Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Skinny Joey Wants Me Dead! 😬

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

Skinny Joey Wants Me Dead! 😬

Joey Merlino put a hit out on me. To tell everybody he was a big movie director and he would ask for your paperwork like, I'm gonna make a movie when you get out and set you up and tell on you. When Joey said all of that, I feel like you put a target on my back. I told the truth. What I said was true. In the six minutes or seven minutes that we spoke or... Oh, it was a while. Now keep in mind, 95% of the conversation was just him screaming.

I mean, that's what he's doing. He's running down the street. I mean, it was... I mean, it was insanity, bro. It was insane. And so once again, you made the right call by not posting the video of us, which honestly, you know, me or discussing Joey Merlino. So, you know, we had a discussion. I didn't, you know, what's so funny about it is, like I don't even feel like I.

I was out of line. I thought I was, I was just being honest. I, they insulted them a little bit, a little bit. Okay. I couldn't help it to use it. I'm sorry. Insulted. Yeah. So, um, yeah, but I mean, like I was, you know, I felt like I was being honest like that, you know, and what people were most upset about was that I said that I sat at the same table with them, which, you know, and I felt like I was pretty clear. I sat at lunch or might have been dinner lunch or dinner with merlino and a couple other guys merlino did not know that i cooperated and guys like you would have never stop bro i was with a guy that merlino knows and so merlino waved us over and i was actually going to go sit somewhere else and the guy goes

no he's you're good come on come with me so i go over there and i sit down him. I didn't say two words to him. I just ate, but I just listened to him complained the whole fucking time. And I remember thinking, God, this guy's miserable. Like, you know, and then of course, everybody always says, of course, he's miserable. These are the comments I get as a result of this whole thing. I'm just going off of the comments. Of course, he's miserable. He, he's surrounded by rats and chomos. Right. Your hero, Merlino, was at a prison with rats and and chomos doesn't say much for him but and i got a bunch of other guys that would say stuff to me about me in the comments like you're a rat you were you were in a protective custody low it wasn't

a protective custody low but let's assume it was a protective custody low merlino was in the low now i'm not saying he needed to be in protective custody but obviously it wasn't a protective custody low not listen almost every low not almost ever late that's wrong every single low in the federal system is filled with people that cooperated and um you know and chose so it's filled with those mixed in with those guys are people high profile guys um you know and then other guys that maybe they they went to trial or they're perfectly you know they get mixed in there but they're low they're they're like nonviolent guys they're close to home and they put them there because most people at a load don't want any trouble so why does it why is that though why do they mix them in

with those like i mean joe's never been convicted well i think the armored car robbery but i don't know if that would classify him as like a violent guy i mean so what would make him land in that prison i don't i don't know well i think what one i think is probably because he obviously he he's never cooperated that's you know so i would say he was there specifically because he was high profile and you know that's and it was probably a safe prison to put him at right like he probably doesn't know too many people although there were a bunch of mobsters there you know but they they were typically in their in their 60s and merlino at this point was in his mid 50s early early to the mid 50s when I was there and the other guys these guys were probably in their 60s early 60s

some of them were probably maybe even in their 70s so I don't you know I think it was probably high profile and that's why they put him there right you know they probably like at that time they were beefing with New York or anything last not like they had anything like along those lines to worry about at least not nothing that made uh you know the press I don't know what went on behind closed doors no there you know all the all the other mob officers that were there were all New York guys. But, you know, and what would happen, what was funny about that is these guys, I want to say it was every, might have been every Sunday or something, they would get together in one of the units and have like a meal, right? You know,

Merlina was never invited to those meals. Like, they were polite to him. But the consensus was that this guy was a young hothead who didn't. want to wait his turn and basically took out hits on people and forced his way you know to become the honestly from my my understanding is the the the kind of unofficial you know leader of the philadelphia mob because like was he ever was there ever a vote would they ever put him in there or did he just basically seize control and really sees control but even then for the majority of the time that he was you know in you know that life he was incarcerated there wasn't a 20 years or 15 years or 10 years that he was out running things um well and i think too like to your point on that he he kind of at some point i think any mob boss or a boss of a family does have to seize control um it's still like new york is a little different because they have to it's goes to a commission. So like just say, for instance, when Paul Castellano got taken out,

Gotti was the favorite to be boss, but it still had to be okay by the other families. I'm not sure of how that works in Philly, but I mean, if somebody's there, if they're poised to do it, it's just easier to say, yeah, that's, you know, you do it. And I'm not saying that's how it happened, but, you know, when, when Nikki Scarfo finally got arrested, there was the war between him and Stanford, then Ralph's Talley, then, you know, it's, just kind of he strategically kind of slid in there and i think he was he was respected i mean you know i don't think there was anybody really at that time to challenge him for it in my opinion anyway right um yeah i i think that probably that's probably what you know obviously

probably what happened was obviously i don't know if i know about him taking too many hits out on people i mean i know it's it's alleged that he did try to kill nicky scarfo's son was never proven but it's you know that's the rumor um a lot of it was really just you know a lot of war between them i don't know that he took out like a boss together basically everybody got arrested and he just moved up right so i think i i do know that i mean i was and i only know this from something that somebody contacted me and told me that you know i sent me an article with this guy's brother was murdered and merlino was supposedly the guy that they looked at for the murder.

But he was never found guilty, you know, whether he did it himself or took a hit out or, you know, the guy has certain theories. But like I said, there were, and there's articles about it, you know, there's the, about the murder. And Merlino's name is mentioned, but, you know, he was, he's never been indicted. So I don't, you know, I don't want to, I don't know enough about it other than what the article said. And, you know, I don't want to get into it. But I think that, you know, guys in that position do tend to say, hey, that guy's got to go.

But, you know, or sometimes maybe people just know that you're having an issue with that person and they take it upon themselves to take care of it. I don't know. That's kind of why we're here today. So, exactly. So listen, I got a ton, a ton of backlash in the comment section. Oh, yeah. And I don't even know, you know, I don't even know how I can really even say backlash. Like, I mean, is backlash, you know, in the comment section, like, isn't.

not like it keeps me up at night typically when people are yelling at me and you know saying horrible things and and you know a lot of honest things um you know and saying things you know about me it always kills me like you know the you lying rat no no I told the truth rat maybe but I'm honest the guy who was lying was the guy that was lying to the authorities you know so you know what what ends up happening is you get all these people or I got all these people that are just smashing me. Like, I've never had so much hate in a fucking video in my life.

Oh, it was a lot. It was a lot. Um, you got somebody slapped on you. Yeah, I was about to say he's like just two rats talking. I'm like, you know, not that I have anything against you for doing what you did, but like I haven't rat. I was never involved in anything like that. I don't even know anything to tell anybody.

Yeah. Somebody even said that in one of the videos about my story. Like, if he's, if he only done or if he only got that, he must have talked. I'm like, talked on what? what on who like what listen they say all kinds i you know how many how many these guys are saying would say stuff like um you you know they they would say stuff like oh uh cox rat cox sent you know people to prison for thousands of years or you know just so he could get out of a few years it's like first of all i got out of 12 years secondly i didn't send anybody to prison one guy

got an extra six months on his sentence one and he didn't even do that six months by the way Because COVID hit, he just got, they let them out of jail, like 10 years early. So I didn't give anybody an extra time. And but, but the person that I did cooperate against, guess what? He was robbing old people. He was stealing people's pension fund. And what always kills me is like, if your mother had lost three million dollars in a Ponzi scheme and I could tell you where the money was buried, you'd be begging me to cooperate. Oh yeah.

Yeah. You know, they, but they, you know, it's so, it's such so simple and so easy to just say, oh, you're a. Rat, my favorite is, don't do the crime unless you could do the time. Like, shut up, bro. Just go back to your fucking, your job at fucking Walmart. And stop, stop acting like you're a gangster. I know it sounds good.

It's cute. It's a cute saying. I love it. But, so here's what happened. Typically, these guys say horrible things. And I don't think anything of it. No big deal. But Merlino, then...

um then comments on the bit about the video he comments about you and i talking right like um i know he i don't know if he referenced me i know he referenced you no no not in prison but i mean i think it was the kind was the video we were on oh yeah yeah yeah um so i'm not greenlit as far as i know no he ends up saying um and you know it'd be great if colby cut in the part where he says it right here yeah i'll have to grab that and have him say where he's like what is he called i i forget what he says he calls me um you know he calls me something um oh yeah uh uh look at him he looked like a girl i never sat with that motherfucker uh what does he say he says something about um he probably got raped in prison you know which honestly is not funny like like no offense people get raped

in prison not at colman you know not at the not at the low but you know it does happen they got the I don't even know who he is. He said he was in Coleman with me. Some fucking... Matthew Cox. Yeah, some fucking, yeah. I said, you see, what is? He looks like a fucking girl.

He probably got raped in there. You know what he's to do? He's to tell everybody he was a big movie director. So, you know, I don't know why that, why anybody would find that funny. But you do look strikingly different from that mugshot that he shows to now. Like, I don't, I can't even picture you looking like that. I don't even understand why he said I look like a woman. I mean, women are attractive.

you think he's attracted to me he did do a lot of time i'm just saying it was an odd thing to say regardless i'm back now okay so regardless i'm just fucking with you joey bro i'm just i'm just fucking with you it's not a big relax it's all fun and game you're gonna be on youtube you can have have to have a thick skin ah yes yes you do it comes with some right some hair and that's what all these guys that are like you know oh he's still running the the philadelphia him up stop it bro he's not running running anything he's retired he's not fucking with any of that he's he's probably thrilled he didn't have to spend the rest of his life in prison yeah i mean to be somebody that was the status that he was um and let's be honest in that world 13 years i think

total is not a ton of time it's more than i think the average person wants to do but to be at the status that he was involved in everything that he was that's pretty good and to now seemingly kind of step away from it all and not have to be yeah yeah and be able to where's he palm beach or uh book on and back and forth from there to to philly and i mean seems like he's living a pretty good life how he's how he's funding it i can't imagine um just at the super bowl of the weekend those tickets don't uh come very cheap you can't find them on craigs list uh so all right so what ends up happening is he ends up saying one he says i'm lying that i was never sat at the table with which i did and that's

fine you know you can say that i understand for his to look like the cool guy in front of all of his his fans then he doesn't want to admit that he sat at a table but the truth is i never said he knew he didn't know but i did sit at the table with him multiple times so i think of a table are we talking because when you say this i'm thinking it's shawshank redemption big table oh no no four like four people okay those tables sit four people okay you know you know They're made of, what is that? They're formica, you know, they're beat to hell, formica tables with the, the chairs are welded on. You know, they're welded on little chairs that swivel a little, just a little swivel in them.

