Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Largest Grow Operation In Nebraska History... ( FULL PODCAST )

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

Matt goes over one of the largest grow operations in Nebraska history...

Hey, this is Matt Cox, and we're going over one of the largest grow operations in Nebraska history. So you were born in... Vietnam. Yes. All right. I came to the United States when I was like eight years old. All right. With both your parents?

No, just my mom. Right. We were on a fishing boat, and we were escaped from Vietnam, 87. I think I was like, your, your dad was, what? No, I don't have a father. Well, it's not immaculate conception. You have a father. I do have a father, but like, I disappear in my mom, man.

So, this was it, it was a U.S. a GI or was it? Oh, yeah, my first, my first, my mom's first husband, he's a GI. Okay. And her second husband, that's my father, and the guy disappeared in my mom after I came out. Okay. So my mom came to United States with the United States. this a GI widow because her first husband died. Right, all right.

And that's, I go by his last name because he is, he, you know, Vietnamese traditions. I just carried a guy's last name because I don't really have a fucking last name myself. That's fine. I don't know, you can cuss. So I came to Thailand in 87. So you went to Vietnam, from Vietnam to Thailand because the communists were taking over. Is that correct?

Okay. That's when everybody like shit hits the fan. Yeah, yeah. So, like, man, we got to get out of Dodge. Yeah. Yeah. And it was kind of crazy because there's three days on a fishing boat, on a boat we had no water.

The grown-up fuck everything up for us. So it was like no water and no food. And we were just like stranded into like the oceans floating for like three days or no water. Luckily, the Thailand ship, fishermen rescue us and the American GIs came and all that bullshit. That's why I end up here. Well, so you went to, you went to Thailand and then you what?

Then you, you migrated here, like, the U.S.? Yes. Okay. How long were you in the refugee camp? Six months. Six months? Yeah, I was like six months at eight years old in a refugee camp. Yeah, fucking, yeah, ain't it?

So it got worse when I came to America, and I live in Washington, and it plays me like this, fuck, it was like a hood. So, like, my first experience was, like, seeing all those guys, gangsters. Like, it was like the early, it was like the late 80s. So it was like, you see, like, that was like a crack era and all that bullshit. So it was like the hood. Right. And Seattle, so it was kind of like messed up, you know what I'm saying.

So I've seen all this and I was just kind of like, wow, kind of scary when you're intimidated you when you're eight-year-old. Scarrier in Seattle than it was in Vietnam? Well, Vietnam, I didn't really. I mean, I don't know. I'm just asking. I'm not, I'm just saying I would be terrified in Vietnam. But, you know, just to me, especially during the war, even after the war, even worse. Yeah, it was worse in the countryside.

But when you're young, like, growing up in Vietnam, I, when you're young, you don't really understand how it is. But when I was getting older in America, I understand these people. I started understanding things in America. Right. Like, why does, you know, guys, like, dealing drugs. I was like, why the guys doing that? And I noticed the shit I see when I growing up, you know, in Seattle. So it's kind of messed up.

Okay. And from that on, I, you know, this is where I learned how to, like, sell weed and all that bullshit. So you started hanging out with that. Yeah, I started hanging out with, like, all those Asian, you know, older cats around me. I was, like, 13, 12, but they were, like, 18, 19. They all drive, like, nice cars fucking. Back then, Jared Crowe was a fucking big thing for Asian people, too. So, you know, that's how they look.

So, and I hang around with them. And I would skip school, hang around with them all the time. I just learned how, like, that's how you steal a car. That's how you did this. So that's, you know, so, oh, okay, that's how you buy shit like that. So I was learning all the street shit, stuff, the school shit, because for me to see shit and learn it, it's more like I was learning to experience more than be in school

because I couldn't fucking do it. And so that on, it leads me to 16 years old. After that, I was 16. I fucking, me, my step that had an artication, so I left the house. I never came back. So I dropped out of high school, left the house, here I am with all these little homies, and what we did for money was a daytime we go, like, rough houses, and nighttime we go jack cars. You know, like steel stereos and rims and shit, we're like fucking little kids.

We just want to get high and smoke, we can fuck bitches. Right. Those are what we do. You know, we just fuck kids, you know. So instead of going to school, So we have apartment on my boys. We just lived there was what we do. Until, like, I started, like, selling weed.

First I sell, like, crack, coat, all that, but I didn't like the game. Right. It's a fucking dirty game. I see people's life miserable. I hate it. And what I like about weed is because it charges less, and I'll kill people. Right. I don't have to do scummy shit, this and that.

I'm just fucking sell weed. And you're just dealing with guys that just want to smoke pot. Correct, sir. You know, like, those kind of things. I don't, you know, so. That's why I like the weed game. I started like 20 sacks selling pounds. Went to like five pounds, 20 pounds.

From that 16 on, I just keep hustling. And then I had guys that sell my wheat, but I was all right. And I met my girl. Her name was Rainy. I had a little son, 1990, 1999 December. Roughly. Yeah, probably 40. You were 40?

No, no, no. I was 19. My bad. Yeah. Yeah. So I had him and we had a good thing. But that time I was young. So I was kind of like still fucking around thinking this and that. And I cheat on her. Kills me. So fucking she finds out about it. And we broke up. So that's no three. And I fucking, I left. That's when you went to Canada. I have to go somewhere. I'm, I'm, I'm going to Canada. I have to go somewhere. I'm, I'm. was like I fucked up man right fucked up man you know what I'm saying so I went to you know and I heard my family was like in this game too like the grow wheat game I want to like you know since I'm I just want to go spear a new game you know so I went up to stay in Canada I like the people there

Toronto so I stayed it for another two years so your family your family you had family members in in Toronto and they were also selling weed so you went up there to kind of what figure out how to grow it? No, I just, like vacations. Kind of like, kind of like just getting, just to get away, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just want to get away, you know, and then I stumbled into that. But I know, like, they were growing from, you know, I know it. Right.

They're doing pretty good. And so it's kind of like went over there. I chill, learn it, you know, then that's how I got into it. But what did you learn? You learned that they were growing it? I learned how to grow. Because the guy that later on I got caught with, that's actually my, He's my partner, he's like fucking 30 years, 20 years older than me.

I call him Uncle. But he's like to my partner in Canada already. We had a house together. We were doing it. So, you know, that's how I was able to sustain myself all this time. You know, it's just from like, from weed and shit. So, you know, I was learning how to grow weed in Canada, and we had a house up there. So I was learning while I was working with him.

But I was having fun too. So I'm single. I'm just like, man, I don't know, bro. I just, at the time I live, I was pretty fucked. I was party all the time, you know. Maybe you're like 19, 20 years old. How long were you up in Canada for? Two years.

Two years? Yeah. So when I went to, and then I heard I had a family in Nebraska. So knowing me, I had no fucking family with brothers, nothing like that. So every time I heard a family member, I'm like, wow, that's like, that's crazy to go see them. Right. So I went over here and then I just, you know, fucking around. I stayed for like Nebraska for two weeks and I was smoking wheat.

And I was like, need some fucking brick with you. Like, seeds and stem I haven't seen this shit It's like 1994 Right You get what I'm saying Well that's from like what The Mexican-Mas

Yeah the Mexican The Mexican the fucking bricks When you just Throw people The shit's the lyrics So I You know I don't smoke with that shit

It takes me like 20, 30 minutes To get out of fucking Seasons and all the bullshit And I figure Why don't I just fucking Growing this shit It's called You know the show

The shit I'm growing It's called BC But Because I took the clone from Canada and bring it back so that's how I got it I started that right you so I started that's how I started it in but this is this is in Nebraska yeah so I took Canada right you took the Canadian weed you brought it there and you start growing it there growing it I mean was it right away you bought a house and you converted it was it was kind of like I didn't buy a house and converted like

crazy converted I could I can't afford a fucking nice house so whatever I did was, you know, that rent-to-own bullshit, right? Yeah. So what I did was this guy, he had a house on 33-X Street, and it was a shitty fucking house, like one-bedroom house, so fucking shitty. So I bought this house to rent-to-own,

giving $5 grand, and my pain was $500 a month. That was it. You know what I'm saying? And it was rent-to-own. Man, that must be a shitty house. It was a shitty house, though. So I was growing in my living room, and we had, like, little fucking, like, you know, back a hundred years ago,

to dig some shit underground. It was like a fucking, I don't know, it was about 10 by, no, it's like 7 by 7. Just enough for me to vetch, you know, vetch weed. Right. So it was like two stage, vetching and blooming. So I vetched my weed down there

and a flower on my living room. And this, and 03, 04, my ex, my girlfriend, she hit, those bitch fucking cold me up, but like, yo, I can't take care of your son. So here I am. Fucking got to take care of my fucking son. That motherfucker's like four years old.

You know? So, no, five years old. So I got raised him. You know, we were like living in a little fucking little room. And the little room's for a week. And I got to tell this guy, yo, do not tell anybody about what daddy doing. And I. So wait, so did you went. So you went back to Seattle, picked him up and brought him back? Or she had come. She dropped him off. She just showed up. She just showed up in Nebraska's at the year. No, she called me up. Yeah, yeah. But she showed up. And she's like, I can't take care of him. You got to take care of him. You used. that step up some shit and I'm like what the fuck I'm living in a grow house right you see my living room so so when she came over she didn't stay in my house he was had to put her a whole motel because the room wasn't big enough just me me me it's me and I was it oh that was it fucking TV a bed and a little fucking little fridge and I'm just waiting for the time to harvest so I could you know get a little better because that time I only had like maybe like six months of expenses like maybe six seven thousand maran's five hundred and i got a kit so i'm trying to budget every fucking thing out you know what i'm saying so that's it like how many plants are you

growing uh about hundred plants at that time yeah at that time that time that was a harm i did a heart uh my harvest it was like uh so three and a half months later um it was like my uh my uh three and a half months later like when I harvest it was like maybe I made like 16 grand out of it so that's one like okay so you're taking 16 grand over three months that's 4,000 or that's what yeah but a little over 5,000 a month yeah but it was to me I was just like wow I so I could breathe a little bit at least have some money because now like I'm still surviving more I haven't really you know and after that a month later a month later a month later a month later so the harvest come in every month yeah every no every six weeks bro okay but it's every five

fucking six weeks so I was able to harvest but that time I didn't steal I didn't steal electricity yet what's the electric what so here's the thing about the electricity and I've heard this before from guys where they were like like I guess you're drawing the lights draw a different type of ampage or something and as a result the the electric company kind of figures out what he's got to be running lights or something and then so then they'll get like a warrant and come after you like the cops well is that that's the is that why you steal the uh electricity that and cost right correct because uh each is bell is it sucks a thousand watts it's a thousand well for one light

for how long for it depends how you run it 12 hours 18 hours oh okay you know what I'm saying so I mean back in the day the uh it's called high sodium hyper is it high pressure high pressure sodium and a metal high light okay those shit drains a lot of electricity It's not like nowadays where every fucking LED and shit like that. Yeah. So when you use too much, like maybe 10 of them, it would reflect your house. You pull in too much electricity. And now the local cops can get, or the, what a DEA can get like a warrant and just raid your shit.

Well, what happened is like the electricity companies will come and check it out. And after that, we reflect, they were red flag to the police department because all day, what happened is to fly a cupter by your house. And they shoot infrared. Infrared down your house, your basement, just see the heat level. So, I mean, how long can you get away with it until that happened? Well, you've got to be nice to your neighbor. Your neighbors don't want to fuck you up. Well, one thing is what I learned after...

I like that. You got to be nice to your neighbors. Yeah. You know what I mean? And after that, I learned how to... I pay my old boss to come down in Nebraska teach me how to fucking stole that power. Right.

So the guy from Canada comes down. At this point, you have one house. That's one. Right. Just the extra. Yeah. But you, at this point, you realize I got to figure that to get around that, I got to steal electricity. Because I see people got busted.

Like, people got busted with like how, like, I, there's people in Seattle got buses like that all the time. Right. With fucking, like, crazy fucking power. But to figure it out a way how to tap the wire, the power, before it registrate into the meter. Right. So that's what happened. That's what happened. So when I got busted, when it held me how to fucking did that.

you know that was my shit too because I wonder how I did it that's how I did it I was able so man you got a thing like a regular house you could do max is like eight lights two of vaching and eight for flowering but you could triple that amount by power of like 30,000 watts you know what I'm saying before it goes in the meter so the power comes on is the main live wire and limited power so it never registered sure up to anything to the man meter so they never know how much fucking power you use from them right if it doesn't if it doesn't go through the meter

they have no clue that no clue because it's fucking live right right it's live like they I don't know technology now they could do it maybe back in my day's like yeah so okay so so you're so you're basically you're you're circumventing the meter and stealing power and so

you're basically unlimited on as many plants as you can grow you as many as you can get in the house that's why yeah that's yeah so it what what what's so what happened then you got another house what yes so i went and got in the house on normal streets and um that time i had no job so i have to like a normal street yeah it's called normal i love that you got x normal street normal street ain't the fucking some shit all right the whole yeah the whole crazy story and you know i have none of that shit so i had to get people on there's name so my friend his

name was toy vault he helped me get that house and that's how I met Aaron Polk so on normal street what was the name the first guy Trevault what the guy that helped you get the house oh toy vault toy vault well and he's

also Vietnamese he's yeah he's Vietnamese okay he end up I was doing pretty good until he end up killing somebody yeah that that always throws a wrench in the machinery well the fuck up thing is the dude that he killed ended up being gay. Yeah.

So he was jealous, right? So he was jealous. His girl was like dancing with his gay dude at the club. And we all knew that dude was fucking gay as fuck. Because we know he was gay. Right. So what Toy Vaugh that night, I was supposed to go hang with him and, you know, shoot some shit. And, you know, talking, you know, but I didn't hang with

him that night. So he hanged by himself, went to the club, whatever. So he saw that dude. What happened is he shanked the dude. I don't know how fucking time. The dude ended up dying. So he got life right now. you know we should talk yeah but but so he fucked me up a bitch I stabbed him before and he didn't die no sorry okay so he's fucking why bro so he stabbed at some guy all right sat the boy a boyfriend whatever yeah it was like some just because a

gay guy was dancing with his girlfriend that was the reason why a gay guy was dancing with his girlfriend yeah the gay guy yeah oh okay now it now it makes sense okay my bad man I'm yeah yeah okay yeah yeah still Anyway, so he stabbed him and not how I typically resolve my differences with people, but that's fine. Yeah. So that guy dies and they come after your buddy. Yeah. He goes to prison.

