Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Real Rick Ross Breaks Silence on the Rapper Lawsuit & Joe Rogan

Episode Date: September 5, 2026

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Snowfall. It's based on your story. Absolutely. I went on Joe Rogan. We came up with this T-shirt right here. There was a lawsuit with Rick Ross, the rapper. Yeah. My mom moved to California when I was about maybe three, four years old.

Right. And was your dad there? No, my mom and my dad separated when I was four months. Okay. So I didn't have a relationship with my father. at all. Okay. Is that still kind of the case? My father passed while I was in jail. We, we spent, we spend, we spend a couple days together, you know, and I got to hear the side of the story. You know, he tried to explain

itself and, um, yeah, there's always two sides. I was good with it, you know. I mean, it is what it is, you know, life is, uh, life is what it is, you know, um, take the cars that you dealt and, yeah, and make the best of them. Yeah, like, yeah, there's always two sides. So you grew up in L.A. And I watched, by the way, you know, I watched the doc that's on your channel because you have your own channel. Yeah, yeah, I do. So I watch that. Cracking the system.

Yeah. Yeah. How you like it? I mean, I thought it was good. Were you involved in the dock other than just being interviewed? I did about 65% of the production on that. Really? Yeah.

It was good. Those were my ideas. It was funny, you know, that the way. Oh wow You know you go do your time and and you still do time when you get out Nobody wanted me to be a producer on the piece You know they thought that it would Corrupt the peace you know

They were saying things like oh well people gonna say that you did your own doc and you put it in your own words I said well that's what happened You know just keep it real you know people like real But nobody they didn't want me to get any writer's credit any producers credit you know just wanted me to be the talking head but in actual ality I'm the one that got the people to come on this on the set I'm the one picked the people that that talked on there and and so forth I really did a lot that's most of what a producer does right there yeah I did I did a lot on their

piece I really produced that piece and it was sad that you know nobody wanted me to get a credit for for the work that I put in but you know it is what it is well I mean it was good it was like It was like an hour and 45 minutes or maybe two hours? No, like three hours. Is it three hours? It's like three hours. Yeah, it's two separate days.

Oh, okay. Three hours? I thought it was around two hours. Okay, I'll have to. I mean, you couldn't get enough of it. Yeah. You know, I put it on. Every once in a while I would pick it up and look at the video,

like something was happening and I'd look at it. But, you know, usually you turn something on and you walk away. Well, we got nominated for an Emmy Award and, you know, had the team. been solid, I think we would have had a better chance that maybe even winning an award because the promotion that we should have given it, we didn't do it, you know, I didn't really get out and hit the streets like I really wanted to because I was being pulled between two forces, you know, one force was right and one was wrong, one was being greedy, you know, and absurd, and we wind up going to court and a big battle over it, you know, which channel should get at first,

it was really sad, you know, because I really wanted the piece to be more of an educational piece, you know, and I wasn't, from the beginning I said, you know, I wasn't really tripping on money, you know, a lot of people get me twisted because, you know, I like to make money, but I'm not a person that's like I'll do anything for money, you know, I'll cut my friend out for money, you know, I'm not like that. I just like to make it, you know, I enjoy making it. Well, I mean, you have to survive. Yeah, I mean, I don't have a problem in surviving.

You know, I do pretty good at surviving, but I want to thrive. Right. I just don't want to be a survivor, you know. Well, I'm greedy. So you go to, we're good, right? Are we good with this? I'm not hearing that. Okay, cool.

Sorry. Like we've got a studio we're trying to get into no doubt but I know you know I started this we started this kind of here No doubt so I'm been in works oh yeah matter of fact this might be better than what Joe Rogan started at Oh yeah well that's I will uh I will leave this little segment in you know I think I'll cut that out but since to that I'll just leave this Yeah listen the the final product when you look at it on on on YouTube you would think it was an amazing production you wouldn't think we were sitting in my living room yeah were like, they get here. The first time I did,

Joe, he was in like a little garage, you know. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, like I said,

you guys probably have a better setup than he had when I first did his first interview with him. Well, let's hope it works out the same. So you were, so you're in L.A., you're raised in L.A.

Where in L.A.? Were you raised? South Central. Okay. So, and that was, well, I mean,

I had heard before you had said, it wasn't as, rough when you were being raised, like the, the crips of the blood. It wasn't as much violence. No, it wasn't gangs. I mean, you know, back then, uh, when we first moved, you know, it was right, right before the watch riots. So, you know, I got to see the watch riots. I got to see the National Guard rolling down the streets with, you know, army trucks and jeeps and so forth, which I thought was cool, you know, being a kid, you know, you like Army men out, Army man, look, look. And later on, I started to understand what was going on, you know, was the riots.

So I lived through that. I guess it was a few years after that is when the gang started to show their heads. But you didn't get in? No, I never gang bang. My mom was too strict, you know. I wanted to, you know, when I was about 10, 11 years old, I wanted to be a crypt, you know. But they put a tennis racket in my hand. I started playing tennis, you know, and that took me away from the neighborhood.

and he raised all of my thoughts about being a Crip. I didn't know what Cripping meant anyway. You know, I didn't know. It was just, you know, so a bunch of guys hanging out together, you know, and I thought it was cool, you know. Right. You know, let me go hang out with those guys,

older guys. Yeah. But like I said, I started playing tennis, fell in love with it, thought tennis would be my way out of the ghetto. And that was my passion all during high school. Well, matter of fact, junior high school, high school. What happened? I couldn't read the right. I never learned how to read a write. So when it was

time to go to college, you know, I couldn't go to college. So I found myself back in my neighborhood where I grew up hanging out with guys I went to elementary school and junior high school with high school. I went to a different school. Right. You know, I caught the bus to school every day and it was about 30, 40, 40 minute bus ride. but was a different type of environment. You know, these people were more well to do. But now here I am back in my neighborhood, you know, where I stayed at every night. I lived in South Central. I slept in South Central, but I didn't really stay in South Central when I played tennis

because I would get up at 7 in the morning, get on the bus, and I'm gone. I wouldn't come back into dark. I really didn't know what was going on in the community anymore. But now I'm back in the community, and I'm hanging out. out with guys that I went to elementary school with and junior high school with and they're gang banging, they're selling drugs, they're using drugs, they low riding and making money. Yeah, and I was fascinated by that lifestyle. I was, I was taken back by it and I fell into it. Yeah, I would, I was going to say, you know, I, when I was locked up and I taught GED at the,

that federal prison up the street actually it's called Coleman. I heard of Coleman. I mean when they built it. Oh, yeah, yeah. When I was there, it was like the garden spot of the BOP. It was nice. You know, everybody was like, they'd come from other prisons. Be like, this is a nice prison.

