Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Largest Grow Operation In Nebraska History...

Episode Date: January 13, 2024

The Largest Grow Operation In Nebraska History...

Hey, this is Matt Cox, and we're going over one of the largest grow operations in Nebraska history. So you were born in what? Vietnam. Yes. All right. I came to the United States when I was like eight years old. All right. With both your parents?

No, just my mom. We were on a fishing boat, and we were escaped from Vietnam, 87. I think I was like your dad was what? No, I don't have a father. Well, it's not immaculate conception. You have a father. I don't have a father, but like I disappear in my mom. Right.

So was it a U.S. a GI or was it? Oh, yeah, my first, my mom's first husband, he's a GI. Okay. And her second husband, that's my father. And the guy disappeared in my mom after I came out. Okay. So my mom came to United States with the, this, a GI widow because her first husband died.

Right, all right. And that's, I go by his last name because he is, he, you know, Vietnamese traditions, I just carried a guy's last name because I don't really have a fucking last name myself. That's fine. I don't know, you can cuss. So I came to Thailand in 87. So you went to Vietnam, from Vietnam to Thailand

because the communists were taking over, is that? Correct. Okay. That's when everybody, like, shit hits the fan. Yeah, yeah. Like, man, we got to get out of Dodge. Yeah. Yeah.

And it was kind of crazy because there's three days on a fishing boat on a boat we had no water. The grown-up fuck everything up for us. So it was like no water and no food. And we were just like stranded into like the oceans floating for like three days or no water. Luckily, the Thailand ship, fishermen rescue us and the American GIs came and all that bullshit. That's why I end up here. Well, so you went to you went to Thailand and then you what? Then you, you migrated here, like, the U.S.

Camp, yes. Okay. How long were you in the refugee camp? Six months. Six months? Yeah, I was like six months at eight years old in a refugee camp. Yeah, fucking, yeah, hang it. So it got worse when I came to America, and I live in Washington,

and there plays me like this, fuck, it was like a hood. So, like, my first experience was, like, seeing all those guys, gangsters. Like, it was like the early, it was like the early 80s. So it was like, you see, like, that was like a crack era and all that bullshit. So it was like the hood. Right. And Seattle, so it was kind of like messed up, you know what I'm saying. So I've seen all this and I was just kind of like, wow, kind of scary when you're intimidated you when you're eight year old.

Scarrier in Seattle than it was in Vietnam? Well, Vietnam, I didn't really. I mean, I don't know. I'm just asking. I'm not, I'm just saying I would be terrified in Vietnam. But, you know, just to me, especially during the war, even after the war, even worse. Yeah, it was worse in the countryside. But when you're young, like, growing up in Vietnam, I, when you're young, you don't really understand how it is.

But when I was getting older in America, I understand these people. I started understanding things in America. Right. Like, why does, you know, guys, like, dealing drugs. I was like, why the guy's doing that? And notice the shit I see when growing up, you know, in Seattle. So it's kind of messed up. Okay.

And from that on, I, you know, this is where I learned how to, like, sell weed and all that bullshit. So you started hanging out with that. Yeah, I started hanging out with, like, all those Asian, you know, older cats around me. I was, like, 13, 12, but they were, like, 18, 19. They all drive, like, nice cars fucking, back then, Jericho was a fucking big thing for Asian people, too. So, you know, that's how they look. So, and I hang around with them, and I would skip school, hang around them all the time. I just learned how, like, that's how you steal a car.

That's how you did this. So that's, you know, so, oh, okay, that's how you buy shit like that. So I was learning all the street shit, stuff, the school shit, because for me to see shit and learn it, it's more like I was learning to experience more than be in school. Because I couldn't fucking do it. And so that on, it leads me to. 16 years old After that I was 16

I fucking Me and my step They had an artication So I left the house I never came back So I dropped out of high school Left the house Here I am with all these

My little homies And what we did for money Was a day time We go like rough houses And a night time We go jack cars You know like steel stereos And rims and shit

We're fucking little kids We just want to get high And smoke weak and fuck bitches Right That was what we do We just fucking kids You know So instead of going to school

So we have apartment I'm my boys We just lived there What's what we do Until like I started like Selling wheat First I sell like

Crack Coke All that But I didn't like the game Right It's a fucking dirty game I see people It's life miserable I hate it

And what I like about weed Is because It charges less And I'll kill people Right I don't have to do scummy shit This and that I'm just fucking sell

We And you're just dealing With guys That just want to smoke pot Correct, sir. You know, like, those kind of things. I don't, you know, so that's why I like the weed game. I started, like, 20 sacks selling pounds.

Went to, like, five pounds, 20 pounds. From that 16 on, I just keep hustling. And then I had guys that sell my wheat, but I was all right. And I met my girl, her name was rainy. I had a little son, 1990, 1999, December. Roughly. Yeah, probably 40. You were 40?

No, no, no. I was 19. My baby. You were probably 19. Yeah. So I had him, and we had a good thing. But that time I was young, so I was kind of like still fucking around, thinking this and that.

And I cheat on her. Kills me. So fucking, she finds out about it, and we broke up. So that was in all three. And I fucking, I left. that's when you went to Canada I have to go somewhere I'm I was like I fucked up man right fucked up man you know they so I went to you know and I heard my family was like in this game too like the girl week game I want to like you know since I'm I just want to go

a new game you know so I went up to stay in Canada I like the people there Toronto so I stayed for another two years so your family your family you had family members in in Toronto know, and they were also selling weed. So you went up there to kind of what, figure out how to grow it? No, just like vacations. Kind of like, kind of like just getting, just to get away, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just want to get away, you know, and then I stumbled into that. But I know, like, they were growing from, you know, I know it because they're doing pretty good.

And so it's kind of like went over there, I like chill, learn it, you know, then that's how I got into it. But what did you learn? You learned that they were growing it? I learned how to grow. Because the guy the later on I got caught with, that's actually my, he's my partner. He's like fucking 30 years, 20 years older than me. I call my uncle.

He's like my partner in Canada already. We had a house together. We were doing it. So, you know, that's how I was able to sustain myself all this time. You know, it's just from like, from our weed and shit. So, you know, I was learning how to grow weed in Canada, and we had a house up there. So I was learning while I was working with him.

But I was having fun too. So I'm single. I'm just like, man. I don't know, bro. I just, at the time I'm alive, I was pretty fucked. I was party all the time, you know. Maybe you're like 19, 20 years old. How long were you up in Canada for?

Two years. Two years? Yeah. So when I went to, and then I heard I had a family in Nebraska. So no me, I had no fucking family with brothers, nothing like that. So every time I heard a family member, I'm like, wow, that's like, that's crazy to go see them. Right. So I went over here and then I just, you know, fucking around.

I stayed for like Nebraska for two weeks. And I was smoking weed And I was like These some fucking brick wheat Like seeds and stem I haven't seen this shit It's like 1994 Right

You get what That's from like what The Mexican Mexican Yeah the Mexican The Mexican The fucking bricks When you just

Throw people This shit's the lyrics So I You know I'm smoking that shit It takes me like 20, 30 minutes And get out of

fucking season stamps And all the bullshit And I figure Why don't I just fucking grow That shit It's cool

you know, the show, the citizen I'm growing is called B.C. But, because I took the clone from Canada and bring it back. So, uh, that's how I got it. I started that. Right. So I started. That's how I started it. In, but this is, this is in Nebraska. Yeah. So I took Canada. Right. You took the Canadian weed. You brought it there and you start growing it there. Growing it. I mean, was it right away you bought a house and you converted it? No, I mean, it was kind of like I didn't buy a house and converted. like crazy converted i can't afford a fucking nice house so what i did was you know that rent-to-own bullshit right yeah so what i did was uh this guy he had a house on 33 x street and it was a

shitty fucking house like one bedroom house so fucking shitty so i bought this house to rent-to-own giving five grand and his pay my pain was 500 bucks a month that was it you know what i'm saying and it was rent-to-own man that must be a shitty house it was a shitty house so i was growing in my living room and we had like Liz Little fucking like you know

back in a hard years ago to dig some shit underground like a fucking I don't know it's about 10 by no it's like

seven by seven just enough for me to vetch you know vetch weed right so it was like two stage

vetching and blooming so I vetched my weed down there and a flower on my living room and this and 03

oh 4 my ex my girlfriend she hit those bitch fucking cold me up but like yo I can't take care of your son

so here I am fucking gotta take care of my fucking son that motherfucker's like four years old you know so no five years old so I got raised him you know we were like living in this little

fucking little room and the little room's for a week and I got to tell this guy yo do not tell anybody about what daddy doing and I wait so did you so you went back to Seattle

picked him up and brought him back or she had come she just showed up in Nebraska said here no she called me off Well, I know, but yeah, yeah, but she showed up, and she's like, I can't take care of him. You're going to take care of him. You used to have step up some shit, and I'm like, what the fuck?