They got a little plastic, you know, it's plastic back and butt and you sit down and, you know, you eat your food. You know, never had a conversation with them. I never said we were buddies. So, you know, sat with them, I think once that one time and then I'd say maybe twice. and then a couple of times we were sitting down eating and he came over and sat because he thinks I'm okay yeah so you know never said he knowingly sat with you know sat with you know sat with me knowing I cooperated so you two never really had a what you would consider a full blown conversation hey how you doing where you been where you I think the most I did was you know

I was introduced he nodded to me I'm nodded back and I just started eating you know I was disinterested I'm not interested in hanging out with this guy I'm not or really any buddy like honestly i'm not super friendly i mean i'm polite i'm very polite but i'm not going out of my way to be to make friends or anything i have my own little routine that's it but here's what happens once merlino comes out and he says oh i never sat with this guy then he says i i called you know he called somebody to see who i was so he immediately made one phone call to a guy that we both know which is odd since you don't know me you call the one person we both know and then that guy says oh here's who this guy is and of course he gets that wrong too he says that i'm

walking around saying i was a producer i never said i was a producer anyway i was writing true crime stories for about five or five to seven years well wait a minute no that's not true there's probably about nine eight or nine years i i wrote true crime stories everybody knew who i was they knew what i had done they knew you know i'm i'm an infamous con man nobody thinks i was a producer that's not a thing you know so Have the American Greed aired at this time? Oh, American Greed had already aired. It aired in 2009.

Okay. So it's pretty well known who you are, what you're in there for. Everybody knows. And I've gotten guys in Rolling Stone magazine and, you know, different articles. And so, you know, I've got books that are published. Guys are walking around with my books. So, like, nobody thinks I'm a producer. I've never said I was a producer.

I wouldn't even know how to pull that off. I don't even know what I'm in positive, what a producer does. I'm about to say, if you're a producer, you should have your own movie out, but I can say that. Thank you. That hurt. So anyway, so then he says, oh, this guy was pretending to do this, pretending to do that. So he could go tell on people. And that's not what I've never told on one person that I ever wrote an article on or never cooperated against anybody I ever wrote a story on. So none of that's true. But, you know, that's just what they do. They run their mouth. So people run their mouths about stuff they don't know. I mean, that's just inmates in general. But here's where it gets interesting. Because he says all of that stuff, he gets. his little fan base i shouldn't say a little bit he gets his fan base there's probably not a little bit it seems like a big fan base actually so he gets his fan base pumped up and they come they attack me right they start leaving messages they start i end and a lot of them are filled with hate right

and i've had people say stuff before in the comment section right you know you're a piece of garbage you should be uh you should be killed somebody should kill you know very few and far in between I typically only get the, oh, you're a rat, you know, that kind of stuff. I typically only get those kinds of things, like, as if that's going to hurt my, you know, hurt my feelings. So, but then I got hit up by, on Instagram by a guy named Logan. And I don't think that's really his name. He's definitely not a Logan. He's obviously a Tony or an Anthony or a Joey.

And Logan left me a message. message says open your veins is that by the way horrible grammar clearly I'm going to say he's from Philadelphia might be newer

and I'll explain why I think this so he said no punctuation I mean really the the education system in this country so says open your veins in your bathtub

pussy fucking rat your father despises you my father's deceased and hopes you raise the rate yourself burn for eternity with your fucking dirty ass grandma fucking mick pussy i'm norwegian by the way not and i told him this by the way so anyway then he comes back and he writes this over and over again you can see if you can see where he says raise the rate raise the rate what is that what is that i found that out this is what's interesting i he says raise

the rate raise the fucking the rate fucking rat raise the rate raise the rate raise the rate and he says over that raise the rate raise the rate raise the rate and then he he included it kept on raise the rate raise the rate and then he included a statistic like a screen a screenshot that he he um left which i thought was interesting it's the suicide rate uh that okay that yeah suicide rate 2021 was 14.04 per 100,000 individuals. I'm not even positive what that means, but whatever. So he's saying slit your wrists and raise the rate of suicides. Now, and then it keeps going, raise the rate, raise the rate, raise the rate fucking rat. Um, raise the rate, raise the like it keeps going going then he calls me uh the new finuchio fanook finook oh then he said i'll

fuck your wife till she smiles and send your faggot ass a video oh so he's going to record himself okay man i don't think this gentleman cares for you honestly i've had worse i mean i am really yeah i had a guy that used to write me less when I was in when I was locked up I had a guy one time after American Greed uh aired he wrote me this nasty letter that said that I had to like I did that first he said it the letter said it was from a law firm but it was a law firm that was in a movie with Chevy Chase right it was whatever he had some law firm and it was that was the name of the law firm so the guy then came back and said it was a did you see um was it was a was a was a was a

Fletch? Fletch. Yeah, I've seen it. I can't remember what the law firm was. Right. So there's a law firm there and he uses the law firm. So then the guy goes on to tell me what a piece of garbage I am. No, what he didn't start.

First he starts by saying he's going to, he's representing me. He's hired this law firm has been hired to represent me. And I'm, and I'm looking at it. It's like, what is this? Like it's just, and it was by the same thing, horrible grammar. So the, it's, they're going to represent me. And it goes on and on. They've already spoken with the judge.

They've spoken with a district attorney. There are no district attorneys in the federal system. It's their U.S. attorneys or assistant U.S. attorneys. So he goes on and says he spoke with the judge and they've got my release is pending and they're going to have me released. Okay. So he goes on and on. Then he talks about how horrible it must be for me to be in there to have to do everything

that I'm told to do, that I have to eat the food that probably has semen and toenails in it. I mean, he goes on and on. Then he starts telling me that I look like a monkey. And I'll never forget what he sees it. But I wouldn't be too upset about that. He's lots of people look like monkeys. And I thought, okay. That's funny.

I read the letter. I put it. I save it because I thought, hey, my first hate mail. That's a keeper. That is. That's up there with the first dollar of the business. Two weeks later, I get another letter. Continuing this whole thing about me being released.

It's inevitable. It should be within the next 30 days, kind of laughing about it. And then he goes on to insult me a few more times. Then the next few letters, and by the way, there's no return it. There's no return, you know, address. So then the guy goes on, he writes another one. This one's just insulting. Then he writes another one.

This guy wrote me a letter. It ended up being about once a month for about three or four years. I had about 50 of them. At one point, SIS. which is the internal kind of security for federal prisons intercepts one of the letters and reads it they call me into s is and i go in i go yeah what's up and they said listen we got this letter and i go okay and he opens it up he says have you have you he said um and he was and he starts reading it and i was like oh yeah yeah that's that guy from the law firm right and he goes yeah but this is this is really disturbing that And I went, oh, I know.

I said, did he say the thing about having to eat, you know, the food has toenails in it and semen and I'm probably being raped and all these other. And he goes, yeah, yeah, he does. Like, oh, yeah, yeah, he's got some problems. And he goes, have you received these before? And I went, oh, bro, I said, I got like 40 or 50 of them. I got a stack in my, it was under a rubber band in my, in my locker. And he went, I said, but listen, there's no return address.

He's writing the letters, photocopying them. folding them up and sticking them in there and then tapes the outside i said there's no dna there's no you're not tracking i'm going to be honest with you i said what's it's not that big of a deal and i said in a very real way i said i kind of enjoy getting the letters i like hearing my name called at mail call i said to be honest with you i said it's kind of like he's doing time with me it's been almost four years like it's like he's a pen pal almost i said but i can't reciprocate which is too bad because i'd love to write him back and this and you know the guy from s is just shaking his head looking at me like he's like you've got problems i started laughing i said

give me my letter bro we add it to the pile so i take the letter and he goes listen if you want he said i can i can forward all that to like the fbi and i said ah he's fine so so so i'm saying i've had horrible you know really disturbing and that guy was probably like that guy actually could put he he he was dedicated to trying to upset me but which is very difficult to upset me um but this guy let's say Logan Logan goes on on and on yeah it's it's bad so this was another one listen a fucking Mick ain't shit ratted because you couldn't handle the time you should have just opened your veins up very upsetting very disturbed and then here's what bothered me so he keeps going then he starts talking

about he's going to about how he's going to kill my kids i don't have kids like i have one kid he's not even a kid now he's a grown man um then he goes back to the wife then i noticed and i didn't think when i'm reading this i'm kind of like what an idiot and then i realize this guy's tried to call me several times it was like 11 11 a m you know then at night he tried to call me that so i'm like this guy's reaching out to me then he sent even more then um so then i responded to him listen it went on and on and on without me saying anything this guy spent an hour or 30 minutes or an hour just writing one fucked up text after another so finally i said you seem very angry sorry your life isn't working out the way you'd you'd hoped

maybe if you see someone about your anger issues things will get better for you feel i'm being very polite that's very positive trying to be understanding immediately he comes back maybe if you open your veins pussy boy I mean it just goes you know it's I'll fuck your wife till she smiles

then I'll put one in her cortex I'm assuming that means a bullet in her cortex killer right? Yeah put one in her what's the one going to be in her cortex I don't I'm assuming that he's talking about a bullet up yeah it doesn't sound good

Sounds like an adolescent that just learn cuss words. I wish I could say that. So then he keeps, listen, I can't even tell you. Like it's a whole other slew of text. It's a whole other slew of text where I respond. I don't. Oh, then it was, then he was, then he starts talking about raping my daughter. And then I said, I don't have a daughter.

And he says, he says, have one so I can beat her face to a pulp. I'll fuck your wife till she smiles. Then I'll put one in her cortex. He goes on and on. And I respond, it keeps it more of the same. Then I end up saying, oh, then he calls me a Mick again. And I put, I'm not a Mick. I'm Norwegian.

That would make, that would make me Nordic. And then he says, you bleed out in the bathtub. And then he starts calling me a rat. All Norwegian fucks are dirty. subhuman pussy ass animals really has unfair to classify all norwegians and this guy not politically correct no all norwegians like me okay fine you know i get it you're angry it goes on and on and more and then i put this uh is this how you get attention did your mother not pay enough attention to you as a child And that really didn't go well at all.

