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He's in there for murder. He goes, but there is a way I can get out. He goes, if somebody kills the witness, he goes, would you do it? I was like, I'm in jail. How can I do it? He goes, what What happens if we can get you out of it? I was a young kid trying to do work so much, taking care of a girl with a kid. A guy comes to me and says, would you like to make some more extra money? Right. I say yeah, no problem. He goes, I get weed from Arizona sent here in a car.

What we do is we would buy the car, you know, buy the car, but we're really buying the pot that's in the car. Right. We started off 100 pounds a month, and then we worked our way all the way to 100 pound. I was averaging 100 pounds a day. That's what we were getting. We would bag it and everything and sell it. The car would come at night into a building, and we would take everything out of it.

And my other friend, he would pack everything up for us. He was the main seller. I was just the person, the middleman. All right. As that's happening, I ended up getting more of addiction with the perks. Because I'm making more money. I'm taking more. So I end up doing 30s, 1530s a day I'm up to.

Okay. I need three just to get out of bed. I stopped. This is for three years. I'm doing this. All of a sudden, I'm like, I can't sell the weed anymore. Right. I was just getting nervous, you know, doing it, you know?

But I didn't save any money from doing this. I just kept spending the money because I have a $2,000. a week. Habit. At this point? Yes. Yes. 2000 a week just in the, just in the perks, the 30s. Right. I end up stopped doing that. I go work for a bread company selling bread, delivering at night. So date, you, you stop selling? I stopped selling altogether. Well, I mean, is there a reason? Just, somebody get busted? Were you scared? No, I was just getting, I was just getting scared, Matt. I just, I was getting really scared doing it. I stopped doing it. The people that I stopped working, with, they thought I was

stopped because I was going to wrap. Right. So they kept calling my house, you know, and I'm like, dude, I'm just, I just don't want to deal with this anymore. Because I was making good money at the brick company. Right. You know, even though it wasn't enough to cover my habit,

eventually I was thinking I would stop doing the perks and, you know. So I stopped doing that. And then one morning, I get a call, the girl that I was dating at the time. She's like, you need to get home right away. There's bullet holes in our house. That night, so the night before, a guy comes to my door and knocks on my door. There's like a window with a blind.

I lift a blind. I go, hello? And he goes, is Mike Oresco there? I'm just looking at him. He's got a hoodie on with the hoodie, and his hands are in his pockets. I'm like, I don't even say, I go, he goes, do you know where he lives? And I just go. Right.

And he goes, okay. I call the cops. Right. I'm like, I don't know. A guy just came to my house. He looks sketchy. Yeah. The cops come.

They were like, there's nobody here. What, you know. What do you want us to do? Yeah. We can take a report. So I end up leaving. I go to work. I don't know.

You work at night or something? I worked at night. Okay, okay. I just had a weird feeling. I told the girl that I was dating with her kid. I go, why don't you go to your parents' house? I go, I just have a weird feeling. So she goes.

home that morning to get ready for work and to bring the kids to school. She's like, you need to get home right away. There's bullet holes everywhere in the house, in the TV, everywhere. I get there. There's cops everywhere. Somebody shot my house up with an AK-47 16 times. Okay, listen. How serious.

I mean, it sounds like you're selling, you're selling bud. you're I mean and then you decide I don't like is it it's not like you got arrested no

the cops are never questioning you or there's an investigation like these guys are so what you don't want to sell like who give the fuck like what

how serious are they the guy that was a head the guy that was in charge he was very paranoid right like he thought I was like no dude

I was like dude I really don't I don't want nothing to do with this anymore I was just yeah I was just getting a lot you know because I was putting it in my car.

And my friend that came into my car, he goes, Mike, your car stinks of bud. You get pulled over. This is bad. And, you know, I thought about that for a few months. I'm like, he's right, you know. Especially I'm with a girl. She's got a kid.

She has no idea that I'm doing this. Okay. She really has, you know, she just thinks I'm making good money, you know, doing produce and bread. Right. So I get to the house. There's cops everywhere. I can't even go up the driveway.

So I park my car next door, I run up. They come, and they're searching my body for the gang tattoos. I was like, I'm not in a gang. They're like, do you know who did this? At first I'm like, no, I have no idea. Because at first, I really didn't know who did this. Right. You know, I didn't know that this would come to this, you know?

So I'm thinking, thinking, thinking, she comes to me, she goes, you need to tell them the truth. He goes, because this is bad. So I do tell them the truth. But not right away. I don't tell them. So they keep bringing me in, bringing me in, asking me, do you know who did this? Do you know who did this?

I keep saying no, no, no. So she goes to live with our parents. I go live with my parents. We're still together, though, at the time. We were still together. So at the time, I got a new phone. I never activated the voicemail. So I just so happened to do it.

This was like three days after. I just so having to do it, I get a voicemail from the guy that I was selling the bud for. He goes, we're going to kill you. If you don't come back here, if you knew you to tell us what you're doing. I never heard that voicemail before. Right. Until then, three days after. So I showed the cops the voicemail.

Because they showed me a lineup of the guy. Because they thought they knew who it was. Right. I knew the guy as soon as I saw him But I was like no no He's not there So as soon as like This was the first day

Three days after I started talking to them I knew the number Of what the guy You know One through eight But The guy on the picture

Yeah Yeah They showed eight different people I knew right away What number he was Right I didn't have to see it again Yeah

It was like you remember So you knew Yeah I never forget It was number eight I'll never forget it I remember his face So yeah, so they end up doing a big investigation.

But for some reason, they never brought me in for, they only brought me into the grand jury, but they never brought me in to testify for some reason. Right. I never knew that why. They didn't do that. But so the thing is, the weird thing is that out of all of us that did it, the time the trial came, one guy, Anthony, he ends up going to jail.

the head guy. Right. He ended up ratting on the shooter. The shooter end up getting 20 years. Was the shooter the main guy that was threatening you? Or that he had somebody else to it? He had somebody else to it. The thing is this, after the guy Anthony got out of jail, he ended up getting out of jail early. I talked to him after. He was like, Mike, I never sent him to shoot. I have no idea why he, you know what I mean? I never believed them, though. Because you threat me on a voicemail, you're dummy. Yeah. You know? But, um, he- Yeah, it's hard to believe you when you say, We're going to fucking kill you. Yeah, exactly, you know.

The next day of my house gets shot up by one of your buddies. Man, the bullet holes were like this. They were huge. They went from one, they went from the top of the house all the way to the backyard, right through to the backyard. That's how strong they were. Right. And he did it from at least 10 feet away, 20 feet away, he was. These weren't warning shots, right?

No, man. Anybody's in the house. There's going to be a... If the girl and kid was in bed, they would have... They went right through the frame and everything. Oh, an AK-47 is horribly deadly. Yeah. But for those three days, I mean, I just kept, like, they were in the back of my head.

But I'm like, hey, why would they shoot out my house? You know what I mean? Right. So. So I do have a question. Did you tell the police I was selling for these guys? Yeah, so they ended up. Did you break it down to explain?

They ended up telling me, they were like, listen. At first I told them it was over money. Right. It was over $800. but they were like, nobody's going to shoot a house of $800. I don't know why. I just kept trying to leave the weed out. Yeah, yeah.

So, like, they made me sign a paper saying that they would not charge me with anything other than if I murdered somebody. You know, so I told them the story that we would get 100 pounds of weed, you know. It wasn't every day, but that's what we averaged out selling. And we would come from a car from Arizona. They asked me, do you know who the guy's name? And I was like, I don't know who the guy is in Arizona. I was like, I don't know.

I never met him. The middleman. The guy Anthony knows everybody, you know. So I just told him the truth. I was like, you know, I was selling weed, this and that. They were like, so where's the money? I was like, I have a drug problem. There is no money.

Right. I was like, it gets spent on, you know, it gets, I'm spending it before I even get it. Right. So, so the kid, the guy Anthony, he goes to jail. He doesn't, he gets, he gets, no. I'm sorry. He ends up going on Jeff only five years because he ends up testifying on the shooter. When I was locked up, I thought a lot about home-cooked meals. Now that I'm free, I try to enjoy them as much as I can. That's why I like, Hello Fresh. It makes cooking easy, even if you're busy. The meals are simple, they taste great, and they bring everyone to the table.

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Well, no, that makes sense. What doesn't make sense is him saying, I didn't send him to shoot it up. Well, then how are you testifying against him? Obviously, you're testifying that, yeah, this is the shooter. I know I sent him. So the shooter ends up getting 20 years. And on the stand,

And the only thing he said was, you know, the judge asked, do you have any last words? He shouts out. He doesn't even say my name. He goes, you know, the guy Anthony is a rat. That's the only thing he said to him. The judge asked him, you have any last words, you know, whatever it is. They ask him.

And this is Boston. Yeah. Like, they're fucking hardcore in Boston. So I ended up. Yeah, ratting. Yeah, I ended a rat in that case, you know. I like cooperation. Yes, yes.

Fine. So I move on. No. Nobody that hates me and yells at me about this, they never use cooperation. It's always snitch or rat, but that's fine. You know, it's funny, too. Nobody even knows that I actually told in that case either.

Well, I don't get, like, the guy shoot. What is your alternative? I'm going to go fucking, well, I'm going to go grab a gun, and I'm going to go to their fucking house. You don't even know who shot him up, but it doesn't matter. Like, what am I, you got a girlfriend and a fucking kid? I'm not, I'm trying to get out of this,

and you guys are shooting my house up. So they didn't even know that I was doing that until I told the offices. They didn't even know that I was selling anything until them. But they told me, they were like, thank God you said something, because we were going to lock you up because we found, you know, they found scales in the back of my garage. Right. I was like, what are you going to do?

It's just scales. They didn't find any, because no bud was ever at the house. Right. Because she didn't even know that I was doing it. Right. I ended up meeting another girl We started dating three years I ended up trying to

I do get clean I get back on doing the perks and stuff And I'm a maniac I'm very violent right off the rip Whenever I'm on them So she had money to the girl She told me At the time I was working

She was like I don't want you to work I just want you to stay home Cook clean Take care of the dogs I'll give you $3.50 a week and I'm like Gets me a car right off the rip 350 Z

right off the rip I'm like wow this is great so I end up doing that I'm with her for I'm sorry I was with her for two years okay

we break up you know because I'm just I'm not gonna lie I really am too much when I'm on them you know I'm just violent

crazy was zero to 100 really quick so I was a violent person you know right I was a violent person

So then we break up I go move back with my parents I rent from them But we're still together How old are you at this point? This was 2011 So I think I'm like 25, 26 All right

So We're still talking But you know We're just living separate She said for now We gotta do this until you get better You know She thinks I'm getting clean though

Because I did cut down Yeah. You know, so, but I'm, I'm only on the five milligrams. I'm not taking the 30s anymore. You know, so, I mean, I did cut down then. You're a whole bad problem. On the mend. Did you try and go to a rehab or anything?

So this is the thing, right? She wanted me to get off, but she didn't want me to get on, like, suboxin or something. So she, you know, and the thing was this. She would keep me quiet. She would, like, why don't you just drink instead? She would buy me liquor instead. I'm like, isn't that, like, the same thing? Right. It's just, you're just supplementing one addiction for a mile.

So I ended up, I ended up, one night, somebody gives me some, I couldn't find perks anywhere for some reason. Somebody goes, I had something just, just like it. It's called Molly. Okay. Which I find out after it's not the same. But he goes, you put in this capsule and then you can, you know, take it like a pill. Yeah. The math for three days, I'm blacked out. I have no idea. Like, somebody told me after that I ended up going to their house sitting on their deck for three hours ringing the doorbell and then as soon as they did answer the door I'm like hey what's up and I just walked away like that's how messed up I was this girl she ends up she's at a friend's

house I get a ladder I put it to the the second floor window and I go through the second floor window come back down I move the ladder and I end up staying in a in a in the the guest bedroom, just staying in there for a whole day. She comes home. We get in a really bad argument, really bad. That'll upset some people. I think so. We end up getting a really bad argument, Matt.

Like, it was bad. And, you know, I don't really know what I did. She said that I grabbed her by the neck and strangled her. Right. I mean, I don't see me doing that, but she said I did that, you know. we end up going upstairs. After I do what she says, we go upstairs to her mother's bedroom.

