Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The RISE, FALL, & RETURN of a multi-million dollar CRIME KINGPIN | Devin Reilly

Episode Date: December 25, 2023

The RISE, FALL, & RETURN of a multi-million dollar CRIME KINGPIN | Devin Reilly

It was a business to me from day one. I went from and fucking to steroids and gambling. If there was a way to make money in it, I did it. I played softball with the state police. I'm selling 50 pounds of a in the trunk. I was under 24-hour surveillance for 18-month-street.

They had kingpin charges against me. My first offer from the state was 80 years with a 40-year minimum. So you could be out in 40? Who the f*** going to do? I'm out. Fuck you! I was born in New Jersey.

My parents got divorced when I was 6 or 70. I don't remember how old was. My father's a prick during the divorce the whole time, you know. Growing up, living in two-bedroom, my sister and I and my mom slept on the couch. You know, my dad didn't give any money as the attorney because he knew all the judges in town and he would always get out of it. My grandfather, he was my best friend. I called him Jack. I didn't even call him, I called him Jack.

Right. But he's my best friend. Like, he was my guy on my 17th birthday. So let me go back. My mother got divorced my father. Her high school sweetheart, she got very, very, very, very, very, reunited with and married him, his name's Rick, my stepfather, best dude in the world. He was like, my real dad growing up. Right. My father was my friend. Rick was like my dad. So if something

went wrong, I'm calling Rick. I called dad to, you know, if you want to hang out, you know, that kind of thing. Right around my 17th birthday, I moved back with my father. On my 17th birthday, my grandfather passed away. Okay. So I went to see him and he said, good, you know, he said, happy birthday, passed away about five minutes later. Was he sick? He had cancer. So three months before that, He coughed, went to the doctor. He was a smoker. He died young. He was in the 60s, early 60s.

But that was my guy. So the deal I had with them was my grandfather and my grandmother said, we'll give you $5,000 if you don't do drugs. Okay. You know, to get a car. I don't. So like, you know, my friends would, like, smoke weed. And I'd go in the other room.

The feds? The feds. I don't know. 17th birth to my grandfather passed away. Right. And that's kind of when everything went downhill. You know, I didn't have anything to lose at that time. I wasn't, I wasn't, my mentor is gone, you know, kind of.

Because my stepfather was a great guy, but I was kind of with, because I was with my grandfather every day. You know, lunch, I mean, like I said, pick him from school from when I was in fifth grade every day. So I started driving. And at 17 is when I kind of just went the other route. So, well, I mean, like, were, but you're saying, like, drugs weren't, were they a part of your life? No, no. I mean, my father, my father's an attorney. So he'd party with all his attorney friends down in the basement for the weekend,

they'll fucking up all, and then sleep all Sunday. But my father drank. It doesn't sound like the normal attorney to me. This is, this is, yeah. So they had this whole crew, he's, you know, he's a local, local attorney. At 4.30, they go to, walk to the bar, stay until 7, go home and go to bed. I mean, that was kind of every day. He was a functioning alcoholic.

He didn't drink at all during. the day but from 437 he go to bar you know they buy everybody that kind of thing right um and then they have cards in the basement you know this is in uh in the 80s you know they'd have like card games of six or seven attorneys down the basement they stay in the basement all weekend then he'd sleep all day sunday and go to work on monday he never missed work either right you know um and my mother was totally opposite you know she's the never doing anything wrong kind of you know right that kind um so no it wasn't definitely like a typical but my grandfather was typical like he was just a regular guy right and that was my mentor so and i mean

so but i'm saying you weren't into drugs at that point no so how is how did you make the leap from so you just immediately said oh no i want to go get your drugs okay i was down to that we have beach house and i was watching m tv that went mtv was music and ice tea hustler music video came on with the drug dealers the cools around the pool i was like i want to do that I can do that. If these dudes, I can do it. And that's, that, the Icy hustler is the, what got me started in the drug game. He ruined you.

Ruin me. Unintentionally ruined me because I'm, you know, I must have just been soft. We'll have to get that. We'll have to get that. We'll have to get the clip. Yeah. You know, the icy, and I've looked for it, but it's, you know, the MTV in the 80s, you know, but it was, yeah, probably like 81, 82. I don't know what came out.

But, yeah, that's what got me in the game. So how did that, how does that start? Like, how do you know where to go? Well, how do you know? living in Philadelphia is drugs are very accessible everywhere you go so you know and you always know somebody so I was going to school there I knew the drug dealer I knew the neighborhood drug dealer in the city you know that kind of thing but in Millville where I lived but prior it was you know they didn't have that because they didn't have access he had a couple little projects but you didn't go into projects because you're scared right so when as I'm as my the day my grandfather died I still remember I'm at the stoplight by his house I pass a car I was like I'm going to get A ball like I'm going to break this I'm going to figured out and that's that's kind of how it all started and so I went to Philadelphia because I had to access that where my mom I had access to drugs there much easier I just see one of the guys hey listen I want to eight ball where I couldn't in Milville you'd never find that yeah

you asked one or two people somebody's going to tell you go to talk to so I'll make a phone call go pick it up yep so it was 120 hours first April I think it was back then and what are you what are you so I get a home and I call it my friend Keith he's then one ended up telling on me right And we break it into 20 bags. And we make, I think it was $300 worth of $20. So we would double our money plus $50 or $60. So we did that. And so he lived in an area called Woodbine, which was probably 15 miles down the road.

It was a sending district to the schools in Millville. So Woodbine was between where I wasn't like the shore. So there was a lot of traffic through there. Now, I never wanted to hand sell drugs. And my thing was, if I'm going to prison, you're going to know. Like, I'm not going to jail for a 20 bag ever. Right. So I never, I never sold 20 bags to anybody. Here, you know, here's 620s, give me 100 back. You know, here, and he would do the same, you know, and he'd take his to woodbine. And it grew very quick because we were accessible, you know. Right. Where in the town, where he comes school, we were accessible and people would know. So my junior year of high school is kind of like when, if you see the video, that's when the process, that's when he started, he started, he started selling drugs.

on my behalf. Right. You know. Yeah, I was going to say it's funny because like out of all the guys I've, you know, interviewed, you know, the drug guys, the drug guys that got into selling drugs because they were using drugs, they never seemed to go anywhere. Like, like, they're, there's really just selling for their habit. Even if they're making a little bit of money, they're not making very much money.

They're never, never even making enough to really be middle class. It's always lower middle class. It's the guys that go in. Like, what was the, do you remember the guy that had all the gold he had to dig up? Yeah. Yeah. Um, I forget his name. He was good too.

10 million dollars Cs. Yeah, yeah. He, he, he wasn't a drug guy. He, he was totally just a business to him. That's me too. I hate these guys. He was like, these guys aren't making money, but they're not, or these guys are, aren't, they're, they're breaking the law, but they're not making any real money.

But then he realized he's like, but they're not really running it as a business. They don't know how to run a business. They're doing it. Like, I'm going to go sell these drugs. because my electric bill is due. I'm going to go sell these drugs because I have to pay rent. And that's it. And then they just stop.

They start fucking around the rest of the time, you know, until another bill came due. Exactly. And they're the guys that Keith would sell to, the ones that, you know, Keith didn't really do drugs either. Right. You know, when he, that's, it was a business to me from day one. You know, when I was, as I was going on, I said, my grandfather's ice business, I was 14 or 15 years old making business decisions for the company going to my grandfather. Like, listen, we should try this.

Right. So I have that business mind. immediately. I don't like drugs. I never like drugs. I think they're disgusting. Right. You know, I just, but I love money. You know, money and women are my two vices. Right. And I can admit it. You know, you say, oh, he gets, I don't do drugs. I do edibles now because they said I couldn't, because of my felony, I couldn't get my medical marijuana card. Well, guess what? I went and got my medical marijuana and I buy a dispensary. I've never bought a drug off the street to consume. I mean, like, you know, and I don't drink. So from day one,

this is my I want to be I don't want to sell eight balls can I ask you a question real quick yeah do you do you not drink because you're because of your father do you think I don't know if it's that I just don't enjoy being I like knowing what's going on right you know it's like a control and of myself I don't want to control anybody else but I don't be in control myself okay I don't make I make very very bad decision sober I couldn't imagine if I was drinking that you know what I listen so my dad's an alcoholic and I've always said like I, when I was a kid, I just realized I'm not going to drink. Like, I'm not going

to be this guy. And one of the things I always say is like, listen, you understand that sober, I'm a borderline asshole all the time? All the time. Can you imagine me drunk? And I do. And I want to be, I can't imagine drinking and being out of control and making fucked up decisions and these guys get into cars and accidents. Oh, yeah. And you know, listen, even like that, and it ruins your next day. Right. I want to get up next day and start running. Like, I don't want to sit like I have a headache, feel like shit. I watch it. And you know what? There's nothing more embarrassing than when you see how people act when you're the sober one. And you see these other people. I'm like, if you knew what you'd look like, you would never do it. My father was never out of control when he drank. You know,

he was the same. He functioned. You wouldn't even know he's drunk. But he just had eight VO stingers. Like he, you know, he didn't act. He raged a little bit, you know, like, you know, we'd fight and things like that. But he wasn't like an alcoholic to where he was like stumbling and things like that. Now, I had picked him up a few times. Like, you know, at being a lawyer in the city, he drove at Jaguar X-JS. That's V-12, the, I would, I just had my license. I see this Jaguar in the parking lot of Domino's with a big water. He fell asleep in the car.

The cops just called me to go get him. You know, as I'm looking, he'd be in front of the bar that he'd go to all the time, just sleeping in his car, with his car running. So I don't want to be that dude. Yeah, yeah. You know, if I do it. So that there's just no desire. Like I might do it take a sip if I'm out to dinner with, you know,

Here, try this. Okay, it tastes like shit. I know it's going to taste like shit, but if you want to try it, let's do it. So. All right. So you said you never sold to, you know, you never sold in the street. You started selling immediately to street dealers. Yes.

And how do you, how long does that go on before you start climbing the? That's what, so I had to talk with Keith. And so I was like, so I went to see Keith. I said, listen, here's my idea. Because I see there's a market here for this. You know, because like said, it's so accessible in Philadelphia. That's not accessible here, but there's people, listen, you're selling, these eight balls are getting sold in 20 minutes. Right.

Let's take over this whole woodbine area. We want to supply a certain area. And I know I can figure out how to get there. So my struggle was getting that next connection going from the eight balls and the quarters to the four and a half ounces, nine ounces, those kind of things. So that was kind of my job. You take care of it. I'll take care of the stuff up the top. And that's what I actually end up doing.

How did that come about? So I, um, in Philadelphia, I, you know, there's all the Italians and you got Jamaica, you know, all different neighborhoods. I, I was talking to, um, he was a pretty good friend of mine. He's like, listen, you go to this, this apartment complex, you walk upstairs, you go in, go to the back, you get anything you want. You want 100 kilos they have them. It's like 7.11.

It doesn't make sense. Right. Okay. But listen, you're young. I'm young. Like, what the fuck? So I pull my hat down low. I'm tan.

And they think I'm Spanish. You know, like I was 215 pounds instead of 270. Right. So, you know, so I walk up these steps and it's Jamaicans and Haitians or whatever they were. And I walk in his door and I look down a hallway probably 100 feet. It's of a projects. And the doors are all cut in half. They're like barn doors.

And there's cages at the bottom, like fencing at the bottom. And there's dogs in every room. Okay, barking as you're walking down this hallway with this other guy. dogs everywhere. I'm like, what, what the fuck am I doing? You know? Yeah. I get to, dogs at the back or something or just. So I walk to the end of the door.

I walk in, there's a table like you have set up here with just kilos and a triple beam in front of you. Okay. What do you want? Like, so I had enough money on me. I think at that time it was, um, for like nine ounces. It was $7,200. I don't know what the number was, but I had that money on me.

So I was like, I'm a kid. Like, I want nine ounces. You know, like, I'd get. So as I'm walking back, I'm like, yo, what are these dogs here for talking this guy? And he has broken English. So what happens is he's explained to me, if the cops run in, they hit a button, the doors open. The dog come out into the hallway so the guys at the end can get up to steps they have in the last apartment and get to the apartment next door and get out. So it was just the way they set it up.

