Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The REAL Story of O.J. Simpson | Whistleblower Reveals All

Episode Date: May 4, 2024

The REAL Story of O.J. Simpson | Whistleblower Reveals All

For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio, your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. I grew up with the OJ story, and the Bronco Chase was watched by like 95 million people live. About seven years ago, a producer came to me and said, you know, I want you to look at a project that I have. I'd like you to help me. And he said, it's about O.J. Simpson.

I thought it was interesting. And he said, well, this guy, Charlie was with O.J. at the murders. Okay. Then I see that O.J. wrote a book called If I did it in Chapter 6, he says he had an accomplice named Charter. And he didn't interview at Judith Regan on Fox that they shelved for 12 years and said he had an accomplice named Charney. Then I find they get to meet Charlie. He doesn't want to say too much about. the murders. So let me say that because the people always ask me this. He made a tape and he wrote a

screenplay. Those producers have that. I have segments and pieces of that. Okay. And not many people have ever heard that tape. And it's a shame. And I've asked them to come forward. I've tried many times. And they won't come forward. So I decided to whistleblow on them. They wanted a movie made anyway Right, but they told it in a way That you didn't think he murdered somebody They just told it like, oh, he rode with OJ and the Bronco Oh, he witnessed it and he didn't talk

Because he thought OJ would kill or Joey Apolito Would have him murdered Okay, so Lay it on me Sure, the story of how the murders take place Yeah, sure Like, like, well, and the involvement of the the involvement of the mob, Charlie, like, you know, like go back.

Like, I mean, you know, we can build up to the night. But how do these guys, as you know, OJ, how does he, how does the tie in with the mom? So from my investigation, from my journey, this is my postulation theory, okay, I opine because what they told me in the beginning, I found out was not really the story. So I had to piece it together for myself. I didn't know Charlie was mafia at all, at all. They didn't tell me that, okay? So basically this is how it goes.

O.J. Simpson, even since the 70s, was a cocaine user. And the NFL guys, a lot of the NFL guys and the NBA guys, they use drugs, prostitutes. Guess who runs all that, the mafia? Okay. Where did OJ play ball? Buffalo, New York. Where was one of the largest mafia families? Philadelphia out of New York. Okay. So he had ties early on in the cocaine trade game, the restaurant

game. I had people came for it. I saw O.J. at the restaurant. That mob guy was the biggest mob guy who everybody feared him. There was O.J. at his place. So it goes way back that he was dabbling in this for a long time. Okay. Bringing us to the murders and Joey Apollito, when O.J. Simpson met Joey Apolito, it's really hard for me to confirm. I thought he met Joey in the early 90s. I have other sources saying he knew him in the 80s, okay, during the cocaine cowboys, the drug smuggling, the boats, the race, that's all Sal LaGluda, John Riccabono, all that's tied to Joey Apolito and Meyer Lansky. Anyway, so I have pictures of O.J. buying a boat from a coke smuggler. I have the photo with Nicole in it.

why does he know these people why so so my point is so joey apolito is a major drug trafficker and killer okay he is friends with oj and then al colings also is his bodyguard and his driver that's published reports online you can find it yourself okay so ac we call me c is most likely dealing cocaine with Joey Appolito and O.J. Simpson. Okay. Okay. Now, in 1994 is when I believe Charlie Ehrlich met O.J. Simpson through Joey at Polito. Charlie was in jail for seven years. So for the seven years from 87 to 94, 87 to 93, I think he gets out in 93, he tries to say he's in jail in 94 because they're trying to button it up so close you can't vet him like was he in jail 90s it's fascinating how he does it the mob guys are geniuses with keeping you guessing keeping up the smoke screen

they they invented this well you did as fascinating what how they did it they invented what you do okay okay so charlie meets oj's only known him for three months they're running drugs they're doing probably girls. There's point shaving, supposedly, with NFL games that OJ's lining up. There's a big gambling racket that somehow Rob Kardashian gets involved in with Ippolito. I'm sorry, Al Cowlings gets tied up, and they think it's Al Cowlings and Ippolito. I'm not sure if Kardashian was fully tied to that, but I think there's definitely some ties with Robert Kardashian senior, I'll say that.

And Russian mafia. And so Ehrlich meets OJ in the screenplay, and on the tape, they talk about how they met. They meet at Rockingham. AC's actually there. Hey, man, I'm OJ. Hey, I'm E.C. Hey, guys, I want you to meet my guys. This is Charlie Ehrlich.

