Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Dark Truth Behind Nickelodeon's Hit TV Shows | DAN SCHNEIDER EXPOSED

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

The Dark Truth Behind Nickelodeon's Hit TV Shows | DAN SCHNEIDER EXPOSED

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this is multiple productions that do involve him which includes all that which includes the manna show which includes sam and cat which includes i carly if you're looking at nikolodean as a network for however many years it is dominant you know especially in the 90s where it is dominant in children's TV. You know, you've always had, so honestly, in show business or entertainment, honestly, any specific location, you've always had the idea of child protections on set or at work environment, always being lax, right? Right. So, you know, this was a bigger topic. There was a huge, like, kerfuffle about this, not specifically in Nickelodeon, but specifically about conditions for child actors. It's always been, like, every decade has always been like a couple

years. It's like, oh, my God, child actors have to go through so much. Nickelodeon was like kids TV at peak, right? So it's essentially a network where kids are making TV for kids, right? Disney Channel, you always have this slightly overarching kind of feeling of like, well, the executives are kind of in charge, always felt that the kids were running the madhouse in Nickelodeon, at least that was how it was kind of presented, like they really got it so you know during the 90s you have shows like all that uh kin nekel um i don't know that specifically kinakil was the same producer but all that Amanda show uh Drake and Josh i Carly that also bleeding in the early 2000s um that are very indicative of children's tv

and which influences children's TV for decades later and there was a producer on there named dan schneider right dan schneider used to be a writer on head of the class, you know, it was a significant writer there. And the success of that, being being on head of the class and being an actor on there and the success of that, led him to being hired as a writer and eventually executive producer and producer on shows for Nickelodeon. I think the chief thing is specifically when thinking about this documentary is like, it's not that the environment wasn't built to be conducive for kids or for workers it's that every protection that was there that was specifically supposed to be put in there was bypassed or

ignored right and i think you see that across you know like it's like we always like to say like especially after the documentary like oh my god like Hollywood is this cesspool of like villainy and scum which you know fine but like that's everywhere and you can see it in throughout history with like uh you know whether it's meat packing industries or any place where even recently when kids were found to be working in meatpacking industries a few months ago um that child labor laws are not like especially included and that can horribly traumatize children especially when they're being put on camera to an audience of tens of thousands of people during their early formative years and they're abused in a work environment and their careers are kind of fucked

with over a large period of time. So Dan Schneider is the executive producer on all that. He does really, really well, right? All that is like Saturday Night Live for kids. He builds an apparatus on that show and a cadence on that show that is very, very kid friendly. And he has stars like Keenan Thompson, Kel Mitchell, but Lori Beth, Denver. There's a lot of lot of really well-known people that come out of all that. However, on all that, there are significant, there are multiple jokes over time that start to be seeing this like, oh, this is actually kind of an adult joke put in a kid's context, right? So like, for example, one of the things that documentary talks about is this skit called nose boy, where this kid has these two

giant noses on his shoulders and the noses kind of look like dicks like it's supposed to be a nose you can see a nose but they they kind of look like dicks right you have the kid pretty much in front of like in this executive you know like like for this for the skit and he goes like like acho and then a bunch of snot flies on this woman's face in the in the in the room supposed to be look like a cum shot joke right um now listen if it's not meant to be a cum shot job like that there's other jokes that are a little bit more explicit than that but like that's pretty much towing the line but like even if it isn't on a network like that that needs to be checked like usually that wouldn't the fact that it went through so easily is kind of absurd you know and that's not the only thing

there's a lot of other allegations like for example there are a lot of uh should i was also said to play favorites on set like he would be like oh you're a great cast member we're going to put you into this and do that and and and make things happen and then when you found another cast member he liked he would he would like forget this one and their career would be fucked and they would in the case of Amanda Binds there's a female cast member on all that who was doing really really well and she had this show that was kind of being made around her and then Schneider found Amanda Binds and now that's the Amanda show and that's how you got that um there was a also allegations on set, especially in all that, of treatment towards black actors. Black and

brown actors were said to approach Schneider with frustrations about being on set and the way that was being handled. And, you know, every time that was approached to Schneider, he would, they would know what you're seeing as like making trouble, being problematic. One specific one specific actor, his mom was very, very uncomfortable with some of the ways he was, he was being used in sketches like for example um the first time he appears on screen uh he's kind of like it's it's a it's a joke like he's like selling girl girl scout cookies but it looks like he's like a crack dealer selling that it's like not appropriate for children's television so you know she expressed frustration with that for like two seasons and she was and he was not

brought back for the third season um largely because of his mother now like all of these allegations just kind of keep piling up over Snyder over the years, right? And Snyder keeps silencing them over those years. And it's not just with children specifically, like the entire work environment is fucked. The writer's room for the Amanda show has two female riders. And they're told to show to share a salary, you know, for this one writer's spot. Now, like, when I heard that in the documentary, I'm like, that's kind of insane. Why would you make, what, two women have to share the same salary?

I checked in with the Director's Hill of America. That is actually quite normal when writers are hired and they're starting out. They hire it as a writer's team, you know? So that is technically normal, but they were the only two female writers who were hired on. Like, that's what the documentary claims in that team format. Also, they were consistently put into a pretty, like, fucked up environment where one of the biggest examples is one of the main writers, Um, she, she ended up becoming somebody who, like, as an executive producer on Modern Family and a writer on Modern Family. But she is, she was telling Dan a story. And Dan midway through the story is like, hey, can you just leave a story? A story about her in high school.

And Dan tells her like, hey, can you lean over the chair like you're being sodomized and continue to tell me that story? Which is a weird fuck, yeah, a weird fucking thing to do in the middle of a writer's room meeting. Right. you know um i mean like it's an odd guy did it didn't he also say something wasn't there something where they suddenly they wanted to have kids send in pictures of their feet or something like that like when that one of the skits i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't necessarily know about that i don't that wasn't included in the document i think the other thing you have to also recognize about the doc is like the story about dan schneider's been building up for a while right

and you have you have egregious stuff in there already and so the issue that comes to pass is because you live in the age of the internet where all of these things can get wrapped up and attributed to this when it's already bad as it is right and when misinformation gets wrapped up in there it's hard to discern what's real and what's fake i don't know about the feat thing for kids i do know that there were skits on like um there was a show he had called sam and cat with ariana grande um and there's like these online episodes that he would put up of like just extra things and you know there's one thing where ariana grande is like uh have you ever had to try to get a juice from a potato right which is an absurd joke that you would see on a Nickelodeon kind of thing like here's something that doesn't really make sense but it's absurd but the image you get with Ariana Grande squeezing a potato right she is clearly underage looks super fucking suggestive and weird right right Right. You know, and again, like the nefariousness of this is that all of it can be explained away by this is just absurdist kid humor, right? Which some of it is. But a lot of it, when it's put on a network, especially in the early 2000s, like a network should have called something on that.

