Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Dark Side Of Hollywood, Corporate America, & The MOB

Episode Date: May 2, 2024

The Dark Side Of Hollywood, Corporate America, & The MOB

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Visit TD.com slash Small Business Match to learn more. Conditions apply. Homeland Security rated at multiple residences, quiet on set. The behind the scenes of all the stuff that was going on through like the late 90s, early 2000s on Nickelodeon set. I'm on with the Boeing right now. I'm scared to get on a plane. I fly into L.A. to do Michael Franzisa's show. I meet him and, you know, when I get there, he's like, man, I don't think he didn't care.

He's like, hey, listen. Have you seen everything that's going on with Diddy right now? Homeland Security rated, I believe, multiple residences. And also, I'm not sure if they arrested him, but I know like they, he had his kid and handcuff, kid or kids, plural. I don't know how many kids he has, but they were like in handcuffs and it's got something to do with like sex trafficking. Really? Like, yeah, all this is, they just did this last night. They just rated it last night.

things kept eventually coming out and 50 cent like is just a notorious troll anyway like when something happens to somebody like that he is having a field day with this because him and ditty aren't really you know best of pals anyway and he is having a field day with this he's like he's like did he's done and last i heard i think he hopped on his jet and took off so i don't know if he's running i don't know if he's on the lamb i don't you know i don't know wow he may be locked up with Jared Fulger or Fulger, whatever his name is from Subway. Yeah. Well, you know, funny, I'm actually tomorrow. I'm actually interviewing the guy that, uh, they got a hold to him in prison and gave him. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The guy that beat him up. Yeah. I talked with him on the phone last night.

We're doing the podcast tomorrow. That's the 630. I told you I had earlier when we're talking about rescheduling this. Um, I'm doing that with him tomorrow. That's, I'm looking forward to that one. Because he, he apparently done that to a lot of, uh, Tomos, but that was and he was like, he said, it worked out great because i realized if you do that he said not only do i get a little satisfaction out of you know punishing those people he said they move you to another prison and i like to travel so you know it should be interesting subway uh they they after his arrest you remember they came out with that that sub the uh the 12 inch predator oh my okay that's that's not true um yeah it's funny too because everybody and coleman was like bro you know that they're

going to send Jared here from Subway, they're like, you're going to be able to write his memoir. I was like, uh, did they send him there? No, they didn't. Okay. He's got to be a supportive or something. I'm so in shock. He only got. They had so much overwhelming evidence. I'm in shock that that he got the deal he got. It was like 12 or 14 years or something. Like it wasn't nearly what I thought they would give him. Well, I'll tell you what I just watched and everybody was talking about it. So I had to go take a look. Was that quiet. on set we looked at that yet no what's that so it's on netflix it's on hbomax um and it's basically the behind the scenes of all the stuff that was going on through like the late 90s early 2000s

on nickelodeon set there was this god dan schneider that was apparently like making real not that he ever like done anything but he just made it really uncomfortable like workplace harassment he was making two female writers like share a salary which was against i don't know know whatever ethic code or whatever uh writers guild or whatever um just was like would never promote the women he made it really uncomfortable to be a woman on set then the uh do you remember that show drake and josh no but i only remember not that i watched it i don't remember my daughter loved it um that was kind of her peak nicolodeon years so it was about these two kids Drake Bell and I don't remember what the other guy's name was Josh something, hence the name

Drake and Josh. But like he comes out for the first time on this show saying that the Nickelodeon had hired this writer to, you know, help with like an acting dialogue coach or whatever. And eventually like he kind of strategically separated his dad like his dad didn't have good vibes about the kid or about the guy. And he kind of strategically separated him and his dad by saying, you know, your dad's making people on the sun uncomfortable. It could affect your job. You know, he's probably stealing money from you because he was his manager. He's like family don't need to be managers because they think they can take a bigger piece.

And basically the end game was to get his dad out of the picture. Um, then he kind of started basically, you know, doing shit to the kid, like a lot of bad shit. And the kid was like, you know, I was in a position to where this guy could take everything away from me that I've been working for. So he just kind of let it happen until he couldn't anymore. And he came out with it. and this was pre obviously twitter and all that so they were able to keep it under wraps because he was a minor um they just listed it as john dope so not a lot of people knew it was him but like they arrested this dude and he was doing it like a lot of bad shit he even says he's like

imagine the worst things you could do to someone right most hurtful vile sadistic ways and he did that to me for years and he only got like 14 months like played guilty in California only got 14 months got out and was back working on the sweet life on Zach and Cody like another kid's show I'm like what the hell's Nickelodeon doing over there I don't vet these people for God's sakes and it was like multiple people that had charges that they were just letting on set around all these kids it was insane what's so funny is all those kids parents probably think like everybody they have the best people and they care about kids it's a TV show about kids and that's the exact and they were going down the list they

like look at all the people that were there and it was like a man to binds who you know obviously struggled drake bell you know had a lot of struggles with it um it it was a number of kids on there that just really kind of you know didn't really have the best life after that it was like it really screwed them up it was it was like a four-part series it was pretty good but it just made you want to just beat the shot i seen where that guy got that anger from and pretty just wanted to beat the hell out of some of those guys well what is when are you interviewing this guy tomorrow night or yeah and uh i'm gonna try if i interview it tomorrow night i'm gonna try to to get it up and drop it Sunday because I'm leaving to go to New York Friday. So I'm going to try

to edit it and get it up and let that be the Sunday drop. Well, I might, well, I'm, I might be interested in interviewing that guy too. Hey, you guys, I really appreciate you guys. Watch the video. Do me a favor and share the video and obviously subscribe, hit the bell, do all that, but please really share the video that really would help me. I really am trying to get these videos out there. So thank you very much. keep watching the uh the podcast the i tell you the the the boeing everything going on with the boeing right now i'm scared to get on a plane i was reading something the other day and it was like just in the last seven days it was like 15 things that it went wrong and i think they had one just

yesterday a tire another tire fell off listen did you see that when they were talking to the boeing uh the people in the fact in the factory that work there they're like would you ride one of these planes they're like me no no it was like are you like you were like you were or no i'm not which one was that seattle or here i forget which i mean i was it was like a tic where they were under kind of undercover uh they had like an under cover they're like would you so do you ever fly on these like no bro i don't fly i don't fly i don't fly at all so like i'm not playing on one of these plings i'll tell you that it's like oh my god i made a ticot from the guy john barnett that i guess he was a boeing employee for i forgot how many years 20 30 something

years came to the department here in charleston which is where i live um was quality manager for x amount of time left then immediately filed a suit saying that they were literally taking bolts and screws out of trash cans and scrap bins and putting them in airplanes just to get through and meet scheduling deadlines and the week I got back from california or the weekend um he had went to court it had finally went to court he went on Friday testified they were supposed to come back to court on Saturday to finish testifying he didn't show up they sent a welfare check to his hotel and apparently he had unalived himself right in the parking lot in the car in the park right and so I made

a TikTok put it up put some pictures up with it kind of I gave it that little flare where I changed my voice a little bit and it got immediately like I guess you would call that shadow bandit on on TikTok it said it violated something but it didn't tell me what and so got like 98 views or something like that and I probably shared it with 60 people so it's probably most of that so I don't understand that they just I guess hammer it down but because all my other ones get way more than that but that one got very very minimal views I didn't say anything wrong I didn't say anything that wasn't true boziac put up a a video the other day I want on one of the channels his TikTok channels put up a video and all it

said it was and it's using an AI voice all it it it it talks about the um basically the disintegration or degradation or whatever of the nuclear family and how how the loss of the nuclear family is destroying this country and so think about that like that's not super controversial right put it up boom they took it down and they gave him a strike wow yeah they didn't take down they just said it violated something so it was i'm saying just because he said and the nuclear family is you know it's like you know you have a mom a dad and you know whatever two children or three children like because he was saying because that model has is disappearing it's it's detrimental to the country they took it down that's all it was saying

yeah like that's controversial wow right like that's i was he he was just like he was joking about he's like before he put it up he goes he said watch this is going to get me uh he is this is going to get me on band he said that he's how fucked up the country is he put it up and sure enough it did and i heard it it didn't say anything that was ridiculous didn't cuss didn't say anything violent just said like that how is that controversial yeah mine i didn't cuss or anything i just said that you know he was found you know dead in the car was like did boeing have anything to do with or know about it you let us know in the comments that was it and it got heavily i guess wherever where they don't show it in front of people i

guess it's just people to whoever goes to your profile and and looks at it or whatever but i mean i don't know but it's like all the stuff that's been falling off these planes has really got me you know second i got a lot of traveling to do every next about month yeah it's like me too that's not uh it's not i don't i don't i'm not the biggest fan of flying to begin with look not just that i fly mostly spirit yeah i'm already i already got problems i'm not had an issue in spirit i'm going and say it i know everybody's like spirit but i mean i've had you know good love with spirit now granted i've only flown to like florida and orlando but i'm not any problems of spirit personally i listen i'm not a huge a huge fan i

tell you right now they're they're hiring like you know dollar general workers and and you know there was a tic-tock the other day that said the guy goes um he was on spirit and he said they made an he's like somebody was having like chest pains or something he's like and they came at made an announcement they said listen we have a kind of an emergency and they said is there is there a doctor uh you know among the passengers and he's just started laughing he's like this spirit there's a doctor on on a spirit airlines then they come back and they say anyone with medical training like a nurse and he's like no there's no nurse on spirit what are you talking about that they keep going down the list anyone who's the intravenish

drug user you know it's like anybody got to experience a webmd yeah anybody pass uh you know past biology so could you imagine sitting on a plane in the a section of the plane just flying slam off listen i'd be oh my god could you i i i i'm i'm already not feeling great like i'm or i'm there i'm going i don't allow myself to realize what's happening yeah but yeah if there was noise or a banging or anything or suddenly it like and sometimes you know with that you'll get that turbulence yeah and they'll say you know and everybody goes to sit and it's like i'm like i always try to play it cool and i look at everybody else yeah and i like even though now like i've probably flown more in the last two years and you know i ever thought about with all the trips and stuff but

like I still just look at everybody else and I'm like I like to think they're all more season travelers than me so if they start to panic then maybe it's time for me to panic but I haven't had any like really bad turbulence experiences the only thing that I can say I did have happened was one time we're coming back into Charleston and they've already said you know you know beginning our descent prepare for landing or whatever we're coming down and my eyesight's bad like I've a welded for years I can barely fucking see like I probably should wear glasses um and it's it's horrible we were so close to the ground that i could make out the hotel signs right and all of a sudden it's just whoa and we go straight back up in the air and i'm just like look at i'm like all right that wasn't normal like that's not we're we're heading towards the runway you know and it's just boom straight back up in the air we go up we start climbing get back altitude then you could tell he's starting a circle and it's like a good 10 minutes and And then finally he comes over and he's like, well, we were preparing for landing and we had a aircraft on the runway.

