Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Taking Down The Largest Ponzi Scheme in SC History...

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

Taking Down The Largest Ponzi Scheme in SC History...

I ran a Ponzi scheme, $57 million, largest Ponzi scheme in South Carolina history. And I thought, he said it with pride. And one day, he brings it up again. Well, you know, they indicted those guys. They're going to trial. And I just know that they're going to have me come up there and, you know, whatever, you know, testify. And they're not going to give me nothing, though. And I was like, I said, bro, why do you keep saying that?

And he looked at me and he goes, can I trust you? And I said, probably not. And he said, I did hide some money. And I think they're going to find out about it. So I call my lawyer at the time and I said, here's what I know. And I told them what I know, what he told me. And then they started asking me questions about Wilson. Like, can you find out this?

Can you find out this? So now I'm walking around the compound with this guy, probing him with questions all this happened right and i'm emailing the secret service agent i'm like hey what happened they're like i we don't we can't tell you what happened but they did come in and i promised you it's basically says it's going to be devastating to wilson so one day i'm out walking and i see wilson hey cox cox and i remember thinking oh shit and I appreciate you guys watching. I'm about to do another segment

of the Frank Amadeo story. Now, if you've been watching the story, you understand how it's slowly progressing and that I'm currently, while I was right, while I met Frank in prison, I also wrote his, a synopsis or a story about Frank while incarcerated. And I know Frank,

while incarcerated because he had done legal work for me. So several videos ago, I think maybe two, maybe three videos ago, Frank had represented me as my, you know, my prison lawyer on what's called the 2255 where he filed a reduction for me or on my behalf to the U.S. to the government. And the government, of course, they fought the reduction. I had done things I'd been interviewed by

Dateline and American Greed and I'd also written an ethics and fraud course and a Red Flag Rules course at the request of the government to reduce my sentence and the government they wouldn't reduce it like they had asked me to do these things

they said they would consider it what's called substantial assistance they said we'll consider it substantial assistance Substantial assistance Typically If they consider something substantial assistance And they agree that it is substantial assistance Then they will reduce your sentence

For that substantial assistance Now the government had said But here's the problem The problem is that The government said they would reduce my sentence And they didn't And their reasoning behind it at that time was that there were no arrests made based on the assistance of Mr. Cox. And as a result of that, they didn't give me.

They said, oh, well, nobody was arrested. Now, they knew going in, nobody was going to be arrested. When you say, hey, we'll consider this substantial assistance if you're interviewed by Dateline. And then, like, there was no chance I was going to be interviewed by Dateline. And they were going to go out and arrest people. Regardless, that's what they did to kind of trick me and my lawyer. Frank ended up filing a 2255 and eventually got seven years knocked off my sentence. So we're going to start at that point for the sake of simplicity.

I had gotten back to Coleman and I'd been there maybe a month or two. Now there had been a guy on the compound. His name was Ron Wilson. he was an old con man he was probably i don't know what he was in his 60 he was in his 60s 61 62 maybe 63 i don't know exactly how old he was but ron wilson had run a ponzi scheme in south carolina ron wilson's ponzi scheme was based on trading uh silver right so he he would trade he would trade silver in the is it commodities market right yeah you show itself sorry so he would trade silver in the commodities market and supposedly you really took possession like of the silver when this happened so there's possession of the silver

he then trades it um based on the fluctuation of of uh of its value What Ron Wilson was really doing was running a Ponzi scheme. Now, he would, he did these seminars around, really, I think around the, around, basically throughout the south. You know, Tennessee, North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, of course. And he would go in and he'd do a seminar about how he trades and how he has a formula. and there were people that were, there were people that are financial advisors would come and he'd pitch financial advisors like,

hey, get your clients to invest in this and he'd pay them a certain amount of money. But what it really was was a Ponzi scheme. And what a Ponzi scheme is is that let's say you give me $1,000 and I'm going to tell you, hey, you give me $1,000 and I'm going to invest it for you. So you give me $1,000. And let's say a year from now, I say,

I've made you $1,000. I've made you $300. So 30%. So you now have $1,300 in the account. Well, let's say you turn around and you say, hey Matt, I want my $1,300 back. But I haven't really invested. I haven't really done anything.

I've actually spent your $1,000. But as long as I keep getting additional people to invest, so somebody else gives me a thousand and another guy gives me a thousand and another guy gives me a thousand when the original investors start saying hey i want to take my profits out like i want my three hundred dollars you can give him the three hundred dollars because you brought in five thousand dollars from other people even if that person says i want my three hundred dollar profit and my original thousand dollar investment back you can give that to them because you've given or you've you've collected five thousand dollars from five

other people. Now, let's say three of those people want their money back. As long as you keep getting new investors to pay back the old investors, you can run a Ponzi scheme. The problem is at some point, most Ponzi schemes get to be so big and so many people are asking for their profits or their original capital back that it eventually collapses. And that's what happened with Ron Wilson's. Wilson had brought in, I want to say he'd brought in a little over a hundred million dollars. He'd lost $57 million. So sometimes I would get an article and the article would say it's a $57 million Ponzi scheme. Sometimes it'd say Ron Wilson was running a $100 million Ponzi scheme. Bottom line is I know he owed about $57 million. So a lot of that money he had

bought things with or just blown. This went on for 10, 15 years because the money that he was promising people wasn't too outrageous. Like, I don't think he was promising, you know, 100% returns. It was a reasonable return. Really, it was still unreasonable. It's like 20, 30%, 40%, still unreasonable, by the way. But, and most people that were investing with him, the bulk of his investors were made

up of people that were using it as a retirement fund. pension funds and churches. So there are churches that are investing their money with him. There are people that are paying into a pension fund for, let's say, a steel manufacturer or some company that makes some kind of textile and they've got 50 employees or 200 employees. They're giving Ron Wilson's company the money from the pension fund to invest. And because he'd been around so long, more and more people trusted him.

Like, you've been around 15 years. If it was a Ponzi scheme, it would have collapsed by now. So nobody thought it was a Ponzi scheme. Well, eventually what happened was in 2008, 2009, when things started going bad, it caught up with him. People started asking for money back. And he was paying out money, paying out money, paying out money. And he really felt like he could have weathered the storm. But some woman, he had taken some money.

from some woman, some woman's father, I think, who was a retire who was like 70-something years old, he'd taken like 100,000, 200,000. She wanted her money back or the money back. She said he was too old to know what he was doing. There was a huge argument, and then she ended up going to, like, the FBI or something. Well, the FBI looked into it a little bit, made a few phone calls, and realized, hey, this is potentially a Ponzi scheme. And so then they started filing subpoenas.