Yes. So here I am. Stuck with a house with a bunch of fucking wheat and my, you know, he's my, he's my, he's my co-signer. But then I got to deal with his fucking ass. Like he's in jail, prison forever. You know what I'm saying? So what I did was just, I just shut the house down. But when I met Aaron

That's when I bought a house from Aaron So we and Aaron We became like really good friends You know I tell my story So he knows here I am walking with a kid all this time I'm with a fucking like My son's 4 or 5 years old All the fucking time

So here even when I go say weed I'm with the fucking kid Every what I do I'm with the fucking kid Is Aaron also Vietnamese? No he's white Okay Yeah, white Aaron Polks my bad Because I mean a lot of your co-defendants

I know are Vietnamese like everybody thus far has been Vietnamese this is the first white guy that's injured the I know when I saw all the mug shots like there was always like Vietnamese Vietnamese Vietnamese and then there was there was one guy was there two guys yeah the guy

Kevin Polk Karen Bolton he's a guy to snitch me out when he got caught in my house he's the one that told on me right because oh we got to yeah yeah I'll tell you that later bro all right so right now you shut down the house with Aaron

no I shot down that yeah okay and then you what'd you do get another house I got another house with Aaron when I met Aaron that's when like shit's kind of like help me out a little bit so now I got like I know Aaron he owns an investment form

investment for him like really state's investments right you know what I'm saying selling room you know so all right now I got a fucking house and somebody who can get you the houses yes and I learn how the way and our power comes from so now it's like okay But I'm still with a fucking kid So my time is always with the kid

And then Now I got the house on 81st Street It was like 3,000 square foot Like three garage I love the basement Because it's 1,000 square foot I didn't give a fuck about nothing I just care how big the house is

How new power is it? How many amps is it? Is it new? Can I do this? How many plants can I get in it? Correct, sir You know what I was like? I hit the house up With like a thousand pet plan our first thousand but it takes me forever clone all that shit so what happens you have to prior before anything you do you have to prepare like I have to clone a month ahead of schedule

because it takes seven days get roots or whatever it is another three three weeks or four weeks get mature enough to right kind of like stages and stuff like that yeah so I had a thousand plans in there and now like I'm doing 30 lights you know what I'm saying so this is my first time ever I'm like full power with this house and I love it right so like now I have client tells already those client tells I'll be building and now I had that house so that's how happens but then bam she hit the fence again I got caught yeah I owned that out oh yeah that time I own a pool hall too so what you want to pull because basically at this point you're making money you're starting to make some money well right yeah or no I bought a pool hall

I bought Bill and Win pool hall And I think it was like 06 Well I mean you must have been making money at this point To buy a pool hall Well it was through an Asian guy I was like 30 grand You know

Most people don't have 30 grand I'm just letting you know Most people don't have 30 grand to blow on a pool hall So you must have been doing starting to do okay Well so mad mad like like yourself You're an entrepreneur like your mind's always like Yo I'm going to make some more I'm going to do this I'm going to do that

And like I understand you're acting like Like, I wasn't, like, yeah, I was really scraping by. You just bought a pool hall for $30,000. I mean, you didn't, you're not broke. So you're doing, you must, you're starting to make some money. Oh, yeah, I mean. Right. But I wasn't like, like, you were on balling.

No, I understand. No, no, I was driving Ferraris. No, that's later on. Yeah, that's later on. Yeah, that's later on, you know what I'm saying? Man, my life is so fucking comical, man. It's, like, this shit is so fucking funny sometimes. So what happened?

So how'd you get busted? Huh? What led you getting busted? The first, the first time. Oh, the first one. The 3-3, yeah, the X Street house. Well, I had a, I think it was my fucking dog or some shit like that. And, like, I didn't write, like, I'm supposed to, like, talk to the fucking my rent-my-rent-owned landlord or some shit.

And I never did. So he must have went to my house and fucking, like, open it and you fucking saw all that. And that's how I got busted. But I won. See, because I won the fucking case, it makes me think I was arrogant for that. Well, so he, wait, wait, so you, how did you get arrested, though? Like, they came in and they grabbed you? Like, what happened?

No, I got arrested because my neighbor was like, hey, we saw a bunch of cops go to your house. Oh, okay. And I was just like, oh, shit. So I was like, all right. So that time, I shut down the pool hall. So I was laying low. I was just laying low for, like, maybe like eight, nine months and just kind of like, just go one day. You were hiding out.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, just do one thing since until I went to the casino. And I was driving one day. Then I got busted Then I had a lawyer Kurt Pay him like 20 grand And fucking

Yeah And this is local cops Had raided the place It was just the local cops It wasn't DEA or anything No no dude Dude was just like It was kind of shitty too

Because I kind of like All the plans was kind of dead Because I was already Kind of like I don't need that house no more I was kind of like Got to like Get that house

Get that house get ready And just finally shout out Whatever because that house I was I was done I was all a different level right now I don't need that so that cuss me like I want the case instead of a manufacturer I walk away with possessions under a pound so I did four months in jail because I mean they could but there was like a hundred pound plants in there no but it's just a bunch of fucking like meal small shit you know what I'm saying yeah it was just vegging okay so if you added it all up it wasn't it wasn't like that much it wasn't like that you know so I got away with that, and while I was in jail, I had my, well, so I had my cousin, whatever it is,

pick all the weeds from all those people, he got busted. I was on my fucking this. So I was in jail, and I was selling wheat already. You know what I'm saying? Because I tell him, hey, go pick up my shit and make sure all my fucking guys eat. Because what he did, I was in jail for four months. He was selling all my wheat. You know, I still make money when I was in jail.

Right. So the houses are still going? No, the house is kind of stuff, but I was buying wheat. see all the guys that grow wheat, I was buying the shit. I'm not just a grower. I'll buy everybody's shit too. So now you're distributing. You're buying the stuff and you're redistributing it to your dealers that are selling that had their customers.

Okay. So you're in prison. I mean, while you're locked up waiting for this charge to get a return. Yeah. So, like, I was still doing that. I was just like, but then that's how like all those, those, you know, family, whatever it is. I was buying their wheat and just sell to you and now Omaha and Lincoln and whatever, whatever it is. And I was still doing that because

So when I get out And four months later My cousin Tito picked me up The fucking Hummer And he gave me two grand And he's like Yo I give you the rest of your fucking money tomorrow Because

Because Whatever we did those four months I was supposed to get half And I know he did a lot So I got like You know what Keep the rest Bro I just need two grand

You know what I'm saying And Hey real quick Just wanted to let you guys know That I have a book my personal story. It's called Shark in the Housing Pool. And maybe Colby will put it up or not.

I don't know. I also wrote a book about a buddy mine in prison. His name is Walter Rossini. And it's called Devil Exposed. I also wrote a book called The Program about me going through the drug program in prison. It's practically a cult. And my favorite is Bent about John Boziak

being a homeless kid on the streets of Miami that ultimately was one of the most prolific counterfeit counterfeiters of credit cards in the cyber underground. So check the links in the description. I'll have a link to every single book and back to the podcast.

So instead of getting all those money from him those four months that I did while I was locked up, I just kind of like gave it away because I just won my guys. Right. You know? Has you won the case yet?

No, I won that. Oh, he's out. No, I know I knew you got out, but I didn't know if you got out on bond or not. No, that time, I had to do. I had to serve time that time. I was on bail. Oh, okay. I didn't know.

I thought maybe, for some reason, I thought you maybe. He was charged with distribution and played out to like a question. Yeah. Okay, until your time was the four months. Six months, but yeah. Okay, I get, I get, I got. Yeah, so that time, I was in county map. I'd never been like hardcore prison.

I was just county. Right. Fucking county. So you get out, you start, you start, you start, up again what do you do yeah I started up again I started up again yep I started up again and then after that I went and get not a house down 27th Street and Pynley whatever another like now these are all like kind of like a suburban they place a bunch of white folks off right like middle class kind of better yeah

yeah yeah so it's kind of like that so I kind of blend in because that time I that time I was kind of like blank I'm with a kid so the kid me me look good all the time. Right. Like, I'm a fucking struggling with a fucking kid, you know, shit like that. Yeah. You know, and so I end up met him my wife, you know, and I have a daughter with her. That's when I start like, you know, doing things, open more business.

I'll open a coffee shop and after I open a nail shop. So how many houses do you have now at this point? How many houses do you run? About three life. So now you're running three houses. Plus, and they're, they're all. all got a thousand plants a piece and i think that time i was buying wheat from everybody too and you're buying weed from other grow houses yeah but i was i didn't buy like mass of them i was buying like maybe

like four or five pounds here four five pounds there yeah just whatever you need to meet to demand you can only supply so much if there's extra i need an extra four pounds i need an extra two pounds correct but the price the price was like uh i get it for i bought it from them for two grand i flip out 25. My guys flipped out to like 36. But I always try to get my guys the lowest number ever because I want to make sure to eat, you know, say like they eat. I eat. Everybody fucking eat. And that's how I did it. So how are you laundering the money through the, you said you opened up a coffee shop. Coffee shop. So you got a coffee shop and what else? A nail shop. nail salon or nail shop

so I mean what did you do you went in you just renovate did you buy the buildings or did you just you lease the space and I just and did build out build every fucking thing up that's what I did with that nail shop too and then you just take the cash and you put it in the bank and you say that this is a cash business

there's a lot of cash business yeah yeah and I you know I never had like mentors that tells me yo you suppose do this and really say oh do this stocks and just all my mentors Matt, you got realized all the people that taught me

are fucking drug dealers and crazy motherfuckers they never really teach me what's it like to be like white-collar shit you know what I'm saying? Like hey,

can you supposed to do this to learn this that no, no, nobody tells my shit. Yeah, you figure I buy a business, I start a business,

make sure it's a cash business and I can funnel in some of the doesn't even matter if the business makes money. The business can take a loss it's going to look on paper it's going to look like it makes money. That's why they got me

because when they bust me They're like, we know your business, don't make shit. We watch you. All you do is gamble and fucking parties all the time. Because my cousin, my other cousin, driver, this is like an escalate, 26. My other cousin driver, 750. I think that time I had to say X6 and my other cousin's because I have 650. What's an X6?

BMW. Yeah. Did you buy a Ferrari at one point? Yeah. Well, that hitting, that was like really hitting. Like, nobody really knows because I parked a motherfucker down town only like certain people. No one was about I think because of that

I got busted I was just going to say Do you think that was Suspicious? No because This one night I picked my cousin From Toronto

You know We were just like Pick him up And we just You know It was just like And I'm here I don't want to

Fucking show off beer Yeah Cousin I'm doing you know Yeah Stupid shit like that So we just driving And then we were just

Smoking I got pulled over And the cop was like Hey you know It's a high profile shit I didn't understand What the fuck

me high profile right you know what I'm like yeah whatever bro just give me a fucking ticket and gonna get on my way you know and then he wrote some shit down and then um I think what really his the fan is when my cousin shot that guy seven time yeah I mean he lives the guy fucking lived bro you know like I don't know what that what that I don't know what to say so how how did that okay so how did your cousin so how why did your cousin shoot someone seven times like it seems to excessive, but what, why is, why did someone, why did she say, yeah, man, my cousin John, he's, uh, I love that food because he, he, he's so like manly, like guys like that wouldn't see

like much. It wasn't even his fight. His friend started the trouble and he was just like my own business. He just had a kid. He started trouble like, what do you mean? Like, like at a bar or a house that was house party. His friend combed up, yeah, I got some altercation with his little, you know, some Spanish dude. My cousin would always want to be a fucking hero and save his friend. So my cousin drive over there and, you know, try to save him. Man, the dude run up to this dude and try to stab him, stab my cousin's friend.

My cousin pulled out his fucking, I think he's 45 and shot that dude. From trying to save his friend. It wasn't in my cousin's fight. Right. It was some dude, some bullshit he hadn't on, but he doesn't want to help to do well. What happened is all this guy that he helped turn out snitch on him.

Yeah, so it's kind of fucked up. So what happened is when my cousin, and my cousin, he's in the game too. So there was a Spanish guy that tried to stab your cousin. No, his friend. Your cousin's friend. Your cousin shoots the Spanish guy,

and then the guy that your cousin protected when he got busted, When he got busted, he snitched out your cousin. No, I snitching my cousin. Yeah, yeah, just dude, I shot him. I ain't got some shit. You know what I'm saying?

And my cousin, you know, the time he was in like early, he's 20, he got so much shit going. And he looked up to me, and I'm just like, I'm just like he's due. So my whole family is pissed because they think that I transformed my cousin. I did that to my cousin. And you let him over to the dark side, right? Well, I was a bad role model. That's what their whole family blamed me.

So I'm just like, it's kind of fucked up because when he got, when he was busted, the whole family bail him out like a hundred grand on belt. So he's on belt. The cops are fucking pissed. Why is this young guys connected? This is his own fucking belt. How's he come up with a hundred grand? Incorrect.

And like after that, right? So my cousin here, and we're chilling every fucking day in my coffee shop, playing carts every fucking day, smoking wheat. This is all we do all day. so I think like ever since my cousin shot that shot him right and the cars I was driving all everybody

was doing we were like I think we were like time was running out for us they were they know something's going on this guy's hanging out he's hanging out all day smoking pot and drinking coffee driving a Ferrari something's going on yeah plus I'm sure they hear you know let's face it because the cops

they know what's going on there they've got they've got CIs that They're always telling, look, man, this guy's doing this. And then they just kind of put you, okay, well, they put your name in the computer. And then one day, two months later, you get pulled over, get a ticket in a Ferrari. You know, and then your name comes up enough times, they start to say, hey, look, maybe it's time to watch this guy for a couple days. They follow you around for a week next thing you know, they got to, they're starting a case. This is definitely what's happening.

You know, one of your dealers buddies gets busted and he says, he's buying his shit from this guy. You know, next thing, you know, there's a case. You know, that's exactly. so and you were you and the Ferrari probably didn't help but uh yeah so the uh so who's working in the nail salon uh dot time oh right now oh you still have the nail salon i don't want to know i gave it back i mean when i came out she she tried to give it back to me but i walk away i walk away i walk away i walk away and i went to massachusetts i walk away from that so what so yeah so what so your so your cousin got

your cousin shot the guy how much time did your cousin get 40 years he's still there he just hit me up like a few days you go with FaceTime and what that bullshit and this is in in Nebraska yeah do they have do they have uh yeah he's gonna do like half

I think he's gonna do like 20 years he's got now like three years left four years left oh bro 20 years in a state prison in a state prison man my cut glad heated school Horrible glad he did school huh yo fighting all the guy

I'm there, them state guys that go harder than us, huh? Way harder. I would, I'd rather do, everybody I know that's done state time has always said, like, I'd rather do 10 years in the Fed than five years in state.

Glad they are you doing. In Florida, like, they don't even have AC in Florida. What? Sweat, everything's, everybody, you talk to that guy, Josh, that I did a podcast with this guy, Josh. He said, he's like, everything's brown. From, just from sweat.

Everything's drenched in sweat. He's like, the, all the mattresses. You can't sleep with covers on because it's so hot at night. It's just, it's disgusting. Everybody I know that's gone

to the state of Florida has been like, it's the worst. The guards are brutal. You know, you know, Fed times like easy commitment. Not that that it's easy,

but it's, I'm not, no guards are attacking me or beating me up for looking at them cocky. Nobody's, you know, it's not,

it's not, it's not that situation, especially if it's a nonviolent crime. Right. Like, did you end up in a, I was a medium high Yeah well let's let's let's sorry go ahead

So so your cousin he got he got his case He got sentenced Um so what what was like kind of the next thing after that that happened Like the Fed I understand they got on you Who started watching you I'm not sure Did it start in the state or did it was it fed? I think it was state

They started watching me because you know like Because nowadays I start thinking like pictures I have pictures of memories You know what When you got caught you want to watch you fucking got caught and you just thinking thinking think you start noticing that guy last week that i saw two or three times and he must you know what he was there for like i thought that was weird right yeah and there were like copters flying over when i'm the house i was growing that i was

off you know i was smoking in the balcony i'm like what the fuck's that shit flying over you know what's happening is most likely that it's funny because like if you had ordered the freedom the Information Act on your case? Like, you'd know exactly what was going on. You could order those documents, read the documents, and be like, oh, look, right here, they did fly a helicopter. I didn't know that out, bro.

Oh, yeah, you can order all that shit. Man, I didn't know that. I can show you how to order all that. Wow. So, but I was going to say, most likely, somebody said, that's where he's growing. So they flew a helicopter. They tried to look and see and check it out.

