Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Inmate Who Seduced a Corrections Officer and Escaped Jail

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

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I'm being held as a maximum security inmate. I'm sleeping with the officer when I escaped from jail. Ran to the house. I said, look, I gave her the number. He said, as soon as you say hello, they're going to run in there. By that time, it light up. It's blocked. I asked.

He said, the warden told me to give you whatever you ask. But you know what we want. I said, what do you want? Well, I was born, Springfield, Tennessee, 1997. I'm 37. I beat 38. Springfield, small town. You already know, most of them small town ain't nothing to do but get in trouble.

Growing up, we did have a skate ring. They got rid of the skate ring. We had a bowling alley. They tore that down. Built another gas station. We didn't have nothing. So it wasn't nothing to do but get in trouble in Springfield. My mom dated one of the biggest dope boys in the city.

And that right there I feel like was the beginning of our problems on top of my daddy. My daddy already gone to prison, two life sentences, two murder charges, two robberies. Yeah, him and my mom's brother, they ended up robbing a store and a lady got killed. We still don't know to this day which one of them because one's safe and the other say. Yeah. Yeah. And both of them end up with life sentences. And while they were fighting that life sentence, while they were fighting that case, another case came up.

There was a cold case that they ended up getting hit with. much the same situation. It's just all that. Went into a store, a struggle, to my dad. They both got two life sentences. I said,

my mom's dating the biggest dope boy in the city. Sorry, real quick. Do you see your dad? Do you ever talk to him? I did. Yeah, I talk to him all the time. Okay. Yeah, yeah, he got a YouTube channel.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I help him. I help him. I help him do a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I talk to him all the time, you know, and we'll get to it later on. Okay.

We were jealous. That's my guy. That's my guy. Wow. Yeah. Talk to him. all the time. But yeah, growing up as a kid, yeah, we went to see him all the time. He's affiliated, which was why I went down that path too. But going back to my mama being dating

a doughboy, man, that was kind of what intrigued me when it came to the streets. Because everything that we had, we had go cars, we had the Jordans, we had, you name it, we had it. Christmas, we had all kind of gifts. And we always sit and wonder, like, how we don't have normal lives, even though it looked like we're in the struggle. Like, we close to the projects. All my home boys is in the projects, but it seemed like we got decent lives. Right.

And I remember coming home one day, getting off the bus, and I wanted to get some snacks, and I went in the pantry. When I went in the pantry, I seen a bunch of bags of what looked like cookies. I didn't know what it was. I had absolutely no idea what it was.

Two, three weeks after that, I'd get out the bus and come home, and the door had been kicked off the hinges. The front door? Well, the side door. We had the front door and then you come around to the side. The side door was kicked out the engine. And soon as I peaked in and I could see that the entire kitchen had been like somebody

just ramshacked it. The pantry door was open. So when I stepped in, it's glass on the floor. They took all the glasses, broke them. They put metal, I guess, in the microwave, blew the microwave up. By the time I walked into the living room, looked like they had cut the couches up like they were trying to, like they were searching for dope. The whole entire living room was trashed out.

My mama's home interior. Everything was thrown on the floor. By the time, the bathroom, when you turn, when you go in, turn, you see the bathroom because my room to the left, me and my brother room to the left. My brother, I mean, my mom's room to the right. But so the bathroom this way, I can see it. They ramshack the bathroom. By the time I turned and went in my room, it was ramshack.

It spooked me. I turned around and run out of it. I could see my mama's bedroom. It was ramshake too. The whole house was trashed. So this isn't a police raid. This is some guys looking for dope. For sure.

It had to be what I was assuming at the time. I didn't know what was going on. So I ran out of the house. And I didn't even tell my mom, I just went up the street and started playing basketball. I let them come home and discover it. I asked like I didn't even know because it scared me. And then I came home about two weeks after that.

the guy who broke in the house was back in the house and me and my brother's bedroom having sex with a woman. I saw him. I didn't know he was the person who broke. I didn't know it was him. But I saw him and I left back out of the house and I told my mom's boyfriend that I saw him. They found out it was him.

I don't know what happened after that. But that was kind of the beginning of, I guess realized what kind of environment we were in. They always had big, huge dice games. Everybody got thousands and thousands of dollars. And then I ended up getting molested by a family member in that same house. My cousin used to babysit us. Me and my brother was in a living room.

One day we were playing the game. And my brother said that he was hungry, said he wanted something to eat. And the babysitter, she was like, you old enough to do that yourself. Like you can go in and kill. and fix your own food. And he got up and he went in the kitchen. And then at that time she told me, she was like, why your brother and her getting that food, you go in there and finish cleaning up the bedroom.

But we had already cleaned the bedroom. So, but I'm not thinking this is what's going on. So I go in the bedroom, and when I go in the bedroom, she comes in behind me and she closed the door. When she closed the door, I kind of turned and looked at it and she was just pointing, telling me to grab little stuff. And then at that point, she lay down by the door. by the door and I know y'all going to say I ain't gonna go too far but I know that but then that happened and I never I never said anything how old was she uh at the time she had been 19 18 19 20 and how are you probably 9 10 somewhere in there 9 10 9 10 yeah 9 10 yeah 9 10 and didn't didn't say

nothing about that didn't know if it was okay to say anything I'm thinking maybe I get in trouble for saying it, but then if I'm going to shoot it straight, I don't think my mom would have believed me at the time anyway. I don't think none would have. I thought they, I think they would have just breasted under the rug. So that never came up until years later. And then after the molestation, my mom, I call it the big fight. My mom and the guy she was dating got into a huge, a huge, it was the worst fight I probably

ever seen in my life. My mom would throw hands, though. I used to fight like casting dolls all the time. Like, I seen my mom get the best of them several times. I see all get the best of them several times. But this time, uh, holes in the walls, black eyes, blood, screaming, family got called. It's everybody everywhere. It went all the way up the street onto another street. Like, it went for blocks just fighting, fighting, fighting, and at that point, my mama left. So how old were you then? I went to Juven when I was like 14

So I had the problem only been like 12 then Okay At 10, 11, 12 So when we moved from there She leave the drill dealer At the time we moved into The trailer parks Which basically is the project

Where the trailer park is The project's right behind it So you might always just say It was the project's I remember when we went to the trailer As she was cleaning up the trailer I remember asking her like, who moving in here? Right.

And she was like, we, we moving in here. I was like, I ain't moving here. Like, I'm going to stay with him. You see that drug dealer money. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to stay over there. I ain't staying in here. And so by the time we did move in there, my brother ended up getting into the streets.

He knew. He knew what my mom and boyfriend was doing. My brother three years older than me. I'm 37. He's 40. Then my sister, five years younger than me. So my brother had started selling drugs. Selling dope with a guy,

with actually the guy that ended up getting, his life took on my case. They were best friends. Like they were super duper tight. And they ended up getting pulled over in Russellville or Louisville, Kentucky. And some drugs got dropped in the car and he wouldn't take his charge.

And him and my brother ended up getting locked up. And when my brother got locked up, he wasn't giving me money. My mom left the drug dealer. My mom working the job. She can barely pay for, my uniforms if I wanted to play football, if I wanted to play basketball. So at that time, you know, I started getting in trouble.

I started getting in trouble, breaking in houses, stealing bikes. And that was just the small, petty crime stuff. And then after that, we ended up moving out of the trailer parks and what we call back home the hill, which is some more projects. We moved in some more projects. But this is where I ended up getting locked up the first time. I had a cousin that, I don't want to see it. I had a cousin.

We call him crime boss. I can say that. We called him crime boss, because that's all he did was getting trouble. Crime boss? Crime boss. That's what we called him at the time. Crime boss. Crime boss came to the house and he had told me it's around Christmas.

And he was actually in foster care at the time. D.C. is custody, but he ain't in a group home. He's living with somebody. And these people were white and they were wealthy. They had money. And he told me that he had some money over there, which it wasn't his money. It was the money where he knew they'd be putting for Christmas, when they'd be putting money up for Christmas. So we get another guy.

He didn't told us this plan, what we're going to do, we're going to go to the house, we're going to get the money, and we're going to split it and all this and that. So we end up going to the house. We tried to go through the door. We couldn't go through the door. The door was locked. He ends up breaking out the window. We climb in the window. I climb in behind him.

Because in my mind, I'm already thinking, even though I ain't all the way in the streets, I'm kind of already got some streets since. I'm thinking if he go in there and he get the money, he put it in his pocket, he can say he never got it. Right. So I jump in through the window with him. The third guy, he stays to watch. We go up the steps, he grabbed the money, and he did exactly what I would think. He put it in his pocket, he turned back around.

But I saw it. But by the time we go downstairs, I'm like, man, I seen the money. What we're doing? So he gave me some of the money, put it back in his pocket. And I'm thinking, ah, he ain't going to get it. him right so when we get out i ended up giving the other guy some of the money two days went about the police was at the door i got up went to the door my mama's in the bedroom i go to the door answer the door and sends the police and he was like uh is your mom here joe i'm like no

she ain't here right now he was like well you know why i'm here i was like no actually i don't yeah my cousin robbed that fucking place listen that what i should have did but but soon as soon as he He said, you know why I'm here. I got nervous because he said it loud enough like, he knew my mama cow was right there. Right. He said it loud enough like, this is a kid who's lying knowing that his parent is in the house. Yeah. And I was like, no, and he pulled out a picture of my cousin laid back in the detective,

in the interrogation room with his feet up on the counter. He got the clothes. He's taken to it. He got a Wendy's meal. He was sitting there chilling. He was like, he already told us everything. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. And by that time, my mama comes out of the back room.

Who is that? He said, I thought she wasn't. I thought your mom wasn't here. And she came around the corner and seen who it was. And I tried to slam the door on them and it didn't work. And I'm trying to tell her not to talk to him. But make a long story short on that, she ended up taking me to the police department. She ended up taking me down to the police department, which, and soon we got out of the car.

I took out running. I told him, I ain't going in the police department. I ain't no sense of me going in there talking to him. What I did, I tried to get the story together to blame it on the person who basically then went down there and told everything on us. Right. So I go get the third guy, because he told them both of us, I go get the third guy, and I tell him, look, this is what we're going to do.

You're 14? Yeah, I'm 14. Yeah, let me see, 13, 14. I'm 13, 14 at the time. I tell him, look. I know where the lady work at that Crambox was living with. We're going to go to the bank. She worked at the bank.

We're going to go there. We're going to ask for it. We're going to go in there and tell her. He lied to us. We don't know what was going on. We went. He came out. He had some money.

He gave us the money. Split it. And boom. And he was like, cool, let's do it. So we go to the bank and we did just that. She believed it. She cried. She went on and she was like, y'all need to tell my husband.

And so she told us where her husband worked at, which was up the street. We walked up the street. We walked up the street to her husband job, went in there and told him the same story. He looked both of us dead in our eyes and told her, I can't believe that he did that to us as much as we done for him, as much. I think they didn't have him in a private school, but he was in a great situation. Yeah. He was in a great situation.

He could have did anything. He actually just got back out of jail. He ain't never got straight, period. But he threatened, he was like, if I ever seen him, he was like, I think I'll do something to him. because it hurt them their bad. And he was like, man, y'all just ain't going to have to tell the judge, which I told me. We ended up going to court.

My mama standing behind me. The third guy on the right, crime boss on the left. We're looking up at the judge, and the judge asked me first, what happened. So I started telling the story me and him put together. Like, look, we didn't know what was going on. All we know is he came and got us, said we were going to get some clothes. This is where he said he was getting out of foster care. and by that time,

crime boss cut me off. Crinbaugh said, he's lying, Your Honor. Judge, that was a lie. He lied, and the judge said, well, what happened?

He called him his real name. He done been in and out of trouble several times already. And he spilled the beans on everything. This is what happened. He gave A, B, C, Y, Z. We went in. Joe came in with me.

I gave Joe some of the money right there. Joe decided to give him some money. I wasn't going to give him no money. And he just went completely in. And at this point, this is my first time getting in trouble. I really hadn't even had no run-ins with the loss. I don't know what's going to happen. Him, he already in shackles and everything.

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He said, I'll tell you what crime boss. He said, I'm ordering you back into D.C.S. custody. I wish he'd call him cronball. He said, he said, No, and as far as you, he pointed at the third person. He said, I'm giving you five days in detention. He said, you're going to detention, and he said, the county, Dixon County detention. Everybody know about Dixon County detention, even if you've never been in trouble.

Dixon County, Rutherford County, these were popular names of people who have been in trouble. So when he said that, I'm like, dang, but it's only five days. He can do that. So I'm thinking, I'm offing to get five days too. And the judge looked at me, he said, as far as you, got them going through the paper that he looked up at me. You went in the house. I went in the house. Yeah.

I went in the house. He pushed his glasses up. He said, his first time getting in trouble, I'm like, damn, he won't get me, maybe 10, maybe. He said, I'm sent us in you to D.C.S. custody as well. And when he said, I broke, now I turned around and looked at my mom. My mama looked at me. We looked at each other. She said, ain't no sense you're looking to me.

He's sitting one in them people have. And they, the bailiff came and got us, took us to the back. And I was boo-hoo and crying. And I asked, too, I'm asking for crying about it. Why did you do that? He was like, what did I do? He said, y'all tried to tell on me. I said, none of this never happens if you don't tell them in the first place.

I was just trying to. And he was like, man, you're going to be all right. We're going to be good. He was like, man, it ain't even nothing like what you think. How much did you get? They don't tell you exactly. Like, when you get placed in DCS custody, like the first time, I can't remember exactly how I go. Like, you're going to do maybe three to six months the first time.

If you come back, you'll do like nine to 12. and if you come back after that, it'll go from like 12 to 18, and then after that they'll try to do what they call an indetermined sentence and keep you to you 18. So I'm thinking, you know, I'm going to do three to six months. I ain't knowing this yet, but he promises, man, we're going to be all right. We're going to end up at the same placement together. I don't know what placement mean or none of this.

We get to the DCS office. Our family can come and see us before they take us to what they call like a temporary placement until you get to your permanent placement. Right. We getting ready to leave. We got 30 minutes. We leave. We're getting in the van.

We got on handcuffs and shackles. As we get in the van, I get in first. Cram balls strikes out running in his handcuffs and shackles. It gets away. Man, listen. It hurt me even more because at least I'm going to take this ride with somebody I know we're going to go to the same place. We're going to be here.

By the time I can get there, I can get acclimated. I can adjust long as I can see her from. media faith. Yeah. You're not only. I know. I know. It's good to know somebody.

It's good to know somebody. It's good to know somebody from the county jail. Right. And he strikes out running. And gets away? And got away in the shackles. I watched him. Little steps.

Look like Chris Johnson for the Titans. But he got away. And so they transport me. I go to Dixon County. When I get to Dixon County, they transport the third guy in a separate van. He there. He next door to me. We can't talk.

Ain't no, they bring TV, like you can watch TV because we watch Happy Gilmore. I still get triggered to this day. I can't watch it. I can't. And Adam Sandler is my guy. I mess with Adam. He's one of the great. But they used to put the TV right there and Happy Gilmore would be on.

I could smell what it smell like even as I'm talking about it. But we couldn't talk to each other. And when he come out to go in the shower, like we would always speak. But we would beat on the wall. We would make beats. On a while, that's the way we communicated. And that day four hit, he's going to get ready to go. I'm sitting over here and I'm thinking, like, he ain't going to let him go.

But they're going to let him go. And I seen his people. I seen his auntie and them come to the door. Because where my cell was positioned, I can see. And I seen them come to the door. And I just sit there and was like, man, he's going to go home. And they opened up the door. they came in, he didn't even turn around looking.

He put his clothes on, didn't say bye, nothing, and walked straight out. And that was that moment right there, man, just thinking about it now. It was a defining moment in my life, like feeling like I got to figure this out myself. Like, regardless of what goes on from here, I can call home, but it's just me. Cram boss done took out running. He's going home. I'm like, this is, this is what's going on. It's that TikTok, nobody's coming for you.

It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's all year. I try to, when you watch movies and stuff, you're thinking, I'm going to do some push-ups and do some sit-ups.

But in the movies, they time-lapse it. Yeah. They time-laps it. So it looked fast. It looked like, the time lapse, make it look like a year went by. Yeah, 90% of it's just depression. It's depressed. You're burning up your time, working out and doing this.

It's laying in bed staring at the wall Yeah, after I don't try to do 75 to 100 push-ups and realize I'm sitting in their bed and only 30 minutes went by We got a long ride And I don't even know how much time

I don't even know how much time I got at this point So by the time they moved me from there I went to a place called YES Which is in Lebanon Which was better It had like 12 other people in it We had a basketball team We went to a public school.

Like, it was cool, but I was only there for like 21 days. It was still a temporary replacement. And they came and you had me from there, and they took me to a place that still, they still have them now called NTC, Nashville Transition Center. Did they catch crime boss at any point? Not at this point. They're still looking for? Not at this point.

Yeah, I probably was three, four months in before they showed up. Before they called crimehouse. Does he show up? No, no, he goes to a different place. Now, he goes to it. And the only reason I found out about that is because, When I go to NTC, after you there, I think it's 30 days or 45 days, you can get weekend home passes. Okay.

And I was home on a weekend home pass, and somebody told me that they ended up catching them. I don't know. I keep forgetting you're like 14 years old. Yeah, I'm 14. I'm 14 right here. I'm 14. I'm getting ready to have a child at this point. What?

Yeah, and 14. I get out. What is going on? I get out of NTC. I get out July the 5th. I can't remember exactly. I mean, July the 3rd. I was supposed to get out July 5th.

But when we sit down and they discussing the hearing, I told them, I was like, is it any way I can get out before the 4th? And they was like, yeah, I'm sure we can make it happen. You ain't had no problems. And they let me go on July the 3rd. Let me see. I had to have been 14 at the time.

This is the first time I got locked up. I did five months and five days. I remember. I stayed out not even a year. I end up getting locked up again for stealing cars. Can we go back for a second? Go ahead. You had a kid.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. This was after I got out of NTC. So this happens. You get out, you get some chick pregnant. Mm-hmm. And she had, I mean, these are adult problems. You know what I'm saying?

Jail, babies. I'm robbing and everything at this point. I probably had I already shot my first person at this point. Yeah, I probably had already shot somebody at this point. I hadn't robbed nobody yet. I don't think I was selling drills, but I'm almost positive I shot one of my classmates before this. Fucking horrible. Yeah, it was.

Why? Why? Being honest with you, man, he called us some, man. He called her. But we was all out. The gunshot happened. I ended up shooting him because, and I didn't think I was going to hit him. Let me clear. Let me say that.

But I did. What's his name? Joe Pesci. What do you want to tell you? I'm a good shot. But he, now, we was all out chilling on this block where all those hang out, Carl Amwood, and him and one of his friends came by, and we was all just messing around, jumping on the car. And they started talking, you know, they started talking crazy.

And then the next thing you know, my classmate, I don't want to say his name. But he ended up saying, man, y'all don't want to get off my car, man. And by the time he said, that didn't nobody know I had a gun. All my friend, we're just kicking the boat. We're having fun. So by the time he said that, I pulled a gun out and cocked,

everybody kind of looked like, where do you get a gun from? At this point, the car, he skirts off, and we call it the back of the projects. And the reason we call it the back of the project is because it's one way in, one way out. Right. And so he drives in the back of the projects,

which means to get past us, you have to come back out. But when he drive back there, I think his sister lived back there at the time. So when he jumped out of the car, he's trying to run in his sister house, and I started shooting. And I'm probably where I'm there, I'm probably what my fiancee is about it, you know, and ended up hitting him. And he ended up, I'm seeing, I don't even know I hit him. He kind of started going down at that point. I turned around and ran home and then everybody called and was like, oh, you know.

And they never, I never got charged. I never, nothing ever happened. He survived, I'm assuming? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually talked to him about three, four months ago. Yeah, I did. I actually talked to him three, four months ago. And it's crazy thing is because his sister started dating,

I'm going to go back to the car stuff. His sister ended up reading my book and asked me, is this my brother you talking about? It got shot. Right. And she was like, you know, people always said it was you, but I didn't never. And I told it, I was like, yeah, that was.

That was me. And, uh, but yeah, we, we're cool now. They know I got my life on track. And he had, he had, he had, too, so, but I did. It all worked out. But when I got out of, when I got out of NTC, man, I got in the, I got into stealing cars because I couldn't play basketball. Right.

Of course. I could play basketball. You can't, I can see the coach now. Listen, you're not going to make the team. Have you considered stealing cards? I couldn't play basketball, man. When it came to school, that's the only thing that made me interested. Right.

If I knew we had a game coming up, I was all in. By the time basketball season was over, my whole track record, when basketball season over, I went to jail. When basketball season was over, I went to juvary. When basketball season was over, and something was wrong every single time. And when I came back, the coach told me I had to sit out. I had to wait a year before. before I could even play ball.

Why? Because it was the freshman year had started, and they had already did the trials. They had already had the team. So when I went to him and told him, I was like, hey, I just got out. He was like, yeah, I heard about you. He was like, you know, but we already done.

He was like, you gotta wait. Yeah, I'm like, no, basketball in my life. Like, it's really, you know, that's what I love to do. And I ended up getting in trouble because a guy was talking to my kids, mom at the time, in the school. When I, and we ended up getting into it, and I ran in a classroom where he was, and we got into it real bad, and I ended up getting sent to, I think of,

alternative school. What is it, what does that mean? You got into it real bad. We had the harsh words. Yeah. I got into it with his, I got into it with his, Let me take their back. We got into it in the cafeteria.

Okay. I'm in the cafeteria. It's circulating that he goes with her. They got something going on. And everybody knows I was at the time overprotective of her. And now I'm coming home, everybody wondering, is she going back to him? Is he going to do something?

This is just a bunch of talk going on. So I go in a child. I go in a child. Look, see? So I go in the cafeteria. When I go in the cafeteria, he goes. and sits with her. All my home boys

kind of looking like, so I initiated and I'm like, bro, like, you ain't, and he, we started getting into it right then and there and we had a principal at the time. I think his name was, can't remember his name, but whatever his name was,

he ended up grabbing me. He grabbed me and told me that I couldn't do that right there. He was like, man, you got a chill. He was like, you know you just came home. You want to play basketball. He's running all this stuff down. He takes me out. He calmed me down.

And he was like, you good. I was like, yeah, I'm good. He was like, well, just stay right here to the bedroom, then go on back to your class. As I'm sitting right here waiting for the bell ring, one of my cousins come out of his classroom and the guy's brother is walking down the hallway. So I told my cousin, I'm like, come on, we're going to get him.

I can't go back in the cafeteria. I can't go back in the cafeteria, so we're going to get him. So we started walking behind him when he turned around. I'm guessing he, I don't know if he knew or what. I don't know if he felt it, but he ended up taking out running in the hallway. As he take out running, we chase him in the hallway. We busts a big U-turn. Then we got these portables outside.

He run outside to the portables, I guess, is where his class was at. And he runs in the classroom, and I run in right behind him. And when I run in behind him, when I bust through the door, he's already up by the teacher, like, telling the teacher, like, they chasing me. They chase him in. And the teacher, like, what's going on? And I walk in, I'm cussing. I'm going off.

And she was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. She'd get on her. You got a walkie-talkie. She'd get on the walkie-talkie, calling for the principal, assistant principal, and whoever else. And everybody in the classroom started standing up. And at this point, I'm trying to walk towards him. And he'd get behind a teacher, and I throw a desk out of the way. And at that point, they ran in and grabbed me, and they sit down with me, and I ended up in alternative school.

Yeah, you can't come back here. You can't do that. You just, you just can't do that. But I ended up going to alternative school, and why I was in alternative school, school, I hated it. And one of my best friends, one of my guys. Because it's supposed to be a wonderful experience. I hate it.

I hate it. What did you expect? What did you think was going to happen? Not that. But when I got there, bro, it was so boring. It was just, it was. And me and my homeboy would sit outside on it, like it's a little bench. But the school back here, we would sit on the bench and we would just sit there and talk.

And one day I was just like, man, um, man, you want to go steal some cars? And he was like, man, I'm with whatever. He was like, how are we going to do it? And I was like, man, you know, in the morning time, you know, people like to start the cars and let them warm up. You know what I'm saying? It's cold, so you can see the exalt.

You can see it coming out. I said, if we walk around until we see a car, look like it's warmed up, we just get in and then take it. And he was like, yeah, I'm with it. He was like, cool. And we used to skip school every morning and just walk around and steal cars. And we would take the cars and we would hide them behind. a hotel. Like, we had a little car lot back there.

We had a little car lot. We had like six or seven cars back there at one point. We just parked behind the hotel. We would tell out our homeboys, and if we wanted to, we would be like, hey, which one y'all are going to get? I'm going to grab the ponies. I'm going to get in the, I'm going to get in the, I'm going to get in. We would just go back there and just drive the cars. We ended up stealing a car. It was a truck. It was a lady who was dropping her. We skipped one day. It was a mischibisie gray truck. And this truck was so nice.

