Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Stealing $120 Million From the US Government | Chris Marrero

Episode Date: June 13, 2023

Stealing $120 Million From the US Government | Chris Marrero

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we split uh whatever i mean i'm with you i'm with you i like it i feel like it's illegal but i'm okay with that and i'm a solid guy matt i didn't have to turn anybody in yo no you went to trial i'm a solid guy matt how did that work out Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm doing an interview today with actually a guy that I know from Coleman Federal Prison. We were in the same unit. He was actually roommates with John Boziak, and he has a super unique story, and you really need to watch this because it's, it's a very, it's a very interesting and unique story about, about you got to watch this. All right.

Let's start at the beginning, bro. Like, where were you born? I was born in New York City. Actually, this would happen. Fidel Castro came into Cuba in January of 1959. And my father could see the riding of the wall what's happening. And they decided that I was not going to be born in Cuba. I was going to, you know, they wanted to go to New York because my mother was

an American. And my father was Cuban. He was in Havana. He was a law student. And it's funny how they met. He was dating a woman named Ida, who I'll tell you later

who she became, but Ida was dating him and she had to go to New York. This was during the you know, when the mafia had the, you know, casinos and stuff and it was a party town. And Batista was the

Brett was the president. This is before Fidel. Fidel. Fidel, right. And so she had to go to New York and she asked her friend, who was my mother, Gina, to, you know, watch her apartment. And she said that her boyfriend would probably come over. And, you know, apparently he did because here I am. So they started to, you know, entangle with each other, I guess. And, um, one thing led to another and they got married so anyway he uh once castro came in he decided you know they both decided to guess that i would be born new york city so that's why i'm an american but um they went back to cuba after i was born in new york and um they you know things just weren't getting any better they they could see things were kind of getting bad so

they moved to puerto rico and uh that's why i lived to they got divorced, I think I was like four or five, but I didn't speak English, but I was like seven. And my mother, she lost custody of me because she had opened up, which in 1963, women didn't do this. She opened up a gay bar in 1963, which women didn't do. You know, this is in Puerto Rico? Yeah, in Puerto Rico. And so because of that, she had lost custody of me. It was not something the women did.

And the judge, you know, the judge, of course, didn't look favor upon that at the time. So custody was given to my grandmother who my mother felt she was being screwed. So when she was given the weekend or whatever to have, you know, visitation with me, She actually kidnapped me from Puerto Rico, went to New York, and I didn't see my father until I was 18 again. So, I mean, he searched for me for seven years, but he couldn't find me. Plus, he had the language barrier. So what she did was, I guess we lived in New York in her apartment for a couple years, but eventually I went to live with my cousins in Long Island. And, you know, I ended up going to school.

I failed first grade because I didn't speak English. I didn't know anything of what was going on. I failed first grade. Did you? Because I was stupid. You were dyslexic. I said, dyslexia. My brothers and sisters said, I used to tell them I'm a learned disability.

And they go, yeah, stupidity. Yeah, well, I had the language as a ability. This is way for ESL. What is it? English as a Sanko language, ESL stuff. Right. So it was, I learned basically English by watching TV. You know, I dream of Jeannie, Gentle Bend, Octari, and all the, you know, Batman Superman shows, basically. Because no one sat me down and, you know, this is what you say when you say English, no.

So anyway, I live with my cousins for about two years and live with my, and then I was moved to my grandmother and Connecticut in a place called West Cornwall, Connecticut, a little itty-bitty town. And she had changed my name from Marrero to Goddard, so he couldn't find me. So she was married to Neville Goddard Jr. I don't know if you know the name Neville Goddard. He's on YouTube a lot. He's into manifestations and, you know, estoteric stuff. But if you look him up on YouTube, he's there. I mean, he's been dead a long time, but they got all his teachings there but she was married to his son so she gave me his name when i was growing up my mother my mother was not meant to be a mother i mean she uh she was you know she was an actress and a

singer and uh i remember that and i'm yes yeah she she just i sent you a picture of her right yeah yeah and but i remember you talking about her being an actress god what a myth i mean Um, she had no idea about business. She, she was just a wreck. I mean, from, from a, I mean, she smoke and drank, which, you know, which was a like a like a free spirit, sorry, excuse me, like a, like a free spirit wreck or like a, like a, an angry. No, no, no, she wasn't angry. She was just, um, any success she would start to get, she would sabotage her own success, you know.

Okay. she um and she didn't have a firm grasp of reality at all i mean as as i was growing when i finally did move with her i'll tell you later when i was like 14 or so 13 um she uh was constantly saying she was going to have a you know go back to hollywood and do a talk show with sophia loren and this and that and it was oh god it was just a nightmare to live with this every fucking day and um and um Um, anyway, she, uh, she was not meant to be a mother. She was also a blackwood madam for a while, you know, she had, she was a madam.

I remember this. I remember you talking about this. Yeah. And, um, she knew a lot of, uh, like, a low level, uh, I was just saying low level, but low, lower on the known level of actors, you know, like, um, you know, Larry Gale. who was in the body snatchers and you know um she was supposed to marry steve allen at one time believe it or not and she knew orson wells and a whole bunch of people but she never could make it as an actress i mean it's a very tough business yeah very tough and um she says she was a good

singer she could sing but man there was no you know agt at the time you know it was hard to make I wanted to let you guys know that I have a Patreon account. If you're interested in joining the Patreon account, it's got three tiers. The top tier, you actually get a different con man painting every single month. If you're already joined and you're already supporting me, I really appreciate that. If you haven't joined yet and you're interested in joining, I'm going to leave the contact information for Patreon in the description. Thank you very much for watching the video. But anyway, she moved me to West.

Cornel, Connecticut to live my grandmother. And I lived there for about five years. And I didn't have my father. I didn't have my mothers. And I have no brothers and sisters. So I had nobody. And basically my grandmother worked seven days a week. She worked five days a week at the welfare department and two days at the Emporium coffee shop flipping burgers. So I just basically raised myself. You know, I wasn't, um, I had some friends, you know, we hang around and stuff but i had nobody like at home you know what i mean right so um you're like a latchkey kid yeah basically come home and there was nobody there she had 25 cats though and two dogs and my mother had bought me a horse to kind of compensate her not being there so um that's a lot

of cats it's a lot of cats they were indoor and outdoor cats but uh you know it was it wasn't it wasn't i can't complain it wasn't a bad uh childhood i did a lot of fitness you know it was a it was a great place um i didn't happen to get all of this i didn't have a bike at first you know you know how kids always have a bike and uh you know i was there from uh like the age of i think nine 10 11 12 whatever eight whatever and um one christmas she buys me a pujou 10 speed bike but says that i can't ride it till i'm 16 so she brings it to connect to connect This is your mom. My mom.

Okay. And then brings it back to New York. At 16, you want a car. You don't want a fucking Pujo 10 speed. Right. I mean, she'd visit me once a year, you know, more or less. You know, she was not, she was never made to be a mother at all. But she was trying to put off-Broadway shows together and all this other bullshit she was trying to do.

You know, she'd come up to visit me with a director. His name was Emilio Brutzo. He was an Italian guy. He was a director and whatever, you know. The next thing that happened, there was a major thing in my life. The house burnt down. It was an electrical fire in the house. And I woke up at five in the morning.

And there was smoke throughout the house. And I tried to go down the staircase and it was just a, just the smoke coming up. And I could see all the cats are basically dead already. And I, you know, banged. on her door said look we got to get up we got to get out of here luckily she had just rented the lower part on the up you know behind the house to a guy named Nathan who was able to put a ladder up so I could get out but what happened was when she went to get out from the upper stair down he opened the door to the bottom of the downstairs and the flames came up and reached to her and she fell off the ladder

broke back and got all burnt it was a mess and uh she ended up being in the hospital for quite a while and i ended up living with some friends from school for i don't know a year or so and um my mother didn't visit me for that you know all the dogs got killed the horror of the um the the the cats got killed but the horse was fine you know he was outside but um i used to i used to have a paper out also back then i delivered on you know five in the morning the uh waterbury republican you know we do it on the weekends on horseback so it's kind of cool yeah it was kind of pony expressious you bro how old are you i was uh 11 11 that time 12 11 12 11 12 So after that, my mother finally gets some money from her mother who had saved money.