Well, I mean, is it being brought to his attention that, hey, that seemed inappropriate? Or is he just got such clout that nobody even. suggest bring it to his attention or that he just he just he just we're jumping ahead here a little bit oh sorry schneider no no it's all good it's all good Schneider does respond to that and he does say like hey um nobody brought this to my attention there was a bunch of people on set why wasn't it brought to my attention um in his in his apology um that's not true like the documentary multiple times makes clear that parents that other people in charge did bring it to schneider's attention and every time it was brought to his attention Schneider was not great to work with at the time

he was incredibly aggressive he was incredibly like my way or the highway fuck off if you don't like it right um you know like for example in the writer's room there was examples of like schneider would uh you know like send emails or text messages

over AIM which I guess was a workplace thing at the time and and send shit like like hey yell out like like this random phrase in in the office you know just to prank people and sometimes it was like things like uh why he'll say i'll give you $40 if he i told one writer i'll give you like $300 if you eat this whole thing of ice cream right and she's like oh i'll do that like i'll eat this like two pint of ice cream in like 30 minutes and then later on he did again he asked again for like another prank similar to that he's like i'll give you hundred dollars if you do this and she's like oh can i add that to my tab and he took her aside and he gave

her this whole dressing down i'm like don't you ever talk like that to me don't say that i'm not good at my bets don't so he's like a little bit of a sensitive like assholeish producer type right right you know and um like again yeah like that's what i'm trying to say is like this was brought up to him multiple times and the chain of command that should be in place to make sure these kids are okay to make sure this environment is safe to work in, to make sure that nobody is getting abused, was not enforced in a way that was conducive to everybody being okay.

Now, this is also not every single Nickelodeon show. This is also not every single Dan Schneider's show. But this is multiple productions that do involve him, which includes all that, which includes the Amanda show, which includes Sam and Cat, which includes Icarly, right? That being said, Drake and Josh, both Drake and Josh, had decent experiences with Dan neither drake which i'll get into in a little bit uh is one of the biggest subjects for the documentary

because of the abuse that he and go this is going up on youtube right i'm like like i have to talk very carefully about it just so you guys don't get demonetized and everything yeah yeah this is youtube yeah so so like even even me you haven't talked so there is there is allegations that drake bell suffered as well under another actor on set called bryan pack right um Drake was the star of Drake and Josh was also on the Amanda show, right? Drake is this kid who is found and he makes his debut in the Amanda show as well as Josh Pack, right? And so at the time, you know, on all that and on the Amanda show a little bit, there's a guy named Brian Peck, right? Who's a dialogue coach.

He's been in the industry for quite a while. You can find videos with him with, you know, Caprio kind of helping him with stuff and them all being chummy, chummy. He's a growing up in pains, I think. super well known talent in the industry and so he plays pickle guy on all that which is a guy who just eats a bunch of pickles and shit

so pretty much Brian Peck is really really friendly with Drake and Drake's dad is kind of his manager at the time and he's like hey you know why don't you guys come over I will which is always the best first time like like what is it

why don't you guys come over I will chat with like we'll work on acting and everything like that which is a little bit of an innocuous thing like hey actor help an actor um i'll do some dialogue with drake and make him look a better after so uh drake's dad takes drake over right they have a pretty good first session all as well Drake uh Drake ends up what is it they go bath they have a few sessions and then over time Drake's dad starts to notice that man Brian is like really like getting close to Drake like hanging around a little to it's weird right it's a little bit weird and so um he notes it to some of the other

parents the parents are like he's normal and like it should be noted that like peck is like a big thing to remember through the story is that peck like again when we're talking about like the oh the Hollywood like secrecy like adrenaline chroma like that's no like this is somebody who the thing that makes nefarious people very nefarious is that they are charming They're really, really, like, chill with everybody else. And the people they abuse, like, are hidden well. So, like, when crazy stuff like this happens, you have to understand that they are intelligent con men who are doing this.

So he had a large amount of the cast food. He was very friendly with everybody. He was very friendly with the industry executives. A lot of them, like, a lot of them are seen as like, oh, he's a normal gay guy who's just having some stuff, right? so essentially um peck starts hanging around drake a little bit more uh uh drake's dad is like dude like it's it's it's a lot and he tells parents and parents are like well brian's normal right well brian's fine and so um i'll also know the story later that that happened here this time

but essentially as that goes on peck like then notices it and then starts just try to separate Drake from his dad. So during dialogue sessions and Drake's dad stays away from set because he's like, okay, I'm deemed to be like a problem or whatever like that. I'm messing up the vibe of the set. Peck goes up to Drake and starts putting in his ear like, hey, your dad's trying to steal your money, you're not doing this, he's preventing you from opportunities, there are all these issues happening. And all of a sudden, through that kind of like worm in your ear, Drake's relationship with his dad starts to erode little by little by little by little by little right drake's dad and his mom were divorced at the time and at one point

drake is staying over with his mom and his mom calls his dad and it's like hey drake doesn't want you to be his manager anymore drink's dad is upset but it's like you know if that's what he wants that's what he wants right and peck essentially takes over that role right because drake's mom is in orange county and drake's mom doesn't want to drive him up to Nickelodeon to do all the stuff But in while Drake's career is exploding, him and Josh, Josh, have a really good, like, kind of rapport with each other and they're set up to possibly do a spinoff because Dan really likes them on that. And so Brian Pack is like, hey, you know what? If your mom's not going to drive you, I'll drive you up to L.A. You can come, you can stay over here, we can work on dialogue together, and then, you know, you can go do your networking, whatever else you have to do, right?

at this point drake's dad is not in the picture for that manager portion of it well when drake starts to stay over at brian peck's house within the first night some stuff happens and drake is like what the what the what the fuck he wakes up and some stuff is happening is that what the fuck is going on is it oh my god i'm sorry da da da and then it happens over and over and over again for months on end for a long fucking time with this kid being abused, right? And the most, like, if you read the court transcripts, the On July 18th, get exciting. This is big! For the summer's biggest adventure. I think I just smurf my pants.

That's a little too excited. Sorry. Smurfs. Only date is July 18th. Dr. Boney doesn't have him say it out loud because it's pretty horrific. There's some horrific shit that happens.

