Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Baby-Faced Kingpin | The Rise and Fall of a W@@D Empire

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

The Baby-Faced Kingpin | The Rise and Fall of a W@@D Empire

I just always wanted to be, like, a criminal, you know? All right, so in New York, growing up, good kid, doesn't sound like it. I started selling when I was 12. You made kids sound like, I held off. Yeah, I held off those 12th. Not like those other kids. I actually got caught, and the cop said to me, he's like, you're 12 years old selling, you're going to be 13 selling.

I'm a dealer now. And I had these customers that were heads. Like, they'd buy a half at 1 o'clock, call me at 3 for another half, And then at five for like another half. I love the guys that say, like, listen, if I come back, don't sell to me because only money I got left is my rent money. Typically, what's the only do is they take the rent money and they go, you're going to come up with it, bro.

You'll be all right. I wasn't that ruthless. I would at least put up a fight. No, I can't take your rent money. No. No. Okay. We give the material to the kid to make this.

My partner comes back and he's like, bro, it only, it only. yielded like under one and a half percent. So I knew that they were both. So I get with my buddy and I was like, send your people over there. Who's his people? I didn't want to know. They weren't bad people. They were really bad people. Okay. So they go up to the front door and they have, you know, and they knock on the door. The kid was inside. He's got his and somehow, one of the guys that I sent there got. Oh, that's, that's not good. No, it was bad. Not so much fun when the rabbits got the gun.

She calls the cops. They, like, show up to my house. I have my house there. I have the cold room in the garage. I can't have the cops showing up to my house. I'm like, what are you thinking? Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Dave Ostraff. He is a cannabis cultivator and narcotics distributor.

And we're going to be interviewing him for Inside True Crime and check out the video. I was born and raised in Albany, just outside of Albany, New York. Okay. Yeah. So I'm a New Yorker. But you're in Colorado now? Yeah. We'll get there.

Okay. Yeah, my dad's Ukrainian Jew. My mom's Italian. So I'm a pizza bagel. Right. I can see that. Yeah. Yeah, right.

So, yeah, I grew up, like, just super fascinating. did in La Cosa Nostra and the kosher Nostra, which is the Jewish mob. Have you heard that before? No. You never heard that? No, I was actually just thinking that a pizza bagel sounds good. I was like, that's... Never heard that either?

Not bad. Yeah, like I wouldn't mind one. I love Brett. Yeah, anyway. Anyways, yeah, so, you know, I idolized, like, Lucky Luciano and Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky and those guys. Right. And I just always wanted to be like a bad guy, like a criminal, you know?

I mean, I thought it was like a normal thing, but I guess it's not. It is for some people. Yeah. Right. A lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, one percent of society. Right. That's the one percent that got caught. So, yeah. Yeah. So I think there's something like, um, 25 percent of Americans have like felony conviction or

something. I remember the number was outrageous. Oh, I believe it. It's 1% that's currently incarcerated. Currently incarcerated in some type of, yeah, incarceration. Which is a lot. Yeah, well, 350 million people. That's like, what, three and a half million people?

That's a lot of people. A lot. Yeah. So, there's the intercom. That's fine. It adds to the allure. Oh, absolutely. So.

All right, so in New York, growing up, Yep. Good kid? Doesn't sound like it. No. Not that I wasn't the worst kid, but, you know, I didn't really respect authority or the rules. I got in trouble here and there. But, I mean, I didn't, yeah, I was going to say I didn't start selling weed until I was 12, but I started selling weed when I was 12.

That's that funny. You make it sound like I held off. Yeah, I held off. Not like those other kids. Yeah. He's selling wheat at 12. Yeah. I mean, at 12, you know, I didn't feel like I was like, looking back, it's crazy to think.

Like, 12 is like a child. And, but at the time, I'm like, you know, I'm fucking, you know, badass. I'm a gangster. Yeah, I'm a gangster. So, yeah, I started selling weed when I'm 12. I'm a little young for my grades. So I was in eighth grade at this point. um so i'm not quite in high school yet and i remember it was 12 because i actually got caught

by the police when i was 12 i had like a bunch of bags weighed out and a scale and the cop said to me he's like you're 12 years old selling weed you're going to be 13 selling crack in albany and what does that go for right yeah i was like i'm like hard on that but um yeah so i mean he wasn't wrong but his time lines. I didn't start selling coat cells. All right. So, yeah, so 13, I get to high school. I start selling weed to like the upperclassmen, you know, as I was like the weed guy. I'd come to school every day with a bunch of bags, weighed out and a scale and just sell weed in the bathroom. And like my dad sold weed. Like my three siblings all grew and, you know,

know, I come from like a family of growers. I'm giving them above your environment. Yeah, like my dad went to school in New Mexico. He played for the baseball for the University of New Mexico Lobos. And he drove trucks for my grandpa's carpet business. So he ended up meeting this kid in his English class, who was a cartel, and came up that my dad knew how I drive trucks. And the kid's like, you want a job?

My dad's like, yeah, sure. So my dad starts driving these trucks down to Mexico full of cash. And then he'd go to this warehouse full of drugs and load it up. And he got, this is in the 60s. He got 17 grand and a kilo for every run he did. So he was that was when he was at college. That was in the 60s where they were probably waving cars through too. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, well, they would pay off the fucking order. You know what I mean? Like these guys were the real. deal. But they started robbing the trucks so my dad had to go with a bodyguard and he's like, fuck this, I'm out.

He's like, I'm not getting paid enough for this. Right. He got a nice sports car with it and you know, he did good. Then he moved on this five acre property on the Rio Grande and him and his friends they planted four acres

of weed and set up like irrigation system and everything and that he is that was how it all started I guess and then my siblings are all like a lot older than me so I I knew at this point when I'm 13 that that's what they did um I knew that's what I wanted to do eventually and so I ended up dropping out of high school at 16 and my dad let me start growing weed in the basement and that was all down well it went uphill a little bit but most of down hell from there um so i drop out i go and get my gd like a month later um didn't study or anything

like i'm a brain like i love learning and i'm smart i just hated school you know right i was the reason i dropped out was because my attendance was so bad that i wasn't going to be able to complete my junior year they wanted me to do summer school so i was like fuck that i'm just going to go get my gd and go to college so i actually started community college when i was 16 and I was taking business administration. It took me, like, I took a year off. I started boxing, and I was working, like, at a gym. And it took me three years to get my associates.

But once I got my associates, I was like, I could transfer to, like, a four-year now. And I knew, like, weed had just been legalized. This is 2012 recreational in Colorado. So I was like, that's where I want to go. so I started applying to schools my first choice is University of Boulder or Colorado Boulder why why just just curious well it's just a sweet school like their campus is amazing it's a party school it's like one of the biggest party schools in the country at the time um which I didn't need yeah it was a good thing all the right it was like last on all the right reason exactly

but it's a good school too um but my GPA wasn't high enough. So I was like, all right, what's the next biggest one? And I found Colorado State University in Fort Collins. And at this point, I'm looking to go to school for horticulture, naturally. So it turns out CSU actually has the better ag program. So I applied there. My GPA, I think I needed a 2.8. And I had a 3.3.0. So I got to got accepted and then um april of 2013 i moved from albany new york to fort collins colorado and uh yeah i was going to csu for horticulture and same thing like it was just like i don't like school i'm just going to grow weed and you know i think the starting salary for

horticulture graduate at the time was like 30 000 so like what am i doing it like it's 45 grand a year out of state tuition like I'm not doing this so I dropped out after I mean you didn't know that going in you didn't think about that or you were just you're doing it because you thought you wanted an education I thought like I was going to learn a lot about stuff that I could apply to growing and which I did but it turns out there's so much information on the fucking internet for free right that's specific to we so I was studying like how to grow weed online while I'm in school and I was just like I can just learn what I need to learn for free and you know not have to go to class and all that bullshit so yeah I dropped out

and just started focusing on growing and um my dad and I lived together at the time and we we had to grow in the in the basement um our landlord was cool with it um and I mean it was it wasn't a great girl. You know, this is like the early days of my career. And so who are you selling this to at this point? Like you just, you go up there and immediately get a group of people you know you can sell to or just college student? So at first, I, I actually drove my first harvest back to New York. That's the only time I've been back to New York since I moved out here. And I sold it there. Because I, you know, I still had all my friends there. And then drove back. And, and, and, and, and, ended up, I only made like 12 grand.

I ended up getting fucking pulled over in Iowa on the way back. On the way back with the money. Yeah, awesome. We're going to college. I'm in college. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to buy a motorcycle because all I had was the money and my dumbass, for whatever reason, decided to bring the scale

that I was using back with me. It was like a $20 scale. I could have just thrown out. And it had like a little bit of weed residue, like a couple hairs on it. You can say, well, what is that? And my buddy told me to bring this back. Yeah, but they weren't buying it. They're like, what's all this money from? Of course, it's all like, you know, 20s.

It was. Stripper money. Yeah. Look at me. I told them I was going to buy a motorcycle. Yeah, look at me. Look at me. I walked into a bar.

They start throwing ones at me. I can't help it. Am I going to not take the ones officer? Exactly. So you got to think faster when these questions come at you. was 22, man. I didn't break, you know. I learned from it, though. But yeah, so they end up impounding my, my, um, again, what was it? A Ford S.U. Explorer. I had an explorer. They impounded it. Took my money. They were grilling me, like, and they interrogated me. They're

like, you know, we're going to go through your phone. Like, you better just tell us what you're going to do. I was like, I was sitting there deleting shit like under the table. And I'm like, all right, where's, you know, show me the warrant. You guys can go right through it. They end up going through it, you know. I bonded out. I was in some shitty, tiny fucking jail. My dad, I called my dad. He bonded me out. They ended up giving me like a possession of like marijuana paraphernalia. It was like a misdemeanor or like a ticket or something.

And I called like a normal, you know what normal is? It's like the national organization of, it's like the national marijuana. organization. And they provide like attorneys. So I went to the Iowa normal website and found an attorney to take my case. And basically he was he was going to fight to get my money back. And now you got to say that's my money. What are you talking about? You keep you got to prove this as drug money or really they're going to say you have to prove that you legitimately got it. Right. Which they tried to do at first, but I didn't end up having to do. All you do is when you file your taxes, say, I made this much money and this much of it was cash.

I've never filed taxes. That's going to catch up all with you. I know. But, hey, I'm being honest here. You're like, you got bigger problems right now. You're living in a halfway out. Exactly. That's the wish of my fault.

Yeah. What do I care? They can come after me. You can't, what is the saying? You can't bleed a stone or whatever. You can get blood from a stone. Plus, there's also, you know, the IRS would have to prove that you make more than I think it's like 16,000.

If you make, if you make less than 16,000, like, you don't even pay taxes, so. Yeah, so. I mean, I never, I kept everything in my dad's name, you know, I just spent cash. But, but anyways, so my lawyer ends up getting me my money back. But after the fees and paying him, I got back, I think, like, $3,500. Fucking surrogate, right? I was so pissed and it took like almost a year

but being an attorney it's just a license to steal I know I heard you talking about that I forgot it is it was the one you posted yesterday but yeah I was like that's so true they are just crooks man

but yeah so that was like my first like kind of close encounter with the law so I go back took the loss we kept growing I think it might have been the next harvest.

It was all sour diesel, so it smelled great, but really strong. And it was July in our air conditioner for the house went out. So we were trimming it, and we opened the windows because the house was like fucking 95 degrees. And one of our neighbors calls the cops, and it was like the whole fucking neighborhood smells like a skunk. And they knew it was us. So they gave them our address, and they looked up our address, and I had a 99 plant count medical cart, which allowed me to grow 99 plants. So they're like, all right, we're going to go check this out to make sure that these guys are legit. I need to backtrack just a little bit.

So I started making butane hash oil. I don't know if you've heard of this before, like shatter. No, no, no. So, all right, so, yeah, you can take weed. and run butane through it, and it extracts all the resin. And it makes like this golden hash, basically. I'm oversimplifying it, you know, for the sake of time and everything. Yeah.

