Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Steroid Influencer Arrested For Counterfeit Product | Musclehead320

Episode Date: September 28, 2024

Steroid Influencer Arrested For Counterfeit Product | Musclehead320 ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I guess you can call my stepdad. He physically abused me and my brother when we were younger. I think those things were part of what led me to get into steroids maybe later in life. The physical abuse kind of made me, you know, feel like I wanted to get so big that, you know, no one could ever touch me again. Maybe that was part of it. When I was in prison, I was thinking about that a lot that maybe I kind of built a shell around myself later in life.
Starting point is 00:00:22 I just wanted to have that respect and size and that came with it. But I can get more into that after. But I was just petty cry as well, seeing when I was younger, stupid stuff, like breaking into liquor stores and stealing alcohol and selling them in school. What do you mean breaking into liquor stores? That doesn't seem like a petty crime. We'd go to this corner store at nighttime, and I'd have a friend on each street watching. You could see all the cars coming in and out of the street. And I would just take a boulder and just fucking throw it right through the front window.
Starting point is 00:00:53 And there was no alarm for some reason in this place. And sometimes there was later on. And we would all just jump in there and just grab as much liquor as we can, run to the train tracks, run down the train tracks, and get to our house and hold all the bottles. And next day, we'd go sell them all at school and shit. Just being little punks, really. When I think back of it, we were just being little assholes.
Starting point is 00:01:12 But most of my childhood was petty crimes like that. Or stealing, like, we'd steal street bikes and mopeds and dirt bikes, shit like that, and sell them. At the root of it all, it was just ways to get money and stuff. We were just finding ways to get money. We didn't have that much money at home. We wanted nice shoes, we wanted nice clothes, so we did stupid things to get them that are pretty dumb, but stuff we did as a kid, but it was little things that led me up to the life of crying, really, like, being comfortable breaking the law later in life. Like, I really never had no fear of, like, getting arrested or going to jail, just, I didn't really feel that fear ever.
Starting point is 00:01:50 Even when this happened, I didn't feel that fear. Like, after going through it all, like, it's something I don't want to go through again. and I'm done with that life, but there was no fear from just committing someone's crying for so long. I wasn't scared of the consequences, even when I had a lot to lose, which I did this time and I lost a lot, but
Starting point is 00:02:09 I'm better now. So yeah, around 14, my mom, she moved us out of the city to a smaller town. And I still had friends in the city. So I was in this small town where these guys, these kids couldn't really get like drugs and stuff like weed mostly so i'd go out to the smaller town and i would just grab
Starting point is 00:02:31 like quarter pounds of weed for like 200 bucks and i bring them out i mean i go to the city and grab quarter pounds a week for 200 bucks to bring them out to a small town and just before school i'd sit there at a table and just roll up like fucking 100 joints and go to school and just sell joints for five dollars end up making like probably like six or 700 maybe more off of what i paid 200 for and that was a good hustle for a while. I was doing that probably 14, 15, so I started getting arrested for weed. Here and there, getting pinched at school,
Starting point is 00:03:01 getting caught with joys, you know, little kids telling on me and stuff. Around like age 17, I got pulled over and I had like four pounds of weed in the car. I got, I told you why I got assault and battery and a police officer, but I didn't actually assault the officer. I was just trying to get away from the scene. He grabbed me, and they gave me an assault just for trying to get away.
Starting point is 00:03:23 And that four pounds of weed landed me in adult prison. So I was in county jail, 17 years old for the first time. Being around a bunch of grown men and shit, it was different than juvenile lockout. When you get locked up and you're 17, and you said you were around a bunch of adult, like, or did they put you in, like, an adult facility? Yeah, yeah, I was in a, you're considered an adult in Massachusetts when you're 17. So, yeah, I was an adult prison. Yep. Well, county jail.
Starting point is 00:03:50 You know, it's a bunch of guys coming in for assault and batteries. domestics and DUIs and stuff like that so it wasn't like state inmates or anything yet but I got there so I got out uh about 18 I got out from there and three months later four months later I got busted for trafficking which got me a five to seven how did you get arrested so I was I was selling the weed at first but I realized the coke you know there's a lot more potential to make money so I started going down the same thing going down to the city bringing the drugs back to the small town and making money and uh so one time i went down a little early and my guy was he was running around doing something he was like just just pick somewhere you want me to meet and i told him to go to a local
Starting point is 00:04:37 Walgreens and uh someone in this someone in that area was selling stolen car stereos earlier that day with the same kind of vehicle as us so i mean i didn't know that i met him in the parking lot I got out the car I got in his car I got in my car with a shoe box put the shoe box between my legs
Starting point is 00:04:56 he went into the store luckily he got away but uh so I see a regular car like blocking us off and I'm like what the fuck is this
Starting point is 00:05:05 and all of a sudden I see a light flickering in the mirror like god damn they pulled me out the car slam me on the hood like what do you guys doing you guys hear
Starting point is 00:05:12 selling stolen car stereos or like no no we're not selling no stolen car stereos like what's in that box right He could see the shoebox. Yeah, he asked if we were selling some solar pysterios. I said, no, he pulled out the drugs.
Starting point is 00:05:28 It's crazy, because the kid that was with me, I just asked him for a ride. He was only 18, too. They were trying to give him the same time they were trying to give me, five to seven years. He ended up overdosing, actually, before. I don't know, I feel like maybe the sentence caused him to do it on purpose.
Starting point is 00:05:45 I'm not sure, but he ended up overdosed him before. he had to go end up doing time and i was i was trying to get him out of it like i was telling my lawyer is everybody that hey this kid had nothing to do with it you just give me a ride down there but it didn't work out he ended up dying and i got a five to seven oh yeah anyway they pulled they pulled the coke out of the car they were shopped you could tell they were shocked they looked at they were like the fuck of these kids doing with this and we were like in the city and stuff too we're like skinny little white kids fucking 18 years old with like quarter pound of coke in the car and shit and you could tell they were shocked uh they brought us down at the police station
Starting point is 00:06:21 immediately asking us if we'll cooperate and stuff giving us cards selling us if we get bailed out we need to cooperate i ended up bailing out but i had probation in that small town still for that that charge for the pounds of weed and stuff so i immediately took off and went on the run it went down to florida and stuff was just jumping city to city in florida for like a year going to all these little spots i had a fake id at that point it was actually a freaking somebody bought some coke off me they gave me their little uh welfare like card with the id on it it looked like a i mean if you show that in other states back then they thought it was like an out of state id so i was using that to freaking rent hotels and shit a young ass kid 18 years old just jumping around florida
Starting point is 00:07:06 being a freaking maniac um so i ended up coming back i ended up getting caught it was about i I think I was gone for like eight months or six months, something like that. I went to state prison. How did I get caught? I came back. I was still trying to make money in that town, which I shouldn't have done. I was outside of the town. But this town has so many people that used drugs in it.
Starting point is 00:07:33 And I knew that. And all these people knew me. And I was the guy that had the plug into the city with people that they could never deal with. So it's like I could get good stuff. because I was from the city. So these people are used to getting stuff out in this little town. It's just like people stomp on it and it's garbage and stuff. So I was able, any time I came to that town with anything,
Starting point is 00:07:56 I would sell out immediately. They wanted everything I had. So I knew this town was a good way to make more money. I had spent so much money down in Florida, just doing stupid shit, going to strip clubs and fucking party in like an idiot. Didn't save shit. I came back up, I probably had like 4,000 left at the time.
