Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Most Wanted Car Thief in America | Skinny Keem

Episode Date: September 7, 2024

The Most Wanted Car Thief in America | Skinny Keem

I can make $50,000 a week, because I'm bringing Bentley's, Porsches, Vauri's, I've net worth them $150 million. God could strike me down right now. I had lawyers, I had brain surgeons, I had nurses, all these people was buying the cars because it's good money. I used to be a big stealer. If I couldn't get it, I'm stealing it.

Right. So I would go in the corner stores. If my mom wouldn't give it to me, I'm stealing it. So this one time I went in the corner store, I wanted some cookies, and I picked the cookies up my arm's sleeve. I used to, like, still, but I slotted up my arm sleeve. And the people caught me. They chased me all the way home, stood at the corner, looked around the corner, seen what house I went in, came back later on, knocked on my door and told my mom. My mom beat me, but I was like, I'm hungry.

I just wanted to get something. How old were you? I had to be like seven seven because yeah it was around seven because I seen my first seven

so that wasn't bad yeah okay yeah so I would just jump right I came out of nowhere it was like seven it was the summer of

it had to be 86 87 so it was two little boys in the store and one of them name was Marcus Yates so I don't know if somebody came in and tried to rob the store or not they was in there playing a video game I came to get the cigarettes and I left out the store and as I was leaving out the store

two men was coming in and something happened they shot the store up and the little boy got shot in the head I came back I heard it I came back to the store and I seen him laying on the floor and the was coming from under the door back then it was they was like i guess they was warring with each other it was like the black mafia family and um well jbm junior black mafia and i think that jamaicans this is in philadelphia yeah it's in philadelphia so everybody was on pins and needles about that back then it was a lot of killing going on

back then but we stayed on a little block my block it wasn't too much going on you know you had the drug deals and stuff and i never went swimming or nothing i used to stay on the block and watch all the hustlers. Any neighborhood I went to, I stayed on the block and stayed back and watch all the hustlers because I knew I wanted to get money when I got older. So I would go to the store for them. They were all like, be nice to me and cool with me, and I just sit out there and watch them. I never went swimming.

I never played basketball. I used to ride my bike and be out there with the hustlers. Do you get in trouble in high school? I mean, you said, are you going to school? Stop going to school. When? middle school okay yeah I stopped I mean I would go periodically but I really stopped and I was rapping so the only time I went to school was to rap to like battle somebody because I was kind

of popular on a rap and so I wouldn't even go to learn I didn't I didn't really learn how to read and write or like really count money until I started moving the cars right because it was so much so one of my one of my African friends he kind of taught me he's he like all right 25 25 20s is 500 50 is right yeah so you got to at least know how to count money yeah it was like because I wasn't really dealing with large sums so I ain't I just was rapping I thought my whole life was gonna be rapping right yeah and you know you're still gonna need to know how to count money you make sure that people aren't they these guys are each other or left Right. You know, my buddy Zach is, he's a guy that comes on sometimes. We were in prison together. We both taught GED in prison. Yeah, black guy. Super funny. We were teaching GED one time. And he's telling this guy that we're teaching. And this was the, like the SLD, like the, you know what I'm saying, the slow. The guys that weren't going to get their GED. But they had to, so you did what you called life skills. So we were really teaching life skills, how to count money, how to keep a checking account.

And the guy, one guy was like, you know, Zach's going, you know, like, whatever his name was, T-Dog or something. He's like, what are you doing? He's like, you're got to at least have to learn how to count money. And he's like, he's like, I mean, he's, man, I ain't getting no job. And he said, yeah, but you're still going to go back out and sell drugs. He's like, you're going to have to learn how to count money. He's, man, my bitch count that money. And he goes, and he, and I heard that.

So now I'm like, looking over. And he goes, and I'll never forget he said, um, Zach goes, well, what if she counts it? What if she's ripping you off or she counts it wrong? He goes, man, I put that pipe on her. She count that shit, right? And Zach looked over at me and I went. And he was like, you got a point there, but still, you know, like, I hear you.

But anyway, sorry. Right. No, so I used to get the money and I would just count it like later. He was like, yo, you're not going to count the money? I'd be like, I counted it. And then I sit there and start counting it, and that should have taken longest shit. So he taught me how to do it. So I was running numbers in North Philly.

Okay. Yeah, with the number man. So he taught me how to run the numbers. I think, I don't know if him and my mom was like messing around, but he turned into like a five-a-figure for me. And he was like teaching me. So I did learn the numbers, but I still didn't, you know, count the money that good. But I learned how to do the numbers.

And one day I wanted to go home from his house. and he was doing something. He had something going on, and it was Christmas Eve. So I hear all this commotion outside. This is the second time I seen the Persian get killed. I hear all this commotion outside across the street at the barbershop. And as soon as I go to the window, I just hear, boom, boom, boom, boom. And I see them shooting the guy down.

Who's them? Drive by, just some people are right? No, no, no. I think it was a fight or something. But the gun, it just was like crazy. And to see that, I think I had to be about 16 at that time. And I seen that. And if we would have went out, if I would have went home,

we would have got shot because they shot the van up there. I was going to be sitting there. So I'm glad I didn't. But the next day, I was so mad and I went home. And I didn't talk to him because he didn't take me home that day. Even though the gun shit and all that, I still wanted to go home, but he wouldn't take me home. So I gets home, I didn't call him for three days, three, four days. And then the day that I called them, I kept calling the phone, and nobody answered, nobody answered.

And then I called again, and the detectives answered the phone. And they asked me, who was I calling for? And I told them who I was calling for, and they said that somebody came in there. thing and this is the guy that was kind of messing around with your the the numbers guy yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so they came in and thing but had i been there i probably would have got to but i was thinking maybe if i was there i could have saved them but i don't know because he used to had his small gun he took he taught me how to shoot this gun it was a dillinger a two shot the bullets was like that big

but he taught me how just the case somebody came in there but I wasn't there to save him to help him okay so did you ever find out who killed him? Nope never found out where do you go from there

from there I mean you're not in school you didn't go out and get a jog no so so what I did was when I was staying with the number man what I did was I didn't go to school but I would go to the library and study FBI stuff.

Okay. Like, I would go to the library on, I think it was like 26 in Lehigh. And I don't know why I couldn't go to school, but I can go into the library and just study. And I still couldn't read good, but I would just, you know, I can pit stuff together still. I don't know if I was trying to study them because I wanted to be a criminal. Or I don't know if I was trying to study it. because I wanted to be in the FBI. And I think that's how I got away with what I was doing for so long

because I tapped into whatever they learned. And another thing crazy, this later on in the story, I told them what I was doing. They didn't believe me because I was trying to get my friends off. Right. I'm like, this is what I'm doing. I am really him. I'm really doing this.

I'm doing it. And they didn't believe me. They still locked me to f-up, but they still didn't believe me, though. My thing was, I started renting cars. I always had to have a car. I started renting cars. And I would see other people in the car, I mean, other people in the neighborhood, and they had nice cars.

And I used to always be like, where the fuck is they getting these cars from? But they were stolen. They was from off the lot. So what I did was I go back down to Logan, and I run into one of my homies. And they're stealing cars. This before I even got in the game on it I just wanted something to ride around there They stole in cars and

probably selling them for like two, three hundred dollars So this isn't 2000 2001 yeah it isn't 2000, 2001 so they stealing cars But he was doing it back in In like 98 And shit like that

But I ain't really pay no attention Because I ain't know how to drive I ain't learn how to drive until I was 20 Okay So I went back there And we started buying Stolen cars we started buying them for like $200 and shit like that and just ride them around the neighborhood and all that shit.

So later on, I'm going to just tell you how this shit started. Okay. So I got out of jail in 2006. What were you in jail for? The drugs. All right, so I was in jail for old drug charge from 2000 and, I think, I think 2000, yeah, from an old drug charge in 2000. And they kept on being on my ass about it.

So, because I never went to court. Well, that seems like a reasonable. Yeah. So I never went to court and shit. So I finally go to, well, they finally grabbed me because they was talking about some shit. So they, they come, they surround the car. I'm driving one day. And I noticed this cop behind me, but I ain't, I ain't really paying no attention to them.

So I started digging up my nose just thinking that they're going to ride by. So the man pulled me over, and then when he comes to the car, I give him my little brother name. And then he goes back to the car. The only reason why they knew who I was is because I gave him my little brother name, but I gave him the same address as the house that the warrant was for. Okay. So. They connected it.

Yeah. And my picture came up. So all these cops just came out of nowhere and shit. Pull me out the car, take me down to the roundhouse. They questioned me for like three days. I don't know what's going on. I'm telling them, like, I don't know what's going on. They're questioning you about a person that you don't know anything about.

Yeah, that I ain't know nothing about. So they let me out and they come back. They come back, I think, like, six months later or something like that. And they locked me up on a warrant. They just locked me up. So I'm in court. A warrant for what? The drug charge.

or warrant for the drug charge. So I'm in court, and I think they're about to let me go. And then the judge yell out. He wanted downstairs from... And I'm like, hold up. I ain't nobody. So my mom and my baby mom was in the courtroom. And then...

So I knew it wasn't serious because they gave me a bell. They gave me a $25,000 bell. But they was trying to hold me in jail, thinking that I wasn't going to pay the bell. which I didn't. I still didn't pay the bail. So I finally got about all of that. It wasn't no, I ain't get charged with no nothing.

They just wanted me to talk, but I wasn't nothing to talk about. I didn't know shit. So I got out of jail for that, from that. When I got out, I needed a car to drive. So I went to the, me and my homies, we used to always go to the mall. So I goes to the mall, and I see the guy to be taking the cars. So we cool. I know them.

We, we good. But so I shake his hand. I'm like, yeah, I just got out of jail. And I'm like, yo, you still, I wanted an Audi TT. I still have an Audi TT. Yeah, I wanted an Audi TT. And I just came home. So I wanted to go flogged.

