Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Rikers Prison Guard Fired ILLEGALLY!? Massive Lawsuit Hits NYC

Episode Date: April 12, 2025

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if I live long. I'm not to work until I die. Right. And I needed some kind of pension or something. And so I ran into some guy or some correction officers, and they're telling me all the money they're making and that there's no wage limit. And I'm like, you serious? How old were you? 44. Really? Yeah. And everything they said checked off. And I applied and here I am.

So did you have to go to like a school or something? No, no, no. I mean, they hire you. They just show up the day. They give you a badge? No, no. You have to take a test. Okay.

You have to pass a background track. Drug tests. They physically check you to see. You have to do some physical stuff, which is all relatively easy. They go through your phone You have to get naked in front of them To make sure that you're not coming in pre-injured With injuries that you're not disclosing

And that Then they give you a starting date on the start of the academy Yeah, that's what I meant, the academy It's like you have to go, yeah, you have to go That's training Yeah, this is the pre-hire stuff that I was just talking about Right And then the academy is five and a half months long for us

fuck you get paid yeah yeah okay you get paid okay um yeah you get paid i mean they they they beat the hell out of you demean you in the beginning teach you a lot of rules and regulations i mean there is so much stuff there that that people don't realize how much trouble we can get us as officers can get in for not even turn the blind night or some stuff right yeah cell doors don't work over there it's insane they don't tell you that in the academy right and over a sudden like hey matthew cox just got jumped in in his cell what the hell's going on oh nick it's your fault you know you uh cell doors weren't secured oh tag you're it suspension okay so you better when you're in that academy you better pay attention to one especially the rules and regs part

the physical stuff is whatever it's physical right how so you once you graduate the academy do you I mean, they don't just throw you into a unit. Yes, they do. You don't have like somebody that watches you for a little bit? No, part of the academy, at least in mind, now they've trimmed it down. In my academy, we had four weeks of what's called OJT on-the-job training. And so that's when they sort of throw you to the walls, but not completely because they'll put you in the housing area where you get the nice guys, the compliant guys. So someone like yourself, who's non-violent.

somebody's not going to throw feces on you. Right. Yeah, exactly. So they're going to be all polite and stuff. And I remember my first day, I'm like, I called my girlfriend when I got out of there. I'm like, oh, sweetie, the media, they are, they are, Trump is right. They are fake news. They make Rikers Island seem like, like this place is full of animals.

Right. Well, because day one, I'm there with the guys who are scammers. So everybody's polite, well-groom. No one's cursing at you, throwing feces, nothing like that. And I'm like, what's going on here? This is not the right because island. This is not the job that I signed up for. I'll take it.

Yeah. But boy, oh boy, the media made it sound like this place was a zoo. It wasn't. Eh, reality check. How long until you get to one of those units? Day two. They do. But even there, they don't say you to like the high classification guys.

Because you just don't have the training and the experience to go out there. or even know what the hell you're doing to deal with those guys and they know those guys are savages and sharks they could smell the newness in you and they'll take advantage of you immediately

I mean like blood in the water I mean you know that it is yeah yeah they could tell with the shiny shoes the new belt the shield actually no at the academy we didn't have the shields yet

but a lack of a shield they're like oh it's like a substitute teacher hey fellas party is on. So, so what, what, what, what, how long, how long, how long, I was there? I mean, how long? I was there for three and a half years before I was, uh, uh, illegally, medically terminated. You ever read a headline and think, wait, that's not what I read earlier, or hear a story

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Cities, all they're doing is just delaying, delaying, delaying. Because my foot's on their throats. Right. And there's no way that you get out of it. And I can't wait until somebody takes a stand right there in front of a jury and faces me and my attorney on what happened there. What do you want to? Ask me anything you want to know. Ask me anything.

What happened? Well, I was... You're working there. Yeah, I'm working there. Everything's fine. I'm breaking up a fight. This is during COVID. So now we have a severe...

staffing shortage. We have staffing shortages constantly because of gross mismanagement of nepotism all over that's flooded like cancer throughout the department. But on top of that combined that with COVID where we were the epicenter of COVID-19 in New York City. We were letting guys go because of the COVID-19 because you're high risk. Oh, you're 50 years old? As long as you're not in there for murder, all right, something less, a little less. or we'll let him go because he's high risk. Right. Yeah.

Well, they were doing that in the federal system too. They let thousands and thousands of inmates go. Yeah, they just sent him home on an ankle monitor. Like, you're not, you're not, you're over 50 years old and you have diabetes or something or, you know, you're breathing issues or whatever it is, you know, and you're high risk and you've got 10 years left to go. Fuck it. Send them home.

Yeah. I don't know the numbers because obviously I didn't have access to that information, but they were doing basically the same thing. Right. So I'm breaking up this fight. Surprisingly, it's a one-on-one by themselves. Bare knuckles.

Nobody's helping. I mean, nobody's jumping in. It was passionate. Personally, I think that they were former lovers or something. Right. Okay. No, I do because it wasn't just like typically a fight is me and you.

We fight over a bag of potato chips or the TV or phone time or something. You know, boom, boom, boom. No, these two wanted to keep going This whole fight lasted 32 minutes That's insane A three minute fight is a long time Right, 32 minutes I sprayed him

And one party, one of the persons The bigger guy He was like a boxer The way he moved and everything And even when the other one would try to spit He was so fast He was dodging this even to spit And I'm like, oh shit

And he And he's He got the what the department calls of desired results of the pepper spray? Right, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So he screamed and hit the ground. He screamed and hit the ground and ran to his buddies on the back end of the tier. But the other one was part of LGBT community transitioning. So I think that that's the one that when I sprayed him or her,

whatever you want to call, had no effect. None. Are the LGPRAs? LGBTQ, are they immune? No, no, I don't know if it's like the hormones or the shots or even maybe what drugs they were taking, totally immune. I mean, the eyes did not even get red.

I see you spraying this guy and he's like, you know, with water, like, like, yeah. No, no, no, no. The other one gave me nothing but headaches. Mind you, this person was hanging out with me for like an hour just talking, talking to me by my desk. After or before? No, before. Okay.

you know it's just just a regular conversation from the Bronx and if a triple murder yeah okay yeah tell me a little about the details of of the case and I'm like oh geez you know get comfortable it sounds like both those people had it coming right they disrespected me I found no it wasn't even like no no I don't want to get too much details of it because I know the people from the city are going to be watching I don't want to affect that person's case right okay you know what I'm saying I'm not I'm not here for that so so what happened so you you sprayed the one guy he's loving it I mean the one guy runs off he takes off the other guy is totally immune totally immune and I have a foreign last name right so a lot of people felt like they would disrespect me if they mispronounce it even though I told him how to say which is fine I dealt with all my life so it's not news to me that someone miss spells or mispronounces my name so everybody gg even my captains and wardens everybody g g g g g It's like, yo, gee, get the fuck out the way. I don't want to hurt you.

This person, one-on-one, can't hurt me unless they get me from behind or something, you know? I'm like, listen, I'm not letting you guys keep fighting. Right. My job is to break this up. There's no way. If you got to run through me, boom, boom, boom. Did it several times.

I'm pushing her away. And there's a jail, there's a, door that devised the tier. And I didn't even know that there was a chain on it. Like, it's actually chained open. Okay. Believe it or not. I had no idea because no one ever opens or closes that door, not once, ever.

So I'm like, okay, I pushed her away. And I'm like, let me slam this door shut. There's a chain. And I'll just wait. There's a fucking chain. Okay. I didn't know. So, but, you know, I know now.

But then I'm like, I'm like, pulling, pulling. I look up and I thought the gate, the door was jammed against something in the ceiling I'm looking up. By the way, Matt, all of this is on camera. Right. There is footage of this the whole time and I've seen it.

And I'm looking up. I'm like, what the fuck's going on? Why doesn't this door close? You see me climbing, like so like Spider-Man holding on to the thing, just trying to pry it, pry, pride. I look down, the chain is at the bottom. Okay. And the chain is as thick as my for him.

Okay, well, guess what? I'm not winning that battle. And I had a captain and an officer on the bridge. This thing called the bridge. So basically, when you're leaving your housing area to go get your methadone or go see the doctor or lawyer or visits,

there's a small area called a bridge about the size of a small car, about it, like the size of a Toyota Corolla. That sort of officers are supposed to pat frisk you and check you before you go out into the rest of the building. And so they were escorting what we call a red ID. A red ID is a person that was either highly violent or brought contraband in. So this person needs, quote, quote, extra attention.

Right. Yeah, yeah. Pay attention to this one here. So they're paying attention to that. But that person's on the bridge by themselves with two officers, a captain and an officer. They could have came in and helped. But, oh, they stood there. arms against the doors

stood there watching the whole time again this is all on camera I need I need DOC to explain this in court right yeah why didn't they come in I never spoke to by the way I've never seen that captain or officer before my life

before that day or after ever okay so I don't know I was like hey I'm not mentioning names but yeah do you remember Captain so like no who's that who's that who's that I'm asking also I don't know Okay. So what happens with the guy that's trying to get through you and the chain on the door? What happens? Like, how do you keep him separated from the other guy? Well, that's what I did for 32 minutes. This person was just sort of like a football player. I know you're not into sports or stuff. Like, you know, when they try to break the to get that touchdown. Do you're just pushing them back for 30-something minutes? He's what is that? And just prying them apart because the 32 minutes is also part of me prying them apart in the beginning. And I'm like, yo, I'm going to spray. I'm going to spray. I'm trying to do.

do everything not to spray because it's going to get on me, too, as well as other inmates, because it's not like ventilation is very good in there. Yeah. Just like anything else, nothing's good in there. And, and I'm hitting the alarm, hitting the alarm, hitting the alarm, hitting the alarm. No backup. You know why? Mismanagement.

Well, doesn't the alarm button go to everybody? No, it's called a PBA, personal body alarm. Right. So doesn't everybody get notified? There's a guy. Correct. there's a because we call it the deuses he hit the deuses okay and uh have you ever heard that term no no in in the federal system they you know hit the deuses which means and as soon as they just had like a

little red button on the radio they hit that button yeah and you could immediately they start screaming lockdown right and everybody every out of every single unit every guard in every single unit runs full blast out of their unit and converges on that one spot. You would see 20, 30 guards running across the compound towards that unit. And they would rush straight up the stairs or straight in the door and run straight to them. I mean, it wasn't 20, it wasn't probably 20 seconds before at least the first guard gets there. Because you guys think some people are closer. Right. Within a minute, everybody on the compound's there. Swarming in, screaming a lock down they've pulled you apart there's no way it wouldn't even take a full minute like I said

probably probably 15 20 seconds before the first two or three guards even run it they're there because they're only that far away right so then they hit the button you know hit the deuses and you're here lock down lock down you can immediately look up and see doors bam bam you know and guards just fucking full blown running because if you didn't run right you're fired right like nobody's walking that's the way it's supposed to be Matt being that this whole incident is everything's on surveillance that what you just described is the way it's supposed to be that place is wherever

location you were at was managed properly and the rules weren't forced right the exact opposite happens at my building AMKC okay

if you're walking the halls and those red lights start coming on you're supposed to do exactly that you're supposed to go suit up put on a turtle suit and go out there still gonna you're not running in

like I've seen what you just described where guys are just coming in like blind? Yeah, blind. No, that's not happening there. No, that's not. I mean, that's not even procedure.

So our procedure is when that light is on, the red light, you run to the front, you suit up. It's called suit up. And then we all go in as a unit. And believe me, they're not running out there

the way you described. They are marching slowly. Yeah, these guys aren't waiting for the, there's no suit. They're coming straight in. And that's for the people who actually suit up. Again,

you know how many people pass by the other thing? and you say, fuck it, I'm not going. I'm not going. That all comes out to management. That's gross mismanagement. And again, it's on camera. Right. The whole thing. That's why I feel like, people are like, oh, you feel so confident. How can I not be? It's all on camera. They have to, they have to explain this in court. Yeah. So, they have, this thing becomes technical. So, you know, like, almost has to think like a lawyer, which I know you do. So I get, do I?

What do you, Colie? What do you think? Yeah. Think like a fucking idiot sometimes. But okay. No, listen, trust me, people are constantly, it's kind of like the asshole thing, you know, where it's like, I'm like, you know, if 50 people call you're an asshole, you've, you're probably an asshole, you know. But I mean, and people are constantly doing the whole, like, you know, you're super smart. And I'm always like, am I?

Like, I always feel like I'm fucking, I'm kind of a tard sometimes. Like I lose my car when I leave the restaurant, like where we park? Like, you know, I have no idea like that. But everybody keeps saying that. So I'm going to go with, I'm with you. I like that version better. Yeah, but it's accurate. Trust me.

It's coming from me. Okay. It's got to be true. Yeah. So certified. Right. Yeah. No, no honest.

No, but you are a smart guy. Listen, to do what you did, you have to be smart. Now, smart people sometimes fuck up. They have weaknesses. Keep all this in there. Smart doesn't mean perfect. Exactly. Exactly.

Exactly. Smart is not perfect. So you are a smart guy. Yeah. Overconfidence. It's overconfidence. You screw up sometimes. You get overconfident. But that's why there's pencil. That's why there's racist on pencils. Because everybody makes mistakes somewhere at some point.