Starting point is 00:08:12 So I started grabbing more coke. sending it out to that town and the town is such a small town that people talk and someone talked and said i was at a certain spot and they ended up coming to raiding the spot getting me they ended up getting me there and brought me to uh conquered state prison where i actually i went to worcester county then conquered state prison where i started my time like i was telling you before uh mass state prisons is sweet like it's not even it's not even nothing it's like i was in the medium securities and you could just you could sit there you lay under your covers and watch TV all day and fucking eat junk food if you want to there's like a million dollar weight shack like there's like a track outside of baseball field like softball fields like there was i mean baseball field softball field's the same thing but um there's places you can play soft or like it was sweet it wasn't like it wasn't it was nothing it sucked being in and and not having you know female companion and and being i had a daughter at that time too i had a young daughter at that time she was like eight months when i got arrested
Starting point is 00:09:14 It sucked being away from her and stuff, but overall, my view of prison was that ain't shit, really, when I got out. You know, I got out when I was 25, and I got right back into doing stupid shit again. You know, I was doing stupid shit until about, probably 2014. I, you know, I saved up enough money. I started opening up some tannin salons and stuff. and I was doing some personal train and stuff but while I was in prison when I was doing that statement
Starting point is 00:09:49 is when I found fitness and I went in I was kind of like skinny fat I had like a belly with no arms and I started working out and that's where I got like the passion for fitness as a kid I was always like fascinated with physique
Starting point is 00:10:03 like not to sound gay but like looking at like bigger dudes and stuff like I thought that was like a cool look you know what I mean being in prison year around like men like you see the respect that like a bigger person has like people people look at that person they're like you know they think twice or they move out of your way i see that being in prison so young so it kind of left like an impression on me and i always like you know i want to be big like
Starting point is 00:10:27 that i want to have that that power to be big and stuff so i got it to working out in prison and i'll send you some pictures and stuff i got pictures of everything like thousands of pictures of me of me when i came out of prison pictures of me grow you could see me like month by month getting bigger and bigger all the way. So I got out. I knew the whole time I was going to do steroids. I just felt like, you know, I wasn't getting as big as other people.
Starting point is 00:10:53 You know, I would take supplements and shit. It just really, when I think back of it, and maybe my diet wasn't 100%. Like now I can blow up like this and just on medical dose of testosterone or I'm 250 pounds right now. But it's like back then, I don't know, I just feel like I was a real hard gainer.
Starting point is 00:11:10 And I was like, you know what, fuck this. I, uh, so I first found steroids on like forums and stuff looking on like, like chats, not like the, not like the dark web, but just like regular, like there'll be conversations and bodybuilding forms and stuff and people will jump in and just put little links on there and, uh, the little links will say where to get it and stuff. So I would click those links and, uh, those links would just take me to where I can order steroids and shit. I found steroids on, on the, on the internet and, uh, I ordered steroids. I remember I ordered them, and nothing happened for like three weeks.
Starting point is 00:11:47 I'm like, I'm thinking, fuck, man, this place fucking, they ripped me off. It was real high-end stuff, too. It was called alpha pharmaceuticals. It was out of India. And there's like little amps and shit. Nobody really gets these amps. And all the juice heads, they don't know what I'm talking about. They see those amps.
Starting point is 00:12:02 They get, like, excited and shit. They're like, oh, shit, the amps, they're hard to get. So I'm waiting like three weeks. Nothing happens. One day I'm out. I'm checking my mailbox and stuff. And I see a package and says, you know, from, it's got like Indian writing on it. You can tell us from India.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Like, right away, I was like, oh, I just felt like a little sweat bead going down my fucking head. Just, like, excitement just, like, completely took over me. I fucking run upstairs as fast as I can. Fucking boot open the door, running the couch, rip the package open, dump it all out. Fucking pull out my phone. I'm sending videos from my bros and shit. Like, look at this shit.
Starting point is 00:12:38 Everybody's like, so, Paul. Where did you get that shit? Huck me up at the stores. like I ain't giving you guys shit so I can put the phone down I just say I just fucking around and stuff but um so I started getting stuff online
Starting point is 00:12:49 and I started getting that stuff which was like top of the line shit it was really made in like a real pharmacy and stuff this was like two this was 2014-ish so actually this is actually when I got out
Starting point is 00:13:03 so this was two this was 2010 I'm kind of fucking up the story like it's 2014 is why I was fucking around and I ended up getting the tennis law was in 2014. Well, 2010 is when I started doing the steroids when I got out 2010. So I was doing these steroids up to about 2014 is when I started getting the tannin salons and stuff.
Starting point is 00:13:24 And, you know, being tan kind of went with the look of being jacked. So I was tanning all the time promoting, promoting my tanning salons and stuff. When I first used steroids, yeah, I put on probably about like 20, 30 pounds fast, like real fast. I'll send you pictures, like I said, you'll see the difference. And after that, I would do a little cycle on and off, on and off. Eventually, I got to the point where I would just stay on consistently. I would just stay on a little medical dose testosterone in between and then just like just blast every four weeks and then four weeks medical,
Starting point is 00:13:56 blast every eight weeks and then four weeks of like a medical dose testosterone and then blast a bunch of more hormones. Blast is just like another term for just like jumping on a cycle. They call it like blast and crewies, blasts and crew. So you'll blast a bunch of steroids and you know crews for like four weeks on a little medical dose. It's just a better way to retain more muscle and stuff. So around 2014, I found Instagram, really. I just wanted a place where I could like showcase, you know, how I was looking and find like-minded people. And I started like-minded people. And I started like
Starting point is 00:14:30 following bodybuilding accounts. And I created the Musclehead 320 account. So that Hulu show that They did the story. They said, you know, I created the muscle head 320 because I was trying to reach 320 pounds of pure muscle. Like, that story sounds good and all. Like, I should just run with that story and keep saying that because it sounds good. But really, I was searching for, I put muscle head and, like, 320 was available. So I just clicked it. I wasn't thinking the page was going to blow up.
Starting point is 00:14:56 So I used that muscle head 320. And on this page, I just started, like, being, like, really open about, like, everything that I did. Like, you didn't really see people in the industry. that were like talking openly about steroids like they were like behind the scenes on the forms or or private chats like everybody was like uh we call them fake natties where it's like they're fake natural athletes where they're claiming natural but you could clearly tell they're on steroids and stuff so my instagram page i started i started doing a whole bunch of stuff really i started posting openly about my steroids that i was using showing my progress i showed myself receiving
Starting point is 00:15:35 steroid packages right on there because it was like the wild west of instagram back that like they didn't even care what you posted as always you weren't like putting price tag and stuff so i'd show myself i'd show the little bottles i'd show myself injector i'd be i'd be on a live 100,000 people watch me live i'm cooking a steak with a needle stick out of my shoulder and stuff just doing fucking off the wall shit it was like shock value it got people to like go to the page because it was like so raw people were like this guy's a fucking lunatic taking my kids toys and like making them like play with needles just do it all off the wall shit taking food and like a hot dog wine i'll send you pictures of all this too
Starting point is 00:16:09 hot dog buns with fucking needles in it with fucking pills sprinkled on it just off the wall shit like if people looked at my page they were thinking this guy's a fucking lunatic i guess i kind was a lunatic for the stuff i was doing so i had built up a following you know a lot of people were following the page and we were also those those athletes that were claiming natural and stuff i used to put the i'd put them on blast kind of back then i was kind of an asshole i'd be like this guy's a fake natty and i would put all the information out there like because of this that that put this whole reason of why he i think he's a fake natural he'd get up they'd get on my page started talking shit other people will get i'll just bring everybody to my page so he just made
Starting point is 00:16:48 the page blow up even more so i just sat back and watched it blow up so after a while the comment sections on my page it kind of became like a form itself like it was just people on there like hey you know where i can get this you know i can get that and people are answering each other yeah hey you can get it at this site that's like the whole instagram just became like a like a form it was it was insane so after after a little bit people started like steroid companies started hitting me up they were like hey can you uh feature our products on your page we'd like to um we'd like to give you some free products and pay you and so i started doing it a little bit i started having them send me products and i would have people try it out and if it was
Starting point is 00:17:30 good i would do like a good post hey these guys are really good their stuff was great this person got this gains here's his photos here's how he looks or people would say something bad i would do like a like i would like kind of destroy their product on the screen like i would take their bottle and be like here's my review on these guys smash it with a hammer or fucking throw in a fireplace and i leave a i leave a bad review and people will go on their page and start comment oh your shit's fucking your shit's soft your shit's trash and their page would come down like this like right away i kind of built up a reputation on instagram where like things like needed like my stamp of approval like the muscle head stamp of approval now this is a different time on
Starting point is 00:18:07 instagram it's not like that now it's it's way it's way different so social media kind of uh the crowd that i had on social media um anything i put out like they were just eaten up i have a guy wrote a steroids how to ebook i made a hundred grand and 45 days it was like a 22 page book and like it still sells now i still i still have the shopify connected and it still makes money but it was like right off the rip fucking hundred grand 45 days and it started going after more after that then when I got arrested it was really making sales even my whole bid I was making sales on it which is pretty cool I was able to make some money while I was locked up um so while I was on Instagram um I started talking to these suppliers like the people that were trying
Starting point is 00:18:50 to get me to post them on my page and stuff and I was just picking their brains like little by little like finding out how like they do stuff uh like how they make it or one guy uh he was actually he's not around anymore, but he had this lab, Lucky Farm Labs. He had told me how to get the IDs and stuff from China, like the fake IDs to pick up the orders, Western Union and MoneyGram, which is how we did all the money. All the money came in through Western Union and MoneyGram. What do you mean? So you go, you can order fake ID, like fake Florida IDs with your picture, but somebody else's information on it? You could put whatever information you want on it. It doesn't have to be legit. You can just, you're really on the screen. It'll be like the ID itself.