And Wilson realized right away, this is about to fall apart. Like, this is going to fall apart. One of the things that they did was they called the depository where he was supposed to have been keeping his silver. So a lot of the silver is supposed to be dropped off at, let's say, you know, like a holding center. Well, when they called and asked for how much money of Ron Wilson's clients were there, there's almost nothing there. There should have been millions. Should have been like $100 million in silver there that he's trading. Nope.

Not there. So he's in trouble. He knows it. And Ron Wilson goes in to the secret service or goes in. He finds out the Secret Service is one investigating it. Ron Wilson goes into the Secret Service office and with his lawyer and says, look, I'm here. Here's what happened. I'm running a Ponzi scheme.

It's been 15 years. Here's how much money it is. I've taken in. Here's what I have. And here's what I have left. Wilson literally went and dug up silver, gold, and these large cans of, they were ammunition cans. Like I guess the ammunition comes in like a tin, like these old tins that he had that had money in them. Like just stacks of cash.

Went and dug it up and gave it to the Secret Service. and said, this is what I did, knew he was doomed. He got 19 and a half years. You know, and, you know, rightfully so. He was also one of the problems was that Wilson was also, he was like a city councilman or a county commissioner. Like, like, he was held, like, really high up in the community. Like, nobody saw this coming.

Anyway, and then, of course, you've got people that basically have, like, think that Wilson's got $3 million of their money, and it turns out there's no money. You'll be lucky to get $5,000 back when this is over. Like, there's nothing. So can you imagine? Like you're retiring, like you're about to retire or you've retired and you're living off of Social Security, your house is paid back. And every once in a while you ask Wilson for $50,000 or $20,000.

And he's giving it to you, of course, because you think you've got $3 million in the bank. But the truth is, you got nothing. There's no money. so at that moment you're not getting any more checks from him listen there's something called a clawback clause or a clawing back money where typically what people don't realize is that when these government investigators come in and they start looking at all the money they start they'll do is they'll say okay well you invested $100,000 into this Ponzi scheme right right but you took out $400,000 in the last five years

right okay so you made 400,000 that you shouldn't have made well what are you talking about he said i had the money said he had been investing yeah but he didn't so the 400,000 that you got out is money that other people gave him so we're going to need that 400,000 back yeah i wish you guys could see to look on colby's face when i just said that people don't realize that like in in um Bernie madeoff's case there were some investors that had invested maybe a million dollars, but over the course of 10 years, they'd taken out, you know, $10 million. The government went to them and said, you owe $9 million. And now, of course, and literally like they'll come in, they'll say, we're going to take your house, we're going to

this, we're not. Now, the problem is that most of the time the government threatens you and you get scared and you like, oh, I'll give you this, I'll give you that. But the truth is, is a lot of times they just people negotiate. They go get an attorney. The attorney, like, you're prime. You're Primary residents, they can't really take. But let's say you've got four rental properties. They'll tell you, sell the rental properties and give us the money or we'll just take them. Like there's a whole, but they'll start taking your stuff. So what happens is you get victimized twice, really, once by the scammer, by the Ponzi schemer.

And a second time by the U.S. government, or by the government agency that comes in and tells you, by the way, all that money that you, not only all the money that you thought you still had in there, that's gone, but now the money you got out over the last three years. We want all that back. A lot of times they'll negotiate like the $5 million down to a million dollars, like whatever they can give you back and you'll negotiate it. And usually that works. Anyway, you have to understand that Wilson had real victims.

Anyway, back to being in prison. Wilson shows up in prison And I remember he showed up And one of the funny things was That white guys show up to prison And You know, a lot of white guys Not a lot

Should say Some of the white guys that show up to prison If you're an older white guy That has a certain look And you know the look I'm talking about They got the thick glasses They're kind of They're kind of

They look like they've never left the house they've been in the basement, pasty white. And so a lot of those guys come in and they were looking at like pictures of children or something. And they ended up getting five years. So they'll come in and they'll say, one of the things that they typically say because they usually have no knowledge of drugs,

normally what they'll say when they get there is they'll say, oh, I'm here for fraud. Because they figure nobody really understands fraud unless you're another fraudster. And there's so many varying cases of fraud or types of fraud, they figured they can get away with it. Well, the guy's in the unit when someone would show up and say fraud and they were like,

I don't know, maybe he's here for fraud and maybe he's here for looking at little kids pictures. They would go, hey, Cox, go talk to that guy, see what he's here for. And I'd be like, oh, man. And usually you could practically just look across the room and say, oh, yeah, that guy's, he's here for a sex offense. Like, he's a weirdo. You can look at him and tell. But I remember I looked across at Wilson. and the way Wilson was standing

and the look on his face the arrogance and confidence that he had being in his mid-60s glancing around the room with just disdain for everybody there. I remember I looked at him and I went oh yeah, no, no, he's here for fraud. And they go, what makes you think that?

And I go, that's a con man right there, bro. That's a straight con man. And they go, go, go, go talk. to him and I went all right I walked up and I said hey man I heard you're here for fraud and he goes yeah I said uh what kind of fraud and he said and he kind of looked at me he goes looked at me up and down he goes I ran a Ponzi scheme 57 million dollars because he didn't say the hundred million I think he might have said I took in a hundred million he goes but I remember him saying the 57 million he goes 57 million dollars he said largest Ponzi scheme in

South Carolina history and I thought He said it with pride. Like he liked that he said. He loved that title. And I remember thinking, I could, this guy's, I know. He's, he's a con man. And I was like, really? And he goes, yeah.

I said, what was the conveyance? And he goes, silver. And I said, really? So what were you doing with the silver? Like trading it? Yeah, I was trading it. People thought I was trading it on the, you know, as a commodity and whatever. So he went on and on about it.

We started talking about it. I was like, wow. Anyway, Wilson did not like. a lot of people in prison. People did not like him in prison. He, you know, he was cooperating and he wasn't actively like telling people that he's cooperating. But people knew he was cooperating. Like it was kind of known. So he and I started hanging out. And, you know, and I hate to say this, but I like, I liked Wilson. You know, he was super arrogant. He reminds. He me of my father and so I started hanging out with him and uh you know look when I say

arrogant like arrogant people like arrogant people but and he he was a storyteller he would tell stories and we would walk around every once in a while and hang out and no big deal and I remember we're walking around and and I I just you know he I had met him and then I went to prison I went off came back and he knew I got my sentence cut like everybody knew my sentence had been cut They knew I had gone back to court and got my sentence cut. So he actively would tell me how he was working with the Secret Service in South Carolina to help them indict several people that had been helping him. So he was actively cooperating.

