Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Selling Fake Super Bowl Tickets

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

Selling Fake Super Bowl Tickets

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Hey, we're doing a podcast real quick with Colby and Matt Cox, and we're going, Colby's going to talk about when he got ripped off one. Yeah, I figured I don't have too many scam stories, but we're here waiting for, waiting to shoot a podcast today. So I got a little scam story, basically, where I'll just kind of tell the story because, you know, I don't want to give away the big reveal at the end. but this was back in high school and there was the National

Championship football game in New Orleans and a big Alabama fan, big football fan so I was it was probably like Christmas break or something and it was like last minute, last second decision I was like my brother had tickets and he was going so I just told my buddy he was like we should go like we should just drive over there

like six probably 17 years old like we should go to New Orleans and just hang out and like you know go see everything and my dad's like yeah sure you just like be careful You know, you are going to be some kids rolling around New Orleans, you know, midnight, you know, just be careful. You're 17. Think you know everything.

Yeah, I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah. He's going to get over on me. I'm like, oh, go on, man. And I'm, man, I'm just pumped. I'm ready like, okay, let's just go do it. Let's go make it happen. So within about five, six hours, me and my buddy decided, okay, like, let's drive up.

Let's go to New Orleans. You know, we'll drive over there. So we started driving about a halfway point, Tallahassee, and my brother's going to his college at Fort State. We parked there at the night. I go upstairs. And he's like, hey, did you park? you park the parking spot and I was like oh yeah yeah we're good we're good and uh we wake up at like 5 a.m the next morning and we go down to get in the car and like make the drive to new orleans

like a six seven hour drive that's left and uh my car's gone like already starting off the trip like the first night like my car's gone and I parked in guest parking like the college parking in Tallahassee four states like if you're not parked the right spot like they're tolling you like every apartment complex so I wake up like 5 a.m. and I'm my car's towed and like go my older brother you know bigger guy he didn't he didn't tell you to where to park he did he did that's the thing he did so it was my fault okay but he's driving me to the tow place like we're waiting for the tow place open at seven we drive the tow place we're about halfway there across the town he's pissed because he's the wake up early take me right we're about

halfway there and then I realize like my keys like I need my keys for my car they're at the apartment and I'm like hey like we got turned around just like it's seven eight And he's yelling, cursing, turned around, go back. So, like, eventually we start heading to New Orleans, and we get there and meet my buddy and all that kind of stuff. And, uh, and now I'm paranoid. I'm like, okay, I don't want to park somewhere where my car gets towed again. So, like, we drive, I just drive to my brother's hotel and literally, like, like, almost

right by Bourbon Street is so packed. I'm, like, driving my car, like, the next street over. And then eventually, like, I pulled up some house and this guy, like, oh, yeah, you're going to park here? here like $30 and I'm like oh I guess everybody's so nice here yeah and he's like yeah yeah yeah you know Tyrone Matthew y'all know Tyrone Matthew is like the biggest player on LSU because it's LSU Alabama so it's like kind of like a local game like yeah that's my cousin that's my cousin like y'all come over here and I'm like well I'm staying here overnight like you know uh I don't I know is that

okay and he's oh that's $50 then that's $50 and I was like oh okay whatever so so eventually we park we go find my brother and all that kind of stuff and they got tickets to the game and me and my buddy are just kind of planning on, you know, hanging out or doing whatever. Go down to Bourbon Street and, you know, see all the pregame festives like just crowded Alabama

LSU fans and stuff like that. So my buddy, not my buddy, my brother, he goes into the game and the game starts and it's 9-0 at halftime and I'm just watching in the hotel room and Alabama's winning so I'm like, okay, you know what, like let's just go down at Burma Street let's go to a bar and like finish it there.

And, you know, I walk out the hotel, And some guys are like, hey, tickets, tickets, tickets. And it's half time. It's already half time. So he's selling him cheap. Yeah, he's selling him cheap. That's what I'm thinking. And it's possible because.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm like, oh, shoot, you know, it's 9-0. The game's halfway over it. Now he's just trying to make some money. Right. So I thought. And I was like, oh, let's see what he got to say. My buddy.

He's just like, no, like, what are you doing? Like, let's just go. Let's just go to the bar. I'm like, no, let's see what he says. And he's like, oh, I was like, how cheap, sheep? And I can't remember exactly what he said. My buddy says, he says, well, how much you got? And I was like, oh, you know, I could do like $100 or something.

You get $100 to work. I mean, they say whatever it is. So here I am. You're trying to salvage his investment. And my buddy's like, dude. Or it appears that way. Yeah, yeah. My buddy's like, dude, no, no, we're not doing this.

And I'm like, go on. Why is your buddy concerned just for the money or he just doesn't trust the guy? I mean, he don't trust a guy. He don't care about the football game. he don't he didn't want to spend the money he didn't want to spend the money it's $100 for what he's like dude come on and I'm like total opposite I'm like this is the biggest game in the year like I got to get in there like here's my opportunity like I'm going to make it happen and there were red flags that were coming up like when I was talking to him I was like

oh well let's just go to the stadium and and like you know we'll just I just so make sure the ticket's real and all that kind of stuff when we get to the stadium and um he's like oh no you know something about being an authorized dealer you can't be on campus grounds It's just some, just some BS. But, I mean, honestly, he could have said anything. At that point, I was just like, these are my $100 national championship tickets. Like, I'm getting in with this. And, you know, I called, I don't even know if I had $100.

I think I called my dad. He's like, yeah, sure. And he probably, I don't know. I mean, who knows what I was telling him. But he was like, okay, yeah, sure. So, like, I get $100. And then my buddy, like, he's like, well, I'm not just going to be rolling around New Orleans by myself. By myself.

Like, I'm going to have to buy these tickets, too. And he's like, he's pretty sure, like, these tickets are fake. Like, this guy's sketchy, all this kind of stuff. And I'm like, well, let me get your phone number. He's like, okay. So I got his phone number. I got his phone number. For what?

