Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Most Hated Man on the Internet | RDAP Dan

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

The Most Hated Man on the Internet | RDAP Dan

I've never seen anybody fake it through Ardap the way Hunter did and not take anything away from it. I strongly believe to this day, and if Hunter's watching this, to this day, I still think Hunter deep down wishes he never did any of the stuff that he did, but he's so afraid to openly say it to the public that he'd rather die on a sinking fucking ship other than to openly say, I fucked up, what can I do to make amends on this? Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Dan Wise, and we are going to be talking about Hunter Moore, the most hated man on the internet. Yes, yeah, that's him, right? Which is a documentary that came out on Netflix, and Dan, if Dan is going to explain how he knows, he actually knows Hunter Moore, and I've watched the documentary, and he's going to explain. basically how he he ended up representing him in a way strong strong statement there in a way representing him for what do we it's not you're not like a prison consultant prison consultant okay I was gonna say I was gonna say like a sentencing

advocate but whatever whatever so same thing yeah it sounds good see the way I sentencing expert okay yeah because I've been sitting this few times that's why so anyway we're gonna talk about that and has an interesting story revolving around uh around hunter and uh the documentary which is uh it's it's on Netflix and it's actually it's a really good documentary super interesting and uh yeah so so you so first we mean like like we have to assume that nobody nobody knows who you are because you know i got a small channel well i was going to say because nobody watches my videos yeah yeah I feel your pain.

But, so you do prison consulting, you know, you were, you were indicted on a, basically a pill mill indictment. You went to prison. You got out. You went through ARDAP, the drug program. Yep. We were both there at the same time at Coleman, the Coleman Low at the Coleman Complex in. Coleman, Florida. Yeah, in Florida.

Out of Seattle, Ocala. But I actually didn't know you at that time. I do remember you showing up and hearing about how you showed up, which is. in another video, which is hilarious. So, but you got out and you said, hey, I need to, you put together the prison consulting and said, I'm going to start, I'm going to do this for a living. And you would explain that.

We talked about that in the other video. But one of your first, I guess you said, well, he's not really a client, but one of the first semi-clients, whatever, was Hunter Moore. So how did you end up coming across him? And what happened there? How did that happen? So when I got released from prison, I went to Washington State where I moved there to be near Shelly.

And I had this little office and I really wasn't doing prison consulting yet. I was just kind of making YouTube videos. So right before I went to prison, I posted a video on YouTube talking about all the shit I went through and getting ready to go to prison, didn't know what to expect. So when I came home, that video had a lot of traffic and a lot of questions for people getting ready to go to prison. So prison consulting was never really something I thought of. I just thought it would be interesting to make response videos to all these people, concerns about getting ready to go to prison, what was it like, what should I have done, and making this content, and I'm constantly getting these emails and these text messages,

and I didn't know, at the time, I didn't know it was Hunter. He had a handle, an email handle. It was called the Fish Scale, which I didn't even know what that meant at the time, because the fish, I guess Fish Scales is, is street slang for cocaine. So Hunter Moore was a big cocaine endeavor. I dove in deep into the cocaine. evidently and that was his name so for weeks he's emailing me and texting me through like WhatsApp or something as that fish scale never told me his name asking all kinds of questions and

whatnot and I'm answering the questions because I wasn't charging anybody anything at this point right so he's getting closer and closer and he got sentenced to I think it was like 30 some on months he got sentenced to and he's asking me about RDAP what can you do to get an RDAP and I said dude without knowing more about your case like I have no idea right and he said hey, I'm going to, I'm going to give you my name, but I ask you, please don't look me up. Right. Don't do anything. Yeah, don't do anything I would do.

Don't Google me. Yeah, don't put me on a website. Right. Post all of my text messages. But when he said, don't look my name up, I just automatically assumed maybe he was a sex offender and he didn't want me to, you know, because that's something a sex offender would say. Like, why did he give you your name? Yep.

But not how was. He wanted me to look him up on Pacer, but he didn't want me to Google and read any of the stories that were out there about him. So as soon as he gave me his name, of course, the first thing I did was look him up. And there was all these articles on him, Revenge Porn King, Hunter Moore. Basically, he had a website called Is Anyone Up? Right. And he was posting, well, evidently guys and girls that had photos and pictures and videos

of each other, like let's say you and your girlfriend took a, you know, sex video or whatever. right and you guys break up you break up you upload that video to is anyone up and is anyone up has a ton of traffic where they see all this content right which at this time that wasn't illegal to do that right so hunter said that there was a hacker that was out there that was hacking people's photos and uploading them to the site and he was getting blamed for it but it wasn't him right he had nothing to do with it had nothing to do with it and then his mother called me and his mother sweet woman And I really believed it, but then when I went to look it up in PACER, the case was sealed. You couldn't see anything in PACER.

Very limited to what you could see. The indictment was sealed. Plea agreement was sealed. Anything that had any relevance to the actual content, context of the crime was sealed. Most of the people I speak to, and you know this from going through what you went through. There's always a level of what really happened, what you say what happened, and what you played guilty to. Right. So I did believe there was a level of.

He didn't do everything they said he did, but he played guilty to minimize how much time he was looking at. There's really only one way through the feds and he's taking a guilty plea. So I started helping him working with him. And I basically stuck with him the entire time he was in prison, helped him get into Ardap, helped him shorten his sentence. He seemed like a nice guy. Like when I talk to him on the phone, he wasn't this person that you would see on the videos. On videos like this like boyish dick. Yeah, yeah, super.

arrogant, just over the top, like a misogynistic, like, you know, a child. Yeah, yeah, he acts like a fat boy. Like, I was going to say like a 12 or 13 year old boy who just does and says things that he thinks are going to be cool. Now, to his defense, he was not, not that it's a reason, but he was in his early 20s at this point when all this took place. But now he's in his late 30s, so he's not in his 20s anymore. But he still behaves like this.

He still behaves the same way. But, yeah. So that's how my, that's how I initially meant. the notorious one or more so so like i watched the video and it turns out that you know when you watch the documentary you know it turns out that there it he actually specifically knew who the hacker was and was telling the hacker to hack into people's stuff right and the hacker had a a like a whole scheme where he would go on social media and then he would hit you up and say hey you're from Facebook, you know, here's your Facebook account, here's who you are, we need

you to, like, your account was hacked or... Well, no, what he would do is he would hack one person's account, and then once you would get, let's say you hacked your account, gets access to Matt's account. Now he has your, he's controlling your Facebook account, sends me a message as you saying, hey, Dan, I locked myself out of my Facebook account, or I locked myself out of my phone, and I have to reset my passwords. Can I send a text message to your phone? Right.

So you think it's me, right? Or I think you're helping me out. But the truth is, you're actually giving him the passcode to hack into your account. Yes. So then what would happen immediately is I would get this text. I'd give it to you. You'd now take control of my Facebook. You'd go in, change the password.

And of course, immediately I figure this out because I can't get into my own Facebook. So I'd go reset it and put it back to normal. But what I didn't know was inside Facebook, you have your recovery email address, and then there's a backup recovery email address. So he would only change the backup recovery email address to the hacker's email. So all these people who got hacked, that's how he ended up ultimately getting brought down was when the Fed started looking into it, all these people's Facebooks that got hacked, the secondary email address was the same email address.

This idiot used the same one. So, you know, just because he's a hacker doesn't mean he's fucking intelligent. Right. And Hunter claimed he had no idea that this was happening, which evidently we come to find out later on down the road that he did. Yeah, there's all these text messages and emails and it's just back and forth between him and the guy. And he's telling the guy, like, I don't care. I'll pay you. How much do you want?

Like, he's getting him to do this. And he's paying him for the photos and videos that he's downloading. You know, it was a real hard interview to do because when he first came home from prison, when he was on probation, I did an interview with him a few years ago through Skype. And it wasn't a bad interview. He was still on probation. So he was kind of walking on eggshells. He wasn't really playing the the thug role that he's playing today. So when Netflix released this documentary, the most hated man on the internet, he was supposed to be on it.

And he basically backed out at the last minute. I think he realized there was there was no way to put a good spin on it. There's no way. Because unless there's some innocence to it, but when your hand is that caught in the cookie jar, there's really no way you just make yourself look more foolish i think the only real way like like look first one the only there is a way the only way to really you know overcome that is to say hey you know this is what i did and lean into it and say you know it was you know when they say well you did this and this and you go absolutely i i did that you know and then even say sometimes even go further and say no listen

and I also did this and this and truly just take responsibility. The problem is the only people that are willing to do that are people that actually have changed. Anybody who hasn't changed and who doesn't really truly see that what they did was wrong, then those people immediately try and start, you know, well, you have to understand. And they immediately start coming up with all of these excuses. I mean, like, I find that if you just lean into it and own up to it, then people realize, they'll realize that you've changed or that you've, you're accepting responsibility. And people will stand up for you and say, hey, look, you know, he's, he's not a bad guy. He made some mistakes.

He's changed. That sort of thing. But Hunter didn't do that at all. No. Like, even when he tried, you were like. You know, it seems like it really came down to. he's got a um what's it called it's a it's a form that he he created a little platform um what's a shit called where uh discord are familiar with discords yeah so he's got on uh on discord

he's got uh his own little following of of hevens on there and do nothing but pump him up yeah and it's all a bunch of like real scummy stuff you know it's still demonizing women and just bashing people and making fun of fat people and stuff like that. And it seems like he's more concerned with being the leader of that group of misfits than taking any kind of responsibility because he really is in a good position if you were to own what he did. You kind of think of like, I'm a prison consultant. And one of the reasons why people trust me and hire me is because I've been through it.

