Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Robbery Gone Wrong! | The Downfall Of Atlanta's Arms Dealer

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

Robbery Gone Wrong! | The Downfall Of Atlanta's Arms Dealer

I just made $50 turn to $100. And I think that day right there is the day that, like, caused me a lot of problems for the rest of my life. The plan was to get the guns to this other truck that I had. And when we got to that truck, we're going to swap everything out. And I'm going to burn this truck up that I just drove through the pawn shop with. My brother, he's bugging out. So he gets out the car and just takes off running from us. Like, y'all are crazy.

We get away. We really set that truck on fire, burning up. And we get into another truck and we drive home. my brother has gotten picked up by the cops. He told everybody but me. Yep, he's been picked up and he told him that two white guys kidnapped him and made him rob and storeb it down.

Stupidest shit ever. So I just knew to watch the cops. I knew what shift they were. I watched your wife go to work. I know what time she's coming home from work. It's a small town. I'm watching. So I know that you got a six hour of one.

window for right here. Like, this is this is some funny shit. It has been times that I would know my window was long and I would break in a cop house and it cooked me some food and shit. I took the guns and I went crazy with my camera phone.

The same stupid on my space? On MySpace. I was the first guy to go viral and go to jail. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and we're going to do an interview with Ramirez Gravel. He is a former, I'm going to go with a gunrunner, and he's got an interesting story. So check out the video. Where were you born?

I was born in Augusta, Georgia, 1983. My mom and dad moved to Minnishville, Georgia, around about when I was, I want to say, eight years old, maybe nine. Do you have any brothers or sisters or anything like that? Yep. So I grew up with one sibling. He named is Christopher Grable, and we grew up in the same home, same mom, same dad. My dad went out and had a child out of lot with it, I mean, out of wet lot. He went to have a child out of wet lot, and I had another brother.

And we grew up in a small town, Middisfield, Georgia. It's probably like 30 minutes south of Atlanta, 45 minutes south of Atlanta. It is very, very small town, but it's very urban. It's a lot of blacks. You know, Georgia has a lot of blacks anyway. So I just grew up in a small town, but I did not grow up on the black side of town. I grew up on the side of town with the white kids because I was fortunate enough to have a mom and the dad and so forth. So as time goes on, my mom and dad are working a lot of hours.

I'm getting a little older, so they're not home as much. So at age like 12 or 13s, when I started really like, let me go outside, let me see what's going on outside, you know what I'm saying? So that turned out. kind of crazy because now that everybody in my neighborhood knows that my mom and dad is never home so my house is you know the hangout house you know you got that friend whose house is like go to his house it's the cool house his mom dad never there that was kind of like my house so um this is how i get into guns but i'm going to give you a quick back story of just how i get into the situation so while i'm outside hanging with my friends i meet this dude and he says that he has a friend that has marijuana so i'm like all right cool we're going to try to smoke some weed today At this time, I'm like 13. So the dude with the marijuana lives in another neighborhood in this same little town. So we go get the weed and we hang out for maybe 30, 40 minutes. And my mind is just blown away because, mind you, I've been in the country and the suburbs my whole life.

And this is my first time going to like a city where it's like real hoods. I haven't never seen this shit before in my era. And I'm young. So my mind is blown away. Dudes outside walking around. I used guns and everybody smoking weed and girls walking around. You know, it's just that's just you see on TV type hood environment. So I instantly was attracted to that.

So I started going back over there hanging around. It was me, two of my white friends from my neighborhood, and the dude I now met in this other neighborhood. We found a little group. We started hanging out. Boom. So my first way of getting money was just hushling crack. Because that's what everybody was doing in his neighborhood that was hustling crack.

So I'm like, how do you do that? Like, give me the game. You know, I'm going to make some money. So he's like, listen, it's simple. I'm going to give you five of these for $10 a piece. They sell for $20 a piece on the block. All you got to do is give me $50 to go outside and make you $100. I'm 13 years old.

I can't believe this shit. I went outside. It should happen. It worked. I made some money. I'm like, wow, I just made $50 turned to $100. And I think that day right there is the day that, like, caused me a lot of problems for the rest of my life. life like up until a few years back that day right there like it was so crazy to me how my mom

and dad worked hard for their money they get paid once a week I can go outside and make 50 turn to 100 debt quick not thinking about the consequence I'm just a young a young mind so uh times going on and um I'm getting just more and more into the street life so we started breaking in cars and that's how my gun journey first started we started breaking in cars and this is in Georgia in the mid-90s, no cameras and no iPhones and no doorbell cameras and none of that stuff going on in the mid-90s. So we really out here just going crazy. So we're finding guns.

Now, in the town that I live in, the city, Middishville, Georgia, you can Google this. Midageville, Georgia, it's one of the worst gang-infested cities in Georgia. It's bloods, it's crips, it's GDs, and every gang in the world is in that small time. except I told you I'm not from their area I live in the suburbs so we're breaking in cars we're getting all the guns the dudes in school like yo we need the guns because they gang bang so you know I get known in the streets for selling drugs and I have guns every now and then so all the dudes who gang bang come to me and get their guns so I never forget this man couple years go by and it's just you know breaking their cars they turn to breaking their houses

And then we got kind of schlicht with it. We were like, you know what? A cop live right there. So we break in the cop house, it's for sure some guns going to be in there. That's a bad idea. Crazy shit, but we're young, but we didn't even 17 yet. And like I said, cameras and all that stuff

wasn't really popular back then, especially in Georgia is very, very poverty-stricken place, except Atlanta. Atlanta is the only, Atlanta and Savannah, maybe the only two cities in Georgia that really has. some money and it's thriving so anyway start doing that um started breaking in cops houses getting their shotguns they are x-d handguns and just crazy stuff um so i'm known for that now

i'm the gun guy and i'm the guy with the whatever you want i can get it so i never forget this man i say maybe it's 2000 now it's the year of 2000 i'm probably 18 and this is true story This is facts. Like, we're watching Set It Off the movie. Me, my brother, my white friend, and his brother. His name is Ronnie Holder. Shout out Ronnie Holder. He's doing life right now.

Oh. Yeah, he, you know, some people just never leave that life alone, you know. So, but he's doing life right now in Georgia State Prison. So are we watching Set It Off? And we're just amazed that they really drove a truck through this bank and rode the bank. You like, that shit was so cool to us. And like, I can really say this, and I want to say this. All that shit I was doing back then, bro, a lot of it had to do with my intake, which was rap music and these crazy-ass movies that were coming out, Memphis Society, Boys in the Hood.