His fear was that they wouldn't reduce his sentence. And he kept saying to me like, yeah, they're going to fuck me out of my sentence reduction. And I was always like, why do you say that? And so he was like, oh, they just are. They hate me. That secret service agent, his name was, I remember his last name was Griffin. He was, ah, that Griffin hates my gut. That agent Griffin, he hates my guts.

And I was like, okay, well, that doesn't really matter. Like, he can hate your guts. But if you give them information that leads to an arrest, they have to reduce your sentence. And if they don't reduce it, I was like, fuck, we'll have Frank file a 22. 55 like he'll get a we'll get you the reduction because if you if you provide information that leads to an arrest like there's almost a guarantee well not guaranteed but there's probably a 90% chance they're going to reduce your sentence and and so he just kind of would shrug it off right he was always like and i was like why do you think i remember one time i said why do you think that they're

not going to reduce your sentence and he said now they think i've hidden Ponzi scheme money like i told him. I turned over all the money. He actually dug up like six or seven million dollars worth of silver and cash and brought it into the South Carolina and gave it to him. And I was like, are you serious? And he goes, yeah, I gave them, but they think there's still money out there. And I was like, well, why would you give him, you know, so why would you provide, give them seven million dollars? Like, why wouldn't you just say, look, I'm coming in, turn myself in because the money's gone. Like, if you've already laundered that much money, why would you then turn it in. Why would you just say, bro, I'm only, I'm turning myself in because the money's gone.

Like, I've literally got maybe $150,000 and I got some money in my checking account and my some savings. Like, I don't have anything. That's why I'm turning myself in. But he didn't. He came in and said, look, this whole thing's unraveling. I know you're about to figure it all out and you're going to arrest me. So I'm coming in. And by the way, here's what I have left. Like, that to me was just stupid. But it also made sense that maybe, you know, that maybe he had given them all the money. So anyway, he was insisting that they didn't believe him. And I was like, okay, well, you did give him all the money.

So don't worry about it. It's going to, it'll work out. Plus, of course, he was going to go back to court and have to testify at trial. So you're going to go back to court and testify. Like, it's very difficult for them to not give you a reduction. If you provided them information, people were indicted, they then go to trial. and these good people were going to trial and then you go and testify so you testify and then the government then for the government to then turn around and say we're not going to reduce your

sentence like that's not that's not even possible like there's no court that would uphold that like what's your reason for not giving me a reduction you have to have a reason a good valid reason anyway the point is he insisted about on this so we're we're walking around and we're walking around and one day he brings it up again well you know they indicted those guys they're going to trial and uh you know i just know that they're going to have me come up there and you know whatever you know testify and they're not going to give me nothing though and i was like i said bro why do you keep saying that like i said i mean you know what do you and i said why do you keep saying that and he looked at me and he goes can i trust you

And I said, probably not. And he kind of chuckled. And he said, I did hide some money. And I think they're going to find out about it. And I went, really? Why do you, what do you mean? I thought you gave him all the money. And he's like, I gave him a lot of the money.

But I did give a little bit of money to my brother. And my, his soon-to-be ex-wife, he gave like, $150,000, I think he told me. He said, I don't remember what it was, $130, $150. I forget. I don't know what she took or what I gave her. He said, and my brother's got a little bit of money, maybe $20,000, $30,000. Like, not a lot.

I was like, oh, okay. I said, well, look, they're not going to find out about that, so don't worry about it. And he goes, no, you don't understand. Like his wife, who was divorced, they were getting a divorce. his wife had found out that he was having an affair with one of the financial examiners. I'm sorry, advisors. He was working with a woman who was a financial advisor and he was having an affair with her. His wife, during this whole process, when this whole thing fell apart and he gets indicted and he's thrown in jail and everything,

she finds out that he's having this affair. I think she found out during the course of this thing. and then so but she was she was furious about it and she's not talking to him he's not talking to her he wants to get a divorce she wants to get a divorce and in the process he's he was his fear was he's thinking he's going to get five or ten years knocked off of his sentence but he knows that if his wife could screw him out of it she would

so he's like she's going to she's going my fear is she's going to turn in the money and say he gave this to me, and that's going to ruin my chance to get a sentence reduction. And I was like, okay, well, she's not going to do that because they've already asked her if you have any money. And she said, no. He never gave me anything. She'd already told him this. I said, so she would be admitting to obstruction of justice. She's not going to do that.

And he was like, I don't know. And so we're, whatever, we're walking around. And I remember thinking when he told me this. one of my first thoughts probably my first thought was is that enough to get me a reduction like him telling me that if i were to tell the secret service of the government if i were to tell them would they give me a reduction for saying hey you think that he's got Ponzi scheme money he really does and then if they find the money um would they give me a reduction I remember thinking, they're not going to reduce my sentence for that.

Like, they didn't want to reduce my sentence the first time. They all, and I got seven years off the first time. So they already think I got seven years that I don't deserve. So they're certainly not going to give me a sentence reduction for Ron Wilson. And I thought they're never going to reindite him for this. Let's say I were to, I mean, immediately I started thinking if I said something and they went to his wife, His wife's going to deny it. I don't have any money.

That's it. It's over. They go to his brother. His brother's going to be like, I don't have any money. That's it. Like there's not much they can do to prove this. What's going on YouTube? Ardap Dan here, Federal Prison Time Consulting.

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And the only way you're going to find out more is by clicking on the link, booking your free consultation today. All right, guys. See you soon at the end of the video. Peace. I'm out of here. Back to you, Matt. They would then have to show his wife and his brother, Wilson, told us about this.

And even then, I think. that they most likely would still say, I don't know what you're talking about. Because they'd be admitting to some type of a crime. Like, you'd have to find the money. How are we going to find the money? Like, they don't even know, I mean, $30,000. Like, I just remember thinking, one, they're not going to indict these people.