Right. And I'm able to now advocate for another side. If he took responsibility and said, hey, I was a bully, I was doing these things, I was paying a hacker to do these horrible things and destroy lives. Because not only was he getting these stolen images and stolen photos put on, is anyone up, he was also then attaching their social media to it. He would attach their Facebook pages and you would attach their names and their addresses. Right. I was going to say it progressive, because I remember watching the video, it progressively got worse. and like every time something happened he was like before he was putting their social media and then

they came after him and then he was like okay well now I'm going to put your address you know what I'm saying like you got your phone number your ad like it just kept getting worse and worse there was girls that tried to commit suicide there was a teacher that you know had sent a picture to somebody her boyfriend or whatever right behind closed door she thought and the picture got out there and not only did the picture get posted her name and her address and all her social media handles So she's fired? She got fired, you know, of course. I mean, and you can't.

And I saw his responsibility. His whole thing was he was like, well, she fucked up. She shouldn't have sent that. But she sent that to somebody that she was in a relationship with that she trusted. Well, she shouldn't have trusted him. Right. And it was just like, like, you're not. You're just a dick.

Right, right. Like, come on, bro. Like, you know, she sent that photo. Like, this is a person who has, who has a career who's worked very hard for that and sent this to somebody that she felt confident would never betray her trust. Right. And either that person became, was a jerk off or worse, you had someone hack into hers or their, or their computer and stole it and then blamed it on her.

You know, it's crazy in one of the clips that you guys have that I sent you, one of the things that Hunter Moore spoke about was, I don't know if I got the guy's name, the actual hacker, his co-defendant. Hunter tried to say the co-defendant was the leader and Hunter was part his conspiracy. So Hunter is trying to say that this guy was the target and he was on his conspiracy. But if anybody that knows anything about legal documents and looking at PACER and looking at indictments, when there's a conspiracy with several individuals on there, the first name on the indictment is the target normally. So Hunter is listed first and then the, I'm trying to see if we got the other guy's name on here. It's in one of the videos. Anyway. Well, it's on it's on the, it's on

the it's on the Netflix it's on it's on the videos that you know maybe you can share some of the links to the interviews we did with them and all those information's there as well and when I asked Hunter when I mentioned the guy's name he goes you know I forgot the guy's name until you just brought it up because I don't know the guy I never met the guy that's kind of like me saying okay technically I never met Hunter you know we never sat down like this so technically I don't know you either honor but you send all the emails so when I did the first interview with him this was the the documents were still sealed not the first one i'm sorry the more recent one after the netflix series came out i did the interview with them and it was very clear and that

interview i mean i look like a complete scumbag on the interview because it looks like i'm advocating for this guy right and i kind of was because you didn't really know i didn't i didn't know his level of involvement i kind of assumed that like most people to get wrapped up into the feds it's it's a it's a give and take uh i didn't know that he was so embedded into what actually took place in making the choices. So after I did the first interview with him, I got an email from somebody that said, hey, the case is unsealed now. So I went and looked and pacer, and I was able to go review all these documents. And not only did Hunter know that these hacks were taking place, he was directing the guy to open up multiple PayPal accounts using fictitious emails. So he could

pay for it. He could pay him. Yeah. And he was saying, so we don't get caught. He was flat out talking about these things. Even after all of this. If Hunter said, you know what, I get it. He wants to be in the limelight. He needs to feel important. And for him, he'd rather be important to a bunch of maggots than taking the chance of doing the right thing and turning all these people away from him, his little fan club. Right.

But if he would have looked at the bigger picture and his opportunity is now he can say, hey, I've been there. I did this to people. I'm the best person to advocate for this because I know what to look for. Just like when you talk about Catch me if you can. what's his name? Frank Abingdale. Frank Abingdale, you know, he used his gift of check forgery to now help the government

identify check forgery. Right. And Hunter chose not to do that. Hunter chose to stick to his story and keep selling this bullshit lie that he had no idea. Destroyed lives. There's a girl. Did you see the part with Butthole Girl? Oh, yeah.

There's, yeah, there's something, something's not even right with her in general. Right. Clearly, clearly she was mentally unstable. and the whole thing, the way the whole name came about. I don't know if you remember all the details of it. It was because. They paid her to. Well, no, but when they first got her photos, she didn't care.

Her photos were up on the internet. She wanted to make a name for herself, but they used her profile picture on Facebook. And in her profile picture, it was a collage of photos. One of the photos in the background was a picture of her kid. So she said, hey, I don't care if you post my shit. Can you please take that photo down? And Hunter said, no. She said, well, I'll do anything.

I'll do anything. And he goes, well, let me stick a cell phone. phone up your butt and call it and she's like she said okay you know because she wants to get her kid off the yeah yeah she made some bad choices probably drug induced but these are the kind of things that hunter would would well and he kept escalating yes it was never enough right he kept and now she's butthole girl yeah she wanted she wanted to be in porn to some extent yeah but she she didn't want to be buthole girl she didn't want to be known for that and that's all she's ever going to be known for now so the amount of turmoil that that that he had to be in

to consciously do and where he fucked up where he was great as the underground maggot leader because nobody knew who he was under that other than like the underground people when he decided to go publicly on uh was it dr drew oh yeah yeah how did you think let let's listen that's where he went sideways because now you're out into the public yeah and and you don't have people that idolize you these people don't oh my god you're disgusting slime ball and the look on his face when dr drew was asking him some of these questions he's like well i i have you could see it's like wait this isn't going well like i thought i'd be able to spin this and he just it just is falling apart one of one of the things i asked him when i was interviewing him because he would

talk about how he would troll people and he's he's explained i'm asking him can you can you explain to the older generation what trolling is for people who don't know and he explained it and it and i said is there a difference between trolling and bullying right and there really wasn't a difference because he said he wasn't bullying people but really there was no difference and he got trolled Dr. Drew trolled him because Dr. Drew basically said, hey, I want you to come on the show, tell your story. When he got him there, though, it was just like curveball, basically just called him out for what he was doing. And Hunter was thinking he was going to go there and get patted on the back and pumped up for this website he built. He didn't make money either.

He talks about all this money that he made. Hunter's never had money. Hunter's always lived at home with his mom. he's he's he's he's he's a he's a pathetic example of what a man is supposed to be yeah and it was even funnier like his like his mom who's apparently a knight seems like a nice person naive and calling you and begging you and still trying to like no he's a good boy i've got a text message from her on my phone um after i turned on hunter recently she said dan hunter said you turned on him did you really is it true and i i didn't even respond

But Hunter sent me a bunch of messages on my phone while I was live telling me how he's going to come to my house. He's going to come fuck me up. Like, what are you doing? He's not a gangster. He's not a tough guy. In prison, he was one of my friends at Coleman got transferred to the prison in Texas. Yazoo, Yazoo? No, Beaumont.

Beaumont. He went to Beaumont Low to go do Ardap. And he was in, when he got out, he's like, hey, I'm. met one of your, one of your friends in Ardap. This guy, Hunter Moore. He goes, he was real low-key, real quiet, kept to himself. I was like, yeah, that's, that's, whenever I would talk to Hunter on the phone, he's always like, man, I'm so stressed.

He talks about how none of this shit affects him and how he's like, he's rocking his life and living the crypto life and making all this money in crypto. I got the messages on my phone. He was supposed to come here to do an interview with me about the Netflix documentary. Yeah. Bought him a ticket. Everything was set up. The day he was supposed to fly out around.

like midnight my time, which was like 9 o'clock, 10 o'clock, his time, California time. The flight got delayed by 30 minutes. No big deal. I'm like, hey man, text me when you're in the air because there's a layover and I'll, when I wake up in the middle of night, I'll see where you're at, see what time I need to get to the airport and all this stuff. So I wake up at like two in the morning and I see a text going, dude, I don't think I can make it, man. I'm super stressed about this Netflix documentary and I'm just freaking out about it and I don't know what to do and I'm feeling suicidal and I can't handle this I don't know why they're coming after me like this and I'm like now I do I watched the documentary I have a good reason the documentary wasn't out at this point yet

yeah yeah it was like three days before it came out and I'm pissed because I had spent on tickets were kind of expensive at this point it was like almost a thousand dollars for his fucking ticket so I have to decide do I do I like dude do I get pissed or do I try to salvage this right get something out of it. So I get him to agree to do a web interview through like Skype or whatever. And one thing I asked, I'm like, dude, please do me a favor. Let's do the interview still. We'll do it. And he's like, okay, because you wanted to send me the money back. At least he said he did. And I felt like if he would give me the money back, he wouldn't have been obligated. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted the, I wanted the content. Right.

So he agrees to do that. And I say, Hunter, the one thing to ask is set yourself up in a, in a quiet location with a good internet connection. Yeah. He's like, okay, this fucking guy comes on the interview on a cell phone, walking around. I look like he's coked out. Right. You know, it's like watching video with one of the guys, one of the interviews that you just did with a guy that just can't, can't quit the drugs. Yeah.

And it was like, oh, fuck. So we did part one on the interview, which wasn't live. It was pre-recorded. Right. And then part two, I was like, hey, let's do it live. And he came on. We did a live one. And I mean, they weren't great, but then I get the content right after that, that all the things he told me he didn't know about.

I find out he did know about it. Right. And it made me look really bad because it's like, Dan, why would you give this scumbag a platform? Right. And almost like advocate for the shit that he's done. Right, right. Because you're saying, you know, oh. I'm prison reform, bro.

I'm not going to judge somebody on what they did. It's what they do next after they made their mistake. What they do next is what matters. Right. And I was expecting Hunter to take some accountability. I just thought after everything he's been through, he did Ardap, he graduated Ardap, he got the time off. I've never seen anybody fake it through Ardap the way Hunter did and not take anything away from it. I strongly believe to this day, and if Hunter's watching this, to this day, I still think Hunter deep down wishes he never did any of the stuff that he did,

but he's so afraid to openly say it to the public that he'd rather die on a sinking fucking. ship other than to openly say, I fucked up, what can I do to make amends on this? Because he really could help people if he chose to really own it. But I guess he's the definition of a narcissist, I guess. Yeah, I mean, psychopath maybe, Jeffrey Dahmer-ish. I don't. I think Jeffrey Dahmer did better than he did, I think. I think, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer at least lived on his own.