Well, that's funny. We didn't get anything from the electric company. So then they fly over with the, with the infrared and try. and figure out that's probably why but so what so how did that progress you start seeing things what did you did they ever bring in or was it just one day boom you got rated I was the day that I got raided um the day that uh cat one of my house got buses Kevin Belton's house I was in my coffee shop gambling drink coffee smoking weed and shit and I got this one phone call

from my uh sister were like hey your house getting a bunch of cups of your house right now like what and i just like that i just like yeah i just like it's not good i was like so i'm thinking i'm thinking i'm thinking i'm thinking i'm thinking i'm thinking i'm like fuck i'm gonna do this i'm fucking done but but your but the house isn't in your name yeah but i was thinking like i'm you know you know when shit like that you're just like fuck are they onto all my house so i'm thinking like so many shit like what's going on the way in all the fucking house whatever it is and so later that night

right I want to go clean up my other house so I told like I told my the guy from Canada I was like yo I gotta go clean up fucking house you know what I'm saying

the other existing house yeah it's like two more you're thinking shut them down shut them down clean up because I was like I mean I could go down with my house and he could go down I was like I told Kevin like before this anything happens

don't say anything do not fucking say I'll bail you out right away I did out bail him out out that fucking night but I was went to jail I got cut

I'll bailed him out you get what I'm saying yeah so it's like I told him I told him how the game is I was like yo you're fucking pretty white boy

he had no record nothing that's going to happen to you the worst you could do is you're going to get a year and some time and for for a manufacturer

for one house it's not a lot it's fucking weed and this is just the local cops. Yeah. Okay. At that point.

At that time, this is what I told before everything happens, like I told, because I understand how the game works, be like, your first time failing, you ain't going to get shit, this and that, you're going to be really kneel at you, and you know, you're, you're never been in trouble before. You're going to be good. Yeah, the safety value. You've never been in trouble. You can only get.

Yeah. So how I met Belton, Kevin is to Aaron. Aaron's my real estate guy. Right. and Kevin is Aaron's best friends and I asked before I don't really need Kevin because he was there

so I was like Aaron's like I love Aaron he's like my really best friend that time you know he's I still love that fucker you know but he introduced me to Kevin and he said Kevin's good for it I asked him yo he's got good he's got good for it because I'm about let this motherfucker know my life right you know what I said and like I had like

so many aliens I'm like a ghost sometime but people don't really know my name my real name anything they just know like i'm like that that's it so kevin end up knowing who i am like what i do inside my business and everything i do so it was like i was training kevin to be like kind of me in a way when i'm gonna focus more time on like you know like because i had a nail shop out of fucking coffee shop i'm trying to do legit now i just need a couple more rounds i'm fucking done with this i've been hustling my whole fucking life you know I don't need this no more. And then I showed Kevin how to water plants, how to treatments, how to, you know, went to water, went to cut and whatever.

It's like, I kind of talking and like that, but I didn't, I was still, I was still slinging. I was still growing, like still, you know, doing all my thing, you know, I'm still, but I'm not really actually watering, doing all that. You got what I'm saying, bro? So, and whatever comes out, I was like, I gave you half, you know what I'm saying? So it was kind of like, you know, you're getting rent-free. You've got fucking 50% of my, what I'm doing. All you do is fucking water my shit. And kind of like, you know what I'm saying?

Do my shit. And I'm giving, like, shows generous. And so he was watching three motherfucking house like that. So he just water my plans and so now he really knows me. So that's why he did. So he was doing that while I was just lame and running business. And the house got raided. He gets arrested.

Yeah. He got pulled over with, like, repeat. He got pull over? That's what I thought happens. He got pulled over, and they got a warrant for his house because that was his address he gave. Motherfucker! I didn't know he got pulled over.

Nick went to his house. I never know he got pulled over. This is what I thought. The cops went to his house. You thought they raided the house and grabbed him at that time. Correct. And he snitched all my other house. I didn't know who he got pulled over.

no wonder this motherfucker disappeared when I got out prison seriously right when he wait when the news released I say oh I'm about to be out prison he motherfucker like he moved to California because somebody told me I didn't

don't look at me I don't I didn't know that I mean I didn't I assumed he got arrested when they raided the house I assumed they raided the house because they saw it from the helicopter or something they may have pulled him over and been like look we're going to your house bring us to your house.

I mean, who knows how they got there? You know, for him they who've gotten pulled over and told them about the house, like, that doesn't make sense. He probably got pulled over. They already knew about the house, most likely. Like, you don't get pulled over for a traffic ticket and say, by the way, I'm running a grow house. Right.

So they may have pulled them over to say, look, we're going to go in the house, we need you to bring us, we're going to the house, we're going in. Like, it's easier to pull them over on a car than it is to raid the house. be in there with a gun they don't know well anyway I'm not gonna be bad about fuck yeah so yep so so I'm telling my other houses so he tells on he tells

hey look they've got other houses yep okay you know suit what trip he tells him your name and that he does the whole that lays it out here's the other houses here's yep they yep and then what make it worse did you were you in the house sorry were you I was never in the other house You weren't even near there. I wasn't even near. That's why, that's why, like... Did you know the other houses got robbed?

Or, I mean, got raided? Huh? Did you know the other houses got raided? I was going to go clean the house. Remember that night? I wasn't in his first house. And I was like... You were going to get him out of...

I was going to like, yo, I got to go chop down on fucking trees. Because this is like thousands of fucking... You know, this is like every fucking where. So that's how... But on my way there, I didn't get caught in the house. I got caught in the fucking house. Same way he got caught? Same way.

I'm saying... Like when I read the articles, when I read the articles, it was like, there was like one house. And they were like, hey, there's, you know, there was a raid. This guy got arrested. There was one house. And it was like, it was like, I forget, it was like 900 plants or something. I was like, oh, it's like 900 plants. Oh, okay.

And then I was like, oh, hey, here's another article, you know, a week later or two weeks later. And I was like, oh, there's two more houses now. It's three houses. Like, oh, and now it's not 900 plants jump to like 3,500 plant. You know what I'm sorry? It was like 2,400 plants. Then there was another article and now it's 4,000 plants. And it just kept growing.

I was like, man, this is getting, like I could see the dominoes kind of bop, bop, bop, you know, falling. And you can read the articles and realize it's getting worse. Like, I don't know what's happening, but whoever's involved in this, every article, it's got to be like, oh, man, this is bad. This is bad. It's only getting worse. It is, bro.

So they hit all those houses. So did you, so. you so you were a group like there were other the other people that you were buying from did those houses get hit too yeah they do see that's why houses total i think it was like 13 yo man you see what happened you see the domino effects what it brought us down because maybe one guy what you think like my fucking family so ain't no about me be like what you know what yeah yeah because i brought an outsider and and did that so you think if it was it was the Vietnamese community they would have

they would have just taken the charge and gone for a year just taking it. I don't even know. No, it's not I mean, it was just, they're blamed me because they say, because you brought in the guy. Yeah. Yeah. It could have been anybody. But they don't, I mean, they don't see that, they don't see like that. They say it's like,

they want to blame, point a finger somebody. Yeah, and I was a fucking guy to blame for it. That was it. It's, I get a lot of people who are always like, well, do you think, I have, especially had a comment, uh, Colby, I had a comment from a guy in one of the guys they were asking questions. They're like, do you think if you had never gotten involved with that, with these girls,

you would have gotten busted? And I was like, yeah, eventually I would have gotten busted. You've got, you've got 50 to 100,000 law enforcement officers looking for this or looking for drugs or I'm number one in the secret service. The FBI's looking for me too and the U.S. Marshals. Like, I'm a sharp guy, but I'm not that sharp. Like, I, eventually, I'm going to get caught, you know. If it hadn't been those chicks, it would have been six months later.

Look, it was almost multiple times before that that I almost got caught. Like, I was bound to fuck up, you know. If it wasn't, if it wasn't, you know, Kevin getting busted, it was going to be somebody. Yeah. Something was going to happen. Somebody would have got pulled over. Some drug dealer would have said, okay, they would have got busted. You would have shown up to drop off some drugs.

He would have worn a wire. You know, they would have followed you. They were going to, it's all going to come down at some point. You know, these organizations, they always end up falling apart at some point. So to start pointing, that's the guy. Okay, well, if it wasn't him, you, if we're pointing at him, you'd be pointing at this guy two months later, or this guy six months later, or this guy a year later, it's going to come down. Yeah.

You just, it's just not, the systems, look, they're just too good. Like, they really are. They got the surveillance. They've got everything. They know what they're doing. They do, man. It's you and 10 other guys working against 100,000 cops with an inexhaustible budget. I mean, you can't expect them.

You can't win. Right. So, yeah. So, so you were, where were you when you heard that these places start getting busted? Like, were you still free? Oh, no. You said they grabbed you. They brought you to the one play, right?

Um, the grab, yeah. I mean, houses got busted before they grabbed. grabbed you. That's what I'm wondering. One house. Oh, just, just one house? Just Kevin's house. And then they pulled you over and grabbed you. Yep.

And after that, two my other house got busted. Okay. And then the other house, after that, the other houses and the whole thing got up. But I was the first one. Right. My, that's why like, you're right, Matt. No matter what's going to about to happen. No matter what, because we had to run all them years.

We got like a six, seven, eight run, years run. You know what I'm saying? Well, it's just like you, like you were just saying that you were like, know, because you had gotten away, like you got that one charge and it was minor and you become, and that's what happened with me. I become arrogant, emboldened. You start feeling like, I'm invincible. Like, this isn't a big deal.

And this. Yes, sir. Same thing. My first charge I ever got, it was like, I got three years probation. I'm good. What are they going to do? Catch me and give me 26 years. That's never going to happen.

Right. Oh, yeah. Get smart. They're going, they're going to fuck you up. You know, it's, it's, I always think if I had initially. when I got arrested, if I had gotten more time, if I actually had to go to prison, maybe it would have smartened me up.

But, so when you got, did get grabbed, did you ever get out on bond? Yeah, I was on bond. He got out on bond. Yeah, well, State, that's why I laugh. Oh, State. That's why I laughed. I was like, you guys can't get me.

Fucking State. I didn't know what Fed was. So I was like, State, I beat State. I shit on State. That's why I thought. I was like, State. So I was out on Bunn. I was like, all right, I got one of my days, you know.

And then when the feds came in the next day I was like, The next day? Yeah. I know guys that literally have gotten out on bond from the state and they're walking out of the courthouse and the feds grab them. Like they'll let you put up like 50 or 100 or $200,000 or $200,000

and then arrest you walking out of the courthouse. I couldn't believe it. Wait, is that what happened to you? Or you said the next day. The next day. The next day, the next day at 6 p.m., they went with my house. I was, they're like dressed normal.

And I'm just like, what the fuck? And they're like, they didn't let me go inside the house, nothing. You know, they didn't let me anything. Go over there, grabbed me and just took me to go, and that was it. Who was it? Fets. I know, but was it like DEA, FBI? I think it was DEA or some shit like that, or FBI, a Wanda fuckers.

Yeah. I don't know. They're normal. They look normal. It was intimidating and shit. So I'm just like, yo, you know, here I am. Right. I never done fucking state prison, county.

yeah yeah i'm going to the big boys so how so you were so they grabbed you um how did they grab anybody else um they grabbed me first right you know but after they grabbed me i i yeah i think they grabbed my my partner from canada and without a guy to watch his house in canada yeah well no no oh and so he he he he Yeah, he was in Nebraska. Yeah, I call him, he's my partner, but he's kind of like an older, because I'll call him like uncle. Right.

You know, and got him too. But he didn't, but he was smart. He went back to Canada, so I never really got him. They're Canadians. Yeah, Canadian citizens. Oh, okay. So all those Canadian motherfuckers went back home. So they really got nothing.

Okay. Yeah. So here I am, like I was charged with, like, leader conspiracy and all that bullshit. I'm like, what? They charged me all this and they're like, we're going to do this. We're going to do this. I'm just like, fuck me. So you got out, you got grabbed, picked out, throwing the U.S.

Marshall's hold. Yes. Yeah, Marshall's holdover, right? How long, did you, and did you get a public defender? Because I'm pretty sure they took your money. Yeah. They started seizing everything. You can't prove, you can't prove, well, you can't really, maybe you could prove.

Yeah, you can't really prove you have any legitimacy. the businesses are being used to launder money they say like they say we wash your shop you don't make no fucking money right we know it it's bullshit can't get a private attorney

they they public defender they got they're good they good they good they good you know I mean to lose some like that they're good

but yeah so here I am you know and I was facing 10 of life plus a bullshit fucking charge of a leader conspirator with leader participants are bullshit like I was they're making I was like this big dude which I'm not

motherfucker I was growing weed to support my fucking kid you know leader organizer? Yeah it's a leader of the participant of legal organizer some bullshit okay yeah conspiracies leave I don't fucking are they trying to hit you with all the houses? Yeah

they're trying to say yeah they try to hit me with all the houses already so that's how I ended up I was I started with 10 of life right um what's your what's your uh your public defender telling you did you even think about going to trial or you're thinking just try and cut as good of a plea as I can I was thinking going to trial that would have been a mistake that would have been a mistake I think they'll hit him in like 25 years oh yeah that yeah we wouldn't be talking um so I have a question is um what what did you think when the public defender said you're looking at like a minimum of like you're looking at 10 years minimum if everything goes right you're looking at least 10 years what'd you

think the first thing is fuck i'm not going to see my mom tell i'm not going to see her last fucking day that's the first thing it always brought my mind fuck my mom's not going to see me no more it's funny how when you're facing that how suddenly everything becomes like all those things you took for granted suddenly become important it's like fuck like all the it's it's yeah it's not until like you it's you know it's like it's not until you lose everything that you realize what was really important yeah like that but i bet the one thing you didn't think about was what oh i'm not going to be able to drive my Ferrari again like you could care less about that no like all that stuff like when it when it happened to me when it happened i mean my first thought was not man i'm not

going to be able to drive my Audi or see my girlfriend or you know all those things that I was stealing that money for I didn't care about any of that my first thought was like my mom my son my you know all that you know but when you're out there I wasn't thinking about it yeah for some reason you're right bro just like I was like man I'm not going to see my mom till like fuck she's gonna die I know she's going to die before I get out so fuck fuck fucks me up you know and uh well fucks me of even more is when my wife divorced me. I didn't give a fuck by the money, anything. She divorced me, like, my lowest moment in my life,

and I got this divorced letter, you know, so I was like, I took it. All right, so you're looking at 10 years. Correct. Right? So your buddy, sorry. So Kevin, I mean, Kevin's already rolling over on you. Is everybody already,

is everybody starting to roll over on each other? Like people are starting to be arrested. the whole like the dominoes are falling like what happens with your lawyer at what point you're looking at 10 years minimum you're thinking about you said you told me earlier you were thinking about going to trial

correct like obviously which would have been a horrible idea but because you the fact is in the feds like you know this the feds they just get two people to sit there you don't have to be pictures nothing they can get like one or two guys to just sit on the stand and say he was involved

he was running it and the jury will convict because the jury thinks well the government wouldn't lie and immediately you could end up with a life sentence so you're already looking at 10 years to was it life yes 10 of life so what ended up happening what was what your lawyer say like people everybody's rolling over on each other like at what point did you say like what did you decide to do well I didn't really decide to do but I was thinking about going to trial because I didn't really get cut physical got caught in the house Right. I was just like driving. It was just like people. It was just like guy was saying, yeah, that was a guy I worked for. Kevin's pointing out that he worked for me. So that was it. You know what I'm saying? And they say when it caught me, they found like some fucking tape and some cleaning supplies. So they know I was going there. And they also saw my garage thing. So that's why I had to link me up to that house that I was going. Right. So now it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter. Yeah. And everybody always thinks that, especially in the federal system,

they always think, well, they didn't catch me with the drugs. It doesn't matter. I was done. They got me and that was it. Yeah, you're watching too much law and order. Yeah. If that's what you think, you're watching too much law and order. Yeah, man.

That's not how it works. So I'm done. They give me two choices. Roll over or fucking take the plea. I'll go to trial. What was the plea? The plea was like 10. Right.

