Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Cult of Hollywood Secret Parties Thrown By Billionaires

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

The Cult of Hollywood Secret Parties Thrown By Billionaires

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Shop the Colgate Total Active Prevention System now at walmart.ca. If you have a club of all ages in Hollywood called The Odyssey, right, all ages meet all ages, and you've got a club that's open from 10 o'clock at night to 5 o'clock in the morning, and they have a bar on the right side of it, and you have adults in it. I'm a 17-year-old kid. I'm involved in kilos. I'm involved in Coke. I'm involved in, you know, meeting Hollywood stars.

You know, I'm walking in any club I got people protecting me. You know, I'm a big shot. I'm driving Porsches. People don't pay their bills. I'm taking I'm taking rules voices. Four-wheel drive me. You know, I mean, who would, you know, I was caught up in. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Lang Martinez, and he is a homeless advocate and an advocate for victims of sexual abuse. So we're going to have an interview and see. talk about his life and the progression of his life up to this moment. Check it out. Well, I mean, I guess, you know, one I want to talk about the Odyssey and, you know, and your story. But let's

start at the beginning. Like, where were you born? I was born in Los Angeles. I was actually born in Englewood and my family moved to Westchester, Westchester, California. And that's close to the beach area like played del Rey area marina del Rey yeah which are i mean were you raised you know middle class no you know my my family i was raised by my stepfather so i didn't know my real father until i was 11 and found i was i was mexican and my name's martineas so my name growing up was lang patrick hugh so my mom divorced my father i i have connections my family has connections. It was an article that was written.

It was Ventura County homeless advocate, Seed Redemption. I was interviewed by a gentleman by the name of Mark Alvarado, and he broke down who my family was because I've never used them to get me anywhere. So my family is connected to the La Penae newspaper. It's one of the largest Hispanic publications

in the United States, which at this time, you know, it's owned by the L.A. Times. So I was, they're rich, and my mom left my father. And she married a gentleman who is my dad, who was a machinist. So I was raised with a great-grandma, a sister, a brother. They're stepbrothers, but it's my brother and my sister. And we were raised in a 900-square-peed house up on 94th Street in Westchester,

and the garage was converted to a bedroom for my brother and I, and while my sister was in the bedroom, shared a bedroom with my grandmother. Okay. I mean, you, were you, you know, what was a school like for you? Well, yeah, I think that's where the confusion came in because I'm a Martinez. I mean, I was a Huff. I never knew who my father was. My mom was getting some child support from my father. So me being a part of the Martinez family, I went to a parochial school. So I went to Good Shepherd Lutheran school, while my siblings went to public schools. so I was in prokial school up until I was in sixth grade okay

did you get in trouble I mean were you a good student no I definitely wasn't a good student there was there was mayhem and trouble in regards to not so much my family my my father never put hands on me or my mother it was the family that I was connected to they were trouble the family that you were connected to who's that yeah you know my stepfather's family their brothers

their siblings my grandma grandpa the people that i knew was my family they knew that i wasn't really you know gary's son so you know that that was always confusion while why i was treated differently okay did you get into any trouble or well yeah i mean i'm I got kicked out of Prokio school. Why? Yeah. I was in the kickball line and somebody cut in front of me and I ended up pushing them. I think that was third grade or so.

And I remember back then the family would come down and they would talk to the principal. You know, it's under a Christian umbrella. And back then they paddled you. So mom made the decision to have me padded with the wooden paddle. And I think at that time, my principal was, his name was Uppelman. Yeah. Yeah. So, and you said they paddled you and they kicked you out?

Yeah, I got battled and I got suspended for one day. Yes, sir. Okay, but you, did you graduate high school? Did you stay in that school until you? No, I was there until I was in sixth grade. And then I went to a public school. And the public school was Oval Wright Junior High, which was in Westchester. And then from there, I went into Westchester High School.

I went to Westchester High School and no I I didn't finish high school okay what was that what was the issue what when when I was in 11th grade you know I was working for a bike shop called Action Cycle I was racing BMX I was sponsored I think it was at that time it was called Team Kurahara I think I was on Team Thruster and I was racing BMX and playing base baseball, but I, you know, the grades weren't there. I wasn't going to graduate. And at that time, you know, there was smoking weed and drinking beers and going to the beach parties. And then somebody mentioned something to me and told me about this place where I could get a job

and this guy allowed people to party. I can get into a replay. You know, I love to. So I ended up taking this job at this location. And there was young boys there. And the kind of job we did was cutting glass. And this gentleman was a, he sold cocaine and he sold cocaine on a different level. So, you know, it is. So me having troubles at home, now I quit the bike shop. I'm working for this gentleman. It's walking distance from my house, you know, over there on 94th Street. And eventually at that time, you know, I was back in 1980, you know, the coat, you know, it was the Peruvian flight, you know. And what he would do is the employees. and would get the coke from him and he was doing stuff outside his business and he pulled me to the

side eventually and he said would you like to learn the business of cocaine and that's where it kind of that's kind of like where my life went off and you know from there we ended up and I ended up selling to I ended up I was taught the business of cocaine I mean at that time back to 1980 you know cocaine was going for a hundred dollars a gram you know ounces you know you got 20. me 8 grams, you know, you got, you know, you got your pain anywhere of the average individuals paying anywhere from, you know, 1900 all the way up to 2,500, depending on who you were purchasing it, but it was a thing back then. I mean, you know, there was a, I think they talk about it in sticks. You know, the song called Snowblind, and I was a part of that. So I learned

how to, especially in the clubs, you know, where the money was being made, you know, you learned out of put 28 on 28 you were connected to shops where you were getting your cut you know with the triple beams you were bagging up you were biddling it and that that was used at the club scene and the one club was the odyssey and the odyssey is the most recognized club and known by eddie nash so i i sold there and then in regards to who so wait real quick who was eddie nash yeah eddie nash was known in the 1980s he was Pakistani. He was considered a gangster, and he supplied the who's who with the best cocaine and probably in Los Angeles area of California area. There's many articles on Eddie Nash.

Okay. So he was supplying the cocaine. You were selling. Correct. He was in why? Were you working at the, at the, did you, were you continuing the, uh, racing BMX? So you dropped that? that and you just started working. I dropped. I dropped everything and I ended up, I ended up leaving home and I ended up staying with this gentleman who ended up being my perpetrator. Okay. Were you working at the club? No, I didn't work at the club. I sold at the club.

The Odyssey, you know, there's a lot of articles that I'm involved with articles written about me. There was an article that was written in and one of the things about the Odyssey is, that they wouldn't want to discuss because it was connected to the Wonderland murders. The Wonderland Murders were murders that took place in July of 1981. And the story behind it is that Eddie Nash was connected to John Holmes, the porno star. Information was given. Eddie Nash was ended up being robbed and taking a gun coin. There was some things taken from him jewelry.

And then the story is that Eddie Nash recognized something that belonged to him. that John Holmes was wearing. And then from there, you, from there, he was ever really convicted of it, but there, there was, they called it the Wonderland murders. So the Winterland murders were, they say one of the, they were in the worst murders in California, worse than at Manson. There was five individuals there. And individuals, they say, I don't know, send people up there to, they say for Eddie to get even. And there was four individuals that were bludgeoned to death. And there was one individual that lived.

So they ended up making a big deal. They had detectives out of L.A., Robert Sosa, you know, Mark Lang, those type of individuals. So it was unsolved. When I talked to like rolling stalls, where I talked to Arnold Stern over the Daily Beaster, and that of these, I always asked them, why do you make such a, why do you make us such a big deal out of it? And we got movies and unsolved murders. You know, that type of situation, that taking place, whoever did those murders, they were gone one hour after it happened

and we'll never know who they are. You know, Eddie Nash was involved with the mob. Eddie Nash was involved with the Colombians. Eddie Nash had ties with LAPD with the movie industry. Eddie Nash was very well known. You know, he owned quite a few clubs, you know. He had a club alongside him was a Starwood.

And, you know, he had that club and that went up in flames, I think, in 82. and then eventually the Odyssey went up in flames in 85. So my advocacy and my advocacy and is about telling the true story about the Odyssey and they never picked up on that. I mean, every time they talk to me, they don't want to talk about it.

So I was in a place where I was grown to sell cocaine, and I was self-cocaine. And the perpetrators that were there were grooming. the individuals that were either being let out of The Odyssey or they were there taking young, young individuals home with them. You know, you have to remember the Tabaloy said that the Odyssey was a place where young people found their identity. And I have quite a few people, including Dr. Lois Leachola Knight, his validation is, a part of a Me Too movement, you know,

going back to the 80s, you know, organized crime, you know, everything in regards to the movement. about bringing this awareness especially now i i was there firsthand when when this was taking place you so how real quick how old were you i was 17 years old 17 years old and you and you moved in with a man and what was his name i'm gonna we can we can say this thing one time i'm under under advisement of a council well you could choose a different name i just want to know who yeah got a little report to me right well as you know we go to john you know if you want if you're tom or something well you know what i'd like to do this i was told that i'm able to on my google you'll see a case that i'm involved in and you'll see the name of the individual that

we're in la superior courts with i actually am one of the first cases that go back 41 42 years now and it says the perpetrator's name and i have a very good legal team and we were where it was actually under John Doe, John Doe. They protect perpetrators, and it was about a year ago or a year and a half ago, the judge said that we're going to name the perpetrator. So that's on my Google soul. You know, well, well, let's just go with John. So you moved, you moved in with John.

Yeah. And you believe, you know, he moved you in there to groom you. Because of what being like a sex slave or just having sex with you or. No, that didn't take place. What was taking place is, is I was selling to The Odyssey. The Odyssey had a bunch of young boys there and young girls there. So the gentleman was definitely getting his supply from Eddie. I've only met Eddie one time, so I want to make that clear.

You know, somebody, you know, like Eddie Nash, you're not going to meet Eddie at 17 years old, especially being strung out on yourself, you know, or use him. so obviously my my gentleman you know the gentleman you said john right right yeah so obviously john had connections so in order for me to be able to in order for me to be able to in order for me to selling his club you know it's like being on prison being on the yard you know you got to get that permission so what what was basically taking place at that time was is that there was more of the story because it's it's a club of all ages and if you're If you read the tabloids, I talked about broken people, runaways, you know, people had, you know, young children, they had issues with family, Louis Stars, you know, Richard Famous.

They would come to The Odyssey, and this club was open from 10 o'clock at night to 5 a.m. Well, it also had a barn as well. You know, back then in those days, you know. The new BMO, V.I. Porter MasterCard is your ticket to more. More perks. More points. more flights more of all the things you want

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V-I-Porter to learn more it just wasn't at 2 o'clock in the morning that the freaks came out at night the freaks were already there right yes sir okay so what was there is this is a I mean is there an actual organization that's that's lowering these young boys into the club no it wouldn't have to be very careful no man it's a club of all ages see when you said it's an organization no if you have a club

of all ages back in the 1980s I don't know when he opened it so I'm not going to I can't be specific I know or even will lammary on the date it was open if you have a club of of all ages in Hollywood called the Odyssey, right? All ages meet all ages and you've got a club that's open from 10 o'clock at night to 5 o'clock in the morning. And they have a bar on the right side of it and you have adults in it. Now, it's not an organization. The organization, what was the person, the organization, or the people involved were the people that opened up the club to let this happen. Okay. So men are going there to pick up young boys or girls are there is this boys and girls is it there there was young females there

yeah like the club itself identified a club of all ages find your identity that was straight homosexual you know bisexual lesbian there was children broken children try you know they were lost just like i was okay so how did this whole thing progress well and you know you You know, and it ended up progressing as, you know, selling the cocaine and then from selling the cocaine there and then we utilized to sell the other cocaine, you know, as far as the quantities to different clubs such as the shamaw, the mother load, I think backstage studio 12 and the sunset strip. That was a nude club. You know, how I progressed is my mother got involved with the authorities. How my mom got involved, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I believe. in God. So how my mom got involved is I'm not home. I'm living in Rada Del Rey. I'm with this guy. My mom's parked across the street. She's concerned for me. And I can tell that part. So I wrote that article was called Truth. Nobody knows about my sexual abuse of rape. My mom's parked across the street with my sister in the car. She pulls up across the street and she puts a gun to his head

and she tells the man to stay away from her property. He reaches down. He reaches down. He bends over, tries to hug my mom. My mom started having it. He ends up saying something to her, and my mom ended up leaving the scene, and she took off. My sister, my mom at that time, was in contact with different agencies. At that time, I think Gerald Daryl Gates was the chief of police. There was Redondo Beach in different areas. So I went in a roundabout.