Yeah. I mean, can we compare it, 100 more to Jeffrey Dahmer? I was going to say he had, he had to because. You know, he's keeping body parts in the fridge. Like, even Hunter's mom would be like. Who destroyed more lives, Hunter Moore or Jeffrey Dahmer? Jeffrey Dahmer killed a few people, but Hunter, Hunter Moore destroyed, like, thousands of people's lives.

Man, the, uh, yeah, no, definitely. I, I, what's funny is I'm thinking about that, the girl who all started her mom went after him so bad. Oh, never. Charlotte Laws. I did interview with her. She came on my channel. Oh, yeah. but she never like she's she is she is a narcissist too oh is she it was more about her it just

happened to work to her benefit right right right they wanted her to stop once they got her daughter off the site her daughter and her husband both wanted mom to stop mom wanted to be in the spotlight i remember the lawyer her husband was a lawyer and he was like look keep me out of it yeah he didn't want to help it first then he made a few phone calls look at her past look at look at charlotte law's past even when she was a she was a star stalker she would show up at like political parties and like pop in and get pictures with celebrities she's always wanted to be in that is that in the is that in the is that in the a little bit i see i i watched like a month ago when it first came out if you google charlotte lov and look at her like she didn't

just become big from this she's been in the limelight she wrote books on crashing stars parties she would just show up at like like white tie events or black tie events and you show up at these events and start talking to the celebrities and get pictures with them and then she became known for this like basically if she was a guy she was about a stalker right instead she's yeah yeah she's a cute female getting away with it um in her interview you know i interviewed her and it was just i'm glad she did it because it's is really what brought them down without her the government the cops never they weren't they weren't anything they weren't they weren't and that's just how the cops are we all know especially when it's a federal case feds don't really do any work somebody

kind of hands it to them so he snitches on somebody else and right kind of falls apart from there but it worked out for her because she wanted to stay in the spotlight and she was wealthy she had a rich husband at home so she was the one that when her daughter said she didn't post these pictures to the internet right course everybody thought she did right everybody's like okay of course you didn't do it you know everybody says that so what she did was around the time that her daughter's pictures showed up on is anyone up she looked at all the other girls pictures that showed up at the same time and she individually started reaching out to these girls right and by doing that they found the common denominator of the facebook secondary email and that's

how it got brought down so she did well and she went she went and complained several times and they were they brushed her off until she came back because they were like it's not a crime until she came back and said listen you know 25 of these girls you know did not all get hacked the day before two days before it was when the email address when they saw the same email address and then they went through and they looked and they put it all together and they're like okay now you've got a federal case hacking it is illegal. You want to play the clip? He once got plastic

surgery because he didn't like the photo on his wanted poster. His legend precedes him. The way indictments precede arrests. He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud.

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Is Anyone Up.com. I felt violated. Humiliation. That site was about destroying lives. We would create a website like this. This is Hunter Moore from Is Anyone Up.com. Fucking all your girl. friends.

Hunter Moore, also known as the most hated man on the internet. And his website is anyone up. Me and my friends would just post a bunch of girls and I was like, yo, I can make money out fucking people over. He thought of himself as the king of revenge porn. He made it appear that you would be very successful by being a complete sociopath on the internet. And it pissed me off.

I pleaded with him to please remove these images and the response that I got, LOL. Has there been any individual you just felt sorry for to the point that you take something down? No. It's just too much fun. But the one thing he didn't anticipate was trial laws. He came after my daughter.

He needed to be brought down. If he feels threatened by somebody, he won't let it go. Dude, without bullying, I don't know what I'd do. Hunter had a set of followers who I think would derange. And I felt like they're really coming after me now. He was escalating and escalating. I had one goal, get the site taken down. It's going to get a lot worse.

He was planning something even more dangerous. He didn't expect any accountability. Under, what do you understand? What's all the mouth? There's all the talk. You had the power to ruin someone's life with just one click. I don't know why all these people, you know, hate me. I'm just making money off your nude pictures.

yeah so that was the um anyway i i i watched it i thought it was great but you watch all three episodes yeah three parts whatever you call it but it was like a month ago like the the charlotte long thing like i didn't yeah charlotte laws law what laws which is perfect name for you know the other problem is like you know when i'm watching i'm painting like i'll turn it on and i'm painting yeah but it's interesting though right yeah so sometimes i'll turn and check you know the the the creators of this documentary are the same one i don't know if you ever saw don't fuck with cats no but or the tinder swindler i've heard see i saw the tinder swindler that's the same same people that did that did that did this documentary it's funny the tinder swindler seemed better i mean shot better

produced better. It was. So is, so is don't fuck with cats. Oh, okay. That was way better, too. And this one seemed very much like it was a, a more low budget.

It's because he's a low budget kind of guy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, and then the people you're interviewing, too, the people in the Tender Swindler, like, they had money. Yeah, this is like,

we're going to go interview a strip club owner. Yeah. How, how exciting is it really? It's just smut. It's just trashy smut. It's probably hard to even, even get a decent,

you know, get a decent place. to shoot you know what I'm saying um and God only knows what that person's going to say so but like I'm wondering so this guy's out like what does the guy like this do like based on like I get it you've got a bunch of of fans and they're not real fans right well think first of all those kinds of fans right because let's face it like I have fans you know but you have like different types of people have different types of fans right so you know these are the kind of fans that would love to see him get in trouble again.

Like, they like to watch him crash and burn. Right. Or, or, I was going to say, or if they are somebody who likes him and likes to see him trash people, those aren't typically the kind of people that are going to join your Patreon and pay $50 a month. Like, they're not, these are the guys that, you know, they, they're, they live with, with their mom, they spend all their money on pot and X and like, like, they're not functioning, these aren't functioning individuals for somebody who, to say,

hey, wow, and idolize this guy, this isn't somebody who's bringing in $100,000 a year and can help support you anyway. He wrote a book about the whole thing that he released after prison. And he was trying to release it while he was on probation and he couldn't because probation was kind of stopping him. And it's the fucking book looks like,

I'm pretty sure all of the edits and grammar were done by him because it's, it's horrible. It's like, oh my God. Who? You can pay somebody to write your book. I 100% could have done a better job on this book. And it's almost, he wanted me to promote the book. So after I read it, I was like, I can't.

I can't get behind this, dude, because it looks like it was written by a third grader. It should have been a coloring book. And what was he basically saying? Oh, yeah. Like it wasn't my fault. No, no. He was glorifying the life that basically these dumb horrors knew what they were doing. These horrors are the ones that did it.

Yeah. It's just you got to think that he could I could never imagine this guy like you asked what's next for him more right I can't see him ever getting married I can't see him finding any self-respecting woman that would want to have kids with him He's got a little niece that doesn't know about this stuff and they're just now finding out because of the Netflix series and His family that has kids that didn't know the whole dynamic of this right now won't let their kids around him like they're like dude you're basically one step away from like a child pornography you're the kind of guy we sex pedophile you're specifically the kind of person that that parents don't want their their children to hang out

with specifically the reporter that was on I don't know if you remember the reporter that was on the Netflix series I forgot her name she traveled with him a little bit oh yeah she was talking about how she thinks he's very confused about his sexual identity how she thinks he hates women so much, but secretly he's gay. That's really the thing that everybody kind of jumps to is because in the limousines and stuff, you know, whatever, somebody's sexual preferences on them, but he bashes gay people to death, but yet he's in the limousine making out with men and getting orally fixated from

these men. But then he'll, none of this was supposed to be public. Right. But then the reporter who was doing a piece on him kind of putting him in a good light. When she started putting all the pieces together, she wrote a whole. separate article in it and it cut his head off. I'm sure and he hated her. Oh yeah. Even like like like

listen let's say you did something completely you did a fucked up video on me and said oh mad this and Matt this and Matt that and off camera he said this and said this and like you know what I'm not going to do is text you and call you

and threaten to come to your house and I'm going to you know kidnap your fucking you know dog or I'm gonna I'm gonna fucking trash your car. I'm going to get you motherfucker. Like, I'm not going to do that. You know what I mean? Like, that's, that is childish behavior

that you're doing something like that in the spur of the moment. That's not even like a psychopath. That's a sociopath. You know, that's somebody who doesn't have control. That's somebody who gets into bar room fights and Well, August 8th is when I did the live stream where I kind of retracted

everything that I'd said about him. And this is after I read the criminal indictment when it became public information. And during the interview, or during the live stream at 533 p.m., he says, yo, you serious with this shit? He goes, all right, all right, bro, you want to do it like this? We can. Really want to catch a case over this?

That's what we're going to do. I've already got three in the works. You want to be one? I'm relentless and have the money. When your little stream with seven people is done, clear your head and see what you want to do next. I suggest taking the video down or we can squabble. It's really on you. I'll give you a day to think about it.

Then I didn't respond. Answer, faggot. You should have sent him back the L-O-L like you did with those girls. I did, I did L-O-L. And he goes, all right, I know your gay ass is reading this. I said, this is all being forwarded. Forward it, pussy. Answer your phone.

Bro, I got your address. Get a stick. I'm coming. Answer, ho. All red on stream. Stay scared, pussy. He goes, whatever. I'm going to go to Shelley then because I wouldn't respond.

So he thinks he's going to go get. I've dealt with the stalker. So the things he's saying. are very, I'll tell you, these are typically what would trigger somebody to go, oh my God, I'll tell you, anybody, any real stalker that shows, you don't know they're coming until they're out of the fucking door. Yeah, let me give you every, let me come to your house and beat you up and send you a full text that I'm going to do it first.

You can go show the cops. Right. It's the quiet guy in the corner you have to worry about. Yeah. Yeah. So when he started sending that, I was, and then his mom sent me a text almost right after this, Dan Hunter says you turned on him. Yeah.

Is it true? And I felt bad for this woman, but I'm like, You know what? Maybe if you had like dealt with this kid. Yeah, you created this little monster. With not treating him like poor Hunter. He didn't know any better. He's not fucking 20 years old.

