Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Aftermath of Murder Scenes | Laura Spaulding

Episode Date: September 14, 2024

The Aftermath of Murder Scenes | Laura Spaulding

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and I'm doing a It's not a true crime thing. It's kind of a true crime podcast or an interview with Laura Spalding and she runs a She runs a Spalding Decom. Decon.

Decon. Decon and it's a crime scene Cleanup. Yeah. Crime scene cleanup. But she's got a super interesting story, and so we're here, and I'm going to be interviewing her today. Well, you were born. Were you born in Kansas City?

Did you say Kansas? Yeah, ironically. Okay. Yeah. So where were you? I'm 49, so born in Kansas City and then moved around every couple years. Right. Dad worked for the feds.

Okay. What do you do for the Fed? D.A. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, D.EA. And moved around all the time, went to college at Tennessee, University of Tennessee. Okay.

first place that hired me took me back to Kansas City so work there in law enforcement okay what'd you do and so you know started out of patrol and stuff and then 18 months into it I went undercover and worked in narcotics well can I ask why why did you want to go into law enforcement just because of your dad like is that something you always wanted to do or do you get to that point where it's like I don't know what I'm going to do you know I think it was something that I viewed as fun, you know, different every day, exciting, no monotony. I'm not a sit-in-a-desk cubicle person. Right.

And I thought, you know, that it would be a good time and it's very diverse, right? So if you don't like narcotics, you can work in homicide or you can work in robbery. So there's a lot of potential there. Not financially, any potential at all, but so kind of that's how I did it. So I was the first woman there in the unit to be in undercover narcotics. And it was eye-opening, to say the least, street-level. We're talking street-level type narcotics. Yep, buying, not buying, you know, 5, 10 pounds.

We're buying street-level crack, methamphetamine, weed at the time. Not much weed, mostly crack and methamphetamine. But you didn't have like any, other than being a foot. officer like you didn't have any real experience or anything like that like you grew up what like normal police like like middle class like just normal middle class suburbia not exposed to that at all so it was it was pretty eye-opening you know I was in an all black

neighborhood right so I kind of stuck out like a sore thumb and especially being the only female but everybody I was working with in the unit was white so it was like man they're like that's that's a 50% they figure you're white guy you're probably a cop yeah you're already a cop yeah so but their answer to that was you know they could grow out their beards and look scraggly and all this bullshit and it's like it's a superficial thing but that's not something i could obviously do so i had to get pretty creative with a persona and what i was going to develop myself into to not be looked at as a cop right so when i was doing vice and the

prostitution stuff, contrary to popular belief, the worse you look, the nastier street hooker type thing, the more money you make, as opposed to what people think like, you know, escort services dressing nice with, you know, stilettos and all that. It didn't fucking work that way. You know, we wore dirty-ass clothes. I put coconut oil in my hair. Make it look like you had to take a shower in a couple days. Yeah, take it a shower. And I use this stuff called Blackout. I don't know if you've ever seen that, it looks like a bottle of nail polish and you paint it on your teeth and it looks like your teeth are missing. So it's blackout, right?

So I would do it every kind of fourth or fifth tooth to look like I was a toothless, greasy hooker. Right. And, you know, that. And they're lining up. They're lining up. Yeah. It was crazy the amount of dudes pulling up on their lunch break with their beemers and their kids

car seat in the back. ask it for a blow job you know um i got an fbii agent on duty in his FBI vehicle on his lunch break and he was like 60 something so it's insane like everybody think yeah it's sorry they faces connor makes it's like he's just like yeah yeah yeah it's just people have this perception of oh only the dirty lonely guys look for hookers and it's like fuck now it's it's everybody rich poor middle class whatever yeah guys are scumbags yeah in general how so how what does that make you think about like did you have a certain a certain kind of uh image of what guys were and then this happens you're like wow these guys are just derelicks yeah yeah you know i was like 20 includes you guys

three yeah exactly i was like 23 years old you know i didn't know what to think and you know i had the kind of the same perception all this is going to be just fucking you know blue collar scumbags coming home from their roofing jobs and uh i could have been more wrong about who it was and the diversity of who it was. Well, wasn't it, oh gosh, what was the guy's name one time? He was huge, too. He was in four weddings and a funeral. Was it Hugh Grant?

Yeah. Hugh Grant, like, when picked up, like, a skanky-looking. Yeah. Like, you're a street-hooker. You are a multi-millionaire, famous, good-looking guy. Yeah. And he figures, eh, let me swing by here. Uh-huh.

tap some, uh, some, some skanky looking hooker. It's just like, what do you think? Isn't that insane? Yeah. It's, it's more common than you think. And it totally changed my perception on prostitution and, you know, they were targeting the Johns, obviously. And it's a supply and demand issue.

Just fucking regulate it. Yeah. You know, it's, uh, just make it legal and regular. You're never going to stop it. Right. Pointless. And they would give these dudes $500 tickets with the court date and just let them go. well you know I was going to say how much more money would you make if you just charge the girls tested them charge them where they say hey boom I got to right here's my card if you want to know that I've been tested and here's my card right you know then then you'd make a ton of it's like marijuana marijuana exactly tax the shit out of it and regulate it right and now you just how much have you cut down on on everything else from you know the beatings and murders I was going to say prisons and the arrest and all the money associated with having to you know and then you can well it's just it's the same thing you know you know

you could actually take that money and now you could have you know rehab clinics and whatever totally um you know kind of like uh like amsterdam or something yeah along those lines well there's some there isn't there a maybe one county in nevada that yeah that regulates it's not actually in Vegas like it's right to drive like 50 miles outside yeah outside of the the county where we're county ranch and all that kind of stuff yeah so uh it's clearly working for them but uh it's just uh you just don't want to be the policy it's hard to be the politician that votes for that and get reelected you know yeah because they're hypocritical yeah middle class america doesn't want to believe that no but they're buying them right they just don't want to put it out same thing with

marijuana right they don't they don't want to probably why that that's probably why the the actual it's just because they know it's so prevalent yeah they don't like we can't we don't throw these guys in jail yeah let's just hit them for 500 bucks at a court date right embarrass them a little bit but let's face it if you really thought this was a serious huge problem well then you would these guys would get in six course exactly that was so funny too is like when you do something like that people only realize like people like oh he only got 60 90 days or six months but get up and go to jail for six months your stuff everything's gone yeah like that's devastating yeah you might as well give me five years yeah you get nine six to six months you're done

everything's gone most of them their wives didn't even find out or their girlfriends because they literally got a ticket in their hand and they were home for dinner so they didn't miss a beat There was a thing in the BOP in the Bureau of Prisons where guys were getting a shot. If they were caught having sex in prison, they were writing shots and mailing them home to their families. So that your, this was when HIV was just kind of coming out. This is in like the 90s. What is writing shots mean? Oh, I'm sorry, it's a disciplinary action.

Oh, okay. This man, you know, this inmate was caught in a sexual act with another inmate. and then they would send it home to like their family so that they would know by the way your husband went to jail your boyfriend went to jail for five years he's getting out and he might have HIV right right they don't do that anymore but that happened for years selecting labor results aren't probably lawsuits

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Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. So what happened with the, then you went undercover. Did you go from that to narcotics? Yeah, so I was kind of moonlighting with Vice every once in a while doing four or six hour shifts because it's overwhelming it's like having the uh you know seven 11 and telling everybody it's freak ass that's how fucking the lines were it was insane it was like nothing i've ever seen before so there was like four of us two of us on one corner two of us on another corner and we couldn't keep up just people pulling in one to buy drugs fucking drive through no the sex oh okay i thought you

I thought you were talking about the narcotics. No, so then I kind of segueed over to narcotics, and that was same thing, you know, fish in a barrel. It was just, it's simple. You know, you're going in the projects and you're buying, you know, crack or methamphetamine and then trying to build a case against somebody, or, you know, sometimes you would do some street level bust at the time, buy and bust, buy bust. We called it by bust. Right.

Um, but most of the time it's, it's at a case level, you know, you're buying repetitively from the same person. So you're buying and leaving. They don't even know. They don't have no idea. A case being built on them. No. And by the time that they get arrested that they've sold to probably 200 people, they have no idea who it is. Right. And I never had to really testify to protect my identity. Um, so I mean, when you go in those neighborhoods, did you ever, you know, ever pull up and, and they go, nah, she's a cop. She's a cop. Yeah. They did at the, at the onset, when I was kind of really developing a persona right so um i have uh an aunt and uncle that were born mentally challenged and they have a certain way of speaking and i was so used to it as a kid that i was like

that's it the grease in the hair the blackout in the teeth talk like you're mentally challenged and that was my persona and it fucking worked after that not a single person question my identity. They just thought I was, you know, some fucking loser on the streets, another homeless mentally challenged person that the fucking government threw away, you know, essentially. So you're not, are you driving up in a car, sometimes in a car? Sometimes in a car, and these cars are pieces of shit, just shit that they seized. So I'd rotate him.

Right. And sometimes I'd go with a partner. And we would just kind of do together. But I'd try to stay away from the white guys just because that was kind of. of a easy beacon for cop um i was to say i read an article when i was i was locked up i read an article that was you ever heard of don diva magazine no well there was a was a was it don't diva there was another maximum i think it was a max oh okay yeah it's not around anymore oh i don't think it is anyway i don't think so but yeah remember yeah yeah right and there was a

girl that was a professional like she had a boyfriend right so was a black chick she was a and she was a a black chick and her boyfriend was a drug dealer. He got arrested and went to prison, federal prison. She went to the DEA and said, look, I want to work on cases to get him out of prison. This happens a lot, right? It's called a third party rule. And they were like, look, the problem is he went to trial. We're not going to, we want him to do the 20 years.

Like we're not, no matter what you do, we're not going to let that credit go to reducing his sentence. It's not going to happen. Okay. So they said, but if you are willing to do this, We'll pay you. Yeah, snitch. It was a professional snitch. And she would fly around.

They would literally, the DEA came in. They were like, we're going to fly you here for a week. And they'd give her $3,000 or $4,000 for a week. And it's funny because she was in college. She had like a gold tooth. And she was raised in like in the project. But she's also smart. Yeah.

So they were like, and they go, she could switch. Like she had some tattoos. She had the gold tooth. She said, so she could pull up in a car and all the drug dealers want to fuck. her like she's like they're ready to they're dying to sell to her and hit her hit her up and they were like so she could pull in a car get a bunch of get a bunch of buys in one week and then jump on a plane fly back with her money and there's like every every month or two they're flying her back all over the country they she was like a professional she did for years yeah and then eventually she stopped

doing it wow she never got made no and this is a big thing they were the deep they interviewed like the DEA agent in the mag in the article and he was saying the problem was You know, they could sniff us out. Oh, yeah. She fits in. Like, we can't, they were like, it's very difficult to pull in a neighborhood cold and have them trust you and sell you something. They say, they can just tell this person's not a drug addict. Yeah.