So my mom found out about this, that I was involved in something that I was involved in something that she shouldn't really get involved in what she did is she was in a meeting for mothers you know mothers with you know children that are bad lost you know you know support group and my mom was in the support group and i have the name lang and my mom this walked out of the meeting and this lady runs after my mom says i know your son and my mom says how do you know lang well i have a i have a head shop you know it's called new world and it was located in a market in Inglewood. And my mom should understand, your son is with this individual name, John, and they have

an account with us where they're buying bindles, they're buying derrings, they're buying scales, they're buying cut, and your son is purchasing these things in quantities, you know, scales, dialograms, whatever. You know, that's how my mom kind of knew what I was involved with, with John. Okay. And that's when she, I mean, did she go to you? What did she say? She's trying to convince you like, hey, come home. This is not going to end well. You're going to go to jail. No, she did try. She did try talking to me. You know, she was talking to me before, before she did that. And I ended up staying with him. I think at that time, there's more to it. You know, my mom, after when she put the gun to the head, my mom kind of left things alone, knowing that hopefully, you know, it would end up right man it did but it didn't you know you know I was it I'm a 17 year old I'm a 17 year old kid I'm involved in kilos I'm involved in coke I'm involved in you know

meeting meeting Hollywood stars you know I'm walking in any club I got people protected me you know I'm a big shot I'm driving Porsches people don't pay their bills I'm taking I'm taking rules voices four-wheel drive me you know I mean who would you know I was caught up in it, you know, and plus, I'm doing it. You know, I remember one time it was, there was a phone call, and I was asked to do something, and I was with a gentleman will call Michael. So we shoot down to a valley area. It was either North Upper Park, Thadian.

It's just white house. It's got to white men surround it. But their nice houses, right? They're down towards Zellor, Bobola, and that in the valley, and just knock on the door. So I got this package. and I knock on the door and it was the one that just passed away

it was Jim Brown Jim Brown opened the door saw me I was white I'm Mexican buddy I'm white told me to sit down and he went to the phone

and I remember yelling on the phone and I remember looking over I remember the person says big Jim and I remember looking over Richard Pryor had no shirt on he was in his boxers and yeah Richard

Richard Pryor the comedian Yeah, the one that just passed away. Yes, sir. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah, he lived on, he lived on Norda.

Huh? Yeah. Yes, sir. Yeah, I mean, I can get, yeah. So, you know, before you get into it, it's just so a little bit of validation. So the night in regards to my, what happened to me, right, I was, we were with the share. Share was with Les Dudek at that time.

Les Deutek put together a band called Black Rose. And that was at the forum. And she was the front band. The back band was Wally Hatchet. And John, my perpetrator, his sister, played studio music. But at that time, Let's Do That, his bass player, was not feeling well. So my perpetrator, John, his sister's, either boyfriend or her husband, you know, was filling in for Lest that night. So, you know, we were there.

We were backstage. So what took place, what me took place after that concert. Okay. What was that? took place after that concert what i was sexually abused and i was raped okay this is at the concert or no it was after a concert yeah i don't want to get into specifics because of legalities but yeah i was after that concert yeah no i was sexually abused and no i was raped yes sir okay what i mean did you go to the police did you

no no you know when something with something with something Something like that happens, you know, you have to understand, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on right now in the media. You know, you have to understand about the grooming. You know, when a situation like that happens, you know, the individual that's doing it, whether it's to me or somebody else, he's trying to make that individual feel comfortable about what's taking place, you know. You know, it just, it's not something just, you know, right? It's about the grooming process being groomed. You know, I was at The Odyssey. you know selling and you know there there was people in there and you know they were they were trafficking out you know by security or taking the cars or or taken home and my and the individual I was involved with was part of it with another individual so there there's a whole process of growing you know when it comes to any time of situation where you're where you're sexually abused about okay did you and did you feel like was you feel guilty Did you feel like you, you were selling drugs and weren't in a position to go to the police?

No. You know, you know, you know, after that took place, that was something that, that, that I forgot about. I mean, what took place with me was, you know, my prison experience is what took place in Hollywood. You know, that situation, I blacked out of my mind until a few years ago. I didn't really realize what was going on with me because, you know, my pain. You know, I wrote an article. called it was called nobody knows what me god did and and i i i rule an article you know about me having sobriety three times five years you know keep relapsing and people say lang why why the

five years and i would always say because of the pain but i didn't know what the pain was because you know it's a regress memory and the memory was a realization that then it happened to me too you know when when you're i'm not homosexual i'm not bisexual but when you're involved and see these things happen, you know, you've got a stereotype, you know, of the individual, you know, that it's happening to. And, and, and, and now my old is, you know, I see the destruction that it also caused them, whether, whether you're heterosexual, you're homosexual, or lesbian, it doesn't matter about there's a judge. And the fact that you were violated, it doesn't matter. Does that make sense?

Yes. Yes, sir. So what happened after that? Did you stay living with John or did you move out? Did you, you know, at that point, when did you keep selling drugs? Stay around the, did you stay around the Odyssey? Were you, you know, you know, Matt, what I like to do, we got it, we can talk about something that goes into, we do have a case that's far.

And in regards, in regards to the specifics, in regards to that, right? I can't really get into specifics. Did I end up staying? I can answer that. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course I ended up staying. You know, I was thought in my mind that this guy, you know, love me. That's what perpetrators do. You know, we can get into the story if you want about, you know, the criminal and about the things that happened to others and that those stories. I mean, you know, I'm really honored. You're the first individual. You know, I've had interviews set up,

you know, with, like I said, with different media groups. I've been to Hollywood. You know, they've talked to me, you know, talk about you're the validation we know. You know, you're the, you're the first individual to be able to interview and talk about a story that hasn't been told that they know you know this is the perfect time to tell the story i mean i was there you know i was there and i saw what they did you know in regards to the murders i'll be real blot i'll be real blot with you i feel bad for the families of the lost ones but to be honest with you to make a big deal about individuals that were involved in uh what they were involved in and what they did you You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

I really have no feelings for those individuals that got killed. I really don't. I really don't care. In regards to the tabloids, making a big deal about unsolved. I mean, come on. I mean, you've been to prison. I've been to prison. You know, we've been around gangsters.

We've been around killers. Right. When you got somebody that's calling the shots like that, right, those people were already terminated immediately after that took place. I mean, we're already now in the 2020, we have no DNA, you know, we have DNA. Come on, unsolved. There's nothing to solve and you never will. It's over with.

You know, that's the problem. You know, you got a gentleman right now that was in a movie. I don't know if you watched it about Liberace's lover, Scott Thorson. Are you familiar with the movie? No, I'm not familiar with it. Yeah, well, there's a movie about, you know, about Limerachie. He was a young guy. He was 16 years old.

He was Leverachie's lover. That's in Rolling Stones, and it's a daily beast. It talks about the only live witness. Well, that's a bunch of bullshit. You know, we reached out to Scott Thorerson recently. And, you know, Scott Thornton, there was an article that just came out in the Rolling Stones by Andrea Marks. The first one was with Marlowe Stern. That was the Daily Beast.

And then we were talking to Andrea Marks with the Rolling Stone. There was a article that was talks about Scott Thorerson and talked about. the Wonderland Murder. He's released from High Desert. In the article, it says, that's why I do have a team we reached out to him. In the article, it says that Liberace set me out because he was in business with Eddie Nash, in the clubs, and he set me out to go get the money from the door. You and I, you and I both know, I mean, anybody knows that there's not a whole lot of money at the door. I mean, Liberace at that time could probably wipe his ass and probably selling shit. We could probably sell shit toilet paper and get more money than was ever at the

door. I mean, let's be real. You know, Scott also says that he, when he went there, that he contacted Eddie Nash and he ordered a pound of cocaine for himself. That's ridiculous. You're picking up door money that's not going to equate to that. And you're looking at the cost of, you're looking at the cost of a pound of cocaine back then, you know, 16, 16 houses. I mean, let's, no, but they write this. I believe Scott Thorson, I believe, you know, the part about Liverachie, I don't believe that took place. I mean, we, we know, Eddie Nash, you know, I had to order that. And then he makes another statement in the Rolling Stones article, he says, we know they were drug addicts and some say they were dirt bags and, and, you know, they, you know, we have to have closure. And I believe that some of these people are still alive.

Well, you know what? You know what? You know, we read, you know, Scott, they're not alive. You know that. And with Scott Forreston at that time, being with Liberace at 16 at the time that I was around talking about collecting door money, well, Scott Thorson was an adult himself. Scott Thorson knows exactly what happened. And we know about those parties and about the things that took place with Liberace and other movie stars. I mean, we know that.

I mean, we know that as a people we know, we know Hollywood. You know, Scott Thorson was there. You know, Scott Thorson's holy telling, the part that he wants to try to continue to market himself to see where he's. he can get or get paid where he's at right now it's 64 years old and i i feel very sorry for him because i so you were you continued to sell drugs yes sir to ultimately did you get caught like how what was the well yeah i you know i well i i ended up there there there there there was a there was an arrest one time and i i had a large quantity and i was taken i was I was taking it to a holdings place.

Well, wait, how did you get caught? Like, I mean, you... Wait, he was under investigation. See, we're going back to... Well, John, so we're going back to my perpetrator because it's in the case. So, right, we did eventually get busted. I was driving the car.

And because of 17 years old and living that lifestyle, right, I knew what to do. So at that point in time, and we went down there and we were in custody, I ended up saying it belonged to me. So, you know, when that takes place at that time, you got two individuals arrested, and I'm the guy driving the car with a cocaine, and you got two detectives there, and you say it belongs to me, and that was what I was supposed to do, and I was taught to do. You know, back there as a minor, he weren't getting time, and if you were an adult,

then we're looking at it as, you know, why is this adult with this minor? The bottom line is, you know, officer, it was my cocaine. And I went to the substation, and I was released to my mother. and, you know, I went, I went back to him. Did you end up getting prison time? Did you, what happened? What was the resolution for that? Well, the resolution was, is, you know, after, you know, after what took place with me,

I can't get into circumstances, but eventually, you know, I turned 18 years old. I was no longer involved in his life. And eventually, I ended up, I was a salesman. I've always been in the sales. And I ended up back on cocaine. And the thing to do back then was free basing. So now we're in 1982, 1983. So I started using again.

And that's when, you know, you would put the Coke in the bottle and you had separated with the ether. And you were pulling out and putting it on the glass. That's the way they did it back then. You know, that was introduced to Hollywood, you know, the free basin, what Richard Pryor did with the ether. That's how he caught on fire is what the ether bays. I mean, that's how Ricky Nelson went down in his plane was free basing. So, you know, there was a way to rocket. up you you had either you know chemist basic solution or you separated with chemist

pneumonia and then you would pull it out with the ether so i ended up starting coke again and ended up doing coke again losing jobs and and eventually you know i'm i'm on coke and eventually in 1986 i ended up i ended up robbing a kmart i ended up robbing a kmart with another gentleman it was a situation well yeah we were we we we actually ended up we were We're boosting at that time, and we got the refund. And as we were coming out of Kmart, security came after us. And the other gentleman with me ended up falling down, and I ended up pulling an unloaded firearm at security, and I got away for a short time.