Her mother lived with her. And she screams to her mother, call the cops. So I run down the stairs, I grab the car keys, I take her car. So as I'm leaving, the cops are coming.

They're passing me. I'm pet, you know. I go hide. I go to a city in the produce market where I used to work. I had there for a few hours. And I'm like, I can't stay here anymore.

I was like, I got to go somewhere else. I got to call up another girl that I used to know. I'll stay with her for a little bit. I didn't want to call my parents. As I'm driving, my mother calls me, and she said, Mike, the house is surrounded by cops? Is this something you want to tell me? I'm like, nah, ma, nothing's wrong.

I got to go. I hang up the phone. As I'm driving, I go to a city called Davis, Massachusetts. I'm driving. A cop stops me. I pull into a parking lot. Is this still in the girl's car? Yes, still in the girl's car.

I was in the car the whole time, just sitting there thinking. Because I don't know if I'm, like, coming to, or I just start remembering, like, what the fuck did I just do? Right. You know? Like, Matt, like, she said I strength. I don't, I don't remember doing that. Right. You know, I remember arguing.

I remember that I grabbed her like this and pushed her out of the way. Because if I strangled her, I can't understand why we went upstairs then to her mother's room, you know? but I don't know so I send up I go to Danvers I'm going to the girl's house now this other girl so let's just stay with her for a little bit

the car pulls me over I go into a parking lot pull the car and park the car comes up obviously stolen you know they didn't know for like a couple hours that the car was stolen anyways so I could have been driving around the whole time

I could have you know but I pull the car in park a cop pulls up this gun and goes, if you move up, blow your brains out. I'm like, okay, okay. I'm crying now. I start right off the rip. As soon as the cops, I start telling him everything.

I start telling him everything, Matt. And he puts the cuffs on me, puts me back of the car. We go to the police station. Now, I don't know what they're charging me with yet. They won't tell me. They go, we got away from Malden to come pick you up, because that's where the case is out of, Malden. So I'm there for a couple of hours.

The cops come pick me up. They still won't tell me what's good. We got to get to bring you to the police station. We go to the police station. You know, they start doing your fingerprints and all that. They go, they're charging you, an attempted murder, B&E at night. And something else, I forget. Oh, theft, the car?

Yeah, there you go. Yeah, there you go, the car. So they start, so they, I stopped bawling my eyes, oh, crying. You know, because, I mean, other than the bud situation, I'd never been in trouble. You know what I mean? So I called my mother. You weren't really in trouble then either.

You didn't get in trouble. Yeah. So I call my mother. It's the phone. I don't know if you had them in your, it was, you had to keep the button on hold, but it was a speaker to call the number. Did you have that in your jail?

No. Well, this was the jail in the police station. So I'm calling my mother. And I stop all my, and she goes, where they're charging you with. I go, mom, attempted murder. And I'm crying.

She's like, you've got to be strong. You got to be strong, you know? Because most of my uncles, they've been to prison. Right. Right. You know, addiction runs in the family, you know? So I go to court the next day. Oh, I forgot.

I have no shirt. They took my shirt for DNA evidence. Okay. Which, I have no idea. Because it's only a, it's only attempted. to, you know, I think to say, you know, because I kept at the first, I said I didn't do it. Right. After I told the cop that I did do it.

Yeah. When we got to that, I was like, no, no, no, I didn't do anything. So he took my tank top. I got no shirt. I'm about to go in front of Judge Johnson. He's the worst judge to go in front of on top of it. So a kid throws me a shirt. He goes, put this on.

You don't want to go in front of Judge Johnson like that. Right. So the lawyer said, what do you want to do? He goes, we can do the insanity plea. He goes, because I think there's some problems here. I'm like, all right, we'll do that. Let's try that. No, no, I'm sorry.

At first I'm saying, just tell him I'm guilty right away. They go, no, it doesn't work like that. Yeah, you say you're not guilty. Yeah, he goes, no, no, no, I did it. And he's like, no, we can't do that. Then that goes, why don't we do the plaintiffs instead? I'm like, all right, we'll do that. She's there, you know.

Obviously. They give a restraining order also. So I go to Bridgewater. It's a state prison, but it's for mental institution. When he gets in front of the judge, does your lawyer say it? Like, we'd like to have him evaluated for a mental? Yes. They don't immediately say, we're going to sleep guilty under reason of insanity. They're going to say, we'd like to send him for a mental evaluation.

Yes. Yes. Sorry. They do that. I'm there for 14 days. I get to court and they tell me So I'm there for 14 How was that?

Crazy So I'm scared I've never been I've never been to jail present anything So the kids in the tank that I was with They're like don't drink the Kool-A Don't drink the I was like what does that mean They're like you know you know

I was like no I really don't know I haven't eaten in days either I'm starving you know they give you those cheap sandwiches You know the bologna sandwiches That thing was the greatest thing in the world At that time I love the baloney things So I, um, there's only another kid, there's only one other kid coming with me up there.

He's on the other side of the bus, you know, the van. Yeah. So he goes, buddy, when we get in there, we got to be together. I'm like, all right, all right, that sounds good. That sounds good. First thing we get in there, right? He stops trying to fight the cops. They beat the crap out of him.

I'm like, I'm definitely not what this dude. Right. They hold you in a little jail. Nope like this, a little thing with bars. naked in front of all the cops. They're walking by, see women. Like, this is embarrassed.

This is horrible. They put me in a single cell all by myself. The next morning, this is funny. The next morning we go to breakfast, right? I don't want to eat the food. It looks disgusting. These two kids end up getting a fight.

One kid beats the kid with a cop. Like beats them. There's blood everywhere. I go back to my tray, right? The sea goes, when did you get strawberries? I looked down. It was pieces of his head.

It looked like strawberries, Matt. In my cereal. You can get another one if you want. I was like, I just don't even want nothing. I don't know. It's just crazy. The cops beat you there, man. I've never, I mean, I've been to jail after that.

I've never seen it like this. They beat the crap out of the kids in there. It's a mental hospital, though, right? Like, there's no such thing as a whole. No. If you fight somebody, you go back to the same block with them. They don't separate anybody. There's a lot of...

They're mentally ill. They're mentally ill inmates. Like, I'm sure they're extremely rowdy, right? Like, there's probably... Every day there's a fight. Right. Every day. More than one. As opposed to when you go to prison, you realize, like, it's not that bad.

You have to bring it on yourself. I mean, mentally ill patients will attack each other for no fucking reason at all. Yeah. It was crazy. There was one kid in there. He was in there for lighting his father on fire and watching it. Like, I was like, this is crazy. I was like, I don't belong here.

I mean, I probably did at the time, but. So we go to court. I get a, the judge, the lawyer comes down, he goes, we got you a personal with an ankle bracelet. I was happy. We got you what? An personal, a P.R. Oh, okay.

With an ankle bracelet. I can get out. I'm getting up. Oh, okay. A personal. I don't know what that means. You mean like a bond? Yeah, it's no bill.

Okay. They gave me no bill. All right, so it's like ROR. We'll let you out on your own recognizance. Yes, we call it a personal. Okay. I'm sorry. We call it a personal there, so I was very happy.

Because my uncle, he came there with 40 grand, like thinking I was gonna, you know. And they were like with a personal, so I was happy. I get home. The next day, my buddy calls me. My buddy calls me. He goes, the girl wants to talk to you. Now, I'm not supposed to have no communication with her. Right.

What's the first thing I say? I'm like, yeah, of course. Let's talk. We need to get her to drop those charges. She calls her, she goes, I don't want to press the charges anymore. She goes, we can still work this out. So she keeps coming over. Now, I'm clean now.

In those 14 days I was in there, I got clean. Yeah. So after a week, I start taking perks again. Because that seems like a good idea. Of course. She finds out, it calls the cops on me. So I go back to,

it's all bad. All bad. I go to jail. I go back to, so whenever you violate a restraining over there, you get 120 days until they want to charge you, you know, until they figure out what they didn't.

Yes. Done. Okay. So I got 120 days. So I do 120 days. I get back. But this time it's in the jail. not the...

Yes, I'm sorry. It's in the jail. Bill Rika. So I go there for... Now, I'm terrified because I know about the bud that I ratted on somebody. I thought that people would know.

I don't know. For some reason, I just thought people would know. Okay. You know? But no, like, it was all right. You know, nobody knew. I was like, I kept asking for the person

that I knew Anthony Raddon, the person I shut my house up. Yeah, but you're also in jail. These guys are in prison. I didn't know the difference, Matt. Okay. Like, that's how I didn't know. How green you were?

Yes, I didn't know any of this stuff. So, and they're like, no, no, no. They're like, what did he do? I was like, ah, I think he shot somebody's house up. And they're like, no, then he would be, he would be, you know, they told me he'd be in Shirley, Charlie Max. That's where, you know. The violent, like, that's like a pen. Yeah.

Yeah. So I get out of jail. Again, I do 120 days. to give me a bail, it was like $5,000. I pay it back on the ankle bracelet. I'm on strict only work and that working back home. And I had to see a psychiatrist,

the mandatory that I had to see a psychiatrist. So that's the only time I could leave the house. So my friend, same friend calls me, she goes, hey, she wants to talk to you again. Seems like a good idea. It worked out great last time. Yeah. I'm like, all right. Are you clean again?

Yeah, I'm clean again. I never did anything. anything in jail. No, never touched a drug in jail. Well, one time I did and one of the CEOs told my cellmate, get him back in the cell right away, please. I was bouncing on the, it was an Adderall. I was, P. C.O. Noel, I'll never forget. He was like, get him back in the cell right away, please, because a white shirt was coming. Right. Was it a lieutenant? Yeah, lieutenant, yeah. Get him in the cell right away. I was bouncing up and down. So I get out. she wants to contact me.

She goes, you need to get clean. She goes, this is not going to work if you don't get clean. I'm like, yeah, all right, no problem. Again, I'm out for a couple of weeks. I go back on drugs. She calls the cops again. By the third, same thing. Go back.

She's not enabling you at all. She's not having it. 120 days again. I get back out. Same thing to give me more. I think it went up to 10 grand. 10 grand, ankle bracelet. I get back out.

This time she doesn't want to contact me. I'm like, yeah, no problem. Whatever. But I get so bad in the perks, I just keep calling her, Matt. I'm like, nah, not, we can work this out. I'm clean again. I'm clean again.

But you're not? No, definitely not. I'm not as bad as the perk 30s, but. Yeah, it's still bad. Yeah, it's still late in that. So she wants nothing to do with me. She finds out that I'm buying it again.

because my buddy tells her. I go to jail again. This was, this is the third time. Right? Yeah, third time. I'll go back to jail again. Finally, no, I'm sorry.

I get out one more time. Matt, I got out October 28th. I was back, October 30th. The CEO, when I walk in, he's like, oh, Arresco, you're in the wrong line. You've been, you're here. I go, no, no, no, no. I hit the streets.

He goes, what? I go, I hit the street. I told you a couple days ago. I hit the streets on Wednesday. I'm back on by Friday. He was like, what? I was like, yeah, I got some time shit here, I got. So Matt, right there and then I was like, I'm done.

I'm not going to contact her anymore. But they don't give me just 120 days because while I was out, I settled on the stolen car case, one year probation. But between that time, I should already violate it twice. because I, but she never violated me. She didn't even know. It was unsupervised. Because I kept paying, I paid it right off the rip.

My mother, my mother paid it in like two payments. You know, you're supposed to pay $30 a month for the probation fee? Yeah. That was already paid. She didn't even know until the third time I violated. Your probation officer. Yes, my probation officer. Never even met her in my life.

I didn't even know who the heck she was. Also, but at that time, I'm like, I'm done. But they're not holding me just in 120 days. They hold, this time they held me for $150. I don't know why. I forget why $150. So while I'm in there, I meet this kid, Adam. He's in there for murder.

We're both coming in the D-block at the same time. First cell they give us, there's no air conditioner. Because there's air conditioner 24-7 in Bill Rock. Bill Rooker 365 a year. Air conditioner's on. Right. Because it kills the germs, they said. Right.

We're freezing. But I like, I like cold. Yeah. So I get him as a cellmate. He, first thing he says is, I can't be in the cell. There's no air conditioner. I'm in here for murder.