She was in Vaudeville way back, you know, vaudeville in the 20s. So she had saved up the money and she was going to live with us in a place called Wilting, Connecticut. And she rented this beautiful house on the lake that was owned at the time by Lillian and Russell Hoban, who were cartoonists. they did cartoon things for kids books right and they were going through europe so the house was being rented at the time for like a thousand bucks which this is 1973 roughly so this is i guess the market price at that time so we moved there and my i call him my stepfather but he was never married to my mother's name is bill solon bill was a brilliant guy a really brilliant guy he had gotten a scholarship to Harvard University in 1959.

Now, the way the scholarships were, there are two, one for male, Harvard, and the other one for female, Ratcliffe. And he won in 1959. So this guy was really brilliant, but he was a bit of a savant. He couldn't drive. All he wanted to do was handicapped race horses. And he had been in the CIA, right? so he's smart as a whip CIA grabs them up and I had always asked him you know what did you do in the CIA and he said basically I would brief bomber pilots before they'd blown on their buying rates for you know during Vietnam but all his friends were Air America you know and I don't know if you know what Air America is they were bringing all the drugs into the country through the CIA right so I learned later I didn't know then it's

12 years old so but i learned later all his friends are basically air america guys so this is what happened me at the age 1213 get a little this he's a massive gambler didn't hold a job other than bartending every now and all his money would go to you know bet on horses so my mother would work as a waitress whatever and i would work too i was working as a dishwasher at a place place called the Chaucer House and in Maryland stuff. But anyway, what happened was the circle of friends he ran around with was a guy named Bob Settner, Jack Harrington, Jackie Kilcullen, and a guy named Manic Gambino. Okay. Now, all of them were in debt, bad debt.

And Manic Gambino was kind of like the black sheep of the family, I guess. for the Gambino family. And he said, he came up with the idea, why don't we do this? Look, let's say that you guys kidnap me and then what we'll do is we'll ask the family for money.

Well, you know, we'll blackmail the family. And they thought it was great idea. Seems like a good idea. What could go wrong? So they start with the letters and the phone calls. And, you know, this is, this is 1973-ish, four-ish, something like that. I don't know, I forget the date. But so they started in with that.

And to make a long story short, what happens is two weeks later, Mani Gambino was found in the trunk of a car, like Wardy Airport with it. You know, he's shot to death. So. I don't understand. What do you mean shot to do? I thought they kidnapped him. Oh, they kidnapped him.

But he ends up in the trunk of a car in LaGuardia. They were his friend. He came up with the idea. So would the family not want to pay to get me? No, something happened. Something else happened. We don't know. Now, years later, in investigating what would happen, two things happen.

One thing is a guy named Eddie O'Brien was said to have killed a man. Gamino, which doesn't make sense because O'Brien is Irish and Gambino, of course, Italian. So I don't know what the connection was there. That's one article. And it said that John Gotti had killed O'Brien. That's why he got to be the head of the family, right? The second thing is, I heard, I'm not her, but read that Bob Setner had actually killed Mani Gambino over an argument. whatever. I don't know. I was 12, 13, whatever it is. So my mother was always ushering me out of the living room to get away from the TV because, you know, it was all lower the place. It was on TV. It was, you know, on the news and whatever.

So he gets eventually sentenced, Bill does, to three years in prison, does a year and a half at Allenwood Penitentiary up in Pennsylvania. Now, I went to visit him one time, and I remember penitentiaries were not like the way they are now. He said that he couldn't walk past this yellow line, and at the time, penitentiaries are not like that today. So it must have been kind of, I think, like a campish kind of thing, a Loloa camp. I don't know what it was. But that's what I remember at the time. You know, I was in the medium, and they have a, it's, you know, you've heard the song like walking the line. line so i mean and there's basically like in the medium there was a red line in certain spots

you just couldn't pass it like this is someplace inmates don't go past this line it's funny at the time he was in prison with the watergate guys mcruiter okay Howard hunt nice oh those guys and um e howard hunt i don't know if you know if you've studied the jfk assassination he was part of that too. He was deep inside of that. Let's let's speak with you. Let's stick with so. So anyway, he gets, he gets sentenced to three years and does a year and a half. So did Jack Harrington and Bob Settner get sentenced to 15 years, does three years, and they try to poison him in prison supposedly with hot cocoa. So I don't know who tried to poison him, but the mob i guess somehow but um

bob sentner was always good to me i mean he always got me rock concert tickets and stuff it was you know i love the guy he was great i mean he got me kiss tickets and aerosmith tickets and you know he earthwind and fire everything i wanted to see he would get it so he was cool to me so from then bill gets out and um we have to move because actually my well my mom did was to kind of hide me was she was able to like smash the car collect some insurance and she immediately put me in an eastern military academy and hunting in mong island so i lived on this it was the former estate of otto con who was a big you know like council for a relations guy, kind of like a Roth McAvilla kind of guy.

But he, I guess he sold his place to this, you know, the military academy. And I was living there for a year. But she couldn't pay it all the time. So, I mean, she ran out of money. And so they kind of kicked me out. We ended up being homeless in New York in the wintertime, which is fucking freezing. if you don't know we were living in a car and a rambler in the station wagon and um so then she i don't know how she did it but she got more money and was able to put me back so i lived

i continued living there at the there at the at the military school so then the year was up my cousin was the living was there too he went rich his name was richard he was the most obnoxious asshole you could ever meet i mean even his sisters, um, who my cousins, Lorraine and Allison, couldn't take him. I mean, we all kind of said, look, when we grew up, we don't ever want to talk to this fucking asshole again. Richard is not going to be part of our life in any way. He's just, Paul. Paul, who? Paul what? Cockaloticus. What's his name? You know, Paul in prison? The name sounds familiar. With the bald head.

he was there for kidnapping somebody what about him was he more obnoxious than him oh yeah oh yeah geez this guy was in time paul was uh super yeah no richard was was too much way worse yeah oh yeah way worse so but no man like when you graduate high school like when you know you're oh i'm not even there yet right right okay we move we move we move we move we we moved around because she thought the way they were thinking was the mob was that come and kill us i mean she didn't know what the hell was going to happen so she had to get rid of me like put me in school put me somewhere where nobody knew who i really was or whatever you know and because my name was still got her it wasn't merrero you know right so and my father was

still looking for me i don't know he he gave up after seven years i don't know i guess He wasn't looking for me anymore, but from there, we went to New Jersey. We lived in Bergen County, New Jersey, a place called Westwood. Boring. God, it was horrible. And I remember, let's see, the exorcist had just come out then. How old were you then, Matt? The exorcist. Exorcist.

1974, five? Oh, it would have been five. five five or six and from after that let's see we moved from uh paul bill was getting out so we were he had to be next to a racetrack so we moved to laurel maryland because they hold the prequeness there you know it's a public race track so we moved to laurel maryland and i got a job as a as a dishwasher at a restaurant i'm gonna got a job as a waitress And so he could, you know, do his gambling. And he, I don't know, just to move back real quick, there was a place in between.

I don't know where it was if it was Laurel where, where he had supposed to have taken this money from this guy to bet on these particular horses. And he didn't bet on those horses. He bet on his own horses, right? And the horse won. And the other guy's horse won. And so we had to fucking get out of town again. It was crazy, man. It was just, it's hard to have any kind of high school or any kind of school when you're constantly, like, leaving because the mob's after you or somebody's after you.

So, and anyway, I think that's how we ended up in Laurel, Maryland. And I ended up there for a while. And I was, I think, 16 by now, 17, something like that. And my mother wanted to take me to Europe, right? So we were going to go to Europe and we were all excited. I was going to take my classes early, all my, you know, tests and everything and everything was going to be cool. Well, at the last minute, she couldn't go. She had enough money to do it.

So I took what little money I had, which was $500 at the time and I went to Europe. So she, because she had already bought the tickets. She could, she couldn't get a refund. So I said, look, I took my classes early, my, my tests early. I told everybody in my classes, I'm going to Europe. I got to go to freaking Europe. So I have a backpack and I go to Europe. And I go for six weeks.

And I backpack all through London. I went to, I learned in a Heathrow Airport. I went to London for a while. I saw the Queen Silver Jubilee. And from there, I went to Dover, took the, whatever the boat is, to Calais, France. And from there, I went to Monte Carlo, Monaco, I mean, Paris first. And then I went to Monaco and Monty Carlo. It's the first time I ever saw naked women on a beach.