And we say, well, how did they catch up with you? Well, we know when the guy felt how he ended up saying lying, he actually had the, he actually had the keys to the car. and I ended up running across the park lot, and I broke into a house while the helicopters and stuff were looking for me. Eventually, I went over the back vets and got a ride from somebody from coming in an Albuquer on San Fernando Run. Okay.

But eventually you got arrested. What they got, you got later, they come get you? Yeah, they got, they came and got me a few weeks later, you know, they had the apartment where I was at, they had it surrounded. Yes, sir. So you got brought, where you brought downtown, well, yeah, you know, I was arrested in the valley. I was arrested in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in the substation in Van Nuys.

And then because where the crime took place, I went down to, I ended up going to Foothill Division. Okay. So from Foothill Division, I ended up, you know, eventually I ended up going to L.A. County, you know, L.A. County back of those days was no joke. I mean, it was a free-for-all, you know, you'd go in. It took three days to get booked in, and then you would end up going to the 9,000 floor. That's where I learned to survive.

Yeah. What was that like? Oh, man, I mean, they had bunks. You were on the floor. You know, they didn't have computer systems, so you had to count. You had to go on the roof. People were fighting for the phone. I mean, you had blacks, whites.

And, you know, I had this name Martinez, and, you know, they were taking shit done. And, you know, if you were wearing tennis shoes or something, it was all about, what size are those? And if you didn't say my size and get up and start chucking them, they were going to, you were going to get your shit taken. If you were on the phone more than any time allocated, you had a bunch of guys waiting to get on the phone the line, yeah, you better get off the phone because they were going to grab it. So I was very fortunate.

I was wearing some Nikes back then with the blue, I had the blue suede Nikes with Dwight Swiss and there was a big black guy that came up to me and he asked me if I wanted some candy and you know smoke you know do I need a cigarette and you know what's up with those shoes and he left for a second I didn't answer him I'm in I'm in the 9,000 for you know 9,500 and there was a there was a homie because of my last name Martinez and there was a homie across the way and he was Sparrow from Beakistown and he called me over and he said hey man your name is Martinez you Mexican. I go, yeah. And he goes, where are you from? I said, I grew up a little bit in what I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know

I know some fellas from the hood. And he said, let me see your paperwork. So I, you know, you know, what's going to happen. And you know, you're going to prison and you mean, you need, you need now to make a decision who you've got to roll with. And I ended up rolling with them. And he got up and he went over and he talked to that black guy. I don't know the conversation that took place, but that's when I made the point. And I was part of the Southerners. Okay. When did you, did you get out on bond? No, there was no bond, no. On that, on that case there, we ended up, we ended up fighting it. There was no gun that was found. And I ended up, taking a deal at that time for 16 months.

Okay. That was the first time. How much time did you do on 15, do you do on the, would you say 15 months or 16 months? 16 months. Yeah. I ended up, yeah, I ended up doing nine months on 16 months, but, you know, back then they didn't have what was called SB 16. I think it's called SB 16. Back then you did, you know, you tap time or, you know, almost, you know, because you got to go through the transition, you know, to be sensual. You know, you don't get day for day. So I did about nine months.

I got out. I re-violated after about 56 days. And when you violate out there, now they, you know, they put different things in play in the 90s as far as halftime. But when you violate then, you get the whole violation. They can give you three months, six months. They can give me where up to my, up to your year. So I ended up catching a couple violations and doing, doing the full year. What were the violations for?

Well, just using or stealing or being somewhere I wasn't supposed to. me you'd get violated back then okay and so i mean what was prison was prison all right was it rough well yeah i mean yeah it was rough but i ended up i ended up you know i think i i talk about that and the california inside you you learn what the rules are you know the rules of engagement you're i both know you're going to mind somebody and if you're running with certain people you're going to act right you're going to take direction you're going to take orders

and I learned real quick being young that I learned how to take orders yes sir so when you got out what happened did you get a regular job everything right you started selling insurance everything you know you know I ended up

I ended up getting out and then you know I've always been good at sales as far as you know TO closing stuff like that either working in the janitor business, car business, or selling even copiers. So, you know, getting out only lasted for a short time. And then I ended up catching a, I catch, I ended up catching another case, I can remember as that was a G. I ended up catching another case for a burglary. How do you, if you're doing sales, how do you catch a case for burglary if you got a job doing sales? That's hard.

I start using again, you know, as you, Ryan, I'm a recovering addict alcohol. I mean, I just had five years. I just celebrated my five years of sobriety a couple days ago on the 25th, man. I have five years, Quinn. Congratulations. Thank you. So, yeah, like any dope pain, you know, you know, when you're in prison, just like anybody else, you got the thoughts of getting out, getting the girl, you know,

get the job and that's going to fix me. That, you and I both, though, that doesn't work. That didn't fix you. So you did get the job. Yeah, but you got back on drugs or alcohol or some type of an addictive substance and you ended up burglarizing some houses or when you got caught right away? No, I ended up, I was boosted a lot in stealing commercial burglaries. They ended up accumulating and I ended up getting arrested from that and going back to prison.

And going back to prison. I actually discharged the first number and then I ended up catching a, it was a second number. either a K number or an N number. I think it was K number. And so this was, so how long did you do on this one, on this bit? Well, it was 16, 4A thing. I can't remember it was 3. I can't remember it was 3 or it was 4A. I can't remember how much I did on that one. I ended up doing a few years on it.

I ended up, you know, as always, you go to reception at that time. You were going to Chino. You know, so, you know, I've done time at, you know, solid debt. I've done time at, you know, SCRC, I've done time at, you know, Wasco, I've done time. I just got out of corkron in 2015. Abinnell, yeah, I've been into quite a few prisons. So, okay, so you went in that time, got out, got another charge? Yeah, I got out after the K number.

Yeah, I ended up getting out, and I ended up getting another charge. That was the one, yeah, I ended up getting in charge on that one. I can't remember how many years. It was a lot of years, so I ended up taking a narcotic number. California, it was a long time. I both came out with an N number. So N was a narcotics number. So you would get this deal, depending on the crime and my crime, you know,

and ball in parameters. So I took an N number and the judge would grant it, and it was an N number. And then from that, you would go through time in a facility called CRC. You know, it's supposed to be a... Right. It's not. Wait a second. So you got out again, you got back on drugs and started selling drugs.

No, I've never, no, I started using drugs. I was stealing from my habit. The selling drugs and selling drugs and stuff like that were kind of over with when I was a minor. Okay, so you were using drugs. Yes, sir. And you got arrested. How did that happen? How did you end up getting arrested again?

I can't remember. I can tell you about the last one. If you want to talk about the last one, I mean, I just, yeah, you know, the last one, I was strung out again, you know, I was doing crack. And at that time, you know, the methamphetamine, you know, the crystal. And I was out in the valley. And I was hit in different stores and hitting and, and eventually I ended up. When you say hitting, what does that mean? You're robbing them? Yeah, I robbed people in my past, yeah. Getting stores means I was boosting from them stealing from all. I'm sorry. So you're boosting from, so you're stealing from some stores and you're robbing drug dealers? Or getting stuff from drug dealers, yeah.

When you start using, you find other people to be a part of it, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I never, yeah, I was, you know, drug, yeah. So the last one, the last one was 2011 and then is 2010. I ended up stealing from a, I ended up stealing from a store in La Crescenta. And when I left the store, the highway patrolman put the lights on me and I went in the pursuit. And when I went in the pursuit, I went into a neighborhood. I got out of the car.

I ended up hiding out in a laundry room. And those helicopters had me down as armed and dangerous because, you know, whatever was in my file from the past. And they were looking for me for about six hours, door to door search. And I ended up making the LA Times on that one. Now, I ended up after the helicopters went away, I ended up, who. leaving the location where I was at and stole a bicycle from the area next door and I got away. So they were already looking for me. And then once I got away from that, I ended up back in the valley. And I stayed somewhere. I sold the bike I had. And then I ended up,

I ended up stealing a car, gramped up to auto. I stole a car. And then I was doing the same things. And then I ended up in Burbank at a mall location. And then when I came out of the location, they hit the lights on me too. And that, that ended up. up in a high-speed pursuit, too, where it ended up, it didn't last year long. They had me blocked off, and they ended up getting me in North Hollywood. So I ended up on that one. I ended up getting seven years, eight months with 80%. Okay. Yeah. Seven years, eight months. You did 80% of that time, so what, five years? Yeah, a little over four years. Yeah, I did that, I did the time in Corcoran. Yes, sir.

Yeah, so I got out in 2015, I got out in 2015, state sober, relapsed, you know, ended up relapsing, and using, Carl wasn't that stringent. They'd try to help you. And then I made a decision. After that number dropped, during while that number dropped, I ended up in L.A. and I ended up getting myself into a program. Okay. What were you doing after work?

I was stealing. Okay. Well, now. Yeah. See. Now. During this time, were you ever married kids? Yeah, I was married.

I was married in 2000, in 2004, I was with somebody, and I had a son. And I was in Vegas. I had a janitorial business in Vegas. And I ended up using that, and I ended up losing everything on that as well. And my wife ended up divorcing me and her and my son ended up. They live in Texas. Okay. Yeah.

So you got out recently, 2015. You relapsed. You jumped back on the wagon. Yeah. And you're, and now you're doing what? Well, you know, I got sober on July 25th, 2018. And I'm going into a program. When I got out of the program, I came back to Ventura County, and law enforcement didn't recognize me.

And you're laying, and how come you, Lang, why are you dipper left? You know, living with the homeless population out there as well. And they used to come to the office, and they would ask me how I did it. And I was working out for, I ended up owning that business. I was working for a gentleman, and he was getting upset. I was working for a place right across the street to where I was homeless. It was called Plaza Park. So what happened is I, at that time, I had a, I have a pastor, Pastor Gil, he met with me.

And we were standing in front of the business and he said, Lang, why don't you look across the street? And I looked across the street and it was about 50 homeless in the park. And he said, I want you to look, Lang. And I said, okay. And he said, that's your calling. So I ended up speaking and I ended up speaking to city officials showing up in meetings. I was in the first documentary, humanizing the homelessness in Oxnard, and there was a panel, I was with officials. First article, I think, went out. It was the first article ever released in the newspapers about a homeless individual is called Being Homeless in Oxler Park.

Yeah, nobody knows what me being homeless in Plaza Park. And then there was other articles going out. Then I ended up getting caught up with officials in regards to homeless encampments going out and doing outreach. And then it just went from that. there, I ended up being in quite a few publications, and there was another interview with me. It was called The Plight of a Homeless Men. That was one of the first articles with the interview to go out in Ventura. And then I was eventually in other publications, Recovering Keys to Recovery Magazine. I was in a few of their editions. I was in their anniversary edition. The five-year anniversary edition, they had a celebration where they were giving an award to Danny Trejo, the actor.

and then I've been in quite a few articles I think 30-something they were yeah I agree yeah so go ahead I was going to say are you and you're running that business today the credit business yeah no you know the credit business is called one-two-three credit fix I ended up owning the same credit business what happened is the credit business right now we're not doing it I had a situation that came up a couple years ago and you know being caught up with city officials and politics. I had something happened to me. December 10th a couple years ago, and I was arrested for something I didn't do. And they had gun charges on me, home invasion, and I was arrested. In fact, I was in the Ventura County Star newspaper on the 5th of that December. Tenth I was arrested. I was

supposed to speak in regards to the longest day in regards to homeless individuals that passed away. And we ended up, we ended up, that one I ended up, we ended up bailing me out on December 28th. And, and May 4th, that made the newspapers too, not in a good way. They had me on newsbreak, homeless advocate, blah, blah, blah. And then May 4 judge, it's in the article, Homeless Advocate Seast Redemption. The judge went to the DA and said, we're not going to charge him. And they said, pursue what, pursuant 1385, 1385. 1885 point something PC in the interest of justice.

We're vacating all charges against Lang Martinez. So I had the credit business. What happened is the media went off at that time. So we left, and I ended up going to the valley. And I was in the valley. We ended up getting me in a part in the valley. And we wanted things to calm down when the charges will drop. That was on May 4.