I can't take this. First thing he says, my sister was just murdered two days ago. Do you think I can put up with this? I'm like, oh my God, what did they put me in here with? So we get a new cell. We start talking. He tells me he's in there for murder.

I tell him what I'm in here for. He's like, dude, you got to stay here from that girl, man. So there's a kid on the block. He's in there for the eyebird. Right. He's in there for that. So there were all the whites that deciding who's going to take him out.

Now, I want to get out of that cell bad. So I'm like, I'll do it. Because that's how bad I want to get out of that cell with this kid. Right. So, by the way, he's not only the head of the block, all of a sudden. He's also the head of the bloods. Okay. So he's like, you really want to do this?

I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's two tiers. We're not all at the same time. One tier comes out, goes back in another tier. But the kid that they want out of the block, he's on the second tier. So I have to ask for a plunger to be able to get out of the cell to go get it to if I can do it, to for I can take this kid out. So I go ask for a plunger. I go back into the cell.

I'm nervous. I'm like, give me a pot tot really quick. He's like, what? I go, I got to eat something. something really quick if I go into the hole this Thanksgiving weekend I'll never forget and I eat the pot-tot and I go all right see oh I got to bring the plungeer back so I bring the plunger back the kid is facing this way like I am and I walk up to him I punch him I stop beating the shit out of them so they take me I go to the I go to the

hole I'm there for what do they do they blow the whistle the cops come in and grab you guys like did he put up a fight no no No. I was pummeling him. I made him get back up. And he came at me. I suck at me. I really didn't suck him. I just, you know, punched him. He put his fist up, but he didn't throw at me. Right. So they come in like crazy.

Now, I'm pumped. I go, next time I tell you to leave, you leave. I don't know why. I said that because I didn't even tell him to leave. I was just, you know, you're traveling, you know. So I go to the hole. They put you in the hole for 10 days. It was Thanksgiving. It was the Thanksgiving week. So they tell me where do you want to go? I want to go back to that block only because I know everybody that's on that block. What cell do they put me in?

His cell again. It's not very smart. Yeah, the COs are not the brightest balls. The kid with the bloods. Yeah, yeah. Put me in his cell. Oh, I thought you meant the guy you just beat up. No, no, no.

I'm sorry. They put me back in the cell. Same cell you didn't want to be in with that kid. Yeah. Yeah. He already had a cellie until then. But when he found out the day I was getting out, he kicked the cell. He kicked that kid out.

to get me back in that cell. He likes you. He did. He thinks you guys are buddy. You can't stand him. No, it cannot stand him. So I get, so I get out I go to that cell.

I'm like, oh, my God, are you serious? So I get back in this kid, he goes, dude, that was crazy. Because he wanted to do it. And I'm the one who said, no, no, no, I'll take this kid. I'll take this kid.

I'll take this kid out. And so I'm in, so we start talking. We've become best friends, Matt, like, like best friends. I'm in there the whole time with this kid. We've talked,

so I was like, so what are you going to do in your case? Because his case has, there's four people, the driver, the two people that went in the house to rob, they were robing somebody for bud.

Okay. And then there's two, no, I'm sorry. The guy that killed his sister. No, he didn't kill his sister. I'm sorry. Somebody killed his sister and left.

her in the street. Okay, but he's being charged with it. No, no, no, I'm sorry. I shouldn't. He said that part about the sister was because he was so stressed out. He couldn't be in a cell without air conditioning. Somebody actually killed him, killed an hour, his sister, and he's Boston. Okay.

And he's in there for killing somebody else. Okay. I'm sorry. So two days before he got moved to that block, somebody outward his sister and killed her and left her in the street. All right. And that's why he was just so stressed out. That's why he said, I can't be in a cell without an air conditioner.

My sister was just killed. Right. I don't know why. That's the first thing he said. But so he was in there for him and for the people were going to rob a drug dealer for marijuana. Okay. I'm sorry, bud. About 10 pounds of it.

Two people are in the car. Two people go in. They put up a fight to people that they're robbing by accident. He shoots and kills one of the people, one of the people. one of the dealers. Yeah. He gets charged with, they all get charged,

all four of them get charged with it. Right, yeah. You're all there. Yeah. So I'm in the cell with him. He starts telling me his story. I know his cousin that's getting charged also with the crime

because I was in, the last time I was in jail with him, with his cousin. So I kind of know about the case. So he goes, so I go, what are you going to do about this? You know,

he was, you know, I'm trying to see what he's going to do because there was rumors that he ratted eventually and then took it back, that he was going to rat, then he took some of the stuff he said back. But he said, you know, we're all going to court. He's the last one to go to court. Two other people already got charged.

The driver got 10 years. The other person got life. And the cousin ends up getting life. So he starts telling me about what he's going to do. He's just going to take it, you know. And he's the one that shot him. Yes. So everybody else is getting life,

and they weren't actually the actual shooter. He's got major problems. Yes. So I go, you're never going to see your kids again. He's got three kids, you know? That's what we just do, you know? He goes, but there is a way I can get out. He goes, if somebody kills the witness.

So I go, who's the witness? He goes, the witness is his female cousin that told him about the drug dealer. with all the bud. That's the witness. He's saying. So he's going to trial. Everybody else is pled guilty. Are they all cooperating against him? No, nobody is. Nobody except for the cousin. The cousin. The female cousin that said, yes, because they were, they avenger, originally was going to charge her too with it. Right. But she gets, she gets immunity because she tells everything that happened. And she's going to cooperate against him. Yes. She's already done it so far with the other three people.

So he goes, there is a way I can get out. And then he goes, he goes, you know, I'd pay somebody to do it, you know. So he goes, so I'm like, wow, you know. But I'll get somebody $2,000 a week to do it. Because his family, I don't know why he was even robbing a deal because his family's got money. Yeah. They own a big roofing company out of Linde, you know. So I didn't even know why he even did that, you know.

Some people just, they get in that lifestyle And they think it's cool You can give them all the chances in the world But they're just stuck in that lifestyle You know? I mean, like he's part of a gang and everything And you know what's crazy? All four of those people are all parted

Four different gangs That robbed the deal That's the weirdest part One's a crit One's a G One's this one's a blood Doing their own thing So he says

You know we can You know he goes Would you do it? I was like I'm in jail. How can I do it? Right. It was what happens if we can get you out of it? Because, man, at the time, my lawyer is like, listen, we can get you two to three years,

you know, because, you know, she doesn't want to press charges, really. Right. So, but I don't, Matt, you know, at first I was okay with doing the time, but then I was like, I don't really do this time. What the hell, man? I don't. How much more time do you have? How much have you been locked up?

Is it been six months yet or a year? Three months? So I did four months, four months, you know, because I kept getting out. Yeah, but you can't, you don't count that towards, those were, those were violations based on the, violating the restraining order. Do those count towards your? Yeah, they would, yes, they count that. Okay. So they were.

So you're going to get two or three years. You've already done a year and change, right? Yeah. Roughly or a year or so. But, you know, the first number that came back at me was like eight to 15. Yeah, that's what they do. That's scary you. Oh, I was terrifying, you know?

So he goes, what happens to we can get you out of jail? Now, he doesn't know that when I get out, I'm on an ankle bracelet. Right. So I'm just going with it. I'm like, if I can get out, why not? Yeah. He goes, what happens if I give you some information? You go to the cops.

You tell me you're cooperating, and you can get out. So I go, I don't know. what I, you know, because what happens if I come back? He goes, I say, you can never come back here. But I already put it back in my head that I was never going to talk to that girl again. And, you know, and at this time I'm clean, you know, I put it in my head then that I wasn't going to touch a drug again. Right. You know, so I think about it.

He goes, why don't we think about it? And I'm thinking about it. I'm like, let's do it, you know. Yeah, what's the information he's got? So the information he got was The other glove Because they only found one glove But there's another glove

But it was a glove that His family planted Like it doesn't have his DNA on it Right You know, but And he ends up telling me where the gun is But that information I'm not supposed to tell the cops You know what I mean?

Is it because he wants to use that gun? Yes Okay I'll tell you where the gun is so you can use it. Yes. And then it definitely doesn't look like him. Somebody out there with the same gun that killed this guy is still killing people.

The real killer must be out there. So Matt, we sat there for every night and we would talk about the plan because he wanted me. His family, before the cousin testified, the family gave her money to open up a restaurant just for her not to testify. But she ended up backing on it anyways. So he knows where she's going to be, this and that, you know. So every night we would talk, he would tell me we would think of, he always wanted to know a plant, he always wanted to know how I was going to do it, when I was going to do it, this and that, you know,

because he ended up finding out, you know, he can't obviously bring a phone with you because that's how he ended up getting caught. They said they found the phone. Yeah, they triangulated it. He was at that specific location. Yeah, which. His was the, his phone, though, really wasn't in that area, though. Because he kept telling me, he goes, Mike, I left the phone blocks away, but they still, I don't know.

They're still saying it. Yeah. So every night we would talk about the way we would do it. And, um. What are you supposed to do? Go to the, go to the restaurant. Go to the restaurant. At when it's about to close.

Go in with a mask, what I'm asking, everything. Shoot her and her husband. because he knows information too. Right. And then walk out. Right. You know, he told me, put tape on the gun. I go, what's the tape for?

He goes, I don't know. I saw it in the Godfather. Oh, God. It's supposed to be not leave Prince, right? Like if you wrap it and then it won't leave prints. But at this day and age, what it will do is leave your DNA. So now you're definitely leaving DNA on the tape. So I end up getting a new lawyer because the lawyer that I had,

they eventually find out that through channels that at one time in the girl that I was dating his divorce to her ex-husband somebody represented her. Conflict of interest. Yes. So I end up getting a new lawyer. Right. So I go in there and I finally tell him, listen, I got information on a murder. He goes, well, you do know if you give the DA, everything doesn't mean that you're going

to get a good deal. You know what I mean? they'll consider it. They'll consider it. Yeah. You know? So I get, I end up, I don't get out yet. I end up, finally, the probation officer violates me after six months of me being in jail.

She finally finds out that I'm in jail. She violates me. So I go to a, I go to a PBD Mass court. She tries to violate me for 18 months. Judge goes, he's bid in for six months. you finally realized he was in jail. He was like, I'm just going to give him another six months. Right.

So I ended up getting a sentence to another jail. But before I went to that jail, me and this kid, you know, to write letters to each other, we had code words. You know, gun was bedroom set. Killing was snow. You know, where are my gloves? Come on, heat. Any day now? Winter is hard, but your groceries don't have to be.

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and his mother would send it to him because you can't send jail to jail. Yeah. So he goes, you know, because he doesn't know that I, that I'm, he doesn't know why I'm locked up at a different jail. Because I didn't know I was going to get time. I just thought she would, they would give time served since I already got six months in. She wanted a year, you know, I was only on year on probation. You know, I didn't know I was going to get sentenced to another jail. So I'm sentenced there.

So I get out, so I end up having a conference with, I end up having a problem with a kid and a gang. a white gang in there they're called C-dubs I end up saying something because they're extorting a younger kid you know a little scrawny kid so I finally say something to them I'm like you know why you

know this kid he doesn't have you know he's a little kid leave him alone he was only 18 years old the kid he was scrawny he was five feet right so they end up jumping me and I go to the hole so I go to the hole

and now I'm in there I'm supposed to be I supposed to get six months in there. So I go to the hole. They only give you five days in the hole there. Then you go, and I say, I want to go back to the same block that I was in. They go, you can't go there. They want to kill you.

I was like, no, no, no, I want to go back there. Because Matt, while I was in the hole, you only go on the weekends to take a shower. They were, they jumped me in there in the hole, too. Because they're also in the hole. Yeah. So I go to the nurses, my face is like this. nurse goes, wasn't you just here three days ago for getting beat up? I was like, yeah.

My face was huge. So I refused to go, because they want to put me to PC. I'm like, I'm not going to PC. They were like, give me a minute. They come back a few hours later. They go, you're released tomorrow. Matt, I'm not even supposed to be a relief. Released to the street?