And so I actually started making that in 2009 before I moved to Colorado. And back then we used to use a metal turkey baster, fill that with the weed, and then use just a can of lighter fluid. And it was super dangerous because you have all this butane dispersing. A flame ignites it. You got a fire. Like it was bad news. So they ended up coming out with these systems called closed loop extractors. And there were these big stainless steel machines. You could put like two pounds of weed in it. And you used a big tank, like a 25 pound tank of distilled butane. So it was cleaner, safer. It's supposed to be safer. But really, you have a, if you have a leak in the system, you have 25 pounds of butane that's going to ignite it's a bomb right so but overall it's it's just inherently safer so anyways back to the story um i have my closed loop extractor broken down on the kitchen table so it's this big mess of it was neatly broken down but it was a bunch of stainless steel parts and gaskets and in my bedroom i had um these they're called a vacuum of it

which you use to purge the butane out of the hatch. And I have that whole of hash in my bedroom. And it's like 6 o'clock in the morning. Knock, knock, knock. It's the medical marijuana enforcement division. Three, they're plainclosed cops. And they're like, hey, we got a complaint from the neighbor. We just want to come in and make sure everything's kosher.

And so my dad's going to help for you. We're from the government. Yeah, no, we're your friend. We're the medical marijuana in Fort. We're just trying to make sure you're not doing anything, you know, crazy. They're fucking cops. So my dad answers the door and I'm shitting my pants because my fucking, you walk into the house and it goes down to the basement right next to the front door, but you can see the kitchen

right when you walk in. So I'm like, holy shit, my fucking extractor is right out in the open. I got like two pounds of hash in my bedroom. And so my dad's like, yeah, yeah, I'll take you down to the basement. And like just so happens the night prior, I had cleaned up the entire grow. We had just harvested. So everything's neat, clean. All the weed is in like big tubs.

So luckily I did that because they would have seen like all the dead plants. Like we had a lot of plants. So it looks like you only have the 90 plant. well no you have more than that harvested all the plants so we actually had no living plants

at this time all we had no way for them to tell how many you had how many did you have 90 or more than 90 okay it was 10 years ago

I can't but but anyways so my dad takes the three cops downstairs and I like I'm peeking around the corner I see them go downstairs

and I start tiptoeing and doing runs back to my bedroom and with all the, I had to do like 10 trips, all the parts, and I'm tiptoeing so they don't hear me going back and forth. And my dad like stalled them long enough downstairs so that I could clear out the hash stuff. Right. And they come up and I'm just sitting there in the kitchen like, oh, hey, how's it going, guys? And everything's put away. And they're like, yeah, we're good here. You know, if the neighbors call again, we'll just tell them you guys

aren't doing anything wrong and they're just going to have to deal with the smell. And we're like all right guys thank you so much like you know you have a great day and they leave and i'm just like i would have got a manufacturer it would have been bad like you're not supposed to do shit it's a manufacturing a narcotics charge like it's like the same thing what's that yeah the extractor yeah so um dodged the bullet there and that kind of emboldened me because i i was like they said if anyone calls the cops on us they know we're not doing anything wrong so now we can go not you know what I mean that's not that is not the way to interpret that but I would have interpreted it that way yeah you got to think now this is no looking back it was crazy but like

I'm this is me at the time arrogant as fuck and just thinking I'm untouchable right so I I just you know kept doing what I was doing and about a year later like I had been making hash um for other growers at this point they're bringing me their entire harvest and the deal was i get 30% of the hash i produce so i'm getting 30% of these guys grows right and i'm only doing like a week's worth of work like it was it was great um so my grows kind of like all this stuff oh at this point i had met um guys through instagram that were posting hash uh with like the hashtag for Collins. Actually, one of my really good friends I still talked to to this day. He had a

picture of him holding up a slab of hash and I hit him up and I was, or he might have hit me up. I can't remember it. But I was like, hey, we should you know, link up. We'll dab. We'll smoke. And he introduced me. His whole thing was

Joe, I saw so queer sport. Can you hear it? I mean, he said gentlemen. here's a support group anyways so um that's nice people other people oh yeah i mean summerstone's great shout out some of us but anyways um so this kid his thing was he had a little grow himself and he had someone making hash for him but he was a middleman and a broker so he buys up all these guys entire grows and then sells it slings it back to like the east coast um he's he's from um the northeast as well um so that we kind of clicked because of that and um he's a mass hole though

you know we worked through it and um he he would buy a lot of my stuff and he through him i i was able to network and meet all these other growers that i was able to make cash for and it kind of just like blew my business up and um but he was also you know selling cope Molly acid everything he's the one-stop shop right amazingly he never got in trouble and he was super reckless he would just have people

in and out all the time come out of Stanley it missed him on count anyways so yeah so this kid's like he's like the trap lord and we become like really good friends I actually end up moving into his house and um go

I need to to back up a little bit. I end up getting a job with this guy, Noddy. He's got a YouTube channel, K-N-O-T-T-Y-Y, check him out. Great dude. Great hash maker. I end up moving out to Seattle and making hash for him. And it's great. He's like, to this day, he's the best friend I've ever had. And Darien, if you ever see this, I love you and I miss you. It's a great dude. and I was I was making 20 an hour under the table working for him working 50 hours a week so I'm making $1,000 cash a week but I didn't have to worry about you know distribution or you know anything so it had its trade off like I was taking a hit in the pay but working for him he was super popular I tried to look up naughty yeah it's K-N-O-T-Y-Y on YouTube and um he was making YouTube like hash videos in the early days

so he had this big following did you find him no K-N- what K-N-O-T-T-Y-Y Nazi okay yeah Nazi with two eyes you got it got it yeah yeah so you know he was my boss

and what is this stuff that's the hash that I was making that's butane hatch you see like the big it looked like a sponge yeah Yeah, yeah. There's all different, like, uh, consistencies of it, but it's all butane hash oil, um, as far as the, the, it's okay. So, um, so, um, it's great. I'm working out there. But like, after a while, like, I'm making, uh, each, each slab I was making was like a pound of hash, which back then was like, I can't even remember a lot of money. Like, let's say 10 grand and I'm making like 10 of these things a day

so I'm making all this fucking money for him and I'm only making 20 an hour so I'm like hey man like what if I got paid like a dollar per gram I produce so that way it's like proportionate my pay is proportionate to what I'm making

instead of just 20 an hour I don't knock him for this at all but he's like no I can't do it sorry I can't do it He sounds like he's making a ton of money. And you're just a laborer. Exactly.

But it was also, I was teaching him how to make the clothes loop style hash because he was doing it the old school way with the cans of butane. And he had fires. Like he'd struggling. So that was like my main like purpose there was to like show him how to do it the right way. And but it was at the end of the day, it was his shop. It was his equipment. I actually got an equipment donated to him from a friend of mine that had a company in Fort Collins because he wanted the exposure because Nottie was so big.

I was like, hey, I'm working for this Nottie dude now. Send us a machine. So I actually did get him one of the machine. But it was his clients bringing him the material. It was his distribution network. So, like, I understood, but I didn't accept it. So at this point, my name has, I've grown, like, you know, I have like 10,000 followers on Instagram now, a bunch of people that want to, like, work with me. So I'm like, you know what, man, it's been great, but I'm going to move back to Colorado and do my thing on my own. And so when I moved back, I moved in with the friend that was the broker, and I started making hash with him.

And I was making way more money. Right. He knew all these growers here. they're bringing us their entire crops and we're killing it. Eventually we bought heads we're fucking 23 years old

just you know I move out, I get my own house and I just start doing my own thing completely independent and I'm not even growing at this point I'm just making hash and it was great because I didn't have to worry about

working to grow i could take a week off you know when you're growing you're just like constantly fucking working um so i'm i'm making good money i'm like i started partying like like going out to bars and stuff and um going out to nice dinners and one of my friends i was like really good friends with starts doing blow and how old were you at this point at this point i'm like 24 23 24 I'm living in a nice house. It's like a 2,500 square foot house in the suburbs. I got like a new Tacoma. I'm doing well.

Right. And I think I got the truck. I was making fake pay stubs. I figured you'd appreciate that. So that was how I got the loan for the truck. And yeah, I'm renting this house. It's like $2,000 a month, which is like, you know, normal here it's not like florida right so you know i got this nice house it's like a four-bedroom

house to myself um and so anyways so my friend starts doing below and his girlfriend has a trust fund so he basically had his like allowance and he didn't he didn't work he was just the you know we called them they had like four dogs he was the fifth dog you know he's he's there for emotional support um he he didn't bring much to the table but So anyways, so he starts, he gets this allowance and I'm just watching him spending $300 a day on blow just like hissing through it. I'm just like, I could be selling him the blow.

You know what I mean? Like, I was selling him to blow out. You're a good friend. I'm a great friend. Hey, if someone's got to put the money, it might as well be me. This is. Hey, you can't judge me, dude. You're not one to this.

judge. I have two choices here. I can get him into rehab or take advantage of the situation. Listen, that first choice was not even a remote. That didn't even enter your mind at any time, no. It's just, you have a problem. I need to capitalize on it. Exactly. Yeah. I need to take advantage of this situation. That other guy screwing you. Yeah. I mean, I'm like, bro, this guy's, you know, taking advantage of you. Like, I'd be selling you grams for 80 instead of 100, you know? You'd be saving money going with me. Is people helping people? Exactly, bro. Just trying to be a good friend. Exactly. I'm just looking out for the home. I hear you. Yeah. You get it. So we find this kid who starts, he starts getting his blow from. He's really cool. We become like really good friends with this kid. um his name is Zach he passed away um fentanyl but fentanyl is that what you said yeah fentanyl yeah i didn't even know he's using bro and one day i just get the call from uh my friend that was the broker and he's like hey man zach's in a coma and i'm like what the fuck he's like yeah he passed

out with a fentanyl strip in his mouth and um he was drinking he was a horrible alcoholic he called himself he yeah he he he had a do not resuscitate thing so yeah he died like i think later that day and um but we'll get we'll get to that anyway so um i see this like opportunity with the coke thing but i didn't really have like a good connection to to do it to capitalize on it so um Like I said, I mentioned like the grower community was pretty tight-knit, and we networked. If we had an out-of-state buyer come in, he would want more than we had, so we'd go to other growers that we knew and buy their stuff to sell to the out-of-state guys. And one of these guys, I'll just call him big homie, that was what he was saved in my phone as. he was older dude

he had like a brand new Lamborghini he was like I was like I want to be like that that dude you know right he was just like cool older like old head like hustler and I'm over at his house one day he loved oh geez like the strain so anytime I had OGs he's like call me up and come down and I'll buy it from you

he'd buy like four ounces for his head stash and ounces at this time they're like a thousand bucks. So I'd go down there and hang out. We'd dab. He had these like $30,000 bongs that we'd be hitting. And one day I was there, he had like this little char like this, like this big, full of like amazing blow, like just straight fish scale. And I was like, dude, that's, what is that? And he's like, we call this the space coke. It sends you to space. And I was like, dude, if I had access to that, I can, I could sell a lot of that. And he's like, okay, I can make that happen. So he sets me, he's like, I'll set you up with my guy that handles it. And he sets me up with this kid,

we'll just call him Jay. And Jay lives in Boulder. I've heard of him through the circle, you know, it's all the drug dealer circle. And, but I didn't realize he was like getting it through this guy. And like the older dude with the Lamborghini, he's one of El Chapo's nephews. You mean Jay's getting it through the older guy? Do the Lamborghini guy

or vice versa? The older guy didn't get his hands dirty. Okay, okay. Yeah, so Jay handled his distribution. Exactly. So these, the cartel guys would bring it across the border and Jay would get it straight from them.

So this is completely untouched. Yeah, this is straight from a super lab. Exactly. Or whatever, wherever they're processing it, whatever. It's from the jungle. Yeah. So, yeah, so he sets me up with Jay, and I tell my buddy Zach, because I knew he's sold.