Yeah, yeah. But, you know, I would talk to these guys and it's like, you know, you'd say, why, you know, why were you, you know, why did you get into that, bro? Like, you know, you're a sharp guy. You could have done something else. And they're like, everybody I knew was selling drugs. Everybody I knew that was successful and had money.

was selling drugs. Well, selling drugs back then was the thing to do. You know, I mean, entertainers, in the documentary, we got an entertainer where they requested in their writer, you know, you got to have me an ounce of drugs in my, in my writer, you know, and, and, I mean. Super Flash, right? Was it Superfly? Superfly.

Yeah. Yeah, Superfly, man. My cousin took me to see that movie when I was about 14 years old, and when I walked out at the theater, you know, I don't know if Arthur Ash was still my hero. You know, I mean, he still was a hero, but he wasn't. I don't know if he was my number one hero anymore, you know. Because I had experienced things with the cops that I knew wasn't right. You know, I've been made sit on the curb before.

I've been handcuffed. And when I saw Superfly beat up the cops. I was like, yeah, man, you know, like, wow. And when I saw what he was doing, and I felt that that's where he got his power from. So, you know, I understand now, you know, I went to prison illiterate, but I didn't come out of illiterate. I read over 300 books while I was gone,

and I did a lot of mind stuff, and I understood that you can plant something in your mind and your subconscious mind, and when it gets the opportunity to act on it, it will. And I feel like that's what happened to me. You know, that's how I got in the game. That's how I got started. And, you know, I fell in love with it.

Right. I thought it was a gift from God, you know. You started, but you started small? You started with $125. I had $125. My partner had $125. How long did it take to run that up? It took a while.

It didn't come up fast. You know, we came up slow. I remember, you know, didn't even make $20. $20 in a week, you know. But I believe what my big homie had told me, you know, about it, and I stuck with it, you know. And, you know, I understood from, you know, tennis gave me a lot of lessons, you know, like tennis is like a game of life for real, you know, and I took all my lessons from tennis, you know, including my quitting, you know, because now I know that I never should have quit playing

tennis you know i should have pushed myself a little harder um but you know you being in 17 year old kid you know you don't you don't have a coach you know you're really coaching yourself and you you're trying to measure yourself off with other people around you is is really tough you know but i understand now that if i had me coaching me you know i could have made it it's hard to tell a 17 or 18 year old kid what to do at all anyway yeah with the best coach it's still it's still a battle well if I would have had a coach you know because I'm the type of person that if if I'm buying to something I'll do what it takes you're all in yeah I'm all in I'm all in I'm all in I won't uh you know because a couple of pros you know when they used to come off the circuit they would come

and get me and and I would do everything they did you know I would do all the exercises and and I was stay on the court as long as they want to stay on the court. And sometimes I'd be want to stay on the court and they be ready to get off the court. So I know that I'm the type of person that will go the extra mile. You know, I mean, that's why I did so well in the game, you know, because when other people were going out with their girlfriend to the movies, you know, I would stay on the block and work. How long does that, did that take to, you know, really become something where you're, you eventually get like a supplier and you're off that year.

That took years though. The supplier thing took years. You know, like I said, you start with $125 and, you know, two months. Maybe you got $600, you know. And, you know, then you take the $600 and you turn that into $1,000 and then the $1,000 and then the $1,000 to $2,000. But at the same time, the way I see how the game works is that if you working with $1,000, your profit margin will probably start being $200 profit

every time you spend that thousand. And if you study compound that, which is what I was doing, I didn't know it was called compound at that time. Right. But I was compounding all my money. Me and my partner, you know, we probably, we would go to this little place called Taco Peets and get burritos and the burritos costs a dollar.

You know what I'm saying? So we probably would get two burritos, piece, you know, but now we're making $200 profit every day, but we only spending four bucks. Right. You know, maybe get a sold or two, you know, maybe. So you're talking about maybe six bucks, you know what I'm saying? But we made $200. So that $200 went back into the game.

Now you're talking about at the end of that week instead of $1,000, now we're spending maybe $2,400. So now in the $2,400, that $200 turns to $400 a day or maybe $300. bucks a day and you just keep compounding compounding and then once you get you know 20 30,000 now you can negotiate a better price so you don't have to sell as much because you got a better price on on the product and it just it just kept going from there and I remember two of my partners who were already doing really well you know selling other other drugs And I went to bring them in because I knew they had money.

And I went and got them and brought them in and showed them how, doing what I was doing, they would make more money faster. Two and five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, joined thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation walk. Challenge yourself, friends, family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer.

Register today at pmcf walk.ca.ca. For lumps, you know, they were getting their money like $10 at a time. I was getting mine 100 at a time. So I showed them that, and they came in and started to do really well. You know, we all started to do really well. They took their money and went bought brand new cars. Right. Right.

And that literally turned them into my workers. Okay. I mean, for them doing that, they probably, I don't know, they probably made me millions of dollars. They bought my girlfriend houses and cars and... Because they're living that, a better life or because they're now... Well, they became my worker. Okay. I should have been their worker because they had the money before I did.