Because he's his ghost. He's his drug dealer. He's the transporter. He's transferring the drugs from Miami to L.A. And he's bringing him to Joey. Joey's living in L.A. at this time. Okay, he moved to L.A. and I think 1988. So he'd been there about four years, okay?

All the drugs are coming from Miami. That's where the coat comes from. They can come up from Mexico too, and I have proof of something from there, but a lot of it's Miami, okay? So, getting close to the murders now to June 12th, Joey Appalito, I opine, tells Charlie Ehrlich to extort O.J. Simpson. I use the word extortion, I don't mean it's a, it's a drug debt that OJ Circle, Faye, Nicole, Keith Z, they're all involved somehow, okay? Joey Appalito had extorted a lot of people before. His own brothers didn't trust him.

I know them. Okay. So you're saying that OJ ran up a debt? It's an extortion. It's an extortion. It's a setup to get money out of OJ. Joey's flipping him. Like, all right, so

when Charlie goes to Rockingham at about 10 o'clock on June 12th on Sunday night, he says, we got to get that money. What he means is Joey wants his money. From either you, Nicole, Faye,

he, the mezzaluna kids, whoever it is, we've been dealing you, right? Porto, cocaine, fronting you some of it, So all the conspiracy theories come in with, Ron Goldman was a dealer. Nicole was dealing. They were going to, they got crossed up with drug dealers.

It's partly true. That's the fascinating part of the urban legend. It's, oh, they were killed by Colombian drug hit men. It's partly true. Right? Right. Columbia. It's, it's fascinating.

So Erlick says to OJ, we need to get that money. I have bosses. You have bosses. They just want their money. Why are you squeezing me? OJ gets defensive. What's going on? What do you do it?

I just saw Joey because Joey would flip you. The mob guys don't have allegiance to you. Okay. That's their thing. Extortion, right? Prostitution, gambling, contraband. They don't play by the rules. There's no rules.

Where's OJ going to run too? You don't think Joey knows that? Where's he going to go? What's going to go tell the cops? He owes him 50 grand of Coke money? Where's Nicole going to go? There's nowhere to go. Right.

O.J. freaks out. We talk about it in the screenplay. They talk about it in the tape. He flips out. We're going to Nicole's. We're putting it on her. Her and Faye. Faye Ressnick. Faye was living with Nicole at the time. They don't know that. She's in rehab. They think she's there. When they show up, Faye Ressnick's out there. Ron Goldman's there at the gate. Okay. Now, as if Ron Goldman's already there or there's two versions, I wasn't there. I can't, and the way Charlie tells the story, can't 100% say, was Goldman already there out front with Nicole talking by the front gate? Or did he arrive when Charlie and OJ were tucked in the Alcoat, waiting, stalking Nicole?

There's two versions of this story that's been told, okay? Because they don't want to say too much. You're trying to keep you like, anyway, Charlie and OJ go to 875 Bundy, which is Nicole's place, Ron Goldman eventually either shows up or he's there, they're talking, they pounce on them, what's going on, fight ensues, a near witness hears, hey, hey, hey, they hear the murders starting, the fighting, this guy Robert Heitstra hears them, okay? Within about seven minutes, they murder two people, okay? They strip their clothes, most of their clothes in the back.

They should go out the back way, the back alley, that's where the Broncos parked. they escaped back to Rockingham they do a couple of maneuvers back there Charlie Parks the Bronco OG gets dropped off that's why they never saw the Bronco they never could figure out the limo driver kept saying

I never saw the Bronco at Rockingham I never saw it even when I pulled up it wasn't there when I drove out it wasn't there and they said that's impossible OJ is there you're with OJ yeah with OJ

but it's not there Charlie Ehrlich actually parks the Bronco okay yeah so that fits and well yeah and so OJ gets away Charlie then parks the Bronco he gets away with the bloody clothes

the knives and the shoes that's why they never find that takes that stuff to his safe house wherever you want to call it gets rid of all the evidence know whatever hears Charlie Erlick's name for 25 years they say Joey's name in books

in stories guys came forward the mob's involved People are like, yeah, whatever. A guy wrote a book called Virtual Government. Inside, there's a chapter about the Florida, Hollywood connection of the mafia. And so to tie that mafia connection is Joey Appalito is a cane pin working for Meyer Lansky

under the umbrella in Miami through them. Okay, his father was a big mob guide to with Sam the Plummer. That's the DeCavocante crime family. They were close with Meyer. Okay. And so, So that's how that all ties together, right?