That was all he did was sell coke. And I was like, hey, bro, I got a connection that you need. And I was like, you can come with me to meet the dude. but if you end up buying something from him we'll work an arrangement out he's like okay cool so we go down and meet the dude j and it's it's the same it's just like but huge pieces like just straight amazing fish scale like you pick this stuff up and rub it in your fingers and it's just like oil on your fingers like i've never seen coke like this and we work out an arrangement um Zach would buy um whatever quarter kilo half kilo from j and then because it's my connection and i would

i ended up just doing the after that buy i ended up transporting it right older to four columns which is like an hour so i was like i'll transport it's my connection you front me whatever i need at you know the best price you can do and he's like okay cool so that was our arrangement and we're doing runs we started off getting a quarter kilo which i think was nine grand yeah thousand an ounce um and eventually we then we got up to the half kilo and then you know full kilos but i mean this this kid jay was just so reckless bro he was like 21 years old he's living in this trap house like we'd go up to pick up and he'd just have like a party girls everywhere all Molly and shit and

we're just and he would just open up he'd like yeah what do you guys need we're begging you know half bird half kilo and he'd be okay he'd open up a drawer in his kitchen and there's just a fucking brick of coke just sitting there you'd just take

a butter knife whack it in half put it in a fucking garbage bag or something or not a garbage bag like a shopping bag and just send us on our way and it was great you know we're we had like the best stuff in town um i mean once i start selling to my one friend then he had other friends that wanted it and they had other friends that wanted it and i just had

this huge customer base like almost instant and i'm selling these grams for you look like you want to say something well i was going to say like how long to see how long can he go being that you know open how long can you can you know be that reckless you you know be that reckless without it catching up to you. Not very long. I get any ease. I'm thinking young, cocky, thinks everybody's his friend. It can't happen to me.

Yeah. Get busted. Like, I get the, but. Yeah, no, it was crazy. It was on a main street in Boulder, which is a college town. He's got constant traffic in and out. Like, from the street, you can see in his kitchen. It was like, it was not a good setup.

and yeah he's got all these these girls that know what he's doing he's selling molly to all these girls right dealing with these cartel dudes getting bricks like it was just a it was just a it was he was a young kid like i understand you know just naive and he wasn't he wasn't a season like you were at 23 no he was a rich kid he had sold stuff but he was a rich kid so old were you at this Point. At this point, I'm 24. Oh, okay. Yeah. But he was just like, he was a good drug dealer, but just kind of like really arrogant. Yeah, yeah. Just the rich kid arrogance. Like, oh, like, I'm not worried about something happening. Right. My dad was a school teacher. My dad taught public high school and my mom worked in a greenhouse.

I didn't come from money. So like I had more of like a street hustler mentality. You know, don't be flashy. You don't flaunt your money. Right. Kind of shit. But yeah, he had a Versace couch. It had like the Medusa heads and the handles.

he had like a Persian rug like a $10,000 rug right um he was yeah it was so of a 21 year old kid shouldn't probably have that's never had a job in his life he's wearing Gucci Louis Vuitton you know I'm wearing like Nike stuff like just normal normal I look like a normal fucking pot head

so yeah so we're doing this for a while um I'm like I have a couple customers that are buying like half pounds um i'm taking one ounce because it's so good taking one ounce add three ounces to it and sell it for 800 i'd sell a half pound for 6,400 i just got two ounces fronted to me for 2,400 so i'm turned around and making $4,000 just in 10 minutes right um but i'm also i'm mostly selling $100 grams um i had a couple other friends that would buy ounces half ounces and sell it themselves um one day one of my friends that was buying i think he was buying half ounces

he calls me up he's like hey bro um i just finished or i'm about to go drop off the last of what i have can i get another half ounce and i was like yeah meet me at your girl's place i'll bring another one over there for you um keep in mind like i'm just using my fucking phone like i'll not even use it a burner like i'm so arrogant um i'm just driving around i have like one of those uh dummy aerosol cans with the bottom on screws right around with grams pre-weight out in there just drive around and sell and blow all day

because the cops don't know what that is right totally they they've never seen look look at this yeah never seen this before oh he's got look he's got an aerosol can yeah I thought it was better than just keep it in my pocket you know

but I had like you know I had a BMW 328 like a newer one but it wasn't flashy you know it's just like a normal i blend in i look like a you know i didn't have as many tattoos um so i would just drive around in my little three series just slinging grams 24 hours a day and so i go to meet this kid at his girlfriend's house with this half ounce and i get there waiting i call him he doesn't answer i call him again he doesn't answer i'm like starting to get pissed i'm like like bro you just have to drive across town with a half ounce of

blow now you're not even fucking answering so i call him a few more times i'm pissed i leave after like an hour and later i found out he was going to drop off like seven grams to someone and he had a seizure ran into a telephone pole with this truck woke up surrounded by cops so i was like like i know he's not going to snitch on me right he was like what if they go through his phone, you know, what if he doesn't cooperate, but what if it comes back on me? So, like, I got a little, you know, I didn't stop doing it, but I got a little more. I was going to say, any more than a message in the phone and his word, you know. Or not even like a message, because we were smart on the phone, but what if he was like saying to

someone, hey, I'm about to go meet Dave, get more blow. So, right. So you just don't want him to put them on you. Like, you're not going to get arrested, but you just don't want your name even coming up in an investigation, right? you just don't want him to be okay i thought you thought you were thinking like they're just going to show up to your house and arrest you no no and at this point i hadn't i have no criminal record besides like the thing in iowa which i mean it was like a ticket but yeah i'm like i'm not

on the police radar at all um so i find out the next day from a mutual friend of ours like hey you know so-and-so's in jail like he he had a seizure and the cops got him and he had a scale with all this blow on him, like, he's, he's fucked. So I'm like, that's not good. So a couple days, I think it was like three days later, I find out that Jay got rated by the ATF and the DEA. And that's related? No, no, no, no, no, no. Absolutely just coincidence. Okay. But between those two things I was like I'm spooked at this point

so I'm like I'm out and yeah Jay ended up he got I think seven years in the feds he had like I want to say 500 grams a blow like 300 grams of Molly

bunch of acid Uzi and AK a money counter 70 grand cash you know what is the the the rich kids selling Coke need an oozy for

bro it's like rich kids selling Coke starter back you need a new you need a money counter like come to need a lot of stuff from Versacee you need to act like you're a gangster you're new to this world you know I did

you don't ridiculous yeah you need a $10,000 couch for your trap house yeah you need you need seven years to get your head right is what you really need that's what the judge probably said

listen what are you doing oh he tried to play the mental health card, the drug addiction card. They were like, no, they don't care. They're like, I was going to say, oh, you have, oh, we'll give you the ARDAP program. Yeah, exactly. We'll give you, they have a drug

pro. Good. Thank God. Yeah. Thank God. We're going to go ahead. We're going to send you to a great place. It's a residential treatment center. Yeah, his, his defense was like, oh, you already got accepted to this residential treatment center. And they're like, okay, cool. Yeah, but we have our own. Yeah. You're going to worry.

Yeah, it's free. Better. Yeah. Habit security. Yeah. It's going to be great. Yeah. Can't walk away from this one?

A lot of those places you just walk away. You get tired three days later. You're like, I'm leaving. You walk away. Don't worry. We got you. Yeah. Yeah.

So he goes in. He's like 5, 10, like 120 pounds soaking wet. No tattoos. He starts posting. pictures on Instagram like five years later like five years into his bid or maybe it's like three or four years he's got his hairs like past his shoulders he's fucking yote bro right like 250 pounds solid muscle full tattoo sleeve just looks like completely different what state what state was this or fed or the feds he was in the feds okay yeah because um

it was a ATF uh DEA operation but another funny thing worth mentioning about Jay was he was a rapper um

he's he paid Gucci Maine you know what Gucci Maine is yeah yeah yeah he paid Gucci

he paid Gucci 50 grand for a verse and this is right when Gucci got out of prison what's just so and I'm just like that doesn't

sound like a good idea so And then Gucci doesn't even let him drop the song He straight hustled him No Yeah absolutely He did a music video

We wouldn't let him show the rapper Hustled some kid Out of $50,000 Stop it I'm not gonna I will not sit here and listen to you talk bad Or insinuate So yeah that was I failed to mention that earlier

But that's like you know paints the picture of the skin yeah he's a rapping he's rapping about this shit dude he needs seven years hey he's doing the shit he's rapping about I will give him credit for that

no one can knock him for that he was doing what he was rapping about oh my god so yeah he just got out actually I haven't talked to him but yeah he's he's out now he should do a podcast he really should you should have him on here

listen I knew a guy, a white guy that had dreads that was like, and balding, white balding guy with dread. With such a good look. Name Bobby, who's like 40 years old and used to sit there and rap in the unit.

And it was just like, this is like if the white guy with dreads wasn't just sad enough, balding wasn't sad enough, you're also a rapper and he would convince you that he was, he was going to be a rapper when he got out. He was blowing up when he got out.

He was going to blow up. he's going to be huge. He's been writing songs for 10 years. He's going to be huge. He's going to be huge. These are amazing. I think he does. I think he makes pools now. I think he installs. Everyone needs a day job. Yeah. No, I mean, it could still happen. He's got a pretty girlfriend.

I don't know about the rapping thing. I don't know that that took off. I don't think so. But. Can he find his SoundCloud? Yeah, I don't. I'll look. Bobby. Bobby. You got to love jailhouse rappers, right? Yeah. The other than you say, used to, I used this with my, listen, listen, let me tell you something real quick, real quick. Real quick. And so I met my wife at the halfway house. Right. Yeah. And we used to like, and, you know, so I would come to come home from work. And she would like wait and we would eat dinner together sometimes. Just it happened a few times. So I started thinking it was like a thing. And then one time I texted her, I was like, hey, I'm going to be, I'm going to be back there at this time. You want to have. You want to have.

have dinner. She goes, I can't. She said, I'm, I'm tired. I got to wake up early. I'm tired. I'm just going to bed. I said, oh, okay, that's fine. She'd been working all day. But I come back, and I walk in, and as I walk in, you know, they got, like, a Sally Port. They check you. They look at your phone. Back into the halfway house. And I walk in and I look up. I'm going to head toward the little cafeteria. And I look up, and she's sitting at the table with Bubby. listen so bubby was in the halfway house of course he was imprisoned with me and in the halfway house oh yeah he was in my and he was in my unit so you guys go way better well like not that i ever talked to him very much i mean so we don't have a lot in common so he was just shy of having

the the gold teeth but he they probably arrested him before he could get the gold teeth so you know i looked up and i saw she looks up and she sees me and she kind of like looks at there and she knows that I'm thinking and then you know listen I just I got the as soon as I got my food came back she got the tech hey listen you know I

I know how that look yeah when in reality you're you're pissed but in reality she's like she doesn't want to be talking to Bobby is any more than you want her to be talking. Yeah well that's what she says. I believe listen

Well, listen, I mean, I think she made the, in the end, I think she made the right move. Yeah, I mean, look, she's with me now. You guys are married, so. Yeah. Listen, I, I'm mad at her all over again. Just just talking about it. I'm getting upset. She could come in, I'll have an attitude.

She can be like, what's wrong? Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. How's Bobby? Yeah, how does it sound like? Yeah, she doesn't remember him. How long ago when you guys in the halfway house, three years ago? Yeah, about four years ago.

Where is he is? Yeah, he's Bobby's. Yeah. That's it. We all know it Bobby. You know, we have a couple of them in here. We're, yeah. I keep my headphones on pretty much all the time.

Oh, okay. So, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean you're off track. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I need a. Jay got arrested. So, yeah, Jay gets arrested.

You got spook. You sit out. I stopped selling the blow. Zach kept selling. So at this point, I'm making hash again because I kind of stopped making hash because I was just like, I'm a fucking

Coke dealer now. You know, I don't have time to make hash. I'm running around serving these all right. I'd get 24-7. I'd be out till, you know, I'd get calls at 6 in the morning. I'm getting ready to lay down finally. I've been out all night. This is like a fucking Tuesday night.

average Tuesday and I had these these customers that were crackheads and they'd take it and cook it down and so they're they're fucking just awful like they'd buy a half gram at one o'clock uh call me at three for another half gram and then at five for like another half gram I'm like listen guys you know you can just buy a gram and a half no because they tell themselves they tell themselves this is it this is it bro I love it when when they I always say like like listen I'm gonna buy this if I come back

don't sell to me because the only money I got left is my rent money oh yeah those guys are worse because you're like I'm not gonna sell you bro you told me not to sell to you

oh no typically what drug dealers do is do is they go they take the they take the rent money and they go you're gonna come up with it bro you'll be all right

you're gonna be all right I wasn't that ruthless I would at least put up a fight but eventually it's like I can't I can't take your rent money. No, no.