But by them not doing that, say for instance, each one of them probably was spending like $300,000 a week. Right. So for the $300,000, my cut probably would be $30,000, $40,000, you know, what I could keep for myself. You know, I would take their money and I probably could pool me $30,000 out, maybe $40 sometimes, you know. I'm just, these are just rough numbers. But I'm saying somewhere in that area, you know, I could go in their bag and take $30,000 out for myself and would be legit. So that money bought me a lot of stuff. It's what I'm saying.

How long did it take for that to grow? And don't you at some point, what's your mom think about this? Like she doesn't think you're working at the local 7-11? She don't know. She didn't know? No, you've got to be driving a nicer car. Like, you've got to be.

No, I didn't. I didn't really, you know, you really couldn't tell. You know, I didn't want people to know I was a drug dealer. Right. You know, I hid the fact that I was a drug dealer. Right. I was in shame than I was a drug dealer. either. You know, it felt like I was cheating.

Right. And my mom, she had it. She had hints that I was. I mean, she kind of knew, but she didn't really know. I remember the first time she found my stash of money, you know, because I didn't live at her house anymore. She put me out of her house, you know, said I was having too much traffic coming to her house, and she put me out. So I moved in with my cousin, but I still kept my money at her house in, you know, in my room. I had a little spot, and I'd throw him money and throw dirty clothes over it. And one day she peeped my game.

I guess I was coming in out of the house too much. Because what I would do is I would stand on the track and I would, you know, make $5,000, and I'd run to the house and put it up and go back to the track and do $5,000 and come back. And I'm doing this all day long. You know, all day, all night. I'm doing this.

I'm in love. I mean, I'm in like heaven now. I'm making $40, $50,000 every day, you know. Like, you know, you go from where you can't buy 50 cent gas. You know what I'm saying? When gas was 50 cents, I couldn't put gas in my car. So now here I am making $50,000, $60,000 every day. And I did it like night and tomorrow.

You know, I never wanted to leave the track, you know. I don't even want to go get nothing to eat. And my girlfriend at that time, a mom, was really strict so I could only see her you know when a mom was at work I had to sneak over and see her that type of situation so girls wasn't really on my mind uh at that time um it was just that you know grab as much money as you could right yeah I was gonna say I'm I'm like I went to prison for for bank fraud but there would be other guys that were with me as soon as they got money they're buying ridiculous cars or buy and I didn't want any attention you know like

Like I never had like a Porsche or a Ferrari or I didn't do any of that. You know, I had a nice Audi, you know, a nice... Well, I got them, but people pined them to me. Yeah, well, you know. They owe me money. They say, oh, just keep the car. Yeah, I just didn't want that attention, you know? I just felt like I don't need the attention.

I already know this thing's going to blow up at some point. Yeah, I didn't want the attention either. You know, I wanted the money. You know, I like being anonymous. You know, I could walk down the street and people would be talking about me and didn't know that was me. So, I mean, at what point do you, because eventually you get a huge connect in like South America, right? Yeah, yeah. I started getting connections, you know, from one of my teachers introduced me to a Nicaraguan.

Yeah, they was from Nicaragua. And, you know, Nicaragua was in a war with the contras. I mean, the contress was for Nicaragua and San Anasasas from Nicaragua. So it was like a civil war going on in Nicaragua. Well, he introduced me to one that they happened to be contiguous, which at that time was being backed by the CIA, by the United States. The Freedom fighters. The freedom fighters, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was one of the best things that ever happened to me in the coach game, you know.

Before them, I were paying like 3,200 for an ounce. and after I hooked up with them, I think the first time I bought some was like 2,600, and it was pure and better, and it just got better and better and better and better. So what's happening with the contra thing? Like it isn't the backstory that the CIA is allowing them essentially or looking the other way to bring in key?

keys and then of course they're taking that money and they're buying weapons and then they're they're they're arming the contras yeah yeah that's the whole well well what was going on over in central america was uh the russians was back in the the san annaistas right and the CIA was back in the contras so the soviets there was the soviet union it was the soviet union yeah yeah it was the russians are now it was the sovius because you know when when you're my age right how you 65 oh wow oh you're 10 years old i'm 55 okay but i mean you know what like it was ronald regan and it was right the war on drugs and it was it was reagan said he's gonna be a contra forever yeah yeah the evil that it was the evil empire the soviet union and they were they were

trying to get you know well they were trying to get closer to america yeah as close as they could get to america if they ever needed to strike you know they would have a landing spot right yeah so um nicaragong was a key was a key they would be on this hemiphyar, you know, so they didn't want that. They was already in Russia, I mean, Cuba, so Ronald Reagan and them didn't want them because they felt that, you know, we'd have Soviet soldiers, you know, walking down our streets, and that was, you know, unacceptable in their, in their eyes. And they said that they would do whatever it took.

Matter of fact, my informant, when he testified, he talked about Enrique Remutis, which was the head guy over their movement, went on a fishing trip. with George W. Bush. And he said that when he came back and he told him that the ends justified the means, you know, so that's how they felt.

It's just so bizarre, that one branch of the, that you've got one agency fighting, you know, to stop drugs from coming in. You've got another agency who's given them the green light. It just seems. Yeah, you know, somebody said,

uh, he did a joke when we was in jail. they say, Nancy Reagan say, just say no to drugs. And Ronald said, act like you don't know. Yeah,

I remember watching those, the hearings where he was like, I don't recall, I don't remember at this time, I can't, you remember that? Yeah, yeah. Ali North, too, you know.

Yeah, yeah. Well, he told him, you know, the boss stops here, you know. Yeah. You ain't got to go no further, do what you're going to do.