That's why there's prisons. So what happens? So these guys, so nobody's coming. No, eventually I do get one guy who comes in and I know. By accident. No, someone who actually does his job. Right. No, and he came in,

How many guards are here Are in the vicinity? How many COs are in the basic General? Not many. Okay, 10? No, they're not allowed to leave their post. The ones that are in the vicinity?

No, you cannot abandon your post, period, under any circumstance. I'm a CEO. So being attacked by two inmates, I hit the button. No, these guys aren't allowed to leave their post to come. Correct.

So I'll give you a scenario. No, I'm telling you, black and white, like what's rules and regulations. So where I was was called Quad Up Before A, right? So that means there's an officer and called The Bubble that just sits there, all day watching that. And there's also quiet up before B. So now that, meaning there's two officers within the vicinity of, from here to the refrigerator. Right.

No, they cannot leave their post to come help me, even if I'm being stomped out. They cannot. No, no, that's black and white. When they roll back the cameras, they say, oh, no, Matt, you went to help Nick. Well, you abandoned post. You're not allowed to do that. This is not as good of a job as you said it was.

No, I said it's a good paying job. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. If somehow you could last. Right. Yeah. Go ahead. So those guys would lose their job and if they left their post. Depending on their status of the disciplinary status, how far they are up the thing.

But you're definitely getting written up for it. You're getting, you're getting what we call tagged, like, disciplined. Oh, you're going to get tagged. For sure. I mean, they made that clear, though, it's in the academy as well. You can't have been in your post. You've got to state it. Be the best possible witness.

Now, unless it's a DPF, which is a deadly physical force, they teach us this crap. Right. It doesn't make sense. Yeah. So I could stop the guy getting beat to death, or I could just make sure I'm a good witness. If it's a DPF situation, then all hands on deck, then anything goes. Okay. But if it's just me, like getting punched in the mouth or something, that's not DPF.

I feel like that is. I feel like that's quickly going to... That's the argument I would make as well. Yeah. You know, if I was in that situation, like, I'm going in, helping you, and I'll deal with the discipline later on. That's just me personally, and I've done it.

And somehow I didn't get written up or whatever. Okay. So go ahead. Sorry. After I finally get help, which is supposed to be a unit with a captain. But it's one guy. Just one guy.

Now, this guy's fucking big. He's huge. I mean, this guy can move a car. And once I saw him I was like okay cool cool You know like We're gonna finally put this thing to rest Whatever quarrel these two have

Because One of them was anti-LGBQ And the other one was exactly that Right And it became very sexist Okay The story That's why I believe that something was going on

Between them romantically It was like Love was quarrel or something Okay I can't prove it but whatever I'm exhausted dude obviously 32 minutes to just agonize and stress

because one of them's in there for murder this other one's here for triple murder these are not guys like you or who stole cars or bank fraud or anything like that and and uh I go there

I'm against the wall like this just covered like I'm exhausted man I'm trying to catch my breath I'm hurt I needed four surgeries after this okay from all the I'm sorry say again like shoulder surgery shoulder back

elbow and knee Jesus Yeah I mean How many people out there Are trained Or could go out there And do this for 32 minutes

Right I could practically drive back To where I just came from In 32 minutes Right You know what You know what? That's a long time

It's not like Even professional boxers Get the bell Every what Four minutes or something Three minutes And I think one minute break or something Yeah

Something along that line Yeah Yeah and you get their buddies Tap and I'm like Yeah yeah yeah Keep going And they're trained Right

and I'm definitely not. Right. Right. Not for something like this. I get this and I'm going to show you, I'll tell you something here, how I had the respect of the guys, because I treat everybody with respect, regardless of your charges, even though you might be a piece of shit and everything, until you give me a reason not to treat you with respect and dignity, I treat everybody the same way I'll treat you. And they saw that, believe it or not, my incompetent captain there comes in now, because now when that big guy comes in, And because he, once he gets the other guy, I said, I can't get this one here.

Everything's settled. I'm against the war like this. The inmates put their arms around me. And a captain, a dude, a useless captain, what should I do? What should I do looking around? Ammates curse her out. What the fuck are you doing?

You don't, bitch. Don't you see your officer G needs help? Call medical emergency. What are you doing? She's like, huh? she says you know what go to the clinic by yourself okay yeah imagine that right tells you to walk there instead of calling them right and you see me limping out there again like i'll keep emphasizing everything's on camera everything's on camera this is what we go to court with i go there and they're like

oh listen you need to go to the hospital because you're you almost having a heart attack because they're checking you up now of course my my blood pressure is going to be extremely high in a tense situation like that being overly exhausted on top of that. Right. And that's it. So, you know, go to the hospital. They recommend I take a month off, you know, to recover. And then during that time, I'm going to get MRIs, x-rays.

Turns out I needed to get four surgeries because of this incident. And then now this is a way it becomes tricky. That's when they say, okay, fine, Nick, you come back to work on light duty. It's called an accommodation. So basically, instead of being in the housing area watching the guys, I could be behind the scenes answering phones or hitting the button to let some of the gates open. Right.

A non-inmate, you know, so it's sort of like just sitting here. Like, okay, oh, you're coming through, show me ID. Zap. Okay, go through, watch the door close, and then just wait for the next person to come through. It's called an accommodation. You're right. Yeah, so they accommodated me.

So what they can't do, this is where my lawsuit really gets into play. is what they can't do is give me an accommodation, say, Nick, you're injured, really bad, but you're good enough to come in and answer phones and stuff, and then take that accommodation away for me. While you have people who don't need accommodations doing that same exact work. Okay. So let's say you, Matt, you're an officer just like me, but you're hooked up. Your uncle's the warden or your neighbors with the warden in real life or whatever. So he said, Matt, I don't want you out there fighting with these drug addicts and gang members

and all this shit. Come in and I'll find you a nice perky post over here, answering phones or answering emails. No, no, no. Matthew is not injured. Matthew has no restrictions. Matthew's supposed to be in the housing area. I apologize for pointing.

It's fine. That's rude. Matthew's supposed to be in the housing area with the inmates. And Nick is supposed to be here until he recovers. That's the way it's supposed to be. Right. So that's where it becomes a discrimination. It's called a cooperative.

dialogue. It's a little clause in the ADA, American Disabilities Act. And they're in huge violation of that. Huge. So they move you back there and what? Three weeks or two months later or six months later they say, oh, I think it's four or five weeks. They gave me like a desk job and like answering phones. Right. So then they say, then once you come back, they say, okay, well, you're going to put you back in the housing unit?

No. So they kept me there. No, no. So they kept me there and they said, oh, okay, so we're letting you go. after i think it was 16 months don't quote me on it right now you're going to let me go for what what's a reason for letting me go i was still on probation at that point okay so the way again i got injured yeah keep keep going keep going yeah i agree like you can't use me up you can't allow me to get injured and then fire me because i'm on probation for no reason i'm injured so i'm you're letting me go on probation because i'm because i mean like what's the justification for letting me for firing me on probate.

You know, you're saying, it's not like you're saying, yeah, you're not working out. The reason you're saying I'm not working out is because I was injured. Like, that's not a justification

to fire me. Right. I can still do the job. It's not like, hey, I'm showing up late fucking over and over again or I'm showing up drunk or I'm,

or I can't, you find out I can't read, I'm not able to fill out the paperwork or something like that. Like, that doesn't make sense. And that's exactly, the scenario, I mean,

you sounded like my lawyer, right? without the actual legal. Yeah, I'm sure he's got the actual verbiage, yeah. Exactly. But that's exactly, that's what we're going to court with. So they said that, oh, Nick, you're on probation. We could do exact words.

We could do whatever we want to you. That's not true. I know it's not true. You know it's not true, but this is what they say. So we could do whatever we want to you. You have no rights. And I'm like, that doesn't make sense. We have rights.

So I go up to them like this. just to shut them up because some people just, they're too dumb, they just believe everything they hear. And it was a black person that said it to me. Now, I had to play the race car because he's saying I have no rights. Right. I'm not, okay, cool. I said, do you want to test your theory out?

And he's sticking his chest out. Like, yeah, I want to test it out. I said, sure, let's go. How about this? I said, you're black and I'm white, correct? He says, yeah. I said, so basically where you're saying is if I'm in charge, I could say no black person ever gets off of probation.

Period. They could be perfect because you have no rights. No, you can't do that. I said, so you do have rights then? Oh, oh, okay. Funny how all of a sudden now, when we test this little theory of yours or what you believe to be the theory, now of a sudden, no, you can't do that?

Right. Oh, okay. Again, this is why we go to court. They got to explain themselves. So it's like religion, race, and in your case, it's disability. I'm injured. You've fired me because I'm injured. That's the only justification you can have for firing me or letting me go.

And the probation thing is arbitrary. You've determined, oh, by the way, you're on probation for two years. Really? You just pick two years? No, no. No, they make it. We're aware of it. We signed paperwork.

No, I understand being aware of it. But of course, you're going to sign the paperwork. I'm being hired. Like, I think I'm not going to do anything. thing wrong for two years, but you arbitrarily chose a time limit. Like, all of this is just kind of policy. You know what I'm saying? Policy isn't, doesn't, your policy doesn't trump my, you know, my civil liberties, right? It doesn't trump my rights, you know, under the Constitution. You don't get to, you don't get to say, by the way, we're going to, we're going to pay you while you're on

probation or whatever. We're going to pay you less because you're black sign here. Do you see what saying you could sign there you could say yeah that's fine and sign there but guess what i can sue you why because because that because you your policy doesn't trump my rights you're not allowed to discriminate yeah but you signed it doesn't matter that i fucking signed it you weren't allowed to even put it down matt this is what i go to court with again okay if my lawyer happens to die before my trial starts i'll hire you okay i'm serious i'll fly you in right say matt come in be a little charismatic here to explain us to the jury i'll have that i'll get I'll get the, I'll get the words down a little bit better.

Yeah, I'll read a couple. A couple of dollars here and there with, you know. Yeah, yeah, I'll have better argue. This is just off the cuff. I'll be better. Absolutely. Same, me and you, we're speaking on the same non-lawyer. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and that's exactly what we're going to court with. And they're going to delay, delay. My lawyer already told me he's going to take two to five years because they're going to delay, delay, delay, delay, deny, deny, deny, or for some money to shut me up, which, by the way, I'm going to deny. Even if it's a million dollars, I'm denying it. Because there's a bigger jackpot here at the end of this rainbow. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. They chose it. Right. No, so. Why not come in? You know what always kills me about the government? It's like their delay, in the end, it must work for them, to be honest. The delay tactic must work.

But I hate to say that because the government, listen, nobody. And I used to say that we say this in Coleman all the time. But it's true. in any facet of government. Nobody gets to the top of their field and ends up working for the government. Absolutely. I agree. There is no, like, you go to the doctor.

It's like, first of all, nobody becomes a doctor, the BOP, because they're at the top of their field. That's a huge pay cut. You're on the bottom fucking rung. So it's like the same thing with the lawyers. Like if you become a U.S. attorney or whatever, like you're probably, unless your goal is,

I'm going to sacrifice because I think I can end up being like U.S. attorney or maybe you're saying like maybe you have career aspirations or you don't need the money. For instance, Robert Mueller who was the FBI director and he wanted to be U.S. attorney, right? He didn't need the money. His family had. They were already rich. So if you're saying, hey, we're wealthy and we've done very well for myself and I'm now going to go into government, okay, I get that. Maybe you were successful but for the most part if you're a lawyer working for for the state of new york you know and you're in there basically in their civil department like right you're probably not a great fucking lawyer you know i have a million percent agree they're not making they're thinking

here's our the standard m o is delay delay delay they'll get frustrated and they'll take whatever we offer them because they they're so desperate for the money after four years but i wonder if there's some actuary out there that hasn't crunched the numbers to say, listen, you're better off going in right away because that's what insurance companies do. They go in right away and say, look, take $50,000 because you just got hurt and you're probably thinking I'm going to get, I'm going to have a surgery, I'm going to be better, I'll be back at work in six months, not realizing if the insurance company knows if we wait, this guy's going to realize that the injury he has is he is now going to be permanently, partially disabled for the rest

of his life and that it's not worth 50 that's worth a fucking million dollars minimum right because you will even if you get a job you are now excluded from certain jobs you may say they'll say oh you can work yeah I can work but I can never work as a CEO I'll never be able to work as a any physical jobs like a police officer I'll never be able to yeah turn this into the become an FBI officer there's tons of stuff I can't do now because I'm permanently partially disabled so that wasn't worth 50 grand that was worth a couple million dollars because I'm, I'm, even the jobs I can take now are going to pay less. And I mean, they may not be the jobs I want. Because let's face it, the job you liked was kind of being the CEO. You probably

liked, you know, some people like that environment. Some people like being cops. Right. So, you've now permanently taken me out of law enforcement by this injury. Yeah. And there's a certain dollar value to that. Right. Yeah. So even if you can work, you're still partially disabled from here on out. Right. By the way, I was a workman's comp adjuster for about a year. Were you? Yeah. So I know the difference being, you know, people are like, oh, you're, you're disabled. Well, yeah, but then there's partially disabled. And then there's, you're permanently, so you can be partially disabled for a certain period of time and now you're 100%.