I was like, yeah, I like this place. This is fucking cool. Pre-internet. Way pre-Internet. Yeah. And then, let's see. happened. I went to Spain, Italy, ran out of money in Italy. Funny as things is, she had a friend in Rome named Cesare Rotundi, who was able to give me money to get back to England to get my

plane, you know, to get, to get back home. But I took an interrail pass, you know, took a train around, you know, those countries and then made it back home. Took the wrong flight home, but at least I got home and it was quite a trip and when I got back it was August right around see yeah it was July I got back and the next month Elvis Presley died August 1997 I'm sure that had nothing to do with you no so then we were totally out of money in every way I mean Bill wasn't working she couldn't continue working it wasn't willing work or something and she would just kept on doing this you know if i were only uh in california and i could do this show and constantly you know sophia loren and this and that whatever and i said look you know what do your thing i'm going to get the job of the chemical racetrack

and i became a hot walker for about six months eight months i quit school and became a hot walker and um A HALWalker is the guy who walks the horses when they come off the racetrack. You know, if they've been exercising in the morning. So you're up from a five in the morning and you're exercising the horses until the race starts, I think, like 12 o'clock, 1 o'clock, whatever it is. And then you take those horses and you walk them. And you're freaking walking all day long. Every day, it's exhausting until 6 o'clock at night. And I was living right there on the racetrack.

above the horses. And there was nothing in the room but me and a cot with a bottle lamp. It was a huge room. And so I just, I did that for about, I don't know, six months, seven months until the school year started again. And then I went back to school and they decided they're going to move because they were just broke completely. She was going to keep her promise that the letter that she had sent to my grandmother back when I was four saying you're going to meet him again when he's 18. I was just about returning 18, so they decided to move to South Florida. So I met my father, they came down here, and I met my father when I was 18, and I had long hair and glasses, man. I was like in my Led Zeppelin days, you know what I'm saying? If you guys didn't know, I also do paintings and if you're interested in a painting, I'm going to leave my contact information in the description beneath the video.

Back to the video. So he was like bald and never, never, you know, had seen me before. You know, last time he saw me all was four or five years old. And so first thing I did was get a haircut, you know, and get contact lenses because I had glasses. because I had glasses at the time, you know, and big, thick glasses. And so we were trying to assimilate our relationship a little bit and just, I guess, you know, get it together a little bit. But it was working, but it wasn't working. You know what I mean?

It was like we were so different in certain ways, you know. I was more Americanized. He was more Cuban. He was, you know, he had a rough time learning English. real rough time and um you know so he had been remarried to a girl named lily and um lily had come from a very uh high-end family in columbia her father had started abyanka airlines and um he died really young when he was like 35 something like that of heart of that and the uncle stole the business from her and mother and left them basically penniless. So that's another story. I don't really know all of it

about. But back to Ida real quick. Ida had married a guy named Tito Puente, which you don't know the name if you're not Spanish, but Tito Puente was a big band leader. And he wrote the song, Oya Comova by, you know, Santana did it. Oyo Comova. So he had written that song and a few others but he was a big main leader so she married him and uh you know she was like a real good friend of man to me and uh she you know she i call her all the time from prison she ended up dying while i was in prison but she was in her 80s but uh you know my mother died early my mother died when i got when they when she came down here she died when she was like 56 i was 21 i did some modeling at the time you know made her i remember that you

Didn't you, weren't you a model or something like that? Yeah, I was a model. I was trying to study acting and stuff. But acting for me, I didn't like it as much. I like screenwriting. I took a two-year course from a Hollywood script writing institute and how to write motion pictures. And I liked it a lot better.

It's just getting it financed after that is really, you know, the hard stuff. But, you know, it is what it is. But writing was kind of, it was fun. I liked it. But I just haven't kept up. I had like 13 screenplays, but I lost most of them. A friend of mine, Marcella, she has, I think, like, five of them that she was able to keep. You know, but that's it.

You know, when I was 21, let's see. When I was 20, actually, Lily got me a job at the Omni Hotel working at disco. Disco was hot at that time. I mean, 1979, 80. Yeah, disco was pumping, dude. I mean, Saturday Night Live had just come out with, you know, John Travolta and whatever, and Donna Summer was hot. Man, it was, it was fun, and the women were beautiful and freaking gordon, you know, it was just, you know, the 80s were the 80s. But you were in Miami.

Yeah, I was in Miami now. And discovering women, you know, really for the first time, you know, and it was fun. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, they're a lot of fun. so yeah well okay so then what um so what happened then what was it what was the first time come on you got in trouble oh that is until i'm a 28 well let me let me build up to that okay um all right so disco is pumping and then it's not it's like it went up and boom one day they got rid of the

place I worked at was a place called Scaramush. I was the laser light operator. And it became a comedy club. It's like dead. Everything was dead after let's see. It was 1982. And I got a hot dog cart.

And I sold hot dogs for four years from 1988. I remember this. I remember you saying the hot dog card. And then there was an issue with like where you were at or something. or they did their license or something or they changed the laws and they made it so um you had to constantly move the hot dog cart around which was impossible was a thousand pound machine you can't do

that at night you know i was i was there at night and i sold in front of a place called casanovas which was a you know a disco it continued on as as a nightclub and um i would sold i would sell from five from uh 11 o'clock at night to five o'clock in the morning So there was nothing open. I mean, if you come right out of the disco, you have to, you know, you're starving. You want to not have to go to Denny's and pay a tip and all that stuff. You get a quick hot dog in the soda and you go home. So I did that for four years.

And I don't know if you know South Florida at all, but at the time, there was no I-75. There was no five-95. There was no sawgrass mall. There was no, the only thing out in the, in certain part of the west, It was only C.B. Smith Park and a place called a Sportatorium. So everything else was a place that you could go to go mudding, which is like, you know, you take a motorcycle out and, you know, you have fun and all that. And I would go out there one time a week and sell hot dogs and, you know, sell out and then go back and do Casanova's at night. So what happened was I had developed, I was made like 35,000 a year roughly, not that much, but it was not good, I guess, at that time.

And I'd gotten a truck on credit. But then my stepmother needed a car. She wanted a car. So I signed a car for her. So she got a car. Then two friends of mine need a vehicle. They said, can you help me get a vehicle? So I helped another one get a Honda CRX.

This is a straw man. This is what they're not doing a straw man's game. No, no, no, no. That's not to do with that. No, I close. No, not a straw man. but when you start financing vehicles for other people in your name because you have good credit, they call that a straw man scam.

Yeah, but it's not the straw man thing you're thinking of that I will explain to you. And the other guy wanted a ninja 600 motorcycle. So you've got four cars and a bike in your name. Yeah, so I got my truck. My stepmother Lily, she got a VW cabriolet at the time, which was a cool car. a Honda CRXSI and a Ninja 600 modifiable. Now, something happened to everybody's life at one point in another where they can't afford to pay these things. So it would end up back in my lap.

And so now, I'm, you know, I'm losing A, the business because, A, I've been doing it for four years and I'm tired and they're changing the laws on me. So I guess it's time we'll move on. And I had already been doing foreclosures for a while in real estate. I knew foreclosures really well. What do you mean doing foreclosures? Finding property. I had been finding properties with a guy named Julio Gonzalez for about a couple of years. We had, in one year, we did 14 houses, you know, that he bought.

But he fucked me out of all of them because I didn't know enough to get an attorney and get a contract. And then, you know, I was still young. It was 20, 21, 22, 23, something of that. But learned a lot. But with foreclosures, I had learned when a property is really not being occupied. It's really left. The people have gone. And this other guy latched on to me.