Like horrific, which I can't describe. doesn't tell anybody or how are you going to tell somebody you're a 14 year old kid you have no way to drive keep in mind it's also the early 2000s in the early 2000s if anybody says they are abused the contrition is you want attention right like like Harvey Weinstein's abusers didn't just start in 2016 there was a long period of time where people let said stuff right like and you know it's not great like he had

he didn't say anything because again he's 14 he doesn't want all keep in mind also Brian Beck is a beloved person amongst everyone right he's his manager too so he's what he might hurt his career he doesn't want to say anything is he

you exactly get it he's his manager he's locked into so many significant compromises if he fucks up this relationship Also, how's it going to get to LA's? Mom doesn't want to drive him. This is like, it's a textbook case of a minor in a situation they do not want to be in with someone in a position of somewhat power who exerts way more influence than they should and ends up hurting and damaging this person in a way that is insane and unwarranted. And so it's a perfect storm of that. And this guy built it.

you have to understand like peck built that whole situation up by separating drake and his dad by doing all of this stuff right and you know uh there are like like overtime it just got worse and worse and worse and finally drake is over at his uh at his girlfriend's house well his his girlfriend at the time's house and um peck keeps calling the phone of his uh his girlfriend at the time's house and um peck keeps calling the phone of his girlfriend's mom and like Drake is like I don't want to talk to her talk to him and he's like he just keeps calling like hey we're supposed to go to Disneyland blah blah and essentially Drake's like Drake's like Drake's girlfriend's mom at the time is like hey can I talk to you and he's like why is this man calling you so much and Drake is like ah you know he's just mad about something's like no

somebody doesn't call a 14 year old boy this much incessantly at his girlfriend's house so Drake tells her Drake tells his mom I think they set up

something and Peck is like he confronts Peck with the phone on a recorded line it is immediate how much it comes to light right like Peck just confesses pretty much on there and then that starts the dominoes of like oh this kid was abused and again the lawsuit that stems

from that this documentary is the first documentary that made it a parent of that drake bell was the one who suffered under all of that stuff it was essentially a like a kid who was unnamed who was suffering over all of that and the the other side of it is like oh like during the documentary which is we'll get back to schneider is like well they asked like who was the most helpful during this time and schneider was actually quite helpful to bell during this time right he was there he was supportive of him he was he was he was he was there for him he was he was he did everything he could to try to help him out now that doesn't excuse all of schneider's other problems right but that's kind of what i'm trying to say is that well he's he's helpful with another abuser he's not

helpful with himself i mean he's you know he gets to act like the the hero you know like i can't believe he would do that. I can't believe that's the, you know, which paints him in a very good light. But I don't want to, that's true. But I do think that there is, there's, and the documentary, I think one thing that is successful about the documentary is it does paint nuance here. And in the sense that, like, you can have a person who does feel insane sympathy towards Drake Bell and feels absolutely like this is horrific. Well, at the same time, ignoring his own abuses, because they're not to this extent. right if i can give you an example that's not necessarily for the documentary like for example um my father's an

alcoholic and growing up i was like oh my god you see these images of an alcoholic on tv they're beating their their their wives and they're horrible and blah and every time when i would bring up like this is an abusive situation it would be like well it's not like that they're not throwing broken beer bottles at me they're just driving in the car with a bottle of wine under their front seat that's not insane but it is insane and you have to understand that like the biggest criticism this documentary makes is about power structures and the fact that schneider is in a position of power he starts he does head of the class he builds up all that there are plenty of people who have experiences with schneider at niccolonian that are incredible he made their career he was super

helpful for them but there are equally as many people if not more who had horrendous experiences with him who were abused and it's important to remember that because it means that anybody is a target of this even you everybody can be a target of bad behavior and if you are not aware of it if you have like a friend who's just like oh he's cool with me and somebody else says like dude like he beat me up in a parking lot because I said night like just weird shit you need to at least entertain the idea that that could be possible to hold them accountable for it now it doesn't mean a hundred percent it happened but it does mean that you have to entertain the idea and the thing is multiple people gave the opportunity for them to entertain the idea that hey maybe dan is not all together there when it comes

to being a good boss and somebody conducive of a work environment that is appropriate for children and for other people working in this environment. And even when that was brought up, it was silenced. It was shuffled another right or there being a problem. Part of that is Nickelodeon. Part of that is also the environment in the early 2000s and the way we treated allegations of workplace misconduct. There was a huge issue with that for a long time,

which came to light in the Me Too movement. But this is something that does happen. So Schneider is, I think Schneider is being honest because Drake Bell still holds that even in interviews that he did after the documentary dropped that, hey, Schneider was very, very helpful to him. But he can't speak

to other things that happened with other people. That is probably true. And I think that's important also, a big part of it, is that when Drake Bell does go to the lawsuit with Peckver and the accuser there,

he's the accuser, with Peckver, There are like 40 to 50 actors on Peck's side who have written letters to the judge attesting for Peck's character, which obviously is fucking devastating to an abuse victim who's like, hey, I'm saying I'm being abused. And there are all these famous actors in the industry, including Wolfredel, including, you know, Alan Thick, right, including, you know, I think it was Matt Lawrence, but like a bunch of actors who are super well known, you know, supporting peck and i think james marsden um and you know like the the biggest conversation that's going on right now around that is that like well were the actors aware of how horrific what was going on to bell was were they in denial of it were they were they just trying to protect peck for many for many problems um there is there is discrepancy on a few of those a few of those a few of Those actors are catching a lot of backlash, specifically James Morrison is catching a lot of backlash.

Wilfredel, who was the voice of Terry McGinnis in Batman and Beyond, and also the brother on Boy Meets World, has said that he, too, was in a way, abused or manipulated by Peck. Peck kind of said to a lot of people, like, oh, there was just a guy who I was really into when he's underage. And again, in the early 2000s, there was a lot of those kind of, like, weird media things. going on there were like a lot of movies made about like oh well you're like seven like so he portrayed it in this like innocent situation when it was a horrific abusive situation either way it's not okay right um because either way it's a grooming situation um but you know there's a lot of discrepancy going on like specifically in the internet and chatter about about that although a lot of people are disgusted but yeah i mean like a lot of this is the power structure that is in there

was not conducive to helping kids also in the aftermath of this like FYI um just to keep on the on the day of schneider thing and to go back to it uh schneider on schneider sets there were two there were two other instances of kids being abused and getting into that position right you know which to be fair schneider did not immediately know about schneider didn't know like nobody like it was found out through the police and everything like that but the environment was created so that there wasn't enough checks and balances for those kids to be protected from this kind of behavior, right? And, you know, as time went on, Schneider became more and more controlling, more and more abusive.