He's a grown fucking man. Does he still live at home? He does. He does. Which, whatever. But where's he going to go? What's he going to do for work? Right.

Especially the Netflix. I bet he didn't leave his fucking house. And if when you, if I read the text messages about when he canceled his flight, bro, I'm stressing out over this. Netflix documentary, but then when he comes on camera, he's like, man, this shit ain't phasing me, bro. I love it. It sells more books. Nobody's buying your illegitimate, unreadable paperback book that is typed on a prison typewriter and never, never done better. He's created an environment for himself that the only way out of it is to ask for salvation, basically, whether, look,

religion, you give up to serenity, right? Alcohol. you give up to a higher power. All of these things that change who you are inside out, life coaching, you have to give up and realize you don't have all the answers. You can't control the outcome. You just got to pop the fucking pimple, let all the pus out, and then start the healing process. His problem is he's trying to hold all of this, this who he was. He's trying to hold on to that because he's horrible.

His little fan club. Right. His horrible visual, but that's what he's doing. Right, right. Right. He's created this nasty pus pocket of a life. People are switching to channel. He's going to probably put up a big puss thing, like a popping pimple now.

He's talking about puss pockets and Jeffrey Dahmer. All of a sudden there can be like on the screen. But it's, that's how I relate to him because it's like gutter trash. And Shelley was so fucking mad. Chelly's like, you almost had this motherfucker in my house because we were going to put him up. We set up, I had my office was at my house for the longest time until we opened the studio. And I partly escalated and opening the studio. studio to set up the other bedroom so when Hunter came so I didn't have to spend another thousand

dollars on a fucking hotel right and you know it didn't work out but it worked out I'll tell you I was really upset at first I made the money back on the views but it opened my eyes to don't bring somebody on your channel just assuming that they're going to go in a direction that you think they're going to go in right and if they don't damn it Dan you better have the balls to call them out because it really did watch I can't even watch the video I did with him because it's so cringe watching myself kind of like like not know how to respond to the stuff he's saying it's almost like I basically like pussyed out and didn't want to call him out when he was talking all his shit because I'm like I was so caught off guard right and I'll never do

this was this was this was after you realized what was happening yeah no no no no no no or beforehand right before the Netflix series came out it was promoted right coming out I had him on right but Thinking he was going to take accountability. Okay, this is after you knew what was happening. You had read it all unsealed. Oh, okay, so you didn't know. I did. So I did the old interview a couple years ago.

Right. And then I did the new one. And then I did a live stream with him. And then right after the live stream, I got an email about the, the ship was unsealed. But watching his response. So after that, you didn't, after you read all that, you didn't then have another. Then I did. Yeah.

Then he wouldn't come back on after that. Oh, okay. Yeah. Because I basically, I sent him an email, I said, Hunter, or a text message, I said, Hunter, you're saying, I was like, there's, there's documents. Oh, you know, you didn't just, you didn't, you didn't, you didn't get him on. You didn't say, hey, let's do this. He would, he would have just, he would have hung up.

He would have hung up. He would have hung up. 100%. Yeah. That's too bad. I'd rather get the hung up. Yeah, you're right. You're right.

That would have been great. I'm really upset at myself for not because even before I saw the documents, just seeing how he was responding. because it was like even even if he did not know that the hacking was going on let's say he didn't know let's say he was innocent of that yeah and he took a plea deal so he didn't get more time right there's still a lot there that he looking back I'm like well his behavior alone when people are calling people are calling you up saying look man my kids pictures in the background or hey listen like you're putting me in danger hey look you know I'm ruining my life yeah I got fired for this I have I have two kids and I got fired and you're saying well you shouldn't have fucking sent that picture to you boyfriend you fucking whore and it's like what and i was and i was hoping that he was gonna and i kept saying hey hunter so that was the 20 year old version of you now you're the mid 30 year old version right and i said to him what would the mid 30 year old version of yourself now say to the 20 year old version he goes i would just go 10 times harder i'm like that's your and i was like how do i respond to this

that's where i was feeling myself kind of like that's what he said yeah yeah i would just go 10 times harder i think um like i mean if if you're now an adult was on some of these clips here i think i think so i crop myself out from asking the question because it's so cringe watching myself ask these questions i just put the words up so uh is this the first one so this is where i asked him i said hunter what are your thoughts on netflix series of the most hated man of the internet and then we asked him this is this was his answer it's a little difficult situation because I did my time and I'm not so much worried about myself. I'm more just worried about, you know, like my immediate friends and family having to deal with this stuff all over again.

And that's pretty much, that's pretty much my, the only negative, I guess. So that was his answer. His only negative from all of this was that he and his immediate family are being affected. There was no remorse for any of the people struck by this. um you just want to play all the yeah yeah let's let's what what's this one so before we did the interview i had you talked to uh amanda she had ran my fan page the whole time and you got to understand like the website like this whole narration of what the website uh was today because it's been controlled by all these green hair goblins but you know and all you know it's all about clickbait

and pushing traffic and all that stuff and they've controlled the narrative um but you know my parents everybody was so supportive of everything because it wasn't that like it was just this funny hilarious website and that had this funny crazy corky community and it wasn't anything malicious then or you know i'm not justifying saying that nobody was hurt or anything like that i'm just saying like for the time and what it actually was it was like wow everyone was like proud of me to be honest with you that would be a good interview for you the girl Amanda he's talking about there that that ran his Facebook fan page right he had me talk to her right before he did the interview with me because he wanted me to understand it better because he

couldn't explain what his website was right other than what it seems to be so she was all about hunter and after all of this happened he turned on her and she is like devastated over this like it ruined her life. She was devastated because he, she now sees him who he really is. Oh, okay. On the Discord, he always kind of protected her.

And when he talked about her on the interview, people are like, who's the man, is she hot? She's some dumb bitch that you're fucking this and that. And he wouldn't defend her. So she got upset that he wouldn't defend her. Right.

And like, but I won't interview her because I feel like she's too mentally unstable. But I don't know if she could handle the hate that comes her way. I don't I that's why I won't do it but she wants she wants to do an interview so if you want to I'll interview her I'm just wondering like she was the one who's running the site she was running his Facebook fan page when it was like for the last like 10 15 years while he was in prison

she was writing them sending him letters I love you she said they started dating even though they never really met really other than like once or twice in person very almost like all his other fans they're kind of they're kind of like these underground people that don't have real lives. Right, right. They attach themselves to a fictitious person because it's safe.

It's kind of like prison wives. Yeah. Right. It's the same, same thing. So when he showed her the true colors, if she wasn't anybody special to him, she couldn't believe it. It, like, devastated her. She's calling me every day, and I started seeing the unstable there.

And I told her, I was like, Amanda, I don't think it would be helpful for you to come on and do an interview. I think it really hurt your mental health because I don't see what you're going to going to get out of this. But, yeah. I'll do one with her. I'm not concerned about it. No, I'm just joking.

But, but I don't know. No, no, but I mean, I'll, I'll, I'll do one with her. I don't, well, I don't know. I don't know how you, that you're, I was going to say, I'm probably need to talk to her first. Yeah, I have a conversation with her. She's, I'm not understanding. I guess I'm not understanding what you're saying. Okay.

So she was in support of Hunter, Hunter did nothing wrong. Oh, that's what she's saying now. No, no, no, no. She was saying that. And now I said to, I said, Amanda, hacking's illegal. I said, Amanda, if you do an interview with me, you have to realize that we're going to have to talk about the fact that you turned a blind eye. Right.

It's evident you knew what he was doing, but you cared more about him being nice to you. Right. Than what he did to all these other women. Right. So I said, you can't, you can't do the interview and say, fuck on her without saying, I knew he was doing this and I was guilty for associating myself and promoting it. Right. So that's why I don't, she says she can handle that.

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And people, you know, people in the comments were disturbing. And we, then people would get mad at me because YouTube made us cut part of the donkey story out. Like this guy told us about going to Mexico and go into a real life donkey story. I had a guy in prison that had a donkey and he told me what would really go on. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This guy tells the whole thing. It's disgusting. The only thing that got me was the smell that he talked about.

Oh, stop it. Stop it, bro. Because this guy goes on and on and on about the smell. He's like, it's like he's, listen, unfortunately for, and the guy's name is Johnny, his name is Jeff Crean. But his name, they call him Johnny Walker. Johnny Walker is unfortunately a great storyteller and extremely descriptive. in a way that turned my stomach like it was yeah and so we put the full interview on my patreon and then people got pissed off in the comments because we wouldn't show the whole video

like i can't show the whole video they're taking it down they're saying that you know this this this this kid in ardap and i was doing him a favor like youtube did you a big favor like for the first time i you know i'm always big on like no sense or shit like that could shut your channel down not just the video that could like tank the whole fucking thing yeah this kid in Ardap we used to have to tell these like speeches and he gave this this this speech about his best friend this this the best friend's name was Chewy he goes through this whole like four and a half minute speech and at the end we find out the whole time Chewy's a donkey and then after I'm like dude you just told a whole story about your best friend that's a donkey he starts laughing

he goes he goes yeah actually don't chewie was a donkey that we had sex shows with and I was like oh I've always wanted to go he goes no you don't want to go to one no he starts talking about the smell and people right now don't know what i mean maybe they do just imagine if like imagine if you took oh you don't you know the adult bookstores where they have the back room where guys can go watch videos and do their business i've heard imagine if those back rooms if they just yeah yeah made the mess there was no clean it for like a month and it was hot and steamy and that this is going to get this is this is going to get now that's all we didn't even mention anything yeah so anyway so yeah he was he explained the whole thing

And he just, it was so, what's so funny about Johnny Walker, he said, like, he and his like four or five buddies, like, he's like, we all left when we left, when we got in the car, we drove for, he said, it was like an hour. He was, nobody said a fucking word. Like, everybody was just, he said, and he, he, he, he said funny, he said, at one point, he said, at one point he said at finally after like an hour and a half drive he said he said i finally went was anybody else oddly aroused wow and i was like oh my god he said that means in a weird way it it was like i have a weak fucking stomach and when people start talking about the script i i literally

get like the heaves going like i can't because oh god it's gag reflicked yeah anyway but back to hunter more well back to to shelly i mean not shelly too um what was the girl Amanda Amanda yeah Amanda like yeah I'll have a conversation with her and talk to her and uh I I do an interview yeah I mean she would make a great interview I I I'm interested in the page I'm interested in in the like the analytics like what are you guys figuring out who's watching how are you advertising she wasn't advertising basically Hunter had nothing to do with the page she was just a fan girl who's running it for free running it for free because she was like like a prison wife like obsessed with hunter and because he gave her some attention right and would say nice things

to her he would say all these other mean things to all these other people but he would be nice to her right so she turned a blind eye to his disgustingness because she was benefiting from it right well it's like a lot of these guys like i i know a guy that this this chick from high school contacted him they had known each other in high school like that's it never dated never really just kind of We're in some of the same classes, knew each other, were nice to each other, had lunch sometimes, you know, went to a couple parties. They clearly, like, I definitely remember her. She remembers me. She contacts him in prison.