What's that going to do? Assuming it's the right number. Assuming it's the right number. I didn't call him. I didn't text. I'm like, okay, you know, I got this guy's number. Give him a hundred bucks. My buddy, you know, gives him a hundred bucks.

And we're probably like a 10 minute walk. And now I'm like, okay, like the third quarter is got to start. Like, I got to get there. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like speedwalk. and I'm, like, almost jogging to the stadium. Like, on a high. I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, I got these tickets.

And my buddy, like, he's just walking. Because he already knows. He just like, he already knows. He's like, I got this freaking ticket that's, like, probably worth nothing. And I get all the way up in there. And I, like, give them my ticket. And I'm like, here you go.

Like, yeah. And they try to scan it once. They try to scan it twice. And they're like, oh, yeah, you got to go downstairs. Like, it's not working. And sure enough, like, I go downstairs, give it to them, give it to the people and they might have scanned it one time and they're like oh

how much do they get you for? And I was like what? And I know I had a ticket. I was like this is it. This is legit and it. It was fake. So I only paid like 100 bucks. I was like oh they got me for 100 bucks and I like oh well you're lucky like people paid like 900 like $1,200. I was like well can I keep the ticket like for a souvenir? You know I hang it up on my wall and they're like no

like you can't because you know I guess you could go resell it but uh like yeah and then i then i like then i walked back to the hotel like my buddy he i don't even he didn't even scan him and i called him i called him but i don't even know if i called him to be honest i was just so pissed but you know in hindsight i was like there's so many red flags that were going off i called the guy after and they're like who knows what number was it wasn't his some some spanish guy but uh there's so many red flags at the time but i was just like you know

there's like there's no way that i'm not going to like take this opportunity for like a hundred bucks and then uh i wonder how many of those tickets he sold like that day like he just has to keep moving locations especially if you're uh yeah you're yeah you're not from there so i just have to move kind of move locations yeah in the area and then go sit at my house for three days yeah especially you got a bunch of pop yeah think of he if he sold five or if he sold six of that's 600 bucks and he probably sold him yeah and he well he probably sold him a lot more than the hundred bucks because they said at the window that is like people bought them for like 900 bucks especially even you got you got a whole bunch of

album fans there I meant like halfway like that day like after it started halfway through like that that's like the best time like you you're you sell them before the game like people have a chance to figure it out you know what I'm saying and even just as the game kind of happens they have a chance but halfway through the game you you should be pretty good plus it's easy money because if you're trying to sell a ticket that should be being sold for 500 or a thousand dollars that's you're going to talk to a lot of people but if it's it's like hey I'm just trying to salvage my investment I really got screwed on this ticket I'm just trying to get a hundred bucks people were like what a deal yeah like you could sell that same ticket

over and over and over and over yeah you still probably make a nine a thousand you know two thousand dollars in a day because or while the game's going on yeah as long as you have enough of the counterfeit tickets yeah yeah and got enough kids like me that are willing to do it so good times drag their buddies into it And then I had to go get my car. And luckily my car was all good. So I didn't get my car to the second time and drove back. I was going to say that the whole driving and getting your car,

like that's just like such a teenager thing to do. Like you're excited and forget about everything. And like my girlfriend's daughter, who never doesn't have her phone in her hand, you know, stopped, went into like a wah-wah bathroom or something. came back out they got in the car driving they're driving on their way here and she's like where's your phone hmm where's your phone she starts looking around you know she walked into wall wall sat it down in the bathroom and something and then left she's like what are you what the and then she does it all the time like she's every time she comes here she'll come here and

something will happen and she has always forgotten something oh yeah but that's your 17 you're 15 you're whatever you're you're you're not thinking they're not thinking through and then your buddy your but i mean you had to know him you he he knew he was like he was so reluctant he was like dude he's trying to talk me out of it there wasn't no one was talking me out of anything like once i had my mindset like i'm getting this even the phone number like you couldn't have said not that you could do anything if you said okay great but if i called him yeah you could have called them right there and if it rang but right then let's say you would call them right there and it didn't ring hit his phone oh oh i must have given the wrong right then it's like come on stop yeah we're

done. But even if it did ring, so what? What are you going to do later? If you did call him and it was really his number, what's he going to say? All he has to do is go, what are you talking about? Man, you're the third guy. I had like 10 tickets. Somebody got me too, bro. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, I can meet you right now and give you the money back. Or no, man, I mean, I can't, man, because I paid the other guy. I'm sorry, bro. I feel bad. Like, what are you going to do? There's nothing you can do. He's gone. Yeah. I mean, this whole story kind of reminded me another time. And like, this was in middle school, you know, like a little scam or whatever people would do in middle school was like, you know, you take your phone in with you and you'd like having your backpack and a PE, you know, we all go outside, go to the gym, whatever. And some kid would, you know, I need to go to the bathroom.

The bathroom's in the locker. And they go to that bathroom and they start digging through everybody's backpack, pulling out their phones, all this kind of stuff. And funny story is like, we had, I got my phone still on, you know, come back and my phone's gone. I'm like, you know, okay, like, just tell my dad or whatever. Hey, I got a new phone. And, and then, like, the next day, like, you got a text from somebody that, like, we knew that went to. There's, like, you know, your normal school. And then there's not your juvenile school, but, like, correction school.