More and more people started to step out and be like, hey, Schneider, you're being kind of an asshole, right? The Salmon cat thing was later on in his Nickelodeon career. Eventually, Nickelodeon fire Schneider after, I think somebody files a complaint of during the Me Too movement. they fire Snyder after an investigation. Schneider admits it out like, oh, well, I'm going off to do other big things. No, you wouldn't be dismissed as the golden boy, right? And then for years after, people start to reexamine some of the skits and some of the things there and realized that there are more and more issues that have come out over time of his abuse of behavior.

Now, there's an apology he released online. I'm sorry I'm giving you like a giant monologue essentially no it's great it's trust me I'm more than happy to sit here and just go right uh-huh yeah this is this is the easiest this is why I love this job it's the easiest job in the world I just have to sit here and listen to the store you know what yeah that's crazy yeah and you know it's funny I mean there were times I wanted to break in but you are on a role like i was thinking about the um ashton kutcher and uh his wife um going to um is it danny mastersons sentencing where they wrote a letter for him you know he's such a good person he's such a good you know and people you know so it's like you're you're a victim of this

guy and you've got these big time actors saying no he's a good person he's you remember that and they hit they absolutely remember that and it's something i covered too on my show and i think like dude it's such a weird thing because like 100% like it's not a good there's so many places in society where we just fail people right and absolutely you have you have ever right to be like man why the fuck are you protecting Danny Masterson right but i think the way you heal that situation again maybe that's just like my male brain thinking of like oh well you can empathize but how do you fix this so it doesn't happen again right um like and i say that because you know people you're supposed to empathize first right uh i'm being an idiot about it so but i'm trying to say like the way

you fix this situation is you have to understand that this is a deeper systemic problem that people are caught up and these are all pawns in a systemic problem the predator in the situation danny masters should never been put under the positions he was put into right okay but predators are common they are very good at weaving themselves into situations where people feel uncomfortable and scared and you don't know right that doesn't mean you You shouldn't be, you should be, like, terrified all the time, but you should be aware that, you know, if somebody brings to you a concern, you should at least look into the concern even a little bit. Even if it seems absurd, just look into it, right? And if you do the due diligence and you find something there, hey, that's fucked up.

I will say also in the Cuchre and Cunas situation, I think it's a little bit different from PEC. because the difference is Kutru and Kuna's new pack, no, no, new Masterson, was what had done horrific things, right, possibly, right? And was found guilty of them. They were trying to get a more lenient, like, thing about custody with his daughter, specifically, right? Because he had a daughter at the time, and they didn't want to fracture that relationship. which I think is a little bit different from like trying to like if I'm wrong when I'm wrong but that's what I what I remember about that about that story specifically right um

which I think is a little bit different from these people trying to say that oh actually let pack off for what he did to oh to yeah they're trying to mitigate his situation yeah both of them are done trying to mitigate a sentence I think when somebody writes I think whenever somebody is found guilty of a crime right like if it's especially when you're in the public eye that much right like let's say we're being cynical and saying that celebrities are all vain assholes who like always want to protect their own brand right from any specific PR standpoint you're going to protect your brand you're not going to write a letter right you'd be specific and selfish and assholeish if you view celebrities is flawed people who are put in a crazy position who can be vain and assholeish but are just

genuinely just normal people who are also scared as fuck like all of us right it makes more sense somebody trying to write a letter to because this is all I know of this relationship I want to try to help them still not great because this person abused all of these people right but then you start to get to the heart of why this kind of abuse perpetuates so much is because we we only see the people we know as the people we know not the other kinds of people they can be right and i think that you know even people like like you're past about we don't we're not all perfect human beings we've done things that are bad and i think a big part about existing in society that we existed in 2024 is understanding that you have to look at your past actions with more critical lens because we were living

in a society that didn't take that shit seriously and when you make adjustments to that in order to make sure that the people around you and the people that you are working with or are working for you are protected, you know, then you get to a place where that kind of behavior is called out immediately. Those kind of people aren't hurt. Those kind of letters aren't written. But that doesn't happen until you can assess and diagnose the problem, which is the fact that we are all very biased in our interpretation of what abuse is. And we have to be better at calling it out. and so when you're talking about somebody like Schneider or Peck or the two people that were found out right there are multiple like like like like I said multiple checks for example Peck um invited a bunch of kids and their parents over to his house for dinner one time because like they were cast and one of the cast members remember remembers being in Peck's house and going to this one weird room where you had this picture of a clown and they looked on the back and it was like a self portrait of John Wayne Gacy, which John Wayne Gacy had sent to Peck as a personal pen pal or friend.

And that's fucking weird, man. Like, you don't, like, post a odd pin, uh, an odd, uh, pin pal to have. Very odd pen pal to have. Especially since there was like, was there 25 or 26 bodies found under John Wayne Casey's house, a boy, young boys, young boy, not just anybody. young boys bro there's that and then like but again like i when watching this thing i i really want to make it clear like i'm not trying to absolve hollywood they're absolutely guilty in this regard but like just in terms of pop culture junk do you remember by any chance when like it was years

after the manson family murders right but around like the early 2000s the late 90s there was this weird like fascination with like gothic people like charles manson where they were like, oh, it's kind of cool and kitchy to have, like, like to talk about Charles Manson and how crazy he was, like, because he wasn't a drag of society. And like, that's like, I think like this guy's like, like fucking thought process. But that's not normal, man. Like, it's not normal to normalize a person who found 27 dead bodies

under his house. Like, it's fucking weird. And like people wearing Che Guevara shirts. Well, I mean, like, I, yeah. I mean, no offense. If you really look into it, you know, he murdered, you know, tons of people. He was a vicious human being. But I mean, there's tons of different like, I mean, you're good, but I think there's tons of different people in history or just in general where you, they're idolized years after, whether positively or negatively, right, who like, there are, there are signs where you're like, okay.