Starting point is 00:19:33 You drag your face over, put your face there, and then you fill out all the information, height, wait. We were doing all Massachusetts IDs. What I was doing was I was Googling, like, vacant homes in Massachusetts and stuff, and I was just using those addresses. So later, I was doing that, too, with, like, the shipping. So if anything that ever got returned, it was going to, like, a bacon place where no one would find the package. So we would, yeah, so the IDs were, like, $30. We would end up by probably like, well, later we ended up getting, like, 50 at a time, 50, 60 at a time. 50 60 at a time because each ID you can pick up about well 15 grand Western Union and 15
Starting point is 00:20:09 grand money gram before they started asking you to bring in like a social security card and stuff so what we would do is we cut them off at 12 each once you hit around 12 we would just burn the ID and pull out another one we had so many of them made that it didn't even matter sometimes 10 we would do 10 to 12 so well at first though we just ordered like you know 10 this is when i say we i'm talking about one of my buddies i met in state prison uh his name's phil he's still my buddy right now um so he lived out in about an hour from me we ended up opening up a salon one of the salons together and uh we were a business we were in legal business together you know he sold some steroids locally and stuff so uh we came up with an idea you know let's uh let's get on my
Starting point is 00:20:51 like a little bit i got going here on instagram we can make some steroids and make some money so after picking all these guys brains and going on the forms and reading like exactly how to make the up, we contacted a supplier in China, and he sent us 100 grams of each hormone, which was like trembleone, equipoise, testosterone, different testosterone, mastrone, a few different other ones. I think we got, I think we got eight, 800 grams maybe, or a thousand grams. I can't remember. So we went to his house. We got the whole setup. We got like one of those zip fucking zip-up tent-type things. We got all the gloves. alcohol, everything to make sure it was sterile and stuff.
Starting point is 00:21:34 Some that took us, it took us like six hours to make like 100 bottles. I don't know why. It's just because we never did it before. Later on, there was something that mostly he was cooking it later on because I was handing all the other shit. But it was something that he could do in like 45 minutes. So it was just our first time. So a kilo of testosterone at the time cost $400.
Starting point is 00:21:55 And he can make about $1,500 to, I think it's 5 to 800 bottles. off of a kilo i think it was and each bottle we were selling for forty dollars a piece so the profit margin was fucking insane that was just that was just one kilo we'd have like five or ten of them going at once so anyway we started out with just a little bit we made it all up at his house and he had people locally that you know he was selling shit too it was so ghetto looking we had like the bottles we put tape on in we wrote like testosterone e deca it just looked like it looked cheesy his shit. So he started giving it out to all his people. He said, try this, try this, but he already had good steroids. And people are,
Starting point is 00:22:35 I don't want to try this shit. Look at it. It looks like shit. Like, just try it. Just try it. So after about three weeks, his phone was blowing up nonstop. They were like, we don't want that other shit. We don't want that other shit. We want the shit with a tape on the bottle. We want the fucked up looking shit. Give us that shit. That shit's good. We're all getting big off of that. So as soon as he said that to me, it was like a fucking cash register went in my brain. I was like, oh, shit. I was like, we're about to do some of the big now. So
Starting point is 00:23:00 Instagram daily, I'd have like a thousand messages of, hey bro, whose steroids are you using? Where can I get steroids? It was nonstop. Where can I get steroid? Where can I get steroid? I was like, I don't sell steroids. I don't sell steroids. The whole time in my head, I was kind of like a buildup.
Starting point is 00:23:17 It was like, I'm going to just keep saying I don't sell steroids. I don't know. You can see people on my page that I'm tagging and stuff. I'm showing like brands and stuff. You can go to them, but people don't know what brand am I using. Like, And I would ever really would say. So I ended up making a separate Instagram account,
Starting point is 00:23:35 and I called it Onyx Clothing Gaines. It's still up now. The account's still up. I don't have access to it, but it's still up. It's crazy. So I took these, I took blank t-shirts, and I photoshop bottles of steroids onto the t-shirts. So Instagram would remove your stuff if you put, like, a price with it.
Starting point is 00:23:56 So I'll put these t-shirts up, and I would say, You know, I got testosterone tight-fitted t-shirts or trembleone tank tops and shit. So then there's people in the comment section commented. Like, these testosterone t-shirts fit me so good. Like, it's all these people are just like playing along with it. It's funny. So people would email me and stuff and ask me. They'd be like, yeah, I need two testosterone t-shirts, but we knew what it really was.
Starting point is 00:24:20 They were getting stuff. Yeah, I'm jumping a little bit to the future. Let me see, I built it up. I built up the Instagram. I built that Instagram up on the side, and I took a picture of one of the bottles that we got made. So we made, we made, I'm still jumping around a little bit. Okay, so we got the 100 grams. Everything was good.
Starting point is 00:24:43 We ordered five kilos of each hormone, so 1,000 grams of each. We went to his house, we fucked, and we made it all. We got it all done. It took us like two, three days. Like, we could go back or forth, get it done. I left his house where half of the products went to my house. house. Now, before all this, well, right after they said the stuff was good, I started, I got made some IDs from China, which I started out with just five IDs. It was just myself. So these IDs just had my face
Starting point is 00:25:14 on it, random addresses and stuff. So I built up the Instagram account, the second Instagram account, and I took a picture of one of the bottles we had made. And I photoshop, I put it in my hand, and I photoshopped it, I blew it up to live, like, massive. And I did a picture of me flexing my bicep, which I think I have that picture. I could probably get that to you too, maybe. Picture of me flexing my bicep. And I said, I'm doing a review on these guys. I'm doing a personal review.
Starting point is 00:25:41 I'm going to try this product myself and let you guys know how it is. So the whole comment section was lit up. Oh, he's actually going to use it. I just, I built it up so much to make it look like the best stuff in the world. I mean, it was actually good. It was good stuff. It's like it was trash or anything. But I, you know, I put some marketing behind it to try to,
Starting point is 00:25:58 fucking really blow it up. So everybody's waiting, waiting on the review. When's the review going to come back at this product? The meantime, I'm still posting my regular steroid stuff. Every post I do, like someone's in the comics, they say, hey, how's that on it stuff? Hey, how's that on it's stuff? Is that good? Is that good?