Two, they're not going to indict Wilson. Because he's already got 19 and a half years. He's going to die in prison. He's like 64, 63. I forget how old he was. But he just started his sentence. Like, he's not getting out. they're not going to give him more

how much more time are they going to give him he's never going to make it anyway so I remember when he said that it kind of went through my mind and I thought eh no reason to say something like there's no reason for me to say anything and so I went to bed that night

thought about it a little bit and that eh it's nothing a week went by two weeks went by three weeks went by four weeks from so about a month later afterwards i had been waiting for my lawyer to send me my transcripts because i'd written a memoir but i hadn't published the memoir i had a a manuscript and i wanted to add because you got i think my memoir leads with me getting 26 years and going to

prison like that's it so i thought hey i want to add a chapter about me getting seven years knocked off my sentence so i want but i want to do include some of the transcripts you know some of the some of the stuff that was said and i so i wanted to get the be able to use the transcript so i my lawyer said she'd send them to me well it'd been at this point it'd be been two three months right a month but it also only been a month since i talked to wilson so i call my lawyer at the time and I said, hey, listen, did you ever get the transcription? She goes, oh, Matt, I'm so sorry. I was going to get those.

I'll get them. I'm sorry. And I'll take care of it. Okay, okay, cool. And I remember I was about to hang out the phone. And she goes, so what's going on? I go, what do you mean? She said, anything happening in there?

And I remember thinking, that's weird. It's weird that she would say that. Like, she never wanted to talk to me before. She's certainly, she's not even my lawyer anymore. like what do you want to talk to me now for when the case was happening you didn't want to talk to me so i went um no nothing's happening she says are you sure she's nothing nothing going on i went i said you know what something did happen the other day listen to this and i tell her about wilson and she was hold on a second and she looks him up on the computer and she comes back she goes oh wow

this is a bad guy i just remember thinking because you know i knew what he'd done but i didn't think of him as a bad guy. He was gruff. He was abrasive. My mom would have described him as abrasive. She always described my dad as having an abrasive personality. He was abrasive, but I didn't think he was like a bad person. Of course, he didn't steal any money from me. So no big deal. I sat there. I was like, okay. And she goes, oh, wow. She says, you know what? Let me make some phone calls. And I was kind of like, all right. I mean, yeah, but I don't think they're going to do anything for me. And she says, well, let me make some calls. I said, all right. I don't think anything else about it.

A week later, one of the correctional officers comes up to me, and he says, hey, Cox. And I go, yeah, what's up? He goes, you got to go to SIS. SIS is like their internal security for the prison. I went, okay, you said, next move. So they have controlled moves where they open the doors and let you go to someplace else, and then they lock them again. They give you like 10 minutes to get somewhere.

So I was like, okay. And he said, all right. And so 10 minutes later, 20 minutes later, the door is open. I go to SIS. I knock on the door. They open it. go come in here and I said okay what's up and they go sit down the lieutenant asked me to sit down this guy was such a prick uh he goes sit down I walk in I'm like yeah what's up and I'm thinking oh

fuck I'm in trouble what did I do and he goes hold on a second he picks up the phone and starts calling and I remember just thinking he's making a phone call and he's like right yeah I got him right here okay here hold on boom he goes you got to talk to this guy I go hello and the guy says it's a secret service agent he goes this is a secret service agent uh uh uh uh Griffin? Is Scott Griffin? I forget his name. First name. This is Secret Service Agent Griffin and I was like, whoa. I was like, hey, what's going on? He said, I understand you know where Ron Wilson has

hidden money, Ponzi scheme money? And I went, um, I do. I said, it's not a lot of money. He said, well, how much? He said, well, where is it? And I went, well, wait a second, bro. I said, the government's already tried to fuck me out of one reduction. So I said, I'm going to need something in writing so he goes uh okay he said listen he goes uh take my take my email address down so i write down his email address and he says put me on your core links and i'll get back with you i'll get you something in writing i go okay so anyway this takes another week or two for him to get something in writing and basically what he gets in writing is it says it says that the the the The U.S. attorney agrees that if I provide them information that leads to the either

the indictment or to an indictment or the recovery of a substantial amount of money, they will consider it substantial assistance. Now, they're not going to promise you anything. they said they'll consider it substantial assistance and reduce my sentence it was the best i was going to get so i i anyway i end up emailing him back and i go okay that's cool and i remember i printed that thing off like five times stuck it in like four different places so nobody i would never lose it so uh so this is a letter from the secret service which has copied me on a letter from the u.s. attorney's office like that's as good

as you're going to get. Anyway, what ends up happening is they say, look, we want to know what's going on. I said, okay, here's what I know. And I told them what I know. What he told me? This is what he told me. I said, but it's not millions of dollars. It's like 150.

It's under $200,000. Like, it's like $180,000 at most. Maybe $150. And I said, most likely these people are going to just deny they have it. So I don't know what to tell you. And they were like, well, we have some questions. and then they started asking me questions about Wilson. Like, can you find out this?

Can you find out this? So now I'm walking around the compound with this guy, probing him with questions. Now, it's not hard because he's a talker. He likes to talk, tell stories. And I would just ask him about this or ask him about that and then sit back and wait. Sometimes you sit back and wait

and you walk around the track for 45 minutes or an hour. And he never broaches the subject. He never gets to what I wanted to know. Sometimes I'd say, hey, whatever happened with you told me about this person so-and-so? Like, what happened? They get arrested? He'd go, no, I told you they didn't get arrested. Look, all that guy ever did was, and then he'd tell me everything he did.

And then I'd go back and say, this is what he said he did. Like, that doesn't sound like, you know, you guys are asking this, and this is what he's telling me. And then they would come back and say, do you feel like he's lying to you? And I'd say, no, I don't think he's lying to me. He's already here. He's locked up. He knows that this government doesn't want to give me anything. So there's no benefit for me to cooperate. He doesn't believe so. I didn't even believe there was a benefit to cooperate. Like, I don't think they're going to indict this guy. He's going to die in prison. And I don't think that his wife has given up any money or his brother. Plus, they don't have any money. Like, you understand? The letter was written in a way that easily allowed the government to say, well, yeah, we collected $200,000, but we don't consider that. substantial. We don't consider that a substantial amount of money. And we're not going to indict anyone. So those two things right there, like either one, I don't get a reduction. Anyway, so I walk around with him. This goes on for, I swear, three to six months,

back and forth, back and forth. Well, they eventually call in Wilson's wife. She goes in and they ask her, do you have any money? We have reason to believe that he gave you money. She says, no. He never gave me any money. I don't know what you're talking about. I would give you the money. Okay, she leaves. The next day, the wife shows up. Now, keep in mind, the brother, they called the brother and asked the brother to come in. He's supposed to show up at, let's say, four o'clock with his lawyer. Like at, let's say, 10 o'clock in the morning, the wife shows up. walks in with a big