That shit is, like, bad on the child, you know what I'm saying? So my intake is like, I'm not knowing that these guys is acting and these rappers is acting. I think they're doing this shit for real that they're talking about, you feel me? Right. So I'm doing this shit for real, you know what I'm saying? So you watch and set it off, we're like, that shit's cool. We should just go break in the pawn shop and just get out of guns at the pawn shop. And in Georgia, most of the pawn shop sell guns because, you know,

they got very lenient laws in Georgia with the kind of firearms. So you can get a firearm in any local pawn shop or any corner. They have guns in there. And so we're going to break in the pawn shop. We're going to drive a truck through the pawn shop at night. we're going to get out of guns and we're going to pull off like set it off that's what we're thinking out here so um one night we in the room just smoking and me I always been like uh ahead of my time like my thinking when I always was on an adult level like I always thought on an adult level

so I'm like I'm in the room one day and I'm just putting this plan together this is something we talked about but we haven't put any action to it but in my head I'm really trying to put this plan together because I just want to do this shit So I put the plan together Like listen It's a 4x4 truck Up the street at this used car lot This back 2000

They still had the key box To the cars on the windows of the cars So the car keys Is actually on the side of the window Of the car in a little box It's got that little key That only they got Yep

So you got to break into the box Once you get it off the window Exactly So that night I wanted to do that job because I really didn't want to drive through the pawn shop and I made the plan and I knew that if I did this one part was to get the main truck I got in you feel me so I went in got the key box off the truck took it back home with me broke inside of it obviously um and um this car lot that I stole this car from was called

junior's auto sale and it had like a wooden fence around it, not like metal, but it was like an old Western theme. It was like logs on top of logs to make a fence type thing. So you could like just pull that shit out the ground basically, for real. Like, so that night came, I took the truck. I pulled it loud out the ground. I drove the truck off. This truck really was like a monster truck almost.

Like it had those big ass mud tires on it. It's the perfect sheets that you want to drive through a building with. You feel me? So my brother and my two friends, they can't bleed their eyes. Like, yo, you're fucking crazy. You really got the truck. I'm like, what's up? What we're going to do?

We're going to do this here to what? So them, my friend, Ronnie, his brother, and my brother, they agreed to get in the truck and go do it. I'm going to meet them after the robbery and another truck up the street. So what happened is this. They go. They try to just ram the door one time. It really didn't work that good.

because they're scared to just like give it all they got so by the time they did get into the building the cops was kind of like alerted but they got away with a whole bunch of guns assault rifles pistols glocks nine i didn't even know they made nine millimeter rifles i didn't know they made like all these crazy shit this is back when tech nines were popular and stuff like that and um we took a lot of that stuff and um the plan was to get the guns to this other truck that I had. And when we got to that truck, we're going to swap everything out and I'm going to burn this truck up that I just drove through the pawn shop with. It's a great idea, right? My brother's freaking out. He's like, no, bro, y'all going too far. You're going too far. I don't want no process

that crazy. So you're going to blow the truck up. Yeah, we've got to burn the truck up. My brother, he's bugging out. So he gets out the car and just takes off running from us. Like, y'all are crazy. I mean, that's not, that's no worse than already breaking in the pawn shop with the guns. I mean, You're past the point in no return. We've passed the point in over the turn. We've just leave it there with your print on it. We got to get rid of this truck. It got too many ways to track it back to us.

But my brother, this is first time. He really never even hangs with me at this point. When I'm in the streets doing what I'm doing, my little brother don't really hang with me. But this one time, he's like, he wanted to go. So he jumped out the truck and run. So we get away. We really set that truck on fire, burning it up.

If we get into another truck and we drive home, my brother has gotten picked up by the cops. For what? Walking from a crime scene. Is that illegal? Black walking from a crime scene. But it's a small town. Right.

You know, it's a small town. It's a young guy walking the same direction that this robbery just got called in. So it's the true story. I'm not going to say my brother's name on camera. but they picked my brother up, and he told everybody but me. I mean, couldn't he just said, I'm just walking. Like, it was just, what are you doing? I'm walking.

They scared him. They got him, and he's a kid, man. He's just turned 17. I'm 18. He's a year younger than me. You're going to jail for 10 years. We know you did it. We have surveillance photos.

There's what two people saw you get dropped off. We know that the crazy part about it. And Billy did it. The crazy part about it, that place they have no cameras at all at that time. Yeah. I know that, but your brother doesn't know, you know, there was a camera on the McDonald's across the street. We got another one on the, you know, they just lie to you.

And you just start telling. So we get back home and we got bulletproof vests. We got guns, we got all this shit. And, like, my heart, my adrenaline is from the pawn shop. From the pawn shop. Okay. They sell uniforms for cops, equipment. It's like a, it's a pawn shop slash gun store.

Okay. But if anybody who's watching from Georgia, they can voucher, like y'all seen those, it's a pawn shop slash gun store in the same business. I'm in Florida. They sell guns and all the pawn shops. They all got guns. They'll buy pretty much anything that they think of they can sell. So it was that kind of set up.

It was also, like, police-friendly. They had, like, uniforms and vests and tactical shit. So we get back home, and we're not even thinking about my brother at this point. We kind of put this shit up in safe places. We pick what we want. You get this. You get that long story short. So now we send back chilling and smoke.

Like, hold on. What the fuck my brother is? So I'm tripping out now. What my brother is? So my two homeboys with the other truck. They were like, we're trying to go find him. I'm like, man, I ain't getting back in that truck with y'all tonight. That shit is just not going to happen.

Like, no, I don't think we should go back out there. They're like, man, it's your brother, man. They might be, we got to go find him. I'm like, y'all go find him, bro. I'm going to cheer right here. Like, they leave, not knowing that my brother has been picked up. And he told them that I was with two other white guys. So wait a second.

He said they kick. Go ahead. Okay, look, I'm saying, isn't the truck fucked up? How are they, you still driving the truck? truck it's not damaged you remember i said we the truck that we drove we switched out to another truck oh okay i missed that sorry i missed that go ahead we burned that truck up yeah i thought you hadn't burned the truck yet yeah we got all you said was your brother got he got out and got picked up i didn't i thought you guys are still driving around the same right okay i was moving too

fast sorry go ahead so yeah so when my brother got out and ran we just went on with the operation we had another truck set up somewhere where i was in the other truck right They come back to me, like your brother, he piled ass on us. He didn't want no more. So when they get back to me and the other truck, my brother's not with us no more. He's walking. Boom. Now, we switch trucks.

We lead that truck in, like, a wooded area. We set it on fire. We get in this truck, go back to my mom house. Okay. Because they're looking for the red truck probably, you feel me? So we go back to my mom house. And when we get there, we separate things, split stuff up, you know what I'm saying? And after we're chilling for a little while, we're like, what the fuck my brother at?

So they want to go find them. I don't. I'm scared of shit still. I just can't believe I just did this crazy-ass shit. And at this point, you hear the sirens, you hear the police cars. You see the light. Like, this shit was like, this is no lie, bro. The worst idea ever.