This person doesn't fit the mold or the, you know. But Jay said she was amazing at it. So, I mean, it takes a certain talent. It does. But, you know, we had a bunch of snitches that worked with us and stuff and that would do the introductions and get us into places that we normally wouldn't be able to get into. They trust you Yeah But you know

It was one day I was like I had to pay her And I'm like She's fucking making more than I am Oh yeah Yeah And I'm like

What the fuck And I'm the one that's at danger here I changed my tune Though I found out A couple years ago That she was murdered So yeah They finally

Probably made her And But she was You know Living in the projects She wasn't a drug user She was just like This is more money

than I'll fucking make working at dollar general that's how this girl was they did the great thing about her was she had never been arrested they said a lot of the professional sisters they said they've been arrested multiple times so if she had to go and testify they were like she can get on the on the stand they'd say well what do you do right now well this is what I do full time oh so you're a professional this well I do this because I'm in college full time it's like ah have you ever been arrested you know no are you a drug here no oh there was just like she was perfect yeah so she made bank I'm sure she was articulate and she was and she could do the switch back and forth from you know

did she have to testify a lot or they protect her identity I think she had testified once or twice like she was where guys were going to court wow and she did actually I want to say I feel like I like I can't remember the article but I want to say that she she did testify because I remember them saying the great thing about her is yeah she doesn't have a drug history so if she has to testify so to me I feel like she testified yeah but I don't remember exactly but they were like she's ideal it's very difficult to find someone like her but that was also why they were protecting they were flying her out of the state they were flying and it was the DEA so it was national you're a snitch and you're in a small city like yeah that's dangerous yeah very dangerous yeah

I wasn't in a small city but I was required to live in the city that I worked which posed yeah that's a dangerous some danger to me and it just became one of those things where I was like what the fuck am I doing right I'm putting my life at risk for $40,000 a year. And this is never going to make a dent on the drug trade. Like, who are you fucking kidding here? You know, us spending $300 a day. Then I'm going to do shit.

So it was one of those things that I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? And even if you went through and you picked up every drug dealer in that city and removed them all at once, within a month, they've completely been replaced. And it's up and running again. And within two months, it's exactly the same way. You can change a fucking thing. Exactly. Except for spent a whole bunch of money.

Right. Created a lot of chaos, maybe taking some drugs on the street for a few weeks. It's a waste of money for the government, waste of our money, for the government to put money towards stopping drugs. It's never going to happen. It really is. And it's, like you said, someone will be replaced literally 10 minutes later. Right. It's fucking, it's never going to go away.

You know what's funny is like, because I mean, obviously I was, you know, I was locked up. and like and I know people that are on drugs right and I've seen you know the tragedy of the of the whole situation and I've actually like never done any drugs like I've never smoked pot I'm actually never smoked a cigarette well never drank my father was an alcoholic and I just at a young age I was like yeah I'm not going to I'm not going to do that good for you like he's a great guy when he was sober and then when he was drunk he was such a scumbag and I was like well I'm I'm a borderline asshole yeah sober all the time like this isn't I know this is not the way to go right but but I But having been through the system, it's like, absolutely, like, it wouldn't be a great situation to have drugs legalized because there would be, you see more drug addicts probably out. But in the end, there's no perfect, there's no perfect, there's no perfect solution. The best solution is legalize it, pay for it, open some rehab centers for those people that want to get help. And at least you can make enough money that you can clean it up enough. Yeah. That it's safe.

Well, and it's kind of survival of the fittest, too. You get rid of the ones that are never going to get sober. They're never going to stop it. Just give them easier access, speed up the fucking process. I mean, let's be honest. But I mean, honestly, too, think about all the violence that's associated with it too. That's true. You'd get rid of a ton of violence.

Yeah, you would. So how long did that go on until? I did that for a year and a half, two years. It was a year and a half, two years too long. Right. And I was like, I got to come up with a. fucking business here and we shared an office with

the undercovers were in the office with the we called them Snootak street narcotics tactical unit so when we would go build our case they would run the search warrants so we it was like a big giant bullpen and every time we had a meth case

they were fucking suiting up like spacesuits with fucking respirators and all this stuff and I'm like, wait, what are you guys doing? Oh, well, we're going to bust a meth lab. Okay, so it's okay for my ass to go in there with nothing and buy it, but you fuckers get all fucking suited up and protect it.

Right. You see what I'm saying? Like, come on, man. You know, so it's a matter of time before, you know, I gave birth to a kid with four fucking heads because I'm going into all these goddamn meth labs, right? So that's when it was another trigger for me that I'm like, this is, this is not sustainable. There's no way. If you go bad at some point. Yeah,

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or you're going to get a bullet in your head right yeah so he smoked the crack um so so so you're going through this whole thing and you're already thinking how do I exit how do I how do I get out of that just not just not just the unit or not the whole thing like there's there's just no there's no upward momentum for the I don't want my life to take this trajectory where I'm no what I'm a police officer for the rest of my life but yeah but people do and people yeah to each is on but you know I'm not into being in poverty for the rest of my life so it's it ain't going to happen for me so I'm racking my brain and I quickly realize I have no fucking transferable skills to get a job anywhere else. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's like that or security. I can buy dope. You can be a security guard. Like, I mean, there's no, like, there's no private people, you know, buying dope. No. Well, there are, but. Yeah. Yeah.

Not for salary. So I was, you know, just trying to figure out what am I going to do? What am I going to do? And I'm like, fuck it. I think I have to go back to school and get. My MBA. I've got to diversify. I've got to get away from this because I'm essentially branded myself, right? All I had done was law enforcement. Right. So I needed to kind of diversify myself. So I'm in, you know, my getting my MBA at night while I'm working during the day. And I'm meeting all these people that are, you know, fucking bankers and financial advisors and all this other bullshit. And I'm like, I don't fucking want to do that. And I go to work one night and this woman asked me when we're, coming back to clean up the blood from her son that was murdered. And I was like, oh, we don't do that.

She's like, well, then who does? And I'm like, I had no fucking idea. Nobody had ever asked me that, ironically. I'm working in the worst neighborhoods, tons of homicides, tons of suicides, and no one had ever asked me that. So I started asking around. And everybody basically said, we don't know and we don't care. Right.

it's not our fucking problem we go in we investigate it we're out so i started kind of researching it looking into it and i'm like okay i can do this as a side gig let's see where this goes right so it just started out kind of as a side gig cleaning up crime scenes on my off time what was the first one you did like i mean did you go out and get some business cards set up a website or just you just yeah i mean i had no money right as you can imagine i was making 40 grand a year i had a roommate so i couldn't even pay my bills um so i found this training school in dallas texas and i called this fucking guy up and he was basically doing what i'm doing but teaching other people how to do it too so i said hey i want to come to your training school and he said okay it's 2,500 for a week and i'm like fuck

that's all i had in my account right literally all my savings so i'm like fuck it i'll take my only week of vacation the last bit that i have in there and i went to his training school in Dallas. I was in Kansas City, so one too far. And I met these two guys in there. There was like 20 people in there. And I met these two guys that were from Oklahoma. And they were partners. And they were like, we're going to start doing crime scene too. We're nurses by day. So they only work like three days a week. Right. And I said, well, how did you get the money to do your startup? And they're like, we walked into a bank and asked them for an SBA business loan and they gave it to us. So I'm like, no fucking way. Dude literally gives me his exact.

business plan tells me take it change the name on it and go do the same thing i did that i got denied at every bank i went into okay yeah because i don't have a dick right i was gonna say i was gonna are these two white guys yeah two okay yeah two white guys so i call them up and i go dude i did exactly what you did and he's like i don't get it and i'm like of course you don't so i go into a fifth bank and I lied to him I say hey I need a home equity loan I need new windows on my fucking house and they're like okay give me a check for 15 grand right I'm like well that was fucking easy why didn't I do that you know the beginning but it it's that extra I had to lie to him to get them to do it you know what I'm saying but whatever I don't have any fucking regrets I paid them off

whole bit first job 15 grand nice double homicide so how did you did you I mean I went door to door I printed my own shitty little business cards that had the perforations on the bottom. Right. I had the worst website on the planet. I don't, no one found it ever. Right. I had no idea what I was doing. And I just went door to door.

Apartments, funeral homes, hotels. People that you knew had had. No. I just fucking went to everyone in an area, a particular area. On every day off that I had, knock on the door. Hey, if you ever had, you know. A horrible strategy. It's horrible.

But it worked. right it worked because kind of the word of mouth got out and I couldn't afford to hire anybody so I was doing all my own shit right I was doing the marketing oh 5 2005 so social media is just kind of well no she's yeah I guess it's just kind of starting out right I don't remember there being a YouTube because I remember on my first job there was a ton of demo and I was like how do I do this right I remember thinking how do I do this and there was never a YouTube so I'm like, you know what I need to do is just basically hire somebody part-time to help me that has skills I don't have. Right. Which was construction. Construction? Yeah, because you have to take out baseboards, pull up tile flooring, replace subflooring. Like there was, there's a lot involved.

And that was something that I was like, oh, shit, I didn't realize that. Right. You know, if you've never taken somebody's subfloor before, you probably should learn how to do it before you do it. Yeah. So when you take that, are you replacing it? Yeah, you're supposed to. So when you walk back out, it looks like... It never even happened.

Oh, okay. So the first place, 15 grand. Yeah, double homicide, 15 grand. And then the next place was like a Salvation Army where people... Yeah. I guess just lower income people live. And the guy died from whatever and decomposed in his recliner. And...

In the Salvation. Salvation Army? Yeah, it was one of those, not the, where the homeless people live, but it's like a transition, almost like a halfway house. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I know. I mean, I was in the, Salvation Army runs them, but I was in the halfway house. It was a goodwill, but it's the same thing.

Right. So that you have your own little, like, apartment, right, that's furnished? Well, I didn't, but yes, there are people that have them. And there's actually, I think the one here, they actually have like a bunch of single wide trailers and stuff in the back. Oh, okay. Well, this was like a high rise. Okay. So.

But how long did he sit there before they found? He was probably there for a week or two. So I don't think there's, it was independent living. No bed checks, I guess. No bed checks there. So, and he was older. So it's probably just, you know, a heart attack or something like that. And he just was there.

But I was thinking, how the fuck am I going to get this recliner by myself out? Well, at least you show up after the body's gone, right? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I couldn't show up what the body was there. Yeah. Not that there's not a bunch of stuff left over.

Yeah, you know, you get part of their brain and maggots and all that kind of stuff there. But that was the second job. And then... How did you get that recliner out? You just take it apart? You know, I created... We were talking about this yesterday. I created...

I took a furniture dolly and I slapped a piece of plywood on top of it. And then I put some piping around it and screwed it in. And it was like a dolly cart. Right. And I put it on there and pushed it out and just did that. I still have it to this day. That's why we're talking about it. We were reminiscing about the good old days of moving dead guys on a furniture dolly.

What was the next one or the next interesting one? At that point, the department gave me an ultimatum and said, hey, we were all right with this, but now we're not. At the second job? After the second job. I had only been doing it. maybe a month or two at the point at that point it was a control thing right they they wanted to be able to not only control my income because we weren't allowed to work off duty they were controlling everything so I was like well I'm not working off duty because this isn't in a law enforcement capacity

so that's why they initially approved it and then after that they were like you know we changed our mind and I was like yeah I did too fuck you I quit right so I was out I literally put all my shit in a garbage bag and I was like I'm out and then I'm like well wait why am I fucking staying here then I hate living in the Midwest so I packed my shit up rented my house out and moved to Florida okay after just a few jobs yep like that's that's another gutsy move yeah to move across it just to pack your shit up and just move like that's already are you married no single nothing no kids no nothing so I had no obligations other than that house right um that mortgage and I put some tenants in there.

And it was one of those things where if I don't find a fucking tenant, whatever, I'll short sale it for a close. I didn't care. I had to get out of that shithole. Right. And I moved to Florida where I went to high school, so I still had friends here. They let me stay with them. Found a job in sales, teach me how to sell. And then I did both of those things.

And then you started, what you started? Did you go to the local police department? Yeah, I went everywhere, man. What do they say when you walk in and say, hey, here's what I do? Thanks, but no, thanks. No, were there other people there that were doing it? No, because the cops aren't allowed to refer any for-profit company. Okay.

So unless you're saying, hey, I've got free clothes for everyone, they ain't going to fucking, they don't care. So what about opening up a non-for-profit? Hey, we do this. You can still charge for an option. Yeah, you can. There was just the regulations for it were way beyond my capacity at that point. So I'm like, okay, so I pivot, do the same thing that I did that work for me in Kansas City, the apartments, the hotels, assisted living. Of course, there's a shit ton of 55 and older communities here.