I don't like some of this I can't even say. Upset him. Uh, goes on and on, you know, very, very disparaging, disparaging, uh, comments. Then I, uh, what did I would I, then I think I said something like guys like you don't. Oh, he was basically telling me he wanted my, I think he's, this is where he says, oh, he says, send me your ad direct address. I'm going to come to your house and kill you. Like, why would I give you? I'm not going to give you my address if you're going to come to my house.

and kill me. That's just silly. Yeah, that would be that would be a smart move. Yeah. And then I put guys like you don't come to people's houses. Uh, you say raunchy things over the internet, but you never make good on them. In fact, I don't think you would meet me anywhere. That's assuming you even have the ability to get yourself from one point to another. That didn't go over well, more, then he calls, more horrible things than then he calls um oh and and then he called but i didn't answer because i didn't realize it was a call because i um i think i put the phone down or something then i put down why don't you send me your full address or you know no your full name and your address and then he put so you can call the police you rat you know it goes on and on and on a few mortgages right then he then i then he says that a fluke what'd you call it feluc filuccio fluke then he calls me a fluke again

you know um and I asked what that was I'm fairly positive as a slang term for homosexual and a test yeah that's what he said but not nearly as eloquently as you did more more raise the rate and then he oh wait what was this I put bro you've got some real problems

I feel like I feel so I feel like someone like you couldn't possibly survive in society you couldn't possibly be holding down a job are you on some kind of disability you know some kind of like it's a check like a crazy check or something right like you know something about burning my my grandmother and i had to explain to him that my grandmother's deceased he really wants to harm people around me but i don't have really anybody around me most of them are either deceased or they're adults and they don't live around so you know Talked about my mom. You know, just, you know, it's like, okay, she's deceased.

You can't hurt her either. So he goes on and on, then he calls me. So I'm not going to go through, because this went on for like another hour or so, right? It's like it's almost comical how long it goes on. This middle of a day here. Oh, listen, yeah, it, it, look, it literally goes on and on and on. Like, I'm not going to. Is that him?

No, this is the guy that I interviewed. Oh. Um, you know, people send me stuff for the, for the thumbnail. I was a stumbling customer. He is. Um, so what ends up happening is he calls me, but this time I realize it's a call, right? So I answer it. Listen, this guy's angry.

He's, he, so here's what I could see in my head because I can hear people in the background. talking but they're walking by right like it's like somebody guys are talking and you're walking so you can hear like you know and they go and like and you can hear street traffic people are walking there's horns there's like this is not something you're not walking down a suburban neighborhood you're in a city right he also sounded like he had an accent now I know people are going to get upset about this, but I couldn't tell you, you know, I'm from the south and I couldn't tell you the difference between a Boston accent, a Philadelphia accent and New York accent. They're all Yankee accents to me. So, it's a big difference between Boston and Philly. Okay. I guess

Boston and New York, I guess I should say. But then again, you've also watched every Goodfellow's movie about 50 times. So I, I've watched them maybe twice. I think I've probably seen Goodfellas twice i've seen the godfall all the godfather's movies at least once well the thing about charleston where i live at is hardly anyone here is from here they're from all other places so i actually worked with a guy that was from boston massachusetts grew up in the area where the winter hill gang operated he think he said he actually played some kind of sport um with the guy that uh weeks kevin weeks from whitey skull uh gang uh but like he was as boston as you can get and then obviously yes i have watched a lot of

you know my movies or you know with italian accents and they're very different at least my experience and i listen to that me and i used to get cracked up listen at him talk and we worked together for about three years but it is noticeably different if you're here especially if you're around them all the time you can really tell the difference well in the i don't know if it was six minutes or seven minutes that we spoke or oh it was it was a while now keep in mind 95 of the conversation was just him screaming while walking down the street so this is some guy who's walking down the street i mean that's what he's doing he's running down the street like i mean it was insanity bro it was insane and it was it was a same

kind of gibberish only the difference was this time now all the i didn't understand what all of this in this whole text thing he i don't well he may have but he i didn't connect it i kind of connected it because the only real backlash i've gotten is cousin of merlino oh yeah yeah so i kind of maybe i kind of thought it was probably related to that but when he specifically starts saying you're a lion piece of shit you never sat at the table with merlino he would never sit at the table with a rat you're a liar you've got it what what i'm going to do to you you've got coming i'm going to find you i'm going to come to your house i'm going to kill your wife i'm going well at first it was i'm going to you know i'm going to fuck your wife in front of you i'm going to make her beg i'm going to kill

you i'm going i mean it went on and on merlino is the man you'll never be probably true um you know uh but you know just i mean you know how dare you fucking talk you keep his name out of your mouth you fucking i think he called me a mick again i tried to correct him i'm norwegian um you 100% Nordic i've i've got the try to explain that i've i've got the ancestry report he didn't want to hear it uh didn't want to hear when he used once again talked about my daughter which i don't have i said i tried trying to tell you bro i don't have a daughter but i hear you i hear you i just don't want you to grab the wrong person and i said look i said i said i said i think we should talk about this in person why don't you go ahead and meet me somewhere uh in you know

i said i said you matter of fact i said we can meet halfway i said not that i think that you're you're going to be able to get yourself out of the state that you're in. I said, you sound like you're walking down the street. I, you clearly, you don't have a car. And who the fuck walks down the street if they have a car, right? But he's got to live in a city. So, but he's going absolutely ballistic. And I know, I'm, you know, I'm partially laughing, but the comment section is weird, right?

It's very detached. But when you speak to someone on the phone, it becomes real. Yeah, a little different. different at that moment i thought this could be a problem like this guy sounds so unhinged like somebody would probably have to give him a ride like if he could get his mom to give him a ride down to to tampa and find my address and drop him off here and somebody would obviously have to purchase you know the the gun for him um uh you know give him a weapon then you know maybe he could actually do some harm or something i mean i don't

see this guy being great at, you know, target practice or anything. I'm not saying he's a professional killer. But this is a kind of idiot that is dangerous because, you know, he's a crash test dummy. Yeah. Like he's the kind of guy that will go, hey, have so-and-so do it, you know, have so-and-so go, you know, burn down the car or burn up a car, burn up the building. Or you get him to do stuff that nobody else will do because it makes him feel important. But this guy was very specific that I had somehow insulted Merlino. And he was going to take retribution on me because Merlino said I was lying.

And in my opinion, you know, that's, that's, you know, like, first of all, I'm not lying. So you're telling people that I'm lying. And as a result, people are now coming after me because you're saying something that's false. So not it's not so it's not good. that's definitely line uh that's habitual line stepping i think is the term that's thrown around these these days these days how was the misses uh responding to these messages she's kind of involved in there a little bit typically she like initially when someone would say something uh you know disparaging about me she would kind of stand up for me like i'd check the comment

section and see this little back and forth with her and i'm like what are you doing don't respond to these knuckleheads. And she's like, well, he, he called you a rat. I go, I am a rat. What do you fucking think? I'm like, I look, I prefer co-op. You know, I prefer, you know, cooperation. Yeah. Or a cooperator, you know, but that's fine. Whatever. You don't get to choose your, you know, adjective. So, um, he goes, you know, they're going on and on, right. I mean, I'm sorry, she goes back and forth with people. And I've seen her do it a few times. And, but that was when we first started seeing each other. Right. Now she just kind of laughs it off. But when she came home after that whole thing, because eventually this guy, you know, like I'm kind of just talking to him, making little smart ass cracks and stuff, right?

Because I'm a badass over the phone. Um, you know, I'm pretty sassy over the phone. You know, but this guy, he's un, he is unmanageable. Typically, honestly, if you talk to people, you can calm them down. Right. This guy was like he's not listening to. anything. He's, he's screaming at the top of his lungs. And then he's like asking questions. And I'm actually going to answer the questions, which is really stupid. So, you know, I'm like, you know, he's saying stuff and I'm like, well, no, that's not what happened. Ah! You know, he just, I'm like, all right. So anyway, six or eight minutes or what hour, five minutes, whatever it went, um, hangs up the phone. Just literally, 20 minutes later, after I had screenshoted all of the, the conversation and send it to you, she walks in the door, like for lunch. And I'm like, hey, baby. And she's like, hey, what's up? I go, um, and I really sat there and I thought, do I say something? She already told me,

do not mention this guy, Merlino again. Yeah. Don't. People are, it, the hatred is overwhelming. She's like, it is insane. She had already said, you don't know what one of these fucking idiots will do. So you need to just stop. And I go, I got, all I said was the one thing. And, you know, and she's like, she's like, okay, well, you said it and it's out there. And that's fine. And enough. I'm like, okay.

I was fine. And then this. And I said, so I was thinking, God, do you say something? And I went. Right. I said, I said, I love you. You know, when you start. that conversation you know and you just let you have to kind of lay the groundwork like please

keep this in mind during this conversation on a good spot to slip it in there yeah so she says uh what happened and i went i said so got a weird little text thing going on and she's like what's that and i go well this guy hit me up on i on instagram and she's okay and i said i'm going to read you you a couple of things that he said. And I read them off. And she's like, what? And, you know, I kind of, well, you know, raise the rate. I go, well, this is this. They also sent this to, for clarification. Um, you know, and then I read a couple more. And she's like, oh, what an idiot. I said, yeah. And then I kind of went, she's like, oh my God. How long is this? I go, it's been going on a while. And I said she and she said, you responded? And I was like, yeah. And

And she's, and I said, that's not the bad part. The bad part is he called. So he called like 30 minutes ago. And she was like, well, at that point, you responded to what I sent you. You like laughed or said something. So that sounds. Whatever you said, that's disturbing or whatever you came back after reading. And I said, and so yeah, I said, uh, so I told her.

I said, yeah, I said, he called and here's what he said. And I started telling him her what he said. And she was like. This is, do you understand me? This is enough. All right. I'm not doing anything. I didn't do anything.

So, um, so yeah. So do you know? So yeah, I, I screenshot it everything, made a little file. Um, forwarded it to a friend of mine who's an investigator who's trying to track down the guy's name and information. He's like, yeah, so far what we can tell. I don't think he's really that much, you know, that's going to be that much of an issue based on what we're looking at. He's like, Matt, guys that do stuff. He's like, serious people don't do this. Yeah, they're not going to talk about. Yeah. You just open your door one day and that's it.

You know, they don't talk about it. They don't leave a trail. But these types of people are the kinds of people that affects in, in some ways, both Joey and you because he's doing something because he probably thinks Joey would say, oh, good job when actually joey could probably really give a fuck i mean yeah listen i was shocked that joey even responded to the to that video that to what i said i was to everyone's shock but at the same time i think he realizes that when you give this sort of content this kind of youtube wars i guess if you will number one it's a lot safer um but it's also views you know i mean part of the game and a lot of people realize that i mean that's why jean is is so

popular that's why sammy is so popular i mean it does create controversy controversy equals cash it's you know a tale as old as time but with with this guy doing that that could be something that he would do to you which obviously puts you in harm but he in his warp demented mind he's thinking he's gonna get like a high five from joey like he's gonna he's the soldier yeah yeah he thinks he's really in the you know involved with him for some yeah he's gonna take care of that this for joey so it's it's bad on that part because obviously he's going to harm you and it's you know it would it would eventually i'm sure it would get linked to like oh would joey influenced this when he you know are you serious

bro i feel like joey put a hit out on me that's what i think when joey said i said was a lie which wasn't a lie by the way when joey said all of that i feel like you put a target on my on my back it's like screaming fire in a crowded theater like what are you thinking bro i told the truth what i said was true. Oh, boy. I love that you don't even want to respond. Um, my God. So shame on you. And this guy's unhinged. He's walking down the street with he's doing this. He's not he's not. If you had heard this guy, it's like when I heard him, I thought, this is not good. Did he sound like a grown man? Oh, no, he was a grown man. Okay.

