Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Stealing $120 Million From The Government | Chris Marrero

Episode Date: August 10, 2024

Stealing $120 Million From The Government | Chris Marrero

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I mean, I'm with you. I'm with you. I like it. I feel like it's illegal, but I'm okay with that. And I'm a solid guy, Matt. I didn't have to turn anybody in, yo. No, you went to trial. I'm a solid guy, Matt.

How did that work out? Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm doing an interview today with actually a guy that I know from Coleman Federal Prison. We were in the same unit. He was actually roommates with John Boziak, and he has a super unique story, and you really need to watch this because it's, it's a very, it's a very interesting. and unique story about you got to watch this. All right, let's just... Let's start at the beginning, bro. Like, where were you born?

I was born in New York City. Actually, this is what happened. Fidel Castro came into Cuba in January of 1959. And my father could see the writing of the wall what's happening. And they decided that I was not going to be born in Cuba.

I was going to, you know, they wanted to go to New York because my mother was an American, and my father was Cuban. He was in Havana. He was a law student. And it's funny how they met. He was dating a woman named Ida, who I'll tell you later, who she became, but Ida was dating him and she had to go to New York. This was during the, you know, when the mafia had the, you know, casinos and stuff. And it was, it was a party town. and um batista was the pre was the pre was the cubaida this is before fidel fidel right and um so

she had to go to new york and she asked my her friend who was my mother gina to you know watch her apartment and she said that her boyfriend would probably come over and uh you know apparently he did because here I am so they started to uh you know entangle with each other I guess and um one thing led to another and they got married so anyway he uh once Castro came in he decided you know they both decided to guess that I would be born New York City so that's why I'm an American but um they went back to Cuba after I was born in New York and um they You know, things just weren't getting any better. They could see things were kind of getting bad.

So they moved to Puerto Rico. And that's why I lived till they got divorced. I think I was like four or five. But I didn't speak English. I was like seven. And my mother, she lost custody of me because she had opened up, which in 1963 women didn't do this, she opened up a gay bar. In 1963, which women didn't do.

You know, this is in 1960s. In Puerto Rico? Yeah, in Puerto Rico. And so because of that, she had lost custody of me. It was not something the women did. And the judge, you know, the judge and, of course, didn't look favor upon that at the time. So custody was given to my grandmother, who my mother felt she was being screwed. So when she was given the weekend or whatever to have, you know, visitation with me, she actually kidnapped me from Puerto Rico, went to New York, and I didn't see my father until I was 18 again.

So, I mean, he searched for me for seven years, but he couldn't find me. Plus, he had the language barrier. So what she did was, I guess we lived in New York in her apartment for a couple of years. But eventually I went to live with my cousins in Long Island. And, you know, I ended up going to school. I failed first grade because I didn't speak English. I didn't know anything of what was going on. I failed first grade.

Did you? Because I was stupid. You were dyslexic. I said, dyslexia. My brothers and sisters said, I used to tell them I'm a learned disability. And they go, yeah, stupidity. Yeah, well, I did. had the language's ability. This is way for ESL. What is it? English as a Sank of language, ESL stuff.

Right. So it was, I learned basically English by watching TV. You know, I dream of Jeannie, Gentle Bend, Octari, and all the, you know, Batman Superman shows, basically. Because no one sat me down and, you know, this is what you say when you say English, no. So anyway, I live with my cousins for about two years and live with And then I was moved to my grandmother in Connecticut in a place called West Cornwall, Connecticut, a little itty-bitty town. And she had changed my name from Marrero to Goddard, so he couldn't find me. So she was married to Neville Goddard Jr. I don't know if you know the name Neville Godder. He's on YouTube a lot.

He's into manifestations and, you know, estoteric stuff. But if you look him up on YouTube, you know. He's there. I mean, he's been dead a long time, but they got all his teachings there. But she was married to his son. So she gave me his name when I was growing up. My mother was not meant to be a mother. I mean, she, she was, you know, she was an actress and a singer. And I remember that. And I mean, yeah. I sent you a picture of her, right? Yeah. Yeah. But I remember you talking about her being an actress. what a myth I mean she had no idea about business she was just a wreck I mean from

I mean she smoke and drank which you know which was a like a like a free spirit sorry excuse me like a like a free spirit wreck or like a like an angry no no no she wasn't angry she was just any success she would start to get

she would sabotage her own ups you know okay she um and she didn't have a firm grasp of reality at all i mean as as i was growing when i finally did move with her i'll tell you later when i was like 14 or so 13 um she uh was constantly saying she was going to have a you know go back to hollywood and do a talk show with sophia loren and this and that and it was oh god it was just a nightmare to live with this every fucking day and um anyway she uh she was not meant to be a mother she was also a blackwood madam you know she had a she was a madam i remember this i remember you talking about this yeah and um she knew a lot of uh like a low level uh i was just saying low level but low lower on the

known level of actors, you know, like, you know, Larry Gates, who was in the body snatchers, and, you know, she was supposed to marry Steve Allen at one time, believe it or not. And she knew Orson Wells and a whole bunch of people, but she never could make it as an actress. I mean, it's a very tough business. Yeah. Very tough. And she says she was a good singer. She could sing. but man there was no you know AGT at the time you know

it was hard to make it I wanted to let you guys know that I have a Patreon account if you're interested in joining the Patreon account it's got three tiers the top tier you actually get a different con man painting every single month if you're already joined and you're already supporting me I really appreciate that if you haven't joined yet and you're interested in joining I'm going to leave the contact information for Patreon in the description. Thank you very much for watching the video. But anyway, she moved me to West Cornel, Connecticut to live my grandmother, and I lived there for about five years. And I didn't have my father. I didn't have my mothers. And I have no brothers and sisters. So I

had nobody. And basically, my grandmother worked seven days a week. She worked five days a week at the welfare department and two days at the Emporium coffee shop flipping burgers. So I just basically raised myself you know i wasn't um i had some friends you know we hang around and stuff but i had nobody like at home you know what i mean right so um you're like a latchkey kid yeah basically come home and there was nobody there she had 25 cats though and two dogs and my mother had bought me a horse to kind of compensate her not being there so um that's a lot of cats. It's a lot of cats, too. They were indoor and outdoor cats, but I, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't, I can't complain. It wasn't a bad childhood. I did a lot of fishing, you know, it was a great place. I didn't

happen to get all of this. I didn't have a bike at first, you know, you know how kids always have a bike. And, you know, I was there from, like, the age of, I think, nine, 10, 11, 12, whatever, eight whatever and um one christmas she buys me a pujou 10 speed bike but says that i can't write it till i'm 16 so she brings it to connecticut gives me your mom my mom okay and then and then brings it back to new york at 16 you want a car you don't want a fucking pujou 10 speed right i mean she'd visit me once a year you know more or less you know she was not she was not she was never made to be a mother at all. But she was trying to put off-Broadway shows together and all this other bullshit she was trying to do. You know, she'd come up to visit me with

a director. His name was Emilio Brutzo. He was an Italian guy. He was a director and whatever. You know, the next thing that happened, there was a major thing in my life. The house burned down. It was an electrical fire in the house. And I woke up at five in the morning. And there was smoke throughout the house. And I tried to go down the staircase and it was just a just the smoke coming up. And I could see all the cats are basically dead already. And I, you know, banged on her door, said, look, we got to get up. We got to get out of here.

Luckily, she had just rented the lower part on the, you know, behind the house to a guy named Nathan who was able to put a ladder up so I could get out. but what happened was when she went to get out from the upper stair down he opened the door to the bottom of the um the downstairs and the flames came up and reached to her and she fell off the ladder broke back and got all burnt it was a mess and uh she ended up being in the hospital for quite a while and i end up living with some friends from school for i don't know a year or so and And my mother didn't visit me for that, you know. All the dogs got killed, the cats got killed, but the horse was fine, you know. He was outside. But I used to have a paper out also back then. I delivered, you know, five in the morning, the Waterbury Republican, you know, do it on the weekends on horseback.