this is this is there's a lot more complexity to this right and i think specifically with john win gase's situation and bry and bry peck um when when when the person uh when when this this cast number comes up and sees the seeing the drawing everybody in the room is like okay well like that's kind of wild but this guy's decent so like it's just probably crazy you just probably this is this is this is an ironic thing that one little thing everybody's got one little thing that's the problem is like you know not everything is the red flag but you should be like that's kind of weird it's okay to clock that is kind of weird yeah you know you you doesn't you can still think peck is like oh you're cool man but you're kind of weird right not shake it away you know

because that little patina of something right when you start to notice his behavior around drake and other people that metastasizes and you can very easily at least confront him about it like like i'm just surprised that there was no confrontation in any way shape or form with some of these abusers except for like the parents like drake drake's dad which should have been caught you know and then also there's a lot of backlash towards drake's mom because drake's mom sent him on those rides right to pex house i do think that parents in that situation i don't think that his mom is not included in the documentary she doesn't show her face

um i don't think that she's happy with what happened i think she probably blames herself i think she feels horrific about it you know um my like i like i as as somebody else with the youtube show i always try to look at the nuance of something because that's the best way you diagnose the problem right instead of like panicking over it or shoving it away and you know um yeah i've like i've said it a few times already it's it's power structures i should also say that schneider issued apology that's what i was talking about before where he has a cast member from i carly come on and like talk to him for like 20 minutes about all the allegations the documentary and it starts out seemingly like oh he's going to admit to things and say sorry but it's so fucking scripted and like

it's just like hi i was a cast member on i carly dan we're going to talk today dan what you did in the writer's room was not cool and he's like, yeah, it was horrible da-da-da-da-da. Yeah, I'm so disappointed in you, Dan. Oh, boy, like, so actory scripted.

Like, it feels scripted, right? It feels like a puff piece where he has to admit a little bit and then they push, like, they push back. There's even a point where he goes like, no, I'm going to push back on this. Like, oh, look at me. I'm doing my due diligence.

But it gives very much that, you know, remember when woody allen where there was this there was this piece about woody allen um it was it was a few years back where it was about sun ye and about woody allen's like relationship with her and it was it was published in a in a pretty big paper and um it's supposed to be this like let's look into this and see if it's really as bad as people say it is and then within like two paragraphs like the author gives a way that he's like friends with woody allen and i'm like well then why the fuck are you the one doing

the piece. You're not going to be critical. You know? You need somebody critical to do this investor or to confront Schneider. Because honestly, if Schneider was confronted by somebody, it's not going to give the exact same answers. And he was confronted by somebody very critical of him and was like,

yo, like, you, no, but you've done all of these kind of things, right? And even if he stuck with his guns, I would respect that, I would have problems with it, but I would respect that at least a little bit more than him getting his friend over with a three fucking camera setup because you know he had to get a three camera set up

and had to hire an editor for his fucking apology video like that seems absurd to me and also like there's other allegations where he just completely shifts the blame when talking about his jokes that were inappropriate he says like oh well if they were around now cut it if somebody's not happy with the jokes

well multiple people weren't happy with the jokes you're not being accused of being noseblind or like, oh, I just didn't know this is happening. You're being accused of not knowing this happening, being told this happening and the denying that it happened, right? If you were not, that's, and that's why he looks like he knows what's going on. I believe that Schneider was a little bit with tunnel vision in my, and unknowing of how fucking abusive, he was in a bubble.

He was in his own bubble, like, I control everything, blah, blah, right? and that is a dangerous place to be in because you can abuse a lot of people i believe that what i don't agree with and i think is fucked up is that when told when somebody is peering into his bubble and being like hey man look at all the shit you're doing he was like no no no close it up close up i just want to live here you know that's the problem and until he can admit that that's an issue And I think that there are so many people with allegations against him that he has to take some accountability. I will say this also in the week since the documentary has dropped. There have been some notes from people who are involved in it who feel a little bit uneasy.

Mark Summers, for example, one of the hosts who was in the first part of one episode, he was a double dare and stuff like that. He was talking a little bit about Nickelodeon wasn't happy that he was included in this documentary because he didn't know what it was about. but yes he didn't know what it was about they just called him in to do an interview and they ambushed him with a clip of schneider's kind of weird shit on air yeah yeah and he was like what the fuck is going on here right he asked to remove from the documentary he left they used his footage anyway and so he's now pretty upset that broke it a couple days ago um but even with that

right you know like there is there is just a substantial amount of evidence and things that have come out over time that don't look well for Schneider in general right like let's let's if we take the documentary at his word it's he's clearly not okay with the stuff peck did and that kind of abuse but he does not create an environment that treats kids in a way where they can grow up he doesn't treat kids he doesn't put kids who he works with in a safe environment where they can grow up and feel like fully formed adults or or okay right you have to go through therapy after that dan schneider dan schneider like if some people will have to go through therapy after a dan schneider show and the fact that like you know you're never like if you're if you're if you're a boss

and stuff like that you're never going to be able to like help like you do your best to help everybody that's clearly not as best at making sure safety is the number one priority. If that was the number one priority, I'm sure the shows would still have been dope. There's no reason you've got to have people abused in order to get that entertainment, right? We have plenty of shows that have come out since with people who have had amazing. Like, you listen to anybody from Parks and Rec, or those are sets where everybody fucking is having a blast. There's no issues on those sets, right? And whatever issues there are are resolved in the cast.

stays in touch and everybody like that right the fact that those can exist and your sets exist and your sets are abusive there's a problem you know and it's not right and it's not the it's not the creative material well i was going to say what what was the deal with wasn't there like the voice coach guy the guy i forget you said his name um brian pack yeah i mean he he was found guilty of um yeah wasn't he found guilty and didn't he like he left and then didn't he go to like Disney or something yeah he got hired he got hired soon after you know again like this is it's one of those things where like you have to understand like again like you know it's one of those things where you and i say this because like the the the big idea is that you know oh hollywood

will hire like any predator for any reason okay let's say you take that out let's say okay we're we're making sure we're doing yeah absolutely inappropriate We're doing due diligence on every predator that comes in here and we're taking them out, right? Well, the reason Peck was hired probably because he was a friend for somebody. That's why, right? And so now you're looking at, okay, well, where you're being due diligence on predators, but people who are friends and nepotistic can get it. And that's another way a predator can get it, right?

You have to close the doors on the mechanisms these people used to manipulate other people. You're not looking for only flaws in the system. You're looking in flaws in the system that people perpetrate, right? So, yeah, he was hired on the sweet life of Zach and Cody very soon after, which was absolutely fucked, absolutely fucked. And again, this is at a time when people were not taking allegations seriously. There are still people who pine for that time who were like, why are all of these people coming out of the woodworks and talking about this?

