Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Stealing $7 Million from Kelloggs | Matt Cox Inside True Crime

Episode Date: August 5, 2023

Stealing $7 Million from Kelloggs | Matt Cox Inside True Crime

She saw the checks where, like, Publix or Win Dixie paid Kellogg's for their supply of cereal. So can you imagine the size of those checks? I don't know. A couple hundred thousand, millions, millions? Like $7, $8 million. And this was back when they were paying in checks. Right. So.

Hey, this is Matt Cox. This is a podcast and or the true crime podcast with Zach. With Zach. Yes. And we're going to be going over and I, you notice I did not talk in the mic, doesn't matter. Nobody expects professionalism from me. Absolutely.

So not even me. So I, we are going to be going over questions that were asked by viewers. Some of the questions are for Zach and some the questions are for me. and summer for both actually summer for both okay cool are you ready you ready I'm ready all right so

apple shampoo which is one of my favorite flavors you you said you want to turn some of your stories into movies who is your dream film director to be able to work with oh man

who did you know what's who I mean I have a few and I don't know any of their names but, you know who, so hold on. Who directed matchstick men? Great movie. Sorquee.

Oh, Ridley Scott. Ridley Scott. Of course, you're never going to work with, I mean, who am I'm never going to work with Ridley's, something's gone drastically wrong in the universe. Ridley's, he's more of the real intense murder type. But he did matchstick men, you know, or you could, you know, there's Martin, you know, or Scorsese and, you know, that sort of thing. But I mean, you know, but who's my, you know, obviously those would be amazing, but, you know.

I'm thinking Tarantino. Oh, Quentin Tarantino. Oh, yes. Some of my stories. Like he could start it from the back and working to the beginning when you. No, not, not me. They're talking about, I don't think they're just talking about my stories. I mean, in general, like some of my true crime stories.

Right. Listen, I've got some Scorsese stories. Like, I've got some insane. Like, that's so out there stories. stories, he would be, that would be amazing. Does he do true crime though? Like he was like Pulp Fiction. Or Sacey or Tarantino?

Quinn Tarantino. Oh yeah. No, no. He does crime. Yes, he pretty much writes, he loves crime. He pretty much writes his own stuff anyway. You know, it's all his creativity, what's in his mind. Like he kind of goes whatever he sees.

But I think he'd be great, the, add the music and the flavor. It would be great is, uh, so did you ever see Argo, the movie Argo? No. You probably, okay, so it was about the Iran, about the Iranian hostages. I still didn't see that. I didn't. That was a great movie. So that was written by, it was a story that was in Wired Magazine called The Great Escape,

and it was written by, gosh, I can't believe I can't remember his name. Anyway, he actually has a website called Epic Magazine. It's not Kevin Paulson. Kevin Paulson. It's not Kevin Paulson. Anyway, the point is, is that he wrote the article. Article got picked up. It got bought by Matt Damon. So it was optioned by Matt Damon's production company. Then Matt Damon, is it Affleck? Is it Affleck? Affleck. Came to Matt Damon. He's like, look, they were talking. He's like, I want to do that film. And he's like, look, I don't have time to do it. I'd love to do it. I optioned it. Do you want to take the option? He goes,

yeah, he took it and then he turned it into the movie Argo. Great movie. I got to check that I can't believe I can't remember the guy's name who runs Epic Magazine. I mean, I got a buddy who actually knows him. You know, we're podcasting now. You're mumbling. Come back. Come back. How about the next question is from Austin Navarro?

Beerman. Joshua Beerman. Sorry. He's a writer. Go ahead. He wrote. He wrote. Sorry, Austin.

Sorry, he's not. All right. out of curiosity when you first started doing somewhat shady or illegal things not the paperwork for the mortgage files but physically going into bank branches and stuff like that how did you feel on the inside outside the first few times i mean it's florida so on the outside i was warm it was hot muggy my shirt was sticking to me because it does inside the house it practically sticks to you it's so fucking human anyway um so So I think I actually answered this in the comments to him, to, is it Austin? Yeah. Okay. So, and actually I talk about this in my book.

I think Colby should put my book up right here, just a picture of the book right here. Anyway, what you can buy on Amazon. It's called Shark in the Housing Pool. I actually talk about that the first time I went into a bank and I talked about how I went in multiple times. This is how bad it was. I went into the bank to open up a bank account with a fake. And I don't mean a fake ID like I got it from some Russian website and actually looks pretty good. I mean, I made it myself.

I actually took my real driver's license, sanded off the information, but managed to leave most of the hologram on there. Took a piece of transparency, printed the new information of the fake person I was going in as. I forget what his name was. I think was Joel Cologne. Now I think about it. So I actually did that in reverse. then I glued the piece of laminate over it, trimmed it out, buffed it up a little bit, buffed the sides, and literally it was, it looked solid, but it wouldn't pass anything.

Like, I can't imagine it would pass. It looked pretty good, and I actually went in the bank. I talk about why I went in the bank. Let me talk about just sit to your stomach. I mean, terrified. On Xanax, like, that's literally like, boom, like I'm on Paxil, I'm on Xanax. I'm so flipped out. So, but I walk in there, and I sat down.

the worst thing you ever want to happen happened the after i walk in and they're like oh which which checking count would you like i was like oh you know the gold the silver the people i'll take the gold you know and they're okay and i give her a lot you know she's doing the thing she runs is runs takes my license puts it on her little puts it on her little uh keyboard and goes oh okay uh mr uh you know mr cologne okay how are you do you work around here okay she's typing away and all of a sudden And she goes, hmm, hmm, that's strange. Bro, the overwhelming sense of anxiety that hit me, it was like heat. It was like a blow dryer shot from my knees up through my chest.

And I swear I immediately started sweating. Like I felt like I was sweating. Now, I didn't freak out or anything. I remember there was outside. Oh, yeah. I think I felt okay outside like I looked okay. but I mean inside I was like boom Oh it's horrible

Horrible Pitching a scream There was a cop They had like an off duty cop That's actually in his uniform But he was in the I mean all I could think about Was like how can I bolt

How can I get out of here Like I'm like all these things Are running through my head like out Where am I going to go Like my car's in the parking lot Like that was stupid What were thinking Like all these things you're sitting there going

Oh okay And she went Huh Picked up the license looked at it looked at me and held it up to the light like to the reflection and went

and twisted it and I what's happening I was just like I was like this is the worst thing ever were you talking did you say anything?

I'm sitting there like looking at her like gee that's why are you doing that like I'm talking to myself but kind of like I'm not saying anything to her but I'm going

huh like I'm looking like at her and she goes hold on one second gets up and walks off I mean motherfucker

walks over to the manager goes into her office she comes out they come out she walks over they're standing in front of this woman's cubicle

or whatever it is she's standing and she's like really huh they both look over at me then she hands her the ID the bank manager

whoever she was talking to hold it up looks for the reflection tilts it a little bit you know does the little and goes looks over at me again says something

hands or the ID back she comes walking so whatever her name is Mary or whoever name comes walking back over sit down puts the puts the card back on her little on her little

keyboard and goes okay and so and I go is everything okay and of course I'm like and I'm thinking like are the cops coming you know are they going to put me in a prison where my mom can come visit

it? Like, I mean, what's good? Am I going to have a, am I going to have a celly named Bubba who thinks I have pretty lips? And what's happening here? Like, what's going on? So anyway, she, she goes, and I said, hey, I said, everything okay. She goes, yeah, it's just strange. I ran you through check systems and there's no, she said, there's, there's no history of you ever having been run through check systems. And I've never seen that before. Now, of course, what she didn't say, which I obviously know is, and I thought possibly you were using a fake ID and trying you to get us to own an open a bank account. She didn't say that, but like everything you just said makes sense, but the ID, so her, of course, leap was fraud. She didn't say that. She said, so I just thought

it was weird. That doesn't explain why you took my ID. You know, it does, but she didn't say that why. She didn't say, so I made the leap that maybe you were committing fraud. Anyway, so she sat there and she typed it up and she's like, okay, how much would you like to start the account with? I'm like, $500 and gave her $500 and she opened the thing and did thing, came back, and what kind of checks do you want, and give me the basics? And I left, I walked out, and I was like, holy Jesus. So I opened another bank account, and I remember this one, there's a bank called Bank of Atlantic. And I opened a bank account with Bank of Atlantic. And that was a guy named Lee Black. I opened that account. It's funny because, like,

in the book, like, I'll mention a guy's name and then you never really hear about him again. Right. You know, so like there's a whole line of fraud that I never talk about because There's all this other stuff I didn't mention because they didn't really further the story. But yeah, Lee Black, I remember I mentioned where he's, it was the exact same routine. But it was a guy. Right.

Came in. I really only had one bank account ever shut down. Like after I did like Lee Black, I was so confident. Like I had done maybe a couple other. So now I've done two or three. Right. And I was so overly confident or confident.

I walked into a bank one time. And instead of opening the account with like $300, $200, I walked in, gave the guy the thing, he looked at it, came back, he goes, huh, that's funny. It says this, it says that. Oh. And he, like, looked at the thing. It was like, that's fun. And he just kept going.

He didn't get up and do anything. He just kind of looked at it and was like, do you have your social security card? I was like, yeah, I do. And I gave him that. And he looked at it. He was like, okay. And he just went ahead and kept going. Right.

Open the account. And I opened the account. I'll never forget with $1,000. That's how confident you were. Right. But here's the problem. The problem is that like three or four days later, he called the phone, the cell phone, the drop phone I was using. Yes.

Or the burn phone, whatever you want to call him? He called it and left a message. I called him back. I said, yeah, what's going on? He said, yeah, we're going to have to close your account. I was like, really? He said, yeah, it's just there's several problems. I really don't want to get into them, but there's several issues.

so I said okay well when can I come get the can I come get my money my money and he goes oh no no no we mailed it to the address you gave us so he mailed a check for a thousand dollars that of course you know I can never cash like I can't cash that check because what if you know there's the very good there's a very good chance that not only did he realize something's wrong but he also realized maybe he contacted the authorities maybe he who knows so that's almost the same scenario when someone catches you and they call you up and they go hey uh yeah can you come on into the bank uh i need you to go ahead and sign i forgot to have you sign something like i'm never going back in that bank no so um like this guy

dug dot i knew like they were shipping packages and one day they get a call from like the u.s postal post guy he's like yeah can you come in and uh i have i need you to come in and sign something or go Signed for a package. Same thing with Boziac. That's how Boziac got caught. This guy? Yes. That's how he got caught.