So it was kind of cool. On the horseback? Yeah, it was kind of pony expressious. Bro, how old are you? I was 11. 11 that time. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles

with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for $5.00 plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. 1112. So after that, my mother finally gets some. money from her mother who had saved money. She was in Vaudeville way back, you know, vaudeville on the 20s. So she had saved up the money and she was going to live with us in a place called Wilton, Connecticut. And she rented this beautiful house on a lake that was owned at the time

by Lillian and Russell Hoban, who were cartoonists. They did cartoon things for kids, books, right? And they were going through Europe. So the house was being rented. at the time for like a thousand bucks which this is nineteen seventy three roughly so this is i guess the market price isn't at that time so we moved there and my i call him my stepfather but he was never married to my mother's name is bill solon bill was a brilliant guy a really brilliant guy he'd gotten a scholarship to harvard university in 1959 now the way the scholarships were There are two, one for male, Harvard, and the other one for female, Ratcliffe. And he won in 1959.

So this guy was really brilliant, but he was a bit of a savant. He couldn't drive. All he wanted to do was handicapped race horses. And he had been in the CIA, right? So he's smart as a whip. CIA grabs him up, and I had always asked him, you know, what did you do in the CIA? And he said, basically, I would brief bomber pilots before they'd blown on their buying rates during Vietnam. But all his friends were Air America, you know.

And I don't know if you know what Air America is. They would bring in all the drugs into the country through the CIA. Right. So I learned later. I didn't know then at 12 years old. So, but I learned later, all his friends were basically Air America guys. So this is what he said. happened to me at the age 1213. Get a little of this. He's a massive gambler. Didn't hold a job other

than bartending every now and all his money would go to, you know, bet on horses. So my mother would work as a waitress, whatever, and I would work too. I was working as a dishwasher at a place called the Chaucer House in Maryland stuff. But anyway, what happened was, The circle of friends he ran around with was a guy named Bob Settner, Jack Harrington, Jackie Kilcullen, and a guy named Manic Gambino. Okay. Now, all of them were in debt, bad debt. And Manic Gambino was kind of like the black sheep of the family, I guess, for the Gambino family. And he said, he came up with the idea, why don't we do this?

Look, let's say. that you guys kidnap me and then what we'll do is we'll ask the family for money. You know, we'll blackmail the family. And they thought it's a great idea.

Seems like a good idea. What could go wrong? So they start with the letters and the phone calls and, you know, this is 1973-ish, something like that. I don't forget the date, but so they started in

with that, and to make a long story short, what happens is two weeks later, Mani Gambino was found in the trunk of a car to LaGuardia airport with it. You know, he's shot to death. So I don't understand. What do you mean

shot to death? I thought they kidnapped him. Oh, they kidnapped him, but he ends up in the trunk of a car in LaGuardia. They were his friend. He came up with the idea. So would the family not want to pay to get? No, something happened. Something else happened. We don't know. Now, years later, in investigating what, you know, what happened, two things happened. One thing is a guy named Eddie O'Brien was said to have killed Mani Gamino,

which doesn't make sense because O'Brien is Irish and Camino, of course, Italian. So I don't know where the connection was there. That's one article. And it said that John Gotti had killed O'Brien. That's why he got to be the head of the family, right? The second thing is, I heard, I'm not her, but read, that Bob Setner had actually killed Manny Gameen over an argument. Whatever, I don't know, I was 12, 13, whatever it is.

So my mother was always ushering me out of the, out of the living room to get away from the TV because, you know, it was all lower the place. It was on TV. It was, you know, on the news and whatever. So he gets eventually sentenced, Bill does, to three years in prison, does a year and a half at Allenwood Penitentiary up in Pennsylvania. Now, I went to visit him one time, and I remember penitentiaries were not like the way they are now. he said that he couldn't walk past this yellow line and at the time penitentiaries are not like that today

so it must have been kind of I think like a campish kind of thing a low a camp I don't know what it was but that's what I remember at the time I you know I was in the medium and they have a it's you know you've heard the song like walking the line so I mean and there's basically like in the medium there was a red line in certain spots, you just couldn't pass it. Like this is someplace inmates don't go past this line. It's funny at the time.

He was in prison with the Watergate guys, Magruder, E. Howard Hunt. Nice. All of those guys. And E. Howard Hunt, I don't know if you know, if you've studied the JFK assassination, he was part of that too. He was deep inside of that. Let's speak with you. let's take what so so anyway he gets he gets sentenced to three years and does a year and a half um so did

uh jack harrington and uh bob setner gets sentenced to 15 years does three years and they try to poison him in prison supposedly with hot cocoa so i don't know who tried to poison him but the mob i guess somehow but um bob sentner was always good to me i mean he always got me rock concert tickets and stuff it was you know i love the guy he was great i mean he got me kiss tickets and aerosmith tickets and you know he earth went and fire everything i wanted to see he would get it so he was cool to me so from then bill gets out and um we have to move because actually my what my mom did was uh to kind of hide me was she uh was able to like smash the car collect some insurance and she immediately put me in an eastern military academy and hunting in

Long Island so I lived on this it was the former estate of Otto Kahn who was a big you know like Council for relations guy kind of like a rough Machiafella kind of guy but um he uh he he I guess he sold his place to this uh you know the military academy and we I was living there for a year. But she couldn't pay it all the time. So, I mean, she ran out of money. And so they kind of kicked me out. We ended up being homeless in New York in the wintertime, which is fucking freezing,

if you don't know. We were living in a car and a rambler in the station wagon. And so then she, I don't know how she did it, but she got more money and was able to put me back. so I lived I continued living there at the there at the military school so then the year was up my cousin was there too he went rich his name was Richard he was the most obnoxious asshole you could ever meet I mean even his sisters um who my cousins Lorraine and Allison couldn't take him I mean we all kind of said look when we grew up we don't ever want to talk to this fucking asshole again richard is not going to be part of our life in any way he's just paul paul who

paul what cackalotica puss what's his name pa in prison the name sounds familiar with the bald head he was there for kidnapping somebody what about him was he more obnoxious than him oh yeah oh yeah geez this guy was in time paul was Oh, super. Yeah, no, Richard was too much. Way worse? Yeah, oh, yeah, way worse.

So, go ahead. No, go ahead. Like, when do you graduate high school? Like, when, you know, you're... Oh, I'm not even there yet. Right, right. Okay. We moved around because she thought,

the way they were thinking was the mob was that had come and kill us. I mean, she didn't know what the hell was going to happen. So she had to get rid of me. like put me in school, put me somewhere where nobody knew who I really was or whatever, you know. Because my name was still got her. It wasn't Marrero, you know. Right. So, and my father was still looking for me.

I don't know. He gave up after seven years. I don't know. I guess he wasn't looking for me anymore. But from there, we went to New Jersey. We lived in Bergen County, New Jersey, a place called Westwood. boring god was horrible and i remember um let's see the exorcist had just come out then how old were you then man the exorcist uh exorcist um 1974 five oh it'd have been five

five or six yeah and from after that let's see we moved from uh paul bill was getting out so we were he had to be next to a race track so we moved to laurel maryland because they hold a preakness there you know it's a public race track so we moved to laurel maryland and i got a job as a dishwasher at a restaurant my mother got a job as a waitress and um so he couldn't you know do his gambling and he uh i don't know he's back just to move back real quick. There was a place in between, I don't know where it was, if it was Laurel aware, where he had supposed to have been taking this money from this guy to bet on these particular horses. And he didn't bet on those horses. He bet on his own horses, right? And the horse won. And the other guy's horse won. And so we had to fucking get out of town again. It was crazy, man. It was just, it's hard to have any kind of high school or, or any kind of school when you're constantly, like, leaving because the mob's after you or somebody's

after you. So, and anyway, I think that's how we ended up in Laurel, Maryland. And I ended up there for a while, and I was, I think, 16 by now, 17, something like that. And my mother wanted to take me to Europe, right? So we were going to go to Europe, and we were all excited. I was going to take my classes early. all my all my you know tests and everything and everything was going to be cool well at the last minute she couldn't go she had enough money to do it so i took what little money i had which was

five hundred dollars at the time and i went to europe so she she had already bought the tickets she could she couldn't get a refund so i said look i took my classes early my my test early I told everybody in my classes I'm going to Europe I got to go to freaking Europe so I have a backpack and I go to Europe and I go for six weeks

and I backpack all through London I went to a heather airport I went to London for a while I saw the Queen Silver Jubilee and from there I went to Dover took the whatever the boat is

to Calais France and from there I went to Monaco, Monaco, I mean, Paris first. And then I went to Monaco and Monty Carlo. It's the first time I ever saw naked women on a beach. I was like, yeah, I like this place. This is fucking cool. Free internet. Way pre internet.