I will say there is, we do have a culture which is very, which is very, much so like living off of like hey let me get the tea on somebody and what horrible thing they've done they're all waiting for something right that is that is terrifying and that is a problem because things can get conflated that being said at least we believe people like drake bell now because in 2000s the reason he didn't come out is because who would have believed him even if he's a major star do you know what those headlines would be those headlines would have been like Drake Bell accusing somebody he just wants attention he wants to just up his career and because actors did do that there were people who came out and who said things happened to them and they were

said to have been trying to juice their career what is it uh Courtney Love who has our own set of problems right said at one point like she made a joke about how Harvey Weinstein was not somebody you wanted to fuck with and wanted to be around because he's a fucking terrible person and he's abused so many people. He made a joke on a red carpet about it. And people explain it away because they are bad at her about Kirk Cobain and a lot of problems that she's had, rightfully so. But she was correct in that instance

because dozens of women came out afterwards. And it was like, Harvey Weinstein is a terrible fucking monster and has destroyed this industry and metastasized a problem that needs to go away that's going to take multiple years. We're still dealing with it. You know? So, again, not to defend Hollywood,

these are structures that need to be examined and this exists everywhere if hollywood needs to change everywhere needs to change your job my job like everywhere we all have to be aware i'm sure you have a staff i have a staff we are con oh no but you work with other people right i work alone i i have colby i have colby right right but you have colby colby right and in that relationship if there needs to be mutual respect and things and boundaries put into place. I have, I have,

Kobe has no respect for me. Kobe has no respect for me. So I don't know what you're saying. I think you need to report. You clearly have never watched the show. Well, you know what? I'm glad to know about it now.

So, but I'm saying like, I'm saying like, like, you know, I have editors, right, who like when I have people, editors I work with.

I've been in positions where I have to hire people and stuff like that, you know, um, And every single time, you have to put in boundaries in place to where, even for me, like, I know I have, like, flaws. I can't, I don't want to overstep those boundaries and make those people feel like shit. Because they won't say anything because they want the fucking job. Right. So, you know, Schneider should have done that.

And Schneider should have been really aware of the people he was putting into contact with one another. Especially when you're going on a Nickelodeon, Joan, you're one of the fucking biggest. With great power comes great responsibility. fucking Spider-Man made that even more popular than in 2003 you couldn't fucking look up from your bullshit for like 10 seconds and make sure that was happening

I love that all your references are from like the early 2000s and to you that seems like a long way way like this way back in the 2000s I mean it's 20 years at this point bro like it's it's been 20 years I my early 2000 first off I am in my 30s

so like I like that was when I was like a teenager and stuff like that so you know i was born in 1969 my how are you still like are you are you an ent are you like one of those things from lord of the rings like who

you've seen all of creation four years old and you're like it was so bad in the 2000s 2000s we're about the 80s and 90s bro I'm not gonna lie 80s and 90s weren't great but I think that

the reason I say that is because like a lot of people you know it like every the rosy memory of an era is always like 10 to 20 years after it today and then people are like but was it what was it like everyone's like I remember growing up I was like oh man I missed the 90s I miss 90s I miss 90s were like the best 90s like there were no problems there were nothing and then like like five years later like hey do you remember the LA riots like did you forget that that happened you know did you forget Cote of Obama did you forget the Gulf War like we we tend to forget

like major things that happened that were big things that slipped through our lines right yeah i was just thinking um listen i remember they didn't have seat belts bro i remember driving oh my god you could ride in the back of a pickup truck we my dad had a lincoln and the behind the you know the back seat there they must have been whatever two two and a half feet on the back where the window went down in an angle and you could lay down back there. So I would lay down back there and my dad would, you know, a little kid, five years old, climb up there and lay across it and fall asleep. And my dad would hit the brakes and I'd fly forward and fall in the backseat. And he would laugh and laugh alcoholic with the cigarette. Oh my God. Yeah. Blow the smoke in my face

and make me cough. I mean, things that now people would be like, my God, take that child away from him where it, to me, it was, eh, that's, you know, my dad, my dad when I was 16, wrecked his car, came and got my car and said, like, you know, wait for the tow truck, have him take my car. I was like, yes or, yes, sir, took my car and wrecked my car. He wrecked both our cars in the same day. That sounds, that sounds like, well, again, I had also an alcoholic dad. That sounds par for the course where they're like, like, listen, I'm responsible. responsible this is a mistake i'm responsible watch me fuck up again right you have to be like oh oh

that's just too it's a coincidence right yeah and then like you know i had a friend in high school he got this great he got a like a mustang like an old like 60s Mustang right beautiful car no seat belts um looked like a look like a fucking like uh like a just just a giant shard of metal on the road right um so a couple months in him and a friend of mine don't show up to school they got in a car crash uh and it fucked them up it was horrible because there's no seatbelts there's no things and those old cars will liquefy you yeah there's no crumple zone there's no crumple zone yeah so like bro i i he was in the hospital the the the the girl with them was okay but she lost her like equilibrium she couldn't like walk straight for a little bit because

her ear it was it was fucking bad and yeah man like there's no there's no doubt that there's like that there are insane decisions that and things are much i mean like you're not gonna yeah seatbelts are definitely one thing there's also airbags there's also other collision things that are better now you know than they were in like 70s you're a much better chance of surviving an accident now than you did in the seven my god yeah i'm not i remember getting a new car and being afraid of like you know every like okay is it is it safe and everything like that and they have they have they now have like crashed you can watch the crash and like like pretty much every new car is like this is fairly

safe you know but uh you know it's it's within like one or two percent safety of each other versus you know like a nineteen seventy nine or 1960s mustang which you know you'll you'll turn into air as soon as you get it. Yeah. But now, man, that's the, that's the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the world that they lived in. And you cover this. Yeah, I mean, I covered, I covered this. I do, I do a show called Freestyle the News where, like, I wrap the news every week, and then I do a breakdown and everything like that.