So we had to deter that and do a circle around. We should be landing here in the next 10 minutes. And I'm just like, you know, he's very calm when he's saying that, but I'm like, had there been a miscommunication, we could have run right into another plane. So it's just, I always think when it's landing, you know, okay, I can let out a sigh relief. But I mean, damn, you're going to run right ahead into another plane. We all going to go up. Listen to me, you know, taking off and landing is the most dangerous part of the whole thing.

So that's, that's what I'm most nervous. I always just feel the closer I get to landing, I might survive. Listen, I love when I've, I've been on the plane before where I've heard you, you're here like, suddenly you'll hear like a, and you're in the middle of whatever. Listen, I've, I just happened one time. And I remember I looked at the person next to me and I said, that's not good. They were like, look, I don't know how much you fly, but that doesn't. don't sound good to me like yeah i know i don't know oh shit okay i'm like you know plus it's spirit

i don't know how you feel but these people are not top notch you know so um and i have a friend that flies for spirit oh his wife now flies for spirit and he told me he's like oh yeah yeah you know my wife she's she's been training and she's going and i went I didn't even know she was a pilot. He's like, yeah, yeah, she's a pilot. She just doesn't fly, you know, we met and she just has never really flown before. So, you know, they're, they're, you know, she was a pilot when they met. And he's like, you know, but she got pregnant.

They got married. She got pregnant. So he said, but now, yeah, she's going back to, I was like, okay. And I met his wife. And she's a very nice person. But, you know, I've had dinner with them and they're cutting up and laughing and giggling. She just seems like a normal chick to me. And I personally want my, my pilot, female pilots to seem more serious about things than she seemed.

She just seemed like a regular, like I would have never told you to it was a pilot. I would have said, maybe, maybe elementary school teacher, maybe. But now, pilot, pilot. He just hoped they're getting on there sober than Denzel was in that movie flight. Listen, I'll take Denzel. He pulled that shit off. He damn sure did. And then they gave him shit about it out.

You know, oh, yeah. I'm like, did you see what I did? Bro, you couldn't get anybody. That alcohol probably helped me. Oh, yeah. Thank God I was drunk. It was like, there was three bottles of vodka. No, no, you're wrong.

There was four. That's what it takes. So you send your people back into those simulators with four bottles of vodka. Then maybe they can pull it off. Could you imagine the only pilots that could pull it off were drunk? Oh, yeah. I'm in the line. Because you're, you just got to be at a total relaxed state to do that.

Yeah. That was amazing. Him and just, well, Sully, you know, landing it right there in the Hudson. That had to take some, that had to take some balls. Yeah. We're going to go ahead and put it right down here. Oh, my God. Just so calm.

So. Yeah. So one runway. That's a negative. Yeah, that's, that's negative. That's, that's, I talked with a guy that lived uh he's an actor he's been in a few things and he lived up there and uh he said that he was outside like you know by the hudson that he lives right there by

and he said he's seen that plane coming down and he said he's sitting there watching he's like my god another 9-11 like that was what you know thought because he sees his plane fixing to go down to he said I didn't think they were going to actually land in the water he said I thought they were going to fly and hit a building or just go right into the city right uh yeah I mean that's and then trying to get off of there in a hurry like because that thing did sink eventually i mean they had time to get off but yeah it listen that was that was picture perfect like that landing that them exiting like you couldn't have planned it better yeah like i mean hopefully have to land yeah well at least they're like if

you got out you could have swam to you know shore or something like it's not that far but you think if that bad boy goes down in the middle of the ocean you just yeah that's like the worst fear so when i was in prison and i sued i sued Warner Brothers and I sued a IE. Entertainment. We had to have people served. The guy that

tried or the guy that served like Devereoli and these guys was he was Sully's brother. Wow. Yeah. Connection there. There's a connection between me and Sully. You're saying. That's, uh, that's an interesting.

And I remember I was watching. always make the mistake before I fly somehow another I always get on this channel called May Day and it's basically nothing but plane crashes and you know aircraft disasters and why do that I don't know I don't know I ask myself that question it's like it pops up on my favorites in YouTube all the time and so if it's a new one I'll click on it and uh you know I go somewhere about once a month or at least once every other month so it just kind of always happens like right before I get on and I remember why it was one it was in Florida somewhere whatever they were using malfunction as far as like they thought they were higher than what they

actually were their altitude meter or whatever so by the time they realized that they crashed like in the everglades and so people are it didn't destroy the plan didn't blow up I think some people did die but a lot of people were able to get out and they're interviewing these people some of the survivors and they're like you know you get out you're trying to swim but he's like immediately you're hearing the sound and I guess it was whatever sound the the gators make yeah i was going to say they people died but it was because of the gators yeah well some people died in aircraft but then after that he's like so you're hearing all these gators and he's like you know that's my thought is i just survived airplane crash now i'm fixing to get eaten by an alligator

and what happened was a lot of them did get like cuts and scrapes or whatever the water from the everglades and the mud got in there gave them gang green some of them lost body parts some of them did die from the infection but i'm just like what a shit way to go like you survive a plane crash then get gang green had to dodge off alligators i mean it was i don't know well that that's part of the problem uh alligators have tons of like some kind of bacteria in their mouth so a lot of people will get bit by an alligator sometimes and they'll still lose a lose a limb um just because of like hey i got bit but it didn't kill me no but the bacteria ends up poisoning or doing whatever that does and they end up losing

a limb it's like i got bit got away i still lost the limb yes So lucky to get away from the damn gator. Yeah. Yeah. I was a guy in Florida, I think last year, it was like, went, I guess the bathrooms was full and he went to the back behind the bar to use the bathroom, I guess at the water and the gator come up and got his whole arm, took his arm off. Whoa. Yeah, it was on TMZ. They had a picture of them out there. They interviewed him like after he was in the hospital or whatever. I guess it come up and it took the whole arm off like ripped it, slam out of the socket. People were recording like they didn't really know what to do. I guess I didn't even know what to tie it's just right I don't know well remember the girl that would you love to surf and she got her armpit off yes and it wasn't there a kid that got uh beaten um an alligator it didn't wow and and it was a it was a first of all like if you were raised in florida when somebody says you know are there

alligators you go yeah then they'll be like where you go any body of water yeah like as as a kid being raised in Florida like I was you know I was in most of them if you ask you're raised in Florida you say or are there alligators and they'll go yeah and you say well are they like wearing that you they'll tell you that's pretty much what you're just told any body of water in Florida as an alligator like that's just you assume it yeah you just assume it and and because the truth is like my wife and her daughter went fishing the other day and um So they're fishing and her daughter wanted to walk around the pond and fish from the other side. And so Jess goes, she said, mom, do you think there's alligators in here?

She goes, yeah, yeah, I do. And she goes, really? And she goes, it's a body of water in Florida. There's an alligator. And she's kind of like and walks around and steps up to the water. Boom. There's an alligator. She's like, she comes running back.

And you know, Jess is laughing her ass off. And she's like, oh my God, oh my God. And so she comes in here and she's telling me about it and laughing. And she says, she's like, oh, she's scared of a little alligator. She was, it was five foot long. She is like, that's a baby. Like, that's not a big alligator. Like, they're 14, 15 feet.

Like, that's a, but it doesn't matter. It's scary. But I mean, that's just the way it is. Like all these, you've been to my place. Yeah. All these little fake ponds. Yeah. They all have alligators in them.

Even my, we had an alligator. alligator in the pond behind my house and it's got a little subdivision kind of like y'all's nowhere near like water but there's those little man-made ponds somehow another got in there and I mean it was pretty big like it was probably seven foot and everybody had kind of left it alone just like leave it be they had told them like don't feed it or whatever eventually it'll go wherever the hell it come from and I guess somebody's dog got out went down there and it got a hold to the dog oh yeah and and I guess it didn't eat it or kill it or whatever it killed it but it didn't eat it and the dog was seen floating in the water and

water. And so then they called animal control and they had to come and get it out. But like, it's a big ass alligator. My wife walks at nighttime. She walks our husky. And I'm just like, all right. Now you walk around that damn pond you want to. Like, I'd be careful. Bro, we, we used to have, like, we used to have a cat. And every time it would have a litter, we'd wait until the kittens weren't cute anymore. And we'd just go throw them out in the pond. They just get taken. Those gators get big. You know, it doesn't take a lot of kittens to, um, I know you're joking animal control is like I know you're joking animal control is like all on the way to your house right now we're talking about what I know just Jess is telling me all about it now she's like she's like you they like it to be rotten they'll take them down and let them I know that I know that we were talking about the little kid that got grabbed and Disney we were talking about that the other day you know because here's the problem is that

the pond my understanding is the pond had signs that said beware of alligator yeah but you're a northerner and you come down here and you know you just assume that bodies of water are are except are okay right because you're you are you're from up north and even if you saw that sign it's like seeing a no fishing sign you're like now you kind of blow it off you don't think danger yeah and these people are 150 feet away and their son is walking around the pond and they can see them and they think, oh, we're keeping an eye on him, not realizing, like, bro, you're not that fast and you don't know what's about to come. And the alligator just leaps out of the water, grabs a kid, drags them in, rolls them around.