Okay. Oh, no. Listen, I had guys that were, they were giving me their last dime, you know? And, but the worst guys were like the crackheads that would call you. I actually went to this one party one time. And I ended up going back five times to sell a gram each time. So they bought five grams for $500. I was like, you guys realized if you had just called me at the beginning of the night,

$500, I would have gave you a quarter. I would have gave you two extra grants. Right. Like, what are you doing? Like, I didn't you know, can I'm driving? I'm just, I'm making all these trips back and forth. Like, this is a big inconvenience. I'm only making $40

every time, you know? So, yeah, so that's over and dumb with. Like, I had time to make cash again and start making hash again. I the hash thing kind of started to like fizzle out and I was like you know what I'm going to start growing again I'm going to go back to my roots and I start no pun intended right um my roots I didn't look to him but anyways so um my dad and I get what about and I hate to say that yeah yeah what about like getting a job that that is

my job. No. What do you mean? I'm working 12 hours a day, bro. Never mind. That's all I know. I've been doing it until I was 12 years old, man. Your buddies are getting busted left and right.

Like, you saw like seven years, like that I do, uh? Growing, I don't, I didn't have any guns or ounces of Mali or anything. Listen, the other good thing about my arrangement with Zach was that I had no incentive to buy a large quantity because there was no break for me if I got one ounce or 10 ounces. He's giving the best price he can. So I'm only getting what I know I can sell in like a day or what I can get rid of like right away. I don't ever have large quantities of low at house room. So that was like the big advantage. That in him he was fronting it to me. So it I was looking at these guys getting busted but they're they're not as smart as me. You know? You know

how it is. I know exactly how it is. Yeah. That's not going to happen. me. So, yeah, so I go back to growing, and my dad and I had just moved into this house that was like twice the size of the house we were living before. It had a huge basement with like, like eight or nine foot ceilings. I hit up one of my friends who was, he was a good grower, still is. And I was like, hey, man, like, I don't have enough money to build out my basement. the way I want to, would you be interested in partnering up? I'll give you 30% of the grow. You pay for the renovation and all the equipment and we'll be partners. And he's like, sure, let's do it. So it took a year. I did most of the construction, like the framing and

the drywall. We had someone come in and do the HVAC, but I did most of the work. And it ended up it turned out great. Like, it was a badass grow. But it took a year. So that year, I was struggling. I didn't have any money coming in, but I knew it was going to pay off eventually. So we finally finish it. And the first crop is just amazing.

And it's like a nice neighborhood, too. It was like, when we got raided, it was like, it was a bad look. Like, it was not that we were coming back there, but yeah, the neighbors hated us. we had kids like there's like a doggy daycare next door like it was ridiculous but so this first crop is great and i think we got 40 40 pounds of of fresh weed and our plan was to give it to one of his partners in another venture that was making a bubble hatch so to do that you take the weed before it's dried and you make it into hash. So we had about 40 pounds of fresh weed, which would, which would have been about 10, 12 pounds if it was dry. So the dry weight

equivalent. And so I mean, I knew who this kid was that was going to be making the hash. He was going to take the entire harvest, turn into hash, and take his 25%, just like I was doing for other people. But I wasn't making this type of hash. The bubble hash, I was making a butane hash. So, butane hash at this point was like a dinosaur.

Like, no one wanted it. It devalued like crazy. It was like three, 400 ounce. But this bubble hash was, you know, going for like 1,200 ounce. So we're like, all right, this is like the best way to maximize our profits from this crop. So the kid that he was going to

that he was working with that was going to make our hash he was like talk about just flamboyant and like asking for trouble like this kid was he'd have a go yard um man purse you know like those like four thousand dollar man purses louis belt like just supreme stuff like he was just ridiculous and he was just a brat like we'd go to like this nice sushi place it was like you know we'd spend like a thousand dollars on like sushi there It was a really nice restaurant. And he'd be, like, complaining that they don't have this type of soda, and you'd be throwing his chopsticks, and, like, just acting a fool.

Like, this kid was, he was the worst. And I was like, we're about to give this kid, like, 50 grand worth of shit that we just worked, like, a year producing. Like, I just didn't feel good about it. I didn't trust the kid. And so I took, unbeknownst to my partner, I took, like, a pound of fresh weed, and I gave it to one of my buddies up here in Fort Collins.

The other kid was in Denver. And I was like, hey, man, run this for me. I want to see how it does, you know, before I give it to this other kit. And he runs it and he gets back like a 5% return, which is good. I was happy with that. I was like, all right, cool. I still didn't tell my partner, though. I was like, all right, so we should be getting back like 5% on that 40 pounds,

like whatever that comes out to. So we give the material all the harvest to the kid to make hash with and I'm sitting there for like a couple weeks. I'm like doing the math. I'm like, all right, we're going to have this much hash. It's going to be this much money. Like, we're going to be good. This is working out. My partner comes back and he's like, bro, it only yielded like one and a half percent or like under one and a half percent. And to this day, I think he was in on it. Right. You know, I was like, no. Right. He didn't know that I tested it. So I knew that either the kid that made the hash was fucking me.

Right. Or they were both fucking me. So I knew this guy. We'll call him R. and R, I met when he first moved to Colorado like 2015 or so. I was like one of the first people he met out here. And I hadn't talked to him in a few years,

but I saw him over at Jay's house. He ended up becoming Jay's roommate. And I saw him over there one day, and we've reconnected, you know, and he's like, good to see you, bro. Like, he's telling everyone, he's like, yo, this is one of the first motherfuckers that taught me about growing weed.

And he was one of the first people I met out here. He's like, this is my dog. And this kid's like, he's like six, four, like just massive Colombian kid. Like, he was a gangster, bro. Right. And he's, he's in the feds right now. I think he's doing, like, I think he got like 18 years. All kinds of weapons, charges, drugs, everything, all that good stuff.

So I get with my buddy who also knows him, and we call him. And we're like, hey, bro, get this. I just gave this kid, you know, 30 grand worth of weed, and he gave me back, like, 10 grand worth a hash. Like, this kid just fucking robbed me. Right. And he's like, all right, what do you want to do? And I was like, send your people over there with a U-Haul.

Who's this people? I didn't want to know. They weren't bad people. They were really bad. Okay. So I'm like, send your people over there with a U-Haul. here's this kid's address I told him what kind of

car that his roommate drove so that they knew that the roommate wouldn't be there because the roommate worked for my partner and so I didn't and he was a good kid he was a little goofy

but he's a good kid I didn't want him getting hurt because this was going to be a home invasion this wasn't going to be a like this is going to be bad right so I'm like Listen, this kid, he's sitting on, like, at least my $20,000 with the product. Right. I know he's got cash.

I was like, you send your guys in. They can keep the money. They can keep the hash. I just want this kid's grow equipment and all of his designer clothes. Like, I was more about making this kid suffer than it was me getting back when I was. Right. So he's like, bet. Let me make a collar open.

makes the call. He's like, all right, my guys are good to go. You want to do this tomorrow? I was like, let's do it tomorrow. So these two guys, they go rent a U-Haul, and they go to the address, and they're staking it out. And the roommate's not there, but I was talking to my partner. I was like, hey, like, have you heard from so-and-so? Like, is he like, I made up some excuse to talk to him. I was like, I got someone else that, like, wants him to make hash or something. I was like, is he at his house? And he's like, yeah, he's just there chilling. Like, he just made some hash whatever. And I'm like, I call my dude. And I'm like, hey, he's in there. So, like, no one else is there. Like, tell your guys, they're good to go. So they go up to the front door. And

they have some stupid pistols and they knock on the door just like these two like middle age black dudes

and they knock on the door and the kid is inside watching he's been watching the whole time that these guys are parked in the U-Haul and they just walked out they've been watching his house just walked over to his door and started knocking. He calls my

partner who's on his way up from Denver to my house to do some work in the grow. And he's like, he's like, bro, so-and-so just called me. He said these two dudes are like outside his house right now that they've been like watching his house. That's crazy. I was like, they're like, what, does he know them? He's like, no, dude, he's never seen these guys before in his life. I'm like, oh, that's wild. You know, keep me posted. Ed. I already know what's going on. these guys they don't get an answer on the front door

so they walk around to the back door and it's like a glass sliding door there's like a walkout basement and we got two different versions of what happened

from there but the version that I'm going with that makes the most sense to me is these guys shot out the back door and the kid was inside

he knows what time it is, so he's Betty, he's got his gun. And somehow one of the guys that I sent there got shot.

Oh, that's, that's not good. No, it was bad. And he tried to say that it was a kid that shot him, but then the kid, like later on we hear this story from the kid that he didn't shoot at all.

So, My theory is that they, the dude accidentally shot himself. Right. He was in the hand. He accidentally shot himself in the hand. So when that happened, they, you know, scurried off back to the U-Haul, freaking out, you know. I get a call from my buddy.

Quite as gangsters they thought. No. And it's easy to be a gangster when the other person has no idea you're coming. It's not so much fun when the rabbits got the gun. so anyway so I'm like all right it's going down right now I'm going to get the call like I'm sitting there with my buddy who like also knew he was the only other one that knew what was going on so we're like all right we're going to get the call like they're in there right now we're going to get the call everything went good and you know we're going to plan we'll have them come up to a storage unit bring all the equipment and we'll break breath and we get a call really it was quick I was like wow, that was fast. These guys are good. And the dude's freaking out. He's like, bro, my dude is shot. Like, do you know a nurse or a doctor?

I was like, no? Like, go to the hospital. I'm not a gangster. He said, yeah, I'm like, this isn't, this is your business. And he's like, bro, he can't go to the hospital. Like with a gunshot wound. I'm like, yeah, I've seen that on TV. Like, yeah, you can't do that. So I'm like, let me make some calls. And I knew, like, who was it? It was like some shit that I knew her sister was a nurse or something. And I was like, hey, like, this is kind of a big ass, but I got a friend that's, like, hurt. And, like, I was wondering if your sister could help.

And she's like, well, what's wrong? And I was like, um, he got shot. And she's like, no, my sister will not, no, absolutely not. So I called you back. I'm like, hey, bro, like, I tried, but, you know. Just put some dirt on it, you know. Walk it off. It's his hand.

He'll be good. I'm like, no, bro. He's like missing his pinky. Like, you're like, I'm like, uh, man, like, and they didn't get anything, obviously. No. So I'm like, all right, dude, look, like,

what, what, what's it going to take to make this right? And he's like, we settled on like an ounce half. So like, $1,200. I'm like, okay. That $1,200 for a pinky? Yeah. That's not bad. I was like, hey, if these guys aren't going to come after me now,

it's only only it cost me $1,200, consider it done. So. Listen, that could have gone wrong. Like, during a home, like, let's say they did a home evasion, they got shot. Yeah. Let's say that tracked back to you. Yeah. Oh, oh.

No, no. I mean, it got shot, like, shot and killed and. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, it was, you know, I'm thinking kosher noster, like, this is, this guy wrong me. He's fucking paying it. I wasn't thinking, like, rationally.

you know right so so so is the guy put it together no so oh bro this is a great story um so my partner calls he's still on my way on the way to my house when this all goes down he's like bro these guys just tried to rob e uh there was a shooting like i got a i got a be line back to Denver i was like that's fucking crazy bro like yeah go do what you got to do because i'm sitting there Like inside I'm like fucking pissed that this didn't work out now I got to pay these dudes money right I was pissed but I'm like yeah bro that's crazy I hope he's okay oh shit I just said his name uh it's not his real name it's his initial so I'm like I hope he's okay um let me know what's going on when you get down there um don't worry about coming up to do the work I'll handle the work

tonight and so he goes down there and the kid is like he has like he has I didn't know this. He has a warrant out for his arrest this whole time. So the kid just took his dog and like a backpack full of shit and just abandoned his house. Just ran. He's hiding in the woods down the street from his house. My partner has to go pick him up and like saving. And so he's like, yeah, I just picked him up. He has a warrant. We're going to go back to my house. I'm going to set him up there, him and his girl are going to chill there, and then I'm going to come up and we're going to do the work. I'm like, all right, that, that works. So he does that. He comes up. We're talking about it. I'm like, what happened? You know, like, playing dumb. And he's like,

dude, it was bad. Like, there's shooting and, you know, the cops came. And so they're business partner. So my, my partner has access to the kids' security cameras. So we're sitting there watching the police, the detectives, at his front door from the security camera at my house. And we're watching them. They're talking about the shooting. They're looking for shell casing, blah, blah, blah. And we're watching them where they leave. And this is like, you think I'm a scumbag for this. listen to what my partner does so he's like bro all all of his stuff is like still in there and no one's there we we should go get it and i'm like for safe keeping yeah yeah you know like nobody could rip him off yeah exactly we should be our storage unit we might as well get it

if if he's if he doesn't if no one else is going to claim it why why let it go to waste i'm like dude that's a good idea but i was like that's our boy though like sure it's like oh i'm evasion for yeah i'm like you sure bro and he's like yeah man like let's do it so we wait till the next day and this kid is staying at my partner's house with this girl they're shook he's planning he's gonna run to main because he's like they're gonna be looking for me now because of this warrant now the shooting like i'm fucked i got to get out of color so he's laying low at my partner's house and so my partner sets up this plan he's like all right bro at like 1 a.m i'm going to tell him i'm going to meet my partner's he's a great guy he's like

i'm telling him i'm going to go meet this tinder girl at like one and then we're going to meet up you come down to denver i'll i'll go he lived a little south of denver he's like i'll drive up to and we'll meet down the street and I was like all right bet so I was like I was like bring the homie that works for you and I'll bring the homie that was working for me at the time and I was like it'll be the four of us I'll I'll stop at Walmart I'll get some walkie-talkies I'll get masks I'll bring garbage bags you know we'll we'll do this right you know this is impossible it really was right So, so I have like this expedition at this time.