Right. And I tell this to people all the time, they don't understand. Drug dealers, outthink anybody. You know, who else? There's not a guy that would think of that. that didn't you that's a smart move the cops ain't getting through those dogs in time they're going to shoot all those dogs and this i like dogs more than humans i was gonna say i would feel bad but but yeah but that's that was their job i mean you know and they hit a button in

that back room and before they got that sounds like something that you would think would be in mexico or venice and that's probably where it came from right you know i'm sure there's a big guy that came down so i got to that level and i and so then i had a connection here so what that started doing is that started bringing other people into the organization right You know, hey, Keith, go talk to this guy, bring him down, let me talk to them. So I never really made direct talks to people. I've made them come to me.

And I'm saying, this is what I want to do and I can do it better. Because I'm not getting high. Right. And I'm not, you know, I want to put a good, I still want to put a good product out because I want them to take mine and not yours. Right. That kind of thing.

So that's my mentality all the time. Yeah, I was going to say, I have a buddy who, it was funny that these guys were in L.A. And it was the same thing. They ran it like a business. it's funny because the guy at the top like everybody always somebody's always not always but you know in their case the one he was a gambler and it was like there's always some guy who's got some fucked up thing vice yeah some vice that and it wasn't drugs it was just like he was just

a fucking degenerate gambler he goes and he he said by the time we would figure out he doesn't have the money or he's you know flipping shit to get money and the money's gone or this and that and you'd be like okay well how how deep are you in he's like and his It's not like he owes 10 grand. He owes like, I owe half a million dollars or I own 1.5 million. He's like, and there are mobsters looking for him. It's like, oh, my, how did you get that deep? Right.

And, yeah, it's, it's a, I mean, I think it takes a certain type of personality. It's kind of like, you know, I've said this before. Like, it's like, you know, you get these guys who are CEOs and presidents of the, you know, or, you know, mayors and, you know, governors and presidents. And, and, you know, and they have this narcissistic, you know. um personality disorder but that's that's his disorder but that's also what make got him to the president right because if he didn't have it then he'd be working at walmart as a manager like yeah so it's always something like those guys that are risk takers that are willing to do this insane shit and break the law and take the risks and do everything sometimes there's just some other fucking thing

that comes along with it you know i mean at the end of the day we all have something that hits us you know and i try to listen i try to stay focused and discipline i do i mean i i i And I didn't spend, like, you know, in sneakers. I didn't buy cars. I just wanted the money. Right. Because I got, what am I going to do next? You know, I'm always thinking the next move or the next two moves.

So I didn't waste any, any money at all, like, at first, you know. My biggest thing, like, I fly to, like, Oregon to see somebody. You know, that was like my big, like, that's it. Right. But when I do that, I'd worry about the guys home. They're either breaking in the house or stealing the cash. Or in the bag, you hit and taking something out and putting some an isotol in. Are you, are you, um,

Like, are you flashy with money? Are you spending? I wasn't spending, but I carry cash. Like, I just carry. So if I'd be the store, I'd, you know, pull out of $5,000 in 20s, look like an idiot, you know. And I see that now, but then it was just every day. It was nature, you know, it's one of those things, I guess, you know, complacence is not the right word, but it's just, you don't know. You know, like pulling out, a while while pulling out, you know, all these stinking 20s.

Yeah. You know, that kind of thing. It would be even worse because now nobody uses cash at all. At least, you know, 20 years ago. Everybody had cash. Absolutely. The old people will still just carry cash because I just, if I see someone on the road, I want to buy it. Like, right?

I don't want to say, oh, let me go go to my debit card to ATM. No. Here, you need, you want $10,000? I got $7,000 right now taking it and then let me get out of here, that kind of thing. God. So, so what is like, were there, what are you doing as far as like the organization? Is it just you and Keith? No, we brought in.

So it took about. Like, is there a hierarchy? Like, what's the, so. What did the FBI, what did the DEA chart look like? So it was, right, I was at the top. Yeah, so Operation Deal Breaker, you can still look it up. Oh, really? Yeah, that's what it's called.

It's in, you know, it's Operation Deal. So that's what they called it. And they called it that, which is, we're going ahead. But they called that because I was on the phone all the time. So they had phone. I was phone tab for 18 months. I was under 24 hours surveillance for 18 months straight. And you would say, oh, that's a deal breaker?

No, I would say, hey, listen, make the fucking deal. So I'm called my real estate office and we're going to go to make the deal. Because the market was crazy when they're, I mean, the real estate market. So my thing was always they make the fucking deal So Keith called me, hey listen They want this that may you happen Fucking make it work, let's get it out Turn it over

I was always making the deal happen So they called my sting operation deal breaker Right So it was me and then there was Jamal Another guy that we didn't even do things together We borrowed things but they put us at the top And then everybody down Okay

And Rosetti was two You know right underneath me And then it went you know him Because there was people in the in my raid That I didn't know You know just all the way down Yeah, yeah. And, of course, you know, you get all that.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's, you got 36 code defendants. I don't know half these fox. Like, I don't care what they're doing. Yeah. So, I mean, were there, did people ever get picked off and you like?

So here and there, you know, so we live in a smaller city. There's 25,000. 20,000, 25,000. Here and there, you get, like, somebody get called with a 20 bag, you know, a hundred piece. And you always hear like, oh, they told on, they told on you, they did this. But there was really never, there was nothing they could do to me. I mean, you know, they would say your house, you know, we'd have people, your house, they're watching your house because I had these little apartments. That guy stayed there all the time. I leave, you know, your house is hot. Well, you know, the streets talk more than the cops talk. Right. So that's, it was more that. But you have to know that if these guys are getting picked off left and right and they're mentioning your name and then the cops know your name. Oh, they know. They know. But if they can't prove anything, what are you going to do? Right. You know. But at some point, at some point, they're going to put together a task force or something and say, hey, we got, we got. We got. We got. This guy's name has been mentioned 30 times in the last two years.

We know what the structure is. We can't really get to him, but we've got to figure out how to get to him. At some point, they're going to start building that case. Well, that's, so I sold drugs for 18 years. Right. So, that's insane. I got caught and only got caught because, only got caught because of 9-11, the Patriot Act. Okay.

So they tried to get warrants on me for years and couldn't get it. Patriotac came and, you know, they hit the towers. They came out as big Patriarch, nobody read it, but it gave the government the authority to listen to anybody's phone for no reason. Right. So that's what they had on me. They couldn't get me hand-to-hand any ever. And, you know, they had, they had a task source set up one time.

I know, you know, going after us and we just stopped. We always had people that kind of knew inside things. So my big, when they did finally get me, my hometown. they didn't even tell the cops that they're investigating this. So the feds were on me for 18 months, 18 months, 24 hours a day surveillance. And I didn't know it. One time I saw them. You would think you'd know.

But after doing it for as long as I was, I wasn't even worse. Like, I know I'm clean. I wasn't clean, but I thought I was clean because I'm not touching it now. Right, right. And you get the biggest problem with the feds is they just don't stop. Yeah. They unlimited. I'm playing softball around the country.

they have a fed in the plane next to me. I'm playing softball. They're in the woods taking pictures of me. And I'm just playing ball. Right. So it's, you know, that kind of thing. That's how they got me. They got me in a phone call.

They listened. They raided me early. Well, can I ask a question real quick? So you said you were getting stuff from the Jamaicans, but did it always stay with them? Yeah. So I went ahead. So no. So after I got to, I started making different connections.

Like I'd go to Vegas, you know, and I've met a couple guys out there. So I got into, I went from Coke and weed to steroids and gambling, like bookmaking. Okay. Like every, if there was a way to make money in it, I did it. I grew marijuana in the woods. Okay. So, because, you know, you're buying this junk weed from California and shit for $800,000 a pound.

Well, you can grow this shit in the woods and get $4,000 pounds. Right. Makes sense. I went to Amsterdam, like you said, just to buy seeds. Okay. I never smoked it. So I took a guy with me, flew in first class. he goes we go to Amsterdam and you've been there um I'm taking him to these like shops you know

where they sell the seeds and they have all you know the cafes where it was he's getting so fucked up he can't tell him if it's good so he's got to go back to the room pass out like you know so I end up getting seeds I tie him in my jacket to come home with that and you know and through through um new york customs yeah um oh I mean did it ever were you ever bring anything from nothing ever came from the cartel or so I so I went from there so I met a guy and they introduced me to another guy and it was Florida.

Right. And that's just how I went. Right. You know, because I don't need, listen, I don't ask names usually. So I ended up in Florida. So that's how,

and it was coming right off the boat from the Italians. Okay. So that's what that, and so I went from a court, eight ball quarter that way up to 40 keys on a phone call, which I didn't touch.

I never touched it. I just, what I did, I counted the money sent in a bag on a Greyhound down there to Florida. And back then, keys were 16,000 a key.

Where are they now? You know, a lot more. Listen, it was like eggs. You know what I mean? I don't fucking know. 30, 40,000, I'm sure. Yeah, I was going to say it's funny whenever I talk to people, they're, you know,

the whole, like, you're saying all, and listen, all drug dealers always like, they didn't catch me with anything, you know, because at the time, you think, well, I don't want to have it. You might as well have it. You know, same fucking difference. Right. Same thing.

You know, they never, so when they raided me, they so let me get to pray here's how i got right yeah no i there's a great story i'm i called jamal who was on my the list that he's the other guy next to me so what we played softball together so if i needed four ounces or nine he had his own thing going on he was a junior black mafia junior panther i don't know one of those things i don't know what it was but we didn't we didn't like i didn't buy for him you know but if he needed something or i needed something just you know it's like here take four ounces when you get yours back give it back to me that guy thing so i call him one day I was like, listen, I need four and a half ounces.

You know, trying to do, I don't know what the fuck I was doing. So he's like, all pick it up at the gym. So I said, okay, so back then I'm all juiced up. You know, I'm fucking in everything. We're playing softball. I'm both got stairways running through my veins. You know, I pick it up at the gym. I'm driving home.

And his gym was about 30 minutes from where I was living. And I'm driving on. So I have four ounces and I have 50,000 D ball in my truck, which are a dinabal. You know, the pink stop signs back then. Everybody was doing them. So they're in a zip lock. the gallon bags, like we used to call pound bags, and I have this Coke in the thing,

but it's in the back, and a duffel bag in the back of my, I was driving an explorer. So I'm driving down the road. Now, I've been doing this so long. I don't speed, all my paperwork's in order.

I check my taillights. I got back up to a building, you know, with a mirror, with a window to see to make sure with taillights all work. Right. So I was 100% like,

I overthaw everything. Yeah. And my father's an attorney, so I never, my driver record was perfect. I had a bunch of like, when I get a speed and ticket, like I was,

he'd get it downgraded to like hindering the ambulance or some some dumb shit no points but just like a fine so i'm i'm driving down this road back road and i see a cop in in the um the comcast building in our parking lot but i'm not speeding got on cruise control 50 mile an hour this cop pulls up behind me yeah no problem so at that time my my daughter's mother was dating a cop so i'm like he's breaking my dick right you know which because Because at this time, I've been doing so long, this is 2003. I've been selling drugs, 11, 12 years already. You know what I mean?

Like, I know you can't get my car. Right. All my paperwork's right. And I'm not nervous. Right. So. Even if he pulls you over, he's going to give you a ticket. You figure you don't have a certain much car.

You're not going to. You have no reason. So he pulls up behind me. He gets out. And then as I'm there, another car pulls up coming the other way on the other side of street. I was like, they're going to fucking Rodney King me. Right.

Like that's something they're going to break. They're going to beat my ass. Because this dude, Sean, or whatever fuck his name was, my daughter's, their boyfriend, he's mad, whatever. You know, so I'm like, fuck. So I keep my seatbelt on, you know. The cop, I give my license. He's like, how's your license? I said, it's perfect and clean.

So I give my license, registration, insurance. He walks back to his car. About five minutes later, he comes back and another car is behind him. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, I didn't do anything wrong. So he's like, um. It's never a good sign. No.