And 10 hours later, they kill the alligator. They find the kid under some log, you know, under the ground, under the, the water. Like, it's, you know, it's horrific. And it's like, you know, in one way, you got to say, what were you guys thinking? But in other way, they're like, we're from up north. Like, this doesn't happen. this isn't even a thing yeah you need to have better signage like you know this many people killed this year by alligators or something that maybe jumps off to pay because you're you're

right like if they see outside you know alligators or whatever you just kind of nonchalant brush it all it's almost like yeah what's the likelihood of that really good yeah really good actually yeah so there were no cats in my neighborhood like there were no if you had something other say like all right nine people have been eaten by alligators this year watch the to fuck out or something. Something along that slide. Well, you know, the thing, too, is it was Disney and the sign looked very benign. Yeah. It didn't work.

You're Disney. You're right. You're Disney. Well, you know, I grew up on the River Hills Drive, which is, and it's right on the Hillsborough River. And, uh, listen, we were, they were constantly, like once a month, animal control was out there getting an alligator out of somebody's pool or somebody's front yard or under somebody's fucking car, you know, they come up with that thing and snoop grabbing by the, by the, by the nose and. and pull them up and wrap them up and take them and drop them back in the river bad gator not not a way i want to go not a way i want to go you want to hear about um franzis yeah please okay so i fly into l a to do michael franzes's show and i go to his studio so you know i meet him and you know when i get there he's like

I don't think he didn't care he's he's like hey listen he's like you know I want to talk about your story we're going to have just conversation he said I don't want to mention merlino anything like I said no no I wasn't even going to I go I wasn't even he goes because I saw you did some videos I go no no I wasn't even going to mention you know I'm done talking about that I said and he goes he said yeah he said you know whatever he said that's fine and he said I said um I said listen I said a matter of fact I said I had I said I said there I said there was such a back you know a backlash on that that I said you know one not just the comments I said, but also I said, I had a guy reach out to me and, you know, like threaten me and say all kinds of vulgar things and just was a complete jerk.

I said, then he called me on the phone. And he goes, what was his name? And I go, um, I said, I think it was like Logan or something. And he had looked at his wife. He said, yep, that guy called him to. Jesus. He called only, you know, Michael picked up the phone and they talked for a little bit. And he said it immediately was like, no.

And so he started talking to him. you know and kind of like like he he he basically was like no i'm you know i didn't i don't know what happened he's basically they they had a conversation so they have this whole conversation and the guy you know you know basically had that he's just a guy that's looking for attention is what it boils down to he's a guy seeking his number i've been looking for francis's number for two years over here was on instagram yeah it's instagram oh oh okay all right but you know that was it So, you know, that was the whole thing. But it was funny.

So this guy is actively calling people up and, you know, threatening them and saying stuff. And then, you know, obviously he's not going to do anything. He's not capable. I haven't gotten threats through Instagram yet or any, any, any great. Callers. It's possible. You can, you know, let's hope you do it. I got, I got, I got many.

I got many. How did you like California, man? You've been out there before, though, right? The problem is, you're not. not you're not offensive you have to be more offensive yeah you're very neutral i'm sorry to be neutral or you're going to have some really bad guess on like just bad people oh okay yeah i got a lot of hate for the gene video yeah the gene video personal but like just hate for for platform yeah which is so fun it's you know i don't know all these guys it's like okay well this freedom of

speech it's you know like guys will argue for freedom of speech and then yell at you for letting someone on your platform and telling their stories like what do you like you apparently don't know what freedom of speech is what what do you think of california man so i didn't because like this time i didn't stay in san francisco or la usually every time i've gone the homeless population is outrageous but i didn't stay there i didn't stay in those areas and although you do see homeless it wasn't as bad and there was no I didn't go by any encampments on the interstate last few times I was there you know the overpasses were packed full of these like homeless encampments there weren't any so you know I don't know I don't know what happened I asked you know

I asked the one of the Uber drivers and he was you know he basically said they clean them up every once a while and then they come back and then they clean them up again and they he said so he said sometimes it's worse than others he said they basically just move them around the city because they're still here you say you and OC um what's OC Orange County yeah I was in well I'm assuming I was it was close to LA I could see LA I don't know anything about California now I look like an idiot I didn't either I was I was 40 years old I was the first time I'd ever went and I'll tell you like I've heard these stories and I want to do a video it'll probably be the first video ever do where I don't interview somebody and I want to cover like the history

of the viper room back from when it was under mickey cohen to you know when depth done all his shenanning is there and then i think it was even the house or the the host of the um molly blooms card games where like aflac and jelby mcguire and all them guys done it um but like i had heard so much about like the sunset strip you know whiskey a go go the viper room and i met a guy that runs a youtube channel out there um his name's jeff crow and we met and like went down that strip and i'm just expecting like this you know non-stop party rock star thing and it just was not that like we went into whiskey a go-go they had a band going it wasn't really my cup of tea it was one of the yelling irish screaming bands kind of like the i don't know whatever the the departed people from departed

soundtrack or whatever i can't think of their name drop drop kick murfries or whatever something something along those lines and like they shut it down at like 1130 and they were like all right thank everybody for coming out and i'm just like well maybe they only open for people that are playing and so we leave there we go into the viper room it's like 1145 and you know i'm all excited i didn't even realize it was right there she's like yeah we're doing last call but you got time to buy one drink and i'm like yeah 12 o'clock like there's bars in muck's corner south carolina and it stay open past this time i was very disappointed well la has always been in earlier town so even at its heyday was like 2 a.m. right from new york and you're at wherever you

were and it's like 2 a.m. you're like still drinking and they're two last call you're like what's going on and they have like a hard shut down that's why there's so many after parties in l.A because everything closed down at two now they're closing out of 12 you know I didn't know where any of the after parties were I'm sure there was places that were still doing something I just wasn't you know familiar enough to go there but I mean it was it was interesting I mean I went to Santa Monica pier and you know walked around there seeing a few things I was pretty busy so I didn't have a whole lot of time to like just you know go about but I mean it was it was okay unless I had business there I would never go back has uh francis put out your um your video

no um I think he only does like one video interview a week and so I don't know if there was anybody between you and I you know that he that he done so I would imagine it's got to be soon, but I know how it is when I have it. I don't never bother people about when they drop. Right. Yeah. You're sort of up pretty well.

I think I started out like 70,000 views, like two, three days. No. I mean, I understand what you're saying, but you know that the audio keeps going in and out throughout the, throughout the interview. I listened to it. I didn't notice that as much. Then you didn't listen to it. You didn't listen enough.

No. You spotted a few. Oh, you listen, you listen. Now I can tell Matt I listen to it. No. What's the rule is it 10%, 20% do you skip over? I did watch most of your legs for you. I will say that.

Oh, it's sick. You did. Marcus Russell playbook there. They gave them those tapes to study the defense and they were blank. And he brought it back. I said, what did you think? I got it, coach. I'm good.

But yeah, the audio kept glitching in and out during the Franzis interview. Yeah. Do you know real time or you saw it afterwards? No, I didn't, I had no idea. Somebody just texted me like, hey, bro, I was watching the Franzis, you know, at 16 minutes and 12 seconds, you know, the audio goes out. And I was like, what? So then I checked it. And sure enough, so what picked up was the camera picked it up. So you can hear me, but I'm clearly at a distance.

Yeah. And then two minutes later, it jumps back on for five minutes. And then it goes out for a minute and a half. and then it comes on for 15 minutes and then it goes out for a minute i wonder what would have caused it to go out like that unless it wasn't plugged in gun or something because normally if they die it just dies and you're done right you would think and it was a lapel you're alive right yeah so am i moving like i'm not moving around no i don't think so it was it was weird i don't know i hope mine didn't do that yeah i hope hopefully it you know hopefully it um

doesn't um you know hope i mean i i was going to say like i think that's going to cause people to stop listening you know like audio is super important it is it's more important than the actual video well if there's a story they can keep them hooked mad this you by god well i mean i've got people that have you know they're like bro i saw check it out it's amazing stories like yeah i know i mean i i hear that like i get you but i'm still it's irritates me not because it's not that they did it on purpose it's just like oh man that sucked like what a great platform him to be on and it's not like you can just hop right back around the corner and do it again right let's reshoot this so matt how do you because i'm starting to finally do some

press i was like reluctant for a while i'm like you know i got to promote the show got to start good suppress so i've watched most of your stuff even before i met you and you do a pretty good job at giving your story but it's like a little different each time for how did you like what was your plan for francis and how do you keep telling your story without making it redundant and important because like after lex freedman somebody's going to have somebody going to see it before right so when you go on new shows how do you keep it fresh i mean i i think it it is redundant you know and i think what happens is people ask different questions and so that tends to spin it off in a different way and then i jump back and then what happens sometimes like you know franzis doesn't want to do a four

hour or two hour podcast so he he's like yeah let's do let's do let's try and do an hour 45 minutes to an hour. It's like, okay, well, then that means I can't tell this story. I can't tell this story. I can't tell this story completely. I can say, you know, that I got caught in the bank. They came down. I convinced them this. Like, I can't explain how I convinced them that it was, that I wasn't involved. Yeah. You know, I can just say I luckily I convinced them. And then I can't. So that's a five minute or four minute explanation. So these 10 minute stories become, you know, a minute stories. And then some of them I eliminate completely. And then, you know, by the time you're done, it's like you've taken what's typically a two-hour podcast or two hours worth of a story.