You know, go to trial, go again. more. No matter what I'm starting at 10 years. That's no matter what. If you went to trial, you get life. Yeah, 10. 10 to life and the bottom number is 10. And you got it in the feds, you got to do it fucking... Yeah, there's a mandatory minimum of 10 years

and that's it. You can't get less than that. Yeah, and, you know, maybe through like some good like, through like a halfway house or some bullshit. Drug they took up like year or some bullshit like that. You still got to do like almost like 10 years. No matter what, you know, you can.

Yeah, there's no, there's no parole. I always love to guys. Like, can't you get parole? There's no federal parole. There's, you get a little bit of time off for, for good time, like 15% off. Like, that's it. That's if everything goes right. That's if you don't lose any gain time.

Guys lose gain time for everything. Anytime you get in trouble, they take away 50 days, 40 days. You just lost 25 days. You just like very few people get all of their good time. So, anyway, so, yeah, you're looking at 10. 10 years. Yeah, I was looking at 10 years. And, um, and, uh, that time when I lost everything, uh, maybe the first picture I thought was my mom. And, uh, I'm not going to see my mom no more. And, uh, you know, that, and it's kind of like, it fucked you up like, you know, should I

snitch? Should I cross a fucking line? Should I do this? Should I do that? They got my fucking balls. Like, like, like, what are my plans? What are my options? What are my choices? And, you know, and there's like, there's loyalty And there's also there's, hey, I have a fucking life and this and that So how do you choose between loyalty and having, you know, having your life? You, you know, I'm saying? Because everybody's guilty or, you know, we all do, you know. Aaron was guilty because he know what I was doing.

Kevin know what I was doing. We are guilty. We just don't fucking admit shit, you know? And I was like, I was thinking like, you know and the cups are pressing me hard the feds they're like you know we're gonna hit your leader participant money laundering and all this fucking charges i had like bro what the fuck man you know and my court my all my lawyer was i ever did was like just fucking i don't know kids just take the fucking plea to give you this how it is in the feds you know we've got much time

it is and just take it take it take it and then i was like no matter what i'm getting a hundred twenty fucking months you know and i think i was young and i like i didn't what kills me the most is like I didn't went down for some shit that I did like I got caught with this is Kevin he snitch on me so that was my self-defense like justifications yeah that was like yeah so I was like yeah like yeah you know I was like that I'm all fucking snitch on me and this why should I go down like that so that's why I dragged Aaron down because Aaron's the one to introduce Kevin to me and say he was good for it I trust this motherfucker he ain't around that you fucking took my whole fucking family down.

So I was so fucking pissed. I thought about that. So maybe that was my way out or whatever it is. Right. So I ended up rolling on Aaron. You know, it's fucked up. It's fucked up. I was fucking crying and try because that's my friend.

But he was cooperating too. Yeah. No, he... Oh, he went to trial? Yeah. But then, like, it was so fucked up that but he only got like 10 years. So he's out right now already.

You know, but what fucked up is, like, I never lived alive. I was like telling somebody. I live in the fucking, you know, that hood life or you don't tell you shit shit. But when the Kim Cups, when everything is taking, you know, your finance away from you,

families away from you, every fucking thing's away from you. And, you know, you always want to look for somebody to blame or whatever it is. So I kind of like, you know, I blame Aaron why he introduced me to Kevin

did all that that. But in reality, years later when, you know, right now, I'm thinking, man, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm sorry. Like, you know, the game played like that. That's how, you know, sometime, that's how it is. You know, like, we're all fucking guilty of what we do.

So I feel bad that I told on him, but. Did Kevin tell on him? Did Kevin cooperate against him? Yeah, Kevin cooperate, and Kevin's niche me first. Right. Yeah. So Kevin, Aaron, there were the, also your family members ended up getting jammed up, right? So there's a bunch of people that ended up getting.

Correct. Okay. Well, so what did, how much time did you end up getting? Well, the Cups ought to worry about the feds, the main feds, a fucking officer, what was the fucking name is? He wondered, well, how I did this, organization, how I did it. And he wants to know, like, how they were able to steal all this power because they don't know that so they want my piece that's why like i uh i got a reduce sentence because of that too

because i told them myself that's why i was able to walk in my yard the yard people's like you cannot really walk in it you know what i yeah yeah so yeah so that's how i was like i really i told myself too right they're asking how you did it and you explain how you how you rig the uh yep the power or like the power thing yeah and yeah everything else so and I end up serving. I think it was like four years, two months or four years, five months, instead of ten years. When you say four years, how much, are you including your halfway house? That's including everything.

I didn't get a halfway house. You didn't get halfway house? I didn't get none of that. I thought I was getting deported because, you know, like, I used to be, I didn't have a, I'm an American citizen. So I thought I was getting deported. And I'm American citizen now. Fuck yeah. Right.

I won, you know, but I thought I was going to get deported. So as soon as it released me, I thought the immigration kind of picked me up and deport me because I... Holy shit, that would have sucked. Yeah, bro. So think about, like, all the shit I went through. So, you know, when I get out, prison, I was like, I didn't know where it's to go. And since I'm an introvert, prison was kind of cool because I'm really fucking, I could deal by myself. I'm really...

You know what I'm saying? Right. So it wasn't out bad, you know, my mind if I could... Yeah, I used to... Yeah, I was the same way. Yeah, like I just want to be able to read and walk the yard, you know, walk the, you know, walk a lapse and work out and just, I want to eat my meals and be, I want to be left alone. Like, I don't want to, I'm not here to hang out and play softball and, and, and make, make a bunch of friends and stuff. Like, it's not, you know, I had very, I had a very small group of guys I talked to.

Yeah. Very few. I knew some guys that were like social butterflies. Like, they, they were like, hey, Timmy, John, Bob, what's up? Hey, we're all getting together. They're on, they're playing softball, they're on two softball teams. They're playing in handball competitions. They're going to, they're, they're, they're in the culinary arts classes.

They're taking ace courses. Like, what the hell? Like, these guys are like, it's like college for them. They're loving it. Yeah. Yeah. Not, I wasn't, I just, I just wrote. Yeah, man.

So my story is a little different. That's why my shot caller, I could walk around a yard and be like, that because it wasn't like I cross boundary but it wasn't like the bad it wasn't like I did it myself it was like somebody you know what I'm saying right so that's what I was able to do like I just walked a yard and they just you know where'd you get sent yeah I'm gonna Illinois so you know that time it was it was good you know I mean I went through all that bullshit I'm glad the trial was over all this bullshit it was over. Now, you know, I got a few years I want to do. And so I don't know when I get out.

So one day, I just get a phone call for my lawyer, but like, hey, you know, we just set it out with the judge. You're going to be released. And I'm like, what? What do you mean? Like, yeah, everything is done. You got your cut, whatever it is. You know what I'm saying? So, so that day, like two days later after the phone call. So you got 10 years. Yeah. How long before you got your sentence reduced? Four years and some chain, four years and three months. Oh, Jesus. My God. That's a long time. Yeah, well, they come here right away and just fucking, they just kick me off the prison. So that's why, like, I wasn't prepared. Well, what most people don't realize is, so I think if you're someone who's watching, they're like, okay, so you actually, like, you'll get sentenced. So you got 10 years. You're doing 10 years.

And then you have to wait. So you cooperated, but you have to wait for the government to file something to reduce your sentence. So a lot of times they might never file it. Like you might you might cooperate, help them out, do everything you need to do that they ask you to. And they go, eh, we disagree. It didn't really help us. And then that was what happened in my case. Right. Like I cooperated twice and both times they tried to not give me anything. Yeah. But so you've done four years and then one day you get a call from your lawyer saying they're cutting your sentence. Yeah. Okay. So and yeah. And because that could have never come. No, I didn't. I was like I was suspected that and the thing

it was I was adapting to prison life right I was adapting I had my own hustle I was slaying serious I bought a dude I was just you know I was like I was a compound yard pick trash picker right so I was going to like dorm but like yo you know what I'm serious and I was picking up shoes from the cops

you know what I'm saying like let's be chews out I picked them all myself to this motherfucker I was like I have my yo yo yo this prison shit all right yeah yeah it's a whole thing yeah the cops will throw the cigarettes down, you pick up the cigarette butts,

and then they'll break up little bits and pieces. Because you were saying, a book. $7, bro. Yeah, $7. These guys will pay ridiculous money, ridiculous money for, yeah. Yeah, Matt. Good stuff. Good stuff.

Yeah. Oh, there's so many hustles. Guys will fold clothes, guys will wash clothes. Guys will make people's food. Guys will make your bed. Guys will clean your rooms. There's just tons of, they cut hair. The barber's,

in prison cut better hair than the guys out here cut and better than the barbers at the barbers who had the actual correct tools would cut I mean there's a ton of

of just different hustles like I taught the ace course oh yeah like I taught I taught the real estate course and I sold certificates so you don't have to like you know they they want you the your counselors

want you to get certificates you get for certificates and then they'll recommend you supposedly for more halfway house if you get certificates we want you to constantly be taking an ace course yeah well guys don't want to take an ace course they don't want to take the fucking real estate course they don't want to take so they'd come and some of the guys are like look i don't want to learn how to do real estate like i'm getting out to sell drugs again like they're like i just need the certificate so i can get more halfway house and so they come to me i said great

give me two coffees and two creamers i'll fill out all the tests i'll put down that you came to every class you'll get your certificate yeah and so you'd always have five or ten guys so i always had tons of coffee and creamer crammed into my in my locker. So I never had to pay for coffee and creamer. Yeah, man, that's the thing, man. Yeah, the guys draw. They draw

portraits. Like, there's some great artists. There's some dude with McPurts and stuff too. I sent my daughter in like some purses, bro. Yeah. Wallets. Wallets too. Wallets. It all kind of leather crap. Wallets. Real lizard, bro. Real lizard, bro. Yeah.

He really just skin, like gators and all that. So I always love the old gangsters. Like there's some old gangster who's like 60 years old, who's like been in state prison and murdered three people. And he's got a life sentence for selling coke or crack or something. And they'll be sitting there knitting. Like they're doing up. The old schoolers, yep.

Knit like a like a teddy bear for some guy's daughter. It's like, what's going on there? Croaching. Croixing. Oh, man, you know. Yeah, man, you see some hardcore guys. So you were in, so you were in prison and one day you get the phone call and boom, how long before, after that call for you?

Like two days. Two days? Did you think you were going to ICE? I thought I was, I thought immigration is going to pick me up because I'm an immigrant and immigration, you got a felony there to deport you. Right. So that's what happened. I thought I was going to get deported.

So, and I wish I didn't, thank God. So when I get out I don't know where to go I mean they send me back to Nebraska because that's where my case is at And I was like shit So I have no family I got an ex-wife live in Nebraska

And I just basically I don't You know what I was there? Everybody moved So I'm like fuck So The minute when I got up the bus I was like yo I think I'd rather stay in prison You know

And then I called my ex-wife up And she was nice enough to Give me the basement I live in the basement in I'm an ex-wife's house a fucking embarrassment. What it is? I just got done telling you.

Almost 18 months, for I think 16 months, I stayed in my ex-girlfriend's spare room. Her son had to move out of his room with her husband, her and her husband and her two kids, and I moved in there 14 months.

And listen, when I left, none of them wanted me to leave. I'm doing all the odd jobs that the husband doesn't want to do. The two kids love me. Yeah. Like they still text me to, I got a text yesterday from one of them. And they text me all the time. They call me like we were, but that was 14 months later. The first month or two, horrible. Embarrassing. You're just, it's humiliating. It's an, oh, it's got to be, it's the worst. It is worse. So, uh, luckily I, I still have my old car. Uh, it's, uh, 90. The Ferrari?

No, uh, yeah. The Maroon. The Maroon. You didn't have the Ferrari? No, I know. I left that. It was my sister's car. So it's under my sister. I gave it to my sister. It was like her, but I never delivered a goddamn car because I got busted. Right. So a brother ended up driving. This car was like an, like, uh, apple candy red, you know, like you. Yeah, you know, it was sick. And it was like I had TV and sisters. But I was before like I went in prison. Well, again, I was prison. I was like, this motherfucker like shit. And it will start. So I'm like, oh man, I would have to go like try to fix this motherfucker up. So now I got a car. A piece of shit car that I'm embarrassed.

Drives. And he drives. You know what I'm saying? And I was like I was working for DaVenjis deliver pizza. And then after that at nighttime, I was a bouncer for a black club. Right.

A black club imagine me being a bouncer. You know, be like shooting shit. Muffer got beat up and just, it's a hood, bro. It's a hood club. Right. You know what I'm saying? And Juan Des. one day I just kind of like

I talked to my pen pal which I'm currently married to right now she's my wife we have a 40 year son together so while you were in prison yes there's like pen pal services right was it a service no it was like I know on her like way back and we're just friends oh okay so you started writing this just a chick that you did you knew

so you started writing her okay yeah and when I came out I went over Massachusetts and I started working as an instruction guy and that's it and after that I found in my company tough hands tough hands glove.com so you married the girl yes you have another son yes so now you have two boys okay and you started and at the same time you started a company because you were working construction correct and you started a company that designs

gloves that are like cut resistant gloves? I work gloves. Okay. Because I work for a select demo and I was a labor and I looked at the gloves I didn't like how the glove is

so I just wanted to create a modern product but I was inspired by the president of the company. He's a young kid's name is Ryan Denver he's a high school dropped out. What happened is now he owns like nine companies. I was inspired. You know, I lost my first.

fire after prison. I just want to be a regular fucking guy, get my, you know, go to work 40 hours a week and just be like that. But when I met that guy, I was like, he did what? What inspired me to be that driven again, that fire again? So, you know, after that, I work at a union for demolitions. And in the morning, I said, I cut resistant gloves, too. So I was involved more stuff now than before because of that. So, okay, so you design the gloves, and you have a manufactured? Yes. So I make the gloves. I designed the gloves, and I had it made overseas and sent over here. Tough hands, T-U-F-F-H-A-N-D-S. Tough hands, because, like, it's cold tough hands because, you know, guys like us get out of prison. We're felons.

We can't, we have no options, and we have to work our way up again just to be normal like everything's fucking else. All right. So, you know, everything's fucking tough for us. That's why I call tough hands Like with these fucking tough hands I'll build my fucking empire again Shit like that

Right It's a thing that You know So I trademark that I own that brand Right All right And you're and you're selling the gloves And you're yeah you said

You told me earlier You were selling you sold in the construction companies And the demolition companies And the just different companies That have basically you wear gloves This is funny because You know that in Coleman they made All the guards had to buy gloves

they made gloves that were like cut resistant because of cut and oh and puncture resistance no way yeah and there was a whole there was a whole thing it was on the news because the guards wanted the gloves they wanted the prison to pay for it and they didn't want to pay for it and the guards complained and they did a they were like oh it puts them in danger they like what if they get attacked with somebody's got a knife somebody they put a hand in somebody's pocket and the person has like a yeah needle and stuff so they ended up making the the making them buy Those gloves. Interesting.

Thank you. Might want to think about going to the different states. The feds are obviously taking care of. Maybe the states. Yeah. Might want to contact the states and say, hey, these are cut resistant. Something to figure out. Anyway.

Yeah. Yeah. So you live with your wife and your kid. Yeah. Everything's back to normal nowadays. I got married. By the house, live with my kid, have a decent life.

everything's like I'm a normal it's pretty normal life is pretty normal nowadays you know it's not that bad like uh I mean sometime when I reminisce about a past it fucks me up a little bit but I just try to be like go through it every day but it still hunts me at night going through like my case and the years and this and that I have no regrets just no fucking regress or you know whatever happens it happens because at the end of the day I have a beautiful sun now so I have no regrets

I'll do it again how long have you been out I've been out like five years I think okay five years or something all right so it's fine so if you like the video

hit the like button no hit the like button yeah hit the like button subscribe hit the bell Leave a comment, share the video, and I appreciate you guys checking it out, and see you. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and we're going over one of the largest grow operations in Nebraska history. So you were born in Vietnam? Yes.