ammunition can remember the the ammunition tens that he had had buried walks in with one puts it on the table it's got a hundred and fifty

no wait it has like 300,000 in cash plus a bunch of silver and gold bullions is that wrong was it

the combination no no yeah it was like 300 it was 350 thousand in cash and bullion so i don't know if the cash was maybe 200,000 in cash plus a bunch of gold bullion so she brings in about 350,000 later that day his brother comes in he walks in with 150,000 in cash and boom throws it on the table want to let you know this is what he gave he gave me this money and i've been the guilt's been eating me alive and so he before they even ask him he just knows it's coming so he just brings it with his lawyer well um they end up i remember what let me so i remember well this all this happened right and i'm emailing the secret service agent i'm like hey what happened they're like we don't we can't tell you what happened but they did come in and i promised you it's basically

basically he says it's going to be devastating to Wilson and I was like oh wow they must have shown up with the 150 200,000 in cash I didn't know it was half a million dollars so what happens is I'm walking around so one day I'm out walking and I see Wilson hey Cox Cox and I remember thinking oh shit this old man's like he might he I hope my name didn't come up. So he had talked to his lawyer. I knew he was trying to call his lawyer. He'd got an email from his lawyer saying, call me tomorrow or something. And he'd called him several times, but he wasn't picking up. So when he's like, cock's cock, cock. And I look over, I'm like, oh, fuck. I hope this old man's not going to come up to me. You motherfucker, you know, something. Like, I don't know what's

going to happen. And so he comes, walks up, I go, I go, yeah, what's up? And he said, You're not going to believe this. He said, my wife, is soon to be ex-wife. He goes, my wife walked in, she turned in $350,000. And my brother came and gave him the $150,000. And I go, $150? I thought you said he had $20,000 or $30,000. And he goes, I know.

I didn't think I could trust you. So I didn't tell you how much it was. And I was like, oh, okay. Your wife had how much? I go, man, that's half a million dollars, bro. And he was like, I know. I know. He said, they're going to indict me. They're going to indict me. I said, they're not going to indict you. It's probably just, they gave them the money back. Probably nothing will happen.

He said, I don't know. I don't know. Listen, probably a few weeks go by. And he calls his lawyer, and his lawyer says, boom, they indicted you. They indicted him and they indicted the wife and the brother. And so maybe a week later, he's on the packout list. to me moved. Then I remember he came to me and he said they indicted me I went no

now keep in mind I'd already heard this from the Secret Service Secret Service had already told me hey we indicted him and his wife and his brother so he comes to me

one day and it's funny too because it wasn't like the same day like if it was a few days later he comes to me so I know that I'm walking around

for two days like when's this motherfucker gonna come talk to me about this I'd see him I'd say hey man how's it going he's like oh it's fine

how's it how's it going like yeah comes to me one day and he goes, and I go, yeah, what's up? He goes,

you're not going to believe this. I said what? He said, they indicted me. I went, oh my, are you serious? Man,

I really didn't think they were going to indict you. And he's like, yeah, and they indicted my wife and my brother. And I was like, fuck.

He goes, yeah, I'm done. I'm done. I was like, fuck. And so we're walking around. He goes, what do you think I should do?

And I go, you should go to trial. Because I thought, if he went to trial they'd call me to testify at his trial and then they'd have to give me a reduction so I'm like how horrible is that right like I'm like because think about if you go to trial there's no way they're not going to give you a reduction so I'm like yeah you need to go to trial bro you need to go to try fuck these guys don't you take any shit you make them spend some money on you I mean what do you care and he's like yeah yeah I don't know I think maybe

I should just go in and just plead guilty and just take whatever they get, throw myself on the mercy on the court. And I'm like, man, fuck those motherfuckers. They gave you 19 and a half years. He's like, I don't know, I don't know. So yeah, whatever, a couple days later, a week later, I forget maybe a few days later, he ends up on the pot on what's called the packout list, which is your, like, it's like pack out your stuff, you know, and show up at R&D, which basically means it's a transfer list. Like you're going to be, you're moving. They're bringing you back to court. So he packs his stuff up.

They grab him and they move him to South Carolina. I remember before he was leaving, he was like, I don't know how long I'll be there, but I'll see when I get back. And I remember thinking, you're never coming back here. Like he can't. Like, because I knew when he got back to court, he would get his discovery, which is all of the documents in your case. Like, this is what we have against you.

And I knew he was going to see that I was a person that. gave them the information to indict him. So when he's leaving, he's like, well, hey, I'll be back in a few months, three, six months. I'll be back. I'll see you when I get back. And I was like, yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

But I'm thinking, yeah, I'm never seeing you again, bro. Like, you're not coming back from South Carolina, not here because I'm here. They're going to put a, what's called a management variable on you. It's like a separation agreement. Like these two guys cannot be at the same prison. So he gets moved. He gets, he's obviously. been re-indicted, he gets sentenced. Once he's sentenced, he gets sentenced and I'm waiting.

You know, I'm, I'm waiting. This funny thing is, by this point, there's actually a newspaper article that says that Wilson had confessed to hiding Ponzi scheme money to a fellow inmate. Now, they didn't mention my name but that article starts going around the other thing around the compound the people were like

can you believe that I'm like that's fucked up who would do that that's just wrong anyway the other thing Wilson did was he got the discovery and realized it was me

of course you know and sent a letter back to his old sely who's a guy that we called I think they called him Randy Savage because he had a big, he had white hair.

He looked like Randy Savage. Anyway, which is an old school wrestler. So I forget, I think that's the name they called him. So I remember people started coming up to me. Some guy came up to me and said, yo, bro. And I was like, what's up? They said, what's up with Wilson? I was like, what do you mean?

He got indicted. They were like, yeah, but, you know, he wrote a letter back to his old sely. he said that you fucking cooperated against him. I was like, are you serious? I was like, boy, that's fucked up. And they're like, is it true? And I'm like, of course it's not true. And they would just look at me, but you know that I'm sitting there like,

no, it's not true. Like, you know, go fuck yourself. Like, we're not having this conversation. Because you're just, these guys are all gossipers. They just want to get some information and then take off and go tell everybody. Like, you know, hey, bro, you can trust me. Stop with that shit. So.