Starting point is 00:26:13 Everybody just keeps asking and asking how that stuff is. So I'm building it. I'm building it. The suspense. And then finally, I did a post. I was like, I'm not going to tag these guys on Instagram. I was like, I don't want to really be affiliated with them. but I was like, you could find them pretty easy on here.
Starting point is 00:26:30 I was like, this is the best shit I ever did. I did a big review about how great it was and stuff. I mean, it wasn't really to, like, trick people. It was like in case like the law was looking, which they were eventually. It was to kind of sell steroids under the radar, but not really under the radar. So then I logged into my Onyx clothing gains account, and I commented it on the muscle head page and said, whatever you guys need, just hit me up right here. Boom, soon as I hit that comment.
Starting point is 00:26:57 in the comment section the honest clothing page it's got shit loads of following requests I started accepting them as soon as you log in you'll see an email at the top and it'll tell you how to email me so
Starting point is 00:27:13 they don't know it's you they don't know it's me no they think it's this other company they think it's the person that's supply of me muscle had the steroids so everybody's sending me messages as, like I said before, I told you before, but as soon as I did that post, my phone
Starting point is 00:27:32 rang buzzed nonstop. It was, it was from that day forward, it was two years of, like, email, emails, email, emails, emails, none stuff. It's like, I grab the phone and be like, okay, I'm going to make $30,000, then put the phone down, put the phone down. My girl would be fucking nagging me because I
Starting point is 00:27:51 could I won't put the phone down. I'd be like four or five hours. We're like, hold on, I just have to make this last fucking five grand, and then I'll put the down but that that was later on it it started it started out with just me doing everything like so my partner he worked a full-time job so when he got out of work he would have to make the bottles and people would make the old people would make the orders and I would go pick up the money myself with the IDs I would ship I would ship all the packages I would use USPS at first we were handwriting everything out which is a fucking pain of the ass and you go inside there with these big
Starting point is 00:28:26 boxes. I have to go to like four or five different post office. And they have to scan each one. They keep telling you, you know, you can get click and ship. You know you can get click and ship. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know. I didn't want to put my info. If you get click and ship, you have to register on there with like your social security and you have to have an ID and an address. So that's what we did at first. It was me doing everything. Later on, we did use click and ship. I had a friend who was actually homeless and fucking, he was like, listen, just take care of me. he was a family friend he was like just take care of me get me off the streets he's like you can use my ID you can use my identity and do whatever you want I know what you got going on because he's a friend
Starting point is 00:29:03 of the family so they knew what was going on um so he sold me his identification for like 3,000 so I used his stuff to get set up the click and ship the fucking um he he had a homeless shelter address so like the card went there we needed a Walmart prepaid card which we would use to load the click and ship and we set up the click and ship that way which was it was just a homeless sheltered address so like the easier for shipping so you can just type it in whoop it just pops up you walk in with a big crate drop it off here to go walk out it's easier than actually going in but first it was just me doing everything later on we had to bring more people in because it started getting crazy which was uh so we brought in uh some of my co-defendants on the case we brought in a couple of girls my buddy had on his
Starting point is 00:29:47 end we were uh we got to the plan where it was probably about like 30 30 to 50 000 a week in orders and they would receive 15% of everything they picked up. We had someone to receive the kilos. We had someone to receive the IDs. Towards the end, we had someone for everything. We had someone making the IDs for people. We had my co-defendant Melissa on the case. She worked at a bank.
Starting point is 00:30:15 She was helping us to launder money. She was helping us do all kinds of shit. She was helping the ID. She had people to pick up kilos. She had people to do it. So this is you going on Instagram. going on Instagram, taking an order, and then telling them to send the money, send the, you know, send $200 through, you know, Western Union to, you know, John Thomas. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:37 And then you got a buddy who's got a fake ID and the name John Thomas. So then he goes to Western Union and says, hey, I'm so I'm John Thomas. Here's my ID. I have $200 here. And then they'd give them $200 because you couldn't use, obviously you can't set up a normal business, business account to receive wire. and stuff. Yeah. So how long does he get to use that off the?
Starting point is 00:30:58 He gets to use it until it reaches, well, I said 15 grand of each, but we would cut it off at 12. So he could pick up to 12 grand at small orders. So he'd go pick up 250 at one place. We had a 250 minimum order. You had to spend 250. So he can go to a $250 at one. He'll go to a Walmart and grab it.
Starting point is 00:31:17 He can go to another store and grab three orders at once. It could be like a $700 order or $200 order or $200 order. But as soon as it reaches around 15 grand, they started saying, you need to come in with a social security card. Western Union wants you to show more proof or a birth certificate. They want more stuff. So we would just cut it off at like 12 and not have to deal with that. Sometimes 10. Sometimes even at 12, they would ask.
Starting point is 00:31:41 They'd be like, oh, we need a social security. It's crazy because all you needed was the state. You need to have to say the destination. You just say the state and the amount of money and the name. And that was it. And you could pick up the money. Like, as long as everything was spelled correctly, which was another fucking shit show later on, it's like, you got all these people trying to ship these packages out, and then there's people spelling stuff wrong. So there's people that all these Western Unions calling me, they're like, I can't pick this up because they're saying there's one letter off.
Starting point is 00:32:08 So then I got to email the customer back, and I'm asking the customer, hey, you spelled it wrong. I got to wait for them while they're said at Western Union. It was just a fucking headache. Like, every day it was nonstop, something. I mean, the money was great. It controlled my whole life. It was me having to manage it, like, nonstop. And it was like, and people are so paranoid.
Starting point is 00:32:28 They're going to get ripped off, too. Like, they're nonstop in the emails. Like, hey, bro, I said money. I sent money like three hours ago having her done. And it's like, it's like nonstop that. You have to like go there and reassure people like, hey, don't worry, man. Like, your money's going to get picked up. Like, you're not getting ripped off.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Don't worry. I got you. I got you. You have to like do that all day because people start freaking out. People want their juice and shit. They're like, they're going crazy. Like, people are like, oh, I've got a show coming up. I can't afford to lose.
Starting point is 00:32:52 my fucking you know i need to get that and like you have to like go in there and constantly reassure people which i was big on like i made sure everybody got their stuff and i made sure all the packages are out before three o'clock like that was my race every day because people when you order steroids usually you get it in like two three weeks because you're ordering it from like china or wherever i'm right here in the usa so they're ordering their package and then two days later a day later it's showing up at their door and you never really see a turnaround like that and i'm doing the bottle so cheap like $40 a bottle so that people are grabbing like 50 bottles for $40 and then they're going to the gym and selling them for like 60 or 80 and they're calling me two days later hey I need
Starting point is 00:33:31 another 40 bottles or I need 80 bottles so there was like people making money off of doing it so it was working it worked out really good like people were actually coming right back immediately because the turnover time was so fast and it was just spreading like everywhere it was crazy so first it started out with just, we had two shippers. I mean, I did it myself at first, but I got way too chaotic. Like, I had a young son at the time, too, and I'm trying to freaking take care of my son. I'm trying to go to the gym and work out. And then it's like, it was just so much. It was too much, too much as a handle. So I started bringing people in. I just told people that you can make 15%. I broke it all down and told them, like, the ins and outs of everything. I was like, it's just
Starting point is 00:34:14 steroids. Even, even me, I was thinking it was just steroids. which I wasn't thinking it was a big deal. I mean, it really wasn't a big deal. It's just the counterfeit shit that got us fucked up. So I didn't really get into that. So when we were making the steroids and stuff, I told my partner, we've got to make something look like, we've got to make it look pharmaceutical.