I wanted to go floss around. So I'm like, yo, can you give me a drop-top Audi-T-T? I want an Audi-T-T. It was coldest shit outside. I didn't get it. I'm like, I want an Audi-T-T. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to get you tomorrow and we're going to go out. So he came and got me the next day.

And we went up to, I think it was. It was Bucks County, and he gave me the keys to a Chrysler 300. It was 2006 when it just came out, and he had the keys the one. So he parks his car across the street from the dealership, and he goes over there. He's like, all right, when I get in mine, you got to get in yours, and let's go. So he goes over there, and I go over there with the keys, too, but I freeze up. I got scared, and I left, because I ain't ever do it before. That was a pro.

in the car and just drove off like it was his and I get to the door and I'm like damn nah so I go back and I call him I'm like man I'm just following you so we find he's he was a pro man even on the expressway we seen the cops right there he hauled ass and he just

keep on going like it wasn't nothing so how is he getting the keys he would go the day before and just go in the dealership and if the keys just laying around he would just take him or he'll reach behind the counter he'd go in the key room

back then it was it was easier and it wasn't that many cameras I mean it was cameras but now it's so high tech now but he would get the keys and then the next day we would go back sometimes he would take them right then and there right when he take the key he would take the car

right yeah I seen him do that a couple times in Cherry Hill with a Porsche he was getting so much shit so I got scared and we leaves and then the next day he like all right i'm going to get you a truck so because we was going to get a mobile home he was going to take a mobile home like you know the the big ass mobile homes yeah he's going to take a mobile home so i had got the truck it was not an RV but a mobile home the RV drone but the big ones oh okay yeah yeah the RV so he get me to the f-150 that is a brand new one

so now i'm cool and it's 2007 it was 2006 but he gave me a 2007 one. So I ride around in this truck for like six months. Nothing. You never got the Audi TT. No, I never got that. I wanted it. I was pressing them about it. So I just got the F-150 instead. So I got that truck and we had lost contact, but I ride around six months with this truck. Nothing happens. And this is you're riding around, like is there a tag on it? Yeah, so I put a truck tag on it, just a random truck tag. It didn't even matter where it was from. But it was a truck so the cops don't really mess with trucks they don't really you know so I rides around and it man I was taking that truck out of town and everything I was like other people

driving so I rides around for six months in a truck and then I go to my old neighborhood in southwest and I run into one of my friends and he like yo you want to sell that truck and I'm like at first I didn't because I'm riding around and then he was like yeah my my folks are by it I said they ain't got no paperwork or nothing he like what they don't care so i'm like all right how much you think they're gonna get me they gave me 1500 for it and that's when i started my shit i had met the direct connect when i sold that so i asked him i asked the connect i said hey which y'all want like what kind of cars you want he said range rovers what do you mean the direct connect you said that this was just this was some random guy that bought the truck for 1500 yeah so so the guy my friend

that was trying to sell the truck for me. Yeah. He took me to the guy. That gave me the $1,500. Okay. So when you said my folks, you didn't mean his parents. No. You mean.

That's what I was saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was picturing like an old couple. Yeah. No. Like, yeah. No, that's sling. Yeah, so.

So the connect, so he's got a connect that will buy the truck and he buys it for $1,500, but now you met him. Yeah, I mean. that day so you already got a buddy that steal shit steals yeah so it was on and and and the guy that the guy that took me to the connect he was doing his own thing he was already doing his own thing so I don't know how much cut he got off of that and I really don't care about what people cut is I just care about what I asked for right you give me what you ask for I don't care if you get a million dollars for it I just want what I asked for it I don't watch nobody else

pockets so he took me to him and he let me meet him. Right. And we start talking, we exchanged numbers, and I asked him, what do you want? And he says, they really want range rovers. So I got home. Who's they? You don't really know.

Overseas. Yeah. Do we find out that later or do you know now? Like it's going. Yeah. And Sierra Leone or Freetown. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I had people from.

So this is, Africa, all countries. Is that, is that in, is that South Africa? Yeah. Yeah, South Africa, right? So at this point, had they explained the operation to you? Like, hey, we're taking these cars and shipping them overseas? Or you just gas- Somewhat, but, yeah, I just figured it out.

Yeah. Yeah. We did a, I should send you this. We did an episode on this guy with this New York City detective in the stolen, whatever they call it, stolen auto cars unit. He worked there for like 20 years. His name was Vic Ferrari. and he worked there for like 20 years

and I did an episode on we did a couple episodes on him he's got some hilarious storage bro you get a kick out of his yeah you definitely matter of fact one of those TikToks got like 5 million years or something

because they they like to talk about that especially this was Mike Tyson's motorcycle was stolen and he was like a part of finding it or they found it they found it in pieces like by the time that they had a

they had a snitch that would call and be like, hey, listen. And he's like, he's out there stealing cars. He's doing shit. He's like, but, you know, periodically, he had some competition, whatever. And he, because that way you get to stay on the street and do whatever you're doing. He'd call up and be like, like, listen. My, you know, my guy so-and-so, yeah, he'd go, he just stole Mike Tyson's, dukotty.

Dukadi. Yeah, Dugati. Dugati. No, he's a Degaddy. So, Ducati. Ducati. Yeah, the motorcycle. He said he just stole it.

And they're like, all right, where is it? Because everything, that's pretty cool, right? Like, we'll go get it. And he's like, where is it? Where is he? Well, it's, it's in boxes right now. They've already taken it about it. He's like, about an hour ago.

And within an hour or two, they had taken it, broken it part, put it into boxes, and they're shipping it's like Haiti. So he said, I'll give you the container that they're bringing it, where they're bringing it. And they went there and they got it back. Mr. Tyson was pissed. He's because they were like, like, broken all that. Yeah, he's like, well, what am I going to do this? Yeah, that's what they do. They chop and stuff.

down send it over now but yeah I'll I'll send you his his link to that video to his videos because he's got hilarious story so so you meet the connect you kind of figure out they're kind of shipping these things and then he tells you this is basically we're looking for

range rovers yeah range rovers Toyotas basically foreign shit yeah foreign shit yeah bentley's or you know are they asking are they tell did he give you like a price like hey if you get this

Yeah, so I was charging $2,500. Right. Yeah, I just started. I was charged $2,500. So I was making $500, and I would make the person that going get it, I would still make them give me $200 for me, you know, for me. So I'm making $700 at first. So at first you're just like a broker? Yeah, I'm a broker through the whole thing.

but sometimes I had to put my big boy pants on and make sure that a order got filled because I used to get orders like written orders and hand in notes of it. So the guy that goes and steals the vehicle gets two grand but he gives you 200 so he gets 18. You get 500, you sell for 2,500. So he's 500, 7.

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So he said they want Range Rover. So I went home, I started making calls. And the next day, we went out, we went up to, I think, Allentown. So we get to Allentown. We park on the lot. And a lady was getting her Range Rover serviced. So that was the first Range Rover we got. He went in.

and just got right in it from the service area. And I just follow him right back to the city. And then I just... What's she do? Does she see it or? I don't even think she... He's so smooth that you wouldn't even know. Right.

And he didn't wear no, like, worker clothes. He just wore his own clothes and just, he'd been doing this for so long. So he was just so smooth with it. I used to watch him and be like, damn. Just that cut that confidence. It looks like he's, looks like he belongs there. If I call him and I say somebody wants something, he's going to get it he he going to get it and he liked it he liked the he like the massages

so every time he missed the move he'll go down chinatown get a massage every time it was gonna say it was it's funny you know when I was would do was doing fraud and I like have fake credit cards and stuff like you know I ordered the credit cards I know they're not stolen I it's in a fake identity right so I'm the one who applied for the credit card I get a $10,000 credit card something in a fake identity. So there's nobody to complain, right? And I would get the card and I'd go up with somebody and go to use the card. Like, we'd go buy $1,000 with something.

And I'd go to use the card. But because I know, nobody is complaining about this card. It was issued to a fake synthetic identity that has a perfect credit. Like, there is no way for them to detect this fraud. But the person that I'm with, who's done nothing. But because they don't really understand that they don't have that confidence that they 100% know what's happening. Right. They get all nervous.

Like they can you can see it. You can see them. They're looking around. They're they're looking at the exit there. And so come the fuck. They're like nobody. Like it's not a stolen car. Like I'm not going to pay and the person's going to grab the phone and go code red, code red.

Like we're not getting arrested. We're going to buy our shit and leave. But you could tell the difference between somebody who 100% is confident. Right. They walk in the place. like they own it, nobody in the place looks at them or, and they don't feel like this person shouldn't be here. They actually walk in.

They, you can, that confidence kind of, you know, it kind of permeates around them. And everybody looks over and it's like, oh, he should be here. Like, they just accept the fact that because he walks in so confidently, right, walks in, hey, what's going on? What's going on with this? He was wondering, you know, you know where the manager is real quick? Oh, yeah, yeah, he's back here where another guy walks in. He's like, excuse me, um, uh, and they're like, okay, what are he doing here?

You see what I'm saying? Right. So, I mean, I get what you're saying, where you're saying he just walks in. He's so smooth, but it's really, it's like, it's confident because he's done it so many times. Yeah. He's just, you know, he's just, like you said, perfectly smooth that nobody even questions him. Nobody question him. I couldn't even question him.

I thought all the shit was his at first when I first met him at him. I'm like, damn. It was his. Yeah. I'm like, he got the jag. He could be 24s on him up. Yeah. So he grabs that vehicle.