I'm this this happened like maybe two people have said something to me but keep in mind too there's only a small group of guys like you click up so you have a small click anyway I remember being at commissary one day and now a guy comes up to me and tells me hey Cox and I said yeah what's up and he goes his name was Marty Marty comes up he goes Cox he says listen first of all I'd like to let you know I don't give a shit I don't care what you did. I'm just curious. And he goes,

Wilson, I know Wilson was cooperating against his co-defendants. Wilson would have cut your throat. I don't care. Fuck him. He said, but he wrote a letter back

to his old sally that says that you cooperated against him. I'm just curious if you did it. And I went, what are you talking about? That's crazy. So I was like,

no. I was like, where is his old sally? Anyway. So, and he's like, oh, he's over there or whatever.

So I end up going to his old Selly and I walk up to him and I go, hey, what's going on? You know, Rick or whatever his name, what they call him? And he's like, yeah, what's up? He's, oh, hey, Matt, what's going on? Like, it was real, oh, hey, hey, Matt, what's going on? I said, yeah, how's it going? He's, oh, it's going good. It's going good.

Now, keep in mind, this guy's wife had moved, like, across the country and bought a house, like, next to the prison so she could keep visiting him. And he's like in his 60s. And he's getting out and like, he's still got like four or five years, something like that. So I walk up to him. I said, oh, how's it going? How's it going? How's it going?

And he's, oh, it's going good. It's going good. I said, oh, okay. I said, listen, bro. I said, if one more person comes up and tells me that you've been showing this letter that Wilson mailed back, mailed to you, I said, I'm going to go in to the lieutenant's office and I'm going to explain that you're showing this fucking letter. trying to get me fucked up.

I guess you're trying to get me stabbed or beat up or something. I don't know. And the look on his face was like, holy shit. And I said, here's what I do know, is that they're not going to transfer me from this prison. Because I have a management variable on me. I can't be transferred. Now, that's not true. But I know he already thinks the worst of me.

And I told him, I said, I'm actively working with the FBI on a case. I said, you know I worked on the case on Wilson. So they're not transferring me from this facility. I said, so when I go and I tell them that you've got this letter and you're showing people, I said, they're going to fucking transfer you to FDIC Baghdad. I said, and I know you're never going to see your fucking wife again. I said, one more fucking person. And he looked at me, I said, are we good?

He's like, we're good. Nobody else is going to see that letter. We're good. I said, okay. And I turned around and walked off. so with that said Wilson was indicted he was resentenced and he was when he was resentenced he was sentenced to six more months of prison so his 19 and a half year sentence went to 20 six months his wife and brother ended up getting community service

I think his wife because she had lied to the FBI they were both charged with obstruction of justice. I think his wife got like a year. I think his brother got like 50 hours of community service or 100 hours of community service and that was it. Like nothing. Like they're not even felons. And I remember thinking, fuck.

Like they're not even going to like I'm not getting a reduction because nobody got any more prison time. Really, except for Wilson. and I was like damn and I was right because what happened was three months went by nothing four months went by nothing my lawyer is calling the U.S. attorney they're not answering her calls so I go to Frank and I explain this whole thing to Frank I said Frank bro this is what happened and keep in mind Frank knew the whole time I was cooperating and Frank was like document this print the email out print this out document this write down a log tell them what

you said tell them this tell them that do this do that and i was like okay okay okay so i'm doing everything frank says to document everything frank's like do you have all the documents and i go yeah i got everything he said okay we're gonna we're gonna i'll get you we'll get you the time off i was like okay frank files a 2255 it goes up to the goes up to the court says hey i did this i did this i did this i've been working with the government the government promised me this they promised me that and the government comes back and says that's absolutely untrue. We don't even know what Mr. Cox is talking about.

We will look into it, but you're on at this point, Mr. Cox is time barred. And as I mentioned in the other video, you only have one year from being sentenced. From your original sentence, you have one year to file a 2255 or you're what's called time barred,

which means you can't file anything else. Your sentence is permanent. Now, there are ways, to get around it and Frank's way of getting around it was saying that the government asked me to do something that helped reduce my sentence and as a result of that it reset the time bar so now that typically doesn't work but it had also been a year since I had been resentenced so he also used that hey this guy was resentenced

so the time bar was reset second thing was he was approached by the government and asked to cooperate and told he would be getting a reduction anyway the government came back and said we don't know anything about this and that doesn't matter anyway he's time barred

so they're now denying that they've had any kind of agreement with me so what we do is we of course file the letter we file a rebuttal to their motion, or to their reply, we follow rebuttal, and I, no, no, and we explain the whole thing, and then I end up sending, we end up sending that, I want to say we, and I could be wrong, I think we either included it in the motion, or we sent it to the judge.

The judge turned around and the judge came back and said, I'm denying your motion, but I'm, there's something called that you have to get a certificate of eligibility meaning you're certified to appeal the judge's decision judges hate that like if a judge says this is way it is and then you appeal it that your your appeal your judge is pissed like you should have just accepted my decision so that you have to get a judge a um you have to get this um this certificate of appealability by another judge by like a magistrate judge has to say yeah he can he can appeal this well and by the way there's like a five hundred dollar fee which i don't have so my judge says he says i'm denying it because he said i don't have the right to make this decision like i don't

have jurisdiction he goes but i'm going to waive the five hundred dollar fee and i'm waiving of getting a certificate of eligibility, and I'm basically fast-tracking this to the appellate court and asking them to make the decision. Now, here's the thing. There's subtleties in the law and the way judges do things. That was all but saying to the prosecution, I believe this man that Mr. this inmate or defendant deserves to get a reduction

but I don't have the authority to do it now you have to go to that I have to go to that my judge anyway to be denied to go to the appellate court and I felt he did have jurisdiction but if he agrees you're right I don't have jurisdiction because that was part of the government's argument you don't have jurisdiction

this is this that it's very clear in the district the federal district that I'm in it's very clear that a judge doesn't have the right to reduce your sentence, that only the government can file a motion. The judge can't really force them to do it. Now, it's questionable, but the government said it's clear. And the judge obviously didn't want to make that decision and have to go through that

whole thing. So what he did was he said, I'm going to let the appellate court make the decision. But by waiving the $500, waiving the certificate of eligibility, he was saying, if I could make this decision. I would. Like, one, I think I would like to, but I can't. And two, I think he deserves something. He's already saying, I think he deserves something, because he's saying, let the

appellate court say it. I can't say it, but let the appellate court say it. And he's fast-tracking me to get that answer. So that's all but saying to the government, I believe this guy's right. So the government comes in immediately and says, and files a sentence reduction. They file what's called a Rule 35. immediately they filed rule 35 and I remember we got it on like

like a Wednesday or something so we get it on a Wednesday they filed it on a Monday we get it on Wednesday so what they said to the judge is we're filing a one level reduction and that one level reduction would have reduced my sentence by something like

