Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Running a Million Dollar Escort Service with Belen Enriquez | Matt Cox Inside True Crime Podcast

Episode Date: January 6, 2024

Running a Million Dollar Escort Service with Belen Enriquez | Matt Cox Inside True Crime Podcast

Yeah, it's volume. It's volume. But I mean, look, some girls, like, they didn't have to do volume because they were so popular that a client, one client, would book them for, like, extended dates, like, you know, a week or, like, three days. So, yeah, I mean, you know, they were married. They were busy guys.

Very powerful. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be interviewing Baylon Enriquez. Correct. Yes. Yes. So you were, what was your indictment for? I was indicted for transporting women for purposes of prostitution and money laundering.

There was more charges, but those are the substantive ones. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I always say bank fraud when it's like, I'm not going to, I could list them. Yes. All right, so, and this was in what year? 2018. All right, so basically you were bringing in, you were like a high end. and madam bringing in women as an s to be escorts i mean i know you you you can you can correct me

that's why you know you know um over the course of uh what back when was this 2000 um so we started um 2000 end of 2015 okay up until um more or less beginning of 2018 um so for about three years yes for about three years. All right. So and you're from Venezuela? No, you're from Ecuador. I'm from Ecuador. Yes. Okay. So you're from Ecuador. You came here when you were 21 years old. Yes. And that was for, that was after you've been, you've been going to school. Yes. So I was in med school in Ecuador and then I came here so that I could just, you know, because I didn't want to study medicine anymore. So I came here and decided to like, just take another path in life and, you know, I have a degree in management and I have a master's in finance. So master's degree in finance. So you came to the United States and what was

initially what were you doing when you came? Well, I was going to school and I was also working three jobs because obviously, you know, like I didn't really come with a lot of things. So it was really hard and I mean not as hard as like somebody without their green card but you know I had to make sure that I was able to you know support myself and get a car and everything else so yeah it was hard what were some of those jobs um I used to work um I work at a doctor's office uh and I work at the mall and I work for like a store so I had you know like my hours were crazy I was working a lot of hours. So when did you, and then you had, were you married at that time or?

No, I got married in, um, I came here in 2004, um, and I got married in 2012. All right. And so you got married and then it, how did, how did you eventually get into, um, you were saying, uh, companions, right? You were a companion. Yes, I was. Yeah. Okay.

So, you know, like I always kind of toy with the idea because, you know, I used to just think, you know, oh, this is possible maybe, you know, like this would be like an ideal job for me because I was going to school at the time. And I had a friend who also got in trouble that, but I didn't really know the extent of her activities. She was a companion too. Right. And, you know, like. This is an agency? No, this is just an independent companion. She was my friend, you know, when I was just like, civilian, let's say, that's what we call them.

So, you know, like, I knew that she was doing something, right? So with my idea of like, oh, you know, maybe that's like a fun job, whatever, you know, I realized or she eventually told me that she was a companion also. So I'm like, okay, this is too much of a coincidence. and she's the one that introduced me to my ex-husband because she was the one that used to take pictures with him. Right, he was a photographer. Yeah, he was a photographer. So she's the one that he used to take her pictures.

So she introduced me and from that point on, you know, like we, you know, we became friends or whatever and we ended up getting married. So the, so how are you getting clients? Like, I mean, is there a website? Yes. Yes. So you advertise There are several websites

Eros is one of them You know Eros, Eero's Guide Yes, Eros guide They are the main website right now And you know Sometimes like there was other smaller websites P411

You have the erotic review Which is like the review website Like it's the Yelp for companions in a way So you can advertise there, but I think that, you know, most of the better clientele comes from heroes. Sometimes at some point, Backpage 2, but obviously Backpage, you know, had such a bad reputation towards the end. So that's, you know, that's where the good clients come from. So you're saying, so you explained to me earlier that, you know, you and the other women call yourself companions because basically escort, being known as an escort has a, a. bad connotation to it it's you're thinking that as an escort you know typically it has some

type of their sex involved but being a companion you were saying a lot of the times you're just you're just going with somebody to dinner or on vacation or that sort of thing yeah I mean and I feel like also people like you said it's right like there's a negative connotation associated to that so being a companion is a more um you need to actually be more exclusive, upscale, you know, ideally you speak several languages, not just one. Ideally, you went to college or you're going to college because you're going to be dealing with a lot of very powerful people

that probably won't be okay with just somebody that doesn't really know how to socialize or, you know, behave. I mean, I actually, I actually, knew a guy when I was locked up his girlfriend there was an older guy he was like 75 years old and he had been retired his wife had died like I don't know 20 years earlier or something and she basically like they went to Venice for two weeks they went you know she was young she was late 20s and she's going with him to all these different places and and you know he he was like yeah and I was like so she's like an escort he's like yeah but she didn't

sleep with him. And I was like, what? And he's like, no, he's like, he's 75 years old as, you know, he goes, she basically just goes with him. And, you know, she, she, she speak, she spoke a couple different languages. She, and she traveled with him all over the place. And I was like, I don't, I did, I didn't, why would he's like, I don't know. He's like, he goes, I'm sure she, he would, but I don't know, maybe he was, I don't think, I don't know. I was going to say maybe, maybe she was lying to him, but the guy was 75, he was way older than her. And he, you know, he looked at her like a daughter or something. And they just, he wanted someone to be there to hang out with him to spend time with.