To the street. Okay. I call my mother. She comes to pick. I go back to court. They put the ankle bracelet on me. All right. So while I'm out, his parents.

parents are paying him. He had $1,000 a week because that was, well, the deal was two, but $1,000 until, so I'm getting $1,000. Until it's done. Yes. So I let it slip because I didn't tell him I was going to be on an ankle bracelet. Matt, I'm just doing this to be on the street. Right. I wasn't going to do. You know what I mean? I just wanted to get out, you know? So I let it slip in a letter that I was on an ankle bracelet So he goes how are you gonna do if you're on an ankle bracelet now? I've totally forgot that I So he goes I got it to somebody else that can do it But then you got to take him out after he does it So it was before he was gonna take you out after you did it

Now you're gonna take him out after it's Matt It's like the remember the the robbery in the the the um Batman with a Joker They're all dressed up As they all as jokers He shoots the one guy And then he finishes his thing He gets shot and then the next guy shoots him

Man back in my head the whole time I go if I ever did this this kid would He's a man This kid was crazy First thing you wanted to do any time Somebody did something he didn't like He wanted to kill him He's like you know what I do in the street dude

I was like I don't I forgot to mention This kid had already beat a murder case before I forgot to mention that. And his family's backing him up. Like they have to know. They got money. Like they got to.

Yeah, but you still, you got to be a little concerned. Like my son's going to get me involved in a fucking murder conspiracy here. He's killing people. I can't keep paying people. Oh, I got this guy that's getting out. You got to send him $2,000 a week

until he's doing something for me. I don't think so. I don't think so. Before I got, before I got sentenced, you know, to the other jail that I, for the stolen car case, he was sending money to my,

house already I didn't know I come home my mother gives me an envelope it's like three grand on it I go what is this she goes I don't know some woman keeps coming to the house bringing it I'm like all right so it must be so he gets somebody else so I'm supposed to meet this person to give them a gun so I finally tell my judge I finally tell my lawyer hey listen I'm the whole time I'm giving them information that he gave me you know what I mean where the gloves is he told me what else do he told me some times and stuff that where they met and stuff the things little things i was given them you know right so the authorities are already aware

this is going on yes i yes yes i told my lawyer and my lawyer told them but they don't know that they don't know that i have a deal with him obviously to do this oh okay i don't tell them until i would have told them i'd be afraid he's setting me up he's setting me up right now saying i'm gonna do this and he's paying me and i never really thought of that yeah but but so he ends up getting somebody else so this is eventually i have to tell i have to tell the feds are involved i had the feds meet me they would meet me every day to tell them if i did i get anything new did i get a letter from him and i would have to give they already had the copy of every letter he sent out anyways right because they would yeah they're copying everything that he got the mail and goes because one time i said no

i didn't get a letter from him they go to where's this letter and it was a copy of the letter. Right. So that's how I knew that they already was getting every letter. So I was like, I actually didn't get that one yet. You know, it just didn't come to me yet. Right. So eventually I tell them, listen, I'm supposed to meet somebody to give them a gun. They're like, what?

I was like, yeah, you know, he called me last night and he told me, because he really did call me the night before I was supposed to meet them. And he said that you're going to. meet, I forget the kid's name. I think it was Fred. I think it's the kid's name. You're going to be Fred and give him this gun. Give him the gun that he had hidden.

Do you say gun or say the bedroom set? What do you say? Bedroom set. Bedroom set, yeah. You remember that, huh? Okay. So the bedroom set. So I'm like, okay, no problem.

So I get off the phone. The next morning I meet them, I finally tell them, hey, listen, he wants me to meet this other kid to give him a gun. They're like, no problem, perfect. You're going to be in a car. We're going to give you a car. It's going to be miced up. It gave me a hat that was miced up.

It gave me an SUV, BMW. It was miced up. Nice. I told the kid that, hey, I'll meet you at Stop and Shop and Malton. We're going to meet somebody to give us a gun. So I meet the guy. You know, it was somebody under cover with a gun. So you go, so.

Did you ever retrieve the real gun? No, but I told them where, that's how they knew I was serious when I, because at first Because now they have the gun that was involved in the actual shootings I'm gonna be honest with you at first

I don't know if they really believed everything I was given them but once I gave them that gun because they were looking for her they could not find you know

it was buried and it was buried at the beach and Lynn like I knew he knew from the wall how many feet and they found it

right they didn't find that guns but I'm not telling this other kid Fred you know obviously about that gun they're giving me an undercover

a cop with a gun. Yeah. So I picked the kid up at the train station. We go to stop a shop. It's a supermarket. We go there. I tell him, hey, we're going to meet somebody. He's going to give us a gun.

We get, the guy pulls up. You look scrawny, you know, messed up bed, whatever. He gets in the back seat, pulls out a case with a gun, gives it to the kid. He asks the kid, hey, have you ever had a gun, ever, you know, held a gun before the kid says no. I'm getting, I'm nervous. This kid pointing a gun to me, too. He goes, hey, I've got to get you bullets. Hold on.

He goes in his car. All of a sudden, we get surrounded by the cops. They told me before. Bullets was the code word. Bullets. Bullets. Yes, that was. So they told me before, hey, when we surround the car and we're going to throw you to the ground, don't say anything.

We don't want you to say nothing. So they throw me the ground. They put us in a holding tank together. He goes, did you know that was going to? I go, I have no idea. I don't know what's going on I tell him I go oh that's the guy there

Adam told me to me I don't know you know Right And um The kid that This kid Fred I was in jail with him too

But he kept denying That I was in jail with him He goes no I wasn't in jail with you I go yes you You were definitely in jail with me I don't know why he kept denying that he wasn't I don't know

I kept I still think about that today I was like why would he keep Why lying to me about that he But anyways so Adam doesn't know any of this is going on, obviously. You know what I mean? He doesn't even know that I gave him the gun.

He doesn't even know that I'm really going to testify against him. But once that happens, they put him in a holding tank all by himself in the hole. And that's where he was up until his trial. But as he's in the hole, he's trying to get people to kill me now. Right. Because now I'm the witness, you know? So at some point he finds that out. Yeah.

He finds out that. As soon as they took us down to the ground and arrested us, they put him right in the hole. Okay. And he's probably thinking, oh, I'm in the hole because what's her name got shot? He may, yeah. That's what I'm thinking. He probably thinks he's in the hole for. His lawyer might have come to him.

He may have gotten a phone call. You're still going to get a phone call at least probably once a week in the shoe. They're going to monitor it, but somebody, so whoever you call. Paul can certainly say, oh my gosh, you're not going to believe this. This just happened. Remember that guy? Who knows? Yeah.

So we all get taken down. Now, this whole time I'm on the ankle bracelet, I'm supposed to be home by this time. This thing is vibrating like crazy. I'm getting nervous. I'm going to go to G. You know what I mean? Right. Because the DA was actually there during the takedown.

The main DA, his name was Silva. I don't know if he's the worst DA to go away. against. He was there. He goes, you're an ankle bracelet? I go, yeah, I'm on an ankle bracelet. He goes, did you tell anybody? I go, they obviously, they know. Right. They're like, then why is it vibrating? So he got me so nervous. I thought I was going to get arrested that night. So that keep calling my house, like, why is he not home? Why is he not home? My mother goes, oh, he's in an undercover sting right now. I'm like, my, what do you talk? Because I, you didn't tell it. You didn't tell Silver? Like,

listen, bro, call my fucking PO. Oh, somebody call her and tell her, shut this shit off. Well, I was like, well, shouldn't you do something about it? He goes, well, I'm not the DA in your case. I can't do nothing about it. You better fucking call him. I go, you're the, you're the DA I'm doing this for right now. Yeah.

But, um, so we do that. And so he goes to the hole. And then he's trying to get people to kill me now. Right. So one time I'm in the mall, after work, I go to the mall. I get out of work or I go to the mall. There's two kids following. me. You get out of work?

I get out of work. Where are you working? I'm working for my family again. I go back to work for my family. So I get out of work early. I go to the mall really quick, and there's two kids that I know that are bloods. They're following me. So I'm thinking, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So I go, I run out onto the bus. So I tell the Fed, I tell the main guy in the Fed that I'm talking to about this. And he doesn't think it's, he doesn't think it has nothing to do. But I dude, they followed me.

They followed me to three different stores. You know what I mean? And then one time I found a dead mouse on my steps. Like, I just thought. You just know. You just feel like it's a... Yeah, you know? I feel like a mouse.

I feel like they need a better... Yeah, dead. Oh, a dead rat. Not a mouse. A rat. See? That's different. No, the whole time I was thinking, like,

they put this there. Right. Then I had somebody come to my house and ring the doorbell because we had a camera. but they were like, no, this has nothing. Because they were like, we didn't get any information about this. I go, how do you can get other ways out? Yeah.

I go, you don't even, you didn't even know what the code words were in the letter. Yeah. So how do you know he doesn't have other letters going out with cold words, you know? Well, they're waiting until you get shot. Then they would be like, I think this has something to do with that rat that was left. I think this might have something to do with these two gang members that were following him. You're good. You're good.

So this whole time, I tell my family, we're operating, but I don't tell them, again. I told them that it was against insurance fraud. Right. I told them, yeah, people buy houses, and then the insurance company is supposed to come over and look. I just made up some whack-ass story. Right. I didn't want them to know what I was getting involved with.

You know, because, Matt, nobody in my family has ever ratted. Like, they go to jail to their time. You know what I mean? People, Matt, when you say the last name of Resco, it means something over there. Like, I went to a friend's wake. His son passed away.

He was like 25, 26. I walk in the door. You know who this is? He's an arresto. So the name means something. So like I always felt like, I can't do that, you know? Right. But I didn't want to go back to jail.

No, I didn't want to go to jail. You're cooperating against insurance fraud. Yes, that's what I tell them. And I don't want those to know either because I ended up getting out of jail. I meet, I meet this girl. She's my ex-wife now, but I get her pregnant. So I didn't want them to get worried that it was something serious. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So they have no idea. They still don't have any idea. So now they'll know now. But so I end up going to court. And they didn't want to give me, they kept, I kept telling them, why can't you just give me time served now? This is, I'm going with the DA, trying to see what deal they're going to give me now, since I gave them a shooter, the weapon. They go, would you do time in a, you?

a conquered what's it it's a jail without offense like camp yes I go no I don't want to do any more time I go I gave you I don't want to do any more time so they go well if you don't take that deal

you would have to take 10 years probation time served 10 years probation with if I ever do get in trouble they can charge me with the original like it like you know yeah charge me with them they could charge me up to the max of my original charge.

Right. They didn't want to drop the charge to Aloa. You know, it was still attempted murder, B&E, and then I had 46 counts of violating or straining order by every text message. Okay. And that's because the DA said we stopped counting. Right. But like my whole time, like, it all can run concurrent anyways.

You know what I mean? I really didn't. But I'm like, I don't want to do no more time. They go, we're going to 10 years. years probation. I was like, well, why, why can't you do anything better? You were only, you know, you came at me once with two to three years in jail. You know, why can't, why can't be anything better than, you know, like, because we don't like what you did. I was like, what did I do? I just gave you a fucking murderer. A guy who's, one, his case is done now. You got the gun.

You got everything. He's done. And I just gave you another murder on top of that. Now I've also got a conspiracy to commit murder. Like, like, these are additional charges of two murderers at this point. Yeah. So they go, we don't like what you did? I go, what did I do? I thought maybe they found out that I was, you know, did a plan with this kid to, you know, that I was, because they don't know that he gave me the information to get out of jail to do this crime. Oh, okay. They think I'm just giving them this information just to give it. Right. They don't know that I had to deal with this kid, you know, to get paid, because they didn't know until the day I testified that I was getting paid from the parents. Right. They didn't, they were like, what?

And then they were like, yeah, don't even mention that. Don't mention any money then. I was like, isn't that lying if they ask me? Like, no, no, don't mention any money. Don't mention any money. So I was like, well, what did I do? You're like, you had a Sports Illustrator sent to your victim. I was like, what?

Sports Illustrated magazine. They're saying that I had that sent to the victim. I was like, what is the name on it? They go, well, it's her name. I was like, we had that prescription. We had that magazine sent to our house when I was living with her. Right. She was kept saying that I had that personally sent to her.

Okay. And they were like, you're trying to violate your strength. I go, I have nothing to do with that girl. I moved on. I had a kid. Like, man, I was really done. Yeah. And they brought that out.