Starting point is 00:34:34 We've got to make it look high in. We don't want it to be looking like some bathtub brew stuff or like someone's making it in their basement and shit, even though we were making it in our basement. But, you know, we were making it clean. It was clean stuff. And it was good stuff. No one ever got any infections or anything like that off of it.
Starting point is 00:34:50 So I said, we got to make it look good. We've got to make it look pharmaceutical. So I was telling my buddy, we got to make it look pharmaceutical. I sent them the little picture of the snake with the sword. And I said, you know, it looked like a cumcemo. Like a pharmacy. Right. My partner, you know, I used to bust his balls about this all the time while we were in prison together too.
Starting point is 00:35:09 Like if he complained about anything, they'd be like, damn, man, fucking this food sucks. I'd be like, yeah, you know where the food doesn't suck? Home if you didn't use that fucking label. So he ended up Googling The pharmaceutical company is no longer in use I'm pretty sure that's what he did And he's seen onyx pharmaceuticals Which was bought out by a bigger company
Starting point is 00:35:28 And they were no longer being used So You know he just he sent that photo to China And China printed out the labels It was like three cents for a label Each label When we got all the labels made with this holographic onics pharmaceutical
Starting point is 00:35:43 I'll send you some pictures of it too onyx pharmaceutical boxes and stuff we got little boxes made little labels so come to find out there's a real onics pharmaceuticals in california i didn't find out probably till like six months later after a cell and somebody messaged me it was like hey are you guys the onics pharmaceuticals from california and i was like no and i looked into it and see that there's actually an onics pharmaceuticals out of california but you see fake shit like that all the time and i looked into it i seen their uh cancer medication company so they weren't selling steroids that it was a cancer medication company that was selling cancer medication.
Starting point is 00:36:20 So little did I know that when I did that first post with that bottle photoshopped in my hand and said, I'm going to try this out. Immediately my followers started Googling, where can we find this onyx farmer suitables? And they came across the onyx farmer suitable in California. So their inbox got flooded with messages like, hey, we're trying to buy anabolic steroids from you guys. And they're like, we don't sell anabolic steroids. What the fuck are you talking about? about. So somebody, I don't know, some of the followers was like, oh, well, this guy's posted it here
Starting point is 00:36:51 on this Instagram page right here. Look, he's selling your product. So they looked at it. They're like, oh, okay. So they hired a private investigator. And a private investigator started, you know, pieced everything together, finding out where I live. He pretty much put everything together and handed it to the feds, like a president with a bow on it. He did control buys. He did two control buys on us he somehow located where I lived which we had we used stuff on there like to block our location
Starting point is 00:37:22 but I don't know how like maybe somehow he got a blip on the IP I don't know so he handed it over to the feds that was the main thing that got me the 10 years it wasn't the steroid itself so they built the fraud chart and they looked at the fraud
Starting point is 00:37:38 chart my you know my lawyer tried to fight it and he tried to say these guys they charged me as I was as if I was stealing sales from onics pharmaceuticals like their cancer medication people were coming to buy my steroids and I was taking away from them so they built the chart they said a certain amount of million every million is like a certain amount of years the million the millions that I made came out to fucking 120 months so so wait a minute wait a minute let's go back so the private investigator hands over a dossier on you to
Starting point is 00:38:14 The FBI. Yeah. Where they just, they just take this guy's word for it. They drive straight to your house and knock on the door? I mean, how did that, did they watch you for a while? Did they? Yeah, yeah. So they set up surveillance.
Starting point is 00:38:26 They put, well, first, first the agent, this is what I learned later after seeing like the Hulu documentary and reading stuff, heard in the Boston magazine or whatever. So she went on my Instagram when she said she was blown away. She was like, she was baffled. You couldn't believe that I was out. Some guy was out in open just posting steroids like that. I mean, people didn't, if you weren't in the steroid, like, seeing, you wouldn't have seen that, but it was normal for people that were, like, bodybuilder using steroids. Like, steroids just open on social media, like, hey, I got this shit.
Starting point is 00:38:57 Like, that's just how it was. But for someone who was, like, a regular citizen for her to log in and see that. And then she's seeing those logos on top of it. So she was, uh, ice. Like, I think I told you that ICE also does, like, copyright stuff, too. So she was part of, like, the head investigator or whatever she was on ICE. So she's seen that what I was doing, and yeah, she, she, she, uh, they set up cameras around my neighborhood, which there was nothing coming to really in it out of my house. At that point, there was nothing going on for all I was doing was doing it all from the phone.
Starting point is 00:39:28 There would be people dropped me off cash and stuff, but that was about it. So they set up cameras. They put tracking devices on all of our vehicles, uh, my code offense vehicles, my vehicles, they were going through our trash. Like they built the case They already had the case tied up But they built it for another year On top of that
Starting point is 00:39:47 So two years They said they were watching us for two years But I think the private investigator Was the first year The Fed's getting involved The year after that I believe So Really towards the end
Starting point is 00:39:58 I was pretty much I was about to buy a house down of Florida I was about to move down in Florida I think I told you They got like a heads up and stuff Of like We got like kind of like a heads up
Starting point is 00:40:10 up that we were being investigated so someone that got pinched with a fake ID was going to court and stuff and some one of the prosecutors at the courthouse said something like oh there's an ongoing investigation around this person people have been picking up lots of money so when that happened we just kind of like shut everything down and started deleting shit and like two days later I ended up getting raided and stuff um how did you qualify to buy a house in Florida oh so uh I was doing a lot I paid taxes for the last two, right, two, three years. I had the tannin salons and stuff.
Starting point is 00:40:43 But we started laundering, I started laundering money, too. I started laundering a lot of money through all different ways, you know, the casino, tannin salons. I had a personal training, business account. I was making money, too, like that e-book. You know, I made that fucking hundred grand real quick. I had that in the account and stuff.
Starting point is 00:41:02 How else was I making money? Yeah, just, there was a lot of money laundering going on. And like, I did supplement. stuff too like I knew how to get supplements manufactured I would like get a fucking pre-workout and cost like four dollars to manufacture and I'd buy like a whole like 5,000 of them and post it would sell them to like 20 30 dollars so there was clean money and dirty money coming into the account but what's what's crazy is like when the feds come it's like if any clean money even the accounts that I had that were completely clean one time a transfer went into a dirty account like and I did
Starting point is 00:41:37 on accident and I pulled it out and put it back and they said oh just because that money touched that dirty account that you know it's it's all dirty and I had a house already before for it I had a $650,000 house I lived in or driving freaking Mercedes
Starting point is 00:41:53 and escalades fucking money that I could have really used now and I'm thinking back that I was just acting like a freaking idiot just by every year we get a new escalate and stuff or just being stupid just being you know there was so much money coming in it didn't matter go to like the casino put like 30 grand on the red on the roulette table
Starting point is 00:42:11 I lost it like yeah you know fuck it I'll just make that I'll make that I'll get on my phone and make that back right now or usually I would just drive down or lose 30 that 60 that 120 get my money back maybe make a little get the fuck out of there but most of the time the casino wins anyway so that's always a fucking crap shoot especially when you're betting like big and roulette and stuff but uh yeah so
Starting point is 00:42:34 the house in Florida I got pictures of the house of Florida you know I got pictures there even though I could sell you all these pictures so you can add it if you want but yeah the place in florida was like a fucking mansion it was crazy it was uh it was like there was another six hundred thousand dollar house I had put a for sale side of my house yeah and the agents the agents knew that uh we pretty much knew that we were spooked and they came and they fucking you know they they didn't come I think I told you uh so when we tell you the day like the raid kind of get into that story yeah yeah what happened like okay So it was 6.30 in the morning.
Starting point is 00:43:10 I got up and I could just tell something that was off. Like the birds weren't chirping anymore. The air was just super still. I was like, man, something's not right. So I jumped up and I started to go towards the window. Before I could even get to the window, I started, boom, boom, boom. And it was, you know, they were banging on the door. I was like, fuck.