That shit was like half a mile from my house where we did this at. Right. So I hear out, you see all the action going towards that way. I'm like, no way. I'm going to find him right now So they want to go find him And I guess they also want to go take their guns home That they got out of the deal

So when they leave They don't know that my brother's been picked up Yep He's been picked up And he told him that two white guys Kidnap him And made him rob a storeby then Stupidest shit ever

Okay I'm sure the cops They didn't believe that They didn't believe that They didn't fuck no So That night nobody came back to me.

I'm like, what the fuck? And I'm too young to like, I'm not about to call it around to the jails and shit. I'm just like, I feel like something bad happening, but I don't know. And we're young, so I'm like, what the fuck? So probably that next morning, like 9 o'clock, cops come to my house, knock on the door.

They try to get me to tell them something. They know for sure, but you know something. Everybody left your house last night. We know that they went to rob this story. you wasn't with him, we know that, but you got to know what the guns are. You got to know something. I don't know shit about shit.

I wasn't with them. I don't know nothing. They pressed me, take them to the station and try to scare me up. I ain't break. And luckily, my two friends, the two other brothers, they didn't tell on me.

But they're mad. And just called on my phone, like, your fucking brothers are right? I'm like, yo. So I'm still free. They write me a letter and tell me, all the other guns are i tell you bro i ain't never had no shit like that in my life like people to this day who know me for that like bro you're one crazy motherfucker like i had so

many guns and so what happened was um i started i was selling guns to everybody everybody who all the game rival game members who needed guns i got what about what about your two the two guys like are they did they what they what happened to them they're in jail right now oh for that Not today, but in this story. Okay. At this point, they're still just in jail. Yeah. So they haven't been sentenced.

They didn't get bond? No, not yet. Not anything. All right. So they're in jail. Both of those guys was on probation. My brother was not on probation, but he had a bond that was ridiculously high, and my mom couldn't make it. So he had to sit in jail for a while.

So I started moving the guns. I'm selling the guns and just being crazy with it. So that right there started me on like, I want to say like I was branded. Like I'm the gun guy and they felt good to me that everybody needed me for something. Like they felt good to me. So I got to keep this going. I got to figure out how to keep this going. So what happens is they get sentenced to like.

five years each plus with georgia back then georgia gave you a sentence like this 20 serve five okay 20 serve five is is a 20 year sentence you're going to serve five and the other 15 is on probation 15 years of probation yeah that's how they trick you in Georgia that's how they get in trouble at all you can go back for the whole thing right yes all right you know what I'm saying but they have to that charge they had to give you 20 years for that charge but you don't have to serve it in prison you just have to get that number

you see what I'm saying so that's 20 serve 5 my brother ended up getting 10 years probation he ended up coming home he told you know what I'm saying I understand you feel me I'm not going to say his name

on here but he told so he ended up coming home on probation now a few months go by. All the guns I had are gone, but my phone's still ringing. I'm still hungry for money. I got to keep this shit going. So eventually, at some point, I joined the gang, the Crips. Game Bangor was getting more and more popular in Georgia. It was growing. It was growing.

Eventually, I just got into it. I started hanging on the other side of town more than where I grew up at at this point. So now I'm just all in. I started gang banging. And from that point, I started teaching younger members how to break in police houses. You still police guns. Specifically police? Specifically police because they got a lot of shit. Because I'm young and dumb, but I haven't been caught yet. Yeah.

You got to think about that. Yeah. So you still think you're invincible. You still think, like, they ain't going to catch me. I'm too smart. I'm too good. Everybody that before you go to jail, you think it can't happen to you. Yeah.

can't happen to me. Those other guys went to jail because they're stupid. Not me. Not me. I'm making other people do it. I'm not going to do it. Yeah.

You know? So, yeah. And a lot of the neighborhood cops, they were mad about that shit too. Because, like I said, back then, it wasn't no doorbell camera. It wasn't no iPhones. It wasn't none of that technology.

And they had a home system back then was probably kind of expensive. So I just knew to watch the cops. I knew what shift they were. I watch your wife go to work I know what time she comes home from work It's a small town I'm watching so I know it

You got a six hour window for right here Like this is some funny shit It has been times That I would know my window was long And I would break in the cop house And it cooked me some food and shit This is real tough Listen that makes them hate you

Like that's the kind of shit That makes them hate you I'm not proud of this shit, you know what I'm saying? But this is the story that is crazy. So, man, I'm doing that. I got a lot of, lot of stripes in this game, because I was the guy that could get the weapons and stuff. I started to fall down towards 2006, 7.

at this point I got a bag up I got to bag up a little bit I end up I end up catching a case but not for guns it was for drugs I caught a drug possession case

I end up going to jail I served a couple years from 2000 to 2000 no for 2004 to 2006 I came home 2006 and that's when I try to do that stupid shit again

And that's now, my space is out now. You know what I'm saying? Camera phones are out now. All right. And I just got out of jail. And I'm like, yo, this is crazy. So I'm back on my bullshit. I'm breaking in houses.

I'm stealing police guns. And I run across these two Mac 11s. And they had the shoulder sling going on. They were brand new with the muzzle, the cooling system. It was like the coolest shit ever. And they were for a cop. And I took the guns. and um i went crazy with my camera phone the same stupid these guys on my space on my space

i was the first guy to go viral and go to jail i knew a guy that i knew a guy that robbed the bank listen i knew a guy that robbed the bank laid on put the money all around them and took pictures and put it on Facebook and the bands were still on the and like the places just got robbed like people he knew it went crazy people called the bank and said or people called the cops and said didn't a bank it robbed like yesterday like you need to look at this boom we've arrested them they had them they had them arrested within a day or two yo that's crazy you just don't think they're going to put it together that fast you don't you don't and another thing is this People, the way my stuff went viral is because, like, I don't know.

I just felt like it was a certain group of people that wanted me to go to jail because they felt like I was dangerous, bro. I was providing guns to people who were really killers, you know what I'm saying? And, like, a lot of people, a lot of older people didn't like me for that because they heard about me. Like, that's that guy who getting all these guns and, you know what I'm saying? So I got two Mac 11th. Oh, and the crazy part about these two Mac 11s,

I had 20 clips. This cop had two Mac 11s and 20 clips loaded in his, in his closet, in his house. I guess, but this gun wasn't a fully automatic gun, so it was legal. It was a semi-automatic gun, but it wasn't a Mac 11 for sure. And long-star shot, I put it on MySpace. I sent the pictures out, and it wasn't even two days. The cops came and got me. It wasn't even two days later.

It wasn't even the cops. I'm sorry, my probation officer. Oh. Do you remember of your MySpace? My probation officer. No, I don't know if he got it from MySpace, but he just got the word. And in Georgia, I don't know about Florida, but they don't need a warrant if you're on probation. They come right in your house.

So they brought him to make a stick, kind of like. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Let the PO search the house. We can't go wrong here. You feel me? Yeah. So the PO could give consent.