And, you know, now my assholes get a little tight. So he comes up to when he's like, um, you and your chemical enhanced arms or some shit, you know, like, I was like, oh, Jesus Christ. You know, I'm in a tank top and like gym basketball shorts. Right. So he's like, get out of the car. I'm not getting out of a fucking car.

For what? Like, you guys aren't fucking me up. And again, I wasn't thinking drugs because I was just complacent. I know you weren't in the back of my seat. So he's like, get out of the car. He reaches through the car and tries to pull me out of the window. And I'm not fitting through the fucking window. First of my head will very fit through the window.

You know what I mean? I put it in drive. I take off. Yeah. So you're dragging him? No, no, he let go. I put in, now I'm going to explore. Like, you know, the square explorers old school.

Yeah. And I'm driving. I don't fucking break this feeling. In my mind, there's a, there's a Malaga lake. It's about six miles from around. I'm going to the lake. I'm putting this shit in the lake. Right.

Like, I knew what I was doing. Every time I went and picked up, it's something, I knew my escape. Right. Where's going to go. So I'm driving down. They got, like, I put my blinker on at every stop street. I didn't. speed they have the road blocked off before the main road that drew 40 that goes to this lake i go around

and well now they shoot you ass but before like you know they're coming out they'll shoot you if you go try to go through a roadblock now they didn't i went around them stopped in stop street right and from put my blinker on waiting for traffic pulled out by this time there's 10 cars behind me and i drive by the police station or malaga police station and they're lined up in the parking lot like just i'm like fuck like i'm on this out but at that time i was so a dick. I'm on a phone ordering flowers for some chick. And I'm calling Michelle, who was my broker. Like, hey, Michelle, listen, I don't think I'm going to make it to work today. It's like, 10 o'clock. I don't think I'm making it to work. She's like, what are you going to

beach or something? I was like, I think I got a little problem. I got a little problem. I'll call you in a minute. So I had two phones, one for work, one for play. So I go, I see the lake. I turn my blinker on, pulling, pulling a parking lot, get out, jump in the water. Right. this nasty pond it was a pond like lily pads so i okay i was going to give the drugs so as i was driving though as you're going around the bend i'm through so the the coke was in like three the shopping bags you know like the plastic like the bodega bags it was like three of them plus a sandwich bag so i'm taking the other bag i'm throwing the bags out the window as a garment so the cops can't see them there's flying by them right so i have this i have the steroids in my shirt tucked in

and I have the Coke in my shirt. So I put everything in and tuck my pants as I'm getting out of the car, run into the water, they're all pulling up behind me. I get 50 yards into the water. I go down, I open my shirt up, empty, take the bags, empty them out, and then open the bag with the flow of the current

and send the bag down. Turn around, you guys got me. Right. You went. All right, I'm getting a looting charge or, you know, whatever. And at that time, I don't even know what eluding charges were. So they commit, I walk out of the world. They're long guns.

There's probably 50 cops out there. And the article was in the paper till it's funny. They got long guns. We're going to fucking shoot Jesse. You're not going to fucking shoot me. You guys win. Like, okay, you got me. Right.

And it's a little bumble fuck city. They arrest me. They, at that time, I got hair like you. Okay? They grab the top of my head. They hog tie me behind my back and put my legs up, okay, on a picnic bench. So they have my ankles tied and my hands tied behind my back. Right.

And these motherfuckers are pulling my hair up. empty interior gas, or pepper gas on me. I'm like, I'm going to die. This is, I'm going to say there's no cameras. No, there's nothing that nothing. That would never have like today. No, today, I've made 10 million. Yeah.

No, there's no cameras. And he's just, and he's just, he runs out of one can. He's like, give me another can. I'm like, okay. I was like, can you please call the paramedics? Because I'm going to die. All right. So finally, then they've got to pull me in a car.

They're carrying me in a car because my ankles are cuffed and my hands are cuffed. I get in the car. small like lily pads and mud like straight shit eyes I can't see fucking they take them to police stations I just went by they wash my face off they met it comes out like to the thing

they wash my face out the you know do all the eyewash they're charging me they're talking shit I'm like I'm bailing the fuck out of you guys didn't get shit you know like fuck you right you know so they go through my truck

I have two cell phones at the time they go through my truck they get my cell phones back they but they keep the truck so it's like probably three o'clock now on a i think it was a friday or thursday friday i think it was friday they say you have a half hour to bet your bail is 50,000 cash you have a half hour if you go to county jail they're not going to process you're staying a weekend do you want your phones back to call somebody i was like fuck yeah i'm not using your phones again what a fucking idiot think

about it why would you i take my phone why would they give my phones back yeah they want you to use their phone right so i called this chick yo i need 50 000 She brings her right over. So I walk out a half hour later. Like, is this choreographed with the FBI? Or they're doing this on their own? Well, I've come to find out after the fact. Well, let me get there and I'll tell you.

So I walk out. I take my phones, I want to phone. Take my phones. That's all. They keep everything else. So I go to my house. Let me clean my house up just in case. Because, you know, like something just doesn't feel right.

Right. So I have, I give her, clean my house out. I have a couple of bottles of steroids, a couple thousand, $5,000 there and a scale. because I have this, like, digital scale. Like, it was my baby, you know, big thing. So I left that in the house. A week later, okay? Mm-hmm.

I get rated. Right. Well, what happened was they shouldn't have pulled me over. They were in with the FBI listening. They hired those guys to listen to my phone calls. So they knew I was dirty coming down that road. So this sergeant was trying to be a hero and knock me off with these fucking, all this cocaine steroids.

when he shouldn't have. Right. He almost fucked the whole deal up. Right. So he knew what was going. They were just, had hard on that day. So that's how they got me.

That's the reason he pulled me over because one of his guys was listening to the phone calls for the feds. But that gave you the heads up to kind of clean up. So I clean my house up. But I never came in my house anyhow. Right. But I still. So again, so I get,

so a week later, 10 days later, whenever it was, I'm late on my bed. I got my kids are young then. I have three kids there. And I had Michelle living on the other side on the other side of my house. Michelle was my broker at the time she um I sold I had a buyer for her house

Michelle sell your house I'll build you another one right so you were you were and during this whole thing you're also doing stuff like I mean I understand you're doing you're doing a bunch of oh you got a bunch of other businesses you're doing other things but one of the things you were doing is real estate are you real estate I'm a licensed realtor license realtor yeah okay at that time at that time and the market was crazy back then like you couldn't house were going where year is this 2004 okay I mean it was insane that's when houses were on a market day and they're going for 30,000 over the first day.

Right. You know, it was insane market. So it was fun. You know, and that's what I was saying. They called Operation Dealbreaker because I was always on the phone making deals, too. So I, they, they, I hear them kick the, my dog barks. I hear my dog barking first. Then they kick in, I hear the door you kicked in, okay?

Then they throw a flash bomb through my bedroom window when I get rid of it. They know your kids are there? Yeah, they did if I was under 25, that's what's fucked up. Okay. So, but it's all part of the game. They take my kids out with long guns. fucking six four and three right they take michelle and her son out with long guns i'm like now if you're following me you know i'm not a violent dude you know like and i you've never heard

me talk about guns on the phone so what do you come in the house like that for you know um and that's kind of like the fucked up part like it's it's a whole show of force that you're you're powerless that you know we're in control that we run whatever we want to do even though the truth is if you asked any of those cops do if we knocked on the door do you think he would just turn around let us cuff him and take him oh yeah he's He'd come out peacefully. I would have, listen, because I didn't know what it was. I thought it was for a run-in still.

I thought, I thought this, because I ran, I thought they got a warrant to come to my house and see, like, what was you running for? Right. That was in my head. So I was always like, I never, I don't dress up like my father with a suits, but I always put them together, jeans, shirt, just sneak. You know, I'm not with the Walmart white T-shirt. And, you know, like, I'd never be seen like that out of my house.

Right. And so what do they do? They put some, like, fucked up sweatpants, an orange shirt or something, like, my hair. like my hair's all fucked up. They're taking pictures. I'm like, you motherfuckers. Like, but again, I don't know how bad this is. I hear, I hear a machine coming down the road.

It's a fucking backer. They're trying to dig up my backyard. Why? Because they think the money's buried back there. Okay. Okay. Is there a reason they think that? Somebody tell them that?

Somebody, yeah, somebody had said that he buries money, but they're so fucking stupid. What we were doing, we used to bury under the pine trees in the woods. When the weed would be done, we'd put it, we'd get, uh, totes bury it in under pine trees. trees covered up and that's how we keep our weeds. Right. But somebody said, we're barren much.

So he came in, I got a septic in the backyard or fucking tearing it up with tobacco. Of course. So the DEA puts me, or the FBI guy puts me in a car. He's like, yeah, listen, you want to talk? I was like, I got don't talk about. I was it plus, again, I'm thinking it's not a big deal. Right. Because you got nothing.

There's, I, you know, I ran, you got that, but you got no drugs. And again, I don't know the extent of this. So we go out, we pull out the end of my road and we make it right. And there's about a half mile down the road is Michelle's real estate office. And I'm looking at the real estate office and there's FBI's carrying computers and shit out. I'm like, ah, fuck.

This might be a little bigger than I thought. But I'm still not putting it all together. Because like I said, I've been doing the other shit for so long. I would think it'd be something else. I make a left to go to the staging area. I see the fucking news vans with the antennas up. You know, the red coiled antennas on the show.

I'm like, this for me? like what the fuck yeah for me we're here at the police station yeah this is a fire department oh okay this isn't a police station i'm like whoa oh shit make the corner see that i see all these motherfuckers sitting there like ah fuck this is not good and you didn't there was nothing that kind of gave you one time one cop one time you saw one cop and what happened was that you just i just played up because he's coming down around like it's kind of weird because he was on his back road. Like you thought that's a cop. I know it was a cop. He's in the fucking Ford Crown Victoria. Okay. And you know, younger guy, definitely fed or state,

state, you know, undercover, definitely. But like that, man, he's driving on the road. Right. Because at that time, listen, I played softball with a state police. And I'm doing 50, I'm selling 50 pounds of weed in the trunk. Right. You know, so. You felt very comfortable. I was too, I was way too comfortable. But, you know, in my, and to this day, even my life, emotions play such a part in people getting, making bad decisions that there's no emotion attached to this shit with me. So I was just like, what better place to do this

than with all the cops there? Who's going to think I'm selling 50 pounds? Right. You know, and I'm taking bets from these guys. You know, so I was doing, you know, I was in with everybody. So when I get there and they keep pulling these people in, and I mean, more and more people are coming in.

I mean, it's so it's about a hundred mile radius for all my co-defendants. It's 60-mile radius. I'm like, fuck. And that's- You seeing these guys coming in? Oh, yeah. We're in, they took the fire trucks out. And they had that was a staging area.

picnic tables everywhere you know everybody every news channel is there like it's crazy I'm like all this for some fucking drugs like what the fuck so they got me in the corner of course and they're making like a spectacle of me and they're bringing all my co-defendants I see they arrested Michelle who's like I said she's never seen a drug in her life

she's never seen anything she's the most innocent chick I heard of me like I told him if you grab her phone and type in like fuck you or shit you won't get it like she's that dry right like she's never ever seen any wrong. You know, she's just straight by the book. But they, of course, they charge her up with Kingpin, too, because they think she knows something about me. And she knew nothing. Right. But I was always on phone with her. We're tight, you know, that kind of thing. But I'm sitting there, they're playing. Do you remember when Acon came out with Locked Up? That song Locked Up? Do you remember?