Starting point is 00:43:29 So I was in my boxers and shit. I didn't even get dressed. My girl was in bed sleeping. My two young kids were in the other room. My girl's eyes popped open I knew right away what it was So I get to get to the stairs And I look
Starting point is 00:43:42 All the agents It's like glass window Like glass windows in the front of my house All the agents are pointing their rifles Through the window and stuff Like we got one coming down I open a door I'm like
Starting point is 00:43:52 I'm like what the fuck I was like All this for some fucking steroids Are you serious And I was in like a rich neighborhood And these ladies were like Grabbing their fucking little poodles And their purses And just like shaking their heads at me
Starting point is 00:44:04 Like I was the biggest piece of shit ever like I look at this scumbag getting arrested I just felt like yelling hey it's fucking steroid it's not that serious like I'm not a fucking terrorist but they probably thought I was a terrorist then I open the door and I'm just fucking I'm in my boxers I'm all fucking jacked and tan and it just looked crazy they just cuffed me up and fucking they brought us all downtown they freaking arrested everybody arrested my kid's mother for no reason uh arrested all my coat of fed ends there was there was six of us that got arrested really um We're arrested for money laundering.
Starting point is 00:44:38 We're arrested for copyright infringement. We're arrested for trafficking drugs, trafficking a counterfeit drug. And then there was enhancements. They gave a leadership role enhancement, which is if you tell five or more people under you what to do, you get a leadership role enhancement. And there's two different ones. There's a two point and a four point. And for some reason I got the four point one, which is the one they give to like terrorists for telling people to do shit. But I'm still blown away by all this.
Starting point is 00:45:06 Like, I'm still thinking it's just steroids until I get into court. And so I had a lawyer already all set up if something happened. You know, he'll probably get on this podcast, too. He likes the social stuff. If you ever want to talk to him, I could get him on here talking. He'll jump right on. I talk to him all the time. So, yeah, he's a good lawyer.
Starting point is 00:45:25 His name's Rick Collins. He's mostly a steroid attorney and stuff, but he's real smart. He's been in a lot of shows and stuff. He knows a lot of stuff. So I had him on standby. If something was going to happen, Someone was going to come pay him the cash, and he was going to be my lawyer. So that's what happened.
Starting point is 00:45:39 He got paid cash. Luckily, I had a bank account, too, that they weren't able to seize right away. I was able to pay him the rest of the money out of that bank account to retain the lawyer. And I was also able to, they gave a bail to my child's mother. We just had a baby. The baby was three weeks old. They gave her a $50,000 bail. I was able to bail her out.
Starting point is 00:45:58 Luckily, they seized that money later, obviously. But they weren't able to seize that account at Ferris, which was great. So we, yeah, so I was still thinking it was just a regular steroid case. That wasn't the copyright stuff that when they said it, I was like, yeah, I mean, I didn't think it was a big deal. I thought I was going to do like maybe four years, five years, most. Okay. But when they charged me like, like if someone took a Gucci purse and put a Gucci logo on it and sold it as Gucci. But I didn't do that.
Starting point is 00:46:27 I took steroids and put a cancer medication logo on there and sold it as steroids. I wasn't selling it as fucking cancer medication. which my lawyer was trying my lawyer was trying to fight that and the company didn't lose any money because you weren't duplicating their product you were duplicating a product that they don't even or you were you were using their their labels on a product that they don't sell so they didn't lose any money yeah see the main reason the like that that looked good like if somebody googled my steroids they would like oh it's coming from a pharmacy so I think you know that's probably it added legitimate to to the product so but still they didn't take a loss yeah like you said they didn't take a loss like we didn't take no sales especially because they weren't even using that logo anymore so they didn't lose nothing but they took the chart and said we took this amount of sales from their company they got up to in the courtroom like at my sentence and it was like fucking like i was being like like i was the biggest piece like he got up like they ruined he ruined the reputation of thousands of people's hard work now anytime you google you google on expharmaceuticals, all you see is this unhealthy stuff that we don't deal with, we don't deal with. And this is the bigger company that bought out on extramaceuticals.
Starting point is 00:47:43 They got up there saying that I ruined the reputation of millions of people's hard work and I'll listen. I'm sure that came into play with the judge when he sentenced me to the 120 months. My lawyer was thinking I was going to get 60 months too at first until like the copyright stuff
Starting point is 00:47:58 chart was built. And then he's like, I'm thinking maybe seven, maybe eight. He's like, the prosecutors are asking for like 130 i think and we went in still asking for 60 months hopefully maybe i was hoping i was hoping the judges see it as a steroid case and be like yeah this is bullshit you didn't he didn't copyright and fringe he didn't steal any sales from them and said i was hoping so we went in with an open plea leaving it in the judge's hands pretty much and it didn't really work out my favor they gave me fucking double of what i asked for 120 months i couldn't believe it it felt like a fucking
Starting point is 00:48:27 a dream when he said it i felt like like you know when you hear somebody dies you kind of get that sinky feeling inside it was like that feeling like that sinky fucking trance dreamlike feeling like i remember just everything's like a blur going back to my cell that night just sitting there looking at the ceiling like i really just get 120 months for fucking steroids are you fucking serious a hundred and i couldn't believe it it didn't for like a year i couldn't believe it like finally kicked in like a year later i was like yeah i'm doing fucking 120 months wow this is real this is this just really happened i couldn't believe it yeah i started my bid in uh four Fort Dix. I don't know if you, you ever heard of Fort Dix.
Starting point is 00:49:06 Yeah. I only lasted there about six months. I did an interview that went public. It was just my voice, but I did it over a cell phone, and he sent me to a medium, and I was fucking, most stupid medium ever since. Fort Dix is, is that a low or a low or camp? Yeah, it's a low. So I started on a low, because my points were low. Somehow, I don't know how maybe, I don't know. My points were low, and I lasted there like six months. I did it. interview this guy johnny bravo it did it was my voice and it ended up uh he ended up getting me out of there they said i did an interview over a cell phone they charged me using a hazardous tool they didn't find the cell phone or nothing but they got me out of there and i ended up uh in medium security and i fucking did all my bid the whole bit in medium security which sucked what happened to your kid's mom all right she really doesn't want me to mention her much in this she doesn't she doesn't
Starting point is 00:49:59 she hates anything to do with this shit i'll talk i'll talk a little bit about it so uh so she ended up getting they pulled her in because a vehicle that was registered under her name which is one of the escalades um they seen a GPS meet the shipper and uh money was handed to one of the shippers for for for shipping products so that was one way they pulled her in they said okay a vehicle registered in your name met somebody so it must have been you Right. So another way they pulled her in was they said the internet bill was in her name. I don't know. Yeah, that's how that's another way they pulled her in. And the third way they pulled her in, which this one was probably the one that actually got her was.
Starting point is 00:50:45 So her sister was my co-defendant too. Her sister was picking up money and stuff. And my phone had died one time. And her sister was messaging me trying to get someone spelled the name wrong. And she was trying to get the information to me like, hey, this person spelled the name wrong. She texted her sister, which was my, my girl, and she said, hey, can you give me this information? So my girl gave them the information. Then my girl said, yeah, it's for this amount of money. So just by her saying that, it put her in it and making it look like she was involved in it. So they said that she was handling money.