The mob, the drugs, the Coke, Erlich goes, enforcer for Ippolito. He's collecting the money, and they catch two bodies. And that creates the greatest murder case in our modern history, and it creates the trial of the century. Okay. And obviously, O.J. can't come clean. He's just got to deny it. If he says Erlick's name, it means he's guilty, too. right as if he if he flips him at one point they said they thought he was going to flip erlik

and then supposedly had source come forward someone who was supposedly close to the defense team said that Ippolito threatened to murder OJ's kids um okay so and or and murder OJ Simpson in jail which would take one second um so Then at some point, OJ, so, I mean, obviously there's the trial. There's, um, uh, shoot, what's the, uh, detectives name? Mark Furman. Mark Furman, um, you know, potentially plants evidence. Mm-hmm.

And they can't find a, they can't find certain items. Like, you know, OJ somehow gets rid of the clothes, the shoes, all that stuff, but somehow keeps the gloves that don't fit. Mm-hmm. Um, and. And, you know, Cato hears him, jump the fence, the whole thing, right? So he ends up, you know, does the, jumps in the limo and goes to, I forget what state he went to. And then he's contacted and told that Nicole is dead.

There's some cuts on his hands. He comes back to, he comes back to, back to California. And, you know, there's the slow speed chase and the. Bronco, they arrest him, and then there's a trial. So after the trial, he's found not guilty. So at what point? So then when was the, they didn't somebody, was it NBC News or someone who paid him like a million dollars to do, to do that interview where, you know, if I had done an interview?

Fox. Fox, okay. Basically, it's, Fox will deny this. So Harper Collins was owned by Fox. Harper Collins and Judith Regan advanced OJ over half a million dollars to write a book called If I Did It. That's 12 years later because it's 2006. So he waits 12 years to do that story and interview. Which he does, but then they get pressure not to put it out.

And then the Goldman's, the Goldman's end up owning the book because the judge gives Fred Goldman the book. because OJ's tried to weasel his way to get paid money when he has a $33 million lean over his head, right? So they sniffed that out. Rupert Murdoch fires Judith Regan for doing the interview. He didn't even know what was going on, really. They shelved the book for a minute.

They shelved the interview till 2018 for another 12 years. No one sees that interview. When he say, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie brought the knife. Charlie followed this guy in. This guy Charlie showed him. Who's Charlie?

Right. And nobody saw it for 12 years. So it's Fox Harper Collins because they own the interview too. It's Fox. So at some point, this guy, so at some point, what happens with Charlie? What does Charlie write? Did you say he writes a book? What was he?

Or he does it? He's trying to solve his life rights. He's quiet for years. He's, he never, he's, he's hush, hush until 27. So remember the Vegas robbery of an OJ got pinched for the memorabilia robbery in Vegas in 07. Erlick's with him. Ehrlich gets pinched too.

There's two charles. There's a Charles Cashmore and there's a Charles Ehrlich. Okay. If people put it together one and one, if they use their brain for a minute, all these journalists and investigators on the greatest murder case of our time, they would have figured out that OJ said there was a guy

named Charlie with him in his book. why are there two charlies with him in Vegas at the Vegas robbery? Is one of those charlies, him? And if you bit them digging and you ran Erlick's dossier, you would have saw that he's a five-time convicted felon. And you would have saw that he worked for Joey Apolito. And you would have saw that Joey Apolito employed Al Cowlings. And there's your connection to O.J. Simpson.

It could have been solved. Yeah, that's what's fascinating, too, about how everybody missed. So Ehrlich goes silent, right? He doesn't talk to OJ for five years after the murders. They don't talk at all. And if you notice where OJ moved, where did OJ move to? Miami, Florida.

Where is Charlie, Miami, Florida? They link back up. Now they're doing their time to a podcast. They had a reality show. There was a porno. OJ was going to be a porno. They're trying to monetize all this stuff. OJ gets like his door kicked in for ecstasy dealing.

The FBI shows up. up at his house. I guarantee Ehrlich's involved in that. Guarantee. So Ehrlich is quiet. Now, he almost goes to jail. He has to pay like 200 grand to get off. He has to borrow money from a family member. This is what he says. And now he hates O.J. He's mad at OJ. OJ. Made him go to Vegas. He made him. He hung it over his head. There's no statute of limitations on double murder. Hate to see things break down for you, Charlie. You've read it. Ready to go to the hotel room? That's all laid out in the script.