He was a grown man. He was definitely walking down to city street where, you know, who knows. You know, what his accent was. I don't know. It was northern. You know, was it Philadelphia or New York? I couldn't tell you. He was screaming so, so, you know, loud.

But anyway, yeah, so I, I feel like it's definitely questionable. It's definitely questionable. Yeah, I would, um, it would, I've never had anybody do that. I'm everybody with me either in that video or any other video that I've ever done where somebody disliked something I said or whatever anything has been strictly kept to the comments right um I don't think anybody I don't even think anybody has slid in the proverbial DMs to bash me like that definitely no phone calls no I've never got that's the actually I think I would say probably and I could be wrong maybe a year or two ago and I don't remember in the you know hit

me up on Instagram. That's the first time I've ever had anybody track me down on Instagram to insult me. And listen, 99% of the people to leave comments are super positive, unless they're just saying like, damn, Cox, this is bottom of the barrel. Like, you know, this is your worst video yet. Even then I feel like, yeah, he's got, you know, he's right. It was pretty bad. But, um, you know, I was going to say, what's the guy's name? Little Snuff. What's the guy's little snuff i've actually spoken to him via tic-tok oh are is he doing the show or we we discussed it he said he was gonna do it but i haven't talked with him in a little bit i was kind of busy through the end of january i know they've kind of ramped up their thing on the on the patreon so we haven't

touched base but he said at one time he was going to do it right i don't know well you know it's like he's made the comment a few times these guys are mentioning joey's oh they're just mentioned your name for views well but that's that's what youtube is you yeah that's the same reason joey talks about you know michael franzis same reason he talks about sammy the bull same reason he's saying i'm going to expose all these rats like you're not doing it because you know because out of altruism you're doing it because you're trying to get views that's your concern i think that's the should be the goal of anyone on YouTube. If you're on YouTube not to get views, I don't really know what the hell you're doing. Yeah. I mean, then then get a, you know, Google drive and just

make videos and put it on there and where nobody can watch it. Like, if that's your goal, it's just, oh, I'm no, I'm just doing this to document certain things in my life. Okay, well, then just keep that on your phone. Like, you don't have to upload it to YouTube. There's a reason that you've monetized these videos and you're trying to get views. Right. So, you know, it, it always kills me. when people say that. But yeah, but it's, that was definitely, definitely disturbing. Definitely. Yeah, not good. And listen, my wife's not happy. Like that when she brought her into it, like, she's like, what did I do? Why do I have to be a part of this? You let him know. You let him know. Um, no, she's not going to stand out for me. She's going to be what he's,

he's upstairs i'm leaving so um oh you know it's so funny uh when she was leaving tonight to go to work and i said uh i said oh i got a i have a video with uh with wade in about you know 30 minutes and she goes oh man she was shoot she's i like listening to you guys and i go you you hear me all the time and she says well it's mostly wade and that's why i was like i was like you're so and mean just a mean like she's get where i used to set her up all the time with these little comments she's getting better and better like she's getting to a point now where she's getting to the point where she can get me to walk into them yeah well that that's uh that comes with experience you listen to somebody do it and set you up long enough you'll learn how to fire back you should

take you should be proud yeah yeah but that that's got to be this i mean especially like it's one they were somebody like you said to say you rad or just that or the other but when you start like depicting violence especially on your family members and then you know impending physical violence to you that's another level and it's like so you would rather do all that you would rather kill a kid rape a wife right and shoot a guy because he rat it i don't even think it's that i think it's that i think is that he's saying his biggest problem was that you said that at the table with Joey Merlino and you didn't. And the truth is I did. What's even so funny about it is I don't care. Like if I could care less. I just happened to mention was I there with him? Yes. Did I see him all the time? Yeah.

He worked out on the yard all the time. And I actually sat sat at the table with them several times. That was it. Like to me, it was like an offhanded comment because it was 100% true. But the fact that then he comes out and says, that's a lie. It's like, wait a minute now. You could have said the truth, because the truth is, I don't recall. Most likely either, or maybe he does recall, but he recalls and he doesn't want to admit it. Then what you say is, yeah, I don't recall that guy ever sitting with me. And if I had known he was a rat, I wouldn't have sat with him. Now, you mentioned something earlier, by the way. I wanted to clarify. Why would they send someone like Merlino to a place that is filled with people that cooperated and are sex offenders.

Because Marlino's not going to do anything. He, right? Like, let's face it, a real, like, you can send old gangsters there in their 60s because it's a low and it's soft. And people, people, and I'm not going to say people don't get stabbed because they do get stabbed, but it's very rare. And there, there's a lot of fist fights there. But if you stay yourself, nobody bothers you. So you can send a bunch of old mobsters there because they're old and they're in their 60s and 70s and they don't want any problems and it's soft and I'll just stay away from

these, the weirdos and they, you know, like they don't care. You can send Merlino there. He's high profile and honestly, he's not a threat. He's locked up. He just wants to do his time and go home. Now, when a guy like Merlino really, or Wes Watson, or any of these guys get out. You know what they tell everybody?

Oh, if I knew someone was a chow, if I locked up with a chow, I walk up him, you punch him immediately, you beat his ass. The truth is that about 40 to 50% of the people at Coleman Lowe have some kind of sex charge.

Now, maybe they're not there on the sex charge there because a lot of guys that are registered somewhere. Right. And they've done some time, got out, again and maybe they got picked up for drugs or they got picked up for something some other crime

and so they end up going to prison under the new crime but if you look into them a lot of times you'll go that's weird that they would send you here but the truth is they sent you here because in your past you have a sex crime so so for someone like merlin but still like openly openly no 30 to at least 30 percent of those guys are there and too it would probably also and again i'm not saying that he would need it but also less of a chance of somebody trying to do something to him probably you know for cloud or whatever exactly right i don't don't know you're you're you're you're right and that's absolutely true like if he was in a medium or pen then there's a chance somebody might try and do something to him just to look good right

yeah yeah that's what i'm guess what i'm getting at just to just make a name or you know something like that i think that happened with goddie there's a famous story when gody uh was in one of the prisons he was in i don't know if it was marrying illinois but him and another guy got into it over a beef i think about the tv and you know i don't think if they'd have gotten that argument that guy wouldn't beat up goddy but obviously it didn't hurt that he got to say hey i beat up john goddy the former leader of the gambino's yeah i'm it's just pathetic like god he was an old man at that point like what are you doing you know you get up an old man so um but yeah i think merlino is very safe he's very safe there and let's face it you know what's so funny is like i said

these guys get out and they're like yeah we you know you smash them if you even know that somebody's a sex where the truth is you're surrounded by 50% sex offenders and and rats and you don't do anything because the truth is that most of the prison stories are bullshit right you know now do people get are there gangs yes are there riots yes are there fights and stabbing yes but it's not like it's every day and most of the time people bring that stuff on themselves and you know and I wasn't just at the low. I was at the medium. I was in the U.S. Marshall's lockup. I was at, you know, I've been to prisons

where there were, there were fights and stabbings and riots and, you know, but still most of those, you bring that stuff on yourself, you know, but yeah, he was, yeah, he was there and now he's saying that I'm not lying

and now he's got his little henchmen are after me and they're going to kill. He's telling, he's practically put a hit on my, I feel like it was like, like, I, yeah marlino put a hit out on me it's it's not good uh again well a great call by me to pass so i'm putting this on my chat i thought i thought i picked up that you might have felt a little offended but i had a i had a method to uh the the passing on that i was like i'm gonna let matt take uh take the hit this yeah not not literally not let i didn't think it would turn into this

listen listen one of the best comments i heard the other day this was like a month or two ago um some guy in the comment section said this is a conversation between matt cox and his co-defendant and it goes like this listen did i take did you hear me say this one did i tell you listen bro if they catch me i'm going to tell on you you better bring somebody to tell on listen i you know what i used to say guys would be like bro cox man like know if we get on the street we could do something we do that i said i said look i'll do something with you i said i'll tell you right now if they catch us i said you better hope they talk to you before they talk to me it would be like damn that's how it is it that's exactly how it is i said

don't get it twisted i've seen one of the comments in that video was uh you and the hillbilly better watch it my uncle was frankie bow he's referring to frank balustery but um yeah it was just it was like and it started off like okay like it was like a decent comment then it was a little hateful then it was damn near it was a downright insulting and i was just like oh my god i would go back weekly because that thing it was really the first one that we kind of did because you me and you did that and i think you talked to nadu then the guy who recently was on joey's podcast uh clausin right but that was kind of like the first one and it was right after him and jean had got into it and they kind of mixed words so it was

we done it at the right time to get the heat on it but um you know what's funny about that um like when when uh claus and i did that video and he mentioned he mentioned merlino i had no clue like i didn't know that was even coming he just said and you know and they started asked me about a guy that actually you know and i was like who's that and he was like yeah Joey Merlino. I was like, oh, I was like, and then it dawned on him. I was like, oh, wait a minute. All of his, your whole thing took place in Philadelphia. Like, oh, okay, what was that? But I was going to say, you know what our video got? That first video we did has, um, yeah, it's got 115,000. This is YouTube studio, by the way, 115,000 views. That's impressive. Actually, I think our other one has like 80 or 90,000 views. I think your video that you did. Yeah. It has like it. It's over that. Right. It's over 90. Yeah, like 92 or 93. Somewhere low. Yeah, that one did well. Um, feel I'm, I'm hoping this doesn't go bad. Has he tried to contact you anymore. No.

he told me don't text me again but you texted me i don't i don't classified as a text yeah well it i would don't well he just yelled at me on the phone said it when you was like well fucking whatever you know whatever he said don't text me don't message me again and hung up and i was like contacts you threatened you and then you respond and he's mad because you're responding i mean i i feel like look i was just want you know i feel like honestly what i I think would solve this, I feel like Logan needs a hug. Like if I could just give Logan a big hug and tell him just to cry and just kind of cry it out.

You know what I'm saying? Just hug it out, bitch. You know what I mean? Give him a pat on the back. Let him just cry from all that the love that he didn't experience as a child that's got him so angry. I just, I care about Logan. Your goddamn phone's going to be blowing up.