It had to be, whatever the year it was, it had to be, that's what the truck was. And it looked like she was taking her child in the daycare. And she walked in the house. And my home boy, he was like, man, we got to get that. And where the truck is, it's a house off to the side. And Casper was there. I'm going to say his name.

We cool to this day. But Casper is looking out of his window because he's waiting for the bus to come. We get in the truck. truck and skirt off, they called the police, they offer him reward money. He'd tell him it was us. How much? $500, if I'm, if I'm correct. I think it was $500. Not bad. Now that at that age, there was the second guy that got $500. That was the first guy that got $500 off of it. But when we drive off in this car, we keep this car, we keep this truck maybe two, three days. two three days we kept this truck two three days just riding around because my granny at the time lived

how old are you i'm 15 now i'm 15 i got my daughter my daughter at the time right now as we're talking i'm sure my daughter is probably only like six or seven months old at this at this point yeah we just we just we just we just joy riding in the car we ran around and we ended up uh over my granny house in hendersonville i got the car parked behind her building she don't know but she I didn't know she's seen it, though. So I'm sitting in here and I hear her on the phone and that I hear her describing the truck. I need 500.

I want 500 bucks. I hear my, granted, yeah, it's some great truck. He got, and I got up and I walked in. I said, who you talk to, granted? She said, your mom on the phone and asked me about that car you driving. I said, hang on. Get out of the phone. She was like, what is going on?

I said, just give me the phone. I get the phone. I ain't going to. She was like, what's going on with the truck? I was like, don't worry about it. So we lead, get in the truck. We ditch the truck, drive back home. When we get there, my homeboy mama done gait with my mama, they're thinking they're going

to take us down to the police department together. Right. My mama tell us to come to meet me. them at my homeboy's granite's house. We get to my homeboy at Granite house. His mama saying, I'm going to take you to the police department. My mama said, and you're going with him. And I said, no, I'm not.

Not going to the police department with him. That just ain't going to happen. She was like, yeah, you're going. I said, okay, so we get in the car. This is my second time. We drive down there. My homeboy get out of the car. I tell my homeboy, you can't go in there.

Don't go in there. In front of his mama, his mom is saying, He's going in there. My mom's in and you're going to. I said, I'm not going in there. I'm down here to make sure he don't go in there. Are you concerned that they're going to give him some Wendy's? He got the Wendy's.

He got the Wendy's. He got some. You're going to get a photograph? There's a photograph coming of him with some Wendy's. He went, he went in. I ran again. I ran. I ain't doing no talking.

He told him what happened. He told him what happened. After they happened, we still, in alternative school. We're still skipping and still in cars, even after that happened. Right. So, yeah, all this is happening

while you're in the alternative school. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And after that, we still in alternative school that gave us a court, we got a court date for the car to go to court.

You get arrested? I got charged. I got charged. Yeah. He told them everything. It happened. Yeah. Did the cops come and arrest you?

No, I just had to, now, because I was under age. So they just, I just had to go down. I don't know if my mama had the sign for something, but now they just called. I had to go down there. She had the sign.

I had a court date because I was to mind her. Okay. But I ain't have to get a name, put me in cuffs or nothing like that. So after that, we still stealing cars. It's a guy, and I can say his name because he messed with me,

Dallas. He ain't from Dallas, though. What's up? What's up, Dallas? That doesn't narrow it down. What's a dozen? But Dallas was the cool white boy in the hood.

Okay. His parents was doctors. I think of, doctor and a lawyer. What's he doing in the hood? He wanted to be cool. He was cool. And he had an avalachian truck truck, burnt orange,

24-inch rims on it at the time. He got the speakers. He got the bang, you know. Dallas was cool. And everybody wanted to drive that truck. Everybody wanted to drive that truck. I wanted to drive it to. So we walking around one day.

We're looking for people who getting out at the gas station to run in and pay for their gas and leave their car running. Okay. This is what we're doing. It's a gas station, then it's a Wendy's, and behind the windows is a liquor store. So we're sitting, and across the street is the Taco Bell. So we're sitting at the Taco Bell where the dumps are we can see over to the gas station. But as we watch in the gas station, two girls pull up in Dallas, Avalanche, Berners, truck with the 24s on it at the liquor store.

Both of them get out and go into the liquor store. Let me rewind real quick. Two, three days before this, I got a homeboy that's a gamer. Real love you, bro. We, he used to demolish me on the game. And we used to play 21 skunk on 20, on Madden. I beat him one time. You were real with this, too.

And when I beat him, he goes in the back room because he tells me to get out of his house. He tells him I got to leave. I'm 15 at the time. He hot. You got to go. Get out. get out. I was like, man, bro, I just beat you in the game for the first time. It's like, you're a hundred than nothing.

You was a hundred to one. You still got nine and a hundred games on me. Like, he walks to the back room. His dad was a police officer. He comes, his mama has that, I don't know what that plastic stuff was with the little this right here. What is this?

It's a carpet guard. The carpet, they had a carpet guard through their hole, through the hallway. So I can hear the foot. Right. And as he turned the corner, he got a 357 bag. Because you beat him at the game? True story, man.

He got a 357 mad. He pointed a gun at me and told me, get out of my house. I said, well, I'm going. I mean, you got that. You need to pick your friends better. I never play you again. But when I walked out the house, of course I'm mad, he pointed the gun. And I'm like, dang, it was a nice gun.

So before we stole the truck, we ended up. Because he made me mad. So I went and got my homeboy that I'm with. And you don't know this, real, but I'm fin of telling them. This part wasn't in the book. But they used to put lights on, they were, when they put their lights on the house, they would snowmen, all of those stuff. But before we went in there and got the gun,

I went in there, took their lights out of the house, ripped all the lights out of the house and all that old stuff. Messed the house up real bad, all their lights and stuff. They had to replace them. But we ended up breaking in that. house and I went back there and searched it and found that 357, which is the same 357 we used when we took the truck from the girls at the liquor store. They weren't in the liquor store, me and my homeboy both looked over. I don't, listen, listen. Listen, your buddy has a nice,

an avalanche, right? Is that the avalanche, you said? He has a nice, I guess you said it was orange. He has a nice avalanche with some big rims on it. And this is your buddy. And you see some girls driving his truck. Yeah. And you rob, you

steal carjack. Yeah, no honor. You carjacked. My buddy's, that's me carjacking Colby's, I see somebody driving Colby's vehicle. I car. There's Colby. It was nice, Kobe. The Kobe had a nice car. I mean, all you guys are just

No honor amongst these. Yeah. Okay. And I know that. Snakes. Yeah. I'm talking about it. But was comfortable around each other.

Right. Wouldn't want to be around nobody else. Like, this is a sense of normal. But the girls are coming out of the liquor store. We crept over. We ain't got no mask or nothing. So we're covering our face with our hand. Do they know you?

I didn't know the girls. I didn't. I think he knew one of them. I didn't know the girls. Right. And so by the time we pulled a gun. one of the girls make it back into the store the other friend tried to run in

and the other friend is keeping her from running back in the store because she, I don't know what was going on but my friend, my homeboy was like, what the keys is at? And she was like, they already in the truck. They already in the truck. So at that point, he jumped in the driver seat.

I jump in the passenger seat. We pulled off in the truck and we drive to Nashville where my granny was working at the Windorham Historical Hotel at the time. She don't know we outside in a stolen truck. They got valet. So I tell my homeboy, we pull up in the valet, I tell him, look, just parked the truck.

I'm going to run in here and get some money for my grand, because we ain't got no money. We need some gas. We don't know what we're going to do yet, neither. I run in to get some money for my granite. By the time, my granny don't know what's going on. By the time I walk back out, he's done wrecked the truck and hit some car that's parked in the valet, done got him out of the truck, took the keys out of the truck, Over the truck doors are open.

So I walk over and I'm looking at him. He looked at me. He said, what's going on? He said, man, I couldn't see that little bit of the truck. Like the rims, he tried to basically say the rims were sitting up so high. He couldn't see the truck. Okay. But when he told me that I look and I said, well, what are keys?

He said, man, one of them got it. One of them got the keys. One of the valet guys. So I asked the valet guys, I'm like, this is my truck. I said, I just want to know which one of y'all got my keys. and the guy who got him he patted on it he said i got keys i got keys i said i don't know if you really got the keys or not i said as you can see this is an expense of the truck these expensive rims you can hear it's got loud expensive speakers i said i need to see my keys i need to see

he said i call metro i said that's fine you can call metro but i want to see which one of y'all got my keys that's all i want to see i got keys sir i got and he reached and he dangled the keys and I ran over and snatched the keys. We ran to the car, got in, and we drove our way to Atlanta, Georgia. Who story? Did you show you got some money from your grandma? My grandma, yeah.

Okay. We took all the money we hid, put it in the gas tank, and drove to Atlanta, Georgia from Springfield, from Nashville, Tennessee. Okay. We get to Atlanta, Georgia. It's a long drive.

Yeah, I think four hours. Yeah. We almost out of gas. The only thing we got is a $357 and a bag of green. He was a head that he'd been smoking on the whole way there. So when we get there, we ride past this club. I never think it was called Indigo. It was a team club.

Because when we got there, he was like, man, because they had pipes on the truck. And he was like, man, put it in neutral and let the pipes hollow. So we put it in neutral and everybody got around the truck and was bouncing. And we thought we was having. We had 24 inches. We had 24 inches. We had 20, we had 20, we had 20 on the truck. We was 15.

My guy was 16 years old. We was having a bar. So by that time, we go to this gas station. We almost got a gas. Son getting ready to come up. And he was like, what we're going to do? I said, man, we're going to have to start robbing people. He was like, how are we going to do that?

I said, with this big old truck, I said, man, we're going to pull it over in front of cars, block them off and get out and rob them on the spot. He was like, that's what's up. up. I said, for a cool, then. That's what we're going to do. True Lord. Yeah, nobody will be able to put,

nobody will be able to track this truck down. Nobody will be able to do. It's bright orange with 24s on it or something. I went in another state. I went another state. We're the police officer gun doing this. We got the 3'10. So the first guy, it looked like he was dropping his girl out to Kroger's,

I guess, to work. Right. We coming down this hill, and I see him getting ready to come back out. And my homeboy going first. So he get the gun out of the, I said, man, he's, he going to cover his face with his hand. I pull over in front of the car, block it off. The guy just sitting there, he lays on the horn. And as he blowing, he don't know what's going on.

So how, where I'm in front of him is the driver's side. So when he get out, he's coming around, he's laying on the horn. So by the time he see my homeboy up the gun, all I see from the truck is his hands go up in the air like this. And when his hands went up, my homeboy opened the door. And I heard, I could hear him say, I don't have nothing, man. I ain't got nothing. I ain't got nothing. He was like, you ain't got to do this.

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So by the time my home would come back to the truck, and I hate to even say this, but I'm being honest, it was the fear intrigued me when I seen him with the gun, how he had a guy responded. So when he gave me the money and showed me it's only $10,15. I'm like, no, he got something else. But really it was I wanted to point the gun at him too. So I take the gun.

Just being honest So I take the gun I go back and I point the gun at him And he was like man you ain't got to do this That's all I got and this this and that And I had my little moment We got in the truck We pulled off

And he started pulling out slow And I told my homeboy I said he got something And I turned around As soon as I turned the truck around He stopped His hands went up Well he stopped

Open his door and threw the wallet Back out again before we even got to him And so that was the first robbery. We leave there. We now we drive around town a little bit. We get, you know, we coming down this road, it's a truck beside us. And I told, it's my turn now. I told him my homeboy, I'm like, when the light get ready to turn, he had his blink on the turn right. I said, turn in front of him. He going to stop. I'm going to get out. And then I got out. He probably only had like $40. We did this like two, three times. We had enough to get a little food and put some gas.

So we call ourselves driving all the way on the other side of town, as if probably four, five people at the time ain't called and identified. Yeah, they're saying. Nobody will put us together if we just get across town. Yeah, yeah, we drive all the way across town. And we're in the neighborhood, houses were nice, the cars with luxury, we're thinking, okay, this was the money at. And it's my homeboy town, so I'm driving. We get to a four-way. It was a BMW.

It's got that, I think they call it mirror tent, where, whatever it is. But we're at a four way and she's on the phone. And she flashed for us to go ahead and go. Because we got the blinker to turn left because I'm going to turn and I'm going to stop right in front of him. He's going to get out. Right. So I turn and when I turn and hit that left, I hit on the brakes.

He jumps out. By the time he jumped out and she see the gun, I hear her scream. And her hands went up. And I'm guessing when her hands went up, she hit the car, the gear shift and put it in reverse. So when the car go in reverse, if you ain't steering the wheel, in reverse it's going to turn. So she hit it and the car started backing up. And my homeboy is running beside the car with the gun to the window. She goes down in this ditch and all I hear is a boom.

It ain't a gunshot. It sounded like wrecked. Like she hit a tree. my homeboy runs back up up the hill and comes to the car and he was like man she crazy she got out running I said did she have a purse in hand he's like now she ain't had nothing I said go back and get the purse right so he ran back got the purse got in the truck we pulled out she had like $1,300 in there whoa yeah she had like $1,300 or $1,300 we went to the mall he got to keep in mind it just went we had a shower

We have no license. I'm 15, 16. We don't know nothing about Atlanta, Georgia. What they called the Underground Mile at the time. We had the Underground Mall. My homeboy, he had real on her at the time, but he didn't have it Brady. He had two big puff balls.

So we found somebody that can braid his her. Then we ran into a guy that I think he was renting scooters out or something. He had some kind of connection to, like, little motor scooters or something. And we kind of am, oh, let me back up. that night after we hit the lick before we go to the underground mall, we park in a parking garage that you can go in. We're parking in a parking garage. And as we're in the parking garage, I doze off and go to sleep. My homeboy is smoking.

My homeboy is smoking. And I tell him, I was like, man, make sure you turn the truck out. So I go to sleep. I wake up. It's money out all in the dashboard. I'm guessing he's just been having a great old time. I go to start the truck up and truck did. That's how we ended up getting out of the truck

and walking to the underground mile and running into these people. Because the truck, the battery was dead, which probably was a plus for us at the time. Yeah, yeah. So by the time we run into the guy with the scooters, my homeboy tells him, he was like, man, my own boy got a truck.

He was like, the battery did. He was like, do you know somebody that can jump it? He was like, man, the calves around here, like, they'll jump it. You probably just have to pay him $2, $25. He pulls out all the money. like, oh, that ain't nothing. So at this point, I'm thinking, why would you show him, you know, he was like, what kind of truck is it? He started describing the truck and this, this, and that.

And he was like, oh, yeah, let me see the truck. So we go, we show him the truck, now he want to hang out with us. We get the truck jump, we're riding around. He don't know. We don't ride four, five people in this truck. Right. He has absolutely no idea. The police are absolutely looking for this. Exactly. So we drive to, he take us to a hotel because he was 18, night, whatever, he was old enough to get a hotel. He go get us a room. He don't know what's going on, but he go get us a room. He showed us what their club was.

He was going to take us back there. He's telling us all this stuff he's going to do with us. So after we get him to get the room, we ride around for a little bit. And I tell him, I'm like, look, I got to drop you off. I said, I'm going to come back and get you. I said, I got to go pick up my brother. And he don't like new faces. He was like, man, y'all going to come back and get me for real.

I was like, yeah, we're going to come back and get you. I said, my brother just don't like new faces. let me go take care of that and I'm gonna come back so we dropped them off where we found them and it wasn't 10 15 minutes after that 10 15 minutes we're driving around police get behind me my home board I went to sleep I hit two three lights it's two three police is but I still ain't woke him up yet I still ain't won't we till we're actually in trouble yeah I didn't work him so we so we ride and there's like four or five of them I tapped him I said look don't don't jump up panic or nothing he's like what's going because he ain't have his shoes on he was like

what's going on? I said, brother, police is behind us. He reached down. He said, for real, I said, it's about for having us. He said, too. He said, I don't know. I said, they done hit two, three blocks with me. He was like, what we're going to do? I said, I don't know. We're going to do something. So we're driving, and it's a red light. We're the first at the red light, though. When we get at the red light, we literally, both of us looking out of our river view, we, it was enough cop cars to count 12, 13 to the point of where you knew it was a long line. of police. So by the time,

it's two other police cars that doesn't hit their lights, but not the siren coming down this side of the four way. So by the time they get close enough, you hear the sirens go off. So when the sirens go off,

ain't none of the traffic moving. So my first thought was hit the gas. So when I pull off, this police car gets, I make it around him just enough. and this police car, they blocked all the rest of them,

which gave us a head start. So we get a head start. And as we driving, my homeboy was just saying, find the interstate, find the interstate. I know what you mean. Like, find the interstate. I still don't know what we're about to do. And we're driving, and there's a blue avalanche

that's getting on the interstate the same time we're getting on the interstate. So when we turn, you can feel the truck I almost lift up just a little bit. and the blue Everlade's truck stops. We get around it and I'm getting that they lay on the horn but they moved enough

and blocked the police from getting on the interstate. So we got another head start. We get on the interstate and we just punching it, just going straight, in between cars, so we get far enough

to where you can barely hear the sirens and if it's a little hill, just enough, I know when I go over it it's enough to not see the police. So as we're driving, it's a ramp to get off. on and I can't see them.

So we go over and I get off on the ramp. When I get off on the ramp, we stop. We didn't know if we was going to get out and run or nothing, but I knew we had a lead on them. My homeboy reaches in the glove box, hands me the gun. I hand it back to him. He handed to me. I rolled down the window, throw it out the window in the bushes.

And as we sit there, literally the police, you just, whew-woo, whew, it went on for about two minutes. We're just sitting there, looking up. And by that time, I turned the train. truck around, come back up the ramp. We're going towards the traffic that's coming towards us. We're driving. And the trucks just, we drive up the interstate probably for about five minutes to the, my homeboy was like, we can't keep doing it. He was like, man, we're going to have a rig.

I bus her U-turn in the middle of the interstate, drive up a little bit, get off on the ramp, go on, get on to another, and we just kept driving straight. He was like, where we're going? I was like, I don't know. We're just going to keep driving straight. we ended up in Alabama. Got away. Oh my God. Too sorry. I mean, I can't believe you stayed in the truck.

Yeah. Stayed in the truck. Stayed in the truck. Straight in the truck. We got to Alabama. It was a theme park. I don't know what I can't remember what park it was. We ended up at this park.

We parked the truck. It's a hotel next to the theme park. We parked the truck, walked to the theme park. lot, we was waiting for people to come out. We was going to follow them to their car and take another car. So as we walking behind these two girls, one of the girls turned around and was like, why y'all keep following us? We was like, man, ain't nobody following y'all.

They was like, yes, you are. Like, y'all following us. Y'all need to quit following us. We ain't walking no further until y'all quit following until y'all turn around, quit following. So we turn around and we go get back in the truck, and we're just sitting in the parking lot. And as we're sitting there, we don't know what we're going to do.

We don't know if we want it back home. We know Atlanta. We don't know if they know we stole the truck back home. We don't know if the girls are done. We don't know none of this. So as we sitting in silence, my homeboy, I heard, and I looked over. And that's one of my catchphrases on YouTube. This is actually where this catchphrase come from.

And I looked over at him, and he looked up to me, and we looked at each other. And he said, I want to go home. I don't want to go home. And I started crying too. I started crying. I said, bro, man, me too. And we hugged each other. He was like, how are we going to get there?

I was like, I don't know. I said, I don't know. I said, man, we're just going to get on that state. We're going to drive straight. But we need some gas. So we go to the gas station and an 18 wheel to pull up. I'm in a gas station. I'm getting snacks.

And I see my homeboy talking to the 18, the truck driver. So when I come out, I'm like, what are you? I'm like, what are you talking to him for? He was like, I asked him how do we get to Nashville from here? He said, get on, I think it's I-65 north or I-sixth or south, which I can't remember going. But whichever one, he said, just get on I-6-5 and just keep going straight. He said, you'll run straight into it. I was like, all right, bet.

So we get on the interstate. We're driving. I've been driving this whole time. So I tell my home, I'm like, bro, you got to sweet. Like, you got to drive. Like, I'm going to tell you, like, all right, bet. I said, we need gas, pull over and get gas. He was like, all right.

I don't know how long we was driving. We ran out of gas. in the middle of that. Why didn't you get gas? I mean, in general, you had the money, right? You still had money, right? We got some gas. I don't know if we filled it up,

but I know we ran out of gas in the middle of the interstate. When he woke me up, cars were that's how I knew. I had jumped in the back of the avalanche, lay down, and the cars was just going by us. I rode, he woke me up,

he was like, bro, and I raised up and look. I said, what's going on? He said, man, we had out of gas. I smacked him in the back of head, instantly. I said, why, you need to stop and get some gas, He's like, man, bro, we got to get the...

We pushed the truck to the side of the road. We could see a gas station. But where we were at, it's a ramp. Cars coming around this ramp, but it's a bunch of big rocks right there. I said, instead of walking all the way to their store, we're going to take these rocks. We're going to line them up across this interstate. Somebody's going to stop.

You guys have had one brilliant idea after another. Man, listen, I can't make this stuff up, bro. They were not stopping I was gonna say Who stopped? They were not stopping They were tearing They called something

They were tearing So at this point We got to walk to this store And as we walking You know how you can tell It looked like rain Started somewhere It looked like

It can be raining Right here And be nothing here Yeah yeah That's what it looked like As we were getting closer We're thinking It dang it's raining

We get there It's cicadas I think that's what you call them Like The bugs Yes Okay They were swarming all over the place.

It was like we walked into a blizzard of cicadas. Like, we literally walked in. It was just all over. Like, it was bugs everywhere. We fought through and get to the store. It's bugs all over the store. When we walk in the store, we knocking bugs off in the store. And the guy, when we looked up at the guy at the register, he looked at us.

He said, where did y'all come from? We knocking bugs off. And we was like, our parents ran out of gas. He was like, well, they didn't give you a gas can, because I'm on sale gas cans. I was like, what? But he was like, you could try to put it in something. We ended up getting some gas.

We drove back. We go to his girlfriend house. When we get there, she complaining. She's going off her. She already didn't like me. I go in her bathroom. I took a buried bath in there, brushed my teeth with day toothbrushes.

Like, it's been two days. Like, it's crazy. So they had got quiet while I was in the bathroom. So by the time I come out of the bathroom, I had called my brother to come and get us. We're going to get our story together. We're going to go back, whatever, whatever. My brother comes. I go outside to go see if there's him.

I hear the music. When I come back, the clothes that we bought in the bags were sitting outside of the door. Because we had parked the avalanche. When we got back to Nashville, we parked it at a skating ring, wiped it down, got out. We called his girlfriend on the collective. phone and we was right around the corn from her house, Greensville Rivergate. I see my bags outside the door. I run downstairs to get my brother.

I was like, my bags outside the door, he ain't coming out. We got to go get him. So we go upstairs, we try to kick the door, the neighbors started coming out. And as I'm kicking the door, I hear his girlfriend saying, I'm calling Metro. I'm going to call Metro, and I'm telling him everything, and he ain't saying nothing. He already didn't told him about the Mishibisie. Right. We already got this case in it.

Now he fell down and he'd been telling him about the avalanche, which he did. And that's how I got locked up the second time. I did 10 months. You should have dropped the avalanche off at your buddies. I should have took it back. He didn't press charges. Really? So you dropped it off with the hand.

Yeah, Dallas. Dallas didn't press charges. We ended up getting charged. We ended up getting charged. I still always wondered to this day, no bull. What happened with the Atlanta thing? We've never heard anything? about it? Nothing. I'm talking about we flatfoot got away, clean. I wanted to, if anybody

see this, I was like, I wonder if somebody, if they hear this, will they remember like, because I want to apologize. I ain't over a lot because, you know, I don't matured now. Like, when we was doing it, like, it was crazy. Like, we were literally blocking cars off, getting out, like, that lady that had that wreck and jumped out and took out, I didn't get to see a run, but I always wondered like, dang, I wonder, and nothing ever came from. Nothing never came home. But this time I did 10 months and I did 10 months and when I got out. 10 months just for the stolen car.

10 months for the stolen car. And neither one of you said, hey, there's this thing in Atlanta. No. Oh, okay. No, no, no. No, it never came up. Dallas never pressed charges. They found.

Here's another thing I thought about. When they got the truck, how didn't they run, how didn't Tennessee run the plates and see that it was, I'm like, was it because it was another state like, wasn't no alert on it? wasn't nothing. Like, they got the, he got the truck back in Tennessee, didn't press no charges. It was over. Matter of fact, when we got out, after we done the 10 months, Dallas bought us Tennessee Titans' tickets up.

I'm telling you, man, he bought us Tennessee Titan. He wanted to take both of us to a football game. I didn't go with him. And he knows you stole the truck. Yes. He was just in my comment session like two weeks ago. Like, I'm proud of you. Seriously.

He got the truck back in one piece. Right. But, yeah, I did 10 months at a YDC youth detention center. It's like a baby prison. It's got the fence around there. It's got just like the prison programs. It's basically preparing you to go to the penitentiary. So you're basically what's 16, 17 by now?