So I rip out the back seats, like, clear it out. So it's good to haul all this shit back. And we meet up, like, at the gas station around the corner. And we're going over this plan, right? But it's like our, you know, we're doing our little, like, what do you call that? Debrief. Right. Or brief.

And it's like one. 32 in the morning middle of the week it might have been a Friday and we're at this gas station like in a not great part of Denver and

we go inside we're like all right let's get some like you know Red Bulls before we do this you know right so we all go in and we're like right around the corner from the house and we get some Red Bulls we come out I think I was, me and one of the other ones that it was the four of us were the last ones out of the gas station

and as we're walking out, it's on an intersection this car got teaboned. As we're walking out and the other car flipped, there's like these girls in there like freaking out like we weren't sure if they were dead. The car's upside down. Like it was, we just heard it. We heard like boom.

And we're like, what the fuck was that? And we're all sitting out there just like, stung. And the one kid that kind of, he's like a simple kid that worked for my partner, he's trying to run over there to help. He's, I'm like, bro, what are you doing? This is, we got to go now. All the cops are going to be here. Like this is like, no, they need help.

They need help. I was like, bro, you're not a fireman. Like, let them, don't get help. Let's roll. So we fucking, we let, we sat down up. and we're like this this couldn't have worked out better so this is so it's wrong on the different level but it's funny sorry of course i wasn't in the car so yeah so we roll we follow each other and we have his his street like is up on a hill and it's just one way in one way out

so it's like i so you come up the hill and it's like a corner And then it's the same thing on the other side. So we had one person in my car, my worker in my car at one end and my partner at the other end so we could see if anyone came up, drove up the street. And we all had the walkies. So we get dropped off the front door. They go post up on the corners and they're keeping watch while me and the simple guy go in with contractor bags. flashlights and we're like thinking we're we got to break down like the door or um they boarded up the glass door that got shot out we're going to have to rip that out and we walk up front doors

unlocked so we just walk right in well doesn't you said the kid had like cameras like a survey the cops unplugged it all oh okay yeah the cops ended up unplugging the cameras while they were there. So while they left, but then they came back with the landlord the next day, they unplugged the cameras, turned off the power and boarded up the back door.

But they left the front door unlocked. Left the fucking front door unlocked. Really? All right. So we go in. We got our flashlights. I'm like, all right, I'm going to go take the downstairs. You go

so the kid, the simple kid lived there. He was the roommate. Right. So he was like, I want to go to my bedroom and like get some of my personal stuff. And I'm like, okay, yeah, that's cool. Like, you know, you go do that. I'm going to go start downstairs.

And then we're going to meet back up in the grow room. And we're both going to take down the grow stuff and get it staged by the front door to get picked up. And I'm like, I'll call you on the walkie talkie or call me on the walkie talkie. like when your daughter or whatever I'll call you if I need help he's like okay cool I go downstairs

and this kid's got like a shoe display with like six pairs of Yeezys you know what Yeezys are I mean I'm assuming it's sneakers right they're like Kanye's Adidas sneakers they're like anywhere from three to a thousand dollars three hundred dollars to a thousand dollars

they're like really expensive shoes so I see the Yeezys get those in a trash bag because I already knew what this kid had and what I wanted I was like I had a plant so I get the Yeasies go in his bedroom

it's just like this kid was just like ghetto Ridge bro he had a fucking TV with a couch and a bed that was all the furniture he had I go into his closet and I was just like overwhelmed I was like

this is like all designer shit so I just started throwing everything in a garbage bag Louis Bell the go yard man purse supreme stuff supreme's really expensive and i'm like holding it up like what shit is my side great so i i load all of this kid's wardrobe into like two contractor bags right and that was pretty much then he had the big screen tv i was like everything in value so i get the two contractor bags lug them

up the stairs to the front door and then i go to the garage where the grow wells and i call the kid on the walkie. I'm like, bro, what the fuck is taking so long? Like, I'm done. I'm sitting here waiting to take these lights down. Where the fuck are you? No answer. I'm like, yo, where are you at? No answer. Fucking idiot forgot his fucking walkie talkie in the car. And my worker answers, he's like, hey, bro, like so-and-so forgot his walkie-talkie in the car. And then my partner has, he's like, stop saying fucking names of the watchie-talkies, idiots. And I'm like, God damn it. Fuck it. I want to say his name's so bad because I was, God damn it, you know, so and so. And I go and find him in his bedroom and he's fucking just dicking around, fucking going through his drawer. I'm like, bro,

like, let's, you can buy new clothes later. Like, you don't, it's not like anything is like, get your valuables, let's go. Right. So we go to the garage and there's these, uh, eight LED lights. They're like $1,500 lights. Um, and we start, they're, the cords are going to somewhere in the ceiling. So I have, I planned this out. I had like wire cutters. So I'm like hold the light. I'm going to cut it, take it to the front and set it by the door. So we do that. We get all the lights out. Then you had this hash making stuff. It was a rosin press, which I don't need to explain what it is, but it was like $8,000 machine. Then you had another like $7,000 machine to dry the hash with. This is the stuff that we needed to make the hash ourselves. Right.

So this stuff's like fucking heaven. So we're lugging it to the front door and we get everything staged. We call everyone. We're like, all right guys, pull up. We're ready to go. They pull up. It takes us about a minute, maybe

two minutes to load everything up. It ain't like just barely fit in my expedition. And we ended up having all four of us had to pick the one machine up. It was really heavy. And we got everything. loaded up. He goes back to his

house, you know, Tinder girl went great, you know. The kid was passed out on the couch with his girlfriend. And we drive back to Fort Collins and we're like so excited we just hit this fucking lick, like

fuck this kid, blah, blah, blah. And to this day, the kid thinks that it was the cops that took back. He did, yeah, had no idea. And my fucking What about the cash and the hash and the cash that you guys thought was there? That was what that was all he took with him.

You know, with those guys. So that wasn't there. But funny enough, he has all that stuff with him at my partner's house. And he leaves it there and he goes to Maine to hide. And he's like, yeah,

just like to my partner like sell the hash when you're done, send me the money, whatever. So my partner calls me up. He's like, hey, bro. Like, homie, like, left all this hash in my freezer. And he was like, let's fucking just keep it and split it. Great, great friend. And I'm like, all right, yeah, let's do it. So we, uh, no doubt. I forgot about this. In between the kid going to Maine and him deciding to take the kid's hash he gets rated

completely unrelated like his neighbors called it in your buddy apart oh okay it's rated and the cops take um they cut all his plants down um they I think he had a bunch of

fresh frozen weed that needed to be made into hash they took that but somehow they didn't open up his freezer and find the pounds of hash that belonged to the other kid. So that's what made him decide to take it because he's like, bro, I'm going to need,

I just got hit, like, right, hawked. I need money for a lawyer, blah, blah, blah. So he's like, we're going to take his hash and I need it more than he does. So he comes back up to Fort Collins with the hash and it's a lot. I think we ended up getting like 20-something grand for it. Um, and I got my cut and he took his, got his lawyer, whatever, whatever. Um, and yeah, so that, the, it ended up working out, but it was so different than how we thought it was going to go. Right. But yeah, so then we don't have a hash guy, you know, um, which I ended up, I ended up filling that role because, I mean,

you have the equipment. Yeah. Now, well, all right, so we actually took the equipment to a Coke dealer that we knew in town. Um, Zach had already overdosed at this point. Um, but it was another friend of the broker friend. And he, we gave it to him as collateral for a loan. He gave us like $10,000 for it. And then we're supposed to give him $12,000 back in a month. And we would get the equipment back. And we talked about it. We're like, you know, we don't know, we don't, we're really need the equipment. We just basically sold it for 10 grand. I'm cool with that. If you're cool with that, I'm like, yeah, let's do it. So we ended up getting like, you know, 30 grand. And we didn't sell the grow lights, though. Those are worth like 12 grand. And we kept those and used those. And shortly, I think it actually might have been just before this. I got this opportunity to start a new grow with an old friend that I had lost contact with

and I was selling like some fans on Craigslist some grow fans and he comes over and it's him and he lost all this weight I didn't recognize him I was like yo what's up like I haven't seen you in years

I used to sell him coke and shit and he tells me about this place that he's got an opportunity to start to grow but he can't afford to build it and equipped it So I was like, all right, well, let's work together. You know, I'm working with this dude.

This is my partner. The three of us can work together and we'll get something going. So we used that money that we got from all that whole ordeal. And we used that to start this new grow. And this was like a lot bigger. Like we up until this point, we did like basement grows. So. Did what?

Basement grows. like in the basement houses. Right. This is going to be like our first like larger scale project. It was it was a pole barn. It's like, you know, we'll say like 40 by 40 feet, 12 foot ceilings. But it was going to be like a big project. So we had we put in all the money we had.

It was like 30 grand or something. the one kid didn't put any money in it was just he found the spot that was his contribution I put in all the money I had my partner put in all the money he could and we get like the framing done and then we like kind of hit a wall and we're like we're going to have to either wait like three months for another harvest or we're going to have to find someone else to give us money to invest and I was like all right, I can get us the money, but you guys aren't going to like how. And they're like how.

And I was like, I could start selling Coke again. And they were like pretty against it, but they were like, all right, if this is what it takes to make this happen, just do it. So I start selling Coke again. I'm stepping on it like crazy this time because I'm just trying to fucking make money. Right. and I'm I'm working on the grow I'm doing most of the work the construction and stuff but I'm also selling blow

and I end up getting enough money together to finish it and it took about a little under a year and we had this beautiful huge grow and it was two 10 light rooms so to put that in perspective our basement grow in my house was eight lights so this is more than twice the size higher ceilings it was all automated um i could control all the equipment from my phone um from my house um it was it was sick and the first harvest was like it was kind of a pain in the ass getting everyone to do their part i was done

12 hours minimum a day but like to it was like pulling teeth to get my partners to do fucking any um so after the first one the dude that found the spot he's like look bro this is too much for me it's putting strain on my relationship I just don't think I can do it and I was like okay then you're out and he's like well like I was thinking like I could get like some of the like a cut of the money like going for I was like no dude like you didn't put any money in you barely done any fucking work like no

so he just he's out so now I go from a 33% partner to I took his 33% and so now I'm the majority owner bless her excuse me sorry you're good blessing

and so now I'm a 67% owner and my other partner is 33% and he's also 30% at my house and he doesn't even have his own grow at this point because he got rated right he's just partners in your two grows yeah and he's supposed to be doing like a lot of especially since he doesn't have his grows anymore because he was doing his grows and my grows um but i mean i'm working you know 15 hours a day some days seven days a week no days off um manager

both of these groves and this kid's like coming up two three hours at a time uh two or three times a week and i'm just like dude this this isn't going to work like you need to start pulling your fucking weight around here or else you're going to end up like the other guy i was always like you know how they say don't go into business with your friends yeah that's the truest shit ever because at the end of it you're not going to be friends these were like really great friends of mine and I I felt wronged by them because I felt taken taken advantage of and I didn't feel like they deserved what they were getting and I was a dick about it. I was I really could have handled it a lot better but I didn't think I was in the

wrong. I still don't think I was in the wrong. It just sucked that they didn't pull their weight and it came down, it ended up how it ended up. So there was like a week or two weeks where he barely came up. And I'm telling my other friend who's a grower about this. And he's like, bro, you need to cut that kid off. He's fucking dead weight. Like he's seeing all the work I'm doing.