I go, I had nothing to do with, like, that's. So I was like, you're not going to give me a better deal because of that. I was like, I. Right, even if it were true. even it was true Matt, when they told me that I looked at my lawyer, my lawyer was looking at me I was like, I had nothing, nothing.

So I was like, all right, whatever, I got to, so I signed a 10-year probation deal. But obviously I don't, I can't get the deal until I testify. Right. So the day I'm testifying, they pick me up in a van, like, I don't know if they thought I was going to get killed or or something. They pick me up in a van.

I go there, who's the, the elevator doors open who's the person on the elevator his family and the cop was like yeah we'll get the next one and I you hear her say yeah that's the rat the sister said it to the mother and Matt when I testified it was

my heart was shaking like I don't know like I was so nervous even though I know he couldn't do anything but he was dirty looking me this whole time like he just he looks like a scary dude. He is a scary dude. Right. Like. He's obviously

pretty serious. He's whacking people left and right, right? Like you're Yeah. Yeah. Like Matt, one time we were allowed a CEO came over to our cell was like, hey, you guys, quiet it down. He goes, you know what I'm in here for? He's wearing it as a badge

of honor? Yeah. And so I testify and I had to go back because they were saying that he was trying to bring up that it was a deal. And I was like, no, there was no deal. There was no deal.

And Matt, this whole time, I had a lie to them to the cops say that I was a blood. Right. Because that's what he told me I was a blood. Okay. He's like, you got to tell people you're a blood. Because if I didn't say I was a blood and I was his right-hand man, I would have had to take people out in jail and shit, like fight. And he didn't want me to do that because for those six months we were in jail,

we talked the game plan, what you're going to do. And Matt, the main thing... He can't have you get in trouble to get moved to another unit or go to the shoe or I need this guy to be in here with me. And Matt, this whole... And then come to find out, she's not even the main witness. The main witness is the other person that was in the house when he shot the person. Right.

So I was like, why did he want to be? want me to take her out for. I always felt that it was something more to that. Right. And from jail, he had his girl's car blown up because she was going to testify. And

a scary thing happened. In Wakefield, where I live now, there was another dead mouse on my steps. And I swear, I feel like they're still that he still

got something against me Matt yeah like I know he like obviously I know all right well what happened what did he get sentenced to life life

they all got life except the only person I didn't was the driver he got 15 years but um they all got life and um I still deny it to the day

that I're at because I see people all the time they're like hey did you I was like no I was like I mean, I got called there, you know, because I was just sally for so long. Because, man, he never had a sally other than me. And then one other person, the person that he kicked out before me.

Right. And that was another friend of us. But he never had a cellar the person because he didn't trust anybody. He trusted nobody. Yeah. And I don't know why he trusted me so much to tell me all this, you know. Because he told me, you know, he told me where the real gun was. Like, wouldn't you just have me get a different gun?

Why would, you know? But I think it was maybe what you. you said, like maybe he felt that if I used that gun, he would... I mean, it looks pretty right. Like, if they'd have to kind of admit that in court, like, we couldn't find the gun. And that gun has since been used in another crime to kill another, you know, they could say witness or they just say another person that was involved. Like, so obviously, you grab the wrong guy.

There's another guy out there, and that could be his defense. And that, to me, if I was sitting on the jury and I was like, you didn't find the gun. It's been used since he's been incarcerated. I would be like, that's reasonable doubt. Like, I don't know about giving this guy a life sentence, you know, finding him guilty when the gun's still, somebody's out there using this gun. Like, it's possible it's not him. Yeah. You guys should have tied your case up better.

And since I ratted, because you know, whenever somebody tries to kill you, they have to tell you. He's already asked three other people to try to. To have you. You mean the government has to come to you and tell you, hey, listen. Yeah. You have to. So what do they do? Do you get a knock on the door on an agent's there, or did they just call you?

They call me. Okay. And I haven't gone to call in a while, but. So he's currently, is this he's in federal prison? State. So he's currently in state prison asking his new sellies or someone he knows, when you get out, I want you to kill this guy. Well, yeah, he's me.

He's got money. So, I mean, but when does a parent finally say, why am I paying all these people, you know, this and this? You know, I would think the parents would be like, hey, listen, enough is enough. We don't want to be involved in this. Yeah. But no, they go with it. Like, they're fucking hardcore. These fucking families, they're down, bro.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, especially with the sister fucking, there's the rat. And in the Boston accent. It just makes it so much more grungy. You know what I'm saying? inches. But I mean, don't get me wrong. I don't really think about it anymore.

I mean, I do got kids now, you know. I've got a wife and kids now, but I really don't think about it anymore, you know. Other than when I get that call, but it's been a few years now since I've gotten. You know, the only thing I think about Boston is maybe two or three things.

One, I saw, I'd watched a documentary about these guys who were robbing they were robbing the the cash trucks that move cash

what are they called the armored truck Yeah yeah No no So what I think the town is based on Because it was so similar There was a group of guys

That were A group of guys That were doing They were robbing armored trucks Yes And I think it was Banks And Armored trucks Healthy gang

Yeah So And everybody they interviewed had the Boston accent, you know. And then those guys, at one point, either there was a scuffle or something, and one of the guys took his mask off or the guy, one of the guards saw it, like, they never killed anybody. No. And so they drove this vehicle, this armored truck out into the woods, and the main guy, like, executed

the guards, because they saw his face, something along those lines. I forget exactly what it was. So I'd seen that, and then I saw that, and then like 10, 15 years ago or later, I saw the movie, The Town. Yeah. And they're all the Boston guys with the accents and the, and then, of course, you know, I've seen Departed. And then there's- Departed. That's a great. I love that movie. Black Mass. I didn't like that one that much.

No, it wasn't as good as the departed. But, you know, it was based on the Whitey Bulger story. So they only have so much wiggle room. And then the other one is Bean Shooter. Do you know who Bean Shooter is? No. So Bean Shooter is a guy from, I want to say, it was from Massachusetts.

I want to say he's in, I don't know. But exactly. I think he's in Boston. I don't know. I'd have to find out. I think he's in a town close to. Anyway, yeah, I'll send you his thing because you would fucking die, bro. He's got an Instagram, he's got a podcast.

He's hilarious. So one of the guys from the town, I was, for a week, I was in, what's it called, the nurse station? What's it called when you're in the... The infirmary? I was in there for a week. I forget what was wrong with me.

I was sick. He's in there. He was from the movie of the town. He was in there because he was waiting to get, what's a freest maker? A pacemaker. And he was in there. And he would tell story,

man, this guy had story for a date. And I didn't believe him. first and but one of the CEOs was like no that's the serious yeah he was frank i'll never forget him and um he was like one day my son will do the same thing i'll be so proud of him i was like what he told me that he went to like ireland and they taught him how to do smoke bombs and stuff yeah uh yeah you know in the whitey um white bulger actually had been uh they'd actually donated a ton of money to like the IRA and had it had the they had weapons on a boat that was headed for like Ireland this is while there were still a war going on really the the IRA and the

the Brits and so he had they actually had loaded this ship up with weapons and they were going to sail it I think they were sailing it might have been sailing it all the way there I don't really know but it got seized like there was a snitch involved and they got seized and Bulger was supposedly one of the guys who donated had tons of weapons. These are like stolen weapons and money and everything. So, I mean, he was involved in

sending money to the IRA and that whole situation, which is funny because I would have thought when he was on the run and everything, I always thought to myself, you know, when he got caught in like San Diego or something. Yeah. I always thought he's probably in Ireland.

Like, like he had contacts with. That's what I thought. I mean, I think they thought he was there at one point. That's what you'd think, right? He said, or maybe he didn't, maybe they said that he was actually there when the, he was in Connecticut, in Canada when the Bruins won the Stanley Cup. Oh, okay. All right. I didn't know that.

Yeah. But I was also, remember the movie The Fighter? The Boston movie, the boxer Mickey was his name, I think. Yeah, he was, was he on drugs? Was he the one that was, the brother that was in drug, on drugs? Yeah. And he was in, he's calling him like, telling him like, do this, go this. You know, he's trying.

in bail. So I was in jail with the brother. Okay. He was in there, a string with somebody with a stenchial cord. But he's known for, like, in the streets, like, if he knows you have drugs,

knocking you all and taking it. Oh, man. I mean, they got, there's some characters. That guy Bean Shooter is a character. I'm going to send you his Instagram. You're going to be like, this fucking guy. He,

yeah, he just, and he does these things over, and he'll record him, you know, he'll, some guy's got his, a mask on walking down the street, he'll roll the window down here, but, hey, you got to protect yourself from all that cold, that, the roofing guys. Yes, the roofing air.

Yes, I know, yes, yes, yes. I love that guy. He was like, yeah, first with cleaning roofs, and the guy finally told you, goes, listen, when this ice thaws out, but they're going to need new rules. We're putting holes in there. Ah, that, you should get him on here. I've had, I had him on here. Yes, I was one of the first podcast that he did. I didn't know that. I just started. You know, I just started. who was so funny, and he was there was a guy named Hicks, I forget the Hicks guy, who was,

who had basically written a book saying he was one of the, kind of like the Winter Hill gang, and he was connected with Whitey Bulger, and he knew all the guys, and he was involved in. He'd gone to prison for, you know, like 10 years or something ridiculous. He's got to hold this amazing story.

It's all bullshit. He's a low-level piece of garbage that's just kind of gone in and out of prison for drug offenses. and it's all bullshit. And the person that figured it out that it's bullshit because he was Bean Shooter had been listening to the guy on podcast

and he ends up calling some of his guys that were a part of like, were associated with Whitey, they call him up and Bean Shooter's like, you ever heard of this fucking guy? And he tells him who he is. They look into it, they come back, they go, man, this guy's full of shit.

Is he the one that, like, Whitey's a rat? He's a rat. No, no, that's another guy. That's a guy named, She Red She. It's something. Yeah, it's red.

I think his last name's Shay. Yeah. Yeah. But it's something red Shea. He also, yeah, yeah. No, he's got a whole thing on me. He does. Yeah, I saw him.

I saw him doing on you. It's my guts. Actually, this is funny. I have a buddy named Julian Dory, who has a podcast that I've been on a bunch of times. And it's a big podcast, right? Like, I think he's got over a million subs. And he's in, oh, gosh, he's in Jersey. He's in, like, Soho.

So one day, first Julian called, Julian talked to Red. He had interviewed Red. And had, I think he had suggested to Red that he come on my podcast, something along those lines. And Red goes nuts. Fucking, fuck that motherfucking rat, fucking scumbag piece of shit. It goes on and on. Then Julian decides he wants to have Red.

He's like, you know what would be huge? You? We do a celebrity. Not that I think I'm a celebrity. This is what he said. We do a celebrity boxing match between you and Red. And I went, you're your fucking mind? Like the guy's like a fucking fighter.

He's been fighting this whole fucking life. I mean, he's got a, he's been boxing since he's like 12 years old or something. Like, he's like, no, Julian says. Julie goes, no, Matt, it'll, I said, you're trying to get me fucking killed. Like, I'm going to get head trauma. Like, I can't get fucking bashed around by this guy. He says, no, Matt, I'll train you. I'm going to personally train you.

Like, Julian, I've been to your fucking family's house. Your dad's like a, he's like a high-powered, top shelf, uh, corporate attorney. Like, your mom's a soccer mom. Like, like, you, you went to a prep school. You worked on Wall Street. If I'm going to have anybody train me, it's going to be a guy that was raised in the projects. It's going to be a, I'm going to have a street guy, a street guy that I can barely understand what he says. Not a fucking a preppy, you know, like you speak proper English.

I can't, you're, you're soft. You're not as soft as me, but you're soft. And I'm like, I'm telling him this. And then as he's trying to convince me, his part of his, you know, part of his negotiation, are trying to convince me is, Matt, listen, you can make a ton of money. You could sell T-shirts. That's what I wanted to get my head bashed in to sell T-shirts. So I can make, I'm going to make $5 grand on T-shirt sales?

Like, no offense, you know, and I'm like, you know, you do understand that in this scenario that you've created in your head here, Julian. Like, I'm not the guy they're rooting for. No, definitely. No, they're not rude. Typically, you'd say, oh, no, the underdog is, it's red. No, no, no, no, no one's rooting for me. Nobody.