The old man opened up a package at the UPS store, opened it up, and then called him and said, hey, you have a package here to pick up? So he walks in. The Secret Service is there waiting for him. So, I mean, any time you get called to come back and sign, just walk away. It's over. It's not worth it. So same thing, that $1,000 check, gone. A grand.

Gone. I could use that grand right now. I mean, I understood. I wish you get it back. For me, it's a little bit different. Like the first time I did that, I did have a fake ID. I was buying them from like a street vendor of fake IDs. And like understanding banking a little bit, I guess better than you,

I knew that the driver's license number and the social security number, all that information has to match because they do like a DMV check just to verify. Mine did, but he'd never. been through a bank account. There was no inquiry. They felt it was weird. Like, there's no inquiry. It checked out. But there's, it's like when, if you're 35 years old and somebody pulls your credit and goes, you've never had your credit pulled. Like, that's weird. And every time they were like, so then they look at the ID and it was questionable. It's a questionable ID. I mean, I never had it not pass. But trust me, it was questionable.

But anyway, go ahead. So, all right. So I went in there with a, like, you had a good idea. You had a good idea. Good idea. Well, the information was good. Right. So I wasn't going to ever get the, hmm, that's interesting. That's weird. Well, yeah, you're good. Yeah, you're, but the, but the strangest thing. It's a real person though, too. Right. It's a real person. So they put it together. The strangest thing that ever happened is like I went in there with a guy that I had convinced like, hey, this is work. You've seen me do one the other day. I did one. This is absolutely going to work. So we go in and we sit down with one of the bankers and it's a guy, a gay guy, sweet as candy. And he, yeah, hey, so he looked at the ID one time.

So we go in and he's typing it up, you know, he's asking us questions. He gets the ID and he holds it up and he looks. And he puts it back down. And he, like, what kind of account do you want? Give me the information. He puts the information and he goes in. And he's, all right, well, let me go get the paperwork and process everything. So he steps out to get the paper.

And we're in there talking like, ooh, this is easy. This is good. He's gone for a good minute, not a super good minute. Like some people have left and they've been gone so long. I'm like, look, I'm leaving. I don't know what the hell or where they're at. You know what I'm saying? I'm gone. But he was gone for a good minute, but not a intimidating minute. So he comes back, gets the ID, gets the paperwork. He goes through, gives us the checking paper and all the information, gives us the ID back and said, okay, your account's open. I went ahead and put your money in the account. $100 and the account's open so you'll be able to access it online and everything's good and that police officer will be waiting on you when you get ready to leave and we're like our heads whip around with noise like

like we're going when did you know right and so did you just steal $100 from me I'm going to get arrested but you just your account is open but yeah yeah you'll never be able to access that but I

Yeah, yes, yes, swear to God. Like, we're in the police car going, you know, to be honest, when did he? Like, that's a banker. That's a, that's a solid, like, like, I shouldn't be shocked. You shouldn't be shocked? Yeah, that's a banker. Oh, he was, like, we're in the car going, like, where did that come from? You got.

Where did that come from? You got. The police at the door. Like, you don't even, like, you might have seen him come in like, oh, there's a cop there. Anyway, all right, here you go. And that cop's going to want to talk to you ready to leave. Because he was so smooth about it. He was.

incredibly, incredibly smooth about it. Yes. I hate that. He doesn't, like, I have tale-tale signs for when stuff like that goes on. Like, I watch their hands because once they realize that they're in the midst of whatever setting you up or in the crime, they get, they get nervous. They get a lot of anxiety. So they're handshake because that's a natural reflex. He had none of that.

He was absolutely professional at all times. He's a great guy. If you're watching, hats off. Hey, wait, didn't you're... This is going to spark something, bro. Don't, do not spark anything because I'm still... I still got burns from the last spark. Do you know anybody else that's ever walked into a bank and actually got an ID

like that wasn't even like, like you had the, Oh, no, no, not a bank, but went and got an actual driver's license or an ID from the DMV. Do you know anybody that's ever done that, that literally had a, provided a birth certificate and they were the wrong race? Yes. Do you want to tell that story? Maybe. Look at it. You can say no.

You can say no. I don't even know if that's a story. That just goes to show you that our civil servants aren't very attentive. That's not actually a story. It's funny, though. It is. To me, what's hilarious about it is. What is, what is it?

What is it? What's hilarious about that story is I'm there during that whole process. So we're requesting the information and they bring it. Okay, we need you to sign here and such as such. And the person actually grabs it and we leave and they act like they're mad. It's like, first of all, we had to wait 10 minutes. And then she gives me this thing that says, that says I'm black when clearly I'm white. And I'm like, okay.

It's like the perpetrator is upset. Like, she doesn't even do her job. Oh, yeah. That's how crappy she is to give me that. I mean, she sucks. Like, I could rip her off days on end. I always say when I would make a fake birth certificate and I would go into the DMV and get them to issue me like an ID. so I remember like listen I slaved over these things I mean I'm I'm baking them so the paper's

crispy I'm doing all kinds of stuff I'm putting splashing coffee on them I'm folding them up five times I'm you know I mean I'm missing them I'm doing all kinds of stuff I got bleed through the letters everything seals they're perfect and then you get to the DMV and I'm like this thing is amazing looking you get to the DMV and they go okay you got this you got this this is your birth certificate okay that's fine And it's almost like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, you look at this. You admire, like, they just discarded it.

Amen. Do you have any idea? Like, that's it. That was that cursory. You rub the seal and it's fine. This is a fucking work at a bard. What are you talking about? Look at the bleedthru on the back from the security code.

I've looked at this for hours. Yeah, this is. You have no right to ignore my work. I mean, it's upsetting. It is. It is. It's a good kind of upsetting, though, because the bad kind is the, is the, okay, that police officer will be waiting for you over there when you leave. Here's everything you asked for and a trip to jail. Talking to sergeant. Can we get coffee? No. Just, yeah. Okay, so what's the next one? All right, next question is for me. We'll never get through this. This is going to be an hour.

What is Zach's relationship with friends and family now that he's a free man? Have people stop talking to him? no towards the end you were pretty much surrounded by nothing but criminals anyway yeah that's true yeah that's true towards the end so and and criminals like people who've been arrested or people who've been around or related to people who have been arrested have no opinion about the criminal justice system it seems like it's like an everyday part of life right grocery shopping now some there America locks up so many people that it's no longer a taboo to have been to prison or been arrested. That's just how many people get locked up.

So some people still have an opinion, but most of them, like, I'd say about 80% of the population now, it's like, if you're under 30 or 30 or under, absolutely, like, arrest is a everyday part of life. Well, so they get arrested protesting. Like the younger people now protests all day. They're out there marching and they get arrested and let go, arrested, and let's Like, so I was like a badge of honor. Yeah, it is.

It is. But I have a different perspective. Like I have a different, like a different experience with that. Like I think that upper middle class white people, it's a taboo. Like, you know, you're, you know, like for my sister who's, you know, an upper middle class, you know, suburban mom and her husband's a prominent attorney. And, you know, I have friends that are, where, you know, CPAs and, you know, their lawyer, CPAs, you know, doctors, dentists, like, they don't want anything to do with you. But I had a vastly different group of friends because I had a group of friends.

My closer friends who were involved with me, they know. Like, they're doing little shady stuff, but it's like if you're an appraiser and you're doing little stuff on the side for me, you're still have the perception that you're a legitimate person, you know, and I had a friend that was, one, it was a CPA, I had another person that was a they owned an insurance company and they also did taxes so this is a legitimate woman who's got a husband a child and she's doing fake taxes for people that don't exist you know 1040s two years 1040s plus a a profit loss statement every single I mean she's doing five six seven maybe 10 for me every month every single month and she's doing them keep mind

this is the same kind of kind of person that they vote they're they go to the pta they go to all the soccer games if somebody's child gets arrested it's like oh my gosh he did that oh that's horrible i can't play you know well you're committing fraud every single day just because you never got indicted but those a lot of those people the legitimate people so some people were next to me and they knew what was going on other people were outside of that like my sister my brother my other sister you know people that had legitimate people like they're like completely like they don't say my brother's in prison they're like ignore the whole thing like they don't want to know about it they don't want to be associated with it at all they're embarrassed they don't want to come see me in prison i'm not going to

go up to a prison i have to wait in line and be around prisoners and it's like well yeah so it's like no that's not happening um and then you have other people that were close to me that came to see me in prison. Like I had my close friends that, you know, drove from Atlanta, Georgia to come see me, you know, several times. People came from Tampa to see me. You know, your mother's going to come see you no matter what.

Right. You could run over a busload of children. And she said, oh, he's really a nice boy. He didn't see him. Unless they tell the cameras, but yes. So, yeah, I, um, but I also, here's the funny thing. So the core members of the group when I was in Tampa, but not when I was on the run, but when I was in Tampa that were committing fraud with me,

that were listed on my indictment but were never prosecuted. So there's a guy named Rudy R. Knott's who was listed on my indictment, but never prosecuted. Another chick named Kelly Bailey, like these are all people in Tampa that are legit people, like people look up to them, like they're a successful realtor, successful broker, successful real estate investor. Like, literally, when I see them, I saw Kelly Bailey one time. Right. So I'm with this guy, Eddie Sorales. We're walking. We're walking out of some, he was doing some seminar. Your recent release? Recently. Oh, this was a year ago. Okay. But just before COVID. So I had gone to,

Eddie Sorales does like a training seminar. And I went to the seminar and was listening to him and him talk and do this training seminar. And I'm leaving. And as I'm walking out, I see this woman, Kelly Bailey. And she sees me. And we stop and I go, Kelly. I said, what's going on? And she. And she looks at me and she goes like she doesn't recognize me and Eddie goes you don't you don't know who this is he goes it's mad and she went oh um I said I know you thought I was in prison I said I just got out like that I said I said they messed up and I'm like laughing and I'm thinking she's going we were friends we were close friends and here's the beautiful part about it, is that I'm looking at her and she's so overwhelmingly just disgusted by me.