I'm living in a grow house, right? You see my living room, so when she came over, she didn't stay in my house. She was, I would have to put her a whole motel because the room wasn't big enough, just me, me, me, it's me and I'm saying. That was it, a fucking TV, a bed, and a little, fucking little fridge, and I'm just waiting for the time to harvest, so I could, you know, get a little better because that time I only had like maybe like six months of expenses, like maybe six, seven thousand, my rents five hundred and I got a kit. So I'm trying to budget every fucking thing out. You know what I'm saying?

So that's it. How many plants are you growing? Oh, my heart plant at that time at that time. Yeah, that time that was a harm. I did a heart. My harvest, it was like, so three and a half months later, it was like, it was like, Like, my, my bad, three and a half months later, like, when I harvest, it was like, maybe I made like 16 grand out of it.

So that's one like, okay, so you're taking 16 grand over three months. That's 4,000. Or that's what? Yeah, but a little over 5,000 a month. Yeah, but it was to me, I was just like, wow, all right, so I could breathe a little bit, at least have some money because now, like, I'm still still surviving, but I haven't really, you know, and after that, a month later, a month later, a month later, a month later, so the harvest come in every month?

Yeah. every no every six weeks bro but it's every fucking six weeks so I was able to harvest but that time I didn't steal I didn't steal electricity yet later on so here's the thing about the

the electricity and I've heard this before from guys where they were like like I guess you're drawing the lights draw a different type of ampage or something and as a result the the electric company kind of figures out

what he's got to be running lights or something and then so then they'll get like a warrant and come after you like the cops will is that that's the is that why you steal the uh electricity that and cost right correct because uh each is bell is it sucks a thousand watts it's a thousand wealth of one light for how long for it depends how you run it 12 hours 18 hours oh okay you know I'm saying so I mean back in the day the uh it's called high sodium hyper is it high pressure sodium and metal highlight. Okay.

Those shit drains a lot of electricity. It's not like nowadays where every fucking LED and shit like that. Yeah. So when you use too much, like maybe 10 of them, it would reflect your house. You pull in too much electricity. And now the local cops can get,

or the, where a DEA can get like a warrant and just rage your shit. Well, what happened is like the electricity companies will come and check it out. And after that, we reflect,

they were red flag to the police department because old day, what happened is to fly a cup there by your house. and they shoot infrared down your house your basement just see the heat level so i mean how long can you get away with it until that happened well you got to be nice to your neighbor your neighbors want to fuck you up well one thing is uh what i learned after uh you got to be nice to your neighbors yeah yeah my mom yeah like and uh after where after that i learned how to i'll pay my old boss

to come down Nebraska teach me how to fucking stole that power right so the guy from canada comes down. At this point, you have one house. That's one. Right. Just that extra. Yeah. But at this point, you realize, I got to figure that to get around that, I got to steal electricity.

Because I see people got busted. Like, people got busted with like how, like, I, there's people in Seattle got buses like that all the time. Right. With fucking, like, crazy fucking power. But to figure it out a way how to tap the wire, the power before it registrate into the meter. Right. So that's what happened.

That's what happened. So when I got busted, when it helped me, how the fuck you did that? You know, that was my shit too. Because I wonder how I did it. That's how I did it. I was able. So, man, you got to think, like, a regular house you could do max is like eight lights, two for vetching and eight for flowering. But you could triple that amount by power of like 30,000 watts, you know what I'm saying?

Before it goes in the meter. So the power comes on is the main live wire. limited power so it never registered you up to anything the meter so they never know to how much fucking power used from them right if it doesn't if it doesn't go through the meter they have no no clue because it's fucking live right right it's live like they i don't know technology now today could you could do it maybe back in my day's like yeah so okay so so you're so you're basically you're you're circumventing the meter and and stealing power and And so you're basically unlimited on as many plants as you can grow.

As many as you can get in the house. That's why, yeah, that's, yeah. So you jump from what? So what, what happened then? You got another house? What? Yes. So I went and got in the house on normal streets.

And that time, I had no job. So I have to like. A normal street? Yeah, it's called normal. I love that you got X Street, normal street. Ain't a fucking some shit. All right. Yeah, the whole crazy story.

You know, I have none of that shit, so I had to get people under his name. So my friend, his name was Toy Vaughal, he helped me get that house, and that's how I met Aaron Polk. So on normal street. What was the name? The first guy, Trevault. What? Huh? The guy that helped you get the house.

Oh, Toy Vault. Toy Vault. Well, and he's also Vietnamese? Yeah, he's Vietnamese. Okay. He ended up, we were, I was doing pretty good until he ended up killing somebody. Yeah, that always throws a wrench in the machinery. Well, the fucked up thing is the dude that he killed end up being gay.

Yeah. So he was jealous, right? So he was jealous. His girl was, like, dancing with this gay dude at the club. And we all knew what the dude was fucking gay as fuck, because we know he was gay. Right. So, what Toy Vaugh that night, I was willing to go hang with him and, you know, shoot some shit. And, you know, talk, you know, but I didn't hang with him that night.

So he hanged by himself, went to the club, whatever. He said, he saw that dude. what happened is he's shanked a dude I don't know how fucking time The dude end up dying So he got life right now You know We should talk

Yeah but but So he fucked me up A bitch I stabbed him before And he didn't die No sorry Okay so he It's fucking wild bro So he stabbed some guy

All right A boyfriend Whatever Yeah it was like some Just because a gay guy Was dancing with his girlfriend That was the reason why A gay guy was dancing with his girlfriend

So he stabbed the gay guy Yeah. Oh, okay. Now it makes sense. Okay. My bad, man. I'm right. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, still. Anyway, so he stabbed him and not how I typically resolve my differences with people, but that's fine. Yeah. So that guy dies and they come after your buddy. Yeah. He goes to prison.

Yes. So here I am. Stuck with a house with a bunch of fucking wheat and my, you know, he's my, he's my, he's my co-signer. But then I got to deal with his fucking ass. He's in jail, prison forever. You know what I'm saying? So what I did was just, I just shut the house down. But when I met Aaron, that's when I bought a house from Aaron.

So we and Aaron, we became, like, really good friends. You know, I tell him my story. So he knows here I am walking with a kid all this time. I'm with a fucking, like, my son's 4 or 5 years old. All the fucking time. So here, even when I go say weed, I'm with the fucking kid. Every what I do, I'm with the fucking kid. Is Aaron also Vietnamese?

No, he's white. Okay. Why, Aaron Polk's, my bad. Because, I mean, a lot of your co-defendants, I know, are Vietnamese. Like, everybody thus far has been Vietnamese. This is the first white guy that's injured the... I know when I saw all the mug shots. Like, there was always, like, Vietnamese, Vietnamese, Vietnamese,

and then there was, there was... Two guys. Yeah, the guy, Kevin Polk, Karen Bolton, he's the guy to snitch me out when he got caught in my house. He's the one that told on me. Right. Because... Oh, we got to do that.