I'm 16. Yeah, I'm 1617. Let me see. I'm 16. I had to be 16 right here. I had to have been 16 at the YDC. So I do the 10 months at the YDC. this is when I started flirting with affiliation

because I knew my daddy was a GD because he had a pitchfork burned like seared in his hand right here and so when I was I would see people throw up the pitchforks and that's kind of got curious and I was like oh that's what my dad is and so that's kind of when I started saying

that I was a gangster at the time and so I do the 10 months I come home and I'm running around saying I'm GD I don't know nothing about GD at the time Right. It's probably not a good idea. But somebody ends up telling my dad, my dad calls,

and he tells me he comes to the prison to see him. And when I go to the prison to see him, of course, he asked me the questions to see if I knew. And I said the stuff that I thought I knew. And he was like, don't ever repeat that. He was like, that's not, no, that's not. And he was like, if that's what you want to do. I'm 16. He's like, if that's what you want to do, like I can, you know.

And I'm like, yeah, that's exactly what I'm. I want to do. Like, what do you mean. That's exactly what I want to do. But, yeah, he used to have guys come down and pick us up and cheer with us, all kind of stuff. Like, that's how my brother. My brother ended up, like, one of the biggest drug dealers in my town of Spranfield.

But through my daddy. It was a guy he was locked up with. It came home and was major. And my brother, my daddy connected him with my brother. And next thing I ain't know my brother was, yeah. So that's how that happened. And then after the 10 months, I stayed out, I think this time I stayed out like eight months, and I went back in for attempted murder.

What was that for? Okay, so the attempted murder charge happened because it's a bunch of stories in one. It was a guy my brother had got into it with it because I learned how to cook rock at 15, 16 as well. Right. So my brother used to ask me to cook for him. And one day, I guess he couldn't get a hold of him, so he asked somebody else to do it. And they got this method, what they call it, like pouring down a drain.

And because when it's still in liquid form, when it get cold, so when it go down and get on the pipe, when it get cold, it'll stick to the pipe, and they'll tell you it ended up losing. Let's say, for instance, it was 28 grams, and now they don't pour it down the drain. and now it's only showing 20. When you're thinking you lost eight, when the truth is they pour it and it's stuck in the pipe. So when you leave, they'll unscrew the pipe and get the rest of it out.

That's basically probably what they did to my brother, but it was a lot. So my brother ended up coming and tell me, because I was kind of the muscle. My brother ain't street. We count a night and day. So he ends up coming to tell me about it. And that's the reason I had a lot of beefs too because of him. I was always having to. You always getting me.

I always, always. And he come and tell me about it. We get in the car. He don't know I got a gun on me. And when we pull up, he thought he saw the guy who done it. He thought he had a gun on him. He was like, wait a minute, he was like, I think he got a gun on him, boo. And by that, because they call me boo.

By this time, I get out of the car, cocked me, and I already pointed at him and told him put his hands up. So he put his hands up, as he put his hands up, I tell my brother to get out of the truck and pat him down. I'm 16 at the time, too. I'm 16. And I had never done a drug the day in my life. Never drank, never smoked. Still to this day. So as I got him at gunpoint, this guy, grandmother is out.

I don't even know why she was out that late. She gets out of her car and walks up and she was like, boo, you wrong, I'm going to tell your granite. I turn and point the gun to her and tell her, you need to get back in the car. This ain't got nothing to do with you. So she goes and get back in the car. And I tell him, look, whoever got my brother. work they need to get it back and he was like i don't know he was like i ain't do that so i was like

okay it's a trap house so it's several people there there's this this that's pushing i walk in the house gun out and and everybody like man hold on what's going on i said if somebody don't pay my brother back everybody going i don't want to use that word everybody got to drop it off so at that point they were like man we ain't got nothing to do with that and the girl who lived to her. She got two daughters who got to go school in the morning. She come around the corner and said, uh-uh, you got to get out of my house with that gun like you tripping.

And I say, how I'm tripping? You got several drug dealers in your house. You got to go to school in the morning. They're trapping out of here, playing dominole, smoking, drinking, and you tripping by a gun. You might have gone in your room. Let me finish doing what I got to do. And she went on in the room. And I turned around, I said, uh, who's going to pay for it? And everybody

pissed in and paid. And then I ended up leaving. So, to get to the attempted murder, man. That started. That's the spark. That's the spark. At this time, my dad didn't give me a plug at the time, which the guy who doesn't change his life to this day, too,

he actually in ministry. I go, I get a nine piece, you know, what a nine piece is. I get it. I drive back home, and I take two ounces of it. I'm going to go get one cooked. I'm going to sell one. But I got one of my cars getting worked on a guy we called Cowboy. So I'm going to go check on my car.

And as I go to check on my car, the girl I'm talking to at the time messaged me and asked me for something, whatever it was. I just spent my real money. I got a lot going on. I ain't trying to hear that right now. And I might have been on the run at the time as well. I'm sure I was. So when she asked me, I texted back.

And I was like, no, I can't do that right now. And she takes me back, tripping and was like, okay, I'm going to flush all your work down the toilet. I'm like, so I tell him, whatever he got going on with the car, he finner cook the work for him. I give him that. I get in the car to drive back home. Her son is outside. We're staying in projects, 21st. Her son is outside.

I walk through the storm door. Before I walk through the storm door, I can see her mom sitting on the couch. when I go through gun already in my hand Smith and Wins and Blue Steel 9 Extended clip 21 She's sitting on the couch Her mom said boo what's going on Her daughter is in the kitchen

washing dishes She turned around See the gun in my hand By the time I up the gun Her mama was like Her mama get the screaming And tell me I don't do that So by the time I look

In my peripheral I could see her son I wasn't stun her mama Because I'm asking her Where is they work at Because I had, man, I take that back. I went and checked. When I walked in, I checked, and my spot, it wasn't in there.

So by the time I up, I'm like, where is my work at? And she was like, if you're going to do it, go ahead and do it. Her mama doing all the screaming. She walks up on me and spits on me. So by the time she's... The mom? No, the daughter. When she spit, this is, I'm looking, and I see her son coming through the storm door.

So as I see her son coming through the storm door, that's the only reason why I was like, you know what? You ain't got worried about you. You're a read about me. I was on run at the time. I was tired. So I go in the pantry, I got an AK-47. I grabbed AK-47 and has got a shoulder strap on it. I put the AK-47 on.

I walk out the house. I get in the car and I pull out. When I go around the corner, I see the guy that my brother had got into it with. And it was, I almost said his name. I ain't going to see his name. But anyway, when I drive around, it's a bunch of people out, though. It's kids out. It's almost like a block party.

Right. So I drive up the street and I say to myself, I'm going to get, I'm going to come back around the corner and I'm going to get him. And so as I'm driving, I see a friend of mine who was supposed to have been sleeping with my girl at the time too. So he runs a stop sign because he's trying to help somebody do something. He runs a stop sign. I take the AK-47. I sit it on the window outside of the car and I let out about six or seven shots.

His brother in the passenger seat. I see the bullets go through. His brother tries to dive out of the passenger side window because the window went down. The car veers off. It looked like I hit him because he had a hoodie on. So the hoodie goes up. I see the bullets go through.

Car swerp. He tried to jump out the window. I didn't see if it crashed or not. I turned off and went. Now I'm back on 21st, the street where I was living on. So as I'm driving up the street, there's just so much going on in my head at the time. I come back around to that top of the street where I see all them people at and I had, I got a magazine clip too,

which means you can take one uncot and put the other one in. Right. So I stopped, let the window down and I just let it right. I just, probably 30, 40 shots. Take the magazine clip, I put the other one in. Just, just, where? At what? At the guy.

Okay. At the guy going back to the situation. I ended up hitting him. I guess, I think I grazed his arm and I hit him in the butt. not knowing that I was even going to do that from a distance. Like you said, what am I going to say? I guess I'm a good shot.

Yeah, yeah. So I pull off and we got this woman I could say her name, Pee-Wee, shout after Pee-W. Pee-Wy was the neighborhood lady that had a scanner that could hear what was going on as far as the police.

And she called her grandson that I was cool with at the time and told him to she had heard my name on the scanner. and he called me and he was like man Granted just called said she hears your name on scanner you might want to get out their car I'm so mad and frustrating and tired at the time I'm tired of the life in general

I probably was almost ready to let them take me out to be honest and I was like man I ain't worried about that I was like I'm going to go back around there and do it again I don't even know how hit him at the time so as I'm driving I get to this four way to go back around it's a cop we call Bogel shout out the Bogel man He infamous.

He always in unmarked cars. He set people up confidential informers. Hey, your homeboy tell on you. He wanted him cops. He wanted him. You got to watch him. He might be dressed up as a junkie in the hood with a hood on. And ain't no telling about this dude.

So, Bogo, I'm sitting at a four-way getting ready. I got the AK-47 sitting in the passenger, just sitting there like he ran with me. and then I got the blue steel smith in west sitting in my lap. I got an ounce of white in my pocket. I got scales, pyrx jar, and the armrest. It's not good. It's not a good situation.

It's horrible. So as I'm sitting at the four-way, I see it's an expedition, gray expedition. I think it was gray at the time. I think it was either gray or blue. And as I'm sitting there for some reason, and I'm looking because he's on the same street where all of them people are.

And I just see somebody get down like that. And so when I noticed, I kind of looked and I saw, I said, this Bogo. And I knew it was on. And at that point, I just smashed, I turned right, smashed the gas, he smashed, he got behind me, two police cars was coming down. They got behind him.

We're on high speed. I'm in one of my cousin's car at the time. I called her during the high speed. You know, she called me during the high speed, Jay. She was like, what's going on? People telling me you getting chased by the police in my car. You done did this and did that and shot it. I was like, I'm driving.

Like, I'm in a high speed and I'm calm as I'm talking to. I'm like, what is you talking about? I'm out. I'm chilling. Like, I'm good. Like, what's going on? She was like, everybody keeps talking to me. I'm like, what is you?

I'm good. I'm straight. Right. Right. As I'm driving, she was like, you're like, you're in the McDonald's parking. The drive-thru right now. I was like, I'm good. I'm like, ain't none of that going on.

So I end up almost running out of gas. I end up almost running out of gas. And I got, I reached over and grabbed the AK-47, I let the window down. And when I let the window down, bogled behind me. I thought about it now, because I'm thinking I'm going to shoot enough

just to slow him down. And then I was like, no. The problem is you've got all these little tiny 15 months or eight months, 10 months sentence, five months. You don't have any idea. Right. How much trouble you're in right now. Right.

At least at the time, I ain't thinking. Do you? I mean, or do you think? No, no, no, no. You think they catch me? I get to hear. Is that what are you thinking? I'm a juvie.

That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, but they, that, that, they, that, they, that, they, that, they, that, they, they, that, they're a certain amount of passes before they say, I don't give a shit. How old you are, I found out. I found out. You're an adult. These are adult crimes. Bound. They call it, they call it, they call it, bounding you over.

Yeah, bound you over. So I ended up, I didn't let out no shots. I ended up jumping out of the car while I was rolling. And I take out running. And as I'm running, I got a lead on the police. It's two fences, two small fences. I leap one. And when I go to leap the other, my body shut down.

I'm literally laying. I thought I was paralyzed. I'm looking at the police run towards me. And I'm having a conversation with myself like, why can't I move? Like, I'm scared. I got an ounce of a white in my pocket. I'm knowing what was in the car, and I can't move nothing. And when the police got to the fence, he jumped the first, and he got to the fence,

and he was like, what's wrong? And I said, I can't move. He was like, I was like, I don't know. I said, I can't move. But you're not on drugs or anything? Nothing. What do you think? The adrenaline just crashed.

They took me to the hospital. They said I was low on potassium. They said, my body just shut down. They brought me some bananas and some water, and I jumped back. Literally, literally. True story, bro. But the police, they didn't want to touch me because they didn't. So they called ambulance.

And when they called amylans, the ambulance said for some reason they couldn't put me in the ambulance. So they ended up picking me up and just set me in the backseat of the police car. And my arm started moving just a little bit. And I took the white and pushed it down in the seat as far as I could. And they took me out, took me in the hospital. I'm laying there. They ran my blood. The police said that I was long potassium.

They gave me some bananas. I drunk some water. And I'm sitting there. There's police everywhere because everything that doesn't happen. They asked me all these questions. trying to do no talking and they rolled the guy by that I shot. He's butt up as they rolling by. They stopped him in front of my door.

Is that him? That's him. That's what they said. They said, is that the guy who shot you? And he said, I don't know who shot me. And when he said that, I'm trying. I got a, I said, well, I'm going to get on up out of here. I said that.

So by the time I say, I'm getting ready to leave, they were like, no, we got the guns. I was like, I was like, I didn't make my guns. They were like, well, who guns is? I said, the other person that was in the car. They said, who else was in the car? I said, I can't take it. They said, you jumped out of the drive side. We got the car.

When nobody, I said, they made my guns. They never charged me with the guns. Too sorry. They never charged me with the guns. What city is this? Springfield, Tennessee. This sounds like the city to commit crime. I'm dead.

I am dead serious. They never charged me with the gun. I got charged. I did. They didn't charge me with the gun, but I got charged with the attempt to murder. And I got a lawyer named George Duzain. He got a drop. down to aggravated assault said because it was below the waist.

They gave me three years for that, and then they gave me one year for the, they called a felony evading. I got four years probation. And then I got out, I was out eight months. That was, I did a year on the nose on that. Wait a minute. You got, you pled guilty. Because you go to trial.

I played guilty. I pled guilty to one count of. Aggravated assault. Okay. And was in charge. F felony evading for the high speed chase. And they gave you four years and you did one? I did four years.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. No, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you said it. You did, you got four years. I did a year on the nose and I came home on three years. A year on four years. Two-seven, two-served. No. Was that because you were? I was a juvie. I was a juvie. They bound me over.

It was basically my first, my first offense. But before that, I got to tell you about. this lick. Did you go to a juvenile prison or do you go to an adult prison? No, when they, well, when they called me, I was, I was 17, because this was the case they bound me over on. Okay. So I ended up doing a little time in juvite, then they bound it over, and then I stayed in

jail, whatever little time I had, and then I went home from jail. So I went to juvie and jail, because when they asked me at the hospital, they were like, you're going to jail. You know that. I was like, I ain't going to jail. They were like, oh, you're going to jail for this. Like, you can't take me to jail. They were like, why can't we can't take you to jail?

I said, I'm only 17. You can't take me to jail. You got to take me to jail. You call John. All my people who are watching me, they'll know what I'm talking about. That was my caseworker, John. But, yeah, that's the story before I did. I was home eight months and then the murder case.

But before that, before they attempt to murder, I had hit a lick robbery for $125,000 cash. This happened. I'm in high school. Right. I'm sitting in school suspension. And this guy walks up, I will say his name. We're cool. We're cool now, though.

We're cool. We're cool, too. So I'm sitting in school suspension. Everybody knows me at the time for robin. I kind of got a name for robin. And this guy walks with a white guy. And he was like, man, I want to hollet you about this leak. We're getting ready to hit.

I said, that was up, what's up? he said man it's look it's four of us he said there's a woman who can barely see and barely hear he said we from true story i don't doubt it he said he said there's a woman who can barely see barely hear he said and we already know that the money is there because they had already been stealing and robbing them for guns and so they ended up running across the safe stealing the guns that they were selling and i said that was how much money is it He was like, I don't want to tell you, I don't want to tell you right now. He said, but we're going to give you $5,000 a piece.

That's $20,000. Damn. I said, well, who is it? They wouldn't tell me who it was. He said, if you tell me the plan of work, he said, we're going to give you $5,000. I said, well, what's the plan? He said, bro, the door going to be unlocked. We're going to pull in.

We're going to walk in. Like normal people, he was like, do you think we need to wear a mask? He was like, because everybody in the neighborhood knows, we don't want to look suspect. He said, we're just going to go in the house. We're going to, he said, you turn, you walk in, you turn left. It's a closet right there. Under the blanket that's safe. We're going to get the safe.

Walk out. One of the guys is going to watch the lady. Two people going to pick it up. One person going to stay in the truck. We're going to do. I said, that's it's it's it's it. He was like, yeah. I said, that's the easiest robbery I've been in my life.

I was like, yeah, that'll work. That'll work. When y' y'all going to do it? I want my cut. So he was like, we're going to do it. He was like, I'm going to call it. I'll let you know. He was like, you sure that'll work.

I was like, yeah, just let me know when y'all do it. A couple of days or weeks or whatever go by. I'm asking, I'm asking. They ain't never do it. So one day I'm sitting in the bed, this kind of raining. I said, my phone rang. And he was like, man, you need to get up. He said, I need to go with us.

He was like, this is the perfect time because whatever was going. I guess today was aware of whatever. He was like, with my brother, who's the other guy who's supposed to be going to say, he was like, he ain't answering his phone. I think his phone dead or he was with their girl or whatever. He was like, we need you to be the full person. I already know the plan. But I had been telling my homeboys about it as far as how they told me.

But I don't know where it's at. I don't know. I just know how they explained it. So they drive to the house and get me. I call my homeboys and tell them, y'all go to the house. Because my plan initially was we're going to, y'all rob us when we get back with the safe. Right. So as we, as we, they pick me up.

They don't know I got a gun. We drive to the house. When we get to the house, this house is five, six minutes from where I live. Nice neighborhood. We literally bagged in the driveway. And I was like, I've been robbing the wrong way. Like, this is crazy. They bagged in, no maz, no gloves, no nothing.

They stepped out of the car, and I was like, they were like, come on. I'm like, this is crazy. So I got out, I'm walking the house with them. Nice house. I'm talking about Corv, they got all kind of stuff. We walk in, door and lock. Guy went over, closed the door up on the lady. She washing younger than restless.

We turned right there, boom, open the door, safe, move the blankets. I was like, just that easy? So we've been down, at that point, my mind racing. Like, how do I, I got a, like, what? We've been down to pick the safe up, and I said it was too heavy. I said, put it down. I said, it's too heavy.

I said, we can't get that. It's too heavy. y'all you have to go get your brother he was like nah boy i'm telling you we got it i said no i said we picked it up and drop it she here police doing it we're doing too i said just go get your brother we'll come right back he was like all right so we covered it back up close the door as we're walking out i'm texting my home boys don't don't do when we pull up y'all be over here at the basketball court let them pull off pick me up we're gonna they were like all right cool they drive me back to my mama house i get out they pull off i waved them off when they

pulled out, my homeboys pulled up in the truck, before they even stopped. I jumped in the back of the truck, put my hand on the window, open the window. He was like, what we were going? I said, turn his way, turn his way. I said, we get there. Me and you, we're going to pick up the safe. You, you go in, you watch

this woman, she's going to be over at this door. You sit in the truck. And as I'm driving, I'm explaining out of this. We drive, the back end, the same way they did. That they were comfortable, we're comfortable. We good. We, we ain't nobody. We're We back in this driveway, get out, walk in, same plan.

But this time, my little cousin, he sees they had up. I don't think it was a Harley. It was some kind of motorcycle they had. He grabbed the keys. He was like, man, I'm going to. I said, no, that ain't what we're here for. That ain't what we're here for. Put that down.

Leave that alone. We go. He watched the lady. We bend the corner, picked the safe up, put it in the truck, pulled off, put it in the house. I told them to drive back around to the basketball court. I sit there, wait a couple of minutes. They called me. We fend to come back.

We fend to pick you up. We got my brother. That was up. Cool. I'm going back a third time. They called. They called me. They were like, come outside.

So I come out. I come running. Gun on me. I'm knowing. Ain't none one of them got a gun. I get in the car. We drive down the street. Go back over there.

They back in again. We go in the house. But what we forgot to do was close the door. The closet door where the safe was at. So we go in, the brother, he kind of cocky, he walk in, and he go over by the door, and then he turned the corner of the cloud. He was like, he turned around. He was like, why would y'all, y'all left the closet door open?

Like, what are y'all doing? But he walking closer. And by the time he see the safe going, he said, he kind of started looking. And they were like, what he was like, the safe is gone. He started going off. I up the gun on everybody. Don't nobody move in here. Don't nobody move.

Don't nobody move until I get my cut. I don't know what y'all did with the safe. where it's there. What you got going on? What are y'all going on? Quit playing with me. And everybody ducking and, no, no, no, boo. I promised.

I said, no, y'all don't know. What y'all think this is. So I'm kind of going off and waving the gun at everybody. And we kind of calm down. They were like, men. Women's in the next room. She there. They said she could barely see and barely here.

I guess they told the truth. So we ended up leaving, getting in the car. We are going in the car. I got the gun out the whole time. They take me back to my mom's house. They pull off saying, we're going to find out who done it. I had my home boys. a pull up. They pull up. We're trying to crack it open. We couldn't get it open. One of my homeboys

was on probation. Well, my cousin was on probation, the one who owned the truck, with his daddy's truck. He had to go see his probation officer, and one of my, my other homeboy, he wanted to ride with him to the probation officer. I said, that was so cool. So he leaves, now he's on the two of us. My brother's upstairs. My daughter is upstairs. We cracked the safe open, just enough for me to get my hand in it. And it was a little box. I unhooked the box, reaching the box, is just enough to grab a little bit, and I pulled it out all $100,000. I pulled out about $30,000, all hundreds.

It scared me. I just dropped it. I just looked at the money, and I looked at my cousin, we both was like, I think we both felt like we're in trouble, more so than we rich. I think we were like, somebody had to come looking for this.

And then, so I ran upstairs. I went and got my brother. I was like, come downstairs, come down to stay. He was a big-time drill at the time. So we come down and he said, and he see the money, he was like, what you done did? I was like, and he grabbed the money. When he grabbed the money, my cousin pulled a gun out on my brother.

He was like, nah, you put that down. I said, whoa, hold on, hold on. He was like, no, he was like, he didn't go with us. He didn't get nothing. He was like, man, and my brother threw the money up in the area. He was like, we rich. So we ended up getting all the money out. It's $125,000 cash, all hundreds.

And they had a bunch of coins, like with blue books in them. Like, you can unfold them. And these coins would tell you the value. We didn't know what they were. We threw them away. I'm talking about stakes like this. Jars, Buffalo, I didn't know what Buffalo coins was. They had, I'm talking about thousands of coins,

thousands and thousands and thousands of coins. We just took it and threw it away. Then years later, they was like, them coins. And I can remember seeing the value of them corn. I remember it. I just were like, man, we're going to do. We don't want the coins. We want the money.

We threw out of the coins away. And I ended up giving my brother a majority. I gave my brother 60. I took 40. gave my little cousin 20 and then when they came we told them it was only like 3040 and we gave them like $25,000 a piece and then it came out in the news it came out in the newspaper how much money it was and people started wearing t-shirts and saying that they was going to get me. It started floating around it in my name that I'd done it but the four white guys ended up getting

charged and they started telling them it was me. They got charged for what? They didn't, for burglary, but they didn't steal it. anything or entering a they still paying their money back to this day oh my god true story two story well I talked to one of them but I'll tell you well man I ran across one on one when I came home and head a job and I didn't know he worked there until I was there for about two three weeks we ran across each other we was driving we were driving a college cherry pickle and I seen him he seen me and it you could feel the tension and somebody ended up saying something to him somebody and I was like man

tell him I want to talk to him because I don't know I don't know where you're mind is. And we ended up talking. And he jumped off the machine. He walked up to me and put this thing in my face. He said, man, I want to offer you for a long time. He was like, but I understand. He was like, I was just another pawn in your chest game.

And we had a conversation. He was like, but I don't even want nobody to know I got a job. He was like, bro, we still paying their money back. He was like, because of the entrance. Some, when you didn't pay it because of the interest or whatever the case may be. But, yeah, man, they tried to tell the police that it was. was me. I went down there and talked to the police willingly three times. I went down there. What did you just say? In the car. In the car that I bought with the code I had on, the first time

I went, the first time I went there with the money in my pocket. The first time I went in there, the detective told me, he said, I'm only just following up on all leads. He said, I don't believe you got it. He's like, it's impossible for you to have it. He was like, you don't know where they live. You don't know what time. You don't know what it's safe would be. You don't have no connection with the friend, how would you even know any of this information? He said, and we know they know because they were stealing them guns and selling them. He told me the whole case.

Oh, okay, so that's really what linked them because of the guns. Right. So they just threw that out. Nothing. What are they going to say? We've already sold this many guns. You got us on, oh yeah, and the safe. We did this, but not that. And so we went, we went back and forth, and he was like, you can go.

That was the first time. Second time, we went, it was a little pressure. Because he was like, They insisting that they called you that day and some text messages that day and this and this and that. I was like, man, there ain't nobody. I don't know nothing about none of that. I'm thinking he trying to scare me because I only text them that morning. That was the only time we ever text.