So, I mean, I'm sure a lot of times it's, it's much more than that. But in that case, like I just remember him telling me this and he would, oh, she just got back from Belgium. She just got back from. So. Yes. And you get to do, and you get to do like incredible things in that line of work, right? Things that you probably, probably just as a regular person, you would never. never be able to do right so yeah i mean people think that it's just about being you know intimate with

clients and that's not always the case because you know some people don't necessarily want that some people just want to be next to a beautiful woman at a restaurant or like go on vacation and you know like enjoy the conversation um and you know just someone that they can go to dinner with right so um and obviously that requires compensation. So that's the misconception. Well, so, but at some point you opened your own place. Correct. And how did that take place?

Well, I mean, I think it's, you're basically running it yourself anyway. You started doing it for other girls. Yes. Because I think that it's a normal transition, right? Everybody, like, you know, when you like something and you're pretty good at it, you're like, okay, let me scale up. Right. I want to be like a business owner. I always wanted to be a business owner anyway.

So my ex-husband was like, okay, you know, like you're very successful on what you're doing. You know, I had a smaller agency that only did Miami, which, you know, it was much easier for me. But he was like, you know, I'm going to introduce you to my, you know, former business partner who's also in my indictment. So he's the one that connected us so that, you know, we can expand together because she was always. also his client. She, he used to take her pictures as a independent companion and he used to take the pictures of the girls that work for her. So, you know, and in retrospect, I feel like he also did it to benefit himself because

the bigger we got, the more business he'll get, right? The more, you know, the busier he'll be, which, you know, ended up being the case and the reason why he got indicted. Right. So, but I saw on the indictment that there was the photography. business was money was being run through the photography. No, no. What happened was that by him referring, I mean, it's conspiracy.

That was one of the charges too. So he did something to further our activities. And, you know, he was referring girls to us. Okay. So he was getting referral fees from us. So he was involved besides being a photographer. Okay. Well, I mean, I guess maybe I made that leap because in the indictment,

And there's like, you know, there's this, this account had 400 and some odd thousand going through it. This account had, you know, whatever, 80,000. This account, like they were showing these different accounts that had money going through them. And it was in the same general area. I assumed it was through the, you know, he loaned their money too because obviously he was getting paid with proceeds of our activities. And at the same time, he was getting kickbacks from us or like referral fees. And he was also taking pictures. So, yeah, he was very involved.

So basically, so what did you do? You set up a website and then you start what you had the girls do some kind of a shoot. Yes. So, I mean, you know, we run our ages. Book club on Monday. Gym on Tuesday. Date night on Wednesday.

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See it's like regular companies You know in the sense that we had a website We had an office We had a full-time staff marketing yeah so mainly websites and make sure that we had

a great customer service we had a lot of also booking forms so yeah it was pretty organized it was you know very organized right so where were the bulk of the women coming from

mainly they were from South America they were from Venezuela Colombia some of them were from Europe but yeah I mean they came voluntarily nobody forced them to come you know but obviously you know it's understandable that they were coming because you know where they came from it was really bad yeah of course right so so so so well so they're coming in up for what like 90 days

that they work for 90 days and then they go back or yeah whatever because one had mentioned yeah of course uh well I mean uh we never encouraged them to overstay like I I always made that clear because I didn't want to deal with them staying here illegally working, you know, with us. Then it's an issue for them to come back too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, like, obviously, I wanted to make sure that we didn't have a lot of liability on that sense. And, you know, so they stayed for whatever time they got their visa for or, like, be allowed to come for. So, and then they went back.

They stayed in their country for a little bit or do whatever they needed to do. and then they came back whenever they were able to come back. So what kind of, like, what kind of money are they making? I mean, what kind of, what's the chart? They made a lot of money. Yeah, I know, I'm sure. Like, some of them made like 10 grand a week. Right.

So, yeah, I mean, and not only that, I mean, not only they made money just because of their donations, let's say, because that's what we call them, like the considerations that the clients pay, but they were also getting gifts. And different things. You know, the clients are very generous. So, you know, so they wanted to make sure that the girls were happy and they would get tips. So, yeah. Okay.

So how long did this go on? And were there any issues? Like, like, what kind of issue? We had issues. We had issues. And mainly issues because I feel like some girls didn't understand that this was a real business. This was not a fly-by-night operation. where, like, you know, you set up shop and you're like,

start sending them clients. No, I mean, we were serious about what we were doing. Um, and they didn't follow the rules. So they would, uh, be loud in hotels. So sometimes like, you know, the cops will show up. Or like they would, uh, not follow our, uh, safety protocols. So sometimes, you know, clients took their stuff. Even though we told them like, you know, they need to like secure their, uh, personal

property or they need to secure the donation so you know like yes and there was there was times where cops showed up but you just have to deal with it right you know or some girls were like intoxicated which is something that it was frowned upon um so yeah there were issues and the clients are coming from what all over the united states like the girls are coming from all over the world the clients are within the united states are they in other countries what happened was that we son we used to send the girls on tour for a week so we would send them to north carolina we would send them to uh pennsylvania we would send them to ohio different parts of the united states so like we had like a large large list of clients so because we did so much marketing then the clients would go see