Exactly. So my PO called me. He said, hey, I'm about to do a field check. You know, just come outside and wave your hand. I should know, or do you still live there? That's some normal shit where he does. A field check, you pull up, say, hey, how are you doing? He leave.

Treat me. All right, y'all come on for the field check. He pulled up, and he started talking to me. And he never came with another guy in the car. I said, who's that in the car? That's my chief. He's the chief of probation. The thing you know, a police car pulls in.

sheriff carpools and detective pools in they put i'm like what the fuck he's like yeah man you're going to jail like uh we've been told you got guns in your house you about to go search it so uh i'm just lock you up right now for probation violation put your hands behind you back put me in the car for probation violation shoot me away um they find the guns they find some drugs i'm on state probation um my parole officer come to the county jail maybe after me being locked up for a month And he says, sign this waiver, saying that you're guilty. And you can just go do six months in prison and I kill your probation. And then when you get done with that, you have to face your new charges.

But you can just give me six months and I took up your probation. I mean, your parole. I'm sorry, not probation, your parole. Because the two years I did, I only did like 18 months. And I had 40 months on parole when I came home. So I caught a new charge. I go do six months. He killed my parole.

Boom. I get back to the county jail. I'm happy. I'm like, yes, I'm about to make bail. I'm about to fight this a gun case with all I got because there wasn't my apartment. It wasn't my house. All these shifts in my hair life, I'm about to beat this shit. So when I get back to the county jail after doing my six months, the judge keeps denying my bond hearing. He's like, no, not today. I scheduled for the next week. The next week come, or no, you ain't got caught today.

The judge put it back again. I'm like, I don't got no parole holding me, no detainers. Why won't you give me a bond? Are they waiting for the ATF to indict you? Or for you to be indicted? There you go. So now my family's bugging out. They call him the jailed captain.

Why my son don't got no bond? U.S. Marshals have got to wait to see him. I don't know who that is. I'm like, the U.S. Marshals. What is that? I don't know that's the federal government. I'm not putting that together right now in my head.

Like, the U.S. Marshers want to see me. How old are you at this point? At this time? 25. Okay. Yep. I did a bid, came home, and now I'm 25 at this point. So, oh, whoop.

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Tickets on sale now. August 1st. Maybe that's, after I heard, you guys, I wanted to see me, maybe two nights or later, I get a visit. They say, Ramirez, visit. It's nighttime. I'm like, who the fuck? We don't even have visits at nighttime. I go into this little room, and then so maybe middle-aged white lady in there.

She's like, hi, I'm from the Federal Bureau of Investigations. Are you Ramirez? I'm like. From the FBI or the ATF? FBI. FBI? Okay. The ATF had my case, but she was just like a representative to tell me what was going on

that I would be moved to another federal jail. Because this county jail is a small. County Jail. They don't hold federal inmates. So she was just somebody that I never saw again. She just came to tell me that they picked my case up and I was going to be in federal custody and I'd be leaving this place soon. So I'm sick now. I'm sick. I'm like the federal the feds want me for it. I'm like, yo. And most of my homeboys, they get fed cases to do 10, 15, 20 years. So I'm in here. I'm going through it. I'm thinking I'm going home on a bond and now I'm going to a whole other facility.

So that very next night, do a day, they took me to a federal jail in Jones County, Georgia. I went in front of a judge, and he gave me a bond. He said, he gave me $2,500 cash, cash bill. And he said, only because they found some marijuana, and they found the two Mac 11s. The DA told me that we're going to drop the marijuana and you can just plead guilty to the Mac11s

and we'll give you a bond and we'll work a deal with you when you go to court. But he said, here's the catch to it. If you plead out to the marijuana, you can get the drug program and get the year after your sentence, but you can't go home on the bond. We don't let drug dealers go home on bond.

Like you get a drug case with the feds. They're telling me, if you got a drug case, we're not letting you go home. But you only just take the guns and plead out to that. We'll drop the weed and let you make bail. But this whole time, they know I'm a game member too, and they want me to tell for real. But I don't know this at this point.

I'm like, all right, cool. I play out to the gun if y'all drop the weed. Let me go home for a little while with my family, and I come to do my time. Boom. I make bail. When I make bail, my opponent, federal lawyer calls me. I never forget.

Catherine Leak, she was like, hey, they want to debrief you at the courthouse. I'm like, they want to debrief you at the courthouse. I'm like, they want to debrief. me who who is day you know she was like you know the ATF and you know the people who got your case they want to talk you about stuff I'm like all right cool I go to the courthouse um it was one of those meetings look man you only got these guns and you know this dude in your neighborhood sells drug and this dude your neighborhood does this and who's your gang leader and all this whole crap and um I wasn't talking to him and so the dude was like you know if you ever want to help yourself

out, man. You probably go do it probably about 10 years. If you talk to us, I'm going to get it down about two. So he gave me his card. Now, I would be a lie if I said, I didn't think about it. Right. I would be lying to you because I'm free. My kid, at this time, I got a small, small child, and I'm like, so it's in my mind, but I know that whatever time I'm about to do is not going to be forever. And I feel like I want to still be an entertainer. I still wanted to do music and I just didn't want to have a bad name from where I'm from, you know, and you can get killed. And I'm a gang member, you feel me?

Everybody go to federal prison. So, you know what I'm saying? So I just chose to do my time. So I ended up taking 70 months. But my guideline was 70 to like 100 months or something, like 70. to a hundred months was my guideline and I went in front of the worst judge bro and I really thought he gives everybody the high end he gives everybody the high the high number like when I got my judge the whole jail like yeah you're done he's going to he's going to get you a hundred months

which is almost 10 years what saved me was my dad was the same guy I told you that went to college that raised me he um worked for the department of corrections but on the state level and he showed up to my court sentencing. He was like, you know, I worked for the Department of Corrections, and I don't agree with my son, and I hate criminals. He's a little speech, and the judge gave me 70 months, bro. And the only reason I wasn't an on career criminal because my drug charge before that wasn't intent to deliver.

It was just a possession. So they couldn't give me an all-career criminal. It was only a 922G. But I mean, I got so much time. because I was category six, though, because I got, I was going to say, because you got to get five years, no matter what, you had to get five years. So you, but your criminal, your, um, your, um, your criminal history was already pretty high. That's why you end up getting the, with the 70 months instead of the 60. But some people get 922 Gs and don't get five years, though. But they're having, but they beat most of the people with no record in first offense. You caught with like a little handgun. Yeah, you know, they'll get three years. The minimum, like, if I got, if I had a gun, I'm getting three years. But if I had a drug charge or it was caught with a gun and drugs, I'm getting five.

Right. You already had a drug charge. So you weren't getting less than 60 months. Right. Unless you cooperate. Exactly. So my guideline was 70 to 87 months. That was with the two point reduction for playing out.