Yeah. So I went to all those. And then the phone starts ringing. Because, of course, I didn't have any money for a website or any type of ad words or traction or anything like that. So I was kind of doing them both, building them. And then in 2008, two years later, it was enough to where I could quit my day job. Okay. But now you're doing stuff, it's not just like retirement homes now.

It's for the police. Like, they don't call you, but so the victim's families or landlords or owners of what they call up. Hey, listen, there was an issue. You know, this is what happened. We need somebody to come clean us up. Right. But the cops don't. No.

They still won't to this day. I'm saying like bullshit Yeah Whatever but Okay So and you don't contact these people Do you? They're just finding you Yeah I mean

There's no way for me to know that If you had a suicide in your house Well it could be I was going to say newspapers They don't post it suicides What about police reports How do I get them? How do I know where to go?

I mean can't you go to you can I mean it's public information right Well the problem is Is it's so dynamic Right happening so quickly right you can't wait two weeks no can't wait two weeks and if it's an open case they're not going to give you the freedom of no they're going to wait till it's of course it could be months yeah so the sense of urgency is there and the in the way to get that

is when people are freaking out who the fuck's going to clean this up yeah where are they going the internet yeah so we had i had to basically suck it up and bite the bullet and put all my marketing efforts on the internet okay any are any cases that yeah out to yeah oh god there's just there's so many and you know the thing is is i've been doing this 17 years now and there's no two that are ever the same right which is crazy and you know uh the suicides are always sad in some cases but a lot of suicides are um because they've been diagnosed with maybe a terminal illness and they're just like fuck it which i can't say that i blame them right who wants to rot right away you know who wants to live like that so uh and then there's

some where you know it's like a 16 year old kid and it's like fuck those are heavy are the the parents call you and you yeah and you and and i was i was just thinking i had a kid on here who um um he named what kid he said he's 30 years old uh his names uh was uh Ethan and Ethan had gotten a phone call from his mother and she said and he said we grew up with guns yeah and he said you know he got a phone call from his mom his mom goes Ethan you know you got to come home right now your brother shot himself and he thought yeah he thought I thought accidental discharge like shot he was like oh okay is he okay and she was well I don't think he's breathing and he was like oh shit so he drives home and he walks in and he said I mean my he was

my brothers he said skull brains everything said body's on there on there on or all over the back wall and he said he was just like he said half his head's missing like he was like you suck a gun I guess and blew his brains out or maybe the side of his head or something but yeah and they had no idea it was coming no and that's the the odd part is I can't tell you how many people say we have no idea why or you know we didn't see this coming and it and it makes me wonder did you not see it or did you not look right because it rarely in my opinion happens we just ignore the the warning signs yeah or you're so busy in your day-to-day that you don't realize that your your kid's suffering and suffering in silence which is even

worse so the the homicides what happens with the homicides like there's yeah you know we the cleanups for the homicides are about 12 13 percent of what we do so thank god they're not a lot Not that homicides are down by any means. What that means is essentially it's happening in public places, streets, parking lots, things like that, that they're not getting cleaned up. So you have to remove, so if somebody gets shot, somebody shoots themselves in the head or does whatever or this decomposition over the course of a week or so, so you're taking up like anything that you're, are you, what happens with the walls? Like, are you just repainting the wall? We'll clean them and we'll clean them, disinfect them. If there's bullet holes in the wall, you know, we'll pull the shell casing out of there, repair the drywall and, you know, paint over it, make it look like it never, it never happened.

We had one recently, well, not recently, maybe a year or two ago, and he was a veteran. So a lot of veterans are coming back with fucked up shit. And he went into his bedroom, he set out a ton of food for his cat. and water and he wrote never forget on the wall and then shot himself there and uh you know the never forget part wasn't you know a biohazard we didn't have to clean that but i'm like i don't want them to fucking see that so i washed it off and painted over it i found some extra paint and painted over it and then you know we ended up having to take his floor part of his wall it went into his walk-in closet like he just laid against the wall and shot himself so of course it

you know liquid takes the path of least resistance so it's going to find its way um i had i don't know if this just made me think of that um so there was a guy named uh derrick nolan that i wrote a book about and um he was in prison for a pain clinic uh he was running he uh his father his father when he was younger I think he was like three years old his mother was having an affair his father ends up in the middle of the night

she didn't come home two o'clock or something in the morning puts him in his little underroos you know brings him in the truck puts him in the truck drives to the guy's house walks the son him with his father at two in the morning walks up to the

to the window sees his mother laying in bed or laying on the couch with this guy naked father kicks in the front door grabs a knife and stabs the boyfriend to death and then she runs he chases her down stabs her to death in front of there in the driveway takes derrick drops him off at um was he just fucking screaming and he's a baby at that point he's just he's he said I just he said I remember driving off staring at my mom and thinking he was like I knew I was never going to see her again like I knew I knew I knew kind of what had happened like I understood um because I remember it but you know he's he's a dark guy I bet I don't want to say kind of dark disturbed you know a very serious well actually he laughs all the time but anyway I got a dark sense of humor so he gets

dropped off at his uncles his uncle raises him his father turns himself in goes to trial in new york uh in new york i want to say new york state is found uh is found not guilty due to um insanity insanity goes to like uh for like two years goes to some hospital right mental hospital gets out starts his life over again marries another woman they have two kids Derek stepbrother and this is now Derek's like 20 something years old 21, 21, 22 years old

the new stepmother decides she wants to get a divorce the father goes when he served with a divorce papers he goes and he gets a shotgun and when she comes home he walks into the I want to say she was in the

master bedroom closet walking closet he walked in with a shotgun and shot her in the head He blew her. Holy shit. Then walks out to the cabana by the pool, waits for the police. And when the police come, he pulls his little 38 or 22 out.

Shoots himself. Shoots himself. The bullet goes through his eye or his eye sockets. Yeah. And now he's blind. He passes out, loses the, he had to search around to find the gun and shoot himself again in like just behind the ear this time and kills himself. Holy shit. And so when you were saying suicide, I was thinking to myself, I was like, I'm wondering, like, how many of these guys are able to do it the first time.

A lot. We do a ton of murder suicides. And it's weird because it's always wealthier guys. Wow. You know, it's, it's, did you ever see that? There's, like, there are these guys. What do they call them? There's a name for guys that kill their, like, like, they lose their job and they realize we're going to lose our house.

We're going to lose it. And fatalists, fatalists or something. and they kill like their whole family. They're three kids, their wife, and then they kill them up because they can't imagine their family going on without them. Yep. I can't believe how much it fucking happens.

We had a big high profile one up in Carawood. It was all over the news. And it was so fucked up. So basically, the guy was divorced, had a daughter that was in college at the time. And the girlfriend and him were like fucking oil and water. You know, it was one of those love, hate,

relationships, lusts to the whole bit, and they're both heavy-ass fucking drinkers. And... Good combination. Yeah, right? And they're living together in this nice-ass house. And he is very high up with a big Fortune 500 company. And I guess they're fucking fighting. They're drunk the whole bit.

He takes a rifle and shoots her in the bed. And then he's like, oh, fuck, what do I do? So wraps her up in the bedding, pulls the car. pulls the car back to the front door, wraps her like a tortilla, puts her in the back of the, it was like a, not a four-door sedan,

but like a small SUV, but the windows, like it wasn't a trunk is what I'm getting at. So he's trying to get ready to do whatever. I'm assuming dispose of the body. Right. Well, somebody had called a check the welfare. And the cops show up.

Just because they heard the gunshot? No, because they hadn't heard from her. okay in a while it's been a day or so so he shot her and she was still yeah he's trying to figure out what is he what is he gonna do with her he didn't have her in the trunk of the car within an hour this is day a day or so yeah a day or so he puts her in the trunk of the car and uh the cops show up you know just

check the welfare he gets ready to walk to the door to knock on the door and he sees the wrapped body in the SUV and he's like holy fuck so they all back out right and now they're surrounded the house and this guy has his own gas mask ready so he's got a gas mask he's got he's set up armory of guns in there and uh he makes it well known he ain't coming out and uh so they're like fuck they start shooting tear gas in there doesn't even phase the fucking guy because he's got the respirator on he must have been the entire time writing this

letter. I did this because of this. Like he explained the whole fucking thing and then ends up shooting himself. So they crashed through the front door, uh, with the, you know, the battering Rams and the whole bit and he's, he's dead in the bed. So the letter basically said, love her to death, but that bitch is toxic as fuck. And she sounds like she's the problem. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But his problem was I could, he couldn't walk away from her. Yeah. And, uh, I leave everything to my daughter. and the personal representative that I want to handle this is a friend. Like he had everything.

And then what he did was fucking smart. Instead of writing one letter, he made like 12 photocopies and hid them around the house. So I guess he was afraid that somebody would hide the letter or misconstrue it. So we actually found the actual letter unbeknownst to us because he had made so many copies of it. it's crazy I mean this happened just eight or nine months ago the level of of narcissism yes to to plant not

not only do I you know I want to have complete control of my life but even after my death after my death 100% control of it I want to have the last word that's how I read it right is I need to have the last word yeah I loved her but we were toxic for one another she uh it said something like she was forcing me to not see my daughter, forcing me to choose her over my daughter.

So they both were just fucked up. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, so he left a hell a mess, let me tell you. Oh, my God. Yeah, hell of a mess. We're a horrible species. I know. Like, yeah, humans are fucks, man.

The worst predators on the fucking planet, yeah. I mean, so after seeing all of, like, just everything that you've seen. Like, it's just a little look on your face. I mean, I know what you're going to say. Like, what are you, you know. What is your opinion of just humanity in general? You know, I never had a good opinion to begin with, but now it's just, you're not a big fan. It's in the fucking sewer, you know, it really is.

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you really, people just don't value life. You're expendable. Right. And it's obvious. It's day to day, you know. Oh, man. Man. Yeah.

People are so. cruel to like some of the shit that I've seen them do to one another is just brutal you know and you can tell the hatred in a person by the way that they kill somebody you know because there's there's a lot of easy ways to kill people yeah but when you want to blast their fucking head off with a shotgun that's a hatred right there yeah yeah yeah i think i've done more murder suicide cleanups, then I've done homicide cleanups. And dudes just can't stand

to be broken up with, I guess. Yeah, that's... They're just like, you know what? I don't want anybody else to have you, so I'm just going to kill you too. But don't kill the fucking dog. Come on. Is that what happens? They kill the dog, too? Sometimes. And she loved that dog. Yeah, but I love the dog.

So that's why I say don't kill the dog. You know, it's just... I can clean up eyeballs, brain. Did you see the thing? Did you see the commercial Danny did? From concrete yeah you know who danny yeah oh have you done danny show no but i saw his show on concrete oh you should do danny's yeah um he's right he's right he's yeah that's what i've heard julian told me about him yeah yeah he's great yeah did julian put you in contact with yeah i think so

oh okay oh today no i was gonna say that's not what my fucking schedules said oh okay he was like yeah he wants to get a wrong there so yeah yeah he's great he's way better at this than me. Like, he'll answer, like, because trust me, in the comment section, people will be like, bro, like, you could ask her this, could ask this, and she'll be like, I don't be like, I even think about that. But was, oh, Danny did a commercial one time. This is whole, it's hilarious, where the guy, his girlfriend gets deployed because he makes commercial, you can leave all this in here. Like, Danny, his, I showed you this commercial. If you remember, that's hilarious. It's in such a six, sick, like, I died laughing. I died laughing. Some people are like,

Oh, my God, it's horrible. I'm like, oh, well, you're too serious. So where Danny, there's a guy and his girlfriend, like the commercial is the guy and his girlfriend and her Labrador, and they're watching the movie, they're sitting on the couch, watching the movie. They're running on the beach. They're in love. They're together.