They start dating. She's overweight. They date for, or they, they start, you know, she starts coming to see him every couple of weeks in prison for like three or four or five years. They get out. She actually loses weight because she's like, when you get out, like, I'm expecting we're going to see each other. And he says, to be honest with you, he said, and I'm, I don't, you know, I don't want this sound mean, but I don't really like big girls. And she's like, it's the weight. And he's like, I mean, I don't, I'm sorry. She's just, I want to be, I like everything about you. I want to be attracted to you. And I did, but, you know, let's face it. You're, you're, and she goes, I'll lose it. She lost like 60 pounds within like a year or so. 60 pounds. Like they got out. They dated for a couple months. Boom. Boom. It was over. And it was. And it was. And he really genuinely, I don't think was. necessarily taking advantage of her because but when you're in that when you're in that situation you feel like you're being sincere at the time right well but i mean i know some guys who

were just vicious right that like there's just blatantly lying promising everything they call them sponsors they got a bunch of girls yeah like they're put those girls are their girls are putting money on their books they're running them around they go call so-and-so do this do that send my buddies i'm like they're just like and they these girls are doing this all thinking when I get out, I'm going to date this guy. He's in great shape. He works out. Like, he loves me because I'm loyal. Do you think they really think that? I think some of them do because they know that date's coming. Do you think they're so broken and they're so damaged that they hope he says? Every relationship they've had has been bad. And now their communication with the prison inmate, it's all happy

emails. It's all happy phone calls. They know where the guy's at. There's a level of security there. The closer it gets to release date, it's almost like you see a self-sabotage coming behind it. Really? See, I think that, like, they know the guy's getting out. They think that because they've been so steadfast and loyal and supportive that the guy is going to get out and reciprocate. And the truth is, the guy's just using him, you know? What was it? There was this one TV show about that kind of thing where, and the guy, like the girl's visiting him, and he's clearly using her. I mean, it's so obvious.

Like, they're sitting there. Oh, family's telling her. Yeah, yeah. Dr. Phil's telling her. Well, they're getting, and they're getting married. And the film crew, they're like, so, so you're getting married. He's like, yeah, I mean, I guess so. And they're like, so are you happy?

Like, I mean, you know, do you love her? And he goes, yeah, okay, whatever, bro. Yeah, yeah, I love her. And it's just like, it's like, wow, you don't even pretend. And she's just in all, in all of this guy. Yeah, picking out her wedding dress. Yeah. You know, she's 60, 70 pounds overweight.

He's in good shape because he works out all the time. And they barely feed it's a state prison. They're barely feeding them. Like to him, it's like, you're somebody who sends me commissary. And all I have to do is be semi-polite to you. And she's thinking he's going to get out and they're going to be married and stay married. And I bet if you look at her past, she's probably abusive relationships, the toxic relationships. That's probably the best relationship she's had.

That's how fucking sad it is. To become that a delusional when everybody around you. Sees it. There was a guy and locked up I was locked up with and he is part he actually sold

business plans and part of the business plan was you've got to get out and you got to get a loan for like $50,000 and they were like well how do I do that

I don't have good credit and part of his loan was you get a fat girl with good credit that was I mean literally he wrote that That's in the plan in the plan

first thing obtain fat girl with good credit. Chapter 4 fat girl with good credit Fat girl 700 plus plus like how do you sleep we can't skip this part guys this is important did you have do you have good credit now no bad credit nothing but backer okay go to go to page three self-esteem

you start on page three god fucking horrible it's like one of those it's one of those business plans where it's like one of those pop-up books no the the choose your own destiny books from the bungeons and dragons when you were a little kid and it's like okay you have three choices do you have good credit moderate credit bad credit bad credit turn to page 12 okay get a fat girl with fucking good credit they have video games like that now where you get to pick like what do you want the person to do you want to run do you want to stay yeah yeah that's what those books old books were that that was my video game Connor that was my video game yeah my video games before they had like these real like first person shoots do uh no no stop it bro stop was you if they were books

They were called Choose Your Own Destiny, and you would read three or four pages, and it would give you different choices. And then it's like, you know, hey, there's a dragon here. Do you want to fight the dragon? Do you want to hide? And each choice would lead a different page to a different page. Different page. So you turn to page 16 and you go, okay.

And then it says, okay, you fight the dragon. And then three page later, you're dead. Right. You know, and then you go, where was the other page? You should let me go to run. Netflix has a, has a, it's a movie or a show where you're watching it. And like every 10, 15 minutes, you'll get to pick, you have to use your remote and you'll pick what the person, they can either say this or say this. And it changes the course of what.

Of the story? Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty. I think that shit's kind of, it's not there yet. It's not innovative enough. I mean, that could end up being like eight hours of, eight hours of film that ends up for everybody, it ends up only being an hour and a half of. I don't think the market's there.

for it yeah video games maybe but movies not yet nobody wants to fucking hold a remote and have to pay attention i got to put down the joint to to pick my next choice here but yeah back to uh Netflix and chill yeah hold on a second what is it what happened yeah tell her I love her okay so what's the next one here what's the next clip are you sorry for what you did Did we watch that one? No, no, it wasn't. No, the other one was about the Netflix thing and how it affects him.

Look at you with the mind of an elephant. The elephant. Flat out, no. First of all, I mean, this probably sounds horrible, but I'm proud of what I created. I'm proud of the community that I created. Now, do I wish I would have gone about it in a different way a hundred percent and you know i'm obviously more than sorry for and i definitely

would love to apologize to people that were affected negatively by the website but besides that you know like i did do my time like i feel like i did pay my dues um and it it wasn't all negative and i had a great time and i would definitely do it over and over again that is that is that a fucking horrible. That reminds me. It's so contradicting. Yeah, it is absolutely. I wish I could say sorry to everybody, but I wish I could do it all over here. I wish I'd done it. Yeah, I wish I'd done it differently, but I wish I could do it. I would. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating

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Definitely do it all over again. So here's the thing. And I see this with guys all the time, where, you know, they sold drugs. You know, I always love it. Like, they sold drugs. They, you know, had a bunch of kids that they didn't take care of. they they absolutely just trashed a ton of people's lives like they abused people their whole

their whole life they end up going to prison they they do 15 years they get out their kids are grown they don't know them they've put everybody through hell you know parents have died while they were in there you know they've just trashed like everybody's everybody who's made the mistake of crossing their path they trashed right and then you say you know so are you uh are you sorry for what happened like like would you do it again like would you and they go absolutely man that made me the man I am today it made me that like if it wasn't for those things

I wouldn't be who I am yeah well most the people that answer that I noticed the people that answer that are scumbags like like the people that say that say like I know that's the appropriate answer

like that's the answer all tough guy cool guys well I want to give that answer right no I like me I like the person I've evolved into I like this I like this but the truth is you know I wish I I wish I could go back and I wish I could just get a job at Walmart

work in the fucking back room you know teach my kids little league class you know what I'm saying? Be a regular person right because that's like the backbone of America and that's what makes all the things that you and I take for granted work you know what I mean like those are the real

that's the real trooper that guy that works 40, 50 hours a week you know busts his ass takes care of his fucking kid like he's 10 times the man that I'll ever be like so that so for me my answer is i wish to god i'd fucking made the right fucking calls and i had those opportunities over and over and over again and he answers this fucking question like a complete fucking sociopath yeah fucking douchebag no thought at all into it right

literally answering as the brain cell hears it he's responding with with no what's the cool answer yeah yeah what's the cool thing that all everybody will think is What do my little douchebag fans want to hear? Right. So that's the answer I'm going to give him. Right. He sees him because he was in, he was on the cover of Rolling Stones magazine way back when. Yeah.

He's still living off of that mindset. Because at one point, he was cool in the industry before they knew exactly the extent of what happened. Right. He was just this guy that had this website. And it was blowing up and he had tons of popularity. He was getting advertisers and stuff. But once they started seeing. the true content, then the advertisers fall back.

You think Nike? You think fucking Coca-Cola is going to buy an ad in your smut destroying lives magazine? Right. No, of course not. But even with what you just said, I wish I could have been the kind of person that would have been happy getting a job at like a Walmart. Right. Like when you did what you did, title fraud, what was for you, what was the biggest driving force? If you had to summarize it, and your options are money, fame, clout.