His name was Abner Arce. And he just, he didn't know what I knew. And he just fucked it up. And he was driving. Oh, I also had a BMW at the time. I forgot to tell you that. Those five guys. So, anyway, what we would do is what I was doing anyway was I could find the foreclosures in a

list of penit stage. In Florida, there's list penit to default and final judgment. So I found him in a list penant stage. I would do my due diligence to try and find the person, but if I couldn't find them, They were either dead or they went back to Columbia or they were, whatever. I would, Jimmy the door, open it, see how badly it was inside, do minor repairs or fixes and put it for rent. That does not sound illegal at all. So if you can let first last in security, you know, let's say rent is whatever, 800 a month and, you know, times three.

you know you do 10 of them a month you're pulling in pretty good you know right now to other people's houses I mean I'm with you I'm with you I like it I feel like it's illegal but I'm okay with that go ahead so have that work so Abner did not know and I you know I would tell him what properties are good which you're not and you don't fuck with a property that's very nicely done and repaired and he did and he got us in trouble because he was driving my car everything led back to me so that was the first thing um because he i i wasn't sentenced to anything but probation because i had never done anything before you know i didn't i'm not into drugs and alcohol and all that bullshit i don't i don't smoke i don't drink i don't do alcohol in drugs i mean so

None of that was my thing. So I was getting probation for, I think it was two years. And after that, let's see, what was the next thing? I did. What does it see? 25 years, 25 years went by. And a friend of mine, Jose, had hooked me up with a property foreclosure in Hidden Bay, which is Amateur, which is on the top floor. It was going to foreclosures.

It was 40th floor, could see the ocean, could see the bay and everything. And one day he says, you know, I got this guy who does what's, you know, the checks for corporations. And for multiple corporations, it's a company called ADP or something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. They do payroll taxes. And they always have a surplus of cash. he said they don't need it i got my guy on the inside he says he can write you a check all you

do is cash it and we uh you know we we split uh whatever so i reasonable i try that and i get busted because the checks are too big i think each check was like 40 no The $20,000 and $20,000 was two checks. So you didn't cash him? Yeah, he wanted me to catch him at a check cashing place. I said, okay. I'd rather have deposited my account, but he wanted to do it at the cash check check cashing place.

So anyway, I get busted and I. So I understand, like when you say you get busted, did the cops show up? Like, are you sitting there waiting for your cash and the cops will get in and grab you? Yeah. Check cashing place called the cops right away. you believe that couldn't believe it and i was charged with uttering yeah so i do let's see because i hadn't done anything in 25 years you know so i did uh what i do a year of probation but uh during that time i had oh man i didn't tell you about the d tc oh that's a great one all right

Let me tell you about the DTC. What does DTC mean? Depository Trust Company. They're in New York City. They're at 55 Water Street. They're in the same building you actually get you QSIP numbers from. Okay. We'll talk about that.

How's that work? Well, they do settlements for multi-million dollar, you know, countries and companies around the world. I mean, into the quadrillion dollars, all right? but what we had gotten was the actual routing number to their account and what you do is you take the back of the social right and on the back of the social has a letter and eight numbers and that letter is a routing number to a Federal Reserve bank the letters I mean the numbers are an account so what we did was what I did was actually was take the numbers from the the back of my social put it as the account number with the routing number of the dTC you can look up dTC it's they're huge so when i how did you know to do this and why did you think like what what gave you the inclination to look at your social security card and just decide hey i think that this is a routing number to a an account or a bank like why did you think that what

well it's on the internet you can look it up you the writing numbers on your back you look on the back of the social and it'll give you the list of all the federal reserve banks that they are okay what i'm saying to you is why did you think that did you just suddenly bam it just bopped no we had those sovereignty conference calls all the time okay so it was a sovereignty so so so this is the the sovereign citizen what is a sovereign citizen what is a sovereign Well, it's either you're an economic slave or you're a, you know, sovereign to the government. You either are an economic slave or you're not. I mean, you got to, it's where you're elite, you want your allegiance to be.

See, if you're a U.S. citizen, the U.S. is actually a federal corporation. If you look up United States, Code Title 28, Section 30,002, subsection 15A says the United States is a corporation. And you being a citizen of it makes you an employee of that corporation. Believe it or not. So you don't want to be that. It makes you a slave within the system. It's like being a slave to McDonald's. You know, it's not where you want to be.

So you want to be separate and a sovereign from that. But anyway, let me tell you what happened with the DTC. So I made out of checks. and the checks dude would clear like that i wrote my friend adrian hines a check for ten thousand dollars on a friday night by saturday morning nine o'clock it had cleared i was like what the fuck and um but the thing what and we were doing ach for cars you know get paying the cars off ach and um what does that mean aCA means it's done over the the phone. They don't actually get the check or anything like that. You're doing it over the phone through

ACH. Right. They actually create their own check. Yeah. So. Because this is a long time ago. You know, you don't do that now. Like, but I remember my, it's 2005, roughly. Right. So, like, I used to have a lease payment with, like, Audi, right? Um, it was actually that it was Volkswagen. It was Audi. It was for my Audi, but it was through Volkswagen because Volkswagen owns Audi at that time. And they would, Like if it was due on the first, like they didn't have the check by the first. They'd call me up and say, hey, do you want to just pay it over the phone? And I'd say yes. And all I had to do was say, was given my routing number and everything.

They kept it on file. And they'd call me back on like the third or second or third and say, hey. And what I realized was they were just creating a check and doing a phone verification for my signature. And then they were depositing it because I hadn't mailed the check yet. So because that's what you're talking about as far as that. So you are making these checks, but you're doing it over the phone and giving them this routing number. They're creating the checks and then paying for things. Right.

And we got the titles of the car in the mail like a week later. So the cars were paid off. These were for, you know, friends of mine that I knew. So, but the problem was everything would start reversing like a month later, except Best Buy's. And I think it's because they have the same transfer agent. I'm not quite sure. There were a couple times where things did not reverse. And we, you know, was able to keep the stuff.

It was, you know, it was pretty fun. It was cool until we try to buy a property for $6.3 million. And then, you know, Secret Service called the title company and said, what's going on here? What are you doing? And that's where we decided to stop. I never got arrested for that, though. Never, never, you know.

nothing happened with that um so what they do with the title company call you guys and say hey the secret service just called us and you just walked away and never went back change your phone number stopped answering calls picked up and moved but we did get some cool stuff you know got some stuff of best buy you know two uh washer dryers and things like that and just you know when we spent like five six thousand dollars there is small stuff you know but it was fun. All right. So this is one I want to get to, because I think it all kind of derives from the sovereign citizen thing. When did you first hear about what a sovereign citizen was and that the United States was a corporation that, you know, when did you hear

about all this and how did that happen? Like, how did you get into that? Because you stated over that. Well, I actually, let's see. I knew back when I was selling hot dogs, a cop had given me a book called Nondare Call a Conspiracy by Gary Allen, because I had cops that were my customers selling hot dogs. And I read it was incredible. I mean, it's a thin book, but the information, it was incredible. And it said basically one of the things that it doesn't matter who you vote for, Democrat or Republican, because they're both groomed by the counsel and foreign relations. in the trilateral commission. So it doesn't matter who it is.

It's a one-party system. And it's really from there, from I think I was 22, 23, that I started to really see the world differently than I used to. I only voted once, and that's for Ronald Reagan. I didn't vote for anybody else after that. It was all, it's all a TV movie, you know. It's all a show.

It's a movie. But to answer your question, it wasn't until, let's see, when was it? I learned about the straw man thing about 2004. That's when I really started learning about the somergy stuff and, you know. The straw man is basically your name and capital letters sounds like you, but it's not you. It's a corporate fiction that they created birth. You are a vessel on the sea of commerce, and basically your house is a ship in dry dock.

sounds crazy i know but see a court cannot bring a corporation court cannot bring another individual into court they can only bring another corporation officially so they make you a corporate fiction and you are dead to the court your your your name capital letters is a vessel it's not you your name you you the living man or lower case

okay so this is the the idea that like your social security number and your birth certificate and everything is all in capital letters when you're passport everything the government issues is in capital letters because that somehow means that they're they're designating you as a corporation or a corporate entity correct okay and then as i think i showed you when we were both in prison is that uh They take your court case and, you know, they had Q-Sup numbers to it, just like your birth certificate. You are traded. Your birth certificate is a stock certificate that they trade. And like in court, when you first go to, you know, get arrested, you want to bond out. So they give you a bond and they add to that in appearance bonds, your appearance bonds and things. And they add to that what's called a bid bond, performance bond and payment bond.

They pull all these bonds together. They securitize them and they sell them as asset-backed securities on the stock market, which later connects to REITs, which are real estate investment trust, mutual funds, governments, construction loans, things like that. So I found my Q-Sub numbers, my major Q-Sum number and my minor Q-Sub numbers. Basically, Fidelity is trading my major Q-Sip number. And what they do is, when you first are brought into court, they ask you which way do you plead. So there's honor and dishonor.