You can tell she loves her dog. Yeah. So then one day they're laying in bed and the phone rings and she gets a phone call and she's like, and she looks at him like, and he's like, oh, my God. She's packing up her stuff. she's in the military oh packs up her stuff puts on her best puts on everything as her bag or duffel bag he drives her with the dog drives to the airport she's telling the dog goodbye it's a beautiful it's very romantic like you're like this is so sweet like this is the music and then so then he goes and you can see him with the dog at night sleeping the dog

walk in the dog he's alone she's gone yeah then he drives back to the airport um dated in tampa international like had to get a permit and everything and they're in the parking garage and He's sitting there with the dog waiting, and all of a sudden, she comes out, and there's this massive, like, six-foot-four black guy who's carrying her. And she's with him, and she's all hugging him and kissing him. And he's also in the military, and she's walking, and he's like, what? Uh-huh. And he sits there, and all of a sudden, he pulls out a gun, and he sticks the gun to the dog, boom, and shoots her dog. and he sticks a gun to his

and he's the funniest thing you've ever seen. I'm like, that's soft. Don't judge me. He shoots the dog and then himself. Shoes her dog. Does she see it? Yeah, she's there. They're like screaming and then he shoots himself

and then the thing. So he did that commercial for a jewelry store. Oh, fuck. So he, but then he had an alternate and that's just his own alter. He said because when we were talking about putting it together, he and his buddies were like wouldn't it be funny she walks out with another guy and he shoots her dog yeah but how does that correlate with a jewelry company he does that he made a separate oh a separate one okay so he did it as a spoof yeah he's like we're already here yeah we have the like it was it like it's easy to shoot her going and she she turns to him and she runs and they hug and he no she hugs the dog yeah yeah and then that's it he said we ought to go ahead we'll take a gun yeah you know so he did the separate one he he goes to when he pitches it to them Yeah. They have like 20 people in a boardroom.

Holy fuck. And he shows that one, the one with the murder. And he said, I think they're going to die realizing it's a joke. Oh no. He said, bro, crickets. I bet. And he said, they look at him. They're like, they were horrified. Um, read the fucking room, man. Danny, we, uh, we really don't. He's, and he said, I realized right away that they, they're not thinking. He's okay, that was just a joke. There's a joke. Hold on. I got that. He said, and then I play the other one. They're like, oh, okay, that's, uh, yeah, that's much about. Okay. Okay. He said like, hey, he said like, no sense of humor no of course not it was read the room i will show you the video you're going to be like you just don't see it coming yeah as i'm sure many of these people didn't i'll get that yeah i'll be serious

no it's okay then it'll be muscle memory for me and i'll just pick up a mop in a fucking bottle and i'll just start clean and i'm like oh whoa wait this is a commercial hold on yeah this is a commercial hold on yeah oh my god um have you seen breaking bad yeah you love it i've seen i've seen everyone i've seen was good So you haven't seen it through and through. No, no. No. When that series was huge, I was locked up, and it's hard to watch this program. There's no excuse now.

There's Netflix. There's just fucking no excuse, you know? I just got through Game of Thrones. Oh, I couldn't do it. I'm working on, you know, we're working on Westworld. I think it's the language. Really? Like, I don't want to have to pay attention that much to understand.

What the fuck kind of English are you speaking? What did I watch? What did we watch the other day? Oh, you know what the, did you know what? did you ever see um not what's the name of it um you the series you yes he's a serial yes and he stalks these chicks and yeah yeah that's a great that's a great one it is but you know there was like three seasons and then we're i think the new season's coming out in like a month or something uh-huh that's a great one he's constantly cleaning stuff up yeah um so yeah he's the one

he's got him locked in a cage right yeah because he's always trying to to fight the urge to get rid of any he'll argue he actually does let like he ends up letting one guy go and that guy ends up being like a huge confidant of his who's like helping him no shit I missed that part he was already like a criminal oh okay and he so instead of turning him in he's like hey man I like your style well you know it's so funny about that I want to kidnap chicks too well you know what's funny about the whole time he's talking to this guy and he's locked up in the cage he's like you don't understand I'm in love with this girl in Thailand and I've sent her 30 thousand dollars to get a surgery and he's sitting there going like there's no girl in thailand are you

crazy yeah but eventually he lets him go there is a girl in thailand he goes to thailand he's living in thailand and he's remotely like helping him shut up all right i miss that season i got to watch that shit yeah super dark yeah well i mean i would think that you know like yeah my life is dark so yeah okay i like it how often do you do this um the the cleanup like is it pretty semi consistent or do you have weeks when you're doing nothing? No, it's consistent. But, you know, we have other services, too, like meth lab cleanup that we'll clean meth labs, you know, that don't involve.

I love the way you say that. Yeah, it's just kind of, you know, like, hey, pass the broccoli. Like, you know, we also wash cars. Yeah. Yeah. Only if there's blood in it. Right. So, so meth lab cleanup.

Jesus. Yeah. So that's why I said if you'd seem breaking bad, because out of everything that I've seen, that is the most accurate in terms of. why we clean it, the PPE that he's wearing, the whole bit. Like the storyline is brutally accurate. Right. Every meth guy I knew in prison had a burn mark on him.

Oh, I'm sure. All of them have burned. Did they all have fucked up teeth? Well, not all, most of them. That was at the level, like, when the medium, the guys I met that did meth in the low security prison, like probably as silly as this at the age of 53. You know, my best friend, which is a guy named Perry, a Rossini, who, when you were mentioning, rolled the guy, rolled her up like a tortilla.

That's what he did. He's disposed of two bodies. There you go. And he said, you know, we put them in a sleeping bag, you know, roll like a tortilla. Yeah. And we, you know, dump the bodies and, you know, these dumpsters. Why do people use dumpsters? I don't know.

When you have perfectly good alligators. Oh, I, I told me, I was like, I mean, seriously. dig a hole bury the body or burn it or do some get rid like don't throw in a dumpster thinking one of them don't make yourself sweat give it to the alligators let them do it well there's no he was in l.A well there are there alligator in l.A no no okay no um but anyway he uh but like this is prime spot right here but he wasn't he he he ran meth labs but you know they weren't like double wides in the bathtub he ran them like they rented penthouses yeah this was a high end this was when crystal meth like so he they were making um they were making ice yeah and he was he's a chemist

and was taught by a chemist right but he does have he does have a burn mark i've also met the guys who have half their face melted all oh i'm sure you put mix the fucking lithium in the wrong order and you that shit's gonna wear on you but like he made meth and never did math he's like i've never done it that's the way to go that's like walter white right he made it but didn't do it the fatal errors when they do their own product yeah because then they get sloppy Right. He, yeah, he was super, and super successful attitude. Like, hired, had FBI agents that were on his payroll. This was back in the, back in the 80s. Like, they're tipping him off. They actually, he's been arrested multiple times. And they literally. Did they find the bodies that he buried? Well, they found one body in a dumpster. One body was also thrown in a dumpster. And it just, they never found it. Obviously, it was thrown in a landfill somewhere. So he never got charged with that? No, no, he was charged with both. Oh, he did. Okay. both of them you know and they were both uh FBI informants so they were so that's why they accounted equated the murders to him of course it's such a it's such a it's such a

I actually wrote a whole book on it's called devil exposed oh okay but it's such a horrible case where he was convinced to testify or cooperate in exchange for a reduced sentence yeah and accept a plea because everybody else in the case was even though they had all taken like polygraphs and failed them multiple times they were all going to say he was the one that first they all said he killed the guys then once they failed the polygraphs they said okay he didn't kill him but he told us to kill him yeah and you know they failed them again then they said okay okay well what happened was and so then they stopped giving when they finally got the story they

wanted they stopped giving them the polygraphs and now you've got seven guys we got like three guys ready to say you did it yeah seven other people ready to testify right so he's like I have no choice but to plead guilty and tell what really happened which was that these guys decided to kill him I was there I did know what was going to happen um anyway and he said and I disposed the bodies which was funny because I can't tell this is going to be horrible like walking in prison yeah And, like, I forget, like, he, I owed him, like, some sodas or something. I'm supposed to buy him on commissary. And they didn't have soda for, like, three weeks.

And I went to commissary. And I'm like, hey, by the way, I don't have the sodas. You know, I'm like, they didn't have them again. And he goes, my God. He's, I feel like one of your victims like that. And I go, hey, bro, my victims are alive. He's like, you know, damn well, all I did was move the bodies. And I was like, and I remember stopping thinking, you know, this isn't a normal conversation.

No, no. Not at all. This is not your typical guy conversation. But is it true what they say is that, you know, you. go into prison with a high school diploma and you come out with a Ph.D. You've heard me say that. No, I haven't. Have I not said that exact? Well, listen. I was in law enforcement, so that's the kind of the common thing. So it is true. Oh, absolutely. So do you believe that there's a perfect crime where you can't get caught? My, so my, I mean, I believe there is as far as, let's say,

let's say, um, fraud. Yeah, white collar. Yeah, white collar. There definitely is. My only problem with saying that is it's like with me like I didn't get caught it's the fly in the ointment that throws everything off and I give you an example I would use this example is I had a girl one time who we rented a house transfer the deed into somebody else into another name a stolen identity we have a perfect we have a perfect ID we have everything's perfect we financed the house twice we've got about half a million dollars coming to us she goes into a title company to get the check signs everything, the picture on the ID is her.

Yeah. The woman at the title company has her sign everything, looks at the ID and says, this doesn't look like you. And it is her. It's her. Yeah. And she goes, it's me. She said, I had darker hair in the picture, but it's me.

Looks at it. Another woman comes in and says, it's her. It's her. And she goes, I don't think so. And she says, listen, you've signed. I'm not going to give you the chat. She said, what I'm going to do is I'm going to make some phone calls. If everything checks out, I'll mail you the checker.

You can come back and get it. I'm sorry. I just feel like something's not right. Now, there's nothing that wasn't right. It was the only thing. The police said, the only thing was that the picture didn't match. I said, but the dude did match. And they go, we know.

It's just weird that she felt that way. And even she said, I just didn't look like her. Like, how do I account for me doing everything out perfectly? Right. Yeah. You fucked up. Right. And stumbled on to my crime.

Damn. Like, that's what happened. She starts making phone calls. And eventually she finds out that the warranty deed, the person that we bought the house from, didn't sell the house. He's like, I didn't sell the house. What are you talking about? You're borrowing money on my house. You know?

Yeah. No, it's in my name. No, here's the warranty deed. He's like, that's my tenant. Oh. So it unraveled. Had she not made that mistake, it would have been, the crime would have been fine. Like, I was running a crime that was, I was running a crime.

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Of course, when they resell them, we made a mistake. Like, we lent too much money on a house that wasn't worth it. Right. But the comparable sales were there. Exactly. And this happens. Legitimately in a real world scenario, it does happen. And because you bought in the same neighborhood, you elevated the appraisals.

Right. Right. So the reason that whole thing imploded was because that person didn't recognize the thing. And that sparked an investigation that got to somebody else arrested. And that person cooperated and they started a task force and they said, this is that This is what he's been doing for almost two years. Now he's barred over $11 million. Yeah.

And then they come to arrest me. Fuck. So the whole thing fell over. So is that the perfect crime? To me, it was the perfect time because I'm stealing from you. I'm telling you there's a loss and you're saying it's perfectly legal. We'll just take the hit and move up. And I was spreading it out.

It was working. So is it, yes. But the problem is that, like, to me, committing fraud is something that I could very easily pull off. What I can't account for is the fly in the ointment. Yeah. And I can't, at my age, I don't have another run in me. Right, right. I can't go back to jail.

I can't five years. I'll be lucky if I can put myself, if I can get myself together enough to retire at 65 or 70. Right, right. Like, think about it. Start your life over at 53 years old. Yeah. No, I mean, when you talk about that, but the drug game, that's a short lifespan, man. Oh, these guys are, and they're insane to take that risk.