And I'm looking at her and I'm thinking, oh, you think you're a legitimate person because you didn't go to prison. Like I didn't say this, but I'm thinking, oh, you're one of those people that, keep in mind, I can't tell you, probably close to a million dollars in fraudulent. loans that I provided for Kelly Bailey, where she didn't qualify, where she's going to closing with $30,000 and she's walking away with $100,000. I mean, that's a cashback scheme. Plus, your employment is faked. You know, the property is horrible. Like the property doesn't, it doesn't qualify that the appraisals fake, all of which you know. Or the property is gutted inside,

and I get the appraiser to say that the property's in perfect condition and show pictures of another property to get you the loan and get you the money back to rehab. I mean, it's fraud from A to Z. The only thing that existed that was true was she actually showed up and signed.

Like everything, the employment's fake. Everything's fake. And I'm looking at her and I'm like, oh, wow. Like, because you bought all these properties and because you never got indicted, you think you're a legit person. You've got everybody so fooled.

You've fooled yourself. Yes. Like you're believing your own press. And listen, I almost wanted to say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't know who you look at it. Like I almost dove down that and I just looked at it and I went, well, you know what? I hope you're doing great.

And I just went ahead and did the whole thing and I'm looking at her. But I mean, deep down and she had to know. know. Like, I remember. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. It's just like, yeah. It's like, remember the time you walked away with, I know what you are. Remember the time you walked away with $100,000? Remember that time you walked away with $150,000 or $60? Remember in that time? I mean, there's just left and right. There was just one after another. You know, all those real estate, all that stuff that houses you were flipping? All fraud. Like all of us fraud. But yeah, same thing. So that was one. Another one was a guy named Rudy R. Knott's who's a realtor in Tampa. Yeah. so this is funny i went to the halfway house so i'm in the halfway house and as soon as i get at the halfway house right like i'm looking people up i'm looking up you know allison i'm looking up so-and-so i'm friending people i figure out how facebook works because i've never been on facebook right they didn't have iPhones when i went in so i'm looking at all the stuff and oh this is cool oh hey look at

allison let me say oh hey who's so all of a sudden i'm like oh but there's rudy Rudy are nots, which Rudy was my, Rudy was my cut partner. Right. You know, like, like we get 100 grand. Like Rudy gets 25, he gets 25, I get 25. This guy, like, we're all cutting it up. Whether you are involved in it or not. Absolutely, we're doing good.

Now, he was, no, he was involved. So, I mean, I go and I message him, bro, what's going on? I'm in the halfway house. I just got out. You know, hit me up. Here's my phone number. oh man you know we got to get together i love to talk to you catch up see how see how's everything how everything's going definitely give me let me know what's going on call me right so like the next

day alison calls me she says hey say hey what's going on she says um so you message rudy huh and i go like alison lives like five states away she lives in one of those square states It's in the middle of the country somewhere, you know. I was educated in Florida. I can't tell you the name of it. And it's one of them. So she, yeah, something like that. Yeah.

So she's like, yeah. So yeah, you contacted him. And Allison went to prison. So Allison, who went to prison in the scam, talks to me. No problem. Totally like accepting of everything. Rudy, who never should have gone to prison for millions. and millions. His count should almost be the same as mine. His money count should be the same

because he's involved in every transaction. He's the one acquiring the properties, writing the contracts. I mean, he's doing every, he's involved in every aspect, just like me. So he ends up saying, so he, after he got my message, he contacted a mutual friend of ours by the name of Jason. Jason turned around and contacted Allison, told Allison you need to call Matt because Rudy said let Matt know that let Matt know

that if he ever contacts me again I'm going to have his probation revoked and have him thrown back in prison tell him I said I contact my lawyer and tell him that my lawyer said that he I know it's that my lawyer said he is not allowed to contact me and he will contact he will call my probation

your probation officer and have you thrown back in prison first of all i'm already i'm in the halfway house i'm still in prison i don't have a half i don't have a uh a probation officer at this time i haven't met with any so i immediately she's like yeah so don't contact him again i mean you know i said no i understand i got right back on messenger and i said when did you become such a bitch and i immediately was like i don't know what you think i reached out to you because we were friends at one time. You know, don't think for one second that, you know, you weren't 100 as guilty as I was in this fraud. And I like lay out. I said, bro, you are on my indictment. Just because they screwed up and didn't send you to prison doesn't mean that you're not a criminal. I was like, you

pussy. I mean, I just went. I went in hard. I said, and as far as your lawyer's concern, I said, by all means, forward this to your attorney and have him send it. I said, I'll, I said, I'll talk to whoever the fuck I want to talk to. Do you understand? And send it to him. Because of course, the truth is you can't throw me back in jail for talking to somebody this is like the talking to the guy that works at you know mel's hot dogs if you ever talk to me again i'm going to call your probation officer call him yeah who are you you're nobody let me dial the number yeah get to talk yeah yeah you've got a you've got a false sense of importance so no i did that and he came back again you let him know come on listen this is a guy who like did like cage five

like he was into taekwondo and martial arts this guy actually went telling me about yes super this is a guy from belgium super fit he was a short italian guy well it's like actually he's like 510 like he'd beat the brakes off me but still matter of fact there's a video of him on youtube interviewing the guy that like some guy that has something to do with Lamborghinis like he loves Lamborghinis he's actually on youtube you should check out you should check out his channel you can leave a message for him um so yeah he uh he's just you know what a what a jerk off like some people like they just they're delusional it's like you're delusional like i just wanted to catch up and be like hey bro what's going on how are you doing i'm trying to be a jerk to you yeah

you made me be a jerk to you you made me be a jerk to you rudy stop making him be a jerk bring out the nice match yeah god i just wanted to have lunch and catch up you know what's so funny too this is a guy that always i love this oh god i hope he sees this this is a guy that always refers to himself as a developer like his business card says developer he's never you're a realtor you've never developed anything in your life stop introducing yourself to people who say yeah what do you do I'm a developer. No, you're not.

You open doors for a living. Well, he's developing developing. I mean, yeah, he's working on the process of being a developer. He's developing developer position. Yeah, well, in that case, I'm a, in that case, I'm a producer. There you go. Yeah, I'm a producer. I'm a producer.

What have you produced? Well, just baby steps. Baby steps. Sorry, dad. All right. This one's for me. So I get to talk. That's fine.

All right. Good. Good. I'm going to go. Zach. when you were doing the rental car scam, did anyone ever go and return a car that was wrecked? That was wrecked.

And you were on the hook. I know you mentioned usually they didn't bring them back. But you didn't buy them in your, you weren't doing them in your name, though. Well, I sign them up under company and corporations names. And I would sign up for the corporate logo. So, like, they would refer to me. So, yes, I had people bring.

So you open corporations in your, You opened a name? You opened a corporation? No, no. It wasn't in my name, but it's just I opened corporations in names. Okay. And all right. So, yes, they brought the car back wrecked.

Sometimes they told me, sometimes they didn't. So the rental car company one time would call me up. I have a story for both. So one time that they brought it back wrecked that they didn't tell me, the rental car company calls me up and says, hey, what happened to our car? I'm like, what do you mean? We turned it in. He's like, no.

yeah you turned it in parts of it you turn it in but you know the bumper the front bumper is kind of hanging and dragging you know what I'm saying um the the and this is a car that you got so if nobody watched it this is a car that you rented in the name of a corporation and then you gave it to like a drug dealer who gave you cash and then he drove it around for two weeks and when it's supposed to return it and when he returned it it's it's wrecked it's wrecked so they're calling me what happens. So when I call this guy up, he's like, what? I have no idea what they're talking about. That's amazing. You know, these people lie. I'm like, why would someone call and, all right, you know, people are such. You're off the hook. You're off the hook. Yeah. Don't worry about it.

All right. And one time, well, it's a couple of instances that comes to mind. But one time, they call me up and the car is teetering on, it's like, okay, listen, we're a band. They, they call me and say we're abandoning the rental car. We're walking down the highway right now. I'm like, you're abandoning the rental. What are you leaving it? Yeah, yeah, we're not going back. See if you can book us another rental car. I'm like, okay, well, what happened? Can you give me a breakdown of what's going on? Well, the rental car is actually dangling off an overpass where like they swerved because they were either drinking or they were driving the wrong way down the overpass and they tried to get back where they were supposed to go. And now it's dangling off the middle. And

managed to get out and it's like okay let's go should we call somebody let's call Zach let him know that we're leaving the car and our belongings can you call him and get our stuff back absolutely I mean

yeah let me let me run it's the ground they'll return it you know what I'm saying so those are incidents where yes they've returned to rental car wrecked or damaged or stolen without actually giving any type of long explanation about what happened

thank you and you deal with criminals they're not they're irresponsible they are irresponsible all right it says were you ever on American greed or something similar I'd like to see that episode

talking to Matt no I was not soon though we're working on it working on it put me on American greed they canceled it they canceled it

yeah they did canceled it like two years a couple years ago they did but they have something similar now they're always gonna have there's always gonna be three or four of those shows

you know, constantly going. There's a thousand channels. Yeah. Like the court TV, I think they have something like that talking about. White vice does them. There's whatever happened to

the best version I've ever seen of the of the doc that's repetitive of the documentary reenactment is locked up abroad. Like you ever see locked up abroad? Those were great. They really did a great job

of doing them. Those reenactments? Those weren't Yeah, no, they always had reenactments. They do The interview cut with the reenactment of the crime. They had the reenactment of the crime. Well, they would do the crime and the guy in prison too, because a lot of times it happened and stuff happened in some of these guys' things, almost the whole thing happens in prison. Like some of them almost the whole thing is the crime.

Then I got arrested and I did three months and I got out. Other guys, it's like I got arrested and the rest of the whole thing. And I did 10 years in a Spanish prison or something. and you're like, or French prison or whatever. 10 years in our prison is unbelievable. All right. It says, does a common, there's a common con man. They put it together, kind of threw me off.