Starting point is 00:51:18 They said a whole bunch of stuff she wasn't really doing. And we had a fucking three-week-old son. And we have another son, too. And at the time, my other son was four. and my newborn was three weeks old and they gave her I mean by the time they let her bail out
Starting point is 00:51:34 and for about a year after about a year they gave her a year year in prison which is which is bullshit and my son's fucking by that time my son's five and the other one
Starting point is 00:51:44 and I'm already doing 10 years like you gotta lock up a girl but you know that's you know how that's how the feds are they're they come and they come hard they'll lock up your grandmother they'll hold your grandmother hostages they'll lock up everybody
Starting point is 00:51:56 they just don't fucking around That's why, like, I'm just, I'm done with committing crime. I can't afford to, or imagine having to go back through that shit again. After all of those living conditions and the COVID, when COVID hit prison, it was like, okay, guys, we're going to send you to yourselves for a little bit. We're going to let you out tomorrow. We're in the cell for eight months straight, getting bologna sandwiches three times a day. All our events are intertwined.
Starting point is 00:52:20 So every time an officer brings in a new strand of COVID, the whole block has it over and over. So we're just sitting on our cell for eight months, get sick, over and over. Every three days, they let us out for, like, 15-minute showers, can't touch the phones, can't touch the computers. You're sending out mail, but no one wants to touch your mail because they're afraid you're going to give them COVID. They're all acting like, we are the carriers of COVID, when it's like it's coming in the streets.
Starting point is 00:52:43 We're stuck in the cell. So that whole COVID process scared the criminal out of me, too. I was like, wow, that prison hasn't been the same since then. Prison's fucked up. The camps, the lows, everything is fucked. completely shit. So if you commit a crime now and you go into the feds,
Starting point is 00:52:58 it's horrible. It's horrible time. It's so much better in the real world. It's not even worth risking anything in going back to the feds no matter what. Like, I'd rather fucking be homeless than fucking living on the side of the road before going back to that lifestyle. I couldn't imagine.
Starting point is 00:53:14 It's mentally damaging. It's fucking physically damaging. Yeah, that was another thing, too. I went to prison. I'm 260 pounds. I'm 260 pounds shredded. You know what I mean? And I get arrested. And if you've been on, I was on steroids for seven years straight.
Starting point is 00:53:32 So my natural production of testosterone was gone. Like my body's not producing testosterone anymore. So I'm in a cell and I'm just fucking withering away to nothing. Like I fucking, I lost probably like 50 pounds within like 45 days. I was walking down the tier and there was an officer at the desk and he's looking at his computer and he's looking at his computer
Starting point is 00:53:59 looking at me, looking at his computer. He's like, hey, my minute, come here. So I come over. He spins the desk around and it's a picture of me like at Muscle Beach and stuff in California and he's like, is this you right here? I'm like, yeah, he's like, man, what the fuck happened to you? I was like, you try to come in here and living like this and eat no food, no weights. I was like being on all these hormones and crashing. I was like, There's no way to maintain this size.
Starting point is 00:54:21 My lawyer was fighting the whole time for me to just get a medical dose of testosterone. My whole bid, the BOP was like, no, fuck you, fuck you, we don't care. Like, they took my blood work. It shows that my body is not making testosterone. They're still like, no, it's, we're not going to, it's a cosmetic thing. I'm like, how is it cosmetic? It's a medical thing. My body is not making it, right?
Starting point is 00:54:40 And when I got out of prison, I was like super skinny fat. Like now I've been on TRT for about two months now, which is good. And, you know, I was able to get that at the halfway house. And my body bounced back pretty quickly. But there was a period of time where when your body's not making testosterone, you're not even like a man. You're fucking, you feel like a girl. You're fucking emotional. Everything's going on.
Starting point is 00:55:06 My fucking house is B&Cs. My bank counts B&Cs. My kids are trying to take my kids away. They're fucking, they're locking my girl up. I'm losing all this muscle. I remember, you know, I've never. ever thought about my life until this happened and I'm sitting in my bed and I'm just looking at this razor on my desk and I'm like all this pain that I'm feeling right now I could easily
Starting point is 00:55:29 just take that razor one slice and it's gone I'll bleed it all out like I've never ever felt like that and my fucking hormones are so out of whack and everything going on top of that and it's like the feds don't care like they have no regard for or thinking about stuff like that like they don't think about that shit it's like they just think about the money like we're to come in this fucking dude's house he's got all kinds of money we're gonna take his fucking money we're gonna take his cars but they don't think about like ripping families apart and fucking the stuff that people have to go through but they look at it as like oh well you're a criminal you deserve that stuff and like the shit's pretty harsh the shit that they do is
Starting point is 00:56:04 harsh i mean maybe it took that to fucking scare me straight because i definitely won't commit any more crimes but it was a it was a hard time like that was the only time i ever i ever contemplated and I don't ever want to go through that shit again that shit was rough um
Starting point is 00:56:21 so how much did you get you got halfway house yeah I got 10 months halfway house at the end I ended up doing seven a little bit about
Starting point is 00:56:30 a little bit over seven like seven years two months or something I got 10 did you take a no I ended up getting the FSA yeah
Starting point is 00:56:39 I actually I was just I caught COVID kind of shut it COVID kind of shut Ardap down didn't it? Yeah, it backed it up to the point where I wasn't able to reap the benefits from it.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Like my co-defendant, he was able, so that, I don't know if you know about the new law, the First Step Act law, where you get a year after sentence, if you're a nonviolent offender and you stay out of trouble, then it's always you've got to meet this criteria. So a lot of people are getting, I actually got it. My co-defendant got it too, but he was able to actually do the, do the, uh, ARAP and get the year off. So he was able to make, get all the benefits from all of it. I was able to reap all those benefits. because the COVID he had slowed up Ardap so much that it came time to it was like okay you can do you can do Ardap or just take your FSA year and go home like obviously I'm gonna take the FSA but they were like but you could you could really use it I'm like I'm in here for fucking steroids I didn't have any narcotic issues or anything I use steroids and I upplayed that a little bit so I could get into Ardap you know I told them now I'm shooting fucking five bottles of testosterone a day and my my liver is about to shut down that was just you know I'll play that to try to get into ARDAP so I could get that year off.
Starting point is 00:57:47 If I didn't need to do it, like, I've seen guys doing it. That shit's an art program. Like, you got to do a lot of shit. I hold people accountable and stuff. And I was in medium securities and stuff. And it's like, you pretty much got to tell on people. Like, hey, this guy didn't tuck his, he didn't tuck his shirt in. Ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:58:05 It's so bad. Everybody gets on the microphone. I saw a guy get, he, this is like a guy who was, he was in there for fucking, like, tax fraud. Like, I mean, he literally got like four years and he's an ARDAP. And he pulls up a gang member from Hawaii, a Samoan, who's been to trial twice for murder. He's like a crypt or a blood or something. And he pulls them up and starts saying, you know, basically he caught him smoking like K2 in the bathroom. And he starts talking to the guy. And the guy is literally about that. Like, he's going to lose his year. Yeah. Because it's already been an issue. Yeah. And the guy wanted
Starting point is 00:58:41 of the year, his mom was dying of cancer. And the guy's like, I'm trying to hold him accountable. He fucking attacks the guy in the morning meeting in front of all the fuck, I mean, swings on him, hits him in the fucking shoole. I mean, it's fucking melee. Yeah, it's crazy. They just,
Starting point is 00:58:58 they encourage you to, it's like they're preparing you to go home and like tell on people and stuff. I mean, I heard the program is a good program for people that like actually need it. It's not just, it gives you life lessons I heard. You did it, right? Yeah, I did it twice. I mean, I never passed it because I dropped out on purpose, but it's, I think it's a good program.