All right. I came to the United States when I was like eight years old. All right. With both your parents? No, just my mom. Right. We were on a fishing boat, and we were escaped from Vietnam, 87. I think I was like...

Your dad was... No, I don't have a father. Well, it's not immaculate conception. You have a father. I do have a father, but I disappear in my mom, man. So was it a U.S. a GI? Oh, yeah, my first... My first, my mom's first husband, he's a GI.

Okay. And her second husband, that's my father. And the guy disappeared in my mom after I came out. Okay. So my mom came to the United States with this GI widow because her first husband died. Right. All right.

And that's, I go by his last name because he is, you know, Vietnamese traditions. I just carry a guy's last name because I don't really have a fucking last name myself. That's fine. I don't know, you can cuss. So I came to Thailand in 87. So you went to Vietnam, from Vietnam to Thailand because the communists were taking over. Is that correct?

Okay. That's when everybody like, shit hits the fan. Yeah, yeah. It's got to get out. We got to get out of Dodge. Yeah. Yeah. And it was kind of crazy because there's three days on a fishing boat.

On a boat we had no water. The grown-up fuck everything up for us. So it was like no water, no food. And we were just like stranded into like the ocean's floating for like three. days with no water luckily the Thailand ship fishermen rescue us and the American GIs came all that bullshit that's why I end up here well so you went to you went to Thailand and then you what then you you migrated here like on a rescue camp yes okay how long were you in the refugee camp six months six months yeah I was like six

months at eight years old in a refugee camp yeah fucking ain't so it got worse when I came to America and I live in Washington and And then the place me in like this fucking, it was like a hood. So like my first experience was like seeing all those guys, gangsters. Like, there was like a, it was like the early, it was like the late 80s. So it was like you see like, that was like a crack era and all that bullshit. So it was like the hood. Right.

And Seattle, so it was kind of like messed up, you know what I'm saying. So I seen all this and I was just kind of like, wow, kind of scary when you intimidate you when you're eight year old. scarier in Seattle than it was in Vietnam? Well, Vietnam, I didn't really... I mean, I don't know. I'm just asking. I'm not... I'm just saying I would be terrified in Vietnam.

But, you know, just to me, especially during the war, even after the war, even worse. Yeah, it was worse. In the countryside, but when you're young, like, growing up, Vietnam, I, when you're young, you don't will understand how it is. but when I was get older in America I understand these people I started understanding things in America

right why there's you know guys like dealing drugs I was like why the guys doing that and then notice the shit I see when I'm growing up you know in Seattle so it's kind of messed up okay and from that on I you know this is where I learned how to like

sell weed and all that bull shit so you started hanging out with yeah I started hanging out with like Then all those Asian, you know, older cats around me, I was like 13, 12, but they were like 18, 19. They all drive, like, nice cars fucking, back then, Jared Crow was a fucking big thing for Asian people, too. So, you know, that's how they look. So, and I hang around with them, and I would skip school, hang around with them all the time. I just learned how we're like, that's how you steal a car.

That's how you did this. So that's, you know, so, oh, okay, that's how you buy shit like that. So I was learning all the street shit, stuff, the school shit, because. Because for me to see shit and learn it, it's more like I was learning to experience more than be in school because I couldn't fucking do it. And so that on, it leads me to 16 years old. After that, I was 16.

I fucking, me and my step that had an artication, so I left the house. I never came back. So I dropped out of high school, left the house, here I am with all these little homies. and what we did for money was a daytime we go like rough houses and a night time we go jack cars

you know like steel stereos and rims and shit we're like fucking little kids we just want to get high and smoke wheat and fuck bitches right those are what we do you know we just fucking kids you know so instead of going to school so we have apartment all my boys we just live there was what we do until like I started like

selling wheat first I sell like crack coat all that but I didn't like the game it's a fucking dirty game I see people It's life miserable. I hate it. And what I like about weed is because it charges less. And I'll kill people.

Right. I don't have to do scummy shit, this and that. I'm just fucking sell weed. And you're just dealing with guys that just want to smoke pot. Correct, sir. You know, like those kind of things. I don't, you know, so that's why I like the weed game. I started like 20 sacks selling pounds.

Went through like five pounds, 20 pounds. From that 16 on, I just kept hustling. And then I had guys that sell my wheat. But I was all right. And I met my girls. girl, her name was rainy. I had a little son, 1990, 1999, December. How were you? Roughly. Yeah, probably 40, so.

You were 40? No, no, no, I was 19. My baby. You were probably 19. Yeah. So I had him, and we had a good thing. But that time I was young, so I was kind of like still fucking around, thinking this and that. And I cheat on her.

She don't know. Kills me. So, uh, fucking, uh, she finds out about it. And we broke up. So that's no three. And, uh, I fucking, uh, I left. That's when you went to, uh, I want to escape, man. I have to go somewhere.

I'm, I was like, I fucked up, man. Right. Fucked up, man. You know what I'm saying? So I went to, you know, and I heard my family was like in this game too, like the Girl Week game. I want to like, you know, since I'm, I just want to go, Spear New Game, you know, because I went up to stay in Canada.

I like the people there in Toronto, so I stayed there for another two years. So your family, your family, you had family members in Toronto and they were also selling weed, so you went up there to kind of what, figure out how to grow it? No, I just like, like, like, just getting, getting away, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just want to get away, you know, and then I stumbled into that. But I know, like, they were growing from, you know, I know it. because they're doing pretty good. And so it's kind of like went over there, I chill, learn it, you know.

Then that's how I got into it. But what did you learn? You learned that they were growing it? I learned how to grow. Because the guy that later on I got caught with, that's actually my, he's my partner. He's like fucking 30 years, 20 years older than me. I call my uncle. But he's actually my partner in Canada already.

We had a house together. We were doing it. So, you know, that's how I was able to sustain myself all this time. you know it's just from like from uh weed and shit so i you know i was learning how to grow weed in canada and we had a house up there so i was learning while i was working with him but i was having fun too so i'm single i'm just man i don't know bro i just at the time of my life i was pretty fucked i was party all the time you know maybe you're like 19 20 years old how long were you up in in canada for two years two years yeah so when i went to

uh and then i had i heard i had a family in a break and a So no, me, I had no fucking family or brother, there's nothing like that. So every time I heard of a family member, I'm like, wow, that's like, that's crazy to go see them. Right. So I went over here and then I just, you know, fucking around. I stayed for like Nebraska for two weeks and I was smoking wheat. And I was like, there's some fucking brick wheat. Like, season's thing.

I haven't seen this shit. It's like 1994. Right. You get what I was. That's from like what? Mexican-Bammer. Yeah, the Mexican are the fucking bricks. We just told people.

The shit's hilarious So I, you know I'm smoking that shit takes me like 20, 30 minutes And get out of fucking seats and stamps And all the bullshit And I figure Why don't I just fucking growing this shit It's called, you know

To show the shit as I'm growing It's called BC Butts Because I took the clone from Canada And bring her back So that's how I got it I started that Right So I started it

That's how I started it But this is in Nebraska Yeah So I took Canada. Right. You took the Canadian weed. You brought it there and you start growing it there. Growing it.

I mean, was it right away you bought a house and you converted it? No, I mean, it was kind of like I didn't buy a house and converted like crazy converted. I can't afford a fucking nice house. So what I did was, you know, that rent to own bullshit, right? Yeah. So what I did was this guy, he had a house on 33X Street. And it was a shitty fucking house, like one bedroom house. So fucking shitty.

So I bought this house to rent it on, give him $5 grand, and my pain was $500 a month. That was it. You know what I'm saying? And it was rent to home. Man, that must be a shitty house. It was a shitty house, though. So I was growing in my living room, and we had, like, little fucking, like, you know, back in a hard years ago to dig some shit underground.

It was like a fucking, I don't know, it was about 10 by, no, it's like 7 by 7. Just enough for me to vetch, you know, vetch wheat. Right. So it was like two stage, vetching and blooming. So I vetched my weed down there And I flour on my living room And this and 03 O 4, my ex

My girlfriend, she hit Those bitch fucking cold me up But like, yo, I can't take care of your son So here I am Fucking gotta take care of my fucking son That motherfucker's like four years old You know So, no, five years old

So I got raised him You know, we were like living in this little fucking little room And the little room's full wheat And I got to tell this guy, yo, do not tell anybody about what daddy doing. So wait, so did you went back to Seattle, picked him up and brought him back? No, the bitch dropped him off. She just showed up in Nebraska and said to her.

No, she called me up. Well, I know. Yeah, yeah. But she showed up and she's like, I can't take care of him. You're going to take care of him. You used to have step off some shit. And I'm like, what the fuck? I'm living in a grow house.

Right. You see my living room. So when she came over, she didn't stay in my house. she was had to put her a whole motel because the room wasn't big enough just me me me it you know what I was it a fucking TV a bed and a little fucking little fridge and I'm just waiting for the time to harvest so I could you know get a little better because that time I only had like maybe like six months of expenses like maybe six seven thousand Marines 500 and I got a kit so I'm trying to budget every fucking thing out you know what I'm saying so that's it

How many plants are you growing? By heart plants at that time. At that time, that time, that was a heart. I did a heart. My harvest, it was like, so three and a half months later, it was like, my, my bad, three and a half months later, like when I harvest, it was like maybe I made like 16 grand out of it. So that's one like.

Okay, so you're taking 16 grand over three months. That's 4,000, or that's what? Yeah, but a little over 5,000. Yeah, but it was to me, I was just like, wow, all right, so I could breathe a little bit. At least have some money because now, like, I'm still surviving, but I haven't really, you know, and after that, a month later, a month later, a month later, a month later, a month later. So the harvest come in every month? Yeah.

No, every six weeks, bro. Oh, okay. But it's every fucking six weeks. So I was able to harvest, but that time I didn't steal, I didn't steal electricity yet. What's the electricity? So here's the thing about the electricity. Yes, sir. And I've heard this before from guys where they were like, like, I guess you're drawing the lights draw a different type of ampage or something.

And as a result, the electric company kind of figures out what he's got to be running lights or something. And then so then they'll get like a warrant and come after you, like the cops will. Is that that why you steal the electricity? That and cost, right? Correct. Because each bell is, it sucks a thousand watts. It's a thousand wealth of one light. For how long?

It depends. You run it 12 hours, 18 hours. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, back in the day, it's called high sodium, high pressure sodium and metal high light. Okay.

Those shit drains a lot of electricity. It's not like nowadays where every fucking LED and shit like that. Yeah. So when you use too much, like maybe 10 of them, it would reflect your house. You're pulling too much electricity.

And now the local cops can get, or the, what a DEA can get, like, a warrant and just raid your shit. Well, what happened is, like, the electricity companies will come and check it out, and after that, we reflect, it will reflect to the police department because all day, what happened is to fly a cup there by your house and they shoot infrared, infrared down your house, your basement, just see the heat level. So, I mean, how long can you get away with it until that happened? Well, you got to be nice to your neighbor.

Your neighbors don't want to fuck you up. Well, one thing is what I learned after You got to be nice to your neighbors Yeah You know, yeah And after that, I learned how to I pay my old boss to come down Nebraska Teach me how to fucking

Stole that power Right, so the guy from Canada comes down At this point you have one house That's one Right But at this point you realize I got to figure That to get around that

Yes I got to steal electricity. Because I see people got busted. Like, people got busted with, like, how, like, I, there's people in Seattle got busters like that all the time. Right. We're fucking, like, crazy fucking power. But to figure it out a way how to tap the wire, the power,

before it registrate into the meter. Right. So that's what happened that I did it. That's what happened. So when I got busted, when it held me how to fuck it did that. You know, that was my shit, too. Because I wonder how I did it. And that's how I did it.

I was able, so, man, you got to think, like, a regular house you could do max is like eight lights, two for vetching and eight for flowering. But you could triple that amount by power of like 30,000 watts, you know what I'm saying, before it goes in the meter. So the power comes on is the main live wire and limited power. So it never registered sure up to anything the meter. So they never know how much fucking power you use from them. Right. If it doesn't go through the meter They have no clue

I have no clue because it's fucking live Right right It's live like they I don't know Technology nowadays today You could do it Maybe back in my day I think of the smart meter Yeah

So Okay so So you're so you're basically You're you're circumventing the meter And stealing power And so you're basically Unlimited on as many plants As you can grow

As many as you can get in the house That's why Yeah that's yeah So you jump from what so it what what's so what happened then you got another house what yes so i went and got in the house on normal streets and um that time i had no job so i have to like a normal street yeah it's called normal i love you got x street normal street normal street ain't the fucking some shit i know the whole crazy story and you know i have none of that shit so i had to get

people under his name so my friend his name was toy ball He helped me get that house, and that's how I met Aaron and Polk. So, that, what was the name, the first guy? Trey Vault. What? Huh? The guy that helped you get the house. Oh, Toy Vault.

Toy Vault. Well, and he's also Vietnamese? Yeah, he's Vietnamese. Okay. He ended up, I was doing pretty good until he ended up killing somebody. Yeah, that always throws a wrench in the machinery. Well, the fucked up thing is the dude that he killed ended up being gay. yeah yeah so he was jealous right so he was jealous his girl was like dancing with this gay dude

at a club and we all knew they do was fucking gay as fuck because we know he was gay right so what toy vaugh that night i was supposed to go hang with him and you know shoot some shit and you know talking you know well i didn't hang with that night so he hanged by himself went to the club whatever so he saw that dude what happened is he shank the dude i don't know her fucking time the dude end up dying so he he got life right now you uh you know we still talk yeah but but So he fucked me up. A bitch, I stabbed him before and he didn't die. No, sorry.

Okay, so he's fucking wild, bro. So he stabbed some guy. All right, a boyfriend, whatever. Yeah, it was like some, just because a gay guy was dancing with his girlfriend. That was the reason why. Oh, a gay guy was dancing with his girlfriend. Yeah, the gay guy. Yeah.

Oh, okay. Now it makes sense. Okay. My bad, man. I'm right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, still. Anyway, so he stabbed him and not how I typically. resolve my differences with people but that's fine yeah um so that guy so that guy dies and they come after your buddy yeah he goes to prison yes so here I am stuck with a house with a bunch of fucking wheat and my you know he's my he's my he's my he's my co-signer but then I got to deal with his fucking ass like he's in jail prison forever you know what I'm saying so what I did was just I just

shut the house down that but when I met Aaron that's when I'm about a house from Aaron so we and Aaron we became like really good friends you know I tell my story so he knows here I am walking with a kid all the time I'm with the fucking like my son's four or five years old all the fucking time so here even when I go say weed I'm with the fucking kid everyone I do I'm with the fucking kid so is Aaron also Vietnamese no he's white okay yeah white Aaron Polks my bad because I mean a lot of your co-defendants I know are Vietnamese like everybody thus far has been Vietnamese this is the first white guy that's entered the I know when I saw all the mug shots like there was always like

vietnamese Vietnamese Vietnamese and then there was there was there was two guys yeah the guy uh Kevin Polk um Karen Bolton he's a guy to uh snitch me out when he got caught with my house he's the one that told on me right because oh we get yeah yeah so I'll tell you that later bro all right so so right now you shut down the house with Aaron no I shut down that yeah okay and then you what did you get another house I got another house with Aaron, when I met Aaron, that's when, like, shit's kind of, like, helped me out a little bit. So now I got, like, I know. Aaron, he owns an investment for him, an investment for him, like, really states investments.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Selling around, you know, so all right, now I got a fucking house. And somebody who can get you the houses. Yes, and I learn how the power comes from. So now it's like, okay, but I'm still going to fucking get. so my time is always with the kid and then

now I got the house on 81st Street is a big house he was like 3,000 square foot like three garage and I love the basement because it's a thousand square foot I didn't give a fuck about nothing though I just care how big the house is

how new power is it how many amps is it is it new can I do this how many plants can I get in it correct sir you know what I was like I hit the house up with like a thousand pet plan our first thousand but I take some of

forever clone all that shit. So what happens, you have to prep, before anything you do, you have to prepare, like, I have to clone a month ahead of schedule because it takes seven days, get roots or whatever it is, another three weeks or four weeks, get mature enough to, right, kind of like stages and stuff like that. Yeah. So I had a thousand plans in there, and now, like, I'm doing 30 lights, you know what I'm saying? So this is my first time ever going to, like, full power with this house.