Does a con man ever work with another con man? Or are they just two egomaniacs to share the leadership? It's definitely you. It's definitely you. This is a you question. This is a you question. So I would say yes. And if you partner, if a con man partners up with another con man, it's generally to perform a task

or a, or a job, kind of like Oceans 7 or Ocean 11, which one? Ocean 11. Ocean 11s. It's kind of like that because all of those guys were leaders. They're people who have certain expertise. So if you work with another con man, you're basically bringing them in to get them to accomplish something that you yourself can't accomplish. So you basically partner up with that person to share the proceeds. So you both kind of have a common goal. When you're going in to work

together, you're probably not lining up to continue to work together, but you're probably like getting together to pull off something to get a certain amount of money and then maybe breaking it off. Generally, if I were to team up with Matt, like I would probably be learning what he does and going, okay I got it I'll see you later I think I can do this myself you know what I'm saying and you like okay thank you I got some information from you I'll see you later I think I can do what you do myself and we would probably just split even though we would split split off and just probably done this is back in our day though probably done our own thing I was saying we used to always say when we were locked up like like we had two different and when we go over your your story you know we'll

we'll go over this but it was we always had two we talked about it all the time like we had two different problems. And the problem was my problem was like, yeah, I can get a couple million dollars in the bank, but my biggest problem was, like it was, that was, I have that part down, like the borrowing the funds, doing this, doing that, getting the money in the bank. My big problem was getting the money out of the bank. And then your problem was always finding a bank with the money in it. Your expertise was getting the money out of the bank. Like, it wasn't hard for you to get the money out of the bank. It was easy for me to get it in. It was hard to get it out. It was hard for you to get it in.

It was easy to get it out. So we were coming at, you know, and we used to always joke around that it was like, we just got together. Before where we were. I can't tell you. Before the Coleman Chow Hall. I can't tell you how many times I left like, left like, I left $750,000 in the bank one time. Wow.

Because they should. I couldn't get it out before the, before the scam kind of unraveled. And, and, but I had, I had a month to six weeks to get it out. Like, you could get that money. out within a few within a week a couple days yes but me i was slowly i couldn't think of any i didn't know anything i didn't know other criminals or con men that that was their expertise to me how do you get the money out in cash you go get the money out in cash like there was no there was no bitcoin there was no there was no like i didn't know you could buy gold or buy diamonds or buy i didn't know you could

i didn't know anybody like that mine was the remember mine was the prepays right but i didn't think about any of that thing that and also i didn't think I always felt like I had plenty of time. You know what's so funny? There was a guy name. This is funny. The guy's name was Killian. Killian was.

I remember you telling me. Yeah, yeah. Killian was with the Romanian mob. And he in, and he was in, did we talk about this on the podcast? And which one? I don't remember it. Okay. So he, um, Killian was in, he was actually at the low.

And what he got caught for, I mean, he started the medium, but what he got caught for was he was like in new york or something somebody had borrowed money from his boss and they hadn't paid it it was like a hundred thousand dollars and so they kidnapped the guy duct taped him to a cattle prod to him to his nuts to his you know to his delicates and so they and i was like jesus bro and it was a big guy and he was like and he was like what i was like bro i said I mean, I go, did he come up with the money? And he goes, oh, he came up with the money. Of course he came up with the money.

And I went, yeah, but what if, what if he didn't? He goes, they always come up with the money. And like, what do you mean always? This was just the one time, right? And he goes, yeah, it was just the one time. I remember me a lie. But he and I had talked and I remember he talked. He said, listen, you get out, you ever have a problem like you had before?

Like get pulling the money out of the bank? You want it out right away? I was like, of course. He's like, how much money you get in the bank? I said, if I really made an effort, like I could get two or three million dollars in a bank account within a week, you know, three or four different accounts, five accounts, and boom, boom, boom, boom, three million. Like I said, I could set that whole up thing up in a month, get it done.

And he goes, and I said, the problem is it takes me a month or two to get the money out. And he was like, here's, yeah, so here's what you, he said, here's what you do. Next time you call me. He said, because I'll contact the Russian mob in, in Romania. He said, and they'll go to the bank, and they'll have a bank in Romania, you'll wire it to the bank, they'll put it all in cash, he said they'll hire the cops to escort you to another bank. He was down the street where you can deposit all the money, and then they'll wire it wherever you. Hungry now. Now?

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He said it's completely washed. And I was just like, he was, well, he was now the one bank's going to take 3%. The other bank's going to take 3%. So you're going to lose six, maybe even eight, maybe 2% to the mob. I go, no, bro, they'll just take the money from me. Exactly. And that's what I said.

And he goes, no, they won't. And I go, what do you mean? He goes, they won't do that because nobody will ever use it. He said, look, he's the mob in Romania is a business. He goes, they want you to come back. They want you to tell you your friends. They want everybody to know. He said, and they're not getting arrested because they pay off the government.

He said, everybody, he said, it's all one big. He said, the government's run by one mob. The mob is run by this one. The banks are run by another mob. because they're all working together. Right. And I was just like, man, like, I would be scared of like, they'll just take the money and kill me. He's like, no, he said it's not like that.

He said it's not. I was like, reputation. You know, that's true of this, I forgot the name of this hacking group that, that, that. Anonymous? Anonymous is something else called something evil or something. Anyway, but they, once you pay the ransom, they release your information. A ransomware or something like that. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Once you pay it, they release it. because they want it known that they'll release the information so they that's a huge temptation to pay it right it was the same thing bozac was saying like i was like well what if you buy the what if something when he was doing the online forums i was like well if somebody what if somebody gives you the money or you pay and they don't send you the stuff he said then you complain and they kick them off the site he has looked he said these guys are making so much money like you don't want a bad review he says it's set up like a business he's like you can

get someone you can get a vendor kicked off because they gave you bad product or they'd never showed up or they never sent you them you sent you them the money he said you can get them kicked off he's like trust me he said it's all about reputation i was like that's and and reputate because that's the consistent money right that right if it's a one time hit that those are drug that's what drug users do you know what i'm saying like i'll burn it what the hell i need the money right now what about tomorrow they're there's just they're just trying to make it to tomorrow if i make it that far I'm good. All right.

Okay, it says well, who's the smartest criminal of all time in our opinion? Your opinion? What, the smartest? The smartest criminal of all time in your opinion. That I've met?

I wonder if it should I'm, okay, okay. Let me read it again. I have as much information as you have. Let me think. Smartest criminal. Should we go with just con man? Well, he says criminal, so... That could be anything.

Yeah, these guys, they don't know how... Like, you got to be specific. You know, because they're con men that we love, and there's criminals that we love. So maybe I should, maybe I should take it first. I would say, and I want to kind of make it someone famous and not someone that we've met. Because if there's someone we met,

then they're not going to know who they are. You know what I'm saying? and we're going to kind of give a half-ass layout of their story. So someone, smart as criminal, like someone famous-wise, I would say, because I've seen a couple of episodes of American Greed where a couple of people I thought were smart that they put off a stunt. But famous, I'm going to say,

what's the guy's name that flew up in the airplane? D.B. Cooper? D.B. Cooper. Assuming he Insuming he didn't die True Like you know But he may

If he would be D.B. Cooper If he actually got away with it I don't know if it's so much Smarter as it's just Balzy It is ballsy To get up there

With that money After you rob that bank Right Right Is extremely And never do it again Right Oh D B

D. D. B Cooper was a That's so sad bro How old are you? Oh my God See that's I You know

They're children bro They don't know. Was he in the 60s 70s? I know, but everybody knows who D.B. Cooper is. It's huge. It is huge. D.B. Cooper was a very stylish bank robber. He was one of those, like they call very courteous when he robbed the bank.

You know, he would walk in in a very nice suit and he'd sit down and say, good. I'm sorry. But he wasn't in a bank. No, when he, he had the funds on him. No, I know. But I mean, you were saying bank. robber. He didn't really rob the airline. He robbed the air. I thought he robbed the bank. Oh, my God. All right. Listen. Stop. Stop. Listen. Okay. Okay. So, all right. So back in the 70s,

you didn't get searched when you got on a plane, right? They're not patting you down. There's no metal detectors you're walking through. So I want to say it was late 70, 76 or 78, 77. Yeah, something like that. So he dressed in a suit, smoked cigarettes. You could smoke on planes, too, by the way. In a section. Yeah, he went up, he went up and got into a plane, was flying over the United States, somewhere in the west, in the northwest or Midwest in the Midwest. I can't believe you don't believe this. You don't know this.

So what happens is he gets on there and he gets on the plane. and when the he ordered a couple of drinks was smoking a cigarette and when the stewardess came they called flight attendants now back then they were stewardesses I'm going stewardess.

They were females but they were the stewardess comes and he says to her he says he gives her a note and he says don't be nervous and he does it

he gives her a note and it says to tell the pilot that he has a bomb and he's going to blow up the plane and he shows her the bomb no he's got a briefcase he opens the briefcase and sticks of dynamite like what really they were like look you know it may have been nothing knowing this guy it probably was nothing but it definitely wires or the whole thing he looked exactly like what you thought a bomb looked like he was like boom she was like and he he gave her a piece of paper and it just said to tell the pilot that i've got a bomb and that he

needs to land at like dulles you know airport and unload all the plane everybody on the plane except for the the um the staff it's right staff i said staff with the crew except for the crew and everybody but all the passengers can go and that he wanted it was a weird amount it was like a hundred 90 it was like 200 000 it was a weird like odd number like did not half a million not whatever it was reasonable so it's like 200 i want 200 000 and they she was like okay she goes tells the pilot he lands the plane he tells you know makes an announcement we're we're going to be landing here they don't know why like they're not supposed to land there like they land there okay they unload everybody and then it takes an hour or two to get the money now while this is

happening the FBI they they get the money together and they start writing the serial numbers down of all the bills so there's like 10 FBI agents just right now serial numbers writing them down right them down right like they didn't have copy machines there like they had copy machines but not there they couldn't do it fast enough so they're writing them down they got like half the bills or something like that and they end up giving him the money and then they take off well when they take off he has so your flight plan is listed on cards and this is why they believe that db cooper actually was a pilot because he gives gives them he gives the he gives them cards to give to the to give the pilots and says he wants to

he wants to land in like Mexico City and so once he gives them to him they come back and they go we would have we need to we don't have enough fuel we'd have to land and refuel is absolutely not so then he picks another airport that's still so if Mexico City's here and it's here and it's a straight line he picks another another airport that will be basically is the same he's like okay then here right so and by the way this whole time they've now got like f14s or f whatever behind them right so they're kind of flying around them and flying and not really scaring him but keeping an eye on them so at some point he now knows once he knows where they're at some point he gives another card to the sewardess and says and it says i want you to bring the plane

down to this altitude. Right. And I want you to, and I forget, he wanted him to do something else. Oh, and slow it down to this speed. And they were like, they were like, he slowed it down just enough so that it wouldn't stall. So they could still maintain speed. Right. So they did that.