And then, let's see, what happened? I went to Spain, Italy, ran out of money in Italy. Funny as things is she had a friend in, in Rome named Cesare Rotandi who was able to give me money to get back to England to get my plane you know to get

back home but I took an interrail pass you know took a train around you know those countries and then made it back home took the wrong flight home but at least I got home and it was quite a trip

and when I got back it was all right around see yeah it was uh july i got back and the next month elvis presley died august 1997 i'm sure that had nothing to do with you no i wouldn't feel bad about it so then we were totally out of money in every way i mean bill wasn't working she couldn't continue working it wasn't willing work or something and she would just kept on doing this you know if i were only in California and I could do this show and constantly, you know, Sophia Loren and this and that, whatever. And I said, look, you know what? Do your thing. I'm going to get the job of the

chemical racetrack. And I became a hot walker for about six months, eight months. I quit school and became a hot walker. And a hot walker is the guy who walks the horses when they come off the racetrack, you know, if they've been exercising in the morning. So you're up from a five in the morning and you're exercising the horses until the race starts, I think, like 12 o'clock, one o'clock, whatever it is. And then you take those horses and you walk them. And you're freaking walking all day long. Every day, it's exhausting until 6 o'clock at night. And I was living right there on the racetrack above the horses. And there was nothing in the room but me and a cot with a bottle lamp. It was a huge room. And so I just, I did that for about, I don't know, six months,

seven months until the school year started again. And then I went back to school and they decided they're going to move because they were just broke completely. She was going to keep her promise that the letter that she had sent to my grandmother back when I was four saying you're going to meet him And again, when he's 18, I was just about returning 18, so they decided to move to South Florida. So I met my father, where they came down here, and I met my father when I was 18. And I had long hair and glasses, man. I was like in my Led Zeppelin days, you know what I'm saying? If you guys didn't know, I also do paintings.

And if you're interested in a painting, I'm going to leave my contact information. in the description beneath the video back to the video so he was like bald and never never you know had seen me before you know last time he saw me all is four or five years old and so first thing I did was get a haircut you know and get contact lenses because I had glasses at the time you know and big thick glasses and so we were trying to assimilate our relationship a little bit and just I guess you know get it together a little bit but it was it was working but it wasn't working you know what I mean it was like we were so different in certain ways you know I was more Americanized he was more

Cuban he was you know he had a rough time learning English big real rough time and um you know so he had been remarried to a girl named Lily And Lily had come from a very high-end family in Columbia. Her father had started Avianca Airlines. And he died really young when he was like 35, something like that, a heart attack. And the uncle stole the business from her and her mother and left him basically penniless. So that's another story. I don't really know all of it about.

but um back to ida real quick ida had married a guy named tito puente which you don't know the name if you're not spanish but tito puente was a big band leader and he wrote the song ohio comova by uh you know centana did it ohio comova maybe yeah yeah yeah so he had written that song and a few others but he was a big band leader so she married him and uh you know she was like a real good friend of man to me and she you know she i call her all the time for prison she ended up dying while i was in prison but she was in her 80s but uh you know my mother died early my mother died when i got when they when she came down here she died when she was like 56 i was 21 i did some modeling at the

time you know made her i remember that you didn't you weren't you a model or something like that or yeah i was a model i was trying to study acting and stuff but Acting one for me, I didn't like it as much. I like screenwriting. I took a two-year course from a Hollywood script writing institute and how to write motion pictures, and I liked it a lot better. It's just getting it financed after that is really, you know, the hard stuff. But, you know, it is what it is.

But writing was kind of, it was fun. I liked it, but I just haven't kept up. I had like 13 screenplays, but I lost most of them. A friend of mine, Marcella, she has, I think like, five of them that she was able to keep you know but um but that's it you know when i was 21 let's see i uh when i was 20 actually uh lilly got me a job of the omni hotel working at a disco disco was hot at that time i mean 1979 80 yeah disco was pumping dude i mean Saturday night live had just come out with uh you know John Travolta and whatever and Donna summer was hot man

It was fun and the women were beautiful and freaking gordon. You know, it was just, you know, the 80s were the 80s. But you were in Miami. Yeah, I was in Miami now. And discovering women, you know, really for the first time, you know, and it was fun. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, they're a lot of fun. So, yeah.

So then what, so what happened then? What was the first time, come on, you got in trouble? Oh, that isn't until I'm a 28. Well, let me build up to that. Okay. All right. So disco is pumping, and then it's not. It's like it went up and boom, one day they got rid of the, the place I worked at was a place called Scaramouche.

I was the laser light operator. and it became a comedy club. It's like dead. Everything was dead after, let's see, it was 1982. And I got a hot dog cart and I sold hot dogs for four years from 1980. I remember this. I remember you saying the hot dog card. And then there was an issue with like where you were at or something or they did the license or something.

They changed the laws and they made it so you had to constantly. move the hot dog cart around which was impossible was the thousand pound machine you can't do that at night you know i was i was there at night and i sold in front of a place called casanovas which was a you know a disco it continued on as as a nightclub and um i would sold i would sell from five uh from uh eleven o'clock at night to five o'clock in the morning so there was nothing open i mean if you come right out of the disco you have to you know you're starving you want to not have to go to Denny's and pay a tip and all that stuff. You get a quick hot dog in the soda and you go home.

So I did that for four years. And I don't know if you know South Florida at all, but at the time, there was no I-75. There was no five-95. There was no sawgrass mall. There was no, the only thing out in the certain part of the west, there was only a C.B. Smith Park and a place called a Sportatorium. So everything else was a place that you could. You go to go mudding, which is like, you know, you take a motorcycle out and, you know, you have a phone and all that.

And I would go out there one time a week and sell hot dogs and, you know, sell out and then go back and do casanova's at night. So what happened was I had developed, I was made like 35,000 a year roughly, not that much, but it was not good, I guess, at that time. And I'd gotten a truck on credit. But then my stepmother needed to come. She wanted a car. So I signed a car for her. So she got a car. Then two friends of mine need a vehicle.

They said, can you help me get a vehicle? So I helped another one get a Honda CRX. This is a straw man. This is what they're helping a straw man scam. No, no, no, no. That's not to do with that. No, I close. No, not a straw man.

But when you start financing vehicles for other people in your name, because you have good credit, they call that a straw man scan. Yeah, but it's not the Starman thing you're thinking of that I will explain to you. And the other guy wanted a Ninja 600 motorcycle. So you've got four cars and a bike in your name. Yeah, so I got my truck. My stepmother Lily, she got a VW cabriolet at the time, which was a cool car, a Honda CRXSI and a Ninja 600 motorcycle. now something happened to everybody's life at one point another where they can't afford to pay these things

so it would end up back in my lap and so now i'm i'm you know i'm losing a the business because i'm a i've been doing it for four years and i'm tired and they're changing the laws on me so i guess it's time we move on and i had already been doing foreclosures for a while in real estate i i knew foreclosures really well and what do you mean doing foreclosures uh finding property i had been finding properties with a guy named julio gonzalez for about a couple years and we had in one year we we did 14 houses you know that he bought and and but he fucked me out of all of them because i didn't know enough to get an attorney and get a contract and then you know i was still young it was 20, 21, 22, 23, something of that.

But, um, learned a lot. But, uh, with foreclosures, I had learned when a property is really not being occupied, it's really left. The people have gone. And this other guy latched on to me. His name was Abner Arcey. And he just, he didn't know what I knew. And he just fucked it up.

And he was driving. Oh. I also had a BMW at the time. I forgot to tell you that. Those five guys. So, anyway, what we would do is, what I was doing anyway was I could find the foreclosures in the list-pennant stage.

