Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Selling The Cure For Aids | Insane Story of Sex, Drugs, and Penny Stocks

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

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I'm going to come in. I'm going to hire a manager. I'm going to get the people in place. I'm going to teach them how to do it. For that, you're going to pay me 36,000. Oh, by the way, you need the software too. That's another 36 grand. So I walk out the door with 72,000 in my pocket. It turns out that if you have a little bag of white powder, there's a lot of females that will, you know... They'll do all kinds of stuff. The only thing that Charlie Sheen has on me is AIDS and he can have that. So I had the Camaro. I get it up there. living in a beautiful place on a golf course and you've ever heard of Larry Bird? He used to be in my backyard all the time.

He convinces Gary that he had been in Portugal and he came up with a cure for AIDS. Stock's doing well. It's growing. It's not, you know, and all of a sudden Lenny tells him, and he goes, Jamie, you see what happened? You know what happened. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be doing an interview with Jim Sturgis. He's got a fascinating criminal story. It's actually more than it. It actually spans quite a long time and is varied. So check out the podcast.

One, I appreciate you coming. And the second thing is, it's funny. Because, like, it's, was it sheriff's deputy or police officer? Sheriff's, deputy sheriff. Okay, so it was like law enforcement, then, like, you go from one to another, to another, and then, to the drugs. No, no, the drugs was the very last thing. Right. Skin Mafia thing, that was, that was one of the, well, I'm saying also the, the, the stock scam thing.

The stock scam thing, like it jumps, I'm just saying, in general, it just jumps from. right one extreme to the other right i was like scam drugs right yeah so um which is funny because typically like i i like if it's i i tend to look for something stuff that's you know where the person stayed in one this is going to sound funny but in one industry right but yours but because though just you had written that whole long thing and i was like i don't know this sounds super interesting and then you had all the article you know you said you know you're like hey you can look this up you can look this up you can look at all verifiable right so anyway um so let's let's do this let's start at the beginning yeah start at the beginning like you like you do with everybody yeah so i mean i grew up as a normal kid

i had a great i mean a great childhood uh family was all close my dad has two brothers which were passed but anyway uh they all stayed close to my grandparents i was ultra close with my grandfather great you know and so then you get to like middle school now we had moved a few times my dad was always like an entrepreneur at one time he had a bar restaurant uh car dealership gas station body shop and had a full-time job besides that and and the guy didn't graduate high school so i gave him a lot of credit for that yeah uh you know always provided always tried to leave me down the right road but you said you kept moving why are you moving?

Well he'd buy a business and we never moved that far normally we did spend a year in Connecticut but we always ended up back in Cooperstown, New York which is where to Baseball Hall of Fame is that's where I actually graduated high school but we always ended up back in the Cooperstown area that's where I went through most of my school

and imagine this at like whatever I don't know 15, 16 years old But my dad, you know, was insistent I was going to go to college. For some reason, I did really well in math. We had a teacher I love Mr. Kier, and I did algebra, geometry, trigonometry. And excuse me, if I remember correctly, I had, I think algebra, like a 98, geometry, 100, and trigonometry 99. You know, I mean, I just was great at math.

normally goes with science and I look forward to biology terrible couldn't get it I like the teacher but I just couldn't get it so I ended up taking basic science instead of the advanced stuff but anyways everything was going you know like I said everything was pretty normal the only odd thing all the way up to you know middle school was neighbor kids blame me for knocking over gravestones I'll never forget I'm like eight nine years old I'm in the back of a trooper car and he said I'm eight years old how the hell am i going to you know turn a gravestone over you know right it was just retarded but that was my first experience with law enforcement and uh anyway so now fast forward to like about 16 17 uh there was a family called the denellos and uh mr denllo was a supreme court justice for

the state of jersey they had a house on oxigo lake which is a lake in cooperstown a lot of people have summer homes there they had a nice home well he had two beautiful daughters and a son David. David and I became friends. David decided that growing pot was a good idea. Sounds like a good idea. So he brought up garbage bags. And the very first time I went to get any quantity,

I don't know who did it, I'll never know. He, I understood he. Garbage bags full of wheat. Oh, okay. So he was growing it and he had garbage bags full of it. So he was like, here. And thank God I didn't have a garbage bag, but I had a sizable amount.

I picked it up. I didn't make it. Main Street in Cooperstown. There's one traffic light. And I made it through the light. As soon as I turned, there's a fire department there. That's where I pulled in. State Trooper pulls me over. At 17 years old, I had a great Dodge Charger at the time. Anyways, pulls me over. Got anything in this car I should know about? Well, no.

And I just stuck it up under the dash. He never did find it. You know, he kind of looked around and not like they do today. But, you know, he kind of, all right. So it's obviously somebody said something. I was going to say, what did your buddy say something? It couldn't have been Dave, you know, had to have been, but it was always, you know, at the back of my, I wonder, you know, who the hell even knew, you know?

So, you know, him and I made a few bucks selling weed over over that summer. I don't remember if I was 16 or 17. That was probably the first time I, you know, went outside of the law. And, but then I went straight pretty much, as you could say. and I always been able to talk to people and people say, you know, like the old thing you could sell ice to the Eskimos or whatever. Right.

And so I'm looking around for a job and I had never even heard of these things. I go up and interview, oh, you're hired. I'm thinking I'm getting this great job. And the first day, they're teaching us and it wasn't until the end of that day I even realized what the hell we were selling. Kirby vacuum cleaners, door to door.

Oh, man. That's a rough job. So I would run up to the door you get your free paper towels today you get them the paper towels if they take them go back to the van you get to two boxes try to get in the house and demonstrate the and I was doing good I was making money doing it I met it my first wife Carol doing that she got pregnant how old were you 19 okay and and oh let me back up so I didn't want to mention this uh in high school like I said my dad wanted me to go to college and I had every aspiration to go into the university of

Miami. I keep thinking Joan Collins, but I don't think that's the right name, but our guidance counselor. Imagine this. You're 16 years old, and the guidance counselor says to you, why would you want to go there? What are you going to learn? Underwater basket weaving. What an idiot. Exactly. So that totally changed, you know, my direction in life. And it made me not go to college because she's like, you're just going to waste your parents' money going there. And she's a guidance counselor. So I ended up going in the military. I forgot about that. So my dad had to sign. I was only 17. I graduated high school early. I went half a year, my senior year and graduated January. Went into the Air Force in February, and I was only in for, I think, a couple months. Hurt my knee. And another genius, the doctor says to me, he goes, you know, you're young. I'm going to be honest with you. He says, the doctor's here. uh not the kind of surgery you're going to get outside of you know from from private practice so i can give you a discharge honorable you know you know no issues i mean you haven't done anything wrong

and uh you can take that and we'll let you go home or we'll put you in you know the hospital and we'll let you know guys that aren't competent operate on you and you know your knee's probably never going to be right well again i'm 17 years old okay well I'm going home that and I was going to be a cop in the in the Air Force so I go back home then I get you know into a vacuum cleaner thing and ended up meeting Carol my first wife I was only married like a year she got pregnant and the worst day of my life my oldest son was still born and he was huge like 12 six we got to hold him and all but that was a tough day and it turned out the only reason that he didn't live was she had excessive

sugar spilling over and the doctors didn't pick it up she was diabetic if they had picked it up ahead of time you know he'd still be here uh you know so and what year was this that was like 1980 okay and so then she got pregnant again not sure how that happened but we don't know anyways and i ended up with another company called Milbrook and not the bread company a guy named was Lee Isaacson and he's like anybody that can go out and knock on doors and sell vacuum cleaners I want to hire you and they did help them Beauty A's Canyon stationery to Ames department stores which was like Kmart today or Walmart whatever I guess Kmart's not even around anymore and so I did that for a year and a half and I had a problem with well they I did real well

they promoted me and they called it store design what that meant when they opened a new store or did a remodel i would go there for a month whatever and set our section up so they gave me a crew of young girls and so you know at night i'd be things happen exactly and i get it the dumb thing that happened is are you still married oh no oh no oh no with yeah at that time yes i was right right So here's the dumb thing I did. The vice president in charge of security for the Ames Department stores, her assistant slash girlfriend, now the vice president is complete 100% lesbian.

Lisa, her assistant is bisexual. So she's at the store with me, and, you know, the girls talk, and so she decides that taking me home to her room is a good idea. well we're in bed and the vice president comes to surprise her girlfriend Lisa and comes bouncing through the door

that was the last day I worked for that company she called my company and said hey he's not allowed any of our stores anymore you know he's fucking my girlfriend that's it got to go so at that point I went into the car business and did well with that

and I moved from can I ask you a question how did that scene go down Like you're saying you're jumping right through that. Like she bangs on the door. No, she no bang. She walked right in. Walked right in.

She had a key, you know, and this was a surprise. I mean, if I remember she had flowers and, I mean, you know, she's coming to surprise her girl. Oh, yeah. It was great right up until she opened the door. And she's like. And you're full-on mode cowboy? No, no. We were actually curled up.

We had already, yeah. Totally. Yeah. You know. But I mean, what are you? Still early in the relationship. Right. Well, this was just going to be a, you know, whamam, thank you, man.

And I was going to head to my room, but I'm thinking, well, maybe we could do this one more time before I go to bed. And so we're just laying in a, of course, we're negative, you know. Right. And she just blew, I mean, a gasket. Oh, God. She called Lee Isaacson, and I think the guy's name was Morty Siegel from the Ames Department chain. And they called Milbrook, my company, and they said, look, this guy, Not allowed any more stores.

Now, I don't know what she told. She's a vice president, so I don't know if she had to tell. But what do you? He's got to go because he's fucking my girlfriend. Right, right. And come on, you know. So. I mean, she could have just said, like, listen, there was an issue.

I don't want to get into it. I don't want to. You know, you can easily frame that in a way that it makes it sound like you've done something inappropriate. We don't want them around here anymore. Well, it was an issue. Come to think of it. Now, you say that day, I had gotten myself without even realizing a reputation.

from store to you know as we did one store there was always at least a couple girls that you know I would hit and so it got back you know through the chain or you know whatever so they already had people talk yeah it's not good so that was it boom you're done and so then they were going to let me do grocery stores victory because they really didn't want to lose me but it just I don't know and there's no women no women that work in grocery stores well there is but it would have been almost like a demotion, you know, and I had just gotten a promotion. Now, imagine this. I'm driving in the Adirondex in the wintertime in a freaking Ford Pinto. They used it. They said, listen, you have the roughest terrain and stuff. And, you know, so, I mean, again, I'm 19. I've got a company

AMX plus a gas card, company car, you know, I mean. Yeah, but it's a Ford Pinto. They're trying to kill you. Right. It's just waiting for you to get hit from behind. It's over. Again, right. Again, and one of my genius moves. I went downhill skiing with cross-country skis, which, of course, the bindings don't, and screwed up my knee. So I'm taking cortisone shots just to be able to move around, hobbling around with crutches. I'd already had two transmissions go out in this freaking pinto, and I'm in the Adirondex, snowing like hell, and cold, blowing, a transmission goes out. I walk like two miles in the snow with crutches. I was pissed. So they're like, well, just get a rental. So I called Hertz and back then

On July 18th, get excited This is big! For the summer's biggest adventure. I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited. Sorry. Smurfs. Only dateers July 18th.

It was, what size car do you want? Okay, I got a fucking Lincoln Continental. It was like $59 a day back then. Right. Plus 45 cents a mile. You know? and when Lee got that bill he was not happy

I mean he blew a guy who the fuck do you think you are getting a link and I don't even drive a link you know I'm the fight blah and so but they were quick to get me a mercury's effort and I mean it was like as soon as they found out I had that link

and get that car back you know and we're going to have somebody meet you with his effort said okay so and I will one other side note with that job Bruce Williams was my district manager and we met in Platts I'll never forget this either.

And Plattsburgh's only about an hour south of Montreal. And we decided we were going to go to Montreal. So we get up there and neither one of us has a clue about French. Everything's in French. And all we could read on this sign was continuous drip teas, choose your partner. That's us. That's the place we need to be. Well, and there's nothing but females, you know, around the corner.

I mean, up the block. And I mean some hotties, you know, going. No, man. I'm like, you know, we're here. This is it. We're done. It's Canada. So we wait online for an hour and we get to the door and here's this, you know, burly,

uh, doorman, uh, bounce or whatever hell you want to call him. And he's like, no, no, no, can't come in. Can't come in? Fuck you mean I can't come in. And I kind of sidestepped him and pushed him a little bit. And I walk in just far enough. And here's a male stripper wanging his, you know, swinging his shit or round in this girl's face and I was like and now the bouncer he's not mad now he's laughing because you know not the kind of place you wanted to be he was doing you a favor oh he definitely

was so then he instructs us of where the female strip club is around the core so we go around the corn and we proceed to get drunk now I said listen we just got done watching women's trip and now we want women the women just got done watching men's strip let's go back and grab them as they come out of the club well it turns out of I wasn't the first person that had this idea. There was actually a college student from Boston that drove up there on a regular basis and was charging, had a Volkswagen van,

it was charging women, just needed a male prostitute out of his Volkswagen van. Funny as hell, I couldn't believe it. But when we got back there, I was so drunk, I couldn't find a park space, so I parked on a sidewalk. Montreal Police had no sense of humor at all. Of course, again, you know, it was like 1980, maybe 81. back then get off the sidewalk and drive carefully and get your ass back to the United States

sticklers yeah yeah so that was a nervous and and so you know we were too drunk to drive back to Plattsburgh so we ended up with two hotel rooms in Plattsburgh and two hotel rooms in Montreal so when that bill hit and I think that we put some of the bar tab on our American Express card so Lee kind of blew up about that one too that was a That job didn't last. Well, that's the same job. Yeah. That's the one I got caught with Lisa.

You're a problem. About 18 months I was doing. You're a problem. A problem employee. Well, no, my biggest issue is I like vagina. Right. And billing the company for it in some way. Exactly.

What's wrong with that? No, I hear you. As an employee, I'm with you. I hear you. As an employer. Not so good. You're an issue. So, yeah.

Well, but they, now they gave us a, I can't remember if it was $30 or $40 per diem. So, and this was my argument back to Lee. I said, listen. I, I, I hate, this is your fault, Lee. No, I said, I hate, you know, a $3 fried chicken this night and, you know, a $6 cheeseburger this night. And, and this night, you know, I had a salad. So, you know, I had like $80. So the fact that I spent $300 at the bar.

You know, I'm more than... You should offset it by the $89 that I saved you. He didn't totally agree with that. I feel like that's a powerful argument. And so he, you know, and then... But after that, I mean, I was still there quite a while, you know, quite a few months. I did that. I think I was only there like six months, but they liked me because the territory I had was

the whole Adirondex. I'd leave Monday morning and get home Friday afternoon. And then the next week, I was down south. in central new york close enough where i could come home every night so every other week i was on the road uh hence the you know you're 19 years old you know you got a suit and tie job company car the mx you know again and like i said i've always been like a vagina addict i guess you know i just always so uh but i did and i'd go in and i talked to the store man and say hey let's put an cap of this and so I increased the sales like 60% for my territory at six months and they're like hey

you know this guy knows what he's doing blah blah you know when I was a hustler that's I've been a hustler my whole life so anyways I you know sleep with Lisa lose that job and then I take a job at the Ford store and the first day I was there I sold the first car I sold the used Mustang. Second day, I sold two cars. And the general manager came out and threw me the keys to this Mustang. It's like, there's your demo. You know, I mean, you've got to earn that.

You're coming in whatever, 20 years old, no automotive experience. But you know what you're here. So here's your demo for the Mustang. Well, great. I feel like that was a mistake on his part. Well, yeah, probably. And so now we got a kid named Rocky Spears and Micah, not Mike, Micah. Weinstein, and we're all three of us are young.

Then we had some older guys. And so Rocky, this worked out backwards. I'll never understand this, but Rocky picked up this girl, Ellen. Now, he's married and I'm married at the time, but I'm, you know, my marriage is definitely coming to an end. I don't know why. So this girl comes in and buys a car and Ellen, and we called her the whale. I mean, because she was like...

She had a lot of money? 220? No, no. She was a large girl. And he's like, she's got a hot girlfriend. I need somebody to, I'm, I've got to take her out because it's the only way she's buying a car. But I also have to get, and I'm like, there is no fucking way that anybody that's a friend with her, I want anything to do with. Well, then the girlfriend comes in. Now we're fighting. You know, he's trying to get anybody to go. I'll go. I'll go. And a real hot, blonde, tight body. I mean, and she was great until, She invites me to her company picnic. We get there. You're still married? Oh, yeah. Well, that was about the end of it. I don't feel like you know what the, what the, what, well, I mean,

or vows. The rules are for being married. I didn't do a real good. Yeah. No. I didn't, I didn't really. I wasn't a rule follower either when I was first married. Yes.

But I was, and I was probably too young, dude. Wait until you hear what happens. Okay. Go ahead. So this girl invites me to her company picnic. And this girl's smoking hot. You know, I probably should have kept her. She was actually a good girl, too.

Sandy Palmoteer, her name was. And blonde hair, blue-eyed, hard body, you know. So anyways, we're at her company picnic, and we're having a great time right up, and I had no fucking clue where this girl worked, right up until my current wife's sister and husband walk up. What are you doing here? What am I doing? What are you doing here?

I work there. Oh, fuck. How do I explain this? What was your wife's name? Carol. She said, I'm looking for Carol. She's here with me somewhere. She was supposed to meet me here.