Because to get a good version of my story, you need an hour to two hours. So I ended up talking to him for, I don't know, an hour and change, hour and 20 minutes, something like that. And I knew he didn't, you know, we're running over an hour. You need to wrap this up. And then when we got to sentence or got to me going. to prison he like cut it off he's like well you know we'll do that we'll save that for part two part two there's no part two like we didn't talk about part two i'm not back out here i hate california no um that was a hell of a fucking plane ride like what are you talking about

but i was like oh yeah he didn't want to do it this long anyway so i uh i got a i got a your best interview my opinion well first the o g concrete that that we know that's going to be in the annals of podcast history but my opinion the best matt cox interview and for the 30 100 people that watch a shit religiously is the second julian dory interview was not only the best but it might have been the funniest podcast thing i've ever heard yeah julian you know the second one the second one with jim but jim was there for half of it that was a banger yeah he yeah he was good on my pot on my um yeah uh my thing jim was funny but you know jim was funny but you know jim he's a little over the top too like guys are like is this an FBI agent talking about breaking people's

collar bones like what the hell's going on and when he was talking about that I was thinking to myself like do you realize what you're saying right now like is that the one you just recently did like not too long ago yeah okay well Jim you were once again you didn't watch that either it's fine I haven't had a chance I got it on your list watch that one because one of the guys he was talking about one of the strip club owners uh my a family member of mine through a chair at the same guy so i knew him was pretty interesting and the guy was a skumby no well it doesn't narrow it down pretty much everybody i'm sure you guys have this issue like with your own shows like unless i'm prepping for someone that's been on somebody else's show i really don't have a lot of time to watch

other shows like i don't watch anybody show i don't watch my show yeah yeah i don't watch my yeah listen i would have never known that there was a problem with the audio on franzis if somebody hadn't told me that you know like i will go back and scroll through the comments but i won't ever rewatch anything that i've done anyway yeah i think the lex one i really for probably the first week i went through pretty thoroughly the comment section but that was it i don't think i really watched much of it you know like it's exhaust you get a lot of subs from it i i you know what's a lot of sub like to me i think i probably it probably got me 10 or 15 000 subs of That's a lot.

Wow. Whereas in the same, in the same month and a half that I would have gotten, you know, whatever, 3,000 subs, I probably got three or three to five. I probably got 20, 15 to 20. You are one away from Rogan. Right. I have a feeling Rogan's heard my name multiple times and has decided against it for some reason. I've had multiple people say like, I'm going to reach out to him.

I'm going to. Lex said, I'm going to talk to it. Look, he's like, he's like, I'm going to be with him. in about two weeks i'm going to mention him you'd be amazing with him and i never heard anything so and i don't doubt lex did mention it yeah but probably he was like yeah you know he probably just i'm not it i'm not i can see you and rogan having a really good i'd be a good one conversation i mean i would i don't yeah there's not many people who don't i mean it's a you know it's rogan right you know he's a pretty where do you go other than rogan where do you realistically go after lex

um i mean i would flagrant's pretty big schwartz yeah those would be great i i don't know how to contact that what you Andrew Andrew was just on postamante reach out there's not going to help me no no listen Andrew looks at me and and me even saying this is probably going to make him think like when i say this i think his first response is i don't even consider you like he thinks of me as competition. Stop. And I think that, and when not me saying that, I think he's going to be like, you're not even close to being competition. Like, I'm a peasant.

So he, like, what are they going to tell you? You put him on, though. Yeah, yeah, he's forgotten about that. Matt Cox, Matt Cox. That sounds familiar. Is he a short guy? Was he in prison? So, yeah, he, he's not.

here's the thing like let i mean sorry um andrew's still pulling big numbers yes well from left yeah he's he's pulling like massive uh his number one show right i'm just over here hoping that i can get even close to the amount of subs that you just said you got off francis i mean if i get 15 that would be like that's way more than i even have now i mean yeah but if you you you have to throw in there like you have to force in there like you know i i run a uh true oh you know i did that's like that's intertwined in my story and it really is because like in the middle of me being on house arrest like i couldn't go anywhere i couldn't do anything i was bored out of my mind so the that was a podcast was like what i grab a hold to that was my therapy right so i definitely had to throw

that in you know it'd be a good one i don't have a connect with but the ice coffee hour you ever see that one it's a good one i don't know that one business you show but once in a while i'll have have some interesting characters and criminals on that one that one in flagrin are about the same size we have three million subs nice nice a size show so i'm flying that i'm going to l.a to do the ice coffee hour on the 19th of april so you're going back to l a right no no uh i'm sorry Vegas Las Vegas he's in how did you get that one um David pack owls yeah because he was just he was just on there correct so i was like hey bro so you got to come on hook me up so he put me on a you know a chain with them or what do you what do you guys call that when you have multiple people it's

like a chain right it's group chat group chat he put me on a group chat and you know they said yeah you know hey when here's when we're available it's a big show yeah he said um i who i think i was talking to probably jack and he goes he said listen i need to let you know that you know you may come out we may do the interview but you have to understand that there's a chance that we won't air it because you know we only air the absolute best shows And I said, I'm pretty amazing. I'll take my chances. And he came back.

Ha, ha, ha. Okay. Well, while you're out there, there's a, not as a big show, but it's pretty good. Brad Leah, like you saw, I heard him. I've heard that name. Yeah, he puts on a good, more businessy, but he'll have criminals on, I have some different people on. Because I'm just trying to think when you're in Vegas, you want to optimize the time.

So that's a pretty big one. I would look at Brad Leah. I might have a connection to him. I'm sorry. The problem is I've already got my ticket. Listen to this round trip. I'm leaving at like 8.50 in the morning. Because it's a, because of, it's a five-hour flight,

but because of the time change, I get there at 11. I, from a, it gives me, that gives me three hours to get to the studio at two. I'm talking for, let's say, a couple hours. then I my next my flight leaves at 11 I have a four three or four hour layover I get home the next morning at 11 o'clock a.m. And I can't sleep on I don't think I've ever slept on an airplane. Well, you know, you've done this before. You got to go to Vegas and that's your main show. And then you got to plan three others around it. I mean, if I could get somebody that could do it at, you know, seven o'clock at night. And I could do that for two hours and then they go straight to the airport, you know, or six o'clock.

So we could do it at six o'clock because I'm sure I could move theirs down to one. Like they didn't, they were like, we're pretty flexible. Yeah. So if I had somebody that I could do. What about, uh, didn't the guy that you had on that done all those years in prison that they wanted to Joey to rat on? Isn't he out of Vegas? Gritability or something like that. Oh, yeah.

Is he out of Vegas? Oh, he is out of Vegas. You're right. I'm right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you know, I don't know I feel about that. He's super tall.

You can't get any taller than you standing next to Johnny Mitchell, pal. That was ridiculous, right? Like, what an embarrassing photo. Yeah, I was six. I'm out of cropped the shit out of it if I did. I mean, I, like, I was thinking, like, I need a box, you know, like if I could stand on a box or if, three telephone books, if they, if they still made telephone books, nobody watching this show even knows what a telephone book is they're like i don't yeah yellow pages yeah

basically big money to deliver those it's probably like five grand did deliver like a crate they were heavy the uh cops used to beat people with because they wouldn't leave bruises yep yep you fold them out oh well what else is going on what what's everybody's because we're supposed to be talking about our channels yeah all right so i need to be able to go sub to mine i really want to break 10 000 this is really uh it's really bothered me i'm not broke 10 yet to me that's like that number that i really want to get to right what are you're at now factory number it's uh like eight eight and a quarter eight two 50 you need to you need a short or a tic talk to go viral yes yes i did how did you uh how's your gene interview do

oh good he's like my you're talking to me or man yeah how you oh it was like it's my it's my second best video oh nice yeah i think the only one that beat him was like a pretty o g porn star i think she's at like 77 something last time i looked he was at like 50 or 55 and he told me when we're done he was like he said what do you average get you know on a video and i was like i you know sometimes two to seven i was like some of the really good ones have you know 10 i said i think romundi's even got like 20 and uh he's like i guarantee you i'll do 25 and i'm like well if you do I'll be happy, bro. You know, I'm not, I was just like, nah, but he doubled it.

All right. So let me ask you this. Actually, I think an important question. I have a feeling I know how Matt is going to answer this, but me as Wade. So I've had informants on before. You had informants on as well, right? And I got a lot of heat where I was giving them softballs, which, which respectfully, I accept that criticism. So now when I do it, I try to be more critical, try to do deeper, that kind of stuff.

Do we have the responsibility to be the aga-gacha guys and to be critical? Or is that just not our job? Our job is just to be a sounding board and let them tell their story. What do you think, wait? I think it depends on who you want to be. Yeah. You know, because to me, like, if you're really like balls out on somebody and you're trying to drive and just say you do on there or something that they've been lying about on multiple shows,

yeah. anybody that's even remotely fibbing or stretching something is then going to be reluctant to go on your show yeah because i mean a lot of people want to go on and tell their story or granted i don't you don't want to have somebody on it just tells lie after lie for an hour and a half but you know like so for a perfect example and you've recently met her uh Andrea Gia yeah yeah i was on a show so i had her on and i think i posted it last week and it's it's a big like misunderstanding where I'd say misconception, I guess, because any article that you read,

it reads like she cooperated. You know, and I actually read it to her from the article. I'm like, this is what the article reads. And I read it and I'm like, it says, Andrea played ball with the feds. They made her an offer. She could not and did not refuse. I was like, now if anybody reads that, they're going to think you cooperated.