Then you can be permanently partially disabled, which means you can work, but you'll always be at 20% capacity. And so you have to pay people for that. Right. And there's a, and workman's comp. Oh, there's even a calculation. And that's a shitty calculation. I'll tell you a story.

Matt, this thing has been one disaster after another in terms of dealing with either incompetence or lies, blatant lies. So what happens is in order for me to get medically terminated like I was, you have to go to this place called HMD, which is a health management division. So you go there every single month to the corrections doctors, which are bottom of the barrel doctors that we talked about, the guy who barely passes class,

who's not good enough to get his own practice, that's this guy. Or he's been fired from two or three hospitals and isn't getting a job. Yeah, that's this guy. And so they sit down and they say, okay, it's been one year, who do we get rid of? And so my name came up. And so it's a doctor and ADW. I'm not mentioning names, but we could do a Google search on what happened to this guy. Okay.

Yeah, another beauty, another. he gets court stealing overtime from the city. Forge in paperwork. Okay. And they give him a promotion. Doesn't get fired, doesn't get arrested. He gets to be in charge of that whole division, the management division. Not to go to the jails, to go be around inmates where he's supposed to.

Even their union, the ADW's union, said, this should not have happened. Guess what? Not only did it get promoted to that position just recently within maybe a month, he got promoted again. To Deputy Warden. How?

I mean, I could tell you how it works in the BOP. What happens? Enlighten me, because I know there's plenty of people out there that are in support of me, and I just got this information recently. So here's what happens. is if you're, if you're a problem for the BOP, so they have such a strong, once you become, you know, you're fully vested in you're, you're a part of the union, right? So the CEOs have a union.

Yeah, once you pass probation. Right. And this is in the federal. So, and this is what, what I've been told by other, what, what I've been told by other, um, staff members. Yeah. So we had a counselor that was named Miss Jenkins. I will use names. So, and this is normal, right? So you become, so now you're, you're, whatever, your staff, you're on the, your union. And so if you're such a problem for a facility that they can't just come to you and fire you. They can't say like, look. Why not?

You could go out there and steal from a job and they're entitled to keep you? Well, typically, you'd have to probably be charged with that crime. Like, you would have to have like the- That's my point, incompetence. governmental incompetence. What I'm saying is that you would have to be charged from, like, let's say, the local, whatever, the local cops would have to come and arrest you. And even then, you have hearings and all these things you can do.

And he did what he's being accused and he kept his job. Right. Well, what happened, let's say, Ms. Jenkins was like a horrible CEO, correctional officer. She was such a problem writing up so many people causing so many problems and making stuff up and whatever. The point is, is that she's such a problem. they want to get rid of her. You know, first what they'll do is they'll move you to, they'll give you assignments that they think will frustrate you and get you to quit.

So, absolutely. So if you don't quit and you keep being a problem, then they'll get to a point where they'll try and move you to another, like usually what they'll do is they try and get rid of you from, let's say, that prison. Right. You know what? Let's move her to another prison, to another this, to another, move her around. Because a lot of these complex, these prisons are complexes.

They have multiple prisons. Like they'll have a pen and they'll have a camp. Right. Because the people at the camp, the inmates at the camp will take care of the prison. They'll mow the yards. They'll do maintenance, right? They're trustworthy. But the guys at the pen, you can't let them work on the mows.

Hell no. They'll turn them into knives and start killing people. So the point is that they'll move her from the pen to the camp. Then they'll say, okay, well, you know what? Let's move her to a completely different facility. And keep in mind, that's a problem because the moment they do that, they have to buy your house right they either to buy it or they have to put it on the market and then they have to provide you a bonus or they have to provide you a per diem to move you know

a moving whatever they call that per diem they give you money to move they do all this thing that that doesn't go on over here but okay okay so that's the fed the feds so but they have to offer you that like hey we have a we have an opportunity for you to go here this other place or this other prison. Now she can say no. If it's a lateral move, if it's a lateral move, she can say, no, I like it where I'm at. I don't want to move. I don't want to go to California. No, but you get extra money because it's, you get better pay. Yeah, but the cost of living is higher. Yeah. So it's not, yeah. She's like, yeah, I don't want to do that. My family's local. And they'll be like, or maybe they'll say, hey, I know you have family in Georgia. Right. We're going to move you to

Atlanta, Georgia. Yeah, I don't want to do that. They're like, fuck. So then here's what you can't You cannot turn this down. We have a promotion in Atlanta. So you get to be a unit manager. Turn that down and we can fire you. Really? Right. And so she has, they're like, now she's like, fuck.

So they move you here. Right. And why do they do that? Because the warden at the prison that you're at right now doesn't like the fact that you're constantly writing up inmates. You're doing too much. You're doing too much. You're causing us too much work.

Right. Even whether it's true or not. It's too many waves. Right. It's true or not. You're causing everybody problems. You're creating too much paperwork, too much work for us. We're sick of it.

We told you to calm down. You won't do it. So guess what? You can now be a unit manager or whatever, a counselor. Whatever, yeah. We're going to transfer you. You have to take it. So you take it.

But it's also a bump and pay. Yeah. A force promotion. Poor woman. Right. So you get Jenkins, yeah, poor Miss Jenkins. Let me set up a go fund me for her. So now she's a counselor.

And then what happens is after two or three years there, they're like, she is such an issue here. The new warden's like, I got to get rid of her. I've tried to get rid of her. I can't. The warden or the union keeps stepping in every time we complain about her or we write her up and they fight it and we have to drop those write-ups or whatever. We can't get rid of her.

So you know what? We're going to get rid of her this way. we know they're at a position is here. So they move her here and they give her. So what happens is the bad apples or the people that nobody wants to deal with, the people that are a problem, they keep getting pushed up, pushed up, pushed up. Before you know it, they're unit managers or their assistant wardens of some little,

some little unit, whatever, bullshit camp somewhere that nobody wants to be at. And then they get there and they start, they try and eventually get them to a point where they're, they're not a problem for them anywhere. But the problem is by that point, they've been in the system for 10, 15, 20 years. They know the game. They've been pushed up. They're making a, they've got clout. I'm now a warden of a camp, and I'm making $200,000 or $250,000, and I've got 15 guys underneath me.

And you go, how did this person become because they were doing too much or they were a problem? Now, if you actually catch another charge and they, and they're, you actually, you know, and they, can, they can, because you can get a charge and still not lose your job, right? But if you become like a felon or something, a lot of times they can, they can, they can basically fire you. But that takes a lot, you know, to get these people charges. Like, you'd have to get arrested for something. It's got to be like a DUI. It's got to be, you got to be, you got caught for, you know, whatever, shooting somebody or burglary or something really. Something that's very unlikely is not going to happen. Right. And so that's, that's what

happens a lot of times is you get these these CEOs we had a guy who was a CEO yeah he'd been caught seriously harassing inmates this is a male CEO really harassing a male inmates what this guy been been doing this for 10 15 years and he literally every year or two he got so many write-ups for it they would so they go to him and they're like we can fire you or and you could fight it or you can just go to this other prison. It's easier to transfer, for you to take a transfer, like, it's a fresh start for you. Stop doing whatever these people are saying you're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, and he moves. Six months later, he's harassing other inmates. He gets a couple write-ups. The new guy says, look, man, we're going to transfer you, bro. Like, I'm sorry, you can't be doing

this. I'm not saying it's true, but we've got three guys saying it, like, it's an issue. And he doesn't necessarily know that this has been an issue at the other prison. They move him again. It's like the priests. We just keep shifting them from one prison to another, just like they'd send him to one church or one jurisdiction or whatever it was. They just keep doing it. We had a guy that was there. He's probably in his 50s, late 50s,

and he was harassing the inmates, calling him in there, tell him, oh, you work out, do you? You look like your workout. How old are you? You know, if you have sex with another man in prison, it doesn't make you gay. What? What?

That's literally, that's the conversation. Yeah, like I'm only gay for the state. Yeah, yeah. And you got to be like, what did you say? Yeah, I'm going to go. Well, let's talk. No, we're good. I'm good.

I'm leaving. Can I leave? If you want to leave, yeah. I'm just shooting the shit with you. I don't know what I want to be a part of this conversation, bro. It's kind of kind of. Yeah. So that's why these guys, you, that's the same kind of thing.

You're like, how is this guy still got a fucking job? because it's too difficult to fire them. Yeah, with this one, you know, I don't know how the rules are over there and the feds with the transfers and stuff. We're in New York City, so he's going to do it as far. Right, yeah. And from what I'm hearing, I can't verify it

that this guy doesn't even jail. Like, he's always given, he knows the right people. God bless him. I wish I knew the right people. I wouldn't be on his podcast. I wouldn't be on this podcast if I did. Right. You know what I'm saying?

I wouldn't be in a situation I'm in. But I don't know the right people. This guy does. He gets a steal from the city and it gets swept under the rug And meantime, that's the motherfucker That signs off on my termination Well, I mean, he should

He should run for Congress Yeah, yeah She's a shoe-in They're like he's one of ours Yeah, by the way, the guy He's not really, I don't know how you get overtime in an office setting And you're not even in the jail

The guy made over $260,000 last year Like I said, Public information. Congress. Yeah. One of us. He should run. I thought you were going to say he's not that smart.

I don't know him personally. You know, I've never even met him. So I mean, him, we might not have even crossed paths. Right. As far as I know. I know what he looks like. I don't recall ever seeing him besides pictures. Yeah.

But whatever, like I said, I'll see you in court. Right. Yeah. So naturally, you said you worked at, I didn't, but by the way, I didn't know that. Yeah. So what are they going to do? The second you get a claim. Oh, he walked in injured.

Even though you said they've already strip searched you, they get a physical chat. But I'm saying, that's what workers' comp does. That their first line of defense is, oh. He was always injured. Yeah, he's injured. By the way, I've never been injured. Right.

For anything. Not one. Right. So when I lost my job, I called my attorney. When they let me go, it's like, oh, they can't do that. You have a work? You know, we have a case open all this shit. I was like, yeah, what do I mean to tell you?

I can't force him to take me back. Right. He's like, don't apply for unemployment. He tells me, we're going to have workers' comp pay. It pays you way more. Okay. So they squeezed me for five months without pay. So five months, I have zero income coming in.

And all they're doing is delaying the hearings, delaying, delaying to squeeze you, squeeze. They're following me. Squeezing, squeezing, squeeze and squeeze and squeezing. You believe they try to bring in a fake witness on a hearing against me? Who? The warden. who was not there. Okay.

They're like, oh, your honor, we need another delay because we need to bring in the warden there to have the warden testify. And my lawyer's like, the fuck is your, the warden wasn't even there. Right. A witness is a person that saw something there or heard something.

With it, you know, I'm saying their own ears, eyes. That's witness. That's a very definition. Right. And I told my lawyer, I was like, listen, that's just another delay. You sure the warden doesn't have anything against you? I said, no, I was actually.

I don't sound conceded or anything, but I was liked and respected by everybody that I ever come across at the job, whether it's inmates, doctors, lawyers, warden, captains, whoever, all of them. And I was like, no, no, no, no. The warden's not going to show up, but lo and beholden, of course, they didn't show up. What are they going to say? They went there. It's just a way to try and get an extra delay.

Exactly, exactly. It's ridiculous. And then recently, the IMEs, no. a lie by them. You know what IME is? It's an independent medical examination. Okay. So in order for you to keep collective workers' comp pay,

you need to go see their doctors, not your own doctors. And then from there, they say, okay, Nick, you might have improved or something. So if you improved a little, they start deducting your paycheck. I'll just use round numbers. For the sake of it, let's say I was getting $1,000 a week. And the IME, the independent, the government, the city, picks a doctor, the city pays a doctor, but we call these label of independent, another scam. Right.

Yeah. And they say, oh, Nick, I feel like you improve by 20%. So now your weekly payments drop. Now it's $800. Exactly. So that's how that works. So recently, and I have the documentation, I can't wait to show it to a jury again with this one too, they say, oh, Nick, why didn't she show up to your I and me? I said, what are you talking about?

You didn't show up. It was the last Friday of February, whatever the number was. I guess I did. Like, oh, no, you didn't. I got the letter. I said, yes, I did. There was a black girl with big boobs, low-cut shirt, hair-tied backwards, listen to R.B music.

I was in the front desk with her from 425 to about 433 hanging out talking about music. Yes, I was there. I mean, exact specifics. and the girl's like, oh, you have an attitude problem, attitude problem. You're lying. Yeah, you're lying to me right now on the phone. Why do I have an attitude problem? Yeah, how's it an attitude?

I'm giving you the exact specifics of even what the girl was wearing and her hair and everything and the exact location where you could find me on camera. But you're saying, I have an attitude. And then I call my lawyer, I'm like, listen. This is what they're doing. So they come back to say you were there? Yeah, of course. Of course.

My lawyer asked for paperwork on what happened that day. Another thing, by the way, another piece of document with their letterhead. Oh, we need something there, reports on what happened to Nick Goethe there on April 21st, 27th, or 2021. Oh, we have no records at all with his name. Nothing ever happening to him that day. That's on record, too. Do you already have all the video and everything from? from the prison?