Yeah, he get it. So what I used to do was when they get the vehicle, they'll bring it down. Then I would get in the vehicle and I take it to the destination, the drop point, wherever they was meeting me at. So this is the beginning. So I didn't really have everything down pack yet. But I was getting. So maybe that week, maybe we got maybe three. three that week

and then maybe I know it was like six all together because we was getting them and the money then was so it was so fast and it was so good that you didn't even have to wait

they had the money there and I got up to the point where they were sending me $100,000 and shit like that just to buy them and sit them I had like a whole

I'm trying to see how the news said it it said I had a whole car lot or you know just stripped out but people was the people that was trying to set me up it was people that was trying to set me up so they would bring me cars with the jacks on them and the police is watching them that's a little bit later in the story but the police was watching but yeah how do you get the group of guys like this one guy's not stealing all the cars so this is what I did all right so and what do you do but sorry and also like where's that money go you got 2,500 bucks you get

you know like you gotta be doing something i i wasn't you're not still living with your mom i wasn't i was i was i was because i didn't it was something new and i thought i would go to jail forever but i wasn't going to stop but i wasn't spending my money i walked around with flip flops on right every single day i just wanted a nice car and i wasn't spending my money but later on in the story i get robbed for all of it okay yeah well go ahead that's told me Exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, so, what was that?

You were, you were like, how do you get the guys? Oh, how do I get the guys? So after I meet the Connect, I had got another car. I started renting cars. I didn't handle license, so I needed somebody to rent a car. So I got, I think one of my female friends I was messed with at the time would rent me cars. So I had a rental car and I would ride around the whole Philadelphia all day long. And everybody I seen that I knew from childhood.

or that like it could be a bum at the gas station and I ride up like hey I know you don't want to be out here I got something that's going to get you a lot of money just take my number and just hit me up and we'll talk about it so but my friends though I would get out the car and I'd be like look man y'all ain't got to sell drugs no more you ain't got to rob no more I got to wait everybody could get some money and is that fast so I went around the city just recruiting people and then the people I recruited I recruited when somebody else would find out like that they was getting a lot of money they would try to get my phone number but but wouldn't nobody get my phone number out unless I said it so people call me like hey such-and-such-and-such want to get down is it cool and then if I really mess with them I was like all right come on so it was about I had about at the end I had about 26 to 30 people bringing me cars okay but I mean that can't be like every day that's like man dumb shits was coming every I was it was so many cars coming that half of the time I couldn't sell them I had to start buying them myself from from people right because I didn't want people going out to keep getting them

and then they just sit and now they keep calling my phone like hey you said the buyer was coming he said the buyer was coming so what happens I mean initially you you go around you start getting guys do you go back to the plug and er you are you not just bringing them cars so whenever he would call because this was just one plug at the time and then periodically he would let me meet somebody else that had him going somewhere else so i had people in london i had i had a lot of people coming from holland a lot of people would come meet me people that didn't even speak english would come meet me and i would charge everybody a thousand dollars just to come talk to me even if i didn't get the cars and then i will make you put a deposit down just in case you didn't come get the car so you give me

$10,000 or even if the person gave me the $100,000. If you didn't come get that one first car, that was it. You burnt your whole $100,000. Because you're stuck with the car and you've got to pay the guy who stole it, right? Yeah. So I used to make people want to come and get their shit. That's why I put them rules in place. So my people wouldn't be waiting to get paid and I wouldn't be waiting to get paid and

you could get your stuff. So if y'all didn't, so if they didn't have a container, they would call sometimes and try to something out, but I didn't like to have all them cars around the neighborhood. So they basically, like, hold the car, we're getting the container. It's going to be here in a week, and you're like, what I'm going to do with them? Numerous A's for a week. Yeah, but I ain't give them no week. I gave them hours.

You weren't here in a couple hours. You forfeit your money, and this car going to somebody else. Because I had so many, I had so many buyers. Are these guys getting busted ever? Like, are there? So, so. So in 2009, right, it was the recession. Okay.

I think when did the recession? Yeah, 2008 financial crisis that lasted years. Yeah. So it put a strain on the ship and it shit and they busted somebody. So when they busted them, I was doing it for what, two years now, six, seven, eight. How many cars are we talking about a week? I mean, I know it varies. Yeah, it varies.

So maybe four in a week, four or five in a week. It all depended on who needed money. This was like a who need money thing. Like, hey, I'm going to go out of town. So, yo, I need $10,000 real fast. All right, call him up, and we're going, you know, we're going to go take him a car. See if somebody wanted a car. They called me Ace, though.

My name was Ace, so the Africans called me Ace. So they're like, yo, call him up and, you know, we're going to do that. If somebody wanted to go to party, if somebody wanted to go out of town, all they had to do is call me and bring me a car and they had money for it. You could just throw the money away because the money was coming right back. But me, I wasn't. Like I said, I stayed in flip-flops and I basically rented a car or I would trade cars with one of my homies. Okay. I got a question.

So you said like the plug would give you like 100 grand or something like that. Like what kind of, how's that deal structured, I guess? Are they saying, hey, like, here's $100,000, send us 100 cars? No, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so what I would do is, is, if they give me $100,000, I would go try to find somebody that I could give $1,000 to for each car. So I pocket the rest of the money. This is why I had so much money. So you figure I get to keep the rest of that. And these are just guys that are just guys that are.

are just professional are these professional thieves that are car thieves or are they just are these just guys i think they turned then no i think they turned then what the ones that i was giving a thousand dollars to yeah that so the thousand dollar cars them was cars that probably was taken from a home or something okay yeah but i'm saying no i'm saying that guy you give a thousand dollars to is he a professional thief no or he's just some guy he's selling he's robbing houses he's doing whatever to survive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to survive. Did you have guys that were, like, professionals like the first guy? Yeah, that's everybody turned into professionals.

Okay. Anybody that was making the good amount of money, they turned into professionals. And then, but you said periodic, well, at one point you said, like, somebody got busted one time. Yeah, so they caught a container. They caught containers, and I was in on them containers, but nobody never said my name. So I got a call from the federal downtown. from the Fed's downtown. The person on the other end of the phone,

he said, this was my plug. This was my connect. He said, they know who you are. You got to lay low. He says something like, they don't. He's calling you from the jail. I promise you, I swear. He called me and said,

he even said they know your name or they know who you are, but they just don't, they just can't get you. Yeah. Yeah. Your name's been brought. brought up several times. They just don't have enough to arrest you. Yeah. So one time I was going to Florida. I stayed going to Florida. So I had one of my

homies and I'm like, we doing shit together for a while. So I'm like, we was up in a, he would get his cars from Bucks County. So I'm like, yo, do not do nothing until I come back from Florida. The money, everything is going to be fine. Just don't do nothing until I come back from Florida. I got my people and I told them that I was going out of town so shit come to a halt. He goes, I guess he, the shit be so addictive. I'm not going to lie, the shit's so addictive. He goes with his girlfriend to the lot where we already had some keys from. He goes and the cops is there waiting for him. So he takes the car off the lot and they chases him and they catches him. Okay. And that's, I don't know if that was,

how we really got on the radar because he went to jail. I didn't go to jail. He didn't say nothing. But I think they already knew who I was, but they just couldn't get me. And he didn't give me up. Right. Yeah, so he went to jail.

But I told him, don't go. And they got in a car chase, and I think he crashed to some shit. So that, yeah. So that's when I had to fall back a little bit. But after I got that call from the federal joint, And I'd be like, I don't, what, who? Who? I don't know who you, who is this?

It's crazy. And another crazy thing is he called me again after the case was, was after we got busted. And guess what he said this time? He said, you got to, you got to take the deal because I got to tell on you. Take what? Oh, this is later when you get through. Yeah, it's later. He said, you got to take the deal because I got to tell on you.

Right. But we still friends to this day. I don't be giving a fuck about it. that shit man we is the game what the um so when the the one guy got busted they

you said they they would your buddy they chased him he grabbed yeah he got busted is that how the container they got to the container no they ain't how they got yeah no they ain't they ain't get to the containers

yet but I think that they brought my name up on that oh okay yeah so when they got the containers and shit this one it was over I had $600,000 right and I'm thinking that that Africans, you know, the people that I'm working with, I'm thinking that we buddy, buddy, that we tight tight. So everybody trying to get their money out of here from out of the United States.

So what I did was I tried to pit it into a construction company over in Africa. But, you know, I'm still oblivious to this shit. I'm still kind of dumb. And if you just ask me for it, I'm like, all right, well, look, they like, everybody's sending their money out. You need to do this or you need to do that. Nothing. Did you ever see a movie called the layer cake? No.

You got to watch this movie. You got to like this movie. The layer cake. The layer cake. It's about a guy, a drug dealer, well, it's not drug dealer. He's a trafficker, a drug trafficker in London. And he's laundering his money through a Pakistani guy. So the whole time you kind of hear this is what he's doing with his money.

His whole thing is that he's, He's trying to get like, I don't know if it's a million or five million, whatever it is. He's every week when he gets paid, he goes and he gives the Pakistani money. And he was the guy who, one of his suppliers is the one who said, look, if you need to launder your money, you need to use my guy. He's been doing it for me for 20 years, you know, that kind of thing. So he's good. He'll get into a bank account. He laundries it.

He pays the taxes on it. Everything. Perfect. The guy's like, okay. So he starts giving him all his money. So he does this for years. So he's got, he's trying to get to a number. I don't know whether it's a million or five million, whatever it is.

And he's like, when I get to that number, I'm quitting. And when he finally gets to that number and he goes to show up to get his money, the place is close. It was all a scam. Pakistan has been, he's been stealing their money the whole time and they have no idea. And then one day he shows up thinking he's got like $5 million and it's an empty office. That was like that movie empire too. Oh, my God. You've heard me, you've heard, I did a review on that.

That's a great movie. Yeah, it is. That's a great movie. It is. But that's how they get you, though. This is how these people get you, especially when they think you slow. And they used to, I used to hate it, though, but they used to call me an Uncle Tom. Okay.