Other than that, there wasn't no phone connection to me. So when I left, I was kind of wary. But I didn't even tell the other people that was with me that I had been going down there to talk to the police. Because if I had it, I ain't going to lie. I was going to throw everybody under the bus. That's true. I was holding all the cars. If I got the butt

The third time I went He called me He was like I need you come down here again So I went down there He told me He was like

We're about to get the message He was like Is anything you want to tell me I said look I'm gonna be honest with you I said all I know I was I was sitting in Insule suspension

I said the guy name I said he came up to me And told me That they was going to get this safe And they was going to give me $20,000 a piece All I know is it All I know is it

All that stuff done broke out My name is in it I saw it in the newspaper And I still ain't got my That's all I know. That's all I know. And he was like, and I believe you. And I said, uh, what, I said, what I'm good to go?

He was like, yeah. He's it. He's already got his guys. They're already rolling over on each other left and right. And I, and I walked out. And he called me one last time. I was in my mama house. He called me.

He was like, Joe, he was like, he was like, I know you don't been down here a few time without. I was like, you do know I'm 17, right? He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I've been down there three times without my mom. I said, I didn't tell my mom. I said, my mama said next time I come down and she's going to file a lawsuit. Never heard from again.

It was over. It was over. It was done. It was done. But like I said, I was out. After that, you got the attempted murder. The attempted murder. You went.

You did, how many months? The year. A year. I did the year. Yeah, the first time I did, five months, five days. Second time I did, ten months. Second time I did a year on the nose. I got locked up November 16, 2005.

I got out November 16, 2006. Okay. 2007, July 27th, I got arrested for, special aggravated robbery, special ed, kidnapped, first degree premeditated murder and three counts of failing the murder. Well, what happened there? This is a tough one. This one, this one are hard to talk.

This one, this one kind of hard to talk about. A lot of my old, a lot of them stories, you know I was a kid. This one right here kind of sensitive. Why? Because you were an adult. You knew better? By this point? No.

Somebody lost their life, man. Right. Yeah, somebody lost their life. And at the time, I understand. I understand what at the time, that's just how we were living, if I want to be real. It took me probably two and a half years to even realize what had really happened. But this situation, man, I was living in Clarkville at the time. I was really good.

I ended up getting a call from one of my friends to serve. Clarkfield, Tennessee. It's about 45 minutes from Springfield. And one of my friends, Kyle, was going to good. How old were you? 18. 18. This is after, yeah, I'm 18. After you got out of prison. Yeah, yeah. Now, jail.

This is before I go to prison. Okay. Jail. So yeah, I'm 18, 19. Yeah, I'm 18 going on 19, I believe. And so he called me, he gets into it with this guy at the car wash. We call it the car wash. And they get into it about a girl, I think. He's trying to pume, pume somebody in the bullet, hit the ground, ricochade, and hit a girl in the neck. She lived.

So he's on the run for attempted murder. He called me, asking me for a place, can he come and stay with me while I'm in Clarville? Because it ain't the hometown. It ain't where we're from. So I'm like, yeah, you can come. So he come, a few days go by. He can't hustle. He can't get no money.

He's thinking about a lawyer. He thinks about bond. Think about what he going to do as far as if he get locked up. So he was like, man, would you go down there and hit a lick with me? Basically, would I go down there? That was my, that's what I did other than selling work here and there. You know, I robbed. So I was like, yeah, I'm with that.

I'm cool. Yeah, yeah, we can go down there and do that. He was like, who? I was like, I don't know. I was like, let me call. So I called my cousin, who's locked up now. Matter of fact, all the guys I got in trouble with, all of them locked up right now. I called my cousin.

I asked him, he was like, he said a guy's name. He was like, he's sitting under the tree. And when you're under the tree, basically, in the project, that's basically where everybody hustling it. I'm like, cool. I'm like, that's what we'll do. And he was like, bet. I was like, just keep an eye. and we're going to come down there.

So as we driving down, gun in the car, I'm driving here in the passenger seat. I ain't got no license. Police get behind us in this little city called Coopertown. We call them Cooper Troopers because it's hard to go through there and not get pulled over. The police hit the lights. They're behind us.

I'm thinking we're going to get pulled over. I asked my home, I'm like, do you want me to smash, run it? He was like, nah, he was like, just pull over. He was like, if they get me, he was like, I'm going to just go to jail. I'm thinking, cool. So I pull over, the police go around us and keep going. And I was like, dang.

So we drive to town. When we get there, pick up my cousin, he showed me where the guy was at. We picked up another guy. We ended up switching cars at one point, switching cars again. And we ended up coming up, coming up with this plan that we was going, where he at, where he's at, his car is on this side. So we're saying we're going to drop off one. This guy going to drive his car.

We're going to grab him and we're going to go to his house because we don't know. He probably ain't got a lot of, we're thinking we want everything. Right. So we do that. We end up getting out of the car, kidnapping, drive to his house. We get to his house. Bravest guy I think I'll ever see in my life. The guy you grabbed?

Yes. When we're standing there, he told us, he said, I'm not taking y'all in my house. He said, my kids is in there. He looked at the guy, well, the other guy that grabbed them. He was like, I'm not taking y'all in there. My kids is in there. At the time, I don't know.

I do believe he believed that, but at the time, I think he also realized we didn't know which one he lived in, too. He was aware. Because we had the keys, but we didn't know which one. Right. So when he said that, he turned to walk off. And when he turned to walk off,

my homeboy grabbed him on his shoulder, turned around, and he shot. He didn't know where he shot. He tried to shoot him in his leg. He ended up shooting him in his torso. So when he shot him in the torso, he gets down on the ground. Everybody takes out running. We get in the car. We pull out.

We don't know what happened until the next morning. And I heard my homeboy walking through the hallway, and he said, I didn't kill nobody. So when he said that, I rose up. He in the bathroom, I go downstairs. My little cousin is down there. on. He said he didn't make it. I said, y'all got to leave. We end up, I end up driving them back home. I don't drive the guy who pulled the trigger all the way home. I drive him halfway. He had somebody come pick him up. He wouldn't have turned itself in for the attempted.

Right. As we driving back home, the police called my phone. The same detectives had always caught me. We had a love-hate relationship. He told me how we'll get back to that. I answered the phone He was like I need you come there and talk to him I said about what He said I think you know what it's about I said I don't know what you're talking about

I don't know what you're talking about He was like no Not yet I said I ain't nothing to talk about I get out of the phone When I hang on the phone Go ahead How are they connecting you to this

I don't know how they did it Maybe somebody saw you guys grab Somebody somebody saw the car Okay To this day I don't have a clue How they How our name I take it back.

The girl that got hit, the guy that he was into it with, I think rumors were already connecting his name to things. And maybe his name came up and that happened that night and I don't know. But this guy just recently told me, I never knew this until maybe two months ago. He thought that he was supposed to be the one that we were coming to get. because I'm related to the guy he was trying to shoot the night when the girl and he thought we were coming to get.

So I don't know if it aspired from, oh, they were supposed to come and get me, but it ended up being, I don't know. But so when I hang up with the detective, he called my cousin phone while he in the car with me. And I'm looking over at him and I'm trying to read his body language to kind of see where he at with everything. And he'd get out of the phone. I was like, what do he say?

He was like, he wanted me to come down there and talk to him. I said, we can't do that. To go to Clarkville, you have to pass my mama house. So we had stopped that night after it happened and put the guns in a car that my mama wasn't using no more. I didn't know she had already found the guns and got rid of them. So by the time the police had called both of us, my mama started calling me, asking me what was going on.

And I was like, ain't nothing going on. I was like, I talked to quit calling me on his phone. And she just kept calling and kept calling and kept calling. I was like, I talk to you when I get there. I'm not knowing, because we double-key in the guy in the car with me. I'm not knowing my mama done went to his mama house. So when I drop him off, his mama takes him to the police department. I'm at my mama's house in the back yard on the swing she had.

So an hour ago by, I called. I'm like, what's going on? And she was like, he's still back there being interrogated. I said, tell his mama to go back here and get him, quit talking. She was like, why? If y'all had nothing to do it, then he ain't cool. I said he'd been back there too long. She hang up.

She's like, don't call me back. She hang up. Two hours go back. I call again. What's going on? She said he's still back there. I said this and I said,

go get him. Go back there and get him. She was like, no, I'm not, if y'all didn't have anything to do it, why are you so worried about? I said, you need to go back there and stop. Tell her to go back there. She hang up.

Three hours going by. He's still back there. Three and a half. They finally called. We're on our way home. I said, all right, because she asked me to come down and I'm not, I don't have anything to say to them.

They pulled up to the house. I got a gun on me. So he did come out. He did come out. Okay. He didn't get a red sign. Yeah, sure was. So we thought.

But he comes out. They come to the house. My mama had a red contour at the time. They pulled in. I'm sitting in the swing, so they pull in front of me. My mama's on the passenger. His mama driving. He gets out of.

Now, his mama on the passenger. my mama driving, he gets out behind the passenger door. So he's right in front of me when he opened the door. And when you open the door, I said, what you tell him? And he was like, I ain't tell him nothing. I said, let's walk to the store. His mama said, all y'all go in the jail? I pulled the, I kind of, I said, I ain't going nowhere.

I said, let's walk to the store because she was like, he ain't going nowhere with you. I said, he ain't got no choice. And my mom said, boo, I said, no, I just want to go to the store and talk. So we walk across the street to the store and I'm conflicted, just like you just said. That's a good sign. Right. I'm thinking he and her three and a half hours on a murder, kidnapping and robbery. If you said anything that incriminated you, if you said anything that you was there,

there ain't no way you standing in front of me. Ain't no way. So I asked him, I said, what did you tell him? What was you down there doing for three, three and a half hour? he said, and his first response was, I didn't tell him nothing about you. And I believed him because the police ain't came and got me yet. And I was like, well, what did you tell him?

Did you, he said, I blamed it all on the shooter. Right. And I said, so you say you was there? He was like, they said, they ain't worried about me. They said they want the gunman. I said, so you told them, he said, because I didn't tell them nothing about you. The shooter's going to.

I said I still I was like Ain't no way you He said I'm telling you He said you need to go down there And do the same thing

He said he said All they were saying was they wanted to shoot He said they even called the DA I said why you was in it He said they just want the shooter I was like All right This was July

24th When it happened July 27, hold on, June 24th when it happened, July 27th is when they came to get me. I'm thinking, you never went down?

No, never got arrested, never went and talked, nothing. And the guy that I'm telling you about, they went down there and talked first, started going with my ex-girlfriend. So I'm driving down the street one day, yeah.

Well, he's got a death wish, doesn't he? I mean, like, he's just one bad decision after another. Listen, it is, it gets worth. You don't, you don't seem to take kindly to people dating your ex-go. Man, listen, he was doing, he was just doing so much. It was, it was so weird because I'm like, that was June 24th. It's a month and a half almost, like, they ain't called me, they ain't. So I'm trying to talk.

He ain't answering his girl, my ex, telling him not to talk to me, and all this. And I'm like, I'm so confused. So I went and hired a lawyer out of Hendersonville named Bo Taylor. And Bo Taylor was the lawyer to the four white guys on the $125,000 case. Okay. I go in there and hiring him, not knowing that at the time. That's conflict of interest, didn't it? I pay him in $100 bills.

Okay. From the safe? Listen. Not from the safe, but I paid him in $100,000. Comes out later, he took offense to it. and went and told them that I was trying to run. Because I told him to file a motion for me to go to a job court, but he goes and tells the DA all kinds of craziness

and basically was going to help them get to me. So the day, he don't file these motions and told them that, he don't file these motions for me to go to job course. He calls me to see, I guess to see if I'm in my mama's house, telling me I'm going to come and get you so we can go to court. I'm like, cool, you pull them, come get my in the gym. Like me and Bo cool. Like everybody, Bo, Defend.

He lawyers for doughboys. Like, Bo name ring. Like, you want to pull up and come get me? It's cool. Bo, we can do that. So by that time, then the police called my mama's house phone. I'm sitting in the room. She come and knock on the door, cover the phone, and say, police on the phone.

So when she say that, my firefighters is saying, they're here. They're trying to make sure I'm in the house. They would have called my phone. So I grabbed the phone at the same time. I look out of the blinds and I see an unmarked car, no patrol cars. I said, oh, they're going to try to do it to me if I try to run. They're going to try to hit me this time. So I go out the back door to see if it's in the police in the back.

No police in the back. So I found out, I'm like, hello? And he was like, Joe, I think you need to come down there and talk to me. I was like, about what? He was like, you know what it's about. I was like, no, I don't. He was like, yeah, you know what it's about. I said, am I under arrest?

He was like, no, not yet. And I was like, when I'm not coming down now, I hang up. Because I'm debating him if I'm trying to run. I called my other homeboy that they drove the car, the other car. I called him. I said, have the police been to your house? He was like, no, why? I said, the police is in my house.

And he got quiet. It was awkward. I said, what's up, bro? he said you need to go down and talk to him I said for what he paused again he said they just left my house he said I told him anything

okay wait a minute hold on one second this isn't the still isn't the shooter no where's the shooter is in jail only attempt to murder he turned himself in oh he turned himself in oh that's right you said that you said that I'm sorry yeah you turned himself in yeah he turned himself in yeah he turned himself in on the attempt of murder

on the intent of murder not a yeah he ain't been charged yet He don't know what's going on. All this is happening, he hasn't been even spoken to. They're trying to build the whole case. Yep, he don't got a clue. And so when he was like, they just left my house. He said, I just told him everything. He said, they just want you to tell them.

He said the same thing. They just want the shooter. I said, why you didn't call and tell me? He tried to tell you the first time to go down. He's been trying to. This was the second dude. Oh, this is the driver. This is the driver.

This is the driver. To the other cars. It's four of us. But this is complicated. The shooter, the shooter locked up. Yeah, yeah. my cousin the one that was driving that was at the house when he said i ain't i ain't killed nobody he was downstairs then the other guy who was on the other street they drove the car and followed us okay

it's four of us okay okay yeah my bad is it is it that i mean it's a little complicated i'm i'm not saying names that's right that's right because i'm saying my home boy is identifying everybody okay okay well i'm a little slow i'm okay no you good you're good you ain't slow it out but But so when he say that, I hang up the phone and I walk in the house and I'm like, do I want to run or not? By that time, I'm in my room and I'm thinking, and I hear, boom, boom, boom, boom, I knew they was in the house. And they knocking on the door, boom, boom, boom, boom. So I opened the door, saw rifles in my face getting it. They grabbed me.

My mom standing right there. I looked up at the barrel of the rifle and he was like, you're under the rest. He read the charges, especially every day to rob, especially every kidnap. That first degree premeditated murder, three counts of filers. And I said, you ain't got nothing? He said, you're about to find out. They picked me up. They call a patrol car then.

They take me down to the police department. I get down there. I'm down here three hours. When I first get there, I ain't doing no talking at all. I don't want to talk to nobody. The only reason I'm at home is because I have a lawyer. I'm supposed to be a court. So I'm telling them, out the top, call Bow.

By the third time I say this, they tell me, we already talked to Bo. We probably We probably a little We're probably about 30, 40 minutes in They tell me they are I already talking to my lawyer I'm like Yeah, they were like

Yeah, we talked about You want to call him I'm like yeah We call him They call my lawyer Right there In the interrogation room On speaker

No audio running No no visual running Nothing They called Bo Bo said Joe Everything gonna be all right They just want to shoot her

Go ahead and talk I'll be down there A second Hang up My lawyer say this I looked and I was like that was weird and my lawyer

telling me this so I started giving them all kind of crazy stories never invocated myself and at that point they were like now every time I'm typing as I'm talking never incriminate me I don't know everything I'm saying is around

and every time they would nope that ain't it they would throw it away boom it ain't nothing nope that ain't it until I said I had the AK 47 they was like oh This is the one

You can sign this Boom I signed it I ended up I go to the county When I get to the county They put me in the same unit Where he at For the 10th murder

Then I found out He had been charged that morning Why they was coming to charge me They charged him too They put me in a cell With this guy I can't remember his name But as soon as I go in

I tell him He introduced himself And I tell him my name I'm like I'm boo And his eyes got big He was like Boo Baker And I'm like yeah He was like man

And he started saying my case. He started saying facts about the situation. I took my hand and covered up the mic. I said, who told you that? Because at this point, you get easier to say I told you this. Because what he was saying was true. And I was like, who told you? He was like, you're talking down there doing story time every night.

What? He was like, yeah, he'd be down there telling it. I said, oh, no. I said, you can't be in and sell me. Like, can't nobody be in a cell with me. to know any kind of information like it to tell the DA that I told him, man, that ain't going to happen. I said, so when we go out for Rick, I said, I'm not coming back in the cell.

And just, they call Rick. I go down there and talk to this dude, man, and I'm like, man, what is you doing? He was like, man, we're going to be all right. We're cool. And the look of his eye just made me feel like he was cool with me being there. I said, man, you act like you're happy. I'm here. And his response was, after all you done got away, boo, you should have been down here.

That's what he told me. I said, I'm going to play crazy. He was like, that ain't going to work. I said, well, we're about to find out. And when they told us to go back in the cell, I started playing crazy. I said, I ain't going back in the cell. So they end up taking me to the observation cell where this happened. You were in the observation cell?

Not when this happened. This is how I ended up getting to the observation. They moved me from B. They moved me from W to B. And then when they moved me to B, I tricked them in the brain of me a razor. And then this happened. Okay. After this happened, this isn't a real temp.

No, no, no, no. After this happened, they take. me to the observation cell, which is where intake is at, which is where I caught the escape on the murder case. Okay. As I'm in intake, I can see the control buttons because it's clear. It's open. I can see, I can hear, there's two doors you got to go through that's just push doors,

and then you got the door that they got to hit the button for you. Go in. They're supposed to close security, you know. Then the other door. so you can go out to Sallyport. Sallyport. So I'm peeping all of this is what's going on. And, of course, they don't call a mobile crisis,

so they got me taking medication and all this whole stuff. So I'm trying to figure out how to pull this off. And just so what happened, I'm flooding my cell a lot. I'm acting a fool while I'm kicking the door. And there was a lady. I can say her name. We got Ms. Hubert. Ms. Hubert used to let me out of the cell, basically, to keep me calm.

So she let me out of the cell, and I'm cleaning. one day and as I'm cleaning, a guy comes in and she was like, you got to go back in the cell, let me get him processed here, I'm going to let you back out. But when she closed the door, she didn't lock it. She just pushed it up. She was, I'm going to let you back out and she walked off. And my thought was, cut the lights off, lay down that Glock you sleep. So I did just that.

Boom, cut the lights off. I lay down. I'm chilling. After that, when, after she got him processed in, and I'm laying there, the med, the med, all happened. So the med cart coming around, I hear it, but I ain't, I ain't thinking because I'm thinking she comes around, she pulls it, she goes and the door's unlocked, and she goes off immediately. Who left Baker's door unlock? Everybody knows he's a fly risk, he's a high risk, inmate, all this,

and this and that, and she just goes crazy. And they was like, it's a mistake. We was going to let him back out. He was cleaning, whatever, whatever. She was like, now y'all can't do this with Baker. So she ended up locking the door, and I'm thinking, dang, I'll never get that opportunity again. two, three days go back. I flood the cell. And as I'm flooding the cell, the captain of the jail at the time is my cousin. So,

first of all, do you know what flooding the cell is? It's what? You stuffed the sink or the toilet with paper and then, you know what? The only reason I know that is because we never posted this video. You had Bozziak were reviewing the Mr. Beast locked in jail. And someone in that video was doing that.

And you know what's, yeah, before. That's funny. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm flooding the cell. They don't know.

They don't know I'm flooding it because what I did was I clawed the door. Yeah. And I just flooded and let it get up. And then I moved it and then just. Yeah. So when out of water came out of the water, the two lady officers, they looking over him. And the guy officer, he, he mad. He come over.

He unlocks the door. He basically was ready to fight me at the time. You know what the thing. They got the chair. They lock you up in the chair. They put the mask on you. He was like, I'm going in a chair. And I was like, man, I ain't going in the chair.

He was like, oh, you're going in the chair. And I was like, you know what cool? I was going to go in the chair. So they put one handcuff on me. And when he put me on, I was like, nah, if he put me in that chair, they're going to leave me in there for hours this time. Because they didn't do it before. I was like, I ain't doing that.

Not tonight. And I was like, man, get out of me. I was like, I ain't going. I was like, I ain't going in the chair. And when I yanked away, he took it. You know, that's almost basically assault on the officer. Right. Yeah.

When I drank the way, he was like, oh, so what, he kind of grasped in his water. So we kind of tussling, he slips in the water in the boots. He goes down. When he go down, the other person, I kind of put, could I go down with him, and I pushed off his chest, and I raised, I raised up. The other officer, we're getting ready to go at it. My cousin comes through the door, he getting up off the ground. He getting ready to punch me. And my cousin said, if you hit him, you're going to, I'm walking you right out of here.

And I started laughing. And I said, yeah, what are you going to do? And I still got the cuff hanging off. up me and I was like tell him take this out for me because he was like what's going on and I was like man they're trying to put me in the chair I was like he was like no why is all this water in here like you're trying to blame my officers he was like he was like sit down and he told me to sit down and he leaned in he said you know what you're full of motion than a turkey on Thanksgiving because he said what's you trying to do I said I ain't trying to do nothing I said what you think I'm trying to

run he's like I don't know are you I said I tell you what I said your officers done tried to let me out of here before. I said, next time they try to let me out of here, I'm going to run. And I was lying at that. I said, next time they tell me I go, I said, I'm going to leave. And he said, if I get a call and they tell me, you're going, I'm going to fire that entire shift. I said, all right. He said, I'm telling you. Watch and see what I tell you. Two days went back. It might even, it might even been two days. I was out cleaning. She let me out to clean. A guy come in. And soon as he came in, he was, I ain't going in no hotel. I'm about to make bomb. My people followed us up here. My people outside right now. And she told me, she said,

said step in the cell let me get him processed in i'm gonna let you back out she closed the door the exact same time i turned the light off took my clothes out lay down by this time i'm watching him do all this yelling i'm knowing his people out here because the ladies kept saying they are here you want me to buzz them in and she was like yeah you can let them in so by that time i heard a cart i raised up soon as she hit the corner i said i don't need my miss i'm good she was like you sure i said yeah i don't want them and she turned around and when she i laid back down by the time that shift left and third shift came in. I guess they went around the corner and they were checking.

I lift my hands under the door and barely pushed it, made sure, and I closed it back up. And I just sit there. And by the time they went, he was getting ready to come out. I heard a call his name. They went, open the door. When he came on, he said, man, I told y'all I was making bond. I'm hoping it was somebody I knew so I can kind of tell him,

look, I'm fin of bust the move, get out of the way. But by that time, I'm watching, I hear the guy say, you want me to, the woman say you want me to buzz them in. It's a guy sitting in two women in the cage. He said, yeah, go ahead and buzz them in. And I heard, um, clah. I knew it was one door. And she buzzed them both.

And I rose up. After I was tripping. And I looked at the door and I was kind of looking around. And they all turned and saw me because I get my shadow, it's dark. They seen me standing in the door. They all turned, wade off, wade, wade. waves and he was talking crazy and I was like

she buzzed both of the doors I know I ain't tripping and I just barely tap the door boom the door swung open the door swing this way so I got to come out push the door go over and then so the door swing

the guy turned around like everything started moving in slow motion like he turned they turned his lips he said I was gone I came through the door boom boom by the time I came out the door

and getting ready to go to the door outside, whoever his people was, she was like, oh my God, I pushed her out the way and took out running downhill. I started tumbling. And I bounced up. And when I bounced up,

I turned around, and the officer who was sitting there and told him, Buzzman, he was standing at the top of the hill. He said the same thing. Every person who ever chased me, said, Joe, don't do it. And so, sir, your job is gone.

I turned around and ran across the street. It's a neighborhood over called Indian Hills when my home boys lit over. But I didn't go straight there. It was a car. Another one my, well, he was more so in my brother's, him and my brother was cool. But his car door was unlocked. I got in the car and laid down in the dad wore for a pot of two, three hours until I seen the sun start coming up. By the time the sun started coming up, I rose up a little bit, got out of the car, ran to the house.

I knew when my homeboy kept the kid. I went in, took a shower, brushed my teeth with his teeth, toothbrush, washed my face, got on the outfit, and I just laid it in his bed. I just laid down and I was like, what am I about to do? I couldn't, I couldn't even believe that it happened. I got the newspaper clipping too. He did exactly what he said. He fired him out. What happened when your buddy came home?

Did he come home and you were in this? No, no, no, no, no, no. I ended up, as I'm in the house, they don't know. I'm in here. I don't know the police has already been there in search, neither. Oh, came there looking for me. So when I come out of the house, I can go up the driveway and his little brother room is upstairs. So I'm coming out of the house. They're not knowing I'm in, and I knock on his window outside of the house. And somebody kept looking out of the blinds and I'm like, come downstairs. So I did that three times, and I'm going back and going

back in the house. They don't know I'm in here. So they're thinking, so about a third time, I'm like, why they ain't come downstairs? So at this one, I'm like, this was up. I go up the steps in the house. And the door to go in the living room, it was locked. I tapped on the door. And his dad, he was like, who is that? I said, man, it's boo.