Like, where if you get in trouble, like, fights, whatever, they send you there. And somehow my phone had ended up at that school. And there's, like, somebody that we had known that goes there. And it's, like, texted, like, literally, tech, I guess somehow knew it was my phone. like texted my parents like hey like i have colby's phone like right ended up at the school i just want to let you know and then uh yeah sure enough like my dad's like okay great you know we'll see you tomorrow we'll pick it up and then you know it got it got stolen off the bus off of him so who knows what happened with that i was good you

know so you know something like that in prison what guys will do is they will so this is like a scam in prison you have your locker right so your whole life's in your locker yeah you have all your food you have your stamps you know books of stamps are like a currency so guys will have like

I've known guys that have had $800,000 worth of stamps in their locker a lot of guys will put them in different people's locker like bro can you hold $50 worth of stamps for me so one of of the things guys would do in prison is so everybody has a lock on their locker they would go

and you know your lock is always unlocked sitting on your locker so in the morning you're going to go out to the rec yard for why is it always unlocked well well it's not on if you're there if you're in the room yeah okay you know if you get up like me if i walked out of my room to go down the hallway and go to the bathroom and i'm going to be back in five minutes i locked my lock yeah like you're not getting me because these guys are stealing from each other like in in state prison it's horrible these guys are literally like they're like sticking people up it's like you can you i know that this guy and this guy just robbed me but what can you do they're both six foot two huge guys with life sentences and you know you're five foot you know six five foot seven you're a little guy you got

nobody to help you like there's nothing or you go tell the the cops well you can tell the cops one you're probably still not getting your stuff back two it's your word against theirs and three now you're going to have to check in because they'll kill you. So it's horrible. That's like state prison. It's really rough, like where Josh went, you know. But even in federal prison, guys will just, they're just a little smarter about it.

They're a little slicker about it. And they'll rip you off. Like, they'll just kind of hang out and wait for you to leave and they know he is always leaving his lock or lock. Then they'll sneak in and have a look out, and the guy will rob you, go in and grab a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Now, I never really had anything.

You know, I kept virtually nothing. But some guys, they make their whole life about being in prison. And they'll, they're gambling, they've got hundreds of dollars worth of stamps, and people know about it. So here's what guys would do. Like, guys who have been in prison probably are already like, yeah, I know exactly what it's going to say. But to me, the first time I heard it, I thought, that's really a genius. So all the locks look the same. So what they would do is the guy, so you're in your cell one morning, and you're going to go to the rec yard for five or six hours.

Well, what a guy would do is he'd go in and be talking to you some. and when you turned around or he and another guy would come in they just talked to you maybe some guy you knew or something yeah while you're not looking and you're talking they take their lock and place it in place of your lock because what's going to happen and so what happens and then they walk out so then 10 minutes later you're leaving to go to the rec yard you turn around you grab what you think is your lock and you lock your locker with it and you leave so then that guy when you're gone, he, him or his buddy, who most of the units have to be emptied out during certain periods of time. But there are orderlies and some people who are allowed to stay in the units.

They have to clean. Or maybe you're allowed, you're what, that you have like a bed pass where you're sick or you have a bad back and you don't have to go. You can actually lay in your bunk during the day. So what happens is then everybody leave. So now the guys that were in your, in your room with you, they leave with you. So now I've seen you the whole time. You were with me. So I'm not even thinking about you. Well, one of the orderlies will then go into the room.

He knows the combination. He does the combination. Unlocks the lock. Takes everything he wants out of your, like get your stamps, get your, they'll get your potato chips. They'll get all your soups. They'll get everything they want. Take as much that they'll find your radio, your extra headphones, your everything. They just completely rip you off.

Then they close the locker back up and they lock it back with your. lock yeah so when you come in three hours later you go to unlock your lock it unlocks it's fine you open it up you go grab a little here then maybe you go i where are my soups i thought i had where's my chips what the hell's going on you start to look through and you're like where are my stamps where my and then you realize oh my god i got how did that happen like i have a walk like what the hell yeah some guys will do this too typically So you just got robbed and you have no clue. Like you don't think that your buddy or this other guy that you've known came and talked to you for two minutes with his buddy about something.

You don't think like they had time that we, I was right here. And it was my lock. I unlocked it. So you're like, because even if you know the scam, you're still thinking, well, they could have. Like you just don't know. What are you going to do? You're going to go accuse them? They're going to be like, bro, what are you talking about?

I came in to talk to you about the volleyball game. Like, that's what I talked to you about. Like how many other people talked to you before you left for the right? backyard today. Did you accuse everybody? Yeah. You don't know who talked. So, or who did it. Um, what another thing guys will do is this. They'll come in when a guy first comes on the compound. And a lot of guys. So if you're like a white guy, typically you get there. And if you're like a solid white guy, the other white guys will come to you and be like, because you just got off a bus. You have nothing. And one of the things you don't want to do is like, let's say you've been on a bus all day.

You want to take a shower, but you don't want to go in the shower without shower. slides. You know what I'm saying? So I'm going to go in there and stand in the fungus and I'm going to get some athlete's foot. God knows what I'll get in there. So you want to have shower slides. And you want certain things you just want. You need to have because they get, when you get off the bus, you basically are wearing just your bus clothes for two or three days. Then you get your regular stuff. Like you may not be able to go to commissary for a week. If you have money on your books, your money may not come, be placed on your books for weeks. You know, or even if you have property. You may not get your property from another prison for weeks. Typically what

happens is the other white guys, or if you're Hispanic guys, you know who's great about this is Spanish. Like the Mexicans will come to you immediately. They'll come to you with a care package. So guys will come to you and say, hey, man, what's going on? I know you just got here. I got a pair of shower slides for you from commissary. So either buy new ones or just clean these up and give them back to me. Okay. Here's a, here's a new, toothbrush if you want it that's fine you can use the one that they're going to give you which is about this tall which is crap and crappy you know like everything's crap so it's like look here's all your stuff and by the way i know you got your locker but you don't have a lock so i got to go ahead

and you can use my lock for now or this lock it's you know and they'll rewrap it in a package and like they just bought it here's lock i always have that so you know just you can you can keep that one or you can buy one on commissary you know or you can You just give me a commissaire for whatever you want to do. You know, but you, so sure, now the guy's got your lock. So sure enough, that's what happens. So you think, wow, what a good guy. Yeah.

And he brought me all this stuff. He gave me a bunch of soups. He gave me this. He gave me that. What a nice guy. And then, of course, you then go to commissary. You're still waiting for your stuff to come. And then, boom, they rip you off as soon as you go out to the rec yard.