They would call Zach an Oreo. But I'm like, I'm thinking like, y'all ain't orange or black, too. They just call me Uncle Time, I guess, because I'm from America. or whatever but yeah blacks from Africa like do not like blacks from they don't not unless you're giving them that money not unless they're making that and I had like to be honest I had God could strike me down right now

I had lawyers I had brain surgeons I had nurses all these people was buying the cars right because it's good money the money is so good I had people praising me when I got locked up they called me when I when I When I got out, thank you, A's, thank you for not, you know, flipping on us and all that, because they had, like, career. Yeah, yeah, they got real jobs. Yeah.

Well, I'm sorry. So you were selling direct to just people, too? Like, these cars, you said the lawyers and Brainserner are buying these cars. Are they buying them from the plug or they buy them straight from you? No, they, I, it came to where it was just me. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess this is a part where I was a little confused. I was kind of waiting to ask.

Originally, you were making $700 a transaction brokering. deal did it progress right yeah so how much were that's why that's why I said when when I said the $100,000 yeah it's a $10,000 that's not $10,000 that's not $2,500 bucks a car yeah yeah that's 10 grand yeah that's 10 grand but I would keep the rest all the whole yeah but but but before all that so it got to the point where I probably can make $50,000 a week because I'm bringing and everybody else was making a lot too right you know i mean the top level people was making a lot too but if you was doing some dumb shit like you taking the car and is a carjacking or some shan i ain't really

yeah yeah that's gonna that leads that yeah i ain't want to know where that's a whole nother detain's a whole other thing so what so what was happening with me on i was doing was receiving stolen property right yeah so it's that i mean i made a lot of money on that i made a lot of people a lot of money. I had met a guy in prison. He's like 5'3, probably little black guy. But when I say little black guy, I mean like, like they called him Mighty Mouse. He had a tattoo of Mighty Mouse. He was like jacked, right? Like, I mean, he, he went, he looked like a V. Like it was straight down to, but he was big. And he'd been locked up, whatever, three to six months, whatever. So, you know, you get locked up. You start losing weight. You can't work out. He can't take

the steroids he was taken or whatever. Super nice guy. And he had actually been to prison before for fraud and he got out and he started stealing cars but like I had explained what he was doing was he was going into a car dealership with a check because back then you would get like if you remember a credit union this this went on for you know five six years they may still do it I don't even know but they would actually mail you a check that would say you're pre-approved up to $80,000 or $50,000 or whatever it is. You can go buy your new card at a 6% interest rate, whatever. And so he would take that. He made his own. So he made his own checks from a fake bank. And he had a phone number on it. It looked just like a one from Bank

of America or, you know, Suncoast Credit Union, whatever. He kind of came up with like his own credit union, let's say, so bank credit union. I forget what it was. So he would take that. He'd go and he'd find a car. He'd go drive a car. You know, let's say, I'm going to say $100,000 Mercedes, which is now probably 180,000 on Mercedes, so it was 20 years ago. So he'd go buy the, go test drive the car, say, man, this is it. I want it. He'd say, where's the finance? You know, they'd work out a deal on how much he's going to pay. He said, you know, I'd haggle for an hour or so, get a decent price, going into the finance manager's office. They'd say, okay, let's go ahead and take an application. He'd go, no, no, no, I'm already pre-approved through my bank. He'd pull out the check.

And to be honest with you, they don't really like that. Like, they want to finance you because they get points on the back and everything. So, and he was like, no, no, no, I'm already approved. I want to go through that. I'm going to go to my bank. I like my bank. So he gives them the check. And the guy's like, what is this?

And he reads it. He's like, oh, okay. So I got to call this number. They call that number. He then, the guy called, the finance manager calls the number. It rings through the guy's girlfriend answers the phone, saying, you know, Sunco's credit union. And then he's like, oh, she's like, what is it? Oh, okay.

Oh, you have a check. Hold on. Let me switch you at that department. She puts them on hold, whatever. comes back later, with another, you know, slightly different voice or another girl, whatever the case may be, so that this guy thinks he's being transferred around. Get the, okay, yes, I have him. Hold on.

What's the account number? What's this? Okay, do you have the code? What's the authorization? Okay, what kind of car is it? What's the VIN number? Okay, so that would be a, you know, 2006, you know, 2006 Mercedes, you know, blah, blah, whatever it is because they already know what they're getting.

because he already had somebody go three states over and find the exact same vehicle with the VIN number. So they know what it is. He's already told her what it is. It makes it sound like she's putting it into the system. It's all bullshit. So when she's like, how much is it? Okay, yeah, he's approved for that. No problem.

And she would say, now here's what you can do. You can either fax me over the paperwork and I can issue you a check. Or you can actually fill out the check you have in front of you and you can just deposit in your bank. and it was, you know, and it's perfectly clear. Here's the authorization code. Give it to them. This is all bullshit. None of this is happening.

They would then, they'd go clean the car, fill it up, fill up the tank. They'd give mats, new mats, the whole thing. He'd wait, he'd have some coffee. An hour, hour and a half later, the car's ready to go. They'd give him three sets of keys. He gets in the car and drives away. He drives it to like an auto body shop or his house. I don't really know where he was doing it.

And then he would, they would crack the, the windshield. He said they had the suction cup thing where they could pull the windshield off and he said you can actually, he could replace the VIN number. He could replace the VIN number on the side doors. And he said that's all they ever really did. He didn't go in the engine or anything. He said once he got that

VIN number, they would dummy up like a fake the fake paperwork that shows that he, so that it looks like he paid for the car. He would then go register the vehicle in Atlanta, in Georgia. They would issue, so now it's registered, but he actually

never registered him in his name. He would wait until he sold them. He was so it's a hundred thousand dollar vehicle. He said he would sell him like 30 cents on the dollar. So you're a drug dealer. You want to buy this vehicle. And you know it's going to be registered in your name. So he's like, give me your name. We're going to go downtown. We're going to register it. It's going to be in your name. You give me 30 grand. The guy gives him 30 grand. They go register. He gets an actual, an actual title. So they issue you, they give you a fake little title. Then they issue you with no one. So this guy owns a $100,000 brand new Mercedes for 30 grand in cash. And he told me a bunch of stories about how they would try and fuck them out of the money. And they've only got

$20,000 now. And you'd be like, what the fuck is what, you know? So, but anyway, what happened was he's been doing this for years. He's living in like a, you know, like a $1.5 million house or something. Like it was, you know, and that's like a $3 million house, four million dollar house now. Like it was insane. Like, you could tell the guy had money. You know, you could just look at somebody and have a conversation with him. And you can tell him. Yeah, you've, you've you've had money and you've had it for a while anyway he gets into a he ends up his girlfriend's one of her friends she finds out she gets pissed at him she calls the police police show up he's got like six or five brand new vehicles sitting in his front

driveway he said he had a round driveway so there was a vehicle on every single one the cops he said he gets a knock at the door and opens the door and the cops are like these are vehicles he's like they arrested him right then throw him in jail and he hadn't he never did get back out. Now, part of that is I want to say he was on federal probation already from the other fraud, but I don't know. I feel like that's the case, but whatever. Super nice guy, but he was making 30,000, he was making 30% because he was selling them to drug dealers who paid him in cash. Right. And that was such, like, I don't know all the logistics of, I probably got the chain of how that scam worked, but it was, it was brilliant, you know?

Of course he went to prison, God knows what he interviewed. He was thinking he's going to get, oh, I'm only going to get three or four years or something. He was thinking, I was thinking, I don't know, you've already been in trouble. He did three or four years last time. They'll tend to give you another three or four years. Yeah. He would have been a great story. I wish I could remember.

All I knew was Mighty Mouse. But so, like, yeah, it reminds me. It makes me think that, like, what you're saying is that, you know, well, he was selling them specifically to drug dealers. But if he could sell him to. to people that had means, then yeah, then you could get a lot more money. Yeah.

And they were still, she said, he said, $30,000 for a brand new car. He said, they're still trying to fuck me. He's like, you understand,

literally they could turn around and go sell that vehicle, you know, to a private person. He's he can't sell it to a dealership, you can't, you know. And another thing that he did that out of state, he said the problem is,

like, he would tell them, like, get it service, but don't go to the dealership. Right. Because what happens is when the other vehicle gets sold and they're going, it shows up with the, computer that hey four states away or three states away two weeks ago you got an oil change

why are you back here for an oil change and why are you four states away right so he was he had all these things that he was you know doing to try and mitigate his you know his risk but you know he just couldn't keep his you know dick in his pants so so yeah so he was selling so I was just saying it's a similar thing where he was selling to and you've got these vehicles. But here's the thing with him. Like, if you're selling those vehicles to some doctor, like I get them shipping them internationally.

Mm-hmm. How does the doctor get that vehicle registered in his name? Where? Like, if you sell, if some doctor says 20 or 30 grand... Everything is overseas. Right. So they got their own politics over there. So once it land...

So you're selling it to a doctor, but he's shipping it overseas. He's not trying to register here. No, nothing that I ever had was for America. Okay. Nothing that I ever got was for America. The only time that something stayed in America is when it got caught up. So when they found the container or something like that, my shit still had lowjack on it. It still, we had plastic on it.