Did she come with y'all? They already knew. They were just waiting to see if I was going to, you know, try to tell, you know, spin this. You got to try. And, yeah, I always said, you know, and well, when I get to the second wife, you're going to love this story. because I always said if I got caught with my dick in some girl's mouth I would say I tripped my pants fell down and it fell in her mouth and I actually did try to explain that to my second wife freak accident had her best friend of all people but we'll get to that in a little minute but a little kind of a habit forming going on here yeah but anyways so that was you know Carol was devastated I can't believe she I said listen we never should have got married to begin with I married you because I'm married you because I I got you pregnant. Then I didn't want to have, you know, we weren't trying to have another kid and you got, I said, you just, you don't like oral sex, you know, you know, it's really her

fault. Yeah, that's what I said. And I said, listen, you deserve better than me. That's, that was what I finally tried. That's, that's the argument to go with. And no, no, I, I, you know, you know, crying, you know, I went to call somebody, she rips the phone out of the wall, throws it. So now the neighbor we're living in a duplex as a landlord you know he calls the police and they come thank god you know they didn't drag me off but the cops all knew me because i was a volunteer fireman at the time and uh uh ems emt whatever so anyways he uh he came and friends like jim what are you doing and i said i'm trying to get out of here bitch doesn't want me to go and he's like well what's the problem again in my infinite was my well she just like to suck my dick so you know i i you know and so

never mind just get your shit and go so i finally leave her and dave lones was our f and i manager at the ford store he left and went to uh brian barck cadillac buick uh well so we have catalac vick nissan bmw deal with you he goes there as an f and i guy and he said listen i want you to come over here he goes listen to this monday wednesday friday you work uh 830 or 839 o'clock till one then you're off from one till six and then you come back from six to nine but friday when you get done at one o'clock you're off until monday every other week and the other days you work one to six so and then you know you flip-flop so every other week you got a three-day week well two and a half days that's great day plus we'll give you this this so i moved down there i'm there and that's in

utica new york which is little chicago back then we actually had you know uh the was mafia connections, tons of Italians, not that every Italian is mafia people, but, you know, there was, so anyways, I'm there, I'm doing well, and Jane Moran, older guy, comes out to me one day, and he says, you know, and I was a decent-sized guy back then. I mean, I probably weighed 175, 180, and, you know, I could take care of myself, and he's like, listen, I'm a county legislator and we really need a couple more deputy sheriffs. I want you to become a deputy. And I'm like, okay. So I go up and see Ingalls, who was the undersheriff, the next day, very next day. I went there, I think, 1 o'clock in the afternoon. By 2 o'clock, I got a sheriff's shirt on,

a badge, the whole nine yards, and an ID that says you are a deputy sheriff. No, school. No, nothing. No, here you're hired. So, you know, school comes afterwards. We're giving you uh what they call it uh well the badge said special and uh they provisional they call it provisional until you can take the test and all that so of course you start off working in the jail that's you know that's just how it is yeah no yeah and it was so different back then i mean everybody wore the street clothes everybody smoked you know in in the jail and all that um i was only there a couple weeks and uh they moved me i wasn't with the prisoners anymore i was doing which to me was a great thing i was doing uh booking and so when i

started i started on a midnight shift i'd work midnight till eight and then i'd go to the car dealership so i was doing both and uh then i ended up pulling some doubles and this and that i ended up staying at the sheriff's department full time and then i cut back but i always gravitated back to the car business and along the line There was a little convenience store that I would stop in on the way to work at the jail. And I met Luanne there, which was my second wife. Are you still married to the first one? No.

Yes. I take that back. Yes, I was. And because she didn't want to even know me after we've been going out a couple months and found out I was. I'm married, but I'm, you know, I'm getting a divorce. And I don't live there. I mean, you know, and I really didn't. So, long story short.

we ended up dating for a year or something and she got pregnant and we got married and I really did love her I mean I really did love her and and so we had two boys and a girl 18 months apart and now I'll end my sheriff career so we had I think the first one was Jimmy Zalaka I know I take that back Greg Muldoon Jimmy Muldoon and Frankie Fisette They murdered a Marine That was home on leave for $11 Jimmy Muldoon

I finally got him to confess He confessed to me Without slapping him around much I was going to say We were talking about like that It was a little persuasion He was only 16 so I had to be a little bit careful Back then there was no cameras

The phone book? No, the phone book Where you hit him with the phone? No I wasn't even that general His head hit the wall a few times I mean, I think he's ripped. But anyways, Jimmy finally comes, and I was just literally sick to my stomach. Matt, you just can't imagine this 16-year-old kid.

Well, you know, we put his head on the railroad track, and Frankie's jumping as high as he can with his boots on this guy's head, and until he starts bleed, and then we think, well, we might be in trouble for this. So we might as well just, you're fucking, for $11 a kid. You know, he's a kid. He's a kid. You know, I was sick.

So Greg, his brother, and Fisette got 25 to life each. And Jimmy, because he confessed and was only 16, he ended up with, I think, nine years, less than, you know, the other ones. So, so that's that story. Then comes Jimmy Zalaka, who was another fucking mental case. And this kid stabbed his grandmother either 112 or 113 times. And in his word, she took away my comic books. Well, it turns out his comic books

were Playboy Penthouse, and that's why he stabbed his grandmother killed her. And in less than 45 days, is at the drive-in, gets into an argument with his girlfriend. He's high on angel dust. And split her head open. The first trooper on scene,

he hit with a tire iron, split his skull. I mean, So anyways, when I'm finally done wrestling around with his jackass, he had a big black bag, and he kept trying to get that. And, you know, now he's finally, you know, in custody, and I get to the bag and there's a knife about this long in there. Then I also found out, like, that same within a day or two, and they kept it for. for me for over six months, but my ex-wife, Lou Ann, who was my girlfriend at the time, was at the local bar, and they were outside drinking, and I guess the neighbors complained,

so the Sheriff's Department, so Larry Chrysler, who was a fellow deputy, is trying to arrest these two kids, and he's being kind of rough with one. And well, the kid had just gotten out of a full body cast, like the day before. And so, you know, my ex said something to him. He grabbed her and smashed her face first against a van then they found out who it was oh you this isn't going to be good you know we can't let him find out so him and I got into it and I think I got five days suspension or whatever and he got like three and then he got sent to permanent airport duty and I just never went back to the sheriff's department that was it that was the end of the sheriff's department and so I focused on the car business I can't remember back to the car I always

seemed to stay even you know even at the sheriff's department i was always and my dad always had a had a car lot so i went back into the car business uh full time and uh then i started wholesaling and we were bringing cars from new york to florida but they had to be certain cars uh Chevy Caprice classics Cadillac flea wood bromes those went to uh iran iraq you know Saudi Arabia. They couldn't be brown or gold, believe it or not, because they couldn't see those colors in the desert. Okay.

But big money. I mean, it would make it stupid money. And then I ended up, another guy was doing, you know, I wasn't the only one smart enough to figure this out. There's another guy. And, of course, at the auction, we're going head to head because we all want the same cars. Right.

So finally, you know, we said, let's just do this. This one comes, it's mine. The next one is yours. And so we ended up going in business. together basically and the exporters got smart and they started seeing where we were buying the cars all of a sudden they're showing up up north you know they're so we ended up spreading out further and i used to get on uh wait to you hear this whole deal i used to go uh to Columbus Ohio Monday night I do the auction there Tuesday I usually buy a load of cars there and uh we started shipping trucks

out there so I'd sell a couple loads and buy a load there then I'd go through Chicago to Kansas City on Wednesday and then Thursday I go back to Chicago and I did two auctions on Thursday if I didn't have enough cars to finish filling a truck I'd go to Gary Indiana on Friday which is the biggest shit hole on the planet

at the time was a murder capital I think it still is I mean it's just a fucking toilet but while I'm doing that and Richie I will tell you this Richie Westfall was a guy's name I was with he ended up being the largest wholesaler in the whole Manheim Corporation nationwide nobody moved more cars than rich you did

ended up with his own tractor trailers of course the business went to hell and i'm not even sure where he is now but i mean it was good when it lasted when i first started doing it you could make 15 grand easy on a load of cars then it got to where you're making 300 a car you know i mean so what used to be 15 000 easy now you're struggling to make three grand you know it just just because so many people moved into the well well the exporters started going out further they used to all come to Lakeland you know right up the road here and Lakeland had the auction that's where you took the export cars and all the exports were there and they just buy them and it wasn't just for you know

for the Middle East we had like Puerto Rico they wanted the Cavaliers E24s the Mustang GTs so certain cars went certain places and I don't remember who to hell used to buy them but we used to buy every one of those little raggedy ass Suzuki Samarize and because I'd buy them up north for $1,200 to bring them down they're going to get $2,500. So they don't even have those anymore.

Those little fucking boxy little. Those are cheap too. Well, it was like the most fake Jeep thing that you could ever find. And you had to be careful. I mean, in Chicago, you got to remember I'm buying cars you around up there.

So in the wintertime, it's not such a joy to be in Chicago, you know, and you know, I had a set of car house that I bought and heavy boots that I would. go trudge through the yard before the auction to see you know and now you're trying to look up underneath because you want to make sure the frames weren't rotten that's one thing they could arbitrate them for now you got it back and you know you spend $1,200 yeah yeah and you're screwed so we had a whole crew of people down here I mean auction day there was 15 20 people doing nothing

but cleaning cars I mean cue tips in the vents and you know toothbrushes whatever and we would de northam or dean New Yorkham is what I used to call it so you would hide every bit of rust you possibly could you know spray some paint you know whatever you got to do so that slowly trickled out and down and I ended up oh I I while I was doing that I also got into racing I raced on the dirt tracks and the greatest thing ever I remember Kenny I think it was his ninth birthday we're going to the races and he's like dad you got to win today it's my birthday the last corner on the last lap I actually made the pass to win the race and you know they give you the checker flagger flag and I came up you know

and stopped in front of him I knew where we were said and so like I said I think it was his ninth birthday and he was 19 or 20 came to Daytona and we were out fishing in my boat and and he remembered that you know we were talking about stuff and so that was a cool moment and so I had like three years where I'm driving a race car things are going good no drugs no alcohol no cigarettes nothing and I had lost my grandfather lung cancer I threw cigarettes away two and a half years while I ever started again I'll never know and I met some really cool people I ended up meeting Kyle Petty and we ended up becoming kind of buddies my my ex-wife Luam babysat his daughter Morgan at the infield in Daytona I had a great

Fisher with his son that perished in a race car accident up in New Hampshire 19 years old Adam Petty got killed it was just terrible but Kyle's a great guy and then I met Dale Jarrett he's also a great guy and the coolest person of all it to me at least was Joe Gibbs you probably heard of him he was an NFL football coach for the Washington Redskins three Super Bowls, three different quarterbacks. Nobody's ever done anything like that. Then he gets into NASCAR. And I don't even know.

He's got to have five, six championships now in NASCAR. And so, like, I had taken a picture with him, you know, with the golf shirt and whatever he's got his arm around him. And I get the picture developed. This is back, you know, in the day. Get the pitcher developed, brought it back. And he personalized it. And I'll never forget this.

He personalized it, you know, Jim, blah, blah, blah, blah. God bless best wishes coach Gibbs and that was on Saturday on Sunday I'm walking through the garage in Daytona and I hear Jim Jim and like the third time I think what the fuck knows me you know and I turn around and it's coach gives come here okay and he had these prayer cards that he had written up and you know autograph that to me and whatnot you know God bless greatest person you ever I mean, the guy's his Sharper's attack. And he's one of the people like Rick Hendrick is another person that knew how to surround themselves with the right people.

Right. You know, their management teams were just incredible, you know, with NASCAR. And so anyways, life is going along pretty good. Everything's good. Kids are great. You know, everything's great. Got the race car. Got a car business going.

Life is great. well I decided that I think I don't I don't remember exactly how it came about but I was looking at the paper and there was this advertisement it wasn't really a job it was you know you're kind of buying a business to be a sales trainer for the whole state of New York predominantly with the automotive business and big money and I thought you know this so I called the guy up making appointment I drive down to Cherry Hill New Jersey we make a deal I paid him like 3,000 or 3,500 for this franchise which you know later really was bullshit I mean he's selling me fluff but he gives me what I ended up with for three grand was a bunch

of cassette tapes because he was trying to sell these tapes subliminal messages and I didn't really believe in any of it I sold the tapes one time and and then I just got away from him. But what I did get from him was like a New York phone book, huge. Every car dealer in the state of New York. So I started calling him here was the deal. I'll come to your town. I'll put an ad in the newspaper. You pay for that. You pay for my motel per diem. Give me a car to drive. I'll hire salespeople. Monday, Tuesday, I would interview. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I train them. Now, here's the trick. Here's how I get paid. You pay me $500 for your job. So these people are paying me $500 ahead to come in.

The first week that I did it, I ended up with, I think, 12 people, like seven of them paid in full. A couple of them were on payments, you know, I only got $200. And, you know, so I would take payments and stuff. I had a little contract. They'd take it right out of their paycheck and mail it to me. And so at $500 ahead, you know. $6,000. Right.

First week, right out of the gate. Next week, I only, you know. did like eight people and but this is progressing still that's 10 grand in two weeks right and all legit you know uh and of course you got to look the part you know the suit and tie and and i mean i and i used to take people i remember one guy in particular i the dell corporation in syracuse new york hired me and they had me at uh i don't remember six or eight stores which we'll get I of course have a girl's story for that too but they

they hired me and what was I going to say with Del but anyway I was averaging probably five between five and six thousand a week

every week and like I said oh I know what I was going to tell you Dave so at their Dodge dealership which was their flagship store the guy comes in high water pants black like polyester pants high water with the white socks

you could tell he just bought the shirt that day at Kmart it had the folds in it still you remember how they used to package him up yeah so it still has those no tie hair wasn't even really combed but and he worked in a factory everything wrong for this job and something about him told me he could do it and I said listen

I want to give you a shot, but you really got to listen. Okay. So I taught this kid everything from how to dress, how to meet and greet customers, how to, you know, right down the line, how to close the deal and all that. So anyways, he ended up being the number two salesman for the Chevrolet, for General Motors, for the whole United States, number two in the country out in Southern California. So here's a kid who was struggling, you know, and I took a change his life, you know, and I actually got credit for that in one of the automotive publications.

When I was with the Dell Group, at that point, now I'm married to Luann and things were great, except now I'm on the road every week. And so she wants to start accusing me a fucking around. You know, you know your past and I haven't. Well, you know, if I come home three or four weekends and you accuse me of doing it and we're going to argue about it, fuck it, I might as well be doing it. so I started I understand

I make sense right I mean yeah I'm already I'm already taking shit for it right I'm already arguing about so I might as well do it so my first conquest

was the the receptions at the dealerships and so young Sammy Sammy Dell he goes you're going to the Jeep store

next week and Chrissy he goes you won't get her opinions Okay, you're good and you're slick, but you will not get that one. And I forget what we bet, like 500 bucks, I think. Jesus.

Men are horrible. On Sunday. Right. On Wednesday night, I called him from the hotel, and I go, hey, Sammy, I want you to talk to somebody. Now, mind you, this girl got engaged, got engaged a week before I met her. I've known her three days. She's in the room on the phone with Sammy. giggling.

Well, what about your boyfriend? You know, your fiancé, you told everybody how much? Well, I'll probably still marry him. This is just, you know. This doesn't mean anything. It's just sex. Well, it was sex, and it was the beginning of cocaine. I have never done drugs or anything.

But it turns out that if you have a little bag of white powder, there's a lot of females that will, you know. They do all kinds of stuff. They do the dumbest shit, you know, anything. And I figured that out about Chrissy. And so that was the beginning of me doing it. And so anyways, you know, and my marriage is going to hell. She's figured out.

But in the interim, I had picked up Time Warner. Now, Time Warner, everybody wanted a job for the cable company. Right. They were, this was at the time. It was Time Warner back then. And what was this in the 90s? been it had to have been around yeah had to been around 9091 well cable was massively huge laying those laying pipe everywhere they were and the deal was they had to go to each and every house

and install a box right so somebody at their office said listen you know to offset some of this expense let's hire salespeople and send them in and say look when you get to the house look around you see a bunch of toys okay it's kids try to stop sell you know sell them do you know sell them Disney Channel or I wait what's the other one Nickelodeon

yeah Nickelodeon and so the first week I go to Rochester New York Matt I started interviewing people at 7 o'clock

Monday morning went until 11 o'clock at night same thing Tuesday I ended up hiring 30 people time Warner had been put ads in the newspaper

right and left they couldn't hire people they couldn't get people to come in so so now their manager say hey you know this guy can do you know and now instead of 5,000 you know 25 30 grand and you know I'm getting at least

around 20 grand when I'm done for a week right you know what I mean and uh 20 is that right yeah I think that's right I don't know anyway you said 30 you said 30 people times that's 15 thousand dollars 15 000 right so and you would all right so 15 000 so yeah i'm i was thinking a little girl i mean i did have weeks where i made more than that but so and out of 15 you would end up with say 10 that you walked out with right but you got to remember that's 10 net because i had zero expense right they paid everything they paid the hotel the meals you know car everything and so i started doing that then i hire a guy who you remind me of uh and uh and uh I'm this kid.

Stevie, he's a piece of work. And a little Italian kid from Rochester, New York. Right. And what's going on YouTube? Ardap Dan here, Federal Prison Time Consulting. Hope you guys are all having a great day. If you're seeing and hearing this right now, that means you're watching Matt Cox on Inside True Crime.

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Back to you, Matt. All right. Yeah. Stevie Alfano is definitely got to be a relative of you somehow. Built like you, you know, he's strikingly handsome. Well, of course. Yes. And yeah, that goes without saying.

and Stevie is also height challenged so you know and I told him he wanted to kill me I used to get him different ways but my favorite was when I trained him actually I says do you have a lawsuit perhaps against the city of Rochester

and something's like why would you ask and I said well they built the sidewalks awful close to your ass oh thank you Jimmy but so anyway Steve, I ended up hiring, he picked up things quick, so I hired him to go and train salespeople for me, Stevie, Stevie Alfano. And this kid actually, I don't know if he still is, was in the Guinness Book of World Records. He went down the steps of the Kodak building in Rochester on his hands. So, a clown like, and then we go to Miami, and we're going

to get into that in a minute with the Uniprim with the big scam here. And we went there to visit and the office and see if we wanted to merge my company and all. But anyways, we're in Fort Lauderdale. And we went to the Playpen. And it wasn't that busy. It wasn't like spring break. You know, nothing special going on. So, you know, you got this huge club that holds thousands that there's maybe 100 people in.