Maybe some of my fans are rooting for me, but they're not buying t-shirts rooting for me. Like, and what am I going to make on t-suit? I'm like, yeah, Julian, no. And Julian pushed hard. Like, he called me like two or three times about this. Did you have a really considerate? Never. Never.

You know, my wife's like, at that time, I think it was 55. I was like a year ago. I was like, I think I'm 56 now. I'm 56 now. Yeah, almost 57. So I was like, 57. Thank you. But not after Red gets, it gets old to me.

Like, you know, I don't care if Red's fucking five foot two and 130 pounds. He's going to butcher me. He's a professional fucking fighter. So I'm telling. And when I told Jess, I said, listen to what Julian. And she's like, you know, my wife is super supportive of me. She says, you're an old man. She's like, you can't do.

I'm like, I'm not considering it. Like, for a second. She thought I was considering it. And she's like, he's trying to get you killed. Exactly. Like, I thought this guy was a friend of mine. I always considered Julian a friend.

But for Julian's entertainment, he's willing to have me get a concussion and possibly end up in the hospital, if not dead, to sell some tickets. And he can, he's going to sell more T-shirts that I'm going to say.

And I was like, no, Julian, that's not. Red took one of your videos about you telling him about the insurance, about the housing insurance, what you did. And he goes, see that? That's a fucking. Not only did he fucking rat. He robbed people, too.

He robbed millions. I think it's also, he did one on the homeless thing. That's, that's the one. You see that? He's ruining people's lives. Right. Because, I was going to say, because Red, who's like an enforcer for like the white,

even, I'm sure he was the sweet guy on the street. Yeah, he cares about everybody. Yeah, he cares about people. And you know what, here's the funniest thing about that video, that short that he did. Which is funny because that short got millions of views. The shorts guys that do the shorts for us. Here's what they do.

Now, I'm not saying, now, I've definitely surveyed homeless guys. Yes. Built their credit up and would then borrow by a house in their name and borrow mortgages in the name. I put millions. He was right. Like the spirit of what he was saying is correct. Yeah. I would get a homeless guy and I'd run up.

I'd put him in debt for a million, $2 million, without a doubt. they're also homeless and have no idea this has happened. It's never affected them. I don't think they'll have them. Huh? To this day, I guarantee. And imagine this. After seven years, all those debts fall off.

They don't owe any money. Like, they could probably go pull their credit right now and it's perfectly clean. When I got out of prison and I had probably $5, six, seven million dollars in fucking bad mortgage and everything, right? That when I got out of prison and I went and had my credit pulled, not one thing on my credit. perfectly clean. I actually went and got three secured credit cards. Seven months later, when I walked out of the, out of the halfway house and I had my credit pulled, I had a 754 credit score. 754 within six months period of time.

So, you know, and I had tons of chargeoffs. So they fall after seven years. Did they ever think you had money or something? Oh, they constantly. Yeah, that was a constant. Really? Yeah. Boy, I don't know. I wish that was true. I was like I was said it's so funny how I go how funny would it be like when I got off probation I used to tell my wife how funny would it be if I'd be like well I'm off probation let's go and she goes she'd be like well what come on we're going to the Cayman islands for what get on a plane

go to the Camden Island walk into a bank some guy sits down and says well we've got your 30 million Mr. Cox you know she'd be like what's going on like that would be so awesome it didn't happen Allegedly, yeah. I think we went to, I think we got tacos or something that night. But so, but so that, those shorts, real quick, those shorts, the shorts guys would have me, let's say I'll, let's say you and I are talking. And I say, oh, wow, that sounds like the movie, Heat. Do you ever see Heat? And you're like, no.

And I'm like, oh, bro. So what happened is these guys? And then I start explaining. Yes. heat. You know, boom, boom, boom, boom, at the very end, bam, they, you know, and the guy ends up getting killed. The guy ends up getting killed at the end or whatever. And the shorts guy, they'll take that and they'll cut out the whole conversation between you and I, and it'll say, yeah, there's this guy he's like, so they're going, these, this group of guys are going into banks,

right? So, and I explain the whole thing, and then they put out the video. So there will be 90% of the comments will be like, this guy's a liar. He's. He never did that. He doesn't know anybody. That's the fucking theme to heat. That's the movie Heat. This guy's a piece of garbage. Now, the fans will be in the comments going, no, bro, I saw the video.

He was explaining the movie. He knows that's heat. I don't know. They cut it out. They're like arguing. Yes. Which is why that video. And because these shorts guys that do our shorts are super, super sharp guys, right?

These are a couple of guys from, I think one's in the UK. I think one's somewhere else. I don't know, but very sharp guys. You guys don't do the shorts of yourselves? No, no. We have a group of guys that we have an agreement with these guys. Very smart guys. They know like they have it.

They're dialed into this whole thing. But they know that. And they know that that arguing pushes it. So that ends up getting $4 million. So here's what happened. I'm talking to somebody during an interview and we're talking about fraud. And he was like, yeah, would you ever commit fraud again? I was like, well, I mean, obviously, no.

I think I'm doing well. I'm not going to do that. But there was a time I was thinking about doing it. I certainly probably, if things hadn't gone well, I definitely might have thought that. There's always a possibility. And so while we're talking, he ends up saying something like,

we're talking about like the perfect crime. I said, let me tell you what the perfect crime would be. So here's what I, and he's like, what would you, I go, here's what I'd do partially what I did before, which was I'd grab,

I'd go out and I survey homeless guys. that I would survey homeless guys and then, but I would befriend one of them. Whoever if I, if you were the guy, like, as I'm taking your information, I'm thinking, oh, this is the guy. I'd be like, hey, man, do you say around here, whatever? Oh, yeah, yeah. I would

say, hey, you know what? Do you have a phone? Let me give you a phone. Like, I'd give him a phone or I'd get his phone number. So I'd get his phone number. Because now they have those, the phones, right? Even homeless people have phones. Yes. So they get the Obama phones, right? Yes.

So I'd say, hey, let me get your phone number so that I can come back because I'm going to come back around. I'm going to give you $50 and gift certificates for McDonald's and stuff like that. Like, I'm going to give you the $20 now for the survey. And then I just, so I say all this. Give me your thing. Oh, yeah, cool. Yeah, he gives me his number. I order all this stuff.

I do everything I'm going to do, right? Get the fake ID, get everything. I start building up his credit, everything. But I stay in touch with him. I go buy a phone, a burner phone, and I call him a burner phone. And I come by, maybe I give him some gift certificates, but I stay in touch with him constantly. With this phone, which I'd make sure it's a nice phone. It's like an iPhone, 15, whatever.

Yeah. I would then use that phone to call all of the banks to make applications. I would then all the credit cards would be, everything would be linked to this phone. Hey, the employer, maybe I'd get another phone and then make sure there's phone calls to this one. Maybe call him from that phone. I just keep doing that. Make sure that everything's tied to this phone and maybe this laptop, whatever, iPad. Yeah. Borrow how many millions of dollars.

And then once all of this, once I'd taken the millions of dollars and I'd got the money, I would then track the guy back down and say, hey, bro, yeah. Hey, here's another $50 in gift certificates at McDonald's, whatever. I'd go, hey, by the way, by that point, I'd clean the whole phone up. Put it into some kind of a case. Hey, bro, hey, you know what? you know, the program I work for, because he thinks I'm a surveyor. Yeah.

Here's a new phone. Give him the new phone. It's fucking 15, bro. You're using an 11. You're using an Android. Like, what the fuck? You got to use that. It's a better one.

Oh, okay. He gets it out, no problem. And you go, yeah. Also, listen, I don't know if you know this, but, you know, the people donate these things. I got a, I've got like an iPad. Keep mind, the iPad has fake, all the W-2s. Everything's fake, fake, fake, fake.

Yeah, bro, you can play video. video games on it, you can this, give him a fucking, give him whatever. Yes. Because you have to understand, maybe he gets rid of it. Maybe he keeps it. I don't know. But it's gone through his hands. He's probably used that phone.

At some point in the future, when the FBI figures out that there's five mortgages and $2 million missing on this house, and it's all in this guy's name, and they track the phone number back to the phone that he either has on him right now because it's the one I gave him or maybe he just throws it away or sells it. It's going to track back to his old iPhone. So either way, he's interconnected with the whole thing. They're eventually going to grab him and throw him in jail. Even if he can convince them, I had no idea what was going on, they're still going to

think he's linked in in some way. And most likely they focus on him and they drop the whole thing. Like they stop looking. Yeah. We think he's involved. We think he's protecting someone. He's telling us there's somebody else. Either way, he's involved. And then he's done. They basically, they have somebody. If he has a record, it's even that much better. Because now he's definitely, oh, he's been a problem. Been in and out of jail. He knows, obviously this is one of his buddies. He clearly knows the guy. He's been calling him for fucking three months. Yeah. So I say, he's been. He's been calling him for fucking three months. Yeah. So I. say all that. I say that would be how I would do it this time. They don't say this time.

They do a clip where it says, this is what I was doing. Here's how I did it. And they do this short. Listen, that short got like eight million views or something. Like out. Red then takes that, watches it. And when he's done, this motherfucker fucking rat piece of shit, putting people at Tom's way. He does the whole fucking thing. And I'm looking at it. I think, look, I get it. I don't mind you hating on me for what I did. But I get it right. I didn't do that. And it's funny because everybody involved in the production of this show are all willing to soil my good name for views. Like nobody

I even sent that video To my producer And I said These guys are gonna get me killed They're gonna get look at this I said the red video day I said these guys They're trying to get me killed

His response was like You know the laughing emoji Ha ha ha ha ha Like are we worried about me at all in here? So I don't I never finished all his video But how's he out If he was involved with Whitey

Did he I think he got hit for I think he got hit for I think he got hit for, he got hit for drugs. Okay. So look, let's say you're involved with these guys. Yeah. You know, you're getting away with a ton of stuff, right?

Like these guys get away with, you know, these mob guys, they get away with murder. They literally get away with murder, right? Yeah. And so when it all comes down to it, when Whitey and the gang kind of go down, he'd already been arrested for running drugs. And he'd already gotten like, I'm going to say 20 years. I don't know if it was 25. I don't know if it's 15. I don't know.

He was already locked up. So when things start falling apart, he's in prison. He's hearing about it from other guys or coming to him and saying, hey, Red, did you hear about Whitey? And he's like, nah, what? And they're telling him he's a fucking rat. And initially he says, initially he says when they were telling him he's a rat, he's fucking protecting him. Fuck you. That's not true.

Get out of my face. Like he's ready to, you know, what is it? Go to the mattresses, whatever. You know, he's ready to fucking swing on him, right? But eventually it's so overwhelming that he realizes it's true. And then the other guys that are involved, and I forget what their name is, there's a couple other ones that were underneath Whitey that start, that are cooperating. Yeah. So other guys in the prison go and say, hey, you hear so-and-so's cooperating.

And one of the guys gets read a message, and I think Red calls him on the phone. I'm not sure I could have that wrong. But I think he's actually because he makes it sound like he was talking to him when I had watched one of his interviews. And he's talking to the guy. And the guy explains, he's like, yeah, yeah, he's cooperating. It's true. But, you know, what does it matter, bro? And he said right then, he said, I knew.

I saw that, yeah. That motherfucker. He's going to rat. Yes. And he said, it matters to me. And he hangs up the phone. Yeah. God, I can picture the guy, too, that he was talking to.

But here's the thing. If you ever watch... Sullivan? Sully? I think it was Sullivan. I think it was. I think it was him. Because he's the one who he'd cut much of murders, right?

Yes. But he got like 10 years or something for six murders or something. If you watch the... If you watch Reds interview on Soft Wide Underbelly, which is... You know, which is a guy named Mark Leda, which is, you know, amazing. Do you know what soft-wide interbelly is? Young-looking kid? No, no.

He's an older guy. He's like he's probably 70 or 65 or 70 years old. Okay. You know, looks, he's 6'4, looks amazing. He, super smart guy, very professional, does these amazing. I'll send you one. I'll send you rent. Okay.