And then finally, it hit the Google. All charges were dismissed against Lang Martinez. and then we did it carefully. And then there was an article. The same place I was arrested in Fillmore, we wanted the article to go out in Fillmore. So the article of homeless advocate seeks redemption went out in the Fillmore Gazette,

and that was me being interviewed by Mark Gavarado, who used to work for the city of Oxnard, kind of explained my journey. And go back a little bit in regards to the crime of 2011, my people were able to reach out to a centerweek laying in LA Times and they interviewed me and there was an article that went out to an apology to the community

you know the program talks about making an amends so there was an article put out where it was a true article and they were I wanted to apologize for my actions and I also wanted to say that I didn't make excuses for what I did so yeah I've been involved in a lot Matt

all right what's your primary what do you do for a living now what do you do now right now i work for i work for a gentleman he has a he has a location that it houses quite a few individuals at oxford and i i help him right now i also like a shelter you work for a home of shelter it's it's it's like it's it's it's it's It's not a homeless shelter. So a homeless shelter, so I'm completely different than a place where people are accountable. So I work for a place. It's like a sober living.

It's okay. And he's a gentleman that owns a real estate company. He has his old franchise. Right. And then I get paid for other stuff, whether I do speak or, you know, as far as honorary and stuff like that. I just got done doing the last two articles, you know, because of the homeless situation or everywhere, I, we ended up, I ended up, I wrote an article. It first went out in the VC reporter.

It was called Transparency and the millions of dollars being spent. And then I wrote another article that went into Montecito Journal. And that was called Baburcy versus Homelessness and the millions of dollars being spent. And then, you know, I get, and then after that, I ended up doing California Insider. And that's with Epic Times Media Group. And I did that interview a few months ago. All right So I had some of it

So you know I'm an advocate I you know speaker You know you know I'm very blessed to be on on your show I was asked yesterday if I would speak for a group called active faith organization That'll be coming up on August 12th And then I think next week I'll be going to

Either Modesto or Freso Oh it's Katie Media Lance can't remember his last name he has a he has a podcast like you called raking down doors or i can't remember now i think i'll be on that next week okay well do you just feel like there's anything anything else you want to discuss well no i mean i think you know where you where you've been and most of your guests on your shows i mean the biggest thing i mean the biggest discussion right now is the awareness and about the children you know what you're

The movie just came out, you know, some, some freedom. And, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's real. You know, it's real. There's untold stories. There is Hollywood. I was there. You know, you know, people don't want to talk about it, but, but it's real. You know, adults indulging themselves with minors is real.

You know, I'd like to say, you know, when we go back to the Odyssey and stories that aren't told, You know, when I talk to somebody in the media, I say, we got individuals, yeah, they lost their lives. But we have, we have thousands of lives that were destroyed. We have thousands of lives that were destroyed by, by individuals that took advantage of our innocence. And, you know, we call them pedophiles. We call them perpetrators, chicken hawks, whatever name. we want to put on the bottom line is these individuals that are doing these these things to kids they're they're monsters man they're they're they're they're monsters you know that they have

the right to do what they do you know i'm very blessed to be a part of children the night children of the night's an organization out here in the valley dr loisly and and what she does is they go out and they've been doing it since 79 and they've been rescuing runaway some prostitutes off the streets. Dr. Lee has an organization. Dr. Lee was also at The Odyssey and in fact she was out there pulling children out of the Odyssey and she tells me when we talk sometimes she says laying no I can still see their faces and I said I don't know what do you mean Dr. Lee? She said a lot of those children ended up with AIDS and I was there when they passed away you know she was there you know so i'm involved with uh nasca national association of adult survivors of child abuse so i'm trying to

do a lot of things like you know what what you do is trying to get back is i want to get back from the life than i am today you know i'm no longer that person than i used to be you know i'm just trying to do the right thing one day to time man hey do be a favor if you like the video hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified videos just like this please can consider joining my Patreon. It's only $10 a month. That's really nothing, honestly. Leave me a comment in the comment section. And we will put the links for Lang's social media or in any type of the advocacy groups that he works for in the description box. And I really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. See you. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Alex Rosen, and he is very much like a, kind of like he runs a channel on Rumble that is very similar to the show that Chris Hanson used to do, which is, you know, which was hugely popular, and it's basically he's exposing guys. or people I guess in general that do inappropriate things or attempt or say listen but just watch the video it'll be all right it's worth watching so I had a but I had a guy who mentioned in

the comment section hey because people will watch this and don't say well this isn't his although this still crime related it's crime related definitely right but a guy said hey you have to check out this guy and he gave me your name and your channel and said you have to check him out he's in florida right now and i was like um okay you know and i i didn't like i didn't know who you who you were he explained who you were and what you did so i screenshot it i sent it to my booking manager and like it was either the same day or the next day he was i got the guy i talked to him he's in florida he can be there either today or tomorrow and i was like like wow and then we talked and then that was yesterday and then you know you're here

today. And I actually move some stuff around. And so yeah, it's interesting too. Because even still, even then I was like, like, what? I don't understand. Like, who is this? So he sent me the video and I watched the video of the rental truck video. And the guy had driven what, several states over. Yeah, I drove from Ohio all the way into Pennsylvania. It was only like an hour, but like crossing state lines were into a van to do it. I mean, that's pretty, pretty insane. To meet to meet. I mean, can I say it was basically to meet like a 13-year-old and a 9-year-old to meet them to, anyway, to see what happened. So he, but the way you, like, you know, I've seen these kinds of videos and the guys get out and they're super aggressive and they're just,

and they're super condescending, like a Hanson would go in. And as soon as he walked in the room, he was so condescending, he shut, the guys shut down right away. but you you like walked up said all the appropriate things moot said hey let's go ahead and talk outside you you were you were so non-judgmental that that guy just started just spewing out everything and i noticed after a while he kind of started backpedaling yeah yeah yeah realizing like this isn't like i'm saying the wrong things here and um and but by then it was way too late and i mean it was just you know unfortunately I even mentioned to Connor, I said, I hope this guy has a sense of humor about this.

Not that it's a funny subject, because people get nuts over it. But it's just the absurdity that these guys and the lengths that they go to. And it's just they're so oblivious to what's happening, what they're doing, that it's wrong. Yeah, it's insane. So how did you get into this? I'm sorry. So basically, I started doing this at 19 years old. I'm 22 years old now. I know you see the hairline and everything. But you got to understand dealing with these people for three years, seeing all these pictures sent online that I'm not going to say here. Because, you know, I care about your channel and stuff like that. But, you know, seeing all that stuff, I mean, then having a bald dad, you know, it makes me look way older at 22. You know what I mean? But so anyway, I've always wanted to be a police officer. I'm from Houston, Texas. I still live there, sadly. Um, you know, so I was playing college football my freshman year, um, at Texas Southern

University. And, uh, we had three weeks off for summer. Like, you know, we just finished like spring ball. So we have like three weeks off. And, you know, I was going to bed like at 10 p.m. every single night waking up at like five to go to the morning workouts and whatnot. And, you know, so I just break all of that for the three weeks of summer. I'm like, oh, finally I'm going to eat some ice cream now. I'm going to, you know, that, I'm still doing it sadly now. But like, um, you know, just break this, go to sleep at 6 a.m. So I got into like these videos and, you know, I was like, this looks really fun to do. This is interesting.

I'm like, I got nothing else to do. Like, because, you know, I see the Hansen, see all this. I'm like, there's no way. There's so many people going to do it. I'm like, I can't even conceive like, even, you know, I was at the time 19 years old. I'm like, okay, I can't even go meet like a 15, 14, 16 year old. You know what I mean? Like, I can't even comprehend this.

But, you know, so I'm like, let's see how fast this actually happened. So I just throw up a picture on Grindr. It's a gay dating app. And within 30 minutes, somebody wanted to go meet who they thought was a 15-year-old boy. I was like, no way this is this common. And just those three weeks, I just kept doing it over and over and over again. And it was just so easy to get these people. And, you know, it was very fun at first.

I always wanted to get the bad guys, and I couldn't be a cop yet. I think I was just going to do two years of college and go be a police officer. But, you know, it wasn't set in stone yet. And, you know, it just kind of led to where we are now. like it started to get so bad like you know there's one catch that's on rumble now where we confronted this guy working at an ice cream shop and his co-workers were defending him and I'm like okay this is a serious issue and that's kind of what turned on the passion switch was like maybe the 10th catch

and then from there you know there was a time like in 2020 I'm like okay we're going after people going after 15 14 year olds let's see how deep this really goes and now the past trip that we just did we caught two people that were into infants and dogs and they were both arrested. It's a very deep rabbit hole with these people. So you contact the authorities. Like when you're on your way to meet them, you guys call the authority to say,

look, this is what's going on. We need an officer. Or do you do it like as you're talking to these guys and you're wrapping up? Do you guys then call or like how does that work? It's kind of a combination. So for example, the guy that was into the guy that was into infants and dogs in Arizona, we called the cops midway through. because typically what I like to do is, you know, we have the messages, always set in stone.

Then we have, hopefully, which happens a lot, them confessing on camera to what they want to do voluntarily. Like we don't say, do this or else I'm going to do this. And, you know, so we have all that. Then I tell one of the people go order the fried pickles. And fried pickles is code word for... I knew something was up. I knew it when I saw that. I don't know how many criminals watch this channel, but ignore what I just said if you're watching.

You're a criminal. Because at one point you said, hey, can you go ahead and get the fried pickles? Because I come here. I always get them when I come. And I thought, that seems odd that out of nowhere. He just said that. Like, that's got to be cool. I know.

Like, I'm not like that fat to where I'm ordering, like, actual food, like, mid-catch. I mean, I'm getting there, but not yet. And, you know, so then with the guy in New Mexico, the decoy reached out to the sheriff's office beforehand, and they were willing to technically not work with us. But they were willing to be aware of what we did. And, you know, they just happened. to be watching the stream as we were doing it and you know when i ordered the food they just happened to be around the corner and go arrest the guy so you know well man that you know you know i don't know where to begin like the guy i was going to say the one the one yesterday he yeah he

just started to spill everything just started very you know but the thing is the well first of all you're a big guy so it's not hard for you to move the guy to you know and you just said hey let's talk out here. I mean, the guy's like looking up at you. So he's like, okay. So he immediately bolts out the back and you're standing there. But you're all, you were also, you know, like I said, you were non-confrontational, non-jured, like, like I can't see where he was say, oh, I felt uncomfortable or anything like that because you were so just, you know, appreciative of him moving out there, talking to you, having conversation. And multiple times, you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, I don't, I don't think you're, I don't think that's weird

at all. No, that's fine. No, no, no, that, no, that, no, I, you seem like a nice guy. And you were very, you know, and you're pulling out the transcripts of the, of the, of the text conversations, and you're like, well, here you say this and this. I mean, you seem very respectful. And, you know, you were going on and you were making him feel comfortable. And the more comfortable he felt, obviously, the more he talked. Yep. But, God, the stuff he was saying. I know.

I know. I mean, he, he was absolutely one of the worst. I mean, he worked at a daycare. And, you know, that's for one reason only. He rented the van. He rented the van. What? As soon as I saw the van, I said, well, he was.

There's no reason for like a 45-year-old man to go meet a couple of young individuals with a van. Like that immediately makes me think serial killer. Yeah, absolutely. And the fact that he said he's been caught before by cops doing this and they didn't press charges. They dropped the charges. I don't understand. You know, so that's crazy. Like, especially when it comes to something because, you know, with you, you know, you got arrested for fraud.

That's fixable. You know what I mean? You're not, you're not genetically a fraudster. But I think these people are genetically. the way they are, I would just say. And, you know, when they show you that the first time, like, believe it, you know. Like, there's no, like, I guess even with something like, you know, say I go and head in a, how do I say, just rope somebody at a G to the beginning of that word, you know, just grab their, but they're my age. Right.