Yeah. You know, before that it was some higher shit. But, um, so yeah. So actually what happened, I ended up during that time. And I came home from federal prison in 2014, and I didn't go back to Georgia. I still go back and visit. Like, every year I go back home, and I do shows. I do music and stuff like that.

And what I always wanted to do. And I didn't want their name of a snitch on me. You feel what I'm saying? So now I'm back home. I got my music going. People in my city play my music. They come to my shows and stuff. So I feel good about that.

But I moved to Pennsylvania. and I just walked away from game, from gang, I walked into the mouth of it, huh? Why Pennsylvania? So while I was doing my federal time, my mom and dad got a final divorce, and my mom is originally from here.

So when my dad divorced, she moved here. But my brothers, my dad, my kids, everybody is still in Georgia. I just knew that if I came home around those same people in that same area, the chances of me doing something different but my life is going to be slim only because when you grow up somewhere

and you stay there it like it forces you to be around certain people and you can't escape it. They know where you're at. They know where you live. They're going to come to your house and they're going to come to your job and, you know, you just got to leave sometime. Some far where they can't come. You know what I'm saying? So I came to Pennsylvania. And I did good

for two years. That was 2014. It's 2023 now. So I've been here a long time. I did good for two years. And I went through a struggle. I ended up getting my, I ended up starting a cleaning business when I first got out of the feds. I did a cleaning business. And it did well. Me and this girl I met, we started cleaning business. It did well. And then me and her broke up and she hit me for everything. It was in her name because I'm on federal probation. We got bank contracts, all this stuff so it's in her name we broke up she took everything i'm back to square one what am i what do my stupid ass do let me sell some drugs in pennsylvania right let me sell some drugs in pennsylvania i tried that for about eight months it's all it took and um a dude i was

dealing with set up a control by and here i go with a federal violation federal violation controlled by How did that go? What were you selling? Cocaine. Cocaine. Yep. I sold this dude, an eight ball, and he had got caught a day or two before. And he told this cop, this big story that this guy from Georgia's bringing out of drugs up here to Pennsylvania, like, put out of his sauce on it. And they set up a controlled buy.

But the plan was to make three buys on me, and then come into my house and get the state. So, but after the first body they got from me, I end up going to rehab. And let me give you this, let me just give you this last little story about how that happened. So I'm selling the drugs. I'm going through it. My girlfriend left me. I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm doing what I'm going back to what I started in the beginning.

I'm selling drugs. So I end up catching the case. Boom. Well, sorry. I end up selling to a dude that's cooperating. But when I sell him to drugs, I also go piss dirty for my, probation officer. I'm pissing dirty for cocaine because I'm dealing with this shit. I'm putting in my hands and it gets in your pores. So my peer, like, look, you need to go to

rehab or I'm going to have to tell the judge to violate you. You keep on having cocaine in your system. And I'm like, bro, I don't get high. He's like, I don't want, you got to go to rehab or go back to jail. So after they get the one by for me, I go to rehab. You didn't explain to them. I'm not getting high. I'm just dealing. That wasn't. No, that wasn't the way you went? So, yeah, probation officer, I just sell drugs, sir. I don't do the shit. No way.

Not that. So it was crazy, man. This is a good, but this is a great story right here to end of the week on how that worked out for him. So I go to rehab. I don't know how I have was controlled by over my head. So I go to rehab and I get back out of jail. I mean, not rehab. I was a rehab for 30 days.

impatient. I come home from rehab and I'm driving my car two days later and I get put over by the cops for a tail light. They put me over on my name and say, you have a warrant for your arrest for money laundering. This is what they tell me on the side of the road. I'm like, what? I'm like, nah, I just got out of rehab two days ago. And my probation, I knew I was in rehab the whole time. He didn't mention anything about no warrants. You got the wrong guy. So he's like, I believe you. He because this is a weird type of warrant to have a money money he's like i'm gonna call the station and see if they want me to bring you in so he calls them and they're like yeah we want him bring him in and i get there and they're like it's not money laundering you have a control by

of a narcotic you sold to a and when i read the paperwork it's the dude i'm like fuck so here i go again been on rehab two days and i'm back in the county jail I called my probation officer, and I say, please lift my detainer and let me make bail so I can fight this case from the street. I need a fair chance at beating this. I'm innocent. I just want to get me a lawyer. I can't fight it from behind these walls. I don't have enough money.

He was like, no, I'm not dealing with you. You are sold drugs on probation. You're staying in jail and you fight from jail. So this is what happened. I'm doing time in Montgomery County facility in Pennsylvania. And I get a cellie. and he's been to the feds before. And I tell him the same story I'm telling you about the controlled buy and the rehab.

So he was like, you know, your probation officer don't really run anything. It's your back judge. He was like, if you really went to rehab and you just passed it and you got the paper saying you went to rehab and you made a cell before you went to rehab, write your judge and tell him you had a drug problem and you went to rehab, you're clean, and you want to make bail and fight your case from the street. I don't think for one chance in hell this is going to work, but I'm in jail. It's a long shot.

I write it. I'm on the phone with my girl maybe two weeks later. They do mail call. I get the mail, and I'm looking at it, and it's like court papers. But I'm thinking it's for the drug case because it's a state case. So my girl, like, read the papers. I'm like, it's just court shit. I ain't reading that shit.

I want to talk on the phone for my 15 minutes. I don't got but one phone call. I'm not going to read my mail on the phone with you. She was like, let's read it. And I looked at it. I'm like, oh, shit, it's from the feds. And I read it. And the judge said, I grant you the motion for bail.

So I went down to the federal jail for a bond hearing, and he let me go. Nice. He said, I got your letter. And he said, I see what a PO told you to go to rehab, told you to get a job, and you complied. And you didn't give him no hassles about it. You went in rehab. You got a job. You complied.

So I'm going to keep in full of the doubt. I'm going to let you bond out and fight your case from the street. And so I bailed out. And this shit was unbelievable, but it gave me an ankle monitor. But I can't lie. I'm stressing. I'm stressing because I'm guilty. And I don't know how I'm going to beat this shit.

I don't know what they got on me. So end of the day, I'm about to go to trial is what I'm telling the courts. I'm about to go to trial. Fuck it. That's a mistake. because what the federal government is telling me is if you violate for this type of violation, if you get found guilty, that's three years with us, plus whatever they give you for this charge in Pennsylvania state.

Oh, damn. Okay. That was going to give me three years for that violation because I had three years on probation, federal probation that came out to my time. Yeah. So they were going to revoke our, give me out of that. Even though I only had six months left on it, that was going to give me the whole three. if I pled guilty to drug sale.

So I told the courts, I'm going to trial. And I'm really trying to pump fake them so they can give me a real low deal. I'm telling myself, like, I'll take a one to three up and they ain't going to do three for the feds. But I'm really stressed to fuck out, man. So I'm telling these people, I'm going to trial.