And when he realized, okay, I'm now there. He waited and waited and waited. He went in the back. When he asked for the money, he also asked for two parachutes, by the way. So he wraps up the money in one parachute. supposedly he may have also kept it um actually you know what he didn't you know what he he kept the money on him yeah he right you're right because what he did was the one parachute he cut up the strings because when they got it back it was all cut up he'd used the the risers he'd use them to

help tie him around right okay and then he used the other parachute and he jumped out of the plane now back then the plane that he happened to be on the they it had a rear staircase that opened from the rear because face it you can't jump out the side of an airplane like that because you'll right it's too fast you'll hit the wing like where the where they were um so this happened to have a rear steel staircase so he opens it and the pilot said he remembered exactly because he said it an indicator light went off he wrote down like where okay boom right here something's happening the back staircase went open and then they heard it when he jumped off they knew when he jumped off because they said he stood there for a while when they knew when he jumped off because when he jumped off

the staircase, slung back up and hit the back of the plane. They said they heard a boom. And they were like, oh, what the, what was that? So they figured that's when he jumped off and it went up and smashed and hit the plane. And that was it. He jumped. He has never been found. There were tons of rumors, but about 10 or 15 years later in two, in, I want to say it was, it was probably, you know what, it made me, it was like in the eight, mid 80s.

A little boy was building sand castles at the side of a river. And he found like 30 or 40,000 or 50, I don't know the exact amount, but he found a ton of money, not like a little bit of money. Like it's not like, he jumped out with 200,000, let's say, and the kid found like five grand.

The kid found like 40 or 50 grand. Like it was a chunk of money. And so the kid found a bunch of money. I forget exact amount. I could be wrong. but I think it was a good chunk of money. He found them wrapped up. And it was D.B. Cooper's money.

Like they found the, they actually, it had the serial numbers and everything. Oh, they've never been found. There's, there's rumors that some of those serial numbers were in circulation. Like some of those bills have been in circulation. Yeah, it wasn't like now.

It wasn't like now where like they could actually track it, like suddenly they put it in the bank and the federal, when it goes through the Federal Reserve or something, like boom, hey, boom. This is a marked bill. So, you know, it's not like that. no but they you're right though you're right they did bring him money he didn't he didn't rob bang i don't know what i was thinking about yeah i mean you know he robbed the airline and in and yeah but

this is a thing like he was so the one thing that like the sewers said about him because she was really the only person that had any interaction with him was same thing you said that she did anything stick out about you he was extremely polite they were like i mean very nice very polite thank you yes ma'am absolutely don't be scared it's going to be fine, you know, let out all the past, like, I don't want to hurt any, you know, very nice, very nice, and then jumped out and disappeared. But here's the thing about that. Now, people, by the way, there was, you know, there was one guy, a guy that died years later, like 30, 40 years later, like 30, some years later, that actually told his wife on his deathbed that he was D.B. Cooper.

Yes. This was recent, like. 10, oh, about 10 years ago? Yeah, 2010. Something. Oh, no, no, that's another one. There have been a couple. There have been a few. Yeah, there have been a few. Like, I don't know. I think there's been a couple. They actually believed that it was a pilot, by the way. There was another guy that was a pilot that the FBI had always felt like this is the guy. Like everything met up.

He was in the area. He was here. He was there. Like, all these things, they were like, he's the guy that could pull it off. And he ended up getting in trouble for something else. They questioned him. He never admitted that this was who he was. I have nothing.

I know what you're talking about. And somehow or another, I think he ended up dying in like a shootout. or something. I could be wrong, but something happened where he ended up dying and they thought he may have been D.B. Cooper.

They've just never known. So, yeah, was he super smart? He got away with it. He was polite. He had his style, bro. Yeah, well, but only one incident of crime. You know, like he, like, I don't do, people, they question, like, how long he planned that

or if it was planned at all, like supposedly his wife or somebody left him. Had to be planned. I mean, you would think. Oh, I know what it was too, by the way. like one of the guys that got the money that they thought it was like literally they had talked to his relatives and like they were going to lose some house was being foreclosed on or a family farm or something he said don't worry i'm going to get the money and then like a month

later he showed up with like the money wow and so they're always like they've always always kind of assumed it was him like it really like a lot of these things it was circumstantial but it still really was good right you know what else reminds me this is like my whole thing is like if he's really a criminal, he would have done it again. It's like the idea that these guys that from escape from Alcatraz, you know, the movie and the real escape, the, like, everybody's like, did they make, oh, they made it, they made it, they drowned.

They were all career criminals. Was it amazing what they did and how they got out? That was a brilliant crime. That breakout was brilliant. But they died. They all drowned trying to get through the channel. Right. First of all, it's freezing.

It's filled with sharks. And the bottom line is this, that those were career criminals that had been arrested on and off and spent their entire lives in and out of prison. They didn't escape in their 40s and never, they didn't all go get jobs at Walmart and live out the rest of their lives. They didn't do that. They went out, they would have gone on in more crimes, been recaptured, been found out who they were and gone back to prison. And had to suffer. Yes. Yes. They drowned.

You know, I love the romanticism that they went on and got out and, and, and, and, and, and, you know, and. live the rest of their lives, but that's not what happened. It's just, just no way. Statistically, 70% recidivism. And you're getting out and you can't even say who you are. Like, you have to start over from scratch with nothing. Like, stop, bro, stop. Sorry. All right. That is your question? I really felt like this was going to be more you. I'm going to stop talking so much. That's not. I'm just joking. Exactly. Michael Francis, Francis. Yeah. He's, the mob guy, said that politicians are even less trustworthy than the mafia. As a con man, what is your

opinion of politicians? Do you find it easier to see through their lies? Interesting. What do you think? I mean, I've bribed it. I have, I have, my days of dealing with politicians were back when I was in college and school and like when I helped Anne Richards become governor of Texas, well, well, yeah, and then she lost her next term to Bush, but that's the only time I've ever met politicians. So, um, and I'm, I'm, I'm like a screaming liberal, so I love them. So I despise them and, uh, yeah, I don't seem as trustworthy at all. And, and plus I've bribed, I've bribed, uh, politicians, you know? I mean, I actually had a, nice. Kevin White, but, uh, bribe him, I beg them. So like, please change the law, but go ahead.

Kevin White, you know. I funded this guy's entire, almost his entire campaign to become, uh, county, uh, no, he, well, he was a commissioner. No, he was a county councilman. Then he became a commissioner, but I, the councilman part, like I helped him become the council. Matter of fact, I fund his first, his first election, and then he, then he, he tied. So then he came back for more money. So I gave him more money. The break the tie. Yeah. Um, yeah, but he, um, yeah, he, he went on and then eventually got there was an article

about how the FBI had come to talk to me and then there was an article about how the FBI was looking into him and that I had said that absolutely I bribed him like they have all the checks they have everything they've got all my co-defendants saying yeah we gave Cox gave us money to give to him they have money going to his account

that came out of accounts opened in banks in the name of like Brandon Green Michael, or I'm sorry, Lee Black, you know, David Silver, you know what I'm saying? You've got these. You've got the evidence. It's fraud.

So they came and they talked to me. I'm like, fuck, yeah, I bribed that dude. So he, of course, he then, when the paper called him, he said, Cox is just a jailhouse snitch trying to get out of prison. He's lying. Can you believe that?

Absolutely true. Not lying, but true. Everything else is right. But the fact that he said it on camera with an attitude. Yeah, yeah. Well, I saw it in the paper, read in the paper. Here's what's funny about that is like two years later, he gets indicted for bribery. He goes to, not on my case, but he goes to trial like a true gangster and loses.

Like a true gangster. Like an idiot, yeah. And I think he did, did he get 30 months or did he get, I think he did a couple, two, three years. He did like, he probably ended up doing a couple, two, three years. So he's a snitch. now he's the selling used cars now good for him

worked for the same dealership my ex-wife's husband he worked there for that's a good job for a politician used car salesman all right it says was Zach's wife

into crime when he met her or did he introduce her to it nice who wrote this question I don't that seriously that's just somebody he I didn't even know

he just picked it Colby picked it 89 So that's probably the ex-wife is under an alias that asks the question to ask you. It's possible. All right. So. I mean, the heat for for light.

Yes. Are you sweating? Yes. It's 702. It's like the heat. The heat is rising up from the knees. Shut up. Shut up.

All right. So let's just say. A lot of angry calls in your in your future. So let's just say, no, she wasn't. It wasn't. Yes, I introduced her to it. Did she go to prison? Yes, she did. But I would say that would be my fault on camera. So it was all you. It was all me. You're a bad influence. I was a horrific influence, you know. Big bad black guy, poor little white girl. I have I have multiple females on my case. And when they were in front of the judge, they all said that I would. that I convinced them to fall in love with me and get boob jobs. And then I sent,

then I convinced them to commit fraud and then I sent them all to prison and I took the money and ran. Oh my God, you sent them to prison with big boobs? With big boobs. Yeah. Hey, cut the camera.

Cut the camera. It will not be associated with you. I'm going to a visitation somewhere. No, I'm just kidding. All right. Good times. Okay, wait, I think I messed up. Because this one says, Matt, what's your next crime?

L, M-A-O, joking. Like, that's not even a question. Don't play, bro. I can't go back. All right, Matt, I may be able to help you come up with a way to pay the restitution off. What is this? Some of her questions. He's screenshot stuff.

This guy, I get this all the time. Like, I commented to that guy. I heard him in the comment. I put, okay, so what's the secret? I was like, what are you holding back for? Tell me. And this one, are there any legal hurdles in starting any real estate or title business due to your past convictions? If so, does this bother you or are you more excited about your new career?