Starting point is 00:59:17 I mean, I really, honestly, it, it has nothing to do with drugs, like very little to do with drugs at all, to be honest. It's about just criminal thinking, but so many of these guys need it, bro, you know, you spit enough time, meet these guys that you're just like, wow, you're not, you're not right. Like, you need, you don't know how to say thank you or please or be just a normal being. You're just a piece of garbage. like and you know they just don't know any better and they're they're they're planning on go right back out doing drugs and everything else that they got them in there at the begin with you're like yeah you see a lot of people with their their next bid already planned like they got their next scheme and shit like man what are you doing you didn't have enough like this is enough
Starting point is 00:59:58 like what the fuck especially after COVID they everybody should have woke up after that but yeah you meet a lot of people in there that you never get excuse me's you never get thank you is like they act like the world owes them stuff and shit there is a lot of people that do need our depth So, I mean, it did help. I'm sure it helped some people. And the Ardap, where I was at, you had to, like, get up every week and do, like, a fucking 15-minute seminar, like, on the microphone. Just, like, come up with something, like, you can't even read it off of paper and stuff. I was like, man, fuck that.
Starting point is 01:00:25 I can't do that shit. I have trouble speaking already. I can't fucking get up there and do that. Yeah, I was wondering. You went to the halfway house? Where did you get a job? I mean, what do you do? What's going on that?
Starting point is 01:00:35 So I got to the halfway house, 10 months halfway house. Um, right now, I've been on home confinement for about a month now. Um, I started a restoration company. Um, it's not up and fully going yet, but I paid the insurance on it and everything set up. Um, I got some friends that know how to do the work and stuff where we're on apps right now, trying to land jobs. Um, I wrote another book while I was in prison. I released it while I was in prison. I started making money on the book while I was in prison. It's called the plug. It, uh, it starts out like, the whole muscle head story kind of stuff that I told now but like a little more in detail the stuff and the whole buildup and then it takes them through the courts and everything I went through and then it also takes them through everything in prison like all the nitty gritty stuff that happened while I was in prison me discovering like like going through like everything that I went through mentally I wrote it the book like you could actually see the change in me in the book you can actually see like how my mind was criminal and how I turned into not being a criminal anymore and this
Starting point is 01:01:39 probably like 500 photos in there, like tons of pictures of me in prison, pictures of me working out, pitches me with guys and jail and stuff. It's all photos of like the muscle head stuff, like everything, me transforming. I got into steroids and stuff like that. But so I make money off of that book. Also, I got some stuff going on and some supplements. I got some friends that legal supplements that are in the supplement industry and stuff. And I always knew how to manufacture and stuff like that,
Starting point is 01:02:06 like legally through manufacturing companies. um i'm good at marketing and stuff like that i i know how to do a lot of good marketing and stuff so i have i have one buddy who's got a business and he's going to pay me to do some market i have a bunch of little things that haven't like once one of them kicks off and and is something that i know is going to make really good money i'm going to put more uh put more my energy into whatever that is i got a youtube channel i start i have started one up i put a video up on there i got 10 000 views right away which is pretty good it's not too bad for the first first video out of prison. I got the Instagram Musclehead 320. It's Musclehead 320, but instead of 20,
Starting point is 01:02:44 it's a, it's an all of the end instead because they remove the original account. Then right now I'm just kind of doing like a stay-at-home dad thing. My kids, I'm taking care of them and stuff while my girl works and brings home with bread, tell her I need chicken and rice. She's got to work to give me chicken and rice so I can stay jacked. You've got to get to work. I need all this protein. What the fuck? I took care of you for all these years. It's your but she's cool with it she likes she likes me being at home with the kids and stuff which is good you know i'm just i'm just trying to stay out of trouble i mean i'm not trying i am staying out of trouble i don't i have zero urge to to break the law like it's done like all these all these years
Starting point is 01:03:19 of committing crimes and stuff it took me now till fucking i'm 40 years old now it took me that i learned it in my 30s that i was done while i was locked up but now being 40 it's like the shit's over i can't i can't afford if i go back next time it's it's gonna be like 20 or 15 and Then I'm going to, I probably won't need to make it. Like, there's no way I'm doing that much time. Those suicidal thoughts I had before will probably come back, and I'll probably get myself. Like, I'm not going back to do 20 years.
Starting point is 01:03:44 So I'd rather do 20 years. Not ever. Um, okay. Well, so I was wondering about the muscle head 320. You just can't get that account. You can't get that name anymore. Yeah. So they, they remove the account.
Starting point is 01:04:01 Once you've had a name on there, it's gone. It's the muscle had $3.20. I was actually, yeah, they took the account down. I still have a Snapchat. My Snapchat has like 400K followers on it. It's still somehow, I don't know, like, it's been sitting there for years. That was like a, I know it's kind of like a kid's fucking thing now, but when I was out, last time, you could post whatever on there. You're like, you could, if you wanted to, you'd want to do one, they're naked and they wouldn't take it down.
Starting point is 01:04:25 So I used to make a lot of sales on Snapchat, too. But, yeah, so I just have the regular muscle head three, two, oh, instead of, it's, but I might, change it eventually. But if somebody goes on Google and Google's Musclead at 320, it takes them right to that Instagram anyway. Even if you put the old number, the zero instead of the hour, it takes them right to that Instagram, which is cool.
Starting point is 01:04:49 But yeah, so I'm just staying out of trouble and fucking try to get, I get off house arrest and our home confinement in December, Christmas day in December, which is good and I'm done with the criminal life.
Starting point is 01:05:04 All right. If anything else you want me to, like, go back on or dive into, just let me know I can do it, whatever. No, I think this is good. Can you send me those pictures and, you know, see what, what editor does with them? Yeah, I got a bunch of pictures. The only thing is, like, some of my picture,
Starting point is 01:05:22 I got this fucking white pride tattoo on my stomach when I was, like, 18 years old. So you might want to edit some of those out where I could do it probably. You know what people look like, something, I don't know. Sometimes it brings a lot of views and people post me with that picture. like what the fuck is this this fucking white supremacist doing and they'll click on it and shit but then again it's some some of the attention is negative attention but it was never even a racist thing like i got it when i was younger i was just proud to be white that's all like you see the ufc
Starting point is 01:05:47 fighter kane vasquez he's got brown pride on his chest and there was never an issue about it even when i when i used to post as muscle head it would that was another thing that used to bring people to the page like other pages would feature me and like like fitness pages and then the whole comment section will be a race war it'd be like fucking 3 000 people back or forth like talk of shit white's black white's black like i'm not racist it's just like i was just proud to be white but nowadays america is so sensitive that i gotta get the shit laser off my stomach so i'm going to especially if i show a good transformation if i do like a comeback physical transformation on social media but i can't do it with large amounts of steroids anymore
Starting point is 01:06:26 it's not healthy i'm fucking 40 years old they can't be pumping fucking major grams of trend and stuff in my body, which I was back then. I was doing a lot of, I was doing a lot of hormones, pushing boundaries and stuff. And while I was gone, a lot of people passed away, like friends of mine that are well-known, like, in the industry and stuff passed away from doing the same shit that I was doing. And maybe I look at it sometimes, like, maybe prison actually
Starting point is 01:06:49 saved me from being one of those guys. Like, I could have had a heart attack. I could have crashed my kidneys. I could have decided because I was so wrapped up mentally in that muscle head character that I was doing whatever the fuck I had to do to get bigger, stronger. And every single time, it was like, the bigger I got, the more the more sales came in.
Starting point is 01:07:07 So it was like, I posted a new picture of me fucking flexing my traps and stuff. And it was like, there's another fucking $20,000 in steroid sales. So I'll just keep getting big and see what happens. But it wasn't healthy for sure. What happened with the, you said there was Hulu episode or something? Yeah, there's a Hulu episode. It's called The Age of Influence, Episode 4.
Starting point is 01:07:29 It tells my story Like some of the stuff I just talked about right now It takes you back to It shows videos of the city and stuff That I was living in When I sell a weed as a kid and stuff It brings you through my whole life Up to my sentence and stuff
Starting point is 01:07:43 Which is Yeah, pretty much up to my sentence Yeah It was it's good It's got a lot of detail in it They actually like Use a lot of my photos and videos and stuff And as a real good storyline
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