So I pick up two girls. And we're back at the hotel. The Playpen. Playpen. That was a bar club. Oh, okay. Yeah, it was a club in the, um, Fort Lauderdale. It's comparable to Cocoa Walk, but it wasn't yet, you ever been to Cocoa Walk

in Miami, South Beach? No. Spent a lot of time there too. But, so I pick up two girls. We go back to the hotel and we're right on the ocean in Fort Lauderdale. And this kid goes in a shower and I'm in bed with both girls. He comes out of the shower with his pecker waving it around like, hey, look what I. And I'm like, you fucking moron. I'm getting ready to let you have one, you know, don't be out here trying you know but stevie was a trip and uh the other thing that really pissed him off i hired his sister to do some phone work for me phone work some some phone work yes and jimmy don't you touch my fucking sister don't you touch my i'll fucking kill you jim okay so i thought he was and he wasn't and he turned up and that didn't go well now his sister

Janice lived down here bodybuilder her boyfriend Tony was probably I think he was like a buck 90 when he started on steroids got up over 300 pounds couldn't tie his own sneakers

and they arrested him in Orlando from the feds came from Orlando or I think Tampa maybe but Arizona too at three different cities and Janice was as hot as a day as long

she was in a shot They fucking ripped her out of the shower, threw around the ground, had her handcuffs sitting on the couch naked. They arrested him for selling steroids? Yeah. Well, when they came to his apartment, he had garbage bags full of steroids. And, you know, Tony was not the sharpest tool in the box, you know, and I've heard you say, you know, when you had all this money coming in, you didn't want a Ferrari, you didn't, you know. He's got not one, but two loituses. He goes out and it was something stupid amount of mine, like 10 grand on a belt, I forget what, you know.

He's dividing trouble. right yeah you mean you've got so you know he went and he couldn't rent an apartment because his credit wasn't good but they rented it to him when he goes and pays for a year in advance right here now you can't say i'm not going to pay my rent it's all right here in cash uh so red flag started going up and you know he got he got popped so anyways i'm back in either rochester or buffalo area at Rochester at Gabrielle Ford hiring salespeople

and I run into a guy named Gary Tapp now Gary I think was a distant relative of Rodney Dangerfield you ever remember Rodney? I definitely loved everybody loved Rodney Dangerfield

Gary looked like him acted like him and he wore these fucking polyester shirts and the polyester stretch pants and he pull it out and pull it out I mean you know just way outdated clothing and stuff

Anyways, and when I started telling them, I said, I get no respect, you know, there's no respect, you know, he's great. Gary was a great guy. So Gary's deal was him and Jim Borlaug, they were consultants. So what they would do, your dealership's not making money, we'll come in and turn it around, and we can prove we can do it because, you know, we've got history. And once you start making money, we want a percentage of it. That's how they got paid. a part of it. Oops.

Like a, of course they got up front money too. Bar turnaround. Kind of like the TV show, bar turnaround or whatever do. They go away. Right, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, bar rescue.

Bar rescue. Yeah, now they own a portion of the. So, yeah, so, and I think, oh, that's kind of cool. And, you know, so he was there and he watched what I did. And he's like, hey, we could use it with Gambino Fort in Lockport and by Buffalo. So, all right. So I went there. I ended up doing a couple of places for him, you know, where they were in consulting and they needed some good salespeople.

So I went and hired some people and brought him in. And so he calls me and he said, listen, why don't you come work with us? I said, oh, I don't need to. I got my own company, you know, I'm driving a BMW at the time. Life is good. Not so good at home. You know, I was still married at that time. and you know if I do this that's you know it's going to be the end because you know I'm never

going to be home at least you know when I'm working for myself I could work three weeks and then if I want to take a week or two off I did and of course she'd get mad because I take two weeks off and I come to Florida her and the kids were still in New York and I'd be down here you know we had a place down in Boca and you know playing around a couple of my buddies you know we'd come down and same thing cocaine and we had a 30 what the hell was it 36-foot donzi a 19-foot rinkled ski boat couple three jet skis and we go up to the to the bar that you could pull right up with the donzie get the girls bring them back down to the house and you know swimming in the pool and the rule was uh in the pool topless if you want to use the hot tub you know we don't

want any of the cloth of stuff coming out, you know, off your baby. So you just got, you know, go ahead and get naked when you're getting there. And so it was great for a while. So the intercoastal, you know, goes north and south. And then there's these little jet ins. We were right on the end and put the pool in. But you had, I think it was either eight or ten houses, you know, like four or five this side, four or five this side, all old people. So the guys loved it because they're out there with their ridiculous on Sundays looking at the girls. Their wives? Not so much.

Right. So we had our own private police force. They'd come by on Sunday afternoons. God, it's the ID. Come on, God. Really? You know, we had to do this every week. It just turned into a hassle. Then, you know, the fucking HOA's are the worst thing on the planet. I remember

getting bills because the grass was a quarter of an inch too high. You know, who the fuck goes around with a tape measure, measurement grass? And, you know, so that ended. But anyway, um i met gary and he's trying to get me to go with him so i came to miami with stevie and i said let's just go listen to what he has to say okay so we come down and he's offering me you know a halfway decent deal and i said well i don't know maybe we'll try it i said you know i i don't know where my my marriage is going and i don't know

So, in the meantime, I went and did a dealership, I don't remember where, and I got home on Friday after him. It was the kid's last day of school. And the ex-wife's in her little garden picking, you know, what do you call it, weeds out of the garden or whatever. And I said to Kenny, my younger son, I said, who'd you get for homero next year? Oh, Mr. Piero, and I said, oh, he's an asshole. Why did they give you? You know, when she comes up out of the guy, blah, blah, blah, blah. I said, listen.

You know, my cousin, Robert had, you know, was a kid screwing around, broke a window or something in Piero's barn. And he had the kid, he fought, I mean, they ended up putting a kid in jail for a week or something over a fucking broken window. I mean, it was just retarded. Or at least that's as much of the story as I know. I mean, it seems like there had to be more to it to end up in, you know, in county jail for a few days or 30 days he was there.

So anyways, that was the last day that I lived at that house. We got into it big time. I left. And, of course, the very first thing I did, she had this hot friend. I mean, just Rhonda McMann, hot as a day is long from Texas. And back then it was the big hair thing, you know, blonde and I mean the hard body and all that. So I call Rhonda. And I said, I've had enough hers.

She said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's go have dinner. Now, she had just gotten rid of her boyfriend. friend, Pedro, I think his name was, or something like that. You know, they had moved up from Texas. I think he was Mexican, or at least part Mexican. But anyway. The name like Pedro?

How do you narrow that out? Well, I'm not positive it was Pedro, but that's what I'm thinking. And so he got a DUI. She was mad, needless to say. We had to go to Syracuse to get him, and I forget everything that was involved. but her and I went up in a van and we didn't fuck but we you know and it's like oh you know you're married and I got there so okay so I'm thinking he's gone Caesar actually his name was Caesar Pena

that's where the Pedro came from Caesar but I still think Caesar was a Mexican or some kind of Hispanic and so Ronda says well let's go have dinner and talk about it absolutely that's a great idea So we go eat and now you have to picture Cooperstown is a very small town. There's like three bars. We are in the one bar where six or eight people that my ex-wife work with are there. She worked for the county. She was a earned income specialist. So she was the one that got to tell the people that were getting welfare.

Sorry, Matt. You made $12 a week too much. So you don't get food stamps anymore. Right. You know, and they actually, somebody actually went after with a box knife. And that's why they ended up, that was why they ended up putting sheriff's,

you know, deputies in that department. But, uh, so a lot of her coworkers were at this bar, and now here's, you know, Jim and Rhonda in the bar, drinking together, you know, and we're making out and, you know, blah, blah, blah.

So somebody had to call her with their best friends. She doesn't know where I went. you know, she knows, all she knows is I took some clothes and I left. Well, now people are calling. All right, you're not going to believe what you. So, needless to say, she shows up and what a fucking fiasco that was. I didn't get late either. You know, that was the worst part.

She put the cock block on me. Yeah. It's upsetting. It pissed me off. Piss me off. So I, at that point, packed up. I had a motor home, and I still had my race car trailer. I had sold the race car.

I had the trailer. I put my BMW on the trailer, and off I came to Florida. My parents lived down here, and I'm going to go down and do this thing with Gary. And so I get to Miami after I've virtually stopped doing what I'd been doing, which was a very successful act. And, you know, their office was so impressive. I walk in, and you ever heard of a brick laugh? in Miami.

Brickle Ave is... Oh, Brickle. Yeah. Yeah. Brickle Avenue, just Brickle in general. The whole area is amazing. Well, exactly.

Like a super clean Manhattan with just, but better. Exactly. Did you notice the Bank of America building by chance? Not specifically, but I mean, every building out there is amazing.

It's gorgeous. Glaston elevator I used to ride. Ferrari's Lamborghini. Like I've never seen so many European cars, European sports cars in one place. Well, that's where office was. I'm Brickle Ave. We were on, I think, I forget,

32nd floor maybe. The office they give me is a big corner office overlooking Biscayne Bay. Doesn't get much better. Suddenly, they don't have that much business. They've got money coming in from what they've done,

but nothing is creating revenue for Jim. But we're going to get all this fixed, and we're open a new office. We're going to shut this one down, and we've got these other people. Well, and as it turns out, we're moving to Vegas and we have Hank and Andy Williams not the singers you know who happened to be from the little town in Texas I think is it Odessa where the little girl

Jessica was down in the well for days right okay is it Midland or Odessa I whatever anyways Hank and Andy are from there and and Hank had a crack problem and he's going to be the president in our new corporation. Sounds like a good choice. Well, the last time that they had seen him before, he had, you know, pissed through everything. They gave him $100, put him on a train to North Carolina. Excuse me.

He goes into this dealership in the mountains up there and introduces them to subprime lending. They're selling 125 cars a month, just subprime. Right. You know, wait, here's a mirror. can you fog it up you're approved yeah and so he makes a good name for himself so that's how he gets voted to be the president of his corporation that was you know they told me all the good things he brought they left out the part about the crap they you know all that shit i didn't hear

nothing about that until after i'm living in las Vegas and so we go out and and and uh there was seven of us gary tab and hank and indy jim boerlogg was with uh gary when I first, you know, the two of them were together with a consulting company in Miami. I'll never forget Jim Borlaug, this really gruff older guy with a very extensive vocabulary. And I was pitching a place in Coco or Melbourne to do some consulting work for them. And he's like, fuck this paper. And he writes in this letter. And like in the first two sentences, you know, there's like five words that I couldn't even pronounce much less know what the fuck they mean.

and then it's, well, let me extrapolate on that. Jim, this is nonsense that, you know, these fucking guys don't have that kind of vocabulary. They're car guys, you know, they're like me. They're smart, you know, and... But you've got to know your audience. Exactly. So, anyways, we all pack up and move to Las Vegas.

I did the... They got out there and got to the office and everything set up. up and I had some other gigs of mine that I still, you know, things that I had set up, you know, previously. And I picked up Stevie in Tampa in my car and we went up to Rochester. And I did something in Rochester. And I think he trained a group in that area. And then I had a refresher. I used to do some motivational speaking to and come back in like a refresher for the salespeople. The time warning used me more than the car dealers did for that. But I went to Buffalo, I think was just like a two-day refresher thing or something. And the company actually

paid that people didn't have to pay it. Oh, I did leave this part out. So not only, so I charged them 500 bucks, but the deal was if you made it 90 days, the company would give you 500 back. So that made it a little easier to get somebody that's unemployed looking for a job. To give him 500 bucks. Right. You know, and I mean, you know, I would try to be as firm as I possibly could be. I tried to get everybody to pay me up front. But I didn't care about the payments. You know what I mean? Because if they last even a month or two and even if they're just getting their draw check, I'm going to get at least half my money. Right. So if I get $250, $300, okay, you know, no big deal.

So anyways, we leave Daytona or I leave Daytona, come to Tampa, get him. Then we drive to Rochester, Buffalo, and we had a great time on this road trip. I don't remember what to hell. We did something in Columbus, and we went to my buddies in Kansas City, Missouri. We spent three days in Denver. There used to be a bar in Tampa called the American Cowboy. Back up a little bit to Tony and Janice. I didn't even know what the fuck this stuff was.

And that really wasn't any of the drugs, but they had the GHB. that Coke I like to Coke but they had the GHB which I didn't really know what it was until later Tony's like you gotta try this stuff and so he's got a Gatorade bottle he goes how much do you weigh you know it was like real fucking technical to know so he gives me this stuff

and Stevie and I would go to the American cowboy dressed like I am you know with a pair of fucking Nike's on in shorts and you know you got the cowboys with their big belt buckles and the boots and all that and piss them off by dragging their women out so anyways the night they gave me to GHB, I'll never forget.

I'm standing there and I've communicated real well. I've got this girl talked in to give me a blowjob in the parking lot. And I just fucking basically, I said, you know what? Never mind. You know, I was just kind of looking at me. It wasn't just be on your way, whatever. And I basically passed out standing up on a wall. I mean, that shit's bad stuff.

That was the one and only time I ever touched it. They call it the date rape drug. I mean, and that's another thing. I never understood. Why would you want to rape somebody? You know, there's so many women out there that'll give their ass away, why are you going to rape them?

So, Las Vegas, you're in Las Vegas at the car place. Yeah, so we finally get out there. Okay. And everything looks good, but I wasn't impressed with her office. But anyways, we, we, Gary says, don't worry, Jimmy, we got it. So by the time I actually move, out there we're on polaris avenue in a new building that's beautiful i got a beautiful glaston

office a nice indoor atrium life is great and uh i end up with uh i think about a month six weeks at the extended stay and then got a brand new condo uh it was 3400 3400 4 000 something it's a good size uh at least 3 400 square foot two bedroom two bath my bedroom was fucking huge. I mean, I had a California King, a couple dresses, a couple nightstands, and the one girl that was there for a minute

made me go by a love seat and a couple more table just to make the, you know, it was just too much room. My closet was bigger than a lot of people's bedrooms. You know, big walk-in closet. Work and fireplace, and so right after I get it,

Hank, the crack addict, him and I he's like two streets over and he says let's go to the furniture store okay so we go to the furniture store and got nothing but the best I mean these couches we got the same exact you know I want that okay just get two

so everything we did we just double and fill these apartments paintings plants everything I forget what we spent in the store but it didn't matter because the company's paying for it company paid for the condo company's paying for the furniture And I have to digress just a little bit back. So we finally form Unipriam Capital Acceptance Corporation.

And so you got Hank Williams is the, I call it Boghouse, but, you know, special finance, subprime finance guy. Right. You know, you got Gary and Jim that are consultants for the whole dealership, and which I knew, you know, I could run a car store myself, no problem. but and my thing was you know the personnel hiring salespeople and whatever so and then Andy is so Andy's the CFO hanks the president Gary's the vice president of operations I think Borlaug I can't remember what the fuck his title was I was vice president of acquisitions

and because we had decided listen we're making money for all these other people why don't we start buying our own and that actually came a little bit down the road anyways We get this corporation formed and we're going to take it public. So we all start off with a million shares. Okay, a million for you, a million, million, million, million. So everybody's got a million shares. But, you know, they're fucking penny stock. Yeah.

I mean, you know, it's as valuable as just piece of paper really at the time. And I go out on the road and I went to Everett Chevrolet first, which was in Hickory. and I walked in and I said listen this is what we can do for you now they heard about what Hank did for you know another company up there and so he's like two brothers and they were the second largest big truck store for Chevrolet in the whole country Marvin and David the dad passed away and you know two brothers can't run a place because you know Marvin would come and tell the service manager do things one way and 10 minutes later right you know together the other brothers so anyways they get me there and they don't need just a subprime department they need help they

they really needed a GM so I see here's the deal it's uh and if I remember it was 36,000 to sign us to sign them up to be uh you know set up a subprime department for I'm going to come in I'm going to hire a manager I'm going to get the people in place I'm going to teach them how to do it for that you're going to pay me 36,000 oh by the way you need the software too that's another 36 grand. So I walk out the door with 72,000 in my pocket. Go right down the street to burn Chevrolet, which is in Gaffney, South Carolina. Do the same thing. Now I fly back to Vegas. Sam didn't go for the, for the software. So, but I still, you know, I'm gone, whatever, four days I come back with a hundred grand. Right. And so we're, and we're getting a person.

of everything they do and whatnot and somehow through all this uh you know we had a meeting and gary says what we need to do is quit uh helping these dealers and so for example that chevy store when they realized i knew what i was doing they weren't just worried about the subprime department they said can you help us out you know so i was basically running the store for him you know and and so they're paying us for that and you know we're getting a percentage of everything So anyways And of course imagine this I get two guys

And two other stores that were Hank's buddies I get a call from Sam Burns at Burns Chevrolet and he says Jim we got a problem Where are you? I said I'm in Hickory You need to bring your ass down here now What's up? Just now I get down there

One of Sam's or Hank's buddies From Texas Also was a crackhead and I've got him in there running you know this finance department he's supposed to be a professional they give him a company car this fucking kid takes the company car he's I find him in a crack house where's the vehicle well I rented it to the dealer so I you did what you know how to fuck do how am I supposed to explain this to the owner of the dealership I'm sorry the guy that I sent to You know, so I get the vehicle back, and Hank's telling me, you can't fire him.

And he's like, what the fuck you mean I can't fire him? You know, I couldn't believe it. The company paid to fly his dumb ass back to Texas. I didn't want to do anything for him. I was like, leave him in a crack house, you know. But, and he didn't do it too many, once he did it too much twice, two different guys. So I guess that smoking crack and doing subprime went together somehow in their eyes. but anyways

so finally we get to the point where we're going to start buying stores and actually I got to digress again before we got to that okay I've got the stock and everything life is good the company's paying all my bills

blah blah blah blah I'm driving down the road in Las Vegas and all of a sudden I feel like I got to throw up and I throw up blood this isn't good and it happened like twice. So I was a little bit nervous. I go to the ER and they said, I think it's just some

irritation in your throat. However, if it happens again, come back. It's okay. I got three blocks away and more blood than, you know, so back I go. So they put me in the hospital in Las Vegas and this is on Friday afternoon. Friday evening they come up and they've got this tape, almost like a police line, you know. They had done a TB test, but the dumb asses read it backwards. They said I had tuberculosis, but I didn't.