It still got both of the keys because that's what they really always wanted, both of the keys and stuff like that. they was like brand new couple miles if anything so these straight and narrow or straight and narrow like doctors and stuff they're they're they're exporting stolen cars and i know my like my father when i was like 13 14 we went to germany and bought directly from BMW like watched his BMW get made got in the vehicle drove it on the auto bond like we drove it around for four or five days and then drove to the port and handed it off at the port and they shipped it over here which was you know super cool but yeah it was not the process that was all legitimate yeah but the process of shipping a car overseas isn't i don't think it's that difficult well i think it is

illegal to buy it is to export yeah it is it is a hell of a process they get them got to get to get They got to get the container, you know, you got to get the truck, got to have somewhere to park. Like I said, I used to have like 10 cars parked waiting for a truck to come. And nobody ever knew what I was doing except for the people that was, you know, that I went around and recruited. I never told my family. And if I had a girlfriend, she knew because half of the time she was driving me around anyway. Right. I wouldn't trust nobody else.

so what so was anybody else caught like were there ever you're saying your name's being brought up like at some point do more people get caught and they put together you know do they start looking at you following you seven years later seven years so this goes on for seven years it went on for seven years okay so in 2009 remember I was talking about the recession and stuff and I and I sent the money and I and I didn't get nothing no the construction construction company. I sent the $600,000 because everybody was trying to move their money out because the something just got hit and they took cars and all that. It came on the news. I remember because pay phones were still out. And I got out the car. I ran into the bar and I seen it on the news and I came

outside on the pay phone and I called my connect off the pay phone and was like, yo, I don't know what's going on, but I just seen it on the news and they just like, yeah, it just lay low. And nobody told on me, though. So I knew they was watching me So what I did was I sent everything I had I wanted to make it look like I was just flat broke I sent everything I had to an overseas thing To at least have a construction company, John Because I was getting the excavators

To dig the diamonds up So how do you send 600,000 overseas You just pack it up? You just have cash, right? Yeah, I just had cash. So you're just packing in a bag and suitcase and give it to someone? Yeah, take it to the... And so you're taking...

They know what to do. They know what to do with the money. I didn't know what to do with the money. I was scared. I thought I was about to go to jail for a long-ass time. Just seeing it because I didn't know the game like that, I just knew that I could sell a car. But when I seen them up, boat on the news and they're pointing out countries on the news,

I'm like, oh, shit. I'm scared to death at this point. And then I get the call from the feds, like, hey, they know who you are. And then I had a case. with the city so that that's 600,000 that I had, I ain't even care about it because I had a case I was, I was suing the prison system. And that was supposed to have been for a million dollars. So I didn't care about the $600,000 because I just got the paper on, hey, this is what we're going for for the city. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to be cool. I'm going to just, you know,

use that money. That didn't happen. I was going to say, it's virtually impossible. Yeah, that. government and get anything. Yeah, I got, I got, I got $18,000 from them. They didn't give me no million dollars. That paper, yeah. So what I did was, I didn't have nothing. So I was messing with this girl. So I went and I stayed in her, in her basement. Her aunt let me come stay in a basement because my mom was moving to Florida. So, and I wanted to stay back in Philly until things blew over. So I went to her house in Upper Darby. I said, stayed in the basement.

I did this shit for about nine months. I started going to school because I knew that the cops was watching me. I knew that they was on my ass. So I put on scrubs and I put on a stethoscope. I got a book bag and I got some of my girlfriend books, nursing books. And I started sneaking into her college, taking nursing classes. Okay. The whole time the cops was, you know, trying to put a case on me.

But they couldn't pit and I know him because they never seen me. I never was doing nothing, too. So I stayed away in that school for the nine months. I would still wear my flip-flops because it was still, it was kind of warm. I would still wear my flip-flops, and I would just get up every morning because her aunt didn't let me stay in the house during the day. So I couldn't just stay there all day long, so I had to find something to do. So I started getting on the bus with her and going to the school.

And when she go to her class, I'll go to my class. And I... How long did that? How long does that last? About nine months. Okay. And then that lasted about nine months. And then the city had gave me some money.

And then I don't know if the recession was over. I don't know what the fuck was going on. But in 2010, it like reset. And then I started making way more money than I was the first. So what happened? People, they these guys contacted. They came back. Yeah, everybody came back from overseas.

Everybody, like, fled the country because it was hot. then they came back and they contacted me at first I was like no because I just got the little $10,000 and shit I'm like no I'm gonna just figure out what I could do with this and then I burnt through that $10 and I was calling them like all right man I'm back with

and then I just went back on from there I had got my own place I just start coming up again so what did you do go out and find the same group of guys you were working with before same group I just rolled around it was like, yo, I'm back. I'm back in business. Everybody like, yeah, thank God, man. We just waiting for you. So, okay, so same thing. They start giving your orders. You start?

Yeah, they start giving me orders. And I started fulfilling the orders. And then I moved up, I moved up into Ridley, Ridley, PA. And my house got robbed. Somebody was watching me. Damn, the cops watched me. It was watching me. But it had to be somebody that I, know because anybody else would have me i had i had made him another million dollars by so this was 2010 by the end of 2010 my girlfriend she had put a place in her name for me and shit and i had moved in there and i was so oblivious to it because i gets the apartment with the big ass balcony i mean it had a big ass deck and you could see everything from the

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I'm like, what the fuck going on here? So me, still oblivious the shit, I caused the cops on myself, basically. And I'm like, my house got robbed because my mind just go blank. And I tell them that I got robbed for the million dollars. Now I'm hot with the police. That's a bad idea. Bad idea. They took me and my girlfriend down to, this one I knew it was over.

They took me and my girlfriend down to the police station and fingerprinted us. and because they had a big safe somebody must have seen me bringing the safe in because I bought the safe in on a big ass truck I had to bring a safe in on the truck and shit

so the safe was as big as shit they took the safe out I had cameras they said them cameras they didn't get about them cameras that when I got in the house it was like a big ass

fireman axe just sitting on the couch like we got you yeah I was gonna say I knew guy who these guys had been a part of a robbery and they'd gotten away with like three million dollars and and one of the guys that knew them in their crew like the guy they had the money and everybody knew they had the money this guy put a GPS tracker under the guy's vehicle

and just watched everywhere that he drove and when he was like he knew this was his girlfriend's house he's boom rob the girl he knew this was the mom's house rob the mom's house right he's like I just saw where and I was like he within two weeks he's like he only goes four places he's got to be in one of those four places and i was like was it he's like no i wasn't in any of the but yeah they'll the guys around you will will yeah we'll just stake you out and rob you yeah and it's crazy because the fbi i showed me who it was but i ain't say nothing though they bought me in they was they was up at my mom house for days just watching my mom house and i wasn't living at my mom house no more so so so i forget i think her all my niece

called me somebody called me and was like yo is this truck out of here that just been out there for days so i got my homie chitty i got him to drive me up there so i lay down in the back of the seat and i see him when i come up and then the next day my lawyer called me it was like they want you to come into the office so i goes in the office and they have like uh you know a photo array on the jump right so they like and they ask me about the money they like well where was it at and all this and all that to where you got a million dollars Did they ask you where you've got a million dollars? They knew what I was doing already.

Okay. Well, I was still thinking that I'd paint you in a corner to get you safe. No, no, yeah, this after I had got locked up, they had bought me in and asked about it. But what I think was, I think that they, because they were stinging, the FBI at this time, they were stinging home invaders. So they was pitting like fake, I guess, like setting them up, make it like there's a lot of money in this house. and then they, you know. Yeah, bait, like bait houses. Yeah, like bait houses.

Yeah. But I don't know if they was watching them or not, but they damn sure knew who it was. And a couple other people knew who it was. But I ain't care because I told them. I said, I don't know who none of these people is. I said I make a million dollars next week if I wanted to because they still didn't, you know. I mean, I got locked up for the cars and shit, but they didn't believe how much money it was like bringing in. It was bringing in a lot of money.

But you didn't talk about getting locked up for the cars. yet no i didn't okay but i was just yeah yeah i was just telling you about the robbery well anyway so the robbery they got the million dollars and probably some change and they took that the cops took us over there they fingerprinted us and then they let us go and then i think that's when i probably got on a watch list for real for real again and okay so what about the first arrest for the cars the first arrest the first arrest came a year a year later so somebody came up to me and they was like the first arrest came before they stole the million dollars no it was after that i was just telling you the million dollar story okay yeah so my arrest came in

2012 okay yeah so this was 2010 so i still was running around so after i got robbed and shit i had stopped because i wanted them to send me some money over so they sent the hundred thousand dollars over and then i was like i'm not doing it no more i'm done i'm not doing it no more so they got mad one of one of the guys that i was working for he got mad and he was like i'm gonna you if you don't you know get back in the game and i'm like nah take my chances with y'all and shit so he called me crying he like they took my sister i need a range rover they took my sister you know, I'd be soft and shit, so I get some of the range rover for the kidnapping or whatever the fuck he said.

He probably was lying, but, you know, he said, but he bought me a range rover after that, though. So I don't know. So I got back in the game and I started, you know, moving again. Okay. Yeah. And the arrest? You are. I'm just wondering, yeah.

All right. So I had a Jaguar. well then how did they get on you I'm about to tell you okay I had a jaguar right and this guy that I was working for I knew he was working for the feds

I knew it but he would never give me up and I don't know why God rested so I don't know why he would never give me up but he was working like you said sometimes they had worked for him and then you know to keep shit going so I would give him

cars and shit so one day I traded him the jag that I was driving for his BMW. He had a 745, so I would drive his BMW. So he takes the JAG back to the house, and I think he, I think the FBI or somebody put a tire in it. No, a wire to hear what I was saying or some shit like that, because when I left him and I got my car back,

I got pulled over, and they took the car. And I'm like, all right, fuck it, y'all take the car. So two days after that, they come to my house. house and they like they like you know what we're here for and i was like yeah y'all just took my car the other day and he's like no it's serious than that and then he's like you want to talk to us i'm like no i don't know what y'all talking about so he gave me his card and shit and he was like you got the baby i had my son in my hand he's like you got the baby right now so we're not going to take you but i think you should call this number so i called my lawyer and i went to my lawyer office i gave my um i gave my lawyer

the card and shit. So I called everybody. There was telling on me I called. I ain't know they was telling on me, but I called everybody. I'm like, yo, it's over. They on me. I'm going to jail, and there's nothing I can do. So y'all got to just stop right now and shit.

And I was wondering why it was like, all right, because they already went and sat down and told everything. Right. So, yeah. So I went down to my lawyer office. and I'm telling him, and he's like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. He calls his other, other, you know, people in that he worked with. Yeah, like his partner.