I'm going to trial. And what happened was the feds got tired of me waiting to go to trial. And at this time, I'm smoking hella weed. I'm drinking hell of beer and I'm pissing dirty for my PO while on the leg monitor while waiting to go to trial. And he's like, Grable, why are you getting high, bro? And I was like, listen, man, have you ever been facing five years in jail? Have you ever been facing that much time?

And you know what I'm saying? I bought it like, this is some stressful shit. That's why I'm getting high. So he was like, man, you got to go out to streets. So what happened was the fans got tired of. waiting on me to go to trial and they gave me an offer I couldn't refuse. One day, my lawyer called me and said, hey, the DA got a deal for you. He said, because you're on leg amounts to you and you're doing drugs and you stressed out. He said, go get him a year and a day. Before you

go to trial, before you do anything, give him a year and a day and they'll let you out federal probation. You only got six months left on it. If you go to court and get found, they'll give you three years. Take a year in the day right now. And we'll let you have. You're going to court and get found. It's, they'll give you three years take a year in the day right now and we're done with you because you're hard to supervise we don't want no more dizzling with you take this year in the day and i thought about for 20 minutes i said i'll take it you feel me because now i can go wrong with this case and you know i could parole out of pennsylvania or something you know what i'm saying but i didn't want to deal with the feds three years and that case so i signed a waiver and i went to hazelton fcii

Whitey Borgia. I was there. Oh, okay. Yeah. He came, got out the bus one night. The whole compound couldn't believe it. White Borgia is here. The next morning, he was dead. He didn't make it to break.

I didn't know what happened. I didn't know. I didn't realize it was okay. He didn't make it to breakfast. When they went and checked his cell again, he was dead with his tongue cut out of his mouth. They locked it down for three days and I was sailed. And after that, life went on.

and you were in the same facility or I mean in the same prison yeah I mean was it that wasn't he in like a pen yeah so Hazleton FCI is a complex okay they got a low medium camp in the pen and you were in the pen I was in the medium okay he was in the pen okay so this is so this is such big news that the compound knew it he was coming and in my mind I'm still saying he's not going to walk in population because he's told on people he cooperated right so in my mind like you're not going to come on the yard of a pen and just walk around and like no i don't think he's going to do that so but he does and you know like i know in the federal jail to ask you have you ever told on somebody do you feel safe walking around here do you want to be a population you say yes they put you in population so when i said he came to population i was like what the fuck and he didn't make it a day that's crazy they should have put him in the medium or the low he was an old man he's not an old man i kind of feel like it was suicide like he wanted him

almost like he because he he had to know right oh yeah listen but he went to trial and the whole time during the trial that the whole trial was basically about him trying to prove that he didn't cooperate you understand he all he never said he cooperated he always he went to trial so that he was like prove that I cooperated. Okay. I didn't know that. Yeah, he was saying that the FBI made it sound like he cooperated, but he never really

cooperated. But it did matter by that point. Everybody already believes that. You know what I'm saying? Like, if somebody says you're a rat, even if there's no proof and other people start saying it, it's almost impossible for you to prove that that's not true. So now you're going to be fighting for the next fucking few years of your sentence,

even though you're like, I didn't say anything. But some asshole said it, everybody else spread the rumor and it's just impossible to get it off of you that's one of the hardest jackets to get off your name somebody calls you a snitch or a rat it's like you got to really go find your transcripts and do all this stupid shit to prove to prove that and you're right i didn't even know that um he was trying to say that yeah there's a documentary on it where his lawyers are interviewed and they're saying they think that connelly the FBI agent they think Connolly made it look like he was cooperating to protect him because he's paying him.

Like he's paying him to give him information. And Connolly is is getting the information by saying Bulger is cooperating. But most of the cooperation, he Connolly was taking from other people who were giving information and saying it came from Bulger. Okay. But Bulger always insisted that he never cooperated. Like he knew he was going to prison forever. They were saying, look, we'll just give you like 30 years.

And he would say, no, I want to go to trial. Because I want to prove at trial that I did not cooperate. Because he knew he's going. He's done. Right. So he did really want to walk comfortably. Yeah, I guess he thought he was hoping that it would come out and people would understand that it wasn't true. Right.

You know, whether it's true or not, I don't know. I just know that during the trial. that was really the big reason for him to go to trial because he knew he he knew he's guilty he's going to prison forever he's going to die in prison but anyway but i hear you so they killed him that day they lock everybody down and the whole facility they locked they down for three days and um we didn't at first we didn't know why but we like everybody knew wadi borgia came there because you know the guards and stuff you know why your brother just came to the pen yeah we're like oh oh wow that's crazy and then the next morning we didn't come out for breakfast. We lock, and we don't, we're on a lot down, but six o'clock news come on. Yeah. I watch TV in the door. I'm like, why he brought your dad and Hazleton. I was like, whoa, that's why we locked down. It's crazy. Just that quick. You know, like, I can't tell no

grown person what to do. And I cause people have kids and family members. If you want to get back home to your family, I kind of understand. It's just something I'm not willing to do. Because just by me going to prison, I know that a lot of people don't live comfortably once you decide to do that. A lot of people don't. Some people do. A lot of people don't. A lot of people have to be in by themselves the whole time. They're in prison because of that. So I just chose not to, but I don't judge people, you know. So what happened? So you got out. So after that last time, I went to the violation and all this stuff happened. By this time, I'm 30-something.

And I'm looking around at all these guys It was 21, 22, and I just feel out of place Like, I can't keep doing this shit. I'm about to be 40 years old, and this shit just got to stop. So the last time I got out, I buckled down, I learned how to do technology. I got me a couple of YouTube channels. I monetize my Instagram.

Like I say, I do music. I got to record studio that I work at. I edit content for people, and I just decided to just I left all that shit alone, man. And people that know me from back then don't even can't believe me right now. Like how I am now, they're like, I can't believe you. Like, I thought you were going to really be dead in jail forever. Like, I was dead crazy.

What's your YouTube channel? It's a BMG Capo official. Oh, okay. Yep. That's why I got it right there. You should put the at YouTube. On YouTube, Instagram is all the same, BMG Capo official. at YouTube. But I also have another channel that it's a faceless channel, but it's called

T-T-O-M-TV. What we interview influencers, we interview Charleston White crazy ass. You know. I don't know who that is. You know Charleston White? No. The guy on the internet, he's starting out of drama with everybody. But anyway, he's like, he's against gang members. And he's like, I hate all game members. I hate all. I know. With that guy, I love, the black guy, he's, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's great. We interview him. He's great. He was on Vlad.