You know, I can, you know, I can fix that. I can just not do that again. But I think with them, when they're going to try to meet, you know, younger ladies under 18 off the Internet, I don't think that's fixable. I think in their head they just have to do that. That's just how they are. So I was, so when I went to prison, obviously, I told you that. But I was, you know, I was held in like a Marshall's holder for like a year. Then I was sentenced.

Then I did three years in a medium security prison. Well, it, so there's not a lot of, of. offenders there like this. Right. Because they'll hurt them. You know, like they're not, they don't do well. Right. You know, they basically have to stay in the unit.

They, they don't go in the rec yard. They, if that when they go to chow to eat, like they literally, when they call last call and basically the chow halls empty, these guys, there might be 10 out of 1,800 guys. They'll immediately rush out of the unit, go straight through the line, grab their food, eat as quick as possible, go back to the unit. Because they have a unit that has, is there at Coleman. they had a unit that was specifically for people that had mental problems, and they would stay in that unit. You know, and they're, I mean, like guys that are schizophrenic or, right, right. So, but at the low, 50% of the inmates out of 1,800 inmates at the low security

prison, 1,500 were either there for that specific charge for looking at pictures, almost all in federal are looking at pictures. Typically, they're not, we used to call them hands-on. They're not hands-on. Hands-on typically end up in the state. It's a state crime. If you're looking at things on the internet, the feds get involved. So most of these guys looked at stuff on the internet.

Now, some of them had actually videoed things, and they actually were a part of creating, you know. Rings? Yeah, yeah. Like, for instance, there was at one point, there had been like a bust of honestly there's probably a thousand maybe even more of guys that were paying like four or five hundred dollars a month to be a part of a website where a father was doing things to his daughter since she was like the age of like nine and she'd been he'd been

doing it for like three or four years eventually a guy got caught for something else and he told the authorities, listen, I can help you with something. This is what's going on. I'm a member of this site. And the site's huge. And so they go in and they get all of these guys like IPO addresses. They trick they IPO? IP. IP address? What am I saying? Okay. Their IP addresses, they track them all down. They set up stings. They arrest hundreds of them. Nice. We ended up getting like, we probably had 30 of the same guys on the same case. Like they don't know each other, but they're all in the same case. And so, like, you know, that's extremely, like, to me, it's like, you're looking at a, a picture, an underage, you know, underage person, a picture of them, like, okay, you didn't

really do anything. Like, I get it, you know, you're a sicko, you're a pervert, you need counseling. I don't know if you know, need prison, but whatever. I don't make the rules. But you're a member of a site where some guy is doing something. Like, you're promoting that. Right, right. You're paying. Yeah, it fuels the market for it. And I think they're indirectly, I think they're indirectly doing it. I mean, the same way, the same way that these only fans, people get this affirmation because all these simps are like, you know, promoting them.

It's the same way. Like without all these people paying for it, would the abuse still happen? Maybe. But would it be, I mean, would it be distributed like it is? And it wouldn't, you know, it wouldn't get to a point where the dad's doing it for like a profit. And, you know, he wants to like do it more and more. and more hundreds of guys hundreds of maybe even thousands of people are paying and this is a thing too this is what killed me when somebody had told me about it like hey bro like we got like 30 of these guys from

this one guy I was like really and they were like yeah they've been coming in over the last two couple two three weeks because they all get sentenced at different times and move so over the last two three weeks they're like that guy that guy I'm like oh wow that okay and I remember saying um well me you know and they were saying yeah those guys are like contributing to yeah of course this crime and I remember saying I was like I said well I mean what would someone pay for that anyway and they were like the guy and he they told the exact figure and I remember thinking that's a car payment like you've got you're making a car payment to to be a part of this this site and one of the guys was a principal of a school a lot of these guys put themselves in a position to be around young adults right yeah I want to say young adult you know younger ladies under 18 yes yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah, like, I mean, the daycare worker, gosh, the guy, the video that we posted two videos before that, that guy, he went out, I mean, he has no job, it didn't do anything. He's on, he's on welfare, but he made sure that he gets to babysit his friend's kids. Like the one time he leaves his house, he's doing it to babysit his friends' kids.

Like, when we confronted him, he was in his pajamas, like, at 6.30 p.m., you know, but he'll get dressed and suddenly want to be social to go do that. And, you know, it's not a coincidence. Like, apparently, at the daycare, the guy's only been working there for a couple weeks because he just was homeless. He, you know, got his life back on, well, temporarily back on track. And so luckily he was supervised by like the other woman there because he couldn't be alone with the kids yet. But I think it was only a matter of time.

And I'm glad he decided to go do this. Actually, I'm glad he decided to go do it because we all know how he was. He's been caught before. He has that attraction. So I'm glad he slipped. up again and they got exposed for it you know a lot of these guys like they'll get time they get out so first of all it's funny because in florida they used to not let them go to halfway houses right and that's a big i mean i know you don't you know you've haven't been locked up but like

you go to prison for five years you've lost everything right you know and you get you need to go to a halfway house uh for six months or so to just a you get a job you save some money like if they if they just dropped you off at the corner like how am i going where am i going right oh you your friends and family. Well, what if you don't have friends and family? If you're a criminal, there's a good chance that they've turned their back on you. If you're one of these guys, they're done with them. Oh, yeah.

Like almost always. And then Florida used to, really only about a year ago, they started letting them go to halfway houses again. It was like 10 or 15 years where one had gone to a halfway house, committed a crime in the halfway house. They said, uh-uh, we're done with these guys. And they cut them off. But they just started letting them go again. to you know get back on their feet but then they can't it's hard for them to find some place to

to live they're all terrified of what's going to happen when they get out um they do not have an easy time in in coleman like i mean in prison in coleman they had an easier time than most prisons at the at the low that i was at because it almost caters to them but they still they're bullied They're pushed around. They're told they can't watch TV. They can, you know, you can't come in the TV room. You can't. It's, it's rough.

And then they get out. Of course, they have to start their whole lives over again. So the, so there's a lot more stress on them. And I'm telling you right now, a ton of, not a ton, a lot of them do come back. There were some guys that had been in state prison once or twice. And we're now in federal prison for 10 years. Like, like you, listen, it took me one time to go to prison. I'm not going back.

you know but you're right there's something they're wired wrong and the the other thing is now they have something called the um it's like public it's a public safety factor where they make them go take a course and if they don't pass the course then they won't release them like they can permanently keep them in prison supposedly that's a law but I don't know if they've done it yet the other thing is when these guys get out and they're on probation they make them take a lie detector. They're not typically not allowed on social media. They like they're on they're like they're on them. They're supposed to be on them. Law enforcement often questions him not because he's suspected of a crime, but because they find him fascinating. He is the most interesting

man in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon The amount of offenders Yes the amount of offenders That we've caught Gosh I'd say probably like 10 to 15% of the people

We catch our offenders Like the guy in New Mexico I mean he was facing charges for You know viewing his phone the wrong way And you know Yeah yeah

And he fake From what I understand He faked his death Carl's bad New Mexico PD He thought he was dead And you know Because we showed his face To the detective beforehand

And he's like He's dead. I thought that guy was dead. He's sure at this guy? I have a video. Yeah. So then we like, so he turns out he's living in his parents' shed. And he has a VPN to show he's in like a city like 30 miles north.

And he ends up going to meet like he was originally supposed to meet a one three-year-old. Like I'm sorry, a 13-year-old, you know, 13-year-old. And he ditched that to go meet who I was posing as. I was posing as a mom of three kids, seven, two, and one. And he just stopped talking to the 13-year-old, went to go to them instead. And then when we go meet him, he wants to go meet at a church. And he's like, I'm over here, I'm over here. Like, we were supposed to pick him up and take him to the house.

But then he just confesses to wanting to, you know, he had a line. He said he wasn't going to do anything to the one-year-old, but the two-year-old, that was fair game to him. I mean, this is genuinely how he thought. And he just admitted to watching 20 years worth of illegal stuff on his phone. And then the cops came about 30, 40 minutes later. They were watching the stream. And I deeded him. And well, he wasn't dead.

And now he's in jail. And Eddie County, New Mexico jail for the moment. So do you sometimes have to have to go, like once they grab these guys, do you sometimes have to go and testify at like a trial? Like, do they go to trial? Very rarely. Not rarely because they don't get charged. Rarely because, I mean, they're on video saying what they're going to do,

then all the messages. So, I mean, they'd be dumb to not take a plea deal. But there's one person that did, in fact, go to trial that I actually had to go, supposed to testify this morning at a preliminary hearing, but they waived it last minute. I was going to do it over Zoom for a guy in Pennsylvania. But there is a guy that went to trial. His name is Jeffrey.

God, I don't even know how to see his last name, but it's a really weird name to pronounce. I think I'm Wanninger or something. And he's in Iowa. And so the trial wasn't specifically for the charge of trying to solicit one of our decoys. It was for a chomo charge. And the reason why I had to testify in that is because on the video, he admitted to me to, you know, having a relationship with a stepdaughter. And so they played that part in court.

He pleaded not guilty to it despite confessing to the detective, confessing to me, having the messages saying he did it. and he got sentenced November 7th to 35 years in prison. In state? In state, yeah. And that's not all. Then he's also now in Polk County jail because he got convicted in Madison County. He's in Polk County, Iowa jail now. He's awaiting trial for now our video of soliciting the decoy.

So he's going to jail for the rest of his life, luckily. Jeez, I can't imagine going to a state facility with that charge. it would be horrible horrible I mean there's like two people in Iowa so he might be okay but like still probably not they'll punch him out I'm sure it's not going to be it's not going to be hard

it's not going to be easy I mean it's going to be some hard hard time I was trying to think what are the other things that I'm trying to think of all the different things that they're trying to do to curb the behavior and curve like you know they can give them shots they can do there's all kinds of stuff that the federal government tries to do

they monitor the hell out of them um yeah but i don't know i don't know what what stops it i think like i just think that you know there's a you know there's just myth in society that everybody's equal and deserves a fair shot i think it's i think that's bs i don't think everybody's equal i think those people are i think i think those people are just i'm sorry some people are just born messed up and you know i and i think this has to do with in a way kind of how politically correct we're getting like oh it's okay they're just they just need help they just need help no there's no helping these people they're like they're like the energizer bunny they're going they're going to keep moving their legs to what they want to do you can put a roadblock in front of them okay you remove five years

of prison they're going to keep doing it keep doing it there's no stopping these people like there's no like okay so i got arrested in 2019 for uh dw i and i was in doing i was on the wrong side of the road it was dark as heck and i was in the country so i didn't know what's out of the road i was on but you know i did six hours in jail and that's enough for me to like really make like, okay, this is this, this is that, don't do it. And, you know, I ended up getting dismissed. I had nothing in my system. But, you know, that's enough for me to, like, curb me.

Like, that's a six hours to me as a wake-up call. And for a lot of these people, we caught a guy in Ohio. He did 20 years for, you know, making his daughter's belly big via, you know. Right, right, right. And he did 20 years for it. He's literally got out like a couple years ago, and he's trying to go talk to, you know, to an 11-year-old, and he confessed to it. He even sent over, he even sent over in illicit image to who he believed to be this,

you know, younger lady under 18. And he just went right back into jail. We just told the detective after it happened, and, you know, next thing you know, just a week later, we just see him on the list as like in jail. So, I mean, I have a slightly different, you know, because I, because I, because I, I was in a prison where, like, half of these guys either, you know, they had either those specific charges or those charges in their past. Like, you might be here on a completely different charge, but in your past, you have a charge.