Oh, I listen to Country. Okay. Okay. So he came out with a song Locked Up. They played that fucking thing for seven hours straight. Seven fucking hour straight. I'm in the, I'm in the reception area of this fire department and they're playing locked up all the on loop they're like yeah so you want to talk i was like no and as i'm watching them they probably took 5 000 fingerprints that's there's all digital no digital shit back then it's all the fucking and i'm sitting there and i'm like what the fuck they're saying and they're right in charges as i sit there they're fucking these pink sheets are coming or green sheets are coming out and i'm looking i'm like oh fuck okay here's another one and then but i'm such a dick still i'm like just telling my bail i'll be out tomorrow we'll

you know because at that time you don't think then so then so they separate us so they after everybody comes in like so it's about seven hours they take me to salem county jail i live in cumberland which is the neighboring county which is a federal holding facility and they take everybody else to cumberland or let them go whatever they did and one of my co-defendants was a prison guard at the time so they locked him up too right well this pussy is crying in the sale next I'm like, then, shut the fuck up. Don't be a pussy. You're fine.

You didn't do anything but buy some drugs. Like, dude, shut the fuck up. You might have transported an eight ball. You're not in trouble. I'm going to lose my job. Shut the fuck up. You know what I mean? Like, as we're talking through the vents.

Right. Then you're going to be, don't say a word. I'll get you out. We're good. Yeah. And then the story goes. So, I mean, when you saw your lawyer, when did you realize this is. So my lawyer, so I, so I, so I,

So after we went to the fired hall, they take me to Salem County. But they take me to reception of the jail. Well, I had known the officer there. Right. So I need a phone. I didn't get a phone call. Like, I got nothing. Like they didn't.

So I called my daughter's mom at the time. Like, yo, she's like, I already know it's all her news. Everybody knew. So my attorney saw it on news and came down at like four in the morning to the, and that's he's like, it's trumped up. Listen, we'll get you out because he does all this federal shit. You know, he's like, you're good. We'll get you out.

$500,000 cash only bail is insane. Like, you know, we got murders and it gets too, you know, so I was like, all right, get me to fuck out. I don't get me to fuck what it is. Get me out. He's like, just sit a few days. Right. I'm going to get a bail reduction.

You know how that works. We go to bail reduction and what do they say? Oh, not only we're not going to reduce your bail, but we're going to give you no contact with your co-defendants to. Well, these are people I talk to every fucking day. Right. Everybody they got is everybody in my life. So I got no contact with my co-defendants.

That was tough. Right. 15 days later, bailout. And that's just when everything started. That's when I'm starting to find out who's telling. Right. And who's not. They're putting in the paper that Keith Rosetti's telling on me.

Jamal's family comes to me and says, you got a dude telling. What are you going to do? What the fuck? What do you want me to do? Yeah, well, you know. So I was like, so I call my attorney and he said, I don't give a fuck what you do. You better drive around a fucking priest because if something happens to that dude, you got to keep him alive. Right.

Because if they want you, there's no reason they're putting a dude telling in the newspaper unless they want something to happen. Right. Yeah. I'm with this guy and I can't talk to him, but what do you do? You know, I'm like, you got to stay alive, bro. Like you, something has to happen. Like you have to, don't lay down to you because if not, I'm going to jail for a murder charge. Even if I don't do it.

Right. And that, you know. Well, I mean, I understand. You said you, you didn't talk to him. I didn't talk to him through. Oh, okay. Because at this time, I had paid for his attorney. So Keith, I had given $20,000 to go to my attorneys, another attorney in my firm I was using.

I didn't know that he took the money and paid some fucking clown $5,000 to negotiate a plea deal. Okay. Okay. You understand? So he took the money, negotiated, went to, you know, just an ambulance chase at $5,000. thousand dollar lawyer instead of my big big attorneys right and you know put put hooked up with the feds and everybody else so what what happened so at what point did you did you did you were you digging a hole where you're like so poor keith no so i i took newspaper his girlfriend worked at an grocery

store all right so i took i wrote on newspapers and gave i was like you got to tell this dude like he's got to be careful so nothing happened to him luckily you know you're saying like you were looking get out for him. Listen, I was going to prison. I was getting charged. No matter, I don't care if he, if his brakes went in his car, I was getting charged.

Like, it was 100%. I mean, my attorney's like, I've never seen them do this. You put in the front page of the Philadelphia Inquirer, Rosetti's testifying it. We're both out on bail. It's not like I'm in, you know,

in holding somewhere. Everybody's out. Everybody's out now. Like, who, why do you do that? So I'm smarter than, you know, in that aspect. Like, emotion. See how that's an availed.

threat saying, hey, you need to be careful. I do. I'm looking out for you, but I don't feel like this might mean something else. I got, is that I got to fucking kill him. Right. I mean, I want him to stay alive because I don't want to charge it. And I'm getting, I'm still at this time, I think I can win this case.

Right. So I'm like, everybody just chill. Like, we're okay. But, you know, I mean, like you said, it's just fucking, it goes bad. What happened with the Fed thing? Remember the Fed? So, yeah, so the, so when I got, the fed's and the state, police and the DEA raided me. Right. The state then went. So I got charged initially. I was

getting charged by the fed. So I, the feds came. They're the ones that scooped me up. They're the ones that run in the car with them. It drove me to the place, the whole thing. When I was in in Salem County, they went to court. The state went to court against the feds in a late night thing. And they sued the feds to get my case because they could charge me in a kingpin. They had kingpin charge against me. Fed's its 10 year, powder cocaine is a 10 year max. Kingpin in the state is 25 the life. Okay. So the state's case was, we've been watching this kid since high school.

He's now 30 fucking years old. Right. We got a lot of money invested. You guys only watched it for 18 months. You know, granted it was 24 hours surveillance for 18 months. So the judge actually granted my case to go back to the state with just more time. The first, my first offer from the state was 80 with a 40. for what does that mean 80 years with a 40 year minimum so you could be out in 40

40 years yeah who the fuck's gonna do i'm out fuck you 80 i'm like so i'm like i'm like my attorney's name was mike in time mike and sky i was like mike are you fucking insane fuck no if you you come up it was reasonable it's a reasonable he's like well i got to present everything i said guess what don't fucking call me again you're getting a fucking quarter million get the fuck out of here so at that time i i wanted Listen, I knew I was guilty. You know, what they wanted for me. I got pulled over a few times while I was out on bail.

I got pulled over once. They followed me. I pull up and my father was, they still had pay phones back then in the 90s. Because I get it dead. The fucking Chevy Malibu was following me. And then all of a sudden, they jump over the curbs, fucking cars. They arrest me again for tamper on evidence.

Okay. I'm like, what the fuck? I was out on bail. Right. They gave me a fourth degree charge. They take me to the state police barracks. They gave me a fourth degree charge. evidence, because I called my girl.

When I got in trouble, I said, yo, delete my email. Right. Yeah. That's not good. Yeah, but see, I did it on purpose. So I had hush mail back then. I don't know if you know, so it's the one that you can't. So I called her and said, delete my, here's my password.

So when you, when you had hush mail, after you five times, your account automatic deletes, I gave it the wrong password on purpose on the phone because I didn't want anybody getting it. But they still charged me with tamper with evidence, but I didn't want them. So I bought more steroids online. through email. I didn't want them getting any. I was trying to protect

everybody else I could from coming in this fucking spider web. Right. So I was like, Jeanette, go on my email. Here's my thing. And here's my username and login. I gave her long long.

So I knew they're listening. So they're trying to get in. She probably, after five attempts, the whole account just disappears. Okay. So that's why I did that. So that, they're deleting it. So they delete it.

They couldn't get in and they delete it. So I got fourth degree, $25,000 bail for a fourth degree charge. So what they're doing now is They're trying to take whatever money I've left. They're trying to just bankrupt me. Right. So I can't fight this case.

And that's kind of where, like, the bullshit started. I got pulled over one time, coming back from the gym about two. I saw that time I was in jail for, I was locked up for three days, but I bailed out, $25,000. Thanksgiving Eve. I'm still working. I'm working in a bar in Philadelphia. Now, remember, I had no contact with my co-defendants. Jamal walks in my bar.

He shakes my hands. This is Thanksgiving. I mean, he's fucking, everybody's out partying, you know, and I was like, hey, what's up? You know, I didn't go see him. He came in. Right. You know, I said, yo, he said, we're good.

He said, we're good. The whole thing, you know. I'm driving home. So I was a motherfucker back. I saw a motherfucker. But so this girl was coming over to my house. Now, I had a condo in Philly on the water, and she drove a Honda Accord. So I was like, I don't want you parking a piece of shit in my condo.

I'll come get you after work. So, like, one third in the morning, I go from Philadelphia and New Jersey, go pick her up. They pull me over. They searched my car for three, four hours. This was after Jamal's one because he told them or somebody told them that we made a deal. So they thought they were going to get me with a couple keys then. Right.

Three days later, fed the bail bondsman comes. The state comes. They locked me up for talking to Jamal. Right. For my no contact. I had no fucking, and it wasn't even me. He came to me. Yeah.

But so then I stay in, I stay back in a county again from a couple of these Thanksgiving to after Christmas. Weren't you able to go in front of the judge and say, Your Honor, I was up my job? And the guy came by and he fucking said, hi. What am I supposed to do to run? It took 30-something days to get out on that. It doesn't, they don't move fast. Right. And again, they're trying to break me because they know now I'm not folding.

You know, like, and even like the thing you say, like he just, I didn't cooperate. Listen, I did it. Whatever you want to do, I did it. Right. Who am I telling them? You know, it doesn't matter. Listen, whatever you do, I don't care. But this is, this is what I do.

This is what I'm old school still. And it still, I didn't know. the, the, all the people that were actually telling at that time, you know. And I think I was a little naive. You're still thinking there's a street code and they're all stand up. Right. We're all going to go to court and fight this. Right.

A 30-something code puns. Yeah. Well, that took a shit. You know what I mean? The one girl that probably should have told was Michelle, she didn't. Right. My daughter's mom, they gave her a script to read and she read the shit on, on paper. Like, oh, yeah, he had black trash bags for all the cash around the house.

No, bitch. They're not black trash bags. They're black fucking grocery bags. Then we put, you know, you put 10 or 12,000, 15,000, you know, like just a little bodega bags. Right, right. Not black store, you know, like they're the black contractor bags. Yeah. That's what they have.

They had, you know, people saying shit. I was like, I've never even seen that. The girl I was living with at the time. So I lived, the house I had Michelle was in when we got raided. I stayed there once a while, but I was living with another girl in Washington Township, which is 30 minutes away. They raided there too. And what they did there, they got her. Now, she was a school teacher.

So she would, they had the phone calls. She would have like, hey, can you, can I have a hundred piece for my friends? You know, like they're teachers. You know, fuck, they don't have your money. She's, you know, she's selling her other teachers, like a hundred bags. Not a lot, but here and there, one or two, you know, whatever. What do they do? They get her to say shit about me.

That wasn't even true. Right. Oh, yeah. I saw a Kleenex box full, you know, size of cocaine in the house he had here. No, you fucking didn't. You didn't. But they had her do that. Right.

So they didn't play fair at. all they just don't play the game aware yeah um just say i'm not gonna sit here and listen to you talk about about the federal government um so uh so what i mean at what point like your lawyers come into you like you're you're you're it's funny because typically you don't want it to go federal you know what i'm saying right like you're desperate for it not to in this case and there's only a few instances like an and few states that are kind of like that like in florida has such a harsh well used to have such a harsh

penalties for for like oxycodone and you know opiates and stuff at one time where you would rather it go federal because they were more laxed right you know on first time kind of offender they had a mandatory

minimum and the way they were calculating it was all fucked up yeah the sliding scale they take all your charge thing I like that it was good I mean yeah so sometimes it works for you sometimes it worked for you and this one but at what point do you are are you realizing, like, I can't go to trial? So I think that came that, actually I know when that came.