I don't know the exact amount but I think it was like 15 months so it would have been like a little over a year maybe it was 14 months like it was barely a year off my sentence and I brought it to Frank and I was like fuck they filed it

because our whole argument was we're making you file it but we can't make them give us a a certain reduction we can argue but not if it's already ruled on if the judge already rules on it then it's too late for me to argue I need more so

what happens is I go and I bring it to Frank and I go fuck they already they already filed it and Frank goes all right hold on a second get John get Jimmy and Tom

and like he immediately starts barking orders like a little general and so these guys show up and he sits there on a piece of paper and scribbles out a motion it scribbles out like a one page motion asking the court

to not rule on the sentence reduction that I'm asking for my right. My right is to provide evidence of what the reduction should be, but after the fact, I can't do anything. So he asked for the court to immediately cease all activity, I forget what they call it, and ask the court to order an evidentiary hearing so that I'm not. can provide evidence in front of the court so that they can make an informed decision on how much of a reduction I should get. So we send that motion in.

They get it by Friday. So the judge hasn't ruled. I remember being terrified the judge had already ruled. I felt like the judge was going to get it and sign off on it. Like my judge typically, he's efficient, unfortunately. He doesn't wait. Things don't sit on his death for two years. Like this guy gets a motion, they read it, and they make a decision within days.

well what happens is they get it on Friday so they put the motion in on Monday they get our response on Friday and the judge immediately says I'm ceasing all all activity and I'm asking for the I'm appointing an attorney

so he gave me an attorney and ceases all activity including my appeal by the way at this point I've appealed I'm filing an appeal So the government gives me a lawyer The lawyer, which was in Atlanta I was in just outside of I was in Coleman

Which is a mile north of Tampa She gets on a plane She flies down to She flies down to Coleman She comes and meets me Her name was Leanne Something Anyway, so I meet with Leanne, and I remember I go into Leanne, and I said, you know, I talked to her.

And it was almost a replay of the exact conversation I had had with Esther Panich, which was my other lawyer. She came. She sat down in the attorney-client visitation room. We sit down. She says, listen, I read your motion. She said, it was very well written. She said, I don't think legally it's appealable. and I don't think that you're going to win it.

So I think you should take the government's, the one point the government is offering. And I said, well, I don't want the one point. I want to provide evidence that I deserve four points off. No, I said five points. I deserve five levels. I go, I deserve five levels off. And she said, they're never going to give you five levels off.

I said, well, I want five. And she said, I said, I'll take, like, I remember, said, I go, Frank said to tell you that I will take four levels, but we need to argue for five. And she goes, who's Frank? And I go, Frank's the guy that wrote all my motions for me. She said, you didn't do this? I said, no, no, I didn't write any of this. I said, Frank wrote all these motions. And she goes, okay, who's Frank?

And I go, well, Frank's a disbarred attorney who's mentally incompetent, like the state of Florida has legally deemed him mentally incompetent. And he's locked up here. I said he's a rapid cycling bipolar with features of schizophrenia that is here because he embezzled like $200 million from the federal government. And she sat there and she goes, he embezzled that much money. And I went, yeah, I said he, I said, but he had a reason. She goes, what's that? I said, well, he's planning on taking over the world. He was using the money to take over the world.

And she goes, are you serious? I said, I'm absolutely serious. She goes, that's crazy. I said, he's absolutely insane. I said, but he got me this far. And she went, you don't have a chance. If you go forward, you don't have a chance of winning. And I went, really?

And she goes, yeah, I said, then why are you here? And she goes, what do you mean? And I said, well, why are you here? I said, if the government could so easily crush me, why haven't they crushed me? You're here because the government is negotiating with me. They've already filed the reduction. We're now just arguing over how much of a reduction. So I've already won.

It's to the degree that I've won that is now up for discussion. They wouldn't have given me the one level if they could have won so easily. And she was like, okay, and you're taking the advice of a guy who is, she said, crazy. And I went, yeah, absolutely. I said, but all the lawyers on the street that I spoke with told me I couldn't get this far. I go, this is the second reduction that this guy's won. Let me tell you the odds.

and I know I said it in the other video, but it's worth saying again. For every 3,5225s that are filed by inmates, one receives a reduction. One receives, not like a sentence, but they call movement or, you know, that something happens. 3500 of these are filed that are denied. denied. They get no, they get nothing at all. And that one doesn't necessarily get a sentence

reduced. That one 3,500, they may get some kind of a reduction in their sentence. They may simply, maybe they get, get, um, let out of prison. Or maybe they simply get their case heard and their sentence is simply reinstated. They get nothing. But they would say that that's movement. Like I got something. I got movement in the court. There was a something happened.

May not have been the result you wanted. That's 3,500. So my chances of getting a sentence reduction on my first one was 3,500. My sentence, my chances of getting a reduction on my second one is 3,500. This guy's now gotten me two reductions. Now we're just arguing over how much. So I tell her, look, Frank said I will not accept less than four levels. But let's ask for five.

She just shakes her head. She's like, that's insane. She's like, but okay. She goes back to Atlanta. Goes back to Atlanta. Files a motion saying, or no, I'm sorry, she just goes and she meets with the U.S. attorney. U.S. attorney says absolutely not. she says

we'll give him two levels off that's it that's the most he's going to get is two levels off and I said she calls me so she tells me a call she said look the most you're going to do is two levels off

she was Matt that's 23 it was like I forget what that was it was like 28 28 months off that's 28 months off like you should be happy like I'm like happy no absolutely not

listen I'm so scared at this point my harsh racing like i'm terrified i'm ready to take anything at this point i'm terrified and this is this has now been like a year and change that we've been going back and forth we argue we go back forth back forth and i keep asking for the the letter the sent that so keep in mind the secret service filed what's called a that they requested they requested the u.s attorney reduced my sentence and i kept asking for a copy of the request for that letter i even filed a a freedom of Information Act requesting that letter. The government kept saying that, like,

firstly, they basically were saying we don't have it. There was no request. But I know there was a request because I know the Secret Service told me they made the request. So I know they're lying. And listen, so anybody that thinks, oh, the government wouldn't lie. You're fucking insane. These people lie all the time, especially to inmates.