And then I have another show where I break down certain subjects. And this was something that, like, I remember me and my girlfriend watching the documentary and being like, just, this is fucking crazy. and then like the next day Dan Schneider issued a response and it was so like absurd to me I was like I got to fucking talk about how ridiculous this is you know and I don't like to like I don't like to make videos about that because I don't like to monetize videos that are that are about that stuff just to make it cheap I would like to add something to the conversation in a way that makes sense in a way that's conducive and that helps people and the thing that I wanted to add is like this is a power structure problem because i worry about this shit happening i do worry about this

shit happening everywhere in addition to dan schneider's abusive kids there was also abusive his staff his staff was very very upset they were they were putting in environments they weren't great at i've worked in an abusive environment before in a really shitty space where you know the bosses are asleep at the wheel and other people in that environment abuse other people and that is not a okay like i hate that shit that shit needs to be dead it like a hundred percent and a lot of times those people all load it was like oh it's not as bad as here it's not as bad as here no it is as bad as that it is you're doing the action that is directly harming your co-workers in a way that makes work here terrible that makes their lives terrible and the money is not worth it and the drive's not

worth it so um i just i felt like that was important to point out um especially in this situation where it can very easily be shuffled the way into like, oh, Hollywood is crazy. Sure. Hollywood has a lot of problems and is also very crazy. Also, the place you work at is probably also very crazy. It needs to do better. Everybody needs to do better. Where are you

located? I'm in California. I'm in, yeah, I'm in North Hollywood. Which isn't Hollywood. Hollywood is like West Hollywood. Like when you talk about like Hollywood and like the glitz and glamour, that's like Sunset Boulevard, Culver City, like all of that i live in like van eyes like no area which is like a lot of food trucks um and a lot of

a lot of like family owned shops and everything like that but yeah that's what i'm originally from orange counter so you know that drake bell stuff hit me hard because i was just like oh man i don't know people who orange county would drive up and i went to school with a kid who um who was on all that uh while schneider was fucking um um in charge you know and like i haven't hit him up about it because that's he's probably going through a lot right now so okay um yeah i was in uh l a about two weeks ago oh right yeah where you located Tampa florida oh man well next time you're in l a hit me up we'll grab lunch or something yeah yeah um all right yeah well this was interesting yeah yeah

do you only do the youtube you have youtube and instagram i have youtube i have instagram i have tic talk um you can follow me on youtube at uh you said to bani um z a i d a b a and i just search freestyle the news um on on all platforms it's zt music z a i d t music um and i also do music for video games every so often so if you play mortal combat and you finish the game you're like oh who's that that's me i'm i'm the one rapping up you there so all right okay um yeah i'll mention it at the at the end i'll mention it uh that we'll put the links in the description oh for sure okay gotcha got yeah um okay anything else what do you think no you did go an hour by the way you're you're 56 57 58 there we go one hour yeah well no man

i'm i'm appreciative for you having me on um i just hope people hope i hope i hope it's all right And I hope people just take away from this. Just to examine their surroundings and everything like that. I think there needs just to be a lot more self-reflection in the world. So hopefully this helps people self-reflect. And hopefully they'll buy cars with seatbelts that won't liquefy them in crashes. I hope that's also another thing that take away from this. Yeah, those were, yeah, good times.

Listen, that car was massive. massive you could probably put five five bodies in the trunk the SUV no my he had like a it was like a lincoln town car or something you don't these things were they were huge huge um uh i remember one time my sister tied my dog our dog we had a wiener dog and to the bumper of the car like she was walking what what childhood did you live what is this and my dad got in the car backed out and drove down the street dragging the car. Droving about two blocks, but a neighbor jumped in his car and chased him down and stopped him.

The dog was all skinned up and fucked. I mean, listen, it had tiny little legs. It could barely walk it began with. You know what a weaver dog looks like. Oh, exactly. It didn't make it 10 feet before it was just dragging, you know. Oh, my God. It did it live?

Oh, it takes a while to get through the hair. It only went two blocks. He's fine. Poor dog, man. Oh, man. Don't drag a dog on a car. This is weird. But there was, listen, there was, um, there was a movie called vacation with Chevy Chase.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Drags the dog to where it's nothing left but the leash. Oh, God. So it wasn't that bad. But there were some, there was some good times. I just want, I just want to say, if you're, if you're comparing what happened to your dog to what happened in a movie with Chevy Chase where he's drag, like, I don't think that's a great, that's a great place to start. Oh, good times.

My dad. Yeah, man. I didn't remember I left my, you remember big wheels? Yeah. I left my big wheel out in the yard one day and someone stole it. And I came back. I was like, dad, you know, someone stole my big wheel. And he goes, huh, teach you a lesson.

I was like, can I get another big wheel? No. He's like, if you can find your old one, maybe you can get it back. I don't know, what do you want me to tell you? my dad my dad had a lot of my dad had a lot of um my dad had a lot of i a lot of proclivities like he would like he would do things that were that were he would he would never he would never be like oh it's going to teach you a lesson he would you got to puff out his chest and be like oh i'm gonna get it back and then you never go to back but like uh you know he was a he's a he

would always try to do like actually so he would do he would do wild shit like you know like there was a point where he drove on the wrong side of the road that was fucking crazy and scary right but then there's also times where he would just like you know on my on my birthday one day you know just freaking like he's taking me to school

and he's like I forgot something back at home drives me back home and it's like oh like hey we're actually skipping school today and we're just kind of hanging out and everything like that which is good you know parents parents can have vices and be tough but they can be they love you so it's a good thing yeah

Yeah, yeah. I could have skipped some of it, but, yeah. First off, first of us, both of us could have skipped some of it. Yeah. I think we're both on the same page there, you know. Yeah. You know what circus world is? Like circus, circus.

No, like circus world. There was a place called Circus World, which was in Orlando, kind of close to Disney. Remember my dad got drunk one time. Did you grow up in Florida? Yeah. I, speaking of it, not. to interrupt speaking of nick i wanted to go to florida so bad when i was watching nick as a kid because like i know the studios were in orlando and i was like oh my i gotta go to orlando

never went to florida never went to orlando um you know like uh but like that was like the i i felt like that was like the emerald city from freaking blizzard of oz or something like that but you're sorry no i was just thinking that's funny because that's very much like that that just That's what I felt like when, like I said, my dad was drunk, threw me in the car one day, said, we're going to go to circus world. We drove to circus world, but he was drunk. So, but you know, after an hour long drive, he starts to sober up. So we get a motel across some circus world.