Right. Yeah. For nothing. They're cutting each other. But by the time that. That, you know, 100% pure ice hits my level. It's been cut so many times with fucking baking soda and sugar and everything else that it's so diluted. It's like 20% of product.

What is the fentanyl? Fentanyl now. Yeah. So you know what's interesting about that is, you know, everybody's like, like you were saying, it's all different levels, right? I know a guy who owns several title companies in this area. He's hired me several times to do promotions for him. I didn't know that he had his drug habit. And he died from fentanyl about a year ago.

Shit. Didn't even know it until like six months ago, I called up just to catch up with him. Yeah, but is he one of those guys that was using fentanyl or using other stuff that was cut with fentanyl? Apparently he had like a heroin habit. He would get clean for a few years. Super successful. Was he aware, though, that the fentanyl was in the hair? I don't think so see that's happening a lot right that from what I understand is the guy I talked

I ended up talking to an ex a friend of his they were friends yeah former friend you know so they were friends I ended up talking to him because he's the one who contact who told me right right right had tried to contact the one guy his name was Kevin I reached out to him hey what's going on right right he calls me he's like hey man I'm and I'm he's like I'm fucked up over Kevin like I'm not sure you you've heard I'm like heard what he's not returning my tax like that's why reached out to you yeah oh wow he's like yeah he would get clean for four or five years he you know he said then he he you know he'd go on a bender or whatever for you know three or four months his sister would call me i'd fly down we'd get him in a rehab he just been going on for 20 years yeah yeah

he's super successful guy right and he said yeah he said he's uh he started doing heroin and apparently he got something that was laced with with fentanyl i don't i don't understand why they're lacing it unknowingly I don't what's the benefit I mean I you're killing the guy so there goes your sale future sales right I just it doesn't make sense to me but we we just cleaned up one two Irish guys literally relocated to Tampa from Ireland didn't even have their fucking furniture yet right so these two guys you know big guys doing steroids the whole bit edie pills all over the fucking apartment they don't have anything in their apartment yet.

And they're like, hey, first day in Tampa, let's go party. They get some Coke, not knowing that the Coke was laced with fentanyl. They fucking snored it. Both of them. Bam, died right there. No one found them for two weeks because their family's in fucking Ireland. Yeah, they just figured. Right?

So apartment comes knocking because it stinks. They find the fentanyl Coke there, and then they decomposed on the floor. So it's like, I just don't get it why you're putting fentanyl unknowingly and giving it to people when there's plenty of people that would probably buy it as is. I mean, I'm assuming that maybe it simulates the same kind of a high and these guys are putting too much in it. Like, I'm sure people could do it.

It's laced with fentanyl and they don't die. It's so minuscule what it takes to kill you, though. Really? Okay. It's a granule. like of sand we could put a granule right here of sand and it'll kill you

it'll fucking kill you yeah I don't I don't I just don't get it those guys bought coke they didn't know that you know that it had fentanyl in there it just doesn't make any fun sense to me

but drug dealers aren't aren't you know they're not rocket scientist no by any means and it's a risky risky business and my opinion is too much risk way more risk than the reward I forget, I read a book about a former, it was a retired, like, drug enforcement agent.

And there was a filthy, rich, like, pastor that ran one of these mega churches. And his son had been caught smoking pot. And he brings in the DE agent who works for him as security and says, you know, what's going on? Like, I give money to drugs, all these drug things and all. He's like, I mean, this isn't, it's not even, it's not even. It's not making a dent. He's like, what would make a dent? Yeah.

And the guy says, well, in the DEA, we used to shoot the shit. We used to say, you know, well, you know what? Like, if you poisoned a good portion of the drugs that are out there, people would go into rehabs. You'd kill a lot of people, hardcore dealers. It's actually not a bad idea. Right. Well, he ends up going to, like, Columbia or something. He gets some, a mushroom that shuts your liver down.

Uh-huh. But you have to take it over a long period of time. He's like, that way, you can't just poison the drugs because very quickly it'll kill 12 people and they'll realize this is what it is and it'll stop. You have to do something that you can get out there in the whole community where hardcore drug users will be hit over time. And then people won't know whether they're using it or not. And eventually it'll hit the news. It'll still be out there. People won't know.

And they'll clean up because they'll be scared because Jimmy died and Tommy died and so-and-so's in the hospital. and I need to get clean because I've been taking some of the same stuff. So they do this. The whole book is designed. It's an amazing. So maybe this has been done

by the U.S. government because they're the ones that are benefiting from it, right? But these guys are dying right away. Yeah. And then there's scare out there like you were saying. That's a really good point.

But I mean, does the government even want to shut down drugs? Like, why wouldn't you? Like, just like you said, why wouldn't you just regulate it? Charge, regulate it. Like they regulated marijuana.

I don't. see people jumping off buildings like i don't see this as being a horrible thing no no this isn't changed i think it's just put a ton of money back into the into the government so you know that it works i mean other countries are doing it they're right they're regulating the prostitution too you know Amsterdam and even here you know one county so i don't get it doesn't make much sense yeah i was in the middle of uh when i went to amsterdam uh last year i was it was the middle of uh of COVID like everything oh was shut down but yeah didn't look like a horrible place No.

Look, reminded me of Venice. Yeah. It's very nice, very cool. I mean, everybody seemed nice. I didn't see a real issue.

Yeah. So. I bet they have low violence. They do have low violence. Considering the... They have low violence. They have low violence. Of course, everybody's relaxed.

Everybody's happy, relaxed. Yeah. I don't have to break into three people's houses to get enough money to buy my crack. Exactly. Just get some weed. Yeah. I agree. I think you're on to something.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm the first person to say that. Yeah, this is a dead. That horse is indeed. Yeah, yeah. So anything, any other things that you can think of that? You know, there's the stories of what people do to one another. You know, we had this chick once.

Her dad put a pillow over his head and shot himself in the head to just mask the sound, you know. And we're in there and we get there and she calls us to for the cleanup. And she insists on sitting in there and watching. And I'm like, that's fucking weird. You know, and I'm thinking, well, maybe it's closure for her. Like, she needs to see it and stuff. So she sits there, doesn't say a word, just like kind of a creepy, sits there in the corner, watches us clean it up, and then, you know, I'm pulling the bedding back and stuff,

and I find part of his jaw with a tooth in it. And she sees me grab it, and I'm getting ready to throw it in the red bag. And she goes, no, no, no, no, I want it. I'm like, wait, you want that? Nobody's asked me for that. So I was like, fuck, what do I do? And I'm like, okay, and I give it to her. And she grabs it and she walks off.

And the next day we get back to the job, you know, it's a decent-sized job, come back the next day. And she's fucking wearing it around her neck on a necklace. That's how you keep daddy with you folks. I mean, Jesus, wow, that's. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, people are very, very strange. People are fucking weird.

Yep, weird, weird. That was the first time and last time that that's happened that somebody wanted to wear it. But you know, you got like Angelina Jolie, wouldn't she wearing like a vial of blood? A blood from Billy Bob. Yeah, Billy Bob Thornton. They both wore. Yeah. So maybe that's a thing.

I don't know. But a jaw and teeth that's going to literally decompose on your, hey, baby. What's that new perfume? Decom. So there's like still stuff attached to it? Yeah. It was a piece of the jaw with the tooth. It would look like an incisor.

Yeah. And she had it on a, on a rope, like a chain. And she was proud of it. How old is this chick? 27, 28. Wow. Yeah. She's younger.

Yeah. She lived in the house? No. Oh, she didn't live in the house, but he put a, But she was there when he... Well, she's the next to kin. No, no, I'm saying she was there when he tried to kill himself? No.

Okay. No, she was there when I tried to clean it. I guess he wanted to mask the sound or whatever by putting a pillow there. But, um... Yeah, she was eccentric, to say the least. Yeah, that's a polite way to say. Yeah. Man.

So how often are you doing this? Every day. Every day. Every day, there's something. Is it just you? You have an employee, multiple employees by this point. It's grown, you know, we've got about 48 locations across the country now. Oh, I didn't realize it was.

Yeah, because I franchised it back in 2016. Okay. So Tampa is like our corporate headquarters. Right. It's one of the largest offices, of course. Right. You know, we've got media team and marketing team and financial team. know there's it's definitely grown from where it was you know I started out being by myself yeah

yeah and now we have like 21 employees in corporate and there's about 95 employees among the other locations so when did you open when did you start your YouTube channel 2019 okay and uh that was a risk right what's the name of it sorry crime scene cleaning crime scene cleaning yeah and it was a risk to start it out and why do you say that well basically you know long story short I was getting contacted back in 2012 14 from all these reality TV show

companies right in LA hey we love this business we want to make a show out of it this you know and I'm like okay and we'll follow you around we'll make a sizzle yada yada yada and they all kind of came back and said everybody loves the concept but

they think it's going to be very difficult for sponsors because they're not going to want to advertise on something that grotesque. Right. So my response was, why the fuck are you pitching it on cable? Yeah. Like, this is not a lifetime movie. Yeah, yeah.

This is Netflix, HBO, you know, Prime. So I finally, in 2019, I said, fuck it, we're going to do it ourselves. You know, YouTube was starting to, you know, get some traction and a lot of people were doing well on there. And my entire staff was like, that's a bad idea. And I'm like, why? that shit's going to come off callous it's going to be insensitive and I'm like no no no no you don't understand we're literally going to have a videographer follow our crews around just a day in the life yeah

we're going to make it educational what we do why we do it yeah I don't have to be in the middle of the crime scene making jokes no no no this is how the process right what happens like I can so I said I think it's a chance we take yeah so we did it and within the first two months we had a 100,000 subscribers. I'm like, fuck. Right. Yeah. You should have done this five years ago.

Exactly. And not listen to you, fucks. So we did it. And, you know, now we're almost at a million. Right. Subs.

We're at four and a half million on TikTok. People love to see this shit. They love the gore. Right. They love, I mean, as gross as it sounds, they want to see what it looks like when you blow your fucking brains out.

Right. And I'm pulling your eyeball out of the drywall. So what's happening with the, uh, what's happening with with advertisers like I mean the videos are

you're monetized so people are monetized our advertising oh yeah they are advertising and you know I find it um

hypocritical kind of what how YouTube formulates their algorithm because obviously our content does not meet their guidelines but they're like hey those motherfuckers

have viewers yeah so instead of giving them the normal split which you know I don't know 70 30 us 70 them 30 they just fucking reversed it they take the 70 we get the 30 and they call it limited ads yeah yeah you know so but they're still advertised oh fuck yeah there's tons of advertisers we're doing sponsorships for people uh that don't necessarily need to be aligned with cleaning

or restoration you know we've done headphones for Christ's sake um you name it we're still Hoover gave us a sponsorship to with their vacuums and stuff right but I mean the ad sense the thing about is that that YouTube's that the ad the advertisers that are that are connected with AdSense they don't know where their videos are showing up if you meet their demographic it's different than you you getting a sponsorship that's if they know it's on your show true I'm saying the AdSense true if it's AdSense like it could be like they're all they're saying is look no they're looking for demographics right we're looking for demographics if she meets this demographic

exactly they're putting on there right and our demographic is ironically 75% female really yeah between the age of 35 and 55 and that that's the remember we were talking about like that's the thing is that like true crime is like it's like 80% female yes correct but it's 80% female when it's connected to murder serial killer murder you know blood and gore right but if you have things like fraud and con men and they don't care yeah that's why mine is like male yeah it's like 95 96% um male right women are interested in the story too so what i had to do was not only say we're going to clean this up and this is how we do it we need to give them the story right what happened to this guy what kind of life did he live why did he do what he do that's what

women want they want to know the story behind it men are more like show me the fucking brains right which is anyone really surprised by that no No, look at, like, you know, horror movies. That's probably majority male because there's really not a theme there. All right, okay. You know, but if you look at like a lifetime channel, that's real, that's all female. Yeah, it's more about the story than it is the ultimate murder or whatever. And that's why these true crime channels, they're doing so well because women are tuning in and paying attention.