If you're going to stay in honor, you're going to say guilty. But you're going to be guilty of the facts, but not the crime. See, all crimes are commercial on the 27 CFR 72.11. All crimes are commercial. Well, if they're commercial, that means they're civil. And what are we doing in a criminal court? So when you say you're not guilty, you're actually saying, I'm not going to pay for the thing that I broke. Because you broke a statute and code.

Statutes and codes are not laws. They are actually copyrighted opinions. So a statute is a bond. And these bonds, what they do is. They have a bank that bids on these not guilty pleas. So you have the bank bidding on your plea. Then you have an insurance company underwriting the performance of that. So they give them a performance bond.

It's crazy, dude. I mean, what they're doing is just so much fraud because it's not in your discovery what they're doing. None of this was in your discovery. No. So, okay, well, so, okay, you explain that. Let's go back to, so now you said that that was, you did the thing with the checks. And then the secret service had shown up. And then you had gone back to that. We were, you were back around 20. Well, they didn't show up. They didn't show up. They just made a phone call. Well, they didn't show because you weren't there. Trust me. They, I know not to be there when they show up. Like, but I, I, I, they show. showed up somewhere. So at some point, I'm pretty sure they went to there. Somebody stopped by and said, look. Now, the reason I went to federal prison, is that what

you want to get to now? I mean, I think the buildup to wondering, how did that happen? Like, how old were you? Oh, 52? Yeah, that was older. I mean, I'm saying when you were in your 30s, when you had initially started doing these things like status like you started initially down this path of being a sovereign citizen and like the thing with the judge the one time where you made no and my 30 was 1990 to 2000 so i wasn't doing in my 30s i was doing in my 40s in 2004 um is when i was 44 roughly so that's when it started and um when you really kind of realize things aren't as they seem things are different than what you think they are right so you mean as far as the government as far as um yeah you're you the concept of that there's a difference there's a difference

between the united states of america and the united states is two separate corporations united states america was a dejure republic incorporated in 1787 he got the united states which was incorporated just after the civil war all right and the united states is a fascist corporate military democracy, which is the worst form of government before you have total tyranny, which is what you're saying now. They want to set up a totalitarian state. So you don't want to be a U.S. citizen. You want to go back to the Dejure Republic. And that's what you want to be as a sovereign. You want to go back to the Dejure Republic of the United States of America. Now, when they have on your indictment, it says United States of America versus Matthew

you Cox, right? That United States of America is owned by Payne Weber, which is now UBS, but it's a corporation used within the court system. My court, I found out, I was done in Bradstreet. So that means they have, they have constituencies. They have a board of directors that want a profit. It's a company. Okay. It's such a fucking scam, man. It's incredible. incredible. It has nothing to do with, it has nothing to do federal anything. It's like the Federal Reserve Bank. It's not a bank. It has no reserves. It's not federal. It's a private corporation. Right. And the Titanic didn't sink it. And that's a whole different thing. That's a whole different show. I saw the movie. Yeah, but they switched it. They switched it with the Olympic. The Olympic was another boat. Yeah.

That boat had already had accidents and everything, and J.P. Morgan had invited John, what's his name, John Zucker, Gugenheim, and all these people were against the Federal Reserve, right? So he invited him on this initial trip of the so-called Titanic, but they switched it at the last from the Olympic to the Titanic. They switched. the names and everything that needed to go on the Titanic was not the Titanic, it was the Olympic. Because he up the insurance of it. And if you look in your computer right now, go to Google. Look at who owned the White Star

line who created the Titanic. And it was J.P. Morgan. He's a slick motherfucker boy. All right. So he needed to get rid of his enemies. This was 1912. And guess what happened in 1913? Federal Reserve Bank

is goes right through not a problem those bastards and they did it during christmas time nobody was there so let's go back to so what happened with your case like you were approached by somebody where you like you said in your 40s you started getting into the whole sovereignty thing and yeah but that's not why i went to prison the reason i went to prisons is. Um, I got caught up on a conspiracy of commingling. Okay. So basically, what were you doing? Telemarketing. I don't know what's people. It was sort of telemarketing. Like, I just call people. Not, you got to go to jail. And it was, it wasn't that many phone calls. It was maybe 35, 35, 35, 40 phone calls I did,

maybe. And what was the setup? What was the whole? I'll, I'll, that's doing. What was the setup? Tim Turner had a seminar, and one of the things in the seminar were regarding to 9-9-0 IDs. Ironically, I ended up in prison with Tim Turner at Oakdale, Oakdale, Louisiana. Anyway, he had done a seminar, and a bunch of us, this was at 2008, right around the housing bubble. Remember that when everything collapsed and kaput? Right? So everybody was losing their homes, and everybody knew that, you know, I knew stuff about foreclosures. And I also knew a lot about telemarketing because I'd been a telemarketer.

Right. And this friend of mine, Mike Bider, who is not doing 24 years, and David Klum asked me if, you know, I would do some telemarketing for them. I said, sure, why not? You know, I knew them from church and stuff, you know. So the way it works is they're basically doing a 1099-1099-0-D on your checking account. See, because everything you write into existence is basically a check, a promissory note. If you write for a house or for a car or student loan, anything it is, a promissory note on a UCC. 3-104 is basically a check.

It's a draft. And what the bank does is they take that, they deposit it into an account, then they fractionalize it anywhere from 9 to 18 times. So that house that you close on is actually paid for at closing. They get you into what's called a secondary, unconscionable statute-stable contract called the mortgage. Mortgage comes from the Latin word mortua, which means death. It's where we get our word for mortal, morbid, mortuary, mortician.

Mortgage is a death pledge. So, the bank is getting you into death pledge where that house is already paid for closing. So we were getting that money back for people using a 1099 OID. OID stands for original issue discount and you have to do an 80281 form to find out who the actual grantor is of the actual documentation. So I don't know, we had an IRS enrolled agent. I don't know if she did that 8281 form because you have to have that 8281 form to go with a 1099 OID all the time. So anyway, these people were getting. checks back, million dollars, $500,000, $2 million, whatever.

The spouse would get it, would say, oh, my God, okay, million dollars. I get, let me go down to the bank and cash it. They go down to the bank and cash it. And that's how we got caught up in a conspiracy of commingling, because those were private credits, and you can't mix private credits with public funds. okay so wait let's go back so one day you're working a telemarketing firm right telemarketing company you're well no i was i was working actually doing some real estate for you know some some folks to help them out saving their homes and stuff like that okay well and somebody comes to you and says hey there's this

guy what's his name who's doing a seminar tim turner tim turner so you go to the seminar with some of your some guys that also are they also believe like the whole sovereign citizen thing are these just friends or these just like who tells you about the seminar who tells me about the seminar I don't remember this is 2000 fucking fuck 2002 I don't know I've no idea so you go to the seminar there's what 20 people there 50 oh they're about 50 yeah okay so 50 people and Ted gets up and he explains. Tim.

Yeah. Tim gets up and he explains about the 1099. OID. OID. And he explains the whole thing and says, look, you know, when people borrow money from Bank of America to buy a house, Bank of America turns around and fractionalizes that mortgage and sells it for way more than was ever borrowed, something along those lines, right? Like, it's extremely complicated what you're saying. Well, he didn't just explain it. I mean, it's well known.

I mean, they don't lend any money. If you read it. Well, listen, if you, all right, write this down. I want you to look up the affidavit of Walker Todd. Walker Todd is an attorney for the Federal Reserve Bank. And he states, basically, that banks do not lend money. I remember this because I remember you talking about it. You actually had, like, I think you had the actual letter or something.

me it was in a bulk right hold on i think it's a halfway house calling okay no it's not somebody else hello anyway yeah it um yeah i had it in a book i don't know if i don't think you read it though but but no but you had it i remember you talking about and showing it and saying right and it was um they can't loan money of their depositors and they can't loan money of the original investors so where's the money come from you know what i mean they can't they legally cannot loan the money well okay so let's because that's going to be insanity here i mean that this is another show you know that you might want to do but i could bring you in for evidence on that also there's a video if you want on youtube called by dr professor richard werner and he goes into the facts

that banks don't loan money they take promissory notes to turn them in securities that they're that's all purpose for them to do. But somehow or another, you're saying that when I borrow $200,000 from Bank of America to buy my house, the moment I close on that, it creates a document that's fractionalized and therefore my, that one is already paid for. Yeah. So that house, no, no, that, you didn't have a loan. You just said the loan was paid for.