Can I answer that? He's more excited about his new career. Like, for us, so my favorite line from Matt when coming out of prison is like, because he had been out a year before. me. So I get out and I get a phone and I don't understand a lot that's going on. So Matt is my, hey, do this. Go to YouTube, put this, do this. When I have that problem, do this. He's telling me everything. And I'm like, I'm confused. He goes, yeah, bro. This is, I'm quoting Matt. He's like, bro. I know, bro. It's like living in the future, right? And excuse me. And that's actually what it's like. Being gone a decade, it's like, you know, like the other day I

went out with some friends to Chili's and they have a little like kiosk or like an iPad on the table where you order and you pay. I can't tell you how that freaked me out. I'm like, whoa. I couldn't even believe it. It's like, oh my God. That's the first time I saw that. So for us it's been gone, all this stuff is brand new. We can't even fathom that's what's going on. You know what freaked me out, the self-checkout. Self-checkout. They had self-checkout. check out before we left i i never used it like it was just coming available or something like i've never used it and it would be one or two aisles yeah it was like yeah you'd have like eight aisles open in like one or two over there that i never used yeah listen now you go it's like if you want to

buy something at the grocery store yeah that's what you use it's like yeah but no i don't want to use that well then you don't get to leave with your stuff because nobody's open like there was i went to walmart the other day this peep there's a huge line for the self-checkout none of the cashier are open. I'm thinking, are you serious? They had one person standing there like this watching everybody do their stuff. It's like, that one cashier is doing six of these at a time. And you know what's bizarre about that? What's going on behind the scenes is they've got some kind of the devices that self-checkout is, first of all, there's a camera at every one of them. And the device warns them if like you scan something and you don't put it on the scale.

Yeah, it's also got a wait. Six. Yeah, it goes six. And they'll look at six. They'll start watching the person. Somebody told me that and I tried it. They go try it. Scan something and hold it in your hand. Oh, it'll look at the person. They'll be like, they'll be. See, to me, what ends up. Sorry. Like, what happens at like Publix is if you don't put it down, it'll say like you didn't put it down. It'll stop and like there's a mistake or something. And then so you have to kind of sit it down. That's annoying. Right. Please place item back in the area.

Please place item back in the area. The anxiety, yeah, you're right. The anxiety that I felt the first time I had to go and like figure out like, okay, you know, do that. And then what does it say? Okay, wait. So I scan it. Where's the thing?

There was the, okay. And it like did it like once or twice. I was like, oh, is it going to charge me twice? Is it going to? And it was like, I sat it down. I was like, oh, no, it just turned me once. Like, I mean, it was just like the anxiety that I felt having to deal with that. I was like, oh, I'm not doing this again.

So when I was done, I wasn't going to do it again. Then next time I did it again, did it again. Now I don't want to deal with the cashier. It's like, say, you got some cashier open. I'm like, I'm not dealing with that. I have to have interaction. I have to be nice to her. I have to ask, oh, how was your day?

I have to do all that. I'm not doing it. I'm self-checking. I'm self-checkout. 2007, like I remember my first, my wife and I, my first experience with it was kind of like, we looked at each other like, it's like it's like an invitation to steal yeah like okay we'll self-checkout um what i mean i would say

what's the rest of the of the the question was that what's the other um are there any legal hurdles in you starting your real estate business yeah that's that's that's like i have a judgment commitment that you know i'm not allowed to work in i'm not allowed to work in in real estate and finance and construction um and development i'm not so i'm not there's all these things i'm not allowed to do i'm i have five years of paper i've already done two years so i have three more years at paper it's probation so i have three more years and while i'm doing that i'm not allowed to work without permission um for any in any of those fields so you know i i can't do that and and honestly i like i would love to buy houses and flip houses and I've had multiple people come to me and say hey like I can

I'll buy the house in my name just help me do this and help me the problem with that is like I so overwhelmingly don't want to screw up don't want to get involved in something like that don't want like what people don't seem to realize is like could I do it make some money yeah but if anything goes wrong along the process and my name gets brought up then I go into back in front And my judge, and my judge is like, what are you doing? Like, people don't seem to realize, like, if I, like, it's, you know, well, I like to borrow my, I've had people say, look, man, I'll put up the money to do this or do it. Yeah, but what if the money gets lost?

Well, bro, if it gets lost, it's not your fault. Like, I've had guys come to me and say, I want to put up money to back your YouTube channel. I'm like, well, you know, you could, you could sponsor a video. You know, they're like, yeah, no, no, I want, like, I'll, I'll pay you and I'll put up the money and I'll do this. It's like, yeah, I can't do that. Because if you don't get the money back,

no, bro, I mean, as long as you try, I won't blame you. What's easy for you to say that now. But when you lose 10 grand of your 30 grand, like when you lose 10 grand, all you have to do is contact my probation officer and complain. I gave Matt money. I can say, no, I told him this. Look, I even had him sign a contract.

I even, and he'll say, no, that's a lie. he didn't do this he should have done this he this he ripped me off he he promised me this like nobody's going to take my they're not going to take my opinion and i can't be in front of my judge saying this guy lost 20 grand or 10 grand or five grand or mr cox lied to me mr cox like judge isn't going to believe me so there's huge hurdles other than just a judgment commitment there's hurdle and of course like me i can't get my real estate license i can't get my mortgage broker's license because i have what's called what they call it an act act of moral turpitude.

Right. Bank fraud, wire fraud, lying on an application. All money laundering, like all of those are like acts of moral turpitude. It's where you took advantage of someone or something. It's an act of moral turpitude. Now, if I had sold drugs, I could probably get my real estate license. You know, if you'd murdered someone, like I know a guy that had murdered someone that got his real estate license, you know, or got his mortgage broker's license.

Like, those aren't acts of moral turpitude. So, yeah, there's huge hurdles. Like, but this is the thing, too, I'm excited about this. Like, I'm hoping that YouTube and I'm hoping the stories that are meant, hoping all of that, you know, um, blossoms into a huge career where I basically get to just do what I want to do, you know? Like, that's it. So that's a long explanation, but I think it covers it.

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too just finance in general who knows let us know in the comments because you know I'm on the fence on whether or not to do it or not so let me know and back to Zach all right was there any scam that he did just because it was cool awesome sexy to me I guess either one of I think you. I think, I mean, I think mine's, mine was all basically real estate. The only thing I liked to do that I never really talk about is, and what I honestly, this is so horrible to say this, that I should have stuck with. Like Becky, the chick I was on the run with for a little bit until I ditched her. Like she used to always say, let's just do this. Let's just do this.

This is easy. And I was like, it takes too long. And she's like, yeah, but it's safe. Nobody knows that you're committing a crime. That's what we should be doing. I was already on the run. I'm like, they're already looking for me. What do I care if they look for me for more money?

They're never going to catch me. Fucking jerk off. So what I, one of the things I was doing that, I don't know if it was, I mean, it's always, listen, it's always sexy to walk in and be, be able to buy whatever you want. You're wearing whatever you want. You can get whatever you want. You're living in the, you're living the life that you think you deserve. You know, you're living in a half a million dollar condo in the middle of downtown Charlotte. You're driving a $50,000 sports car, which is now, now they're selling that same sports car for $80,000.

You know, you're just, you're living a good, a lot of fun. You're having fun. You're traveling all over there. We're walking through passport control. And there's like, oh, hi, Mr. Eckert. How are you? I'm fine. How are you doing?

You know, it's great. It's super. You feel like James Bond. Right. But like that, the scam that I did that was probably safe and I probably. and I probably should have stuck with was where we were just we were like interviewing the homeless people

but one of the things we would do is we'd pull their credit if they had no credit we'd just get three secure credit cards make the payments and in six months we would have 700 credit scores and we would turn around we'd go to American General do you remember American General?

Yes the low are they still around? And they had the little shops in the shopping center where you'd walk in and they'd have like three little finance specials Right, yeah. Yes. I remember American General. Yeah.

They were everywhere, too. They were, and so, they were and so were. It was one more. Green. You're thinking like Green Tree or something. There was, it's city, city bank or city group. City group had the same type of American General thing. I don't know if American General's still around, but what we used to do is at six months.

All online. Go ahead. At six months, I would go into American General and I go into City Group. and I would give them a pay stub and like they one of them would lend me like $5,500 and the other one would lend you $7,500. So, you know, right then, you know, you've got $13,000. Plus you've got these little credit cards which I started for $200 and $400. But I don't owe anything on those.

But those, that's what created the 700 credit score. So now I got $13,000. And then I would just make the payments and I would wait and wait. And then at one year, I met the minimum guidelines that set by, like, Fannie, I'm sorry, by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for, to borrow money from them for a personal loan. And it was up to $15,000. So then I would turn around. And I'd go to like three different banks and I'd borrow $15,000, $15,000, $15,000 from three different banks. There's an actual-

Backed by Fannie Mae? Is that what it is? Well, I don't know. It's set by, I want to say it's. set by like Finney May or the Fed or someone like that is setting, sets this where you can go to Bank of America, like any FDIC insured bank lends you that money based off of one of these institutions. I'm not sure which one it was. So you can borrow that money.

So I go to like three, now that's 45 grand. I've made 45 grand, you know, based on a pay stub. So I've got that money. Then I would also run up the credit cards because now I've had these credit cards for a year. They're already giving me my deposits back. So I would immediately apply for like a Bank of America card and they'd give you like 15 grand. And then you'd apply for like, let's say, SunTrust or whoever, Capital One, they'd give you five grand. Somebody else would give you a 10 grand, right?

Then suddenly your score is now starting to go down. So then you go and you start, you get denied for, or you get a card for like $2,000. Once we knew, okay, now we just got a credit card for $2,000. I was like, okay, great. Let's hit Home Depot. Let's hit the gap. Let's hit. So then you start hitting department store cards.

They'd give you like $1,000, $2,000. Then you know what I'm saying? Then you get to the point where it's like, denied, denied. Like everybody just starts denying you. You realize your credit scores are just dropped down to nothing. But when you added it all up, it was like whatever it came to, let's say $70,000 in basically, or like $70,000 in cash. Because you could take those credit cards and you could get cash advances. Or you could.