No, I don't have the video. They won't release it? Like, you're telling me he hasn't ordered the video? They're not releasing it. Yeah, that bothers me. Because to me, that's their last line of defense is suddenly to say, oh, we can't find it. It was erased. Yeah.

No, no, that's fine. And what my lawyer said, that he did, that's part for the course. Yeah, because then you get in front of a jury and say, oh, and then they magic. We ordered it. We requested it, requested it, requested it. And by the time they had to provide it, suddenly it got erased. In front of a jury, they're going to be like, these motherfuckers. Are you starting to see how I know I'm going to win?

Yeah. Exactly. So even if they do that, then what we are accusing them of, stands. Stance. I don't know what that means. No, stands meaning that the city can't rebut it because if they're the ones who deleted the video. Yeah. So if Nick is saying...

So they can't... Oh, they don't get... You don't get to erase the video and then deny what happened on the video. Exactly. Yeah, so basically whatever I'm saying, as long as it's reason, as long as I don't say like a ghost came in and threw me against the ceiling.

Right. Long as there's nothing like, you know, something reasonable, which I'm just speaking to everything. I have, they had the video. It stands, stands, meaning... Right. It's good.

It's accepted evidence. So when, when... So what are you doing now? You're waiting for a... I'm still collecting workers' cop checks. You wait for a job? I mean, for... I'm not jobs.

You're waiting for a court case? Yeah. Okay. I'm waiting for court cases and stuff. And it's very taxing, Matt. It really is. Because you're constantly anxious. As to like, what the hell's going on here?

This doesn't make sense. Like, how... If someone would have told me ahead of time, this goes on, I would say, you're full of shit. it just does not make sense at all. Right. But I have no regrets.

And even with what I know now, I would still go back. Believe it or not. Right. Because the job for me was easy. You'd say, I'm sure it was the places that you spent, what, 12, 13 years, the officers who treated people with respected dignity, for the most part, almost always got it back. You're going to have a couple exceptions here and there.

But if you're supposed to get your three square meals, you're supposed to go see the doctor every Tuesday at 8 o'clock and Joe Blow out there is supposed to see his get his religious services at 3 o'clock on Thursdays. Just ensure that they get it. Right. Yeah, this isn't a difficult job.

Right. Yeah, you just do that. Some CEOs will make it difficult. You know, they don't, they, but the guys, and we always liked the, you know, nine to fiveers. Right. That's what you, you like the nine to fivers. Yeah, that's me.

Because they were the guys were like, this and I'm just here to do a job. Like, I'm not here to judge you. I'm not here to punish you. I'm here to open the fucking door when they say it's your turn for chow. I have to walk through the unit. I'm not trying to give you a hard time. You know, if you guys are tattooing, fucking get a lookout so they can see me coming.

Because if I walk by and I see you tattooing, I'm going to have to take the fucking tattoo. It depends on which level you're at. You know, because like in the pen, like, they'll just let you tattoo. They'll walk right by, see you and be like, fine, as long as you guys aren't stabbing each other or stabbing us. Right. The medium, I had a CEO tell me this one time, the S-I, they called them S-I-S when we first went in. They said, listen, at the pin, we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing us.

At the medium, we're trying to keep them from stabbing each other. At the low, we're trying to keep them following the rules. Right. Follow the rules. You'll be fine. Yeah, I'm a rule follower. I'm good. But, so it was funny because at the medium, they didn't give a shit if you were tattooing.

And at the pin, they'll walk right by. At the low, most of the nine to fiveers would be like, listen, if you're going to tattoo, get a lookout so that when I walk in to walk my round. Be a smart criminal. Yeah. Put it away. If I see it, I have to take it. Yeah.

That's all. You make my job difficult. Yeah. But then you had the some guys who were like literally, the guards are like running in on them and trying to do this. It's like, come on, man, I'm already here. I'm already fucking miserable. Like, why are you searching my fucking locker?

You're taking. Oh, you got six pair of socks. You're only allowed to have three. I'm writing you up. Well, those are the guys that are going to get. They get shit thrown on them. There you go. They go to grab the door handle, and guys will take peanut butter and rub peanut butter on it because it looks like –

because these guys aren't going to touch feces. But the cop doesn't know that. He'll go to grab it and he'll be like, oh, you motherfuckers, fire. They'll scream and hollers. Like, bro, it's peanut butter. Like, you know, you can help pretty quickly. But just now you understand the point. Get off my – get off my fucking dick with the goddamn sick socks.

Right. Exactly. Exactly. Like, I don't want to make your – don't make my job harder. Don't make your – don't make your – but some guards. listen, when we were talking about the deuses, I wanted to mention something. There was a guy named, and you've heard me say this guy, his name, I'll never forget, his name is Solo.

Solo, like by himself, Solo, like he walks Solo? Yeah, well, I think his last name was something, because, you know, all it is, like, it'll say, like, you know, probably Solomon or something. Yeah, yeah, but it'll, it'll say like, you know, G Solo. Like, his probably name is Greg Solo, but they don't give you your last name. It's like, you know, Officer Solo. Well, they don't give last names out there? No, they give last names.

Okay. That's what I'm saying. It'll be like G. Yeah. Solo. Got it. They don't say Greg Solo. They want you to look

in these guys up. They get it anyway. Yeah. These guys do my fucking license plate numbers. Oh, yeah. I don't know how. Well, this is federal. I don't know how.

Anyway, it's not going to be hard. But the point is, solo, Solo fought like ultimate fighting. Like, this was a guard. This CEO was about it. He had an attitude. In fact, he had such an attitude.

He had to wear a sleeve over his tattoo. because he had racial tattoos on his arm and they hired him. Oh, absolutely. Incompetence. They're not supposed to hire that. Well, but they do. They just make you wear a sleeve. So he wears a, he had a sleeve over it.

So he's walking around. And I mean, he was one of these guys. He was a super cop. But here's what's funny about him. One time he went to shake somebody down and the guy ran. And this is like a tranny. He runs into the bathroom. Now, these are these are group.

bathrooms, right? These aren't individual cells. This is at the low, so it's a, what do they call them, a dorm, open bay. Okay. So there's, there's cells, but they're only five foot tall concrete block walls. Right. So you could walk up and look into, there's no doors. And you have a group, you have 180 guys, between 180, 150 to 180 guys. Holy shit. It's low. We're, we're, we're children. Nobody's, nobody's hurt. So they, it's a shared bathroom. So they, it's a shared bathroom so you have like eight toilet stalls eight urinals probably a dozen sinks and then i'd say probably 10 showers right for everybody so you you know you go in like so what happens it depends on the time of the day you might walk in the bathroom there's nobody in this in the whole

all of these for all this is all one massive this is probably a a 500 square foot space maybe 2,000 square foot space of all this stuff that I just mentioned and nobody might be in there because almost everybody's out on the yard like there's so much stuff to do in prison like this isn't you know right now rikers yeah you know how much to do you're dying of boredom tons of stuff to do there right so but anyway so solo grabs this guy he runs he runs from solo he gets into the bathroom jumps it goes into a toilet stall and he's standing he's in the toilet stall Solo like bangs on the and kicks open to the toilet stall

grabs the guy the guy attacks him and he's supposed to have I heard by the way all this was inmate inmate Gossip.com Inmate dot com

Okay It's got gossip So but I do know he attacked him And Solo hit the ground And as Solo is trying to hit the deuses The guy wouldn't let him Hit the deuses He's fighting with Solow

so he couldn't hit the deuses. He eventually does, but I heard Solo starts screaming because this guy is, he's like in transition, one of these, you know, this guy. And Solo's screaming, he's also got a razor. So he's holding the hand. He's trying to hit the button. He's, you know, no doubt he was in panic. But the funniest thing was guys get, so Solo's gone. He has to stay.

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Visit TD.com slash small business match to learn more. Conditions apply. I'm calling for a couple days because I think he had a black eye. or something a couple of days later that's all it was he comes back and guys are saying stuff like in the unit so you could hear throughout the whole unit guys are basically saying like you know they're screaming out like you know watch out for them tranny solo watch out of the tranny and he's this an attitude who the folks are there who fuck said they they found his trigger oh that was it he was he was gone he was gone within probably a month or so he was eventually they just had to move

I think, keep in mind, Coleman, it's got two pins, a medium, and a low. They put solo at the low. Well, and it's got a camp. They put solo at the low. It's easy to be in the tough, also. Right. Because if it goes to the medium or a pin, these guys will gain, they'll just, they'll beat you to death, right? They'll attack him.

They'll get him out. Yeah, they're not loose. So I don't know where they sent him, but I know they sent him somewhere, but yeah, he had a real, a real attitude. And I saw him, I want to say on two separate occasions, but one of them I literally was like right there and looked at him. He grabbed the guy to put him up. And the guy yanked back and solo, reached down, flipped him over the air and slammed, full body slam, jumped on him and handcuffed him. Listen, I never seen anything like it. It was like watching an ultimate fight.

This fucking guy, this was the worst cop you've, because he wasn't just an asshole. He was dangerous. Like he'll fuck you up in a set. He looks like he took the job just to do this legally. Yeah, exactly. He wanted you to. He was go and he grabbed you. And, of course, a lot of these guys are like, don't fucking touch me.

And, oh, that was a mistake. The moment you yank away, he gets to use force. There are cameras, man, those cameras don't. Half the cameras. And this is kind of like the Epstein thing where people. I don't want to talk about that. Yeah, I don't want to get in trouble. What?

Okay. Well, I'll just say, in general, it's all these guys. We have all these guys that will come on here and talk about how, you know, Epstein was killed and this and this. It's like, listen. And they're like, oh, the cameras weren't working. Man, half the cameras don't work in those, in the low. Yeah.

Tons of cameras don't work. What happened? I don't know. But there's so many... And I used to say, because you'd get something stolen. You'd go to the coffin, you'd say,

listen, my MP3 player was stolen off the charger. Yeah. Can you go to the camera and they're like, which can't... Yeah. Well, sometimes they're just like,

which camera? Right. And you tell them this camera, they'd be like, that camera doesn't work. I can go to this camera. Right. You're like,

what do you mean that camera doesn't work? Do you mean the camera doesn't angle that you can't see shit on? Yeah, that one? Yeah, thank you. Right. They're like, yeah, they're like, this one works. Right.

And listen, I've been in SIS and walked in and seen all the camera systems. Yeah. But a lot of them don't work. They'll tell you they just don't work. They don't give up. Just like our government. Yeah, they just don't give a shit. Like, they're like, well, why don't you guys fix them?

They're like, this place runs pretty good. Why would we fix the fucking we got to come in? What's the purpose of having it there then? You know what it is. It's to make you think the camera's there. Like, that stops a lot. Just thinking, fuck, we're in camera. let's go somewhere else

even though the camera you don't know if it doesn't work or not so the inmate trust me the inmates partial deterrence yeah the inmates will let's go over here and they will

you'll walk to somewhere where there's not a camera there's lots of places there aren't cameras yeah yeah yeah that's not happening here I mean what some of these guys have done to block the cameras

is they'll say but this is more in like the high classification like the really rowdy guys toilet paper will they throw toilet paper or take jelly or butter or peanut butter on the toast, on the sliced bread, and they'll say, hey, Cox, we're going to fuck up so-and-so at three o'clock on, you know, whatever time. I need you to just take the

sliced bread, paste it on top of the cameras. Right. They're doing, they don't have a choice. Either they're going to be next. Yeah. Or they'll take, they'll take toilet paper, and they mesh the toilet paper up, and you can just throw it, and it'll stick. Stunk. Mm-hmm. He'd be shocked what you can do. You can build all kinds of stuff with toilet paper. Absolutely, yeah. Especially when it dries up. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, it's hard. Yeah. It's hard as fuck. We talked about how we just found Solo's trigger. And the guys were all giving them about the tranny and everything that they move them out. I was with the Crips, these maximum Crips. Yeah. So I know that these guys liked me as much as you could like, possibly like an officer.

But they'd like fuck with me and being engaging. because I would stay there and chitchat with them just like I'm sitting here with you I had no problem with it because I'm locked in there with them Yeah, you're just there to follow the rules just to make sure hey you can't do You know you can't do that bro

Yeah sort of like the way I described When I was in high school I just wanted to get by If D was passing, that's what you're getting That's what the job was getting out of me Right getting the D Enough to stay employed Yeah I don't want to be a superhero like Mr. Solo

Yeah, no, that's not me Yeah, he's causing more problems than he's solving Correct Correct. We had a CEO, we had a guy who was a former CEO who was talking about like the balance. Like whoever's making the rules doesn't know the job. Doesn't understand the job. Like so you have to have somebody go in there and you have to have a balance of following the rules while keeping the peace. You know what I'm saying? Like you, it's a balance. You can't, you can't be so overly strict on the rules that you create major problems for yourself. They'll be right. If they followed every single rule, the way it's written, black and white,

Right. Rules and regs. Yeah. It wouldn't function. They'd be attacking guards left and right. You won't have officers. Yeah. Period. Right.