Yeah. I'll tell you that later, bro. All right, so right now, you shut down the house with Aaron. No, I shut down that, yeah. Okay, and then you, what did you do, get another house? I got another house with Aaron. When I met Aaron, that's when, like, shit's kind of, like, helped me out a little bit. So now I got, like, I know.

Aaron, he owns an investment for him, an investment for him, like, really estate's investments, right? You know what I'm saying? Selling around, you know, so all right, now I got a fucking house. You get on somebody who can get you the houses. Yes, and I learned how the power comes from. So now it's like, okay, but I'm still with a fucking kid. So my time is always with the kid. And then now I got the house on 81st Street.

A big house. He was like 3,000 square foot, like three garage. I love the basement because it's 1,000 square foot. I didn't give a fuck about nothing. I just care how big the house is. How new power is it? How many hours is it? How many amps is it?

Is it new? Can I do this? How many plants can I get in it? Correct, sir. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, I hit the house up with like a thousand pet plan at first. A thousand, but it takes me forever clone all that shit. So what happens, you have to pry before anything you do, you have to prepare.

Like, I have to clone a month ahead of schedule because it takes seven days, get roots or whatever it is, another three weeks or four weeks to get mature enough to plan. Right. Kind of like stages and stuff like that. Yeah. I had a thousand plans in there and now like I'm doing 30 lights you know what I'm saying so this is my first

time ever gonna like full power with this house and I love it right so like now I have client tells already those clientels I'll be building and now I had that house so that's how happens but then bam shit hit the fence again I got caught

yeah it was in 2006 I owned that house oh yeah that time I own a pool hall too so what you want to because basically at this point you're making money you're starting to make some money well right yeah or no I bought a pool hall I bought Bill and win pool hall and uh I think was like 06 well I mean you must have been making money at this point oh yeah I buy a pool hall well it was through an Asian guy was like 30 grand you know most people most people don't

have 30 grand I'm just letting you know most people don't have 30 grand to blow on a pool hall so you must be doing starting to do okay well so mad mad mad like Like yourself, you're an entrepreneur, like, your mind's always like, yo, I'm going to make some more. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. And like, I understand. You're acting like, I wasn't like, yeah, I was really scraping by. You just bought a pool hall for 30 grand.

I mean, you're not broke. So you're doing, you must, you're starting to make some money. Oh, yeah. I mean. Right. But I wasn't like, like, like, you were on ball and no, I understand. No, no, I was driving Ferraris and no, that's later on. Yeah, that's later on.

Yeah, that's later on. You know what I'm. Man, my life is so fucking comical, man. It was like the shit is so fucking funny sometimes So what happened So how did you get busted? Huh? What led you you getting busted?

The first time Oh, the first one The three three yeah the X street house Well I had a I think it was my fucking dog Or some shit like that And like I didn't write Like I'm supposed to like

Talk to the fucking my rent My rent to own landlord or some shit And I never did So I must have went on my house And fucking like Open it He fucking saw all that. And that's how I got busted.

But I won. See, because I won the fucking case, it makes me think I was arrogant for that. So he, wait, wait. So you, how did you get arrested, though? Like, they came in and they grabbed you? Like, what happened? No, I got arrested because my neighbor was like, hey, we saw a bunch of cops go to your house. Oh, okay.

And I was just like, oh, shit. So I was like, all right. So that time, I shut down the pool hall. So I was laying low. I was just laying low for, like, maybe like, 8. not once and just kind of like just go one day you were hiding now yeah yeah yeah just do one thing until I went to the casino and I was driving one day then I got busted then I had a lawyer a cart paying like 20 grand and fucking yeah and this is the local cops had rated the place

it was yeah it was local it wasn't DEA or anything no no dude dude was just like it was kind of shitty too because I kind of like all the plans was kind of dead because I was already right kind of like I don't need that house no more I was kind of like gonna like get that house get ready and just finally sell it out whatever because that house I was I was I was done I was on a different level right now I don't need that so that cussed me like I got I want the case instead of a manufacturer I walk away with possessions under a pound so I did four months in jail because I mean they could there was like a hundred pound plants in there no but just bunch of fucking like meal small shit you know what I'm saying yeah it was just

vegging okay so if you added it all up it wasn't yeah it wasn't it wasn't like that you know so I got away with that and while I was in jail I had my uh well so I had my cousin whatever it is get pick all the weeds from all those people he got busted I was on my fucking this so I was in jail and I was selling wheat already you know what I'm saying because I tell me hey go pick up my shit make sure all my fucking guys eat because what he did I was in jail for four months he was selling all my wheat you know I still make money

I was in jail right yeah so the houses are still going no the house kind of stopped but I was I was buying wheat see all the guys that grow wheat I was buying the shit I'm not just a girl I'll buy everybody's shit too so now you're distributing you're buying the stuff and you're redistributing to your dealers that are selling

that had their customers okay so you while you're in prison well I mean while you're locked up waiting for this charge to get a yeah so like I was still doing that. I was just, like, but then that's how, like, all those, those, you know, family, whatever it is. I was buying their wheat and just sell it to you and now Omaha and Lincoln and whatever, whatever it is. And I was still doing that because, so when I get out and four months later, my cousin, Tito, picked me up with a fucking Hummer, and he gave me two grand. And he's like,

yo, I give you the rest of your fucking money tomorrow because, because whatever we did those four once I was supposed to get half and I know he did a lot so I I got like you know what keep the rest bro I just need two grand you know what I'm saying and hey real quick just wanted to let you guys know that I have a book my personal story it's called shark in the housing pool and maybe Colby will put it up or not I don't know I also wrote a book about my buddy mine in prison his name is Walter Rossini and it's called devil exposed I also wrote a book called The Program about me going through the drug program in prison. It's practically a cult. And my favorite is Bent about John Boziak being a homeless kid on the streets of Miami

that ultimately was one of the most prolific counterfeit, counterfeiters of credit cards in the cyber underground. So check the links in the description. I'll have a link to every single book. And back to the podcast. So instead of getting all those money from him those four months that I did when I was locked up, I just kind of like gave it away because I just won my guys. Right. You know?

Has you won the case yet? No, I won okay. Oh, he's out. So, no, I know I know if you got out but I didn't know if you got out on bond or not. No, that time I had to do. I had to serve time that time. I was on Bell. Oh, okay. I didn't know. I thought maybe, for some reason I thought you maybe. He was charged with distribution and played out to like a

yeah. Okay. And so your time. was the four months six months but yeah okay I get that yeah so at that time I was in county Matt I never been

like hard car prison I was just county right fucking county so you get out you start do you start up again what do you do

yeah I started up again I started up again the 81st street house yep I started up again and then after that I went and getting out of house down 27th street and Pine Lake whatever

now these are like now these are kind of like suburban a place bunch of white folks off the time Like middle class. Like better. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So it's kind of like that. So I kind of love playing in because that time, I was kind of like, I'm with a kid, so the kid made me look good all the time. Right. Like, I'm a fucking struggling with a fucking kid.

You know what I'm a shit like that. Yeah. You know? And so I ended up met him my wife, you know, and I have a daughter with her. That's when I started like, you know, doing things, I open a coffee shop and after I open a nail shop.

So how many houses do you have now at this point? How many houses do you run? About three life. So now you're running three houses and they're all got a thousand plants a piece. And I think that time I was buying weed from everybody too. And you're buying weed from other grow houses. Yeah. But I didn't buy like mass of them.

I was buying like maybe like four or five pounds here, four five pounds there. Yeah, just whatever you need to meet the demand. You can only supply so much if there's extra. I need an extra four pounds. I need an extra two pounds. Correct. But the price was like I get it for, I bought it from them for two grand. I flip out by 25.