So they can't send those guys to, you can't send those guys to just anywhere. You know what I mean? Because one of the things that happens when you get to prison is they want to see your paperwork. Right. So it's going to be listed in your paperwork. They're not going to be okay with that. So, but, you know, I spent, so I spent a, I could,

amount of time in a prison with with these guys and clearly there's something not right you can look at them and tell oh something we actually had him kind of categorize like he's a sleeper you know he's a sloth which we or he emotional he's emotionally emotional was it stunted emotionally underdeveloped so i forget what it was but what what and i don't know the exact statistic i'd love to know what the statistic the exact statistic but I remember having a conversation where a guy had said well you have to understand that like 70 or 80% of these guys were or claimed to be have been taken advantage of when they were kids and as a result of that it stunted them in some way and now they connect you know, whatever, you know, those acts with the age that they were taking advantage of were

close to it. And I remember the guy said that. He's like, so, you know, it's kind of messed up. And I went, you know, and I get that. And in that way, they're victims. Like, I feel for you. Yeah, definitely. I feel for you that this guy went through that. But that created a monster. And we can't. And as unfair as it is, you can't let monsters roam society. So do I feel for you? I feel for your plight. I feel for what happened to you. It's unreasonable. It's not right. But it happens to lots of people that don't turn into this. Absolutely. So I feel for you, but you can't walk around society. That's always like an excuse that I give them to like kind of confess to stuff. Because like I'm like, I try to always fit in at anything happened to you when you were younger. And if they say yes, I'm like, oh, okay. So

now I understand why this is happening. You weren't born like this. You were created. This is unfair what happened to you. So you are here to do. It's not, yes, but I know. Give them an out. Yeah, give them an out.

But, yeah, I totally agree with you, regardless of what happened. Like, okay, if I get robbed, am I going to go rob somebody now? I don't know. I guess you can't compare that to like an SEX crime. Right. But like, you know, and if that's the case, like, if that's a valid excuse, how come the woman that get, you know, victimized? How come they don't go do it?

All the women are they they happen to them and they become extra against it and maybe there's I mean maybe there's some innate difference when it happens to some people were more susceptible to you know and and that's and that's horrible right horrible thing but once again it's like sorry you know what I'm saying exactly it's like saying I was I was born poor and everything everybody I know is a drug dealer and so I sell drugs well I understand that's that's certainly a contributor but there's lots of people in your neighborhood that have regular jobs right they were born poor their parents parents were drug dealers. Their parents were in and out of prison. Like, that's an excuse. You know, in a way, it's an excuse. Like, I get it. It is a contributing factor. But it doesn't happen to everybody. Not everybody lets that take over their lives. Right. Make that. Yeah. Because in the end, it has to be in your mind. You have to be capable of doing it. Like, no matter how many times, like no matter how many times some things can be shoved in my face or whatever, some of the things I'm just going to always be adverse to. And obviously, they were still born in a way to where they're not adverse to that. Like, like their, their minds are, they're

genetics are still, or their mind is still created in a way that they're capable of doing that if something happens to them or whatever. And, you know, there is one guy that we caught. Gosh, I really feel for this guy, sadly. He just had, he had so many, so many people that he did this to. And he was obviously, like, very messed up. Like his, you can see this video on Rumble. It's like an ordained minister that we caught. And his wife was, I'm sorry, 23 or 24 years old now, met her when she was 10 years old online when he was 36 and just she's very emotionally stunted he would like solicit

you know N-U-D-E-S from her as a kid he said he told me that he still had a folder of her pictures from when she was like 11 and 12 on his phone and you know he said what happened to him is that satanic ritual abuse happened to him when he was between two and five years old and it stinks I mean I believe it happened to him. I believe that's a very real thing. I mean, look at a Balenciaga, you know,

I think all that stuff's real. But still, I mean, he knows how bad it is. He knows how much it messed him up. Now, when he called his wife on the phone, she was in the hospital for like mental issues now, because of course, of course she is. And he like just talking, hey, baby, this and then he had diapers like around the house because he likes to do age play. He likes to put her in diapers and do all this stuff here. I mean, he's just so screwed up. And, you know, got some point where, yeah, I'm sad for him, but I don't care what happens to him now. I mean, he's there's no excuse for these people like i mean to everybody do not take sympathy with these people they were so sick um so are so how long do you plan on continuing to do this

well i mean i take are you going to be a cop i mean i want to i want to but i take i take things day by day like i don't really uh i always in some capacity i always want to be in a position where i can get um you know bad people uh that do this type of stuff off the streets right and go save children, whether that's going to run for office one day or be a police officer. I want to do this in some capacity or continuing to do this. But I mean, my immediately, my immediately, my media plans as for, I like glitched out for a sec. For now, you know, until I settle down with my girlfriend and we have like beautiful babies together, I'm going to keep doing this. And hopefully when we settle down somewhere, I'm going to go be a police officer in whatever area. But so, so

Basically, you have a Rumble channel. How long have you had the Rumble channel? I've had the Rumble channel for a couple months now. Is it working out as well as the other platform? Yeah. Well, I mean, not yet. I mean, not yet. I mean, I have some favorite channels that I like to watch on many platforms.

But yeah, I mean, the Rumble's doing pretty all right. Okay. So there's not no issues? No, no. Oh, okay. Okay. shoes, yeah. Well, because I was thinking about doing a rumble channel, like moving some stuff. I have a ton of content at this point, like starting a channel and moving it over there.

Also, so do you ever watch, is it, it's Puggy Pug? Yeah, if you want to see some awesome videos, definitely go watch Puggy Pug on YouTube. Yeah, I mean, just some very, very, very weird stuff on that channel. I would recommend to go check it out and also go check out at Pee-P Southeast Texas. Those are just my personal favorite channels to go watch if you want to see this type of content and these people getting confronted. But yeah, those are just my personal favorite channels.

Those are the only two I'm going to plug because I just like them so much better than every other channel. So, yeah, yeah. So are there a lot of, is there a lot of editing in the videos? Because I noticed, you know, there were parts that were cut out. Like, that one video was like 45 minutes. Right. So how much was trimmed down or was it?

Was it just in its entirety? Well, we don't really trim anything down per se. I mean, we do. So basically, we live streamed the catches too. So the live stream's going, going, going continuous. You know, it's privateed on, you know, it's just private on whatever platform we're using. And so as for the camera stuff, like basically if the cops are just kind of talking to them and it's like 20 minutes at this point, we're like, okay, just cut the camera off. Live stream's going.

The cops have their cameras going. We just want to make sure everything's documented by either us or the cops. So, yeah, I mean, there were like, there were jump cuts in the video, but nothing that we said to him was cut out. You know what I mean? So, you know, it cut to where the cops were talking to him, whatever. Then they end up letting him go. They say, we got to go. The decoy in Illinois has to go up to Pennsylvania to give his phone to them.

I don't understand why they're doing that, but whatever. And then I just pull Angel aside. That's the guy's name. And I got the daycarey works at because I'm like, okay, well, if he's not going to, if him getting a van and crossing state lines isn't enough to go arrest him on the spot after admitting to want to do stuff with very, very young ladies under 18, then whatever. At least I'm going to get his daycare and make sure he's away from them. And, you know, I end up calling the daycare a couple days ago. And, yeah, he's gone.

I don't even, okay. I don't know. What else do you want to, you want to cover anything else or? So, first I have a question. Are you, like, living out of hotels? No. Oh, okay. I got a, I got an apartment.

It's so, it's so dirty. that's all my fault though but like you know a good excuse like I tell everybody and you know I tell them like because when my girlfriend moves in you know she's cleaning that you know what I'm saying

but good excuse I tell everybody is I keep it dirty on purpose so I can keep working and just doing this across the country totally has nothing to do with me being lazy and a slob at all it's because I'm so motivated to go do this that I never stay in there

well because like right now you're leaving here to go to another state it's not like you're not even going in Florida you're like as soon as you get leave here like you've got to leave by a certain time you're getting in your car you're driving for four or five hours or six hours. I don't know how long it is it. Seven hours

to grab somebody that's already prepared to be someplace. You know and then you were like what was it a couple days ago you were somewhere else? Yeah. I mean how often are you grabbing? Gosh

I'm trying to think so I mean let's take November. So November the second to the 12th I was gone. Then the 19th to the 22nd and then it passed so I guess like half the month I'm probably gone

No I'm saying half How often are you grabbing people like Yeah once Probably half the month yeah Like is that four people Is that three? Is it oh yeah Like literally like probably

This month we've caught Probably around like 12 to 15 And that's and it's you And it's so are you on the Are you actually like texting or is this you have a crew of or some other guys that are actually doing the it's it's a combination so we probably have like four four to five people that are just kind of texting that's their main thing but i mean i'm logged in to almost all the accounts and i'm

doing it too and then when it comes like meeting time like i'm the one in the area that knows exactly what i'm going to be there so i take that over then but i mean the guy that uh gosh for example the guy in arizona that was into doggies and infants i mean the texting to him i probably did 90% of it. And then, of course, the actual decoy did the video call with him. Do these guys ever bolt? Like, do you ever walk up and say, hey, so what's going on? They go, done.

And this take off? Yeah, if they were smart, that's what they would do. Like, sometimes the whole, like, hey, man, I just got to talk to you. Sometimes they're like, I don't see your badge. You're wearing like a freaking Walmart t-shirt. Like, I'm just getting the heck out of here, you know? But, yeah, but no, most of the time they stay because, you know, their first thing is like, I got to explain myself.

I guess it's like they're natural. Yeah, I think they want. They're trying to explain them the situation. Oh, if I explain it correctly, he'll understand. He'll cut me a break. Like, what are you going to say? Yeah. Yeah.

If I just tell them that I'm not really here for what I was saying in the past three months I was going to do. Right. And, you know, it's great. But, you know, my advice to them, you know, just trying to make it fair here, my advice to them would probably be to run away from me. But let's hope they don't watch this. So, has anybody ever gotten violent? anybody ever

because I thought I saw one video where the guy was yelling at you yes we've definitely had some hostile people

the only one that actually got physical was an individual named Lorenzo which is on the Rumble channel he was one of the

first ones in 2019 he was just insane like he wasn't like physically imposing or anything but he just

he was like so pompous about being caught like he just he tried to hit the camera but he ended up like scratching the camera man like it's barely like this i mean i'm just very glad that like the only guy that got

violent was like a 20 year old effeminate twink i'm glad it wasn't like i'm glad it wasn't like somebody that did like 20 years in the pen right you know well i mean you're a big guy yeah you know what what you're like what six six four six four yeah yeah you're yeah that's that's that's mass i mean to me especially to me i'm tiny so you're massive um yeah i don't i don't see anybody getting it's it just it just kills me like when I would watch the TV shows and listen here's what's funny is in prison guys would go and watch give in mind the what half the people there were there for guys would go and they would get 20 guys would get around and they'd watch the TV show and they would just like you know laugh and and just you know and or shake their heads and you know

and then you know these guys are all there and they know what they're watching it's just a super comfortable situation. And every time, like, I would sit there and I'd see him go and they'd sit down. They'd sit out and I'd go, oh, my God, why is he sitting down? Or some guys would get up and run and then the cops would pounce on him. Right, right, right. So I was just wondering if anybody ever took off. Yeah, quite a few, quite a few.

I want to say quite a few, but very rarely they do. Like, we got a guy in his truck the other day. And I'm like, hey, Terry, he's like, that's not even my name. Then he just. so it is what it is do you try and follow them or I used to kind of do that but then I realized like when I was like 19

I engaged to say more risk-taking behaviors in my car then but yeah now it's like okay well there's always the next one we got a license plate let's just go from there right I was just going to say like you've got so many you know like there's another guy in two days it's another one in four days there's not like at that point

you don't even have to you know um you don't even have to pursue anybody because you've got so it sounds to me like you've got so many people that are you're throwing lines out there all the time yep last time i counted how many people were talking to was like 80 and as many what's so what's so messed up is as many times as you throw a line out you almost get you almost catch fish you know i don't literally never fails man i mean the apps that we go on so there's a difference it's like, okay, if you're on a dating app, like, say, Grindr or something, they're expecting to someone over 18. Like, nobody goes on Grindr, saying, oh, I'm going to go try to find kids on here because

it's an over 18 app. But, you know, when they come across a kid, they're like, well, I don't mind, you know, but they're not expecting one, you know. Right. But when you're on, like, basically, you know, there's a dating app and there's a social media apps, like social media apps, like Instagram or something, people are on there looking for children. Like, they follow, like, this guy that we can.