Or maybe you even give him, buy him commissary. In worst cases, you buy him commissary for the law. what do you want for this lock? I'm going to keep it. Because you don't have a clue. You don't know. Yeah. Like I wouldn't have thought he actually,

his whole thing was set up so that I would keep the lock. Yeah. Like I wouldn't even think that. He would do this whole thing so that he would have my locker combination so that in six months from now he could rob me. And guys will do that. So some guys will be like, you know what?

Hey, you know what? You could just keep that lock. Like it was my old cellies. He's gone. Don't worry about it. You know what? Just if, you know,

don't even worry about. Just keep it. Oh, okay. Cool. man and then you keep it and two months later everything you have gets ripped off because why well because i've always had your locker combination so you know these guys are it's people are always getting you know there's so many scams look look you'll never get rid of scams yeah you know it's there's always going to be a scam there's always going to be some guy who's who's thinking that along

those lines yeah you know look at boziac boziac was making was he making fake little This was when he was a little kid, he was making fake John Bozziac, this guy right here. Bent, I wrote a book called Bent about this kid by this guy, John Boziac. Anyway, he, when he was a kid, of course, he was broke. You know what I'm saying? He was broke. And he was on, growing up, kind of like on the beach in Miami, he actually used to make counterfeit like a $5 gift certificates to like Burger King and McDonald's.

And he said, you know, you would go in. in there he's like they wouldn't scan yeah he said they'd try and scan them once twice and then they'd have to call a manager and the guy would look at him and be like all right just give them the food like they just give them the food like what do i care it's four dollars it's five dollars or whatever it is you know just give them the thing and hey it's not scanning but i'm going to give you the food like even if they think it's a even if they think it's a scam they're still going to give you the food and if not then they throw it in there what do they care it's a five dollar gift certificate i mean who cares yeah so and if it gets excessive like which he's told me he said which at some

it got excessive where they were like yeah this is unless it scans I can't use them you're gonna have to write a letter to the you're sorry done yeah get out but most of time but yeah tickets no they can't let you just go inside and sit in somebody else's seat oh yeah yeah yeah especially halfway through and the only they said the only thing difference between that ticket was like if you had like an LED light and shine it on it right it's like a blue streak like a blue like holographic streak but uh yeah there was a couple other like talking about the cell phone scans I'm scams I remember one time like me and my buddy playing basketball this is probably high school you know playing basketball you know now we if we did if we went back now like we don't take our phones our

wallets in there but like you know you put your put your phone your wallet on the bench you play basketball for an hour and a half two hours like you got gym for 50 people 60 people walking through like you go back to your your normal like sandals shoes whatever you brought in there and your phone's gone and uh my buddy one time his phone is gone stolen and then sure enough his dad got a call like, hey, my son just, my son just bought this phone for $60 if you want to meet me all the way across town, like, yeah, I just realized, I just realized it's stolen. So, you know, 60 bucks, it's like, at that point, it's just like, okay, you know, here's 60 bucks.

Yeah, I'll give you six. Yeah, yeah, I would, listen, if my, my phone ended up missing, I would rather be extorted for the 60 bucks and have to go through the process of getting another phone. Like 60 bucks is worth. Yeah. That's totally worth it. You got me. Here's 60 bucks.

no he really did find it man i don't care if you stole it you go look me in the face and say i stole your phone i want a hundred bucks give it back here's a hundred bucks yeah like i don't i don't care i just need my phone back there's too much stuff in my phone yeah my life is like it would be straight chaos if if you got a hold of my phone yeah so much so much information in there a couple i'm trying to the only other like scam related story i have um is like me my buddies we used to play like this video game like like on the computer and you know like a multiplayer game where you like collect money and all this kind of stuff and try to like

get rich and like we had a couple that was the funnest thing about playing the game was like getting rich and like pulling scams on people which is like in the video in the video game and it's just like it's kids it's like we're like 10 12 years old and like there's a couple of different things we would do like

um you know obviously like we'd be working together like you know me and him would be working together would find somebody and we'd just you know do a little deal or something and like pretty much just like rip this guy off, but like the best one that we kind of stumbled upon, someone tried to pull it on us, it's like a fishing site

that makes it look like the login for the actual website. So like someone came to it was like, hey, like click on this thing and you'll get free money in the game. You'll get free money in the game. And you click on this link that they send you and it pops up

on your thing. It says, oops, you've been signed out. And they think they've been signed out of the game by clicking on the link. And really it's just like a fake website that has a same background, same login thing. So there's like, oh, log back in and they log in. You just gave them all your information. And it just sends it to a notepad. And we didn't, we're like 12 years old. We don't know how to build this like website, but somebody had done it. And then they just said like, hey, I'll show you how to do it. Like, all you need to do

is type in the website name and then type in like dashed notepad and it'll pull up all the username and passwords that everybody's tried to log in with. And it's just like a long list. And we would just like, you know, go on these people's things. And then we would go log into their account, take all their stuff, like put it on our account. And then we would then message all their friends, like within the game that they probably talk to every day, that they know and trust. And I'm like, hey, like, check out this website. Like, I just did this. And it's coming from someone they trust.

Right. They all go to the website and they just, it's just like a cycle over and over again. And we just used to. You're a horrible person. Yeah. It was, yeah. There are little kids all over America. just they've been scammed and horrible.

Oh, yeah, it was, yeah. Mom. Yeah, and it was like real. I mean, you pay real money for that stuff to start off. And then, yeah. And they'll be in the comments. People would be like, I got scammed like that. You're a scumbag.

There was like little casinos. You could, like, in the game, there was like little casinos. And like you would basically roll dice. Some people would pay you money and all type of stuff. And then like if you lose, like if you wanted to, you could just like. run. It's just those

those were those are my scheme days the only thing I really have but yeah those are that was honestly the funest part of the game

but yeah looking back on it probably shouldn't have been that how old were you oh I was like what year was this I was like middle school

so 12 and I was going to say I was in prison yeah like this whole this whole situation I was in prison

yeah so yeah I mean like I was playing I was playing back when like Halo and like Halo

two came out. Yeah. That's like in 2002 or something like that. I was, no, 2000 and I think 2004, like they came out with like Halo 2. It was like a huge thing. Yeah. Man, I mean, so the whole time I was locked up, there was games went from that level to just through the roof where you're just playing people all over the country.