But, you know, and at least that was explained to me, she was arrested, but for her to go free, her then husband, I think John Fogarty, and then I think her brother, had to plead guilty so she didn't have to cooperate that she was basically the bait now depending on how deep you want to go of if you even sit down and talk with the cops you're rat or whatever you know that's kind of a fine line but did she cooperate what she did she

take the stand and put people in prison no those people you know turn themselves in willingly yeah she uh she is very good friends with uh my friend's uncle who is very important in that life and that wise guy life and I know for a fact he would not talk to her if she was a cooperator nor could he nor could he's a he's a captain with with one of the families and he just he could not talk to her if she was an informant she has brought his name up a few times on the podcast surprisingly I was even I was shocked so she mentioned a few names you can't really narrow it down but my point being is I know him and I know his family and they're not talking to somebody who qualp they're just not any any can't publicly you're

speaking about somebody this current he's a he's a he's with a minimum uh than you know captain so okay uh he uh is not going to talk to her if she's in a former to too too much not even even in 24 it's not worth it for him and he would distance himself to the fact that he talks to her for me is enough yeah and that that's kind of how i went with it it's like you know it really just depends on how people want to drive and like she answered the questions she even i laid it out like you know if you watch get goddy the way they edit that show is like you know she's going around talking about murders and it's like you were sitting at a table with john goddy when we all know no that wasn't true and she said yeah i was talking about the people that was involved in my case

about talking about possibly committing murders which that i believe wholeheartedly yeah but the way they edited it it edited it right after maybe ruggiano was talking about about Gotti yeah she's like we were all sitting around talking about murder so it's not that she said i was sitting there with goddy it's that art of how netflix seems that together they're make it sounds like she's saying something that she really didn't yep that that that and let's be honest it's entertainment right she did not use and i think it's going to haunt her and i love andress she knows that but i think it's going to haunt her when she used like we ran the city we did this we did that and i think that's what jammed her up in terms like you know we talk

with us all the time yeah can care less about any of this and most of his audience feels the same right well i'm interested i think it's so funny the the the matt's learned how these this bunch is and i told him that when we done that very first joey interview and i don't know if we've talked about this with you tom but when we got done he was like you want to share this on your channel and i'm like no i'm good i i was a bunch I was like, I was like, really? I mean, like, it's free content. Like, this is like an hour and a half of good.

So I thought it was good. And he was, I feel like there's going to be some issues. He said, you go ahead. And I was like, okay. So what do you guys think of Kevin disbanding from the skinny podcast? Kevin, what's the name? Kevin, uh, Connolly. Wade?

Uh, well, I don't, I didn't really know a whole lot about it. You know? from what i've heard and and i don't know of any of this to be true so if you or anybody knows you know yay or nay tell me but he i want to say the number was like a hundred grand kind of finance the thing yeah and with them getting kicked off youtube i don't know if that kind of threw monkey wrench into it or not necessarily kicked off but everything with a thousand fuchs a second probably got demonetized yeah so i don't know how the patreon deal worked into it but i guess that relationship went kaput and i think not too long ago

didn't he post up a picture with Chris Patchiello? Kevin or Joe? Yeah, Kevin. No, Joey wouldn't have Kevin. I mean, no, I did not see that. I heard that. I heard that. So do not quote, for God's sakes, if it didn't happen, I'm sorry, I heard it.

And you know, if he did, that's like the biggest slap in the face, you know, Joey and his whole everything that he's, you know, preach for the last couple months. Because, Matt, do you know who Chris Patchiello is? No, but I have, it's my understanding, he has someone who has, who has cooperated with the authorities and is not liked by, by the, the organization, the, um, let me think that the end it, the mob, the mafia industry as a whole. He's, he's just got a little bit better of a backstory. I would say the most. Like he was with, was that the Bath Avenue crew? No, he was with. the Staten Island guys. Okay. And he was the one. And this is, this is a great, well, it's a bad tragedy story, but also a crazy story where he was involved with the home invasion, where they shot the woman, Judith Shimtov. And they were going to get, um, so the guy was like a smug,

what did they call it, smut guy, smote dealer. He had all like porn, that kind of stuff back there was a lot of cash. Supposed he had like a million dollars or whatever in the house. I don't forget the number. So they got to the door and the guy, Tom, Tom, Ronald, so I actually supposed to get out this year, was high, and he shot the woman in the face. He killed her. Pachiello was the guy who set it up. And then Jimmy Calandra, was there right? Jim Calandra informed Tommy Reynolds went away for 50 years.

Fabrizio, Franceschi, I have to get his name. And he just got out, and he went away for 40 years. but Jimmy Clanger rolled And then one other in that crew Oh, and then Petchella rolled And then that was it Petya also rolled on the bananas as well Which is a little screwed up

Because he was really close With like TG and a lot of those guys And he kind of rolled on some of his friends Went down to Miami Kind of like with his thing And they left him alone But it's interesting You remember the

And you guys are I don't know if you're a Florida guy Wade But Matt's in Florida You remember the guy Gus Bullis He had the um casino cruises and the mob killed him you guys hear about that the suncoast casino oh i remember that suncoast casino though yeah so he had the license and the mob was basically

going to buy him out uh and it was two big shots this guy ab him off who's a big shot with the government uh and another one uh uh uh i can um anyway remember the one 800 mattress yeah that guy so the one 800 mattress guy and this big politician, we're going to, or big lobbyists, we're going to buy this guy out. They basically said, hey, here's $300 million. Didn't pay him, right? When they didn't pay him, he went to the mob, this guy Muscatelah, which is God, he's right hand. Wasn't a made guy, but he was very powerful. Went to him, the guy Bolus wound up dead, okay? The way the guy Bolus was killed was he was driving, and it kind of was like a movie mob hit, got cut off, middle of the street, and got

killed. Muscatelow was a quiet guy, so he wouldn't have killed him that way. So it's like, he got released for his Muscatello. So the belief is he didn't do it, but somebody else from the mob did, or somebody from the government, because Ambramov could have walked into any Republican office,

but here's a crazy part. You know, $1,800 mattress? The woman who got shot in the face was his mom, Judy Shempda. Oh, wow. Yep. See, before Chris cooperated and Matt, You may or may not have heard the story, but he moved after that robbery got botched and that

he got killed. Chris took off. Correct. And he opened up club liquid. Yeah. And like he's down. Nobody has a clue, at least, you know, the regular folks that he was involved in all this. He's dating Sophia Vigara.

Madonna. You know, this club is like the spot to go to in Miami. It is the, like all the top people go there. He was also backed by wise guys and wise old money at the time. And then next thing you know, he's indicted on this murder. And then he does cooperate. And like Tom said, he comes back to Florida. I think he eventually did get back in a club business.

And he's got like some very high in gyms and stuff down there. Yeah. So it's an interesting story. They made a movie that was kind of loosely based on it called Kings of South Beach. Yeah. With Jason Gedrick and Donnie Wahlberg. And his book, Mob Over Miami was it. best sellers yeah yeah that was and I interviewed the lady Michelle McPhee yeah I interviewed her on the show

and this is what she tells me now because she was like any idea you have she's like make sure you get you know a copy of her to get it patent she's like kings of South Beach is my idea I went to dinner I pitched it to a director he said I'll get back to you the next thing I know it's being made without me yeah I mean not that it was a great I think it was like a B movie or whatever it never went to like cinemas but yeah still a good movie no He never heard of you, he's Matt. No. No.

It's, I mean, it is, it's a pretty interesting, just because, like, he was dating all of these top people. And there's a, there's a show, I think it's called mugshots. It's kind of like gangsters, but it's called mugshots. And I think it's called, like, Mob in Miami or something like that. It's worth the look if you, you know, got some time to kill on your flight to L.A. or Las Vegas. Well, Matt, Matt, Matt, and the audience that don't know why it matters. So they were at a heat game, I believe a heat game, and Patchiello was there, and Molina was there with a bunch of his guys, and supposedly, supposedly,

this is as far as Jerry Capisi, Merlino mouth, you effing rat, and then he got, and supposedly Patchiella got in front of his face and says, call me rat to my face, do it now where I'll be Joe, blah, blah, blah, confronted him, allegedly Joey backed down, and it made the news. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash-brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery.

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If anything, Joey probably dies with them. At the time, Joey allegedly was a sitting boss. I don't think he would do that to a sitting boss. so i don't think nothing i don't think anything happened but that was the alleged story well chris um is a pretty interesting fella basically got hands he he could scrap if i had to bet on those two i'm putting money on this come on yeah so so okay i'm not sure how all this ties in so so conno backed merlino yeah merlino and merlino gets he's having major troubles he was having major troubles on youtube right like he's having hard time getting his stuff monetized which is

really honestly ridiculous i mean whoever's running the channel obviously doesn't understand youtube yeah and all he had to do was curb his language you know um watches titles and it and worst scenario is is go through and edit out you know and that's just you just censored you just beep a few of the they don't bring up the former president and the election either right like like it wouldn't have been very difficult to to make those to fully monetize that channel but so they then they decided you know what forget this we're just going to post shorts and we're going to go to um patreon yeah so they go to patreon they charge 10 15 bucks 15 bucks kind of a steve for a podcast yeah yeah um what 15 bucks a month i mean it is you know his fans would

you know they probably pay that i mean i don't know how many if there's enough to sustain you know a living off of it but i could be wrong like i mean listen uh johnny mitchell has like 2800 uh patreon followers that are paying 10 bucks a piece to watch his stuff so johnny mitchell already has like a million sub so he does but but i mean it's look multiple things that this brings up to me to me everybody that i know that has a connection to or knows merlino has said he's never had a business or a business partner he didn't try and screw over yeah so when when i heard you know the whole you know connolly is putting up the money and backing him i was thinking well how long will that take for him to screw that up yeah you know like this gives him a perfect reason

to say, well, we're, we're going to do a Patreon and we'll pay you out of that and then just not pay him. Well, who knows? What probably happened, and I heard it through a fairly reliable source, that the advance was in the neighborhood of 100, right? Yeah. He was going to give him 100 for his health. It's an earnoff, right?

Here's 100. Here's an advance. God knows what Joe. He does with it. That's his business. And then over the year or six months, whatever the defined period, he earns it off. So more than likely, he was probably on the end of the earnoff period, maybe was 100K plus 20% and the number two was Kevin was supposed to team up for a movie deal which obviously

didn't happen or at least didn't have if it did it would still be engaged but the part that I found kind of suspect but interesting because I someone to me a try to be media for a living for my clients is Kevin has is on the West Coast he has a studio he has a network he has studio in I believe in Florida and he wasn't given a lot of the show was not giving a lot of support. Like they didn't do a lot of in studio in Florida. When it was in South Philly, you could easily find local guys, pay them, B-roll, throw some labs on, maybe a light. So quality was poor. So I just think Kevin ran lean on purpose because he knew he wasn't get his money back. So when he got his money back, he's like, you know what? I'm still friends.