The doctor comes money. He's like, oh, it was fucking idiots. That's, you know, they read it backwards. So they take the tape down, you don't have tuberculosis. That's the good news. The bad news is, come on with me. I go with him. Now, mind you, at this point, I'm probably 37, 8, someplace in there. He takes me to his office.

takes this x-ray and puts it up in the light so you see these spots on your lungs i'm a cancer doctor i'm about 95 maybe 98% sure that's lung cancer and i want to prepare you you know uh best guess at this point in time he said you probably got maybe a year ago holy shit okay do what you know so really you know changes your whole outlook on everything right i uh i gave and i didn't even mention eric but eric was my coke dealer out there we got to be real good friend i gave him the condo the furniture of my clothes i packed one bag with some clothes in it and i mean i had a closet for you know suit i mean just you couldn't have imagine the ship. And I'm thinking, I don't need it. I'm going to go back to Florida where my

parents are. Kids around the East Coast and, you know, spend whatever quality time I have left with them. So now I've given everything away in Daytona and I would go to the beach every day and walk and think and, you know, what am I going to do? How, you know, am I going to try to go through chemo and all, you know, I mean, all this shit's going through my mind. three and a half weeks for when he diagnosed the phone rings it's the doctor's office

my bad great news I was wrong it's granuloma from pneumonia you had before well of course I'm extremely happy because I'm going to live however

all my shit I've given away I don't have anything but some clothes that I've got you know money that's it that's all I've got I can't call Eric and say hey buddy listen give me my shit back give me my shit back so great news Eric well in the interim as it turns out the community wasn't real happy with him because you know as a drug dealer and we'll get into that down the road but as a drug dealer the dumbest thing you can possibly do is conduct any business of any kind out of your house exactly you don't shit where you

you know, don't bring these degenerates around your home. I don't want you to know where I live. Right. Eric didn't care. You know, three o'clock and this is a nice, guarded, gated community. The police for our development

are, you know, you could see my front door from their gate. Right. And I said, what do you fuck? Well, I had some of them come to the Belkan. Okay. In the back, well, okay, so they had to look around the corner and they could see you. You know, they're not stupid. So there was all kinds of problems.

And, of course, my name's on everything. But, and I did leave this out. I had mentioned it to Colby a little bit ago. The two and a half years that I spent in Las Vegas, I said the only thing, back to the women, the only thing that Charlie Sheen has on me is AIDS, and he can have that. Right.

Because when I was living in Vegas, buddy, all I wanted was strippers and hookers. When I was done with you, when they were going out the door, make sure, you know, look around make sure that you have everything you came with because you're not coming back right this was a one-shot deal and uh and i'll tell you another quick story from out there too so this other guy that i had met at a club one night we just got to be buddies and you know uh he knew a couple

of other coke dealers and this and that and this motherfucker we he comes to my house we go to the club and I'm not paying attention to him but he opened the fucking lock on my sliding door on the balcony the prick we go to the club he leaves goes back to my house

steals my Coke and my Rolex nice guy never seen him here but you know there's a lot of shit out there but so anyways here comes the scam part finally. So I finally go back to work. At this point, we've already bought stores. Okay. I mean, my stock is still, you know, and Gary says, listen, we really need you because

we just bought a Mazda Mitsubishi store in Myrtle Beach, and it's all good old boys. We need, you know, some fresh young blood and this net. We need you to go up, hire some people and get your ass back to work. And we're going to give you 15,000 more shares. All right. I'll be on my way. As luck would have it, I had, I don't know, it's probably a six, eight-year-old Camaro, that I wasn't in town. I don't remember how it happened,

but it was in my dad's name. It wasn't in my name, and that plays into the story just a little bit. So I had the Camaro. I gave it up there, living in a beautiful place on a golf course, and you ever heard of Larry Bird? It was his favorite golf course.

He used to be in my back. yard all the time, you know, playing golf. So it was a great place. And then I moved from there to a beach house. I was five off the ocean in Myrtle. I love Myrtle Beach. And, you know, I started going back out to the office in Vegas some too, but most of the time I'm spending at this store because we had just bought it. And then we had a store in Pennsylvania. And we were doing something in Eugene, Oregon. And I was talking to a guy in St. Croix that we're going to buy a dealership when we got a house, boats, and all kinds of shit. And it was like every brand of car under one roof.

You know, it was like a huge automobile, but we were going to get the whole thing. So things are going good. Now, our stock, you know, wasn't doing great, but it was doing okay. And I don't remember the numbers. And I don't want to misquote and say, you know, it was this much when it was actually that much. As I remember it, they calibrated it.

We were less than six months from going on NASDAQ. Okay. So the original guys, okay, we're all, you know, on paper, we're, you know, we're going to be okay. We're never going to have to worry about money, you know. And so I come in to work one day. And, you know, I had Lenny Stein, I'll tell you about him. Lenny was, actually he's a great guy. But he has a son, Steve Stein, Steve and Brett Saxon, wrote a couple of books.

The second one was the art of the smooths. And they have a guy you probably heard of that co-authored it. His name starts with Donald, middle initial J, last name, Frum. Okay. Lenny, when I'm in Vegas, calls me up, Jimmy, I got a tux? Nah, well, get on a good suit. I'm taking you someplace. I'll be there at 430 Vigres ready to go.

It's okay. It takes me to the Hawaiian Tropic International Model Competition. Downtown Julie Brown, Joe Pesci, where the MCs. I was seated behind downtown Julie Brown. As I remember, it was a 60-minute TV show, 48 TV, 12 commercial of the 48, Julie Brown was 33, and where I was seated, my face was in, you know,

every time she was talking, you were seeing me, too. So anyways, now we go to the end. after party. And we're up there, you know, having a couple of drinks. I went in the, I went in the men's room because I wanted some Coke and met Pesci. Then a line of blow with Pesci, which was pretty cool. Then I come out and I'm sitting, Lenny goes, Jimmy, come I want to introduce you to somebody. He said, okay. So we walk over and there's these two fucking gorillas. I mean, mammoth people. And they kind of part and he never forget this. It's probably the only person on the planet that ever called that man Don.

Hey, Don, how you doing? Lenny, you remember me? You know, you did the book. Lenny always wanted, he said, Drew, but he always wanted to be Italian, so he tried to talk like the, you know, he was going. So, Trump gets up, shakes his hand. Let me introduce him my friend, Jimmy Bowman. So we sat down, spent, you know, a few minutes with Trump,

which I got to be honest with you. I'm sure that that night he was accused of some kind of misdoings. and the girl that was making the act was you know that was accusing him I never seen her I saw him you know we sat at his table for a while we were we were a couple tables away if he was doing something fucked up I would have seen you know and he didn't you know so when when he ran for president I thought oh how cool is that you know I didn't in a million years never dreamt he would get it you know and then

but then to be able to say that hey you know what I got to you know interact with him on a personal level, excuse me, that was in like 98. I thought that was just the greatest thing in the world, you know, that I had met him and interacted and all that. And I've got to say, you know, I think, you know, my opinion doesn't mean shit to most people, but he's a great guy that really was. He didn't drink, you know, no alcohol.

I guess he's never drank alcohol. I think a brother or somebody, somebody in the family had an alcohol problem. And I had a problem with, you know, he's gotten older and I think the filter from his brain to his mouth is just completely fucking dissolved, you know. Right. If it wasn't for that, you know, I just, I can't believe he's not still president, but I'm going to get into a political thing. So through those guys, you know, I did learn a little more about scamming. Brett and Steve, they, uh, their thing was that the first book was how to meet and hang out with the stars. And they could tell you, like, let's say you ran into Tom Cruise, who's, you know,

one of my favorite actors. He's dyslexic. So if you spotted him at the airport and you walked up and, you know, and started a conversation about dyslexia, chances are going to talk to you. Right. So that's what this whole book was about. Steve and Brett ended up with their own TV show, it didn't last long with Fox called Getting In. And like the first one, when they show both of them in their garage, you know, with the jeans and T-shirt in the morning. And the bet was they couldn't get in. I'm not sure if it's the Academy Awards or what it is.

But anyways, remember the TV show Fraser? Yeah. It was the year Kelsey Grammer won actor of the year. So the bet was not only did they have to get in, but get their picture taken with him. Son of a bitch at the end of the night. Here they are. The other side of Kelsey Grammer.

Boom, here's the pitcher. The next bet was that they couldn't get into the Super Bowl. One was the, and I don't remember the opposing team, but one was the water boy for the Cowboys and the other was for the opposing team, Waterboy. So these guys are just, and Steve now is an author. Brett's a movie producer

and actually Eric that you had on. With the gold. Exactly. I'm trying to put him and Brett together right now. So anyways, back to Juno Prime. So. Stock's doing well. Stock's doing well.

It's growing. It's not, you know, and all of a sudden Lenny tells him and he goes Jimmy you see what happened what happened shit went up like $6 overnight

I'm not well versed in the stock market I really don't understand everything that's going on but I know for a penny stock that's insane right and well in my

you know I'm not going to say pre-brain because I do consider myself relatively intelligent but in my brain I'm worth all of a sudden overnight $6 million $15,000 more dollars

that's how I'm thinking about it I'm thinking about the dollars and I don't know it couldn't have been only a couple of days after that and I think and I could be wrong I think it went to like $17 which for a penny stock is retarded and of course at that point

the SEC came in and so here's what happened. What year was this? That was 99. Evidently, now, I wasn't there for this, but I believe the guy's name was Al Flores,

Alfred Flores. He got a hold of Gary Tab, which Gary, if you remember, was the Rodney Dangerfield guy. Right. He got a hold of Gary. And Gary was a really sharp guy. I don't know how he pulled the wool over his eyes, and they didn't do any research

or anything. But he convinces Gary that he had been in Portugal and he came up with a cure for AIDS. And not only did he have a cure, it was all natural. But guess what? Government was suppressing it.

How did you know that? Fucking pharmaceutical industry. They don't want that. They don't want that. It's all natural. You can't get addicted to it. And it's going to cure AIDS. They're making tons of money. Pharmaceutical companies making tons of money on their own right their own uh research their own their own their own but they don't have a cure they don't have a cure they don't want a cure right they don't want to cure we've got to

they make more money off of treating it than curing it you're right sorry that's the that's the that's the conspiracy theory argument so so now i'm you know i'm hearing this and i'm like what we're fucking car dealers what do we know about well what's not that we this guy oh he did all this research and blah, blah, and I kind of looked around and I thought, you know what, I need to get rid of some of this fucking stock because something bad's about to happen. Before I could make any move and get rid of one share even, I get a phone call. And Mr. Sturgis, my name is Jim Warner, and I'm a United States postal inspector. And my infinite wisdom, I didn't know what postal inspector was. I said, listen, I'm a busy guy. I'm getting this place going. Our

postage meter works fine. I don't have no issues with a post office. Thanks. Keep doing a great job. Have a good day. Hang the phone up. A couple seconds later, you know, I'm getting paged on the intercom system for a phone call. I'm like, who the fuck is it? Oh, you know, so you know, my calls are all screen. So it was just, so I started being a little rough again with him. I was like, listen. He's like, no, no, you listen. I think you need to understand exactly what I am and he says I need to see you

I'm down the street and he's like 10 15 minutes away from the not even from the car dealership and he's like I'm at this restaurant now you've got two choices you've got whatever he gave me 15 20 minutes if you're going to come here and talk to me or I'm going to have four FBI agents come get you

and it's not going to be free right got my fucking attention right you get arrested in the dealership or you can come you can be here in 20 minutes well and listening to you I realize and of course as we get further down to my other fuck up

you know if normally if you make a mistake or have bad judgment or however you want to put it you break the law the cops come put handcuffs on you and you go to jail not with the feds the feds come and tell you hey you you fucked up we're going to come

after you but we're going to let you think about it before we actually act well most people will bury themselves in that period of time like they'll send you a target letter and listen to your phone calls listen to your panicked phone calls from to all of your buddies saying i can't believe it i never should have done this i never should have that well and i didn't you know i i mentioned the pussy and all the party and this and that when i would get back to Vegas i never thought about this but they would go i mean i can't say that i'm not stupid i did think of about it, but, uh, you know, you know, you do a, here's a check for 10 grand, but it's not all for you. Right. You cash the check. Put three in your pocket. I bring seven back and we'll

split it amongst, you know, and I, and I remember, I asked Gary and, well, and he left because he knew shit was going to go back. He was a CFO. He wanted nothing, you know, but, and he left before this whole thing with Flores. He's like, you know what? You guys, you know, you're writing these fucking checks out to you know I mean what's that $15,000 bonus for and of course guess what it doesn't say Matt Cox

you know it doesn't say Colby it says Jim Sturgis it's you know that checks made out to me so the guy says to me says listen you see this where's all this money

what do you mean? What do you mean where's the money well probably gone what do you mean gone you just you know a lot of fucking money here and so

I think the number they came up with originally was about 400 grand that they felt that I owed the federal government and I said no that can't be right you know somebody made a mistake here and it certainly can't be me right you know well you've cash $400,000 with the checks that were written to you based off of this, that came directly out of this company that's a fraud at this point.

Well, at this point, now it is. Now it's a problem. Before now it's not a problem because, and I didn't even tell you all, you know, and I knew things were a little sketchy when Gary calls his brother, I can't remember his name, and he comes to Vegas. And they tried to, I want to say shield me, but I think the better word probably be hide it from me because they knew I wasn't. and a dummy and you know i would question things but we ended up rent in another office down the road and guess what went on there harvey uh harvey tab harvey came up from la and harvey's specialty was to run a boiler room we had you know i don't even know 30 40 50 guys depending on what day at time you went in there on the phone hey uh mr cox this is so-and-so and i've got a stock

offer for you. Yeah, yeah. Selling our stock. The whole wolf of Wall Street. And so, you know, we're selling stock, but there's so much going out, you know, I mean, I don't know how they truly even valued it. Meanwhile, that's how we're buying dealerships. Okay, we come and say, well, yeah, well, what do you want for it? Oh, you want three million? Listen, I'm going to give you four. Matter of fact, let me make it four and a half. Right. You know, I really like you. So we'll give you four and a half. but I'm not going to give you any cash

I'm just going to give you stock and then the boiler room sells a stock and the boiler room sells a stock so and or the dealers like I felt bad for for the guy up in Myrtle Beach what the hell was his name

um back I think I think Addy I think Mike Addy was his name but I think it was Addy Dodge and Myrtle Beach How is that that's not illegal it's illegal when it becomes a pump and dump scheme and they came in and said we have the cure for AIDS.

Well, yeah. So it was bad enough they're doing the boiler room thing. And I know. Because they're probably saying it's worth more than it is. Right. I didn't know exactly what they were saying or what they were doing, but I knew that it really wasn't legal to do what they were doing. But they're getting away with it.

They're writing me these big checks. All my bills are paid. You know, I don't have to worry about money. I mean, I don't have to pay any bills, nothing. Right. you know and i'm getting all these bonuses plus i'm getting a weekly paycheck um which at that time right before everything came to an end it was stupid money like 5 000 or something a week was my salary so couldn't spend the money couldn't spend it right and and uh so anyways this postal inspector

calls and he's the one that explains to me about the fraud he said what do you know about you know this floor I never even heard the name until you just told me and he goes what do you know about the whole age thing and I said I don't know nothing I said I know what Lenny told me you know something about we got a cure and you guys are suppressing it and you know our stock went up and you know and he's like really that's what you know and I said pretty much and he goes okay well now let's go back to this what do you know about all this money I said well I cashed some checks I didn't think it was that much and he goes well I'm pretty sure it is that much You know, it's all in black and white.

So how did you want to take care of this? And I said, well, what do you mean? How do I want to take care of it? He said, you've got to pay this money back. And he said, just so you know, we've already seized everything, everything, you know, houses are gone, cars are gone. From you? Yeah, everything, gone.

Bank account froze. I had $300 in cash, and I had bank to the Camaro that I drove to Myrtle Beach. That's what I had left. They gave me, I think, I think I got an hour, maybe two hours to get out of the fucking house in Myrtle Beach. Take what you can get in that amount of time, and whatever you don't take, forget about it, because you're not getting anything else. You're done. So, at the end of the day, he says to me, let's talk about this. And I said, listen, Jim, there's really nothing to talk about.

I really don't know much about that. He goes, well, much. And he goes, wait a minute, before it was anything. I said, okay, I don't know much of anything, you know, because I'm not going to put myself in a corner where I lie to him. Right. And I said, the other thing I'm not going to do is I'm not going to rat out my buddies. You know, I said, it's just not.

Who got you into this position to begin with? Right. I'm pissed off at him, but I'm still not going to, you know, and he goes, well, what do you know that you could rat him off for? I said, well, again, I really don't know much. And so we went back and forth to playing this little. little dance and finally he says to me he goes you know it seems like you've been honest so we're not going to charge you with anything out of this and I'm thinking what the fuck you're going to charge me

with you know I didn't do anything right you know and he goes well you really did you got securities fraud here and he said I said but I didn't have anything to do with that decision he goes that's the reason that you know we're not but we do want to talk about this money so back and forth we went and I still insisted that I didn't owe no $400,000. Right. So at the end of the day when everything's

said and done with I get what I can in the Camaro 300 bucks and again I had just fucking broken bread but not broke bread but you know had you know sat with our president future president at the table you know

had money you know now I'm fucking broke right 300 bucks i got this car and you just want 400 000 more dollars for me none of this is good so i get back to daytona and at the end of the day the florees he got a bunch of time in prison they confiscated all our stuff and i don't know how they dispersed it back but obviously the people that had real money and they didn't look as me as real money because i had stock I didn't have, you know what I mean? I didn't buy it.

Right. So I got shit. There was nothing to get. I mean, when they liquidated, you couldn't even begin to cover, you know what I mean, what I mean, what people were paying for a stock, even when they were buying it as a penny stock. Honestly, to this day, I don't know exactly what they did do to Gary or Hank. I don't know. I never tried to contact them after that. I just want to get my life together and figure out what do I do.