In Florida, there's list-pennant default and final judgment. So I find them in a list-pennant stage. The new BMO, V.I. Porter, MasterCard, is your ticket to more. more perks more points more flights more of all the things you want in a travel rewards card and then some get your ticket to more with the new bemo v i porter master card and get up to $2,400 in value in your first 13 months terms and conditions apply visit bemo.com slash the i porter to learn more i would do my due diligence to try and find the person but if i couldn't find them

they were either dead or they went back to Columbia or they were whatever I would jimmy the door open it see how badly it was inside do main minor repairs or fixes and put it for rent so that does not sound illegal at all so if you collect first last in security you know let's say you rent is whatever 800 a month and you know time is three you know you do 10 of them a month you're pulling in pretty good you know right now to other people's houses i mean i'm with you i'm with you i like it i feel like it's illegal but i'm okay with that go ahead so how'd that work so abner did not know and i you know i would tell him what properties are good which you're not and you don't fuck

with a property that's very nicely done and repaired and he did and he got us in trouble because he was driving my car everything led back to me so that was the first thing um because he i i wasn't sentenced to anything but probation because i'd never done anything before you know i didn't i'm not into drugs and alcohol and all that bullshit i don't i don't smoke i don't drink i don't do alcohol in drugs i mean so none of that was my thing um so i was getting probation for i think it was two years and um after that let's see what was the next thing i did what does it see 25 years 25 years went by and a friend of mine Jose had hooked me up with a property foreclosure in hidden bay which is adventura which is on the top floor

it was going to foreclosures it was 40th floor floor, could see the ocean, could see the bay and everything. And one day he says, you know, I got this guy who does what's, you know, the checks for corporations and for multiple corporations, it's a company called ADP or something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. They do payroll taxes. And they always have a surplus of cash.

he said they don't need it I got my guy on the inside he says he can write you a check all you got to do is cash it and we uh you know we split whatever so

I try that and I get busted because the checks are too big I think each check was like 40 No, the $20,000 and $20,000 was two checks. Are you going to cash him? Yeah, he wanted me to catch him at a check cashing place. I said, okay.

I'd rather have deposited my account, but he wanted to do it at the cash check check cashing place. So anyway, I get busted and I. So I understand, like when you say you get busted, did the cops show up? Like, are you sitting there waiting for your cash and the cops will get in and grab you? Yeah, check cashing place called the cops right away. you believe that couldn't believe it and i was charged with uttering yeah so i do let's see because i hadn't done anything in 25 years you know so i did uh what i do a year of probation

but uh during that time i had oh man i didn't tell you about the d tc oh that's a great one all right Let me tell you about the DTC. What does DTC mean? Depository Trust Company. They're in New York City. They're at 55 Water Street. They're in the same building you actually get you QSIP numbers from. Okay.

We'll talk about that. How's that? Well, they do settlements for multi-million dollar, you know, countries and companies around the world. I mean, into the quadrillion dollars, all right? but what we had gotten was the actual routing number to their account and what you do is you take the back of the social right and on the back of the social has a letter and eight numbers and that letter is a routing number to a federal reserve bank the letters i mean the numbers are an account so what we did was what i did was actually was take the numbers from the number from the bank the numbers i mean the numbers are an account So what we did was, what I did was actually, was take the numbers from the back of my social, put it as the account number with the routing number of the DTC. You can look up DTC.

It's, they're huge. So when I, how did you know to do this and why did you think like what, what gave you the inclination to look at your social security card and just decide, hey, I think that this is a routing number to an account or a bank. Like, why did you think that? What? Well, it's on the Internet. You can look it up. The writing number is on your back.

You look on the back of the social, and it'll give you the list of all the Federal Reserve banks that they are. Okay, what I'm saying to you is, why did you think that? Did you just suddenly, bam, it just bopped your head? No, we had those sovereignty conference calls all the time. Okay, so it was a sovereignty. You skipped that. So, so, so this is the sovereign citizen.

What is a sovereign citizen? Well, it's either you're an economic slave or you're a, you know, sovereign to the government. You either are an economic slave or you're not. I mean, you got to, it's where you're elite, you want your allegiance to be. See, if you're a U.S. citizen, the U.S. is actually a federal corporation. If you look up the United States foot title 28, section 30002, subsection 15A, says the United States is a corporation. And you being a citizen of it makes you an employee of that corporation. Believe it or not.

So you don't want to be that. It makes you a slave within the system. It's like being a slave to McDonald's. You know, it's not where you want to be. So you want to be separate and a sovereign from that. But anyway, let me tell you what happened with the DTC. So I made out of checks, and the checks dude would clear like that. I wrote my friend Adrian Hines a check for $10,000 on a Friday night.

By Saturday morning, 9 o'clock, it cleared. I was like, what the fuck? And, but the thing, we were doing ACH for cars, you know, paying the cars off ACH. And what does that mean ACA? Means it's done over the phone. They don't actually get the check or anything like that. You're doing it over the phone through ACH. Right.

They actually create their own check. Yeah. So. Because this is a long time ago. You know, you don't do that now. Like, but I remember. It's 2005, roughly. Right.

So, like, I used to have a lease. payment with like Audi right um it was actually that it was Volkswagen it was Audi it was for my Audi but it was through Volkswagen because Volkswagen owns Audi at that time and they would like if it was due on the first like they didn't have the check by the first they'd call me up and say hey do you want to just pay it over the phone and I'd say yes and all I had to do was say was given my routing number and everything they kept it on file and they'd call me back on like the third or second or third and say hey and what I realized was they were just creating a check and doing a phone verification for my, my signature,

and then they were depositing it because I hadn't mailed the check yet. So because that's what you're talking about as far as that. So you were making these check, but you're doing it over the phone and giving them this routing number. They're creating the checks and then paying for things. Right. And we got the titles of the car in the mail like a week later. So the cars were paid off.

These were for, you know, friends of mine that I knew. So, but the problem was everything would start reversing. like a month later. Except Best Buy's. And I think it's because they have the same transfer agent. I'm not quite sure. There are a couple times where things did not reverse. And we, you know,

was able to keep the stuff. It was, you know, it was pretty fun. It was cool until we try to buy a property for $6.3 million. And then, you know, Secret Service called the title company and said, what's going on here? What are you doing? And that's where he decided to stop. I never got arrested for that, though. Never, never, you know, nothing happened with that.

So what else? What they do? Would the title company call you guys and say, hey, the Secret Service just called us? And you just walked away and never went back. Change your phone number, stopped answering calls, picked up and moved. But we did get some cool stuff, you know, got some stuff of Best Buy, you know. to wash of dryers and things like that and just, you know, when we'll spend like $5,000 dollars there and small stuff, you know, but it was fun.

All right. So this is one I want to get to because I think it all kind of derives from the sovereign citizen thing. When did you first hear about what a sovereign citizen was and that the United States was a corporation that, you know, when did you hear about all this and how did that happen? Like, how did you get into that? Because you stated over that. Well, I actually, let's see. I knew back when I was selling hot dogs, a cop had given me a book called Nondare Call a Conspiracy by Gary Allen. Because I had cops that were my customers selling hot dogs.

And I read it, it was incredible. I mean, it's a thin book, but the information, it was incredible. And it said basically one of the things that it doesn't matter who you vote for, Democrat or Republican, because they're both groomed by the Council and Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. So it doesn't matter who it is. It's a one-party system. And it's really from there, from I think I was 22, 23, that I started really seeing the world differently than I used to. I only voted once, and that's for Ronald Reagan. I didn't vote for anybody else after that.

It was all, it's all, it's all a TV movie, you know, it's all a show. It's a movie. So, but to answer your question, it wasn't until, let's see, when was it? I learned about the straw man thing, about 2004. That's when I really started learning about the somergy stuff and, you know. The straw man is basically, your name and capital letters sounds like you, but it's not you. It's a corporate fiction that they created birth. You are a vessel on a sea of commerce, and basically your house is a ship and dry dock.

Sounds crazy, I know, but see, a court cannot bring, a corporation court cannot bring another individual into court. They can only bring another corporation officially. So they make you a corporate fiction, and you are dead to the court. your name capital letters is a vessel it's not you your name you you the living man or lowercase okay so this is the the idea that like your social security number and your birth certificate and everything is all in capital letters driver's life when you're passport everything the government issues is in capital letters because that somehow means that they're they're designating you as a corporation or a corporate entity. Correct. Right. Okay. And then, as I think I showed you when we

were both in prison, is that they take your court case and, you know, they had Q-sub numbers to it, just like your birth certificate. You are true. Hey, we know you probably hit play to escape your business banking, not think about it. But what if we told you there was a way to skip over the pressures of banking? By matching with the TD Small Business Account Manager, you can get the proactive business banking advice and support your business needs. Ready to press play. Get up to $2,700 when you open select small business banking products. Yep, that's $2,700 to turn up your business. Visit TD.com slash small business match to learn more. Conditions apply. Your birth certificate is a stock certificate that they trade. And like in court,

when you first go to, you know, get arrested, you want to bond out. So they give you a bond. and they add to that in appearance bonds, your appearance bonds and things. And they add to what's called a bid bond, performance bond and payment bond. They pull all these bonds together. They securitize them and they sell them as asset-backed securities on the stock market, which later connects to REITs,

which are real estate investment trust, mutual funds, governments, construction loans, things like that. So I found my QSum numbers, my major accuser number or my minor Q sub numbers. Basically, Fidelity is trading my major Q sub number. And what they do is, when you first are run into court, they ask you which way do you plead? So there's honor and dishonor.