them at their hotel like during that week so so they would fly all over the united states like I had like sometimes 18, 20 girls working in one week in 18, 20 different cities. And are you, are you like arranging like their flights? I mean, are these, and the clients are the clients are paying your company and then you're arranging everything? No, the clients, no. We would send them like weekly somewhere, right? So the girls were able, they were responsible for taking care of their travel and everything

else because to me, that was the main crime, like facilitating or transporting. And I was totally against it, but, you know, I'm not going to take less responsibility for it because I fully knew that my business partner was on board for doing this because sometimes they would be like, oh, I don't have any money. Okay, let us pay for your ticket. Let us pay for your hotel. And then you can go work and you can refund us. But I didn't want to do that. But, you know, it had to be done because otherwise they couldn't work. So how are you getting paid? Like if the clients aren't paying you directly, they're paying. They're paying the girls and the girls would go to the bank. No, the girls would go to the bank and make deposits every day. And that was the other problem because obviously, you know, the banks were raising red flags like suspicious activity reports like they call it. So they were sending this information to the government because the deposits were, I think at some point they thought that we were doing structuring.

But it was not like that because obviously like, you know, sometimes it would be less than a thousand dollars every year. every it was you know like minimal quantity so they probably thought that we know we were running some sort of funky thing structuring is when you're trying cash a check for instance you try and cash a check under or you get multiple you're getting a payment of over $10,000 and you're pulling cash out but you try and structure it in a way that you can catch out less than the reporting so you do it in small like bits and pieces of deposit so that you don't walk in and say I need $12,000 in cash because you know that's going to be a CCR or you know it's going to be a,

you know it's going to be a suspicious activity. So you say, give me $5,000 and then and give me a money order for this. And then two days later, you say, give me another $3,000 and just try and keep it. You said structuring. Most people don't know what structuring. Yeah, of course. So, like, I think that was the suspicious at the beginning because they were like, oh, there's deposits for like, you know, like every day, like for $1,000, for $600, for $600,

in different parts of the United States. So they were, like, you know, suspicious of that. And then, you know, like, they started closing our accounts. So, yeah, it was very complicated. Yeah, it's an issue. I know it's an issue. So, I mean, this went on for like three years. Like, were there, I mean, did any of the girls get arrested?

No, none of our girls got arrested ever. So what was actually, so what was the government saying that you had actually done that was. illegal that you were facilitating prostitution is illegal you know it shouldn't be but it is obviously I was breaking the law by facilitating them to commit

prostitution they were not forced they were not coerced they were like adults willing adults doing this but obviously I had some part of responsibility into making sure that they were doing that so and I was benefit i was getting a benefit from their activities so i was laundering money as well so how did the

the whole man how did the whole case kind of like unravel yeah unravel because i mean you're saying you weren't there were no arrest like you didn't see this coming what did you just come out of nowhere do you kind of um well i feel like you know because all these women coming through the airport really young girls that were coming frequently to the united states with no job or like known occupation from like Venezuela, Colombia and everything. Yeah, they, you know, it raised red flags for the Feds. And at the same time, I don't have confirmation of this, but I feel like that's one of the reasons.

ERO's Guide, the website that I was telling you about, they got rated. So when you advertise with them, you have to send your passport or your ID so they know who you are. So I suspect that when they raided Eros, all that database and everything, the Feds had it. So it was just a matter of time. Okay. Like, you know, she owns this.

Here's her passport. And this girl's work for her. So it's a matter of like matching that with like them coming and going. Get stop at the airport. Probable cause of them coming in prostitution. So get one of the girls, have the girls flip. And then we have everybody. And this is what happened.

All right. Plus the bank and, you know. Right, right. Well, I mean, so did you know there was an investigation going on at any time? Or did you just one day, did you get raided? No, we never got rated. You got a letter to turn yourself in? No, what happened was that, you know, we knew.

Like, girls started to get, like, picked up at the airport. So we were like, oh, my God, you know, this is not good. But we didn't. With a client? No, by themselves. The girls were coming. They weren't even working for me at the time. Right.

Some of them. this is after the fact they had gone to do their thing i suspect that maybe like maybe i don't have confirmation of this but i you know i heard that one of them was bringing drugs here so in order for her to like get out of his her mess she turned on us so but i don't have confirmation of that but you know it's something i i could consider so um so yeah so they started getting picked up They started getting calls from the agents and everything. You know, and we knew that at some point, we were going to get picked up. And we just kept working and we got picked up.

So how did that happen? Well, it was May 31st, 2018. I used to live in an apartment in Midtown. So, yeah, the Feds just came knocking on my door. And the thing is like, the crazy thing, my ex-husband got picked up. not he didn't get picked off first they they did a search warrant at the studio and they got like his computers and everything else but uh i mean so and our attorney at the time was the same attorney that was representing him and helping him with that so the attorney was like don't worry about it you know like we'll take care of this instead of being proactive proactive and saying listen like you know they are after you guys let's like go talk to them maybe we can like do some damage control here no he was like no worry uh everything is okay i don't think anything is going to happen that happened in i'll say april 2018 and a month after we got picked up so yeah it was terrible

yeah so you definitely know it was coming um i knew it was i mean it's weird because like i told you our attorney was assuring us that nothing was going to happen yet they you know and even when i got picked up. I was like, okay, this guy claims that it's not that bad. So maybe he knows something I don't know. But at the end, I realized that he was a con artist. So, you know, that was a problem too. Yeah. Yeah. He took a, I mean, and if he's listening, I hope that he gets this bar. Because that's what he deserves for taking money from people and creating unnecessary conflicts and all those things. Yeah. It's a license to steal. Yeah. Um, give me one second.