Yeah, for me to tell him the story on what's going on. So I tell him the story and shit. So I pull him to the side. I'm like, yo, is it any way you could hire a million dollars for me? And he's like, no. He's like, is it dirty? I'm like, man, I'm here, so evidently it's dirty. But, yeah, he wouldn't do it.

So the morning, like, maybe two weeks later, they came to the house. They had the key. So they opened in the door. They knocked one time, and I ignored it. So now they opened in the door because they had, I guess they got the key from the maintenance or whatever. They opened in the door, and they just come in the fuck in. Right. And it was over from there.

So they come in the house, they put me on the ground, they let me call my lawyer. and I get extradited from Ridley They didn't find no money in there They just found the money wraps Because I was already on to them The night before I got locked up They pulled me over The state troopers pulled me over on 95

And they searched the car And they lift the hood up And you know I guess trying to see And they found They just found the gun And I had my phones They didn't even find my phone That's how I still got everything

My phones was over top of the cabinet I've really hardly used phones anyway I used to keep everything in my head but I had some shit that was in the phone so they ain't even find the phones that's how I still got my phones and shit I'm gonna tell you how I got set up okay yeah

I had an Audi and we was at Sheltonham Mall and my homie he used his girlfriend car to take us up there and she's a police officer okay so he kept telling me don't go to the mall the mall the mall It's not cool because it's so open. He knows that they, you know, bus people there.

So he's like, man, something ain't right. Something ain't right. So I'm like, fuck it. I want this money. So me and my homie went over to the car. We did the transaction and all that. And then we start arguing on the middle of the lot. Mind you, the police got this all on tape.

They recording us and everything. So we arguing back and forth on a lot. So as we leaving, all these cops just come out of nowhere. They just start flooding it, and they grab us. And I got the money in my pocket. I got $35,000 in my pocket, like in my pockets. They grab us, and they didn't take the money.

They just got my name and my, they just got everybody name and everybody address. And it was two buses going on there that night. So it was a drug bus, and it was supposed to be a bus to nab the car thing. So the car was going up to New York So they had a plane You know The one that don't really make that noise Not a drone

But they had a plane Because they was going to watch the car They was going to follow They ain't do it with a helicopter They was going to follow the car To New York and shit So the cops grabbed us And I got all the money

And I'm like Well why the fuck didn't they take the money So I jump in the back I try to jump in the back seat Of my homie car Why he tried to pull off And the cops get us And I'm like

We just did it all all that. So why the fuck didn't they lock us up? And I still got all the money. So that was the whole thing to get my address because they was about to bring us down. So the next day, I had another deal for a white X5. This was the setup. That other one was a setup too, but this was really the setup. My homie book, bring the car down. He parks it. I give him, you know, his cut of the money, and I go drop him off and then I come back for the car the Africans take the car

around the corner to 61st Street they pit it on the truck and man the cops just came from everywhere they got the car that was in the truck the tracker on they locked everybody else up but they didn't lock me up because they said

I never got out the car I just and I always had tent but I never got out the car and that's how that's my two I think I only I think I really only got two charges okay I think I only got two charges it wasn't even they didn't have nothing on me for real I got the BMW I got the Audi then was only two they caught me with but they charged me with 57 with 57 cars okay and they only got me from with that with the news clip and say from April to October right I was doing it for seven years but they finally found somebody that would tell on me they found somebody that would set me up because they was offering people $10,000 to set me up but wouldn't nobody set me up

and he was putting and so once they grabbed you they just put what what this guy said you had stolen because they didn't they did they watch you the whole time they caught they they knew you were in 57 different transactions yeah where they get the number 57 tell you the truth I never even read the paperwork or nothing I just knew I was caught. I just like, I don't care who told on me,

I don't care about none of that. I just was like, it's the game. I played the game. I was just like, there's like a news. You know, he was in like the news. It was like a. Yeah, if you sent it to me out, I probably used.

My dealerships like Don Rosen, and Imports here at Concha Hocken, Thompson, BMW and Doylestown, and many others lost cars to this ring from roughly March through October of last year. This was somebody that picked on the video. That's their filters and shit. Investigators say head thief

coordinated the stolen cars and would quickly let broker-room lane know what they had and where the street side showroom in southwest Philadelphia would be. Police say they intercepted 41 cars that had been loaded into trailers and were waiting to be shipped from port

So you just imagine that little bit of time and I was doing it for seven years. That's 41 cars so imagine how many other cars I did. You look like you've lost weight since And you looked thicker then. Yeah. A little more round.

Oh, yeah, because I was going out to eat. I had all that goddamn money. Yo, they thought that I was, like, people in my neighborhood because they didn't know what I was doing, they thought I was making money in the basement, like, counterfeit money. Because I had so much money. I used to just ride down the block and throw the shit out. Every club I went to, I had to throw $1,000 before I left. I used to, like, Christmas, I would buy, like, kids. and shit. A lot of shit. I would just

have block parties for the people. I would rent bikes for the people. It was a crazy time. So, where are we now? You I mean, you got arrested. Oh, yeah. You're in the court. Like, how much

times do you get? Like, how that work out? So I did a month. What will they give you? Four years probation. Four years. they tried to give me two but they wanted to watch me so they gave me another two years

four years probation and the crazy thing is i told them to send me to jail like i'm like but it didn't carry nothing my shit carried nine months because it's what stolen receiving stolen because you didn't steal the cars they didn't they didn't have nothing on me but for not to go to jail i had to be the one and I kept telling them, I'm like, yo, send me, send me to jail. So one of my friends, he was on, they locked him up, right? And it was an African. And the African would not tell them that he didn't have nothing to do with it.

And so I'm like, well, what the fuck? You just going to have this man here about to go to jail? So I thought that I was doing the right thing. I said something about the African because I was trying to get my friend off. So the cops came to my house maybe a month before this, and he like, man, I know you ain't going to tell on Cheaty, but because they had, they just be, his baby mom was a cop and he used her car. So I ain't want her to get in trouble either. He was telling her, he was telling the cops because they came and questioned him. He was telling them that she ain't had nothing to do with it, which she didn't.

And I'm saying it to the day. she ain't had nothing to do with it. Cheedy really didn't even have nothing to do with it. He just took me there, but the cops didn't give a fuck about that. So I had to, I had to just take it. I had to basically do what they said or somebody else was going to go to jail. So, I mean, in the end, like, so what, how do you get you, nine? So they give you, so they offer you nine?

No, no, they didn't offer me anything. They was letting me go with the four years probation. Yeah. And I kept telling them, like, all right, to take me to jail. Well, you said two years first. No, yeah, they gave me two years, but then they put another two years on it. So it was for, I think, because they wanted to, why, they didn't want me to lead a country or nothing. Like, they put a hold on everything, like my passport and all that.

So when I got in there, it was like, all right, we're going to give you two years probation, plus the time served that I was in there, right? And then. And how long were you in there for? Maybe a month or two or something like that. Yeah, so they gave me two years, and then the DA said, hey, let's put another two years on there. Okay. So, yeah, so they gave me four years of report and probation, I guess, just so they could watch me, though. You weren't an ankle monitor or no?

No, I tried to get that, too. I was like, that's what I'm saying. It's like nobody, I don't know, nobody could fathom it that I was doing all. all that but I really was and I'm like with the but I was trying to get people off though I ain't want nobody going to jail that didn't have nothing to do with it and that's what I always practiced when I was out there so anybody that was with me I would always keep them out of the way like you ain't going to jail on my watch or you ain't going to jail because of me okay how long ago did you how long ago was this I got off I got off probation

in 2018, I think. Yeah, 2018, because they sentenced me 2014. So I did the four years and got off 2018, I'm quite sure. What did you do for it during that time? Would I do?

Yeah. Regular job. Working at a smoothie king? One of the three questions? Yeah. I got wild again. Okay. I got, to be honest, the only time I stopped was for that month that I was in that motherfucker.

Right. Yeah. So, I quit. Let's just say I quit the game. So what was the total dollar amount? The, well, when the cops got it, it was $2.3 million, but I party net worth them, them. Over there, probably $140, $150 million. How much are they selling the cars for overseas, do you know?

Three times the price they are here. There's a big hike different. And I'm sending Porsches. I'm sending brand new stuff. So you know you're getting the top dollar for it over there because it's going to, I don't even want to say politicians or stuff. But it's going to, yeah, it ain't just going to a local. person that work at the grocery store over there is what vic was saying that he they busted

a ring in new york that were shipping they were basically buying the same gray they were stealing the same gray outies which was like the official car for the government the chinese government in hong kong yeah so they're shipping them there they're like so they're like so we we basically came to the conclusion that the government key government officials were buying these cars he's because they're given a budget to buy this vehicle he's like so it's like if I can get that vehicle for 25 or 30 grand you know what I'm saying have it shipped to have it shipped over here for 30 and I got a budget for 200 grand like I get to pocket that money yeah so I was sending for damn I don't know if I should talk about this one here but I was sending f-150s I'm gonna say this real

fast. I was sending the F-150s for a fleet for the secret service over there. That's what

they called me for. Now, hey, they could have been lying but when I get,

I'm just telling you what the shit that came past me. When you say secret service, you do understand

that they have whatever they got over there, military, whatever it was. Like, their other countries will have,

like they have some of the same similar types of names like they may have a something called like the Secret Service over in some other country. A security service or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they won't... That's not U.S. Yeah, no, that's not

no, no, that's over there. They, they, they, they, it was for official though. Right. And they wanted F-150s. So I sent a lot of F-150s there. Bro, they said terrorism on your shit. I ain't no terrorist. No, I, I know it.

They said, funding terrorism or something like they're just, boy, they're trying to That's that bill. And I reached out to him. I reached out to him before, but he didn't answer my email. They try and tie that shit into everything now. Yeah. I mean, I got some crazy.