If you're going to stay in honor, you're going to say guilty. But you're going to be guilty of the facts, not the crime. see all crimes are commercial on a 27 CFR 72.11 all crimes are commercial well if they're commercial that means they're civil then what are we doing in a criminal court so when you say you're not guilty you're actually saying I'm not going to pay for the for the thing that I broke let's say you because you broke a statute and code statutes and codes are not laws. They are actually copyrighted opinions. So a statute is a bond. And these bonds, what they do is they have a bank that bids on these not guilty pleas. So you have the bank

bidding on your plea. Then you have an insurance company underwriting the performance of that. So they give them a performance bond. It's crazy, dude. I mean, what they're doing is just so much fraud because it's not in your discovery what they're doing. None of this was in your discovery. No. So, okay, well, so, okay, you explain that. Let's go back to, so now you said that that was, you did the thing with the checks.

And then the secret service had shown up. And then you had gone back to that. You were back around 20 years. They didn't show up. They didn't show up. They just made a phone call. They didn't show up because you weren't there. Trust me.

They, I know not to be there when they show up. But they showed up somewhere. So at some point, I'm pretty sure they went to there. Somebody stopped by and said, look. Now, the reason I went to federal prison, is that what you want to get to? now? I mean, I think the build-up to wondering, how did that happen? Like, how old were you? Oh, 52? Yeah, that was older. I mean, I'm saying when you were in your 30s, when you had initially started doing these things like status, like, you started initially down this path

of being a sovereign citizen and like the thing with the judge the one time, where you made a- Well, no, in my 30s was 1990 to 2000. So I wasn't doing in my 30s. I was doing in my 40s. In 2004, is when I was 44, roughly. So that's when it started. And when you really kind of realize things aren't as they seen. Things are different than what you think they are. Right. So.

I mean, as far as the government, as far as them, you're the concept of that they're borrowing money. There's a difference between the United States of America and the United States. It's two separate corporations. United States of America was a DeJure Republic, incorporated in 1787. You got the United States, which was incorporated just after the Civil War, all right? And the United States is a fascist corporate military democracy, which is the worst form of government before you have total tyranny, which is what you're saying now. They want to set up a totalitarian state. So you don't want to be a U.S. citizen.

You want to go back to the Dejure Republic, and that's what. you want to be as a sovereign. You want to go back to the Jeure Republic of the United States of America. Now, when they have on your indictment it says United States of America versus Matthew

Cox, right? That United States of America is owned by Payne Webber which is now UBS. But it's a corporation used within the court system. My court, I found out, I was done in Bradstreet.

So that means they have, they have constituencies. They have, they have a board of directors that want a profit. It's a company. Okay. It's such a fucking scam man. It's incredible. It has nothing to do with, it has nothing to do federal anything. It's like the Federal Reserve Bank.

It's not a bank. It has no reserves. It's not federal. It's a private corporation. Right. And the Titanic didn't sink it. And that's a whole different thing. that's a whole different show

I saw the movie yeah but they switched it they switched it with the Olympic the Olympic was another boat yeah in that had that boat had already had accidents and everything and J.P. Morgan had invited

John what's his name? John Zucker Guggenheim and Benjamin Guggenheim and all these people were against the Federal Reserve right So he invited him on this initial trip of the so-called Titanic. But they switched it at the last from the Olympic to the Titanic.

They switched the names and everything that needed to go on the Titanic was not the Titanic. It was the Olympic because he up the insurance of it. And if you look in your computer right now, go to Google. Look at who owned the White Star Line who created the Titanic. and it was J.P. Morgan. He's a slick motherfucker boy. All right. So he needed to get rid of his enemies. This was 1912. And guess what happened in 1913? Federal Reserve Bank is, goes right through, not a problem.

Those bastards. And they did it during Christmas time. Nobody was there. So let's go back to, so what? happened with your case like you were approached by somebody where you like you said in your 40s you started getting into the whole sovereignty thing and yeah but that's not why i went to prison the reason i went to prison is um i got caught up in a conspiracy of commingling okay so basically what were you doing telemarketing marketing like i just call people not you got to get jail and it was it wasn't that many phone calls

it was maybe 35 35 35 40 phone calls i did maybe and you guys doing what was the setup what was the whole i'll let's it i'm getting to tim turner had a a a seminar and one of the things in the seminar were regarding to nine nine oh ides ironically i ended up in prison with tim turner at oakdale Okay, he had done a seminar, and a bunch of us, this was at 2008, right around the housing bubble. Remember that when everything collapsed and kaput? Right? So everybody was losing their homes and everybody knew that, you know, I knew stuff about foreclosures. And I also knew a lot about telemarketing because I'd been a telemarketer.

right and um this friend of mine mike bider who is not doing 24 years and david club asked me if you know i would do some telemarking for them i said sure why not you know i knew them from church and stuff you know so the way it works is they're basically doing a 1099 999 on your checking account. See, because everything you write into existence is basically a check, a promissory note. If you write for a house or for a car or student loan, anything it is, a promissory note on a UCC3-104 is basically a check. It's a draft. And what the bank does is they take that, they deposit it into an account, then they fractionalize it anywhere from 9 to 18 times. So that house that you close on is actually paid for at closing.

They get you into what's called a secondary, unconscionable statute-staple contract called the mortgage. Mortgage comes from the Latin word mortua, which means death. It's where we get our word for mortal, morbid, mortuary, mortician. Mortgage is a death pledge. So the bank is getting into getting you into death pledge where that house is already paid for closing. So we were getting that money back for people using a 1099 OID. OID stands for original issue discount. And you have to do an 80281 form to find out who the actual grantor is of the actual documentation.

So I don't know. we had an IRS enrolled agent. I don't know if she did that 8281 form because you have to have that 80281 form to go with a 1099 OID all the time. So anyway, these people were getting checks back, million dollars, $500,000, $2 million, whatever. The spouse would get it. Oh, my God, okay, million dollars. I get, let me go. down to the bank and cash it.

They go back, they go down to the bank and cash it. And that's how we got caught up in a conspiracy of commingling because those were private credits and you can't mix private credits with public funds. Okay, so wait, let's go back. So one day you're working at telemarketing firm, right? Telemarketing company, you're, you're, well, no, I was, I was working actually doing, some real estate for you know some some folks to help them out doing saving their homes and stuff like that okay well and somebody comes to you and says hey there's this guy what's his name

who's doing a seminar Tim Turner Tim Turner so you go to the seminar with some of your buddies some guys that also are are they also believe like the whole sovereign citizen thing or these just friends or these just like who tells you about the seminar who tells me about the seven i don't remember this is two thousand fucking fuck 2002 i don't know i've no idea so you go to the seminar there's what 20 people there 50 oh they're about 50 yeah okay so 50 people and ted gets up and he explains tim yeah damn it tim gets up and he explains about the uh the 1099 uh oh id and he explains the whole thing and says, look, you know, when people borrow money from Bank of America to buy a house,

Bank of America turns around and fractionalizes that mortgage and sells it for way more than was ever borrowed, something along those lines, right? Like, it's extremely complicated what you're saying. Well, he didn't just explain it. I mean, it's well known. I mean, they don't lend any money. If you read it. If you listen, well, listen, if you, all right, write this down.

I want you to look up the affidavit of Walker Todd. Walker Todd is an attorney for the Federal Reserve Bank, and he states basically that banks do not lend money. I remember this because I remember you talking about it. You actually had, like, I think you had the actual letter or something. It was in a bulk. Right. Hold on.