He talks about how his emotions are like, you know, this effing guy, dude, this guy's got me like forever. So he decides he's going to come forward and he's going to wrap OJ out without trying to wrap himself out and make a little money and maybe cleanse his soul a little bit. So in 2017, he has a close friend to his go to the producer and say, my friend wants to tell you a story and that's how they met in Vegas okay and that producer contacts you that producer through a friend of mine a friend of mine comes to me and goes you know I know this guy I think you should meet them guys are kind of similar ambitious movie TV bright guys that it was kind of like a meeting of the minds they wanted me to meet this guy so we had a mutual friend that's that's how I met the producer

okay has so i have a question has oj ever heard any of this heard what you're the that that this is coming out that there's podcast that i have a text i have a text from oj okay what was that how'd that happen so basically it's hard to say this um a guy went to oj and said you know about chris todd i have it It's in my phone. I can send it to you if you want to post it. I don't care. You can show it. A guy went to him and said, I'm going to debate this guy, Chris Todd. I think he's full of crap. Calls him to Jews. Hey, Juce. He's a big fan of OJ. OJ actually writes back very briefly and says, I don't know Chris. My team does. So what he's saying is he knows who I am, right? Yeah, he's heard of you.

mind to say, I don't know him because he doesn't want me to beat him. He's a narcissist. He's angry. I tried to golf with him. I know a couple of his people. They called me a bunch of names. They called me crazy. Said nobody wants to talk to you. You're a crazy man. Okay. No problem. Let me golf with OJ. Let me deal with greatness because I'm going to beat you. I already beat you. Right? So I just, that's what I'm trying to do. Anyway. And then he goes, was juice, give me something substantial that proves you weren't there and you don't know Ehrlich or Ehrlich wasn't there too. And OJ never writes back. Okay. So OJ. never tells him anything. He never gives them anything. And I have, I actually have the text. I got it from

somebody. So, yeah, it's on Twitter. It's like in a Twitter message. Yeah, a lot of it, like you've got all least these pictures that you've sent me. So obviously, obviously that's Nicole. Very young Nicole. Right. And who's this? That's a young Nicole with her best friend at the time, David Laban. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. This is, okay. And then we've got, obviously we've got, you know, Roddy. Ron, yeah. Who's this? That's Joey Apolito. Okay. That's Joey. Polito. His wife, I won't say her name. There's, that's Don Aeronaut, works for Meyer Lansky. He was best friends with George Bush.

And Don Aarono was murdered. Murdered in 87. He created the cigarette speedboat. Right. He was murdered by Bobby Young, right? Robert Young. It wasn't Bobby. Well, he went to prison.

No, I know. This is the mom. This is, okay. That's my guy. That's my, this guy's the best. That's Ben Kramer. Ben Kramer's. He's the one who tried to escape in the helicopter.

Yeah, yeah. That's a great story. It was a great sir. And he went to jail for light, for weed, for light. He's one of the only people ever. No. Yeah. It's outrageous.

One of the first people did, right? That's Joey Apolito. Later before he. dies that's right before he dies that's Nicole's sister Denise Brown dating a mafia killer named Tony the animal fiatto

that's kind of weird huh that's weird that's Charlie Ehrlich a young Charlie Ehrlich and that's Joey O'Polito reporter link simpson's friends right

cowling uh to what uh to joey apolita you escaped mobster okay yep so that's the published article that's the published article in 94 okay it's like a right like a clue yeah you've got you've got tons of pictures like there's that's joey that's joey in miami yeah this is a speedboat right there's racing they used to race in the day and smuggle at night yeah speed kills speed kills that's the don erino's story yeah yeah i read the book in prison oh really wow okay yeah they made the movie john sherbolta plays don arrow they change his name and kellyn lutz plays ben kramer they call him robbie reamer they change his name he's actually

he's yeah so that's it all ties man It's all, a guy taught me this, too, with the mob stuff and even some of the kind of Hollywood drugs and sex exploitation. It all connects. They all connect together. They all have like one degree separation. You know what I mean? Like, it's fascinating.

Yeah. It's the elites. It's kind of like celebrities, right? There's not that many celebrities. So when you say, Joey have parties at Turnberry Isle. And Don Irano was there. and Don Sofer, who created Turnberry Isle, Aventura. He was mob.