And I love it. Right. So, like, now I have clientele's already. Those clientels I'll be building. And now I had that house. So that's how it happens. But then bam, shit hit the fence again. I got caught.

Yeah, I was in 2006. Yeah, I owned that house. Oh, yeah. That time I own a pool hall too. So what, you want to pull? Because basically at this point, you're making money. You're starting to make some money. Well, right?

Yeah. I bought a pool hall. I bought Bill and Wind Pool Hall. And I think it was like 06. Well, man, how did you buy the pool? I mean, you must have been making money at this point to buy a pool hall. Well, it was through an Asian guy. It was like 30 grand.

You know, most people don't have 30 grand. I'm just letting you know. Most people don't have 30 grand to blow on a pool hall. So you must have been doing starting to do okay. Well, Matt, man, like yourself, you're an entrepreneur. Like your mind's always like, yo, I'm going to make some more. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that.

And later, you're acting like I wasn't like, yeah, I was really scraping by. you just bought a pool hall for 30 grand i mean you didn't you're not broke so you're doing you you're starting to make some money oh yeah i mean right but what i wasn't like like you were on balling no i understand no no i was driving ferrari's and no that's later on yeah that's later yeah that's later on you know what i mean my life is so fucking comical man it's like this shit is so fucking funny sometimes so what happened so how'd you get busted huh what led to you getting busted the first the first time oh the first one uh the three three yeah the x street house well i had a i think it was my fucking doc or some shit like that and like

i didn't write like i'm supposed to like talk to the fucking my rent my rent-to-own landlord or some shit and i never did so i must have went on my house and fucking like open it and you fucking saw all that and that's how i got busted but i won see because i won the fucking case it makes me think i was arrogant right well so he wait wait so you have did you get arrested though like they came in they grabbed you like what happened no i got arrested because my neighbor was like hey we saw a bunch of cops go to your house okay and i was just like oh shit so i was like all right so that time i shut down the pool hall so i was laying low i was just laying low for like maybe like eight nine months and just kind of like just go one day you were hiding

now yeah yeah yeah just do one thing since until i went to the casino and i was driving one day Then I got busted. Then I had a lawyer, Kurt, pay him like $20,000 and fucking... Yeah. And this is local cops had raided the place.

Yeah, it was local cops. It wasn't DEA or anything else. No, no, dude was just like, it was kind of shitty too, because I kind of like, all the plans was kind of dead because I was already, kind of like, I don't need that house no more.

I was kind of like, got to like get that house, get ready, and just finally shout it out, whatever, because that house, I was done. I was on a different level. right now I don't need that so that cussed me like I want the case instead of a manufacturer I walk away with possessions under a pound so I did four months in jail because I mean they could but there was like a hundred pound plants in there no but it's just a bunch of fucking like meal small shit you know what I'm saying yeah it was just vegging okay so if you added it all up it wasn't yeah it wasn't like that you know so I

I got away with that, and while I was in jail, I had my, well, so I had my cousin, whatever it is, get, pick all the weeds from all those people, he got busted, I was on my fucking this. So I was in jail, and I was selling wheat already. You know what I'm saying? Because I tell him, hey, go pick up my shit and make sure all my fucking guys eat. Because what he did, I was in jail for four months, he was selling all my wheat. You know, I still make money when I was in jail. Right.

So the houses are still going. No, the house is kind of stuff, but I was buying wheat. See, all the guys that grow wheat, I was buying the shit. I'm not just a grower. I'll buy everybody's shit, too. So now you're distributing, you're buying the stuff, and you're redistributing it to your dealers that are selling that had their customers. Okay.

While you're in prison, I mean, while you're locked up waiting for this charge to get a return. Yeah, so, like, I was still doing that. I was just like, but then that's how like all those, those, you know, family, whatever it is. I was buying their wheat and just sell to you and now Omaha and Lincoln and whatever, whatever it is. I was still doing that because so when I get out and four months later my cousin Tito pick me up with a fucking hummer and he gave me two grand and he's like yo I give you the rest of your fucking money tomorrow because because whatever we did those four months I'm supposed to get half and I know he did a lot so I got like you know what keep the rest bro I just need two grand

you know what I'm saying and hey real quick just wanted to let you guys know that I have a book my personal story. It's called Shark in the Housing Pool, and maybe Colby will put it up or not. I don't know. I also wrote a book about a buddy mine in prison. His name is Walter Rossini, and it's called Devil Exposed.

I also wrote a book called The Program about me going through the drug program in prison. It's practically a cult. And my favorite is Bent, about John Boziac, being a homeless kid on the streets of Miami that ultimately was one of the most prolific counterfeit counterfeiters of credit cards in the

cyber underground. So check the links in the description. I'll have a link to every single book and back to the podcast. So instead of getting all those money from him, those four months that I did while I was locked up, I just kind of like gave it away because I just won my guys.

Right. You know? Has you won the case yet? No, I won that, okay. Oh, he's out. No, I know I knew you got out, but I didn't know if you got out on bond or not. No, that time, I had to do. I had to serve time that time.

I was on bail. Oh, okay, I didn't know. I thought maybe, for some reason, I thought you maybe. He was charged with distribution and played out to, like, a question. Yeah. Oh, okay. Until your time was the four months. Oh, yeah.

Okay, I get, I get, I got it. Yeah, so that time, I was in county map. I'd never been, like, hardcore prison. I was just county. Right. Fucking county. So you get out, you start, you start. do you start up again what do you do yeah i started up again i started up again

yep i started up again and then after that uh i went and getting out of house down 27th street and pine lay whatever another like now these is all like kind of like a suburban name place a bunch of white folks all right like middle class kind of better yeah yeah yeah so it's kind of like that so i kind of like blend in because that time i i was kind of like blame i'm with the kids or the kid me look good all the time. Right. Like, I'm a fucking struggling father with a fucking kid, you know, shit like that. Yeah.

You know, and so I end up met him my wife, you know, and I have a daughter with her. That's when I start, like, you know, doing things, open more business. I'll open a coffee shop and after I open a nail shop. So how many houses do you have now at this point? How many houses do you run? About three life. So now you're running three houses. and they're all got a thousand points apiece.

And I think that time I was buying weed from everybody too. And you're buying weed from other grow houses. Yeah, but I didn't buy like mass of them. I was buying like maybe like four or five pounds here, four or five pounds there. Yeah, just whatever you need to meet to demand. You can only supply so much if there's extra, I need an extra four pounds, I need an extra two pounds. Correct. But the price, the price was like I get it for, I bought it from them for two grand.

I flip out 25. My guys flipped out to like 36. But I always try to get my guys the lowest number ever because I want to make sure to eat, you know what I'm saying? Like I did I eat, everybody fucking eat. And that's how I did it. So how are you laundering the money through the, you said you opened up a coffee shop. Coffee shop. So you got a coffee shop and what else?

A nail shop. Nail salon. Right. Or nail shop. So, I mean, what did you do? You went in, you just renovate? Did you buy the buildings, or did you just, you lease the space? No, I leased the space, and I just built every fucking thing up.

That's what I did with the nail shop, too. And then you just take the cash and you put it in the bank and you say that this is a cash business. There's a lot of cash businesses. Because those are cash business. Yeah, yeah. You know, and I, you know, I never had like mentors that tells me, yo, you supposed to do this and really say, well, do this stocks and just, all my mentors, Matt, you got realized all the people that taught me. you know, fucking drug dealers and crazy motherfuckers. Yeah.

They never really teach me what's it like to be, like, white-collar shit, you know what I'm saying? Right. Like, hey, kid you supposed to do this, learn this, that, no, no tells my shit. Yeah, you figure I buy a business, I start a business, make sure it's a cash business, and I can funnel in some of the, it doesn't even matter if the business makes money. The business can take a loss, it's going to look on paper, it's going to look like it makes money. That's why they got me because when they bust me, they're like, we know your business don't make shit. We watch you.

All you do is gamble. and fucking parties all the time because my cousin mother cousin driver this is like an escalate 26 my cousin driver 7 50 I think that time I had to say X6 and my other cousin

because I have 650 what's an X6 BMW? BMW yeah did you buy a Ferrari at one point yeah did why well that hitting

that was like really hitting like nobody really no because I parked a motherfucker down town only like certain people know it was about I think because of that I got bused I was just going to say, do you think that was suspicious? Yeah, but no. Because this one night, I picked my cousin from Toronto.

You know, we were just like, pick him up and we just, you know, he landed and we just like, and I'm here I don't want to fucking show off beer. And yeah, cousin, I'm doing, you know. Yeah, yeah. Stupid shit like that. So we just driving and then we were just smoking. I got pulled over. And the cop was like, hey, you know, it's a high profile shit.

I didn't understand what the fucking high profile. Right. You know what I'm like, yeah, whatever, bro. Just give me a fucking. taking him to get on my way you know and then he wrote some shit down and then um i think what really his defend is when my cousin shot that guy seven time yeah i mean he lives the guy fucking lived bro you know like i don't know what that what that i don't know what to say so how how did that okay so how did how your cousin so how why did your cousin shoot someone seven

times like it seems excessive but what why is why did someone why did yeah man my cousin john he's uh i love that food because he he he's so like manly like guys like that we don't see like much it wasn't even his fight his friend started the trouble and he was just like my own business he just have a kid he started trouble like what do you mean like like at a bar a house i was house party his friend come up to yo i got some altercation with his little, you know, some Spanish dude. My cousin always wanted to be a fucking hero and save his friend. So my cousin drive over there and, you know, try to save him.

Man, the dude run up to this dude and try to stab him, stab my cousin's friend. My cousin pulled out his fucking, I think he's 45 and shot that dude. From trying to save his friend. It wasn't in my cousin's fight. Right. It was some dude, some bullshit. hadn't on but he's one hope to do well what happened is all this guy that he helped turn

out snitch on him yeah so it's kind of fucked up so what happened is when my cousin and my cousin he's in the game too he's so so there was a spanish guy that tried to try to stab your cousin no your cousin's friend your cousin shoots the spanish guy and then the guy that your that your cousin protected when he got busted he when he got busted he snitched out your your cousin dog snitching my cousin yeah yeah just dude I shot him mind that some shit you know what I'm saying and my cousin he you know he the time he was on like early he's 20 he got so much shit going and he look up to me and I'm just like I'm just like he's due so my whole family is pissed because they think that I transformed my cousin I did that to my cousin

And you let him over to the dark side, right? Well, I was a bad role model. That's what their whole family blamed me. So I'm just like, it is kind of fucked up because when he got, when he was busted, the whole family bail him out like $100,000 on belt. So he's on belt. The cops are fucking pissed. Why is this young guys connected?

This is his own fucking belt. How's he come up with $100? And correct. And like after that, right? So my cousin here, we're chilling every fucking day in my coffee shop, playing cards every fucking day, smoking wheat. This is all we do all day. So I think like ever since my cousin shot that, shot him.

Right. And the cars I was driving, all, everybody was doing. We were like, I think we were like, time was running out for us. Yeah, you were. They know something's going on. This guy's hanging out. He's hanging out all day, smoking pot and drinking coffee, driving a Ferrari. Something's going on.

Yeah. Plus, I'm sure they hear, you know, let's face it, because the cops, they know what's going on. They've got, they've got. CIs that are always telling, look, man, this guy's doing this. And then they just kind of put you, okay, well, they put your name in the computer, and then one day, two months later, you get pulled over, get a ticket in a Ferrari. You know, and then, oh, your name comes up enough times, they start to say, hey, look, maybe it's time to watch this guy for a couple days.

They follow you around for a week next thing you know, they got to, they're starting a case. This is definitely what's happening. You know, one of your dealers buddies gets busted and he says, he's buying his shit from this guy. You know, next thing, you know, there's a case. You know, and that's exactly. So, and you were you, and the Ferrari probably didn't help. But, yeah, so the, so who's working on the nail salon? Uh, dot time.

Oh, right now. Oh, you still have the nail salon? I don't know. I don't know. I gave it back. I mean, when I came out, she tried to give it back to me, but I walk away. I walk away. I walk away and I went to Massachusetts. I walk away from that.

So what? So, yeah, so what, so your, so your, so your cousin. got your cousin shot the guy how much time did your cousin get 40 years he's still he just hit me up like a few days you go we face-time and what that bullshit is in and this is in in uh Nebraska yeah do they have uh do they have uh yeah he's gonna do like half I think he's gonna do like 20 years he's got now like three years left four years left oh bro 20 years in a state prison in a state prison man my cut gladiator school horrible gladiated school huh you fight I've heard of them state guys

that go harder than us, huh? Way hard. I would, I'd rather do, everybody I know that's done state time has always said, like, I'd rather do 10 years in the Fed than five years in state. Glad to, yeah, you know, in Florida.

Like, they don't even have AC in Florida. What? Sweat, everything's, everybody, you talked to that guy, Josh, that I did a podcast with this guy, Josh. He's like, everything's brown. From, just from sweat. Everything's drenched in sweat.

He's like, all the mattresses. You can't sleep with covers on because it's so hot at night. It's just, it's disgusting. Everybody I know that's gone to the state of Florida has been like, it's the worst. The guards are brutal.

You know, you know, Fed times like easy commitment. Not that that it's easy, but it's, I'm not, no guards are attacking me or beating me up for looking at them cocky. Nobody's,

you know, it's not, it's not, not that situation, especially if it's a nonviolent crime. Right. Like, Did you end up in a, well, I was in medium high.

Yeah, well, let's let's, sorry, go ahead. So, so your cousin, he got, he got his case, he got sentenced. So what, what was like kind of the next thing after that that happened? Like the Fed, I understand they got on you. Who started watching you? I'm not sure. Did it start the state or did it, was it Fed? State.

I think it was state and started watching me because, you know, like, because nowadays, I start thinking like pictures. I have pictures of memories, you know, like, when you got, cotton, you wonder why you fucking got caught and you're thinking, thinking, think. Yeah, you start noticing that guy last week that I saw two or three times and he must, you know what? He was there for, like, I thought that was weird, right?

Yeah. And there were like copters flying over. When I'm the house, I was growing. That can't off. You know, I was smoking in the balcony. I was like, why the fuck's that shit flying over? You know what I was. Right. You know, what's happening is most likely that it's funny because

like if you had ordered the freedom of information Act on your case. Like, you'd know exactly what was going on. You could order those documents, read the documents, and be like, oh, look, right here, they did fly a helicopter. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, you can order all that shit, man. I didn't know that.