I think it's a halfway house calling me. Okay. No, it's not. Somebody else. Hello? Anyway. yeah it um yeah i had it in a book i don't know i don't think you read it though but but no but you had it i remember you talking about and showing it and saying right and it was um

they can't loan money of their depositors and they can't loan money of the original investors so where's the money come from you know i mean they can't they legally cannot loan the money well okay so let's like because that's going to be insanity here i mean that this is another show that you might want to do, but I could bring you in for evidence on that. Also, there's a video if you want on YouTube by Dr. Professor Richard Werner, and he goes into the facts that banks don't loan money. They take promissory notes to turn them in securities. That's old purpose for them to do. But somehow or another, you're saying that when I borrow $200,000 from Bank of America to buy my house, the moment I close on that, it creates a document that's

fractionalized and therefore my that one is already paid for yeah so that house no no that you didn't have a loan you just said the loan was paid for you didn't have a loan it's like you signing a check and giving them a check that house was paid for closing they didn't loan you anything there was no consideration and if you know the banks never show up at a closing they're never there you just created a trust where they became the beneficiary of this constantly monthly payment that you're making they didn't loan you any money gave you no consideration they don't everything is fraud from the moment they start everything is fraud okay so so this guy convinced says hey look you know look i need you guys to make some phone calls to get people to

well no no the phone calls were from people had already taken the seminar so they already knew what was up they knew they had already been the seminar He gave me phone numbers or whatever to call, you know, the guy who was with, the guy who was with Tim was his assistant. His name was Buddy Love. So Buddy Love would give me the numbers and, you know, and the names. And I'd call them up and say, hey, you know, you just went to the Tim Turner's seminar. You know, and then I would go into my spiel about, you know, do you want to do it? you know we we can get it done for you to that whatever i said i don't remember now it's been too

long but basically they were interested and wanted to do it so i was able to get it i don't know how many people involved in it but they did it and they got money back so you guys would you filed taxes though right didn't you do something on their taxes like you had to file some forms for them yeah yeah you do the 1099 o ad the 1096 the 1040 v the whole bunch of stuff but um we had a an IRS and enrolled agent. Penny Jones. She was an IRS enrolled agent. So anything...

Does she work for the IRS? Did she? Yeah. No, she was an IRS enrolled agent, meaning that she went to classes or studied things that they had taught or whatever, but she wasn't an actual IRS agent. She was an IRS enrolled agent. It was just different.

Okay. So, so paperwork's filed. These people give you their paperwork. work. You then file documents for them. And then the IRS does. Okay. Well, she does. Yeah. The IRS cuts a check. Back to them. And they got to have three approvals from three different departments to get that check to that customer. So the IRS approves it. They get the check. But what they should have done, listen to this. This is what they should have done. And I realize this later in prison. You can't.

Can't cash the check, but they don't tell you that. You got to sign it back over the Treasury Department. You got to open up a trust with them and say, basically, look, you are the trustee on the beneficiary of this trust. I had these debts, the house, the car, the boat, the whatever, and I want you to do a set-off on them with my credits. That's what they should have done, but they didn't. They just deposit the check, and then we got caught up in a conspiracy of Coimaling. Okay, so, and I'm a solid guy, Matt. I didn't have to turn anybody in, yo.

No, you went to trial. I'm a solid guy, Matt. How did that work out? So, so you do this and what you do this and what happens. So they got back a bunch of money. Didn't a lot of people get money back? weren't they cash in the millions in the millions the people were depositing money in the millions of dollars there was like one was like half a million dollars one was like a million point something one was

like there were millions of dollars being to pot people are depositing the checks if you look at my name on google hyphen tax case it goes into it says it was roughly 160 million dollars we got back okay roughly how long did this go on it wasn't long about six months was long so at some point who because once you got the customer and you you filed immediately i mean we you know it doesn't take that long to do because they would do a 1099 out oID on their uh checking account everything they paid through that checking account would be oh id so you know because everything you sign into existence is going through that checking account. Basically, if you bought a boat, you got a student loan, whatever loan, suppose loan,

you know, I say loan, it goes through that account and we got checks back pretty quickly. Okay, so, so at one point, though, the place gets what, busted, rated, you get target letters. What happens? target letters mainly and so target letter is a let target letter is a letter sent from a federal agency saying you're being investigated yeah not me but the other guys did yeah um i got busted by irs cid when i reported to my probation officer for the check thing that my friend jose got me hit i was still in probation for that so i got busted at my probation officer's office by IRS, the ID. They asked you to come in for some reason you watched in. I came in every month, I think, you know, just to check in.

And, you know, they knew when I was coming in. And so did they, they arrested you or just questioned you? No, they arrested me, handcuffs and put in the car and take it downtown. So? And I spend the night. Did you get out? the next day. Oh, nice.

Yeah. And then I was put on ankle monitor. Then, again. And then you got what, a public defender and decided to go to trial? You kind of forced to get a public defender. I even tried firing him. And Michael Bider tried to fire his attorney. And they all try to fire their attorneys and they wouldn't let them.

That's how they get jurisdiction over you. The bar stands for British accreditation registry. They're all members of the bar. If you know, all attorneys have the name Esquire after their name. It's a title of British nobility. Okay. I'm not making it up. Okay, so you go to trial.

How many of you guys go to trial? Four. Four people go to trial. and how long was the trial month 30 days what happens what happens at the trial you explain all of this to the judge we all bend over and get fucked by the judge as well you explain all this to the to the public to i mean you explain all this to a jury is it a jury trial yeah jury trial a lot of them were falling asleep because it was taxes you know tax is kind of boring but um i asked i asked i I asked the judge. I said, look, are we not allowed to confront our accusers? And if the accuser is United States of America, I want the United States America get on the witness stand. And I want to see the driver's license of this United States America. Because there is no bodily injury. I mean, no one got injured. So I want to see who my accuser is. And the accuser also is supposedly the internal revenue service, not the United States. United States is a corporation. It's not a land mass. Not the entire land mass of the United States

America is against us. What the judge say? He wasn't too thrilled with that one. I'm assuming the United States didn't show up. They said the U.S. attorney represents the United States government. so okay so what it ends up so anything else notable like I mean did you explain they didn't that the court didn't have jurisdiction over you did you tell them that did you do the whole

yeah but they didn't want me speaking after a while you know they didn't want me talking who didn't want you talking the judge so I mean You can do some of these things, but they don't want you. You know, I tried to fire my attorney, but they didn't want that because that's how they get, like I said, that's how they get jurisdiction over you is through that attorney. But, yeah, I was quite the experience realizing they don't care about truth. I was bringing in some evidence that they didn't want to, they didn't want to bring forward. They didn't want anybody to see. One of us a videotape.

You can watch it on YouTube. It's called America Freedom to Fascism, which is what the Irish. Oh, yeah, I saw that movie. Yeah. The movie. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty good. That was a good movie.

Aaron Russo put it together. That was in the theaters. America Freedom to Fascism? No. It's documentary put together by Aaron Russo who did Trading Places. with Eddie Murphy. I know I saw it in it wasn't like in like AMC theaters it was in the um you know kind of like the off I saw it in the theater though it was kind of an off you know like a where they do artsy films right it was in one of those theaters I saw it when I was on the run I saw it in

I saw it in 2006 no kidding yeah okay um and you learn there is no law to pay taxes well you know, I watched the movie. I listen to what they have to say. We've had this discussion where, you know, you can show me all this stuff and you can tell me all these stories and you can show me the law and everything. But in the end, they have the guns. They have the manpower and they have the prisons. And if they say everybody's paying, everybody's paying. And the whole time they're dragging you away and you're screaming, this is illegal. You can't do this. You have no rights. And, you know, you can complain the whole time you're locked up in. prison about how you shouldn't be here your rights are right this way but you know you're going to do that time so um so what happens they they eventually they they get you for how much how much 15 180 180 months 15 years for 15 years they find my uh friends did 24 uh david clem and michael bider did are doing 24 years they did they get out for the COVID thing or? No, I don't, no, I don't know.

I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, he's got 12 years, Dale Peters got 12 years, he, he, he, he, I, contact, I mean, we communicate to telegram, and there was another guy named, uh, Michael Smith, I think, or John Smith, something like that, he was in California, he got out after three years. John Smith, that doesn't sound made up. So, you went to prison, and you, And I met Matt Cox. There you are.

Did you do the 2255 or anything like that? Or did you? Nah. And you know what? Didn't you appeal? Yeah, we did an appeal and that was denied. And Frank Amadea wouldn't even take my case. No.