And that's a fact. Right. So as I would say, so these guys wanted to really give me a hard time. They're always looking for your trigger to try to find something so they could weaponize it and use it against you. So make you cry or something. Yeah. So they're con men. They're all inmates are fucking scammers.

Con men. Yeah. But this guy, I like to, you know, what he said with the creative shit that he came up with, to build me up just to shatter me. And he played the racial component, the racial factor in the black guys are blessed in a certain way, more than white guys.

Okay. Right. So, and my last name is Goichai, right? And he says my last name perfectly. Like, he's Albanian. Right. And most of these guys are from the Bronx, just like I am.

And so I think that in some ways we kind of connected in that sense that lived in the same neighborhoods and stuff. It's like, hey, Goy Chai, man. and I see over a sudden now the whole housing area gets quiet. So something's up. I was like, they put this kid up to do something, some kind of

trick or something. Whatever it is, I'll figure it out eventually. He's like, hey man, I could tell that when your girlfriend brought you home to meet her family, they were really proud. They would say, they put the arms around you and said, yeah, he's one of us, he's with us.

Matter of fact, now mind you, he's 22 years old, black. he's like matter of fact I could be his father right you know in terms of the age gap and stuff he's like matter of fact you're such a good guy

if you dated my mom sister or aunt anything I'd be proud to claim you as one of our own as well and I'm like oh thank you Mr. I'm not going to say the name Mr. M8 thank you thank you

it's very nice to you he says and you're a good guy because you're out here working overtime you don't have a problem coming to you don't try to talk your way out of coming to this housing area and stuff.

So we all, quote, quote, fuck with you, meaning they like me. Yeah. Yeah. Just for the audience. Yeah. Yeah. So we fuck with you like that. I thought, thanks.

I say, I fuck with you guys too. He's like, but I could tell you a little naive. I said, naive. I'm like, oh, shit. While he's distracting me here, somebody's getting shanked in the back. Right. Again, these are maximum security guys. These are all high classification.

And I'm like, I jump up because I'm on camera right here, a lot of gagging with you. Well, somebody might be getting attacked in the back. He saw that he read my mind. He's like, no, no, don't worry about it. Nobody's getting stopped out. I said, I just did a real quick tour. So, no, so what are you talking about?

About the naive part. He says, you're out here working all this overtime, making all this money, treating your girl real good, buying a nice stuff, going on vacations. But do you know why you're working and doing this and putting all these hours here? She's sucking off to end. the word is, I'm going to use the word ninja

is the word that white people can't call blacks. Right. Right. She's sucking off two ninjas that look just like me. Long hair, tattoos, getting sprayed in the face. What's this guy's goal to get locked up? And then he comes around,

he comes around to my desk and he puts his arms around me just like this. He says, but don't worry about it, Goy Chai. She really does love you. well the whole thing was just to make me insecure about me the white guy who's not blessed is my girlfriend's cheating with the two guys that I can't compete with right oh no please mr. inmate you ruined my day right I have to quit now you know I guess they were hoping to get some kind of response out of me and I told him I said mr. inmate when I see you outside when you do

your time because you're in there for armed robbery so you're looking to about seven to ten right if i see you outside at a bar a restaurant i will cover your tab for you and your whoever you with that's a good one i like that and uh i kind of saw that guys are disappointed yeah he's hoping you were gonna fucking get upset and scream don't talk about my girlfriend or wife you piece of shit yeah yeah no didn't happen and um but i like the attempt though the creative attempt they must have been thinking about that shit all day long right this is this is what they're doing with their time. How can we get to this guy? Yeah, but you know, you're always going to run into interesting characters out there, unique stories that you're not going to find at a regular

workplace. Yeah. So if you're working at Target or Walmart or Applebee's, you know, or UPS, some of the stuff that, the stories that you have or I have, they're just, when we tell them, like, what? No, that's what I always tell whenever the, you know, guests come on and we start talking, I'm like, look, you have to, especially guys that have been locked up or been committing crime most of their life, is they're like, I'm like, like, don't skate over anything. Don't skim over it. Don't be like, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I got arrested. And so, you know, my lawyer said it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, don't, like, how did you get arrested? Tell me about the arrest. They're like, you know, bro, I got arrested. No, I know. But the guys who are watching this are driving forklifts. They're laying drywall. They're putting down, you know, they're doing, like, they haven't been arrested. Right. They don't know anything about the shit that you did. Exactly. So, so they've never been arrested or maybe they had a DUI or they got a buddy who's been in his account. Right, but you know what I'm saying? So, so, you know, let's go through that slow. And they're like, oh, because that's the problem is like if I talk to my buddy Zach or something, but, you know, he does very, you know, so it is. It's always like I got arrested or this or that, you know, because I know the whole process. So when you're talking to somebody like you, you. Yeah. But it's funny too because then when you meet a normal person, just a normal, they, everything about that person. Just say some guy who works at, you. You know, he's a manager at Walmart for the last 25 years. And then, you know, he had grad, he went to college. He went to high school.

He married his high school sweetheart or something. And he's been doing this job for 20, 25 years. You talk to him almost every story or everything about my life is, what? Huh? Huh? And you get to a point, you're like, fuck, like, there's nothing I've done that's normal. Like, there's nothing I can say to this guy that he's like, yeah, yeah, you know, I know. I understand that.

everything you've done everything I've done has been like wait you did what how did that but I thought other than you know the only other job that probably he would be like oh okay I understand yeah I got a buddy does that is I worked as an workman as a as a workman's comp adjuster right so I've worked you know for for a year or so I worked in construction well I worked in workman's comp which is funny because I never really talk about that like right out of right out of college for about a year I worked as workman's comp adjuster yeah then i worked doing construction because i got laid off so for about a year i worked construction and that's when the girl i was dating was like you got to become a mortgage broker because she had gotten a job and i became and then everybody knows the story but yeah

but other than that every story is just fucking they're constantly like yeah you know and even getting out of prison it's like you know if i mentioned somebody's like oh yeah i met my wife on you know match or oh yeah yeah it was no no my wife we went to high school together or it was a my buddy jimmy's sister you know i met her at a party i mean you know oh where'd you meet your wife oh i met her at the halfway house you know and they're like you would she worked there no you and you were in the halfway house and she was working a regular no no she we both got out of prison together and just right and they're like stars were aligned what like every single thing that's happened even since then has been like insanity insanity insanity from a normal thing

from an average person's perspective. Of course, of course. I'll tell you, I mean, I have... But if you worked as a CEO, it's the same thing. Your every day is insane compared to the guy that works driving a forklift. It's like, everybody's like, what do you mean the guy?

They threw feces on somebody. What happened? What? Yeah, yeah. Or they, two fucking inmates attacked a fucking CEO and you ran. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a pallet fall today.

Whoa, whoa, let's stop the press. You're right? That's the story of the day. That's the excitement in this guy's day. Like a pallet fell off of this guy's fucking forklift. Like, what do you mean? I don't give a fuck about you, pallet. Somebody attacked you.

Exactly. Ah, you know, these six inmates jump me in the hallway. What? Right. Exactly. Exactly. So, I mean, some of these guys, I have a personality. I like to chit-chat. So guys are chit-chat. And Matt, I was surprised at how open some guys

that even talk about some of the stuff that's going on. One time I'm watching, have you ever seen a Yamiko wearing crackhead? Never. Have you? Never. Yeah. I did see there was a guy who was orthodoxed, orthodox shoe, right? He had the curls.

Yeah, no, this one didn't. He had the yamico. No, I'm saying I was locked up with the guy. Yeah. This is something. Fully tattooed. What? Yeah, which is absolutely if you're, you can't do that.

You cannot get tattoos. Right. You cannot. And but he would, and we used to always say like, did you have the, did you have the, the, the, he was like, oh no, on the street. I was just like this. I've been ostracized. Like, they hate me. Like, the Jews hate me.

Like, he's Jewish. He's like, oh, my parents are furious. He's like, I mean, they haven't, they don't, they talk to me. He's like, but they're furious. And then he ran, ended up running a scam and coming to, actually, I don't think, I think his was drug. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going?

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Which is another thing that's like, what do you do? Another no-no. Yeah. Yeah. But he was super. I forget his name, too. We still talked to him. He was super cool.

But anyway, go ahead. But that's the oddest thing I've seen. Okay, yeah. But this is going to be very close to the odd thing. And I'm looking at him in a, it's a big dorm moment, right? So I'm just watching him. I'm like, this is odd. Like, listen, it is what it is.

85, 90% of the demographics at Rikers Island, the inmates are either Latino or black. Right. It is what it is. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I didn't make these numbers up. I didn't arrest him. That's just how,

that's the people that I'm watching over. But a Jewish crackhead. Yeah. And he's small. He's puny. He's like 140 pounds, 150. How tall?

Maybe 5, 6, 5, 7, somewhere around there. But he looks so comfortable, Matt. This is where he belongs. And everybody's embracing him. So I'm thinking like he's an embezzler. Got a mortgage fraud or credit card for it or something. And that guys are like, okay, teach us how to do it and we'll let you live here.

and you sleep in peace we're not going to rob you or anything just give us it wrong answer that was not him so I tap on one I'm like yo too out of curiosity as a

what are you here for if you don't mind me asking I said I could check your card anyway without knowing but just he's like he's real proud of himself like oh you know read about me in the papers puts his arms together like

I'm like I said no maybe I did maybe I didn't you do read the papers but I can't say I remember remember every single article I've ever read. Do me favor. I don't want to talk to you. Google me.

And when you read the article, come and tap the window, I'll come and talk to you. This guy, what he did is the most unique thing I've ever heard. Priceless. Okay. He pretended to be an off-duty cop. He goes into the police station in Brooklyn. I forget if it's...

Oh, that's fucking ballsy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's insanity. He walks in like he belongs. Like, he's a cop walking into the locker room to get ready to change and put on a uniform, go on patrol. And cops are like, yo, who are you? He's like, oh, he made up some name. Oh, I am, you know, John Doe, whatever the name is.

Officer So-and-so. Yeah. I've been deep undercover in this drug operation, and I'm just, I'm getting promoted. I'm here to just pick up my shit. I'm going to one police plaza, which is the police headquarters. to pick up my shit. So he knew, like, the layout of the whole precinct,

the lingo, and the steps on where to get promoted and where to go. He knew all that. He goes in, he breaks into, off the studio,

the cop's locker. Not to steal the gun, not to steal anything, to steal the uniform. He puts the uniform on. Walking past dozens of cops. He's like, yo, something's up with this guy.

Something's like. So it doesn't make sense with this fucking guy. Is he wearing a Yamika? Yes. I mean, you're going to stick out like a sore thumb. That's what makes a story even more amazing. He makes it, he's right at the front door, boom. He runs into two cops that arrested him in a pass and then knew him.

Like, hey, I know you. What the fuck are you doing? You're not a cop? I changed my life. No, no, no, he's like, I know you. I personally arrested you. It's the way he could be a cop. Cover of the newspaper.

I figure it was the daily news of the New York Post. Him with the Yamika on, and handcuffs with the uniform on. That's insane. So I'm like, yo, dude. So I read it, I'm like, this cannot be real. Now, this story is so juicy. I can't not ask a question.

I have to. Yo, come here, come here. Come here. So I said, I googled you. You asked me to? I did. You don't need to answer the question. I'm not trying to grill you to.

bring you up on charges or anything. You know, media sometimes runs with stuff. They lie or exaggerate to sell clicks or papers. How much of it is true? Put songs together, yeah. All of it. So why would you, like, how much is the shirt is $15, $20? Why would you go through this for, you know?