And so they let me slide, you know, and I, you know, I checked into it further, and I just couldn't believe that somebody would be so balzy, and I guess I left this part out. So while he was allegedly doing this research in Portugal or Spain, it turns out that Mr. Flores was actually in prison in Denver for conspiracy to commit murder for financial gain. Do you mean he didn't really, he didn't really have the cure for AIDS? I don't even think I think I probably knew more about a cure phrase than he did

yeah this guy was just a complete scumbag that's shocking that is shocking yeah you know so I haven't always do you think that these idiots your buddies

really believed that he had it or do you think they knew in my heart of hearts I want to I really want to believe that Gary really believed and Gary was not a dumb person but you know like I said

I can picture him with his polyester pants pulling him up you know he's you know this might work this is something Chris Marrero would believe that they found this this rare plant

in Brazil that you take if you mash it up and put some sugar in it mash it up and you crunch it into a pill it will curate it absolutely Chris that's the way it works and they're suppressing it the government's not going to let you have it

because like you said you know how much money has big pharmaceutical companies given into you know this senator you know the president well in merrero's case you would actually say that the uh the the gray aliens the aliens are behind it but i hear what you're saying that do the aliens are running i've never seen any i'll have to send you one of chris's videos and you'll have a better understanding of what you're

only time i've ever heard about aliens before there was usually some kind of narcotics involved does this individual believe it would these these are these are are extraterrestrial aliens that are really running the government so but i i i i'll send you the video you'll get a kick out of it thank you well now so you uh he believes everything sorry it sounds like joe biden could be an alien i mean sounds like the the rodney danger field guy right uh he's he's he's gary's on that uh he's on that believing pretty much for you to believe that that you got to be kind of gold and like i said in my heart of hearts we were friends a long time and i mean you know a little history with him too when

when we got going in Vegas and of course these fucking dummies you know just because people are buying stock and putting money it doesn't mean you can blow it right that money is not meant to oh so they're they're they're what are they're they're co-mealing funds or they're just misappropriate we had he must have went someplace and did resource ahead of time we had the biggest boat yacht right on lake meat this fucking thing had i forget five or six bedrooms you know three bathrooms, three floors, the top was a jacuzzi for like 50 people that they had taken off just to made it

into a party day. It was two foot longer than the biggest boat previous to when they bought it. And he was in the process of ordering a fucking helicopter. You know, so yeah, and that's why I assumed you know, when they came in,

you know, they came in there, I mean, I wasn't there, but they came in with, I saw pictures, hand trucks and said, they took everybody's desk, every five, aisle cabinet every drawer every piece of paper you know anything that was there you know that wasn't people's personal shit they took and uh turn off and uh so anyways they they uh they took everything you know everything was gone you just turn the uh volume down yes that's it should be it right here Oh on, you dirty bastard.

Not call volume. Which volume do I want? No alarm. Ring a notification? Yeah. That should do it. So, sorry about that. So, you know, you got to believe, I mean, if they found all that money that was written to me, how much money did these knucklehead state?

Now, I don't know. They may have just paid themselves, you know, a handsome salary. Yeah, but they were also getting cash from you. So they knew something. They knew, hey, we need to put something aside in case this whole thing goes wrong. So they knew something was wrong. Right. And if the true number was 400, I probably got maybe 60 of it if I'm lucky, you know, because like I said, you know, I can remember getting checks for 10,000, and only keeping like two.

Right. I don't really need the money, you know. And I'm thinking, it's probably wrong, but, you know, we're. you know, the Bajio had recently opened, so they're down there betting on the horses on Saturday, and, you know, doing a lot of shady shit. Prior to that, Gary actually had owned a couple race horses, and so he was, and there's a real quick story about that.

We were going to Escondido to get his furniture from Vegas, and we stopped at Santa Anita because he had this hot tip. Put 50 in, I'm putting 50 in. you go in and bet and i i'm it doesn't matter if it was either the sixth horse in the seventh race or the seventh horse in the sixth race whichever way i was supposed to do it i did it backwards and guess what you're off all the money no it was a fucking long shot that went up at some stupid and a motherfucker one the one that the hot tip didn't pay off my fuck up actually paid we actually made money he's pulling out bitching me you dumb mother it must have been the seven

horse in the sixth race because we're you know he's cussing the hell out of me And I'm like, well, let's at least see, you know, he's like, this fucking, you know, it's a nag, blah, blah, blah, and we're pulling out of the parking lot, and he's still got the thing on the radio, and all of a sudden this fucking horse that I bet on his sheer error comes in. No, we made like $1,500, you know, off 100 or no more than that. We made more than that. I don't remember what it was, but at Santa Anita, I'll never forget that. But, you know, Jimmy Borlaug and I, we used to go to the reel for the seafood buffet. I guess they blew that place up now. somebody told me, which I find hard to believe.

They had the beautiful nightclub on the roof. And back in 97, 98, it was like 32 bucks for their buffet there. You know, everybody thinks you go to Vegas and everything's free or an extra free. Well, if you're gambling enough, yeah, it is free. And if you want to go off the strip and eat shit that, you know, I wouldn't feed my dog, you can get a $6 prime rib dinner. But you got, you know, something the size of a half dollar. and you know it's not quality meat you know you still pay for these and stuff so anyways

uh i really don't know what happened to gary or or hank or jim i have no idea i never so i come to daytona i'm dead nuts broke you know i go to my parents house and i'm thinking what the fuck am i going to do if i take a job just like what you were saying they want i thought they told me 10 but i'm thinking it's more than that now i'm thinking now i'm thinking now maybe they told me 25 anything that I made they're going to take a big chunk out of it until I get it paid so I'm still crying poverty I listen I you know I can't pay you people I don't have anything and eventually I was able to make a deal and pay you know with an Atari way less and just make it go away after time because they figured out that I wasn't the one you know I had

nothing to do with the AIDS bullshit right and that turned out to be one of the biggest scams at the infancy of the internet you know that was one of the that was like the premier scam when the internet first you know i mean if you remember 99 2000 that's when the internet was just getting going so what what um how much money ultimately did that did that was that valued at what do you mean like are they saying it was a 400 million dollar scam was it a two million dollar scam that i can't tell you that exact number i'm not going to sit here in life If I don't know, I'll just tell you, I don't know. Right, okay.

I don't remember. I don't think I ever knew. Usually that's what they do is they'll say it's a $150 million scam or, you know. Yeah, no, it was way more than that. But yeah, I don't know because, you know, you had millions and millions of shares of stock. At one point, you know, I want to say the normal number I think it was like 260 a share or something, you know, which I'm still good with. okay, I got a million, 15,000 shares. I sell half of them.

I sell half of them, that's a million dollars. If I had sold half of them when it was at the peak, holy Christ. You'd really be in trouble. Oh, that's what he told me. He said, you better be thankful you didn't sell one share of that stuff. And he goes, now you can wipe your ass with it because, you know, it's kind of rough for that. But, you know, he said, you know, it's done. You know, you're done.

So, so I'm pretty much fucked. Right. I come down and, you know, with my tail between my legs and stay at my parents and try to figure out what I'm going to do. And believe it or not, I took a job driving a taxi, cash business, you know, government can't take nothing because they don't know I'm even working. Right. And did real well at it. You know, in my personality, I've always, you know, done the sales thing and that's what you're doing. And Daytona is such a touristy area, you know, like spring break.

I had a 15 passenger van. I'd put 30 kids in that fucking thing. You take a dollar a block. So if they're in the 1,000 block, it's a dollar. The 2,000, they pay 2,000, they pay $3,000. You know, I've actually made stupid money. I think, I honestly think, and I didn't keep perfect track, but I think I made around $100,000 after the first four year of doing.

I did it for like a year and a half, two years almost, before I was able to make a deal with the government and get back in the world. so then I we open up a car dealership in Florida and Daytona and that was going okay and then the fucking landlord comes and says listen I'm in the wedding business and he's coming down from his main office down to almost where I am and says I want to use this for the wedding business your leases up in you know three months you got to go not going to renew it so I ended up with a bunch of cars and i i met another guy uh joe grimaldi and daytona put cars up with him

and well actually i i rented a spot just a storm and he's like what are you going to do it i well we're going to sell him but you know i you know explain oh i got a car lot put it so we ended up going partners i wait and see here it is we we ended up going partners but everything's in his name which is okay uh and i go back to the bog business you know back excuse me folks was bad credit business and we had a company in in orlando called laser and so let's say that you sold a car for 10 grand uh or they usually weren't 10 with that company let's say you sold one for 5 000 and the people put tax tag and title money down so at the end the end of the day you're financing the whole five grand i take the contract to orlando to

altamont springs and they give me 2 500 they give me half up front and then as the people pay they pay me and that's okay you know and the longer they paid the higher my percentage instead i get every month and that way you still have working capital and so i ended up doing well with them and then i got a company called auto use out of massachusetts And we had, as I remember, and I've lost the paperwork, I was sick, but anyways, as I remember, we had almost a half a million dollars on the books with audio use. And I had about the same, I think I had more with laser than I did audio use, but a lot of money coming, you know, right around a million dollar mark. And so anyways, I guess it was on a Friday. I was writing myself a check or a hybrid, what the fuck we did it.

a check for a thousand bucks and what I used to just take a thousand a week and then the beginning of the month we get our our checks in from you know and so whatever that was we you know let's say the check is 50,000 just to make it easy um you had say 10,000 expenses that leaves 40 20 goes to Joe 20 goes to Jim and Joe's part is you know it's in his name I'm using his money and we're using my brains and so that's how we're coming up with a split so I have all this back-end money built up we put in a check for 50 grand and my check's no fucking good at the bank oh what the fuck so I go to the bank and you know the branch were where he did everything and I said what's going oh Joe came in earlier

and he took all the money out of that account and it's now in you know around the enterprises account because he was a plumber too you know so So that all went fucking south, and we ended up part in ways, and one of my other friends, lifelong friend ended up in there. I think he ended up getting some of it. I don't know. I know to where checks coming in their $14, $15,000 a month. Half of should have been mine from just one company,

and forget about the other company. He claims the other company didn't send him any money. Company claims they did. I never got anything. So I end up in New York. I went back up, you know, where my parents, move back up upstate New York. And you always end up back home, they say. When I went up, there was a little girl named Savannah. Savannah had a couple problems. Imagine this. Here we

are with another female. One was she liked to smoke crack. And other than that, she also liked to do heroin. And she used to cry, I got to stop. I'm going to end up dead. And God rest of old she did at 25 or six years old. It's fucking sad. I think that she got murdered. She was staying at one of her ex-boyfriend's houses, who was a dealer. His new girlfriend is not happy. He's got his, you know, one of his ex is living in the house. So his current girlfriend starts giving her dope. Well, you don't have to be, you know, it's not a real far stretch. I mean, people told me that, you know, she was putting rat poison in a fucking heroin she was giving her. And, I guess after a couple days, she started getting sick, and after a couple days, she was butt

naked on a couch, shitting herself, and they finally called her mother and, you know, raised her to the hospital. Her mom got to spend the last hour of her life holding her hand before she died, and then they let her stay with her for like another hour beyond that. So, obviously, prior to all that, she had, you know, crying and crying and crying. So I got to stop, I got to stop, I got to stop. I said, listen, are you really serious? Do you really want to stop? And you're dating her at this point? No, no, she's just a friend.

Just a friend. And, you know, I mean, I was still doing a little bit of coke, but I'm ready to be done with it. I'm, you know, I don't. So I said, listen, the only way you're going to change things as you have to, you know, you have to change people, places, and things. That's, you know, and I said, as long as you live in Daytona right now,

you're never going to stop. So I'm going back to New York. You don't know anybody up there. you've never been there as a small town and actually instead of Cooperstown where Oneonta which is a really small city and I said I'll take you up there

and now I did start dating her when I take her up there but before we went I really wasn't so we take her up there how long do you think it took her to find a heroin dealer I was dating a chick that smoked pot and we went to Atlanta and she didn't have anybody

a dealer to sell her pot and she made a she made an appointment at a hair salon showed up at the hair salon got her hair done and walked out with a bag of weed and that girl hooked her up with her dealer

so we're talking about within a day less than 24 hours and Savannah had the heroin dealer so I'm not happy and I sent her back to Florida shortly thereafter and she called back crying so I bring her back up and I promise this time it's going to be different

it wasn't I mean I knew better but so now in the interim along comes this she met this girl Leah Desimini beautiful Italian girl dark hair with pretty his blue eyes

I mean hard body This girl I mean your dick would get hard Just looking at her She was like model type material Right And so they become friends And

And Leah I felt like she was kind of Like flirtatious And I'm thinking Look I'm you know 30 years older than Savannah

I'm probably about 28 years older than Leah You know I mean the fact that I'm hitting the young one is but I'm not I'm not you know this this girl's out of my league you know I mean she you know I'm old enough to be her father she's dropped it you know she could have anybody she wants why the fuck was she well turns out that you know she found out that I get pain pills you know but I mean legit not you know not off the street I mean I get to prescription

and I got fucking ran over on my Harley that was the like four years ago I'll tell you that story too but anyway so it was about dope with her too and it got to the point Savannah would move out that afternoon Leah would move in then Leah would move out

and Savannah would move back in same day I mean one would move out in the morning by afternoon the other and without me making a phone call anything it was like I don't know it was almost like a sick game they played or whatever but Savannah is up up there and she wants to go

to New York City to visit her friend from Daytona. I said, okay, this is how this started. So I go to New York City. So we go visit her friend Lynn, and Lynn is an MMA fighter. This is just one tough chick, but she likes heroin too. So here's my number one experience with Savannah and Lynn in New York. Lynn goes and gets her two bags of heroin and told her, don't do both. Just, you know, do half a one. Or you know if you really you can do one problem but really

this fucking girl dumps two bags of heroin in her thing and does her thing and next thing I know she's fucking blue Matt right she's essentially dead picking her up

putting her in a shower and you know her friend's freaking out I'm freaking out finally call 911 they take her to the hospital you know I don't know if they

in our candor or whatever but she finally came out she's herself you know yeah you fucking cunt to the nurse and yeah she had them out you know amount to my wrong concealer so anyways lynn overtime well so while we're there samana says well instead of paying you know 20 25 a bag for that shit up there just not as good

why don't you buy a couple hundred dollars worth for me while we're in new york and look at the money you're saving okay so we get back up to to onianta and she started telling people about you know how good this shit is and i guess she shares a little with this one that one now they want some so it doesn't take long and here's a little heroin business and and uh i'm going well let's see eight dollars a bag i pay i can get 12 but i got to buy i think a hundred bags to get to eight dollar a bag deal which i i'm trying to remember all the terminology i think i think a bundle was eight bags of heroin and a bin was a hundred and I forget what a thousand was

so I bought like a couple hundred bags you know and so that would be what a hundred at eight so it'll be 1600 bucks yeah so I bought I bought 200 bags and take them back to Oneonta and let's say that I did this on a Sunday afternoon

by like three o'clock Monday there's none left it's gone and I got people calling want more and I'm thinking this is getting too big way too fucking quick so I

trust this kid Danny Hunt which was another mistake and I said here's the deal you're living at your grandparents' house you're a fucking shit bum you know you have no money and you're a drug addicts here's what I'll do for you I'm going to send you out to make these

deliveries Don't bring anybody to this fucking house. But I'm going to let you stay at my house. Make sure you have money in your pocket, cigarettes, food. You know, so you've got a place to stay. You've got money in your pocket. You've got a car to drive. You know, you've got everything.

Right. And you're happy because whenever you want a bag of dope, here you go. Here's the catch. You ever get busted. You don't fucking know my name. You don't know who I am. You know, you found this shit on the side. I don't care what you tell them,

but the last words out of your mouth better be my name. No problem. It's okay. So things are going good. And I've grown this shit from, you know, a couple hundred bags or 150, whatever, a day to like a thousand. You know, I mean, it was some stupid amount. And I'm trying to remember the exact amount, but I had actually weighed the shit out because if I got, I knew if I got any more than that and got caught with it, the charge was substantially worse. you know it became you know it was a big step up so rather than take a chance on that charge i would only get i think it was 2 000 bags at a time and i found this fake safe it was an

armor all bottle it was the coolest thing ever the top had armol in it you could spray it yeah screwed it together the label blocked the scene nobody could see it I had glued some red pepper on the inside of the thing because I was told that that kept the dogs from sniffing it. Okay. And evidently it worked because when, you know, it's, of course, you know that something bad is bound to happen. But anyways, this goes on for a while.

And all of a sudden, I wonder where to fuck does that. Danny is. He should have been back, you know, a hour ago. Call his phone, no answer. And it went to voicemail. That's not good. I think he left my house at 1.30 quarter to 2 in the morning. Like 6.30, he comes walking up. Where's my trailways? Cops got it. What'd they get you for? Well, I just had one little bag with a little resin left. And so what about the dope? He did. you, oh, that's, that was already gone. And he goes, well, wait a minute.

No, he said there's still some in the trailblazer. He had to think for a minute. And he says, he had a shaving cream can that was a, that was a fake safe too. Right. Colgate shaving cream can. That's what he had in. So, I said, what did you tell the cops? I didn't tell nothing.

I didn't tell nothing. Oh, the cops was, you know, and I said, so they let you go? You got no ticket. They arrested you. They took my vehicle. why did they take my vehicle then if they didn't arrest you why well i i don't know i'm not sure but they did they towed it you would think the cops would have at least given him a a reason i mean something to say instead of saying oh come up with something right he's a he's a he's a drug addict

like you can't well and then thankfully for me this is in delhi new york uh is a real small town and the cop that's investigating me as it turns out is basically a rookie he doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing everything he does turns out to be totally illegal but anyway obviously you know it doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's talked

right so we go get my trailblazer and he's still telling me he's still dope in it we go get it and he comes flying out of the parking lot I follow him up the street he pulls over oh they they must have taken it out shaman can still there you know the fake safe still there at that point you know now i i was pretty sure now i'm positive you know he talked no right there's no doubt so now i have to separate myself from him without pissing him completely off because you know he's already talks it's only going to get worse and uh kill him dump him in the woods

no no but you're surprised you say that because it went through your mind no no you have no you have no idea how close that actually came to happen so as it turned out I ended up or Lynn

ends up dating this Mexican guy who was a really nice guy and he's the one I'm getting the dope from as it turns out his brother is in the upper echelon of the Mexican mafia wait a second a Mexican selling heroin

is connected to the cartel? Imagine that. Stop it. Not true. So the brother says to me, I'll never forget. He's standing,

and this is the good brother. Well, I mean, they're both good guys. But this is the brother that's well connected. He's standing next to the car. And one of my, I never drove any place. I had people driving him. So one of my addicts friends,

whatever you want to call him, customers. This kid used to operate a fucking excavator. And he was going through 20 bags of heroin a day. I don't know how his fucking kid function. How he didn't kill somebody. But anyway, he drove me down because he was finally starting to run low on money. I loved him because, you know, he's bringing me nothing but money, money, money, money. So anyways, he drives me down. And I used to give him, I don't know, two or three bags to drive me to fucking New York City and back. I mean, it's a three-hour ride each way. Plus, you know, you got a bunch of dope because if I go down, you're going with. me. You know, you can count on that. And so anyways, one trip that we're down there, before

Danny had gotten in trouble, the brother that's, you know, hardcore in the mafia, he's standing at the back of his car and he pulls out his gun. And he says, Jim, he's got a fucking goal. He said, let me just, and he said, the alley's right there. We'll just, and we'll just, and we'll and go and you know I've never done anything you've been fucking remotely close to that you know and I'm like now he's all right you know

and I didn't think it was that serious no I'm stuttering stammer I don't know what the fucks I mean he's got no issues with me but he knows this kid's a fucking rat he knew it somehow he knew and so it turns out that he was right you know and I I would never want to kill somebody but I'd often talk God I wish

I just came around the corners a couple minutes later because I think I think you would have just done it you know and of course I said my infinite wisdom and smart ass in me

I said well why don't you at least get him out of the car why I put fucking blood and broken glass in the car because he's sitting in the back seat of the car he wants to just go right through the back window just in the back of the head and be done with it

and you know this guy's driving a brand new Hummer you know his house they lived well the older brother, the one that was in the mafia, his house I was never actually at, but the younger brother lived two blocks from John Gotti's house.