Young adults. Yeah, yes. Looking for children to, you know, help boost them, but they would go after, like, young adults, you know, they're just, you know, they're good people, of course, right? But, you know, so we call this guy in Divine Texas, which is like a little bit south of San Antonio. And Instagram is so blatant about this. Like, you know, Twitter tries to, like a whole thing with Elon Musk and Twitter is he saying he's like trying to take away this basically this illicit material on the platform. There's a ton of it. You know, people say like, well, it's not actually a big issue. No,

there's whole communities of these people that use certain hashtags. Like when there's the hashtag Dropbox, you know, Dropbox, like the app, whatever. You can send files. But, you know, they can't specifically, allegedly, they can't post this stuff on Twitter, but they can post a drop box. And in the drop box, I didn't see for myself, but I can put two and two together. Like the same people that want a younger lady under 18 are clicking on this draw. I can put two and two together what's in the drop box. And, you know, they use these easy ways to get around it.

It's like, you know, where you just basically see a house with like one small gate and you can just walk around the gate and get into the house. That's basically all these social media apps firewalls and whatnot. It doesn't do anything to stop them. And, you know, so on Instagram, we caught this guy in Devine, Texas. He's literally following a page that's for maps and AAMs. A map is a minor attracted person, and an AAM is an adult attracted minor. And he's just following a page for them.

The page is just allowed on Instagram. And I'm sure they're just posting nasty stuff on there. It was a private page. But when I saw that he followed it, I knew that he was a guy that was into looking at some type of images. So he goes to meet who he believes to be this. 13 year old and you know basically then he confessed to looking at some of these images and now he's going to be

should be arrested any day now he confessed to the detective as well a couple days ago so any day really should happen I was just say cheese but what you ever heard cheese pizza of course okay yeah yeah that's like a code word oh there's a ton of code words right yeah yeah they'll have a whole conversation

in front of you you don't even got a fucking clue what's going on like I'm like it doesn't quite make sense like what these two guys are saying but to them it certainly does right right like it's confusing like with someone like me i can say i love cheese pizza and people would like no but then when i see these predators these uh these adults that are going after younger ladies start using this word i'm like uh well i'm a vegetarian pizza lover but like yeah it's just very uh yeah it's it's i mean i've known about that hashtag for probably like two years now like them started using it and you know there's tons of those pages on instagram that just advertise like you know pizza pizza pizza and

sickening and then they also use this code word called unicorn um i don't know exactly what unicorn i forgot what but it's something you do with uh it's something to do with like a young younger lady under 18 yeah yeah and you know there was a guy in organ named fred hendricks junior who he got he was so calm for eight months like you know they all there's one reason he's texting an eight year old right but he was so calm for eight months like just hey how are you today good oh work was fine okay like very cordial conversations and then he's like when we hang out i just want to bring you a unicorn and at the time i was like let's see like i was just like dude just get to the point already like i was just thinking this like come on man but then when i found out what i found out what

Unicorn actually meant. I was like, oh, this guy was way, like, so depraved. And we ended up getting him. He'd ended up being one of the worst. He still, like, one sexual message. But I didn't know he was on the sex offender registry. And he just confessed to so many victims. And he's currently serving three and a half years in Oregon.

And in Oregon, that's probably, like, a very, very long sentence. You know what's funny is that, like, in the state, we'll give them these sentences of, like, three years, two years, four years. And yet, if they're caught with, you know, viewing cheap, you know, cheese pizza, right, right. You know, on the internet, like, like the minimum of having just like one image is like three years in the feds. And typically these guys are coming in with, they're coming in with five, 10, 15, 20 year

sentences in the feds. They had a guy from Germany who had been talking to an FBI agent that he thought was a 13-year-old boy and he was in Germany. He got on a plane from Germany and flew down. to the United States. Dang. They arrested him in the airport. Like, they didn't even set the guy.

They didn't even, like, listen, you just, we have these horrific messages or horrific, you know, a string of text going back and forth. And you just got on a plane. Like, you don't have a prayer. So his, his, so he ended up going to trial and trying to say, listen, in my country, I have not broken the law. Like, the age of consent is, whatever it was. It is like 13 or 14.

and the person he was talking he's like so in my country i haven't broken the law they're like yeah but you were talking to someone in the united states and you flew to the united states so you're intending to do this to someone in the united states and break the law that he goes yeah but in my country i haven't broken the law like going there to do it and not doing it isn't breaking the law he went to trial he lost he got 25 years oh my gosh he tried desperately to get the to get the um the german government to like come to his aid like like their they're there they're version of like the U.S. attorney or their attorneys to try and say, look, send this guy back to us, you know, no harm, no foul, you can't do, like they weren't receptive to helping him

in any way at all. Yeah, he was a thin German guy walking around, had 25 years, didn't know what to do. He's done. He's done. They're not going to cut you any slack at all with that charge, especially in the justice system, not in the federal justice system. But it always killed me. Like in the state, had that been a state crime, he'd have probably gotten two or three years. Right. You know, he'd have been on a registry somewhere. But in the feds, man, they're handing out time like it's nothing.

Yeah. I mean, that's just such a porous excuse to use. Well, I'm not, I mean, he knew it was going to be illegal in America. Like, I'm sure he researched. Like, I mean, he knew. Well, it doesn't even matter if he didn't, if he knew or not. This is a U.S. citizen. Right, right.

You know, now I agree that laws in your country are different. them, great, stick to your country. Yeah. Victimize your people. Yeah, it's like, I mean, how many countries can you use that? And it's like, it's like, okay, if a Western white woman went to, like, Iran and just walked around and like a bikini everywhere. Yeah. Oh, but I can do that in America.

Dude, they would laugh and better, dude. Like, it's like, it's like not a good excuse. But, yeah, I mean, we get a lot of Europeans that do message us. We don't really engage with them because I'm like, okay. I mean, realistically, I'm not going to get on a plane and go to France and get this guy because, you know, Like, I want to, but the thing is, like, just logistically, like, how am I going to have phone service, use Google Maps, driving on a different side of the road, I think? Like, whatever's. You got to go with, they got to jump on a plane fly over here. Yeah.

I was going to say, there was also a guy that got 10 years. He was a teacher, teacher of the year, like three years in a row. Oh, of course. He used to brag about that. He bragged about that in prison? Yeah. Yeah, he was like, well, you know, I was teacher of the year three years in a row. It's like, okay.

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Relations with you know Young young girls Who were prostitutes According to him You know in that country And then he had come back to the United States And he had photographs on his phone Oh okay

And he was Engaged in talking with other people on line, somebody got busted, the FBI had read the, had read the transcripts where he had talked about, listen, this is where you got to go. And he had sent pictures. So now you're distributing and you've just admitted online. This, if they end up grabbing him, he ended up taking a plea for 10 years. Like, you can't go to trial. The guys would go to trial at 25 years. So like, take your 10. And, but anyway. Yeah, we were, we run into a few that are kind of like that. We're talking to a guy in the eastern part of the country

he does like these like it's promoted to seem like backpacking trips like Africa and stuff like that and there's another guy he never really engaged in the talk I think that's because he's so careful like it's so obvious what he's doing it's so obvious with who he follows but I think he just knew we were in the States

so he's not doing that talk with us but his pictures were littered with him and these young boys like You know, they were posted publicly on Instagram. He didn't send us nothing, but, like, just you could tell. I mean, this guy's in these, like, these, like, third world countries and just abusing the crap out of people, man. I mean, they do it.

I mean, we caught a Mormon missionary a couple weeks ago in Virginia. I don't know, like, why, maybe that's why he was a Mormon mission. He was only 20 years old, too. And he was, like, I guess, kind of in training or something. And it's nuts because they have to roll in patch it, too. And he was there with his friend. It's running had nothing to do with it, but, you know, I basically lured him out of the apartment by going to the front office thing. I got a package for him because he can't give me the apartment number, but they can give me, they can call him and say we have a package.

So he comes around just like nothing happens, and boom, we go get him, and then the cops come. He's being investigated right now. And I think he will get arrested because we had an arrest in that area, too, a firefighter, so I think it'll turn out well. But so many of these people, sick. We had a guy who, God, I wish I could remember. this guy's name too he was probably 6-1-6-2 good-looking guy um had been in trouble before but got probation for the same thing right then he got caught with photographs went to went to uh went to coleman for i want to say four or five years he was there he was there a few years

that that i know of um got out and while on supervised release violated his supervised release because what he said was I had an email address they didn't know about and they found out I had this email address and they violated my probation. Now that's possible. You have to tell them all social media, everything. Even I have to tell them, hey, here's my email addresses that I use. Here's my phone number. Here's my address. Like they have to come by. But he had one that was an email address and I remember thinking, well, I wonder how they figured out he had an extra email address. And why would you have one and not tell them. So he ended up getting

his probation violated. He came back. They gave him like, whatever, 12 months or something. So he comes back. He's waiting to leave. He was already been in county jail for several months. It's so funny too, because I remember my ex-wife had come to see me, and

we were in visitation. And she would always be sitting in visitation. She'd go, what's that guy here for? I go, him? Bank robbery. She'd go, really? I go, yeah, he wrote like five or six banks she's like he's so fat and i'm like i know right you would think like he's huge i'm like and i would tell her what he did because i knew like anybody who had semi-interest in cases i knew um and then of course other inmates tell you about other inmates and then she was she was like

oh this guy and she goes what about this guy i go you'll never guess and she goes what she goes fraud fraud she's good looking she was she's he's smooth she was con man right fraud and i go no She was, bank robber? No. Truck dealer? No. And then I tell her what he's there for. And she's like, she goes, but he's so good looking.

And I was like, I know. I was like, I know, right? Like, he can have anybody. And, but here's what happened. You remember I told you about the email address? Yeah. After a few months, he gets called up to the lieutenant's office to be served. That email address he was using to communicate,

that was connected to like a Facebook page, or Facebook or something, he was communicating with like a 13 or 14-year-old. Oh, my God. And so they, just to get him off the street, they violated his paper because they can do that just by saying, we're violating, here, for this.

And you can't, there's nothing you can do. You don't have rights. They threw him back in prison. The judge gave him 12 months while the investigate, he didn't want to tell anybody there was an investigation. Though they charged him, he was looking at something like six or eight more years or something.

Dang. You know, like, being caught, got probation. Caught again, went to jail. On probation, did it again. And I'm telling you, this guy, this is what we call a sleeper. Sleeper was somebody that was like, no, he looks like a normal guy. Funny, nice. And, of course, when they get there, they try and tell,

they would always try and tell you they were there for something else. Right, right, right. You know what always bothered me? They almost 95% of the time they pick fraud. That bothers me. You can't pick drugs. you have to sully fraud you know they would go they'd be like oh I'm here for fraud and you go what kind of fraud oh credit card fraud credit card fraud that's the charge credit card for yeah

well in the federal system there's no such thing as credit card fraud it's like access device fraud it's bank fraud it's financial institution fraud there's no credit card fraud and so and so already now I'm looking at the guy going no I'm like and I go really what'd you do you know you start And let him tell me this long story that makes no sense at all the way they imagine credit card fraud work. I go, where did you get the social security numbers? Well, how did you get this? How'd you get the credit cards? Well, you didn't have a mail to your house.

Did you? No, I had to mail to a P.O. box. Really? They mail credit cards to a P.O. box? They don't. You know what I'm saying? And I just let him bury himself and bury himself. And I walk where they go, hey, so what's that guy here for?

I go, you know, boom, this. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, cheese pizza. No. Yep. Chomo. Chomo.