So I'm sitting home and I have to go to the attorneys office next morning. And they brought 40 or 60 file boxes of just phone calls that have to go over. They have 18,000 hours of phone calls. And my attorney's like, if we go to trial, everyone has to go over. And you have to get all these people.

now what they also did because the phones were tapped and they had a roving warrant on my phone everybody I talked to they sent a letter to like your phone calls listened to right so I was all right like and listen and then I was like fucked up so I'm like and he said I said you know I think we can win

but at what cost and he said it's not going to be five or six years we're not going to get the trial for five or six years with all this evidence and that we have to go through and you got to fix because you know they're they're taking email chains and charging me for steroids of so if I ordered $5,000 for steroids this guy and there was a 20 chain every five they were doing it 20 times because even though it's the

same email and I was answering them every time email come they charged me the same one he's like it's a lot he said I said give me a good offer he's like 80 with 40 is what they gave you I said I'm not doing that like get the fuck out of here I might as well get a trial I might as well run listen what trial is life which is 25 years and then you get you know you not you're going to go home on 25 but you got you got to do 25 minutes 30 years old 40 years might as well it feels like it's honestly at that point in your life you can't see the difference between life and 40 no that's 70 something fucking years old I might be dead yeah I'm not doing it so we're going back and forth I remember I was at Capitol I was at Capitilla Park um in Philly he calls

me obviously I got a deal you got to think about it so what is it he says 20 with a five year step you got to do five years now I'm about nine months is my raid was about nine months before this, eight months. Because I wanted to get it over with. Listen, you won. I fucked up. You caught me. It was a good run. Game time. And I'm not mad at any of these dudes. Like, that's their job. Their job is catching me. My job is not to get caught. Right. So I was like, explaining to me. Because I didn't understand the five. You know, like I did, but I did. You probably heard 25. I heard, well, I heard 20. Oh, 20. I heard. It would a five. And then they wanted five consecutive. So I had lead or organized crime. So they took, I had to RICO act. Right.

with the feds they gave me RICO and kingpin so the state took it to leader of organized crime and first degree drug charge so that's how they changed it kind of manipulated so to give me the deal of 20 with a five and I sat there I was like fuck it do it fuck it I can be out in five years I'm 30 years I'm young you know right um my kids are young and fuck just if I can get over with I didn't understand and I wouldn't take this deal today I honestly think I could have got a much better deal if I would have waited them out. But I wanted to get over. I wanted to get over with.

So I was just like, because I'm going to come home and be all right. I had that mentality. But I think that if I would have understood like the back end number. So the five years doesn't mean you're getting in five years. It means you have to do five years before you can get anything. Right. In 20 years, you think, well, it's going to come down. It's really 13 years, eight months.

They could have had me. So I could have done 13 years and change if I, if I, you know, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, I don't get out on my five years. Right. I don't think that's a good deal now, but I didn't understand that. So, and there's no consultant back then to say, hey, listen, this is the deal explained to when it was. If it was, if I had a consultant.

You'll say the consultant is basically your attorney who really wants you to take the deal so he can maximize his profit. Maximize profit and I'm out of the way. Yeah. Okay. Well, come to find that. So I call them, take the deal. Take the deal.

They keep a couple hundred thousand, whatever it was, 250,000, 200, I don't know, some number they found, whatever. whatever um it took some jewelry a car you know some shit fucking just do it so i go i go to sentencing okay and that's when i was explained earlier they wanted me to tell my dad they want to change my deal the day i'm going to sentencing they say you testify against your father and you'll get a year right what is this with with your dad like at what point did he get so my father's a local attorney. Right. And from what I understand now is that he was fucking a prosecutor's wife. Okay. So I kind of was a target. You think as a result of that? I think partially that's

what got them a hard on for me as bad because I wasn't flashy. I wasn't doing, you know, back then. I wasn't. So, and again, listen, my father was at that time 50. What's he going doing in prison? I'm going to fuck. How about it? So I go in. So Rosetti goes in front of me, you know, sentencing day. He gets taken out. I'm the last one to get, you know, do sentencing. They walk me down the hall. What did they do? They put me in the same room as there was Eddie holding cell.

Right. The dude just told him he got me 20 fucking years. And I put you the hole in the cell. Are they hoping you attack him? What do you think they're hoping? 100%. They want the average person,

not that I'm not average, but the average person, what are you going to do? Your emotion is going to take the best of you and you're going to fucking, you're going to do him there. What else you're going to do? I got 20 year sentence.

But I'm like, I had paid prior. I knew the guy that was running the jail. So I got a bag in there of clothes Because at that time you wear your own clothes And like what you wore in Off the street you could have So I soap wet pants A couple of T-shirts

So they get comfortable brother That's all I did That's all I said to him So they set it up There's no reason he should ever been in myself Right But they wanted they said they want They weren't happy

That 20 or 5 wasn't their plan They said he's gonna fuck up We're gonna get him again And then we're really gonna fucking throw him You know he's under jail so had they already pulled you into the room about your dad that was prior so before i even got sentenced so we didn't we didn't really go we went over it before but what would they say to you so yeah so i was walking to sentencing with my attorney and the assistant ADA and the prosecutor were

in the room and so there's two double doors there's a double door and there's a little like foyer and then you walk into the courtroom and they said uh you're ready to make a deal yet and i said i got my deal you know that kind whatever i said and they said no we need you to we want you to say your father is messing with the escrow and he's doing things wrong, illegal. And it's saying, he said, we can offer you a 364 if you do that. And they had a piece of paper.

All you got to do is read this. Read this statement on tape and we'll give you 364 right now. So fucking underhanded. So three, by the way, Colby. Oh, wait, 364, why not? Because if you go 365 of your prison, you automatically get your county.

No, you stay in the county for 360. 365, you got to go to prison. You got to go to jail for 365. I'd rather go to prison. fuck yeah but for a year yeah you never get comfortable in jail either usually it's like they'll say like three you know 300 you know a year and a day because then you automatically get in the feds you automatically get your your your game time so you're not going to do a year and a day you're going to do 10 months maybe not and there so in jersey the your your county time doesn't count for your state

time get out of here so I paid even to get I paid the guy that does it does the transport a couple thousand dollars before I went to prison where I knew everything was situated he gave me 45 days So I'm like, I don't want to sit in a fucking county. Yeah. So I gave a couple thousand. So I was out of the county in seven, 10 days because some people sitting there a year, they don't start their good time. You know, they're day for day there.

I mean, it's different. So for my six, four, just stay in the county for a year and I've been home in a year. Right. And you said, I don't know anything about it. I said, I don't. I mean, listen, the fucking way to do. Right. I mean, like you said, I keep saying average, but there's no, even though my dad's a dick,

I wouldn't do it to him. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, there's, there's something there. you gotta watch you're banging um yeah well that's for sure he's listen my father making bad decisions oh listen his dick thought way a lot his whole is i wouldn't he sit on his chair his he had a leather couch in his office there was so much fucking dana in there i wouldn't he sit on like everybody know like it was a joke like but that's what they did you know

you're you're you're good-looking attorney you're fucking banging dirty whores he'd been married five times oh the fuck you know like and each each wife was getting younger you know his last wife was younger in me i'm like i i guess i know um So, all right, so you're in there with Rosetti. Okay, with Rosetti. And they call you into sentencing? No, so we were in sentencing first. So you go in front of the judge.

Oh, you already got sentenced and then they put you in the room? Yeah, they put after sentencing. So I'll start my time has started. It's fine. Yeah, still charged and I don't know if I would have stopped. You know, a beat up, you know, like, yeah. And so my focus was immediately, before I went there, was like, I'm getting out in five. Like I got to do because there's nothing worth it if I'm not out in five.

Yeah. Because the unknown back end is the only thing I stressed about while I was in there. If you look me up, if you Google, there's a picture of me with my thumbs up. Like, I'm going to be all right. You know, that was the biggest thing is I'm the caretaker of people. Like, you know, like I protect them. So when everybody's out of the crime, listen, don't worry about me. Worry about you.

Because I'm worried about you. I know I'll be okay. And that was probably the hardest thing about going in is that, you know, I'm leaving these people out there that I took care of for a long time. Right. You know, not necessarily monetarily, but just in general. You know, I was that dude, they get something wrong. They call me.

We try to fix it, that kind of thing. Right. So you sit in county for a little bit. You go to prison. I go to recess, Kraft, which is central reception. Right. And it's in Trenton. So it didn't feel real at first.

I mean, I'm sure you understand. Like it didn't, it doesn't hit. Yeah, yeah. It's very surreal. It's very, you're like, it's almost like a dreamscape kind of thing. And in the counties, you know, I knew everybody. So we were good there. I mean, it's still fucking boring as fuck.

I'm a mover, you know, but so I get, they take, they take me to craft, which is in Trent, it's central reception of something. I don't know what the fuck it is now. And it's cold. And this is when it gets real. So they took me in a van for some, because I had an organized crime trust, wherever the fuck it is. I don't get on the bus.

I go on a van with cars behind me front and a helicopter over top. It's an hour. You're going to escape. Yes. It's an hour ride on the bus. It took four hours, all these back roads they took. I never ran once Right

The fuck And you're out on bond If I was gonna run I would have run When I was Yeah And now I know what I'm getting I already got it

Right What do you think I'm a blow to fucking Like it's so stupid Right But it was part of the show For the newspaper And you know

Like they Like you said They had the interviews And they had the boards up Like you know It was a big deal It's wall of shit You know

Oh shit So it's all It's all for games Which is fine So you get the craft And there's lined up There's probably 150 people

I don't know what it is And they say, take your clothes off. So it's on the third floor where you had to walk up. We're dick the ass, butt-ass naked in fucking 20-degree weather in the stairwell. Yeah. Waiting to go into the shower where they shot you in the bug juice. Right. The light stuff that fucking stunk.

And then they gave you a paper suit to sit in for three days. You cold his face. They spray you down. They bend overspread. Yeah. No, but they did it. they did like 20 people in the room probably a 20 by 20 shower with a fucking fire hose and they just bend over everybody bend over and fuck spread your ass cheeks so that's that's

like shawshank and shawshank when they yeah that and so that was kind of like man what the fuck did I do so if I ever started questioning it that's what it was like damn what the fuck like this shit is not okay yeah yeah it's inhumane it if you definitely start to feel like an animal but that's the problem because they do that to you I think that's you have an attitude with the cops, especially when you don't know they're talking. I'm like,

oh, man, you wouldn't talk to me like that. Like, if we're at the bar right now, you'd be cool as fuck. Right. But now you're in here telling what the fuck to do

and you think you're like, so I think that's what part of the problem in the prison, the whole system is. You know, they have this fucking shit where they're gods. Right.

But that's when, so after that, the three days, all you want to do is like right home. You want to do like all this shit. Now you're thinking all the thing. Now you become from a hard guy to like a big pussy.

Yeah. I miss my kids. I love you so much. Yeah. You're like, you know, so that was the real part. But then, so I went in to Kraft. I was probably 310 pounds. I was jacked up. I took on the way that nine months, I was doing every fucking steroid I could. What do you weigh now? I'm 270, but I'm like 23% by it. I was 15 or 18 at 16%. So I was just, you know, when I was in the county, like, damn, how long you've been down? Like I was, you know. I was like, no, I just came down and that's the dude, it told on me. You know. So I'm in craft and there's rows of 20 cells, just individual cells. TV's on each end. I'm in the middle and you're getting 1,200 calories a day. Right. I'm eating fucking 5,000. I'm losing a pound a day sitting there doing nothing for 24. Like, you can't watch TV.

Yeah. That's when mentally. No, there's nothing. They don't, there's no commissary. There's nothing. So you're like, holy fuck. Like, God damn. So I'm like, who can I pay off?

Like, my thing is. I want to get to the front cell I want to at least by TV but then they're watching soap operas all day and they left the window opened and froze your dick off all day because the cops just assholes so they had a

they called a cereal on the bars so you went to in craft you went in front of a board and so they would put you in a prison tell you what prison you're going to you ask about your family you know the whole thing I live here

I worked here this is my area because they do attempt to make it easy for your family to see you. Right. So I get, I get, um, I get assigned to Leesburg, you know, state prison. It's, which is probably 20 minutes from my house. There's in my county, there's three or four prisons. So it's like it went from a glass factory town to a prison town. Right. You know, it's all prisons. So I go in there and I'm like, all right, listen, I know, I know the sergeants. They're like, I know all these guys. And I was taking bets and doing loans too.

So I had these dudes like, I know a lot of dudes in there. So I didn't, I didn't say, I didn't cooperate at all. Right. So with that, I protected some of these motherfuckers. They were, like, you still have your job because of me, motherfucker. Like, you know, they have your voice. They have your voice. And I wouldn't say it was you.