I mean, nice, in Queens, you know. And, you know, they weren't ultra-flawing it, but, you know, one's driving a Hummer, the other one's driving, I think, a Beamer, you know, but they had other cars, too. And so, anyways, I'm going back and forth to New York and I've always got so I hire

I replaced Danny with Roger and the deal I made with Danny was I said listen oh I left out a couple things about the fucking scumbag number one besides turning me in I didn't know this right away it took me a minute to figure it out he found my safe in the house clean that fucking thing out

dope money everything stole televisions, Xbox I forget everything he stole out of my house. What he did, a little bastard went down in the basement and, you know, they had the outside doors to get into the basement. Right. And unlocked it.

You know, I'm not down there. I'm not going to fucking check that. A little bastard. It's like your other buddy that unlocked the screen door. Right. The sliding glass door. Yeah. Yep. So this little prick and worse than that, you know, and my dad

is, you know, my dad's my dad. You know, best friend I you know love him more than anything on the planet and he goes my dad always my mom always carried or had a little like a vinyl lunch bag cooler type thing she used to pack my dad a lunch every day right and except for Fridays he would eat out but during the week he he preferred so anyways he took a thousand dollar deposit on a car and he stuck it in a little pocket like on the front of this cooler fucking den he even stole from my dad took a thousand dollars from him I mean I want to kill him for that $1,000 what?

Cash. Oh, okay, $1,000. Cash, they had deposit on a car. Oh, my dad was so mad. And the little bastard went right through the office, into the detail shop, grabbed two of my big screen TVs, and went running out of the door with them, threw him in a car and took off. You know, this was after I parted ways with him. And even when we parted, I was trying to be nice. I said, listen, I know you're a fucking rat.

I know, you know, I said, let's. And I told him, I said, you know, you don't even realize. But you had a gun to the back of your fucking head. You didn't even know it. I saved your life, you little prick. And I said, I'm still going to give you dope every day. But you need not testify against me and you need to keep my name out of your mouth. Oh, I promise, I promise.

None of that was going to happen. No. And I knew better. You're delusional. Exactly. At that point, I'm thinking, well, what can I do? Right. So I hire his buddy, Roger, to take his place.

and we're coming back from New York City and I told Roger I said don't you ever tell him where we are don't you ever sell him dope nothing turns out Roger's on his phone texting him oh well we were here we were there

and that's when we got popped the police I'm asleep I'm in the backseat the car laying on the back seat and I'll never forget this old man got the back door open and he's got to gun and the fucker's shaking like this

we're Sturgis where Sturgis said whoa you know I had my I had a blanket I mean I'm like trying to get my hands out and I'm like don't fucking shoot me you dumb ass I said you know what's going on now the cool thing is if there is a cool thing

who is the old man and like a D-EA agent or a cop? No these are local Delhi cops okay these idiots go from Delhi to a town called Shedankan now Shedankan is in Ulster County Delhies in Delaware County they go to Shan Dank and that's where they pull me over

the local judge wouldn't sign the warrant because he's a family friend and didn't believe that I would get involved with something. No way, Jimmy said to that, no, no. I'm not signing a warrant. So they get a new judge in another town this kid just became a judge. It was actually my elementary

school principal's kid and imagine this way back in fifth grade. The only time in school I fucked up, I used to spend all day at the principal's office i'd come to school go to his office my desk was in his office for all the fifth grade i had a teacher miss his house i couldn't stand every friday he would go where my mom worked and have lunch and give a report on me anyway so his kids the one that signed the warrant but it was so generic they could have came here and searched this house right so everything they found they couldn't use

and all they found was the shit that i gave the two morons they had i think 46 bags total that was all they found right there was two thousand bags in that fucking armor all bottle in the back of the car. My father wanted to kill me when he found out. Police had the car for three days. My dad picked it up. Dope was still there. Okay.

I mean, I didn't tell him where for it. Dad, by the way, make sure that they're still, no. Yeah, you just pick the car up for me. So mistake number one was the bad warrants. They had, you know, again, a New York City phone book, you know, a stack full of shit. But they didn't have one. clear pictures showing me giving dope to somebody or me getting you know collecting money they had

nothing all they had was pictures of you know different people coming and going or me meeting people or other people mostly other people meeting people but they did you know they were focused on me so anyways they they arrest us and they put us in a Delaware county jail well if you arrest somebody in Ulster County then you take them to Ulster County jail you don't take them to Delaware so they gave me a public defender and he comes and he says, I'm assigned to your case, but it doesn't matter. I said, what the fuck you mean? It doesn't matter. You know, I'm in jail. I got a $100,000 bond. What do you mean?

It matters to me, and he goes, no, you don't understand. They got you in the wrong kind. They're going to have to let you go. So this is on, I don't know, I'm going to say like a Monday, whatever. No, excuse me, it was on Friday. On Monday morning, they round the three of us up, and they had us in, basically solitary confinement. I'm in a cell by myself, away from everybody, and they had three cells. One of us was in each cell. I don't remember coming out of the cell. I fucking slept the whole time I was there. I basically don't remember. I remember giving the fucking

guard at the front a hard time. He was a real fat douchebag. And I remember when I left there, I told him, I said, you better hope I never catch you on the road, you fat piece of shit, or on the street, you fat piece of shit. You know, are you threatening me? I said, no, I said, you know, it was a promise whatever i mean i was a real dick to him but he deserved it because he was an ass so now so now they uh re-arrest us and take us to ulster county when we get there the judge is like why is his bill so high these guys are the two guys that were with me there's just 20 minds of 100 well they're cooperating right roger's trying to tell me he didn't cooperate meanwhile you know there's a fucking half wall i can hear you dumbass right you know

and he sang like a canary but they wanted me and this is how stupid they were and I did but I told the cop I said you know again this is just local cops I said I'm not cooperating anyway you can go fuck yourself I'm not giving you any names or anything he said we don't care

we got and this was his words El Chapo of the Northeast and I'm like what you know I mean I was selling some dope but I wasn't you know nowhere's near and these fucking dummies never tried to go higher than me right you know

thank God they didn't get the DEA involved because you know they would have been and I mean I would have never gave them up but I could I could sit here right now and tell you exactly how dope gets from where it starts all the way to New York City

you know and a drug or the drug addict's hand I mean it's it's not that complicated. Right. You know, a lot of it comes down to money. But, you know, thank God they never, they never asked.

D.A. never got involved in anything. So they take, they take me to the county jail in Ulster County. And a couple weird things happened. I spent the first three days in medical there because I couldn't have my opioid. I mean, I'm on a heavy-duty painkiller. Now I can't have it. Now I'm going through fucking withdrawals. So they put me in the medical unit, and for like three days,

the guards were raising hell with us because New Year's Eve came, and I'm leading and singing, we're singing, I'll be home for Christmas. I just don't know what year, because the cops promise me. He said, I promise you, you're getting a minimum 10, but you're probably going to end up with more like 20, 25. I'm 57 years old, okay? Right, at that time. right at that time i'm thinking you know you might as well say that's a fucking life sentence to me

and you know if you get 15 20 years you know they're not going to take care of you in prison no so so anyways uh i don't know why i was singing happy but then they moved me up on a regular i was like i was telling you earlier we were talking uh what they called the super max 2000 and uh i think the second day there i suddenly got sick i went back in I'd sell it like lunchtime and I don't I kind of remember but another guy came running in and he was running out and he's like man you got to do something he's sick sick so he took me to the hospital I guess I had some kind of cardiac thing I spent a week in the hospital and the guards were all cool they they cuffed me like when the new guard was coming as soon as a new guy come in

he takes the cuffs back off right so I was never cuffed except for one guard one night and I had the nurses bringing me ice cream all night long can I get another ice cream you know except again with the one guard you know you got your own TV it was great for a week I was there and a lot of things that I've heard on a lot of your things it's

kind of weird because you know even though I was only there for a short amount of time it was like you know the black guys have their TV the white guys have their TV and there was a little bit of intermingling but not much you know not what you

would think in a county jail and i remember you know the the one black kid had a smart mouth and his his people you know they blocked off one of the cells so that you know the CEO couldn't see and take them in and beat the living i mean this kid comes out with fucking blood running down i mean nobody says anything you know i mean the CEO couldn't have missed it but um you know i guess that's that's what they did but i left out a couple of things i'm going to go back to the to the car wholesaling days because that's important to this part back in the day you could in Florida you could write a draft and what I mean by that is let's say you went to a new car store and like my god rest of soul Danny used to buy everything out of a Cadillac store and you bought $50,000 worth

to cars but they didn't have titles for them you'd write oh great you don't have to perfect there's a draft for 50,000 and what that meant was you didn't have to pay for these cars until the titles came in now when the title came in they might say oh we only got two of them so you know you got to make 34000 or 13000 or whatever good so now you go back up give them a check or we got we're going to put your draft in but you had two or three days so everybody's floating money right now up north with the amount of money I'm spending shipping cars down here especially with rich I mean we're I can remember Tuesday nights we had to have 200,000 to cover the fucking checks we wrote. Had to. Had to sell that much

in cars. I think they call it kiting. And at some point along the way, I checked for like 25 ran, never went through. I ended up getting charged for that in Pennsylvania. When on probation, that was way back in the day. And I thought I had paid everything off. And they kept saying you got a hold. It was 30 fucking years ago. I never dreamt that it was son of a bitch I'm happy because they take me to court by two co-defendants

they had to let them go because they only have 10 days to get you in front of a judge they didn't take them because they couldn't take me because I was in the hospital right so they kicked them loose and they're like they're doing the same with him they take me up and okay you know

but you have a hold I have a hole so you know all the guys in the block are laughing and i come back in the hold is for this fucking check from 30 years ago and son of a bitch and matt you this is the most incredible thing so now they put me uh they all right everybody says they're not going to come get you there's no fucking way in guys creation they're going to come right people don't realize that that that if you have a you could have a warrant out of florida and you could be in new york and if if florida says this is stupid like this is such a

thing we're not going to spend the money to fly this guy out or to go pick him up and drive him back we're not going to spend several thousand dollars to get him back on something that's going to be quashed and most likely because it's so old right but guess what right they actually come and here's some bad luck yeah i mean i've had a lot of good luck to this but i the bad luck is same fucking judge is still on the bench 30 years later and he's like oh he's in jail in the neighboring state we'll go get him right and so they can hold you 10 days if they don't come within 10 days then they cut you loose so i'm on day nine and the morning start just pack it up like you know five o'clock in the morning and they pick me up when we stopped going across

pennsylvania at McDonald's got a big mac french fries trying to eat that with fucking handcuffs on and a belt and all that that's not fun but i get about three quarters of the way through it all of a sudden i start having chest pain i'm thinking it's indigestion well fuck no it wasn't i had some kind of cardiac event in the back of a cop car which ended up working to my advantage they took me to the hospital and then they transferred me from one hospital to the to the butler hospital which is the town i was actually headed to but that was where the bigger how we were almost there to the bigger hospital and i'm only there a short time and the cop that brought me he comes in he goes oh that's your lucky day and he goes well kind kind and i said what do you mean by kind he

said well the bad part is you're here the good part is you're free and he takes the handcuffs off And I said, what's up? He's like, and, you know, I figured it out in two seconds. They didn't want to be responsible for the medical bill. Right. You know, fuck, no. He's not going to cost us money. So call probation whenever you get out, you know, and so I did.

And they made some stupid arrangement, $50 a month or something. I give them to pay it off, which will take 100 years. Right. But, yeah, so, so Danny, yeah, he broke in, stole all that shit, stole from my father. and I said that, you know, I shouldn't say it, but I, if I ever get a chance, I, I think that, you know, a baseball bat could fall out of my hand and hit one of his knees or something. How long ago? How long ago? How long ago was this? Six years ago. Six years ago. Six, seven years, yeah, six seven. Yeah, so, yeah, six years ago. Yeah, so, yeah, about six years ago.

I haven't forgotten, you know. You're holding resentment. Oh, you know. It's not good. You've got to let that go. I can't. That's, you know, I mean, you think about it. And I guess, you know, I've heard you and a lot of the people say, you know, it's human nature, you know, self-preservation. I'm going to talk. That's not how I was brought up. You know what I mean? I just, I couldn't do. And, you know, they didn't really come to me and ask. Like I said, the DA had, I think had the DEA have known what the fuck was going on, they certainly would have wanted to gotten involved. But again, I had a rookie cop. warrants that were absolutely no good the search warrants were absolutely no good cop didn't know what he was doing the warrants were no good

I mean the whole thing was just a you know it was a fucking mess so they let you go but they didn't drop the charges not yet okay I mean people don't realize you know you have to understand people don't everybody follows like they think oh they let him go they dropped their no no they drop the fact that he

they can't hold him on no bond or or any bond they have to let you go on your own recognizance saying hey you promise to show back up right and you go of course I do and of course I did right and I went to court one time and my lawyer called me and he said listen they're offering you a deal I don't think you should take it because I want to sue them but it's up to you ultimately and I said what's the deal the deal is you take a misdemeanor conviction, no felony, just a misdemeanor conviction, pay $700 and they'll give you a year to pay it. And that's it. You're done. Chargers are gone. There is no more. I'm like, sign me to fuck up. Right. You know, I, why? I want to sue them because everything they do. And I'm

thinking, well, yeah, that'd be great. But you know what? I did it. I did it. I, I, I, I can't say I didn't do it. Right. The fact that they... This isn't a wrongful arrest. Right. Well, it wasn't wrongful. It was just the only illegal one.

Right. And so at the end of the day, you know, I don't feel comfortable really going after them, you know. And so believe it or not, that's what I ended up with out of that. So, and I remember sitting at the cop station that night and the cops tell me, me, they guaranteed me. I guarantee you. First, they started talking 25 years, and then the older cop, he's like, well, if you get real, real lucky, you might get 10 or 15, you know, so I ended up with none.

What happened to the 2000 bags of heroin that your dad had in the back of the... It got picked up when I got out, and... You'd flush it down the toilet because... you thought that I'm done with this it's the right thing to do well yeah that's yeah that's a good story yeah we'll go with that I was going to say I buried it in the backyard yeah but I

I was going to I was scared the animals could get into it I love animals so it found a new home I you know I'll just leave it that way if I knew home my father could have killed me when he found out that you I could I said if the fucking dummies didn't find it in three days with the car

and dogs you think they're going to wait until my dad picks it up and then go well let's arrest this, you know, at the time 79 year old man or whatever. You know, I can't believe you did that to me. I said, Dad, I love you. I'm sorry, but, you know, I mean, a lot of money. I mean, if somebody has to go

down for this, dad, you're already 80. I mean. God, you know, it was and, you know, so poor Savannah ended up dead, you know, and Leah, I don't know. happened with her. She was a real fruit cup. And I left this part out too. In the

interim of going back and forth between the two of them, Leah marries this guy, tried to tell me that, you know, they were just, and I come to her house and I'm like, oh, what's this bright and room cups? And what's, you know, what's this and what's that? You know, and meanwhile, she's giving me head and I'm finding, you know, she's like, oh, oh, my dad got married. kept the stuff well yeah he told me to hold on to it i mean stupid fucking you know so i knew and finally she admitted she well so her husband i felt bad for his poor guy you know uh not bad enough to get a blowjob from his wife well you gotta have it's a balance here's the well here's the worst part of everything i did with her imagine this and i told the guy said you know i i

I don't want you to ever end up with this bitch again, so I want to make sure you understand how dirty she did do you. And he's like, there's more? Well, yeah. Remember when you got married? Of course I remember when I got. You know the honeymoon suite you had at the Hampton Hotel? Well, yeah.

How'd you know we had a hotel suite at the Hampton? well you know I was there for a couple hours with her before you guys got married the night so this bitch is going to marry this guy and she's fucking with me you know two hours before they got married who was the guy no just some schmo from yeah his name is viny from long island and that's where she was from she was from long island a viny from long island yeah can you imagine yeah it's crazy that's so unique probably people you probably just you might giving his full name. You probably just, I mean, people know exactly Vinnie from Long Island.

I know him. Yeah, right? We had a guy in jail with me, not when I was on the other side, but he's in jail with me. And they call him Nicky Bats. Now, this is a white guy. Nicky's probably 30 years old. His story is that when he was a child, his father molested him and his brother. The brother won't.

deny or confirm it. He won't go either way. Nikki claims that his father tried to molest his son. And here's where the bat's part comes in. He took a fucking baseball bat and beat his father to death with a baseball bat.

So he's in, it was to say, for murder. And when you meet Nicky, come in the block, hey, what are you in for? And they didn't have to ask me, believe it or not, these fucking schmucks had this when they, it is kind of crazy because of the small town cops, they blew this way out of proportion. Like I said, they acted like they, some places

they actually said they captured El Choppel of the Northeast. And, but they, these fucking dummies had it in the New York Post and some other papers. So the guys, when I hit sub-blank, they actually knew who the fuck I was. And, and the guys like, this makes no sense. There's this other drugs. He said, this makes no sense.

There was 46 fucking bags. Right. How, you know, I said, well, they miss some. And he said, well, they still might find it. You know, where's the cars? Well, they told it, you know. And they never did it. But anyway, so Nikki ran the, I guess you would call it, white guys TV.

And the motherfucker, all he wanted to watch was the old movies. And I can't remember what it's called AMC movies, you know, I think. You know, so. So the black guys either watched sports, which I like for the most part, or they had to watch like fucking Oprah. All the brothers would be gathered around the TV. They'd be like huddled. And it was kind of weird and not weird.