Okay? They called him after Don Irina was murdered. Don Sofer got a call and said, you're next. And he skipped town for two days. And guess who's an OJ suicide letter, Don Sofer? Why? Why does he know him? Why does he know B. Wayne Hughes?

He's all billionaire playboys that used to golf at Aventura. And Paul, what's the mean, Donna Rice, Gary Hart, mob, mob, set up. So she worked for Don Sofer. She worked at frigging Turnberry Isle. So how does this whole thing play out? What's happening now? What is your, what's the goal now? Now is to let it ride and see what happens.

I have a couple of new people I'm talking to. I'm glad that you, I was able. will to talk to you. I tried to come to you before, you know, and it's hard to get people. You guys are busy. You're kind of famous people. So I'm just trying to spread the word. Right. You do big stuff, man. You've got big guests on your show. I mean, your shows, it's good. So I someone obviously needs to pick it up in the media, like the mainstream media, somebody's got to step in like an ABC, NBC, Fox, CBS, whatever. I'm not then. I can't do that. I can write the books all day long. And I can have Jeff Bezos. let me exercise my freedom of speech.

I don't sell that many books, a couple hundred copies. Every other month, a couple hundred go out. Like, it's not like a ton of books are sold. And so, you know, the Miami New Times article came out. Nobody banged on my door. Nobody banged on anybody's door. We had something done in the gangster report. That's online.

Maybe people don't want the story. Part of me, you know, I haven't haul about like, if I keep, talking about it but nobody picks it up maybe they don't want it you know we don't know the public well why can't you do your own documentary i could i could do that i just for me like doing like more youtube stuff i'm pretty much over that like i like being interviewed i like work with guys like you i'd rather do that than make a documentary that's for hollywood to do that's their job they should do it i could do it but i don't feel like paying for it myself and and I don't feel like putting it in a black hole.

There's 10 million videos a day on YouTube. There are some guys that, you know, do these little kind of, you know, they're very low budget, you know, documentaries that they can do themselves. But they're pretty interesting. And I think narrated by one of those guys, cut with your, an interview with you might end up being kind of compelling, you know. And then there are guys that do.

I try. Have you ever talked about, and you've talked to us, Seth Ferranti? Like, his aren't really low budget, but they're... I actually tried to get to Seth at one time. A couple of years ago, I did write him. I never heard back. I don't know if you ever saw my email. I do know him.

I did write him. I don't chase him now, but, I mean, I'm all ears if somebody wants to talk to me. But I've already gone to everybody. I've gone to every productive company. I've gone to every studio, every agent, everybody. They all know who I am. Like, go to any... You would be.

hard-pressed to find somebody in Hollywood that has not heard about this story from me. It'd be almost impossible. Did you see the OJ? So there was a documentary on Netflix, and I think it's the OJ murders. I forget what the name of it is. But it's done by, I want to say, it's two detectives that. Norman Fargo. Oh, no, wait, wait.

Wait, wait. There's a new one out called Blood Lies and Murder, which was on Reels, and now it's on Peacock. Are you talking about that one that just came out? Or are you talking about Norman Pardo's a couple of years ago called Who Killed Nicole? No, this one came out a couple, maybe six months ago, less than six months ago. That's Blood Lies and Murder with Tom Lang, the ex-detective, and Rod Engler, one of the forensic guys, yes. it's the first time i've really seen the brutality of that murder like they show the real the real um you know photographs and and these two guys uh so was i right they were two detectives oh okay tom lang's a detective the other guys like a forensic pathologist crime scene investigator reenactor rod angler i know both i know rod angler so well you know they they do a great job kind of slowly, you know, cutting up, you know, dismantling the entire crime scene.

The only problem is the wrong. Well, I understand that. Yeah. I understand that. But I'm saying the guy that did that, clearly, you know, that was not a high, that was an extremely high budget film. You've got two guys that slowly go over. I mean, it was very well done, but they didn't do reenactments.

They didn't, they didn't interview 40 different people. they didn't fly all over the country it was a very simple how did this happen what does the crime scene tell us and they laid it out very slowly like that seems like like i know that produced the guy that produced that produced that i could put you in touch with him you're talking about are they from canada the company they might be i think they are is their company start with a b i'm not sure but you know how many pretty prussian companies i know i know the guys i already went to him. Oh, okay. Yeah. See, that's what I'm saying. It's going to be our, I know I already went to them. There's two guys. They're from Canada. I won't say their production company name.