He's a beau. Oh, my gosh, man. Yeah, like, you saw the University of Florida quarterback, like the backup, Jalen Kittna, just got a. You know, John Kittna, right? I don't know anything about sports. You didn't watch any NFL in jail? No, I was writing books. Oh, you're right.

You're doing something productive. Okay. Listen, the guys that are watching sports, and they're all massive screaming, hollering. I can't stand. I got you. But he's like the son of an NFL quarterback. He's playing on the Florida Gators team. He's like the backup quarterback 19 years old. He just got busted for a, he got busted for possession, you know. Oh, oh man. Hey, while I was incarcerated, two correctional officers got busted. That worked right at your place? Well, one was in the medium. This was a guy,

Lieutenant Zachary. I only remember his name because he bawled me out one time. Threatened throwing me in the shoe after i've been there like two weeks and i i had my chair you know there's two-tier system where and there's like a you know like a balcony that goes a wrap around you've seen prison shows like that prison was like a real prison and i was had my chair sitting on the second tier watching tv and he goes you you you and i was like yeah he me i've thrown people in the shoe for like he just balls me out everybody's looking i'm like what did i do and he's like you you know you have you're sitting in your chair on the up against the railing and it was like the fuck is your problem like okay tell me just tell me like i just got here you know but anyway probably two weeks

three maybe a month later somebody came to me and said bro did you see the paper boom like they had he went to like a public's to meet some some some some kid who was like a 14 year old you know girl or something and to me bam they grab him did it end up being like a cop or was it like Oh, yeah, yeah, it was a cop. It was all a sting. It was all a sting. Oh, my God. Another guy used his computer at the facility, like was looking at stuff on the facility.

And he was, same thing. It was an FBI sting. He was in a chat room. He got messed up. But it wasn't, it was, what was so horrible was that they actually have things on the computers, like to spot stuff like that. So somehow or another, they actually knew what he was looking at. It was a log of it. He wasn't even trying.

Like, you're surrounded by these guys. Like, you're not even. making an attempt you're just brazen about it he uh yeah all same thing they walked him off the they came got him on the compound jeez you know grabbed him and walked him off we never saw him again listen the the the congressional officers at a lot of these facilities are just they're they're they're they get into fist fights with each other i mean they're just you know these are the guys that like they couldn't quite be law enforcement right right a lot of times they're just nice guys you know maybe they did some military time they got out this looks like an easy

easy gig. I really don't want to be a cop. I just want to kick back. And those are the guys that are okay. Those are the COs that you're like, he's all right. Like he's not, he's just here to get a check. But some of them are just, they're like sadists. They're there to make your life miserable. And they don't have the temperament to be a police officer. Yeah, we caught a, we caught a CEO in, in Belmead, Texas, which is McClendon County. That's where Waco is. You know, or Baylor's at. That's where that is. Yeah, he was a correctional officer. And he was attempting to solicit who he believed to be a younger lady under 18, five years under 18, 13. And he, I mean, he just didn't really see much wrong with what he was doing.

Like, he's like, I'm sorry, I won't do this again. But he was like, when did this all start for you? So basically, long story short, he talked about how he video called a one five year old, like a 15 year old. And he's like, and I'm like, okay, so was she naked? And he's like, well, yeah, I'm like, did you look? He's like, well, who wouldn't look? I'm like, uh. Both of people.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, but you know, in the video, I'm like, yeah, that's a great point. Exactly. I can't blame you. And then, you know, this is as he has a sick wife who's dying. He's just sick. I mean, and then it's sad, too, because his dad was a CEO and his dad was there during the catch. And basically, you know, with these two people being in like the, his dad was there. So what, you, he didn't come to meet you with his dad. You guys went to him. Right, right. Oh, okay. And so his dad is, his dad was also, like, like a former CEO and just just like they just had no idea that I was even going to call the cops like these two these two you know cops pretty much they just had no idea that I was trying to get them to confess on well the dad had nothing to do with it but he had no idea I was trying to get his son to confess on camera and it sounds like 50 years old they just had they're so clueless like they don't ever plead you know I don't they can't plead the fifth to me I'm a private citizen but they never just shut up and just say I'm done they're just so stupid but yeah he got arrested

whatever. Well, I think also being a, well, I mean, in general, but in general, also correctional officers feel like they're law enforcement. Yeah. They are law enforcement. So they're law enforcement. And for some reason of some law enforcement, not all of them, but some law enforcement feel like as a result of being law enforcement, they're above the law. Like it doesn't really apply to them. Well, you know, it does. But I guess because they've been in that situation, And a lot of times they protect their own to such a degree. They start to, instead of realizing like, wow, I dodged a bullet. I need to straighten up.

They don't. They become emboldened by it. And they get even more risky. Or they conduct even more risky behavior. Yeah. I mean, we're talking to another CEO now. He's in, like, oh, he's in Oklahoma. He's not, he's not ready yet.

You know what I mean? He's careful. Like, he's, he's a little bit less stupid than the one in Texas. But he's already told. me that he's viewed some images before. But, you know, it's just technically not enough right now that he's done it in the past, he said. Like, that's all he said so far. And I'm sure when I confront him in person, I'll know more. But, you know, he's getting close. It's been a couple months. He calls a sexy at this point. To an 11-year-old girl. And it's like, so the pictures, the pictures we use,

the girl now is 25 years old. But we use her pictures from when she's actually like, you know, that age. So nobody can say, well, she's actually, you know, this is 25 being passed off as I say, No, this is an actual picture of her from when she's to say. So there's no excuses. And, yeah, I mean, I think he's just very sick. And I think he's, he said the other day that he was watching some stuff on his phone. He didn't say what kind it was. So it could have been adults.

But he's getting very close. And I can't wait to go get him. Well, yeah, I don't know. I'm, I'm, do you have anything else you can think you want to? I know you're I mean I know there's a time where you said you know we're coming up on one oh oh bro I'm a talker I'm a talker it's been fun it's been fun I mean I wish we could you know talk more openly you know I'm saying like there's certain things that I just you know I just don't want to get you there's actually a guy do you remember Brett um Brett Johnson you know

his channel got taken down so this guy came here super cool guy guy scammer and you know came here like it had like a huge case like like as far as being like you know if you could say like the fraudster scammer kind of you know subculture you know he's like at the top like he's like the everybody everybody every every every scam artist out there like knows who brett johnson is right so he came and he had a channel and just kind of started it was doing you know semi doing well starting to get going he did a i think he did a zoom interview with a woman that was and and i i only got it through a text with him so i believe it had to do with um kind of like um like sugar daddies like guys that are paying women that they're

they're going to college and kind of like that right right right yeah i forget the name of it but but yeah where you they basically pay them and they they pay for their you know whatever their living expenses whatever they try and say that it's not prostitution you know they try and say it's not you know that but it is right you know um and so he had this conversation with this woman this is what i under this is what i'm i may be off but on on a zoom podcast like what she was doing she's running the site she's this what he put that up and they took down his entire website and everything he's like he's trying he's like I'm trying to appeal it I don't understand what happened is the only thing I can think of I put the video up within like 24

hours it got shut down everything was wiped that was taken off was she like she wasn't like no no no like he's he's saying like I don't understand what happened like he he was and this was a couple months ago because people were in my comment section telling me hey bro you know Brett Johnson's entire his channel's down like the whole thing down like you can't even find And so he then, so I contacted him. I said, hey, bro, what's going on? He said, man, listen, this is what happened. He told me, he said, I'm hoping to have it back up in a couple weeks.

Well, a couple weeks ago, which now had been like two months, was probably a week or two ago. I asked him if it was back. It's not back up. I mean, I can see that it's not back up. And he said, I have no idea, bro. I'm moving. He said, we're hoping to get it up. We're trying.

We're disputing. We're trying to figure out what's happened. I'm moving everything to rumble. And that's what that's, you know, so. Yeah, I think that's a good move for anybody because, you know, and you know what's crazy about YouTube, you know, there's these videos of, you know, they definitely have a, they definitely have a, they definitely play favorites. And there's these videos of, you know, and these people have kid audiences. There's, you know, there's like these reaction channels that go ahead and they like, you know, they get into, they display like sex toys on the camera, on the camera for people to go see. And you know kids are watching.

They're like, and then these only fans, you know, T-H-O-U-G-H-T, you know, thoughts in the head, of course. Those type of people, they get to just be super, super hypersexual. And then there's these videos of like Brazilian wax. And like, I don't go watch these videos, but I hear this stuff. Like when I'm like, yeah, YouTube's really clamping down on people trying to do good things, they're like, well, this is a lot on YouTube. This is a lot. Like, I don't watch too much YouTube, you know. you know they allow all of this stuff but if somebody's actually trying to do something good

or give insightful info on things or actually educate people they're really not a friendly platform for that and I think there's something way bigger at play than they let on yeah based on the algorithm or based on you know videos we've seen like my my analytics like say that my channel should be blowing up should be blowing up like like people are watching like more than 25% of my videos like I'm doing three sometimes four videos a week like we've been we've never dropped off we've been consistent for two years like the whole thing but and for some reason it just I I have people telling me bro I like I don't I don't get notified like I've got the bell on I don't get notified your video I thought you hadn't posted in two weeks I went and checked and you've posted

like six videos I hadn't I'm not and then they're like I unsubscribe resubscribed hit the bell like they'll do the whole thing over again and and I've had that it's not like it's three people right right dozens say that so and the only thing i remember was talking to this guy and i'll let you go um i was talking this guy one time and i said i said i know what i've been shadow band and i know why i used to have a trump painting up here and this is what like i like and i'm like the trump painting got me shadow banned that's what it is it could it's it's very possible i think i've been shadow banned like for a month before because i could tell like you know in the live live streams we get like you know close to 2000 but now we're

we're getting like 1400 and the video views are going way down but that was just for a month but other than that like you know especially when especially since you know I do stand with a certain country and stuff like that I mean you see you see the amount of views like on this on that channel like yeah yeah it's outrageous it doesn't make sense you know what's so funny is like a year ago when I first kind of well I'm sorry a year and a half ago when I first started so I had maybe 10 10 or 15 thousand views or subscribers i probably had two months straight maybe three months where i was getting three thousand to three five hundred new subscribers every month good and and and the videos were getting you know four five thousand six six thousand views you know not a whole bunch now my videos

get twice as much, and I get about 1,000, maybe 1,100 new subscribers a month, and I'm putting out twice as much content, and it's even longer content. Right. I was putting out 30-minute videos to an hour videos and getting 3,500 new subscribers. Now I'm putting out an hour and two-hour videos, sometimes four-hour videos, and I'm getting 1,000 new subscribers a month. These doesn't make sense. It's, yeah.

I mean, there's no explaining it. I mean, I think I understand it. But like, yeah, man, I mean, there's, it's like with subcount doesn't really matter because, you know, back when I did have a 150k subchannel, in the, in the live streams, you know, it would be the same amount of people as like with the 40K subchannel. Like that, I mean, the video, the video views were different. Yeah. But like the live stream views like, okay, why are the same amount of people? Like, it's very strange. Very strange.

well you know hopefully hopefully things change hopefully you know i'm just pushing through it but i i appreciate you driving yeah rumble i appreciate you driving here i appreciate you coming thanks for squeezing me into your you know your schedule appreciate you all having me man and um so do you have any other any platforms that you want to push i mean i know your favorite is you've got you i know puggy puck i know you love that guy i love that just my favorite dog channel and um You know, I like P.P. Southeast Texas. You know, that's also a great channel. A lot of interviews of people across the country on that channel.

Very insightful, I'd say. And then on Rumble, my channel that I own, on Rumble, it's called Predator Poachers. So you can just type in Predator Poachers on Rumble. Got about 7K subscribers, and hopefully we get that up soon. Hopefully Rumble gets up and coming because I'm so sick of having to go around and just, you know, say what I mean. But, like, yeah, but I appreciate it. My Instagram is 506 and F-I-D-D-Y-S-I-C and my Snapchat for the ladies is, no, I'm just kidding. Nobody adds me anyway, but that's it.

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