And he's actually helping me. He was a really good friend too. And he's like, bro, fuck him. And I was like, you're right. Fuck him. So I changed the fucking life. on him, didn't tell him anything, let him come up. And I see him on the camera, like, trying to get in.

He's getting all, he's looking around. He calls me, he's like, hey, bro, I'm trying to get into the grow. Like, what's up? And I'm like, yeah, bro, you're done. I was like, you know, this just isn't working out. I'll pay you out. I told him might pay him like $70,000 and pay him anything. But I was like, yeah, you'll get, you know, you'll get your cut.

and just don't even worry about it. You can go back to sitting down your ass doing whatever the fuck you do all day in Denver. He's like, all right. You whatever. But he knew like deep down that he wasn't pulling his weight. So he really, he didn't have much to say about it. So now I'm the proud owner of both of these grows. And it's, I mean, it's a lot of work.

And I have, like, people help me here and there. My girlfriend at the time would trim. I had a couple people that would help me trim. But really, I'm just, like, tough. One man, Joe. One man fucking army, bro. It was, it was brutal. I was barely, I was falling asleep standing up.

Like, it was, like, affecting my health. It was a lot of stress. but I made it work and my dad started helping at the house with that grow and eventually I'm like I was giving because I was doing so much grow work I was giving it to someone else to make the hash

and taking the just taking the 25% hit because there's too much work and eventually I'm just me being me I'm like you know what I'm going to start making the hash and I'm going to get 100% of the profit not thinking like it's going to be way too much fucking work. Right.

So I build this walk-in cooler in my garage. It was sick. I did the tile work. It was great. And it held like 32 degrees, which is like you want it to be really cold when you're making bubble hash. It just produces better quality hash.

So I'm a single source operation now. I'm making like, you know, 10, 15 grand a month out of my basement, like 20, 30 out of the other place. I'm like, I'm doing really well for myself. And I'm like, I'm buying toys, like, you know, buying, we'll get into the gun thing. You know, that's for another time. But I'm buying guns. I'm buying three printers. I'm buying tools.

I was wearing this kid's designer clothes. So I didn't need clothes. I was getting that department. I wore as clothes for like two years until I went to jail. But yeah, I wasn't like spending money crazy. I was reinvesting it into the grows. The grows were just incredible. So I'm just like killing it.

I started making the rosin, it's called. I'm running both of my grows. Everything's great. You know, I'm stockpiling bills. and yeah, I mean, I'm making a bunch of money, but I really didn't want to talk about this, but it's like I have to because it just, the ending won't make sense without it. I'm dating this chick, and she's just, she's an alcoholic, meth head. she starts smoking meth like after and she she was just like crazy bro like absolutely bad shit crazy

I've dated that chick yeah it's yeah and um there was times where she thought um people were talking to her through her cat's water bowl oh my god you should definitely be on that yeah And she's calling me telling me that I bugged her computer and I'm like, I, you can't even do that to a MacBook. Like, you're being paranoid. Like, go to sleep, you know. Leave it up for seven days. Like, it's time to go to bed, okay? And she's just, like, she would just go on these fucking benders and just be impossible. and like keep in mind like she's not working she'd like drive uber sometimes and i'm you know paying her rent um buying her shit um you know just buying us food all the time and taking care of her like when she's like i thought she was overdosing one time she turned blue or her lips turned blue and i was like i got to get her to the fucking hot she's like unresponsive

like it was it was really scary so i took her to the hospital made sure she was okay um she ended up being okay like she was fucked up but she ended up being okay and then she gets mad at me because her dad's health insurance wouldn't pay for it so now she owes the hospital 2,500 bucks now i'm the bad guy i'd you know i'm like you're out of your mind but anyway so she's just impossible and one day um she was fucked up i just got done working and i like she wanted me to bring her like jewel pods or something and i was like i i can barely stay awake right now i need to go home and go to sleep and that was that didn't think she was like oh fuck you whatever i was like all right go to sleep and the good relationship it was really healthy um and so

I didn't think anything of it. I go to bed. I wake up the next day. I go to call her and, like, my texts weren't getting delivered. And I tried to, like, text her and, like, my texts aren't getting delivered. And I'm, like, kind of scared because she was so fucked up. When I talked to her last, I was like, I wonder if she's okay. And it's, like, 8 p.m.

And my text still aren't getting delivered. And I'm, like, getting ready to, like, drive over to her. apartment like she she stayed with me like a lot of times but like she was having a little mood and like was at her apartment smoke meth and drinking and i like i'm like getting really nervous and so i like messer on instagram and i'm like hey like are you there and it like delivers and then it's like seen and i was like oh you fucking bitch you block my number so i'm like fucking pissed and I'm like blowing I'm like why the fuck did you block my number

like blah blah blah she's just like reading all these messages and not saying anything and I'm just like live it at this point I'm like you are not fucking disrespecting me after all this shit no this isn't happening so like I like blow up her phone

and like I'm like you fucking ungrateful bitch you know like fuck you whatever whatever she fucking calls the cops and like shows them the text and is like

she tells them that I showed up to her house and I was knocking and I'm like what? Like that didn't happen like that didn't happen but so like the cops are like

okay we'll go handle this you know and they like show up to my house and I'm like I have my fucking grow there I have like cold room in the garage I can't have the cops showing up to my fucking house. I'm like, what the fuck is, what are you thinking?

Like, you realize, like, you're going to get me and my dad arrested because you decided to block my number and, like, started argument out of nothing. So, I'm like, I'm fucking pissed. And she, the cops came to my house when I wasn't there. Hey, what's up, Daniel? I'll see you Oh, I'll hear you, we just

I'll take, we should have That's up, man You guys doing another pre-video video? Okay, cool All right, I just This is the second one, it's fine We got a pre-a video But we're at hiring for any minute

I'll wrap it. So I go to jail for that, for harassment or whatever. Right. I'm telling my dad on the jail phone how to take care of it to grow. Because I'm like, I'm not losing a fucking crop because of this stupid bitch. You know what I mean? Right. And so I'm telling my dad.

I didn't say anything like, you know, about plant count, about much, but I said enough. And I hadn't, I didn't know this until I read my description. discovery, she had told the cops, like, oh, you guys have no idea how much illegal shit he's doing, blah, blah, blah, he's doing this, he's doing that. So they, everything together, they end up, you know, looking up a power bill, doing a drive-by, it smelled like weed. Between like all that, they had enough for a search warrant. And they searched my house while I was in jail. My dad was there. We had just harvested. So we had, I think it was like 187 pounds or something of flour and then like 12 point something pounds of hash, which is marijuana

concentrate. Luckily, didn't have any guns in the house. Didn't have any guns in the house. Didn't have I mean that was pretty much it It was enough though It was enough And I think we only had like six plants So we didn't even get in trouble for like growing But it was yeah we got possession With intent to distribute marijuana

A DF1 Which is the highest level of drug felony Here And yeah they charged my dad and I our landlord didn't we were there for five years didn't we're never laid on rent we're great tenants she throws out throws our stuff out um while my dad and i are in jail um i lose my two dogs which i loved dearly um throughout all of our belongings and then starts remodeling the house saying you know we damaged this and we damaged that but it was like a new toilet and like a $400 doorbell

and like brand new Harvard floors brand new carpet painted the whole she just remodeled the entire fucking house $175,000 that's what my restitution's for because she said you had ruined the house she said we've ruined the house but she was just taking advantage of the fact that whatever she told the courts they were going to go with her they were just going to cut her a check yeah so she said it was 175 in renovations I saw the receipts

she got a $400 doorbell she got $20 fucking cabinet handles like it was ridiculous bro and then on top of that she tries to say that the house was devalued by $110,000 it was like a $400 something thousand dollar house

She's trying to say it was only worth $3.50 now. And I said that I told my lawyer, I was like, how is she going to say that she had to do $175,000 renovations and the house has devalued $110,000? Right. That doesn't make sense, right? No. So he's like, yeah, that's fucked up. So instead of having to pay the $280 that she wanted us to pay. Oh, and she up the rent from $2,000 to $2,400 a month.

and said that we owed her four months of back rent because she couldn't rent the house out because it's getting renovated right the judge was like look lady you're going to have to pick either like the renovations or the house being devalued so she picked the renovations and um we had to pay back the 175 000 and um my dad got i say we go get some mortgages on our house I had I was like I couldn't pull it there's no way I could pull it out I thought trust me

I got you looks like a good place for Gary you take care of it I got you I got you thank you good man it's easy five years

when you get out of the half my house yeah yeah I just literally had that exact same thought after I watched your story I was like I know some people

that needs so yeah so my dad got six months jail and three years probation and they knew it was all money so I got five years in the halfway house because here you can get direct sentence to the house right but if I fuck up and get regressed I go to stay or prison for five weeks or whatever's left in my sentence I also got 10 years probation consecutive to my five years

years right so we ran through that pretty quick i thought it was going to be longer no it's great it's part it's perfect it's a that's a good time it's if we had the ghost gun thing in there it would have been well that we'll talk about it we'll talk about we'll do another one but we're yeah no that because that would that will be great dude i started doing research because i want to you know i i haven't done that stuff since 2021 so i wanted to see what i've been missing out on. Right. Bro, they have plans on there for a 3D printed hand grenade you can make. All right. Listen, you're going to get, I'd be shocked that this thing gets monetized at all.

You've only said mail on the hat. We, you've only said all that stuff. Have Colby cut that part out. Dude, that's a couple hundred. I don't, I don't know if he can. We'll see, we'll see. He'll upload it. We'll see what he can come up with. But if, you know, if I have to go through him, bleep them all, God, that'd suck. Sleep what? Listen, like, if you say, if you say the,

you can usually say the name of a drug once or twice, but if you're repeatedly saying it over and over and over and over again. You should have told me that. I know. I didn't really, I wasn't really thinking about it as much as until, but then you were going into it and going into it and going into it. And I was like, wow, he's really getting into this.

And then I started thinking, how many times has he said, you know, hash, coat, marijuana? I was like, oh, God, this is a lot. Hmm? You can't even say hash? Well, I don't know. I mean, it's obviously, you know, it's a derivative. Well, look, you know, like they know all the, it's not like you have to say methamphetamine. If you just say meth enough times, they're going to be like, oh, they're talking about drugs.

You know, so they know all the slang words. Not all of them, I'm sure, but we'll see. We'll see what happens. We'll figure it out. My bad, bro. No, it's not your fault. This isn't, you know, this is, I should have, I didn't realize how. You know,

I didn't realize how prolific you were. So, but it's okay. It'll work out. We'll fix it. Figure it out. If it needs to be fixed at all, I'd be shocked. What's so funny is I have some guys that have just said tons of stuff,

and then it's perfectly fine about other guys who have mentioned it a few times, and they get demonetized, and they just will not monetize the video. Can you, like, appeal it? Yeah, you could appeal it a few times, but, you know, after you appeal it once or twice, they'll put a thing on there where it says, Listen, enough already.

Like, you can keep asking every three months, but we're not changing our mind. Like, it's been determined. Yeah. You know, it's it. I have one that's that after multiple reviews. We've determined. It's like, I.

Um, but anyway. So, did you have any questions or anything? Like, no, I mean, I think you were super thorough. I mean, you're stuck in the halfway house now. Now, now, and it sounds like you just recently realized you owe 175. thousand dollars and you're not getting out of the halfway house until i i just can't imagine spending that much time in a half home no no no so i can still go non-residential which means like

uh ankle monitor at home no no ankle no just uh living at home but um they're they're um i need to show receipts every time i spend money they're managing or keeping on my finances they are making sure I'm working full-time. I can't, I don't think I can leave the county. So it's got, it's some restrictions, but it's, I don't know like, like federal probation. Yeah, it's like probation. And that will be, it'll be like seven months in here,

residential, and then whatever time after that, non-residential. You're fine, lucky. Yeah, up, bro, if they had found, they knew half the shit I really did. What? I'd be in the Fed right now. What happened with the, uh, with the girlfriend is you ever hear from her?