I guess that was how their chain of command or whatever. They had two older guys, and they controlled the TV. That was it. Whatever those guys wanted to watch, that's what all the black people were watching. now if you were white and wanted to watch the black TV you could do it but you couldn't do it at the TV you know you had to be yeah a certain distance away when we ate everybody had and I didn't know this you know everybody had an assigned place to eat I get there and I you know it was this fucking slot but you know and I go oh you can't sit there yeah fucking me I can't sit in your spot

yeah so you know and and the other thing that I learned very quickly my my neighbor I wish I could remember his name and this doesn't make any sense to me Matt but here's a kid clean-cut and as a man I'll even say you know good-looking 30-something white kid you could tell he was I think Irish you know I forget his name but that he would lead you to believe he was Irish real clean cut no tats nothing he'd already been to prison twice and he was what do you call it smashing grab and he would he would hit like the convenience stores and he'd be in and out in less than two minutes

used to dress like a ninja he would all black and put black on his face but he had the black clothes when he got busted the reason he was in with me these fucking dummies when they shut the trunk part of their shirts or pants

you know the black ninja shit was hanging out the trunk and it was flapping covering the tag that's why they got pulled over and of course they opened the trunk and here's a cigarette you know 40 cartons of cigarettes and they just had a robbery mysteriously imagine this there was 40 cartons of cigarettes sold and that's exactly how many they had so but here's this kid and i use i'm going to milk so i was giving him my milk every meal and little did i know after you know one day he was medical

or something i gave it somebody else and they're like oh here here's some cookies and here's this and here you know so i'm getting all kinds of free commissary shit for for my my milk that was free to me yeah you know i didn't realize you know that the trading shit that goes on and i mean it was only a couple days before i had commissar so i had you know uh and then i when i got the money on my account then i could actually eat like a human being again you know you not like a human being but you know and i mean the hamburgers were okay the the chicken wings were okay you know you felt more you could have a fucking soda instead of drinking the whatever it is kool-aid or whatever the shit yeah that was just some nasty shit and and i say nasty shit but i remember

remember after only being there a couple days finding an extra mug so I could get two cups so I had something to drink for you know later on or whatever but and and I don't know to this day I don't know how they did it I mean I had a couple of stories told from people that the one guy said when you went to visitation so you're sitting there I'm sitting here okay and there's a table about this high you're allowed to shake hands and like a hug at the end of the visit. So my one neighbor, he said that his dad would bring him weed and a lighter. And when he hugged him, he would stick it down between his jumpsuit and his t-shirt.

So he'd have his t-shirt, you know. And they didn't strip, so they'd have you drop your jumpsuit, you know. So this shit was, their t-shirt was tucked into his underwear. So that's right. So we could put it in his t-shirt, excuse me, put it in his t-shirt. So that's how, that's how he claimed he got it in. But every fucking night you would go near the shower, which was right ironically behind where the COs sat,

you could smell weed. And I'm like, how the fuck are they getting it in here? I mean, I really was curious how they were doing it. I mean, I wasn't going to. Might have been just a CEO bringing it in. You'd be shocked. I mean, you'd be shocked what the COs will bring in because. Really?

Yeah. The one CO that we had was really cool. he's like you know uh he thought that i was in there for the pills and i'm like you know he's because he knew i was sick you know uh dope sick and stuff and i said no i said i'm in here oh my god you get off the heroin i said i'm not on heroin i'm on you know i'm on fucking dilaudits that's prescribed from a doctor and i said but i'm still the same shit you know it's it's just like going through heroin withdrawals when you don't have them um and to take you off cold turkey is nasty i can tell you that was that's why i ended up sleeping that time for

the whatever it was two three days at uh uh Delaware County Jail you know so my karma did continue after after that I mean the the Mexican Mafia you know they were thrilled to death they somehow I don't know how how do they get a police record because they knew that quote I mean they knew not only did they know what I say

they knew exactly what I told the cops you know like fuck you I'm not giving nobody uphold they knew that well you can get

the Freedom of Information Act or they can just have a lawyer request a copy of like hey you know like what you say well the cops

are going to write down what you say that they're going to write write up an affidavit or something no it's just a police report like you know he stated this

he stated that he stated this like they'll have like a five page or 10 or 20 page where they've written it out unless they've no shit yeah i mean that that's typically what happens unless they've got a recording in which case they could get a transcript well that because the the older brother you know uh he got a hold of me shortly after i got out yeah you need anything blah blah blah blah it was like oh i'm good you know i'm good and he's like well you know you're i forget stand up or say and i i i was honest I said you know what I like walking around breathing right and he kind of snickered and I said you know I know how that shit works

you know I'm not a fool and I I honestly think that they would you know I think that if you those are the kind of people if you did run your mouth you wouldn't be walking around anymore you know that's that's why when I got in there I'm not going to say oh yeah well yeah

I know how they did this and they did no you know you know right I'm not giving up any of those secrets you know other like said it all comes down to money and so then imagine this after all that i get out i'm in butler pennsylvania that's cold as fuck all i had was a thin jacket i had 125 140 on the account they give you a credit card back with your money not gate money this was my money yeah i remember you saying i didn't get no gate money yeah no this this this they

didn't give it to me it was my money but it's on a card and it worked just like a prepaid credit card thing you know so i went i found a little first sore across the street and i got a south pole i get that and i got to wait for a fucking bus to get out of town but take the bus from butler to Pittsburgh which is i don't know 45 minutes maybe away if that i get to the bus station in Pittsburgh and i go outside because i want a cigarette i hadn't had a cigarette you know and i was only locked up like three weeks, you know, total. And the only reason I didn't get out was because I knew I had to hold. You know, why pay a bond when I know that I'm just going to go here anyways? And you had the respiratory thing that you just got out of the hospital for, so obviously cigarette seems like

a good idea. Well, of course it is, yeah, of course. So I get to the bus station in Pittsburgh and I meet this girl, imagine that, and she's like, I forget what it was that she's seen or but somehow she knew that I had just gotten out of jail and she said I got something for you and I'm thinking oh boy a blowjob but that wasn't it she she had some weed and I've never been you know huge consumer a pot but I went outside and the shit that these people have today

is just incredible I hit this thing like three times I get on a bus from Pittsburgh I don't remember to ride to New York City have right I none of it I was just fucking shot out and I finally get back up and my parents are so mad and I didn't leave out a couple things my mom Christmas Day crying you're going to kill somebody son

you've got to stop I said I'm going to quit soon I really had it in my head I was going to quit on the first and I'm not sure how I was going to enforce it but I had somebody that wanted to buy the business but they didn't have cash so they were going to have to make payments right

so I set you up with all my people i give you my connections to buy i give you the customers to sell to and i just want a couple grand a week right now what would make you pay me or why i thought you would pay me i don't know but i i really did have it my head i was going to quit on the first of the fucking year and i got popped on the 29th to december like two days and i you know i had somebody in place ready to take it over and everything now roger the guy that was the idiot that texted you know god rest his soul too i guess he's passed away too but he the thing that's the worst thing is to be a liar this fucker keeps trying to tell me he didn't run his mouth well like i said there's a half wall i can hear

you're dumb ass i can hear what you're telling them so i get after i get out they'd already been out a week or two and so i get back up to nontah and son of a bitch he if I don't see him walking down the street and it was raining or whatever. Hey, hop in the truck, I'll give you a ride. So he gets in the truck, bang, I hit him, I broke his fucking glasses, cut his eye and shit, open the door, threw him out

right down the fucking side of the street. That's what you get for being a rat motherfucker. Yeah, that could have gone wrong too. They could have come and picked you up for that. For that, for an assault charge. Yeah. No, not just that, but there's a federal charge if you strike a,

if you actually physically harm someone that cooperated again, you you can get a federal charge and go to fucking prison it's like a five-year mandatory minimum or minimum mandatory i'm just in dire hope that there's a statute of limitations on it because it's been sure pretty much everything's about a three-year statute of limitations yeah and we're at six seven years so and he would have already gone straight to him if he was going to do anything he would have gone straight to i had no idea that i i mean i knew that i could catch a charge for it but i remember telling him when i you know threw him out it might be three to five might be three but i mean i'm saying

It might be a three-year mandatory minimum. And that's the federal feds get in charge or getting involved. Yeah, I figured the worst case that, you know, state was going to come and say, hey, you know. Well, I mean, the feds were going to be involved with your thing. They would have come in from the, as soon as the, right off the rip. As soon as the state thing fell apart, usually, usually there's something state falls apart and the state will go and be like, listen, we fucked up. Here was the problem. Boom, boom, boom.

And they'll go to the feds and say, here's what we got. The feds will come in. Just indict you on that, knowing that a federal judge isn't going to. throw any of that out. A federal judge will be like, oh, no, all of that's included. Oh, no, no, but yeah, that's state law, you're right. But we're the federal government. We're picking up this case. We're going to charge you. And we're going to go ahead and we'll try you. If you want to go to trial, we'll try you. But really in federal court, all we need is these two guys to get on the sand and say they were buying the drugs from you, the drugs that they clearly found.

And we'll see if a jury will fall for it. And the truth is, if you're just sitting at that table in a federal court, right? They already think you're guilty. let alone these two guys getting on the stand and then they actually found heroin? So usually you can get a couple of guys that get on the stand and say we were selling drugs.

They didn't catch us with the drugs but we were selling drugs. We've been indicted. But the guy we were buying from is this guy. They indict you and you can be sitting there going, I wasn't caught with drugs. They weren't caught with drugs. Nobody was caught with drugs

and you're going to indict me on a drug charge. What they found was, I think it was Roger's jacket or something, they found. And these two dummies, it was shit that I had given them. You know what I mean? And I'm thinking, why? Why did I give it to them? Why didn't I just give them a bag or two each, you know, so they could do it and, you know,

and then give them the rest of the got a hole. But it is what it is. You got lucky. I got very lucky. I mean, not just once. Yeah, multiple times. What are you doing now? What are you doing now?

Well, I have my buddy that owns a tow company. I help him. I'm so like a little kid. You know, I like playing with the trucks and stuff. I sell some cars for him and whatnot. And going through a lot of health, I've got some health issues. I need to get back up to New York to a specialist. My mother was diagnosed with cancer right before Christmas.

Jesus. And here's the bad luck thing. I go to New York. I had a GMC pickup truck. I used the auto train. The dog and I rode the train from Sanford to Lorford, where Lorton, Virginia, which is Washington, D.C. drove the rest of the way up like six hours.

It was great. It was great. And it was cheap as hell. I mean, it usually isn't, but it was when we went. Anyways, and we get up there, and a buddy of mine has a couple cars and he needs brought back to Florida. And I said, well, I bought a Cadillac. I'll take that back.

and there's a pickup truck I'm going to buy I'll buy the truck bring back a two car trailer and I'll bring your cars back okay so we make a deal I get back to Florida I buy a truck on Friday from Fred buy the truck Friday get it registered on Saturday and everything and we left I'm going to guess Saturday night Sunday morning Monday afternoon

at Fredericksburg Virginia we're going down a hill a hill a hill right rear tire blows trailer goes into a skid ends up breaking the fucking trailer hitch the trailer ends up underneath the truck fucks the frame up snaps the drive shaft the back wheels of the truck around the front of the trailer I mean it was a mess didn't hit anything else just you know my truck has now totaled I've owned it two days it's gone trailer's still okay a couple little marks on but really no big deal Fred's trailer that I borrowed so now instead of renting me a U-Haul pickup that I could have just used

my slider thing, you know, what they call a Pinal Hicks, but I had it, and now U-Haul actually rents, it used to be they had a fixed ball. It was welded. Right. That's all you could haul. Holy shit that, you know, they had the roll-sized ball almost. Now, you can put any slider in in tow. And they

didn't tell me that. So I ended up with this fucking van, the little smallest van they had, it was like $400 just to get to my parents' house. Get there. Drop that off. My pickup, I had taken up to get painted. I said to the guy in the body shop, I said, listen, just get it so I can use it to go to Virginia and get this trailer. It's okay. And I said, make fucking sure the hitch is, you know, really secure because I'm bringing back this trailer. It's a two-car trailer that's heavy as fuck. It's okay. We get to Fredericksburg on Friday night. The lights don't work. So the dog and I go get a motel room. and on the way

the lights did start working but I'm like you know what I'm fucking tired we're gonna stay here so anyways we get up on Saturday and going up to Jersey Turnpike

tractor trailer I think raised it a little bit and then there was bumps and well anyways the trailer ended up doing the same shit boom boom boom ended up jackknifed

the back of the truck up on guardrails the trailer underneath the guardrails I had a brand new jack that was on the nose of the So I ended up picking up two days later, down by the fucking water. I couldn't believe I found it. And some body parts, brand new parts I had bought that had ejected from the truck or trailer. Now I've totaled the second truck out in nine days.

Now I get a brand new Ford diesel pickup in upstate New York. I didn't buy it. I rented it from Enterprise. It's 600 miles on it. I go get the trailer for the third time and the tow company had fucked up one of the tires on it and I forget what else but anyways I it was a real cluster fuck

they wouldn't let me take it because oh you gotta take the truck in the trailer at the same time I said I'm taking the truck this totaled you know it's going to fucking co-part they'll come get it well it's a real douchebags so I ended up having to spend a couple nights down there and of course you know Newark New Jersey right across the river from New York

city rooms are dirt cheap there you know it was only like 200 a night to stay to fucking Howard Johnson's yeah I wasn't happy and so I finally ended up get these cars brought him back down here I get back to Daytona and I'm supposed to take the truck back to New York I turn the corner of Daytona every light on the dash comes on it's got 3,600 miles on it it fucking died done a month later I was still getting text from the Ford store they couldn't figure out what was wrong with it their computer wouldn't match up to the truck computer. So,

fortunately, the good thing is my mother is now cancer-free. That's the good thing. The bad thing is I've got my side's like puffed up. I've got a liver thing. I've got to get up to the doctors. And I mentioned a little bit about this, but in 19,

August 23rd of 19, I'm riding back from our tow company to my house. I'm on my Harley. I'm sitting at a red light at Bellevue or yeah Bellevue and Nova Road in Daytona. I'm in the middle lane in Nova Road and this asshole lift driver rear ends me. Daytona Beach cop was sitting in a driveway of the 7-11 getting ready to pull out watch the whole thing happened right he thought I was dead he called in as a probable fatality figured the guy was doing at least 40 and he hit me you know a fucking

rear end you on a Harley no helmet um it blew seven or eight different and my neck, broke my left foot. I was in a boot on crutches for six months. And my right hip and fucked out my short-term memory. I mean, my long-term memory is fine. I can remember shit from when I was a kid, but sometimes you tell me something

in 12 minutes from now, I can't remember it. I guess it bruised my brain. So now, Florida law works this way. If you get hit by a lift driver, if they have a passenger in a car you can get this much if they don't have or excuse me if you're a passenger you can get this much uh in my case the guy needed to be on the app well when he gets out of the car the first thing he tells the daytona beach cop oh my god i'm so sorry i was looking at my phone to see if somebody needed a ride and then lift came back and said well we don't think he was on the app so we don't think we should

have to pay. So my attorney said that July 17th, we were supposed to go to court in just a couple weeks. Now they gave them another continuance and on the grounds that they want to depose the cop and the EMS personnel and they also want me to go to their doctor. I said, wait a minute. They've had four fucking years to do this. Why are we waiting?

And my lawyer went and argued, but the judge saw it lifts way. right there's fucking lift corporates i've tell everybody boycott those bastards don't get a you know don't get a lift ride that's crazy i mean uh that's really put me in a bad spot i lost at that whole deal going up you know uh with my mother and stuff was it was thousands literally it was i forget i think i quit counting at 12 grand that i was out gone never you know never going to see that again and uh it's it's been rough and then i lost my home to two hurricanes last year gone I mean there's and I don't know if you if you realize it or not but being that you've been in the mortgage business I would

think you would and I don't know how how long it was when you dealt with insurance here but if you go buy homeowners insurance in Florida it's so expensive now if you have what do we figure more than like 18 years to pay on your house, it's like paying a double mortgage. So if you go over 18 years, the insurance company is still ahead. If you go under 18 years, yeah, under 18 years and have a claim, then you might be okay. But in other words, it's like having a second mortgage.

The insurance is so expensive. That's why a lot of people don't have it, especially living in Daytona. You know what I mean? You go to the water. You know, it's fucking ridiculous. there was a lady from I think Naples

her house I think was the value that like say $2.50 you know it wasn't any million dollar home or something and her insurance was $4,200 a month

I said how the fuck does she afford that? That's ridiculous you know three or four years that she could pay for a house right and a lady's like I don't know but that's what she's paying. I mean, it makes no sense to me. You know, and it's the same thing like back with my situation with Lyft. The guy only had a car because of Lyft,

so I figured they're responsible anyways because he had a, it was a Hertz rental car. Well, Hertz went out of business. So they already put $10,000 in. State Farm put money in, and I'm not sure how they're, you know, if that's Hertz's insurance company or his insurance, I'm most positive how that happened.

Probably his insurance, well, anyway. Yeah, so State Farm did put some money in, you know, so the lawyer's collected some, but all that he's collected is already gone, you know, for hospital bills and stuff. And we went to mediation last August, and that didn't pan out. And I did leave the end of the whole thing when I got out in New York, imagine this.

I go in the car business with somebody else. in new york and i get uh i know their boglander called credit acceptance corporation and their deal used to be used to have to pay like 10 or 20 000 and you had to go to their school in chicago and this and that well they they cut all that out but you still have to have i forget the terminology they used but you had to have pool you had to have the initial pool of 200 deals and once you hit that 200 mark you get a check for that then you start getting quarterly checks okay you get to 175 cars and it becomes tougher to get them to approve them you know they start getting a little but we got to 178 cars or no excuse i think about 187 13 short and his wife

god rest his soul she's passed to her and i had a disagreement i'll i'll put it that way and we had a parting of ways and i came back to florida under the assumption that I get paid. My dad and him are still friends, too. We still talk, but he swears uphill and downhill. And they got to the 200. CAC said,

oh, you had too many deals that didn't pay so you don't get a check. Bullshit. You know, when the guy was here to sell me on your deal, the smallest check anybody got was 16,000, 18,000.