My guys flipped out to like 36. But I always try to get my guys the lowest number ever because I want to make sure to eat. You know what I'm saying? Like they eat, I eat. Everybody fucking eat. And that's how I did it. So how are you laundering the money through the, you? you said you opened up a coffee shop coffee shop so you got a coffee shop and what else a nail shop

nail salon right or nail shop um um so i mean what you did you do you went in you just renovate did you buy the buildings or did you just you lease the space and i just and did build out build every fucking thing up that's what i did with the nail shop too and then you just take the cash and you put it in the bank and you say that it's a cash business there's a lot of cash business yeah yeah yeah you know And I, you know, I never had like mentors that tells me, yo, you're supposed to do this and really say, well, do this, stocks and shit. All my mentors, Matt, you got to realize all the people that taught me are fucking drug dealers and crazy motherfuckers. Yeah. They never really teach me what's like to be like white-collar shit, you know what I'm saying?

Right. Like, hey, can you supposed to do this? Learn this, that, no, no tells my shit. Yeah, you buy a, you figure I buy a business, I start a business, make sure it's a cash business, and I can funnel in some of the, it doesn't even matter if the business makes money. The business can take a loss. It's going to look on paper.

It's going to look like it makes money. That's why they got me because when they bust me, they're like, we know your business don't make shit. We watch you. All you do is gamble and fucking parties all the time. Because my cousin, my other cousin drive, this is like an escalate, 26. My other cousin driver, 750. I think that time I had to say X6 and my other cousin's because I have 650.

What's an X6? BMW? Yeah. Did you buy a Ferrari at one? one point? Yeah. Did I have a question? That was like really hitting.

Like nobody really knew because I parked a motherfucker down to town. Only like certain people know it was about, I think because of that I got busted. I was just going to say, do you think that was suspicious? Yeah, but no. Because this one, why not I picked my cousin from Toronto. You know, we was just like pick him up and we just, you know, he landed and we're just like, and I'm here I'm going to fucking show off beer. Yeah, cousin.

I'm doing, you know. Yeah. Stupid shit like that. So we just driving. And then we were just smoking. I got pulled over. And the cop was like, hey, you know, it's a high profile shit.

I didn't understand what the fucking high profile. Right. You know what I'm like? Yeah, whatever, bro. Just give me a fucking ticket and going to get on my way. You know, and then he wrote some shit down. And then I think what really hits the fan is when my cousin shot that guy seven time. Yeah.

I mean, he lives. The guy fucking lives. Bro, you know. Like, I don't know what that. I don't know what that. I don't know what to say. So how did, okay, so how did, how, your cousin, so how, why did your cousin shoot someone seven times? Like, it seems excessive, but what, why did someone, why did he, why did you show somebody?

Man, my cousin, John, he's, uh, I love that food. Because he, he, he's so, like, manly, like, guys like that wouldn't see you like much. It wasn't even his fight. His friend started the trouble. And he was just, like, my own business. he just have a kid. He started trouble, like, what do you mean? Like, start at a bar or a house.

It was a house party. His friend combed up. Yeah, I got some altercation with his little, you know, some Spanish dude. My cousin always wanted to be a fucking hero and save his friend. So my cousin drive over there and, you know, try to save him. Man, the dude run up to this dude and try to stab him, stab my cousin's friend. My cousin pulled out his fucking, I think he's 45.

and shot that dude from trying to save his friend it wasn't in my cousin's fight right it was some dude some bullshit he hadn't on but he didn't want to help to do well what happened that's all this guy that he helped turn out snitch on him yeah so it's kind of fucked up so what happened is when my cousin and my cousin he's in the game too he's so so there was a spanish guy that tried to tried to stab your cousin no your cousin's friend your cousin's friend yeah your cousin shoots the spanish guy and then the guy that you're that your cousin protected when he got busted he when he got busted he snitched out your your cousin no i snitching my cousin yeah yeah just dude that shot him mind that's some shit you know what i'm saying and my cousin he you know he the time he was on

like early he's 20 he got so much shit going and he looked up to me and I'm just like I'm just like he's due so my whole family is pissed because they think that I transformed my cousin I did that to my cousin

and you let him and you let him over to the dark side right well I was a bad role model that's what my whole family blamed me so I'm just like it's kind of fucked up because when he got when he was busted the whole family bail him out like 100 grand on belt

so he's on belt the cups are fucking pissed why is these young guys connect This is just, all I'm fucking bell. How's he come up with a hundred grand? Correct. And like after that, right? So my cousin here, we're chilling every fucking day in my coffee shop,

playing carts every fucking day, smoking wheat. This is all we do all day. So I think like every since my cousin shot that, shot him. Right. And the cars I was driving, all, everybody was doing. We were like, I think we were like, time was running out for us. Yeah, you were. They know something's going on.

This guy's hanging out. He's hanging out all. they smoking pot and drinking coffee driving a Ferrari, something's going on. Plus, I'm sure they hear, you know, let's face it, because the cops, they know what's going on. They've got, they've got CIs that are always telling, look, man, this guy's doing this. And then they just kind of put you, okay, well, they put your name in the computer, and then one day, two months later, you get pulled over, get a ticket in a Ferrari.

You know, and then, oh, your name comes up enough times, they start to say, hey, look, maybe it's time to watch this guy for a couple days. they follow you around for a week next thing you know they got to they're starting a case this is definitely what's happening you know one of your dealers buddies gets busted and he says he's buying his shit from this guy you know next thing you know there's a case you know that's exactly so and you were you and the Ferrari probably didn't help but uh yeah so the uh so who's working in the nail salon uh dot time oh right now oh you still have the nail salon i don't want to know i gave it back i mean when i came out she you

She tried to give it back to me, but I walk away. I walk away. I walk away and I went to Massachusetts. I walk away from that. So what? So your cousin got, your cousin shot the guy. How much time did your cousin get? 40 years.

He's still there. He just hit me up like a few days. You go, we FaceTime and what that bullshit. And this is in Nebraska? Yeah. Do they have, do they have parole? Like half. I think he's going to do like 20 years.

He's got not. like three years left, four years left. Oh, bro. 20 years in a state prison. In a state prison? Man, my cut, gladiator school. Horrible. Horrible.

This is gladiated school, huh, yo? Fighting all the time. Man, I've heard them state guys that go harder than us, huh? Way harder. I would, I'd rather do, I, everybody I know that's done state time has always said, like, I'd rather do 10 years in the Fed than five years in state. Gladiators. In, in Florida.

Like, they don't even have AC in Florida. What? sweat everything's everybody you talk to that guy Josh that I did a podcast with this guy Josh did that he's like everything's brown from just from sweat everything's drenched in sweat he's like the

all the mattresses you can't sleep with covers on because it's so hot at night it's just you it's disgusting everybody I know in that's gone to the state of Florida has been like it's the worst the guards are brutal you know fed times like easy come in not that

that it's easy but it's I'm not no guards are attacking me or beating me up for looking at them cock eyed nobody's you know it's not it's not not that it's not that situation especially if it's a nonviolent crime right like did you end up in a well I was a medium high yeah well let's let's sorry go ahead so so your cousin he got he got his case he got sentenced um so what what was like kind of the next thing after that that happened like the fed I understand they got on you who who started watching you I'm not sure did it start things Or did you, was it feds? I think it was state

They started watching me Because, you know, like Because nowadays I start thinking like pictures I have pictures of memories You know, like When you got caught, you wonder Why you fucking got caught

And you just thinking, thinking, think thing Yeah, you start noticing that guy last week That I saw two or three times And he must, you know what? He was there for like, I thought that was weird, right? Yeah! And there were like copters flying over

Wamb the house, I was growing. That can't come off. You know, I was smoking balcony, I'm like, why the fuck is that shit flying over? You know what's happening? You know, what's happening is most likely that it's funny because

like if you had ordered the Freedom of Information Act on your case, like you'd know exactly what was going on. You could order those documents, read the documents and be like, oh, look, right here they did fly a helicopter. I didn't know that, bro. Oh yeah, you can order all that shit, man. I didn't know that. I can show you how to order all that.

Wow. So, but I was going to say most likely somebody said that's where is growing so they flew a helicopter they tried to look and see and check it out well that's funny we didn't get anything from the from the electric company so then they fly over with the with the infrared and try and figure out that's probably why but so what so how did that progress you start seeing things what did you did they ever bring in or was it just one day boom you got raided I was the day that I got raided um the day that uh cat one of my house got buses in Belton's house, I was in my coffee shop gambling, drink coffee, smoking weed, and shit.