Right. You still have a job. So, like, I expect to be taken care of some nature. Right. I'm there. I get, so I get right to the gym right at that, right away. They, like, you know, everybody's cool. All the dudes are cool.

You know, all the inmates are cool. They've been watching the newspaper. But, you know, when you put a newspaper that much, they're like, oh, I saw you, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, you almost have like a celebrity status. Yes. So I'm walking around. I'm still jacked up pretty. I'm still pretty big.

I'm in a gym. I get a call to the captain. He's like, you're out of here. What the fuck? I just got here. He's like, you know more people here than I do. I'm not comfortable with you here.

He said, we're sending you to Southwoods. I was like, okay. Now, Southwoods is in my town, right there. All right. I know I'm good. Now, there was a big case at Southwoods because there was 70 phone calls that the prosecution wanted me to to go with and tell them who it was either taking bets or giving loans so why would they send you there well i don't think in in house they didn't know prosecution knew but i don't think the

doj know right or do c so i get there they pull me up in the van i'm getting ready to get out i'm like dude i'm right here and britch i'm fucking five minutes from my house fucking lieutenant comes out you're not coming here my man what the fuck he's like you want to talk about my my officers that were calling you i was like I don't think. I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. You're going to Riverfront.

So Riverfront's in Camden. How far is that from you? 35 minutes, but it's a lifer prison. I was going to say they can't seem to get you very far. No. So, but it's a life. So because I had such a big back number, I couldn't go. I had medium to max security because of my 20 year sentence.

Even though I had a five-year stip, I couldn't get status until you're halfway through your step. So you take me to a lifer prison. So this is when it starts getting interesting. So I get, I was going to say, well, I, okay. All right. Yeah. What?

No, I was just thinking, well, the, well, I don't understand why they would send you there. I mean, you, you know, it's out and holding on the county. The three count, the three. No, I understand that those, they're saying, no, too many guards. No, you know too many people, no people put, but they put you there. Does that put you in, not, not, but you're not in danger. No.

You're not. I was never worried about that. My size. No. You can't put me there. No, they probably, no, and the thing, they know that. Like, but it was a, so it was a lifer facility and it was also a lot of, there was a rabbi back then. They killed his, got hired someone to kill his wife.

I don't remember what his name was, Leon something. But he was, so, but it was either child molesters or lifers, murders. So it was a weird combination. Yeah, that is a weird combination. But. It's a dangerous combination. Well, because the, the, the child molesters, and they, they. ran the prison because they told the cops everything.

Right. So they were protected. So I get there half, and you know, I'm not that dumb. I'm half dumb, but I'm smarting some of the inmates. So I get a job as a teacher's aide. Now, so, um, there's three units there. And I came from football. Like I took bets.

You know, besides selling drugs, I was a book. I love being the house. Right. I mean, that's, you don't lose. And when you do lose, you win the next week. So as you start running a football pool, the pick pools, like the four picks for a pack of Newport. So I have that going on. I get a job as a teacher's aide, you know, because I can read and write.

So I'm teaching these guys how to do it. The bar is low. Yeah, it's very low, yeah. And I get a job as a teacher and I have a civilian school teacher comes in every day. You know, we're cool. You know, and not, I'm different, but I was, you know, she could talk to me. Like there was, you know, we could have a conversation that wasn't like. Yeah, yeah.

dealing with the knuckleheads, yeah. And so, you know how inmates are? Everybody's jealous. Right. So, everybody says you're fucking her. So I'm there probably nine or ten months. Fucking internal affairs runs down. Fucking not for the football tickets.

I got run down a few times for that and they never got me. But they're saying, okay, they put me in lockup. Tell me your fucking this teacher. We have your DNA on table saying, no, you don't. Not that table. I'm not they walk around cuffs wow this is just on the word of a bunch of inmates that are jealous as I'm watching through the lockup window I'm watching her get locked out so now they're pressing me hard you know I was like I didn't she didn't do anything like no she wouldn't give me a fucking

pen you know because you know those rubber pens it bend if you're hanging gets hot you can't you write with them like you know like a big pen was worth a lot back then right you know like something you can write with I said she didn't give me that you know and so they leave me lock up 72 days, which is long. Yeah, they're trying to soften you up. I mean, I'm starting to count the, I'm counting the dots in the cinder blocks because I got none to do. Like around day 50, I start talking to the toilet.

All right. Just because, I mean, that is mental. I've never ever thought about, like, hurt myself, like, because I'm coming home. Like, I'd rather, fuck kill myself. That's too easy. Right. I'm going to do good and make you all fucking nuts. So, but I'm like, 50, fuck.

So I get a letter out to Rick, my stepdad. Like, I don't know how much longer I can do this. Right. He hires a good attorney just to get me out of there. Right. So they come to me and say, we're sending it to Northern State Prison. Well, Northern State Prison is one of the worst prisons, probably on the East Coast, but probably in the country.

Like, if you type in Northern State, a guy had a phone in there, like video on this. Like, it's bad. People died every day. So how long have you been locked up at this point? It's only less than, oh, is it two years? It hasn't. So it was nine, close to two years. Oh, okay.

I thought this was in for like... No, because I was nine months in about job, then did it. So nine, ten, year and a half. Okay. So, Northern State. So nobody wants to go to Northern State. Even the cops don't want to work in Northern State. Right.

You know, like, it's a fucked up jail. You know, somebody dies every day. Right. Somebody fuck. So, I'm a little nervous. Like, I'm a big dude, but I'm so like, you know, fuck. You know, because I'm not into gang. Yeah, the conditions are so bad.

It's not necessarily in Newark. Which is a shit hole of a city, Newark, Newark, New Jersey. I just fuck a shill hole. And it's all. bloods so no work is run by bloods and all the prison guards are bloods and you know so and my big thing in prison was like all these gangs get together run the fucking jail instead of killing each other the blood the different sets of the gangs get together you can run to jail and keep it calm right and get anything we want but they don't think like that like I think you know that's what I

think so I get so I'm in the back of the truck I we stop it um in Trenton which was uh Rocky or the Silverstone had movie I forget it was and that was kind of kind of scary because like you shit in the wall like when they put me in the holding cell there to go the next day to go to no work there's holes in the wall and that's the toilet like it's the toilets are in the wall it's a mental facility before it's fucking weird and the ceiling's only six foot I'm six to six three fucking like I'm like but it's a prison where they live by the code of us against them right which I like you know because listen I have no problem talking to the cops like yo be cool but I also like don't want you tell them this person that kind of thing you know right so they live

because they're all long time like 100 years sentences at this prison but then so I'm just only there a day but I'm gonna talk to a couple guys so then we get back on a truck in a van and we're headed to Northern State prison which is where I you know they sent me because I wouldn't tell they sent me the worst prison in the right in the state so I'm like I don't want to go here what happens to the teacher she just they lost her job and she got carted off I haven't heard anything from her at that time. But I know she lost her job. Well, that's just because they said that.

And what's so fucked up is that, you know, like, that's all it takes is a couple inmates saying, and in, you know, out here it wouldn't take that. Correct. But in prison, that's how it is. It's like three people say, oh, no, bro, I'm telling you. That's what's happening. So-and-so told me or I heard him. No, he said, I walked in.

I walked in on him one time. And, you know, and next thing you know, they're like, oh, it's got to be true. Like, they're like, they try to get me like, oh, there's DNA on the desk. Shut the fuck up. You know, the idiots, but they're clowns. Right. The internal affairs, I'm sure they, you know, they just want, they just want to, you know, bang their chest and be assholes. Yeah.

But so I'm on the back and I'm like, I'm not going to northern. Like, so now I'm, like I said, probably, you know, close to years in, but, and I don't want to fuck my sentence up. So I got, I just got out of this. I didn't get charged for anything. Still no charges, you know, running a football ticket. I've been, you know, out of trouble. I'm like, man, I just got to walk in this motherfucker and punch a dude in the face. I'm going to walk in and punch the biggest blood I see in the face.

because what happens is you know how does they separate you well if I punch a blood especially like a leader or a Crip or whatever it is they're going to get me out of jail for my safety yeah you got to sit in the shoe for a while yeah that's okay but I'm not going to be in Northern for next three years my life you know because it's just not good so we go to reception in you know at Northern and this is my idea like I just don't want to be here because they said I'm going to die here probably as it you know even on a big white boy this is just a rough fucking jail and I walk in reception and the under boss of the Philly mobs in there. And I know him. Right. And he's got another

couple guys in New York. He's like, Dev, come on over. Oh, fuck. My life just got good. All right. Northern States good now. You know, because we, listen, they had a lot of respect there. You know, I knew the guy for a long time. So, and he was at Riverfront. He got shipped from Riverfront to there, too. And I didn't know where he went because something had happened. So we're together probably like two, three weeks. And the Fed's call. And they get us moved. because they said we're going to escape because there was a window and a train track

through the fucking prison at Northern. Okay. Who the fuck's going to see? I'm not trying to escape, but they had this big escape thing. So they put me in gang unit at Northern,

where there's cages around each table. It's cages and it's 23 and 1 and either you shower or goes to the yard. However, the good thing about Northern State is I had a cell phone every week. They're all fucking crudy. I mean, every cop in that.

bitch is crooked right you know so they put me in gang unit I'm like why am I in gang unit I'm not affiliate any gangs but they got over because I had a leader of organized crime charge so that's how they got in this thing right so it's locked so I shower for next two years with my boots on every every you know because you're not getting me barefooted like and that's where you see the most people get the most damage done is the showers right and you're shower 20 fucking guys so I shower boots on her next two years so I got the men unit It's like, this is horrible. Yeah, that sucked.

Yeah. It's 23 and 1. Like I said, I always chose a shower, get on the phone real quick. But because we always had self. So every visit, after every visit, no, let's go back. My stepfather, I was telling you, Rick. My mother and my stepfather came up almost every weekend. My stepfather never missed the weekend.

I mean, so he was two and a half hours, three hours away. He came every weekend. That says, you know, like my boy. Like he, I saw my father five times when I was in prison. I call him. Yeah. But he's like, you know, you'll be all right. This motherfucker.

My father's such a motherfucker That he took a life insurance policy out when I went to prison Wow Yeah and then he's screwed though I know this is a great idea Hey listen let's take this 200,000 I mean he's fucking stabbed in prison It'll help cushion the blow

So but that's just you know So then I come home with my dad is not off subject But he's like you gotta go get a physical for my health My life insurance insurance like the fuck He's like oh yeah I got a life insurance policy And so I had to go get a physical I came home to make sure he kept his life The life insurance policy actor

So I get, so we get out of, I get to, we get out of, I get out of gang unit and I got a year and a half left. Yeah. So I'm, yeah, year by year and a half and I go to men unit, which is now work unit. Now, these motherfuckers that are in there, they never worked a day in their life. And they're crying if they don't go to work. I'm sure you know what it was like. Yeah, yeah. Well, it gets you out of it.

It gets you out. It gets you out. You get to do something. But they didn't want to do it. They were sitting on a couch for fucking 72 hours straight. Now of a sudden they want to get out, which is fine, whatever. So I get a job at Totowa, which is the mental health facility, but it was off, off campus. So they drove it was like 20 minutes.

I had this cool-ass cop. And he called Johnny USA, absolute fucking animal. Just burn out, didn't give a fuck. You know, he was just, and I was his number one guy. Right. So he'd bring me food. I mean, he was just awesome. So then he retires and somebody takes a spot and this motherfucker don't like me.

Right. Right. At all. And there's no real reason besides I was white. And, you know, he was from the area. I was getting too much attention. I'm from down there. You know, like, I was cool with the guys,

and he's like, fuck you. You're in the back. Okay. So, but now I'm getting nervous because I got the halfway house in a year. You can go to a halfway house with a year left. Right. But nine months, with nine months left, you got to go in front of parole board for my five years up.