You didn't have a loan. It's like you signing a check and giving them a check. That house was paid for closing. They didn't loan you anything. There was no consideration. And if you know, the banks never show up at a closing. They're never there. You just created a trust where they became the beneficiary of this constantly monthly payment that you're making.

They didn't loan you any money, gave you no consideration. They don't, everything is fraud. From the moment they start, everything is fraud. Okay. So this guy convinced it says, hey, look, you know, I need you guys to make some, phone calls to get people to well no no the phone calls were from people had already taken the seminar so they already knew what was up they knew they had already been the seminar he gave me uh uh uh phone numbers or whatever to call you know uh his the guy who was with the guy who was

with um tim was his assistant his name was buddy love so buddy love would give me the the numbers and you know, and the names, and I'd call them up and say, hey, you know, you just went to the Tim Turner seminar, you know, and then I would go into my spiel about, you know, do you want to do it? You know, we can get it done for you, da, da, whatever. I said, I don't remember now. It's been too long. But basically, they were interested and wanted to do it. So I was able to get it. I don't know how many people involved in it, but they did it and they got money back.

So you guys would, you filed taxes, though, right? Didn't you do something on their taxes? Like you had to file some forms for them. Yeah, yeah. You'd do the 1099 OID, the 1096, the 1040V, the whole bunch of stuff. But we had an IRS and enrolled agent, Penny Jones. She was an IRS enrolled agent. So anything.

Does she work for the IRS? Did she? Yeah. No, she was an IRS enrolled agent, meaning that she went to classes or studied things that they had taught or whatever. but she wasn't an actual IRS agent. She was an IRS enrolled agent. It was just different. Okay.

So, so paperwork's filed. These people give you their paperwork. You then file documents for them. And then the IRS. She does. Okay. Well, she does. Yeah.

The IRS cuts a check. Back to them. And they got to have three approvals from three different departments to get that check to that customer. So the. IRS approves it they get the check but what they should have done listen to this this is what they should have done and I realize this later in prison you can't cash the check but they don't tell you that you got to sign it back over the treasury department you got to open up a trust with

them and say basically look you are the trustee on the beneficiary of this trust I had these debts the house the car the boat the whatever and i want you do a set off on them with my credits that's what they should have done but they didn't they just deposit the check and then we got caught up in a conspiracy of co-mingling okay so and i'm a solid guy matt i didn't have to turn anybody in yo no you went to trial i'm a solid guy matt how did that work out. So, so you do this and you do this and what happens. So they, they got back a bunch of money. Didn't a lot of people get money back? Weren't they cash in the millions? In the millions. So people were depositing money. In the millions of dollars. There was like a one was like half a

million dollars. One was like a million point something. One was, like there were millions of dollars being to pop. People are depositing the checks. If you look at my name on Google, hyphen tax case it goes into it says it was roughly 160 million dollars we got back okay roughly how long did this go on it wasn't long about six months was long so at some point who because once you once you got the customer and you you filed immediately i mean we you know it doesn't take that long to do because they would um do a 1099 out oad on their uh checking account everything they paid through that checking account would be oh iD so you know because everything you sign into existence is going through that checking account basically if you bought a boat you got a student loan

whatever loan suppose loan you know i say loan um it goes through that account and we got checks back pretty quickly okay so um so um so So at one point, though, the place gets what, busted, rated? You get target letters. What happens? Target letters, mainly. And so a target letter is a letter sent from a federal agency saying you're being investigated. Yeah, not me, but the other guys did, yeah.

I got busted by IRS, CID when I reported to my probation officer for the check thing. that my friend Jose got me in. I was still in probation for that. So I got busted at my probation officer's office by IRS, the ID. They asked you to come in for some reason. Well, I came in every month, I think, just to check in. And, you know, they knew when I was coming in. And so did they arrested you or just questioned you?

No, they arrested me handcuffs and put in the car. taking downtown so and i spent the night did you get out the next day oh nice yeah and then i was put on ankle monitor then again oh and then you got what a public defender and decided to go to trial uh you kind of forced to get a public defender i even tried firing him and michael bider to try to fire his attorney and they all try to fire their attorneys and they wouldn't let them that's how they get jurisdiction over you the bar stands for british accreditation registry they're all members of the bar if you know all attorneys have the name esquire after their name it's a title of british nobility okay okay so you're not making it up okay so you

You go to trial. Uh-huh. How many of you guys go to trial? Four. Four people go to trial. And how long was the trial? Month. 30 days.

What happens at the trial? You explain all of this to the judge. We all bend over and get fucked by the judge as well. You explain all this to the public, I mean, you explain all this to a jury. Is it a jury trial? Yeah. Jury trial. A lot of them were falling asleep because it was taxes, you know, tax is kind of boring.

But I asked the judge, I said, look, are we not allowed to confront our accusers? And if the accusers in the United States of America, I want the United States of America get on a witness stand. And I want to see the driver's license of this United States of America. Because there is no, there is no bodily injury. I mean, no one got injured. So I want to see who my accuser is. And the accuser also is supposedly the internal revenue service, not the United States. United States is a corporation.

It's not a landmass. Not the entire landmass of the United States, America is against us. Well, how, what the judge say? He wasn't too thrilled with that one. I'm assuming the United States. didn't show up. No. They said the U.S. attorney represents the United States government.

So, okay, so what it ends up? So anything else notable? Like, I mean, did you explain they didn't, that the court didn't have jurisdiction over you? Did you tell them that? Did you do the whole? Yeah, but they didn't want me speaking after a while. You know, they didn't want me talking.

Who didn't want you talking? the judge so i mean you can do some of these things but they don't want you uh you know i tried to fire my attorney but they didn't want that because that's how they get like i said that's how they get jurisdiction over you is through that attorney um but uh yeah i was uh it's quite the experience realizing they don't care about truth um i was bringing in some evidence that they didn't want to, they didn't want to bring the Ford. They didn't want anybody to see. One of his videotape.

You can watch it on, on YouTube. It's called America Freedom to Fascism, which is what the Irish said. Oh, yeah, I saw that movie. Yeah. The movie. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty good. That was a good movie.

Aaron Russo put it together. That was in the theaters. America Freedom to Fascism? No. It's Dr. Great. It's a documentary put together by Aaron Russo who did Trading Places with Eddie Murphy. I know. I saw it in, it wasn't like in like AMC theaters. It was in the, you know, kind of like the off. I saw it in the theater, though. It was kind of an off, you know, like where they do artsy films. Right. It was in one of those theaters. I saw it. I saw it when I was on the run. I saw it in, I saw it in 2006.

No kidding. Yeah. Okay. And you learn there is no law to pay taxes. Well, you know, I watched the movie. I listen to what they have to say. We've had this discussion where, you know, you can show me all this stuff and you can tell me all these stories and you can show me the law and everything. But in the end, they have the guns. They have the manpower and they have the prisons.

And if they say everybody's paying, everybody's paying. And the whole time they're dragging you away, you're screaming. this is illegal you can't do this you have no rights and you know you can complain the whole time you're locked up in prison yeah how you shouldn't be here your rights are right this way but you know you're going to do that time so um so what happens they they eventually they get you for how much how much 15 180 180 months 15 years for 15 years they find my a friend did 24 uh david clem and michael bider did are doing 24 years they get out for the covid thing or no i don't know i don't i don't keep up with them uh penny jones got 12 years

dale peters got 12 years he's got he i contact i mean we communicate the telegram and there was another guy named uh michael smith i think or john smith something like that he was in california he got out after three years. John Smith, that doesn't sound made up. So you went to prison and you... And I met Matt Cox. There you are. Did you do the 2255 or anything like that?

Or did you... Nah. And you know what? Didn't you appeal? Yeah, we did an appeal and that was denied. And Frank Amadeo wouldn't even take my case. No. no he wouldn't he he read it i mean i have i know i remember uh and he said he read it all in one

night i know how he did that i couldn't even read it in one night but um he said he read it but he wouldn't take my case for whatever reason i don't understand why mine i would think was simple compared of you know you know kidnapping or drugs or whatever but well i mean it was a month long trial in front of a jury that didn't buy the idea of the, that the, uh, the 1099 OID, they didn't buy it. Like they didn't believe that that was a real thing. And so, right, they, they eventually said, hey, you broke the law by getting this money back or filing these false tax returns.