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story yeah it's funny because everybody thinks they're always like you know attorneys they're always you know oh well I got an attorney yeah but did you get the right attorney You know what I'm saying? And that's very subjective. That's a drastic difference. That's very subjective because obviously when you're in trouble, I mean, I had in, you know, I was thinking the other day, I had three attorneys before we even got picked up. And they were all con artists. And then the fourth attorney was another corn artist.

So, like, you know, my only, you know, my only history with attorneys was that, okay, maybe all of them are like that. but, you know, I wasn't in trouble back then. And when I got, you know, when I was in trouble, then this guy just, you know, he completely screwed us. Yeah, give me $25,000. Oh, no. I mean. Friends with the door, whatever, 50 or whatever.

I'm friends with the judge. I'm going to get this quash. It's not going to be a big deal. That was another attorney. I had, you know, throughout my case. They have their lines. I'm friends with your judge. I have lunch with your judge.

I got your prosecutor, his job. And that's another one. I hope she gets this bar too. It's funny. I've met guys in Coleman that were arrested, and they had the same attorney, and they would get arrested on like a state charge that was clearly going to go federal.

And the lawyer would say, look, I don't do federal. I do state. It's, you know, give me this much money. I'm going to take care of anything that happens, state. I've got you.

I've got you. Well, do you think it's going to go federal? I wouldn't even worry about it going federal because there's no way this is going federal. It's not big enough, but he already knows it's going federal. you're transporting drugs between multiple state lines.

You got caught driving over from Georgia to Florida with drugs. Like it's going federal. And they're 20 grand and they take 20 grand and they know that two weeks later it's going to go federal. And then they go, yeah, I don't do federal. I'm sorry. Or they are like, oh, I got your case dismissed. Yes, because the feds pick it up. Yeah.

Yeah, they'll pick you. Yeah, I got your release. They'll pick you up. Yes. They're going to pick you up on the courtroom steps. As you're walking out of the holdover, they're going to, Yeah. And attorneys, I mean, I hate to say it. I mean, I work for one who's very ethical, but most of them are very unethical because they know that you're desperate. They know that they don't want to spend a lot of time in prison. And they know that whatever you have left, you'll spend not to do that. And, you know, they take your money. They disappear. They promise you things that are not even possible. And next thing you know, you're like going away for a long time. It's funny. My first attorney I paid, first time I got in trouble, I paid $75,000.

And he was like, when I first talked to him, he went over the sentencing guidelines with me and explained to me that when he showed me the guidelines, like he's telling me what this line means, what this line means. He's like, you're right here. That's basically, that's three years in prison plus probation. I was like, are you serious? Now, keep in mind, nothing changed in my case. So give me $75,000 and I'm going to try and get you probation. Give him the $75,000. Now that I understand the sentencing and guidelines, then I look back.

I know what the graph means, I was never facing prison. It was always probation. So he got me three years probation. But the truth is, I was never, I could have gone to a public defender and gotten probation. Yeah. I paid him $75,000. I got three years probation, which I was always facing. But he, I was terrified.

Like, I'm ready to give you everything I got to keep me out of prison. And, you know, so I mean, now I, you know, now you know better. And hopefully I never have to talk to another. attorney in that position anyway. Yeah. So. It's hard. Yeah.

It's bad. It's like, you know, look, it's important to pick the right attorney. Yes. Very. I had a, I had a client, listen, I know a guy one time. His family picked an attorney because, simply because he spoke Spanish. But the, but the guy actually spoke, the guy actually spoke English, but he also spoke Spanish. So why would you pick an attorney?

Who would do that? That's ridiculous. That's what, that was your, I, I did, wrote a story on a story. guy named Doug Dodd, his family picked his attorney because his first name was Doug, his dad's first name was Doug, and Doug's name was Doug. And he said, yeah, you know, it's Doug, Doug, Doug, so I just felt good about him. Oh, my God. That's what, and he paid him 40 grand. You paid him 40 grand because his name's Doug. What are you doing? So anyway, yeah. Yeah, but you know, like just to elaborate on that, because it's very important, right? A lot of people like you, like, you know, myself,

of, you know, and some people are that go and hire, retain attorneys because of the name. No, that's not, I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't want to do that either. I mean, maybe, but sometimes you don't ever know, yeah, you hire the firm and then they end up giving your case to an associate. You're not even going to get the main guy. Yeah, I've seen that quite a few times. So, got to be careful. I know a guy that you walked around Coleman talking about how he had Dershowitz as his attorney.

And he did, but you didn't have, like, Alan Dershowitz. You had, like, his cousin was like Tom Dershowitz, who also happens to be, like, what are you doing? Yeah. What do you think? Well, yeah, but his, you know, he can call him any time. What do you, what are you doing? You know, anyway. So you got, you got grabbed.