Let me get out of it. So the show is going back. I can't imagine he got 100, 100 grand back. that there's no way that that that youtube show did not make 100 grand i mean they are they are like doing they're all doing some merch um they are doing uh some sponsorships they are i think kevin got a piece of that merch probably yeah they probably like i mean if it was me if i was staking it i would get like half of the first money out so if the show makes 400 i get my 100 out yeah they're still to operate to some of eat snuff probably has a some type of stipend and bref share as well so he's got to get paid but the truth of the matter is kevin probably got his money back or whatever was agreed to and he split because it just didn't make financial sense for him probably that's like if you look

at the show now the way it is like they're interviewing guys like well the rick flare episode the audio was was horrible yeah but all they're doing now everyone i've seen the audio has not been good well lately and i did subscribe to the patreon to hear a few of them and like the ones that they're doing now are much better so if they could have started out yep Like now from the beginning, I think it would have went off much better because that's what Kevin was supposed to do, supposed to do. Kevin was not only supposed to be, hey, here's the money, but he was supposed to make him part of his podcast network. I mean, you know, maybe that could have been Joey's plan, too, was to do it rough or whatever, get the followers and then cut deals with Kevin. Yeah, but they're at 50K followers, which is I'm at 47.5. What is that? So 50K is not what it used to be. And it's not a lot, to be honest.

But it was fast. That's pretty fast, you know. Here's a thing for anybody watching and we're kind of talking about our channels. There's not a lot of money in this. There's just not. And just because he did it doesn't mean there's money in it, right? Right. You get a five, eight, ten, 15K a month.

Don't get me wrong. It's a lot of money. There's a place in the United States for 15K, you live like a king. But when you chop it up, they have an editorial team. They have snuff. They got Joey. They probably got some backers. We got some overhead and probably does not not not money you can live on to be honest

I feel like you can get snuff for like free pizza or lunch like we'll feed him lunch I feel like he'd come on I don't I don't feel like that he's a nice guy I'm sure he's a nice guy I'm I bet he's wonderful I did I did have snuff on the pack yeah how did you're uh I had a mom when he first first came on he was like a live right he was like in his car on the way to Penn State but I was happy to have mom but you got kind of like the first out of the key uh real into you how'd that go it went good i mean we we more or less folk i knew like listen merino's even reluctant to talk about anything mob related so i just figured can any of that and not even really mention it because if merino can't talk about it i know snuff's either

not going to or be very minimal so we really kept it about him and you know i didn't even really know that he was um a recovering addict yeah we talked about his addiction and how we beat it and then kind of how they picked him for this because he was doing certain things on social media for the car commercials and it just kind of was a natural fit apparently he's known joey is his whole life joey's a good co-host america co-host yeah he's a good yin to joey jang and like joey has always been a charismatic dude and i think he's loved the camera and obviously he's relished the uh the the limelight but you could tell when they first started like for the first couple episodes and i'm sure my show was the same way was rough they were probably trying to

find their footing you know it was a little bit so he definitely needs to need to be you know snuff somebody to take the take a little bit of the light if you will let me ask you this because when joey first came out he was going to tell some of the stories we're going to talk about gambling picks that kind of stuff which i thought was really good now he's doing like the route of the month that kind of stuff i find it interesting here from his side of his perspective but that doesn't reach a broad audience what do you guys think is that the right move to do the whole route of the month thing or is that kind of too niche it's it's silly but his audience probably gets you know you know what's funny about it is that if he could do it without the disgust

yeah like really kind and do it like in an educated way like here's what happened here's this here's that the guy got in there he decided to cooperate you know which i don't agree with like if he could do it almost um systematically instead of the whole the whole that rap bastard motherfucker fuck that like enough already like get get over yourself like i understand you're a tough guy you wouldn't cooperate right but you know but if he could kind of go through the motions and explain the guy's story and how it how it played out and then you know accurately and then the guy testified and three people went to jail one guy got this what i really laid out i think that's too much i think that's too much homework snuff could do it you know i don't think joey wants to put that much effort in but

I think snuff could do it, or at least bounce off, like have the, well, here's what happened then, Joe. That could be good. I think if he edited the videos better. Yeah. I think he could go live. I mean, not live. I think he could go get back on, on YouTube, do long-form content.

I think he could make a living at this. Listen, I do four podcasts a week. I'm making more than enough of a living on this. But I think I'd like to get one more thing in. before you guys before i can see wade wade's like chomping the bets give me one more second um he's like he's he's ready to okay so one more thing the thing with connolly

i'm gonna say and whether i not i this we ever find this out or not i think connolly left lost his ass i think he's probably upset and honestly let's face it we've all seen goddy not sure i want him doing my movie um if i was joey not sure he could you know pull that off in any in a successful way so you know he probably did and you know listen the fact is

Joey is his own worst enemy if he could curb his behavior even slightly he probably could get everything he wants out of life. I agree with that I can see that. He has an amazing story. Amazing. But he's got an attitude. I mean he's got

this horrible horrific attitude that's limiting his ability to make money because he could be a superstar on YouTube but his he's his own enemy he won't do it well he's got the fan base for sure people do love that as you well found out after the he's got his you know his his dedicated fans but the thing is he has the people around him to give him enough facts to pull off a show like you were talking about tom you know the people we push back or i don't know yeah they're they're um uh i'm pretty prominently listed on the

sites i did a show with uh all right so if you go on the website I'm basically on the front page, okay, or one of the front pages, okay? So I had a, I had a show for a number, for 80 episodes with the guy, John Panisi. Right. He's kind of like the latest informant. That was a me guy, right? So I had a other podcast, we did the nine show series. Went really well.

We hooked up. We said, you know what? Let's try a show together, called the NBA Button Man. The whole idea was it was, it was kind of like two Italian guys and, and kind of from different backwheres. grounds we're going to kind of do different stuff obviously we went right to the mob stuff that's whatever we wanted to hear so we pushed back kind of got launched he was one of the people that testified against the guy dominic crea his father who was the other italian guy yeah coincidentally yeah coincidentally one of my one of my cousins basically relatives was one of the um

defendants with his father too so like they think i'm just like you know not i'm empathetic towards it but i'm a straight guy i'm a not a wise guy i'm just because i'm italian doesn't mean i'd like this shit you know so um so i had a show with him and we're driving up to boston and uh we're doing a live right and there was you know there's um sock accounts there's uh fake accounts that people have there's one called amber alert he's like no one in the community he just he actually i think he was meant to to be like a uh a sock account against lee cole and if you guys know you know know like the way in those leaks so anyway so that's been on leisha yeah so long story short um john john's driving i'm driving john's doing the live and instead of trying to glee amber alert

he um makes him a wrench oh shit or he makes him a wrench the guy not only deletes and blocks every single person in the chat basically deletes and blocks like 2 000 people like instantly like just like and then we went live again and nobody was in the chat we're like what's going on there's 90 people watching there's nobody in the chat so john and with fullest respect got angry he shot back he goes you mother effer blah blah blah said some very nice choice words so we pushed back took it as context look at this informant's behavior right going after a guy and his wife meanwhile it's called amber alert who's trivializing abductions right i don't know how that's normal well that's normal so john is going after this guy for basically screwing up our channel

john was pissed them saying he was right but he was piss saying your your wife is this your wife is that the guy's a sock account and i'm just driving i don't know what's going on and i get put on the we pushed back because i sat idly while lying informant was going after some guy's wife named amber alert who basically destroyed our channel so anyway not not going to be pushed back i'm just giving you the context of why i'm on there and i believe it free speech i'm not going to strike it i'm not going to say anything it's kind of funny actually to me but you might make it on there i don't know i don't know if it's strictly mob people but it's basically like they just make a bank of people that have informed i have heard like i've heard that name

i feel like i'm on their instagram or something i feel like they feel like they posted something on their about me on their instagram well joey and them are like real tight I believe Domit goes on the show. Listen, I believe in free speech. I see both sides of the coin. I see, you know, a lot of Italians in Italian-American community got into the life. Got screwed over by other people they trusted. They took an oath.

I get that. But in the other round, as an honest Italian-American, they weren't, like, good people in society. They weren't, like, the valedictorian of the class. They weren't, like, the good people that you could trust. You know what I mean? Like, so I kind of see that side where, you know what? And the other part is it's a slippery situation. slope right or informants for the mob bad right but then it's like well we need informants for terrorism

what about sex rings what about pito rings so it's like oh you could have informants for that but informants for the mob are bad yeah i don't buy that what and you want to know what i i love tom he's a good person i don't know about that but wait wade when we talk about informants he's like yeah i don't know i don't want to say anything but you know that the funny part though is like some of these people that have committed murders and you know then turn around and cooperated like i met him and hung out with them in there they're nice guys at least to me but i tell people that i'm like look i don't know them in the context of the life or you know in the mom i know context of you know how we know each other now i'm i interviewed them and then you know

we've hung out like when i went and done i'm bick's podcast in connectic i hung out with anthony a lot of yeah he took me around the city we had dinner everybody knew him everybody treated him with respect he's definitely not hiding like he's on facebook he posts everywhere he goes yeah i got a funny story with anthony when you're done i hope he won't get mad oh go ahead so we might have in boston we were going to do some stuff together but um might have in boston had a few drinks hanging out and we want have cigars and it was like a w hotel or something and you just can't smoke anywhere. So like, I was going to smoke outside. So we go to the pool area and we're having cigars, having a nice time, having some scotch. And, you know, kind of like the security guard

comes by this younger, skinnier kid. And he's like, you guys got to go. Look at all right. I'm almost done. Like, whatever. I try to give a kid 100. He's like, I can't take that. I'm like, really? Like, really? Like, all right. We'll finish. You know, apologize. We're almost done. comes back and I think he was really like really like like kind of needling Anthony like he was. And I'm sitting there like like just like like it's not worth like you know I put my cigar out hand. I think he had to be a gentleman

but the guy just kept meddling him. We put out the cigars and but the kid just kept kneeling him. I'm like just please let us go. Just please. And anyway Anthony was a gentleman. It was fine. We got out of there. I don't know why he didn't take the hundred beyond me And then we finish our cigar or something else. And that's what he told me. Like we were out and it was probably like 8.30 closing in on 9 o'clock.