And it was, what was the, it was actually tax fraud, right? Wasn't the, what was the actual? No, it was defrauding the United States government. Okay. That's what I went to prison for. It was the United States School Title 18 Section 20, no, it's 286 and 287. What was the dollar amount that they said you owe? $5.4 million.

$5.4 million. Yeah. I never saw, so I don't know how I can owe it, but whatever. The combination of all. That's my restitution. Was that money that they, did they ever get the money back from these people? They got it all back. And they want more on top of that.

Crazy, huh? So how long did you fight your case? So when we were locked up, you were fighting the entire time to get out once the appeal was denied. Because I remember you were waiting for the appeal to get denied in order to file your, like your straw man. claim to because you to get out of prison yeah but then i got shipped i got shipped so i you know how it is all your paperwork it's all discombobulated and shit so i got shipped after i think i was in coleman i think was it two years i think or year and a half few it was a couple years i think but yeah so two years and then i got shipped and then um i i got shit mainly because

i proved that the frp payment was all bullshit and they didn't like that at all at Oakdale, get a little of this when I was at Oakdale. No, I'm sorry. All right, this is what happened. I went from Coleman to Yazoo. Yazoo low, I was there for eight months, nine months, something like that. And then I was put at the camp for six weeks until I got caught with a cell phone. I got caught with a cell phone.

You're not supposed to have a cell phone, Chris. No. well let me tell you it was a shock when i got there the minute that the first i got there and the guard went around the corner that place opened up like a telemarketing room i couldn't believe it everyone was on the phone it was like what like a call center dude i couldn't believe it and so i mean i had to get a phone so i got a phone but the thing is i'm as you you know i'm blind so i was looking at the cell phone real close one night and all the like were off, and I was, you know, looking at it real close because I'm blind.

So the light is in my eyes, and I, you know, it takes a minute for you to focus the room. And this little guard came up on me and found me, you know, charging my phone. But anyway, anyway, I ended up at the pen, shoe from the camp to the pen? Yeah, because that's where they keep the shoe. I was there for six weeks, and then I went from there to Bloody Beaumont. And I was it, Bloody Beaumont low for two years. And that's when Hurricane Harvey hit, man. That was a, almost a ride started there because all the electricity was out.

That means you couldn't flush the toilets, dude. You couldn't, had no AC. the guards weren't showing up for work because they had their own issues. You know, their own houses were being flooded and stuff like that. So they weren't showing up for work. We couldn't get food. Couldn't use the toilet. I mean, they had to bring in porta poties in.

So the toilets were full. They couldn't be flush because there was no electricity. And they had to bring fans cabled in through. It was crazy. It was really. It was really a situation that was going to get bad real fast. But anyway, I wrote a BPA, after all that happened. This is like a year later, that United States Code Title 18 had never been ratified by Congress back in 1947.

Truman never signed it. And we all fall under crime and punishment, which is United States Code Title 18. They didn't have a quorum. A quorum was 218. they had 38 to 6 and they passed it during a holiday when nobody was really there. So Truman

never signed it because of a signed-di adjournment. It's like when a law is supposed to be brought forth for him to sign and he doesn't sign it by the end of the day. It dies. It's signed-di. You don't sign it, it dies.

Well, he didn't sign it, and they pushed it through anyway. So it never really ended up at the foot of registry and I have evidence for that and I made a BPA of that and man they put me in the shoe right away.

They didn't want anyone to hear about that. They put me in the shoe for three months dude for that shit and then they shipped me to Oakdale Louisiana. So you were basically telling the Bureau of Prisons that they didn't have jurisdiction over any of the inmates and basically they had to let

everybody go, right? And so they Okay But it's a fact It's true I know it's true Did you I have a question

Did you think the warden Was going to get that and go My God Let me look into this I have the director The Federal Bureau prisons Harlan Lapin letter That says exactly what you just said

What are we doing holding these people? Exactly. That's what his letter says. I can read it to you. I can get it for you and read it to you next time. I know your time is almost up here, but yeah. Open the gates. Let these guys out.

Chris, I can't believe. Chris Marrero. Oh, and I was also asking for $30 million once they weren't too thrilled about it. Why not? Money doesn't exist. there is no money there's no money so what did you want 30 million for because you need something what do you pay your rent with fed of reserve notes unfortunately i keep telling my landlord there's no there is no money he keeps they keeps having these cops

throw me out that's crazy but but it's true you would never see sign the whole time they're dragging you out of the house you're going but Truman never signed I hear you I hear you it's unfair oh

so then they released me because of COVID so I got out because of COVID that was the only good thing of COVID I guess and I got released in May 19 2020 Did you file for it? No. They released me other to the CARES Act, I guess, or whatever it was.

They just called you up and said, you're over 50. Yeah. I did more than just a little over half percent, 50 percent of my time. And they said, pack up. So the CARES Act was signed into law by who? Trump. Right. And that said that if you're over what, 50?

it didn't it 50 years old you only have to do like 50% of your time or something like that yeah yeah yeah so you do 50% of your time and you're in danger because of COVID yeah and they said kick rocks put this ankle monitor on go home get a job and they sent me to my ex-wife's house with her husband and she took you in they took you in they were like yeah but after a while it became a nightmare, oh, I had to get it. After a while, yeah, I can only imagine, look, while I was married and my ex-wife was happy, it was a nightmare. I can imagine if I had to go live with her and Nick right now. Oh, my God. We'd be like, I thought we were done with this guy. Thought he was locked up. What happened? Yeah, exactly. So, it's been a rocket ride that's for sure um okay so i do have a question because we didn't really touch on it but what happened when you made the judge the trustee what case was that oh that was the case of the checks that my friend Jose gave me um I made I did documentation to make

her the trustee so you were charged before you were placed on probation what happened I mean what happened you were charged you were arrested you got out the next day on a bond what happened well so I make her trustee of the case I don't remember the details of it all it was so long ago um but And she lied and said that I had missed a court case. And that's why she had the ability to arrest me. This bitch lied. I couldn't believe it because I show up to all my court cases.

I mean, all my court dates. And she said I had not shown up for a court case. And that's why she issued a warrant for my arrest. So when you say you made her the trustee, what did you do? like after you'd been charged you did something you filed paperwork you yeah if just people or make her trustee do full settlement closure of the account so you're saying that the indictment or charged on you was unlawful or was actually it's a trust it's all a trust everything is a trust and you made her the trustee i don't understand it and you made her the trustee i don't understand

And you made her the trustee to do a full settlement closure of the account. So the charge against you is a trust. Yeah, when they're charging you, it's like, for example, you go to a store and you buy something with a credit card. They're going to charge you on the credit card, right? Right. When you break a statute and code, they're charging the straw man account because you have a unlimited credits of the treasury so they're charging that account you got it okay yeah so what i'm asking her to do is just do a full settlement closure of this account because each case is an account

that's what i was doing i know sounds great and so you made her the trustee right you filed paperwork saying this whole thing is a trust and I'm making you judge the trustee and I'm asking you to close it out and she was upset yeah she was upset I made her a trustee and so she said she set a court date and said you missed it right

and then had you arrested brought back in front of her and what would she say to you I didn't know I didn't go in front of her and went something in front of someone else some other good conflict of interest because you'd named her as a trustee. Yeah, I think. Or something like that.

What that judge say? Did he find that comical or? No, they don't ever find anything comical. I know they don't. Like did he say, boy, you really got Judge Judy over here. She's really upset. Like, oh, you kill me. I can't stand her either.

No? Nothing like that? No. So what would they say? just oh just uh i remember it was just it was just uh they let me go i mean it was just uh stop it yeah it was just they didn't sentence me to anything or anything like that they just dismissed the case which is what i wanted anyone this is just stop this i see you filed this and it stop it i better not see my name as a trustee in this case and they said we're going to let you go because you're a

problem. That's what you want to be. You want to be a problem. Yeah. You don't want to be just lay down and let them walk all over to you. You want to be that problem. You know, Tim Turner said one time in court, he said, judge, what rank in the military do you hold?