What can I do? What can I tell you, man? McCrackhead, we do super shit. I wonder what his ultimate, like he was thinking, steal the uniform. walk out he was going to he had a second there was a secondary plan to that other than most most likely but so you know when it when they check your paperwork well for the people that don't know what that is i mean you know what it is yeah yeah and the inmates said like hey what are your charges you know

the reason they found it to be cool is because a he what he did so they call their people like hey check this out check check this guy's name see see if he's lying to us because if he's lying we're gonna fuck him up, everything checked out. Right. And so now he's embraced by everybody there as the guy that broke into the police station. That's insane. In front of the cops and almost got away with it. So maybe he should, he should, he should have an episode with that. Yeah. I'm shocked that he got into the police station. He's been arrested so many times. Right. But everything was always like small, petty. You know what I'm saying? So it's like come in, get processed and then you get. Typically when you come in, like now they have doors. You have to get buzzed in. You have to get buzzed in. You have

to get buzzed it like is he walking. He knew the layout. I'd never been in that precinct, so I don't know. Right. But whatever it is, he did it. Yeah. So he knew something. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm not doubting. I'm just saying that you're thinking of jail. I'm saying precinct just where the cops, you know, parked their cars. I've been in precincts. I mean, typically what happens is there's a guard at the front. And so if you, even if you're a guard or even if you're a police, you walk in, you go to the side door and they'll buzz you in. Or they'll have a code. Now, he may have walked in with someone else. Possibly. Yeah. Whatever it was.

he somehow another got through that door and then sometimes they'll have internal doors like if you get on the elevator and you get up like the ones I've been and you get in there

you hit the button there's usually a code or a card to go up to the floors like because when I've been this is New York City we don't have that kind of technology I promise you

I was going to say because like I have part of my story is where I was taken into the police station and I actually was in there waiting for the cop and I saw my my wanted poster and people were like, bro, why didn't you take off? And I'm like, because it was

three doors to get buzzed in. Like, even if I, even if I ran in down the hall to the elevator and hit the button, like, I'm not going down. Like, I'm not leaving in this elevator unless I have a card or whatever a code or even if I got there. I'm not walking out of the police station. There's another guy that's got to buzz a door. Now, maybe you could walk out, but to get in, these guys are buzzing doors hitting buttons like yeah so when people were like why didn't you run it's like i don't think i can get out of here yeah and now it definitely looks bad right now i take off so i just stood there i just had to stand um-hmm mm-hmm okay he's like yeah let's get going yeah let's do that he walked me out holy shit so that's why i'm saying like to get in he it must have he must but then

again new york there's so many cops going in and out all the time they may not have that level of scrutiny. Why? There's fucking 180 cops in this fucking place that didn't he give in time? Way more. Way more. Way more than 180. In a precinct? Yeah. Especially in Brooklyn that over there. I'm curious what he was going to do. What was he going to do once he got

all being for all the... I would say he probably, because I did speak to him. He's not that bright. Right. You think he probably didn't have much of a plan at all? Right. I think he just did it for throws. I... Because you could get this off of the... You can get a uniform. Yeah. And all it is is a blue shirt with a

patch. At the end of the day, that's what it is. You can get the patch somewhere on Amazon and get it, just knit it in if you really wanted to avoid the cops. Do cops wear in New York, do they have like bulletproof vests and shit? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Did he get the vest or do you just know we got the uniform? You don't know. I don't know. I'll show you the picture when I'll show you the picture on what we're done with this. Because I was thinking it was, I was still thinking he could probably go shake down drug dealers, walk up to him as a combo, boom, up against the wall

and then take whatever he wanted and walk away. Where are they going to do? I would say that I'd love to see him try. Right, because he's about fucking, he's about 40, Wayne. Right, right, exactly. Because he needs to have a little presence when you say, hey, back the fuck up.

Put your hands up against the wall right now. You know, if you can't do that and have that kind of presence, especially in a drug dealer guy, they're not just going to comply very easy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? A bank force is there might, but not

the guys who stop moving kilos. Yeah. They're going to. I wouldn't even think of kilos. I was thinking local guys selling rocks on the corner. Even those guys. Even those guys, they're not going to comply that easy. Probably just run. Yeah. You're going to outrun me.

Yeah. And you know those guys have guns all around the place, whether or not on their person, but that car that appears parked, that's what the guns are at. Because you imagine being shot at, shot as a police officer. You get shot at, you're faking being a police officer, and you get shot as a police officer.

You're like, I'm actually just a drug dealer like you or a drug addict. Yeah. Unbelievable. You talk about drug dealers and stuff now I met one guy that I was absolutely fascinated by I'm not going to mention his name because I know he's he pulled it off

he just didn't collect the money yet okay this guy 50 years old I come up to him I'm watching I'm in the dorms just talk he comes up to me now this guy's scary look he's the only guy out of the hundreds of guys that I've seen that was like holy shit

this guy's scary he doesn't he barely talks to anyone minds his business he's he's becoming like a lawyer and studying his own case and he's like yo gee can I talk to you I was like sure

I got nowhere to go I got to be here for eight hours you want to tell me your story for eight hours I'll listen he's like I just need your patience right here listen to my case

and tell me how you would vote as a juror I said sure no problem he said because I'm 50 years old either I'm gonna either I'm gonna die here in jail

or I'm gonna be a multimillionaire I'm like Okay Now my antenna is raised to the Because I want to hear this So he starts breaking it down First of all

This guy allegedly Rumor has it That he kidnaps drug dealers kids Knows of France Knowing that they can't run to the cops Right So just give you an idea The caliber type of person is

I mean he walks anywhere In the housing area People make room They don't want to even touch his shoulder Because I think that He's one of those guys That could kill you He was bare hands, like real quick.

And he started showing me all the paperwork on, he's there on a murder charge and how the detectives messed up the paperwork. And he asked me how, like, well, it's impossible for me to be at this angle and there. I said, yeah, because you're a human. You cannot be at both spots at the same time. How the cops messed up the report that bad? and he was facing 25 to life and the prosecutors knew

that the paperwork didn't you know there's enough reasonable doubt in discrepancies in the paperwork right to create reasonable doubt they knew so they started offering him he was there already at that point for five years so they're like okay

how about you just take a plea deal and take the take down 15 or 17 and they just the plea deals started getting lesser and lesser lesser lesser lesser lesser Matt, when I met him, they had offered him, admit to it, and we'll let you go right now. Time served. He says no.

Because if he admits to the, if he accepts the time serve. He can't sue. Exactly. He can't get it for false imprisonment and everything. And New York is just under, at that time, I'm pretty sure the price has gone up. For false imprisonment, it was just under $800 a day. Jeez. Yeah.

So this was the ultimate gamble for him, and he won. He won. They eventually dropped the charges, or he went to trial and won? Not sure of one or the other. Somehow he made it out. Okay. Because you're not walking out of there on a murder charge. Yeah, they'll still take you to trial.

Right. Even if they know they're going to lose. Okay. Is that it? Yeah. So I just don't know. I can't tell you if he, actually took her to trial or did they just say oh my god we're going to embarrass ourselves just

drop the charges just drops let him go now that that's a possibility i just don't know if that's the exact one either way he's out that guy is out i would think they would take him to trial even if they lost because then they can they could they can still try and i don't know if they can't really appeal it because once you lose it depends anyway there's a chance they might win but go ahead so okay so but you don't know if he got paid well we know if you know if you got paid well we know when a collect and then that's going to

take years and years and years and so I think it was like late 2021 or early 2022 he was released

when I saw his thing I was like oh shit the motherfucker did it pulled it off holy cow and he asked

me how would I vote I said because the law says guilty beyond a reasonable doubt I said as a

juror I would vote I would say no not guilty but I told him I still think you did it right

no I told him straight out even though I was shitting in my pants but I still think you did it if you didn't do it you were part of the team something but legally from a legal standpoint the way the law is written you're not guilty by reasonable doubt but you know

beyond a reasonable doubt it's you're not guilty but I do believe you did it so like I say whenever you meet you make her if you are religious you're going to have to answer that one you were involved somehow whether you were a trigger guy or the guy who distracted the driver or whatever you're involved

but not and he beat it. Yeah, we'll talk about this guy. I'm sure the drug addicts over there. How did they deal with the drug addicts when you were there? In Coleman? I was in Coleman, his name of the prison. I was sorry. At Coleman, how did they deal with them? What do you mean? I mean, like, let's say the hardcore addicts that are going off because I would talk to some of these guys. I was always fascinated by some of the guys because obviously we all do drug addicts and stuff, but just to have to see one and then just hear how their lives go. I'm like, whoa, this is, this is wild.

So I was like, how much does it cost? So, you know, I don't know anything about the H drug. Right. I don't, you know, I really don't. I've heard of it. If you put it in front of me, I wouldn't know what it is. And I'm like, how much does it cost? And, like, how much does it cost a day to maintain your habit that you need?

This fat, white guy with a big beard. He's, like, $300 a day. I said, whoa, $300 a day habit? That's a lot. I don't, you know, if you mind, how do you afford 300 bucks a day? Yeah, maybe the ADW can afford it. Right. Yeah.

But there's 99.9% of the public cannot. Right. Like, how are you getting this? He's like, he, he breaks into cemeteries. He said, what? He goes to the mausoleum, and he swears on it. Now, he wasn't in there for these charges. Right.

Because he was in there for robbing a deli, a bodega. But I said, how do you get $300 a day and stealing shit? That's a lot. He says he could go into the cemetery, bare hands, no tools, by himself. Go to the mausoleum. I would struggle to say the name mausoleum. Am I saying it correctly? Rip out the door, either for the copper or the metal and sell it.

sell the weight. He could do that in minute and 20 seconds. He was swearing to it. Okay. And that's how he supplied. And he'd get whatever X amount of dollars for, for depending on the size and the weight of it. And that's how he supplied. That's how he supported his drug happened. $300 a day. Okay. You don't think the cops somehow piece this together that there's some kind of serial mausoleum door stealer. Right. So he says no, because he would just go to different cemeteries all over the place. Yeah. What are you going to do? Are you going to sit on a cemetery mausole, all of the cemetery mausoleums for a month straight to try and catch them. Like, what do they care?

Right, exactly. That was exactly his attitude. What are they going to do it? That's a cemetery's problem. Forced to create a task force to catch the door stealer. All right. Yeah, and I'm like, listen, man, salute to you. You're definitely creative.

What was it? What was the metal? Either copper or, like, whatever it's made out of. He'd go out there and just sell it. Like, go to the place that that. is there a market for this apparently you know do remember the Ford I want to say that they were

Ford F-150s or 250s or 350s whatever the the back so they had I don't think they do this anymore but the the tailgate yeah you could drop the tailgate so you can just go up to the one right now your next door neighbors boom take it down twist two little things

and pull off the tailgate the tailgates are like 400 bucks so there are guys that just they're just driving around stealing this was stealing them throwing them the back and then they'd go and they'd sell them to junkyards or whatever for a buck 50 yeah and so think about you could go get 10 of them like that's that that's that's that's 1500 bucks a night what was that taking that that's what they're doing with the cat like converters exactly it's taking these guys 30 seconds 30 you know what I'm saying

and and they're doing five six of them a night yeah yeah it's a good business if that's something that you want to get into I'm not me get shot you Yeah, to me, I'd be in Florida. Yeah, but over here, like, let's say, where we're at right now, you're going to get caught. But where I'm at in New York City... There's so much going on. Nobody would even notice that... They're like, oh, it's just a car theft.

Who cares? Oh, no, no. Yeah. No, I'm saying, yes. That's some people are looking at. The person that's been violated cares. No, in Florida, the cops will show up and hold the guy down while you shoot them. Like, they're not...

The sheriffs aren't playing. They're ready. The sheriffs are telling you, come get gun lessons, shoot these guys, drag them back into your fucking houses. Yeah. We're good. We're good. Yeah, we'll mess up the paperwork for you.

We'll tell him we got there. He'd shot the guy. He looked like a clean shoot. He was in the house. He was in the front yard. As long as you're still on the property. Yeah. It's very different in New York City.

That's ridiculous. They'll catch you 15 times doing that. I have a lot of NYPD friends and they get so frustrated. Even with gun charges, they're being released. They take it to the precinct, book them, you know, run the fingerpost and everything. Okay, just show up to court, you know, whatever date. Listen, I got a buddy right now who's, who's locked up, Zach, he's been locked up. How many months now? Probably four months,

three, four months. Yeah, four months. Yeah, four months. He's been locked up right now on a charge that. What's the charge? They're like, they were, he had, I, I'm assuming he had someone's ID and he'd gotten credit cards in their names or used their credit card information. He had like a fake ID, like literally, it's like a fake ID and a couple of credit cards. And he's still locked up. he's not getting bond oh in New York City you definitely would have been bond right there

no his bond he has that bond that's not true he has bond it's a hundred and eighty thousand dollar bond which means you got to put down close to 20 grand

to get him out and by the way even then they're like don't do it because you have a hold in another county so just waste of money yeah

so you're just going to sit there and they'll let him sit he's had another charge a couple years ago what was the other charge he had done eventually they dropped it but they kept him

in jail 14 months 14 months on a state charge in the county jail that's unbelievable I sent him money the whole time

it was locked up I mean it's just listen these guys they'll lock you up and you hear these guys you're like you got locked up

for like vagrancy for 90 days what the fuck is that what's that what's that? Oh in what county is it what the hell is that

is it pulk vagrancy yeah polk Polk County what's that what's that mean vagrancy I never heard of it

you're you're basically you're homeless you're you're not a lot it's it's illegal to be homeless you can't sleep you can't sleep on the park bench yeah you can't cannot no of course not no it's against law it's not against the law nothing's against the law absolutely i mean drive go go drive through Tampa and look at how many homeless people are there's maybe you could probably round them all up in a day maybe you'd get 40 there's a little camp underneath one overpass and where they've got they don't they don't have tins or anything because they're not going to let you put up a fucking tent.

You might for the day or something until they come and grab your tent. They'll just tear it up or take it away or tell you grab your shit and start walking. But there's only maybe a camp or two of 10 or 20 people. Out of all of, there's probably 40 or 50 people at max downstairs, maybe 60, maybe 60 throughout all of downtown Tampa

that are homeless, but if a cop pulls up, they're vaulting. Like they're standing up and they're walking. Like, they're never going to be laying down. Because if you're caught laying on a bench or sleeping on a bench or something, they'll either tell you to move or they'll or they'll or they could lock you up Jesus and Polk it's a charge like you can get a charge for it you can get a charge for

come to New York City no it's it's horrible and I've been to San Francisco LA it's it's insane you've got guys peeing and pissing in the street in front of everybody here they'll lock you up and charge you and you'll be registered as a sex offender you pull your shit out and take a piss on the side of the wrong what boom you're done your sex offender you're registering what if my kids saw that I mean, I get it I get the logic I'm just remember where I'm from

New York City very liberal Are you seen Haven't you ever seen the the so there's a There's a there's a I don't said CEO There's a sheriff he did a press conference And so one is Grady Judd

Greatie Judd's famous press conference And by the way great Judd gets elected Every two or three years he runs I mean 80% 90% a positive rating, like, just gets arrested. He's harsh. But, you know, I like him.