And I got this phone call from my sister, we're like, hey, your house getting a bunch of cups over your house right now. Like, what? And I just like, I hate that. I was just like, yeah. It's not good. I was like, so I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm like, fuck, I'm going to do this.

I'm fucking done. But the house isn't in your name. Yeah. But I was thinking, like, you know, you know when shit like that, he was just like, fuck, are they on to my house? So I'm thinking like so many shit, like, what's going on? I do waiting all the fucking house, whatever it is. And so later that night, right, I want to go clean up my other house. So I told like, I told my, the guy from Canada, I was like, yo, I got to go clean up fucking house.

You know what I'm saying? The house, like, we had two houses. You mean the other existing house? Yeah, it's like two more. You're thinking, shut them down, clean up. Shut him down, clean up. Because I was like, all right, I mean, I could go down with my house. He could go down.

I was like, I told him, like, before this, anything happens. Don't say anything. Dude, no, I fucking say, I'll bail you out right away. I did out bail him out that fucking night. But I was going to jail. I got cut. I were bailed him out. You get what I'm saying?

Right. Yeah. So it's like, I told him how the game is. I was like, yo, you're a fucking pretty white boy. He had no record. Nothing has going to happen to you. The worst you could do is you're going to get a year and some time and for, for a manufacturer for one house. It's not a lot.

It's fucking weed. And this is just the local cops. Yeah. Okay. At that time, this is what I told before everything happens. Like I told because I already know, I understand how the game works, be like, your first time fell in, you ain't going to get shit, this and that. You're going to be really near with you. And, you know, you're never been in trouble before.

You're going to be you, you're going to be good. Yeah, the safety value. You've never been in trouble. You can only get... Yeah. So how I met Belton, Kevin is through Aaron. Aaron's my real estate guy. Right.

And Kevin is Aaron's best friends. And I asked before, I don't really need Kevin because he was there. So I was like, Aaron's like, I love Aaron. He's like my really best friend that time. You know, I still love that fucker. You know, but he introduced me to Kevin and he said Kevin's good for it. Kevin's good for it. I asked him,

yo, is you got good? He's got good for it. Because I'm about let this motherfucker know my life. Right. You know what I'm saying?

And like I had like so many aliens. I'm like a ghost sometime, but people don't really know my name, my real name, anything. They just know like, I'm like that. That's it.

So Kevin end up knowing who I am, like what I do, inside my business and everything I do. So it was like I was training Kevin to be like kind of me in a way when I will focus more time on like,

You know, like, because I had a nail shop, out of a fucking coffee shop. I'm trying to do legit now. I just need a couple more rounds. I'm fucking done with this. I've been hustled my whole fucking life, you know? I don't need this no more.

And then I showed Kevin how to water plants, how to treatments, how to, you know, went to water, went to cut and whatever this. I kind of talking and like that. But I didn't, I was still, I was still slinging. I was still growing,

like still, you know, doing all my thing. You know, I'm still, but I'm not really actually watering, doing all that. that you got what I'm saying bro so and uh whatever it comes out I was like I gave you half you know what I'm saying so it was kind of like you know you're getting rent free you got fucking 50% of my what I'm doing all you do is fucking water my shit and kind of like you know what I'm saying do my shit and I'm giving like shows generous and um so he was

watching three motherfucking house like that so he just water my plans and so now he really knows me so that's why he did so He was doing that while I was just lame and running business. And the house got raided. He gets arrested. Yeah. He got pulled over with like, repeat. He got pull over?

That's what I thought happens. He got pulled over and they got a warrant for his house because that was his address he gave. Motherfucker! I didn't know he got pulled over. They went to his house. I never know he got pulled over. this is what I thought the cops went to his house

You thought they raided the house and grabbed him at that time Correct and he snitched my other house I didn't know who got pulled over No wonder this motherfucker disappeared when I got out of prison Seriously right when he Wait when the news released

I said oh I'm about to be out of prison He motherfucker was like he moved to California Because somebody told me I didn't I don't look at me I don't know that I mean I assumed he got arrested when they raided the house I assume they raided the house because they saw it from the helicopter or something.

They may have pulled him over and been like, look, we're going to your house, bring us to your house. I mean, who knows how they got there? You know, for him they who've gotten pulled over and told them about the house, like, that doesn't make sense. He probably got pulled over. They already knew about the house, most likely. Like, you don't get pulled over for a traffic ticket and say, by the way, I'm running a grow house. Right. So they may have pulled him over to say, look, we're going to go.

go in the house we need you to bring us we're going to the house we're taking into the house we're going in like it's easier to pull him over on a car than it is to raid the house he may be in there with a gun they don't know well anyway i'm not going to be mad about fuck yeah so yep so he and i'm telling my the houses so he tells on he tells he tells hey look they've got other houses yep okay you know suit what trip he tells him your name and that he the whole that lays it out here's the other houses here's yeah they yep and then what make it worse did you were you in the house sorry were you i was never in the end of the house so you weren't even near there i wasn't even near that's why

that's why like did you know the other houses got robbed or i mean got raided huh did you know the other houses got ready i was going to go clean the house remember that night i wasn't his first house and i was like you were gonna you were gonna get him out of man i was going like yo i got to chop down on fucking trees because this is like thousands of fucking you know this is like every fucking where. So that's how, but on my way there, I didn't get caught in the house. I got cut driving to the fucking house. Same way he got caught. Same way. I'm saying like, like, when I read the articles, when I read the articles, it was like, there was like one house and they were like, hey, there's, you know, there was a raid, this guy got arrested, there was one house. And I was, and it was

like, it was like, I forget, it was like 900 plants or something. I was like, oh, it was like, 900 plants. Oh, okay. And then I was like, oh, hey, here's another article, you know, a week later, two weeks later, and I was like, oh, there's two more houses now. It's three houses. Like, oh, and now it's, it's not 900 plants jumped to like 3,500 plants. You know what I'm sorry? It was like, 2,400 plants. Then there was another article, and now it's 4,000 plants. And it just kept growing. I was like, I was like, man, this is getting, like, I could see the dominoes kind of, bop, bop, bop, you know, falling. And you could read the articles and realize it's getting worse. Like, I don't know what's happening, but whoever's involved in this

every article it's got to be like oh man this is bad this bad it's only getting worse it is so they so they hit all those houses i've a quote so did you so you were a group like there were other the other people that you were buying from did those houses get hit too yeah they do see how many houses total i think it was like 13 yo man you see what happened you see the domino effects what it brought us down because maybe one guy what you're thinking like my fucking family so ain't know about me, be like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because I brought an outsider

and did that. So you think if it was, it was the Vietnamese community, they would have, they would have just taken the charge and gone for a year, just taking it? I don't even know. No, it's not, I mean, it was just, they're blamed me because they say, because you brought in the guy. Yeah.

Yeah. It could have been anybody. But they don't, I mean, they don't see that, they don't see like that. They say it's like, they want to blame, point the finger of somebody. Yeah, yeah. And I was a fucking guy to blame for it. That was it. I get a lot of people who are always like, well, do you think, I actually had a comment, Colby, I had a comment from a guy. One of the guys they were asking questions, they were like, do you think if you had never gotten involved with that, with these girls, you would have gotten busted? And I was like, yeah, eventually I would have gotten

busted. You've got, you've got 50 to 100,000 law enforcement officers looking for this or looking for drugs or I'm number one in the secret service. The FBI's looking for me, too, and the U.S. Marshals. Like, I'm a sharp guy, but I'm not that sharp. Like, I, eventually, I'm going to get caught, you know. If it hadn't been those chicks, it would have been six months later. Look, it was almost multiple times before that that I almost got caught. Like, I was bound to fuck up, you know.