I can show you how to order all that. Wow. So, but I was going to say most likely, somebody said, that's where he's growing. So they flew a helicopter. They tried to look and see and check it out. Well, that's funny. We didn't get anything from the electric company. So then they fly over with the infrared and try and figure out.

probably why but so what so how did that progress you start seeing things what did you did they ever bring in or was it just one day boom you got raided i was the day that i got raided um the day that uh cat one of my house got busted's cabin belton's house uh i was in my coffee shop gambling drink coffee smoking weed and shit and i got this phone call from my uh sister were like hey your house getting a bunch of cups over your house right now like what and I just like that I was just like yeah I was just like it's not good I was like so I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm like fuck I'm gonna do this I'm fucking done but but your but the house isn't in your name yeah but I was thinking like I'm you know you know when shit like dad you just like fuck are they onto my house

so I'm thinking like so many shit like what's going on the way in all the fucking house whatever it is and so later that night right I want to go clean up my other house so I told like I told my the guy from Canada

I was like yo I gotta go clean up fucking house you know what I'm saying the other existing house yeah it's like two more you're thinking shut them down clean up because I was like I mean I could go down

with my house and he could go down I was like I told Kevin like before this anything happens don't say anything dude no fuck I'll bail you out right away

I did out bail him out that fucking night but I was went to jail I got cut I would bail him out you get what I'm saying right

yeah so it's like I told him I told him how the game is I was like yo you're a fucking pretty white boy he had no record

nothing else that was gonna happen to you the worst you could do is you're gonna get a year and sometime and for for a manufacturer

for one house it's not a lot it's fucking weed and this is just the local cops. Yeah. Okay.

At that point. At that time, this is what I told before everything happens, like I told, because I understand how the game works, be like, your first time failing, you ain't going to get shit, this and that, you're going to be really near with you. And, you know, you're never been in trouble before. You're going to be good. Safety value. You've never been in trouble.

You can only get. Yeah. So how I met Belton, Kevin is to Aaron. Aaron's my real estate guy. Right. And Kevin. is Aaron's best friends. And I asked before,

I don't really need Kevin because he was there. So I was like, Aaron's like, I love Aaron. He's like my really best friend that time. You know, I still love that fucker. You know, but he introduced me to Kevin and he said Kevin's good for it.

I asked him, yo, is you got good? He's got good for it. Because I'm about let this motherfucker know my life. Right. You know what I'm saying? And like I had like so many aliens. I'm like a ghost sometime, but people don't really know my name.

my real name, anything. They just know, like, I'm like that. That's it. So, Kevin, and I'm knowing who I am, like, what I do inside my business and everything I do. So it was like I was training Kevin to be, like, kind of me in a way when I'm going to focus more time on, like, you know, like, because I have a nail shop, I have a fucking coffee shop.

I'm trying to do legit now. I just need a couple more rounds. I'm fucking done with this. I've been hustled my whole fucking life, you know? I don't need this no more. and then I showed Kevin how to water plans how treatments how to you know went to water went to cut and whatever it's like kind of talking and like that but I didn't I was still I was still slinging I was still growing like still you know doing all my thing you know I'm still but I'm not really

actually watering doing all that you get what I'm saying bro so and whatever it comes out I was like I gave you half you know what I'm saying so it was kind of like you know you're getting rent-free, you've got fucking 50% of my what I'm doing. All you do is fucking water my shit and kind of like, you know what I'm saying? Do my shit. And I'm giving like, I chose generous. And so he was watching

three motherfucking house like that. So he's just water my plans and now he really knows me. So that's why he did. So he was doing that while I was just lame and run a business. And the house got raided. He gets arrested. Yeah.

He got pulled over with like repeat. He got pulled over. That's what I thought happens. He got pulled over and they got a warrant for his house because that was his address he gave. Motherfucker! I didn't know he got pulled over. Nick went to his house.

I never know he got over. This is what I thought the cops went to his house. He thought they raided the house and grabbed him at that time. Correct. And he snitched all my other house. I didn't know who he got pulled over. No wonder this motherfucker did. here when I got out of prison.

Seriously, right when the news released, I say, oh, I'm about about you out of prison. He motherfucker, he moved to California because somebody told me. I didn't know. Don't look at me. I don't know that. I mean, I assumed he got arrested when they raided the house. I assume

they raided the house because they saw it from the helicopter or something. They may have pulled him over and been like, look, we're going to your house. Bring us to your house. I mean, who knows? Who knows how they got there. You know, for him they've gotten pulled over and told them about the house, like, that doesn't make sense.

He probably got pulled over. They already knew about the house, most likely. Like, you don't get pulled over for a traffic dick and say, by the way, I'm running a grow house. Right. So they may have pulled him over to say, look, we're going to go in the house, we need you to bring us, we're going to the house, we're going to the house, we're going in. Like, it's easier to pull him over on a car than it is to raid the house.

He may be in there with a gun. They don't know. Well, anyway, I'm not going to be mad about the fuck. Yeah, so. Yep. So we end up telling him all the houses. So he tells on, he tells, hey, look, they've got other houses. Yep.

Okay. You know, suit, what trippy. He tells him your name and that he does the whole, that lays it out. Here's the other houses. Here's, they. Yep. And then, what, make it worse. Did you, were you in the house?

Sorry, were you in. I was never in the other house. So you weren't even near there. I wasn't even near. That's why, like. Did you know the other houses got robbed? Or, I mean, got raided? Huh?

Did you know the other houses got raided? I was going to go clean the house. Remember that night? I wasn't in his first house. And I was like, you were going to get him out of, right? I was going to like, yo, I got to go chop down on fucking trees because this is like thousands of fucking, you know, this is like every fucking where. So that's how, but on my way there, I didn't get caught in the house. I got caught in the fucking house.

Same way he got caught. I'm saying, like, when I read the articles, When I read the articles, it was like, there was like one house, and they were like, hey, there's, you know, there was a raid, this guy got arrested, there was one house, and it was like, it was like, I forget, it was like 900 plants or something. I was like, oh, it was like, oh, it's like 900 plants, oh, okay. And then I was like, oh, hey, here's another article, you know, a week later, two weeks later. And I was like, oh, there's two more houses now. It's three houses. Like, oh, and now it's not 900 plants jump to like 3,500 plants.

You know what I'm sorry? It was like 2,400 plants. Then there was another article, and now it's 4,000 plants. And it just kept growing. I was like, I was like, man, this is getting, like I could see the dominoes kind of bop, bop, bop, bop, you know, falling. Yeah, you could read the articles and realize it's getting worse. Like, I don't know what's happening, but whoever's involved in this, every article,

it's got to be like, oh, man, this is bad. This is bad. It's only getting worse. It is, bro. So they hit all those houses. I have a quite, so did you, so you were a group, like there were other. the other people that you were buying from, did those houses get hit, too?

Yeah, they do. How many houses total? I think it was like 13. Yo, man, you see what happened. You see the domino effects what it brought us down because maybe one guy. What are you thinking

like my fucking family so ain't about me? Be like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Because I brought an outsider and did that. So you think if it was, it was the Vietnamese community,

they would have just taken the charge and gone for a year, just taking it. I don't even know. No, it's not, I mean, it was just, they're blamed me because they say, because you brought in the guy. Yeah. Yeah.

It could have been anybody. But they don't, I mean, they don't see that, they don't see like that. They say it's like, they want to blame, point a finger of somebody. Yeah, yeah. And I was a fucking guy to blame for it. That was it. It's, I get a lot of people who are always like, well, do you think, I have, especially had a comment, Colby, I had a comment from a guy in one of the guys they were asking questions.

They're like, do you think if you had never gotten involved with that, with these girls, you would have gotten busted. And I was like, yeah, eventually I would have gotten busted. You've got, you've got 50 to 100,000 law enforcement officers looking for this or looking for drugs or I'm number one in the secret service. The FBI's looking for me, too, and the U.S. Marshals. Like, I'm a sharp guy, but I'm not that sharp. Like, eventually I'm going to get caught.

You know, if it hadn't been those chicks, it would have been six months later. Look, it was almost multiple times before that that I almost got caught. Like, I was bound to fuck up. You know, if it wasn't, if it wasn't, you know, Kevin getting busted, it was going to be somebody. Yeah. Something was going to happen. Somebody would have got pulled over. Some drug dealer would have said, okay, they would have got busted.

You would have shown up to drop off some drugs. He would have worn a wire. You know, they would have followed you. They were going to, it's all going to come down at some point. You know, these organizations. they always end up falling apart at some point. So to start pointing, that's the guy. Okay, well, if it wasn't him,

if you weren't pointing at him, you'd be pointing at this guy two months later, or this guy six months later, or this guy a year later, it's going to come down. Yeah. You just, it's just not, the systems, look, they're just too good. Like, they really are.

They got the surveillance. They've got everything. They know what they're doing. They do, man. It's you and 10 other guys working against 100,000 cops with an, inexhaustible budget. I mean, you can't expect them.

You can't win. Right. So, yeah. So, so, so you were, where were you when you heard that these places start getting busted? Like, were you still free? Oh, no, you said they grabbed you, they brought you to the one play, right? Um, the grab, yeah. How many houses got busted before they grabbed you?

That's what I'm wondering. One house. Oh, just, just one house? It's Kevin's house. And then one, and then they pulled you over and grabbed you. Yep. And after that two miles of house got busted. it. Okay. And then the other

after that, the other houses and the whole thing got up. But I was the first one. Right. My, that's why like you're right, man. No matter what's going to happen. No matter what, because we had a good run all them years. We got like a six, seven, eight years run. You know what I'm saying? Well, it's just like you, like you were just saying

that you were like, you know, because you had gotten away, like you got that one charge and it was minor and you become and that's what happened with me. I become arrogant and boldened. Yeah. You start feeling like I'm invincible. Like, this isn't a big deal. And this.

Yes, sir. Same thing. My first charge I ever got, it was like, I got three years probation. I'm good. What are they going to do? Catch me and give me 26 years. That's never going to happen.

Right. Oh, yeah. Get smart. They're going, they're going to fuck you up. You know, it's, it's,

I always think if I had initially when I got arrested, if I had gotten more time, if I actually had to go to prison, maybe it would have smartened me up. But so when you got, did get grabbed. you ever get out on bond? Yeah, I was out on bond.

Yeah, well, State, that's why I laugh. Oh, State. That's why I laughed. I was like, you guys can't get me. Fucking State. I didn't know what Fett was. So I was like, State, I beat State. I shit on the state.

That's why I thought. I was like, State. So I was out on Bunn. I was like, I got one of my days, you know. And then when the Fets came in the next day, I was like, the next day? Yeah. I know guys that literally have gotten out on Bond from the state

and they're walking out of the courthouse. And the feds grab them. Yeah. Like they'll let you put up like $50 or $100,000 or $200,000 and then arrest you walking out of the courthouse. I couldn't believe it. Wait, is that what happened to you? Or you said the next day, the next day.

The next day. He at least went home. Well, the next day at 6 p.m. they went with my house. I was, I was, they're like dressed normal. And I'm just like, what the fuck? And they're like, they didn't let me go inside the house. Nothing. You know, they didn't let me anything.

Go over there grabbed me and just took me to go and that was it. who who was it was it I know but was it like DEA FBI I think it was DEA or some shit like that or FBI Wanda those fuckers yeah I don't know it was they're normal

they look normal and it was intimidating and shit so they're like yo you know here I am right I never done fucking state prison county yeah yeah I'm going to the big boys so how

so you were so they grabbed you mm-hmm how they grabbed anybody else um to grab me first right you know but after they grabbed me I

yeah I think they grabbed my my partner from Canada and without a guy to watch his house in Canada yeah well no no oh and so he yeah he was in Nebraska yeah I call he's my partner

but he's kind of like an older because I'll call him like uncle right you know and got him too But he didn't But he was smart He went back to Canada So I never really got him They're Canadians

Yeah Canadian citizens Oh okay So all those Canadian motherfuckers Went back home So they didn't really got nothing Okay Yeah So here I am

Like I was charged with Like leader conspiracy And all that bullshit I'm like what They charged me all this And they're like What do this? We're going to do this I'm just like fuck me

So how What So you got out out, you got grabbed, picked up, throwing the U.S. Marshals holdover, right? How long, did you, and did you get a public defender? Because I'm pretty sure they took your money. Yeah. They started seizing everything.

You can't prove, you can't prove you got, well, you can't really, maybe you could prove. Yeah, you can't really prove you have any legitimate money. The businesses are being used to launder money. They say like, oh. They say we wash your shop. you don't make no fucking money there right we know it it's bullshit can't get a private attorney they they're public defender they got they're good they good they good they good you know I mean to lose some like that they're good but uh yeah so here I am you know and I was facing

10 of life plus a bullshit fucking charge of a leader conspirator will leader participants It's a bullshit. Like, I was, they're making, I was like this big dude, which I'm not. Motherfuck, I was growing weed to support my fucking kid. You know what I? Leader organizer? Yeah, there's a leader of the participant of legal organizer, some bullshit. Okay.

Yeah, conspiracies. I don't fucking. Are they trying to hit you with all the houses? Yeah. They're trying to say, yeah. They try to hit me with all the houses already. So that's how I ended up. I started with tenant life.

Right. what's your what's your uh your public defender telling you did you even think about going to trial or you're thinking just try and cut as good of a plea as i can i was thinking going to trial that would have been a mistake that would that would have been a mistake i think they'll hit him like 25 years oh yeah yeah we wouldn't be talking um so i have a question is um what what did you think when the public defender said you're looking at like a minimum of like, you're looking at 10 years, minimum. If everything goes right, you're looking at least 10 years.

What did you think? The first thing is, fuck, I'm not going to see my mom until I'm not going to see her last fucking day. That's the first thing I always brought my mind. Fuck, my mom's not going to see me no more. It's funny how when you're facing that, how suddenly everything becomes, like, all those things you took for granted suddenly become important. It's like, fuck, like all these, it's, it's, yeah, it's not until like you, it's, you know,

it's like, it's not until you lose every, that you realize what was really important. Yeah. Like I bet the one thing you didn't think about was what, oh, I'm not going to be able to drive my Ferrari again. Like you could care less about that. No. Like all that stuff.

Like when it happened to me, when it happened. I mean, my first thought was not, man, I'm not going to be able to drive my Audi or see my girlfriend or, you know, all those things that I was stealing that money for. I didn't care about any of that. My first thought was like my mom, my son, my, you know, all that you know but when you're out there I wasn't thinking about it yeah for some reason you're right bro just like that works I was like man I'm not gonna see my mom to like fuck she's gonna die and I know she's gonna die before I get out so fuck fuck fucks me up you know

and uh well fucks me up even more is when my wife divorced me I didn't give a fuck a lot of money anything uh she divorced me like my lowest moment in my life and she I got this divorced letter you know so I was like I took it All right. So you're looking at 10 years. Correct. Right. So your buddy, sorry. So Kevin, I mean, Kevin's already rolling over on you. Is everybody, is everybody starting to roll over on each other? Like, people are starting to be arrested. The whole, like the dominoes are falling. Like, what happens with your lawyer? At what point, you're looking at 10 years minimum. You're thinking about, you said, you told me earlier you were thinking about going to trial. Correct. Like, obviously. It would have been a horrible idea. But because the fact is in the feds, like, you know this. And the feds, they just get two people to say it. You don't have, they don't have to be pictures, nothing.

They can get like one or two guys to just sit on the stand and say he was involved, he was running it. And the jury will convict because the jury thinks, well, the government wouldn't lie. And immediately you could end up with a life sentence. So you're already looking at 10 years to, was it life? Yes, 10 of life. So what ended up happening? What was, what did your lawyer say? Like, everybody's rolling over on each other.

Like, at what point did you say, like, what did you decide to do? Well, I didn't really decide to do anything, but I was thinking about going to trial because I didn't really get cut physical, got caught in the house. Right. I was just, like, driving. It was just like, it was just like, it was just like guy was saying, yeah, that was a guy worked for. Kevin's pointing out that he worked for me.