Yeah. Man, almost a million subscribers. Yeah. Since 2019, yeah. So, man. We should have been at a million last. year and I'm no you're not no you're not you're not always yelling at him I mean yeah yeah it's and it's Connor's fault it's Connor and Colby's fault it is you know I probably fire them immediately yeah he's like I just got here like I've been here like a year

have you been a year almost a year how'd you find him um he's uh same Colby he contacted Colby and said hey I want to get into this Colby Tyler found Colby I just One day said to Tyler, look, I want to interview people, but I want to do like three cameras like Annie does. Right, right. You know, I want to do that. Like, that's like the thing. And I was like, but I can't work the cameras.

I can't do the cameras and the switch and this and that. And I can buy the equipment. Right. He said, I'll find somebody for you. Yeah. And like two weeks later, he said, okay, can you meet this guy for breakfast at this time? Yeah. Sure.

Bam. Yeah. Oh, and Colby, like, Colby quit his job. Jesus. Colby was making like $100,000 a year as, as a working in a warehouse as a coordinator

in like a warehouse like you know the truck doing the trucks and everything and but he just he got to a point after so many years he's got a daughter he's a daughter he's a daughter he's a daughter married has a daughter

young guy and he's just like I got to that point where I was like he went to his wife and said look I don't want to do this the rest of my life yeah like it's good money but I'm at the point now where they're starting to kind of like elevate me and I'm going to get stuck making so much money that I can't back out of it.

Golden handcuffs. Yeah. And he said, so he said, I want to, this is what I want to do. I want to do YouTube. And she was like, okay, well, can we survive on that? And he said, well, let me look into it. So as soon as he kind of looked in, started looking into it,

he had a buddy that was going to hire him to run his channel. He does, has a sporting good store. Yeah. He's going to, I'll, we start something with the sporting's good. And then at the same time, Tyler came in and said, hey, here's my buddy. you know you got to talk to Matt so so now I think he's making he said he's making way more than he was making before after what's like six months to a year he's making more money now than he was making at the other job doing what he likes to do yeah so good for him so good exactly I

love stories where that's the perfect scenario it is when not only you're doing better than you were financially but you're doing what you love yeah I you know look like just doing the YouTube and everything in general like I said when I was in prison I was I was whole I was perfectly happy living in someone's spare room just being able to do things that make me happy yeah instead of spending the rest of my life chasing money yeah doing something that sucks that i don't really that's a struggle to get out of bed to do right and you know the thing that i really like doing you know is bank fraud yeah but the judge was very serious the judge made it clear you can't even work for a title company you can't do that again yeah and so can you even work in the financial sector no i can't work

in finance. I can't work in real estate. I can't work in construction or development. Damn. But, you know, so now that what I love doing is just talking about. Like when somebody hires me to do a speaking engagement and, you know, one, you get to fly across the country. You know, that's always fun. So you fly somewhere and then you go and you give an hour long talk. And of course, there's usually like a dinner after or something beforehand. So it's a few hours. You get to talk about all the things that I've done, and especially if I talk to people in the industry, then they have stories, and we can have the stories. Right.

And I don't have to, there's no chance I'm going to jail for that, which is a plus. And then I get to write true crime stories and I get to interview people like you, which is, you know, super interesting because, you know, if you wanted to interview Jordan Peterson, for example, that might be interesting, but the truth is there's 5,000 videos on him already. But there's not 5,000 videos on someone in your line of work. There's not somebody that, like that to me is unique. Even in prison, when I was writing guys stories, like a lot of these guys have trash. You talk to some drug dealer who's in there.

And you talk to some guy who's like, I was raised in the project. My mom was a prostitute. My dad was in prison. I started selling drugs. Of course. And the problem with that story is it's a good story. He's got snitches and. and bad cops and double crosses.

And he's got a great story, but it's not unique. I can sit there and listen to it. There's a thousand other guys on this compound with that story. So what I would focus on is what can I, who can I talk to that has a different story. It's still a crime story. So it's, it's Ephraim Devoroli. It's the gun runner. Yeah.

It's, you know, it's a guy who's, maybe the meth lab who's, but he's doing in penthouses in Beverly Hills. I find that fascinating. All of their different histories, what got them to where they went, I just, I find it fascinating. Yeah, that's me too. Like, I love talking to those guys. Yeah. It's not that the crack dealer doesn't have a great story, but it's not unique enough for me to, I've heard it a thousand times.

Yeah. The difference, I think, is when the empathy that I actually had for these drug dealers, these street-level drug dealers, it's like when you give them no education, no path to do anything else, they don't know. any different. What did you think was going to happen? Of course. I would do the same thing. Yeah, this is what's available to me. Everybody I know is doing it.

Everybody I knows in drugs. It doesn't have a horrible stigma in my neighborhood or my family. Right. And if I go to prison, people will put money on my books and they'll come visit me. And this is. Yeah. Yeah, it's a cycle. And I think they're focusing on the wrong problem.

Let's go after drugs, drugs. No, it's way before that. Like, why are, it's a. supply and demand issue, right? Just like any business. So why aren't we focused on what's causing the demand to begin with? Right. Yeah.

I think that's the problem. And, you know, the stigma is, wow, if you're a young black male and you're poor, your choice is to work at the 7-Eleven or deal drugs and actually be able to feed your family. Right. Yeah. Who wouldn't choose that? I mean, come on. Well, you and I aren't going to fix the problem right this second.

So. We should, though. we'll work on it later um all right so um so you've got the youtube channel yep you've got i said i had no idea you were you had franchised this thing and you were all over your yeah what do you do for the franchise what do you do you train the people do you provide them with all the train them provide the marketing um the call center the you know just the infrastructure is in sense because what what you're doing is people are buying business in a box they don't want to go through the shit that I went through starting out, you know, printing your own

fucking business cards with perforations on the bottom. So they want a business in a box and we're giving it to them. We're saying here, here's the system in the process. Follow it. You will be successful just like we are. Right. And that's essentially the secret sauce to every franchise in the world. So you're McDonaldizing it. And so do they pay a franchise fee or? They buy a territory, you know, of 500,000 people. So you say you got a city like, you know, L.A., that's a big city. You probably got 10 franchisees that could be in that particular area. And then they pay us a royalty on every, a percentage on every job that they do.

So do all of them do the same thing? Do they all do like the meth lab cleanup? Yep. They all do the same. They have to do all of the services that we provide. Okay. And to do the, like, do they have to go get certified themselves? We train them.

Okay, so you have a training, like a training school? Yeah, we have a training school right there in Tampa, Ebor. Oh, okay. We actually have simulated crime scenes, too. Oh, okay. So we created like a 10 by 10 room with drywall. We put carpet sometimes. We put LVP, you know, the plank flooring sometimes, and we use pig's blood.

And we just simulate a normal crime scene, and that's how we teach them how to clean this. stuff okay um do you do you record do you have like a thing on your youtube channel do you ever you kind of go through the whole process and we record the whole thing you know we really want to see what their reaction is to being in that environment do people not do well i mean you know most people do very very well we've had one guy that puked right that he was just like man but you know you're supposed to wear a respirator that's that's the whole point see you don't smell the stuff yeah huh i was just thinking um but it looks freaking realistic Right.

You know, we've got couches and beds and living rooms and sometimes we do vehicles. We'll get vehicles donated to us. And I'll go get this gallon of pig's blood and I'll sit it in the sun and I'll let it start coagulating. These guys are like, yeah. And it looks like a human fucking liver when it's coming out, you know, and I'll let the flies get in there and lay their eggs and the maggots. And, you know, we let it. But you get desensis. ties to this right like at some point like if you walk into a yeah if you walk into it you don't you're just

like yeah i can eat a hamburger right in the middle of it yeah yeah yeah that needs to be the clip yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's yeah it was uh there was I read like an article about psychopaths and what businesses psychopaths go into like what has the largest

percentage of psychopat like it was CEOs was like one of the largest yeah CEOs well they also fall in like you know so antisocial behavior in general follow up but yeah but narcissists so sociopaths and narcissism a lot of times goes hand to hand so you have it was C.E.

and then the next one was like surgeons like doctors and surgeons because to be a surgeon oh yeah but to be a surgeon it's godlike into somebody to cut into something like to me if you said matt i'm i'm paying you to cut into me here's your scalpel i would have a hard time physically cutting into somebody just would freak me out um but and i'm pretty much a sociopath anyway but i'd have a hard time so in general like that it's funny so i'm wondering like people that say hey i'm going to go into this business you know they might i wonder if they're going into it because they're like it won't affect me or they're saying no i can easily handle it are some people just easily handling it no big deal yeah but i think it's it's uh everyone has a morbid curiosity so we get people slow down

at car accidents yeah like they're rubber neck in it looking at you know it just kills me i'm like hey what happened they're like almost stopping yeah we want to see an arm yeah we want to see you know a decapitation or something move the blanket yeah but i think you know know we get a lot of messages from followers and fans on the on social media that are how do we get a job with you guys this looks amazing like who does that you know like I look at a lobster commercial I'm like now that looks amazing but I don't want to fucking work there right but these people are like hey I'm enamored with death yeah and destruction and I want to work there and I'm like hey you're hired yeah yeah yeah exactly or you know work with us

But a lot of people, it's not, it may look glamorous. I can't imagine how it would look glamorous. But in reality, it's fucking hard work. You're wearing a Tyvec suit, a respirator, which is like breathing through a straw. It's 110 fucking degrees in Florida. Right. You're sweating your tits off. And it's not, it's not glamorous by any means.

You're miserable while you're doing it. And once they get into the reality of it, they're like, oh, yeah. It's a lot of work. I'd rather, you know, go and eat a Big Mac than sit here and sweat my tits off. Yeah. Well, I think that's most things. The glamour. Like, you see the best part of it.

You realize, oh, wait a second. This is a lot of work. Yeah, but I think it's all mindset. So what I do is I look at it as a mess. For me, it is no different than if somebody just took a cord of motor oil and poured in your living room, I would treat it exactly the same as I treat blood. It's just a mess to me. Because remember, the human is not there.

Yeah. They're gone. Yeah. I mean, maybe some parts are left. But for the most part, I don't know who you are. I don't know what you look like. I don't know anything about you. I don't know your name.

Sometimes I don't even know your fucking gender. Right. You know, they won't even tell me. They'll just be like, hey, you know, clean up on aisle nine. Right. Okay. We're in there cleaning it up. I don't ask questions.

When you're done, you probably have a feeling of satisfaction, right? Huge. Huge. Because I'm a big kind of before and after person. And this is kind of why I love. flipping houses and remodeling because I want to see a transition and the best satisfaction to me

is for somebody to come in and go where did it happen that's perfect for me so it's funny because like when I was on the run I had plenty of money I was still flipping houses I would still buy a house clean it up fix it up you know do the whole thing it's like well why are you doing that it's like well I have to do something like yeah but of all the things

you could do, why would you do that? I'm like, I like it. Like, I would go in, I can pay someone to hire, to lay the wood floors. I like laying the wood floors. I could pay someone to put in the French doors, but I like that. Yeah. Like, so there were certain things I'm like, no, no, I'm going to do the tile work. And they're like, um, okay.

Yeah. Are you sure? Like, have you ever done it before? I'm like, yeah. Like, I enjoy doing it. So I would do those things. Um, and I was talking to Danny one time. He was talking about painting.

Like, do you like painting? I was like, yeah. I was like, and he's like, So you like it. So you like the like, what do you like about it? I'm like it when it's done. Yeah. Like the actual going through the process of it.