Yeah, yeah. He's hardcore. So my other channel, T-T-O-M-TV is my other channel, and we interviewed him. It did well. It did, it did, like, over 300,000 views on several clips. So it's over a million views. I did an hour interview with him. made it like four different clips and it did good man it's funny as hell but you know i had a bunch of

questions for him because he was like i don't like rappers and gang members so you know i was like so but yeah so i just do content now man um i came across your channel because i like to see people's stories and people that been through what i've been through and i watch a bunch of your stories and i were like uh i'm going to tell my story on matthew kick channel you uh do you have a ticot do you do tic-tok um i do have a tic-top but i'm just not big on i'm a big on instagram so yeah so tic-tok like i had i had a guy in in canada start by tic-tok right he contacted me i had one before this this young kid was running for me and he just didn't seem to understand that like you certain things you just can't say and he just put into the clips right and then and then suddenly boom

they just, they took the whole TikTok, you know, they gave multiple warnings. So then, you got to edit the cursing out and all that stuff. Oh, yeah. You can't talk about guns. You can't talk about, like it's all kinds of stuff. Right. So, well, I mean, you can and you can't. It depends.

But anyway, so then I didn't even even fuck with it for a while. Then this guy from Canada said, hey, can I run a TikTok channel for you? And I'll direct all the traffic to, you know, your, your, uh, your, uh, your, uh, your, you're YouTube channel. He just offered his services to you. Just offered. And you know, this is the problem. I've had people do that before. And here, you know, what happens is most of the time they just fall off. They said they're going to do it. And two weeks later, they're like, ah, it's too much work. Right, right.

And they're, they intend, I get it. They're not being jerks. Their intention is, you know what? They just don't know what it takes to run. It takes work. Right. And I can't pay you. Like, I'm like, look, I'm not paying somebody $450 a month to run a TikTok. Right. I'm just not doing it. So it, you don't remind me of, reminds me of all your buddies in prison that left that said, man, I'm going to put money on your books. I'm going to write your letters. And then you get the one phone call and you get, you might get 20 bucks one day.

Might. Maybe. Maybe. And then they don't answer your phone on the phone anymore. Right. And all the stuff they were going to do, they don't do none of it. None of it. but at the time they meant it like i i always like to think that you know listen like i you know

those guys it's like look i get it and i get what you're saying but you'll get out there life will take over yeah you got two two kids you got a girlfriend you got your mom needs you help you you got and next thing is no you know it's like do i really need to be busting my ass working and sending this fucking guy in prison money you know every month like i got bigger i got two kids man right so So I get it. So people reach out and they try and help and they just, they don't realize what it takes and they make these huge offers. And every time I've taken people up on it, they fall short.

Well, anyway, this guy in Canada, when I talk to him, he actually like pled his case. Like he was like, look, I'm in real estate. You know, I do okay, but it's dropped off dramatically. He said, I'd like to ultimately do something in social media. And I think that I could take your content. and run a channel, and I'd really like to do it just to see how it goes. And I was like, okay, like, you're not sitting there lying in me, you know, and telling me,

oh, I'm going to this and that, and anyway, and he's like, look, I'll do it for six months. And in six months, if you want to pay me, great. If not, I'll just hand it over to you. So I was like, okay, he did it for about four months, took it from, started the channel, actually started two channels. One of the channels never did great. it ended up with 10,000 followers. The other one, he brought it all the way up to about 104,000, 103,004,000.

We're talking about in three months. Wow. Three or four, three to four months. Then he, real estate picked up in Canada. He started working more. He didn't post anything for like two weeks. And I contacted him. I said, bro, what's going on?

He goes, man, I'm so sorry. Work is picked up. He said, I said, was it a matter of me, you know, do you need me money? Like, he's like, no, even if you gave me money, I just don't have the time to do it. Like, even if you paid me, I still have to work this many hours to keep my job. And he said, let me just hand it back to you. So he handed it over to me, took us another month. So I didn't post anything for over probably four to six weeks.

We hired a guy. We started posting. But I can tell you right now. So, by the way, we've been posting for two weeks. The first time we, you know, and listen, but let me tell you, that TikTok, some of those videos have 6 million views 2 million views 4 million views

it's huge like that thing went to 100,000 followers and I could tell when he would post a TikTok that did well you could literally see my fucking you could see my subscribers on my YouTube channel just spike for like a week and then

the moment it slowed down it started dropping oh direct correlation bro here's the thing when he stopped for the six weeks and we started posting the new videos we were posting we're getting 2,000 views, 3,500 views, you know, 2,200 views for two weeks, two days ago, because we posted it for two days ago, the last video, 150,000 views, 160,000 views. So I don't know what happened. I think it's almost like the algorithm says, okay, he's serious again.

Right, right. Start pushing. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm saying if you do do it, you know, it's, you know, it's worth it. It took him after it took about a month before it took off, but when it did, man, come out with nuts. And everybody is telling me this. You got to go with TikToks, leave Instagram alone for right now. Like, don't spend so much time on it.

I spend a lot of time on Instagram, and they just took the reels away. The money for reals, you can't buy money in the money. My Instagram monetized. So everybody's saying, bro, go to TikTok. It'll boost your YouTube. So I'm going to have to go there, man. but like how does he edit the content like does he uh put a twist on it does he just do it how your interviews like what does he do yeah he'll try and make like a story take a story and shove it

into one minute because we also put them on shorts and instagram but you know what are shorts going to get you know 2,500 views 6,000 views maybe right you know most of them are 2 or 3,000 Instagram if it does really well maybe it gets 50,000 30,000 that's not that's nothing compared to TikTok. The reason I took YouTube seriously again because I was just on Instagram and I was just running to my other page with the interviews.

We actually made a couple thousand dollars a month on it with charge to do. I interviewed that page. That page I interviewed different people who's in the hip-hop industry, but not rappers, though, but like who got the stories. But we made a decent money on that page. But this BMG Capital official page,

I had 300 subscribers, 300 in December last year. I posted. First, I was watching a podcast and somebody said, hey, you want to grow your YouTube channel, use shorts. Shorts is the best way to get to a lot of traffic and quick. So the first short I made, I thought I watched that, it went viral. I thought it was regular. Like, I'm like, what? This is this what shorts do? Like, the first short I made did a half a million views. 700 shares, 18,000 likes type 1,000 subscribers from that one short. Yeah, I don't have nothing like that. I posted another short, but it's not my own content.

I just cover the story of these rappers, and I just put the pictures of them from different places, and I put the story together. Like you said, in one minute with a hook, you know, this is Gucci, man. This is what he did. He's going to go do this. I did that twice and then went viral. And those two clips got my channel from 300 to like 2,800 subscribers of those two clips. So I know the power of it, especially like TikTok is bigger too.

But like right now I'm at like almost 5,000. So I'm trying to get what you are though on YouTube. Yeah, but you could you could tell your story. You know, the only problem with the way you tell your story is like, you know, and I kept waiting for you to do this. And I should have slowed you down. Like I'm a horrible interview, bro. I'm not a great interviewer.