And then it ended up plus the department store cards like Dillard's. or whoever, you had $2,000, $1,000, whatever, $1,500. You know, but you got like the gap, Dillards, Burdines, you know, all these sacks, you know, you go in there and you're just like, blah, blah, you're just running them up. So it ends up total merchandise plus cash is like $100,000. Yeah, you made $100,000 in a year. In a year. In one year worth of work.

Right. And so one person. One person. So what Becky was saying was, let's do 20 people. And I was like, I don't want to wait a year. I was like, I could take that one person and I can go get a million dollars in mortgages.

And I can do that in a month. Like, why would I, in a month? She's like, yeah, but then when we don't pay, the FBI shows up. I'm like, but see, at that time, I was like, but they're already looking for me. So where do I care? And she was just like,

oh, God, forget it. There's no talking to you. You know, it was just, it was just arrogance and stupidity and just, it was just obnoxious. But that's not, well, I was going to say that's not what caught you, so it didn't matter. But that was, listen, listen, and I absolutely shouldn't say, that was fun.

Yeah. Like you've got the, you got a driver's license or an ID. I never would get a driver's license as those guys. I'd get like an ID. So I'd walk in. You know, you just, what do you want? Well, get it. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's get whatever. I'll get this. You know, you have just tons of just stupid stuff, underwear and T-shirts. And you're buying blue jeans for $300 a piece. And it's like, you know, that's just stupid. $300 for a pair of blue jeans? Well, my sexy crime was, I figured out that if you were going somewhere out of town,

let's say you were taking a trip to, let's say, Arizona. And I was going to, I go, look, let me pay your hotel room. Well, then the hotel that you were staying in would ask me to fax over a copy of my ID and a front and back of my credit card, right? And they would punch the card number in and they would cover. your room and incidentals. So you could go to the room, stay there, eat whatever you want to eat, and so

far. And then I found out that even in Las Vegas, not only could I cover your room and incidentals, but I could also give you $2,000 credit in the casino. Nice. Using a card. So of course, you know, computer generated,

so if I was able to buy MasterCard or credit card numbers, I'd have a computer generated front and back of ID, front and back a credit card and we would just alter the numbers and faxed it to the hotel. So anybody that wanted to go anywhere? Yeah, yeah. Don't worry about it. I got your room and board. So I just faxed it over to them. It became kind of a fun way to take care of your friends. Are you going to Vegas? Hey, I'm going to shoot you $2,000. Just give me half of what you win.

So that was our kind of fun, sexy. My wife led that pretty much. They'd always call her for a room. Hey, we need a room. We got you. at the fanciest place in town. Big shots. $300 a night. All right. It says, what was the scam

that you planned and never got to do? Is there any scheme old or new that makes you itchy just thinking about it? Oh, man. Yeah, I have one.

I got like four that just kill me. All right? You're going to hit all four? No, I can't hit all four. I can't hit all four. I can't. What's the pentacle of that?

Oh, God, bro. I don't want to. You didn't do it, right? No, I didn't do it. But it's like it's come up since I've been incarcerated, since I was incarcerated. So I think to myself, like I would watch TV and think, no, it can't be that easy. And my, my crimes primarily consistent. instead of, like, you know, like financial institution crimes.

Like, to me, I went out on my way to try to not, like, take somebody's house. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was like, ah, that's easy, that's this. But, like, I was like, I'm just going to go ahead and get the money from Bank of America. And I'll then that, they'll be, you know. But then in the end, I realized that once I was sentenced and once you go through the process, you realize that they're going to make you look like a monster no matter what. Like you're thinking, oh, but I spared this.

I did, I could have done this. I didn't do it. It doesn't matter what you didn't do. So it's like you might as well just mow down everybody. Like because you're going to end up if you get caught, you're done. There's, they have, they have no, there's, they don't hold back at all. They make you sound horrible. And everybody does.

Like I'm doing a documentary. I'm going to go film this documentary. And they contacted. they're like, well, we really like to talk to your, your victims, you know, can you think of any victims that we could get on, you know, on camera? And we would like to just, you know, for the documentary, just kind of show the other side. I said, absolutely, sure. So it shouldn't be hard at all. Oh, you have their numbers? I said, well, I don't have their numbers, but it shouldn't be hard to find somebody at Bank of America that's willing to be interviewed. Or someone that maybe

used to work at SunTrust or someone that worked at, oh, I said, gosh, countrywide. I owe them a couple million. And they went, well, no, we were thinking. more, um, we were thinking more like, you know, individuals. And I went, well, there's four individuals that lost money, but I didn't like directly scam them out of money. I didn't go to them and say, give me $200,000 and then take off with it. Like, I got them to owner finance their house, you know, and then I borrowed money on their house and they filed, they hired an attorney and they got their house back. So did I cause them some financial problems? Absolutely. But it wasn't like a scam directed to get money from them.

So I'm not sure how that really, that way they weren't my intended victims or marks. Right. So I said, but there's only four of them. There's like 60 institutions. I said, so if you want a good sampling of who my victims were,

well then I would go talk to someone like Bank of, someone from Bank of America. And they were like, um, do you, do you know the names of the four people? They weren't the people. Right.

And I, it's like, No, I mean, you're a documentary company. Like, you're, you're trying to do a legitimate, newsworthy documentary that is unbiased, then you would want to go with the largest sample of people. No. Like, but you wouldn't want to talk to those four people. They don't, what's representative is the financial institutions.

Well, I know it's, you know, we would just prefer, like, so what are their names? And I thought, I'm sitting there thinking, right. It was the same thing with the government. The government didn't, they didn't march anybody from Bank of America into when I was being sentenced. They found some guy who had lost $4,000, who was an accountant. It was a CPA, owned his own CPA company, had several rental properties that were all $200,000 pieces of property. And he spent $4,000 for an attorney to get his house back. Well, I never took the house out of his name, actually.

Just really, you spent $4,000, giving an attorney for. $4,000 to talk to the banks and get that cleared up. So they didn't march Bank of America executives in to say, Mr. Coxlaw caused us some real issues. They marched him in and he screamed and hollered and yelled and said, oh, my life is ruined. My credit's ruined. I didn't use your credit.

Your life isn't ruined. It's $4,000. You know, I mean, I did what I did was fucked up and I agree I'm a scumbag, but come on, stop it. You know, he's the guy that said, he left a statue in the middle of the room. screaming. He was taunting me. I left it in the garage. I did not leave it in the stop line. In the middle of the living room. And I can't say anything. I have to sit there with my lawyer

going, I'm like, this guy's lying. Don't say anything. Don't say anything. Don't say anything. Don't say anything. And I'm like, oh my God. The judge is looking to me like, you bastard. And I'm thinking, are you serious? But yeah. So yeah, that's the same thing. So it's like to me now, if I were to say, you know what I'm not I spare no one like to me I would just go out and I would rent a piece of property I would go rent a piece of property so I'm going to go rent your half a million dollar house and an easy scam is I just go downtown and I satisfy any loans that are in that house on the house I create satisfaction of mortgages I then transfer the deed out of that houses out of that house to someone that I know someone I have control over

right like a fake ID whatever because think about it I don't even have to show up at closing you know what I mean like I don't necessarily even have to show up and I if it's all I really need is an ID I can go on any there's there's tons of websites you can get them from Russia from China you can get them all over the place you just order an ID so I could even get the the ID of the homeowner go open a bank account in his name so the point is is that I could either transfer the deed or open that thing as long as there's no mortgages on the property and I can satisfy those, I can then call one of those companies that buys your house. There are these companies that now, we'll buy your house in like five days or above market

value or at market value. We'll send out an appraiser. Great, it's a $500,000 house that has no liens on it. I have an ID in the name of the person who owns it. And we don't even have, we don't even have a closing. It's all going to be done online. And where are you on with the money sent? Why are the money here? So you never see me. Nobody ever sees. I can rent the house over the phone. I can do a, oh, I know. Oh, you have a virtual tour?

Oh, the house is great. I want to rent it. Sure, here's a couple thousand dollars for the first month's rent. You know, $3,000 for the first month's rent. Here's a couple thousand dollars deposit. Mail me the key. I'm going to go ahead and, you know, I can call, I can go ahead and then go downtown. Like, they don't ever have to see me.

I can go downtown, satisfy the loans. I can then make a phone call to one of these online companies. And then I can sell that same house to four different companies at the same time. If I close all of them on the same day, open up multiple bank accounts and then have them wire the money into the bank accounts. Suddenly, bam, there's, if it's a half a million dollar house, they buy it for $400,000. I mean, that's still going to be $1.6 million. Right. Let's say they buy it for $500.

So you could do that in the name. I could go do that with four different houses. You know, you could end up with, I could end up with $5 or $10 million. and it would literally take if I did it casually a month let's say two months and I could have ten million dollars in the bank

right you know now the whole problem is how do I get the money on the bank but that's not that hard so you know didn't know it then but like to me it's like guys are always like you ever think about fraud man I think about fraud every day like every time I

every time I think I buy a Starbucks and think yeah bro I can't I I can't get another star. It's like five bucks a day, six bucks a day. It's $150 a month. Like that's, I can't do it. I'm not doing it. You know, yeah, there's all kind.

Like, I'm constantly, you know, I'm going out to my car. It's, you know, it's like, this isn't what I want to drive. You know, this isn't where I want to, where I can be this, I could be that, I could be that. But, you know, it's like you have to sacrifice. Anything worth having is worth that. That money spent so quick, none of it's left, none of it's around anymore. the people that were all involved with me none of those people want to take my calls

the people that I feel like I contributed to sending them to prison want to hang out with me because they understand the people that almost went to jail and should be thankful don't want to talk to you that's how it is for me might be different so yeah

so is that a crime that's a crime that did not was not possible when I was originally wasn't it was possible but it would have been more interaction. Like now I could do that whole crime over the internet. By a cell phone and over the internet,

I could commit that entire crime and never be seen. Never went to a closing, never know. They would never have my picture, nothing. The FBI would be in secret service. They would be running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to figure out what the hell happened. And keep in mind, too, it would be months before they even knew what happened.