I enjoy that the process. Do you find it therapeutic? I do. Very calming to you. Like time goes by. I feel the same way about writing. Yeah. Like I'll start writing.

I'll wake up before in the morning or something. I'm down here and this and that. And I feel like I haven't done anything. And all of a sudden, I've written a couple paragraphs. And I'll look, turn around. Jess is making coffee. And I'm like, what are you doing up so early? And she's like, it's fire.

45, like you've been up for almost two hours. We've got to go to the gym soon. I'm like, I feel like I've been here 10 minutes. Yeah, yeah. And it's the same thing with painting. Like three hours we'll go by like that. People say, how long do it take you to do that? And I'm always like, I'm not, you know, I can't really even tell you because the time passes so quickly for me.

But I was explaining that to Danny from Concrete. Uh-huh. And he said, I go, don't you have anything like that? And he goes, he's not really. And I went, wait a minute. I go, do you mow your own yard? He goes, yeah. And I go, when you're done mowing your yard and it's done and the mowers off and it's put up and you walk out, I go and you look at the yard, do you have a feeling of satisfaction? He goes, I love that. Yeah. And I said, I feel that all the time. All the time. Yeah. And he was like, he goes, do you know what I do? And I go, I actually watch TikToks of people mowing yards. And I go, no, you don't. He goes, absolutely. So we'll probably once a week, he'll send me a TikTok of some guy that's completely finished a yard.

It's like a time lapse. It's so satisfying. And he's like, he's like, I love this. Yeah. I love, look at the, look at all the wines. Yeah. What do you do with the wine? Even ironing.

Everyone hates ironing. I love it. Yeah. But when you're done, yeah, it's great. It's like that. It's awesome. I did that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. Yeah. I don't think most, I think if you work in the, if you work in the warehouse in Walmart or you're a cashier, I don't think you ever get that satisfaction. No.

And maybe they don't need that satisfaction. I don't know if everyone needs it, what we have. But when you find it, like, your painting is my cleaning or remodeling. Right. That's why to me, like what I was saying, like, I'm okay. If I wasn't making a living doing this enough to have a nice house and a nice car, whatever, you know, and like I said, you know, like buying a couple tickets and going to, you know, like buying a couple tickets and going to, you know, Hollywood or Hollywood. a Halloween horror nights or something. Like, you know, that would, like, I'm lucky.

Like, I feel grateful that I'm in a position, like, if Jess said, hey, let's go to dinner tonight, they'd be like, I'm not going to be like, I don't know, we're strapped. Like, I can go. Right. But if it was, if I was strapped and I had to stay in someone's spare room, I would still be doing exactly what I'm doing. Yeah. Like, because this is better than all that other stuff.

Yeah. Well, I mean, they say, you know, if you enjoy what you do, you'll never work a day in your life. And eventually the money will come. I agree. But, you know, I would rather do what I love for $20,000 a year than do something I fucking hate for a million a year. Yeah. I just. I think that's what Colby.

That was the problem of what Colby was doing. And luckily, it's worked out. And that's something my dad always said. He said, look, you know, don't do it for the money. Yes. Because if you're good at it and you love it, the money will come. It will. So don't focus on that.

You know, and he was. I agree with that. I agree with that. He was a ducsag in a lot of ways. But in that sense, he was right. Yeah. Is he still alive? No.

No. He died when I was in prison. Oh, did he? Okay. Would he visit you in prison? He visited me a few times in prison, a few times. My mom came every two weeks, but he came maybe three times. Wow, your mom came every two weeks.

Every two weeks for when I was at Coleman for 12 years. Oh, you were at Coleman? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I was in the county jail for a year, so she didn't do that, at that period. She came a few times. But when I got to Coleman, it was every two weeks.

No shit. I think she missed a month one time when she had her show. stroke. Oh, wow. That's a good mom right there. Yeah, she was, she was a, she was a gangster. Wow. Yeah, my mom was a thug. What was the worst part of prison? Because you were a lot of years in there. So you had time to adapt? Yeah. It's, you know, it's, it's funny because, like, probably the worst things. I heard the food's great. You know what's so? We know the problem with the, the food is? that, you know, it wasn't great, but I never expected it to be great. Like, like, when we did, like, but, I mean, like, oh, you'd be shocked how these guys complained.

Are you serious? Oh, you fucking believe they were serving us this shit. It's like, well, wait a second. Like, it's a fucking Mitchland, you know, restaurant. Yeah, I was like, bro, like, when you were selling crack on the corner, you were robbing banks, did you think, well, if I get arrested and go to prison for 10 years, at least they'll serve me good food? Like, no. I thought, I'd saw Shawshund. Swap. Like it's gray.

Exactly. It's a gray thing that you're going to eat. Maybe it has some maggots in it. You'll get used to it. Pick them out. And that's what I genuinely thought. So when I first got there, I was amazed at how good the food was. Wow. You know, and the problem is it's very repetitious. Oh, you get the same thing like every Monday, every Tuesday. Kind of like there. There's more like a three week cycle. Oh, okay. So you do get a lot of the same stuff. And there were some meals where you're like, eh, I used to say, they'd be like, this meal, this fucking sucks. And I'd be like, that's a challenging meal.

Yeah. Was it enough, though, to fill you up? It was enough. So, first of all, I'd say 30% of the meals were not only acceptable, they were good. Wow. Like fried chicken, pizza. Yeah. You know, like they had hamburger day.

Wow. You got french fries. You know, look, where they- It's like summer camp guys? Right. Were they crispy french fries from McDonald's? No, they weren't. But you're in prison.

Right. Suck it up. Yeah. You know, but so there were, and then there were some meals where it was like, like, I didn't like this meal, but like it was, you know, rice and beans. Like, I don't like it, but the Mexican guys love it. Yeah, right. You know, so that wasn't my meal. Right.

Sometimes they served liver. Guys would have tons of liver. I can't stand liver. Yeah. But there were guys like, bro, liver. You're going to eat your liver cock? Oh, my God. Yeah.

Like, here, take it. And there's a thing. You can eat out of your locker. Like you go to, well, you can go to commissary, so you can get a soup. Okay. You know, you can buy soups. You can buy some stuff from commissary if you have a job or people send you money or something. So if you don't like it, well, then you'd say, well, go down to your locker.

So it's not just candy bars at the commissary. No, no. There's other stuff as well. Oh, no, there's other stuff. Okay. So anyway, you know, I would say that the food was much better than I thought, much better than I thought. You know, it's not perfect. But, and listen, and this is another thing kills it.

Like, they give you, they call them holiday meals, right? For like Thanksgiving. Yeah. This is like, this is like your mom made Thanksgiving. stuffing the whole bit yeah sick to your stomach so much food that it's it's insane same thing with you know christmas same thing with you know listen they it was so funny for like Halloween and stuff yeah like oh not Halloween for um I think it was like New Year's like they would literally close the units down and they they have you come out in a line and you go and you get cookies and you get hot

chocolate holy shit and I would sit there and I would sit there and I I think, and guys would be like, man, you're going to go get your hot chocolate. Man, that's a bullshit. I'm like, bet you're going to be in the line. Yeah, exactly. And they're like, first of all, it's humiliating, but secondly, you don't deserve that. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, this is insane. They give you a Christmas bag. They give you a, you know what a Christmas bag is a bag. Christmas bag is a bag, and they give you like potato chip, little different types of potato chips you can't buy. Yeah. And they'll give you different stuff. And guys would complain. Oh, my God.

When I got, first got locked up, we used to get two of these. They were twice as big. And then it would go down to one. Now the bag's half as big. Uh-huh. Bro, you're a big cropper. Yeah, exactly. They're giving you a Christmas bag.

Uh-huh. They have a Christmas tree in the unit. Oh, my God. Listen, one time, one time they didn't put the Christmas tree up in the unit. They weren't going to. And so I said to the, the head orally was a, he was a biker. Yeah. he didn't want to do it

and I went bro where's the Christmas tree he's like yeah we're not doing I ain't doing that shit and I went what do you mean you're not doing it he's like I'm not doing it and he was why

he's we're in prison I went first of all I said you're leaving in a year yeah I said I'm gonna be here a long time I said and guys used to do this too

where I'd say hey well where do you live and they'd be like well I live in Tampa bro you've been here 10 years you got another five years to go you live in B3 yeah

like you can tell yourself you say my house yeah listen i lived in before yeah so i'm like i live here i want i want the christmas tree yeah i got i went to the counselor and i said look i want the christmas tree up why don't have a christmas tree and they'd be like well they don't want to put it up like who billy yeah billy the jackass with the with the handlebar mustache so can i put it up yeah i said i i live here i want to see the christmas tree right and she goes fucking cox she said listen you get as on some i 18 get excited this is big for the summer's biggest advantage for the summer's biggest

I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited. Sorry. Smurfs. Only date is July 18th. Book club on Monday. Gym on Tuesday. Date night on Wednesday.

Out on the town on Thursday. Quiet night in on Friday. It's good to have a routine. And it's good for your eyes too. Because with regular comprehensive eye, exams at Specsavers, you'll know just how healthy they are. Visit Spexavers.caver's to book your next eye exam. I'm provided by independent optometrists. Many people, she's, I'm leaving in an hour. You have as many people in the unit want,

and if there's enough people that ask for it, I'll put it up. I had like 20, 25 guys go and knock on the door and go, Christmas tree. Guys were like, I'm not doing that. I go, bro, you ever want anything from me. Yeah. You need to go. They'd like, you fucking dick. And then they'd go and they'd knock on the thing. Listen, we got the Christmas tree, bro. Yeah, good. stupid right but not really yeah but it's you know that's your home right now they have mp3 players there yeah that cuts i swear that cuts 30% of your time off by having music yeah you get to walk the track you get to listen to it all the problem is too when you check it in and out that type thing no no you can buy it oh okay download they sell you music for a dollar 33 a download for

your music well that's what we fucking pay on iTunes oh is it yeah oh the This is, I would say it was expensive because they always say that it was like, it's expensive when you have $5 in your fucking account. Yeah. Yeah, then it is. Yeah. So you did that and you could listen to the music. And that's, it's big because it's so loud in prison.

People are always like, oh, it's lonely and it's quiet. No, it's not. Yeah, it's low. For a loneliness. You know, I was shocked to find out there's a whole dating online thing with inmates and people outside. Yeah. We actually had a fucking employee, a. a cleanup tech that sought out a guy at Coleman.

Okay. Ended up marrying that motherfucker when he got out. Had a kid with him. And then, of course, now they're divorced. But she was like 47 and he was like 23. Yeah, that could see that happening. I didn't know that you guys could do the dating thing online. Yeah, well, you have somebody else kind of do it.

You write a profile. Somebody else puts you on there's like pin pal, whatever. Yeah. And then they get on. links and so core links is the email system so you basically send it's almost like a text message like you know you send an email then they go on the they get it then they can type something and they can send it back to you and um they can come and visit yeah she did that yeah she came and visited eventually they got married she put money on his book a lot of guys will pretend yeah just to get the money

super interested right uh in some woman so that she's putting a but let's be honest what what does it take for a woman that's in the free world to seek out a guy that's incarcerated for many, many years. Yeah. What is she really looking for? I mean, it's probably very safe to her. Like, you know, she's got it. She can say she has a boyfriend.

He doesn't take a lot of time. She needs her. You know, it's semi-companionship. But there's also just weirdos where there are women in prison who are contacted by guys that literally want to date a woman in prison. They're fascinated by their crime. They're fascinated by that she's locked up. The prison panty thing.