I want Logan to be okay I want him to get a car and not have to walk the city streets this better be short right here you because you know he follows he's got to follow you of course he does he's a fan that's the beauty part about all this that people don't understand is when people like do videos disparaging other people or other channels when they go there if they had never heard of you and and maybe some of his audience are hurting you you maybe they hadn't but if they go there nine times out of 10 even if they don't like you they're going to hit the subscribe just to see what you do we'll see what the motherfucker is doing today i hope everybody doesn't like me and subscribe to see what i'm doing

today or tomorrow listen if i had half a million subscribers and all my videos were getting a hundred thousand views and plus i don't care if 95% of the comments are just are exactly like that oh yeah yeah i'm fine my dad i'm my son asked me one time he's like he was reading some of the comments i think i was on a tic he's like when people say things like this don't bother you i'm like no i was like they're watching that's all i care about like it's you want them to watch yeah that's like i would respond to someone if i'm bored or like i'm in a you know airport or something like that i'll go through some of the videos and i'll reply back to some of them especially if it's you know

i like kind of riling people up but um you know it's never bothered me what's funny about it is is if you're the I love the guys that leave comments and say this guy's a piece of garbage piece of shit I would never support him you just did yeah you just left a comment like interaction is one of the best possible sharing the video is the best yeah they hitting the like button up or down doesn't mean much sharing the video is the most important one then leaving a comment and interaction in the comment section the next matrix is the thought comes up. And of course, length of watch time. If you watch like the bulk of the video, then that's also a huge push on the algorithm as far as the as far as the factors are concerned with YouTube's decision to push your video. So, you know, it love me or hate me. If you're watching, commenting and sharing, you're a fan. Right. You're whether you know it or realize or not, you're supporting. Yeah. And then subscribing. See, that's. pretty good too is there so is there something to the million views mark that you get thrown into the algorithm a little more or is that i don't know and i don't feel like i'm ever going to know what you're way past a million at the rate i'm going i'm never going to know you're way past a million you got to be a million what like total view no no no no no no total views yeah oh yeah no i get between four and a half and i'm sorry but i get between

1.5 million and 2 million views a month okay well we weren't going that way you made me feel bad I was just meaning in total oh no it's like the current 40 million 30 40 million in total and the channel's been about three little over three years yeah you're still making me feel worse about myself in my channel yeah but think about a year ago listen I I a year ago I had 50 about 40 or 50 000 views I had a couple good videos and it just blew and it took me two over two years to get 50,000 views over two years and keep in mind too, I'm actively going on people's channels. You're talking about subs, right?

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're right. Subs. Okay. A year ago and changed, I had 50,000 subscribers. And that took me a little over two years to get.

And that's me actively going on people's channels pushing my. video that what blew it up was i had a couple of good i had i had like two good videos in a row and then i've after that i've had a few good videos and then also i've had a few videos that like did okay they got 20 or 30 000 views and then trailed off and then three months later boom they got 150 000 views over the next month and a half it's like i don't even know what happened right but you know and then periodically i'll go on somebody's channel kind of like um when you went on Ian Bick and you've got a couple of shorts that got like millions. You've got millions of views on TikTok, right? On his TikToks or his shorts? TikTok. Yeah. Yeah. So you've got millions of views.

You know, that you get a huge boost in your subscribers because of that. I got about six or seven thousand new views within about a week and a half. A new subscriber. I got about 6,000 new subscribers within let's say a week to a week and a half after i went on um lex friedman right you know i'm hoping to go on uh michael franzis channel uh i've texted him a couple times i'm trying to basically just get on the phone where we can arrange a time for me to fly out right is he is he in la or is he said he's in l a yeah okay that would be awesome to get mine yeah and he was like you He's like, hey, if you want, we can do it remote. I was like, no, no.

Like, I understand that being in person does a lot more for, you know, like on his channel, all of his videos getting 100, 400,000, 500,000, a million views. Like, if I go out there and I get 500,000 views on a video with him, that's going to give me a little boost. And I don't think that his subscribers are my subscribers. Correct. I think it's a different market. It is.

but he's he's branching out a little bit i think we we covered that in this video that we're referencing michael has i'll say he's run the well dry with his story and in covering things with the mob and it's still very interesting but anybody that knows michael knows his story and his role so i think it's got to the point now where if he's going to grow bigger than than what he is he's got to start branching out and getting into other stories even other you know criminals he had a guy named uh johnny yang i think is his name uh machine gun johnny yang who was a different i don't want to say the wrong nationality because i don't want to get crucified but he was either like chinese or or something like that but he was a a big mobster they've done a show on them uh

a american gangster i think they used to do it or highlight different people they highlighted him in one of those uh so he's starting to you know still kind of stay with the crime element but but branch out and do different things and i think that would be that would be a good fit you'd be a good fit on there and he's a good interviewer too yeah i was gonna say he's sharp enough to do it yeah you know he's charismatic enough he's he's he's definitely he's good enough to to do interviews i don't think everybody has that that talent well he honed it because he started doing a lot of traveling and speaking you know when he got religious and he was he would speak at churches and and things like that so he was kind of maybe I don't want to say prepping but inadvertently honing his skills

at least at talking you know what I'm saying right then um then the podcast come later so you were already before I think what helped me tell my story so good was the fact that I was listening to other people's tear their tell theirs for like you know a year and a half so it kind of you know gave me a little bit of legway and I think him doing all the speaking for you know the churches and things probably prepped him to do this because he is good at it he's one of the guys that i watch i don't have a ton of time to watch a lot of people but i do watch his well hopefully i can get on his that would be cool you know fly out there do his um yeah we'll see we'll see did jean i don't know if jean ever got on his they were supposed to was he i don't know i well i know that

he just got back from Europe from the UK yeah Europe from the UK uh where he was with Sean Atwood yeah yep I taught what that would not too long ago he said that Michael was coming out there and then we're going to do that and then I think jean supposed to be doing something with sammy the bull here so that'll be that'll be interesting jean knows how to get views like he doesn't have a I don't know if he has a standalone show but he needs one he does i mean i try to talk to him about and he was like yeah yeah i'm gonna do that i'm not you know but he he's he's obviously all over the place you know yeah well i mean he's he's hot right now especially on youtube he's he's made the rounds in la i think he did the connect

and some other podcast he's on a different one every day on his instagram yeah but i mean that's the whole thing is like if you have your own show and your own channel and you've got something then all of right like you're it's a waste if you don't have some way to monetize that yeah like he's like oh i'm promoting myself promoting what yeah you got to drive him somewhere i think you told me the very first time me and you ever spoke on the phone you told me that you was like my biggest mistake was not having a platform ready to go after i went on dany's and i blew up you just said i missed the huge window to capitalize on it yeah there was a massive wave of basically within about six months there was roughly six million views on videos on between between four different four different

platforms there was six to seven million views within within a year there was easily eight million views keep in mind that as far as advertising is concerned a hundred thousand views is worth about 10 grand in advertising does that make so a million is a hundred thousand dollars that means if there's eight with any i i blew 800 000 potential advertising dollars that could have been half a million subscribers oh the channel if i just been putting up one stupid video a week and danny you know from concrete if anybody's watching danny told me you know danny didn't he wasn't as emphatic as i probably looking back feel he should have been but the truth is he didn't know like he was saying look I can't promise you that

this video is going to do great he's like I feel like it's going to go viral it's going to blow up he said but I mean it may not do anything he said but I don't see that you've got an amazing story you told it great because I think it's going to be huge you need to start a YouTube channel and I was like oh I don't have the right stuff and I don't you know and I just fucking went straight pussy and didn't do any of the things he told me to do he's like use yourself phone. You don't have a camera? No, use your cell phone. You've got an iPhone. They got great cameras. I don't want to do that. You know, and I was like, I want a professional. I want, you know, the same shit I still don't have. So, you know, I want, you know, I want a sound engineer and I want to have, you know, I wanted to do a heavily produced true crime serial style podcast, which to this day I've never done. So, you know, I didn't realize what he meant was, you know, just put the And he even, not even that, he did, he told me, he said, take the camera, sit it in front of you and just start telling your story. Break it up.

And I was like, yeah, I don't really have editing software. And he goes, you can do it on your phone. There's free phone. There's free. And he was explaining it. I just kept no, no, no. And he was, he looked at me and finally he was like, okay, well, that's cool. Like, he was like, okay, you know, and I get it because I probably would have been the same way.

Okay. You want to be an idiot. He didn't push it hard enough because he didn't know for sure. I think now if we went back and he knew, hey, that video is going to get 2 million views and it's going to spark you going here and getting 2 million and here and getting 2 million and here. I think if he'd known that, he'd have told me, let me explain to you what's happening. Yeah. But he didn't know. And I was just such an asshole and such an arrogant prick as I tend to be.

I totally just fucked myself. And so what happens is now I'm starting. I had to start from ground zero and just scratch my way up. And all this hard work and Logan's about to end at all here when he catch. Yeah. And then Logan comes around the Tampa Bay. So we put the hit out on me. Lo, he's got a put man out there threatening me trying to figure tree.

Logan right now is probably panhandling trying to get money together. So he can get a train ticket to come down to Florida, hike into Tampa. Oh. And try and find my, you know, my subdivision. And then, you know, watch Logan actually be like, like four foot eight. You come down here with a pistol that doesn't work. That pistol away, smack his little ass room. You would be like the biggest cautionary tale of YouTube.

He's trying to shoot. And I'm like, oh, I'm going to beat your ass little Logan. luckily you're 4 foot 11 and I can it would be the biggest cautionary tale of you too you would go down in infamy if something bad would happen then I get a million subscribers yeah you would get a million you wouldn't I wouldn't enjoy it yeah you wouldn't be able to benefit from it I mean you know I mean maybe they can trick alone over here to crime and entertainment hit that like subscribe button you and I've done a lot of good stuff together so I mean they got to go somewhere they got to go somewhere Matt you know

Colby, when you say, when you do, when you do the, the, the, um, the De Niro, uh, he insults him a little bit. It's too bad. Colby should clip that in there. I didn't insult them a little bit. Oh, yeah. You didn't really have fun with this video. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think I'm not wearing. I think I'm going to name it. Uh, Joey Merlino put a hit out on me. You got to. That's, you can't not do that. You know, it's total and what people get upset. Look, who's fucking clickbait of course it's clickbait have you not been paying attention you know i don't even feel it's clickbait yeah honestly i think they got more on if i got hurt right now they've got more on merlino inciting someone to kill me than they do on trump inciting an insurrection

what did he say you know what you got to do well they'll still charge joe he can believe that that guy that he got on listen as they should i wish i could be there to testify but if but for this whole thing to work out i have to be that that guy that you had on claus and i was listening to a piece of the interview he did and i guess basically from what i was understanding they offered him a deal or to walk from his charges if he just said that joey had something to do with it right and he basically this is what he said on their show was they said was it we didn't you know he didn't have anything to do it and he's like it doesn't matter if he didn't they just wanted his his name and i guess he i haven't listened to his old story i guess he just

told him he wasn't going to do it i'm assuming he didn't or he wouldn't be on their show i mean listen joey's lucky they talk to him because i'd be like what do you want joy to be involved in what do you want him to have said he gets up at 930 he goes to the bagel shop listen this guy was running the whole operation are you i met with them several several times where do you think I met with them that's where I met with him what do you think happened during that during those meetings I he did say that of course oh just enjoy let's be honest I mean I and I feel bad but I'm gonna put money on your books bro you can buy new tennis shoes I'm gonna you can get you can get a you know they have these

sausages called little chubs which you know really it's the innuendo the I think that Anyway, you know, you can get sausages in there. You can buy all your stuff from, you'll max out commissary. Like, I'm, I'm going to support you, but I can't do all this time. You know what I mean? I love how upset you get. I love it. I'm trying to phrase my words very careful.