They were cool. We did a couple calls. They had already made the OJ thing. I said, hey, if you really want to go for the Grand Slam, I'll give you all the Ehrlich stuff and you, why don't you show there's an accomplice? Tom Lang wouldn't let him do it because Tom Lang's a fraud. Okay, he messed up the case from day one. He runs his mouth. He can't shut up. He keeps talking about the case. There's nobody else at the murder scene. Yes, there is Tom. Wake up. Same with Rod Engler. Rod Engler sent me a rude message. Okay. Trying to debate me. Come debate me then. Where are you at? Let's do it. They're cowards. They're frauds. Okay. Two people killed Ron and Nicole. And the funny part, you know what the best part is when Rod Engler and Tom Lang are going through

the Bronco, they start making up shit stuff about why there's blood on the passenger seat. Why is there blood on the passenger floorboard? Why is there blood on the passenger door on the outside? Why? They just start whipping stuff up. Yeah, OJ came over here and he climbed over the seat. Oh, yeah, he climbed over the seat. What about if somebody else was there?

Ever think of that part? Oh, the knife, he put the knife on the seat. And that's why there's blood. No. or somebody sitting there covered in blood. Those two guys are a joke. And I'm sorry to be rude about it. This is part of my deal too, man.

I challenge people. So those producers, they did their thing cool. There's no market for OJ. You know, we had a really hard time selling it to Reels. It started at Reels. Then it went to Peacock. Okay. So they keep talking about OJ.

The 30th anniversary is coming up. Good for you. like cool why are you censoring the murder accomplice story so we'll see they're doing another one I won't say the company's name they're a big production company they're going to do a special I went to them I offered them I have the discovery file from the case nobody's ever seen I have a living artifact in in true crime history and they didn't want it they're going to interview they're going to interview Denise and Tanya and Cato Kalin and the goal And they're all going to tell the same story they told for 30 years.

It's a joke, man. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm going to say it that way. Okay. So what it, and, and so your hope for this is what, what, what's going, what to get a movie made it over it over, somebody take it over from me, someone with power and clout, somebody take what I have. I can bring you the tape from the other producers, go to them, cut a deal with them, play the whole tape.

I don't have the whole tape. Play the whole 20-hour tape, about the mafia, about his life in the mob, how he grew up. I was, you know, do the good fellows, go make the movie, and I'll sit back and I'll get popcorn and I'll be the first one to buy it on freaking Netflix. You know what I mean? Like, somebody do something. I can't do it myself. I've already tried. you know i can't keep trying so it's like and maybe someday look i'm not saying never if charlie

dies tomorrow if oj dies tomorrow maybe they'll come forward maybe they're waiting for them to die you know right i'll think nothing okay okay i don't know uh what anything else you you're right anything else you want to go over no no i'm just watching you know you're getting You're just like, you're like, you're, these motherfuckers. This guy, this guy's the media, this Matt Cox guy. Can I say something? Can I put out a mini challenge to some of your people? Sure.

Patrick Bet David, help me on your show. I tried to tell you the story. Why don't you let me tell the story on your show? There you go. Yeah, I'm trying to think like a, um, I met Patrick. I talked to Patrick Bet David. He had interest in this a couple of years ago.

And his people call me like once in a blue moon. They'll call me up. And but I guess they don't like me anymore. They're afraid of the story. They won't let me come on the show anymore. They wanted to fly me out. They were going to buy me a plane ticket a couple of years ago. I didn't go.

I didn't have all the stuff really I had today. So my message is Patrick Bet David. I'd love to come on your show and tell the story. I mean, I would love to think that Patrick Bet David watches my stuff. Well, he interviewed you. Well, he interviewed you. He did.

I don't think he's got the time. He was in Texas. He's now in South Florida. I know. Like where Erlich is. Yeah, he could, maybe you could put something together. I was going to say I had a guy. I wrote a book called bailout.

And I had a guy take it and turn it into like an hour-long documentary on his channel. And he went through, you know, kind of systematically and, you know, broke down the story. Cool. And he's got a YouTube channel. It's, you know, I don't know how many views that got. But, you know, and the other guy who does this is like Chad Marks, he'll take stories and kind of break them down. Listen, there's tons of these guys. And they just kind of read off what's going on in the case.