You're trading stuff. You have your building city. Like the whole gaming community just turned into an entirely different beast while I was gone. Oh, yeah. It's all I couldn't even... It's crazy. There's a...

I mean, kids nowadays, what they do, they still do scam. Like, kids are running scams on, like, Xbox, like, you know, Fortnite. You know what that is? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, like, you have end-game currency,

like, V-bucks or, like, coins or whatever. And what these kids will do is that... They'll probably go on, like, a Reddit page or whatever, and say, like, I have this rayer thing that I want to give away, or I can get you anything you need in the game. Like, if you want special gun, special whatever, like, I can get it for you.

and they get on these like voice chats with people and they just if it's another like eight year old nine year old kid like hey oh yeah yeah well i know like my dad knows how to do this or i know how to do this where i can like get into the system and buy you pretty much anything you need and then it's just like you know we just exchange you exchange passwords and stuff like that right and uh the only reason i know about it is there's like youtube channels like specifically for people that like you know we're gonna call this guy and we're gonna get them on the phone just like mess with them right and like it's like these guys like messing around messing with like 10 year old kids that are trying to scam them like oh so what do i need to do it's like oh you just need to do this you need to do this and the kids just like kind of going on and on and at the end he's like dude like you think i'm going to do that like i'm not an idiot and uh yeah it's just how many people i'm sure do oh yeah like there's always some some there's always some uh some colby walking around go what tickets yeah i just got i just got tickets from them yeah there's there's there's just a lot of don't i mean don't people I guess that fall for the stupidest things like I mean most I think people are just

trusting yeah yeah because you know it's it's like it's like a lot of scams people will tell you um you know like let's say a Ponzi scheme or a phone scam people are always like oh you're an idiot or you have to be like an old person who's not control their faculties or somebody who's you know somebody who's not that smart but the truth is is that most people that get scammed are you know have college educations like they're not stupid like they're not they're you know there are regular people that they got scam because typically if the scam set up right then it sounds plausible like if that was what was really happening like so I'm going to invest in I'm going to give you money you're going to buy

properties you're going to renovate them and sell them like that well that's a real thing and then this is a pool of money that does it yeah and overall we can show where we make on average 40% a year or 35% and you're like that's within reason and I know my buddy John does that. So people start to kind of go, that makes sense. And you're right, if all of this was happening, that does make sense. But that's not what's happening. What's really happening is you're sending me your money and I'm just spending it on my own stuff.

And the documents that you're asking for to prove that the money's growing, I can provide you. And I can provide you other people that are also investing in the scam. But they also think they're putting money into a pool that's buying, you know, real estate. and renovating it and buying commercial properties and renting it out and doing all these things. But, you know, and you can check your account. You can see where your money is growing. And then even if you came to me and said,

listen, Matt, I need, I mean, I know I've made $25,000. I put in $100. I made $125 or I made $125. So I have $1.25. I need my $125 back. I feel uncomfortable. I need the money. No problem.

I give it to you. Yeah. So what happens? Two months later, you don't know, you give me the money back, but you also talk to four of your buddies. Bro, it's legit. The other day he cut me a check for $125. Or for 30, I needed 30 grand.

He gave me 30 grand. Like, I mean, trust me, it's legit. I've been investing with this guy for a year. The truth is your 100,000 is gone. And the money I just gave you came from somebody else. And I'm really just maintaining the scam at this point. And it's growing. And you just got me three more people.

And so the scam gets bigger and bigger. And you think, well, yeah, I'm investing in real estate. No, you're not. It's a Ponzi scheme. You're an educated person. You're getting receipts. You're getting, think about all the people that made off ripped off for decades. You know, he's not investing that money.

and you're getting a monthly report and people came to him they put in half a million dollars and then they even took out let's say a million dollars of the course of 10 years they took out more than what they ever put in so of course you're also telling all your buddies where you invest your money yeah so is it worth it for Madoff to pay you for you to put in half a million and over the next 10 years Madoff pays you back a million is it worth it to Madoff to do that bring it in probably five million so you probably brought it for five million extra you know additional funds. So, you know, if you can maintain your scam, you know, it's great. And if it makes sense, it's great. But is the money really going to buy these stocks? Yeah. It's, you know, it's, it's rough. So it's not always just young kids or old people or somebody who's just stupid. It's just, sometimes these guys are just that slick. Yeah. And you're just, how are you going to beat that guy? Yeah. There's a couple, like, while you're talking, there's more scams that pop up my head that I've noticed. Like, obviously, like, if you're watching YouTube, you probably see the YouTube scams, you know, like the bigger guys like Graham Steff.

and all them like if you go into the comment section yeah you know there there's people trying to pose as them and then also there's like there was a guy that was posing as me at one oh really yeah and here somebody had done a little thumbnail of my thumbnail yeah it only happened a few times and i immediately went and put you know scam yeah scam scam scam happened over the course of maybe a week and i kept putting you know scam scam scam scam and then eventually it went away yeah and then i know what you're about to talk about yeah and then they'll have people like comment like two normal people that, you know, aren't associated and it looks like they're having like a genuine conversation.