Fuck no, dude. No? Fuck that bitch. I mean, I was sure she, she's probably sorry. She probably feels bad. You know what? I don't care. You don't think?

I could give two shits. Oh, okay. A hot mess. Because there was, she was not slowing down when I was. Right. So, yeah. Did you see the video we released, like, I think, yesterday, Sunday? Uh, which one was that?

This chick, uh, Danica about, she broke her, she broke her boyfriend out of federal, I mean, at a state prison. Oh, I saw, that wasn't on Spotify. No, it's on my channel. Yeah, yeah, no, I saw that when I was looking at your channel this morning. I want to watch that. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen that yet.

Yeah. She's like, we, you know, we don't typically edit video. but it really it was over three hours long and we edited it was like three and a half a little bit more than three and a half hours long and now I think Colby got it down to like we we edited roughly an hour off of it and people are still complaining that she's she's rambling on on on and on and I'm thinking like we cut a ton out she's got a great story but she was you know she was um She was nervous, you know, nervous, and she was rambling, and we trimmed it down. But she does have an interesting story because, you know, she broke, she broke her boyfriend out of prison. I didn't watch that. That's insane. It wasn't like a camp.

It was like. Oh, no, no. Two layers of fences, guard towers. He had to get through three doors with Allen wrenches that she threw over. He drugged a guard. It's a serious. I'm going to watch it. But of course,

so it's so funny is that when she's telling it, it doesn't feel serious. Yeah. It is. Allen wrenches. Yeah. But it is serious.

And I'm kind of like just the whole time going. And she's so, and she's funny about it. She's like, yeah, you know, you know.

You mean, there would be a chill fence. She's like, I, you know, I got the bolt cutters, you know, I'm good with a pair of bolt cutters.

And she said I, you know, you're like, what are you, like, she's joking around the whole time. But it takes, her forever to get to the point where she's breaking.

Because I don't really know the story. I read a couple of, there was two articles I read about her that she sent me just to kind of like, okay, you're saying you broke a guy out of jail. I'm having a hard time believing that. I'm going to need something. He sent me two articles and I was like, oh, wow, this is real. It checked out.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. She like really broke these two guys. One, it was just her boyfriend, but he brought a buddy, you know. Of course, I mean, you know, the hole's already cut. So she, yeah, so the idea. that anybody would do that is so over the top insane

and she downplays it like it was Louisiana I was like what why didn't you say so? Wait, not to spoil the story but did she end up doing time? Oh yeah, they made it all of like

five days like five days later they all get arrested. They get arrested. She ends up going to jail. I'm sorry, they all go to jail but for some reason he doesn't have like she's got like two and a half million dollars with a bond or something he should have a hold on him because he's in federal prison

like technically technically you're not federal he's in a state prison yeah he's in him right but he escaped so they arrest him on the on the escape he literally gets a bond a low bond because for some reason somebody didn't do something in the system to say hold him he just escaped yeah

he actually gets a bond. That's, and somebody bonds him out. So, yeah, then she's calling around and she actually is in jail waiting to be sentenced and she's talking to him on the phone

going, she's like, this is, like, I'm in jail right now and you're out there. Like, this is ridiculous. So, but they catch him again. You know, this guy, he, like, he's escaped. I don't know what she said five or six times.

She's like, he's constantly getting in and out of jail. I guess his whole life is, like they I get out I fuck up I go back I get escape um he like he he's great at escaping prison he's not great at life yeah it doesn't sound like you go to jail and you realize that there's lots of guys in there they're like they know how to do time like they can keep themselves comfortable they they they have the hookup on everything they very quickly um acclimate to the to the situation easily and then they have they're they're living as good as you can live in in prison and but you realized like you you got out and robbed the bank at the halfway house right

then you went to prison for four years on that right got back out right then two years or two years into your probation you got picked up for you know selling whatever right went back for six years yeah then you got out and within a year you were caught for making you know you know counterfeit money or you know for counterfeiting money and they're like right right you got four years for that yes then you like they like they've been on they've been in and out of custody their entire life never got off probation yeah never never never never successfully completed a supervision um of any guys since they were like 15 you're like and yet you got here like six months ago you're getting paid for two jobs that you're not working people are coming to visit you

every visitation you have someone coming. You've got a ton of food in your locker. Your clothes are pressed. Somebody makes your bed. You've got a guy cleaning your room. You're on a softball team, a baseball team. Like, you're like living the best you can live in here. But you can't stay out of prison.

No. I know. They got to figure it out inside. But once they get out, it's right. They're like, I know, man. I know. It's crazy. They're okay with it.

Hey More power to him Yeah That's just not me No No I'm I gotta be done with this I mean you made the best of your situation

I'm trying to make the best of my situation I'm definitely trying I mean while you were in there Yeah I made the best of it Because I'm not still in there Trimmed off 12 years That's the way you do it That's the way to do it

The way to do it The way to do it Not everyone has Frank Amadeo At their disposal somebody else can do that that time that's too much time for me we need to spread this around you can Tommy five Jimmy you can do too Billy I'm not doing it no you're not nobody's putting money on my books no so yeah Frank Amadeo I'd love to get him on the podcast he'd be he would be amazing if he would I don't know just I just he's not going to do it how much longer is he been

for it. Huh? How much longer is he going to be in for it? Is he out? He's out. He got himself out on the First Step Act. He got himself out. Then after about a year and a half, they threw him back in prison. They violated him for six months. He got himself back out again.

Why haven't you got him on the show? Because he's just not going to, he's not going to do it. Right now he's basically terrified because they threw him back in jail. Like they literally, the government just lied to get him throw him back in. They were trying to get him throw back in custody. And he eventually went back in front of the judge and was like, where's the proof of this? Where's the proof of

that? Where's the proof? And the judge was like, where's the proof of any of this stuff? You guys are saying he did. And when they came up with, well, it was a, it was an anonymous call. Okay. And we can't prove that he left the jurisdiction, but we just got a call that we, well, where's the proof? He was wearing an ankle monitor. Where's the, well, his probation officer. sit and the probation officer like doesn't show up like he was a whole just a cluster fight you realize they were just desperate to try and get him thrown back into jail oh I'm sure and now but he's back out again but now everybody I've talked to is like oh he's terrified like now he doesn't do it he doesn't barely afraid to go to work and back like so no

interviews whatsoever oh I don't see him doing an interview plus being in prison and telling your story and you're you know unencumbered by judgment and he had 10 or 10 or so more years to go 10 or 12 more years to go when he was when I wrote his story so you know he's thinking like he's just he's surrounded by people to think all the things that he did were cool and so then I write the story he loved it loved the story and I was if you read the story like I was I was brutal about just everything his from his mental condition you know to every everything cross the board how he behaves everything And he loved it.

Just the subtitle. I mean, I was surprised. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And think about it. Imagine someone saying that about you.

You're just like, yeah. And he's like nice. Yeah. I like it. I love it. And then, you know, it was all, everything's true.

Yeah. Well, so then I get out of prison. I tell him, and he's still in prison, I'm communicating with him. I'm like, I'm going to blow this thing into a whole book. I want to start interviewing people. I want to interview this guy, this guy. And he starts helping me arrange all those interviews from inside prison. Like he's calling these.

guys he'll be interviewed and I'm starting to set up the interviews I interviewed one guy one guy that he set up the interview with and we were going to do a second interview a more in death interview and he suddenly um and then suddenly Frank realized he was going to get out of prison so suddenly the first he realized the first step act actually was going to allow him like they got passed and he realized oh my gosh I'm actually this is going to work for me I'm actually going to get let out. And suddenly he called all these people and said, don't be interviewed. And I'm like, wait a second. Like what I think happened was he started thinking to himself, you know, I'm going to get out and I'm having an opportunity to kind of rebrand myself. I

don't have to do 10 more years, 10 or 12 more years. So I have an opportunity to brand myself. Do I want Matt Cox to tell the story that he's telling? Like, it's cool in here. And, you know, it doesn't hurt me in here, but if I'm outside trying to get back into being a, you know, being a raising capital or advising companies in bankruptcy or. He doesn't want to be the emperor. Right. If I want to be a venture capitalist, like, I don't need this book floating around. Talking about Masoning Villages. Right, exactly. So he kind of tried to put the kibosh on it.

Well, what happened was I started making phone calls. I ended up getting a bunch of, I went through his discovery, I did, and his docket sheet, and I got a bunch of affidavits that were filed by people about him, which were a lot like interviews. So now I was able to feather those in. I was able to go through this documentary and transcribe it and use the transcriptions of the documentary. Yeah. And so I use that as a.

transit. And I used the first interview that I made with one of his guys. Then I contacted another one of his former business partners and interviewed him, which friend, he hadn't talked to him in eight years. Since before he went to prison. Right. So he couldn't contact him because he didn't know. I contacted him. I actually had a, I actually have a guy who contacted me and said, look, if you ever need to track somebody down, let me know I'm a private investigator. Absolutely. So he tracked this guy down. So I wrote the book with all of these guys' help,

and I also ended up interviewing a guy who was a former CIA agent. Bustamante? That's how Danny met Bustamante. After I interviewed, after he read Frank's book, and I did a huge interview with him throughout the whole book, I called Danny and said,

you need to get this guy on. Dude, he's brilliant. I love Bustamante. But listen to what happened with Danny. And so Danny's like, who is it? What? I don't know, bro. Are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, I'm sure. He goes, okay, well, give me his information. I'll contact him.

Two weeks later, nothing. I call him up. Did you talk to that guy? No, not yet. I'm going to, bro. I'm going to. Send me the information again. Fustamante then a week or two later sends me a thing saying, hey, I've never heard from

this guy. You said this guy was going to contact me? I said, okay, call him again. This went on for two months. Finally, Danny's like, calls me up. He's like, bro, man, I need somebody. I go, bro, I gave you a fucking guy. You gave you a great guy.

Right. So he contacts him. He shows up two, three days later. And then Danny, like, right after the episode, or Danny calls me and he's like, bro, that dude's amazing. That was it. I'm like, like, I'm not sending you scumbag idiots. Like this, I told you the guy's brilliant. He's a former CIA. So he's had him on like four times. Now Bustamante's doing everybody's show. Yeah. I'm doing Rogan soon.

He did Sean Ryan, right? Yeah, he's done everybody. He did Lex Freeman the other day. Like, he's huge. Let the boot him all day. He won't return a text message from me now. Oh, he's too big time now. Oh, of course not.

I don't talk to you. Cox sounds familiar. Raise the bell. I think I talked to a guy named Khan. Oh, that, that, the con man guy? Oh, I can't be associated with him. Yeah. So, yeah.

So anyway, I wrote. wrote that book. And here's the thing. Frank's read the book. So I know Frank's, I actually was contacted by somebody who, who, no, but I know he read it because one, he's posted it on his Instagram account. He's sent people the link because I was, when he went to jail, somebody who was talking to him contacted me and said, listen, I can't get in touch with this guy. I don't know what happened. I said, well, how do you, how, why are you contacting me? She said, said because I know you wrote a book about him and I said well how do you know I wrote a book about him? And she said because he sent me the link to the book and told me if I wanted to know

about him to read the book. Do you think it's actually him on Instagram? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Here's why I think it's it's him because there are photographs of him that I've never seen and these are like these are like family photos. So I really do think it's him. Yeah. Um, yeah. And like, Yeah, I definitely, not just that. His lawyer contacted me one time through Instagram because she contacted me through Instagram. Yeah, it's, it's him. I will, listen, it sounds to me like they just called the maintenance crew, so.

Now let's go. No. They missed for count. It's never anything important, bro. That's ridiculous. Listen, man, I was in a halfway house. If you didn't have a job, you had to clean like three times a day.