So I'm sitting at the window. And as I remember talking about, I'm like six years old, seven years old. I can see the, I can see the big furious wheels and the rides. So you can sit there and stare at it. I stare at it all night, go to sleep, go to sleep wake up the next morning ready to go he's sobered up now realizes i just took this kid his mother's going nuts oh he goes me in the car and says we'll go next week we never win no dude bro as a seven-year-old did your dad drive slow did your dad drive slow like did your dad when he was drunk drive slow on the freeway no no he drove you know he was a he'd weave in and

out of the oh my my father drove so fucking slow and i never knew why i was like you're just an old man probably right and like he like i i remember getting driving instructor and the driving instructor like to me how to drive my dad's like no no no that's too that's too close you have to drive and i had just left like 15 car lights in front of me when i was like 20 or something like driving and eventually when he had gone to rehab and i had to talk with him i was like why do you drive so fucking slow he's like because usually on the road i was drunk so i just didn't want to like hit anybody so i would right so much space and i'm like that's i mean that's conscientious of you but also terrible in so many ways you're a conscientious drunk you're a conscientious awful person

like you're not much of a not much of a not much of a saving grace there you know he used to like uh he used to go to um like he would he would try to when he was really depressed he would drive to work not go to work go to the liquor store he took like seven or eight shots of those little like cheap drinks and then he'd get on the freeway and drive back like 45 minutes home that's insane to me that's insane to me like i had no idea how bad it was until like later on in life like i ended up having to take him to rehab and they were like this is bad Like this is really bad. I'm like, no, it's 11 out of 10, my guy. It's bad. Like, you need to understand that. And I was like, oh, okay, all right. You know, and that's what I was like, okay, this is like horrible and I have to reexamine a lot of shit, you know. Did he sober up? No, he died from it. Last year, yeah. Oh, I mean, from alcohol, like what, what, like a cirrhosis of the liver or something? No, you mean, like he had a fatty liver. He died of a heart attack. But like, every. everything in the system kind of said it was like the alcohol that led to you know because well

alcohol overall it's just bad for your whole fucking horrible and like and the thing is is that like here's the thing that was scary about that specific addiction when you have other addictions that people can get drugs anyway but like when you have what if my dad had a cocaine addiction right there's still that barrier of like this is illegal you have to find this person you have to go to alcohol is available everywhere and there are advertisements for it and there's everything and the please didn't drink responsibly doesn't hit an alcoholic's ear the same way yeah and because all of the examples on television my dad is was grew up born 1949 um his example of when an alcoholic is a guy who like hiccups all the time and all that kind of shit which eventually

he did start having hiccups where he couldn't breathe for half a second and shit but like before that he'd be like that's what a drunk looks like but a drunk is is just somebody who his eye droops a little lower you know there are there are other signs that you can see that a drunk has and so it was very hard for him to reconcile that he was he was like this and this was painful eventually like I had to cut off contact with him for a long time

and you know the last time I had talked to him before I cut off contact was he had threatened me right and he moved to Vegas with a cousin of mine who I'm not a fucking fan of he was asshole enabled a lot of shit um but like he just was blitzed out of his mind he got three d u i's in a month which is a fucking felony right yeah you had to end up in prison for that very close to ending up in prison he had to go to the judge ask for forgiveness he's a 16 year old man and so you know he ended up being okay but like you know he would go through periods or you

have to go there was when he died we found out the story where he had gone to and he had gone to rehab right and they had a break in the rehab on the break he went to go buy drinks and came back to the rehab drunk to the point they were like we he can't come back here like that's insane to me and so eventually you know like he had yeah like he would just like when when he was just it was bad and like yeah he drank himself to to death unfortunately

you know and that's the thing also like you know you're talking about your dad like you know like driving to circus world and and made slamming the back to the car i think what makes specifically you know especially why i approached into nuances because my dad was like two different people he was abusive and he did some shit that was really fucked up but he was also very kind at times and very very outgoing to be like hey he taught me a lot of good things he also taught me a lot of bad things if they were like even being critical of it like it's hard to reconcile you know Hey, the reason I can talk to you and do music and all that kind of stuff is because of my dad. And the reason I have all this fucked up shit that prevented me from doing it a little bit is also because of my dad.

Right. And having to deal with that is the biggest issue, I think, of having like an alcoholic father like that. Because it was all bad, fucking easy to be like, yo, fuck this person. I know my direction in life. The fact that it was sometimes genuinely very, very, very kind and very, very helpful and genuinely very, very scary and very detrimental to my life experience. and dangerous, that makes it very, very tough to reconcile what in your life is a positive lesson, and one in your life is a negative lesson. And it takes a lot of time to unpack all of that.

Yeah, I was going to say that my father, when he was sober, was an amazing individual. Yeah. You know, but when he was a drunk, when he was a binge drinker, he would go on a two-week bender. You know what I'm saying? He would, or it would be a month. And then he sober up for three months. Sometimes it'd be two years. You know, he'd go to rehab.

They'd take him out and he, and what's so funny is he worked for state farm insurance. Oh, shit. And he was such a good insurance manager. And he made so much money that they would put him through the rehabs. And they'd put him through a 30-day one, then a 60-day one, a 90-day one. I mean, they're expensive. Those rehabs are expensive. Some of the-he lives there.

They live there. You know what I'm saying? like it's and he didn't go to a shitty one it's state farm insurance they it's a nice place yeah yeah they're super expensive bro i think i think what's interesting to me too is like that's a hard lesson to learn especially as a kid when you grow up but that is that you can't you're not in charge of your parent so learning that is like the most difficult thing because you got to tell yourself like also like you don't have a father like a traditional father figure right growing up you're saying you you you're born out to 59 or or where 69 yeah 69

you've grown up through media seeing like traditional father figures on television you know all these kind of things even me i saw traditional father figures on television and you don't have that in your life you have this weird amalgamation of two different people who are not necessarily fitting that mold and especially with rehab like it's one of those things where they'll take money from a patient and not do it because it's a lot of it is up to the patient to like actually make the change like you can't force somebody to not drink you know and also like in my case i had you know my father's family um you know old Pakistani family some of his sisters were very like you know one of his sisters was a big enabler who was just like oh it's just not

a big like they don't want to embarrass me we would tell their his family like he has a problem and then they'd be like, oh, we'll take it seriously. And then a month later, they're like, oh, Salim's family is being a problem, you know, because they don't want to have any embarrassment come to their family, you know? And like, you know, we're on decent terms, like, whatever terms now with those guys. But like, it's one of those things where every, if you're an alcoholic, everything in the world is geared against you to just getting better. Like, it's actively trying to push you towards some, some problems and everything like that.

And I mean, like, I will say I have a, I have a pretty decent, like, I'm very wary of the relationships I form with any, not only like substances, but like food with like, you know, activities and everything like that because I'm like, oh, man, if I, if I go overboard, I don't want to be, you know, that's a little bit of a problem too because I've got to be like more like relax a little bit sometimes. But, yeah, man, it's not a, it is not an easy thing to go through rehab. and it's not a system that's set up very well to actually get people the help they need, especially when every other billboard they drive is like a Dosecchi's billboard, if there's a liquor store at the corner or something else can happen. And, you know, like, bartenders will cut you off, but people who are in liquor stores will be like, I'll give you an extra, you know? So.

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