I found out about that too. They love that shit. There's a lot of shit, man. People are disturbed. You know that more than anybody. People are weirdos. They've got some crazy fetishes. It just seems like, you know, these women are so desperate for a relationship and they're

tired of getting fucked over. So they feel like a guy that's incarcerated is safe. It's not. only safe but has their undivided attention oh and no doubt that's what it is well and then think about it too and then they get out and they think they're going to be um loyal oh yeah and they're not fuck now this guy's a he's his comeback he's his comeback he was a drug dealer you know what's funny is so i was on a program called american greed uh-huh this is i love that show okay you've been on that yeah they did a one hour special door i love it uh and it's all here in tampa yeah because

it was ebor city no shit where i did i bought 109 house is in Inbor City. Oh, I love it. You probably bought some that I own now. Maybe. Kind of owned a bunch on Columbus. Yeah, that's where mine is. Columbus and Ninth.

Yeah, I owned, like, five or six houses on Amelia Street. Mm-hmm. So you've never heard this one, Connor. You're going to like this. I had a guy. So, first of all, let me tell you. SIS is like the FBI inside prison. Like, they investigate the other officers.

They investigate more complex crimes. So, I, after I've been locked up, I'll wrap it up. After I've been locked up, I came out on American Greed, did a one-hour special. I started getting letters from a guy, and he said his name, Ted Underhill. I don't know if Ted Underhill is a famous character by Chevy Chase. It's just, it's ridiculous, right? Underhill and such and such, you know, law firm, whatever. So the guy writes me a letter and says, Dear Mr.

talks. He said he was a lawyer. They've taken up my case. They've appealed to the, you know, everything about, everything about the letter was wrong. Yeah. The district court has said, okay, well, there's no district court. And the D.A. There's no D.A. It's a U.S. attorney. Everything's wrong. And he just, for two, for two pages, he went on and on about how he was going to get my, how they were going to have this, this, a model that was had, that it was in factuary. She was going to be waiting in a limo when I got out. Like, he was so just stupid. Yeah. So I read the whole thing and I'm kind of like laughing about it. And then in like the last paragraph or two, he says, you'll no longer have to eat food where the inmates have masturbated into the food and you're eating toenails. You'll no longer have to be subject to rapes. And don't worry. Don't worry.

The model loves the fact that you look like a monkey. And I would and don't be, don't be offended by that. He said lots of people look like monkeys. It's not a big deal. Like he really like, what the fuck? But I'm reading this letter. Like, it's already ridiculous. Yeah.

Here's the funny thing about it is I take a letter and I'm like, this is ridiculous. Yeah. You know, I put in my locker. Yeah, yeah. About a month later, I get another letter. From the same guy. Yeah. Good news.

Your appeal's going well. We've spoken with the judge. You know, he's agreed to knock off this much time, blah, blah, blah, blah. Writes that letter. You'll be released. Your new release date is next year. We're trying to get you into a halfway house now book. Once again, starts talking about toenails in the food and, you know, I put the letter up.

A month later, I get another letter. And it says, unfortunately, they've charged me with another crime and they've added an additional 50 years. Although my sentence was reduced, they've added. This goes on for, you know, he did miss a month or two. Yeah. Two, three years. I have like, I ended with like 30 letters. Wow.

So one day I get a call to. S-I-S. And I go there to S-I-S and I knock on the door and it's a guy named Saccone. I remember Sacon goes, he said, Cox, we got a really disturbing letter in the mail. And he has it and he goes, it looks like this guy may have been writing you. Do you know who this is? And I go, Underhill.

That's Ted Underhill. And he goes, do you know him? And I went, no, no, I don't know him. I assume he saw one of these programs. He talks about my victims. and how they're going to at this point he's gonna they're going to to kidnap me and and and there's a plot to kill me yeah yeah yeah they talk to the FBI for me and and I'm like you know it's Ted and I go through the whole thing and he goes I mean he's talking about you being hurt and them

kidnapping you and doing this he's like and he goes you have other letters like this if I go yeah I have about like 20 or 30 of them I've kept I've kept almost all of them and he went you don't like Sacoan was a really cool guy. He goes, you don't have to put up with this. And I go, nah, bro. I said, it's okay. I said, it's like we're doing time together. I said, he's down for me, right?

Like, it's like, we're, I said, it's good. He goes, he goes, do you ever write them back? I said, no. I said, it's different addresses. There's obviously, the letters come back. Because I did write him one time and the letter came back. I said, but I said, this guy's doing time with me. Uh-huh.

Like, we're, he's, he's in this with me. And he goes, he's starting. The Rastikos like, are you crazy? And I'm like, no, I said, it's funny because I get the letters. Just read the part about the monkey? Yeah. And he's like, he said, you look like a monkey. I said, I know, it's funny.

And he's like, the cone's like, okay, I don't. Can I have the letter? I'm going to add it to my collection. And he's like, I, yeah, if you want the letter. So you never found out who it was. No, he eventually, he stopped writing one time for six months. I probably had ended up with 20 or 30 letters. Wow.

I don't know what happened to letters either, but they were hilarious. But there are weirdos. Yeah. Oh, I got letters from girls that had seen. Oh, I'm sure. And wanted to communicate with me. I never wrote them back. You know, I had, I did have one guy who said he wanted me to draw something for him and said he'd put money on my books if I did.

Ooh. He put, he ended up putting like 50 bucks on my books. And then I sent him a picture. And he came back. He said, could you do another one in color? I said, yeah, the problem is you need color pencils. Yeah. this and he said how much would that be i said i'd be a couple hundred bucks so he goes okay

he put $200 on my books and um would you draw for him i drew a picture of uh i drew a picture it was kind of a kind of like um did you ever see um oh god it's faith i actually have a picture over there it's a metropolis yeah yeah the robot from metropolis okay okay different designs like it wasn't anything that's what he requested he wanted that okay and then And then you think he wanted a picture of Madonna. I think he was gay because he mentioned Madonna like three times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, he loves Madonna, just a little odd.

And when I read the letters mentally in my head, I could hear a lisp. Nice guy, though. Yeah. Put the money on my books. And I remember I had a friend who in there. He's like, bro, what if this guy, like, wants to come see you? And I go, he can come see me. Yeah, he goes, yeah, but I go, he's putting money on my books.

I got a lot of time, bro. Yeah. And he goes, what? what if what if he like wants like like a hug or something and I go it's just a hug I got a lot of time he's putting money he goes what if he wants a kiss and I go I mean it's just a kiss I mean what if it's more than what if he wants like maybe to make out or something I go I got a lot time okay that's awesome he was like you're a sick sick that's awesome but he eventually uh he dropped off too yeah well they all do they can't do the time for that long right no no they can't do

but they can't do my time in their living room. My God. And, you know, everybody thinks that rapes are rampant. Oh, in prison? And my experience, which is not, you know, which is limited, they're not. No, no. Not at all. No.

It's also like that you have to join a gang. Yeah. And you're going to get stabbed and you're going to stop it. Yeah. And look, there are prisons. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Yeah. I think federal might be safer than.

Definitely. Yeah. Federal space is way safer than state. And every state is different. Like California state prisons are horribly notorious for extreme violence and gangs and rapes. Yeah. I think the differences, and I always say this, like the problem with most federal prisons is that if you get stabbed in federal prison or in prison in general, like you had it coming. Like they didn't just randomly stab you.

Like you ran up a debt. You didn't pay. Yeah. They probably came to you and said, look, you owe Tom 400 bucks. You've been gambling. You owe him $400. You have to either work out a deal to pay it somehow or make payments or you have to check in and go to another prison. And guys, oh, fuck him, he ain't going to do nothing.

Okay. Now, he's not going to sue you. Yeah. You're going to get stabbed you. He's going to stab you. And the other thing is like, and rape, like, there's tons of gay guys in prison. So they don't need to rape anybody. You need to buy the guy of a new pair of tennis shoes.

Right. He's now your boyfriend. Right. Like, that's it. It's not a big deal. How many of the guards are dirty? So when I was there, I would say not many. Not that there weren't some.

Look, to do some real damage, they're going to be 50 guards that have two of them are dirty. They can be bringing in cell phones and drugs. Like, it could really make things a problem for the rest of the institution in general. Problem is after COVID, they went through and they asked a lot of the guards that have been there for a long time to please retire. So they retired and they hired new guards at a much lower rate. The problem with those guards is the senior guard in Coleman Lowe right now has like two years experience. He doesn't know how things work the way this guy who's been doing it for 15 years.

Right, right. So he's not on top of it. And they're not making very much money at all. Well, that's why I find. Well, they're, yeah, they're ripe for. supposedly there was a shakedown at the low a couple months ago they pulled like 200 phones this 1800 guys they got like 200 cell phones wow 1800 guys it's insane my buddy pete said oh if you want a cell phone he goes you can get a cell phone like this it's not it's not a joke you could you can make a call

you can get a call you can text people you think that they would block the cell towers though around the present then that interferes yeah with the guards yeah it's you know so cell phones drugs easy to get yeah yeah yeah so obviously there's guards bringing those in yeah yeah yeah so now it's worse than worse than ever when I was it but then again I don't you know I wasn't trying to use a yeah yeah yeah and I had multiple times guys offer me if you need a cell phone or if you need to use one yeah I'm good yeah I don't have anybody I want to text or call I'm not interested in getting tied up in that and then of course you've got your number in the history now now they check it against your phone record like oh you obviously somebody's calling somebody on your right go to the

for 30 days or 60 days or but um back to you you're way more interesting no Connor hates me like like everybody like guys people come on the show and they think I'm entertaining and funny everything and half the time I'll glance at Connor he just he's disgusted by me Connor's not easily impressed no he's not he's not he's over me at the I think the first month or two he thought hey pretty interesting guy yeah after a year he's like he's like I've heard all these fucking stories I'm over it a douchebag yeah it's like my girlfriend she's not impressed anymore yeah she's like okay you're something different then you got about 10 hours of entertainment in yeah and then it's

just I'm over it yeah at this one um yeah so that's it or unless you can you think of anything else you want people to go to your channel not that anything anything this is much more I don't want to get more involved in it. Oh, yeah. Like the training stuff? Yeah. So it's much more relaxed than these guys thought. Yeah.

This is definitely different. Danny will be better. Danny will be better. Danny's more professional. He has like a real studio. He's got real stuff. He's like a, you know, he's better at it. He's like.

We got two black, two black, tarps and we used to run the podcast talking decon. Yeah. We have two black tarps and then these mics and we take it up,

take it down. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing how professional this comes off. Totally. Like, when you go to the channel and look at it, you're like,

wow, like, oh, they're in a studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's what you make it look like. Yeah, this is way more than we had. So you want to talk, people getting involved in? Yeah, so like, you know,

not everybody wants to own. a franchise. Right. Maybe some people just want to learn how to do crime scene cleanup and do it as a side gig or do it on their own. And so, yeah, just like I did. So what I did is I created courses online. They can just take the course and I teach them how to do everything that they need to know. It's, you know, crime scene cleaning.com. That's it. Dot what is it? Thinkific. That's a teaching platform. Okay. Um, you can put any courses on there. You can, hey, how do you do mortgage fraud? Right. Make a course on that. Probably fucking sell out. So can you get certified?

Yeah, so there's no, like, national certification for this type of thing. Right. So we give you a certification that same we give our franchisees. Yeah. And, you know, contracts, how to market. This business is hard to market, which you can imagine. You buy one, get one free, dead body. Yeah.

Yeah, so, okay. What about the, it's the same, you don't get a certificate? To clean up, like, meth labs, you don't get, you get like a certain, there's not a national. thing wow isn't that crazy yeah yeah uh okay you have to have a license to give a person a mortgage but you don't have to have a license to clean up a meth lab yeah isn't that crazy it's all about the money yeah okay all right yeah you can find the courses and your youtube channel uh yeah the youtube like i said if you if you like that type of stuff it's it's uncensored so if you if you're squeamish, maybe not for you, but, you know, just go to YouTube on crime scene cleaning,

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