If it wasn't, if it wasn't, you know, Kevin getting busted, it was going to be somebody. Yeah. Something was going to happen. Somebody would have got pulled over. Some drug dealer would have said, okay, they would have got busted. You would have shown up to drop off some drugs. He would have worn a wire. You know, they would have followed you.

They were going to, it's all going to come down at some point. You know, these organizations, they always end up falling apart at some point. So to start pointing, that's the guy. Okay, well, if it wasn't him, if we're pointing at him, you'd be pointing at this guy two months later or this guy six months later or this guy a year later. it's going to come down. Yeah. You just, it's just not, the systems, look, they're just too good. Like, they really are.

They got the surveillance. They've got everything. They know what they're doing. They do, man. It's you and 10 other guys working against 100,000 cops with an inexhaustible budget. I mean, you can't expect them. You can't win. Right.

So, yeah. So, so you were, where were you when you heard that these places start getting busted? Like, were you still free? You said they grabbed you They brought you to the one play Right Um to grab How many houses got busted before they grabbed you

That's what I'm wondering One house Oh just just one house Kevin's house And then they pulled you over and grabbed you Yep And after that two my other house got busted Okay

And then the other house After that the other houses And the whole thing got up But that was the first one Right My That's why like You're right man

No matter what's gonna About to happen No matter what because we had a good run all them years. We got like a six, seven, eight years run, you know what I'm saying? Well, it's just like you, like you were just saying that you were like, you know, because you had gotten away, like you got that one charge and it was minor and you become, and that's what happened with me.

I become arrogant, emboldened. You start feeling like I'm invincible. Like, this isn't a big deal. Yes, sir. Same thing. My first charge I ever got, it was like, I got three years probation. I'm good. What are they going to do?

Catch me and give me 26 years? That's never going to happen Right Oh yeah Get smart They're gonna fuck you up You know It's

I always think if I had Initially when I got arrested If I had gotten more time If I actually had to go to prison Maybe it would have smartened me up But so when you got Did you ever get out on bond Yeah I was on bond

Yeah well state That's why I laugh Oh state That's why I laugh I was like you guys can't get me Fucking state I didn't know what Fett was So I was

I was like, state, I beat state. I shit on the state. That's why I thought. I was like, state. So I was out on bond. I was like, all right, I got one of my days, you know. And then when the feds came in the next day, I was like, why? The next day?

Yeah. I know guys that literally have gotten out on bond from the state and they're walking out of the courthouse and the feds grab them. Like they'll let you put up like $50 or $100,000 or $200,000 and then arrest you walking out of the courthouse. I couldn't believe it. Wait, is that what happened to you? Or you said the next day. The next day. went home?

Well, the next day at 6 p.m. They went with my house. I was, I was, they're like, dressed normal. And I'm just like, what the fuck? And they're like, they didn't let me go inside the house, nothing. You know, they didn't let me anything. They grabbed me and just took me to go, and that was it.

Who, who was it? Was it? Fets. I know, but was it, like, D.E.A.? FBI. I think it was DEA or some shit like that. Or FBI, Wanda those fuckers. Yeah. I don't know.

They're normal. They look normal. It was. intimidating and shit I'm just like yo you know here I am right I never done

fucking state prison county yeah yeah I'm going to the big boys so how so you were so they grabbed you mm-hmm how did they grab anybody else

um they grab me first right you know but after they grab me I I yeah I think they grab my my partner from Canada

and without a guy to watch his house. In Canada? Yeah. Well, no, no. Oh, so he was in Nebraska. Yeah, I call him, he's my partner but he's kind of like an older because I'll call him like uncle. Right. You know, and got him too.

But he didn't, but he was smart. He went back to Canada. So I never really got him. They're Canadians. Yeah, Canadian citizens. Oh, okay. So all those Canadian motherfuckers went back home. so they really got nothing

okay yeah so here I am like I was charged with like leader conspiracy and all that bullshit I'm like what they charged me all this and they're like we're gonna do this we're gonna do this I'm just like fuck me so how what

so you got out you got grabbed picked out thrown in the U.S. Marshal's hold yes yeah Marshall's hold over right how long did you and did you get a public defender because I'm pretty sure they they took your money

they started seizing everything you can't prove you can't prove you got well you can't really maybe you could prove yeah you can't really prove you have any legitimate money the businesses are being used to launder money they say like they say we wash your shop

you don't make no fucking money there right we know it it's bullshit can't get a private attorney public defender they got they're good they good They're good You know

I mean to lose Like that They're good But Yeah so here I am You know And I was facing Tanna Life

Plus a bullshit Fucking charge Of a leader Conspirate With leader Participants A bullshit Like I was

They're making I was like This big dude Which I'm not Motherfuck I was growing We'd support My fucking kid

You know Leader organizer Yeah There's a leader of the participant of legal organizer, some bullshit. Okay. Yeah, conspiracy leader. I don't fucking know. Are they trying to hit you with all the houses?

Yeah. They're trying to say, yeah. They try to hit me with all the houses already. So that's how I ended up, I was, I started with Ten of Life. Right. What's your, what's your, your public defender telling you? Did you even think about going to trial? Or you're thinking just try and cut as good of a plea as I can?

I was thinking going to trial. that would have been a mistake that would have been a mistake I think they'll hit him in like 25 years oh yeah that yeah we wouldn't be talking so I have a question is

what what did you think when the public defender said you're looking at like a minimum of like you're looking at 10 years minimum if everything goes right you're looking at least 10 year what'd you think the first thing is fuck I'm not going to see my mom

I'm not going to see her last fucking day that's the first thing it always brought my mind. Fuck, my mom's not going to see me no more. It's funny how when you're facing that, how suddenly everything becomes, like all those things you took for granted suddenly become important.

It's like, fuck, like all these, it's, it's, yeah, it's not until like you, it's, you know, it's like, it's not until you lose everything that you realize what was really important. Yeah. Like that, but I bet the one thing you didn't think about was, what, oh, I'm not going to be able to drive my Ferrari again.

Like, you could care less about that. No. Like all that stuff, like when it happened to me, when it happened, I mean, my first thought was not, man, I'm not going to be able to drive my Audi or see my girlfriend or, you know, all those things that I was stealing that money for. I didn't care about any of that. My first thought was like my mom, my son, my, you know, all that, you know, but when you're out there, I wasn't thinking about it. Yeah, for some reason, you're right, bro. Just like, that works. I was like, man, I'm not going to see my mom until like, fuck, she's going to die.

I know she's going to die before I get out. I say, well, fuck, fucks me up, you know. And what fucks me up even more is when my wife divorced me. I didn't give a fuck about the money or anything. She divorced me, like, my lowest moment in my life, and I got this divorced letter. You know, so I was like, I took it. All right, so you're looking at 10 years. Correct.

Right. So your buddy, sorry. So Kevin. I mean, Kevin's already rolling over on you. Is everybody starting to roll over on each other? Like, people are starting to be arrested. The whole, like the dominoes are falling. Like, what happens with your lawyer?

At what point, you're looking at 10 years minimum. You're thinking about, you said, you told me earlier, you were thinking about going to trial. Correct. Like, obviously, which would have been a horrible idea. But because you, the fact is, in the feds, like, you know this. And the feds, they just get two people to say it. You don't have, they don't have to be pictures, nothing.

They can get like one or two guys to just sit on the stand and say he was involved, he was running it, and the jury will convict because the jury thinks, well, the government wouldn't lie. And immediately you could end up with a life sentence. So you're already looking at 10 years to, was it life? Yes, 10 of life. So what ended up happening? What was, what did your lawyer say? Like, everybody's rolling over on each other. Like, at what point did you say, like, what did you decide to do?

well I didn't really decide doing anything but I was thinking about going to trial because I didn't really get caught physical, got caught in the house. Right. I was just like driving and it was just like it was just like guy was saying yeah that was a guy I worked for. Kevin's

pointed out that he worked for me so that was it you know what I'm saying and they say when they caught me they found like some fucking tape and some cleaning supplies so they know I was going there and they also saw my garage thing. So that's why I had to link

me up to that house that I was going. Right. So it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, yeah. And everybody always thinks that, especially in the federal system, they always think, well, they didn't catch me with the drugs. It doesn't matter. I was done. They got me and that was it.