So he's a kind of C.O. He's a kind of guy that shows up at your door that you want to show up. He's not real particular. If you're a citizen. If you're a criminal, you hate his guts. But Grady Judd's famous thing is he did a press conference. And there had been, what was the issue again? The guy had shot a cop.

Somebody shot a cop. And he was, like, on the run. Yeah. And they were trying to find him. Right. And he escapes into a double, into, like, a trailer and they find him in the trailer. The cops fired into the trailer. Is it in the, or they fired at him?

They fired at him. I don't. Was it a hundred times? It was, it was excessive, whatever it was. So let's say that, so he's at a press conference talking about the shooting. You know, we tracked him down to this trailer, whatever. He was in the trailer. He was shot at the police officers from inside the trailer, whatever.

and we fired and killed him. And there was a liberal reporter who said, why did your officers fire into the trailer 120 times? And he said, because they ran out of bullets. Yeah. He said, dead. I did hear that. He said, evil can't be dead enough.

You fire at a police officer. He is, we will kill you. There's another, another chip. You can't be dead enough. You can't be dead. Wow. Evil can't be dead enough if you're fired. So the other thing is there's another.

press conference from a sheriff. Listen, there's probably a dozen of them. The other one was he did a press conference. He said, listen, we found a guy who's been arrested for burglary like six times, been incarcerated in the prison system two or three times. We found him dead in the street. We believe he broke into someone's house and they fired at him, shot him, and he escaped off their property and died in the street.

So we believe he was burglarizing someone's house, and the person shot him and killed him. He said, we're asking that person to come forward. He goes, you are not in trouble. And I don't know what county it was. Let's say it was Hillsborough County, just for, he goes, in Hillsborough. Turn yourself in, but you won't get in trouble. No, no. Oh, I guarantee you they won't.

Yeah. They said, you will not get in trouble. He said, we encourage our citizens to shoot burglars that are breaking into their house. He said, we encourage you. You are not in trouble. He said, what we'd like to do is give you free, free gun lessons because we would have preferred you kill him in the house. You apparently shot him and he got away. We'd like to give you shooting lessons for free.

He said, we do it every week. We give free shooting lessons at the sheriff's. He has a whole thing because the guy's been arrested six times for fucking birth. We know this. They got the right guy. Right. We know what happened. He's like, but, you know, he got away.

He's like, trust me, in this county, we prefer you to shoot. But anybody on your property that's breaking it. He said, but, you know, you didn't kill him. He stumbled away. You got to kill him right away. Yeah, they don't have a shoot. Yeah. So these guys, these sheriffs, they come out and they do these press conferences that are just, you know, there was an Uber.

There's an Uber driver that got mugged by a guy in the car and then got out of the car and the Uber driver pulled his gun, chased him down and killed him. They're like, why is he? They're like, chase him down and killed him. And so the reporter's like, why did, is he not under arrest? He's like, because he was robbed. And they're like, yeah, but he wasn't in danger. He's like, well, the guy had a gun. And he chased him down to recuperate his property.

And the man still had a gun. And so he fired on him. And that's, he's like, now in New York, that would be absolutely a no-no. You can't, you're not in danger anymore. Let him take your stuff. Here, you don't get to take my stuff. I'll explain to you the way he works in New York. Do you see what I'm saying?

Even first. Yeah, yeah. It's great. Yeah. If you're a citizen, if you're a good citizen, it's great. Even for us as officers, and again, remember I told you, the academy was like six months long, the gun training and the gun laws. And I'm explaining this to you. You cannot shoot someone legally in New York unless you totally ran out of options.

So, me and you are on the train. You pull a gun on me. I have my gun on me. let me not do you're about to beat me up i have to i have to be able to run first no no no no i hear you i understand that's new york i get right and i've explained to stand your ground here i don't have to do exactly exactly so there is no standing ground in new york you have to run out of options so i would have to run all the way to the corner of this room not have a window not have a door to exit out of and say don't take another step or i'll

I'm going to shoot. There has to be so many steps. Otherwise, my man, you're going in. In New York, even for us. That's ridiculous. Yeah. So, I mean, it feels like another country, another world right now with the way you're describing some of the stuff that I did not know.

I'll tell you what, though. What? People are very polite to officers here. Like, I see some of the people in these videos, like on TikTok and shit, where the guys are mouthing off to the cops and arguing, and I'm not getting out of the car. The fuck, I can see what I want. Listen, a cop shows up here. Yeah.

Yes, sir. What do you need officer? I am extremely polite to officers here because it can go bad for you very easily. Very easily. Yeah. So to me, I'm super respectful. But if he said, I want to search your vehicle. Of course you did.

I mean, of course you want to search it. I don't know why I didn't offer, officer. Let me get out. I'll cuff myself. Can I sit on the stoop here? Can I, where would you like me to wait? I mean, I'm extremely, but, you know, if you're a normal citizen, if you're a normal citizen, if you're a normal citizen, Grady Judge, the guy you want showing up. Right.

Because he's going to be cool with, you're the citizen, and what did that guy do that's on your property? What did that guy do to you and you called me? If you're the guy that called, you've, things are probably going to go your way. Yeah. You know, he's going to, they're going to give the, if you're, if you're the person calls him the problem, you got a fucking problem, you know? Yeah. Wow. Well, it's, I don't like that there's different laws, like, let's say, two different worlds between how Florida and New York, we're in America. We should all have one law. I know, but I just don't like this separation. Values are different. And that's the whole thing. That's why you have states and districts and federal. And, you know, and so I get what you're saying. I would love it. Look, the priorities of someone in California are vast. different than my priorities.

You know what I'm saying? Like, so I just, so I, you know, and I don't, you know, like there, in some ways, I think if you're homeless, you know, like sleeping on a park bench, in some ways I think to myself, like, come on, bro, the guy's just sleeping. He's, he's, he's a drug addict. He's got issues. In some ways, I think, come, you can't, you can't arrest him. But then in other ways, I think, but if you let him sleep here, then before you know

it it's it turns into a dozen then it's two dozen yeah then it's then it's a hundred then it's thousands and you have to raise your kids here like I have to raise my you know I have to raise my children here people have to raise their kids here and I don't want to see guys shooting up sleeping on park benches when my kids play in the quality of life yeah right so you go okay well what do you do well then you you back to the Grady Judd then we make it illegal we make it so difficult here for you you either clean your act up or you go sleep in the fucking woods where nobody can see you. And there are communities out in the woods.

Woods. Oh, yeah, they sleep in the woods. There's a, this place I worked at before we started doing this, like kind of out. Woods? Like, like, yeah. But you can sleep in the woods here. You can, because, well, you don't have woods really in. I'm just thinking, New York you do, but you'd freeze to death.

Yeah. Wait a sake, wait a second. It's camping. It's camping. I guess, yeah. Dude, this is another world to me, the way you guys describe it. So it's illegal to sleep on a park bench. but they say go whatever 100 feet into the woods to sleep there i don't have to see you there

and you're my kids don't see you there i don't want to have to see you there you know i don't want to see you sleep in on the park bench if you're paying if you're paying 20 30 40 000 a year into taxes i don't want to have to see guys shooting up in the alleyway or sleeping or getting drunk or pissing pulling their shit out and and taking a piss yeah i mean i don't want my kids see in it i get the logic but go in the woods it's just i get it's just i get the way the rules are being applied, that this is another world. I keep saying it. Geez, very different.

There's probably a mix. There's probably a, there's probably no decent, no good solution. In general, there's no good solution. Let's face it. Like, if you have mental, like most of these guys have mental health issues, right? So there's no good, there's not going to be a good solution for these guys in the end. But, and the drugs, oh, their drug, I see it, but their drug addicts, it's more than just addiction. It's mental, there's mental issues.

And the drug addiction is just a symptom of their problem. Their real problem is mental issue. And if you'd ever surveyed people to steal their identities, you would know this. So I've dealt with- I wish I was smart enough. Yeah, I've dealt with. My intelligence level is that a correctional officer? I've dealt with dozens and dozens of these guys.

You know, it's not that easy. You realize after about, by question number 10, you start to realize, like, oh, you're not all there. Right. You're perfect. You're never cleaning your act up. I'm going to be able to borrow millions in your name. You're not going to think of it's up.

I always gravitate towards, too. The guys who just think outside the box, there was a guy that I met. I mean, he eventually lost it. I mean, he lost his argument. No, no, not his case, but his argument. So you know how they say you have a right to a jury of your peers? He was challenging that.

You don't want a jury of your, or he couldn't find a jury of peers? No. didn't exist. No. His logic, which is, is, whoever you put up there is not a jury of my peer. I don't care who it is.

You want to say whether it's my age group, my skin color, my religion, where I went to school, whatever it is, they're not my peers. And like, well, why not? He says, a jury of my peers, if they can't talk their way out of jury duty, they're not my peer. That's not true.

That's so stupid. I get the logic Yeah But keep mind Some people want to be on jury duty I get it But then you're not my peer That's okay

That's just silly That you're asking for a perfect equivalent That's not gonna happen I agree But Peer is not perfect equivalent I agree I love the way

Again The lawyer talk All right I was gonna say I actually So I was on federal probation Right And I got a jury duty

summons I was thrilled I thought how cool Like what a great story this is gonna be If I go down there, you know, but they did, when I called them, I said, look, I want to serve. And they were like, okay, my name is Matt Cox of the, okay. They were like, okay, so what does it say?

And I was like, well, here's the problem is that, you know, I am on federal probation and I have a felony. They go, yeah, you don't have to show up. I said, no, no, I want to show up. They said, no, you can't show up. Do not show up. I was like, oh, okay. I wanted to show up for the, what did they pay, $15 a day? It's not the $15 a day.

I figured you don't need the money. No, it's going to be, it's going to, it's going to, it would just have been like to go through the process to be, and to be sitting on a jury and for once be sitting on a jury and listen to the whole thing and think to myself, like, is that fair? You know, like, what if it was a criminal case and they're putting people up there that are some guy who was locked up in jail with the guy and he's and I'd be like, I don't really know if I believe this guy. This guy will say anything. And so their main witnesses are three guys that say they were in a cell and he admitted to the murder. Like, come on, you guys. Like, is he really going to admit to the murder? Of course not.

You know, so I wanted to be able to go through that. And now, look, it's different. It's like, look, we got videotape. We've got cell. Like, look, he's done. He did it. Absolutely. Right.

You know, but give me something more than some guy's word or some, an eyewitness. Because, by the way, an eyewitness, worst, worst witness against you. eyewitnesses, it's, it's, they're extremely unreliable. Absolutely. So, but people. And we're all guilty. Oh, he saw it. He saw him.

You know, you know, what he saw. I, I saw two guys one time when I was about 19 years old. I saw two black guys break into a car. When I got out of my car, I yelled, hey, that's your car? One guy looked at me goes, yeah, I said, no, that's not your fucking car, bro. I started walking towards him like an idiot. Yeah. You know, I'm 19.

I'm jacked up on steroids. I'm squatting 405. I'm binging 315. You're really? Oh, I was massive when I was like 19 years old. Really? Oh, yeah. I would have never guessed.

Oh, I was like 200 pounds and pumped full of steroids. I was massive. So started walking towards him. Like, I don't know what I was going to do. He was still, you know, there were still two black guys that were probably, here's the problem. I want to say 510, 511, but they could have been both 6 foot 2. They could have both been 5 foot 8.

They were just a little bit taller than me. I didn't get closer because they both bolted. When they saw me coming, they bolted. They bolted. And I was here in Florida? Here in Florida. Okay. At the mall, back when you had malls and you went to malls, I was 15 feet away from the closest guy.

I go inside. I called the police because there was no cell phones and we had pagers. Call the police. The police show up. At the same age group. Yeah. Police show up. I tell them what happened.

As we're there waiting, the owner of the vehicle comes and sees what happens. Yeah. They take my account, their account. And when the guy that was taken, the car that was taken, cop that was taking the report yeah he said do you know what they look like and i was like they were maybe roughly five 10 five foot 10 each one of them thin black guys and he goes could you pick them out of lie it out and i went no and he goes what he said well what else any other characteristics i said they were black guys and he goes he goes anything distinctive about him i said

honestly bro i said you could have been one of them no offense yeah i said you could i said i i don't know He was like, and he was like, well, you were, and we were standing where I was. He's like, you were right here. And I was like, I couldn't tell you what they look like. Like my adrenaline spiked. They stood up. They looked at me. I said, he's like, how old were they?

I was like, you got the good skin, bro. They could have been, they could have been 15 years old. They could have been 35 years old. I mean, that's the span for a black guy on what they, their age is 20 years. Unless they have gray hair and they're bald, then I would say in these 50s, but they both had a full head of, you know, they had a crop top, the crop cut hair cups. Like, I don't know. Right.