Did you get probation? I mean, I'm not probation. I'm sorry. Did you get out on bond? Yes. I was, yeah. I was out on bond. Well, I mean, I had to wait.

Because, again, my case. didn't involve coercion it didn't involve minors i mean it was like uh mainly money laundering and you know um transporting this women um at the beginning uh yeah my bond was uh what was it 250 000 with a nevia condition yeah what's a nebia is uh you have to make sure that the funds that you're paying your bond are clear oh okay the funds that you're paying your bond with are clear so you had a nevia condition, which we met. And, um, and then, you know, like I was out on bond for like eight months and then, you know, I had to go in, go back in again. So. And you were sentenced to. I was sentenced to 15 months by one of the best judges in the world. I love her. She's amazing. Um, yeah.

You don't hear that. You don't hear that a lot. I love her. She's the like the most amazing person. And I mean, thanks to her is that I got the time that I got, Because had it been for my attorneys, I would have gotten the maximum. She is, you know, an incredible person. She's very kind. She's very wise. You know, and she saw it right through that, you know, what they were trying to give me, what the government wanted.

It was unfair. What did the government want to give me? I was, my guidelines were 31 to 37. I ended up getting 15. Yes, 31 to 37 months. Wow. First time offender, 31.30 is it to what? 31 to 37.

That's 15, about what, 10 to 15 years? No, 31 to 37 months. Oh, months. I thought you meant, okay. No, 31 to 37 months. But still, like, you know, for the conduct, it was excessive. It was a lot because there was no coercion, no, nothing. Like, adults, you know.

Still a crime. Nobody's saying. No, nobody. No. They were willing participants, like, you know, they were free to come and go as they please. But, you know. So the judge. it right through and you know she gave me you know she gave me what's just what's reasonable yeah it was

reasonable um yeah i didn't get bond when they caught me i had three or four passports on me um yeah that's yeah that that was upsetting fly risk yeah so i mean i try to i've told me i'm good for it i'll be here i'm not going i'll be no um okay so uh what did you do your time uh federal detention center in Miami. In the detentions, you never went to an actual prison? No. No. Because my security level, because of the, I mean, it's weird because, again, my attorneys advised me incorrectly to plead through something instead of the other thing. Right.

So I pled to the charge that because they have no idea about what happens in prisons or how you get designated or like your security level. Right. My charge, it's somehow a sex offense, even though it's not a sex offense. even though it's not a sex offense it has a sexual component but I'm not a sex offender right so do you have to register

no no no because again there was no contact or no enticement or any of that the sex offender registry you know it's pretty broad like they'll put anybody in it like you don't have to yeah you know so I was wondering if yeah I mean and that was another mistake

that was made at the beginning because you know they didn't my attorney didn't read anything correctly so they had to fix that but no I mean you know but that caused me to end up like you know my security level was higher

so I couldn't qualify for camp had I pled to money laundering I would have qualified for camp but no I had to go to detention center which is like administrative facility so it's a low it's a security level low yeah so where

Um, so how long have you been out? Um, I got out January 24, 2020. So about about a year and a half. Yes. You're already working, uh, you already have a job working for a law firm and your own probation and you're, you're doing well or? Yeah, I'm, you know, fine. I'm fine. I'm going to law school, hopefully in August. So that was, I was supposed to be in law school when this happened, but obviously that didn't happen. So I'm back on track. Did you ever fight? Did you ever fight? Did you ever fight? follow 2255 or anything or you just I wanted to I wanted to but um because um I was waiting for a rule 35 because I cooperated then my attorney at the time didn't think it was a good idea because you're either with the government or against the government right so creating 2255 it's not going to get you a rule 35 yeah yeah yeah definitely so all right everything's yeah oh all right good I got a few questions just maybe you know my help with the title I guess what is like like the most money you'd say someone made in like whether it was a weekend or a trip over to

America um something like that because like you know you title a video making making certain amount of money oh yeah yeah so yeah so yeah what's the most uh well i mean look sometimes it could be 10 000 on a weekend sometimes it could be a little bit more um so yeah i mean depends on There were girls that were making $10,000 a weekend or? Yes. I mean, obviously they have to, you know, they have to pay their referral fee to the agency. But they, you know, they got to keep a chunk of money.

And, you know, that's the thing. We always took care of the girls. We were never greedy. Like, we always wanted to make sure that we told everything up front, you know, but they were doing well. And that's why they kept coming back. We didn't keep them like prisoners or anything. you know they would go and come back so they're going so they're they're coming to the united

states for 90 days or so and then going back to columbia with 30 or 50 or 100 or 60 70 so i know some of the girls were making like had made like was it like 80 grand or some of these i mean some of them made a lot of money yeah and so they're going back to columbia with 80 grand that's like 400 000 or something in the u.s you know and in retrospect i'm you know, I'm glad that I was able to help them, you know, have a better life because obviously with that, some of them bought apartments, some of them went back to college, they were able to help their family. So, yeah, a lot of, you know, they were able to accomplish a lot while they were, you know, working here. So, you know.