He was like, I don't know how you got in here. He said, but he said, you can't stay. He said, you got to go. He said, they already then came over in search. And he was on papers at the time for a murder charge, the guy. Right, right. And he was like, you can't stay. But by that time, they unlocked.

the door, I'm looking around and I'm wondering, where's the little brother that I kept telling come down and unlock the door? My ex-girlfriend come from around the corner. That's who was looking at the window. Oh, okay. The little brother ain't even there. I said, what you? What?

I said, I need a ride. Somebody take me to New Medical, which is where my cousin, Jeffrey Lille, I'd say his name. And she was like, I'll take him. She ended up taking me. And we went and picked up. My little cousin, the little brother. And the brother that you asking me, we picked up both of them. And we were right.

They was asking me what I was going to do or whatever. And I ended up going to Clarkville. And when I got the Clarkville, I'm sitting on the back patio with this girl I know. Her brother pulls up. He knows me too. Everybody knew we had been on the news, newspaper, everything. He pulled up. He walked up the stairs and he just jumped.

He was like, how you? I said, I made bond. what he said He said He said it was a half million dollar bond I said I had a bond reduction here And they dropped mine He was like

And what about I said they ain't I said they ain't drop it I said they dropped mine He was like oh Okay And he was like you hungry I'm thinking ready cook

I'm like no appetite He'd go in the house He ain't in there 15 20 seconds I'm breaking news For the escape He comes right back out He said boo

I looked He said I thought you I said, he was like, well, you good, you good, you good, you good, you good. And he was like, you sure you ain't home? I said, nah, I said, I ain't hung. I said, I'm going to get some sleep. I'm going to say, I'm going to go to Virginia in the morning. He was like, all, cool, you're like, you can go in there and lay down.

I went in there, lay down. Next day, you know, the little brother shook me. By the time I raised up, he was at the bedroom door. He said, boo, he said, I'm sorry. He said, they got the house around it. And he ran, and he took out running. I'm already thinking I said they must knew he had, once he out of the house, anybody else is going to be an issue.

So I got up and I'm sitting. As soon as I heard the dough close, boom, the detective got on the bullhorn. He said, Baker, we know you're in the house. We don't want you hurt. We don't know about, we don't want nobody else to get hurt. We just want you to come out of the house. The phone ringing at the time, I'm thinking, it's got to be them. So I wait for it to start ringing.

I get on the phone. I call my family because I'm basically about to get. go ahead and make them do it to me. I'm like, this is life in prison. Like, I'll never see daylight again. It's just, it's just not going to happen. So I'm crawling around the house, and I'm, for some reason,

I'm still psyched out in my mind thinking, maybe I can escape this too. I ain't knowing the nature of really what's going on outside. So I take my hands and put them under the blinds so they can see my hands, and then I put my head under the blind, because I'm trying to see. News Channel 4, News Channel 4,

News Channel Fox is out here. They got mobile crisis. They got helicopters. There's police everywhere. And I'm like, it's over. Like, ain't no way I'm getting out of this. His mama, the girl mama at the house, took Seraquil. I had never took Sariquil at the time, but I knew people in jail who it took Sariquil to go to sleep.

So I was like, man, I'm just going to take a bunch of Seraquil by the time. They do come in here and get me, I'll be sleep. I'll go and wake up and realize I'm in jail. But it's cool. But so I crawl in there and I take some Seraquil. Of course, I go back and forward with the officer, and then I'm thinking I need to see the back part of the house. So when he called me on the phone, I was like, I'm thirsty. He was like, well, love, he was like, you can go to the back.

He was like, the blinds is open. He was like, you can go in the refrigerator. I'll make sure I tell nobody not to shoot. I was like, cool. So I go, I open the refrigerator, grab a Rube, or R.C. And he was like, and look to your left. And I looked. And he was standing there with the bullhorn.

He waved and he told me his name and this, this and that. And he was like, I really don't want you to get him. her he was like but we can't do this all day and i was like i'm gonna make another call and i call my girlfriend at the time who was in virginia where i was gonna try to go and i told her what i was about to make them do and i guess they in they i don't know i guess they got the call and they called the person back that i called and then they called me on three way with her and she was just telling me how selfish it was and i had a daughter and it is and and she basically talked me down and at that point they It was like, just get out on the ground.

We're going to come in. And I was like, cool. So I lay down. Next day, I don't know what they threw on. I don't know if it was a flash bomb or what. Like, they came in and it was insane. It was moving. And they picked me up hogtabed me, carried me out.

When they carried me out, they threw me down on the ground. And then, now, then they threw the flash bomb. They threw the flash bomb. And I remember thinking, who paying for these people's damages? Like, why are you throwing bombs at these people's house? But then by the time they went in. and there were nobody in there. They got me and they walked me into the police car,

and the police reporters were running up to the car. Like putting them out, like, how did you get out of the jail? How did you get out of the jail? And I was like, they let me out. They let me out. By this time, I'm in the car. They drive me down. The circle and I were kicking in.

I'm woozy. Now, I took four or five of them. I don't even know the milligram. And I had never been high, so I was out of it. So I'm getting out of it. And I couldn't even walk. When they opened the door, I couldn't even walk. They was like, what's wrong?

I was scared. So I was like, they were like, Did you take some? I'm like, yeah, I don't know what it was, but I know it's very quick. So they give me this little brown cup of whatever it is. You swallow it, make it through it instantly. Oh. Yeah, yeah.

They gave me that. I took it because I was scared out. Like, I could barely walk. Like, they was carrying me. So I drank it. And I threw up three seconds. It was like, everything on my stomach came up. So I'm sitting there.

I know the charges. And I'm like, it's over. Like, this is, this is it. And two detectives came. They came and they opened and said, And they was like, you know what we're here, don't you? I said, yeah, I don't know exactly right here. They were like, well, tell us who did it.

I said, they getting in trouble? They was like, oh, probably not. Are they getting in trouble? Yeah, but they ain't talking about the case. They're talking about who letting me at the jail. Oh, okay. So I'm like, they're getting in. He was like, nah, they probably just, they probably just going to lose their job.

They're not going to get charged and nothing. I said, well, if anybody's going to get charged, then if I can't get somebody in trouble, with me right now. I'm trying to take whoever down at this point. No, I said, I said, there's nobody let me out. I said,

it was an honest slip up, though. It really was. Yeah, yeah. It was a honest slip up. Yeah, it was honest.

And, you know, you're waiting for the perfect, like that, that, the, that perfect moment, you know,

may not have come, you know, you just, you waited, waited and waited, and waited, and you let one opportunity slip. Yeah,

I did. It was a perfect, it was a perfect. It was, man. And then I ended up, they put an emergency transfer on me. I was in prison before I got sentenced. They put me on what they call safekeeping.

The 19, well, where I'm from is called a 19th district. Did no jail want to hold me because of that situation. So they put emergency transfer on them and hold me as a maximum security inmate until my case was resolved. Oh, that sucks. I did two years and some change on max. But as I'm in there, I'm fine lawyers right out of the left. because they're trying to use that statement against me, the little bit that I did incriminate myself.

I'm telling them no. Like my lawyer. And they was like, I didn't have the receipt. And Bo Taylor wasn't, I guess they were telling me they were trying to get in touch with him, but I guess he wouldn't talk to him. And I ended up getting this lawyer named, Zodabelle, Nashville, Tennessee, man. Did I still know that number by heart? 2-44-1-1-1-1-1.

Listen, that woman, man, I was, I was, I was, I was wrong for what I did, most definitely. She came in, I told her what happened. When I was down there, I was like, I don't have a receipt. I was like, I ain't, she was like, you ain't worry about that. Because I told her, I said, he filed a motion for me to go to court. Like, he was coming to get me. I said, what sense did it make no video, no audio for me to be in a three and a half hour

interrogation and not ask for my lawyer that I just got out of the phone with? I've been in trouble all of my life. I was like, she was like, I tell you, well, don't worry, but I'm going to get my investigator on it. She went and got that. She said, the first mistake is she said, after they signed, what I guess the affidavit to arrest me, she said, they never should have questioned you in a way.

You should have went straight to the jail. And she said, not only that, when they got that, they knew you had a lawyer and a court case pending, so they knew you had representation. So they shouldn't talk to you? She said, they should have took you. She said, the first thing they did was they proved what time they picked me up,

what time I got. what time they picked me up and what time I got to the jail. She said there was a three-hour gap. So she ended up talking to the police officer, the patrol car, asking them, where did you take them? They didn't have it in the law book, but he told him that he took me to the jail. Because how is it that you arrest me at 10,

and I don't get to the jail of four? Right. So she ended up getting that gap, and then she ended up, whatever happened with Bo Taylor, I don't know he ended up telling him, I thought she ended up telling me that he was going to lose his license at the bar. And before you knew it, it went from 22 years

to 10 years sentence. And she was like, I could go in there. This is what she told me. Because we could have beat it. I could have walked free. I went to court. She came in, and I asked, I said, well, none of my family there. I knew I was wrong. At this point, I don't, I understood not just that case, but everything I had done

at that point. And I said, who? I said, who I said, I said, no, they offer me 15. She said, right now they're coming down to 15. I said, no, tell them I'll take her 8. Or was it 12? She said, I said, tell them I'll take her 8. She went out there and he said, 12.

She came back and she said, I told them, split the difference to do 10. And then I asked her, I was like, man, it's my family out there. And she was like, no, ain't nobody out there. She was like, Joe, you need to take this. She was like, y'all got away. She was like, this is, to them, you won. This is a win. And she was like, and you know you, she was like, you were there. You done it. She was like, take this 10, do that time and do something with your life. And I signed it. I signed it, went in.

How old were you? Just turned 19. It doesn't see, I feel like a year went by. It's been three days. No. But it's been, it's been a few months. Yeah. But it seems like. Just turned 19. I just turned 19. And that's still just scratching the surface as far as stories on the streets. And then getting a prison, my dad was, he was retired at the time as far as GD. But my daddy was what they called a nine-tray. What does that mean? Well, it's basically the head of the Gs. And so by the time I, but he had retired at the time.

So by the time I get there, I'm thinking, that's some form of protection and some form. He was basically a made man. Like, I'm not going to have to go in with the kind of issues that most people probably they worry about. I'm going to kind of go in with Joe T, my daddy. Right. What is the charge that you... Oh, they dropped it down. What I signed for was a, which wasn't even a charge, which wasn't even a real charge. They tried me with attempt to commit robbery. Okay. Yeah, I ended up, I got attempt to commit, let me make sure I'm saying, right, attempt to commit special aggravated robbery.

I got 10 years and then they gave me one year for the escape. Okay. And I went to trial on the escape. I tried to beat them. I did. They wouldn't bring the officers in. They said they couldn't get in touch with him and this, isn't that? And yeah, I went to trial on it. They could have gave me five years four, but when we split the difference, she said, you know, if he do, they can give you the, now, I think the max because of my range was two years. And when she told me that, that's why I said, let's just go to trial.

But when they gave me the 10, she said that they'll stack, they'll put the one on it and get you at 11, 11 years and 30%. And then I had already done two years and three months, so she was like, you could see the board at three years and four months. I'm thinking, sure, cool, I got some time on my, and go in and get parole, but they made me do the whole 10. So with the good time, though, so you ended up doing what, 7, 8? I did the whole 10.

I went in in 2007 and got out 2017. Oh, wow. Yeah, they took the majority of the jail time because I was still on the four years paper. They took that and satisfied the four years. Okay. The papers. You know, every state's different.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I'm always trying to relate it to how it would work in the feds. I do the same way. But, you know, and then I'll talk to somebody who get, you know, we have guys that got like, you know, 20 years. And you're like, 20 years. They're like, so like three years later, I get out. What?

Yeah. You know, it's like, no, it's a nonviolent crime. Right. You know, half your time plus 70% good time. And you're like, oh my God. You know, some states are. I think what states like that? Shrinker.

No, a guy named Shrinker got like 20-something years. He did like three. Like, what the fuck? That's insane. Yeah. So 10 years. Yeah, they took that, yeah, they took my jail time, satisfied the probation that I was on for the attempted murder case. And then I started fresh.

And because of the escape charge, when I went in, as far as when they do custody levels in the state, my points were so high. So I was only getting six days a month when I first went in. I wasn't getting a lot of good time. And then it took five to seven years for the escape. fall out before I can get to a minimum or it's a minimum or close, which means I can get 12 days or 16 days a month. I never was able to get that. The guy who pulled the trigger got out of prison before me.

What about your dad? So did you, you said you ended up with your dad? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I first got there, they sent me to the worst prison in the state, which was Northwest. I didn't stay there long. And my dad, well, the prison with my dad was. that the guy who was the warden at the time was an officer at one point of time at the prison when my daddy was at.

He never told him. I think him and my dad and he used to bring my dad and stuff. But when I got into the system, my brother was there too. Me and my dad was the same prison. I'm going to tell him. So I guess the warden ended up doing him a favor, I guess. They moved me from Northwest to Turner Center. But I'm on close because my points are high.

So I got like two, three months. I got to do on clothes before I get to the compound. While I'm back here waiting to come to the compound, my daddy gets in trouble because they're running tobacco, the pounds of tobacco, all kinds of stuff. And I'm getting ready to get out. This happened two, three weeks before I'm getting ready to get out. So they're going to move him to another prison. He comes to the hole while I'm back here because the closest is in the hole, too.

And I hadn't seen my daddy in years at the time. So the first time I see my daddy from a distance was going to the hole. So he'd already sent me a cell phone. back there on close and everything. So we used to talk before all that stuff happened. But so I go to the compound and my brother's there. So I get my brother moved to the unit where I'm at. My daddy finally gets out of the hole.

He's in the unit with us. When my daddy worked at is how they was getting the tobacco in, his supervisor. I can't remember what kind of job it was, but they were getting packages sent in his name and he didn't know. Man, he was sending his clerks to get his mail, and they didn't run his mail. So they just running, they're going down there and getting it.

He's not knowing. And they were running pounds of tobacco. So we used to go down there to a supervisor. Me and my brother, we'd just be sitting down there chilling. And we ended up getting into it real bed. One day, I wanted to get some things out of my chest, because I feel like he was responsible for a lot of things. And he would say that he would say that he would rather

do it for us or get it for us because somebody was going to do it anyway but we're we're here all three of us like we're here so um they did end up moved my dad to another prison um i was established in prison at that point i probably wasn't even there a year i already had a girl on somebody list being a mule bringing in stuff i was good i had a phone and then i had my brother in the cell with me and we got the fight and it was bad and it was because i got black tar you're familiar with that i got black tar in the cell tobacco white that cell phone i got an imp3 he's this is this is this is a powder ke he don't want to be involved at all right your brother wants he's getting ready to go home yeah oh yeah he only got he only got about six seven months but yeah he needs to be another cell but and he was also

still treat me like the baby. He was still trying to look board me to an extent. And we had my daddy Boombox. When he got shit, we still had the radio. And he was playing the music real loud through Count time. And I'm like, no. And he was like, I can listen to the radio. I'm like, well, if they come here and you're taking all these charges.

You take me charge for everything. If they come in and find something, he was like, I ain't taking no charge from you. I'm like, bro, I got seven, eight years left. I'm going to ask you to turn down the radio during counting me no. and then saying, you're going to go home in six months. Like, no. And he plugged the radio back up. And before you knew it, I kind of blacked out.

And the police, they caught us fighting, and they separated. I hit him on the bottom of the hill, and I was on top of the hill. I didn't see him the rest of my sentence. I didn't even check on them. I think I was preparing my mental to do it without him there. And, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I moved in the cell with my guy, which he used to go to visit him,

stuff back too. And that ran for about a year or two. I was GD. at the time. I ended up getting out of GD, which was a blessing they wanted to do. They wanted to kill me too. And that happened. I ended up getting out of GD because this had. We got time? We got plenty of time. Yeah, we're not. All right. Okay. You good? So the Gs, this is what happened. I had lost my phone. It was a girl coming to see me And it was another guy Who was talking to her on the streets and found out she was talking to me So he called the prison and told him I had the phone

I'm thinking she's on the way to see me But they was tricking me to have me on the phone So when the police come in and catch me So I'm sitting in and saying to her, the police running, boom They get the phone I ain't have a phone anymore It's a new dude come in, T. Roy from Knoxville I introduce him

Because a lot of time when people first time in penitentiary just like me, when they see a cell, I won't blow their mind. So me and him got cool. We had been working out together, and I pulled him in the cell one day. I was like, man, you won't use the phone? Penitentiary rules. I showed him the phone. And he was like, he was like, do it work?

I'm like, yeah, here, take it. He didn't want to touch it. I'm like, here to take it. You call. I wouldn't know. Ah, bro, I got enough problems. So he ended up called, making long story short, I end up telling him that the phones were, I think I told him they were five

When really, now I told him there was a thousand When really it was 500 So I tell him I put five You put five We'll go get a phone We'll split it We'll go every other night

When really he paid for the whole phone Right So when he paid for the phone We're going every other night It's cool But I ended up getting into it With the girl that I was going to And that's the worst time you could do

When you're just like It's like going through a breakup While you're at work When you get into it What you get You might just go crazy So I ended up Not giving him the phone

Two or three nights in a row And by this time He would they call a friend to the folks. He go and tell the folks like me and Jotee did some business and he ain't covering his end or the bargain. He ain't, he ain't GD business or I don't even have to admit to that.

I can say I don't know what he's talking about and that's exactly how it went. So by the time I tell them that they run it up to some higher-ups, the number one is coming to talk to me. I'm like, how did it even get to him? Like that shouldn't even happen. And he told him out here 72 hours to get a phone back. when he do that i said okay i'll tell you what i my celly at the time we was doing a green dot you call the numbers and check them and all that those though so i tell him i said this is what we're

going to do i said i'm going to get that money i'm going to get the security at the time of gd i said i'm going to get him to come up here i said i'm going to put the phone on speaker and will use their phone you're going to take because they they're trying to take the phone from me so i got my cell somewhere else with the phone but where he at he can see i sell though i tell him when you see that door pop open, you call and you pull them numbers out. Because what I'm going to do is I'm going to get the security to check the numbers. And when he played on the speaker and heard that the numbers is on there, I'm going to pop the door, you take the numbers off.

I'm going to leave out with them. They're going to be able to say I took it. Because my alibi is going to be, I was with you. How did I take them? You checked them. It was cool. Just so happened when I popped the door, he pulled the numbers off. I get the money back.

They call Rick on the small yard. So when they call Rick, the Gs don't go out by their cell. I go out with the Gs. I ain't touched no phone. I've been with them. I got alibi. I'm cool. By the time we come back in, all the Gs who didn't go outside is standing by my door.

And they call on my name. And the security, big guy. And they were like, Joe T, come up here. And I ain't like how he was talking to him. I'm like, what's up? We're going to sell, me and him. We get into a real tough day. They were like, man, you got them.

I was like, how did I get the money? And the other Gs who was outside with me and saying, ain't no way Jotie took the money. He was outside with us the whole time. Like, soon as that happened, he was like, I'm telling y'all, Joe T, he couldn't prove it. I said, you're taking the word of opposition over me. There's no way for you to prove.

I said, I ain't got the money. One of my old sellers come in the cell, he's GD. He said, man, y'all step out of the cell, let me talk to him. And we get to talking. I'm talking to him, he talking about weak and version. We're having the conversation. He said, Joe T, you got that money. He said, I know you.

He said, I've been in the cell with you. He said, you're slick. He said, I'm going to talk to him. He said, just give them the money back. Ain't nothing going to happen. I said, I ain't got that money. I do you try and keep me to sit. He said, Joe T, you got the money.

He said, I'm telling you, dang, I ain't going to let them do nothing until you. Just give him the money back. I said, you're going to let him do nothing. He said, I told you, you got it. I said, what's up? So I end up getting the money back, and I got in trouble. I got what they call a six-minute, no cover. They charged me with what they call it disrupting the organization.

in unity, which is really they can, they can sing you the PC forward and strip you, period. I could have got smashed, what they smashed out. So I end up getting a write-up. They get me a six-minute no-cover. I got to fight three people at one time, one person rotating for six minutes straight. I'm in a corner.

Colby's heard me say this. 30 seconds in a fight is exhausting. Exhausting. Right. 15 seconds. I'd say the longest fight I ever saw was two guys, fighting for probably a minute or two. Like it went on forever because they were fighting like, I mean, we're talking about

it went, it went like up the stairs on the second tier, like down. Like these guys are fighting down this like, and they're stopping and breathing and hit each other. And it went on for probably a minute. And it was. I bet. I bet. I bet it felt like they got hit by a bull. No, I can't imagine.

And this is one-on-one, by the way. This is two guys. Yeah, this is six. This is three people. one person rotating that they call fresh hands, which means if one of them get tired, they rotate the fresh hands in. And so it's one in front of me,

one on the left, one on the right, and then, of course, the one out to the side, and then you got the other guy over here who's keeping the time. And when he said time, I'm thinking, because they got a match with people who are my size. I'm thinking, I might, I might, I might. I'm psyched myself out.

I might and pull it off. And it wasn't probably, it wasn't even a minute in. And I kept trying to go down, and they kept telling me to stand up, and the guy on the left caught me in the temple, knocked me over the toilet. I'm there, but I'm knocked out. I can hear what's going on, but I'm gone. And at this point, it's face shots and there.

I couldn't even, like, they were literally holding me up to finish the six minutes, like literally just beating me. And after it was over, they was all walking out, shaking my hands. And I didn't shake my hand. And I didn't, I didn't do it. drugs in prison. I sold them. And my thoughts at that time was I'm getting I'm getting this stuff late. I'm going to take every one of these people out. I'm going to get them back somehow. And they walked out and was shaking my hand. And I was like, man, somebody called on mom.

Tell her, I'm set. I'm ready to go. She can pick me up. I'm tired of shooting ball. And they was like, I don't think, bro, I. And I was playing. And I rose out. I was like, and I was like, and I remember the thing. I'm like, and I'm eating noodles at night. And my face was leaning. I couldn't feel it. And my cellar said, he said, you, you good, Selling? I said, yeah, I'm straight. Why was up? He said, you're face? He said, look in the mirror. And I was literally hanging.

And I couldn't feel it. And I went. Did you have a stroke? I had a pinch nerve. It was what they told me. Okay. Yeah. And they gave me a shot in my butt. And it, and it instantly, I had a pensionary. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, yeah. But that was the beginning of me

wanting to walk away from GDN. And it wasn't just that I started disagreeing with GD and the nation. I'm a grown man. I just couldn't really understand and grasp that somebody else had my life and they had power with me and could tell me what to do. I ain't never been. I've always been the one that said, and I didn't even saying that's cool, but I just didn't feel that I could be in my room studying

because I did start taking business management, a correspondent class, at one point. I can be in my room studying. and they can knock on the door and say, G, be the reason. And I can't say I'm studying. I have to go and tend to whatever it is. And it might be somebody that owed a box of honey buns.

And I'm going to be in there like, we're in here having a conversation about $1.50. Like, what are we doing? I almost got in trouble one time before they got this thing called the box. And they asked me to hold it because the person that was holding it at the time smoked cigarettes and he was doing a bunch of stuff he hadn't been doing. And I told him, if I hold it,

probably going to eat something here and there and I ate something here and there and they ended up wanting to have a feast and the things that I was eating here and there they asked me where they told them I said I told them I was going to eat some honey bun they wanted to put me in violation for some for about four or five boxes of a hundred bun and I told them which which I broke up the money but I told them I said I I seen a hundred twenty five thousand dollars when I was 16 17 years old y'all think y'all from beat me up for 10 dollar worth of a hundred buns it just ain't going to happen that ain't what we're doing but it was just a lot of things I just started disagreeing with man i ain't like how they treated some people out i hate the shower security and um

it was a guy it was a little brother name from memphis named looney and um he was talking about what they called plugging out you can get out count and you can plug out out out you just not a part of the structure but you still gd when you plug out you're done and somebody gave him the wrong information he ended up plugging out and when he plugged out he went and tried to he went and got a knife from a Crip. And the Crip, divide and conquer, penitentiary rules, told the G's, hey, I know what's going on alone. He just came and bought a knife from us, and the G's took it as he buried arms against GD in the name of protecting itself. And at the time, I was the security, the car was supposed to go through me, and they went over me because they felt like I was going to be biased to the call,

and they ended up paying three Aaron Nations to jump him in the middle of the pot, and he ended up beating all three of the Whitewoods up right in front of everybody. And after he beat him up, and then he started disrespecting GD. He was like, ain't nobody. And then he said a whole bunch of stuff. And then day after that, they ended up going in the cell and stabbing him. And they all went to the hole. And he signed a paper saying that he signed a waiver saying he was cool coming back to the compound.

And I still had the position. Strong man. What do they call it a strong man? Yeah. Something like that. So as I'm sitting in my series. he comes out of the hole after he done

what they're saying bearing arms against the folks and they tell me they were like Looney back on the compound what we want to do. I said call a meeting. So I'm from to call this meeting and I'm going to explain everybody what happened and how it happened

and I'm like dude ain't a threat to us but I'm knowing that I'm just going to try and as I'm explaining it the person who's responsible for who's over, well he's the number two he ain't the one. He started line and that really sent me over the head.