I would say, I would say it wasn't fame. It was, it was, initially it was money, but then once I got the money, I kept going. So I know that ultimately it was, it was being, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, look, one, it's, it's, it's a great feeling to beat the banks. Exilarating. Yeah, it's exciting, but, you know, it was more about being respected and being admired and having. you know so now jump forward to where you are today what what's your biggest driving force for doing the podcasting youtubeing it's not that different right no no it's it's almost exactly the same but the difference is that i'm happy and you're not doing it at the expense of hurting somebody else right

created boundaries yeah right same thing and hunter's probably got that same thing he just doesn't know how to identify it how to explain it he hasn't done any introspection on it right you're the same person you were. You still have the same desire. You're not the same person, but you have the same thrill that makes you feel alive. That's still there. It's still who you are. It's your burning desire. But you're able to recreate it in a way that meet, it still meets that need without having to over your shoulder. Yeah, without, without having to be worried about ended up being some guys, you know, Bubba's, um, destroying lives and families. Selly or or ended up going to prison and asking justice.

and put money on my books and yeah without having to do all that like i i get the same you know yeah definitely i get the same thing i mean the money obviously is not there right but then again you know i i once i went to prison after a year or so really looking at myself and like i wrote a memoir about my about wrote wrote a memoir about myself obviously memoirs about yourself so i wrote a memoir and i started you know really looking at myself and i very clearly realized that i had all that money and not I was never happy I was happier in prison than I ever was on the street you know we get that with a lot of our clients that on the consulting side guys that are going to prison that have run scams and whatnot they all tell me they're like man I can't wait to get out and just live a

simple life and I'm like you're not going to get out and live a simple life the reasons why you went to prison that DNA makeup that you have that's still the same DNA that you're going to be when you get out so to think that you're going to kill that that exciting thing that makes you feel alive and go get a job at a nine to five somewhere all you're doing is setting yourself up for the next scam really you have to find something that can give you that same thrill but it's just replacing the drug dealing with podcasting replacing the for you and i it happens to be making content right right as much as we want the money from it i'm a little bit of the camera i love to be on camera i love people to affirmations i've learned how to take bad compliments i've

I've learned how to not allow it to affect me. And that was my big thing before, is I wanted to create this facade of how I wanted people to see me. Yeah. And now I'm realizing that when you just kind of let things be and do the right thing kind of for the right reasons, can't make everybody happy. But I live an exciting life. I get to make content all day long. I got a cool YouTube studio. I get to come do shit like this.

I don't know how well I would do sitting in a cubicle nine to five every day. I don't know if I could do it. That I'm going to get out and just get a regular job. like absolutely for the first few years that first of all it was like if i ever get out but two it was if i do get out then i'm going to get that job and i think i could have done that job for a few months but very quickly that job wasn't going to fulfill that need you would have been feeling it and and it could have gone bad for me it would have been there right so so you know i got lucky that i i've slowly moved in did a bunch of different things and moved into this space and and i'm able

to make this work for me. You're smart dude, man. A lot of people can say what they want. But I told you this before. First time I met you, I thought you were just like, I didn't know how to take you. I thought you were just creating this image, but you're really just this jerk. And really, you're not, you're all that often. But you're not creating the image.

You are who you are. The guy you see here is the same guy watching you and Jess interact. It's so funny because I have other friends, couples, that. saying the kind of things that you guys would say openly to each other would set off monumental arguments like World War III and it's over nothing

and you guys know that and get that and it's why it's like you guys be pissed off in a moment and then five minutes from now be completely fine because there's no carrying over the grudging and I'm going to hold this on until tomorrow and that's kind of you know it's kind of who you are

you know which is cool I'll make some kind of snide little comment or say something or really honestly not say anything. I don't think I've really said anything. And she'll go upstairs and she'll be like and I go, what? That upset you? That upset you? I said this and this. That's what I? She's like, all right. No, no, it's fine. It's fine. And she'll walk off and I'm like, come on. And then 10 minutes later, she'll come downstairs and walk in and sit on the couch and lean up against me. And she'll go, I thought about it. I'm all better now. It was definitely me. I, but it, but it requires

that you didn't get triggered and go, you know what? If you can go, fuck, you then go walk up here that's kind of a reaction she may have gotten in the past from other people that is not so been in jail like you have to admit like like going to jail makes almost everything else just seems silly yeah like you hear that like you watch social media and you hear about you know like gender politics and and just people getting furious be oh you're truck you're locked down you can't leave your house and dude i couldn't leave a fucking yeah like i couldn't leave a yard like it was ridiculous. That was funny when the TikToks were going along, where there were like the difference between people that have gone to prison and people that haven't. There were guys that are

like just kicked back, like watching TV. Like, hello, I'm good. But they got a bunch of top ramen soup, you know, and they're like, good. I got a remote, a TV and there's not a bunch of men farting and burping around me. Other people are running around their house screaming. Like, ah, I's trapped. Oh, my guess. Yeah. Yeah. But it just shows it's what you're, that's why I get guys that get sentenced to six months and they're freaking out and my initial reaction is god's always but to them i i get like it's the end of the world like it's relevant to them and i hate to do that i hate to do that because like like i had remember the guy matt uh uh uh la land lond yes he's supposed to come on to do one with me oh okay like he when he explains like he's like you know i was sentenced to like you know

i forget what it was like it was short it's three to six months or something and he's like you know And he's, you know, he's thinking about, like, suicide. He's, he's, he's, you know, just traumatized by it. And he goes to prison a few different times. And, and I'm like, bro, come on. Like, I've stood in line. Like, I kind of start to laugh about it. And then I think, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Like, stop, stop, stop. You know, it doesn't matter what you've done. I, out of everybody I've ever talked to in prison, I've only met maybe one or two guys that literally said, I'm happy with what I got like no matter what it's always too much it's always traumatizing and let's face it three months in jail if I went to prison right now for three months when I got out it's not going to jail for three months it's when I get out my life is devastated yeah bills where to live everything not everybody gets out to a family of support absolutely so so three months to some people just

tanked their entire life it take them paycheck to paycheck two or three years to get back on their feet two or three years i was all set up to do uh the the a and e show 60 days in um oh okay i was going to i was signed up they had actually advanced me a 10 grand or something like that out of the 40 grand that they were going to pay nice and everyone's like oh wow i was like i went to prison 60 days in county jail and it's not even like i know that i'm like it's a different mindset i was like no big deal but i ended up backing out of it because i watched all of the at the end of every episode or the end of every season

they do like a roundtable get together and they paint such a bad they create the scenario where you can tell it through editing that they make everybody kind of look bad in a way

I was like this isn't going to help my prison consulting right the people that kind of watch this I don't think are going to federal prison the people that are watching this are the people that are you know probably watching what's the the one where the hip hop loving hip hop and stuff right you know it's a little bit of a different

different audience yeah yeah and i was like a these are like street guys that are watching yeah i was like this could i was like this could actually hurt my business because to to get to get by in there and to make it interesting you got to go out and do stupid shit i was like i don't know if this fits the forte that what i'm doing well you you know the guy the main guy committed suicide who the black guy? Oh, no, the white guy. That was on a bunch of seasons. There was a black guy that was a former police officer. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That had gone in there. Like, he actually contacted me. Oh, really? And we talked on the phone a couple of times. And he was saying, look, like A&E wants to do kind of like a podcast type show with he and another guy where they talk about crimes. And, you know,

I guess they go over crimes or they interview other people. And he said, and they want me to have, like, co-host like I want you to be my co-host and we talked for a little bit I was like yeah tell him I'm interested let me know and then I mentioned it like on concrete and then somebody in the comments of concrete contacted him say hey bro you're going to be doing the thing with uh cox then he contacts me and he's like yo bro like why would you say that um like that's supposed to be on the down low and and I went he probably was supposed to tell anybody well you well I was usually you got a sign did they make you sign anything well no I never signed anything because it was only a conversation like he was going to go to them and say, hey,

like this is nothing. This is a preliminary conversation. I had to sign a whole. Well, I didn't get that far. And this wasn't me going on the show. This was a, he was talking about doing a whole separate show.

So I was like, okay, well, you didn't mention that. Bro, you should know better. You've been in prison. You should know brother. I said, well, but then you don't know me at all, bro. Yeah.

I was like, you know, guess what? I'll tell on anybody. I didn't see 5K1 tattooed on my neck. You ain't, in old English. Yeah, I'm not keeping my mouth shut for nothing. You better tell me. I said, I don't know what, you're, you know, we never talked to again.

Right. He probably got grief on him. He probably signed something. And now, yeah. No, when they, the 80 made me, I had to do a whole, they made me do a psychological event. Dude, it was like the most intense. It took about six hours to do the psych eval thing that it was intense. I mean, I've only watched a show a little, a little bit.

But it's, you know, every episode is the same. Yeah. Yeah, but it, it does, the problem is it, it does seem like county jail. Yeah. You know, it is. It's, you know, a lot of politics and bullshit, guys stabbing each other in the back and people trying to fuck each other over and, you know, suck it up to each other and got, you know, I was just thinking, you know, like I could put up with that for six months.

Yeah, but 60 days. I'm sorry, sorry, 60 days. I could put up with that, but it would be a pain. Yeah. Yeah, you know, 40 grand. I, it was. I like 40 grand for. Yeah, and you get taxed on the money.

So they give you the first, they give you a lump sum up front. It was half of it you get up front. You get half when you sign everything and then you get the other half right before you go. And then the rest of it is giving to you in the form of like a paycheck. All right. Taxes come out of. So you got to pay taxes on the first part out of yourself pay that tax. And then the other rest of it, they take the taxes out as they give it to you.

But it was a big deal when I, because I couldn't talk about it. But once I refund, I had to give the money back. That part sucked. I'd spent most of it. but i had i had listen this year you're what they call hit yeah in prison you got a payment plan yeah but uh because i had every every reason i mean i was going to go i was it was like we were prepped to go um shelly was very bummed about it because our dogs were sick and that was the other thing one of our dogs died when i would have been away and that would have been oh

couldn't done it that would have been it i would have been like whatever whatever the signal is get me out of here if I can I'm done Cobra Cobra! Connor Connor You're gonna be a lot of

20 years from now you're gonna be talking about this in therapy. Yeah. All right. The smell. Back to Mr. Bell. Sorry.