I got some crazy requests, but not no terrorism shit. I don't know why he said that. That's because he's saying Muslims. He put in like a question mark. He put, you know, dozens of, oh, he did say dozens of Muslims car thieves. Yeah. arrested in $2.3 million car theft ring that sent vehicles to West Africa, comma, supportive terrorism, question mark.

Yeah, it's just kind of, he's just trying to get the word terrorism in there. Yeah, he had a whole little thing on his page, and I emailed them about that. I was wondering why I couldn't get a job for a while. I tried to get a job. He got me on a terrorist list. Bro, it's got, it's got in the area around 61st and... Glenmore. Yeah.

Lennberg. Yeah. Southern Philadelphia investigators and Stolen cars showroom. And that's crazy because, like I said, that was only for that amount of time that they... I was doing it since 2006. Right. And nobody just never knew. Nobody knew.

But now you're working at Smoothie King and everything's living a normal life. I'm living in a normal life. You said you had to, sometimes you have to take care of business by yourself. So I'm assuming sometimes you had to take them on your own. Was there at a time that you almost got caught or something like that? Yeah, I had a Jaguar, right? So I'm coming down 76. My buyers are at the hotel downtown.

I can't remember what hotel it was. But they at the hotel waiting for me. So I usually never get in the cars. I usually don't. But this time I wanted to because I was doing it by myself. So I'm on 76 and I didn't know that the had a tracker on the car. So in Philly or probably other places too, the police car is going to sound when some stolen shit come by. So it can track you.

It would have pinpointed you and shit. So I don't know if they had a train. tracker on the car, but the car start beeping like a and I don't know if it was just because if you see some of the state troopers, they'd be having them things on the back of their car because they can detect

like stolen shit. So this comes up behind me and put his lights on and now I'm haul-ass and now we're on the expressway and I'm haul-assing and by the grace of God I got away downtown and put the car in the garage

and I got paid for. But the crazy thing is I didn't tell them that I just got chased. I didn't tell them I just got chased. We're going all through the city. And then I had two young boys that was doing it for me and shit. They get chased by the helicopter down North Philly. They hide and under cars. And then I'm standing at the top of the block because I'm trying to tell them where the

50 cars at, right? So this. Come haul, ass and down. down 61st Street, turns the corner and flip the car over, flip the car out, left the police, they left the police, they flipped the car out, and they got away. It would be a lot of shit. You ever heard of Black Money? The scam?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What's that? So black money is, so I had my, every time I do something, I always try to include people so they can make some money. So I had my two friends from Uptown and Philly To come meet me because I just Ran into somebody that had the black money

So before they got there they showed me how I seen how it worked before But they showed me again They put the shit in the envelope They sprinkle some shit on there Some chemical shit It's a scam Yeah, it's a scam But the way they do this shit

It looks so real So they put it on there and they put it in the envelope and they, you know, they put the press on it and shit. So I see it. And then when he opened it up,

it was like, it was only 100 in there, or I think 200 in there, but he turned the shit into 400. So I called my friend, I'm like, yo, bring a half a million dollars. I'm like, we're...

The scam is this. That's a different variation, but the scam is this, is that they have like black, they have this black ink money. Yeah. Supposedly what the... It's, hey, this is

money that's no longer viable for circulation for some reason or another. So what the Federal Reserve does is they dye it black because now, and before they destroy it, they die it black. Well, there's somebody in the reserve that he got his hands on whatever, a million dollars of it. And so what they do is they say, look, we'll give it to you for half that, but you have to clean it. And they give you some special cleaner. I understand yours is different. Yeah.

But they give you some special cleaner. Yeah. And basically they're trying to get you to buy the money from them. And then usually what they do is they have, they dunk it in water. They'll show you a sample. So it's like I've got a little bit. My guy's going to give me the rest of it, but we got to pay him half a million dollars. Then we can clean it.

Yeah. Here's, he gave me $1,000. And then they'll put the cleaner on it and it'll clean off. And you're like, holy shit, that's $1,000. And you're like, now what is it? Yeah, 50%. I already got the cleaner. You're like, oh, my God.

So you run around and get all your buddies to give you a bunch of money and then you give them half of whatever. Maybe it's $100,000. You get $50,000 or half a million for a million. And he's going to bring the cleaner and everything. And they give you this money that's just completely black. But you know, we got the cleaner. The guy leaves, you can't clean the money. It's bullshit.

It's black paper. Like, it's all bullshit. And this guy walked off with your fucking money. That's the best, that's the simplest version of the scam. There's different variations of it. Yeah, it's different. So I say, all right, bring a half a million dollars. He said, no, I ain't bringing a half a million dollars.

He said, all right, I bring $50,000. So they come to my block, they pick me up, and we go up to the hotel where the guys are at. So we go to the hotel room and, you know, they show us again. So they put a little, like, larger. I think they... Book club on Monday. Jim on Tuesday. Date night on.

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And by the time we come back, it should be ready. So we go. So we goes over to the Ruby Tuesdays next to the hotel. We drank. They go on get you drunk. So you won't know what the fuck going on. We drank. We get drunk.

We eat. We come back to the room. So they figured some. something out. So they're like, all right, we're going to come back tomorrow. So what my homie did, God rest his soul, he goes without me, right? Because I don't know what they had in the back of their mind, but they go up there without me. And they get into all this shit. They throw the man out the window, out the hotel window. Your buddy? My buddy and them through the other guy. Africa out the hotel window. Okay.

Took their passports, took their IDs, and the reason was is because they got them up there and they was trying to knock them out and take the money. So the chemicals would knock you out. So you go in the bathroom because when you come in with a large amount of money, they want to do it in the bathroom. So it would be in the tub or something. So what they do is they get the chemicals and shit and make you go in the bathroom and then that shit are like make you pass out and shit. and then they take and leave all the money. But my friends was hip to it, and they beat them up. They took a jury and all this shit and threw them, and, you know, through the struggling shit,

somebody got thrown out a window and shit. How many stories up? How many stories up? No, it was like the motel one. Oh, okay. Yeah, you know you got the landing right here. Yeah, no, not. Eight stories up.

We never saw that guy yet. No, yeah. So the African called me because they still had my number. And he's like, hey, can you please? tell your friends to give us our passports back so we could lead a country and our ID. So I called my homie and he tells me what happens and shit. He's like, yeah, man, they tried to get us and we had to throw it out the window and all that. I'm like, damn.

Yeah, give them the passports back? No. I was going to say that. I'm like, why are you going to call me? And y'all just got, he said they took their jury and shit, but he said the jury and shit was fake. So they just come with a good look, man. They come with a good look. Yeah, but they do, it is a lot of money and everything they do.

You just got to be good with them. They got to, like, trust you, trust you. What happened with the, what happened with the Disney thing? You said you got to. So I'm honestly say that is what made me quit because I wanted to find something different. I wanted to change my life. I wanted to get out. So one morning I just woke up, I was like, damn, I got this crazy story.

and I want to tell it. So I just start inboxing people on Instagram because everybody around knew, you know. They didn't believe it at first until they came on the news. Right. So once the news clip came out, that was like, okay, yeah, he's real. So I started inboxing people, Instagram.

What I would do was I would go to, let's say I go to Lee Daniels. I go to Lee Daniels page. I wouldn't inbox nobody that had a blue check because I know that they're not going to end. answer the thing. So I was inboxing everybody that had a little bit of followers, but their name would say producer or something. Right. So that's how I got it. I met this producer. I sent them, you know, I sent them a news clipping, and I just sent them and told them what I did and, you know,

how much I made and how much it was worth and all that. And he said he liked it. So he said, give me three weeks. I'm going to run this past, my manager and everything. So on the last day of the three weeks. I was like, I'm coming to L.A. I want to have a meeting. I'm coming to L.A. So I wasn't about to go, but my friend, he forced me to go because sometimes I get stubborn. But I'm glad I went. So I went. I had to meet in. And he liked the idea. They wanted to make it like a fast and furious type thing. I didn't really want the fast and furious type thing. I was thinking more like a going in 60 seconds or a New Jersey drive type thing. But Fast and Furious was like a franchise, so I guess they wanted to go with that.

So I signed the shopping agreement for two years. I didn't have anything done. So I started writing my book while I was waiting for that. So I wrote a manuscript. It's not edited enough, and it's just rough. So I wrote the manuscript, and I sent that to him, and he wrote the script off of that. And Disney came, and they. option my life rights for one year and then they renewed it for a second year while they

prepared the script and everything. So the script and everything got done and then the strike came for five. It was it took five years. That shit took five years. The strike came at the last year. So I guess wasn't nobody buying because of the strike and everything was going to be backtracked. So the option expired? Yeah, the option expired. Do you have a copy of the script? I got a copy of it, but he said that I can't, you know, Disney assume me if I put it out of anything. Right.

Because Disney owned it, but I got the copy of it. Yeah, but they've got a copy of it. They've got a script that they can't do anything with. You know what I'm saying? Like, if they don't have your option, if they don't have the option anymore, what can they do? If they, if they think that it's good enough to make, then they, they would, I guess they would come back and be like, hey, I can't, we want an option of life, right? What they don't want is to find out somebody else made the movie based on the script that they paid somebody to write.

Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, rather have it die than have that script to die. Then have Warner Brothers make that film. Yeah, but then would have Warner Brothers make that film and that shit is a big success. Now at Disney, somebody's going to get fired over at Disney. Well, they don't care if, if Warner, no, I'm saying if Warner Brothers comes in, buys your life rights, writes another script. Yeah. They could care less. Like, that's what they want to do. What they don't want to do is for Warner Brothers to take their script.

Right. And run with it. Right. Then they'll sue the shit of them because it'll be like, you don't have the, you don't own the intellectual property to that script. Yeah. Even if they turn around and say, well, yeah, but you don't own his life rights. We do. They'd be like, it doesn't matter.