There's a, there's a movie. You ever seen this movie called Black and White? No. It was from like the late 90s, early 2000. thousands and it had everybody in the movie and it did it did have a point but like everybody had like the little small bit roles like ben stiller was in it joe pant leone was in it robert downy junior was in it eliza wood bejew phillips mike tyson and it was just like it followed around these group of rappers i think some people from um what the hell wutan clan was in it it was

just like a hodgepodge of nothing really but it actually was a decent movie and uh this guy said he's talking to mike tyson and he's telling me that he thinks this guy that he paid to throw a basketball game is going to turn him in like because now ben stiller's a cop he finds out that the kid throws the basketball game so he's talking to mike Tyson and he's like you know so what do you think all to do he's like well you know if you've got a problem you should take care of the problem and he says you're saying i should whack the motherfucker and he's like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa he's like i didn't you know mike tyson talks she's like i didn't i said nothing of the sort i choose my words very carefully my friend i just said if you have a problem you should take care of the

problem i don't know what the problem is but it was the way he said it was just is really funny it just kind of reminded me of that i choose my words very carefully when we're talking about this kind of stuff i got to stay middle of the road do you ever talk to your wife about this stuff yeah yeah all the time I talked to her about it and I told her we were going to do this one and she asked, she usually asked like what it's about and she don't listen to her. She says she listens and I ask her a question and she's like, well, listen to the opener and heard his name and what he's doing. But I told her about this one. I was like, yeah, said he got a little heat from it. She's like, nobody's reached out to you. And I'm like, no, no, they have not.

I feel, I don't know if I want quite what you got, but I want a hater or two. No, I promise you. They're out there. I feel like you can't say you've made it until you have somebody hating on you like that. I remember Whoopi Goldberg said she knew she'd made it when she was just a comedian. She was just doing comedy at the time, you know, whatever. And she said, but I knew like I had made it when Mad Magazine came out and was mocking her. They do true caricatures of her, made fun of her, everything.

Like, I remember thinking, wow, this is, I've hit the big time. I'm in a, in a major magazine and they're mocking me. I'm going places. I hear you. Yeah. So I have a question. Whenever we do these, do you ever get any, do you see anybody come over from this channel to your channel to crime and entertainment? Yeah, I've had a lot of people say, saw you on Matt Cox or, you know, saw you from a video with Matt Cox.

and a lot of people seem to like the one i know they don't get like a enormous amount of views but people seem to really like the ones we do with brett together yeah well it's funny all you and i's have gotten tons of views yeah you know um but yeah with brett i mean brett cracks me up so oh yeah but i think i think the problem is probably the subject matter with me you and brett is like how's our channel doing yeah a little different than what most people were going to hop on as far as like a hot topic like we were we weren't discussing the merino burello beef and right and all that i did see a short that he put out on instagrams shorts and stuff are getting a lot better i know he said he's got a team doing it but he was like i'm going to

tell you something he's like prison is full of people that told and people they wish that have told or wish would have would have told yeah there's two kinds of people in prison those that told and those that wish they had yeah yeah that's yeah i thought that was pretty uh funny his his stuff's getting a lot better the like the quality of it and stuff oh it's super yeah it's very i don't understand why he you know he'll put out something and you'll get you know it gets 150 200 300 interviews and i'm like i don't understand like i've watched them and they're great like why are these things not taking off i've had that same issue like there's some videos that i do that are really good and i think are good and then some that you know just just blow up for no reason

I don't understand the rhyme or the reason. I don't understand if it's like if it doesn't make enough noise in that first threshold, then it doesn't get pushed. That's why I ask you about the million total views. Because see, I've never done a live. I typically only do one video a week every now and again. If it's something special or like a hot topic or something, I'll throw one out in the middle of the week.

But I generally only do one a week. And so my total views are almost at a million. It's at like 954,000. that's like you're banking on a million being something well that's why i asked you earlier i was like does that is that a different is that a certain number that throws you into more searches more scrolls more algorithms i heard somebody say that a long time ago but i didn't know if it was accurate i don't know i mean you know what's funny is the first few videos i did where i interviewed people did really well yeah um like but you know it one was um mike dowd oh yeah yeah i think that was my first

view and it did really well. And I, you know, it got like over 100,000 views. I think it's got like probably a couple hundred thousand now. And I just thought, well, and the next video I did got 40 or 50,000. I was like, my God, this is going to be huge. And it wasn't. And it just slowly went from like miced out. And then it just went boop, boop, bo, boom, boom, boom, you know.

And then it's ever since then just kind of, did, every once in a while, something will go up. And I can never tell what it is. I'll interview some guy about aliens and it'll get 200,000 views. And it'll be a shitty stream yard that I did. Like not even we were the lighting is bad. Everything about it is just bad. It's not clear. The whole thing.

200,000 views. And I'm like, what the hell? And then I'll do other ones where I think this is hilarious. This is great. 10,000 views. Yeah. What I like about us all talking,

you me and Brett talking is I feel like, you know, when you get 10 or 12 of those and we can put them into a playlist. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's for people that are starting YouTube channels. It'd be very beneficial. Yeah.

Because I think you'll see like, hey, it's, it's, you know, it's a struggle and what works and what doesn't work. And what's funny is what I'm a huge believer in is, you know, consistency. Yeah. Like you're saying, you know, like you've been consistent. First of all, you don't put, I know you probably feel like you put. a lot of time into your stuff into your videos but you know you're doing one video a week you also work a full-time job right so let's say your one video is five extra hours a week of time

you know including the hour video that you were do a 45-minute video however they're usually about under an hour right yeah typically yeah so roughly an hour so let's say roughly an hour plus another three hours of editing and thumbnails and let's say four so let's say five hours you know five hours a week you know five hour extra five hours like you're maintaining a full you're maintaining a full time job if you started cutting it if you were able to cut into your job and put out an additional video and make them longer then i think you would start to see more subscribers and more you know and revenue you know a drastically different revenue the problem is you have a full-time job right you know So it's like, where do you? It's hard to do. You have to, you have to kind of go, either I have to just wait it out and keep doing what I'm doing and slowly build the channel, um, and hope that a video hits every once in a while, which they do. Um, you know, or I have to start cutting into I have to start cutting into I can't cut into my job. I have to cut into my time with my family. Right. So that sucks. Yeah. And that's where it becomes hairy. And I have a lot of interviews saved up. But I think even from the very beginning,

I always had that fear when I first started doing like interviews like this that I would run out on a dry spell and not have anybody to talk to or not you know be able to put anything out and then I'm like damn what do I do then I've got a lot can especially with like movie stars um and I use that term loosely there were in movies major movies like you ever seen adventures and babysitting no I've heard I've heard it I've seen pieces I know the movie you're talking about out. So the kid was in that, or I say kid, he's a grown man now. He was in that. He was in the movie Toy Soldiers, which was a good movie. That was a good movie. That was a good movie. That was a good. He was Keith Coogan. You know, you remember which one. He was the guy that had the asthma. Okay. In that movie. So he's been in a bunch of stuff. He was in don't tell mom the babysitter's dead. He was huge in the 80s. Oh, I remember that one too. Yeah. So he was in that. Um, he was the hippie son, the one that lived there. um so i've got him and and it was a great interview but like i don't feel a need that i have to put that out like this week you know that's something that i can plug in at any time i had the girl that was on the night of the living dead uh movie from the 90s with george amaro when he did it in tony todd um her name was patricia talman she was a stunt woman and a lot of other movies like long kiss good night and Jurassic park so it was an interesting one and it's ready and i can fit that in there but i felt like if i started doing two a week

you know, I would run out like I if I didn't do an interview now for the rest of the year I could probably almost close out the year with what I have can. Oh man, that's that's a ton. Yeah. And some of them some of her like really old and that's why I like doing those things with you because I can give I wish now I knew everything when I first started. I think don't we all but I'll go back and see some of those others was like man I wish I could have done this different or it was a good interview but in the beginning my camera was shitty like when I interviewed. you like lilo bruncato that was the first one i did like my camera so blurry compared to what i got now

and i mean this still isn't like top notch but it's better than what i had yeah well these are both yours i mean mine's just the the what came with the computer but you got a back yeah yeah see yours looks really good i got a pretty high dollar web camera and i'm just not as clean as you but i've never oh yours is super clear right now yours is as clear as mine okay so mine i guess i don't I'm self-conscious about my image. I've never owned an Apple product, though, never. That's, I know every time you send me a text, it's, it's in green. Oh, so just disgusted.

Just all the help you give you're like, you can go on this. And I'm like, that's for Apple and yeah, yeah, can't do anything with that. Yeah, I'm like final cut pro, uh, Photoshop, uh, and you're just like, I'm a da Vinci, Da Vinci has been my editing software since I started. Yeah, I know, like having to learn something the first time is so horrific that if you said, oh, I'm here, use this program, man, I'm not learning another program. Like Colby and I, Colby's got Premier Pro, right? Yeah.