Like, I made this much money. Like, oh, how'd you do that? And then everyone's reading the comments and they're like, oh, they text this guy. And they've made videos about confronting scammers like that. Yeah. One scam that I don't know how anybody would fall for is like, I get these random spam emails like,

hi, like, I have 28 million in the bank for you or like, or all that from Nigeria. Yeah, yeah, the Nigerian print scheme. Yeah. I'm like, that's a 409 scam. I think I call it a 409 scam And 409 is the code The fraud code for Nigeria Yeah

Like and that's what it's like I think it's called a 409 And it's always like it's always like worded like Hello my friend like It's just like it's like okay like obviously Like this isn't like an American speaking guy But there's a couple They're not bad like some of the like

The problem is most of those scam guys are like The letters are the the That they send you like it's such broken English Yeah, that's the, that's the bigger thing. But I've had said some, like, one that's almost, you know, as raised my eye and how to think about it for a few minutes, was like, I would get an email from, like, Oh, wait, it's 4-1, I'm sorry,

it's 419 fraud scam. It's a 419 Nigerian letter or 419 fraud scam. Yeah, it must be getting someone from it. I mean, oh, bro, they've been doing it for, it used to be letters. Yeah. You understand before the internet, they were just mailing letters. Yeah.

And then it became phone And of course it was followed by phone calls Then initially then it was emails But it just keeps growing and growing But yeah I'm sorry No you're good And then like I said the one email That almost got me

Or maybe at least think about it It was like I got an email From like my pastor At my church and it just comes in as his name I'm like okay I know this guy Like why is he emailing me And it's like hey like I want to talk to you About something like

But I'm going into a meeting Don't call me just email me because they don't want me a college real phone number and then you go click on their and you can just create like a Gmail account or whatever and you click on their Gmail

like that's not associated with the website that he's from or whatever and then but like that and then trying to sell stuff on eBay people will message me and like one of the things that I've noticed is like urgency

they kind of want something urgency or like hey like I'm buying this for my daughter in Missouri but I'm in whatever like can you send this can you send this money or whatever and then or can you see me your PayPal email

or something like that because I don't really know how eBay works I was just trying to sell something and like can you see me your PayPal email and I'm like okay and then I would receive email with like a fake letterhead from eBay saying like your purchase has gone through

and I'll go click on like the actual email address and it's like it's not from eBay it's from some other dude that's just trying to like rip me off so why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size. Whether you're taking over your parents' basement or moving to campus, IKEA has hundreds of design ideas and affordable options to complement any budget.

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the Nigerian one is not that bad. It's not that bad. It's bad because at some point you've got to convince somebody to give you money. The big thing, you know, and it never makes sense. But I guess if you don't know enough about how the banking system works or just in general, how scams work, I could see people fall for it. And they fall for it all time. You know, another one is when these.

guys call up and they say you know that they it starts as your social security number has been has been um suspended yeah you've seen that one well well there's the other version of that is that where the IRS contacts you and they say that you owe money you owe like $3,500 yeah and basically they're going to put a warrant out for your arrest and all this other stuff and then eventually they end up getting you they stay on the phone with you and they get you they'll get someone to actually like go to their bank, pull out cash, and then go buy like a gift card,

and then give them the information. Like, totally not how the IRS works. Like, everything about it is wrong. But for some reason, periodically they must, if you call 100 people a day, you're going to get somebody. You only have to get one person a day

and you end up making $3,000 or $4,000. Or maybe it's $1,500. Maybe you say, I don't have that much money. And you argue with the guy and the guy's like, well, we'll let you make a payment. You have to pay us $1,200. You know, right now that's the minimum. And so the guy goes and they pay $1,200 or whatever.

Maybe it's $6,000. So they get you for whatever they can get you for. But the whole process doesn't make sense. The entire thing doesn't make. So when would the IRS ask me to go to like Best Buy or go to Walmart and buy a gift card? Yeah. You know, that's just not going to. It's not how it works or go get this prepaid debit visa debit here.

And it's like, what? Yeah. Like people fall for it. Yeah. I've been in calls recently Like over the last month Like I don't bank with fifth third bank But I got I've got like two calls

Like two days in real like hey this is so and so With fifth third bank And I'm like okay And then they're like saying some They just start kind of start talking About me wanting to confirm my Some type of information And I'm like listen like I don't even bank with fifth third bank

And then it's like And then they just like don't say anything And there's like I also been getting you know The extended car warranty calls Stuff like that You know, you can, we've been trying to get in touch with you. Yeah, there's, um, Graham Steffin on their podcast, they had a guy come on and was like,

I don't really know what Lemon Law is, but he's a Lemon Law lawyer. Yeah, Lemon Law is when your vehicle, uh, when you have the same issue with your vehicle multiple times in the first year of purchase. Yeah. It only applies to new vehicles. Yeah. So let's, let's say you, your computer chip goes out on your nude Ford Bronco or whatever. I don't even know if they make Broncos.

Yeah. Whatever. On your new Ford, you know, F-150, the computer chip goes out the first two months later. after you buy it. Yeah. And then you replace it. Okay, fine. And then a month later, it goes out again.

And then they replace it again. Two months later, it goes out again. You can go back into the dealership and say, I want a new vehicle. Period. I want a whole new vehicle. Done. Yeah. Because there's an issue.

Oh, no, it's just a, right. And I'm not going to continue to have this problem in the first year. And so what everybody pays into what's called the Lemon Law, they pay like, it's like, whatever, 10 bucks, 12 bucks, whatever goes towards this fund to help fix that problem. So anyway, that. That's the Lemon Law, so he's a Lemon Law Specialist. I don't know if it's still a year now. Maybe it's expanded.

I don't know. He makes, I mean, he's really wealthy, but, like, one of his, like, parts of his business was, like, going after the people that keep calling for your extended car warranty. Like, if you keep getting called by the same person and you, like, ask them not to call or put them on the do not call list. Right. There's, like, a couple things. I don't know really what it was, but there's, like, a couple things that you could do

that, like, if they called back and, like, you had to record a conversation that, like, you could send to this guy. And they would get you like $1,500, $200, $200. Right. It has to be like multiple times in the same people. But yeah, and that's a, yeah, that's a, um. Actually know a guy that kind of runs Robocop. He runs the Robocall, like a Robocall types of centers.