Any other questions? Yeah, I mean, throughout the whole process, any, like when something goes wrong or any crazy stories that um i mean there's great like i said you know there was cops that you know would like knock on their door and they would freak out and everything so are they calling you at this time like are they calling you to say hey the cops are here or well i mean we retained an attorney that uh he was in-house counsel so he you know he prepare our protocol and everything so they were supposed to call him but sometimes you know they didn't call him they call me or whoever but you know like we had to tell them to stay calm and you know sometimes like in reality

it wasn't even related to what they were doing it was just related to they're just drinking and you know yeah like you know things like that or maybe um i mean i mean i'm not going to say that maybe a couple of times it was because of that because you know like they were not discreet enough because we wanted them to like not be walking around the hotel with like provocative clothes you know and just be understated right but isn't that inevitable and you know but you just have to deal with it and make sure that they are safe that was you know the main thing that they don't freak out that they don't feel like we leave them hanging so yeah so what's what's kind of like the rules that you give somebody they just started like a quick run back well I had a caught of conduct like you know I was reading that the other the day, you know, I was like, wow, I mean, I can't believe I even wrote this. But, yeah, it's crazy. It's like, you know, what they give you an introduction when you apply for, like, a job or something.

So, well, I mean, you know, like they had to be, look good, you know, like, appearance, demeanor, be professional, treat clients right, because, you know, obviously there was reviews written so you don't want clients to write like negative things about them or else because they would have been a mess you know just keep keep the rooms clean because they were in hotels and sometimes they leave everything a mess you know and always be safe always make sure that you know whoever we're telling you that you're meeting with that you make sure that you're meeting with that person check their ID follow the rules no drugs, no alcohol, you know, always constantly check in with us, talk to us, let us know, you know, you want to go on a break, let us know, so that way we are not messing up your, and, you know, and like, just be responsible because a lot of these girls, unfortunately, like, they, you know, they don't, they never had a job before, so they don't know how to behave. And, you know, we try to train them.

and make sure that, you know, they were compliant with, you know, the rules that they were there for a reason. Right. So, so, but at no point when these guys are contacted, they're not, they're basically contacting him saying, hey, I need, I need a, I need someone to show up and go to dinner or whatever. They're not calling up and saying, hey, I need, I need someone to come by my place and have sex. No. That was, no. If they did, what would. We would never book anybody that talk explicitly to a explicit in that explicit manner to us because.

First of all, it's a red flag. You should never do that. And second of all, it's in poor taste. I feel like, you know, you should never do that. Because you wouldn't do it to a civilian. Maybe, I mean, you would. But especially to us that we have so much liability. Why would we want to put ourselves out there like that?

Could be a cop. But the guy, but they kind of know it's very possible this is where this could lead. Like, I mean, are these girls? Obviously, but if you think about it, even in the context of like the regular war, Yeah, going on a date or whatever. I mean, what do you got to expect? Like, you're taking a girl out to dinner. Like, you know, you hope that eventually, if, you know, the stars align, that something is going to happen.

And, you know, we all know what's going on. But are you suggesting that men take women out to dinner and buy them dinner expecting sex? I mean, I'm not going to sit here and listen to that. No, go ahead. Of course. I mean, you know, like, but I mean, I'm not going to deny. Maybe some men want to get to know, you know. you know, whoever they are taking out to dinner.

But, I mean, there's expectations, right? The girl expects to be treated a certain way. The guy expects to, you know, receive something in return. I mean, it could be that the girl kisses him. It could be that the girl holds his hand. But it could be that the girl, you know, if the chemistry is right, maybe they go somewhere. So it's really just saying, hey, wanted to come by, have dinner, be a companion, hang out. And then nobody's, okay, so nobody's ever saying anything about sex.

they're just saying let's hang out well i mean look and they had their the reason why they stayed in hotels is because clients would come to see them in hotels for it was an hourly thing mainly people book for an hour because they this were really busy people so the girls would stay in a hotel clients would book appointments and then we'll book them some of them were dinner dates some of them decided to take them on weekend vacations but mainly they were hourly appointments okay so um you know volume like seeing a lot of people so i'm a big fan of volume so what else anything you're really you're really very curious about something to think about so like how you had your business set up to an outsider like if they look at your business like what would they think it was i mean they would think it's just a regular

legitimate business it's an i mean and again like it's not illegal it's not illegal to to hire an escort to come and have dinner with you, that's not illegal. It's not illegal to provide compensation, like to compensate someone for their time. Right. Right. Because that's the premise that, I mean,

I thought that we were safe in that area. But then when you have like, you know, like when that transpires into something else, that's when you're breaking the law. And obviously, you know, it's like a catch 22.

You're not compensating somebody without the expectation that they, something else is going to happen. So, yeah, but, you know that's a great area I guess my one last question is like

was there one point for you where you knew that it could scale like into a business or like it was there like a moment of realization for you that you knew that you could scale this? Yes I mean look it was I mean we wanted to open as many agencies as possible even though we were the biggest ones like we wanted to open as many as possible

we even thought about opening somewhere else in other countries and everything else but it was very stressful too because obviously you have to be responsible for so many women even though you have staff and at the same time there's a lot of liability because the more agencies you have the more girls you have out there you multiply the risk by you know increments of whatever so yeah I mean of course because I was making a lot of money I wanted to make more money but at the same time you know so how much money were you making like Would you say a year or whatever you're bringing in? I mean, let's say that, you know, we were making about, I mean,

I would say at least more or less like a million a year, I would think. You're bringing, that is going to you. No, but then, you know, like we don't profit a lot from that. Like, you know, we were getting that, you know, discount the cost. I don't, you know, honestly, I don't really know, like, exactly, I mean, we made a lot of money. I cannot tell you an exact amount because a lot of things we, you know, paid our rents with and everything else. So, like, personal gain, yeah, I mean, we made money. So you're saying, like, gross, you're grossing around a million, but you're also paying out staff.