No, he wouldn't, he read it. I mean, I had. I know, I remember. And he said he read it all on one night. I don't know how he did that. I couldn't even read it in one night. But he said he read it, but he wouldn't take my case for whatever reason. I don't understand why.

Mine, I would think, was simple compared to, you know, kidnapping or drugs or whatever. But, well, I mean, it was a month-long trial in front of a jury that didn't buy the idea of the, the 1099-O-ID, they didn't buy. it like they didn't believe that that was a real thing and so right they they eventually said hey you broke the law by getting this money back or filing these false tax returns and it was but what was the it was actually tax fraud right wasn't what was the actual no it's defrauding the united states government okay that's what i went to prison for was the united states go title 18 section uh 20 no it's 286 and 287 what was how what was the dollar amount that they said you owe Uh, $5.4 million.

$5.4 million. Yeah. Um, I never saw, so I don't know how I can owe it, but whatever. The combination of all. That's, that's my restitution. Was that money that they, did they ever get the money back from these people? They got it all back. And they want more on top of that.

Hmm. Crazy, huh? so how long did you fight your case so when we were locked up you were fighting the entire time to get out once the appeal was denied because i remember you were waiting for the appeal to get denied in order to file your your like your straw man claim to because you to get out of prison yeah but then i got shipped i got shipped so i you know how it is all your paperwork it's all discombobulated and shit so i got shipped after i think i was in coleman i think Was it two years, I think, or a year and a half?

It was a couple of years, I think. But whatever. So two years, and then I got shipped. And then I got shipped mainly because I proved that the FRP payment was all bullshit. And they didn't like that at all. At Oakdale, get a little of this when I was at Oakdale. No, I'm sorry. All right, this is what happened.

I went from Coleman to Yazoo. Yazoo, Lowe, I was there for eight months, nine months, something like that. And then I was put at the camp for six weeks until I got caught with a cell phone. I got caught with a cell phone. You're not supposed to have a cell phone, Chris. No. Well, let me tell you, it was a shock. When I got there, the minute, the first day I got there, and the guard went around the corn,

that place opened up like a telemarketing room I couldn't believe it everyone was on the phone it was like what like a call center dude I couldn't believe it and so I mean I had to get a phone so I got a phone but the thing is I'm as you know I'm blind so I was looking at the cell phone real close one night and all the lights were off and I was you know looking at it real close because I'm blind. So the light is in my eyes. And it takes a minute for you to focus the room. And this little guard came up on me and found me, you know,

charging my phone. But anyway, anyway, I ended up at the pen. Shoot from the camp to the pen? Yeah, because that's where they keep the shoe. And I was there for six weeks. and then I went from there to Bloody Beaumont. And it was a Bloody Beaumont low for two years. And that's when Hurricane Harvey hit, man.

That was a, almost a ride started there because all the electricity was out. That means you couldn't flush the toilets. You couldn't have no AC. The guards weren't showing up for work because they had their own issues. their own houses were being flooded and stuff like that so they weren't showing up for work we couldn't get food couldn't use the toilet i mean they had to bring in um porta potty's in so the toilets were full they couldn't be flush because there was no electricity and they had to bring fans cabled in through it was crazy it was really a situation that was going to get bad real fast but anyway

a BPA, after all that happened, this is like a year later, that United States Code Title 18 had never been ratified by Congress back in 1947. Truman never signed it. And we all fall under crime and punishment, which is United States Code Title 18. They didn't have a quorum. A quorum was 218.6. And they passed it during a holiday when nobody was really there. So, Truman never signed it because of a signed-di adjournment. It's like when a law is supposed to be brought forth for him to sign, and he doesn't sign it by the end of the day, it dies. It's signed-di-you-don-sign it, it dies. Well, he didn't sign it, and they pushed it through anyway. So it never really ended up at the foot of registry. And I have evidence of that, and I made a BPA of that,

And man, they put me in the shoe right away. They didn't want anyone to hear about that. They put me in the shoe for three months, dude, for that shit. And then they shipped me to Oakdale, Louisiana. So you were basically telling the Bureau of Prisons that they didn't have jurisdiction over any of the inmates. And basically, they had to let everybody go, right? And so they, okay. But it's a fact.

Absolutely. I know it's true. Did you, I have a question. Did you think the warden was going to get that and go? My God, let me look into this. I have the director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons Harlan Lapin letter that says exactly what you just said. What are we doing holding these people? Exactly. That's what his letter says. I can read it to you. I can get it for you and read it to you next time. I know your time is almost up here, but yeah.

Open the gates. Let these guys out. Chris, I can't believe. Chris Marrero. Oh, and I was also asking for $30 million once they weren't too thrilled about it. Why not? Money doesn't exist. There is no money.

There's no money. So what did you want $30 million for? Because you need something. What do you pay your rent with? Fed of Reserve notes, unfortunately. I keep telling my landlord, there's no, there is no money. He keeps having these cops throw me out. That's crazy.

But it's true. It never signed. The whole time they're dragging you out of the house. You're going, but Truman never signed. I hear you. I hear you. It's unfair. Oh.

So then they released me because of COVID. So I got out because of COVID. That was the only good thing of COVID, I guess. And I got released in May 19, 2020. Did you file for it? No. They released me other than to the CARES Act, I guess, or whatever it was. They just called you up and said,

you're over 50. Yeah. I did more than just a little over half percent, 50 percent of my time. And they said, pack up. So the CARES Act was signed into law by who? Trump. Right. And that said that if you're over what 50?

Isn't it 50 years old? You only have to do like 50% of your time or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you do 50% of your time. and you're in danger because of COVID. Yeah.

And they said, kick rocks, put this ankle monitor on, go home, get a job. And they sent me to my ex-wife's house with her husband. And she took you in. They took you in. They were like, yeah. But after a while, it became a nightmare. I had to get there. After a while?

Yeah. I can only imagine. Look, while I was married in my. ex-wife was happy. It was a nightmare. I can imagine if I had to go live with her and Nick right now. Oh, my God. We'd be like, I thought we were done with this guy.

Thought he was locked up. What happened? Yeah, exactly. So it's been a rocket ride, that's for sure. Um, okay. So I do have a question because we didn't really touch on it. But what happened when you made the judge, the trustee? What case was that?

Oh, that was the case of the checks that my friend Jose gave me. Um, I made, I did documentation to make her the trustee. So you were charged before you were placed on probation, what happened? I mean, what happened? You were charged. You were arrested. You got out the next day on a bond. What happened?

Well, I was trying to make her trustee of the case. I don't remember the details of it all. It was so long ago. But she lied and said that I had missed a court case. And that's why she had the ability to arrest me. This bitch lied. couldn't believe it because I had I show up to all my court cases I mean all my court dates and um she said I had not shown up for a court case and that's why she issued a warrant for my

arrest so when you say you made her the trustee what did you do like after you'd been charged you did something you filed paperwork you yeah well just people don't make her trustee do full settlement closure of the account so you're saying that the indictment or charge on you was unlawful or was actually it's a trust it's all a trust everything is a trust and you made her the trustee i don't understand and you made her the trustee to do a full settlement closure of the account so the charge against you is a trust yeah they're When they're charging you, it's like, for example, you go to a store and you buy something with a credit card. They're going to charge you on the credit card, right?