Yeah. Let's play this. So what's what's, this is, uh, we asked Hunter, what regrets do you have? I wish I'd gone harder um if there was any regrets is that I didn't go 10 times harder

that's probably my only regret to be honest if I'm being just amazing I mean look at I'm not I'm not here to cry or wherever I've done my time like obviously these people were affected by the site and I feel bad for it for them and they obviously need a you know to air their grievances but the other day I did my time you guys wrote and did all this stuff about me and my fans and all these lies so like um but i had a great time i don't i'm not going to regret anything i don't regret anything and uh i wish i went ten times harder because the outcome would have been the same the outcome okay first of all he's wearing what what we call in prison chobo 2000s okay those are the those are the sex offender

they look just like the sex offender glasses those are the reading glasses you get off commissary stylish Yeah So you know Secondly He looks like a sex offender With the beard and everything But also it's

It doesn't Yeah that answer That answer is such a shit Yeah It's just Trash, pusified Yeah I mean

First of all He's got to lose the beard He's almost like he's a disguise I think he's I think he's Do you know what a neck beard is The term? No

So when you go to Walmart And you see the guy The grown man probably 30, 40 years old. He's wearing green or gray sweatpants. Has a whole face full of beard. Yeah, yeah. He's got a cart full of Mountain Dew.

And you hear him talking on his headset about how he's going to go home and play Call of Duty in his basement. Yeah. At his mom's house or grandma's house. And you're saying that they call him neckbeard because he didn't even shave his neck. Yeah, yeah. And they have neck beard nests. So when you get into their basement, it's just mountain dew cans and hot pocket packages everywhere.

So I bet a hundred more lives in a, have you heard. the term neck beard before okay con you're gonna connor's thinking i got to clean my room you're gonna get home i don't buy mountain dune public that's all buy it on amazon yeah that's just that's just a horrible answer i mean i feel bad for those people and all you don't sound like you feel bad for those people i feel bad but i would go 10 times harder right right right the contradiction is and this is where i was still didn't know how to fucking take it like i'm like how do i respond that's why i don't even show myself asking him the questions what's the what's the last question we got is there one more or two more one of them he

kind of loses a shit a little bit let's let's keep it going well here's the thing you kind of have to go back in time there's like a greater context to all this stuff first of all I don't even know my co-defendant and they could like I told you before in my previous interviews they were trying to get me they were trying to say they were taking our servers they were trying to do anything they could to take me down my co-defendant I didn't even remember is name told you just said it right now because i don't know him he was befriended by a friend of mine's cousin who worked for me because he went to sds you we used to go to clubs and we buy pictures from everybody djs celebrities all kinds of stuff because nudes were the commodity so for me

you know my uh my ex-employee we thought that's just what we did man we were just stupid 20-year-old kids um as far as them being hacked i didn't know they were being in hacked until later that's where the conspiracy came in is because i didn't report it i was just like all right whatever this is weird let's just let's kick this kick rocks let's keep it going and uh that's how they got me on a conspiracy charge all my charges are my co-defendants charges that's why it's a conspiracy uh no yeah no you you you participated in the conspiracy yeah you i he orchestrated the conspiracy and uh remind me connor I'll send you the links that you can post.

I downloaded all of the indictments for him and his co-defendant. Nice. So I'll give you the links. You can post them. Nice. Because people want to read the stuff. Yeah, yeah, of course. Because he sounds fucking believable.

Right. Well, you know what kills me is that people who don't know. The other videos I meant to mention this. I love he keeps saying like, you know, man, I did my time. I did my time. Like, how much time did he get? 30-something months. He did RDAP.

You got 30 months, did ARDAP and what a camp? He went to a load. In a low. In a low. I don't understand why he went to a low and not a camp. It had to be something to do with the crime. No, I don't think so. I think, well, wait, is he in California?

Mm-hmm. Okay, yeah, you're right. In California. So the different regions... There's plenty of camps. He could have went to Sheridan. He could have went to Lombok. I'm saying in general, like in the...

In the... Oh, God, what am I trying to say? The southeast, you know, region, kind of of the country. Right. Like, typically, you go to a low. And then very quick. quickly, they either bring you to a camp or they move you to a medium or you stay at the low, right? Every single one of my clients starts at a camp.

Really? Are you doing something? I mean, these are just all first time, nonviolent, short time offenders. See, I know tons of guys that exactly the same, what you just said. I went to a low and not a camp, right? But I had an open case. I had a, I had a detainer, which prevents you. Tons of people that go straight to lows.

And then six months later, boom, into a camp. And that's what I was told by one of the counselors. They were like, basically in this area, you typically go to a low, and then they kind of figure out where they're going to put you from there. Most people, the self-report, self-surrender, go to a camp. Well, if they self-surrender, too. He's self-surrendered. Oh, okay. Well, I was going to say, in California, typically, you'll go straight to a camp.

Like, if they're like, he's low, his score is this, he's low, go to a camp, go to a camp. But he's self-surrendered, and you're saying he went to, South surrendered or went to a Beaumont Low. Yeah. He wants Khan Bank of America out of. of $250,000, using nothing but a fake ID and his charm. He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud.

Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. How do you explain the proof of hacking the indictment shows it came from your email? He didn't like that question. it's not me it's parts of me you got to understand there was a it was a company email so i had multiple people five six seven people on that email address it didn't matter they they all wanted they just

wanted me to make an example of me now we could go real deep into the hacking stuff even though it's pretty shallow uh um do i regret that which is probably what you're headed towards yeah trying to you know uh yeah of course dude i mean it is it is what it is but like i don't i don't know it's just like it's kind of null and void to me like in the long run like oh my god you were so fucking affected by your busted ass titty being put on the internet that 10 years 12 years later you go don't wear a bra on a netflix documentary get the fuck out of here dude the shit is so fucking stupid your mom writes a book about it i'm just so done it's so fucking annoying. I'm sorry. Can we move on? Like, what else do you want me to do? That kid, that

hacked her was some guy that was obsessed with her. Like, I have nothing. I don't know these people. I don't. This is all like a blatant lie because I mean, I watched the indictment and they show the, you know, the text messages and then, you know, all the emails of him going back and forth back. Tell him the guy, do this, do that, you know, I'll send you money here. Open a different PayPal account. In the, in the indictment itself, in the criminal indictment and in the uh criminal complaint the government has the i like the ip they posted the ip addresses as part of the evidence and it showed he's trying to say it was an employee of mine working not at your ip address not not he's trying to say he had people working out of his house on his

computer without him knowing it doing right he's fully nobody there was nobody else it was just him first of all if you didn't do it and it was beatable and it was all bullshit why didn't you just go to trial right go to trial and even that even that you and i both know that can be excused with it's still tough but for people that don't know the the government will stretch right oh yeah yeah but they're not gonna forge indictments they're not they're not gonna put stuff in there that didn't really happen right there's for him it's it's black and fucking white that he lied and it I mean I'm almost happy I didn't see the stuff earlier because

I never would have would have had the content but by the case being sealed It was in his best interest. I think his co-defendant had it unsealed. Because his co-defendant, I think his name is Charles something. Somehow he hasn't taken it because he stays out of the fucking radar. Right. He doesn't go online and start talking about it. Hunter.

He's still desperate for fucking attention. That's what it is. He would rather have the attention of these underground trolls that are all using fake names, all these people that are on his Discord. These are people that are probably living regular lives that go online and pretend to be somebody else. Do you watch South Park at all? No, no.

I mean, I've seen some episodes. Anybody watches South Park when you watch the episodes about when Kyle's dad or whoever Stan is doing the, he's trolling people. He's like, troll hunter, 300. And it's basically all these people that are fictitious. They become somebody that they're not. He is the leader of the fictitious fucking nerds, the neckbeards. He basically leads a bunch of neckbeards.

And none of the neckbeards are real. He's the only real person that. gets off on this stuff. So what happened when you put up, like have you got any heat at all from, have you? From what? From you putting up the videos of him.

Oh, yeah. Really? Almost all the comments are, Dan, why the fuck would you like this, the guy interviewing him is a piece of shit for forgiving this guy a platform fucking scumbag. Oh,

so it's, oh, I was thinking it was going to be like his trolls. Oh, no. Guys coming after you saying, fuck you motherfucker. No,

they don't want, see, they go on, they go on his discord and would say, Oh, Ardab Dan posted a video because they want to fuel him up because they know he's a crash test dummy. He has no, he doesn't have the ability to think. I mean, what moron after going to prison and Ben through all that? We'll send a text message about I'm going to come to Florida and beat you up with a stick.

Yeah, yeah. And I've got, I'm already working on three cases right now. Like you send that to his probation officer and she's going to show up at his house or he's going to show up his house. Say, you want to explain this to me? What cases are should I be looking at? And then he must have gotten some wisdom from somebody because then he went silent after. that. I have a, I'm so mad. I didn't know, you know, use Streamyard from time to time. Yeah. So I recorded, I was on his Discord under a fake name. He didn't know it. So I was on

his Discord and I was doing a screen. I was, I was, you know what Discord is, right? So I was streaming his Discord recording it. But fucking, um, it's either 12 hours or 24 hours. Stream Yard, if you record anything or it's YouTube, anything past 10 hours or 20 hours, it automatically doesn't save it. It deletes it. And he found out I was, in there like 20 hours into it and removed me dude the fucking stuff I had him in there saying oh my god it was just such a a the most vile disgusting it would probably be up there with the donkey show stuff the kind of stuff he was talking about what he wanted to do to these women that were posting stuff online about them how he wanted to wear studded spiked strap-ons and

and raped them in front of their mothers and like just horrible graphic stuff anybody that could say these kind of words lives in some kind of fucking he hates women he hates women to the fucking tea so I believe he he's a sausage party kind of guy so what's going to happen so what's going to happen with this guy

he's it's already dying down I mean right but I mean what's going to happen like what does a guy like this do for a living like this guy I mean he's got to hope he gets a job somewhere doing some geeky IT shit where nobody has ever knows him if he was smart maybe he's got maybe his middle name

It was like Adam. Maybe it's Adam Hunter or Hunter Adam Moore. Maybe he's going to go by Adam Moore. Right. Because the name, you Google the fucking name. It's everywhere. It's everywhere. It's everywhere.