It's going to stop right here with me. So it was interesting time, you know, that our country was going through what it went through. And then after that, you know, the actual war on drugs was, you know, another disaster, you know, with so many people who I felt didn't need to be locked up when I guess I'm kind of biased because, you know, I felt like I didn't need to be locked up either for certain drugs, you know. I don't disagree that I should have been locked up. But the amount of time that they hand up. out is fucking ridiculous. But you know when you're doing, you're talking about drugs though. You're

talking about two grownups that consent to do something, you know, and we both know they're never going to stop drugs in the country. I mean, they can't even keep drugs out of their maximum security penitentiary. Yeah. You know, my first week at USP Lompoc, a guy OD in the hole, you know, So if you can't keep drugs out of the hold of the maximum security penitentiaries, you definitely ain't going to be able to keep it out the country. Why not tax it, save the money, and put drug rehabs everywhere? In education. Yeah, in education.

You cut the population, the prison population, more than half. Yeah, yeah, because it skyrocketed during the war on drugs. Yeah. You know, federal prison. When I got there, I think it was like 68,000 people in federal prison. They're giving guys 15 years for, you know, he's selling a $20 crock. he's got a weapon, he's got a gun, in his closet, in his house, two miles away, or two blocks away, and he's getting 15 years.

And it's like, are you fucking serious? You're going to spend $30,000 a year to keep this guy locked up for 15 years for selling something that he's making $5 on? And he gave my job making $30,000 a year. He probably wouldn't have did it. Because if they had got to me before I started selling drugs, I probably would have never sold drugs. If I could have got a fair job, making a fair wage where, you know, I could have saw myself doing all right, I never would have sold drugs. But once I got started, then it's

hard. It's a different, it's a different animal now. You know, now I'm going. I believe selling drugs is probably more addictive than even using. Yeah, well, it's got a huge recidivism rate. Fraud's got a huge recidivism rate because it, once you've done it and you see how easy it is, like, you know, like, oh, I can't, I'm supposed to go work at, I'm working at the gym. McDonald's? Yeah, exactly. Halfway house. And the halfway house, I'm cleaning toilets at a gym.

And I'm thinking, oh, man, I mean, I can, I could fill out some paperwork. I could, you know, get a little bit, you know, just a little bit. You start me off. Yeah, just to get a boost. Yeah. Yeah, because you're always looking for that boost, you know, everybody needs that little jumpstart, you know. And it's amazing that, that we, as a. society has and set up a system where people can get that jumpstart.

Did you, did you ever think, because I get asked this question all the time, was, was there like a number that you thought, well, once I get this much money? My number kept changing, you know. Have you heard that? Because I was, I was, you're talking about a kid from South Central who mom was on welfare. I probably never saw $300 before. You know, so now you're talking about making 5,000 a day, 10,000 a day, 20,000 a day. So when I first started, I wanted to make 5,000.

That was my goal, being my partner. We're going to make 5,000s. We're going to fix our low riders up. We're going to get us some wheels for our low riders. And then you're going to stop. We're going to stop. Yeah. And then we're going to live in my mom's garage.

You know, we had to fix my mom's garage up, put some little beds in there. We just going to, you know, just hang. out in the garage and low ride and chase girls every day. Yeah, mine was, it started, it was like, if I could just get 100,000. And then when I had the 100,000, then it was like, you know, if I could just get like 400, 500,000. Well, 100,000 are going to make your money easier. Yeah. You can make money easier with 100,000.

With 100,000, you could take the 100 and probably make 50 real easy. Yeah. Because you can buy better paperwork and. Well, you didn't want to get to 100, then when it was, you got that, then it turned in 500, then it was a million, then it was two. And then I just, you know, I just started telling myself, I'm so fucking good at this, bro. Like, you know, do you get delusional? You get, um, involved in. I'm the best that ever did it.

Of course. I'm the best ever did it. Of course. Nobody ever did it better than me. Those other guys was flashy. They was wearing gold. They had the big cars. I had the houses.

That's, that's what they fucked up at. Yeah, right. Up until you're standing in front of the judge and he's, you know. Yeah, I went through. You go through the same thing in the drug business, you know. Horrible. I won a million. then 10 million, then 15 million, you know, it's like...

Yeah, it's not till you're laying in that cot. I should have took my $3 million and went to Jamaica and bought me a nice little villa and just sealed out and over there in Jamaica for 10 to 15 years, invested over there or something. In another country, you know, where the money was really worth something. Let me put it like this.

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because everybody was bragging about me. Oh, this young guy got all this money. You know, I was about 24 years old, 25. Your name keeps coming up. My name just... Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar-raised matters.

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you know, especially with me, you know, I didn't buy no bins. I didn't buy no roads. But there was a couple of young guys who bought Rose Royces and, and, you know, had all the trinkets. You know, I had race cars and race bikes. But those things would be like you take those off to the racetrack. You know, nobody is there, but the people in the racetrack

and you fit in because everybody got those kind of cars at the racetrack. So I didn't really flunt my wealth in the community, but there was other people who flunted their wealth inside of the community. So, but what got me is, is that people bragged about me too much. And what, what happened they, at some point, do they set you up or? They planted drugs on me the first couple times, you know, I beat those cases. What was the one where the, they, the, the judge threw it out because it was so, I mean, I just remember from watching that, the documentary was so obvious.

Yeah, it was, it was, uh, what happened is, is, is, It was strange. Stroke luck, really, right? Because I couldn't get no drugs for a couple of days, you know. My people was out. I'm just going to go play basketball and have some fun. So at this particular night, I was passing by my tire shop because I hadn't been in the neighborhood for a while. And I saw all the guys in the shop, you know, and they down gambling and shooting dice, you know,

because they ain't making them money because they ain't no drugs. So everybody's just gambling, just they was drinking and doing their thing. So I pulled over and got out and hollered at them. And so when I get ready to leave, the whole dice game, like 20 guys, follow me to my car. You know, that's how they treated me. Like if I'm around, they want to make sure that I'm good. So they all walk me to the car. I get in the car, me, Ali, and Cornel, and we take off.

I'm taking Ali back to Manchester Park to get his car. And I look in the rear view mirror and I say a car coming up behind me with no lights on. And I was like, hey, man, there's a car coming up behind me with no lights on, you know, you know what that is. So Ali pulled out his gun. He had a 44 magnet who about that long. He said, yeah, they're some jackers. I'm going to give it to him. So I pulled up to a red light.