I'm like, this is the number two. I was there. I heard the conversation. There's no way I'm like, dude, my life can hang in your hand. And I'm listening, like you, and I started pointing my finger in his face. And they grabbed me, his security grabbed me and told him I couldn't do that. And I was being disrespectful and I ended up getting a write-up. But I had done so many favors for a lot of the G's date.

We basically said that they gave me a violation, but they really didn't. And I was tired after that. And then something, and I had wrote my paper. paperwork up because my dad was at northeast now my brother don't went home my dad is fin of get me moved we already done I already done sign the paperwork I just don't know how long it's going to take for me to get on the bus to go and he was telling me wait till you get here before you do that but I was like man I I'm fin of trust God in this like I'm tired and they came in the cell when they're talking and it was literally like Charlie Brown want want want want

want want and I took the paper out of my pocket and I handed it to them they opened it they read it passed it each other and they were like you sure this what you want to do I said I'm done I said oh man before anything I said whatever got to happen I'm just gonna have to happen man I'm done it's over and I knew at the time I knew who was the one and I knew who was the three the three is the security which all calls got to go through him as far as aggressive stuff and I got on somebody phone I called him I told him me me at the library, I needed to talk to them because they got, when they get the paperwork, it's the thing they call, you got to run it up the chain, you got to run through everybody.

And so I called him, told him, me at the library, and I went down there, and I told him what I done. And I was like, bro, I'm done. I was like, I want to hear from you, though. I said, I need to hear from you that I'm going to be okay. If not, tell me now, I ain't finished being my pride, and I'll just go to PC. I ain't even tripping. I'll go when they transfer me, we'll try to figure it out. But I ain't, I want to hear from you.

I haven't let them stab me and jump on me in. I got a child, I gotta get to it. I'd be a fool to say, and be like, I'm not gonna do that. So he was like, man, you're straight. I said, I'm straight. He said, I give my word, Jolte. He said, you're good. He said, if that's what you want to do, he said, you can do it, you good.

I said, that was up. I left with shook hands. I walked out. A day or two went by, I seen the number one, standing in the window. They came and told me. They said, he said, you're free. You're going to walk away. I said, I'm done.

He said, yeah, you're good. I went outside. I seen them in the window, and we got a little thing. It means are you straight? Are you good? And I did him like this. I was like, what's up? And he did it back.

And I did it again. I said, I'm, and he was like you. And I was like, am I? And he was like you? I said, what's up? And I walked back to myself and made sure I made a public statement to the whole unit by walking to the shower in my shower shoes. I didn't walk in my shoes.

And when I walked out, the Cripps Vice Lords, everybody was kind of looking like, and he ain't walking with no security. They were like, what's going on? And I was out. And I was done. And two, three weeks after that, I got shipped to the prison where my daddy was at, where I got engaged to a correction officer, an Indian.

Yeah. So I get to this prison, man, I get to the prison, and they send me to the top of the hill and my dad is on the lower end. And they put him in and said with a pump. Okay. But he was one of them, he wasn't flamborn. but everybody knew. Right.

But he could be flamboyant. And he was a hustler too. I just rode on his bus for 10 hours from Turnin Center of the Northeast. I can buck this and go to the hole. Put myself as a situation. I'm tired. I can get in this bunk. I just take a nap.

I just go to sleep and my daddy go to take care every day, in the morning, hopefully. So I get there and I see some people that know me from Juvie and of the prison. And they ask me, what's there you going to? to and I told him. He was like, oh, sit your stuff outside and I don't even go in there at Jotty. I was like, why not? They were like, man, one of them

and by that time, the boy pops out from wherever he walks over. He was like, you my cell and his hand was loose. And I said, don't do that, right? And he popped it. He was like, this myself. You know what I'm saying? And I was like, man, y'all, let me hollet my cellet my cellet real quick. So I just pulled him in a cell.

I just said, I'm kind of matured him. I ain't, I ain't, I ain't gonna push on you and I'm not gonna do it out. We're getting to see, I was like, look, check this out. So I just came to Turner Center and rolled. I said, I ain't gonna unpack my stuff. I said, my daddy gonna get me moved to the bottom of the hill.

First thing in the morning. I said, we're good, we're good. He was like, you good. I said, just don't do that right there though. And then he was like, who are your daddy? And I was like, Joe T, my daddy. He said, Joe T, your daddy?

I said, wait a minute. I'm begging you. I said, hold on, man. Hold on. He was like, no, that's my guy. He was like, man, you need to use the phone. He was like, that's who I buy my tobacco from here and my suboxone. He was like, man, you need to call.

You need to talk to him. I was like, yeah, I need a holiday and let him know I'm here. You know what I'm saying? He was like, bet. He closed the door, pull the curtain, pull the phone out of him. Right there in the cell. Watched it off. Pulled it out.

Pulled it out. He was like, you good? I was like, yeah, I'm straight. Yeah. He called my daddy. He had my daddy number. We called him. And he was like, what you doing?

I said, if you don't get me down there in the morning, I'm going to probably be in the hole. He was like, nah, he ain't going to be in the hole, Joe. I said, hey, what I tell you, but he, he was. He was like, who is he in the cell with? I said, who is that? He was like, man, he's straight. He's straight. He said, man, I'm going to get you down.

I said, man, listen, I don't need to be in his cell in the morning. He was like, he good, Joe T. He's good. I don't make sure he's straight. I don't need nothing from you. This guy, he understands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you can't.

But when I got out the far angle lot, like, he was cool. Like, he wasn't, he, he wasn't, I, I ain't nothing free in the penitentiary. To him, it was, I'm for the dude, Joe Tia, solid. When I try to buy some tobacco next time, I made sure your son was straight, man, hey, I ain't got it right now, your son, I made shit. That's just how to, how to prison go. But he ended up getting me moved down in the morning. I got down there, and when I walked in that cell,

I still can't explain because we weren't cell at Turner Center he was in the cell it's a corner I'm in this cell he in this cell so we want to sell

I go over there he'd come over here you know we'll cook but I'm actually in the cell with my daddy right what I'm saying and I'm five

six years in this is the person who recommended me to become GD I don't took a six minute no cover and been beat up I don't been

through hell and back with a lot of these Gs this is the same person they gave me my plug. This is the same person I feel like wasn't in my life. There's so many emotions going on, but at the same time, it's

bittersweet. I'm also like, man, I get a chance to kick with my daddy, which is crazy. To explain, I got all these mixed emotions. When I go in there, he hugged me. You know what I'm saying? We kicked. I think we watched the best about the game at night. Cook the meal. Summer sausages. We're penitentiary meal, all this stuff going on. Like, we was just having a good old time

and said it was crazy. It was crazy. And I remember, man. One of my first pivoting moments was, well, I'm here like two months, and I started working in the wood plan, and they pay you minimum wage. You make the money, you're making too much money. You have to pay rent in the penitentiary. Right.

Yeah. So after about two months, this Indian girl started working at the prison, and before they put her in a permanent unit, she was working on the yard, where you have to go through the gate to go to work or wherever you're going. So one more, they're getting ready to make the call. out and you could tell it's a new officer woman here because everybody's outside waiting for the call out versus being in and I remember my dad is saying what's what's going on out there and it was a guy named Hot Rod and two he might have three life sentences.

Hot Rod had a whole lot of time and uh but he comes to the cell and he was like little Joe come out of coming out of me he was like no don't take my son out there he was like what's going on I'm like not don't be trying to be a dad and now you ain't ever trying to feel don't tell me I can't go outside what is you talking about so hot rod was like uh So he was like, man, the new girl out there, he was like, man, I want you to see her. I'm like, bet. So I put my shoes on, my penitence refresh. I go out there.

And everybody trying to get her attention. And in my head, I'm thinking, don't do that. You got to do something different from me. So I kind of stand back in the crowd. I see her. By the time I catch her, I kind of take her, I walk off, like, I ain't paying no attention. And about two weeks, she ended up. I told my daddy that same day when I went in and said, he said, what is it?

He said, it's a little ending. She's nice, too. He was like, ah, yeah. I said, I'm going to get him. He said, man, you ain't going to get that. I said, watch what I see. Two weeks rolled back. She would come in our unit.

And I hear her when she walk in and I got up and I looked out at the window. My dad said, who is it? I said, it's a girl. My dad got up and looked. I said, I'm going to get her. He said, man, you ain't going to get her. I said, watch what I see? I'm going to see.

I'm going to get her. Two, three weeks will buy. I've been talking to her here and there. Well, let me say this first. I get off from work. This had a conversation start. Two, three weeks, I don't say nothing to her. When she first at all, I don't go talk to her, I don't look at her, nothing.

When she come around and walk to the sidewalk, I go in and say, yo, I get our work one day, and I'm going to get some ice. And as I'm walking to get the ice, she was like, hey, hey, you. And I just kind of looked at her. And she was like, yeah, you. She was like, wait, you don't never come out. You don't come talk to me. You don't.

I said, ain't nothing. I said, ain't nothing worth coming out here looking at. And I kept walking. And as I go and get the ice, I was. walking back and now she's she done got out of the chair and she's standing like in front of the cage and she was like what you mean i said man ain't nothing out here worth looking at and i kept walking i go in i take the ice and i come out and i stand on the sidewalk and she's looking at the paperwork i'm guessing she's trying to either see my name or see who i'm in sail with and she kept looking up

at me she was like and i come down and she was like who's your who's your silly and i was like She was like, y'all got the same name. I was like, that's my daddy. And she was like, really? How? She, she, in her eyes, at this point, I'm a, you don't become very manipulative on top of already learning how to be manipulative. The look at her eye was, she was intrigued.

It wasn't, it was something different other than, you didn't say with your daddy. So she started asking, she started asking questions. So then we started talking two, three weeks. I go to the shower. She comes and stand by the shower, watching me, looking at me up and down, all this old type of stuff.

I would put the muslim oil on, smelling good. She asked me where I get the muslim oil. I'm cooking stuff. She asked me about the meals. I'm explaining stuff. You can tell you're intrigued about all of this stuff. Then she started asking about my daddy.

She's like, your dad never speaks to me. Like, he'll look. I was like, yeah, he's convict. Dad had been locked up 30-some years. 30 years? Like how old? She was asking me how old I was. How old was you?

And she was just. And so one day I was. walked up to her. My daddy don't know this. We got a cell phone, but we don't keep it in the cell. We never keep it in the cell. I write the number now, and I go downstairs and I tell them. I say, look, what I'm about to say is let it go in one ear and out of the other if you don't like what I'm what I say. She was like, okay, what is it? I said, what if it was a way we can talk outside of here? She was like, what you mean? I said, you know exactly what I mean. I said, Remember what I said at first.

I said, if you catch what I'm saying and you don't like it, let's just act like we never had this conversation. She was like, uh-uh. And she was just kind of looking like she wanted to answer, but she wasn't sure if I was trying to set her up. I said, don't say nothing. I said, in the staff bathroom, because that's where our toilet paper was there, we can go in there and get toilet paper. I said, I went in there to get toilet paper. I said, I taped a piece of paper under the sink in the staff bathroom. I said, I'm going to walk off.

I said, I ain't going to talk to you the rest of the day. I said, you go in there, you get that piece of tape. I said, you can hit me blocked. And she was like, and I walked off. So I go in and said, I said, hey, dude, I said, I got a call. I said I had to call my daughter, his granddaughter. I said, I got to call Samari tonight. I got to catch her.

I said, so I'm going to keep the phone in the cell. He said, and if they come in here and catch their phone, you know you're going to take their child. I said, you got two licenses. I ain't taking no charges. You're taking all the charges. You're taking all the charges. So he was like, he was like, he was like,

You sure? I said, yeah. I said, we're going to keep the phone or now. He said, we're going to do that anymore. I said, all, cool, cool, cool, cool. So we keep the ball. They're doing lockdown. She closed the door.

Boom, doom, doom, doom. And he was like, you sure? I said, I'm, I say, yeah, I'm good. She comes to the door, opens our door and do me like this, and winks and close the door. As soon as she closed the door, my daddy stands straight up. What the hell is that? All right. I don't know.

I think she liked me. He said, boy, don't you have them police. I said, man, we're good. He said, all right. I still didn't tell him why I was keeping the phone. I wait until she leave. I'm looking at the back window. She kind of waves as she leaving.

It don't air all the inmates on the back window to wave, so you don't know who she waving it. But to me, she waving me. I know she got the number. So she gets to the parking lot. And I'm thinking she getting out. I'm waiting this about 30 minutes. I said, hey, Dad, I said, I don't tease him.

He said, what's up? I said, look, man, I gave her the number. He said, do what? He's standing up again. He said, what did you say? I said, I gave her the number. She's going to call me block. I said, I told you I was going to get her.

He said, go on, go on pack your stuff up, boo. Go on get your stuff. Go on pack your stuff up. I said, for what? He said, if they call that phone, it won't be the talking. to you, it'll be to verify that that phone is in here. And when they verify as in here,

they're going to come in here, they're going to get it. And you're going to say it's yours and you're going to go to the hole. When you get out, I get you back down here, but you're going to the hole tonight. I said, I don't believe that. He said, all right, why see what I tell you? I told us I was going to get him.

So we're sitting there. He was like, she didn't call yet? I said, no. By that time, I got the phone under the pillow where I can see it, it light up. It's blocked. he see it because of the crack of his bed he see the light

he stands up go answer he said that's the green team he said I promise you soon as you say hello they're going to run in there I said I don't know he said well go on answer then

I don't answer it she called back again about five minutes block I asked hello my daddy started grabbing my stuff I said hello

She said Hey big head I looked at my dad I said Hey little head He said So we get to talk My daddy

Tap on the bed I said she'll bring her something in her I said Hold on I said I thought you I thought you said the police Was gonna come in here He's

Whatever you need me to do Just let me know Now you Now you won't in Because you see how I don't pull it off But we started We started talking, it probably wasn't two, three weeks, man. She started asking about penitentiary money.

So I'm telling her you buy a pound of tobacco on town, $25, $30 in here. It's $8,000,000, maybe $1,000. You bring her, you go buy a phone, $50,000. You bring it in here. It's $1,500,000 in Northeast. So when I started telling us stuff, she was like, wow, suboxing strips, you get 100 of them wrapped up. It's going to look like a job around you.

They were selling them for $150. We was getting three, four hundred of them in a time. You can brain that in easy. So when I started telling her that stuff, she wouldn't, at first she didn't, she was like, now I don't want to do nothing like that. If you need anything, I got you. So I answered, I was like, just one time then. Just one time.

She's already in trouble. She's already in trouble. Yeah, she's in trouble. She's in trouble. So at this one, I get her, she brang me some green and we get the strips in the green. She don't know the strips in the green, though. who just had my daddy girlfriend to rap it. It was already in it.

So she bring it in. And me and my dad, this is one of the epiphany moments. We're breaking down this green. He counted out his obnoxious and rapping them. And I just kind of looked up at him. And I was like, this is crazy. Like this is like how? Like what is going on?

And he don't seem to be faded at all. Like your son who's in prison, then, Like, we sitting here and we basically kind of started running the prison through her. Like, we was getting two, three ounces at a time at one point. And we was just running it. And I get up to use the bathroom one night. My dad was snoring. And I flushed the toilet.

I went to wash my hand. And when I flushed the toilet, he kind of turned around. I don't remember looking at it. And I was like, I'm really in the cell. My daddy, like, this is not okay. Like, this is insane. Like, we are just doing way too much at this point. Like, this is, and then it wasn't too long after that.

I bought a ring, had his girl. I had a ship to my dad's girl house. She lived in Virginia, which I ain't far from northeast. So I had her to meet the Indian girl, give her the ring. She brings it in, gives it to me. She don't know. I'm feeling proposed. But this is, this is, listen,

This is all penitentiary mind games, though. This is insane. So we had a rock man, you got the rock man who take the trash out. And in northeast, when you take the trash out, it's a blind spot. Because at this point, we got them eyes in the sky, and they can see a fly moving his antlers on you. So when you go through these doors, when you go through the door, she always locked that main door.

And then right in that hall space and them stairs, it's a little, we got a quick window. So we would go, and instead of walking the trash all the way to the trash, I would slain the trash to buy me some time. So she would open the back door, I slain the trash, whether I make it or not, close the door, I get a little window, we kiss, freak, whatever, whatever, whatever.

We do that a few times. She don't know if I'm going to pop the question, but she started talking about she didn't want to bring it no more. So now I got to speed up answering the question. Because we got to keep this rolling, because at this point, we four, five thousand dollars a month. Like, we, it's insane.

So we go back there one night, we take the trash hat, boom. She goes, she locked the door, and she getting ready to open the other door so we can go back out. And I gently grabbed a, turned her around, and I was on a knee, independent injury. So, look, look. But when I do it, I had to almost muff her mouth because she started screaming. Oh, my God! Like, she wouldn't crave it. I just, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

She was like, I can't believe I could. I was like, no, no, no, no, you got a. And I'm grabbing her, but I'm freaking at the same time. But I'm like, no, she was like, you're, are you serious? And I put the ring on her and we said it, whatever, when we walked out. And it wasn't two, three days. People started knowing those, like, man, she got a ring on the fan. Like, what's going on?

But we kept, we kept rocking it for a little minute. And then it was this one last time. I honestly think to this day, I feel like she set us up. I think she did. I think she was tired and I wasn't pulling the plug. So I had four ounces of green. And she was like, I'm going to bring them out at one time. I was like, oh, I ain't doing that.

Like, what you got going on? That's what I'm thinking. Four? You ain't never said you're going to, like, you're going to pack it like this. But she was tired. So she brings it. I have, I switch it up this time because I didn't trust it. And so I had somebody else to move, like how I moved it was completely different.

And I sent somebody to go get it. And then I told somebody else behind him to go get that and then move it and go go in this cell, come out of this cell, go in this cell, go out of this cell. So they can't kind of pinpoint what's going on and how it's going on. So when it happens, my dad is at work in the kitchen. And we got some boxers and stuff too. So it wasn't five, ten minutes. Police run in and goes everywhere these people went.

and then after they did all that then they came to my cell when they came to my cell the cell that it was in they walked out they sit for a minute they talked and they went to the cell it was in and when they went over it i was like oh man this this is about to be ugly this is a but i'm thinking i looked at her and she turned away from me and i was like she wasn't giving me the sign like it was it was the i'm you gone that's how i felt And I was like, did she do that? I know she didn't do that. Like, your job is online if you did that.

So when they go in the cell, my daddy comes in from work. And when he goes in and said, he's taking his apron, he's like, what's going on? Because the cell's still messed up, and I'm explaining it to him fast. And I was like, they're in tiny to sell. It's in tiny cell right now. He was like, everything. I said, everything is in there. He was like, I said, look, I said, whatever you got left, I said, I'm about to offer

some of them suboxys to somebody to start a fight in the pod right now he said do whatever you got to do i said all right i walked out of the cell called somebody i knew i said go down there and you tell him i said pop a fight off with anybody in the pod right now i'm gonna give him five suboxins he went down there he told him next thing oh boom he hit fight breaks out she starts yelling police comes out of the cell where everything is at close the door and locks it they got to they got to stop this fight they run down take both of them take them to the hole when they do that I look at her, give her to nod. Tina then said, I need to get in my cell.

She yelled at them and say, is the search done? I don't know if they responded or not. She said they said, yeah. I don't know, because they ended up coming back. She ran upstairs, unlocked the door, boom. We moved it everywhere we ended up cool. After that happened, they ended up putting my dad on pending an investigation. They called itself separating us because they were trying, they were really,

they knew that she was dealing with. with me they were trying to get to me. I guess they felt like if they separate me and my daddy, I would slip up and they would be able to get me. So they end up putting my daddy in the hole pending an investigation. They come to the cell. They'll move her to a different unit. They come to the cell. Who was a 14, 2631? My daddy. He was like, that's me what's going on. You're going on PI. Pack your stuff. They pack the stuff. I'm thinking he was like, most they can do seven or ten days after that. I file a grievance, whatever. They got to figure if they ain't going to try me with nothing.

I said, all, cool. So he'd go to pending the investigation. He ain't back there at five days. They sent him to a whole other prison, shipped him. They don't tell me to the day after. They're like, oh, yeah, you're dead. And I'm like, they crush me. Like, at this point, we've probably been in the cell maybe.

Three, four, five months. We don't gain the bond. We didn't kick that got into it. Because he called himself, commercial break me. But he called himself trying to take the phone from me one time. Because his girlfriend called while I was on the phone with my daughter. He called himself trying to check. chestized me in front of his girlfriend on the phone.

So I told him, put his shoes on. I was going to go on one to him now. He probably would have gotten me, but I was going to get a piece of him. But so we ended up having him, and he ended up telling me I couldn't, he wasn't going to let me use the phone. I ended up going to rough up tiny who was an old man, he was smoking a cigarette. I wouldn't have roughed him up real bad. And he told my daddy and finally me and my dad, we were talking and he turned his back on

And I grabbed his shoulder, he threw his shoulder, and he started crying. And he was like, you don't love me. I was like, I do love you. He's like, no, you don't. I was like, I do love you. I was like, I think sometimes you don't really understand the magnitude of your absence. What my mama went through, when me and my brother went through, I don't even think you realized you gave me and my brother two separate plugs.

You the one told me, I recommend you DGD for the experience. Was his exact words when I asked him, just should I do it? He said, I recommend it for the experience. So I'm telling him all these things, but at the same time, letting him know, I love you. Because the majority of that I chose that life, too, I kind of, I wanted it. So we kind of both broke down and he said some things that I didn't, I ain't never heard them say. I got out, and ever since then, we're like this, like, that's my guy.

But they end up shipping him, and, man, it didn't sink in to probably like two or three days after he was gone because I'm thinking, hey. And I remember waking up one morning and I just broke down crying. And I was like, they took my dad then. Like, he's gone. Like, that's crazy. And I know it, I know it ain't coming back. And I know it's no chance that we probably end up.

He's going to be able to get me moved to the prison. Again, I'm pretty sure it's in black and white. Now, they moved you the first time because of tobacco. Now they're moving you this time. They moved you from Morgan County to Turner Center for, you got the same thing track record every time you got moved. So this time, nine, time, ten, no, it's just not going to happen. And I had got some green through somebody else one time.

Somebody got stabbed in the pot. A Mexican ended up stabbing somebody that owed him. A guy comes to myself and says, Jotty you might want a secure thing, somebody just got stabbed. They're proud about to come in here. I was like, all right, cool. I ain't moving with a sense of urgency

because I'm thinking they're going to come in and attend to the person who got stabbed. But my name was so hot and ringing. This guy had got stabbed. They ran in and came to myself. They coming up the step. The stab happened downstairs. So when they're saying up top, I'm like, what?

Up top or what? Like, it ain't even. So by the time I look out of the window and see Garcia coming, we see each up. I said, somebody down there got stabbed, bro. You're going to come over it. So I had- Do you think you stabbed him? No, he just...

Just used the opportunity. He just used the opportunity. He just used the opportunity. So at this point, I'm scrambling because I didn't secure everything. I don't got the phone in the cell, but I had what they call thimbles of weed. So I'm taking the thimbles of weed,

and I'm trying to push him in my lotion. I get a few of them down, but a few fall, and I end up just putting them, throwing like two or three in my pocket. And he come in, he opened the door. He said, what's up, little Joe? I said, what's up, Garcia?

I said, what's up, I ain't doing nothing. they said something going on down here. I got medical coming down here. I figured I come over and check on you. I said, somebody got stabbed, and you coming to check on me? He was like, yeah, where you got going? He was like, let me patch you down.

I was like, all, cool. So when he come in and said, I'm thinking, I'm thinking about my wood-plan job. I'm thinking about the write-up, and I'm getting ready to go up for parole. I'm getting ready to go up for parole in like three, four weeks. I'm like, so he was like, let me pat you down.

I reached in my pocket and went for the toilet. He grabbed my hand. He said, if you move after this, that's a salt on officer. He said, whatever that is. He said, you get, he said, if it's brown, he said, I'll flush it. He said, if it's anything else, I can't promise you that. I said, I said, it's brown, Garcia. He said, well, if it's brown, let me see it, I'll flush it.

He said, I'll flush it myself. I said, man, come on, man. He said, if you move, he said, give it here. I said, man, man. And it was two, three. He said, I thought you said it was brown, little Joe? bang finally got you i said he said you know this your job right up he said you the wool play i said me don't care nothing about that wood plan job man i'm good he said yeah you probably

save plenty of money and you know how i know you he hinting to her and i was like whatever he leave they write me up my cell at the time told me he'll take the charge we was going to try to fight it at the d boy by saying i had put on his basketball shorts and he was going to say that it was in there, they went by for it. So I go to the D-Board, they got Arby's in there when I walk in the D-board.

I'm at the wood plant, scraping wood. They call me, they need you at the D-Board, which is the hen for, to go sent us in for the write-up or see what I'm going to take. I go in the D-board. There's Arbys in there, chicken strips, fries, drink. Sit down, boom.