So, you know, four years in a couple months, I go in front of parole to find out of him getting out. Right. Well, I'm real close. Now I got this cop that's on my dick. Just be, for no real reason. difference of opinion you know and I'm nervous like this dude's going he one set up yeah five years going to eight years so I kind of fall in line with him and not like I wanted to

fight him a lot you know like I would think like I'm going to get this motherfucker you know to this day I still think I see him my words you know I'm now I'm gonna laugh at him but I mean it's just like you know so I get I get by but he puts me like in the back of the van like fucking throwing up motion sick every day he didn't give a fuck all right you know I had all this shit jobs but I just took it because that's you know what are you going to do they yeah you know well I was just say if you don't get parole it's three more years so so here's so what happens so I get to the halfway house oh so you did so yeah so I'm in men so from men unit in nor I go to halfway house in bridgeton so you go to you go to like a reception area for a month I think and then you go to the

halfway house so and then from the halfway house when you go to your parole hearing so you have to a minimum of 18 months left on your sentence to before your, before your numbers up to get the halfway house. But I was a year because I had such a big back number. So with that nine months in, it's when you go to parole. But the first, you're in the halfway house,

the first year. So now I'm touching like air. Like, you know, I got a job. And they, you know, so the halfway house takes half your paycheck.

Yeah. Yeah. So I get a job with my buddy's a realtor. He owns a real estate office. So I need to be your secretary. Right. Yeah. So you got to take the bus, the whole thing.

So I also had a child support order against me. So I made $300 a week, whatever, at the thing. Right. But I paid $180 of child support. So I had $120 left. Well, the halfway outside to leave you with a minimum in your paycheck. So they couldn't take anything. They didn't take anything.

The whole fucking time. So I could just lay off my balls off, you know. So anyway, so I'm in three months. And I'm working. I'm starting to go home one day, a weekend. You know, just, and so the most stress of my prison sentence was the halfway house because now I'm on the street again, taking a bus. I don't want to go back to prison. And I'm fucking, but I'm nervous now because it's nine months my halfway, my parole hearing's coming up.

I was going to say that that's the halfway house. Like, it's the same thing. I would have rather done my time in prison and just walked out. If I didn't need the money, because I had nothing to come out to. Right. So I had to go to the halfway house for six or seven months. Okay. So I could work.

But if not, I would have been like, no, I'll just stay here. Yeah, see, I was totally the opposite. I wanted to get the fuck out of that shit hole. But I was set up. You know, like I didn't, I had a good support. Yeah, yeah, I didn't have any of that. And, and. Because the halfway house is super stressful.

It's worth the prison. Oh, it's a hundred times worse than prison because you, once you get that little bit of freedom, you don't want to go back to it. And anything can happen. You know, you're sleeping in dorms. I never slept. You know, I was, listen, I was offering $10,000 if I get my own cell. Right.

Like, because, you know, you're sitting there. I got fucking some bunkeys with two toes hanging off the top and shit. I'm like, what the fuck. Yeah. I got other guys touching my pictures. I got fucking, you know, I'm like, I want to, I just need to be alone. Like, you know, like, but suddenly you go to the halfway house and you're like, now you're in with 50 guys and bunks, they're all doing the same shit.

So anything to go wrong. And they said, I got my nine months. So I got my eye on the prize. And so they take 15 and 20 to go to parole, the hearing. Well, prole's never good. And I don't know enough. I mean, I tried to learn as much as I could about it. But, you know, prior you talked to the psych, you know, and it's like, so the same.

So the same site that when I went to prison, they evaluate you. Like, did you go through that too when you first went down? I mean, no, I did, I saw, you know, but they really have you fill out paperwork. Like they have a, it's like a hundred, maybe 200 word questionnaire. And I did see a psychiatrist before I left multiple times, but because I was in an ARDAP program for, it's like a drug, residential drug program. And so you have to see a psychiatrist all the time. I did see a psychiatrist when I was in when I got out of you win the program the drug program?

Yeah. I because when I was locked up the guys before I saw the, you know, the the pre-sentence report comes out, right? You said some. Yeah, I said I said I was addicted to opiates. Like I had to have guys described to me what to say exactly. Like it was I was almost because I had no clue what it was. Yeah.

And what was it like to withdraw? How did it feel? like the whole thing I had a course but they keep you in that that drug program's rough it it is rough I never passed it I took it twice I got I stepped I remove myself twice from it oh you could you could take yourself out yeah you could just say look I'm done I can't do this I see they you can stay like your stock if you do you then you're going back to prison no no I did it in the program well in prison well yeah I'm saying but like when you go to the men unit you know like that's once I was a drug program and the other side was the right the us yeah you know because I

And I'm glad I never, like I said, on my PSI, I never did drugs. I had like a zero or one, whatever it was. But they had to, you know, they had a rough. I mean, I don't know how anybody, that shit's not good. That's rough. It is rough. I mean, it was rough. It's rough for the guys that wanted, they got a year off.

You know, I wasn't doing it for the year off. I was doing it to stay at the prison. Because if you, if you enter into the program, they can't transfer you. So they were trying to transfer me to a camp. Well, the camp would be in Miami. My mom lives 45 minutes to an hour away. She comes to see me every two weeks. If I go to Miami, and that's the closest camp, that's a four and a half hour drive.

She's 80-something years old. She'll never make it. So I'll never see her again. And, you know, she was older. And I didn't think she was going to, I thought by my biggest fear was she was going to die when I was in prison. So it was like, I would go in and then just once they put the management variable on me, I would drop out. And then 90 days later, they'd be like, we're taking it off you. We're going to transfer you.

And I go, no, I'm going back to the program. Go back. So you know how to work the system. Yeah, of course. See, it was different, kind of a little different with the state stuff in Jersey. Yeah, the state's always a little bit different. But they were, you know, like walking.

I mean, it was rough. I watched them like, that's rough. Yeah, they tear you apart. They're vicious. And then the inmates are the ones doing it. They're tearing each other apart. Yeah. But see, I don't know that.

And the thing is I just don't, I can't understand a life either because I didn't come from that addiction kind of thing. Right. So it does, I don't understand. You know, when they're doing yelling, like that doesn't, to me, that doesn't, I just can't comprehend it.

you know what I mean and I believe in it I think it helps some people but I also think like you know like they said you should I said because you know some people were trying to get out to go like a program in Maryland listen if it would have said you can do a year if you go to a program I would have fucking done it yeah yeah but I if you fuck up here you go back like it's just as bad but so I'm I'm at I'm at the I'm at the I'm at the they take you to a gymnasium of the of the prison this right by him and you're sitting there's 20 25 guys and there's two two older white guys and the Spanish lady older And I think, fuck. But we'll go back to the psychiatrist. So the psychiatrist is one I saw when I first went to prison. The same one that interviewed me. We wanted to go to the halfway house. And she straight up said, I hate you when I saw her halfway house. Listen, this chick, I said, what?

She's like, because we did an I did an IQ test. She's like, you have a higher IQ than me. Instead of doing a good business, you're out here selling drugs and blah, blah, blah. I said, well, yeah, I mean, you know, I know, because you know what you're supposed. to say. And I feel horrible about it. I really sure applied myself. I said, I could have done, yeah, I could have done it. You're right. I could have, I could have been the next Steve for, you know, whatever. And Elon Musk. And, you know, so I kind of fed it. But by the end of the conversation, what I did say to her was like, she said, well, what are you going to do when you leave? I was like, well, I want to get back into real estate. Because I thought that sounded good. Yeah. But then she's like, well, why? I said, you know, because I like closing the deal. Well, then all of a sudden, she's like, kind of like selling drugs. I was like, not like selling drugs. But, you know, but by the end of that, conversation. We're talking about buying selling houses. So I think I have her. Right. But, you know, like, I think I won. But because I told her I went here, but I fucked up that one thing. So that's all I can think about is me saying, I want to go into real estate to close

the deal when I'm at the parole. So I go on the parole board. So people come out crying. Three year hit, 36 month. 30. I'm like, so I got 30. I have eight years, six months on the back end of my sentence that they can hit me. So with that, they're going to hit me two years or better. 18 months or you're going to stay in the halfway house 18 months so you go back to prison so I'm like fuck I go pack my shit up I got these two fucking old white dudes and especially they probably fucking hate me you know because I'm in here you know everybody else like you know so I get in there

and they they're rough on me but I don't show no I show no emotion you know I'm just like you're right you know beat me now motherfucker and back my I'm like you fucking scumbags you know I mean like you love this shit you know I mean And so they're like, well, you know, are we going to do it down? I'm like, yeah, you know, definitely, you know, I want to get back. I want to get back and do this take care of blah, blah, pop. And, you know, they said, well, do you feel your sentence was fair?

Why the fuck are you asked me? No, I don't fucking feel my sentence with it. But I, now I'm talking to myself in my head this, but I'm not verbalizing this. But this is going through my head before I even saying they. You feel your sentence is fair? I want to say, they wanted my fucking fathering off me a year. But I didn't say that. I said, well, you know, listen, we all do, you know, I feed them to bullshit.

They say leave. So I walk out I'm like there's no shot Because I said I got eight and a half years behind me I need to do half my time Right So 10 minutes goes by

Wait can you say that again Eight and a half I had eight and a half years Left on my sentence So I had a five year minimum But 13 years six months Was my max out time Okay

So I had eight years I thought you were saying you'd already done No I did five years I did four and a half years now I missed something Yeah so the eight and a half years Was well all my 20 year sentence Was left on my 20 year sentence

Right So I didn't do half of my, you know, if they say you got 20 years, they're not worried about mansorm. They're worried about my 20 years. They're looking at that number. Right. Well, there's no fucking way. But I'm like, maybe I just get a year hit because I can stay in the halfway house.

All right. Because, but it's funny because when you first took the plea, you thought, I can be out of here in five years. But no questions is. But throughout the prison experience, you've seen enough people get turned out for just stupid shit that you're like. Everybody gets a hit. Yeah. And they love that shit. They fucking, those pro officers motherfuckers, man.

They love that shit. I swear to got the, I don't, I did think they're doing it on purpose because, you know, I think there's only one or two people that got dates that day. Right. I am 100% sure that my psych report is the one they got me. She hooked it up because if that would have been bad, they're definitely doing it. So, yeah, so I go in, they're like, well, it's your lucky day. I'm like, fuck, they're going to say, you aren't doing to work in me a year here. Like, I'm thinking, you know, like, because they know 18 months, you're going back.

Right. Like, you got your date. I was like, thank you, right? And the Spanish is like, you're not sure, you're not very happy. I was like, no, I'm happy. You know, I said, and then I was like, I think it's great. You know, ready to set my life, you know, give her some bullshit, whatever I was supposed to do. So I go outside.

Now I have a date, but 18 other guys don't. Oh. So what happens now? Now, you walk out and say, fuck. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm going to have to write you a ticket to my name. New movie, The Naked Gun.

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I was like, yeah, they gave me a day down the road. Like, you know, not giving a, so now because you know, yeah, like, I'm not telling anybody when it is. Fuck that. Right. Because they don't, nobody wants you to go home. Nobody in prison wants you do better than the next guy. Yeah.

Yeah, they're like, you know what you mean? But they're like children. Like, if they find out you're leaving, they'll sabotage it. Oh, yeah. Do a fight with you. They'll start fucking with you and sit. because they know you're so like they know you're not going to do anything you can't do anything like you could basically come and oh you want to take all my shit out my locker of course i don't know

why i didn't bring it to you yeah of course you want me deliver it to you like yeah and so do anything and luckily i i you know i had some respect in there so nobody fucked me but i also didn't give any information right um so i get the date and i'm walking back i'm like you that i like stress i am comfortable being uncomfortable right which is a weird saying but it's true But I'm fucking stressed out now. Like fucking stomachs burbling, you know, like I'm going to shit myself almost. You know, because I got, I'm eight months from going home, I think, or seven months, wherever my time was, seven and a half months left to, you know, when my day was or nine

and a, whatever the number was. But I got to, I can't fuck up. So I'm nervous. I got to surround myself with people I know. I got to keep the fucking people that work in there, keep them happy, you know. So they're in my town again. So I'm halfway house in my town. Right.