The car pulled right up on the side of me and let his window down. When it let his window down, we could see the sheriff badge, you know, on the shoulder. and I'll said, damn, that's Tomar. Because they had just raided Al's house a week before that. And they called him

in his house and put a trash bag over his head and it was crazy. So when he said that, he said, you know, Tomar said, he's going to kill you.

That's what Al told me. He said, man, he told him that he was going to kill me. So I just smashed out on the car. He said Tomor's one of the guys on the task force?

Yeah, he's the head guy. Okay. He's the head guy for the task for the he's the one that called itself Diablo the devil and he's the one to testify against the other cops too

right he was he was in the dock right no no no he wasn't in the dock he was there's one guy in the dock who was a former police officer yeah he was on that task force though he was there that night too but he wasn't Tomar was the head one

he was the guy that no Sober was the head one Tomor I'd been so long I get mixed up but Sobo was a head one. Sobo was the one that they called Diablo. He's the one to turn turn states evidence. Okay. Toorma was another high rancor. So anyway, we have a high-speed chase. We're going through South Central doing about

100 miles and now. So I look up and then they got some more cars. They blocked the street off. So I just, pooh. And I do one of the numbers, what they call stop and roll, where I stopped the car down slow enough so I could jump out, so I jump out the car, they shooting at me. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. But I wind up getting away, you know, when the bullets come and you run extra fast. So I wind up getting away, get to the bus, I get on the bus, you know, my girl come pick me up.

So I go to court. Well, I don't go to court right then. I stay on the run for about 60 days. My mama called me. She's crying. Oh, you're all over the news. They say they're going to kill you. Turn yourself in, baby, you can't.

So I'm like, all right. So I called my lawyer. Man, I'm going to turn myself in, see what my bill is. He said, oh, they got a million dollar bill for you. He said, all right, we'll post the bill. So we get ready to go turn myself in. And they had a 1225 on the bill, meaning that all the property that you bring forth, got to be verified that it wasn't bought with drug money and the whole not.

your heart. So there's no way to get bail. I ain't getting bail. I ain't getting bail. So while I'm in there, the cops come down to my cell. Take me out my cell later night. It was like almost a ride in the jail because the guys didn't want me to go.

They're like, don't go, man. I said, no, man, we ain't fin to do this in here. They're going to tear us up. So go down there and they interrogate me and talk about my lawyer. and talk about how they set me up and, you know, the old nine yards, how they always get their man one way or the other. So, and they told me I better not talk about it.

I better not tell my lawyer, but not tell the judge nobody. So I didn't until we did the preliminary hearing. So they was doing the preliminary hearing, and they had one of the cops on the witness stand. And when he got on the stand, I told my lawyer, I said, man, you know, weeks ago they came out into the jail and took me out. And he said, huh? So he just started questioning the guy about it.

Hey, was you in the county jail two weeks ago? Because you know they got a sign here. Yeah, yeah. And all that. And his cameras. And, yeah. So he said, yeah, I was down. He said, did you see my client?

Yeah, we saw him. He requested it. He said, so my lawyer was like, you know I'm his lawyer. Man, you don't talk on the phone many times. You know you're supposed to call me. And anyway, then he hit him with it. Did y'all record that? Yeah, we recorded it.

So when they got the tapes, it was all spiced up and beat up. So the judge was like, this is outrageous, you know, throwing this case out. The prosecutor, she tried to say the case, but, you know, well, we didn't have nothing to do with it. Judge told her, you lucky you didn't. Doesn't matter. You're lucky you didn't have nothing to do with this. So they threw the case out, you know. And what?

So when you got out, what happened? You hadn't been doing anything in months. I left. I left the state. You know, I said I were to go somewhere that I'm going to go to jail for something I did, rather than something I didn't do, you know, because I was totally in, that was a totally bunk case, you know. They planted the drugs and everything that night.

Where'd you go? Cincinnati, Ohio, St. Louis. I mean, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Louisiana, Texas. Where'd you end up? Well, I stayed more in Cincinnati. Oh, okay. Oh, you were just kind of backing forward? Yeah, I'm back and forth.

Because I stopped flying, you know, I could, in those cities, you know, you could jump in the car and just, you know, Indiana, you know, just ride from city to city. And I stopped flying almost totally. Well, I mean, were you, you were still dealing? You were still distributing? Yeah, yeah. It was better down there. I went down there. L.A. I was getting

I was getting it for like 10,000 and in Cincinnati it was like 38, 37, you know, so I'm making a greater profit per unit than I ever did before but I'm not selling as many units. Okay. How long does, I mean, how long does this go on?

A year. I didn't last long in Cincinnati. It was too small. Yeah, it was too small. Everybody in town knew who I would. I thought, I thought, because I was using an alias name, you know, I had fake ID, fake driver's license, but. Did it matter? Or they still know it was you from L.A. Or they just knew that, they just knew that identity. They knew my face.

They didn't know my name. But when, it's funny, you know, my girlfriend from Cincinnati, she called me. Because I left before I got indicted. But she called me. She said, oh, you was on the news. She called me Charlie. I told everybody my name was Charlie. hey Charlie, they got you on the news, but they got the wrong name.

I said, yeah, what name they got? They got Ricky Ross. I said, well, they got the right name. No, they got the right name. They know who I am. So I wind up getting indicted there, and I go down and I take a deal. You know, wind up taking a deal down here. What was that indictment for?

Trafficking and distribution. I didn't know. I mean, how are they putting you together? Like, how was there they built, was their task force? that there was a bust? It was a task force. One of my guys, they gave him a bunk case, too. It wasn't his case.

It was totally bunk. I had, the nigger Rockins wasn't moving, and it was right before the first. So what I did is I flew to L.A. And I got, I got nine kilos. And I had a guy to get on the bus with him and bring him to me. Well, while he was on the bus, somebody was smoking with the bus and they brought the dog and they found the kilos.