You're paying the rent. You're paying for things like that. I mean, I mean, bottom line, I had a great lie. I'm not going to lie. But, you know, I cannot give you exact amount. I don't. I understand. You know, this is, uh, any, you're famous?

I mean, there was a lot of famous people. There was a lot of important people. Very powerful men. But, you know, I would never, you know, it's not, it's our code. We cannot talk about it. But you have to live in Miami and I have to. Yeah, I mean, there was, I'm not going to lie. There was a lot of powerful people.

But obviously, like, for a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hashbreadd and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. I will always protect their identity. So what is in general? I mean, I'm sure it changed subtly, but what is an hour call? Well, it depends. Like sometimes it would be 300 an hour, 400 an hour. Yeah, it varies. Like sometimes they're staying overnight. Then obviously it's a different charge. be more like you multiply that by you know or uh it depends some girls wanted to charge more i mean

you know they set up they set their rates but um you know average 300 350 400 because you have to stay competitive it's market rate you're not going to go uh to a place where the average is you know 300 350 and charge 600 when maybe there's someone that looks like you that is sure i mean you know you have to like analyze all these things and stay competitive because you know from our perspective too we don't want somebody to come here and be like oh you send me somewhere and you know it was not successful so i don't want to come back so we wanted to keep them happy that was our main thing so the the women that you're getting these are are these like how are they contact how are you how are they they're contacting you or well we had we i mean friends of friends we used to advertise

We used to advertise a lot, too, you know, in different websites. You know, we had other contacts throughout, like, the world, let's say, that would, like, do recruiting for us. But mostly it was referrals, like, from other girls. My ex-husband would refer us girls to. Yeah, word them out or, you know, hey, my girlfriend wants to come. Right. You know, and, like, you know, and we also, I mean, that's a crazy thing. we would also give girls referral fees.

Like you send me your friend, we'll give you a referral fee too. You know, because we were fair. So what was your split? If somebody's making $1,000, what are you getting off? So we charge a flat fee for every appointment.

So let's say that the girl charged $300. We took $100. Okay. So, and sometimes for like longer dates it was percentage. But it was a flat fee because we didn't want to get into the whole like, oh, you're taking a lot of money from us. So it was flat fee, no confusions. Everybody knows what's going on.

So then you're just trying to work in bulk. It's just the... Yeah. Yeah, it's volume. It's volume. But I mean, look, some girls, like, they didn't have to do volume because they were so popular that a client, one client would book them for, like, extended dates, like, you know, a week or like three days or whatever. So some of them didn't have to do that.

But that's, you know, that's how you do it. Call me. You're all good? Do you want the name of the website again? Okay, all right. I mean, I can give it to you. I have no problem. I have no shame right now.

I have no shame. Anything else from the peanut gallery? What do I do with the other 52 minutes that I have left after I paid for the hour? Stop. You just stare at the ceiling, okay? You just stare at the ceiling. No, and that's the thing. Like, you know, I want to make sure and clarify that it was not like a sex rump.

Like, people are going to think, like, in an hour, I can, no, that's not the case. It was never the case. You know, like, I feel like clients appreciate being in the presence of a beautiful woman. So they want to talk to her. They want to hang out with her. Some of them would bring them lunch. So they would have lunch with them, you know, like they did their thing. They would have lunch with them.

Or they would have a glass of wine with them. Or they would talk about, I mean, the most random things that, you know. But that's, you know, I mean, it's companionship. Like, I know it's hard to understand. understand and put that concept in their minds, but it's just not about sex. I'm 52. I understand. I like that. Oh, he's your date. He's your date. Okay. We're leaving. Anything, uh, nothing? We're good?

I mean, is there any, any similarities between all the, like, men that you had, like, like, any characteristics that you notice and, like, all of them, like, they're just one of, like, what type of life they lived or? Well, look, most of our clients were married and obviously... Are you suggesting that a married man was... Sorry, go ahead. No, I mean, they were married and the reason why... I mean, look, things get complicated, right?

Like, you know, it's easier to see a girl for an hour than to have a girlfriend that might text you at random hours of the night and she's going to get very emotional and dramatic and she's going to destroy your marriage at some point. Or your wife is going to find out and then, you know, she's going to take it to the cleaner so you end up with nothing. Um, so yeah, I mean, you know, they were married, they were busy guys, very powerful, um, I'll say. Um, and very, they don't want the hassle. Like, they didn't want to deal with like drama. So, you know, go get someone for an hour. If they like them, see her again. But just very practical, um, and, you know, professional doctors, lawyers, uh, doctors, lawyers, uh, politicians. Um, um, um, politicians. Um, um, um, professionals who don't have the time to have a girlfriend but some of them were single too and very good looking and very successful but they also don't want the drama athletes yes athletes too all over the world the country over the country yeah so i was just going to say um there's that

there's a saying it's like you don't you're not you don't pay a prostitute for sex you pay her to leave correct you know correct correct but see I mean, and that's the thing. Like, you know, it's practicality. Why would I want to deal with somebody that is going to overstay their welcome when I can just, like, you know, do what I have to do. And like I said, if I like her, maybe she'll stay longer. So, but it gets, but don't get me wrong.