Yeah. Like he's, you know, involved in, like, every time I talk to him, but he's like, I really don't want to talk about it. Yeah. Like, what do you do exactly? Yeah, you got to get it. When he finally told me, he's like, okay, well, here's, here's what I do. It's like, one of the things he does.

It's like one of the things he does. And he told me, he goes, I do this. And I go, you son of a bitch. And he goes, oh, man, come on. I said, you scumbag. He goes, I know, I know. So funny, though, when he told me. He did not want to say what he was doing.

Yeah. I feel like, no, I don't know if this was like a scam or not, but I feel like this was probably three or four years ago. I would get calls about like my roof on my house. And they'd be wanting to know. I think they were trying to get my address and trying to get like, well, when will you be home? When will you not be home?

To, like, rob you or something? I don't know, yeah. That's, that's, I don't know if it was a... Rob, listen, those types of roofing scams are, like, prevalent, like, especially in Florida. Yeah. Like, you know, there are guys that, did you ever, you know, there was a book. Like, they don't do it in the movie. Because there was a movie, there was a story called Matchstick Men.

It was a book. And it's about these two kind of grifters. Yeah. And they have a ton of scams. The movie actually did. a really good job of of um i actually reviewed it i it's it's one of the review movie reviews on the channel okay but one of the things in the book they do is they go in what they would do is they would go in and they would give they were giving free roof inspections so i mean like if you're

a homeowner are you going to of course you're going to yeah free home so they would like pull up and then they would then they have a roofing they have a truck and they have a roofing thing they pull up and they actually get on your your thing um Um, Oklahoma, Florida. I don't know. That's a scam. I mean, we're actually, I'm not paying attention to my phone because I'm addicted, which people say, I'm paying attention to it because we're waiting for this guy to show up.

Yeah. So, uh, anyway, they go, would go up on the roof and they would actually punch holes in the roof. And then they would, and they would keep a log of all the places that they would, they would go to. Let's say there's four, 30 or 40 places in a general area. And then they would kick back And they'd come back And they'd be like, look, honestly You're probably going to get an extra two years out of your roof

And they would be like, it's actually not bad You know, let's we have a bad rain Or they'd say, you know, honestly, it's not great You're probably within six, it could go any day It could be six months, could be, you might go two years, whatever They'd say nobody, oh, okay, well thanks so much Sure, no problem, they give them their business card, whatever And they'd say, you know, we have a roofing special

And they'd get their information, no problem And they'd leave. And let's say it's Florida, wherever they were then they would wait three weeks if they were constantly doing this then three weeks later it rains and people call them hey you were right

not realizing this is the first time it's rained and they go you're right my roof is leaking it's bad I really can you come out sure no problem so now you called me do you see what I'm saying? Yeah you called me like it's different if I call a knock on your door and say hey I want to fix your roof or if I suddenly I show up and you suddenly have a problem

And this is three weeks later. Yeah. Now you're calling me saying, look, I got an issue. You then show up and you say, look, a new roof's $3,500. And they would be like, but what we can, you know, oh, I don't have $3,500. Oh, my gosh. And they go, all right, well, look, here's what we can do. Like, we can put you on a finance plan, but we need to get you fixed right now.

I know it's raining in your house. I know you got leaks. I feel bad. You're going to have to give me up front a third. You have to give me one third. And then the other guy would argue, no, you know damn well that Jimmy, you know, the owner, whatever. you know Jimmy said he never takes less than half it'll be fine Paul relax it'll be fine and the guy gives them you know it's $3,600 for a new roof and you give me 1,200 so we'll be back

here with the stuff blah blah okay great you do that you sign the paperwork everything but he just drives to the next house that's called him he gets a couple thousand from them goes in the next house maybe they give him the whole thing 3,600 4200 whatever he goes in the next house they do that for the next two days they'll make 40 grand 50 grand And they're never going back to your house. Yeah. Like, you don't have their real. Like, it's a scam.

It was always a scam. They throw away their drop phone. They pull the rubber magnets off of their Ford F-150, you know. And maybe they even say, hey, we have the shingles right now. We can patch it for this much. And they have shingles, and they throw the shingles in the front yard and say, we're going to go pick up this and we'll be back. You know, so you're like, oh, they even left shingles.

They even left, yeah, well, we're actually, we're actually taking down the scammer. right now. Like we're getting everything off the truck. We're getting all the magnets like as we're throwing people like, oh, of course I'm going to give him the money. He's already got the shingles. He's doing this. He's doing that. He threw buckets there. Like you can take the buckets and just fill it up with sand and throw, oh yeah,

this is tar. This is like, none of that stuff costs anything. Yeah. You could go buy used shingles or shingles that, you know, are like discarded that nobody, like they don't know, you're some homeowner. He doesn't know. So they're just doing this and they just go and in two days, they've got a ton of

money. And what do they do? They go to another area. They put the magnets back on and they start knocking on doors. Hey, we're giving free roof inspections. We're replacing a roof down the street. We're doing free roof. They start the process over again. Yeah. It's just one of the many scams that they would run. And so every two or three weeks, they're getting $40,000, $60,000, $50,000. How many homeowners might pay them the whole thing? Yeah. Ridiculous. I mean, there's people are horrible, especially in Florida. Oh, yeah. Because they're such derelicts in Florida. Oh, man. Yeah. This is not really a scam, but when I finished college or when I was coming to the end of the college, I had to do an international internship and had to be, yeah, because my major was international business. I either had to do like six hours or like 12 hours of foreign language, which was like four

classes in like my last semester or I could do like an internship abroad. So one of the guys that was on. on the football team before I was, I was at college. It was from Australia and ran like a business basically where they convert the steering from the right side to the left side or from the left side to the right side for Australia because they drive on the right side of the road. And they're basically a conversion shop. And like when I went out there, they were doing some like, it's just funny to hear like

how he started the business. Like, you know, he, him and his buddy, his business partner, they were doing out of somebody else's shop and like the first car that they flipped or the first car that they converted you know they found a customer online and they'd be like oh yeah they brought them into somebody else's shop and like yeah this is our shop like this is where we do everything like this is where we do it like probably after hours or somehow and then um and then i remember when we got there then eventually they got the ball rolling and like they find clients and they buy these clients in australia buy these big american trucks like dodger ram all that kind of stuff because they