So again, I had, you know, another thing where I thought, dumped a bunch of time and energy into a, something that just didn't pay. Right. Well, right. And I'm, you know, I'm looking at it as, as, uh, as, uh, retirement money. You know what I mean? So, um, yeah, it's been rough. It's as,

I mean, now it's, I went from the perrivial feast of famine, you know, backwards. And I'm not getting any fucking younger, you know. So yeah, it's, it's tough. That's, um, and, and I'm hoping that that lift, you know, ends up having to pay out. And that takes care of me, because, you know and now I'm renting not owning and and you know I assumed that this was going to be done my lawyer swore uphill and downhill July that's it that's it but I was gonna put a matter of fact one of my friends was like oh you need to put one of those what do they call it go fund me things or something I said I can't beg people for fucking money you know I

people are going to go you got money we know you what you do is all you know but i said you know you start thinking about it and and i've been lucky that i didn't go to prison but how much money that should have been mine isn't mine the drug money i'm not going to say you know that's both of that ended up going back out you know when girls fucking around you know stupid shit that i and you know you you get used to and I didn't understand this until recently you take let's say an NBA basketball player that makes you know not a not a high end but let's just say a lower end guy that's making four million a year and he plays for 10 years he retires in two years half of those guys are broke I don't understand you know because they came out of the hood and they didn't have shit

And then they end up, you know, they, they make all that money, but they spend it faster than they make it. I think that's always, because if we think it's going to always come. Yeah, you make easy money, you spend it very quickly thinking, oh, I can always make more, but, you know, you had a couple of good runs. Doesn't mean it's going to last your whole lifetime. Doesn't you mean your money's always going to come easy to you, which is kind of like, you know, me and this whole thing is that, you know, I have these conversations with my wife. I'm like, yeah, listen, we need to do this and do this and do this. And I'm, you know, it's like I'm willing to sacrifice. I'm willing to, I'm willing to go, you know, like when my lease is up here at some point,

like I figure we'll sign it on the lease, but at some point I said, the next thing we do when I get off probation, we got to find some place and we got to buy someplace. And I'm like, and I don't give a shit if it's a fucking single wide trailer that's 1930 single wide trailer on a piece of land that I can slowly build on or slowly, it has to be it has to be a situation that I can get paid off by the time I'm 65 or 70 because the truth is I don't have any retirement like I don't know what social I'll probably get the minimum social security because I've always worked for myself I've always paid taxes but paying oh you did you were

smart enough to do that well yeah I paid my your like so if you own but I've also almost always worked for myself right so it's not like I paid a ton of money into social security or anything so it's not like I'm getting a big check like like you're going to going to get the maximum social security, which is still nothing. Because social security is based on you becoming 65 or 67 years old and owning your own home. I don't own my own home. So it's the American dream if you plugged into the American dream. But if you've been a derelict and a scumbag your whole life like I have and been in and out of prison, well, not in and out, in prison and back out. And, you know, not done the right thing with your money, then guess what? When you get to be

67 years old and go to retire you're fucked you're fucked right nobody and nobody has any sympathy for you because they're like well you were a douchebag your whole life and you know you had tough break right you had all the fun right and this and that and you know and that's how uh you know I kind of look at it that way but by the same token you know I I've done a lot of good things for people too along the way oh I listen I look at it that way because I understand that's that's the society you know construct right but when you're the scumbag then you look then you're like hey hey hey hey I get it and I hear you but I have to figure out how to fix this for me like I got to figure out what to do correctly to fix this because I understand yeah tough shit but tough shit doesn't

mean anything when you're the guy that has to try and figure out like how long can you work right now I think oh I can work forever no no when you're in your 60s and 70s and already things are slowing down things are hurting like bro I wake up I take fucking three I'd be proffron like if I don't take them I know it during the day no shit you know I know when my

my back hurts and this hurts and your knee and your your body aches and you know little things like you already start to know my eyes I have problems with my eyes I have a you know I have a stigmatism and you know my eyes are you know not what's going on

and you know I'm forgetful well like there's all kinds of shit that's going on The memory is the worst. Fucking horrible. Well, at least I have an excuse. You know, I got a fucking bruise. You know, and I mean, I used to be as sharp as attack. You tell me something I'm not going to forget.

Right. Like the proverbial elephant. And now, like I said, I can remember shit from when I was a kid. Right. But something that maybe happened two days ago, I can't remember. I do that all the time. I'm having a conversation. Now I'll ask my wife something twice.

And she'll go, I just told you. this and she'll look at me like you're not even paying attention and I'm thinking no I was paying attention I just don't remember what happened three minutes ago I can't yeah you it's like uh what I want to say you you people want to think that you're like zoned out yeah you're not listening to you're being a jerk or something it's like right and it's like no I'm really I just you know my I'm genuinely interested in the conversation I just can't remember that your buddy's name you know you fucking said 70 names i can't remember any of them um so anyway do you remember rodney though i remember rodney dangerfield that guy but you don't remember gary tap but you remember

rodney danger but i don't need to know gary right and you know i mean i hope he's still around but you got to remember at that time so that's uh what do we say 99 um i think gary was in his 60s at that time so you know if you know hopefully he's still alive but i mean he's got to be 85 maybe 90 you know i mean my dad's 84 just turned 84 um i was going to say uh so you know my story right like you know when i took off so i took off on the room with that chick uh becky so becky worked for a law firm in los vegas rodney dangerfield was that her the lawyer she worked for there. Rodney Dangerfield was his lawyer. So he would call

up. This was before he died, obviously. He would call up and she said, he sounds just like that. He was like, hey, this is Rodney Dangerfield. I'm calling for Jimmy. And they'd be like, and she'd be like, okay, hold on. She said he was exactly like he. And I get no respect.

Yeah. He was hilarious. The thing like I, you know, I just always picture Gary because I remember Rodney Dangerfield doing it with those, those freaking, And whatever you call. Elastic. There's elastic.

Yeah. You know. Yeah. Not latex. Like leisure pants. I always think it's kind of a leisure suit. There you go. Leisure suit.

Polyester. Polyester. Yeah. Polyester stretch pants. And the fucking colors, dude. I, you know, I can remember like peach colored pants with a, you know, a canary yellow shirt or something. I'm like, are you going to play fucking golf?

He was great in Caddyshack and Olds, was it. not old was it old school what was the one where where he or no back to school back to school he goes back to college right right right that's what i was going to say back school that he was phenomenal and that just funny as hell that's you know and and uh i said uh yeah i said i said i'm looking through uh what do you call it brett's credits you know for the shit that he's done the producer that i know right and uh uh of course like i said him and him and steve did a lot of shit you know that wasn't even up to the tv show getting in but they uh when we were talking on the phone to the guy said oh i i was looking

at your uh what how did i put it i think i used a fucked up word like stats or something right and he goes what do you mean stats and i think that's what he'd say and i said okay not stats i said uh you know the bullshit that they say about people on on google and he's like oh what's in in there now. And I said, well, you know, the guy that's, you know, claims that and I could be wrong about the numbers, but I don't want to be close, that you were given $7 million for the movie project and you spent maybe two. And the guy, you know, was trying to sue you to get money back. And he's like, fuck that guy. You know, it doesn't matter what it costs. You know, I told him how much it was costing him. It doesn't matter what

it costs me. Right. And I never thought about it that way. And I mean, he was really quick to say fuck him you know because and if you think about it if you tell somebody i'm going to make this movie for you but i need seven million dollars if it only costs me a million to make it well well it's the same thing we say about the uh your interest rate i tell you your your interest rate's 12 percent but your interest rate is really seven seven no seven point one it's lower so i charge you eight but i get yield spread on the back right well that you were the same thing with the I think I have fun of the cars. Right.

But you were okay with eight. That's bullshit. You said seven point, but you were okay with eight. Like if you were, if eight was too high or you were not okay with eight, you would have said, fuck you,

you got to do better than that. I'm not paying eight. I can't, my buddy Jimmy can do better. I can go to this other place or I'll call my bank. You could have done all those things. Go. I'm charging you eight.

Why? Because I get yield spread between the 7.1 and the eight. And New York. And in, what was it, 80, you know, in the early 80s. So you could, I think the max back, I believe it or not, was like 26%, 27%, it was fucking stupid. Yeah, people are complaining about mortgages now that they have a, it's 5%. Five percent, what are you talking about? It used to be fucking 18%.

When I, in the 80s, during the savings alone crisis, it was fucking 14, 15, 12%. you know but you got somebody with good credit back then if i remember right like 18% was what they got and you know i'd have to fight like hell to get one point on them meanwhile the guy that you know was happy i got him bought you know when because i did some f and i stuff too you know the guy that the guy that uh you got bought and he's paying you know you got him bought it say 24% which is you know ridiculous but you know you hit him at 27 so you make that spread you know um they don't bitch right because they're happy you yeah it's just like going back to the bold business with it with

the cars you know at the car dealership i used to tell people when they'd come into buy a car they'd say uh what all do i need well you do need some documentation you got to have a water bill i mean there was a couple things that they had to have you they had to prove that you know basically you existed and you know but i used they should tell them you know can you they call and they say can you really tell me what i really really need to qualify and i said yeah bathroom you got a mirror right yeah in the bathroom right yeah yeah well run in there and breathe on it let me know if it fogs up well of course it's gonna fine okay then you know i can get you done that's and and it wasn't illegal i wasn't i wasn't doing anything wrong you know i mean you're

you're you're sometimes stretching things but you're not i mean i wasn't whiting shit out yeah well the same thing when i used to say you know if you had a pulse you i was gonna get you approved. Right. Not that, not the thing. I just got to walk it. Now, I'm going to forge a document. I'm going to make sure you get approved. Right, right. No, I get it. The one thing that I didn't understand it, I actually have watched it like four times

that I wanted to ask you. So, just so it's clear in my head, you got social security numbers from kids that were under a year old. No, I went to social security

and convince them to issue me. social security numbers to children that didn't exist. Oh, the kid didn't even exist. Didn't even exist. So I would go in, I'd say, hey, my daughter, here's the birth certificate for my daughter. She's 11 months old. And here's her shot record because they need to make sure she still is alive. And then they would go on the computer and they'd go, hold on.

They'd pull our name up and they go, oh, wow, you're right. A social security number has never been issued to this, to this 11 month old. to this person with this date of birth. And they go, okay, and we can tell she's alive, even though you didn't bring the child in, but if she's under 12 months old, you don't have to. Where did you get the birth certificate of them? I made the birth certificate.

I ordered the security paper. You know, if you make a copy of it, it says void if copied. Right. So you order the security paper. I got a template from my, well, from a real birth certificate. So I had the blank template. So you just run it through. You use the security paper to print out

a blank certificate, you get a seal, I would get an embossed seal from the South Carolina Vital Statistics Department, whatever. I don't go to South Carolina, obviously. I go to another state. They don't know what the county certificate looks like.

Right. And then they always had like a red number at the bottom, right? You know, a red like 07705, you know, and it always bleeds through. Right. So you have to print that out, you know, on that. over a couple of times it bleeds through and then you've got the seal and of course it's you know it's signed you fold it up a few times you go in there you go oh i've got this i've got this and they look at it and they go how did you got record you do the same thing just forged them i just

i hand forged those because that's just a piece of paper that's printed that the doctor signs well that was the same thing when they were raising hell about the covid vaccine i had and i didn't realize that i could have done anything with i i don't you know but i guess people were actually for those cards saying that you got your shot. Right. Anybody could fucking... Make those cards. Yeah, you print them out and sign them.

I'm like, there's no database. There's no database. Right. I had a whole stack of them. I don't remember how to hell I ended up with them, but I had a whole stack of those. I would go in. They'd look at the kid's number or at Ken's information. They'd check to make sure that your driver's license that you were who you said you were.

Like they put your information and your social security number was issued. And then they would issue the new social security number under you. You, as the father, had this child provide the documents, has an 11-month-old girl. And keep in mind, once I would start to go into the DMV and get driver's licenses and other people's names, now they're not even being pulled under Matthew Cox. They're being pulled under, you know, Scott Smith or John, you know, Thompson or Bill, whatever. So these homeless guys that I'm now impersonating have three kids, four kids, two kids. Now, didn't you ever, I mean, what would happen if one of those homeless people, you took their IDs if they died? Yeah, I mean, that was always my concern was I was always trying to figure out how, what I did was I started melding.

First of all, I did multiple things. One, I figured out how to just go in to an attorney, you pay him $1,500 bucks, he'll change your name. So I've stolen your ID, I changed your name. Right. Under the new name, I would get a social security number issued to a child that doesn't exist. And then I would use that social security number to get an ID in that new name. So really, I'm a completely different person. Right.

Now. And you're using all legit docs because the guy, the lawyer gave me the document showing that the name has been changed based on this birth certificate. So I can go into another state saying, hey, here's my original birth certificate, but I had my name changed. Here is my social security number. issued under that name because I went to obviously I went to social security they changed the name on my social security number but really it's that

11 month old boy's name child that doesn't exist and they'd use that and they'd give me an ID so now I've got an ID and a name that doesn't exist I've completely manufactured this ID and then would that with that ID then you

would get the I could get up I could go get I could open up credit cards I could get a mortgage I could open bank accounts. You could do anything. Wow. And you, so that all started really just from that white out that day? Yeah, all that progressively just got worse and worse and worse.

And I got more and more creative and kept getting, kept getting away with things and became emboldened by it and kept just, you know, you just start thinking you're untouchable. Yeah. That's a fact. Well, you know, the back with the cops thing when I got popped, you know, I was like, They had warned me, literally one of the deputies had gone to one of my friends and said, you need to tell him, he needs to stop. He's being watched. Not once, a couple times.

Right. And, you know, my mother and, you know, like a fucking dummy, you know, I thought, well, you know. I hear you. It ain't going to happen to me. So, you know, but I mean, the upshot is, yeah, I did. go sit for whatever you know i think it was less than 30 days i mean i don't i don't think i two and a half three weeks maybe three and a half weeks whatever it was i know it was less than 30 days because i remember watching uh i was just before the first of the year i got a rest

on the 29th to december and i was out for the super bowl which i believe is in january i'm almost positive i know i watched excuse me i think only one weekend and maybe two weekends of football playoffs. So it wasn't, you know, it wasn't out of pleasant experience. Don't get me wrong. It's not like something I recommend for anybody. It wasn't enjoying it. Right.

You do get institutionalized quick, though. I mean, even in that short amount of time, I had gotten used to it. Right. It was like, okay, I got to get up a certain time. I go to bed a certain time. You know, whatever. I mean, the lights are going to go off. I can't turn them back on.

Right. You know, I've got to wait for these morons to. turn them on and you had your little emergency buzzer if something happened during you buzz it you know having the cardiac issues I did worry you know what the fuck if something happens you're gonna be dead right you know they're not going to take care of you so what do you think of my whole story it's good I I I appreciate you come by um is there anything else you want to go over or we're good you feel pretty good I think I feel pretty good all right yeah no

I think I feel pretty good. Yeah, other than, other than, you know, tell everybody not to use that fucking lift company. Don't use, don't use that live company. Don't use that live company until they pay my ass. All right. You know, they're, that's really got me fucking mad. I mean, you know, because I counted on, I'll be honest with you, I counted, okay, December or, yeah, December, July 17th, we go to court. They've got, I think it's seven business days to get money from them to my lawyer.

that my lawyer's got i think it's 30 days because he plays games too you know and now my lawyer i used to write holly's with him 30 years ago and it's actually his partner because he said listen i i'm a defense lawyer you know he says i can do it but but mark he's you know he does right whatever he fucking call it ambulance chase or whatever but anyways i i uh i said okay you know so i like i said i'm using a friend and all that but mark told me he said i guarantee you July 17th is it and and I said well I hope that it's better than your other guarantees because I need neck surgery they've gone back and forth about that the doctor says well I'm not sure there's enough money at the lawyers already to be sure I get paid right they're sending

a bill for 125 133 something like that no I take that back it's just over 100 but guess what the real bill is like 303 2000 so which is okay in a way because 66% of that 60,000 is mine right you know but if you gave him the fucking real amount I could have this shit and then again now I don't know if I wanted I said I'd never let him cut my neck but I it gets mad it gets so bad like driving over here especially holding this deal my fingers will do this my toes will curl up and shit that's from the from the discs in my neck and the I had to remind my lawyer of a any, you know, I said, listen, you let that bitch when we went to mediation kept saying

pre-existing. I said, this shit's not pre-existing. I said, I had problems between my shoulder blades and problems with my lower back, but my neck was fine. I said, there was a goddamn MRI to prove it. Really? How come we don't have it? I said, you do have it? Oh, I don't remember, you know, so I go and get him another one when I bring it to the office, the girls like, oh, we already have this. I said, well, what the fuck? I said, that's what I covered with him before. So, anyway, as I said, I hope you do better with this than you did that, you know. It worries you because it's like, you know, it's my life. Yeah. You know, and I mean, I fully expected, everybody has told me, except for my lawyer, but, you know, most people are figuring

that I'll end up with around 700,000, you know, my share when all the smoke and dust settles, which isn't really that much money anymore, you know, it really isn't. Um, I've, got a I've been looking at some property I found uh what the hell was five acres imagine this for 15,000 no water no electric you know just raw land yeah and it's out in the country a little bit but okay I'm good with that so we get there and I have a friend of mine she wants to land too and she's like why don't we buy it together and we'll split I said okay you know and I said I she goes you can't even have three acres I'll just take two I said okay that's fine so we go and put the deposit and everything and we get out there

I put a deposit site unseen and we get out there and she says it's the property straight ahead I said okay so it's the trees in this field well I think so well then the neighbor comes out she's like no no that's not for sale it's next door to me so I go oh holy fuck this even better there's water there's electric yeah yeah yeah okay I said get that fucking shit hammered through she calls a realtor she's doing with oh that's not the property I told you it's at the end and she says wait a minute the neighbor says it can't be because she owns this and the people with the farm over here with the horses, cows, where the fuck they got

they own, you know, this and this, and she goes, well, no, there's a right-of-way across there. But it's going to cost by the time we had gotten done, some of it's, what do they call it, wetlands, designated wetlands.

Anyway, bottom line, it would have cost us over 100 grand just to put a fucking road in to get to the property. Right. It's not worth it. You know, I mean, I can buy I can buy right around the corner and this was on a dirt road and the main dirt road that gets to it down here

right in the corner I can buy a house on five acres of property. A whole house I can buy for 190. Why am I going to spend right? You know, over 100 for raw property. Which is probably what's still available. Yeah. Yeah. And you know and then the fucking realtor

you know they're crooks too they were trying to get me to buy some other property it was like 94,000 or something and it was cheap, you know, less than what they want for a lot of it. Anyway, landlocked. Well, listen, I appreciate it. Let's wrap it up. Yes, sir.

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