That's what that's, isn't that that that's the equivalent for like PCs yeah from Final Cut Pro? And that's what he uses. And like I would like it if we were both using. the exact same program but let's face it he's not going to re learn a bunch of stuff and i'm certainly not going to i'm too old i'm lucky i learned as much as i've learned so you know there's lots of stuff that i wish you know we were all in the same programs because then we could help each other more yeah and i'm sure there's different things that i could do to up it as far as you know effects here and there but listen da vinci is free i don't pay a dollar for it i've learned

how to use it i've learned as time goes on how to like overlay stuff stuff and you know size things you actually kind of taught me how to size things a little differently so it would format and fit the you know the long view or whatever it is you call it um you know the beginning i wasn't even doing that when i would do a tic-tok it would be like a box in the middle right on the top and bottom you know yeah then i started doing that and then i started adding b-roll and then i started changing the cover photo that i wasn't doing you can if you scroll through my tic-tok you can just see the progression of how i learned to get a little best like they look like shit it look a little better they look pretty good yeah it's fun and it's

fun too like it's it's it's it's super like editing is just it it's really great unfortunately it'll i'll spend two hours on a 55 second video that will get 3,000 views and then colby's guy will come along and just do a hatchet job job on the same video as me and i mean just chop chop chop chop chop chop and i'm like that doesn't even really the story doesn't make sense he kind of chopped up like I get it and it'll get 150 to 200,000 views. I'm like I got like 1500 views or he's got one that's got like you know six million views and he just like and I'm like there's no B roll there's no this I'm not even sure what happened you know it's just so upsetting and it's like you know some of I think I'd like I get created with too I done one on the movie Candyman

and I took like 60 seconds and I've done that thing I figured out this thing to distort my voice a little bit and it makes it sound really cool and i just kind of talked about candy man how he was you know told the backstory of it a little bit and i put in different clips from the movie um i told it like he was paid an extra thousand dollars every time he got stung by the bees um and i thought it was like really cool and it didn't get like nowhere near the amount of views i thought it should but i i didn't really have a purpose for doing and i didn't interview anybody from the movie i just kind of had an idea in my head kind of like a little amateur film director and put it together but some of them some of them do well and then some of them just you know you think

they're shitty but they just go bonkers with it and it's really hard to you know decipher between the two and i've found i guess the the main photos make a difference like whatever people see does that make a difference when it's got yeah because if they see a bradley cooper on the front of it you know then they are like oh and they click on it you know then one of the biggest ones i'd done it was a it was a former mob guy and he was talking about how when they pulled this bank job and they went running out this lady seen them coming out so she turns and goes running out where like him and the guys kind of split so he wound up running the same way as the lady did well i guess when people reported it they reported a lady running from the bank with the robbers

and so this lady actually got pulled over in question because i guess they felt they watched her get into her car then that was reported so she got pulled over and he's telling the story so uh one of the the clips is like a cop with his gun pointed like at the camera and it was one of the best shorts i ever did i just put that one little picture in there not thinking that it would have that impact and and it did listen i'll tell you something like you know so when i tell my story you know like you can't even six hours you can't tell all the stuff you've done and there's some stuff like i just don't mention yeah So one time, I'll tell you this, because this reminds me of what you should say.

One time, luckily, almost nobody's going to watch this much of the video. One time, I was driving, there was a guy that worked for me. His name was Johnny Moon. That was his real name, by the way. His dad's name was Johnny Moon, too. So Johnny Moon and I are driving through this neighborhood. And he goes, see that house right there? And I go, yeah, he said, my dad buys drugs from that guy.

I went, what? And he goes, yeah, he said he's a drug deal. He's been arrested four or five times, been in prison. He said his parents bought him that house. And I went, really? And he goes, yeah. His name was Walter Bean. And I went, huh.

So there's no mortgage on the house. And Johnny goes, no. No, I don't think so. He was, I mean, they paid for it cash. I went now. So I went down. downtown pulled the you know got the address pulled the um title and there was a lien on it his parents had placed the lien on the house it was in his name but his parents put a lien on it because he's a drug at or is a drug dealer they were afraid he might sell the house or take out a mortgage that they couldn't do anything because they had a lien on it uh so i satisfied the lien i then turned around and i made a fake ID. I went and opened a couple bank accounts in Walter Bean's name. I didn't have his social

security number. So I used an issued social security number that was maybe a year or too old. And I borrowed three mortgages on the house. Now, typically the reason I don't mention in this is because after I borrowed like, after I borrowed three, I deposited two of the checks. I was waiting to I was about to deposit I think the third check and this is why I don't mention it because everything was going to like a UPS box right it was it was actually there was something called mailboxes etc but they got bought out but so let's say UPS box so everything was going to a UPS box and what happened was in the midst of this whole me refinancing the house over and over again and pulling out all this money and depositing in the bank account.

house one of the people that I have one of the lenders that I had sent the appraisal to there was they had it had accidentally been marked as being rule when it was an earth house was urban they put rule now all the other lenders overlooked it but I had also used an appraisers license to make the appraisal. So the lender contacted the appraiser and said, hey, could you check this box? This house is rule, not urban. Go ahead and check that for us. And he went, what are you talking about? I haven't done an appraisal in years. He was a retired Hillsborough County detective. He was in his 60s. And he said, me that appraisal. They sent him the appraisal. He contacted the Hillsborough County.

Hillsborough County went. And initially what they did, they pulled the title. They pulled the credit, pulled the title, looked at all the documents and thought Walter Bean had refinanced his house three times. They went to Walter Bean's house, grabbed Walter Bean, who'd been in prison multiple times, brought him downtown and questioned him for four to six hours. can you imagine this poor guy he's sitting he's watching barney miller one day and all of a sudden the cops like bang on his door and drag him downtown he's like i don't know what you're talking about they're like money's in your bank account that you know like he just he's the whole time he's screaming i don't know what you're because eventually what happened was they realized he didn't

have anything to do with it so they started realizing that the address the mailing address was different than his home address. So they watched the UPS box, 24 hours a day for four or five days until I showed up one day to get mail. And then they followed me. They followed me. And I was driving with a buddy of mine. And as we're driving, he, well, actually, he was driving. As we're driving, he goes, hey, by the way, someone's following us.

And I went, what? He goes, somebody's following us. And I went, are you serious? yeah look back there she said blue car he goes that car followed us out of the parking lot and i went fuck i said wait a minute you know what try and lose him so he speeds up and he's driving he's speeding up and this and that and it kind of swerving a little bit and they're they're back there like they're kind of following and i said there's no way like we're on the interstate at this point we're on i 75 i said you know what pull over he's where i go right here pull over and stop

so he pulls over the side of the road and stops on the interstate that blue car went right by us and pulled over and stopped maybe 200 feet ahead and then a car stopped behind us and I go get out the car we got out we changed and I fucking jumped it was an Audi an Audi TT Quatro you know which was like a two door sports car Audi had come out with and it was super fat and I just bro just punched it and just I must have been going over 120 miles an hour you know just insane and then i swerved off the uh interstate went through like a chirk parking a lot because he's screaming get let me out of the car let me out of the car i'm on location i pulled over in a i pulled through a church parking lot i whip around i pull into an apartment complex he jumps out of the car and runs i punch it but somehow i lost them it didn't really matter because they had my tag. Yeah. So like three days later, I go to get in my car and I drive off and they arrest

me. And I get grabbed. I get brought downtown. I get out. I bond out. I bond out. I end up having to pay the money back. I never mentioned that story because it was unsuccessful. Like I didn't get any money. Right. I fucked up. By the way, that's whenever I talk about you, sometimes people hear me talk about the they're like, well, you know, one of the reasons I would never do anything again is because I don't, I'm not concerned about my ability to pull off a scam. You just can't account for the fly in the ointment. Right. I didn't do the appraisal. I had someone else do the appraisal and we used another appraiser's license because obviously this guy doesn't want to use his license. Right. So we use someone else's license. I couldn't account for the fact that

the guy I had do the appraisal made one checkmark incorrectly. One check. If he hadn't made that check Mark. You never got caught. I'd have gotten about $500,000. And I'd have walked away. Now, they would have still grabbed Walter Bean, but nothing pointed to Walter Bean other than the fact that I'd stolen his idea. I didn't use his date of birth. I didn't know his date of birth. I didn't know his social security numbers. Like his data birth, social security number, the ID is clearly fake. Like the numbers don't go to his ID. Nothing went to his address. Like they once they looked at it, they would have been like, fuck out. There's just nothing here that points to him. What would have been really fucked up is if he'd had a lot of drugs in the house and then he got the drugs too.

Oh, yeah. Um, oh, not just that. Listen, to be honest, he probably now they think about it, I think my plan was to take all this stuff I had used and dump it on him. Like I was going to leave the cell phone and it's, you know, drop the cell phone. You know, you, you came home and there was a cell phone in a box next to your front door in the box. you'd pick it up. Oh, yeah. You'd bring it inside.

You're like, I'm not going to leave it out. So something's wrong. You'd pick it up and bring it inside. If I had a laptop and left a laptop on your front porch, you'd pick it up. Well, keep in mind, you don't realize that when you got to get the laptop, all the documents I'd used was on a separate laptop that had only been used for that purpose. Even if I erase them, when the cops get it and they, they go through it, they're going to find the erased documents. They're going to see like all of these documents have been made on this laptop that was found in your house. Well, see, the average person I think would pick that up.

I'm so fucking warped minded that I would be like, whatever's on that, I don't know if I want to open it up in my house, right? Then somebody's going to, they might be watching me. And when I take it in the house, they kicked the fucking door down and then, you know, God knows what's on it and they're pinning it on me. Not everybody's going to look that deep into it. No, I think this guy's in this guy was a scoundrel anyway. Yeah, now I doubt a good old Willie Dean was going to go.

I think he'd open up that phone and be like, I got a free cell phone started calling his buddies on it. I think he'd, yeah, it would have been a problem. Like I had a whole scam, a whole thing set up where it was like, yeah, they'll grab him. And I'll be fine. And he'll be, he'll be fine. But, you know, I didn't. It didn't get that far, you know.

There's like this scene in that, uh, the spoof movie called scary movie. Yeah. They're watching. And at the end of it, when like the killer's been caught or whatever, the whole stick is that the dad. is a drug dealer and that's why he's gone he's like oh i got to go buy some drugs from these guys down here so at the end when the cops show up he's like you know is a killer inside and he's like yeah and a sick bastard planted drugs all in the house in there you can go check it out

that's why i always say when someone someone comes and if you know the guy who's running a meth lab out of his house you know they come the cops coming you know why you're here yeah my girlfriend's running a meth lab out of this house I'm shocked that it's taking you this long. I was just about to call you guys. Show up. I just found out myself. I'm appalled.

Did you watch Better Call Saul? No, but everybody says, yeah. I seen a clip the other day that I said, and I watched Breaking Bad. That's the bad part is. I watch Breaking Bad. So I know like who the character is and what it's based around. But I never did watch Better Call Saul. And they got this one where he's like,

And it kind of reminds me of anybody that's, you know, with charisma and the guys on there on the stand and he's like, you know, are you sure you seen my client that day in the store? He's like, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's like, you're, you're 100% positive. You've seen the man in that chair. The man in that chair is the one that robbed you. Oh, yes, 100%. You don't need to take just a second. Nope. I know it's him. And he's like, so you would probably be surprised to know that the guy in that chair is so and so. He's not. my client my client's in the courtroom back here right so it in the judge is like you know i can't believe you do that and he looks at he's like you didn't recognize me either because they were really similar and i'm like that seems i don't know if that would work in a court of law but it seemed very cunning and cool there were there were in miami i want to say it was i almost probably it was miami there were these two lawyers that were famous for representing drug dealers and murder like just the worst of the worst and there's a famous story about them where there's a murder and one of the one of the they have all the evidence

spread out on the table and one of the attorneys puts his briefcase down just under the table and it's open so it's one of those old kind of they open up like this it's two handles and it's like a leather but the whole front opens it up it's not like a suitcase it opens up he opens it up and while there's everybody's kind of getting ready in the courtroom right like Like he gets there early. He puts his, puts his, um, the briefcase down and he's got a file in his hand. And he's, as he's talking to like the bailiff is supposed to be watching over all the stuff and U.S. attorneys there and there are the, sorry, the state attorneys there because these was mostly state.