It gets complicated. Some clients want to have the girls as a girlfriend. When you ask me about problems, that was one of the problems. That there's, you know, like either the girls or the clients, they don't differentiate between like, you know, paid companionship and being a girlfriend. So, and then that can get really messy too. Some guy who's making half a million dollars a year at 300 bucks is nothing. So I actually.

But I do expect them to tip, though. I read a memoir where this girl was seeing this guy. And at one point, he wanted her to come and meet his family. And it was like, she was like, no, you're not. Yeah. No. That's not what this is. Like he, in his mind, like to him, the fee was nothing.

It was like he stopped associating the fee with what was really happening. And he suddenly started thinking that it was a relationship. And it's like, it's. Yeah. And that's when things get really messy because obviously, again, the girls are a fantasy, right? The girls are a fantasy. So some of them are so good at the fantasy that the clients are like, wow. I mean, this girl really loves me and, you know, wants to be with me for the rest of her life.

But, you know, like, yeah. I mean, I'm not saying that people don't fall in love with the clients or clients don't fall in love with the girls. But, you know, it starts in a certain way. And you have to respect that. And that was my battle with the clients and with the girls, too. I'm like, listen, you can be like, you know, like it's an hour. You book for an hour. You got to leave.

You want to stay more. You compensate her more. But some of them want to hang out with them all day thinking that that's their girlfriend. Right. It's not their girlfriend. So someone's got. She's got two appointments right after each other. If someone wants to go longer, like, after their first hour, they can't.

Well, it depends, right? I mean, they're not back to back. There's a break. I mean, you know, like to make sure that everything is perfect. But, I mean, depends if, you know, there's a spot available, maybe. But that's why we always told the clients, listen, like, you know, if you feel that you're going to have chemistry and you're going to have a good time with this girl, or you really like her a lot. Maybe you guys get along. Book in advance.

Because we used to pre-book so many appointments before, because we used to advertise before, sometimes, you know, like, they want to stay extra. They can. There's another appointment. So I'm not going to disrupt other clients' lives because this client wants to stay longer. You have to be respectful over the time. One other question. Sure.

As far as, like, the legality of it all, I know in America, it's legal. I'm sure in other countries, it's... No, in America, it's illegal. Is that how I said? You said legal. A legal in America, legal in other countries. Like, what are your thoughts like? There are some parts in America where it's legal.

There's only in Reno, in the Boney Ranch or those dingy places that are horrible. I never been there, but I've been told that it's horrible. Right. I mean, you know, maybe they are making it nice now. I don't know. Yeah, it's trailers. It should be legal. Because nobody should be able to tell you what you should do with your body.

Your body, you should be able. to do whatever you want like the same thing you do with your brain and your whatever like you know some people use their brain to create things you should be able to use your body whichever way you want to as long as it's not something that uh you know like it's in your detriment like you know as as long as you're not getting hurt i had i heard and i'm not positive well i mean this is what i had heard i actually saw i read it i forget but basically in run Russia, it must be legal because in Russia, they did a survey of middle school women. They were talking about this had something to do with sex, like in the world or whatever

and whatever, just different people's viewpoints of sex. And it was somewhere like in Russia, Ukraine or something, where they actually did a survey of middle school girls. And like 30% of them, when they said, what do you want to do? They wanted to enter the sex trade. And they were like, like Americans have a vastly different. different idea of sex than most countries do. Like, to them, it was like saying, I want to be a massage therapist.

Like, I want to enter the sex trade. This is, this is 14-year-old girls in middle school that are openly saying this is what I want to do. I mean, yeah, I mean, and I feel like there's a lot of hypocrisy in this country because, I mean, there's so many clients and some clients are politicians who probably oppose that this goes, you know, I mean, I don't think legal would be the world. I think it would be more decriminalization because I feel like when they regulate things, things get out of control.

Just make it not a crime. That's it. I'm not asking for them to make it legal because then the government interferes with everything and ends up being a pain. So, yeah, but I mean, you know, I feel like sex, like the sex industry is so big. I mean, I think it's one of the ones that makes the most money in any country, especially here, because you still have porn. that's, you know, pornography, that's another industry.

You have webcams. That's another industry. You have only fans, which to me, I mean, you know, like, I mean, what do you think the girls that only fans are doing? Like, you know, yes, people look at their pictures, but I'm sure they get messages too. Hey, I want to meet you. Okay. It's going to be this much.

It's prostitution. Right. But, you know, like people think it's not. But it should be, people should be able to do whatever they want. As long as they are adults and have, like, like, you know, a decision, like, you know, they are able to decide consciously what they want to do. That you'll be able to do whatever they want without government interference. All right.

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