And he's like, listen, you know, don't take offense. He's like, but I turn in early. He's like, I don't stay out very late. He's like, you know, people see you. They may want to try something. He's like, I'm not afraid of anybody. He said, I'm afraid of what I'll do. Yeah, yeah, true.

And, and I understood that. And so he was like, yes, I just don't take that back. I moved back to his old area. He's in his old area. Yeah, he's in the neighborhood he grew up in. little jim yeah yeah like he just does not give a damn like he went which i mean i don't know like other than the gas brothers i don't really know how many people he put away from there i know he mostly new york guys that went away when he testified yeah i think he put away the brothers

and then he also another made guy um because felix who who and one one or two other guys from his old crew that he either helped or help or help put away or gave him a longer i think a longer sentence too because the guy i'd admit to be a made guy which compounds a sentence so matt to give you a little context on who we're talking about i'm sure you've heard whitey bulger right right so the two brothers that we refer to that went to jail that was uh freddie and tied g as i think freddie was the one that allegedly uh beat bulger to death with the shock in the prison okay yeah and i think they've done a lot of i don't want to run the risk of demonetizing this thing but uh they've done a lot of other stuff

other than beating to death they uh popped out a few uh i guess things you would need in everyday life yeah i've i heard what the the outcome was um i was gonna say it's it's funny when you were saying like you know you hung out with the guy this is a nice guy there was an when i was in the medium there was an old guy they called him old man jim he was probably 70 something and it's probably what, five, ten in decent shape. You know, he actually kind of limped. But he was in good shape, but he had a kind of a limp.

And he painted. You know, we were both, we both painted. We would see each other in the art room. And I always liked him, right? But everybody seemed kind of, not everybody, but a couple of guys seemed standoffish. So I used to walk with him. I'd help him carry stuff and walk back and forth, you know.

And I had this guy, this guy, this guy's name uh god forget his name i can't believe it the last name was de geronimo but anyway one time he said you you like old man jim don't you i said yeah he's all right and he goes yeah he's all right he said but you know why he's here right and i said i don't know i mean i don't know i said it was like a drug conspiracy or something right like i mean he goes yeah but he's also doing time in the state right now so you know you're doing your federal time but you're you're Your state, you also got sentenced in the state, and that's running. Yeah.

And he's like, he's got like four life sentences in state for multiple murders. And I went, oh, um, okay. Like on July 18th, get excited. This is big! For the summer's biggest adventure. I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited. Sorry.

Smurfs, only did this July 18th. I didn't, I didn't realize that. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, like he'll never leave the medium. And I was like, okay, he said, I was like, well, I don't really understand. And I want to say, and I probably got to have this wrong, but the story I was told was, this is back in the 70s and 80s. When if you were in a county jail, county jails were not that secure. So he was waiting to go to trial.

And there were like, whatever, six informant or six people, six witnesses against him. So about 10 days before the trial, they give you the witness list. He gets the witness list the next day he escapes from the county jail in a state case. A year later, he walks back to the county jail, walks in the front door and says, hey, I'm so-and-so. You guys are looking for me. I'm Jim, whatever his name is. You're looking for me. I'm ready to turn myself in.

They go, oh, okay. They check, oh, wow, they handcuff them. Yeah, we've been looking for you. Appreciate you coming back. Right. So the district attorney is like, okay, well, we're going to put the trial together. and they we need a continuance whatever so they've you know 60 days and over the next month or so they go to they round up all the witnesses and they can't find any witnesses like three of them

died like one like two are shot one was stabbed to death the other three are just missing and i was like and so they have to like drop the charges now eventually they end up getting him on a on a another charge or something like that he end up being well the feds come in they grab him for drug conspiracy and the state comes in and they charge him with multiple some of these murders and he ends up getting a like three life sentences or whatever it is in the state and the federal he does his time in federal prison and he was like so you know he said like this is i'm still really green right he's like so this guy um de geronimo he's like which sounds indian by the way but it's actually French. So he was one of the, he was one of the pretendians where they pretend to be

Indians so they can get tobacco and smoke, smoke, they smoke tobacco. You know, and he would be like, he's like, my name's DeGeronimo. What are you talking about? Of course I'm Indian. It's like, it's Italian. So, um, anyway, yeah, so he was like, so, you know, I mean, he said, I know you like, just keep in mind who you're, who you're hanging out with. He's like, and everybody, you know, most guys don't care. But was so funny about that was I kind of always kept that. Of course, I'm still nice to the guy, like I'm polite and I'm helping him and whatever he needs. He's an old guy. To me, you're just an old guy.

Yeah. So what was so funny was about a month or two later, he's got, like, he used to put, he used to keep his canvases. Sometimes he didn't, he would keep canvases on top of the locker and they didn't want him to do that. And he would hide stuff behind it. And so one day this, this female guard comes in and she goes, she's like, you know, Jim or I forget what his last name was, whatever, you know, Jim, get over. here and did you do this and i told you she's if i you you do this one more time i'm telling you right now i'm going to kick you out of the art and she's screaming and her face you know is sweaty and she's yelling and he he starts smiling and he's kind of chuckling and she's like what's so

funny and he's like you're right you're right i'm nothing i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm right but when he when she leaves he and i are like walking back to the unit i'm helping them bring some stuff and he says uh i go why'd you start laughing when she was yelling at you and he goes well i was thinking he said it just it just dawned on me when she was screaming at me that you know on the street i'd have chopped her head off throwing her head in the trunk of my car and driven around for a week he said until it started smelling he said but i'm in prison and there's nothing i can do and And I just, I don't know why it just struck me as funny. And I was like, like, oh, my God.

Like I wasn't toughened up to these guys and who I was around and their behavior. And, but that, you know, but you're right. He was, if you didn't know, if you met him on the street, he was a sweet, nice old man. Like you'd want to know his yard, help him with his groceries. And, but the truth is, is he was a vicious, vicious, vicious, diabolical. killer. Yeah. I don't get to use diabolical a lot.

I believe that this warranted it. So here's a good question that can go for both you guys, right? And I know Tom is probably experienced some. I know I have and Matt, I'm not sure about you. But like, how do you go about vetting? And I think this would probably become more of an issue with the mob people. But do you vet the stories that people send you, Matt, at all? of course i i order a freedom of information act on everyone i do a deep dive i speak with

their attorneys i call the u.s attorney district attorney i speak with uh multiple no i don't vet anybody like i'm like send me an article bro okay that's what i'm at least like some articles or something all right i'll give you i'll give you i'll give you what i know a photograph far from far from perfect i think matt mad told me when i when i met him his criteria for his guests are the mirror test. I don't have you ever heard. You hold it up to the mouth. If it fogs up, you're in. I'm doing four podcasts a week. The bar is low. True. That was the point is like you don't have a lot of time. Like you don't have a lot of time. So what I do is I'll ask for press. Um, I'll give an example. I'll put the name to Google. I won't look at the search.

I look at the Google news. I look at the Apple news. I'll try to find like valuable third party stories i'll check out of their podcast what they did i'll take it with a grain of salt but then what i try to do and it doesn't always happen i try to have an open forum right those say wade comes on and says a whole bunch of things right if there's somebody reputable not keywords reputable and has paperwork or something that is against what you say they're welcome come on they don't have to be as notable they don't be famous and i i get to we push back and everybody else i give an open forum, a lot of people don't take me on that. And I get the idea, well, I'm not, I don't want to talk about my story. I don't want to be public. Well, I offer, I'll, I'll blur

out your face. I'll blur at your voice. If you want me to read something, and I won't even say your name, and a lot of people don't take me up on it. So a lot of people say to me and push back on some of my guests, but I always have an open forum. And the other part is, I'm like, Joe Rogan says this too. I'm not the I gotcha guy. I'm not looking to have you come on and pinch uniformer and pounce on you you kind of touched on this earlier if you're that guy good luck getting guests right right well that's something brett's had a problem brett johnson has had multiple guests on and then pulled out their paperwork and suddenly going in on them and he's like well you know if their paperwork's right if this is right if what they're saying is

correct and i'm like so you're telling me you grab this guy's indictment and went through what the indictment said. And you're going off of what the U.S. attorney said. He's like, well, yeah, they were indicted on. I'm like, are you serious? Like, you can't do that. And I was like, you're going to have a problem. At some point, you're going to have a problem getting guests. So I

wouldn't probably do that. And I'll tell you something. Here's what bothers me about that that, you know, going about it that way. And obviously, you know, Brett Johnson again run his channel however he wants. But here's what my issue with this is is that I was indicted for you know and you know there's so many things like I never talk about

but I think I might have mentioned this before I was actually indicted in Nashville Tennessee on a gun charge oh well so when I was when my house was raided we'd had like uh we'd had my girlfriend when we first met you know we lived in a shitty area right because I owned all the houses right like I own the house next to me I don't across the street the houses for houses on this street like so i'm living there because it's easy for me to walk out the front door and go you know i have a security system like i'm not really worried about getting robbed but we end up getting robbed and so well she ends up moving in and she says she comes home with the gun now granted i'm on the run and i but i'm also a convicted felon but and i just remember saying

eh i feel like if we get robbed we're never going to get to that gun and we're about a better better chance of being shot with the gun i was like and honestly if somebody somebody broke in here i don't think we're going to be here and i'd rather they just give them the money and get out like i'm not going to get into a shootout with with my girlfriend and her and her like you know her five-year-old son is in there like it's like hey you know take this stuff and go now that actually happens anybody who's ever read my book or heard my whole story like there's actually there is a home invasion these guys get the drop on us what's so funny about that is she was always saying oh somebody comes in here like she was a military she was in the military she's like somebody comes in here

trust me i'll execute them and so we end up getting robbed we get to have a home invasion she doesn't get to the gun they steal a bunch of money they steal the gun they steal her car like it's none of it's worked out they take our phones you know they're leave like and i remember i was like you know what happened to get into the gun like what soldier like i thought you were to execute these guys i was going to say i'd have to give anything to heard that conversation oh so when i get arrested like a few days later i end up getting arrested they go in the house they take everything they find a receipt for the gun now keep in mind when she bought the gun i said she's like do you want to go to the gun range i said no i'm not

interested she i said in fact i said if you're going to have that gun you need to have a childproof like safe because your son gets into everything so she goes out and she buys a safe i don't even know the combination i've never touched the gun i didn't know she was going to buy the gun he was in a safe i didn't have access to i get indicted for the gun now what ends up happening is because they had a receipt in her name so here's what happens this i got charged with what's called constructive possession the elements of constructive possession are I had to instruct someone to purchase a gun that I would have access to or I would have on my person. So here's, imagine how, so how did I get indicted?