He sliders. across the table. He said, hey, go ahead. I said, all right, man, I said, I said, now I want that. I was like, what's going on? And this is exactly what he told me. He said, listen, about that right up you got. We can't let you take that. We can't let you take that right up. I said, well, just throw it out then. He said, that that ain't had going to work, though. He said, the warden told me to give you whatever you ask, but you know what we want. I said, what do you want? He said, you know us He said, come on now

He said, do you love her? I started eating that arby's right now Listen, I ate the arvice I don't get me wrong Now I ate the arvice He said, do you love her He said I love her

He said You do know If I decide to send you to another prison She'll be talking to somebody else about tomorrow She don't care about you I said, you're sitting up here trying to give you somebody that's the police. He said, she ain't the police.

She's an inmate. And I'm going to treat her like one when I catch her. He said, you know what the red line is? I said, no. He said, I'm telling you what a red line is. That's when a government official is working with the enemy. He said, you can get my license plate number and find out where I live, find out where my other coworkers live.

You can find out what a kitchen workers work at if you live at if you wanted to. He said, people like her. are dangerous to people like me, because we have to come in here and do our job. She can give you information to find out what we live and you can get things done us on the street. So when I catch her, I'm a red liner and make sure she never gets to work for the government again. I said, you just said out of that.

And I'm telling you she one of y'all. He said, I'm going to get her. He said, what if I, now this was after, now he asked me if I wanted to go to the honor pod. You're like, you want to go to the honor pot? I said, I'm not going to go to the honor part? What did you tell you? He said, you want to keep your job, don't you?

I said, I tell you what? I grabbed at this, I started eating. I said, I took a bite of one. He said, let me sign this write-up. He was like, he snatched it from me. He said, I can't let you sign that right up. I said, why? I said, I'm guilty.

It was mine. He said, I can't let you do that. Wouldn't let me sign the write-up. I literally had to leave. I left, went back to work, but he kept me in there long enough, which is another tactic they used to make you look like you to police. So when I- She thinks she says that.

Or at least everybody. Inmates. Inmates. Yeah. Because they got her in another unit. So I go in, I go back to work. Does she know you were grabbed? Mm-mm.

Not yet. I go in back to work. People are already asking me like, dang, what happened? I'm like, I ain't on it. While I'm at work, going back to work, they go and search my cell, tear it up. So now the unit is saying, Joe T. Just went to the D-Board. But they ain't just searched myself.

They search two, three other cells. But they search myself to make it look like. Because that's how inmates think. Jotee was just at the D board. He was up at 30 minutes. They go in and search two other people's cell and then they search his cell making it look like.

You gave them up and they're only searching your cell to try and give you some wiggle room. To throw it out. You gave them the other cells. That's what they're trying to make it. And then they put you back in the unit. And then they put me back in the unit. Exactly.

So I come from work. I go in and everybody, man, Jotie, what's going on, what's going on? And now I'm playing mental chess. I'm trying to figure out what's what because there's a lot of people who want the girl my dad is gone i don't have that protection the people who want the girl going to play the game to go along with he is the police so they can remove me they don't care by any means and that's there so they can try to get close to her so i don't know what's what at this point

i go to work again they do the same thing this time they call me back to the unit and search while i'm right there ask me a bunch of questions that i'm not man i'm not talking to y'all brain me the right Let me sign the write-up. They wouldn't let me sign it. We got this thing called inspection. And sometimes during the inspection, depending on if the warden on the top of the hill or the bottom hill, the warden will come through the unit. So when they call the inspection this morning, the warden is coming through. And I said to myself, I'm feeling, I have to yell it out to the warden because the green team got to walk with the warden and there was a woman as security.

So they come through and they do inspection. They only do the bottom tier. they didn't come and do the top. I said, oh, they're trying to keep her from coming. That's why I'm thinking. So when they're getting out, I yell out in front of everybody. Because for first people I need to make sure I'm safe by it is the inmates. I said, hey, Ward.

I said, Officer Garcia and Officer Boon-Woon on the Green Team, I got a write-up. I've been trying to sign for the write-up. They will not let me sign the write-up. I ain't knowing that the warden is really in on this. They touched the warden and the warden just kept walking like she didn't. hear me. After they cleared out, everybody came up, and I was like, now y'all see. Like, what type of, like, what they got going on. So the G's was kind of willing to cover me at their point, because they could clearly see that I was trying to say, they wouldn't let me sign it.

The union manager calls me down and was like, they just called you, they want you to come down to operation. That's dangerous in the pentendron. To go, they want me to come where? They want you to come down. I said, I can't do that. He said, it's the warden. the warden is asking you to come to operation. Can you bring somebody with you? No. Because when guys we go to the warden office, they'd be like, I got to bring somebody with me.

They wouldn't have me. I didn't even ask, though. I didn't even ask. So I go and I'm walking. I tell the inmates, I call one of the Crips, I call one of the Gs, I call one of the vice lord.

I call one of the, I call one of the, and they're like, look, I don't know what's going on. They just call me down, you know, and I go down there. The warden in there, and the main guy on the green team is in there.

And so I sit down, and I'm like, she pulled out a notepad. I said, what's going on? She said, you tell me. I said, I ain't sure why I'm down here. She said, are you involved with one of my officers? I said, no, ma'am. She said, are you telling me true?

I said, yes, ma'am. I'm looking at the guy, the green team guy, and I'm like, this is really my opportunity. I got to flip him. and I said, your officers, for one, put me in danger at your institution. They're trying to make it look like I'm the police. She's like, how are they doing that? I said, they constantly keep searching myself.

I said, I've been trying to sign guilty for their write-up. She said, you ain't signing guilty. And now I was like, oh. Then I said, well, your officer has been trying to give me a phone. And then the green tune, he said, wait, hold on. He said, what? I said, you, you tried to give me a cell phone and told me. to call that girl you was going to give me a phone and I can keep the phone and this is that

she said you offered him he said I never offered this piece she said now wait a minute but it started getting heated he stood up over me he was like now he's lying and this and then she said when what was he going to do with the phone I was like I don't know what he wanted me to do with the phone and she was like do you want to stay here I said it's not safe for me to say here She said, where you want to go? I said, I'm, my name good anywhere. I can go to any state in the penitentiary. I said, I need to be, I need to be shook.

She said, you ain't got nothing going on with one of my officers. I said, no. She said, okay, she got up, she walked out. The green attorney officer got in my face. He said, don't you ever play with me like that again? Don't you ever play with me? What you mean? I left out, walked, and I told all the members again,

and then they called me to the clinic. They called me down to the clinic. And I'm like, what is, what is going on? So I go down to the clinic. I don't take meds. I don't have no health issues. I don't, I ain't put in no sick call, nothing. Everybody knows this.

So I go down there and when I walk in, the nurse know who I am. She tells me, go down there, go through that door and go. I go in a little room, the whole entire green team is in the room. Surround, by a table. I tap on the door. They open it and call me in the room. I look around and see if there's any inmates who work in the clinic because I'm like, this is dangerous.

I walk in the room and I'm like, what is going on? They pull out a cell phone. If you will just dial that number. That's exactly what you told them. Exactly. They said, if you will just put the number in this phone, I take it to the warden and I'll get you moved. They said, I don't know what you're talking about.

He asked me, he said, does your dad want to come back up here? I said, no. He said, do you want to go down there with your dad? I have you on the bus in the morning, going in the cell with your dad as soon as you get out of the bus in the morning. I said, how many people you don't have

these kind of conversations with you? You're too comfortable. Like, this don't happen in Penn State. I said, how many people? He said, you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised how many of these conversations. I said, well, that ain't what's going on with me. He said, I'll make another offer.

He said, I get your daddy back up here. Y'all can say, how much tobacco is you? you want? I said, how this is going to happen? He said, I'm just letting you know we want her. I said, I ain't. He said, I'm going to see you tonight. I walked out. Got back to the unit, called the heads in my cell and told them, because they told me, before I left, he said, I'll see you tonight. He was saying they were going to come in and pull the same move. We're going to search two cells and we're going to come to your cell. He fina try to really get me to use his phone. I go back and I tell

the gang members dead they say so you telling me the police told you they coming in here tonight they search and they tried to give you a phone is that what you and i'm like look and it was one crib dude he was like man i'm telling y'all man i said don't even play with me like that i said if i if that would why would i sit in here and tell y'all to secure what's going on to try to get in front of i said see it's dudes like you who think you slick you think you two sets ahead but really what you're trying to do is plant these seeds in everybody ahead to believe because you want to get close to the girl. And all of us in this room

ain't fin to sit like that and act like that ain't what's going on because that's exactly what's going on. When y'all see, I'm trying to be straight with y'all. And then they was like, yeah, just leave that alone or whatever. They secured everything. Police came in and, like, two cell

came to my cell, said all my stuff outside the door, told me to step, got my cell at a squatting cough. I heard him, they called me in the cell. They said, you ain't got to, just make the noise. I said,

I said, this is crazy. Like, is this really happening? Like, is this even prison anymore? Like, what's going on? They walked me down to operations, which I should have went straight to the hole, knowing inmates is looking at their back window. Yeah, yeah. I go straight.

I'm like, what are we going? We're supposed to turn and go to the hole. They take me straight to operation. Green team sitting on the left, one sitting on the right, one standing in front of me. He reached down in his fanny pack and pulled their phone out and gave me the phone. I said that phone probably ain't even on. I'm going to play my game, too. I said, he said, it's on.

He flipped it on and turned it on. I said, man, let me see that. I grabbed the phone. He said, you ain't got a do number. Dial that number and punch it. He said, I'm going to hang you down on what you did in the morning. I said, I don't know the number you tell me out. He pulled out a paper with a list of numbers.

Do you see the number? Do you recognize the number? I said, I don't know what you're talking about. I got the phone in my hand. I started dialing, I started hitting numbers. I said, do this really work? He was like, yeah, it worked. tried. I text my sister.

Boom. She takes me back. They ain't saying. I said, man, that's crazy. I said, I'm going to text her back. I text my homeboy, girl who was connected to the officer. I text her. She texts back. Okay. I sit right there and chill with him for a minute. When I first got there, it was an officer who worked in a unit that brought me some, he brought me some Muslim oil in a mountain. undo, he sealed it back up.

And I was selling oil, but I was eventually going to try to get him. But they moved him to work in the front where they come through the metal detectors. So when they moved him down there, we were thinking, if we get an officer, we'll get him to just let them come through or whatever. I had his number. And I had one of the school teachers' numbers, too, that was connected to somebody else that was trying to... How many people's numbers you got? Yeah. I had the school teacher number because when they got the phone,

it was a vice lord dude who was trying to, because where she was at, she had access to her. He was trying to get them to be friends, and he thought he was going to be able to get to her through her by letting it be known. I know what you've been doing. When really it ended up circling back around to me, when him trying to get them cool,

I ended up finessing her and tell her, I need you to give me that number because that's the only way I'm going to be able to protect you. Right. So long as I got her number, if he play anything, I'm going to play with him. So I had her number that other officers underquoise the girl. So I'm sitting there and I'm going to text two people. I'm knowing I've been down here at least 30 minutes.

I'm knowing you wrote that in the log book. If I get on their phone and I have my sister, it's what I'm thinking. If I have my sister and that girl to be able to verify this number texting me, it was my brother and it was my homeboy at this time. And I can get them to call the commission. Now, I can prove, y'all let me use his phone. So I tell him, I said, I tell you, I tell you who number I do got. And he was like, who, and I punched the number in.

He pulled up the paywork and he said, the school teacher. The other guy, the guy that brought me to oil. Okay. He was like, he went completely little. He said, oh, y'all had a whole operation. So he was down there and letting everybody come through with everything. I said, that's the only number I got. He said, well, that ain't the number I want.

This is crazy. I was like, I'm telling I don't have that girl's number. He said, well, who number do you have? I was going to bring up the school teaching. I was sitting there and I thought for a minute. I said her name, but I didn't say. I said, what if I got?

He was like, oh, we on her. I was like, dang. I was like, well, wait a minute. So by that time, I'm like, okay, now it's time to play my car. I've been there long enough. It's been about an hour at this point. I said, I'll tell you what.

I said either you take me to the hole right now let me sign for their write-up or whenever i do get the chance i said i don't text my sister from their phone i don't text my home girl i said if i get them to call the commission office and they get that they'd be able to prove that i should have been in the hole at the time how was i using the phone he was like you wouldn't i leaned back i wouldn't i said try me you're trying to get me fucking stab he said man he he got so i'm talking about his whole face to her he said get this pieces out of her right now take him to the hole and they took him to the hole and they me to the hole and then take brain none of my property they stole my TV so my radio clothes i

didn't i didn't they brought me one bar so that was it everything i sit back up for about two weeks and i ended up uh getting moved to uh not north uh west high and when i got to west high matt i get there and i asked the lady i said do you know christopher williams she said yeah i know christopher william too she said yeah she said oh he in the union you going in. She said, how you know him? I said, that's my dad and brother. It's my uncle. She was like, you're like, I see, yeah, my uncle. So now I'm at the prison. I just left my dad and my brother, left him with my

daddy, and now I'm down here with my daddy brother who got 70, five years for kidnapping him. Jesus. So I get down there, man, and I go in and I say, but he had changed his life, though. He was, he was five dudes who were cripped. He was actually over them at one point. He had changed his life though, gave his life.

He was completely dumb, but I didn't know how serious it was. I used to send him drugs to prison. He used to call me, like, take his to such and such, and they're going to, before I learned it when I got in. But I used to send him drugs. So I get there. They don't lock down because the officer had got stabbed two, three days before I got there. And I asked the officer, I'm like, what's he a tune in?

They were like, oh, he over, I think it was 13 cell. I go over to the cell. Her grew out on his face. My uncle ain't seen me since I was a kid. And so I'd knock on the door, he comes to the door. He was like, what's up? I said, man, what's up? He's just looking.

I said, you know who I am? He squinting in his eyes. He said, Tommy? That's what he called my daddy. I was like, nah. I was like, his nephew, his boo. He was like, nephew? He said, you're still a gang member?

I was like, that's the first question. He was like, you're like, you still a gang member? I was like, no. He said, go, look, check this out. He said, because I don't got nothing going on. I ain't in that life no more. I don't condone that. He said, if you want to get on the right path, I can help you.

I can get you, help you get your job down here. I'm like, hold on. We ain't even caught up or nothing. You don't know why I'm here. What's going on? How you doing? Nothing. And he was like, the path that I'm on.

If it's other than that, he was like, man, I can't. And I was like, no, I've been out of GD. He was like, well, you do hustling? I was like, yeah. But I really. I just got. I just got it. I know.

I was like, dang. So they put me in the, in this corner, said with this guy that was a kitchen worker that I was in Juvier with. So when he get out working, he seen me, he was like, boy, they don't put a little Joe in here. I know we're in the rocket. He was like, look, they got them phones over there across the hoover. And I'm thinking about my uncle conversation. I was like, how much you say the phone before? He was like, man, ain't.

I was like, man, you know, too, my uncle. He was like, Christ, they called him Christopher. He said, Christphal, yo. I was like, yeah. He was like, oh, we probably can't get no phone then. He was like, you probably, he was like, man, your uncle. He probably gonna stop all of that. I was like, man, we can see what's up with a phone.

But this is the first time in my life just wouldn't nothing work. None of my penitentiary. Like, I tried to get green. Nothing. Lost it. Tried to get two phones. Lost it. All the money that I had at the prison started just running like water through my hand.

Like, it was the first time ever in my life on the streets. And I was just like, what is happening? Like, what is going on? So I moved out of that cell with the kitchen man. I moved in the cell with my uncle best friend, which is dip, which he was, He was in the word too. And over time, I was just like, man, I got parole hearing that coming up. And I'm thinking, man, let me, let me figure to see how this work.

And, bro, I went up for parole trying to do it right. I had been going to the church and got into doing gospel rap. It's kind of switching. They're really playing with God in a sense. I'm thinking, you know, I can be performative and he can bless me. And I had like a year and some change, almost two years left. Because they had denied me two times already. First time they put me out of three years, second time they put me out of two.

I'm thinking, I'm going to get it this time. Like, come on, I took out of programs. I ain't had no write-ups. Like, I'm cool. And man, I went up there and wasn't in there 15 seconds. The man leaned over. He said, do the remainder of the balance. I just kind of looked around.

And I tapped on the mic. I said, when he said he started flipping through his paper, like he was waiting for the next person. I tapped on the mic. He looked up and, yes. I said, can you repeat that? He leaned in. Do the remainder of the balance. Thank you.

And I was like, well, I got up. It probably was the longest walk I ever had in my life back to the unit. Just thinking of everything. Like, I'm like, and that's when I wrote the first book. I wrote their first book in like 14 days, just up day and night, kind of just pouring out how I felt, and I started tying the Bible to, like, I would ask my silly, like,

this is what the character going through right now. What's a scripture that'll make this make sense? And he will give me, and I started learning. I call that time, like, I say God tricked me. I started writing. I wrote my first, and then I wrote, I ended up writing three books. I published the first one there. I started selling them from prison.

And that was the first time I was like, I ain't got to sell dope. Like, I can do something right. Like, that wasn't, because it wasn't working on them. I was still using phone here and that. But I ended up staying down there with my uncle about probably most a year. They ended up closing their prison down. And then I went back to the prison where I started at the worst prison in the state, Northwest. And I was like, man, out of all places, this is the place I go last when I'm right at the door.

And I'm trying to go down here. and I went in there and man I was good like I didn't have no bad name had no bad rep they got cleared up she didn't lose her job on the strength of me like she kept her job and ended up getting fired three four months

after I left because she started talking to somebody else he finessed her in some kind of way and he was trying to somebody tried to talk to her and he was like now she'll blow it and he said it to a crypt and a war broke out. It was on the news.

I was just got light-flighted, like the war, the fight went from the prison yard to all the units, like it went crazy. And she ended up walking away from the job, but it wasn't, went on me. I didn't give them nothing on her. And, yeah, yeah. And so I got to West High, I mean, I got to Northwest where I started the end of my sentence. I had like a year, a little bit over a year left, I think by the time I did. there, wrapped up the rest of my sentence, man, and came home May, I want to say 23rd, 2017, been home, I guess it would be eight years. 21, 17?

2017. Yeah. I went in 2007, got out May 2017. So I guess that'll be eight years this year, and, man, came home, and I felt like I had some adjusting to do, but at the same time, I had to keep up. I didn't have time. I didn't have time to adjust. I had to get with it instantly.

and I was going to the miles, setting my books at kiosces. I was doing pretty good in my mind. I'm thinking, you know, I'm having $1,500 a weekend. I'm thinking that's decent money. But at the time, I ain't got no bills. I don't even really know how to pay bills.

You know, I'm using... What were the name of the books? The first book is called The Life Sunday to Sunday. The second one is growing in Christ. And then the third one, it was because they're a series. Dang, I know the first, one, it was showing a guy who was getting out of the life and trying to bring his friends alone. The second one was showing them growing in Christ and the third one, I can't remember the name

and that's crazy. But the third one was about basically them reaching back to a younger generation who looked up to them. So this isn't what your series on. No, no, no, no, no. That's not your series is based on. No, no, no, no. And then I did end up writing a book on my life, too, the life of who Baker, which was the book that basically changed my life overnight. And about three and a half, four years ago, I did a storytime on TikTok. Okay. I was working a job at the time. And this girl told me, she was like, you need to get on TikTok.

I was like, man, get on TikTok. Like, people dance. I didn't have YouTube at the time. I was just doing Instagram and Facebook. And she took my phone one day, downloaded, and she was like, just upload a video. So I ended up uploading it, but it wasn't a story time. But like two, three videos, they had like 400, 500 views. I was like, this ain't.

And I was like, man, I'm going to do a story time. And I did the escape story. And at that time, I probably was averaging. I probably was selling about 40 books a month. I went to sleep to take a nap before to go to work. I woke up and had 250 book sales within a period of like two, three hours. Whoa. Why?

Just from the TikTok. Was the TikTok get like half a million or something? Yeah, yeah. The first one had a half a million views on it. And that's what really? That's what drove the traffic for the books. Yep. And I did part two, and I started setting like a thousand books a month for probably

about a year. I was doing a thousand books a month, and then I started doing merch. And then I'd never even seen myself as a storyteller ever. Like my family and my friend, dad said, man, I ain't never seen them do that. But as I, the common section was everything. Like people were, it was almost like they were pouring into a gift. I didn't even know. And I just kept doing it.

And before I knew it. They were pouring into what? A gift that I didn't even know I had. Oh, okay. And I just kept doing it. And then I guess over time I kind of started nurturing it. And then I was like, I'm doing my life story, but I did 10 years in prison. That's a story.

That's a story every day. So I just started telling all the prison stories. But I would, like I said, I would do like a minute and a half. And I would say for the rest of it, go to YouTube. And before you know it, man, and shot the movie. And the series, go ahead. Well, how did, okay, I was just wondering. because you said you started on TikTok,

so you also started a YouTube channel and you were just driving traffic to the YouTube channel? Right. And then how did the series come about? Like, did you write? Oh, the series? That's crazy. Because, I mean, I thought, did you write the series?

I did, but I didn't. The first three and a half episodes, I did it out of the top of my head. I was just basically telling people to come, like, this is what we're doing. This is what you say. This is how we're going to do it. I'm telling my cameraman, this is how I want to shot.

No script, nothing? No. And after about three, episodes and I watched them, I was like, I'm doing this off the top of my head. If I wrote it, it'd be 10 times better. So I started writing. I wrote, so if you watch it, it's kind of traps on TV. If you watch it, you will be able to tell like four, five, and six is different because

I wrote it. But the movie we just wrapped last Tuesday, I wrote it. I wrote it all the way through Kyle 21 days. This is actually being edited. I'm hoping we drop it by the end of April. But the movie, I don't know if you seen, well, I probably didn't got them in this phone, but I had built a prison set. I don't know if you saw that.

No, I saw everything was happening in a, and they were, it was in a house. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. I built a prison set. That's how we ended up getting to the series because what I was going to do is I was going to recreate

the prison storytellers and reenactments. So I ended up, that's how I met her too. But, I think I got, if you could, you could, So the other thing I saw was people doing reviews. Yeah, you could kind of see, like this is a yon. Like, I kind of built. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Hey, that actually looks pretty good. Those doors look pretty good. Is that just wood? Yeah. It's just some, you just had a carpenter to it. Yep. That looks pretty good. I had my neighbor do it.

Yeah. Send those pictures of Matt. I can, I'm most definitely. I'm most definitely do it. But you got the videos. I got a, so I ended up building the set. And once I built the set, because I want to show this to you. Once I built the set, I was having people come and we were reenacting story times in the set.

This is a cell, the real flat TV. You understand. There's no TVs in federal prison. Really? You talk about the TV and. Wow. Yeah, so, yeah, that's kind of how it started. And then from there, I was like, man, let's film some stuff outside of here.

And we did the first three, three and a half. And I was like, hold on, we got something. And I started writing it. We dropped it on TV, man. It's going crazy. And I'm like, man, that wasn't even me and my. That was just. I was just, I saw reviews is what I saw too.

I saw people reviewing it. There was a woman that does a review. Oh, yeah. Posted a review from a woman. Well, she wasn't really reviewing it. she was just complaining that you hadn't put out another episode or something. And you were just re-up it. You were reposting what she had said.

Right, right, right. Yeah, they was asking about season two, which we're about to start filming probably next month. I just wanted to wait until he finished editing that. What's the series called? Traps. T-R-A-P-S-T-R-A-P-S-T-Eps. And then my book is The Life of Bubaker, which is on my website, jtb-b-3.org. What?

Yeah. I got a thousand books sitting in them. right now. But I just, that TikTok social media, man, is a, it changed my life, bro. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.

I'd be selling cars right now. Yeah, it's a game changer, man, if you want to put their work in. But once I started adjusting it moved out here and it's just been up from there, man. Yeah, the YouTube, the YouTube is performing well. Have you seen the YouTube channel? So on the YouTube channel, I only saw the Instagram channel. I don't even know the TikTok.

Just doing story time, like vertical video. Do you film on your phone? Yeah. Just no thumbnail or nothing. Nothing. 20,000 views, 15,000 views, 26,000 views. Like, that's good. But not, because, you know, typically, like a YouTube channel,

you're doing the thumbnails, you're doing all that type of stuff. You're doing podcast mic. For you to sit there and just talk to the camera and pull decent numbers. That's my morning. Like, I get up at 8.30. I set my phone up and I just, I just go. And the YouTube is got two over 200,000. 273,000 subscribers.

Yeah, you have, yeah, two years ago, you had a video hit 900,000. Yeah, that probably was the sleeping with the correction officer. Yeah, yeah. I didn't tell that story. I slept with an officer on Max. Yeah. Yeah. So the Indian chick never reached out to you?

Yeah. Yeah. Are you, yeah. Oh, my God. We actually stayed in touch probably my first five, six years when I came home. She would message me and then she ended up getting married and had two kids and, you know, but every now and then she used to just message me and it was like, hey, you're doing great. I'm proud of you and that be it.