So it's, okay. So what, I mean, is he sharp enough to do anything on the, no, he doesn't seem sharp enough. If he was sharp enough. Like he,

first of all he's got some, some chick. He's got this Amanda running his whole thing. Like if you're sharp, yeah. Why aren't you running your whole thing? The only thing he runs is his discord. Okay.

And that's because people, People, people, they call him, they call him the father in there. Father, father. That's right. The family. She was talking about the family was after her, right? In the Netflix, listen, you're going to, Connor's going to go watch it now. Like all this stuff, he's in all right.

You should watch it because it's, it's creepy to see how disturbing the underground internet is. And he's these, these slithering, slimy, disgusting worms of people. Like him. It's how not to behave, really. He commands an army of dingbats, basically. So what's, but I mean, honestly, though, look, there's nothing for him left. There's nothing for him. A bullet.

Jesus. On his own accord. Yeah. Not nobody, not me doing it to him, but him doing it himself would be, that would be the only thing he could really do, I think. It would, A, do his mother a huge service. Well, I mean, what happens if his mom gets sick and she passes away? Like, where's this guy live?

Like, does this guy sell used cars? He can't be decent enough. Well, he could probably fake it. If he faked his way through ARDAP, he could probably fake a job. His address is online. I don't think he could because I think he would go sell cars and he would have to let people know who he is because he'd want people to go, oh, I saw the Netflix series about you. Yeah.

Not really. And they just move on to somebody else. Yeah. I met this guy, Adam, fuck. He's a tattoo artist. He was on a show, the, what's that tattoo show? Inked. Ink Masters.

He's in Melbourne, Robbie Rapole. cool dude and he came in did an interview with me and stuff lost his leg he's awesome he gave my daughters from tattoos and we start to become friends a little bit and i tell him about the hunter more thing he tells his girlfriend about it and his girlfriend's like i don't want you talking to dan because she watched the series and she hates she hates hunter so bad that i'm still trying to convince her that look look i've turned my mindset around on hunter like i'm not pro hunter she doesn't know she doesn't know she should trust me around her her husband or not you can't play with my man yeah yeah you guys cannot go to the sandbox together wow yeah yep you know hunter

he he's a he's a true like he is a modern bully that can't handle being bullied back because the minute you put him on the spot he gets so defensive he starts talking loud he gets real hands he starts bouncing around like a fucking crackhead there's yeah it was a horrible interview And look at, look at, I asked him, I was like, please have a camera stationary with a computer. Look at this shit I'm dealing with. The fucking camera jerking around the whole time. So I really think, feel like Connor, I feel like we should cut him out and have him like in the up in the corner right here. Just his big head kind of.

Oh, I've got a picture of him. So while we're talking, he can just be, you know, just like that, that real. really is the guy that lives in the basement. Like if something happens with his mom and he has to survive on his own, like I don't know that that's possible with this guy. Absolutely not possible. I mean, like he doesn't have the bullshit personality

to do, like I was gonna say can't he, you don't think he could kind of convert this or parlay this into like a YouTube channel or something? Or he would just taste too many bad to me. He could if he would be willing, to do it the right way. The problem is, is the only way he can do it right now

is the personality he is, and he couldn't get monetized. Yeah, yeah, he can't maintain civility long enough to be functional on YouTube. This picture of... Because I was going to say, this is the kind of guy that, because there are,

this is a really, really stupid version of... We go to the picture of him in the middle. Is that him? Yeah. What the... hell so he looks like it looks like he's he just got done finishing somebody off jesus he doesn't look good that's the picture i'll send you look at his little friend in the background him and these two guys just sitting basically naked they look like um boys gone wild he uh yeah he's he's he's

got he's got issues there's some there's some psychological mental health breakdowns that maybe maybe something maybe his mom is so protective over him because maybe yeah but what happens when mom's gone just saying maybe something happened to him as a kid maybe he was touched in improperly what are you doing we don't know that hunter i'm i'm sure there was nothing going on i'm sure it's fine you know psychologists have said when people act this way it's usually a pattern out yeah it's a pattern caused by some sort of behavior from a your mom's super protective yes yes that's a little off but that's fine i'm sure like maybe maybe he can come to grips and and say you you know what, I've got to really change my ways.

I have to be... I would advocate him. I'd promote him. You know, because, like, you can't function like this in society. No. He's self-destructive to himself. Yeah. And who's going to date him?

Like, they did have the ex-the-girlfriend that had dated him. She only dated him for a minute. Right. She really wasn't even around when any of that happened. Right. She left because of how... Once she started figuring out... How insecure he was.

And anytime, anytime anything would ever happen, he would lash out a whore. just like vile and sabotage anything good in his life like we'll work arms you know one of the one day we work arms right so and I'm like I go light and she's like I'm doing as much as you I go I know but I don't like the work arm she was why I go because

when my arms start to get big too big you look at Popeye I look like my arms are already short right like she already makes fun of me she says she calls me uh um she's like you're my little T-rex like because you're like a Tom Cruise like if I used to do this all the time built in Tom Cruise, but you're like a Tom Cruise stature.

I used to do this all the time, and she says, you look like a little T-Rex when you do that. And then one time I dropped like my phone in my car, and I had to bend over in my car seat to try and grab my phone. She just busted your balls, huh? Busted out laughing. She's like, oh, my God, T-Rex. I got it. I got it. But isn't it great to be in a relationship where you guys can do that?

Yeah, but the problem is I mentioned it. Yes, but I mentioned it and people will leave little T-Rexes in. They'll put like they'll put a quote like you know something I said like quote and then something I said quote and then they they'll put a dash and they'll put a little T-Grex says that like this is what you just said and they'll consider done. Oh yeah, listen. It's nonstop. T-rex this T-Rx this. So yeah. So it's it's an issue and now of course I'm sitting there today at the gym like we're working out. Do you wear lifts? Do you wear shoes that like give you like an inch? I do have a little bit of a I do listen some guys send me stuff where they're like look bro this will give you like two inches. They'll send me special shoe links, and I'm like, I'm not going to do all that. He's not taking Viagra for the extra inches. He's taking shoe lifts for the extra inches. So I'm sitting there standing there, right?

And I'm like, so what's going? And she, this morning, she's grinning and grinning and laughing. I go, what are you laughing at? And she goes, and I go, and I go, what? And she goes, she's like, I go, are you laughing at my arms? And she goes, they're great, baby. but they do look shorter

and I'm like oh we're not we're not we're not we're not that's it you're gonna week off I'm not working arms anymore I'm not I'm not doing it I mean and I've gained I've gained like

I told you like 10 15 pounds like I'm up to like 175 180 I need to lose I need to get down to 160 165 I was 185 in prison that was the best weight I've ever been Are you serious? Yeah Listen I got up to

I'm like 28 I'm like 218 right now Oh my God I was 195 in prison, 190, 195. When I walked out of prison, I was, I was actually 148 pounds the morning I left. Oh, when you went in, you weighed that. When I went in 195, when I went out, well in 50. And I came out 180. Wow.

In 13 months. Wow. Yeah, prison was good for that. Oh, yeah, it's easy. You want to die in prison. You can. I tell people, people are like, what do you? I was like, just the average inmate, unless you're,

you're, like, living inside, but if you're outside, just listening to your music, walking, not even for exercise purposes, just for freeing your mind, 15, 20 miles a day is like, you can really lap those, those, the half mile lap. Yeah. Yeah. The track. And just walking back and forth, like you walk everywhere. There's not like any of the inside.

And then at nighttime, when they close the outside yard, I'd walk the inside yard. Yeah, yeah, the inside. Yeah, whatever. Those are not, look, I don't miss prison, but I do miss some. of the routine stuff there with like the togetherness and the camaraderie however you say that yeah yeah that camaraderie there you go right that was uh i'd never experienced that before you know it was it was kind of like i had a lot of cool bromances in there for sure yeah yeah there were some there were some cool guys um all right anything else anymore nothing nothing else uh i'll send you

some links for uh for mr hunter more there yeah i'll send you the links with the interviews too yeah Like, we got to, if you, if you're watching this, you really ought to watch the netflix special. It's, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. Yep. Um, that it? Oh, wait.

Oh, and check out Dan's, uh, Dan's, uh, Dan's channel, right? Artap Dan. I have two of them now. I have Ardab Dan, my prison consulting channel. And then I also have another one, which I kind of picked up one of your ideas over there. Yeah, which I stole from. So I stole from soft white underbelly and you're stealing from me. It's fine.

It's just trickle down. But listen, by the third or fourth guy, like it'll, it'll, people won't even, it'll be it'll be nothing like. If I'll send you a link, you'll share it. Yeah, we'll put it in there. What's it called, though? Perfectly. Well, the channel is called Wise Media Group because we do a bunch of things, but what you're

talking about, perfectly broken, where we do the interviews with people that have overcome adversity and you're confused. Yeah, I do because I thought it was a separate YouTube channel. Nope, nope. So Wise Media Group and Ardab Dan are two different YouTube channels. Wise Media Group is the one that I do my interviews with like business entrepreneurs. Okay. And then also I do the interviews on there.

On the same channel? Yeah. I just create playlists. I didn't know if it was going to be something that I was going to stick with or not. So now that I've got a few videos, I'm probably going to upload to a separate channel. Yeah. But monetizing these channels is just a pain in the ass. Yeah.

Unless you cheat the system. Yeah. Which I don't advocate. All right. All right. With that said, I appreciate you got. Who is it? Buyakasha.

Boiakasha. I appreciate you guys watching. and if you like the video do me a favor and hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this and leave a comment in the comment section and I'm gonna leave all of Dan's uh Dan's links in the I'm not really gonna do it probably Colby's gonna do it but or Connor in the in the description thing and also check out my Patreon I sell paintings and I have books that's pretty much it I appreciate it See you.