Yeah, you're watching too much law and order. If that's what you think, you're watching too much law. It's not how it works. So I'm done. They give me two choices. Roll over or fucking take the plea. go to trial what was the plea

the plea was like 10 right you know go to trial go get more no matter what I'm starting at 10 years

that's no matter what if you went to trial you get life yeah 10 10 to life and the bottom number is 10 yeah

and you got to in the fed you got to do fucking yeah there's a mandatory minimum of 10 years and you know you can't get

less than that yeah and you know maybe through like some good like through like a halfway house or some

bullshit drug they took up like year or some bullshit like that you still got to do like almost like 10 years no matter what you know you can that yeah there's no there's no parole I was love the guys like can't you get parole there's no parole so there's no federal parole there's no federal parole there's you get a little bit of time off for for good time like 15% off like that's it that's if everything goes right that's if you don't lose any gain time guys lose gain time for everything anytime you get in trouble they take away 50 days, 40 days. You just lost 25 days.

You just lost, like, very few people get all of their good time. Right. So, anyway, so, yeah, you're looking at 10 years. Yeah, I was looking at 10 years. And, um, and, uh, that time when I lost everything, uh, maybe the first picture I thought was my mom and, uh, I'm not going to see my mom no more. And, uh, you know, that, it's kind of like, it fucked you up like, you know, should I snitch? I cross our fucking line.

Should I do this? Should I do that? I got my fucking balls. Like, what are my plans? What are my options? What are my choices? And, you know, and there's, like, there's loyalty. And there's also there's, hey, I have a fucking life and this and that.

So how do you choose between loyalty and having, you know, having your life? You, you know, I'm saying? Because everybody's guilty or, you know, we all do. You know, Aaron was guilty because he know what I was doing. Kevin, no, I was doing. We are all guilty. We just don't fucking admit shit. You know, and I was, like, I was thinking, like, you know, and the cups are pressing

me hard. The feds, they're like, you know, we're going to hit your lead of participant, money laundering, and all this fucking charges. I had, like, bro, what the fuck, man? You know, and my court, all my lawyer was all I ever did was, like, just fucking, I don't know, kids, just take the fucking plate to give you this how it is in the feds. You know, we've got much time it is, and just take it, take it. And then I was like, no matter what, I'm getting 120 fucking months.

You know, and I think I was young and I, like, I didn't, what kills me the most is, like, I didn't went down for some shit that I did. Like, I got caught with. This is Kevin. He snitch on me. So that was my self-defense, like, justifications. Yeah. So I was like, yeah, like, oh, yeah. You know, I was like, that I'm all fucking snitch on me and this.

Why should I go down like that? So that's why I dragged Aaron down. because Aaron's the one to introduce Kevin to me and say he was good for it. I trust this motherfucker. He went around stitch and took my whole fucking family down. So I was so fucking pissed. I thought about that.

So maybe that was my way out or whatever it is. Right. So I ended up rolling on Aaron. You know, it's fucked up. It's fucked up. I was fucking crying and try because that's my friend. But he was cooperating too, right? Oh, he went to trial?

Yeah. But then, like, it was so fucked up that, But he only got like 10 years, so he's out right now already. You know, but what fucked up is, like, I never lived that life. I was like telling somebody. I live in a fucking, you know, that hood live, oh, you don't tell shit shit. But when the Kim Cups, when everything is taking, you know, your finance away from you, families away from you, every fucking thing's away from you.

And, you know, you always want to look for somebody to blame or whatever it is. So I kind of like, you know, I blame Aaron. he introduced me to Kevin did all that that, but in reality years later, when, you know, right now, I'm thinking, man, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm sorry.

Like, you know, the game played like that, that's how, you know, sometimes, that's how it is. You know, like, we all fucking guilty at what we do. So I feel bad that I told on him,

but did Kevin tell on them? Did Kevin cooperate against him? Yeah, Kevin cooperate and Kevin's needs to me first. Right. Yeah. So Kevin, Aaron, there were the, also your family members ended up getting jammed up, right? So there's a bunch of people that ended up getting.

Correct. Okay. Well, so what did, how much time did you end up getting? Well, the Cups ought to worry about the feds, the main feds, a fucking officer, what was the fucking name is? He wondered, well, how I did. this organization how I

how I did it and he wants to know like how they were able to steal all this power because they don't know that so they don't want my piece that's why like I got a reduce sentence

because of that too because I told them myself that's why I was able to walk in my yard the yard people like you cannot really walk in it you know what I'm saying

yeah so yeah so that's how I was like I really I told myself too right they asked how you did it and you explain how you, how you rigged the, uh, yep, the power, the power thing. Yeah, and everything else. So, and, um, I end up serving. I think it was like four years, two months or four years,

five months instead of 10 years. When you say four years, how much, are you including your halfway house? That's including everything. I didn't get a halfway house. You didn't get halfway house? I didn't get none of that. I would thought I was getting deported. Because you, you know, like, I used to be, uh, I didn't have a, I'm a American citizen. citizen. So I thought I was getting deported. And I'm American citizen now. Fuck yeah. I won. You know, but I thought I was going to get deported. So as soon as it released me, I thought the immigration kind of picked me up and deport me because I... Holy shit. That would

suck. Yeah, bro. So think about like all the shit I went through. So, you know, when I get out, prison, I was like, I didn't know where it's to go. And since I'm introvert, prison was kind of cool because I'm really fucking... I could deal by my... myself you know what I'm right so it wasn't out bad you know my mind I used to yeah I was the same way like I just want to be able to read and walk the yard you know walk the you know uh walk a lapse and work out and just I want to eat my meals and be I want to be left alone like I don't want to I'm not here to to hang out and play softball and and and make make a bunch of friends and stuff like

it's not you know I had very I had a very small group of guys I talked to yeah very few I some guys that were like social butterflies like they they were like hey timmy john bob what's up hey we're all getting together like they're on they're playing softball they're on two softball teams they're playing in handball competitions they're they're going to they're uh they're in the uh culinary arts classes they're taking ace courses like what the hell like these guys are like it's like college for them they loving it yeah yeah not i wasn't i just i just wrote yeah man so My story is a little different. That's why my shot caller, I could walk around a yard and be like that because it wasn't like I crossed boundary, but it wasn't like I did it myself.

It was like somebody, you know what I'm saying? So that's why I was able to do. Like I just walked a yard and they just, you know. Where'd you get sent? Yeah. I'm in Illinois. So, you know, that time, it was, it was good. You know, I mean, I went through all that bullshit.

I'm glad the trial's over. All this bullshit was over. Now, you know, I got a few years I want to do. And so I don't know when I get out. So one day, I just get a phone call for my lawyer, but like, hey, you know, we just set it out with the judge. You're going to be released. And I'm like, what?

What do you mean? Like, yeah, everything is done. You got your cut, whatever it is. You know what I'm saying? so that day like two days later after so you got 10 years yeah

how long before you got your sentence reduced four years and some change four years and three months oh Jesus my God that's a long time yeah well they come me right away and just fucking

they just kicked me off the prison so that's why like I was prepared well what most people don't realize is so I think if you're someone who's watching they're like okay so you actually like you'll get sentenced so you got 10 years years. You're doing 10 years. And then you have to wait. So you cooperated, but you have to wait

for the government to file something to reduce your Senate. So a lot of times they might never file it. Like you might, you might cooperate, help them out, do everything you need to do that they ask you to. And they go, eh, we disagree. It didn't really help us. And then that was what happened in my case. Right. Like I cooperated twice. And both times they tried to not give me anything. Yeah. But so you've done four years and then one day you get a call from your lawyer saying, they're cutting your sentence. Yeah. Okay.

So, and yeah. Because that could have never come. No, I didn't. I was, like, I was expecting that. And the thing was, I was adapting to prison life. Right. I was adapting. I had my own hustle.