And also, they lie to the court. They lie to the court all the time, which is ridiculous because you should have to go to prison. If a defense attorney lies to the court, they can get disbarred and go to the prison. If you work for the government and you lie to the courts, they don't do nothing to you, nothing. Those people regularly lie. And so they lied and said, we don't even have, we don't have, we don't know what you're talking about. So I filed the Freedom of Information Act.

So we're going back and forth, back and finally, finally, when they realized that they were going to give me, the Freedom of Information Act people were going to give me the reduction. The government comes forward and says, fine, here's what it is. Here's what they filed and they give it to us. Shows 500,000. Listen, the Secret Service agent, Agent Griffin, I was almost embarrassed at the glowing recommendation that he gave me for a sentence reduction. Like, I provided a massive amount of information.

I helped clean up this and clear up this and move the forward, the whole case forward and that they had nothing on this guy prior to talking to me I provided over 100 emails back and forth I mean he goes on and on and on they would have never recovered this money I mean it just goes on

and they're absolutely like three four pages so when we get that finally the government comes back and they said three levels or we're going to go we'll take them to court we can go to court and let him present his evidence So I call up, I'm talking to Leanne, my lawyer, and she goes, okay, look, here's what they said. They said three levels, that's the most they'll give you, is three levels off.

That's it. And I said, she said, so I'm going to go ahead and put in the motion to have the evidentiary hearing. And I went, no, no, no, no, no, I'll take it. She's, what do you mean you'll take it? she said Frank said not to accept less than four levels

and I went no no no you don't understand I said Frank told me to tell you that we wouldn't accept less than four levels I said

we were always going to be okay with accepting three levels I only wanted three I said three's great we'll take three and she was like I said no Frank just felt like if he needed you to fight for four and he knew we'd end up at three.

That's why we originally asked for five to give him something. So they feel like they've got a win at three. The truth is, we always won at three. She's like, um, okay, all right, well, I'll file, I'll call him right now. She called him and I said, oh, and by the way, I don't want to go back to court. Like, I don't want to go back to court. We just have to agree on the language of the, of the, of the rule 35 motion. Like, I don't want to have to go to court, bro.

They put you in a fucking van. I mean, they move you in a bus. They have to drive you all the way up to Atlanta. You're in shackles the whole time. You're trying to eat a sandwich with shackles on. You're sitting next to some guy who's killed 16 people. He's being moved to a pin. You know, it's horribly depressing and uncomfortable.

It's an eight-hour drive in that bus. They have to stop here and stop here and stop here. And it's ridiculous. You know, so I was desperate enough to be. moved again. Then you could be up there for two months. You could be stuck in the hole in a hole up there in Atlanta in the Atlanta prison. You could be stuck in what they call the holdover for months waiting to get go to court, get sentence and then go back. Like it's hell, bro. They got a little mice. You know, everybody says, oh, they got rats. They're actually a little mice. They're kind of cute. But you don't want them living in your cell with you. Like they're running around. It's fucking horrible. There's roaches. It's disgusting. And just boring. as hell because you don't leave you leave your cell like it's you leave they let you out like I think it's three days a week for an hour so you get out and it's like I can take a shower or I can use the phone because you only have an hour and you're standing in line for everything

so you're talking about the letting out 150 guys and there's like six showers how do you take a shower like you're even half the guys are waiting to take a shower that's 75 guys waiting to take a shower so I mean it's just a horrible situation anyway I didn't want to do that so she argued with them and they were like yeah we don't care if he goes back we don't want to see this guy so we go back and forth it still took another three months going back and forth back and forth till we finally agreed on the language of the rule 35 so finally we send it to the judge the judge signs off on it and and that ended up being three what did I say three no no I'm sorry no it was three levels off but it was five years so remember i was saying the first level was like 14 then it was like 14 the next level was whatever it's like 30 months off or something the next level was like 50 something it was like five years off my sentence i forget the exactly how it but it ended up being like like five years off my sentence and i i know i got some of the the level the math

wrong on the months there but it's you know what i'm saying it ended up being five five years off my sentence. So Frank had already reduced my sentence by seven years, and then he got me another five years off my sentence. The government fought the whole way. Now, the reason that the government didn't want to allow me to go to the appellate court is because had I won that motion, it would have been precedence, which means that other people, when they went to the computer, and they said, man, the government was supposed to reduce my sentence and they didn't do it. And they went on the legal computer and looked it up and they looked

up, you know, sentence reductions. And basically, can you make the government give you a sentence reduction? My case would have come up. And it would have said that an inmate had been promised a reduction. The government denied it.

And he then filed a rule 35, I'm sorry, a 2255 and forced the government to reduce his sentence. like the court agreed that he that they that the government had the right to to compel the government to file a reduction so far in the district which i mean i think it's the i'm in the 11th district so far in like the 11th district you cannot make them do it so they don't want that to become precedent anyway i end up getting my reduction five years off my

my sentence. Of course, I go to Frank. He's thrilled. You know, he's doing his little chuckle. He's got a little chuckle. He does. I told you. And then I remember he said, how much time do you have left? I was like, bro, I'm going to be, I'll be in half a house in like a year. And he went, huh, not enough time to get any more time. We don't have, we don't have time to get anything else off. This is like, are you serious? like you know he's yeah it's just not enough time and i was like yeah yeah i'm good frank um like this this guy anyway so yeah that's how frank amadeo got 12 years knocked off my sentence you know and you can say oh well you cooperated and that's how you got the time off no no no i may have

given him, you know, the, you know, the argue, I may have given him the, what to argue, like the conveyance or the, the vehicle to use. But, you know, he, without him, I'd still be in prison right now. My sentence, my release date with good time, was 2030. Without good time, my release date would have been 2035. Bro. Like, I'm supposed to be in prison right now. And had Frank, I'm not been lucky enough to be in the same prison as Frank Amadeo. I would be in prison right now.

Like, there's not, you can't even, I can't even sit here and say, I'd have figured something. No, you wouldn't have figured anything out. he was my last resort in that prison he should have been my first choice and he was my last resort now listen after the first reduction he was the go-to person like for me he was you know

absolutely let's go see what Frank says but that's so that's my second reduction that Frank won for me and I appreciate you guys checking out the video if you like the video

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