So that was it. You know what I'm saying? And they say when they caught me, they found like some fucking tape and some cleaning supplies. So they know I was going there, and they also saw my garage thing. So that's why I had to link me up to that house

that I was going. Right. So now it doesn't It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter, yeah. And everybody always thinks that, especially in the federal system, they always think, well, they didn't catch me with the drugs. It doesn't matter. I was done. They got me, and that was it. Yeah, you're watching too much law and order. If that's what you think

You're watching too much more Yeah, man That's not how it works So I'm done To give me two choices Roll over Or fucking Take the plea

I'll go to trial What was the plea The plea was like 10 Right You know Go to trial Go get more No matter what

I'm starting at 10 years That's no matter what If you went to trial You get life Yeah 10 10 to life And the bottom number Is 10

Yeah And you got in the fed You got to do it fucking yeah there's a mandatory minimum of 10 years and you know i'm you can't get less than that yeah and you know maybe through like some good like to like a halfway house or some bullshit drug they took up like year or some bullshit like that you still got to do like almost like 10 years no matter what you know you can that yeah there's no there's no parole i was love to guys like can't you get parole there's no parole so there's no federal parole there's you get a little

bit of time off for for good time like 15% off like that's it that's if everything goes right that's if you don't lose any gain time guys lose gain time for everything anytime you get in trouble they take away 50 days 40 days you just lost 25 days you just like very few people get all of their good time right so anyway so yeah you're looking at 10 years yeah i was looking at 10 years and um and uh that time when i lost everything uh maybe the first picture i thought was my mom and i'm not going to see my mom no more and uh you know that it's kind of like it fucked you up like you know should i snitcher should i cross a fucking line should i do this should i do that i got my fucking balls like like what are my plans what are my options

where are my choices and uh you know and there's like there's like there's like there's loyalty and there's also there's hey I have a fucking life and this and that so how do you choose between loyalty and having you know have having your life you you I'm saying because everybody's guilty or you know we all do you know Aaron was guilty because he know what I was doing Kevin know I was doing we all guilty we just don't fucking admit shit you know and I was like I was thinking like you know and the cups are pressing me hard the feds just like, you know, we're going to hit your lead of participant, money laundering, and all this fucking charges.

I had like, bro, what the fuck, man? You know, and my court, all my lawyer was I ever deal was like, just fucking, I don't know, kids, just take the fucking plea. To give you this how it is in the feds. You know, we've got how much time it is, and just take it, take it, take it. And then I was like, no matter what, I'm getting 120 fucking months. You know, and I think I was young and I, like, I didn't, what kills me the most is, like, I didn't went down for some shit.

that I did, like I got caught with. This is Kevin. He snitch on me. So that was my self-defense, like, justifications. Yeah. So I was like, yeah, like, oh, yeah. You know, I was like, that I'm all fucking snitch on me

and this, why should I go down like that? So that's why I dragged Aaron down? Because Aaron's the one to introduce Kevin to me and say he was good for it. I trust this motherfucker. He ended around snitching fucking took my whole fucking family down. So I was so fucking pissed. I thought about that.

So maybe that was my way out or whatever it is. Right. So I ended rolling on Aaron. You know, it's fucked up. It's fucked up. I was fucking crying and try because that's my friend. But he was cooperating too, right? No, he...

Oh, he went to trial? Yeah. But then, like, it was so fucked up that, but he only got like 10 years. So he's out right now already. You know, but what fucked up is, like, I never lived that life. I was like telling somebody.

I live in a fucking, you know, that hood live. You don't tell shit shit. But when everything is taking, you know, your finance away from you, families away from you, every fucking thing's away from you. And, you know, you always want to look for somebody to blame or whatever it is. So I kind of like, you know, I blame Aaron why he introduced me to Kevin did all that, that. But in reality, years later, when, you know, right now, I'm thinking, man, you know what I'm saying? like I'm sorry

like you know the game played like that that's how you know sometime that's how it is you know like we all fucking guilty of what we do so I feel bad that I told on him but

did Kevin tell on him did Kevin cooperate against him yeah Kevin cooperate and Kevin's need to me fair so right yeah so Kevin Aaron there were also your family members ended up getting jammed up right so there's a bunch of people they got ended up getting correct okay well so what did how much time did you end up getting well the Cups all to worry about the feds the main feds uh fucking officer what the fucking name is um he wondered well how I did

this organization how I how I did it and he wants to know like how they were able to steal all his power because they don't know that so they don't want my piece that's why like I got a reduced sentence because of that, too, because I told them myself, that's why I was able to walk in my yard, the yard. People, like, you cannot really walk in it, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so that's how I was like, I told myself, too. Right.

You know what I'm saying? They asked how you did it. And you explained how you rigged the, uh, the power, the power thing. Yeah, and everything else. So, and, um, I end up serving. I think it was like four years, too much. or four years, five months, instead of 10 years. When you say four years, how much are you including your halfway house?

That's including everything. I didn't get a halfway house. You didn't get halfway house? I didn't get none of that. I thought I was getting deported because, you know, like, I used to be, I didn't have a, I'm an American citizen. So I thought I was getting deported. And I'm American citizen now.

Fuck, yeah. Right. I won, you know. But I thought I was going to get deported. So as soon as it released me, I thought that. immigration kind of picked me up and deport me because I... Holy shit, that would have sucked.

Yeah, bro. So think about like all the shit I went through. So, you know, when I get out, prison, I was like, I didn't know where I should go. And since I'm an introvert, prison was kind of cool because I'm really fucking, I could deal by myself. I'm really...

You know what I'm saying? Right. So it wasn't out bad, you know, my mind. Yeah, I used to, yeah, I was the same way. Like, I just want to be able to read and walk the yard. You know, walk the, you know, walk laps and work out and just I want to eat my meals and be I want to be left alone like I don't want to I'm not here to to hang out and play softball and and and make make a bunch of friends and

stuff like it's not you know I had very I had a very small group of guys I talked to yeah very few I knew some guys that were like social butterflies like they they were like hey timmy john bob what's up hey we're all getting together like they're on they're playing softball they're on two softball teams they're playing in handball competitions they're going to they're uh they're in the uh culinary arts classes they're taking ace courses like what the hell like these guys are like it's like college for them they loving it yeah yeah not i wasn't i just i just wrote yeah man so my story's a little different that's why my shot caller uh i could walk around a yard and be like that because it wasn't like

I crossed boundary but it wasn't like it wasn't like I did it myself it was like somebody you know what I'm saying so that's what I was able to do like I just walked a yard and they just

you know where'd you get sent yeah I'm in Illinois so you know that time it was it was good you know I mean I went through all that bullshit I'm glad

the trial was over all this bullshit was over Now, you know, I got a few years I want to do. And so I don't know when I get out. So one day, I just get a phone call for my lawyer, but like, hey, you know, we just set it out with the judge. You're going to be released. And I'm like, what?

What do you mean? Like, yeah, everything is done. You got your cut, whatever it is. You know what I'm saying? So that day, like two days later after a phone call. So you got 10 years. Yeah. How long before you got your sentence reduced?

four years and some chain four years and three months oh jesus my god that's a long time yeah well they come me right away then just fucking they just kicked me off the prison so that's why like i was prepared well what most people don't realize is so i think if you're someone who's watching they're like okay so you actually like you'll get sentenced so you got 10 years you're doing 10 years right and then you have to wait so you cooperated but you have to wait for the government to file something to reduce your sentence. So a lot of times they might never file it. Like you might you might cooperate, help them out, do everything you need to do that they ask you to. And they go, eh, we disagree. It didn't really help us. And then that was what happened in my case. Right.

Like I cooperated twice. And both times they tried to not give me anything. Yeah. But so you've done four years and then one day you get a call from your lawyer saying they're cutting your sentence. Yeah. Okay. So and yeah. And because that could have never come. No, I didn't. I was like I was a And the thing It was I was adapting to prison life Right I was adapting I had my own hustle

I was slaying serious I bought a year And this dude I was just you know I was like I was a compound yard pick trash picker So I was going to like

Dorn or dorm But like yo You know what I'm serious And I was picking up Chew's from the cops You know what I'm saying Like let's be chews out I picked them all

I said out to this motherfucker I was like I have Yo yo yo this prison shit All right Yeah Yeah It's a whole thing Yeah

Yeah the cops will throw the cigarettes down, you pick up the cigarette butts, and then they'll break up little bits and then because you were saying, a book. $7, bro. Yeah, $7. They'll pay ridiculous money,

ridiculous money for, yeah. Yeah, Matt. Good stuff, good stuff. Yeah. Oh, there's so many hustles. Guys will fold clothes, guys will wash clothes, guys will make people's food, guys will make your bed,

guys will clean your rooms, guys will, there's just tons of, they cut hair. The barber's in, in prison, cut better hair than the guys out here cut. Correct. And better than the barbers at the barbers shop who had the actual correct tools would cut. I mean, there's a ton of just different hustles.

Like, I taught the ace course. Oh, yeah? Like, I taught the real estate course and I sold certificates. Nice. So you don't have to, like, you know, they want you, the, your counselors want you to get certificates. You get for certificates and then they'll recommend you supposedly for more halfway house

if you get certificates and we want you to constantly be taking an ace course well guys don't want to take an ace course they don't want to take the fucking real estate course they don't want to take so they'd come and some of the guys are like look I don't want to learn how to do real estate

like I'm getting out to sell drugs again like they're like I just need the certificate so I can get more halfway house and so they come to me and say great give me two coffees and two creamers I'll fill out all the tests I'll put down that you came to every class you'll get your certificate

and so you'd always have five or ten guys so I've always had tons of coffee and creamers crammed into my in my locker so I've never had to pay for a coffee creamer yeah man that's a thing man

yeah the guys draw they draw portraits like there's some great artists some dude mc purses and stuff too I sent my daughter like some purses bro yeah

wallets too wallets it all kind of leather crap wallets was real real lizard bro real lizard bro real lizard skin like gators and all that so I always love the old gangsters

like there's some old gangster who's like 60 years old who's like been in state prison and murdered three people and he's he's got a life sentence for for selling coke or crack or something and they'll be sitting there knitting like they're old schoolers yep knitting like a like a teddy bear for some guy's daughter it's like what's going on there crocheting crochet oh man you know ridiculous yeah man you see some hardcore guys so so so you were in so you were in prison and one day you get the phone call and boom how long before, after that call for you to be, two days?

Did you think you were going to ICE? I thought I was, I thought immigration is going to pick me up because I'm an immigrant, and you're immigrations. You got a felony to deport you. Right. So that's what happened. I thought I was going to get deported. So, and I wish I didn't, thank God.

So when I get out, I don't know where to go. I'm going to send me back to Nebraska because that's where my case said. And I was like, shit. So I have no family I got an ex-wife live in Nebraska And I just basically I don't

You know what I was there Everybody moved So I'm like fuck So The minute when I got up the bus I was like Yo I think I'd rather stay in prison You know

And then I called my ex-wife Up and she was nice enough To give me the basement I live in the basement I'm an ex-wife's house Fucking embarrassment What is what it is I just got done telling you

Almost 18 months for I think 16 months, I stayed in my ex-girlfriend's spare room. Her son had to move out of his room with her husband. Her and her husband and her two kids, and I moved in there 14 months. And listen, when I left, none of them wanted me to leave. I'm doing all the odd jobs that the husband doesn't want to do. The two kids love me. Like they still text me to.

I got a text yesterday from one of them. And they text me all the time. They call me. Like we were, but that was 14 months later. The first month or two, horrible. Embarrassing, you're just, it's humiliating. It's an, oh, it's got to be, it's the worst. It is worse.

So, uh, luckily, I still have my old car. Uh, it's, uh, 90. The Ferrari? No, uh, yeah, the Maroon. You didn't have the Ferrari? No, I know. I left that. It was my sister's car.

So it's under my sister. I gave it to my sister. It was like her, but I never delivered a goddamn car because. I got busted. Right. So a brother ended up driving. This car was like

Apple candy red, you know, like you. Yeah, you know, it was sick. And it was like I had TV

and systems. But I was before, like I went to prison. Well, I got out of prison, I was like, this motherfucker like shit.

And it'll start. So I'm like, oh man, I would have to go like try to fix his motherfucker up. So now I got a car,

a piece of shit car that I'm embarrassed. Drives. Right. And he drives. You know what I'm saying? And, And I was like, I was working for DaVinci's, deliver pizza,

and then after that at nighttime, I was a bouncer for a black club, right? Fuck, dude. A black club, imagine me being a bouncer, you know, be like shooting shit, motherfuckings got beat up, and just, it's a hood, bro. It's a hood club, right? You know what I'm saying? And one day, one day I just kind of like talk to my pen pal, which I'm currently married to right now.

She's my wife. We have a 40-year-old son together. So while you were in prison, there's like pen pal services, right? Was it a service? No, it was like, I know on her like way back and we're just friends. Oh, okay. So you started writing this, just a chick that you did, you knew pretty. So you started writing her.

Okay. Yeah. And when I came out, I went over in Massachusetts and I started working as an instruction guy. And that's it And after that I found out my company Tough Hands Tough Hands Glove.com So you've married the girl

Yes You have another son Yes So now you have two boys And you started And at the same time You started a company Because you were working construction

Correct And you started a company That designs gloves That are like Cut resistant gloves Okay Because I worked for a select demo, and I was a labor. And I look at the gloves, it was kind of, I didn't like how the glove is.

So I just wanted to create a own product. But I was inspired by the president of the company. He's a young kid's named after Denver. He's a high school dropout. What happened is now he owns like nine companies. I was inspired. You know, I lost my fire after prison. I just want to be a regular fucking guy, get my, you know, go to work 40 hours a week and just be like that.

But when I met that guy, I was like, he did what? What inspired me to be, that driven again, that fire again? So, you know, after that, I work at a union for demolitions. And in the morning, I said, I cut resistant gloves, too. So I was involved more stuff now than before because of that. So, okay, so you design the gloves. Correct. And you have them manufactured?

Yes. So I make the gloves I designed the gloves And I had it made overseas And sent over here Tough hands T-U-F-F-H-A-N-D-S Tough hands

Because Like, it's cold tough hands Because, you know Guys like us get out of prison With felons We can't We have no options And we have to work our way up again

Just to be normal Like everyone fucking else All right So I lie You know everything's fucking tough for us That's why I call tough hands Like with these fucking tough hands I build my fucking empire again

shit like that right is a thing that you know so I trademark that I own that brand right all right and you're and you're

and you're yeah you said you told me earlier you were selling you sold in the construction companies and the demolition companies and the just

different companies that have basically you wear gloves this is funny because you know that in Coleman they made all the guards

had to buy glove they made gloves that were like cut resistant because of cut and oh and puncture resistance. No way. Yeah. And there was a whole thing. It was on the news because the guards wanted the gloves.

They wanted the prison to pay for it. They didn't want to pay for it. And the guards complained and they were like, oh, it puts them in danger. They like, what if they get attacked? What somebody's got a knife? So they put a hand in somebody's pocket and the person has like a needle and stuff. So they ended up making the, the, making them buy those gloves. Interesting. Thank you. So you might want to think about going to different states. The feds are obviously taken care of. Maybe the states might want to contact the states and say,

hey, these are cut resistant. Something to figure out. Anyway, yeah. Yeah, so you live with your wife and your kid? Yeah. Everything's back to normal nowadays. I got married by the house, live with my kid, have a decent life.

Everything's, like, I'm a normal. It's pretty normal. Life is pretty normal. nowadays you know um it's not about bad like uh I mean sometime when a reminisce about a past it fucks me up a little bit but I just try to be like go through it every day but it still hunts me at night going through like my case and the years and this and that I have no regrets just no fucking regress or you know whatever happens it happens because at the end of the day I have a beautiful

son now mm-hmm so I have no I'll do it again. How long have you been out? I've been out like five years, I think. Okay. Five years or something. All right. So...

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