I did it also. So, Red's interview, you know, and I don't know the guy. I don't know Red. You know, I mean, he obviously, you know, has horrible things to say about me, and, you know, which is they're all pretty much based on the fact, on truth. You know, so it's not like he's misinformed on everything that he's, on his, everything that he is basing his disgust of me with. But, but what's interesting is, you watch.

the, you watch that interview with him, he, like, listen, he gets choked up. Like, he tears up. He starts crying. I mean, it's, it's, you know, despite what he thinks of me, you understand that he was like this, this battered kid brought up in a horrible situation. And the people that stepped in as his father figures and that basically, um, raised him. And, and, and, and, and, and, And we're there for that these are the guys that these are his mentors that took care of him. Right. So he's he's a boxer, right? He's boxing, but he's not making a money, a living boxing.

And he's making a living doing, working with these guys. And these guys have a code. And for someone who's raised in that horrific environment, he 100% believed in these guys. He'd do anything for them. You do it. Of course. Listen, I have no doubt. And I don't know his whole story, right?

I don't, I'm not going to sit here and say, oh, yeah, yeah, he committed this murder. He did that. He did that. But I have no doubt that there's probably horrific violence and possible murders. And that life did it, obviously. Right. And this is a guy that I think for these guys would do anything they told him to do. Yeah.

So when they go wrong and they start turning on everybody, his mental, you know, his belief system is absolutely fucking shattered. and he realizes that like these guys these your idols played you you know for a fool like you're you know he had to be one he's disgusted with and he does the whole you know fucking filthy rats and this and that and but I think really it's your idols were were lying to you the whole time and they played you and they had you they turned you into a soldier I think that this guy right now, if he got indicted, I think even right now, even knowing everything he knows, he would never cooperate. Like, I believe, there are some of these, and there are these so few of these guys left, right? Jory Merlino, do you know who he is?

Yes. Skinny Jory Merlino? Yes, yes. This guy, he loves rats. Huh? He loves that. Yeah, he's, yeah. He would never.

Some of these guys, there's like that, if they have to die in prison and everybody gives up on him and that, but that's fine. Like, they've got such hatred in their hearts. I've never seen, I've never seen this guy read Smile or Laugh or, you know, the moment he starts talking about, why do he, um, uh, he breaks down. He breaks down. And it's not because when I look at him break down, it's not like, like, I genuinely feel bad for the guy. Like I'm like, you were. Well, that was his, like you said, that was like his father. Yeah.

It's, it's horrible. It's a horrible. it's a horrible situation and the worst thing is Whitey was the whole time he was cooperating it wasn't just at the end

it was the whole time yeah finding that out too you know what I mean like yeah no he were you were not and let's face it the moment the moment that if he could have offered up red

he would have offered him up like he would have you know he would have like you would have been on the he knows that I would have been on the plate too like my love for this person meant absolutely nothing to that person

and it's it's just, and you can see he's shattered. Like he is, he is, um, psychologically just, just shattered for such a tough fucking guy. Because he's a tough guy. You know, these are not, these are, he's not a mentally weak person. He's a tough fucking guy. And for him to the moment he starts talking about it, he, he cracks. He cracks like a fucking egg. And you just think, like this guy's, oh, he's something that just, it doesn't exist anymore. Like, these guys don't realize like, you know, and I get it. They don't want to realize it. They don't want to admit it and they don't. And they do, they do know it's true, but they, it just, it just doesn't exist, bro. It doesn't exist. It was like, like my family,

all my uncles, like I obviously looked up to them like they had balls. They did their time. They never said anything, you know. But they didn't do big time five years, four years, you know. Right. But still, I mean, it's easy to be a badass when you listen. The first time I was looking, first time I got in trouble, I was looking at three years. I was fucking pretty tough, bro. I was a tough guy. I was gonna fucking do it. I didn't think I was gonna do three years.

That was like the first time you- First time, because they kept saying, oh, half a million dollars is lost. Half a million, and I was like, there's not half a million dollars. And I knew if I can prove half a million dollars isn't lost, I'm not doing three years. Like I was just, in my mind,

I couldn't believe I was gonna do three years. But I never, and my probation, I mean, my probation, sorry, my lawyer's telling me, listen, I can keep you from even being indicted. There had only been a criminal complaint. Go get a bunch of your friends. files, bring them here, let's sit down with the U.S. Attorney and the FBI. I can keep you. It's called

pretrial intervention. I can keep you from even being indicted. You should go on about your business. And I was like, and what? Do do what the two snitches in my case did to me? I'm not doing that. I'd seen the Godfather. I knew what was up. I knew how to handle this. You know, so I was like, I'm not fucking doing it. Besides, there's no money lost. I can't. There's no way I'm going to prison when there's no money law. So, but I, I, so yeah, it was easy being tough when you're facing three years. Yeah. Fucking 20, 30, 40 years, like the life old sentence? I don't know. Like when, I think we need to spread some of this around. That's what I think. You know, there's a cornerpointed lawyer in the jail that there's, in a, yeah, we have a corn and court of lawyer that'll come

to the jail and, you know, talk to us about our cases. Is it just one for everybody? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. No, they'll come. lawyer in Florida, you get your own lawyer. No, we get our own lawyers, but then there's a lawyer that comes once a month, and they'll sit down and talk to you about, like, you can ask some questions about, okay, never heard that. Go ahead. So he goes, you know, Mr. Rescoe, you know, facing over 100 years. I go, why would you tell somebody first time in jail, you say, I go, well, you know,

they could do separate. I go, no judge in his life is going to do everything separately. I go, where did you go to the lawyers? You got a Walmart suit on guy. Yeah. This is the once, I like to go to the jail once a month and scare the piss out of every fucking inmate. I got up and I, and I, you know, I walked to my buddy. I go, you believe what he said to me?

He goes, what? He goes, you strangled somebody. Relax, kid. And who hasn't? Who hasn't dated some chick that you didn't? Listen, this one. I can't tell you how many times. But, you know, but I wasn't on Molly.

So, yeah. Yeah. Good times. they gave me molly yeah it's just like a percassette yeah perfectly yeah it's not probably wow i don't know i look back and i'm like that because i'm different now you know i finished i got off probation early i went for the judge and he was like wow i'm proud of you you you know i did seven seven years on probation like it was nothing you know because i knew i was wasn't going to do a drug again yeah i knew i wasn't going to talk to her again i met somebody

i met a well i met another woman uh had a kid with her And, you know, she's the best, you know. I'm a different person now, I guess. Yeah. I also think, you know, you grow out of it. You know, a lot of people will age. Some people will just kind of age out of crime, right? Like the stuff you look back when you were 21 years old and you would do,

if somebody were to suggest it now, you'd be like, fuck you. I'm fucking doing that. Man, you know, it was messed up? You know, how I violated the straight order, you know. And I was like, you're on it. But, you know, she came to my house. You know, he's like, she could be standing out of it. honking a horn for three hours.

If you make contact with her, you violate. It's so fucked up, though. And I was the case. Did you ever hear a story of Jerry Remy? He was a, he's a baseball player, played for the Red Sox. His son kept doing the same thing, get out of jail, going back with the girl. He ended up getting out of jail,

two hours later, stabbing his girlfriend to death where he stabbed her so many times, he cut her head off. I think I've heard this, yeah. My case was right after. Because before when you go out of domestic, it wasn't that bad. Right. But I was like right after that.

And that's what they kept telling me? And I was like, but what does that do with me? Right. And they're like, that's just what happens, you know? But, and then, you know, I was going to do the sanity plea and then I was like, I don't want to go back to that place again. Oh, that was, wow. I had people tell me that that's worse than upstate, going upstate, going there.

Can you imagine being there for two or three years until they deem you sane? Yeah. Huh. Uh, uh, pass. Yeah, if you've gone to, actually gone to like the prison, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You would have been like, like, fuck, I, I, I, we would be in the county jail. Well, in the, I was in the U.S. Marshall's holdover, which is like, basically the county jail for feds.

And all the, all the inmates were like, man, I just want to be sentenced to go to jail. I just want to be sentenced to go to jail. And I was like, like, to me, I thought jail was, what was going to be way. I was like, well, isn't jail worse? They're like, fuck, no. I remember this kid Jeremy told me. He said, bro, I'll get off the bus. And by, by, like, count at, like, four o'clock, I'll have new shower slides.

I'll have coffee. I'll have a pint of ice cream. Same thing. Yeah, he was like, I'll be fucking set. He's like, jail. I'll be walking the track right that night. And I'm like, well, well, I want to go to jail. I mean, I want to go to prison.

They all wanted to go. Yeah, sorry. In the county jail, they all wanted to go to prison. The thing in your case, too, I can't believe you got that many years. Because I remember you saying, you're like, it wasn't. even this much money. Yeah. Because didn't they have a, didn't it like two times more than what you really did, they were

trying to say? Well, if they were trying to, yeah. If they start off when you get grabbed, they're like, oh, they said it was 26 million. I'm like, what? I'm fucking, 26 million. Even if you added it all up, it's not 26 million. And then it became, then it went down to, they came back and revised it was 22. And I was like, there's no fucking, listen, there's no way they can prove 22.

It never happened. By the time I got my PSI, a pre-sentence report, it was. 9.5 million in restitution, they said. And I argued about that. I said, I'm not pleading guilty to 9.5 million. I just said I'm not, my PSI said 32 years to life. And I was like, I'm not, first of all, that's the max. 32 is her life? Right. That's the max they could give me. So I was like, yeah, I'll go to trial. Even if I go to trial and lose, and you give me the max, it's 32 years. It's stupid to think that I would plead to 32 years. So they came back and they said, well, what do you think the dollar amount is? And I was like, it's not 9.5. They said, well, the next

threshold is between 3.5 and 6 million. They said, do you think it's below 3.5? And I went, I had to kind of, well, no, it's not. But they said, okay, so we're going with 6 million. I said, okay, which was like 5,9,999, you know. So does that mean 3.5 million touched your hands, or they're saying, like, meaning like you had that at one point? Yeah, what they're saying that, at the very least, that's how much loss there was. So in my, opinion, there was, I mean, I don't know how much loss there was. And keep in mind, too, I didn't get all of them. Even if it was 15 million, let's say, I didn't get 15 million. Like, you got 800,000. She got 500,000. This guy got 600,000. Like, how am I getting stuck with all this money?

So I agreed that mine was probably between 3.5 and 6 million. But they were going to give me 9.5. Anyway, the point is, we argued, and we argued some of the enhancements I got them to drop, and that's why it still was like 26 years, and when I went to sentencing, it was 26 years. But because she thought she was going to get some things dropped. My lawyer thought she was going to beat some of the enhancements. She apparently was the only one because the judge disagreed. It still ended up being 26. And then it was, well, once you come back to be resentenced, once the, once the court

arrests all these people, well, they never arrested anybody. I mean, not the court, but the secret service and FBI, they were launching investigations. None of those went anywhere. they all dropped those and so yeah I was just left with 26 years and I watched the video where you thought the judge gave you that because he thought you were going to come back

to get yeah he said that to my lawyer I didn't know that part until I watched it recently I didn't I didn't know that part yeah yeah so my lawyer at some point I got on the phone and we were talking and I was just like you know she's a public defender

she didn't have to talk to me anymore I'm done at this point the only thing left is for me to file a 2255 against her saying she's ineffective, that she's incompetent. That she knows that's the only thing waiting to come. So they're actually, they're kind of, they keep answers. Someone will answer your phone call for like a year or so until the time bar, until your time bar you can't file anything after a year in the federal system.

So they kind of hold off. They'll maybe answer your phones every month's while that holds you off. And once they know it's over a year, they just stop talking to you because they're like, he's done. But she was still answering my calls. And one time I called, I think she sent me an email. or a letter and said call me or something. For some reason I called her, and this is called,

I'd been locked up a few years. And I said, yeah, I said to her, what's up? And she said, listen, I had a really weird sentencing the other day. I was like, what's that? She goes, I was there for one of my other clients to be sentenced in front of Judge Batten. And I was like, okay, she said he got sentenced. And then after the sentencing, the judge called me back in the chambers.

She goes back in the chambers and she said, what's going on? And he was like, what's going on with Matt Cox? That's crazy. That's crazy. And I know because I actually just mentioned it to a defense attorney I talked to yesterday. And he was like, that's, I told him the whole thing is that's insane. And she goes, what do you mean? And he said, look, I don't remember the names of a lot of these people, these guys that

I sentenced. But you give a white collar criminal 26 years, you remember him. He said, and I was under the impression he was going to come back to be resentenced. And she said, well, none of the cases panned out. They dropped them because of the financial crisis. They were bigger fish to fry. They never did it. So, yeah.