You can. Right. Like, you can rewrite that script almost exactly the same. Mm-hmm. But, you know what I'm saying? But you're not using our script. Right. Right.

So if Disney decides to make it, then they will reach out. Oh, they have to reach out. Yeah. They have to reach out. They have to reach out and they have to, at that point, they have to buy your life right. Yeah. They'd come and they'd say they'd option it again to hold off. And then once it got funded, because you probably got the standard kind of deal, right?

Like they were going to give you a percentage of the budget, right? Like if it got a $40 million budget, you get like 2% or 3% of the budget. Like the budget. Because that's really where you make the money. Like a lot of times they'll go, oh, and you'll make 5% of the gross profit. Yeah. Like, you know, cut it out. Or of the net profit.

Right. And the truth is, you never see that money. Right. Nobody ever gets the money on the back end. They'll promise the money on the back end, but nobody gets it. Yeah. So what the agents and everybody pushes for is like, look, I want a percentage of the budget. So if the budget is 40 million, and I get three points, that's $1.2 million.

Yeah. Plus, you get the option money. Yeah. You know, so, and I want a percentage of the back end, but you just don't even expect to get that because they're going to fuck out of that. Right. So I wanted to get the executive producer. But now I know so much now that I think that I can get more now because I'm finally putting the story out there and is gaining some traction. So hopefully, you know, hopefully somebody will reach back out.

Right. Well, you're probably never going to get an executive producer credit. But what you could get, though, and what's what's, I got consultant. They gave me consultant to dozer. Well, they want that for credibility. They want you to be, if they were to shoot it, they want you to be there to say, no, no, no, no, no, it's not how you do it. No, no, I never said that.

No, no, you wouldn't do it like that. Right. I mean, they may disregard half of what you say. Right. They may be like, yeah, yeah, I understand, but we're going to go this way because, you know, you may sit there and say, no, no, this, that happened a week later. Right. Why are you talking about that now?

And they'll be like, listen, like, we can't do it a week later. We're combining those two scenes because we only have so many minutes of screen time. And that would take 10 minutes, what you're saying. This, we can do it too. So, you know, there's some things that they'll take what you're saying in consideration. And a lot of times they'll take a part of it. But they really want to be able to say, oh, we had, you know, we had the original, you know, or the subject that was he was here the whole time we shot. Right.

It's extremely credible, even though you're thinking it's not that credible. Like, you've changed this shit, 90% of it's changed. Yeah. But what's the real The real deal is You know, when we're talking about back in money Is that if they make like a movie And then they turn it into like a series

Like that's when you just get paid Yeah, we was going straight for the series Yeah, this could be Because it took place over such a long period of time You'd make a great series You know Because that's where you guys That's where people get paid

And that's where people really make money Because the problem is if you give somebody Indication and stuff Right But if you give somebody $1.2 million, like you get that money, you pay, typically you don't pay the taxes on it, you get fucked there. Next thing you know, you owe the IRS $400,000. You're like, I don't understand what happened. I don't have $400,000.

Yeah, because you bought a house. You bought the, you blow the money, and then it's done. But if it's a series, then every episode you're making a little bit of money, a little bit of money. And then even if it goes like five or six years and it gets canceled and you think, oh, that's it. No, now it's going to go on, you know, FX. Right. Now we're going to put it on, you know, if they start buying, and sure enough, it just keep going up.

Next thing you know, for 30 years, you're getting paid every episode. And it doesn't seem like a lot of money. Like, it's like $3,500 or $4,500, but it doesn't matter. It just goes on and on and on and on. It just never stops. And that's how, yeah, that's exactly how it was. So I swore it was going to get made. is I didn't have a lot of say-so in it even though I have yeah and it's not it's not like

you bro but you this is this is you know professional well they're yeah because they can't here's the thing a lot of people like no I have to have final say you're not going to final say yeah no I know they're not going to dump 40 million dollars into a project that you can put put the kibosh on any time that you can say absolutely not right you got to get somebody I don't like that scene they're like this guy's a minute and he's just pissing away money like we just every day is a hundred thousand dollars like and I think that's the three

days I think that's why they didn't want to do the executive producer because they probably thought that I was but I'm not like that though if I see a vision all right even even even with that the script I just was like all right if we're going to make some money then we're going to make some money because no matter

which way it come out is going to be good I mean you may not be like that but people are yeah I know I see now And that's the problem too You could be halfway through A movie or a season And something happens And people get nuts

And suddenly they're just like, you know Oh, you got to fire her And it's like, fire her What are you talking about? We're not firing her Well, yeah, she did this Or she said this and they're like, okay, that's not your call, you know, and you're

Then you get, oh, bullshit, I'm executive producer, I have rights to do this And they're going to be like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, you know, just replace her Because you can't replace her? Like, what are you doing? But people get crazy. They get nuts.

That's why they're like, look. Right. I had so many questions, but I just left them bottled up because I'm like, I don't want to lose this deal. But I keep axing and axing and so I was just like, all right, whatever they're going to do, they're just going to do. If they come out right, it come out right. If not, then nine times out of ten, I could go sell it somewhere else different if they don't bother their life rights. but even if they do you could get a spinoff character

and still make more money you get a spinoff show well what happens is like you know you've heard of orange as the new black yeah so that book's like 200 pages and that that chick her name is I forget something Piper

yeah she didn't even have a story like if you read that book you're like there's not even a story here and the the story is she had a girlfriend the girlfriend was selling drugs at some point the girlfriend

it was a group of you know a group of women that were gay and there were gay guys and stuff and they're she's shipping like heroin

or something like where they're flying it all over the place and at one point even though Piper has nothing to do with it at one point her girlfriend says

Piper she's in another country I need to wire you $7,000 because I owe our friends $7,000. And Piper's like, oh, she was, can I wire it to you?

She was like, yeah, sure. Now, not thinking anything, you just entered into a conspiracy. You're now paying people to smuggle heroin. And you know what they do. But to a regular person, she's thinking, oh, I'm just helping out my friend. But that's not the way the feds look at it. They're like, you just entered into a conspiracy. So Piper ends up getting, I don't know what it was, 14 months, 16 months something.

She goes to prison. She barely does any time, like maybe a year. and that's really the extent is what happens to her and some of the women she meets in prison, and that's it. So by the time you read the book, she's got these interesting kind of characters that people, it's a glimpse into a world

that most people don't understand, right? Like most people don't understand your world. Right. So they decided to make a Netflix series. The first season kind of covers her story. But by that point, people have watched a season and they like the characters. Right.

So they like it. So if they did that with you. No, around a corner. Yeah. So if they did that with you, by the end of the first season, they like you. Right. They like your buddy so-and-so. They like Jimmy.

They like the girlfriend. Now those are characters. And you're thinking, yeah, but it's over. The book, oh, no. Now we've established these characters. Now they turn it into something Now they start doing stuff That you're like

We never did that Right We never did that That didn't have it doesn't matter Yeah And then so the next six Because listen If you watch Orange is New Black

Listen by season four and five These women are killing people They're escaping Right It's like None of this happened Yeah But that's what they would do

They take your story They create a universe Right Around it You know And then they take these characters That people are interested in And then they'd start doing

crazy shit. Right. And you'd just be sitting back getting paid. Yeah. You're getting one. Of course, you get a portion of the budget.

Only thing I didn't like... Every time they run it, you get something. Right. Only thing I didn't like about it is they changed my name in it. I wouldn't, yeah, I wouldn't be okay with that.

I'd want them to stick with it. Well, they changed my name, but they left the other guy name the same. And I'm like, why? He, like, he said, I don't want to get in trouble. I'm like, it's my story.

Why would we get in trouble? I ain't understand that But me being who I am I'm just like all right man I don't know Just go ahead and do it Yeah I was gonna say is it is your name more complicated Than the other names

No this is this is a person that he bought in on it on it This is another writer he kept the writer named his name He let the other writer be the lead of the story Right And he got his accent actual name but when it came oh you're saying on the script yeah but in the script you're they went by they're using your name oh they're not using my name oh see i'd have a problem with that but it's my you know it's my story the only thing is that i don't i don't like is when i don't come in the room

because it's my story i want to tell you from me because i don't know if somebody going to screw something up or you know i don't oh when they go to pitch it you yeah you want to be there for the pitch? Yeah. Yeah, I've never been there for really for a pitch. Well, I have, but I haven't. I've gone to pitches where I, like, had breakfast. But you more established. Yeah, you more established than me. It's just me coming out on a limb. I don't know. I didn't know. I didn't, you know, my story wasn't even out there. So nobody knew about me, but Philadelphia. But as me putting my story out there now, just now, you know, three weeks, look where I'm at when I did it. So, so I'm saying, when somebody from Hollywood, it wouldn't.

Well, because at that point, they have, they're established and you're not. Now you're establishing yourself as being. Yeah, but they didn't even put my name in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, and, yeah, that, that's the part that bothers me. That, that, that makes me feel like you're going to steal, you're trying to steal, you're trying to steal my shit. Yeah. I, I don't, and I'm not, I don't, I don't, you have an agreement. You have an agreement with those. They can't say, well, we don't know who this guy is. It just say a guy.

And then they said we're from Atlanta. And I'm from Philly. I was pissed. Or they're trying to, they're hoping that nobody, they're hoping that nobody figures out who you are and goes around them to talk to you. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. But now what is going to happen, though, because people reach out to me every day.

And, you know, if we would have kept that, that bond, then, you know, it still could have been moving. I just don't like when nobody do that because I didn't do that. I mean, I took money. Don't get me wrong. When I was moving them cars and I was having a bad day, I would take money thousands of dollars from people. And the craziest thing is when I take it,

they still would do business with me. They'd be like, all right, you just owe me on the next time. All right, you just owe me on the next time. You just give me a good car on the next time. So I don't know. I just like to do plans. proper business. Hey, you guys.

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