He takes the, uh, he puts in front of, he puts the envelope in front of the gun and he slips it off the table into the briefcase. And then he put, then he bends over and puts his. his envelope in the briefcase and picks up his briefcase like i was just like he was just putting his briefcase down does it right in front of everybody and walks out of the courtroom what like he goes and hands the briefcase to like his secretary or something and says bring this get get rid of this and she walks off with it and so 45 minutes to an hour later when they're all sitting there talking they've got the detective on the on the stand and as he's as he's interviewing the detective or whatever you want you know cross-examining the detective

the detective was yep that's right yeah yeah and that's when i found the gun he's like what gun he was like and he goes well that's when i found the gun over there and then the the u.s. attorney says you know your honor you know please note that you know exhibit number 105 is the you know the the weapon that was used and they go to look over at the weapon and it's not there and he goes your honor where's the gun. And the U.S. attorneys, I mean, sorry, the district attorney looks around and the lawyer looks around. He goes, yeah, where is the gun? And they go, they walk over and they're like, where? And they start looking around for it and looking. He's like, he's like, your honor. I mean, if there's no gun, we're not going to be talking about finding a gun. Like, if we don't have a gun, we shouldn't be talking about finding a gun on my client that we don't have. Where is this gun? I've never seen a gun. We have photographs of the gun. We have it. And he's like, well, I. don't see the gun. How do we know that's the same gun that we have ballistics? Well, how do we know that? Where's the gun? I'd like to test the gun. And immediately, it becomes

fucking chaos. The state attorney starts screaming, you got rid of the gun. Where how did I get rid of the gun? I walked in here with you. The bailiff's watching. Like, when did that happen? What do you think? How dare you? You know, I mean, the story is like, they have one story like that after another. Like, these guys were notorious. So they didn't get it back. It wasn't like a ploy. They just completely got rid of it. Oh, it's gone.

He stole the gun. So now, guess what? We're either throwing out any, any discussion about a gun being found on my client, which was the only thing that connected him to the murders. Oh, okay. I was waiting for a tieback like you to come in and say,

here, this is what I've done with it. Evans could be tampered with them. They just completely got rid of them. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the whole case was thrown out or he took a lesser plea or something like that. like there was and there was a reason he had done that yeah but these guys were over the top just correct like they'd been disbarred got their license back i mean they were they were drug addicts like they were like they were just horrific and there was a there was a book that

i'd read where they were in it it was it was it was hilarious they they brought up in instagram called pot brothers law oh yeah i was supposed to interview those guys oh they look funny as shit what do you you doing i mean not discussing my day they tell you like how to talk to cops or what right yeah what's the the big one that blew them up was it shut the fuck up or something like that or something it was like a tagline that they had oh yeah yeah talking to the cops i can't remember what it was it's funny yeah stop telling on yourself right like um are they in florida no they're in there i think they're in california and i was supposed i scheduled them and then one of them got sick

like sick COVID or something and so we were supposed to reschedule I just never rescheduled I mean we we just never scheduled it yeah that'd be that'd be funny yeah you know the problem is when you do those types of like they have a following and then you know it a lot of times I'll do those those where I think you know they're funny or whatever but for some reason they just don't they don't typically do like that might they may do great like you know the FBI agent I just I just talked to to Tom Simmons or Sims yes Simmons I think it's Simmons Tom Simmons he's an investigator he is 25 years with with the FBI he's got a huge following on Instagram I did a video with him I think he got 30 or 40,000 views like a great video right great I remember thinking it's pro I think it did well because he came here yeah a lot of these guys that have these great Instagram um followings you know you'll do an i'll do something with them and they don't do anything i don't know why i don't know if it's a crossover issue but the fbi i agent he did well i think like a good

criminal attorney would do well like i really i just did one i want to i want to interview my own attorney at some what listen i just did an an interview with a guy who's been a criminal defense attorney for like 30 years in miami oh yeah that's big of He was, I will genuinely be depressed if it doesn't do well because he was that good. It was three hours and he could have gone for another three hours. This is a guy, he's, I mean, he takes on a case. He goes to Mexico to investigate. He took on a case one time for like, you know, human trafficking.

And the guy was like, yeah, there's like, there were like three prostitutes that the, government was saying was under the age of 18 and he said they weren't they're not they're all over 18 so he goes to uh to vietnam to find them and bring them back to the united states and this is he's like this is a name's a town he's like there's no roads in this town there's no street roads like they're dirt roads there's no street names he's the guy didn't have street names he didn't have a brothel he didn't have cell phones he didn't have nothing this guy spends three weeks there i think it was almost a month before he had actually found them and got them back to the United States.

I am. Yeah, listen, and that's just one story. He had one story after another after another. Oh, yeah, you know that they're going to have a bunch. I mean, I know my lawyer talked to me one time he had to go, I think the Israel or I forget it was it was some more way out of the country for one because they had some people that, uh, they were charging with like suspected, uh, assistant to terrorism or what I don't remember the exact charge, but they were

trying to time to terrorism and. I mean, he just got, I'd love to interview him. I haven't asked him yet, but I'd love to like sit down and see it back and interview him like on his career, but then also like on my case and just kind of get his perspective of it. And I think that's what I want to do because at some point people will hear me tell my story. I want to start interviewing people that was involved with it. Right. You know, and then save it and kind of do like a little mini docu series or something like that. I was going to say you could one, you could cut it up and two, you could

put it into a playlist yeah you know um and then but really you could try and almost cut it up into like it that could end up being like a three hour oh yeah podcast where you're telling your story and then as you get to my lawyer and then you play bits and pieces of that interview yeah um and then my investigators already told me that he would do it one of the one that lives in new york he come down and done all the forensics because there was another huge case that was going on at the same time about a jeweler that they were charging with his wife's murder it was it was a really interesting case they found her hanging by garden hose and a fence and it's like the property is this real peculiar you would have to see the property to kind of get what I'm talking about but

allegedly they went there she was going to go through the gate to go into where their property was to use the bathroom and the the story is that somehow I know the she tripped she fell she got tangled up in the hose and she basically hung herself um and that they didn't charge the guy for almost a year now it started coming out that they had just left her previous husband's grave she was drunk or had been drinking she was also on drugs so that was like kind of leading to her maybe falling and getting tangled up somewhere or another and maybe not necessarily hanging but passed out something along those lines maybe she was she fell where it restricted her airway a year later they come back and charge this guy

and the lawyer that he got was the lawyer that i had and there's a scene i'll try to see if i can find it and and send it to you to where it was like one of the key things that that helped them was he was like if he strangled or somewhere else and then tried to proposition her back up on the fence to make it look like that there was some hair like intertwined around one of the the the lengths and the fence and they was like you know what if he'd have thought to do that and he in the courtroom he takes this garden hose and puts it around his neck and pulls it and squeezes the shit out of his neck i forgot the point of where he was going with it but i mean it was it was really interesting and that guy got a a hung jury and so far the county hasn't refiled charges they

said they were but as a right now they haven't because that was going on while mine was going on but his was actually in trial and the investigator was here for that and so he said it'll be a little bit cheaper if he can come out and do your stuff now why he's already here you don't have to pay his flight hotels and all that and so i had to come up with the money to get him to come out here and do all the forensics at my house but i'd like he he would he would be a good interview too right oh he's got to have a ton of stories oh yeah he does he was heavily involved with the slager case where the officer shot the guy a lot of times in the back that happened here in charleston That's how he met Andy. Andy seen a seminar that he did. He contacted him.

You know, he was in New York and was like, hey, I need you down here for this case. And then every since then they've just steady work together because he's like, nobody right down here does what you do to the level that you do it at. And so any forensics that he ever needs, he always calls that guy to come down here and do it. And it's fun, that that that's how that relationship started and it's still there. And as long as Andy practices law, I'm sure he'll come back. do you still talk to your uh i mean on a regular basis do you ever talk to him just every night and then yeah like you know holidays or whatever throw him something he's got a season

tickets to the panthers so i hit him up uh this year before the season started he gave me uh four of his tickets to a preseason game yeah i should try to get some of that money back yeah just trying to get you know i don't want to ask for the thursday night game i know those a little pricey but if you can throw a preseason or something my way he's a good dude though he's he lives on the ritzier side of town so i don't see him much but uh over here with the holly folk yeah he's a cool guy and i he's very charismatic i don't know if you i'll try to find that thing and send it to you and it's what i think a typical lawyer like criminal defense attorney would be he's very brash to the point he can i can see

we're in a courtroom like i never had to go to court but i can see we're like in a full blown courtroom setting he would just be amazing to watch right like you he's a might and that's what everybody was saying like he's a maestro in the courtroom the way it really things it really is theater yeah it's a performance that's why when they were trying to see if they wanted to like kind of start moving on my case they said do you want to do anything through Skype or zoom and he was like no that's not how I operate I go in a courtroom and so that's one of the reasons that my shit took so long but I can see that he's he's very much like a theater he's in there doing this thing but

I mean it's it's come I thank God I didn't have to go through it through my own but I was like I would love to go and sit in on a court case and watch this guy do his thing yeah I was gonna say he he it's like me saying no no I'm better off flying out there and doing it in person he knows he's better off he's better in person oh yeah yeah 100 you can't because his his movements his theatrics the way he operates you that sometimes that don't convey you can't get that in this little box here you can't put the the whole charisma and everything you can't you can't do it and he even i mean he even had to judge like kind of snark at him at my bond hearing like it was it was pretty funny i mean i i i told wade the uh well wade more way than you

she just came in um all right so well i hope to see you again yeah listen i can't wait keep in mind too your your thumb your face is going to be on that thumbnail too i know my face is on another thumbnail you put up uh not too long ago they had to be me you and joey yeah maybe i could put joey's face on uh on a guy with like two guns or something oh boy okay all right

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Let me, let me do. Let me wrap this up. Hold on. All right. Do you do you want to do one too? So you. Yeah. What is this?

It's always get confused. There's this intro or outro because we're doing. I'm going to do. I'm going to, I just have to do an outro because we don't really do an intro. or we just have the name come up i'm banking that people go this far though i always do man in the the beginning all right hold on one second let me do this hold on all right hey i appreciate you guys watching the video do me a favor if you liked it please subscribe is this i feel like that's that's okay hey i really appreciate you guys watching the video if you like the video

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