They didn't get him, though. He jumped off the bus. So the time that he was supposed to be there, me and one of my partners, we go to the bus station to pick him up. So when we get to the bus station, we getting ready to walk in the bus station and I look and I dropped my beeper. I said, dang, I dropped my beeper. Let me go get my beeper. So I go to get the beeper. He went on into the bus station.

And they say that he asked for a bag that he'd never seen. And I never told him about it. Right. So they arrested him and gave him 20 years for that. So that started the investigation. And so did they indict you on that investigation? They didn't indict me then. It just started a whole investigation into you that culminated.

What I found out, the way they work is he was from, my area. Right. So if somebody from my area got arrested, they figured more than likely I was involved. Yeah. Because I figure you're the main supplier. Correct. For that area. Somebody's got to flip on summit and they're going to get to you at some point. So when when he got arrested and indicted, apparently they called the sheriffs, the ones who had planted the drugs. Right. And they came down and they got all the pictures. So they're going around showing my picture, everybody, and they build a case. So I really get to get off on that case, because, you know, I was doing about 40, 49, maybe 50 a month.

And they want to let me take a deal for 49. It's just 149. How much, what does that end up being? How many times? Ten years. Ten years. And where? In Cincinnati?

In federal prison. Federal prison. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when I took the deal, the deal was contingent on if the sheriffs get indicted, then, and I testify against the sheriffs that they would cut it to five. We're praying for an indictment. Well, I already knew they was going to indict this. They had them, you know, because you know what, after we did our report,

you know, I hired a part of an investigator to investigate the police. So when we turn over our evidence to, because I had a CCE in L.A. I had a CCE case in L.A. But it was all contingent on what the sheriffs were saying. So once we turned over an investigation on the sheriffs, they dropped my CCE, and then they turned to them. And then they had some undercover cops, feds to get the sheriffs. They was posing as Colombian drug dealers with $500,000 at a hotel room. and the shares broke in, took the money, stole all the money,

whooped the feds. Just like they did us, they whipped them. Because, you know, they had me handcuffed and my hands and my feet, and they let the dog bite me up. All these are a flashlight therapy. All these scars you see in my face come from when the police was beating me in the face

while I was handcuffed. And they let the dog bite me all on my leg. I got some nasty dog bite wounds on my leg while I was handcuffed. They was bad actors. So they end up getting arrested. So how much time do you end up doing on that case? I did five years, four months.

And you get back out? Mm-hmm. You get back out. You get a job as an accountant? No, no, no. Right back to it? No, no, no. I didn't go back to it.

I quit selling drugs a year before I got arrested. Oh, I didn't know. Okay. Yeah, I was after my friend that I was told you at the bus station got to his time and I said how they did him I was like damn they arrest you like that no evidence you ain't touched the drugs no fingerpressing on nothing I was like that's crazy ghost though so I quit I was like shit I can't get him out you know I spent about 70,000 trying to keep him out of jail you know and he got 20 years but he had a prior he had a prior I was like shit if I can't

keep him out of out there to keep me out so I quit I went home and started back developing my real estate. You know, I had quite a few pieces. I had about 30 houses, a couple apartment buildings, a junkyard, body shop, tie shop, beauty salon, shoe store. You know, I had all kind of stuff. I just used to buy. Two and five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer.

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instead of the drugs behind the toys. So, no, I didn't go back to selling drugs. When I got out, my informant called me, though, the same day I got out. Hey, congratulations, you home. nah la la la la no i ain't getting back so my goal was to start doing the music business you know um i was sell he's with a with a guy named harryo who helped start death row records and i was right there in the cell when they started death row records so i kind of saw what they did and i was like i can do the same thing in the record business so uh i bought this old theater that i was going

to turn into like a west coast apollo and i felt that this theater would be with every rapper would want to come on that stage when they came to LA, that would be the stage to get on. So I was building that out. You know, I fell behind on my payments. You know, my payments was like $6,000 a month. I think I put down 900,000 down on it. Oh, like $300,000. And I was in trouble about to lose it.

And my informant knew. And he just kept... And why are you asking people to help you? You can help yourself. I got 700 kilos. and started off at 17,000 a kilo. And by the time they had reel me in, he was talking about like nine, five a kilo.

This went on for six months. And then finally, I got one of my little homies, I introduced them and got ready to do a dope deal. We hand them the money and affairs come from everywhere. My whole life flashed before me. You know, I'm gonna go to prison forever. because I pled guilty in multiple states. Right.

On that first, on that first arrest. But that's what got them, though. So you know, so because you pled guilty on multiple cases already, you're, you know, you're. Oh, yeah, I'm a three striker. I'm a three striker. 8.50, 8.51. So, I mean, wait, is this a state case or this is federal? Federal.

Yeah. So your, your criminal history is off the chart at this point. Yeah. It looks like it. Right. It looks like it. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Okay. But it's really not. Yeah. But that's, but that's, but. Because I only been arrested one time. You didn't know that. I didn't understand the logistics of it. I knew, because I had friends that had been three strikers.

You know, they had life sentence for three strikes, you know, three drug deals. So I didn't understand what a strike was. Right. Because I never had one before. I'd only been in jail one time. So when they take me in, they're looking at, oh, yeah, you play a guilty here, here, here, you got strikes. You're done. But then I started reading the law.

And then I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not a strike. And that's a continuous criminal spree. What I was doing was a continuous criminal spree because I'd never been brought to my census. So you can't count that as a strike. And nobody, nobody would listen to me until it got to the appeals court. So you get sentenced on three, you get sentenced with these multiple violations,

and that gets you a life. That's what gets you life. Yeah, yeah. Even though you argued, so you just never argued it to begin with? No, I argued it. But what, your lawyer? I learned, I learned, by the time I get sentenced, I learned what a strike is. You know, I know what a strike is.