Exactly. Danny with concrete or somebody, they would have done a better job because, you know, I'm kind of like this listening to this story and I need to kind of try and slow you down. Like I should have I should have asked you like, like now I'm thinking I should have said like, well, how did you know it was a cop's house? How long did you watch it? Weren't you scared? Were you, you know, like I didn't do that. And I really should. I'm, I got to get better at this. but like if you slowly told your story in little 30 minute clips and maybe you fill it up

and I mean slowly like talking about I hit this house and then this one and then that's it that's the whole clip spread it out over 20 30 minutes post it you did that for 10 until you get all the way to where you are let's say 10 short videos then you started just interview other guys other hip hop guys and their stories and just put it doesn't even matter if it's really a shitty video what's most important is the sound quality because people will watch shitty video with good sound quality but they will not watch great videos great video quality with shitty audio they won't do it so it doesn't matter if your if your cameras messed up and it's not high quality and it's cocky it don't that doesn't matter what matters is get decent sound quality and just interview

other hip hop guys that are like starting out and post it on YouTube and make little shorts about it and put it on on on TikTok TikTok will drive the the traffic and then once you get to 10,000 followers you can put a link and then they just hit the link and it brings them straight to your YouTube oh cool because trust me once he put that link on there that and I have a link tree because it'll you know you go to link tree and then you can either go to YouTube you go to here but regardless once you do that man you come telling you right now you can see it and every once in a while you're going to get some clip of some guy that's blowing up and you can use their music they'll do it because you can say man i want to tell the clip with your music in the background these guys

will line up to do that yeah for sure for sure you can do it from your house just like this with stream yard that's cool i mean yeah i got to get a stream yard i like stream yard i think it's like 30 bucks it's nothing it's like 20 or 30 bucks a month or something it's okay cool cool totally worth you're on your way to getting your plaque man you too gonna send you a plaque soon man you get a hundred thousand i'm telling you i'm shadow ban thank shadow band i'm shy i think i'm shadow band like everybody says man why is it like it's been two years you should have a hundred thousand 200 thousand your videos should get and they're just not i don't know why i mean i don't know but i mean i'm i'm look like here's the thing i don't care if

it takes another two years like I like doing it it's just now at the point where it's paying my bills pretty much not great like I have to do other stuff but right a few more months six months from now it'll pay all my bills when that happens I'll double down and I won't be doing three interviews a week I'll be doing four and five and then it'll blow up there you go I have time like you know like this is it's the fact that I'm doing this and then they're paying me money. Yeah. It's ridiculous.

Yeah. You know laying in your bunk in prison, you're like, how am I going to make a living? Right. Right. You know, like how am I even going to get by? So the idea that I'm living in a nice house, I have a new car. I actually have a new house. Like, this house was built a couple years ago.

Does your ticket to make money too? Huh? Does your ticket time to make money? I never monetized it because the guy in Canada. told me don't monetize it he said you're it and look it it it could have been his opinion well it it might have been his opinion i don't know i just let you monetize that they're going to try to stop it from making money like they're like going to let it get big like what did he say he said they won't push your content as much or they'll slow it down i believe that i believe that could get

look on youtube i make reals i mean on um short instagram i make reals i'm monetized some of them I'm going to get the 5,000, 10,000 views, and they're just slow down. But I look at this page over here that's not monetized. He's real to go 80,000, 100K, but they're not. So I really feel like on those, you TikTok, Instagram, if you're monetized, they don't want to pay you that much money. So they're not going to push your shit to, you know, it's the content that's not monetized that they probably just push.

They're what it seems like. It could not be true, but it seems like it makes sense to me. but you could make money out of TikTok, but you could try it. Well, listen, the money is you got enough, you got enough followers now to do so. The money on TikTok and the money in comparison to YouTube is, there's no way you're going to make the same amount of money. First of all, there's no way that a two or three minute TikTok

is going to make as much as a two-hour video on YouTube. You know, it's just, it's, but the other, although what I've heard is you can go live, Like going live on TikTok is good. People can donate and you can make money doing that. Another thing you could do on your channel too, that will help you out a lot and it will probably get you a lot of views because the name of your channel is cool, true crime.

I like all that. You could cover stories of guys that's in prison or out of prison, but they don't have to tell you that story. You could just like cover it and do a voiceover and just have like images of the scene. I know you're talking about it. I've seen those guys that do that. People like stuff like that.

Yeah, but you know, that takes a long time. That's a lot of editing. Like, that's a lot. You do your own editing? Yeah. Well, not for the channel so much. Like, I do my own tick. Not my own TikTok.

I do a lot of shorts and TikToks. I can do my own editing. But for the channel, I have a video editor, Colby. Colby does all the editing for the channel. Oh, okay, cool. I make TikToks and, you know, I make shorts every once in a while, and I can edit. But you're right, though, like, if you did a story for an hour,

you'll take a lot of editing, but if you did maybe a 15 minutes, 20 minutes story, but that's really thrilling with the music and the, I mean, I'll just say, just thinking of some ways you can do some different stuff where you ain't got to always do interviews, so when you don't got time, or just say, if, like, even if it took him, even if you, even if you got to pay $150,000 to, make a 30-minute good story video, it'll probably do a lot of views and it won't throw off your niche. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Well, I like doing the interviews. Yeah, for sure. What software do you use? To edit with it? Yeah. Adobe. Oh, okay.

But on my phone, I ain't going to lie. I like it on my phone better. Really? I do. I use Final Cut Pro. I just use it on my Mac boat. I'm not good on a computer. I can edit some stuff on my phone.

it blow your mind you know i've seen guys use i could put the sound effects and have shit popping up when i'm talking i'm good i'm good on my phone i use like vlog star uh vlog star and i use i move on i phone i'm really i move is really easy and i use yeah yeah actually i started i started on the macbook with i movie final cup it's very similar yeah my only problem was you could only stack like two on top with i movie and i'm sometimes i'm stack in two, three, four, uh, different, uh, feeds, but I haven't learned how to do the overlays on our movie. Like how you put, you got to figure that.

You got to do that. Yeah. I can do it on everything. Right. Uh, all right. I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, are good. Are we good? Yeah, we're good. I don't think anybody watching really wants to hear us talk about our YouTube channel. So, um, right, right.

They might. It's fine. If they watch this far, they probably are. They're probably okay with it. We're good. We're good, man. For sure. And I got a bunch of home balls. You might get an interview soon. I got a good story coming out, man. It's a rapper. His name is T. Grisley. He's real, real famous. But he came up rapping somebody else's life that went to jail. And they're going to give me the interview from jail and prove to the world his rapper is rapping their life. be real cool. It's going to be real cool. Well, look, if you have anybody that's interested, you know, interested in telling their story, like, let me know. Yeah, I'll send it your way. All right, boy.

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