Because it could be, you could do that for five or six months. Like I could keep paying the rent. and keep paying the mortgages. So it could be six months before you stop paying everybody and they all start to figure out, okay, we have to hire it. We have to foreclose. They go to foreclose and they find out, hey, there's like four or five different loans on this property

or there's multiple people on the property. Or let's say it's a month or two and realtors start showing up to sell the property. They bump into each other. So I mean, you could keep that loan. You could keep that going for, well, not six months. You could if you borrowed money. That's why I used to like to borrow.

because I could make a couple payments. Right. But if you sold it, you probably would have at least a month, maybe two months before the people started figuring out what happened. But it's not going to happen. Well, my un-comitted crime... Give me a second. You're all right?

You're going to be all right? my uncommitted crime was has to do with um we had a a friend that had a friend i guess just to make a long story short we had a friend that had a friend that worked in the front office in michigan i'm sorry got the city for kellogs it was kellogs or post anyway for one of the large um serial companies so um um What it happened was what we had been doing for a minute is, like, we'd get access to some of these business checks, and what we do is we would start a business close to that check to the name on the check, and then just drop the check in there. Like you get a $20,000, $30,000 check, like somebody that works somewhere and go, hey, you know, I've seen where they paid my company $30,000. Or we'll take that check.

We're going to start a business and just give us the check and we'll deposit it and we'll give you like $4,000 or $5,000. Well, this girl had access to the checks where Publix, and I want to, it's either Kellogg's a post. It won't come to that. I think I'll think it in the middle. Had access to the checks where Publix paid Kellogg's. Your ex-wife probably knows. We could ask her.

Stop. Stop. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. All right. It'll be in the comments now. Yes.

Yes. Hopefully. It was post. I'm going to give you. I'm going to give her your number. I'm telling you, I'm not getting... Good times. All right.

So, yeah, good times. So she saw the checks where, like, Publix or Win Dixie paid Kellogg's for their supply of cereal. So can you imagine the size of those checks? I don't know. A couple hundred thousand? Millions? Like $7, $8 million. And this was back when they were paying in checks.

Right. So the thought of that was like, huh, okay, that's going to be a different animal to take on. That's not something that we could just, hey, this is a brand new company. We got a $7 million check. You know what I'm saying? So it was getting ready to get prepped and ready to receive that payment.

And like we were arrested before then, but like. So upsetting. Right. The preparation went as far as, to, like, talking to the person that was providing the check about, okay, you're going to need to quit, you know, and like, like, once this is deposited and goes through, you're going to need to go ahead and tell them, hey, I'm out of here

because you don't want them asking you because, you know, employers will, when they call you in, like, hey, like, hey, go ahead and log out of your computer. Can we haul it you real quick? That's normally the arrest because what they do is they talk to you enough and maybe claim you said something to confess and they arrest you. Whereas if they're calling you from home, you're like, well, I'll be there when I get my lawyer. If you're on premises, you can't, hey, I want a lawyer.

You're just trying to talk your way out of it. Yes, because it's your job. You know, so I mean, the preparation for that that never actually happened. So it's just one of those things that keeps me up at night. I'm like, mine, if it had happened, you know, maybe everything would have been different. Or it would have just been another million dollars on your, indictment. Or I would have been another thing.

Well, I'd still be in. I think I'd be calling you for money. What's that? That's it. That's the last one? Well, they said to tell a story about grocery shopping, but I think we did that. Self-checkout. No.

There was actually a guy in the comment section that said, bro, I could listen to your stories all day. I could listen to your stories about grocery shopping. Yeah, he said something like, yeah, he said, I could, what did he say? What does it say? This one said. It says, I should. actually, oh no, this is what you said.

I love every story you tell. You could tell a story about grocery shopping and you'd be able to make it interesting. Keep it up. But you told a story about self-checkout. This is actually, this is a different one. Like, because I was like, I actually have a story about. I should actually tell a story about going to the supermarket.

Just to see what happens. I actually have a very short, funny story about going to the supermarket recently. Only because I thought about this was hilarious. I was walking around. So Allison calls me, right? This shit calls me. And she had just finished reading my book. And so I facetined with her.

I'm walking, I'm in the grocery store. She phacimed and I was like, I'm walking down the aisle. Nobody's in Publix. This is like at like 1030 or 1030 in the morning. Like nobody's there. So I'm walking. I look and I go, you know, I go, hey, what's going on? Actually, it was super early.

It was probably, it was probably around 8.30. So I go, hey, what's going on? She's like, hey, what's going on? I just finished your book and I was walking into the to where the cashier is right and so I walk into where the cashier is and I'm unloading my groceries right right right and she's oh my God I totally didn't know that um she's I totally didn't know that Amanda was what was a was bipolar was a what is it when you like guys and chicks was a bisexual she goes I she says I totally didn't know that Amanda was bisexual she goes what's

with you in these, this is FaceTime. So she's screaming. And she goes, what's with you in these bisexual chicks? I mean, there was so and so and so and so. And now you're dating Jess and she's bisexual. I go, whoa, whoa. I'm going, hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm trying to tell her. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Like, there's somebody behind me. The cashier stops and looked at me. Turn around. There's this woman holding her baby. And I'm going, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, and she wouldn't stop talking. And she's, oh, my God, what's with you? She says, I mean, you must really have a thing for that. I go, hey, I said, what are you doing?

And she goes, I'm in the cashier, I'm in the line, I'm at the grocery store, I'm at the cashier now. She goes, oh gosh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize. Oh my gosh, she saw me walking through the aisle. It means you had to know where I want. And I was like, all right, I call you back, call you back. And I hung up the phone. I was like, hey, this and that.

And the cashier, she couldn't stop grinning at me. She was like a 21-year-old chick's like giggling and smiling. And anyway, so that was my, that was so I was thinking myself, I was like, I walked out, called Allison back. I said, what are you doing? what are you doing I didn't know that's my he's like you never did answer the question

what does she say actually she did say she said we know what it is you're not like a really macho guy they feel safe with you that's what it is I was like okay she's you know you're kind of a dandy all right all right a dandy you ever heard of dandy

no what is this from the 1920s that's what the guys that were really like they call it metrosexual like a guy that's concerned about how he looks, and they call him, oh, he's a bit of a dandy. He's always... I have never... I've seen the movie Yankee Doodle Dandy,

but I've never heard that. What are you talking about, man? A dandy. D-A-N. I haven't turned mine back on now. All right, so... Definition, Dandy. A man unduly devoted to style,

neatness, and fashion, and dress, and appearance. nice or the vocabulary nobody ever uses dandy who's using dandy I am from here on out you're a bit of a dandy aren't you think you look dandy okay what are we doing that's it

is that it for the questions wrap it yeah I just wrap this one up and then we'll do that you want to do the this might be short you can do the round up no what I mean he said you're wrapping it you're gonna do it wrap up you want to say Hey, this is MacCard. No, I just say, yeah, you know somebody actually said don't like, yeah, bro, you don't have to beg for subscribers. Well, you're wrong about that, bro. I'm begging for subscribers. So share the video, hit the like, hit the bell. Don't be a jerk. Don't just hit the, oh, subscribe, but I'm not going to hit that. Listen, if you don't watch the videos, it's not, it's no good. So hit the bell. Do the algorithm thing. Another guy said, bro, you stole the algorithm thing from Graham Stephan.

I did. That's what I do. So leave a comment for the, for the, what is it, the gods of the algorithm? Or he says something about the, the almighty algorithm. Yeah, the almighty algorithm. So hit the, share, leave a comment, send the bit, share the video. Do the right thing. I got a book.

Nobody's watching this. point nobody's watching you got to be like a hardcore fan to have gotten this far like trust me we lost them when i started talking about the supermarket we'll probably lost like 80% of the guys long time ago long time ago so i'm like you must do a hell of a cleanup job on that closing no he's going to go straight that listen so listen i need to do the west watson thing i need you know west watch i got to watch this guy i'm going to show you this guy this is the guy that you you didn't want to be in prison with it's it it's the he's he's got a whole time he's got his arm like this he's tatted up he's all huge and everything's terrifying looking and the whole

at the low no this is he's got a youtube channel he's got like half a million subscribers oh okay and he's like as soon as i got to the as soon as i got to the pin i went straight on the yard i went right to the shot caller and i told him i'm ready to do my duty you let me know what you need from me. I'm here from you. And they said, well, you got your paperwork. I said, I carry my paperwork with me. I went into the bathroom and I had that shit suitcase and I pulled it out and I washed off the bag and I went back and I said, here's my paperwork. He looked at the paperwork and he said, you're the guy. I said, you're damn right. I'm the guy. And then that was it. He does this whole thing. And listen, I get so much anxiety watching this guy's videos.

I'm just like, this is. Who the hell? He has an half a million viewers. My God, it's ridiculous. Bro. Then they've got like the best of Wes Watson. They're hilarious. I mean, I can watch the best of what. Because he says hilarious. Like, it's total intimidation screaming insanity, but comical.

He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like some guys like that, you know. And I got some, you know, I can read your fucking comments and, you know. But Wes, Wes, what if I have asthma? What if I have that? You better fucking stow that shit, motherfucker. Man up. You're going to put in some work. It was just like, oh my God, Wes, what if I have anxiety?

Toughen up, bitch. You know, it's like, Jesus. Horrible, bro. Horrible. So if you like the video, and this whole, if you like the video, subscribe, like, he ain't doing none of that. He's not, this guy's not, I had a guy literally tell me like, bro, you got to do Wes Watson. Are you out of your fucking mind? You don't want to...

Wes Watson would beat my ass. West Watson, I'm the opposite of West Watson. I'm the guy Wes Watson doesn't like. He doesn't want. He's, I got, it would be a bad situation. It'd be almost, it'd be 10 times worse than the big Herc interview. He wanted to hurt me. Living in your little fantasy like nobody's telling.

What are you doing? Do your time. All right. So, anyway, all right, that's it. And listen. Buy a t-shirt. I need to get a t-shirt. Remind me, I'll buy a t-shirt,

and I need to start wearing a t-shirt. Yeah, and a book. And I got a book, and it's on Audible. I got a couple books. I got a four or five books on Audible. Who reads you a book on Audible? I had another guy to read it because, you know, really my reading is just not good.

Not good. Anyway, yeah, it's a good book, though. Audible, got the whole thing. I got physical copies. I'll sign a copy, whatever. All right, that's it. See you. Peace.

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