And the judge dismissed the case right away. Let him go. They don't want to answer certain questions. because they're all admiralty maritime courts they're administrative courts they're not title three courts they're all administrative and if it's an amygic court they don't want to even discuss the fact that it's a military which is what it is so when you ask him what rank in the military do you hold he uh he he dismissed the case right away this is it's it's it's so the court is you're saying that courts are not criminal courts

they're maritime courts or something or what what is they're admiralty maritime courts yeah which is like i said you are a vessel on the sea of commerce your name and capital if you look at a cargo ship all the name all the letters are in capital letters so you are the vessel on a sea of commerce and basically they're pirates entering the vessel to steal all they can steal i mean steal your life steal your time steal your money you know it's it's crazy but they're thieves i mean on another show i'll show you evidence if you have time to be able to show the screen and show the evidence and whatever and hear whatever you know it's it's interesting stuff but putting it to our work in action sometimes.

You've got to remember. I'm going to say, but I still ended up in prison. I'm still, I'm still, I'm still, I'm still on an ankle monitor. You can't do this. You want to see it? Here it is. Oh, my God. Got it.

Did you tell your probation officer about this? no no you didn't tell them about the the veritime thing and they can't do this and no he didn't oh well no no i don't even talk to them about they're so stupid it's just you know it's not even worth the argument they're really dumb you got to go through the courts if you're going to go to all that but you've gone through the courts no i'm going to go again i got i got i'm doing a rid of habeas corpus and uh and uh to get rid of this ankle monitor dude it's just It's driving me nuts. It's really driving.

I've been on it for two years. They wanted to be on it until 2025 in September and then then put me in a three-year supervised release. It's like, come on, dude, don't do some telemarking. I mean, shit, Bill Cosby got off after two years raping 100 women's. Come on. Ridiculous. You should have been out there raping.

That's the wrong thing. I'm going to do a crime. Let me do it. I should have gone in the bank with a gun. And I'd have gotten, they'd have been like, three years, well,

you know what? He was already on probation. He's a felon. Seven years. Give him seven years. Instead, I used a pen and they said, oh,

hell no. 26. 26. That dude had a bick. Mm-mm. Was it a ballpoint? Yes, sir, it was a ball. Oh, hell no.

Four more months. an enhancement for the ballp. What the hell? Oh, man. Good time. Yeah, good times. So you're doing a habeas corpus motion to get off the ankle monitor, and then what is it? So what's going to happen with the house?

What are we going to do in all these houses start going under? Do you think a bubble? Oh, yeah, it's a tsunami of foreclosures coming up. Big time. Because during COVID, as you know, they did a moratorium. Mortarium's over. And there's going to be so many opportunities to get rich if you're, are you going to get back into real estate yourself or what?

If you're willing to rent out some houses, better foreclosure. No, I'm never doing that again. No. Wait, you don't have to worry about Jose's gone. Whatever his name's gone or whatever the guy's name that was Abner. His name was Abner. He's gone. know what went wrong the last time. We're not going to do that again. Yeah, I don't want to do

that again. I'm getting too old for this shit, dude. Fuck. Yeah, at this point, if I could just order a pizza once a week, turn the TV. I get to turn the TV. I can walk by my side. I don't have to put it on the schedule. I don't have to say, hey, can we watch, can we watch Walking Dead on Sunday where I like walking to put me on the schedule? I don't have to say that now. Now, want to walk to walking dead i just fucking say i'm watching it i got my own tv it's great feeling that ridiculous how ridiculous cook's a great feeling isn't it cook is still locked up yeah you remember cook yeah for how long oh i don't know he's whatever he got 15 years he's probably he'll be out in a few years five six red bull red bull still locked up fucking that guy what a maniac i liked him

I love Red Bull. He was super entertaining, he was smart, he was funny. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't invest my life savings with him. I can tell you that. That's a problem. I'm not buying a business opportunity from him. But, yeah, I'll hang out with him on a Friday night.

Yeah, we could go home. I wish I could help him to get out, but I can't, you know, you can't communicate with anybody in prison once you're, you know, you got this thing on your leg. Yeah. Yeah. But you're totally out on everything, no probation on nothing? No, I got probation. For how long?

Oh, five years. I'm on three years right now. I just filed a motion to try and get off. But because I owe $6 million, you know, they don't want to let you off when you owe money. Because, you know, they think I'm going to, if they keep me on probation, the whole five years, I'll have it paid off at $150 to, sometimes I pay a, hundred 150 sometimes i pay 600 sometimes it's 400 a month it depends on what i make but they somehow or another think well let's keep them on an extra two years because that that'll close the gap between the hundred dollars a month he's been paying in the six million you could challenge him and say what is money yeah my judge i have a good relationship with him so far

I'm going to so we'll see I did I put in a motion like a week or two and it was filed on July 18th so I'm waiting to see what happens the judge hasn't the government hasn't responded and the judge hasn't told them to respond so you know I think it's like 14 day after two weeks or something if nobody they don't respond then they just grant the motion right so I'm you know it was the 18th I mean What's today at 27th, 28, something like that? What is today? I don't know. I don't know.

Today's a 28, so it's a 28, so whatever, another week or so we'll see what happens. What kind of motion was it? It was just a motion to terminate my probation. I've done three years on a five-year probation. Everybody else I know gets half-time, like halfway through their probation, their probation, they let them go. Well, you know, I say probation, you said, you know, it's supervised release. but well no on me it's federal house arrest it's not probation it's not considered legally

probation it's i'm still i'm still in prison right i'm on supervised release right i always say probation because then otherwise people are like if i explain supervised release then they're like what's that it's like it's basically probation i'm it's probation but really the court still has jurisdiction over me right and i guess and for probation than the Justice Department has. But right now, has, I think, jurisdiction or the probation officer or something like that. But supervised release, technically,

the judge still has the say-so. You know? And so I filed a motion to say, hey, look, despite the fact that I still owe this money, like keeping me on an extra two years is not going to change anything. And my probation officer has said that, look, like, there's no reason for you to be on

probation. But because you owe money, I can't ask them to take you off. But she said, if they call me, I will tell them, look, I can't recommend they take you off. But to be honest with you, there's just no reason to keep them on probation. It's just, it's really just a more of a problem for her every month and for me every month because I have to fill all the paperwork. She has to look over the paper. Like, it's just stupid. Right. But I would like to get off, I'd like to get off paper. or probation when you know when i say paper people don't know what that means you have to understand most of the people that are watching these types of things like if i say paper like i'll say probation because i don't want to say supervised release because they don't understand but everybody

knows what probation is and i don't say you know a lot of times you're talking to another another um you know the guy that's been locked up you know you'll say well i want to get off paper and they're like paper what's paper i want to get off my probation so we'll see what the judge says And Boziac doesn't have any, does he? Boziac has never successfully completed a probation. He has been on probation most of his life. He has never completed one. He just fucks up so many times while on probation.

They eventually say, like literally his last one, the judge said, you are unsupervisable. Yeah, I saw that show. Get out of here. Let just go. He's like, well, I, now. We're just canceling it. We're done with you. You're just a waste.

You're a waste of the probation officer's time. So, yeah, that's it. He lucked out. All right. So we're pretty much done. You're on ankle monitor. We're doing the countdown. You're going to file some motions.

I'm assuming that you'll, whatever you're filing, they'll bill denied or throw you back in jail. So it's fine. You know, that happened. The writ is going to be pertaining to, United States Code Title 18 that it wasn't ratified by Congress. Are you serious? Yeah.

Isn't your, have you filed anything with your, with the judge about this whole thing? Not yet. You did the appeal and you never refiled anything. No. So this will be the first time he hears about the United States, the never ratified. Should be a good, we'll have to hear about that. We'll have to do an update. I'd love to see the response.

all right good times i'm sure he's going to accept that and be like out absolutely oh my god what's been happening let i've been making so many mistakes let these guys out hey if you like the video do me a favor and hit the subscribe button um hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this also leave me a comment in the comment section to say if you enjoy this video or anything you think I could have done to improve it. And yeah, I'll definitely try and I will try and respond to any comments left in the comment section. And thank you very much to Chris Marrero for telling us about all kinds of stuff. And yeah, I appreciate it. And thank you guys very much. And I will, I'll see you.