That means a U.S. attorney went into a grand jury and said, we know Mr. Cox is guilty of this crime because he instructed his girlfriend to get the gun. She never told them that. She told them he never touched the gun. He didn't know I was getting done. he didn't have access to the gun. So they said he instructed her to get the gun. He had access to the gun. He had the gun.

And he planned on using that gun and having it in his possession. So they blatantly lied to a grand jury to get me indicted. Now, luckily, when I found out that I was charged with it, I said, I'll go to trial. I'm not going to plead guilty to a gun that I never had. I never touched. I didn't have access to. My lawyer was like, Matt, what does it matter? it's only five years or I think it's three years she was it was only three years they're going to run it

concurrent it doesn't add any and I was like it doesn't matter I don't want to have a gun charge I'm not gonna I will not admit to anything I didn't do I'll tell you everything I did so she they end up dropping the charge because I said I said look all I got to do is put Amanda on the stand she's going to explain what happened I beat that case she goes back talks to the US attorney US attorney says all right forget it like like you don't already have me on enough shit right oh So knowing that, I have a real problem with anybody who says, oh, well, I read the indictment. Well, guess what? That indictment don't mean shit because they don't get up and lie their asses off to a grand jury and get you indicted for stuff that you did not do.

And you're not like your defense isn't even allowed in for the grand jury hearing. No. Yeah, like it's just the prosecutor or DA or whatever. But it's not like the prosecutor said where we want to charge him with that yesterday. they have to prove elements of the crime they have to say we know this because of this like we spoke with his girlfriend she admitted he told her to get the gun why he told like they had to say all that she never told him that she told him the opposite that's that old saying they say uh you can die at a ham sandwich because it would take a whole lot because they're only here in one side of it

i remember asking my lawyer like it was like a year into my situation i wasn't even indicted yet And then I was just like, this is odd. Like I'm still not even indicted. And finally, like, I don't even know when it actually happened, but I talked to him. I'm like, you know, I can't believe I still have been indicted. He's like, oh, yeah, you've been indicted. I'm like, you didn't tell me. And he's like, it doesn't matter.

He's like, that doesn't indict anybody. He's like, I said, I'm not even allowed in there. He said, I figured you were to get indicted. I'm like, well, I don't at least wanted to know. I don't really know what difference made. But yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's, it's really unfair. And I think if anybody does come back where a grand jury chooses to not indict, your case has really got to be absolute shit yeah yeah it's just so stacked against you that you're

going to get indicted yeah but i was going to say but at what as far as vetting is concerned like i'll have them send me something listen i've had guys who they send me so much overwhelming stuff i'm like they're bro bro like i get it you sold some drugs yeah we're going to talk about you getting sold some drugs you went to jail for three years like i don't need the whole case issue i think it's probably more of an issue when it comes to like people that were involved in in the mob and stuff like that top i'm sure you probably seen the guest that um stacks had on not too long ago oh guy tato jaccelano yeah guy whatever the hell his name was and i mean like i'll be honest with you it doesn't look good like they do really kind of done a number on them yeah um but i mean to me at that point like if i'm stacks i really got to do just a little bit of research and you'll kind of find out that

Maybe it's not all fitting together. My sister lives in Fort Lauderdale with somebody from that family and knows them really well. And I would never, you know, hey, was this true or not true? But like, if going to my head, just hey, call my sister, say, hey, can you ask me if you even knows this kid is? Is this kid really your cousin? The short answer would have been no. So something that could be easily found out like Paul Castellano didn't even have a brother's kind of. that's the that's that's that's that's the rope you know he's claiming that his uncle or what uncle is paul castellano

that his dad was paul castellano's brother yeah but he didn't have a sister yeah paul castellano was the guy that was taken out in front of spark steakhouse also also he would have had her when he was like 60 yeah yeah very very old there so i don't know what's the benefit for someone doing something like that i wonder it's like you know you could have fraud but it's like media fraud like they get excited over getting over on people and they get like the recognition that they never would have gotten otherwise and to be you know especially with guys that like that is kind of I think Jeff kind of takes those kind of things personal yeah because that's that's what he's about so I'm not faulting him for he is that I got you guy yeah he you know

kind of prides himself on um but i mean like it's only going to go so far like you're not going to be able to do that but you know once or twice and as soon as somebody new comes on a scene they're going to they're going to dig into you like i just dropped an interview with uh joe colombo's grandson oh yes yes and you know i was at their home and i've done that in their basement so like this is very yeah it because i'm sitting right next to his father as we're doing it and then obviously we're in joe colombo's old house you know up in a of in upstate New York. So and obviously we didn't get into anything really mob.

You know, I talked to him about his family legacy and, you know, how he kind of, you know, walk with that, so to speak, but, you know, when you lie like that, like this guy was doing about how he was a made member and couldn't tell you which part and all that. Like that just, I don't know, that doesn't pass the sniff test. And, you know, like I said, it's a big deal in what we do. And I think to an extent everybody may exaggerate a little bit, you know, it's that Jordan Belfort, uh, kind of thing.

Like Tommy Chong said, everything's got to be the most of. You know, if you got drunk, it was the most drunk you'd ever been. Or if you're arriving fast, it was the fastest you'd ever been. I think to an extent everybody might embellish a little bit, but some of them guys just take it to a whole other level. Um, so there was a guy recently that went on, uh, Ron English's show. Yeah. I, now here's what's interesting.

What was his name? I'm looking him up right now. I can't find his name. I can't. You're talking about the guy that was supposed to be in Whitey Bulger's gang? Yes. Y'all were talking about that. And I guess apparently he'd done like multiple shows and was a total fraud.

Yeah. So Ron, let's go with real quick. I'm sorry? He may have to get down. Maybe. Well, the book came out. Oh, you got, damn he got a book? The guy.

Yeah. Wow. Oh, listen, I'll tell you the story. it's hilarious because you understand that I was like I was a friend of or I was I've been speaking with this guy so hold on a second I'll explain hold on you let me put Paul yeah yeah let him is actually at the airport waiting for a waiting for a flight so all right so we're going to Wade and I will finish it up. Thanks for having me. Check out the new theory podcast, Tom Lebeki. I'll see you both. Soon, gentlemen, and Matt, thank you so much.

Wade. Always a pleasure. Be good, guys. See you in a couple weeks. Joe. See it. So that guy, I cannot believe I can't remember his name. I literally had him.

I think we spoke about this last episode we did with Brett. Oh, did we? Okay. I can't remember the gentleman's name, but I remember they, y'all talked about it. Yeah, I can't believe. I can't remember his name. Whitey. No, I'm not going to remember it. Yeah, anyway, yeah, his whole story was fake. Like he had provided fake documents. He had fooled, uh, he listened, he fooled all kinds of people into paying him money. He got advances.

He got all kinds of stuff. Got a book deal and the book came out. Like I'm, it literally showed up on my thing when I was like, oh my god, that's the guy's book like they published the book. And see, when you see a book, you're thinking, all right, it's legit. somebody had to bet this shit you know yeah they didn't they like he he had provided a few documents and then they were like oh it's such a good story and they write it well once they once they wrote the article and it came out like the new york times or something everybody just assumed it was real yeah complete bullshit wow you imagine like but like you're you're you're forever tainted yeah like that's that's always you're oh that's the guy that was a fraud you know what i'm

saying like you know that's that's always going to be your thing you're always going to be like what's that yeah well i mean i don't think he cares like the guy's a total drunk yeah like he's been in it first of all he had said listen there's whole podcast that are dedicated this guy and i mean they're like where they've done podcast after podcast and they're hilarious i forget the name of the podcast that that did it i've seen podcasts that that is their only i guess objective and their only videos is to poke holes in other people's podcasts and stories and they'll post like a clip of what they say and then freeze frame it and put up you know everything that contradicts it i mean they put a lot of work into it like it's

you know to you know expose these people what you know that there's a podcast called who are these podcasters i've heard of that yeah i just i just did an interview with the guy you guys name's carl um i forget his last thing but i just did a whole like two our hour and 45 minutes with him about all these podcasts that he calls out and what they do and it's hilarious hey everybody i really appreciate you guys watching do me a favor in the description box i'm going to leave the link to tom's channel i'm also going to leave the link to wade's channel and i really appreciate you guys watching uh both of these guys have well tom has a business slash you know kind of an interview style channel he interviews a lot

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I got rid of it. I was like, I thought you were talking to him. I'm sorry. Well, not for them. Oh, but recording it restarted it. Okay. All right. So, um, and I'm sure Colby will edit all this out.

So, um, or edit out whatever. To be honest, I don't think so. Actually, now they think about it. Colby leaves a lot of stuff in that I'm like, you could have, you know, he's like, ah, it's funny, you know, especially if I look like a jackass. There's a good chance that Colby leaves it in. Thank you.