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which is in Nashville, Tennessee on Cocker, B, B, Boulevard. So when I get there, I got long ahead of the time, and I kind of gained a little weight. And when I come in, they escort me like, I'm Hannibal Lecter. Like, I got handcuffs and shackles on, officers all around me because I'm the person that escaped and was on the news.

But when I walked in, it was a lady, she was on a clipboard, and she kind of looked up. And I just kind of looked at it, and I was like, hmm, I just had a feeling. But I ended up getting to the unit It's a guy named Green, man This guy was He was super duper intelligent

But he was out there And he was in It's like an observation cell Where they can see the windows Versus a cell door with the little window And they ended up put me In another cell beside him That was similar so they can watch me

Because they had to put me on Sidewater I guess for two, three days Until they put me in a regular cell And I watched Green Popp his water sprinkling So I'm thinking, man, they keep me in two, three days and watching me like this. Like, I'm going to just pop the water sprinkler.

So I ended up popping the water sprinkler, and it hadn't been popped in so long. Like, it was coming out black. Right. And they wouldn't, they weren't even trying to, they just let it flood. So after they got through that same lady, came over to the door,

and she was like, you see what they got you? That ain't going to work in here. They did jail stuff? That ain't going to work in here. Like, they ain't going to pay you no attention. You'll be sitting there, you'll be cold. And I'm like, oh, this was up so cool. I ended up getting out of their cell, and now I'm in the cell with just the regular little window.

So I used to try to talk to her in there, but she wouldn't talk to me. So I go to the shower one day. They come. I got to put my hands outside the pie flat. They put the handcuffs on me. I got to turn, put my legs on the bed. They put the shackles on my legs, and they escort me across to go in the shower. And when I come out of the shower, I seen her and I speak to her.

I was like, dang, what's up? I say her name. I say her name, but the way I said it, she could tell it was me basically shooting my shot, trying to holler at her. And she was like, and what, you got? Life? I was like, no, I ain't got no time yet. I was like, I'm fighting my case.

And I'm going to go home. So I'm going to go home. She was like, whatever, I seen that. I was like, yeah, I'm going to get ready to go home. So they take me in the cell, take the handcuffs and shackles off. I tap on the window to tell her to come over and talk to them. So she'd come over, we talked for just a brief second. And I basically started telling them I had money.

and that money was on my books and she was like yeah y'all be lying out of time about money on your books people don't even really be sending y'all stuff your family don't come to see you you you you throw your life away like she just talked to me and y'all throw your life away and then come in here and think y'all want to tell us about the little life you head like that's going to mean something and so she walked on out and i ended up going outside and this is when i actually had my first conversation with a guy in the penitentiary his name is um um um um dang we called him slim but he had uh he had a art case he had done 30 years he said he was innocent and the first thing and the first thing he said to me was uh if you didn't do it you need to tell and i'm fresh out

the streets i'm 19 i'm like but tell like i ain't gonna do i don't know what type of games you playing and he was like yeah you need to tell if you he was like i'm telling he was like i got locked up with a friend of mine my friend told me we're gonna be be all right. We went before the judge. They sentenced me to life sentence. The judge hit the gavel. My public pretender, the first time I heard that my public pretender was wrapping up his briefcase. I turned around. My mama had a stroke in the courtroom. And by the time I realized the bailiff was grabbing me and I was in the back and now I've been here 30 years. He was like, my mama pads and he just talked about all. He was like, and I've been here. Then he told me he was like,

I've been to max. I've been in the clothes. I'm stabbed people. I don't been stabbed. I've been in walls. I didn't did this. And then he said, I don't even slept with me. This is my first conversation in Pennsylvania. I said, what did you say? He said, you hear me? He said, he's standing in looking at me dead in my eyes. He said, I didn't even slept with me.

He said, where are you from? I'm scared now. I don't even, I'm Springfield. Wow, what's up? A little crack in your voice. I'm Springfield. He says, Springfield, Tennessee. I said, yeah.

And he asked me about a relative. He was like, do you know such, such? but I didn't tell him it with my cousin. And this is a big guy. He was like, he used to be my boy. I said, who? And he's repeated and he's like, yeah, we used to cuddle. We used to lay in the bunk together.

And I'm looking like, is he saying this to me? Like, what is it scary straight? Like, what is going on? He said, I'm telling you. He said, if you didn't do that, take my advice and tell, and go ahead and get the best deal and go home. That was my first And while he talking

She came out Because the wreck time over She came out Oh Dang I want to say his name Because I'm For people to pull him And see his case

Because he ended up getting out He was innocent They had enough to Yeah 30 years It was 30 something By this time When I met him

It was 30 Because I stayed on Max two years And he ended up They had just enough DNA to run it Again he got A pen pal I think they got him

In the Innocent project they ran it and he out he out he was on he was all over the news and everything and just me yeah but so they ended up um she ended up coming outside and she was like baker 41 41 46 that's my number and she was like i checked your books you got you a little money on your books and i said dain you check my books for real i had like $1,500 on her and she was like yeah you got you a little piece of bread on there whatever that ain't that impressive or whatever she said so they come in they get me from the rig and they take me back in but i'm like okay i guess you I guess I made an impression.

So they moved me upstairs, and I'm fighting my case. I'm back and forth to court. I'm back and forth to court. So one morning, one morning I get up, and I noticed she was there. When she come in, oh, now I had a court date. It was that morning. She come over. I hear women talk, but she knock on the window.

And when she said, I was like, and I raise up, I got on long johns. So in my long johns, I got more than wood. Right. But in my head, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm fin of, get her to see if she'll look. So I get up out of the bed and her eyes was and I said, what's you looking at?

She was like, boy, whatever. And she was like, pack your stuff, you got to go to court. She throw the bags under my bed. So when she threw the bags under my bed, I get it and I was like, hey, and she'd go to walk off. I said, hey, I said, you know I'm probably going home today.

She was like, for real. I was like, yeah, I'm probably going home today. I was like, man, let me hit you up. She was like, hold on real quick. Just that simple. And she walked out. went and wrote her number down, came back like she had to give me something, and slid it under the door and gave me her number.

She was like, just kind when you get out. I was like, dang, that was easy. Like, that's crazy. So I ended up going to court. They put me out three months. They put me out for another three months. I come back. When I come back in, she's standing by the desk.

She's standing at the desk. And as soon as I walked in, she did me like it. I said, man, I didn't get to, they put me out three months. Whatever went on. I said, they put me out three months. She was like, dang, that's messed up. So I go back to the cell. By the time they get me on hooked and all this old stuff,

she'd come over to our letting me. So we sit in here talking. And she was like, you know, I'm going to be in here on a night show. I was like, for real, she was like, yeah, when I come in on the nightshel, she was like, don't go to sleep here. She was like, don't go to sleeper. She was like, I'm like, all right, cool.

We can do that. I ain't thinking that. I ain't thinking that. I ain't even heard of this happening in Pentendry yet. I ain't been here. This ain't even Pentingra, it's like a hospital. Right. This ain't even like, so she come in on Thursdays

I'm laying down in the bed. I hear the exchange of the keys and I hear the radio hall. So I get up to look, it's her. I'm like, dang, she's here on Thursday shift. A lot of people up here on medication, they sleep. Like, I know they sleep. So I lay, I sit back down on the bed.

I hear her doing a count. When she get to my door, she flashed the flashlight in there. She was like, when I get through doing my account, come back over her, I'm like, all right, cool. So I sit there and I'm like, dang, I'm going to get the kick of the night. I don't know. This is the closest thing to being home.

So she finished her count. She come over to the door. I get up, we talk and we're going back and forth. And there's another woman who working out with her. The lady, I don't know if it was a call or whatever it is. She was like, let me go finish his paperwork. She was like, I'm going to come back and finish talking to you. I tap on the way.

I'm like, come in real quick. She was like, what is it? I said, come in here. I'm playing. Right. There's no way she's coming in. Ain't no way. I said, come in here.

She was like, what? She reached for the keys and go for the... I said, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. She was like, what? She said, I thought you wanted me to come here. I said, I said, give me a second. I said, let me finish watching my show. Monk about to come on.

I'm dead serious. I am dead serious. I am dead serious. She said, what? I said, let me finish watching Monk and then come back. She was like, you, you, you, I was like, yeah, let me finish watching Monk. So she put the key back in the little holster and walked off. And I was sitting there like, she was going to come in here.

Like, she was literally about to come in my cell. So I take the dial soap with a wash rag and wash all the walls. Like, I'm at home. Like, I wanted to smell good in myself or something. I don't know. Like, I wiped the toilet. Now, I cleaned everything. I took a bar, I took a bar of my dove soap, you know, and put it in the sock and smash it on the wall, like air freshener.

Smash it on the wall to get it. I was like, man, what is going? I got my clean boxes out and everything. I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here. I took my mat off the floor and laid it down. Because I'm like, how are we going to, if she come in here, I'm trying to situate it.

Like, how did this, should I put a cover of my window? Like, what, is she going to come in? I'm going through. And then I said, I'm going home. If she come in here and while I'm fighting this case, I'm going to run out and say she tried to do something to me. She tried to take it. She tried to take it.

This is what I say. I said, no. forget that. The plan is she tried to take it. The state going to have to work out something or they're going to have to pay me. I'm a master security inmate. I ran the all down. I'm a mass security inmate. My doors do not supposed to open without handcuffs and shackles and two, three officers. Ain't no way. I ain't even in the penitentiary yet.

It is third shift wise my door open and the officer in here. I'm going to run out naked. That's what I said. I'm going to run out naked and just be screaming and screaming and screaming. So I hear, I'm watching Monk. I'm watching Monk. It was my favorite, with my favorite show at the time. I'm watching Monk. It started going off. And I heard, I said, she's coming over here for real.

I can see her shadow on the wall. It's getting bigger and bigger. I said, she comes up. She's coming over here for real. She comes to the door. Get on the crack. She said, you ready? Yeah.

Look, she put the key in there. I hear, I said, I'm going to go home. I'm going to get out. They're going to say, boy, they're going to say I ran off with this. I had an escape jail. And then now for the boy, I said, this is about to do it. So she stepped in the threshold of the door.

I'm standing in the back of the cell. I'm just standing there. I got my shirt out. I'm just standing there. I don't know what's going on. I don't trust you. And she was like, what's up? What's you going to do?

I said, what's you going to do? Like, it was weird. She reached back outside the door, pulled a latch, and pulled it to where the door wouldn't close. She pulled it up. I was like, okay, she's here. She was like, boy, I ain't got out all day. Come on.

And started unbucking her pants. As she walked to me, I set the mat back down on the floor. She got down, turned, toothed it up. I looked down. Twat just I was like What? I said it Is it?

Can I ask you a question? Go ahead. What does this chick look like? She was nice. I kid you not. I want to say her name. I've been wanting to say it for years. I promise you I have.

She was probably, she was tall. I was just about, you go back? She was tall. She probably was about 5'8. She had braids. She was dark-skinned. Like, she was a nice build.

I ain't even going to lie. But when she, I was, I was like, that's cat in myself. This on top of this. I was like, before you knew it, I, and it was going down. Like it was literally going down. We got vending. She got up. I got back up and stood back, pulled my, still scared.

And she walked out of cell, closed the door. I guess she went and washed up, came back and said, That wasn't enough. My home girl, once we finish this, pay work. We're going to come in there. I'm going to come in there. We're going to do everything. We're going to do it all.

We mean we. No, no. No, I missed quote. Yeah, she said, I'm going to come back in. She said, we're going to do it all. I was like, I was like, oh, I'm going to go to sleep. I promise you. I was like, no, I was scared.

I was like, we're going to get you at another time. Like, I'm tired. I'm like, she was like, are you for real? I was like, I'm dead serious. Don't come back in here. Don't come back in here. She came back. I seen her one last time, about four months later, she claimed she had an abortion,

that she had, whatever, and then she ended up getting fired because an inmate got called with a phone and he had a bunch of news in her. Then all the inmates started talking and saying that's what she was doing. Yep. Yep. The prison was, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, like, this is crazy. No. Oh, the death row.

Oh, yeah, I was on death row. row. That was on that row. For what? Because when I went, this is a prison called Charles Bass. It's a minimum restrict or minimum security prison.

And when they discharged me from this prison where I had relations with the correctional officer, with the officer. The Indian. No, not the Indian. The girl I just told you about it. Okay.

When it, from her, I'm going to say her name. I'm going to say a name because she got fired anyway. Nix. Officer Nix After Officer Nix I got moved to Charles Bads because they discharged me

because I was playing crazy at the time so I'm there basically they were trying to pump me full of psychotropic meds and I told them I was going to quit taking them I was done taking them so they moved me to Charles Baz so now I'm in the hole they don't even have a maximum security

holding place I was supposed to go to River Bend which is a maximum security prison and they all on the same role Charles Baz River Bands, River Bion. in special needs. So they take me down here to Charles Bad,

they got me in Gile 4, which is the hole, like I said. And they moved me in and said where my TV won't get no signal. God forbid. Listen. I don't have TV. Man. So I started tripping. I'm kicking the door.

And it was a guy next to me, the guy, I don't know if you're familiar with the Marshall Trimble case, the guy that they said that Marshall Trimble, y'all look it up but he was jerome barrett is his name he was next door to me i didn't even know who he was and he tapped on the on the wall and spoke to me through the plug he was like hey young blood uh you need to quit making out of that noise and i popped off on him man i don't know who you talking to man i ain't man get out and go make bond and he was like all right all right he ain't argue with me the next day they came and got him in the morning he went to court i'm i did could get a little bit of the news i couldn't get my favorite channels i get the news he was on the

news. And I was like, that's the dude I was talking crazy to. Like, I might need to leave him alone. But anyway, I get into it with, I get into what, what was he in for? He had a child charged. Oh, okay. Yeah, he had one of them. He had a, he had a, and it was a murder. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had two of them. Jerome Berry, yeah. I want to remember the guy named that I just said it got out. But, um, so I get into it with, I get into it. I get into with the police because I'm trying to

get out of this cell so I don't flooded it. I don't put lemonade, coolade, and some bread in my

shampoo bottle and shook it up real good and it told them that it will yearn and feces. Okay. They don't serve

my food so my flap is open. So I got my arm outside of the flap and I'm telling them the water to cut the

water off is beside me. And I'm saying whoever try to open this and turn this water off and keep me from flooding it, I'm going to spray feces on you. So, so nobody's, no inmate is wanting to open up this thing and, and cut it out, because if they come close, I squirt it and they, they don't want to do it. No inmate, no.

The inmates, the inmates, the rock men, they try to make the, because the rock men, they down here clean in the water. Okay. And they also telling the rock man to go and shut their water off. But I'm telling them, I'm going to spray you. So I was a Bugsby I remember you Bugsby

Bugsby comes in He walks over to the door He said I'm gonna give you three seconds To close their flap Or I still got a mark on my hand I'm gonna give you three seconds To close their flap up Or I'm gonna

And he kicked the And he wasn't playing He counted he kicked and he caught it And it bust my finger open And blood Just kind of squirted out real quick And so when they got the water cleaned up, turn the water out, they call medical down because they got to clean up

their blood. And I had some blood inside the cell. So they're telling me they got to come in the cell to clean the blood. And I'm telling them, if they're not putting handcuffs and shackles on me, ain't nobody coming in here. Because I'm going to feel like y'all are three, y'all trying to do something to me. Bugs be telling the regular officer open that door. And I told him, Matt, don't open that door. If you don't put handcuffs and shackles on me, I'm going to take it as y'all I come in here try to do something to me, and I'm going to fight. And he stuck the key in the door. They're going back and forth.

And eventually, he opened the door. As soon as he opened it, I bust out of the door, grabbed Mack threw him out of the way. He was an older guy. And me and Buzzbee was going at it. They slammed him down on the ground. And when I slammed him, he put his thumbs in my eyes almost like he was going to poke my eyes out of there. And at that point, some Mac started spraying Mason's. Just Mason went everywhere.

I ain't got on handcuffs and shackles. I'm going to stay keeping it. I'm supposed to. So I feel my way to the bathroom in the staff bathroom, which got a latch lock, not a key on the outside. I go in the staff bathroom and latch the lock. And they beg of me to come out. I'm like, no, get the warden here. I don't care what time they're until the warden. I'll sit in here until the warden come. So the warden finally came after like two, three hours. And he was like, what's going on? I said, I don't think I'm going to tell you is I feel like I was, I felt like it was a threat on my life. I said, I'm here on safekeeping because of the escape. I'm being held as a

maximum security inmate. I'm on 23 and 1. I said, I've been trying to get out of that cell. I said, but bugs me, and he busts my finger, which is bleeding right now. I said, I told him don't open up that door because he's done that. And I said, I ain't got on no handcuffs and shackles. I don't suppose, he said, I'll tell you what, Baker. If you are unlocked this door and you don't have on no handcuffs and shackles, I'm going to take care of it. He said, you ain't got nothing to worry about. I unlocked the door. He looked at me. He said,

where bugs be? And he walked off. He said, man, y'all get this man what he won't, clean him up. And he lost his rank. He went back to a regular officer.

And he was, I can't forget, I can't remember how long he was off. But they moved me in his back corner cell. And after I was there for a certain amount of time, I got involved with another one, but it didn't get too big, but I did get involved with another one.

But while I was there, the flood hit. in May. I can't remember the year. It might have been 2010, it had been 2010, because that's when I took my time. 2010, May, a flood hit in this area in Nashville, Tennessee. Shut down the whole prison. They actually tore their prison down because the mold, they couldn't, it was their bad.

So they evacuated the prison. Now I end up at the prison, River Bend, where I was supposed to belong. But now that they're having to evacuate, I don't get to go to a mass security unit. I end up on the death row unit. because of the flood. And as I'm on the death row unit, the guy beside me, Jeff Heights, I think it's his name.

He was the guy that the nurse ended up shooting in the courtroom when he was going back and forth the court. He was at Morgan County. He was at a prison in Morgan County, and they was going back to forward the court, and he had something going on with her. And the nurse was in the courtroom and started shooting. and they escaped.

So he was next door to me. And then the other guy that was on the right side of me, he had been in the same cell over 25 years. He was the only person that would talk to me. And yeah, that's how I ended up back there on a death row unit, which was a weird experience because I was kind of worried about going back there because I'm thinking these people were going to be loud and reckless, but these were the most quiet, chill.

They don't like a lot of noise. And they would probably suffer from super depression, right? Like, it's got to be... Yeah, they seemed very active, though. Like, I could see... They were working out, uh, Robert... I think his name, Robert Carruth.

Roba... Robert Carruthers was back there. He used to hang his mat up and punch it, like a... And he buried people alive. And I was also locked over his charge partner, James Montgomery. But, yeah. But, yeah, I was on a death row unit for about three months.

And then they threatened to... unaligned me, the inmates did, because it was me and another guy. We were both young and we were just talking about home and getting out. They don't want to hear that. They wrote and told the CO, and the CO came and told, they was like, they want us to get y'all out of here. They said the first chance they get, they're going. And I was like, well, y'all need to get me up out of here.

But I ended up going to court a little bit after that, and that's when I ended up taking the time. And when I took the time, they took me to Charles Bass, and then from Charles Bats, I went to West High and got classified and went to Northwest where my prison bid started. How did you end up in Texas? That's a story with this. I ended up in Texas. When everything was going viral on TikTok, I was doing a lot of lives, and I had slowed down on traveling with the books because I was selling so many online.

But I was thinking about getting back on the road, so I announced. And I'm like, what cities are y'all in? What cities y'all want me to come to? So people just started saying where they were. And I had somebody out for me to say, if you come to Texas. And I was like, man, I'm thinking I'm going to go for a year. And I ended up going and liking it. And it was like, no, I'm going to stay.

Texas, where? Dallas. Dallas. Yeah. Well, I'm in Arlington now. But, yeah, I started in Dallas. And it's been up. Man, I met great people.

My fiancee. people love me to Delta man and shoot I love Texas Texas love me back yeah so yeah that's how I happen

what do you think I think it's good the only question I have and you don't have to answer it if you don't think it really adds to the story was there a point in prison where you kind of made that shift was there like a pivotal point

that made you have that mental shift of like, okay, like I'm going to work on bettering myself or whatever. When I got to the prison with my uncle, when I got to the prison with my uncle, I was already mentally tired. I think I was already going through, I think, I guess you could say like an identity crisis in prison. It wasn't that I was scared. I was aware of who and what I was around.

It was almost like, I got to go along and get along for the time. I have to be somewhat of the monster or obese to survive this. I have to somewhat be manipulative and somewhat. be, you know, a con in some way, because ain't nothing free in the penitentiary, and every conversation leads to, you know, you just never know. But the pivotal moment was when me and my daddy got into it, and we had that break. And then when I looked at him in his sleep and realized, like, this is, and I did have one conversation with him while we were breaking down Green one time, and I said, we got to stop.

And he looked me dead in my eyes. He said, you can. He said, I got to live here. and that was my reality like yeah i get it you ain't even got to explain i understand exactly what you're saying and when i got to the prison with my uncle was i i literally felt like god wouldn't allow anything to work i i believe that what all in my heart it was like no i ain't been stabbed in prison and i've went through some things but not things i've seen people go through and i done some things got away with a lot of things

in prison almost. And it was just like, man, I want to get this to try. And I'm getting ready to go home. Like, I went in when my daughter was four. I'm going to go home. She's going to be 14 years old. And I didn't see my daughter the whole 10 years. I didn't see my daughter the whole 10 years I was gone.

They see my mom in the whole team. I didn't see none of my family. The whole entire time I was locked up in prison. I watched my daughter grow up through pictures. And the only thing she knew of me is what everybody said. And I'm like, I don't want to go home and recreate or be that. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So, but it was scary too because I didn't know what I was going to do. You make all these plans in prison. And listen, you, when they, it's just like coming in prison. When you walk in prison, there's no guide to tell you how to get through this. You got a couple of guys that might tell you, hey, but you literally have to figure it out. It's the same way when you walk out of here. Them programs are for their black and white. You could say you took Angerman, you could say you took A, you could say you took there through the community.

You can say you took all these programs. That ain't nothing. When you walk out in prison and walk out of prison, fed wherever and realize you have to acclimate your mind. My time stopped. My time stopped in 2007. You got all these new memories. I sit around people at some point.

It was just like, I'm, what is going on? All I have to talk about is 2007, 2007, 2005, 2006. So, and when I got around my uncle, I was like, this is the opportunity. And then when they denied me for parole and I wrote them books, I loved how it made me feel. I really did.

It was a scripture, which is one of my favorites. It said, one of the man weighs pleased how it makes even his enemies be at peace with him. And I said, I got a lot of enemies.

I need this scripture to be real. In my life, I robbed a lot of people. I heard a lot of people. I shot a lot of people. I did a lot of things. I need my enemies to be a peace with me.

And so I said, I got to, I got at least try to do this different and I don't have no regrets. I really don't. And it ain't even about the things that I have, man. It ain't about the home or the car. It ain't about none of that. It's what I have here. What I have here, the stability and the peace that I have and the life that I have, the people that I'm surrounded by. Like, it amazes me because I would never have been able to fathom this in the life that I live.

I didn't even think this is possible. Right. The way I live, because I used to speak at a lot of churches, I used to always say when I spoke, I thought everybody was living like me, and I meant it from the bottom of my heart. You couldn't convince me people were making an honest living, and you couldn't convince me that everybody wasn't selling drugs or doing drugs or robbing or scamming or doing something. everybody I knew was. Everybody I was around.

Everything was the life. So getting a taste of what I have now is I'm going to be real. It's like, bro, it's like I'm, I tell you before, it's like I'm dead somewhere and I'm having an out-of-body experience. That's the best way I can explain it. It's like I'm somewhere in a coma waiting to wake up and say, I knew it had to be in a dream. And I mean that. It's that real.

Like, my life is that peaceful. I always said before, when I go, I want to go empty. If anything was to happen to me, if I had to lay on my deathbed and they told me I had three days left, I wouldn't sit there and feel like it ain't something that I didn't do. Everything I thought of, I tried it. I did it. If it didn't work, I tried some of it. If I go, I'll go empty. And that's what I feel.

And I contribute a lot of that to prison, but I contribute a majority of, I contribute more of it based on the environment that I grew up in. People would think it's prison. I saw it. Prison allowed me to really get in a space to say, okay, we can switch up something somewhere

because now you had a time to sit. I've been seen it, But when you seeing it and in it, it's hard to get out of it. How do I, everybody drug dealers, nobody's married, nobody's in healthy relationships, nobody's teaching real things, nobody has financial literacy. Who do I go to for that? Who do I talk to? Who can show me something different?

Prison allowed a time at some point of saying, you can't keep doing that. to start trying to readjust this and then coming home after 10 years and seeing how everybody's in the same condition no so this that i would say that's that's where it started realizing it's got to be more to life and right now i have that i have the more to life yeah that's what i'd say so hey you guys i appreciate you watching do me favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified videos like this. Also, we are going to leave all of Joe Baker's links in the description box. So go there, follow them, subscribe, check out his content. Do me a favor and check out our Patreon. It's $10 a month that really does help us make videos like this. I really do appreciate it.

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