They make you work in the kitchen here. It's the worst. It's like it's bad enough that like I have to be here and now I have to go work in this fucking shithole kitchen. Like, oh bro and they don't let you cook the food. You're just like bagging bologna sandwiches and like it's just

yeah. But at least when you have a job you're not in the halfway house all the time even though they're taking half your money. but do they really take half yeah so already percent so like i get like a thousand dollars a check like every two weeks and i get to keep like a couple hundred bucks and then they take the other 800 and they put half towards restitution yeah and then half to our savings and we get our savings when we go non-res so it's there's just that that's because they care

about you. Dude, it's just to reform us and help us. Yeah, it is. It is. The problem is, you don't understand tough love. That's the problem. You've been coddled. They're trying to help you. Totally. It's, yeah. Making $6 an hour, I feel the love. People helping people. So it's funny, at the halfway house in Tampa run by the Goodwill, they take 30% of your gross. So think about it, 20% of your check goes toward taxes. Right. So they would take the gross and you have to write them a check for 30%. So you literally were getting, it ended up being like 47 cents on the dollar or something.

It was like, I'm making 47 cents on the dollar. And then, you know, these guys are all pissed off like these bastards and this and they all wanted to go home. But I sat there one day and I put pen to paper and I was like, I can't live for. for less than this. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because if you did them, like these guys fed us four times a day.

You know, now granted, you could pay for extra stuff. But your base meal wasn't that bad. You know, the base meal wasn't horrible. So, you know,

like I get three meals a day. I get a place to stay. They take 30%. I get 50%. All of that. I spent nothing. Like I made it, I made it like a game.

to spend as little as I could across the board. That's pretty much what I do. Right. And like I remember one of the first things I did when I went to Walmart, I bought a pair of clippers, which I still have to this day. I was giving myself a haircut. Why am I going to pay 30 bucks for somebody to cut my hair? For 40 bucks, I can get a pair of clippers.

Every two weeks, I'm, yeah, yeah. I mean, I still do it sometimes. Really? I mean, I still cut the sides of it down. That looks good. I pay 10 bucks. We got a couple of barbers in here. Oh, it's even better if you got a barber.

Yeah. I'm not letting those guys cut my hair at this place. Oh, yeah. I mean, some of these guys are like legit barbers. So, I mean, 10 bucks, go to the laundry room. Oh, listen, some of the barbers in prison. Some of them are prison barbers, yeah. Yeah, you're not going to get a better barber because think about it.

They can spend some time on your hair. They're not trying to mash them out. They're like, it's perfect. it's you know they're they're really like artisans you can be an artisan right you can be an artisan when you don't have to pay your bills yeah right it becomes just about the finished product

and not about not about getting them done as quick as possible yeah that's true so but yeah I just didn't want to use the clippers and stuff at the place you know those some of these guys are such just disgusting yeah this I'm sure you're fine he cleans shit like he has an apron uh nice clippers it's legit but as far as like living off of like you couldn't live off what you're getting bro even if i was getting all 1450 an hour that i make right of living here is so crazy like

yeah you can't get a one better apartment for less than like 1400 bucks oh yeah that's how it is and and it's funny my rent here is actually pretty reasonable like but i had an apartment that was about $14 to $1,500 for a one-bedroom apartment. In downtown Tampa? No, no. This was in a suburb. But it was brand new. It's a brand-new complex.

Now, I could have gotten for $900 a month or $1,000. I probably could have got a one-bedroom. Place would have been 20 or 30 years old. It probably wouldn't have been the... Like, this place was a gated community. Everything was nice. It was super nice. Everything was brand new.

Like, I was the first person to live there. Yeah, like $1,400 here. You're getting a one-bedroom and it's... It's like 50 years old. Yeah, no. Dirty carpet. No, like my, I live in what's, this place is probably over, probably 21, 2,200 square feet. I have a, I have a four-bedroom, three-bath house with a two-car garage built three years ago.

And how much? You're right. Yeah. Which is it? 2,600. 2650, actually, 2650. Pretty expensive. No, that's not bad

Yeah, no, for what it is, that's great But I can't afford that making $14.50 an hour Right, well, I can't afford it either Like I have a roommate, we have, you know Oh, really? Yeah, yeah Listen, I've earned out all the words if I could What was it come out to like with your roommate?

You know, we're still paying like 1900 something a month Which is great for that Right And it comes with my, I got my studio in the middle of it. You have your art studio there too, right? Or that's that's in the garage. Yeah, that's great. Can't even work in the garage. You can't even walk out. It's Florida.

You can't even walk outside right now. How hot is it? It's like a hundred here, bro. But we don't have humidity. No, the humidity will kill you. Yeah. I sold my car. Your Jeep? Yeah. Why?

I sold it. Why? Because I drove it like I haven't had it over a month, but like the month, the last month I had it. I drove it like three times in a month. And I was like, what am I doing? Why do I have to hear a car now? Yeah, but we don't go anywhere. We go to the gym in the morning. Jess drives us both to the gym in the morning. She drops me off. She leaves. She goes to work. I don't know what happened. I don't know where she's going during the day. She goes somewhere. She comes back

with a paycheck. Um, you know, so, so if I need to go somewhere, like I'll go, I'll wait on the weekends. And then I'm like, hey, I need to go to Home Depot and we need to go to Target. And she's like cool let's go and if I had to I could borrow her car but I think I did have to go to the I did travel to fuck I don't even know where I went like Indianapolis or something no wait Columbus Ohio I went to Columbus like two three weeks ago and I took you know I think now did she drop me on at Uber you do that right no I know but I'm talking about going to the airport okay yeah I thought you were saying at first that you were driving there I was like That's far drive.

Did I Uber there? I think I Ubered there. That's it. But it's like, it was like 30 bucks. Yeah. Is that nothing? What are you paying for your car, four or five hundred? I was paying like three, seventy five.

The plus insurance was a couple hundred. A couple hundred. Yeah. A month. It was almost. Yeah, but it's like, it was like 1,200. It's like, yeah, it's like 1190 or something every six months. It's like 200 bucks a month.

You don't have any DUIs or anything That sounds hot No, no ticket, nothing I had one ticket I went to driving school I mean, the last You know, 15 years You haven't really been driving much None and I'm old

Right, yeah I live out in the middle of nowhere That's crazy I know, it's a lot You should shop around Yeah, you should chop around Yeah, he should chop around It was a Geico

There's better rates out than a Geico Trust me Yeah Oh my God. Well, listen, I'm not going to Like, I'm going to try it. We're going to try and save money to buy a house. You know, not like I used to do it.

I was going to say, I was trying to think of something. Legit, you need to actually put down a down payment. You can't get it back. Like, what do you mean that's gone? You can't, can't we write a check out of the closing to a construction company? No, Mr. Poss, this is their money. That's crazy. Can we bump up the purchase?

Just like, um, just let Jess hand them. that you shouldn't even go it's gonna be too much temptation first of all I can't even think about it she's got to buy a house anyway she'd have to buy or we got to get owner financing can't buy it in my name so you want it with six million dollars oh yeah it's gonna attach to the house I can't do that I'm not stupid yeah I would just be that would like I might as well rent yeah you don't have trouble finding renters with like your record no because the when they run you, your federal record doesn't show up.

Yeah, they have to pay... So to get your federal record to show up, they have to pay like 80 or 100 bucks or something. And most renter's companies out here, they pay like the $40 one, which is just for state. No shit. Yeah.

And even the federal one, I think it only goes back. If they do it, it only goes back so far. And then the feds don't report for, like after seven years or nine years or something. and they don't report it might because trust me i've every place i've been i've been brand new complexes every single place has said you don't have a record

so i stopped saying it yeah why rate why bring that up yeah totally you know you know what's really funny is that my landlord who i you know nope i said nope i'm good ran a check everything and then a year later sent me a text one day and said i just saw you on tv I was waiting for that. I was like, how have they not seen the home title? And I was like, and I just sent him the emoji with the big eyes. That one, you know, though. And he just, he put, just said back, you know, ha, ha, ha, ha.

He goes, it's not a big deal. Listen, and he renewed my lease after that. Wow. Yeah, we've never talked about it. Hey, maybe he watches the show. I know. Like, here's the thing. What, if you saw me on TV and I had given you.

the name, you know, Lee Black, the fact that I gave you my name, like, I can't do anything in my name. If I say, if I introduce you as Matt Cox and I say I'm going to do something, I have to do it. Yeah. I introduce you, introduce myself to you as, you know, David Silver. You better. You better watch out. You've got some problems coming your way. But, you know, so he probably looked into it and said, ah, he's good. Plus, I'm on probation. Like, all he's to do is call my probation officer. I'm done. I can never be in front of my judge again. He's going to kill me no matter what it is. It's like, oh, Mr. Cox, oh, you were jaywalking. Well, let's give you 10 years to think about that. No matter what it is, he's got to be like,

oh, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think he has it out for me. I think he thinks I got a stiff sentence, which I know he believes he gave me a stiff sentence. The guy within the guidelines. but he also gave me a huge break you know like he gave me 12 years off of a 26 year sentence that who knows I probably whether I think I had it coming or not under the guidelines I probably I did not have it coming under the guidelines so well really that that's not true part of it I did have coming I really feel like I had the whole thing coming but I think he was he realizes that he didn't have to lean my way he didn't have to do it he probably would have slept like a baby had he not done it and he said you know what i really think he got hammered so i'm and i do think that these things

he's done he was promised he was told to do them you know why did he do him did he do him because he's a changed man like he even says that at my sentencing he's like i i can't determine that doesn't matter why right right it matters that i was told to do it i did it i was i believed i was doing it for a reason that i was told and they were going to reduce my sentence that's what i was told so he and i'm sure he understands like what a horrible position i was in and so he he cut me a break so you know like i don't have you know a lot of guys like hate their their judges and their their their u.s attorneys or their you know that's sorry the or in your case like the district attorneys and like he hated me and fuck that guy and that and i just don't feel like

that like the sentence and guidelines are they're draconian in the federal system they're just they're horrendous i mean bro how did elizabeth holmes get 10 years and stole how much billions of dollars and you get 26 right and she went to trial like like she didn't go in if they look she didn't go in and say look i fucked up i want to plead guilty i want to take Nope. She said, you got 26 years. That's crazy. She went in and said, I'd do nothing. Yeah, she didn't even admit. Right, no, except it's the responsibility to nothing.

I mean, the only thing with you is, like, you made them look like fucking idiots. Right. And they hate bad pressed. Yeah. They do hate bad. You made them look bad. So. He made them also look bad. So, I think, you know what's so funny is, I have a buddy.

who does legal work for inmates. He actually knows several inmates in the same prison as Elizabeth Holmes. Really? Yeah. Is it Rossini? No, it's, I don't want to say who it is. Okay, okay. So, no, Rossini's in prison.

He's not in a female prison. Oh, he's the guy on the outside who does legal work. Yeah, yeah. So, but, you know, from my understanding is like she, like, the first few months she was in, like she was having a bad time. They're like, she's, like, she doesn't. want to take a shower like she's on the computer oh she's thinking about imagine the like she never really did any time the idea that she went in i'm saying up to this she was on she was on house

arrest yeah so now you're going in in a mansion yeah yeah even if you're going to a can't like just going from having everything in the world like i couldn't i couldn't imagine it was bad enough for she she's going from up here to below zero you know she's and so they were just like like she's she stumbles around she's depressed she all she does is want to sleep she's on the computer she she's like mumbling to herself like she doesn't look like she wants to take a shower like she's just like her clothes are fucked up there like she could tell she's going through it I'm sure you know she started to really sink in I'm gonna be here a while there's nothing I can do what have you heard updates like what's what she's doing now i mean she's already gotten a few years

off her sentence she she won something and they knocked some time off her sentence i don't even know why but you know and she's going to get like these uh fSA credits that they have they have this whole thing on the first step change she's going to end up doing she's not going to do six or seven years you think that long yeah maybe it wasn't 10 i thought it was like 11 or 12 Well, it wasn't an 1100, but she's got a couple years. So she's probably at 10 now. She, yeah, she's, let's say six years.

I'll bet she does six years. And then what did fucking Sonny get, like 15 or 20 or something? He got more time, didn't he? She blamed it all on him. Yeah, that's a bad poor guy, man. You know, like, he just got fucked. A jury didn't like that mean Indian man taking advantage of that, that poor innocent white woman

who happens to be a pathological liar who speaks like this and weird yeah she didn't sound like that by the way everybody in prison is like they totally drop that like that's out the window like my little my little con man I'm a reincarnation of Steve Jobs bullshit yeah that's over good no what she was going for no black turtlenex in prison

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