And then they, they show, you know, B-roll and, uh, I'm all ears. I mean, if they want to come to me. you want to refer me to some i'm all yours you got my you have my email you have my number they can contact me i'm just you know i'm not i'm just not going to chase anybody i i have the content i'm holding the golden egg they should be coming to me okay i'm not saying that in an arrogant way i've chased everybody for seven years i'm done i came to you because i'm now i'm more looking for podcasters hosts i'm trying to tell the story to people that have a platform that do crime stories That's why, you know, I did, you know, the mob guy in the East Coast.

I don't want to say people's names, but I did something on the East Coast. I did a recent one. I do Cinemales TV. Michael Franzis. What's that? I tried to go to Mike Francis. He ignored me. I tried.

He's busy. Yeah, he's. You know, I went to Sammy the Bullo. I went to John Eli. You know, I had some brief conversations. Look, those guys are entrenched in their story. Okay. Yeah.

That's, if it doesn't involve their world, I get it. They're not, they're really, those guys are very, I don't know what the word is. They're very centered on themselves, okay? I'm saying that in kind of a nice way. Okay. If it's not about them, they're not interested. You are a host. You are showing other people's stories.

That's why I think you were interested when I first contacted you. That's what you're doing. Like what Patrick Bet David does. Like what Vlad TV does. He won't let me on my I issue a challenge to Vlad why won't you let me on your show you had Bodden on there you had Cato Caelin You have this infatuation with OJ Simpson. Why don't you tell the truth? Well, um, I was going to say you know like with me you had to reach back out like I mean I get so many Yeah inquiries that you know that I there are times when I'll literally be sitting someplace and we'll be talking with someone and suddenly I'll be like oh my god this guy you know

It'll spark something. Yeah. Months ago, somebody contacted me with it. But I'm reading five and six of these, you know, a day. Well, that's probably an exaggeration. Either way, it's several a day. And you have to sift through like, okay, this isn't really a story. And I always felt bad.

Like sometimes I'll talk to somebody on the phone and just say, hey, listen, like, you know, no offense. You don't really have a story. I mean, you have a story, but it's not worth doing a two-hour podcast on. Yeah. You know, so. Well, look, I get rid. back by, you know, Patrick Beth David's team, wrote me back, I talked to Patrick a couple times. Vlad's written me back. I've talked to, I've texted back and forth. He censors

the story, period. I don't care what people say, you know, they're censoring the story. I'm not like accusing them. I don't care who it is. It doesn't matter what their name is. If I come to you with the biggest crime story and pop culture story that's important and you're a journalist and you all do it. That's censorship. I have this debate all the time. They'll say, well, well, it's just not up my alley. Okay, we'll give you a little out. It's not your genre. But the story affects us all. We all live this. And when OJ said, oh, I have prostate cancer, why did ABC tell that story? Why? Did ABC vet that he had prostate cancer? Did you get his medical records? No, you didn't. So why? Why are you telling a story about OJ? Because he said it on his

Twitter feed? Why are you following OJ Simpson? He murdered two people. He's a double murderer who defrauded our country. So why is NBC telling the story about OJ talking about running backs and need better contracts? I thought you don't want OJ. When I came to you, you call me a bunch of names. So why are you talking about OJ? You see my point? It's like, are you a news outlet or are you a tabloid? What are you? And that's where... Look, look, I'm not a huge Donald Trump guy. I used this example a lot. Our president at the time, who's probably going to be our next president again, called the media fake news. Think about that. Our president, the highest status in our country, the commander in chief, called NBC fake. There's a, okay. So, and I've seen it too with this.

I'm like, why are they blocking? Well, they're not blah. We're not. We're not. blocking the story. We just, you know, we need to vet this look. Vet what? Giving you the tape segments, the written version. You know what I had to do to get that stuff? They didn't just, they didn't give it to me. Okay? People had to whistleblow on them. So that's my thing. The real one I call out, it's the LA Times. They're a fraud. They have blocked me for years. They're a joke. I could name their names. I will name them. But LAAP press fraud. It's really like, it's almost baffling to me.

So my new trip is the censorship. I already know what I have with OJ and Ehrlich. I've watched the trial twice. I have all the evidence. I have all the witnesses. I have things that make your headspin. I have articles that nobody's ever seen. Pieces of evidence from LAPD themselves.

I have stuff you couldn't even. I'm the discovery filed. No one even knows how I got that. So. It's just like a black bag job. Did you have to break in a place to kind of like a mission impossible thing? I can't say that. I can't say like a flyer come down like no.

Yeah, exactly. Done. Let's just say, let's just say other people were courageous to whistleblow. Let's just say that. Okay. And I needed help. And but my point is my real trip now is the censorship are media. I'm obsessed with why the media blocks me.