Yeah. My lawyer, what threw my lawyer off is that St. Louis strike, Cincinnati strike, Louisiana strike, different states. Okay. He thought because they were different states, they were now related. It's all, it's all kind of like all a continuing enterprise. I'm continuing, I'm a, continually doing the same thing. It's called continuous criminal spree. Right.

So how long of a break does there have to be for it to be considered separate? Is there a timeline or? Intervening arrest. Oh, okay. Okay, but because you were basically, you were kind of arrested and then you played guilty at all the same time. So they're just doing everything they can just to, just to hammer you. So you understand intervening arrest. But they couldn't understand what intervening arrest means.

You know, I'm trying to tell them, like, intervening arrest means that you have to get arrested, go to jail, get out, get arrested again, go to jail, get out, now you're a three striker. Right. But if you're just going around the country selling drugs and nobody never catch you, you know. And, you know, I won my case with a court-appointed attorney. Right. Because my paid attorney, he wouldn't take the case. He told me to take my last little money and put on my books because I was going to need it. And so, Ronald, Frank Reagan, matter of fact, that is his name, Frank Reagan.

Rest in peace, he died last year. Great dude. And he listened to me. And I told him, I said, Frank, we got to argue this case. Safeness a guy was a great guy. Never did nothing wrong. work the job, but his kid needed surgery, and they needed $70,000. And then he saw this spot where they sold drugs at, where these guys are making $100,000

a day. So he goes to this spot, and he makes this $70,000 at that spot. Frank, he didn't sell to one person. He sold to probably three or four hundred people. Each one of those sales is an over-ed act. technically each sale is a separate offense. So in one day, he could become a career criminal. Right.

Yeah, based on their logic. Based on their logic. But that's not the way it works. The forefathers had enough sense to say, you know what, a person can make 10 sales in one day. It's easy to do. Easy to do 10 sales in one day. So you can't say a person is a career criminal in one day.

So that's the way we wrote it. up and the field scored agreed with us 100 this took 20 years of biting it before you oh no I won my appeal around probably around seven years I thought I was in eight years maybe nine so they dropped it down to what like 25 years they dropped it down first they dropped it to 22 okay and then I want another appeal and I got it knocked down to 14 okay so how much time did you do on that one 14 years and eight months you were sentenced to 14 years and you did 14 years well no i would i probably was sentenced to more than 14 years i don't remember exactly i did i'm thinking good time

no i actually did 14 years and eight months okay so i probably was sentenced to 16 yeah something like that i don't i don't remember yeah but yeah something somewhere in that number but it started uh the first appeal that they dropped it to 22 you know the appeals court told the judge she couldn't give me more than 22 years because it wasn't a three striker that they could only charge me with one strike so they did that and then when a booger and fam fam came out i got another another sentence reduction uh burger what is is that the the crack law what they call the crack law no book and fam fam was i don't know if you remember but at one time the judges didn't have discretion yes yeah okay so so when you were sentenced they didn't have discretion didn't have that gave them back

the discretion. They had to go by the guidelines when you were sentenced. Right. So when they gave them that, then she could take in, you know, the educational thing. And I don't know. My judge, she was saying one gave me the life sentence, you know. It was crazy. But when I came back, she had a different attitude, you know. But I told I was coming back. I was like, I'm coming back. She said, oh, I'll be here when you get here. And when I walked in the courtroom, you know, she told me the first thing, oh, you kept your word. And she could have dismissed my whole case. You know, my informant had a fake green card.

Okay. That the government gave him to be here. Yeah. Because, you know, if you're a convicted felon, they say he sold over 10,000 kilos. And if you're a convicted drug trafficker, you must be deported. Right. The only two people can stop you from being deported is the president of the United States and attorney general. Him the only two.

Or a federal agent who's willing to slip you a fake green card. And the INS agent, he got up there and he said, oh, I didn't know the guy was a convicted felon. Come on. But see, that was enough. I felt that that was enough for the jury. He should have knew that. That he didn't know he was, he didn't know that this guy was that. It's hard to explain.

But you get the picture. And I felt the judge should have gave me a new trial for that. So when you eventually, you do get it, you get out. What year did you get out? 09. 09. Because you remember the crack law, right, obviously. That came later.

Yeah, but I mean, but I mean, you heard about, listen, I was in the medium security prison at Coleman. And there were guys that were getting their heads shaved, but they would have crack law in their, you know, in their hair. Like, I mean, it was just, yeah, guys were going home. It was like every other day guys were getting their time cut, going home, immediate release. He's got 30 years and he's done 20 years. I was in the first crack riot. Oh. When they first...

Where was that? Phoenix, Arizona. They burned the place up. Yeah, they were just handing out so much time. Yeah, those guys, young guys, too, man, 20 years old, 19 years old, 18 years old. Matter of fact, one of my cellies, my first cellie at MDC was 18 years old. They gave him 20 years. For two ounces.

Crazy. So you got out, you started over, what, you know, what did you start doing? I know there was a lawsuit with Rick Ross, the rapper. Yeah, Ms. Lawyer talked me into doing that. Didn't go well. We wind up losing in court. The judge said that I filed my case five days later than I should have. I should have filed before I got out of prison.

So I lost that. What else? Five days. Selling hair. I sold hair for a while. And I went on Joe Rogan's and we came up with this t-shirt right here. Right. You know, I went on Joe's and I'm like, shit, Joe Rogan got money.

Give me a little money. Throw me a bond, dog. So I'm telling me like, man, I'm doing bad. You say you like my hustle, you know. Throw me something, man. And he said, man, you know what you need? You need a T-shirt. I was like, oh, fuck, I need some money, you know, to myself, you know.

But, you know, and it wasn't his job to give me no money. You know, it wasn't his job to help me out. But anyway, I left, I left the show, and, you know, I was a little disappointed in Joe. And I'm walking down the street one day, and this kid named Rick Cross comes up, right? No, a white kid, you know. goofy little white kid and he's like, Hey, Rick Ross, I saw you on Joe Rogan. And I was like, oh yeah, how are you doing?