So, and I, listen, and I was just, I looked. Like, if you'd line them up, I'd have been like, I fucking don't know. But from an adrenaline witness perspective, I know how difficult it is. And look, those two guys could have been white guys. Yeah. I don't think I could have told it. Same thing. I would have been like, I don't fucking know.

My adrenaline spiked. I saw them for a second. They looked up. Yeah, the one guy I was focusing up. The other guy, I don't know. I could never tell you what that guy looked like. this guy was you know whatever like if he was been looking right at me maybe i could i don't think i could but if you said are you 100% sure i would have had to say no and so can you imagine if you were

on you were on trial for your life for murder and you have some guy that saw you from 40 feet away for two seconds and the jury is relying on that guy to say you were the guy at the crime seat holding the gun yeah unless he knew you prior the only way if you're a total strangers yeah Then throw it out the window. Correct. Total stranger. Yeah. Now it's different if, no, no, that's my buddy Jimmy.

That's different. That's not the same. Totally different. But that's where the problem is that's what happens is a jury gets there and you've got some guy that says, yeah, that was him. You saw him from 40 feet away for two seconds. Yeah. This guy's going to remember his face, uh, 18 months from now at trial?

Right. I don't think so. You're 100% sure. Oh, no, absolutely 100% sure. No, you're not. You're lying. That's not true. How many victims who clearly.

spent a significant amount of time with the race. Say, oh, no, absolutely, that's him. And then five years later, 10 years after the guy's gone to prison, they get the DNA back, not him. And then they're like, oh, and then they catch the real guy. And then he says, oh, yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, she's one of my victims. But this other guy that did 10 years.

You went to trial. You looked him in the face. You said 100%. Right. And that happens all the time. How many of those guys do 15, 20 years? And their life is ruined. Ruined.

How much money you give them? because everyone's going to look, I'm like, somehow you managed to beat your ass and you beat the charges. Absolutely. Yeah. And you could never get that back. So I just thought it would be cool to go and sit on a jury as a felon having gone through. Not that I have any bias,

but by being able to say, I know the system inside and out and I'm... The non-lawyer. I'm lying. I'm sorry, lying. I'm dying to, I'm dying to see how this plays out with my, probably, I like to say non-biased, but with my understanding

of how the system is manipulated. If people really understood the law and followed it to the T, we would barely get any convictions. Oh, absolutely. Look, if people stopped, I love these guys who are always like, you shouldn't snitch.

If you didn't have snitches, 95% of the cases wouldn't be solved. You wouldn't want to, one, you wouldn't survive. You wouldn't want to live in that society and you couldn't survive in that society because people could just walk in and kick in your fucking door and rob you and do whatever

and guys aren't rolling over on each other and guys aren't snitching each other out and guys are, it'd be complete panammonian. Totally agree. Very few cases are ever solved just on, based on superb police work and nobody snitching.

Very few cases are ever solved like that. No. Very few. Maybe with DNA, but that's very few. Yeah, but that's very few. You can work around that. To not leave DNA. Yeah.

If you're a smart criminal. It's a horrible system. Yeah. What was it? Do you say something like nothing's perfect? Yeah, there's no perfect solution. Yeah, there's no perfect solution to anything. You know what I'm saying?

Is our system flawed? Yes. Does it make errors? Absolutely. But I don't have a solution. No. No. I'm not right enough for that.

No, you're just trying to get, you're just trying to try to get your, what's, your reasonable compensation for for a I don't want to say it's not illegal act it's a violation of your of your civil rights which makes it illegal yeah I guess so yeah maybe civilly

I don't know how to say it I'm not civilly yeah you don't want anybody to go to jail I just want to get just pay me what I'm owed that's it did just give me the money it's only money Matt yeah at the end of day that's all it is I'm not looking to take your freedom yours or anybody it's just money we're giving it away to other countries anyway. That's not an argument.

Don't use that argument. No, but I'm just saying. And I just want what's rightfully mine. I don't want a penny more. I'm not looking for charity. Right. Because had they not made that decision to cut you loose, you'd still be working there.

Absolutely. Right. And I want to go back. Right. I want to. Aren't they trying, listen, I talked to a guy the other day that contacted me. And there's some commission that he's a part of that's trying to close Rikers Island.

They've been trying to do that for forever. I mean, put it this way. For a developer, if you have like these billions of dollars, it's actually beautiful land. Yeah. You get a clear, clear, crisp look of the Manhattan skyline,

New York City skyline, and LaGuardia Airport is literally one baseball throw away from there. Is it loud, though? Aren't the planes going over you? They're going all over New York City. I mean, Manhattan, Manhattan from the Rikers Island, if you're a bird, you know, from thing. Yeah. It's what, two, three miles?

All right. So they have to, they have to bulldoze the, they have to drop the prison and build a, some, it's not, it's actually so many buildings. I don't even know how many, whatever, I'd only be guessing, but there dozens of buildings all over, all over the island. So they bulldoze, all of them, and turn it into a condos. Exactly, high-rise. And I can see that happening at some point.

because some developers are just going to pay off the politicians say, you know, do something because the land is just too beautiful and it's being wasted on on a jail. Criminals. Yeah.

And infrastructure is horrible. It wasn't built well? No, no, no. I mean, maybe it was built well when it was built. But like anything else, it needs to be maintained and stuff and it is terrible.

It really is. It's almost ancient. Did you ever see the movie Carlito's Way? yeah many times he escapes rikers the one guy escapes rikers that's okay look can you escape i'm looking on a picture of it right now yeah there's a little island with one bridge long bridge the only way you could do it the only way you have to be beyond wealthy and you have to find an array of officers all willing to take give up their pensions like i say give everybody a million

dollars in cash right so like the housing area officer the officer the officer as you leave the housing area officer it's a movie just do remember that yeah yeah listen in the movie Carlito's way

there's a corrupt lawyer and he's got a client who's a mobster and the mobster has paid off a guard we know at least one guard but it's got to be several and then they get him

in the water and he swims to a buoy and he needs his lawyer who's already stolen over a million dollars from him in the 70s he's going to take his boat and meet him at the buoy

so he meets him at the buoy gets him on the boat and then he can go he can take him away and he escapes so that's supposed to be the plan but in the movie the guy does get to the buoy

right he's a fat mobster gets to the buoy the guy goes with his takes his boat meets him there and then takes I don't know what kind of a device or a pole or something

and just hits him in the head a bunch of times basically kills him and drowns him. He's super fat. Drowns him in, what is it, Hudson? I think it's called the East River. In the East River. And he drowns him. And then he gets on the boat and he takes the boat back.

And because he did steal a million dollars. He doesn't want to save this guy. He actually did do it. Yeah. He feels like he might be murdered. So he kills him in the Hudson. So, or East River. So, yeah. So anyway, so yeah, it's a movie. I know it's a movie.

Okay. So that's the only way. You'd have to pay off three or four or five, six guards to be able to make that happen. Everybody had to be perfectly aligned. And then, but then someone would have to call the alarms and then the NYPD would be alerted on the surrounding areas. I mean, it's a movie. Right. It looks good for Hollywood, but it's upsetting. Disappointing.

Because I can't tell you how many years I spent daydreaming about escaping prior to, like when I initially got arrested, I spent a good year dreaming about going to a camp and escaping or going to a low and escaping until I actually got to, then they sent me to a medium and I realize you're not getting out of here. You went to the low and I thought you're still not getting out of here. Like, you know, the whole time you're realizing like, oh, no, they got this locked down. They know what the fuck they're doing. At the end of the day, it's not even worth it. I guess every the factor in and age and stuff,

but for the extra time that you're going to get for it. You're going to get two or three years extra. If you're looking at 30 or 20, risking two or three years, if it's a camp in the federal system, if it's a camp and you walk away, you don't get almost any time you might get a month or two what yeah you incentivize then right but you have to think you have to have less than 10 years to go to a camp so most guys that go to a camp

only have a few years so leaving to be on the run the rest of your life why wouldn't I just and by the time they go to a camp by the way they've probably already been through the process they got arrested they didn't get out on bond so they've already done maybe a year they get sentenced they go to a camp for, let's say they get three years. You already did a year. Now you go to a camp. You already get good times. You got 18 months to go. Do you escape? I would say no. I would say no. I'd say you do it. Yeah. It's like a camp. Stay there. Yeah. It's like a shitty high school. Yeah. So stay there. I'm going to hang out here for 18 months. Matter of fact, honestly, 18 months, probably in a year, they're going to send me to a halfway house.

And I'm going to do. That's even worse. Yeah. And keep me at the camp. Yeah. They'll put me on an ankle monitor, though. And a lot of times they'll just send you home. Yeah. you know so so there's just no reason to there was a guy that this kid um actually felt bad for him uh he's a tie-in from queens and he kind of gravitated towards me because i'm albanian and he kind of spoke arbanian a little because in the area of queens that he grew up in there's a lot of abanians so and he's and he's talking i was like dude what are you charged he says murder i'm like you're not no murder right you know what i'm saying

because i see he's like like really like an innocent type of kid I was like, dude, would you get drunk or high or something? Your girlfriend cheated? You killed her? Like, what's going on? Yeah, something reasonable. No, but things happen. You always say, like, oh, no, little Johnny, I can't believe he did that.

Yeah, well, he walked in. His girl's getting, you know, banging his best friend. Right. And he happened to have a gun. That's the only thing I could think of, and he's like, no, even worse. Earth, what you told him? He said he was riding one of those, like, ATVs, the illegal ones, at least in New York City, I don't know about it over here in Florida.

he's just out there riding it as a group and he makes a turn and he ends up hitting a Chinese food delivery guy on a bicycle the guy was not wearing a helmet he falls, bangs his head on the floor and dies vehicular manslaughter

that's what it is but because the vehicle was illegal they're saying since you're driving it and they're considering that commission of a crime they charge, yep, they up charge them to murder. Stupid. No, I agree. So then I'm like, okay, that makes sense.

They were with the murder charge. But then now, since we're on the subject of escaping, at that point, I met him when he was at Rikers Island, but he was held in Brooklyn House, which is on a major street, right? Just like a regular building. And he didn't, because this is how much of a non-criminal the guy is, he doesn't realize that those phones are tapped. They listen to every single word you say.

He had no clue. He calls his friends and says, I'm at such and such a location, whatever the street is. I've never been to that building. I'm at the third floor window. I need you to get a bazook and shoot me out of here.

He's just an idiot. I died laughing. I'm like, dude, you got to be fucking kidding me. You said this on the phone. with them listening. Was he expecting them to go to the bazooka store? And I said, forget about that. You hang around with people who have access to bazookas?

He doesn't hang around with anybody's got out. He's not an idiot. Yeah, yeah. But he got charged with the fucking, what do you call it? Attempted escape? Yeah. Or planning this, whatever it is. I'm like.

Conspiracy to. Something along those lines. There's the extra charge on top of the murder. I was like, the murder, you're going to be able to talk it down to. Yeah, he's going to get a few years. five years, 10 years? Yeah, he was already there for like two or three. In Florida, I think he'd probably get 14 years

for a vehicular manslaughter first time unless he'd probably get about that. And he told this friend on the phone, I don't care if I die, but I need you to shoot me out of it. He was on the third floor, he said, to shoot him out of there. The drama.

Yeah. Now, you really had no idea that someone's listening to this phone call. Yeah. Stupidity. You're comfortable? Right. You're not going in here.

Put in for a two-man cell, join a softball, one of the softball team. Yeah. Sign up for the H-back class. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not going anywhere. You can't snitch on anyone on this one. Right. Find a good series, a good, a series of books that you like that you can write. Start reading the, what is it, the Game of Thrones series.

Yeah. Like, get the first book. Yeah. Yeah. Unbelievable. J.R. Tolkien, start reading this stuff. Get into the Hobbit. like it's it's going to be a long long ride right right right so he innocently goes there

innocently like to me he didn't go try me and anybody hurt anyone with a with a moped or whatever the device is called yeah ATV what do you call ATV or the quad yeah four well as we call it yeah whatever yeah whatever it is he didn't you know he didn't have any kind of intent to go hurt anyone you know just joyriding with his friends and then they snitched on him because he did he's there's no license plate it wasn't registered right oh so he took off also yeah hit the guy and ran so yeah so so the cops are able to series of bad decisions on his part yeah yeah and then the cops were uh figured out that oh that blue blue one right there that look that's the guy

who lives down the street no pressure on him and it wasn't me was that guy yeah and they got him i hear you like we said earlier it's typically out cases yourself little jimmy's got to go I wasn't on it I wasn't on it I wasn't driving it Jimmy got it Jimmy was driving it Yeah I'm not

I'm not taking his murder charge They knock on the door And open the door You know why we're here I said Because Jimmy hit that Chinese dude Yeah I do

I'm such I was gonna call you At least you're honest About it Most very few people Would be as brutally honest as you are But I'm not even

Going downtown for your ass What you're saying Happens 90% of the time Yeah People come out and lie You say I ain't tell them shit I always say 90% of inmates cooperate, but 100% lie about it.

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