mean, it can be extremely frustrating, you know, I mean, just there's all kinds little things. Like, I actually hire, or actually, we got health coverage because our doctors were covered they were in the in the the package it was like oh perfect and then like two months later two three months later i go to the doctor i get there i see the doctor and they say you'll 180 and i'm like no no no i'm covered in my health oh yeah yeah no they they they're no longer we're no longer taking them look well i specifically got them and got you and did this because
Starting point is 01:11:11 like you could have told me before i went and saw the doctor You know, and so then I change doctors and I get there and I'm being told that I'm completely covered and you get in there and it's like, oh, well, we're not sure if you're covered or not, even though they were also on the thing. Then I pay. Then I find out they are. I am covered. And out of the $190 that I paid for that, I get a check back for $50. Or I go to get, I mean, this is happening to me all the time. And I have good insurance. I'm constantly like paying and then applying and being told that was a mistake. And then they mail me back like 50. bucks. That's not that's not the 190 I just paid. Right. And you probably spent like two, three hours on the phone and bounced around. Yeah. My fear is, is, you know, that, you know, I need an actual, I have cancer and I need actual treatment. They're like, oh, we'll cover like 70% of it. Well, this $400,000. I don't have the 30%. Exactly. So, and there's really just nothing you can, there's no insurance that's really going to help you that much. They all have these full outs. So real quick. The American flag behind it, what is the, you got the McDonald's, you have Verizon. So I wish, I wish I created this flag because I would have trademarked it and made a hell of a lot of money.
Starting point is 01:12:27 This is the United Corporations of America flag because I've been saying for years, we are living in the United Corporations of America, buy for the billionaires. but it's a different company that made it. But it's self-explanatory. You got all the corporations. I'm working on devising my own that will be upside down, which is the distress signal for sales. But yeah, I mean, I don't care if you're left or right. If you have eyes, you could see our country is based on a system of legalized bribery.
Starting point is 01:13:05 Both sides are getting purchased. I mean, Trump, even if you like him, he can't. Mr. Musk gave him almost 300, million dollars and now Mr. Musk has the keys to the government. So you do the math. So if people think you're still being represented by public servants, I have sad news for you. So that's what that flag's about. But yeah, that's made by another company. And I asked the company, hey, I have all my audience asking me, where do I get that flag? And I'm sending them to you. Maybe he could give me a little cut. I'm not asking for a lot. And they kindly told me to piss off. So yeah. But
Starting point is 01:13:42 If you want, it's just Google corporate flag of America. You'll find it. Yeah, you got to come up with your own, put it on there, and then just have a link, boom, straight to your Etsy account or something. Yeah, for sure. All right. Listen, I appreciate it. Unless you have anything, you have anything else?
Starting point is 01:13:58 I mean, we got your book. We didn't even talk about your book. Yeah, We The Poisoned, exposing the Flint Water cover up. Fingers crossed some in talks to hopefully turn it into a movie. That's another cover up. Maybe not as big as JFK, but... Well, I did a documentary, right? Yeah, Flint Fatigue.
Starting point is 01:14:16 You could watch that. Flint Fatigue.com. That's another, and you were nice enough to have me on about the book, but that's another example. We have community after community, you know, whether it's water, air, soil. We have mass poisonings going on in America that the media just ignores. A lot of people sick still in Flint from the last. lead and bacteria and that's been swept under the rug. So yeah, my book
Starting point is 01:14:43 is, We the Poisoned exposing the Flint water cover up. And my YouTube channel is status coup, C-O-U-P. Plus, we got like over 200,000, we got over 200,000 views on it. Yeah, that was great.
Starting point is 01:15:01 Yeah. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching the video. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified videos just like this. Also, I'm going to put Jordan's link in the description box to his YouTube channel, his social media, and also his book, which you should see the video right here. You can click on it and go watch that video. You can go in the description.
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