Right. When you break a statute and code, they're charging the straw man account because you have unlimited credits at the treasury. So they're charging that account. You got it? Okay. Yeah. So what I'm asking. asking her to do is just do a full settlement closure of this account because each case is an account

that's what i was doing i know sounds great and so you made her the trustee right you filed paperwork saying this whole thing is a trust and i'm making you judge the trustee and i'm asking you to close it out correct and she was upset yeah she was upset i made her a trustee and so she said she said a court date and said you missed it right and then had you arrested brought back in front of her and what had what she say to you uh didn't no i didn't go in front of her when something in front of someone else some other good conflict of interest because you'd named her as a trustee yeah i think or something like that what that judge say did he have a find that comical or no they don't ever find anything comical know they don't like did he say boy you you really got judge judge judy over here she's really upset like oh you kill me i can't stand her either no nothing like that no so what they say just oh just uh i don't remember it was just it was just uh they let me go i mean it was just uh stop it yeah it was just they didn't sentence me to anything or anything like i

bad. They just dismissed the case, which is what I wanted anyone. This is just stop this. I see that you filed this and stop it. I better not see my name as a trustee in this case. And they said, we're going to let you go because you're a problem. That's what you want to be. You want to be a problem. Yeah. You don't want to be just laid on and let them walk all over to you. You want to be that problem. You know, Tim Turner said one time in court, he said, judge what rank in the military do you hold and the judge dismissed the case right away let him go they don't want to answer certain questions

because they're all admiralty maritime courts they're administrative courts they're not Title III courts they're all administrative and if it's an analogy court they don't want to even discuss the fact that it's a military which are you know which is what it is so when you ask him what rank in the military do you hold he uh he he dismissed the case

right away this is it's it's it's so the court the court is you're saying that courts are not criminal courts they're maritime courts or something or what what is their admiral maritime courts yeah which is like i said you are a vessel on the sea of commerce your name in capital if you look at a cargo ship all the name all the letters are in capital letters so you are the vessel on a sea of commerce and basically they're pirates entering the vessel to steal all they can steal i mean to steal your life steal your time steal your money you know It's crazy, but they're thieves. I mean, on another show, I'll show you evidence if you have time to be able to show the screen and show the evidence and whatever and hear whatever, you know.

It's interesting stuff, but putting it to our work in action sometimes, you've got to remember. I'm going to say, but I'm still ended up in prison. I'm still, I'm still, I'm still on an ankle monitor. You can't do this. You want to see it? Here it is. Oh, my God. Got it.

Did you tell your probation officer about this? No. No. You didn't tell them about the maritime thing and they can't do this and no. Oh, well, no, no, I don't even talk to them about this. They're so stupid. It's just, you know, that's. It's not even worth the argument.

They're really dumb. You've got to go through the courts if you're going to go to all that. But you've gone through the courts. No, I'm going to go again. I got, I got a, I'm doing a red habeas corpus. And to get rid of this ankle monitor, dude, it's just, it's driving me nuts. It's really driving. I've been on it for two years.

They want me to be on it until 2025 in September and then then put me in a three-year supervised release. It's like, come on, dude. You know, they have some telemarking, man. I mean, shit, Bill Cosby got off after two years raping 100 women's. Come on. Ridiculous. You should have been out there raping.

That's the wrong thing. I'm going to do a crime. Let me do a crime. I should have gone in the bank with a gun. And I'd have gotten, they'd have been like, ah, three years. Well, you know what? He was already on probation. He's a felon.

Seven years. Give him seven years. Instead, I used a pen and they said, oh, Hell no. Twenty-six. Twenty-six. That dude had a bick. Mm-mm.

Was it a ballpoint? Yes, or it was a ballpoint? Oh, hell no. Four more months for an enhancement for the ballpoint. What the hell? Oh, man. Good time. Yeah, good times.

Good times. So you're doing a habeas corpus. motion to get off the ankle monitor and then what is it so what's going to happen with the house what are we going to do in all these houses start going under you think uh oh there's a bubble oh yeah it's a tsunami of foreclosure's coming up big time because during covid as you know they did a moratorium moratorium is over and there's going to be so many opportunities to get rich if you're are you going to get back into real estate yourself if you're if you're willing to rent out some houses Better and foreclosure.

No, I'm never doing that again. No. You don't have to worry about Jose's gone. Whatever his name's gone or whatever the guy's name that was. Abner. His name was Abner. He's gone. We know what went wrong the last time.

We're not going to do that again. Yeah, I don't want to do that again. I'm getting too old for this shit, dude. Fuck. Yeah, at this point, if I could just order a pizza once a. week, turn the TV. I get to turn the TV. I can watch by my side. I don't have to put it on the schedule. I don't have to say, hey, can we watch, can we watch Walking Dead on Sunday where I like walking to put me on the schedule? I don't have to say that now. Now I want to watch walking dead. I

just fucking say I'm watching it. I got my own TV. It's great feeling. I think ridiculous. How ridiculous. Cook is a great feeling, isn't it? Cook is still locked up. Yeah. You remember Cook? Yeah, for how long? Oh, I don't know. He's whatever. He got 15 years. He'll be out in a few years.

So, so, Red Bull. Red Bull's still locked up. Fucking that guy. What a maniac. I liked him, though. I loved Red Bull. He was super entertaining. He was smart.

He was funny. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't invest my life savings with him. I can tell you that. That's a problem. I'm not buying a business opportunity from him. but yeah I'll hang out with him on a Friday night yeah we can go home I wish I could help him to get out but I can't you know you can't communicate with

anybody in prison once you're you know you got this thing on your leg yeah yeah but you're totally out on everything no probation on nothing no I got probation for how long oh five years I'm on at three years right now I just follow the motion to try and get off, but because I owe six million, you know, they don't want to let you off when you owe money. Because, you know, they think I'm going to, if I, they keep me on probation, the whole five years, I'll have it paid off at 150 to, sometimes I pay 100, 150, sometimes I pay 600, sometimes it's 400 a month. It depends on what I make, but they somehow or another think, well, let's keep them on an extra two years because that'll close the gap between the $100 a month he's

been paying in the $6 million. You could challenge him and say, what is money? Yeah, my judge, I have a good relationship with him so far. So we'll see. I did. I put in a motion like a week or two, and it was filed on July 18th, so I'm waiting to see what happens. The judge hasn't, the government hasn't responded.

And the judge hasn't told them to respond. So, you know, I think it's like 14 days after. two weeks or something. If nobody, they don't respond, then they just grant the motion. Right. So I'm, you know, it was the 18th. I mean, what's today? 27th, 28, something like that. What is today? You don't know. I don't know. Today's a 28. So it's a 28. So whatever, another week or so, we'll see what happens. What kind of motion was it? It was just a motion to terminate my probation. I've done three years on a five-year probation. Everybody else I know gets half time, like halfway through. halfway through their probation their probation they let them go well you know it's i say

probation you said you know it's supervised release but well no on me it's federal house arrest it's not probation it's not considered legally probation it's i'm still in prison right i'm on supervised release right i always say probation because then otherwise people are like if i explain supervised release then they're like what's that it's like it's basically probation I'm it's probation right really the court still has jurisdiction over me right and I guess and for probation then the justice department has um but right now that has uh I think jurisdiction or the probation officer or something like that but supervised release technically the judge still has the say so you know um and so I I filed the motion to say hey look you know

despite the fact that I still owe this money like keeping me on an extra two years is not going to change anything. And my probation officer has said that, look, like, there's no reason for you to be on probation, but because you owe money, I can't ask them to take you off. But she said, if they call me, I will tell them, look, I can't recommend they take you off. But to be honest with you, there's just no reason to keep them on probation. it's just it's really just a more of a problem for her every month and for me every month because I have to fill all all the paperwork she has to look over the paper like it's just stupid right but I

would like to get off I'd like to get off paper or probation when you know when I say paper people don't know what that means you have to understand most of the people that are watching these types of things like if I say paper like I'll say probation because I don't want to say supervised release because they don't understand but everybody knows what probation is and I don't say you know A lot of times you're talking to another, another, you know, the guy that's been locked up, you know, you'll say, well, I want to get off paper. And they're like, paper, what's paper? I want to get off my probation. So we'll see what the judge says.

And Boziac doesn't have any, does he? Boziac has never successfully completed a probation. He has been on probation most of his life. He has never completed one. He just, he just fucks up so many times while on probation. probation, they eventually say, like literally his last one, the judge said, you are unsupervisedable. Yeah, I saw that show. Get out of here.

Let just go. He's like, no, we're just canceling it. We're done with you. You're just a waste. You're a waste of the probation officer's time. So, yeah, that's it. He locked out. All right.

So we're pretty much done. You're on ankle monitor. we're doing the countdown, you're going to file some motions. I'm assuming that you'll, whatever you're filing, they'll bill denied or throw you back in jail. So it's fine. You know, that happened. The rate is going to be pertaining to the United States Code Title 18

that it wasn't ratified by Congress. Are you serious? Yeah. Isn't your, have you filed anything with your, with the judge about this whole thing? Not yet. You did the appeal and you never refiled anything. No.

So this will be the first time he hears about the United States, never ratified. Should be a good. We'll have to hear about that. We'll have to do an update. I'd love to see the response. All right. Good times. I'm sure he's going to accept that and be like, absolutely.

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