We take a picture. And he was like, man, I got a T-shirt idea for you. I said, oh, my goodness, another one of those. Right. I said, what's the idea? He said, the real Rick Ross is not a rapper. The cornyest shit in the world. He said, I'll do everything.

He said, I'll print the T-shirt up. I'll make it. I'll design it. I said, you're going to do all that? I ain't got to do nothing. I ain't got to put no money up or nothing. He said, no, you ain't got to do nothing. Just come and take pictures with the shirt on.

I say, bet. So we switch numbers, and he called me a couple weeks later, and he's like, man, come by to my store. And I got the T-shirts done. So I go by and take pictures in the shirt and whatnot. And he gave me like 100 of them. Right. For myself.

I sold a whole hundred the same day. in the in the documentary it said you had a a t-shirt company that shows you doing a screenprint that was later though oh that was later that was later this was after you know he gave me just as kind of just the first few when he gave me a hundred a hundred shirts was like that was I was just getting in the t-shirt game and I go in I sell them man I'm like I go back to him with a thousand bucks I say man I got a thousand bucks I need to buy some of them t-shirts so I started selling t-shirts man and uh These shirts got me out of, you know, homeless. We was homeless, you know.

I had two kids. My girl, we, we was living in a vacant apartment, you know. So these T-shirts helped me out the whole lot, you know, the idea that Joe gave me, you know. Are you still making the T-shirts? I do. We still sell a little bit. I don't push them like I used to. Right.

You know, I used to go stand in front of the supermarket with them. You know, everybody walked by. Hey, buy one of my T-shirts. Because I kind of felt like, you know, I see people, they take care of bums, you know, bombs. They know they're going to go buy drugs with their money. And I felt that if they give them money, you know, would they help a hustler? Right. You know, somebody that's going to do something with the money, somebody that's going to take that money and make that money work for not only themselves but for others as well. And it worked. So what are you doing now? And what's, what's, what am I doing now? I just had one of the biggest phone calls yesterday of my life.

The guy that Ryan, who did the movie with Senters, we had a great conversation yesterday about him coming on, helping me with my movie. I haven't seen that movie. I want to see it, though. They're going to get to see it. I think it's got to be, I haven't seen promotion for it. It's like going to be on, you know, your home TV probably today. Yeah, it was, it was in the theaters.

I was, my wife was going to go see it when we were, we were in Miami. It's funny because it's two different things, right? Like, it starts just these, it's like a speakeasy or a bar, but then all of a sudden, there's vampires. Yeah. And they're, you know, so it's. I haven't saw it either. It got really good reviews. I'm not, I'm not.

Oh, the numbers is crazy. Yeah. My movie, though, the number is going to be bananas. Because I've worked, you know, I worked these streets. You know, I got in a van and I drove from California to Miami selling books and T-shirts, you know. So I know, I would almost be willing to bet that there's nobody on the Internet that has pictures with other people more than me. Right. Because I saw something, you know, because I study.

You know, I'm a study or so. I see all these entertainers, and I say, oh, they don't really take pictures with other people with their fans. They don't really picture up with their fans. So that became one of my goals to take pictures with all my fans. And so everywhere I go, people would be like, oh, man, get a picture, get a picture, get a picture. So just like when we went to the barbershop right now,

I just took like 15 pictures. Well, it kills me that because I've known some guys that have known actors and stuff, and they'll get upset when people approach them for a picture or like an autograph, they're like, man, I'm eating, man, what do you do? You know, it's like, bro, you would have begged to have people trying to take it. When you had nothing.

And you know what I'm saying? I always think, man, I would never be like that. And I'm going to always stay humble. You know, I don't never want to get bigger than the people. So can I ask you a question about snowfall? I had the whole time snowfall was going. And it was going, it was running when I was locked up. everybody was saying that that was based on on your story absolutely okay well i don't really know

how it how it unfolded well john singleton when i got out i thought john singleton would be the perfect person to shoot my movie okay you know he's from south central l a opposing supposedly um he did some great movies and i thought that me and him working together would be dynamic matter of fact he went with me me and him went together to the documentary when the documentary debuted, premiered. We went to the theater together and he bought one of my first books. He bought one of my demo books.

It was just sad that, you know, that he didn't, and you know what, I don't think it was all on him. You know, Hollywood, Hollywood is something else, you know. I found out that they don't really like to do business with convicted felons, you know.

They'd rather steal the intellectual property that pay you for it. Yeah. Yeah. And they're getting money to a felon yeah so i've seen that i believe i was locked up i wrote seven books 22 synopsies i wrote there's a movie called ward dogs uh with jonah hill and i the real efferum deverelli i was locked up with him i wrote his memoir he sued warner brothers i sued him warner brothers i mean you know it was all it was a whole whole thing but you're right they they would rather just take your take it from you than to actually pay you.

It's a whole, I would say whenever I talk to the, about producers and shit, bro, I'd be honest with, I'd rather deal with fucking inmates. Yeah, yeah, they're ruthless. Yeah. I went and I spoke to Ory Manuel. Okay. Mark Wahlberg took me to his office.

Jeff Bird, Nick Casabetti took me to his office. Michael Linton, Ergadi, and, Erf Gotti and somebody else took me to his office. and they offer me almost the same amount of money, $600,000, $620,000, something like that there. Something that, and they wanted me to hire a certain lawyer,

you know, the lawyer was going to get $200,000, and then taxes. I probably would have been had enough to get me a nice car. Right. And I walked out of there and then, anyway, Mark calling him was like, hey, man, or we don't think you're going to ever get your movie done, but he said you got nuts. So I told them thanks, you know, thank you guys for the offer. But I didn't come here to sell my story.

So I always plan on doing it independent. And we set up right now. We got a great script. And people are going to be shocked. They're going to get to see a real drug story that wasn't tainted by Hollywood. You know, my story's not going to be tainted. I refuse to have my character wearing a dress or doing something that I didn't I do. I wanted to be told the way it really was, you know, the way I saw it.

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