And he goes, well, what's he doing about it? And she goes, what can he do? And he goes, well, I can't tell you what he can do. What I can tell you is he needs to get himself back in front of me. And she was like, well, so she told me that. I was like, okay, so what do we do? And she's like, well, there's nothing you can do. It's like, what the fuck are we talking about then?

Call me up, tell me this or have me call you to tell me. You just cost me $3.15. It was actually $3.50 for $0. 15 minutes. So you think if they said he's not going to, if they never mentioned that part, you're supposed to come back, you would have got less? Yeah, I don't think that the judge, I think the judge would have taken more into consideration had the, had the, um, the U.S. attorneys not continually said, your honor, and she says in my, in my sentencing, your honor, I know 26 years of the long time, but Mr. Cox is going to be.

coming back here for a Rule 35, possibly two. And then, of course, every time we make the attempt, she goes, nope. So it's like, you know, and so I think the judge, and I know in his mind, he did think that, because he told my lawyer he thought that. That's what I'd been led to believe. And I gave him 26 years. Would he have gotten me, he may have given me a little bit less. You know, maybe he would have given me five more years off or so.

I don't think there's much they could do at that time because of the guidelines. I had to stay within the guidelines. They could appeal. I don't think the government would have appealed if he had said 15 years. I don't think the government would have appealed. But it doesn't matter. You know, listen, these guys, I don't think the judges know enough about the cases to, you know, and I don't think, I don't know.

Listen, I think all around, everybody's job in general is a shitty position to be in. And I think that you basically almost turn your, if you're not a psychopath going in to being, working as a judge or a U.S. attorney, eventually I think you become so numbed to the, to what, to the, just the depravity that you see. I think you become numb to it. And I think they stop realizing

what's really happening, you know? Yes. Like I think they say, uh, 20 years. Because you've said it so many times. You're not really thinking, wait a minute. Wait a second. This guy was selling marijuana. Like I get it.

It was a lot of marijuana. But what are you doing? or he was doing this or the person was doing that or like what, you know, what, that's a lot of fucking time. Like, this guy didn't harm anyone. Like, what are you doing? You know, I just think that they don't,

you know, because let's face it, they were giving people life sentences. They were given them 30, 40 years for marijuana at one point. That's crazy. Yeah, I know the guy, I knew guys that were getting, I know a guy that they pulled him over on the boat and all they found was like the seeds and bullshit from the bales. And they weighed, they determined,

how much that boat could carry, and that's what they sentenced him on. You didn't even find any drugs. You don't know if it was two bales. That's crazy. You guys said it was, no, no, it's 40 bales will fit here and this, and then they did some kind of a, had some fucking captain say how much it was. The guy got 40 years. He did all of it.

That's crazy. Cap Maron. They called him Cap' Moran. Cap Maron used to make paintings. He used to paint paintings of sailboats and shit and send it to his fucking wife, and she sold them at like, yeah, you paint in prison little sailboats and shit and salmon, Capron, little guy. So there was nothing there.

They just determined on what could be there. There was like shake. I think they call it shake, like the stuff that, and seeds and shit. So they knew it was marijuana. They knew there was some marijuana there, but you don't know how much marijuana. So, of course, he went to trial. That was his problem. He went to trial.

He probably could have gotten 10 years, let's say. But he said, fuck you. You didn't get nothing. You got me and two guys on a sailboat. you know like that's it and sees out we're going to trial he paid for everybody and they all went to trial and you fuck you when we're gangsters

40 years 40 years come on man well it's the same thing when my house got shot up they didn't know what they didn't know that I was selling weed right but they told me oh thank God you talked because we were going to arrest you because we found scales

found the scale well it could be this also here's the thing too about the state and I actually interviewed a a guy that was worked for the state and he agreed with me. And everybody that's been through agrees. A lot of times what the state will do is they'll arrest you. They don't have a case.

They have a hunch. Yes. They arrest you. They put you in jail. They charge you. They tell you're going to get 20 years. When really it's like, yeah, but you know that when I go to trial, the judge is throwing this out because it's not illegal to have scales.

You have nothing that. So, well, we arrested you on, let's say, paraphernalia. We're going to tell you you're going to get 10 years. You'll end up pleading guilty to three years probation. And then you can't sue us. Really, all we had was a hunch. So now, in the feds, if the feds come and they arrest you, they already know everything. They don't need your head.

They have a complete case. We've been working it for 18 months. We got you on five different recordings. We got all the wires we need. You're fucked. So now you cooperate. You're going to get 10 years or you cooperate. And you'll get two.

You know, or you can go to trial and lose and you might get 10. You might get 20. But we already have you. You going to prison is, that's inevitable. That's happening. I was a jail with a kid. He was 16 at the time. He didn't even know that his uncle was going into the jewelry store to rob it.

The uncle shoots a cop that was in there, you know, security guard. Before the security of dies, he shoots the uncle, the kid. he gets charged with murder because they said he was the getaway drive but he was like I didn't even know what was happening right he's saying I was just my uncle told me hey sit in the car sit over here drop me out in a little bit

yeah yeah and they charged him with the murder he didn't get life they gave him 35 to something but I mean at the time you to 19 years old at the time he got the deal I go you took it he goes yeah I took it you go I'm facing life I go that is life yeah

Yeah. Yeah, I knew a guy who was answering the phone for his kids' name was Lance. His dad was, he knew his son was selling ice. And he answered the phone one day of him on like one phone call where the guy said, hey, can you tell Lance that I'm going to come by and get that? And I need, and he named it, whatever, four ounces or whatever the was, you know. And he said, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I'll tell him. And so when they indicted Lance, they indicted the father. And they brought the father in. And the father said, well, I'm not going to talk to you. It's okay, well, you'll get 10 years. I mean, because we caught him with so much ice. Or we had so many control buys. This is how much he had. This guy's been buying from him for two years.

Lance is going to get 20 years. You're going to get 10. He said, oh, fuck you. I'm not talking about my son. He got 10 years. He got 10 years? He got 10 years. He just took it.

I'm not going to testify against my son. I mean, you know what I'm saying? And here's the thing. That prosecutor went home that night and slept like a baby. He told himself he did the world of favor by taking that father out of society. He told himself, I did, I did society a solid. I did humanity a solid. I scraped the wart off of the face of human.

I'm a good person. That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? It is crazy. Like, I don't know. For a phone car. for a phone call and like my son's doing something wrong I'm not doing anything wrong because I wouldn't cooperate because I won't I'm not going to cooperate against my son and that's it 10 years like come on man you could have given him probation you could have dropped the charges definitely probation you know but I don't know sometimes swirl's just messed up Matt it is so you know what you do is that when some guy calls and says hey tell lancid go fuck off I'm not telling lans Nothing. That's between you and him. Matter of fact, Lance, you got to move out. You got to move out.

Son, I know what I think I know what you're doing. I kind of, I'm sorry. I love you. You're my son. Thank you. But you're going to have to get your own apartment. You can't be doing that shit around here. That's just how you have to. Unfortunately, that's how you have to be because we do live, we do live in a, in a kind of a police state, you know? You know that because if the police knock on your door and you immediately get scared, you live in a in a police state, bro. The other day, a week ago, by accident, I called, I hit emergency. They kept calling me back. I didn't know, I didn't know that I did it. I kept getting a phone, but I just kept in, I'm getting ready for work. All of a sudden I here, knock on the door. My heart's already pumping. 11 o'clock at night and knock on the door. Right. If you sleep hot

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Like, did you call 911? I go, no. I look, and that's what it must have been. Right. And my heart was jumping. My girl's looking at me. Like, what did you do? She always, my girl doesn't think that if you get stopped by the cops, right, that they're going to be okay with.

You know what I was like, babe, I'm a criminal. Yeah. They're definitely going to think I'm off to no good. Yeah. She goes, no, no, no, no, no. Boziac, my buddy Boziac says, listen, every time, if the cops drive by me and see me, they pull me over. He's covered in. tattoos. They search his car.

They get, he's at every single time. They search it. Search his car. Give him a hard time. And I'm like, well, look at you, bro. He's like, yeah. I mean, he's like, I know, I know. I know what it is. I know. You know? And then towards they run his record. In and out of federal prison multiple times. It's like we got to search her car.

Yeah, she doesn't think. She doesn't, babe, they're not just going to search your coffin. I go, babe, I have a record. This was on a mom probation. They're searching this car. Yeah. Yeah. They think I'm up to no good. She goes, no, the world's not like that. Because she's, she's never gone in trouble before, never did anything wrong. You know what I mean?

She probably believes everything they tell her on CNN's true, too. Yeah. Like, you would never think a girl like her would go out with, tattooed, you know, jail. You know what I mean? It's the bad boy. I can fix it. I gave it a few girls. I was like, I don't think so.

I'm pretty fucked up. I think, well, I think that's what, the rich girl that I did. I think that's what she thought she could do. She could fix me, you know? I mean, the money was great, but she asked me one time, she goes, she put a pill down that she found the mine. She goes, me or that.

She didn't have to finish the sentence. I already grabbed that up. You didn't have, I never thought I would get clean. I have a brother 45 years old. He lives in the street. And I'm when I can't find him for months at a time, I get nervous, you know.

And I'm like, dude, why don't, you like I can't do it can't do it because we got him clean ones we got him a job he lived at my house for three months doing perfect rasa du called him from new hampsia he was like I got to go took the money he had saved and three days later he was broke I have a friend that cleans up for a year year and a half as soon as he gets a new car a new apartment is closed he's got everything back he's doing well He's you talk to him and you say man he's he's fucking he's doing great and then you'll get a phone call from his sister Four days later saying have you seen Bill you're like

No, why has he called you? No, why he hasn't been working four days. I'm worried and then five three four more days later You get a you get a phone call can you go pick up bill he's at the 7-Eleven Pick him up and he's hanging out with a fucking prostitute. He's like wearing bare shorts and the one shoe and you're like smoking a cigarette and he doesn't smoke and you're like, hop saying, hey man, what's going on? What's going on? Where's your phone, Bill? I fucked up again, bro.

I fucked up. You're driving. Where's your car? The fucking drug dealers got it because they'll sell it to the drug dealer and drive them around as long as they keep giving them, you know, rocks. Yeah, it's like you sold everything, your phone, everything. I stripped you of everything. Your bank account's overdrawn.

Everything's gone. It's like 18 months is gone in a week. And you're in debt $2,000. Like, I owe this guy $2,000 to get my car back. Can I borrow somebody? What the fuck out of here? You got to get out of my house. I have a sister.

She would give the car to the dealer. And my father one time, he goes, Mike. She lost the car. I just got a call. Why would it be in Lawrence? Lawrence is known for, you know, yeah. Yeah, what do you think? Right.

What do you think? No, she's clean now. You think? She was clean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she's been four days. She would do that.

She's been good now, lately, you know. Yeah. But, yeah, man, she would, I would give calls. I'm like, oh, my brother, my brother wants another to do it anyway. She's just too much, man. Yeah. She did the thing. I don't know if you ever heard.

They would take, she would take a credit card, go to Victoria's Secret, and get whatever the credit card was, buy all $50 gift certificates and then sell those for half price. Yeah. For cash? Yeah. I was like, I didn't even know you. could do that. I was like,

wish I knew that when I wasn't at it. Yeah, it's a, it's a horrible situation. I think at some point you get to that point where it's just like, you can answer the phone,

you can text them, but I'm done. You know what I'm saying? And I've got multiple friends, like I help lots of guys and, you know, help them once or twice, and then you get to the point,

like, yeah, it's too much. I can't. If you're going to clean up, you're going to clean up. You don't really need my help. I never forget, It was November 3rd.

I got picked up for a private Islander Australian order. And I sat there. And I go, I never forget, they gave me the McDonald's through the thing with the little juice. And I sat there. I go, this is, I'm done. I'm never doing it. And I, I don't even drink. I maybe have a drink once a, once a year, something like that.

Right. Nothing. No more. Yeah. I don't even cigarettes. You have some, probably just aged out of it. I mean, I smoke bud once in a while, you know, but nothing no more. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching.

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