I had my own house. So I was slaying serious. I bought a year to do. I was just, you know, I was like, I was a compound yard pick trash picker. Right. So I was going to like dorm or dorm, but like, yo, you know what I'm serious? And I was picking up shoes from the cops. You know what I'm saying?

Like, let's be chews out. I picked them out. I said out to this motherfucker. I was like, I had more. Yo, yo, yo, this prison shit, all right? Yeah, yeah. Listen, it's a whole thing. Yeah, the cops will throw the cigarettes down.

You pick up the cigarette butts, and then they'll break up little bits and then they'll break up little bits and then you would stay out a book. $7, bro. Yeah, $7. Yeah, they pay ridiculous money, ridiculous money for, yeah. Yeah, Matt. Good stuff, good stuff. Yeah. Oh, there's so many hustles.

Guys will fold clothes, guys will wash clothes. guys will make people's food guys will make your bed guys will clean your rooms there's just tons of hud they cut hair the barbers in prison cut better hair

than the guys out here cut and better than the barbers at the barbers shop who had the actual correct tools would cut I mean there's a there's a ton of just different hustles like I taught the ace course

oh yeah like I taught I taught the real estate course and I sold certificates so you don't have to like you you know they they want want you the your counselors want you to get certificates you get for certificates and then they'll recommend you supposedly for more halfway house if you get certificates we want you to constantly be taking an ace course yeah well guys don't want to take an ace course they don't want to take the

fucking real estate course they don't want to take so they'd come and some of the guys are like look I don't want to learn how to do real estate like I'm getting out to sell drugs again like they're like I just need the certificate so I can get more halfway house and so they come to me I say great give me two coffees and two creamers I'll fill out all the tests I'll pull out all the tests I'll put down that you came to every class you'll get your certificate yeah and so you'd always have five or ten guys so i always had tons of coffee and creamer crammed into my in my locker so i never had to pay for coffee creamer yeah man that's the guys draw they draw portraits like there's some great artists i'm doing mic purses and stuff too i sent my daughter like some purses

bro yeah wallets to wall it all kind of leather crap wallets was real lizard bro yeah real lizard skin like gators and all that so um i always loved the old gangsters like there's some old gangster who's like 60 years old who's like been in state prison and murdered three people and he's he's got a life sentence for for selling coke or crack or something and they'll be sitting there knitting like they're old schoolers yep knitting like a like a a teddy bear for some guy's daughter it's like what's going on there crocheting oh man you know ridiculous yeah man yeah man you see some hardcore guys and you're like so so you were in so you were in prison and one day you get the phone call and boom how long before after that call for you like two days two days

did you think you were going to ice i thought i was i thought i was immigration is going to pick me up because i'm an immigrant and uh your immigration is you got a felony there to deport you right so that's what happened i thought i was going to get deported so and um i wish i didn't thank god so when i get out, I don't know where to go. I mean, they send me back to Nebraska because that's where my case is at. And I was like, shit. So I have no family. I got an ex-wife live in Nebraska.

And I just basically, I don't, you know what I was there? Everybody moved. So I'm like, fuck. So the minute when I got up the bus, I was like, yo, I think I'd rather stay in prison. You know? And then I called my ex-wife up. She was nice enough

to give me the basement. I live in the basement. I'm ex-wife's house fucking embarrassment what it is what it is I just got done telling you

almost 18 months for I think 16 months I stayed in my ex-girlfriend's spare room her son had to move

out of his room with her husband her and her husband and her two kids and I moved in there 14 months

and listen when I left none of them wanted me to leave I'm doing all the odd jobs that the husband doesn't want to do

the two kids love me like they still text me to I got a text yesterday from one of them and they text me all the time they call they call me like we were but that was 14 months later the first month or two horrible

embarrassing you're just it's humiliating it's an oh it's gotta it's the worst it is worse so uh luckily I still have my old car is 90 the Ferrari no uh yeah the maroon

you didn't have the Ferrari no I know I left that uh it was my sister's car says I know my sister. I gave it to my sister. It was like her, but I never delivered a goddamn car because I got busted. Right. So, a brother, and I up, drive this car was like an, like,

Apple Candy, Red, you know, like, yeah, you know, it was sick. And it was like, I had TV and sisters, but I was before, like, I went in prison. Where I got out of prison, I was like, this motherfucker like shit. And then it would start. So I'm like, oh, man, I would have to go, like,

try to fix his motherfucker up. So now I got a car, a piece of shit car that I'm embarrassed drives And he drives You know what I'm saying And I was like I was working for DaVenjis Deliver pizza

And then after that at night time I was a bouncer for a black club Right Fuck A black club Imagine me being a bouncer And you know Be like shooting shit

Muffin's got beat up And just It's a hood bro It's a hood club Right You know what I'm saying And um One day

one day I just kind of like I talked to my pen pal which I'm currently married to right now she's my wife we have a 40-year-old son together so while you were in prison yes there's like pen pal services right was it a service? No it was like I know on her like way back and we're just friends

oh okay so you started writing this just a chick that you did you knew so you started writing her okay yeah and when I came out I went over Massachusetts and I started working as an instruction guy and that's it and after that I found out my company tough hands tough hands glove.com so you married the girl yes you have another son yes so now you've two boys okay and you started and at the same time you started a company because you were working

construction correct and you started a company does uh that designs gloves that are like cut-resistant gloves. Cut-resistant gloves. I wore gloves. Okay. Because I worked for, I worked for a select demo, and I was a labor, and I looked at the gloves. It was kind of, I didn't like how the glove is, so I just wanted to create a own product.

But I, I was inspired by the president of the company. He's a young kid's name is Ryan Denver. He's a high school dropped out. What happened is now he owns like nine companies. I was inspired. You know, I lost my fire after prison. I just want to be a regular fucking guy, get my, you know, go to work. 40 hours a week and just be like that.

But when I met that guy, I was like, he did what? What inspired me to be that driven again, that fire again? So, you know, after that, I work at a union for demolitions. And in the morning, I said, I cut resistant gloves, too. So I was involved more stuff now than before because of that. So, okay, so you design the gloves. Correct. like and you have a manufactured yes so I make the gloves I designed the gloves and I had

it made overseas and sent over here tough hands T-U-F-F-F-H-A-N-D-S tough hands because uh like it's called tough hands because you know guys like us get out of prison we're felons we can't we have no options and we have to work our way up again just to be normal like everyone fucking else all right so I like you know everything's fucking tough for us that's why I call tough hands like with these fucking tough hands I'll build my fucking empire again shit like that it's a thing that you know so I trademarked that

I own that brand right all right and you're and you're selling the gloves and you're yeah you said you told me earlier you were selling you sold in the construction companies and the demolition companies and the just different companies that have basically you wear gloves this is funny because you know that in Coleman

they made all the guards had to buy glove they made gloves that like cut resistant because of cut and oh and puncture resistant no way yeah and there was a whole there was a whole thing it was on the news because the guards wanted the gloves and they wanted the prison to pay for it and they didn't want to pay for it and the guards complained and they did they were like oh it puts them in danger they like what if they get attacked where somebody's got a knife somebody they put a hand in somebody's pocket and the person has like a yeah needle and so they ended up making the the making them buy those gloves interesting

So you might want to think about going to the different states. The feds are obviously taking care of. Maybe the states. Yeah. Might want to contact the states and say, hey, these are cut resistant. Something to figure out. Anyway. Yeah.

Yeah. So you live with your wife and your kid? Yeah. Everything's back to normal nowadays. I got married by the house, live with my kid, have a decent life. everything's like I'm a normal it's pretty normal life is pretty normal nowadays you know it's not about bad like I mean sometime when I reminisce about a past it fucks me up a little bit but I just try to be like go through it every day but it

still hunts me at night going through like my case and the years and this and that I have no regrets just no fucking regress or you know whatever happens it happens because at the end of the day I have a beautiful sun now so I have no regrets I'll do it again how long have you been out I've been out like five years I think

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