Australian dream is to get a camper, a caravan, or whatever, and just drive around the country. So, like, that's what it is. And they sell these trucks for over there. It's, like, $100 to $150,000 in Australian dollars, and they charge, like, $20,000 to $40,000 for, like, a conversion. You told me this before. Yeah, this is, this is a, I don't know exactly, what all the details I went into, but, like, I remember, like, the first day I got there, and people were telling me about this guy, so I'm a pretty, like, I would say like straight and narrow kind of guy

like I'm not going to be doing anything crazy and people are, my buddies in college are telling me like dude like you're going over there with this guy this guy is insane like when y'all go over there like y'all might have like strippers and hookers and I'm like I'm like but that ain't for me like I don't really want any part of that

be like dude this guy's crazy man when he was here like he already had money when he went to college in Australia from another business and he's like when this guy he was crazy like you're going to and I'm like okay like I'm going to there for internship like actually before i even went over there i just reached out to him on facebook and i was like hey man like i need a six-week internship at least and uh he's like if you

want dude i'll just sign all the papers and say you came he never came and so that's the guy this is i mean he's awesome he's cool and i was just like like no like i'm do it i want to come i want to come and i just like i just want to do it yeah and uh he's all right so me and my buddy that actually knew him because i never knew him i just hear stories of him from like the older guys in the football team. So me and my buddy who actually knew him like, you know,

we got tickets, all that kind of stuff. Talked to him on the phone. He was just like, yeah, make sure you bring a business suit. Like, we're going to be doing all this stuff. I'm like, okay. He's like, yes,

the only thing he asked for me was for his old football jersey from like four or five years ago. So I talked to the coach, got his old football jersey, brought it in, like never met this guy before. Right.

And we get there, pulls up in like a nice big truck, and we go to the shop the first day. And he's like, the very first day he's like they're like doing something with the cars like they're not up to specifications like Australian specifications and they got like

government officials or people coming in to check out these trucks and and they're like the shops like all these shop guys are like scrambling to get this truck like up to spec they're like oh yeah yeah like you know they're doing they call it Australia called it like dodgy we're doing dodgy stuff and like one of the things

that we're doing is you have to have like a license plate for each vehicle that you're driving around and and we would freaking they photocopied the license plate and just like

we just like stuck it to a piece of board or whatever because it's like on a strap and you just like why you're driving with a car around and we just like

made these like fake license plates so they didn't have to pay like all these extra thousands of dollars to like haul these cards around because this was probably in the early days like of their business

and some of the stuff that they're doing now like now they have they're probably doing two cars a week now now they have like multiple warehouses like big warehouses is just like dodge rams trucks now they're doing like cameros because it's like a foreign car over there and some of the crazy stuff like luckily when

we showed up no strippers no hookers nothing crazy like that right so it was like it was pretty low key but they did have a party one night at the shop and uh like I I don't even really drink that much like you know special occasions I will but like um at that point I I like never really drank and I was like 21 but it's just like wasn't my thing And they're having a shop party, just hanging out. And in the back, like, in the back office, like, some of these guys were, like, doing Coke. And this dude come up to me, this Ozzy guy. And he's like, dude, because Ozzy, they love the party, like, drink a party.

And this dude's like, bro, come on. Like, you got to try it. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, like, look, I'm not even drinking, like, alcohol. Like, you think I'm going to go there and do a line of Coke? And he's like, bro, like, listen, I wouldn't tell you to do anything that I wouldn't do. That doesn't change anything. Yeah, like, I'm good, I'm good. But, yeah, that was, they're doing a couple of dodgy things here and there,

but now I think they're, like, they're legit and running. They're doing, like, deals. They have, like, government officials in there all the time now, like, for, like, press and stuff. It was, it was interesting, like, to see them run the business. And that's one of the things that that guy told me when I was over there is kind of, kind of stuck with me. And there's, like, you know, throughout your life, I feel like there's people that say things to you that they might not know that, like, if that word's going to stick with you,

but some things that these guys people have said to me over the years there's like probably five or six like quotes or things that people have said that's always stuck with me and something that he said like I was just about to go into like business

start working and I was like yeah man I'm just gonna go work at this company and I'm just gonna like try to climb the ladder and he was just like he's like I don't know man like he's like you know I would think about maybe I don't know if he said

doing something you enjoy or or like you know don't rush into like the corporate whatever reason because I know people who are high up in the corporate world wherever they're 35 40 and they're miserable and like they just like you know pissed away like their young years or not doing something they love or enjoy and uh you know I I kind of I kind of feel some of that so I'm you know took me five or six years like yeah maybe he was right let me try something else but uh yeah seeing seeing how he ran his business I'm trying to think he he did do another he had another thing

that just passed my mind that he was doing it over there um Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, they had straw buyers. This is what I was trying to get into originally because one of the things is, is like, you can't just go to a dealership and buy, like, a brand new truck and just import it.

Like, hey, I'm going to buy this truck and export it to Australia. So they had, like, I don't know this is how they still do it or not, but they had, like, a person that, like, would literally buy their cars and, like, export them. Maybe say, I'm not going to purchase

to export it, whatever they do they would export it out in the beginning after I got back from the internship I was like well maybe I could do that for him or somebody and then there was like there was people in like Asia they would export like Mercedes

and things like that to these different countries over in Asia where these cars would sell for like 400,000 500,000 because they were like luxury cars according to them right and and you didn't have to convert the steering or anything like that and then people started like cracking down on like

car exporters and stuff like that. So that's something that I was kind of looking into before I started working. I was like, oh, maybe I could start doing this, but never did. I never really got into many of the details of it all. All right. But, yeah. It's an interesting story. He's an interesting guy to see, I mean, and then multiple businesses from that one

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