If I was to talk about OJ, that's like, over lunch secondhand don't even care don't even care i want to know why you at abc are blocking me from telling the story you let other people tell fake stories jason did it discovery id did a thing with bill dear paid him three hundred thousand dollars for a fake story the son did it and here's the evidence here's the knife he pulls out this fake night like it's just why are you doing fake stories why don't you to tell the real story all right well listen let me get you uh a let me set you up with some other true crime guys that you know i appreciate i do i really appreciate maybe you can help and i'll contact that guy that did the uh he did like a little mini doc on uh on one of

the stories that i i have i'll check that out i want to see that jeff bezos chose not to have on his platform oh really yeah yeah oh yeah because the real guy like i put the book up man it started selling like i was like wow this is great like it i put it up the same time i did a podcast on it so it was doing great for about six weeks and he sent them he sent a cease and desist order why whatever it was to to amazon but because i had written the guy oh guy you wrote about a story with him in prison okay about his story when when i was done he didn't like the story but the story is 100% accurate and it was a and listen i did a great no offense you know i did a great job it was a great it's a great book one of the better

books I've ever written. I mean, I really did a great job. So, and it was selling great. And he got it, he managed to get Amazon to take it down. Wow. Which I is really almost unheard of. Yeah. And I went and hired an attorney. The attorney could, you know, he went back and forth with their attorneys a little bit. And when they asked for us to provide all of the documentation and we did, they just stopped responding. So he was like, he was at this point, we're going to have to file a lawsuit. And I was like, fuck. Like, I don't want to have to file a lawsuit. I got like, I got like, like six other books up there so i put it on another platform it's on barns and nobles now yeah okay and it's and it's on like good read and a bunch of other ones so amazons down

because this guy complained almost like a copyright strike with youtube right but the guy's a complete first of all the problem is is the book says he's a pathological liar and it's not just me like the the the federal government had had him speak with like a um you know a psychiatrist who said he's a pathologist he's a habitual liar every one of his victim says he's a pathological liar his life says he's a pathological liar like the problem is is that i wrote a whole book about you know surrounded by art my experience with him in prison and telling the story and what really happened he flipped out and then what does he do he writes this complete you know bullshit you know i don't even know this guy uh you know he's like what you're like i have a contract

with you i have signed documents with you i have you know like and we should And we show, you know, and I own the story. I have a copyright, you know, so we send all that to their lawyer. They're like, you need to have this and this and this. None of which I have to have, by the way. You know, I don't need any of it. The guy's a, he's a public figure. He was arrested for this.

I have all the, I have the, I have all the, I have a Freedom of Information Act. From all the different, uh, departments. I have his transcripts, everything. And so I vetted everything. So we send them everything that they say, we have to have. have which we don't and as soon as they see oh wow he does every single thing we ask for he's got they just decided just stop responding oh that's interesting yeah that's interesting uh for amazon to do that because they put up yeah i'm just thinking about like yeah because my stuff

i have a few books up there too but yeah yeah you're sure yeah you could take it to a publisher too maybe you could get it published for real like through a real but when i initially started to do it I was in prison. And so I sent it to a few publishers and, you know, they were all of them were like super interesting, but you know what I'm saying, this guy's incarcerated. So then when I got out and I started self-publishing, it was so much easier and faster and more lucrative. Oh, good.

That's good. Listen, like you're not going to make, you know, like I've gotten book deals when I was incarcerated. You know, I got a $3,500 advance. And then every six months, I get a check for $112. $54. Right. Right.

But you know, you put it on Amazon and it starts selling. Yeah. And you can make, it may not be, you know, $10,000 a month, but sometimes it's $1,200, sometimes it's 600. It depends on how many podcasts you go on. Right. Yeah. And then you can also do, um, Audible is half of my, about half of what I make on Amazon.

Okay. If you make $1,000 on for your book on Amazon, you're going to make another 500 bucks on Audible. audible. Okay. Nice. You might want to think about that. Reading, uh, reading, uh, reading your book, you know, just are narrating your entire book. I have one on YouTube. I actually made an audio book on YouTube. I put it up there. So, but, uh, yeah, but I meant I was saying audible. Yeah, of course. Um, so, okay, I will get you, I'm going to, I'll text you all the names of, of all these guys and, uh, track down the one guy that did the documentary. And, uh, let's see. Yeah. and I'll put the links up for your book.

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