So I can take care of some people. still like hey listen you need something you need you know you need your house done or i got a guy i got a guy you know i kind of thing so i get i get back to the dorms you know i want to call but i don't want to call because i only hear me when the date is and so for the next i went to work the next day is when i called everybody you know because everybody's like want to know that night i couldn't call scared to death to tell like when a date was um and i think that that last few months put 10 years of my life way more than any other one because that's the big I can see the end now and how do you like how do you not fuck this up and I think that was the worst the most stressful of any other time in prison yeah I was going to say that you know yeah there's so many things that you did wrong when you when you were talking to them tell that the real estate thing was they want you to say oh my my buddy Jimmy knows a guy who knows a guy who's getting me a job I'm going to work in a warehouse I'm going to drive a Forklift.

Like, they want you to be, kind of have a normal W-2 job superviseable. A broom pusher. We know where you are. We can understand. But if you say, no, no, I'm going to go do real estate. I'm going to buy some houses. I want to flip them. I want to start doing this.

They're like, they don't really understand that. It's the hustle. And it sounds to them to a guy who's worked 40, 50 hours a week, his whole life and is a W-2 job and has, you know, worked for somebody. When real estate guys, even when I hear him talk about it, it. it just sounds schemy, like, it sounds like, it sounds like, how do you make that kind of money if you don't, yeah, because I've been working this. Exactly. I agree. You know, but even though you're like, no, it's legitimate, I buy this, I fix it up, I sell it for this. And they're like,

I don't, it's, and especially when you talk about it, like when I talk about it, for some reason, I can't talk about it without making it sound like fraud. And it's like, it's not they can't comprehend it, though. You know, they've been told what to do for last 40 years of their life. Yeah. They need marching orders. I don't need marching orders. I'm marched in And same with you. So I should have said your husband, right, I'm getting a job at McDonald's. And they would have said, perfect. But I, you know, listen, I gave as much as I could just to still be like kind of genuine.

And I didn't look at it because I wasn't looking at it like they would. As soon as I said it, verbally said it, in my head it sounded good. But when I verbally said, I was like, fuck, I fucked up. Well, you know it's funny too. It's like, for me, there's like two kinds of people. I'm sure you know this. is like there are those people that think, you know, if you're getting some pie, you're taking it from my pie, my potential pie.

Yeah. And then there was those people that say, no, no, there's enough pie for everybody. And so, you know, and I think there's enough pie for everybody. But you sometimes you talk to people, you start to realize that, like, there are some people that are just genuinely, and you see it in prison all the time, genuinely jealous people. Yes. Like cannot say anything good about somebody. They cannot be happy that this person.

is, oh, this is something happening. Oh, your, your kids' moms coming in bringing your kids. Oh, that's great. Other guys will be like, they'll say it right there. Like, man, I ain't seen my kids in five years. And my ex-girl, she's banging my, it's like, bro, it's not about you. Like, this guy's, the kids, kids are coming this weekend. Good for him.

Like, fuck. And I think this is the same. It's the same thing with the people that work there. It has, well, you know, when you've done the same thing, you work for the state, you know, listen, they're, they do one thing. They don't even, they can't even see further. They're worried about what their pension is going to be when they're done. You ever hear them talk, all they ever talk about is overtime.

Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Their benefits, they're this. Yeah, yeah. If they do, I pay $1,000 a month for my own benefits. Like, they couldn't comprehend that now, you know? And that's the thing, like, that's what I like what we do now is I want to bring everybody in. Listen, you can be a state worker.

My pro officer, my last pro office actually worked at the real estate office that we had when he retired. So, you know, because he came in, he saw, you know, when he's like, listen, this is what it's about. And I think that's the difference now is that a lot of people don't want, you know, they kind of like gatekeep all this shit. Listen, I'll tell everything you want to know. Right. And here's the thing.

If you make $100,000, because it's, give me a couple thousand. Hook me up. I'm not going to ask for it. Just say, here, show you appreciate it. You know, because we can make all the money together or we can do it together. But I want everybody to be have money because the more people to have money around, the less problems are. There's, it's the broke motherfucker that's causing all the problems.

Where we go? Yeah, you know what I was going to say, it's funny when I, used to teach the real estate class and I would explain how I'd break it down for everybody and explain how you can do this, you can do that, you can do different ways that things work, you know, from flipping houses to how to buy them, like how you can buy like, you know, um, uh, you know, um, uh, you know, uh, you know, subject to mortgages. It's like you go and, you know, you catch up the guy's mortgage payment or maybe you just take over his mortgage or you, you know, all the various ways, you know, like if they had a problem, if I was you and I, you're going to need some money,

you know, you could do, you could hear what you can do. it's funny like I would have guys come out and say man why do you tell everybody like that that I mean you tell enough people and then they get out and they start doing it and there's nothing left I'm like first of all first of all there is plenty of pie and they'll and secondly I could tell 10,000 people and three of them might get out if 100% even if they have even though all those guys have the tools you still have to have the guts to do it oh yeah it's frightening oh you know it's frightening to do it and they would rather like no I want to be safe. I want to go get my job working 40 hours a week. And God bless you, you know,

that's, those are the people that make this country work. Oh, yeah, yeah. But, you know, but it's, it's scary. It is for the first time. It's fucking terrifying. It is. It's, I don't fix it up and sell it. Like, that's insane. And once you learn, though, you're not going to die. Yeah. It doesn't fucking matter. And once you see it work, it's like, it's even better. Then it's a dick team. Yeah. Oh, I couldn't imagine. I couldn't go back to, like, I couldn't imagine somebody telling what the fuck to do. Yeah. I don't. It's just, you know, and when I work with, you know, all the guys that work for me, it's always, it's us. I always say, listen, what are we going to do?

How are we going to do this? You know, I had this great assistant. She was really good for a long time. And it was always like, what are we going to do? Where she went bad was she thought it was hers. So she thought because I have a Lamborghini, she should have one. You're not there yet. Right.

You'll get there, but you got to follow. Like, nothing's free. I'm not just giving you shit ever. But I'll give you the tools to get there. Right. And I think that's the problem A lot of people is they come in They see, you know, they see his okay life

They were, you know, but I buy I buy yours to write it off Because I made that much profit in Miami last year So now I don't pay any taxes on it Right Not because I can, I don't give a fuck about that car I don't care what I do. I drive a van with two dogs in every day

I don't care about any of that shit I like being successful And doing whatever I want But also I just grind and I can drive an old beater I don't care what I drive, you know, that kind of shit But she had this thing where she was young, but she thought she's me and she's entitled to those things. And that's the problem with the younger generation.

They don't want to do like we did. They don't want to grind through this shit. They want it right now. Yeah, I was going to say it's like the people that bust their ass to get the big job that they've been trying to get and they get it and they think, I've made it and they kick back. But the truth is you made it and now the work began. Now it starts right.

Yeah, now it's hard. Like you thought getting here was hard. Now it's going to. right now it's real right so people don't get that no you know they think oh i made it yeah kick back and it's not doesn't work like that um so you're so you got in the halfway house you were working at your um real at your buddy's real estate right and so how long did that last before you basically like on your own i stayed well i stayed it was only just for the halfway house he didn't need me i was in i mean i was in the halfway house 10 months you know that i was it

i was in half house for seven months i worked from i worked from my buddies for his gym but really what it did was he picked me up he brought me there and I did work there I stayed there all day he did he paid the same way

that's right same shit like almost 80 hours a week because it was a max you could work I worked the max you could work and he basically paid me there so that he could go goof around and knew somebody was there that would open up

and he had you there for seven bucks an hour worth it he was like I gotta have somebody here so he just switched somebody to the other gym and they were, you know, and somebody else quit, you know, two, a month later. And he's like, oh, now I'm really glad you're here. No, I stayed at the whole time. Yeah.

Because that's when I was, it was easy. The bus was right outside. Or did miss the, did you, how did you guys get to and from jobs? You get the bus? Well, I mean, like my, my wife had to take a, had to take like an hour and a half bus, a couple different buses, because she was in the halfway house. But that's where I met her. But luckily, literally, halfway house was on, was on Hillsborough Avenue, one street over, one main throw, over is waters.

I was literally probably two miles away. So my buddy would just swing by, pick me up, drop me off. And then he'd leave and I'd be there. And I got to play on the computer and my phone and goof off for 12, 14 hours. And then I drive back or he would drop me back. Somebody would. Somebody that works there. Yeah, see, we couldn't get dropped off.

We had to take the bus. Oh, man. And so a snowstorm came one day and the bus didn't come. Right. And I'm like, fuck, they're going to fucking, they're going to violate me for that. So I'm calling him like, yo, the bus. did not come like what didn't come to bring you back yeah so i left so i would i'd have to leave my job and walk a few blocks to the bus stop you know the 530 it was the bus um 530 line and they

went to britchton well the snowstorm came i'm walking through fucking six eight inch of snow in a day and the bus never comes you can't have cell phone i couldn't we're wearing a lot of state have cell phones right so i had to fucking find a pay phone say call i after 20 minutes here to wait and then i was scared to go to use the pay phone because then the bus might come because they call and check. And that's the thing like every time I had to check in. So I had to check in when I got there. Check in at 12. Check in at three. Check in when I leave. Like there was a lot of there's a lot. But back then they had those spoof cards, you know, where you could put it. Call from another number. Yeah. I don't think they can do any more like these new cell phones. You can't

do it. They still do have spoof cards. I don't know if it works on the cell phone. Yeah, I don't know. But then, you know, people are calling like just taking off. I was like, now I'm good. I'm staying right here because my luck, they're going to check. But like on weekends, you know, people with, you got a call from your house. You got to be home. You can't leave. They call from a spoof card, you know, back then. But like I said, I think it's changed now. Well, the cell, so I was able to use this every, obviously, every house, half the house is different. Yeah. But I was able to, they, they had just allowed guys to start getting cell phones maybe a year before I got there. Okay. So I was able to get cell phones. What year were you,

what, uh, 2019. I got to that. Okay. See, this, I was out in 2000. Yeah, I know. I was going to say, like that's what, that's how long it took before they would let you even have a cell phone. Okay. Yeah. That's, literally like 2017 or 18. They let people, okay, you guys and have them. You can't have your laptop. Like, what? Come on, stop. Like, they had just stupid rules.

But, yeah, so I got a cell phone. I was there. But they wouldn't let you. They would only let you leave if you walked straight to the bus stop. So somebody had to pick me up because it was two miles away. And I was, when I was in prison, I was jogging all the time. So I wanted to, I was like, let me jog there and jog back. Absolutely not.

Like, but you like guys walk to. Well, so what if I'm like, so if I said, let me go to the bus stop and then I jog. They were like, and we find out, and you'll go back to prison. I was like, this is stupid. So, you know, I got to get my buddy Treon to pick me up. And then same thing, you got to call when you're there. And you call every check in. Yeah, you got to check in.

Yeah, and then they call every now and again, just to check on you too. Like. Yeah, which he thought was hilarious. He'd laugh and he'd be like, who, that derelict? And I'd look over and he goes, yeah, he's here. Yeah, that's, you know, same thing. My guy was never, never in the office. I mean, just fucking on the phone, you know, whatever.

It was, you know, it was different back then. And I tell people this, too, and you know, like, the shit that the game is totally different now. Like, there you have too much access to everybody now. You know, these guys are getting knocked off by putting dumb shit on YouTube. You know, I'm like, the fuck. Back then, that's why they didn't get as much information. So I think that's why, maybe they let the phones, too, because I think, honestly, the phones are, even when they're in the halfway house, they're like giving up information on themselves, you know, just people just got to think, man.

It's just, you know, it doesn't make sense. But the halfway house people are low paid people that don't care if you go back to prison. That was my problem. You know, like, fuck, you go back to jail. I'm like, you don't, you do nothing. Like, you want to see me go back to jail. Like, why? But they just, you know, they had nothing.

Yeah, no, I know. I sit in their chair and they say, okay, put them back. Yeah. The, the rules are so stupid. I was going to say, so did you immediately start like, um, What do you call yourself? You call yourself a rehab or? So what I started, so as soon as I got home, I had to have a job.

So I, what I did was I, my stepfather, Rick, had started a construction company for me. Right. So I went into that. Yeah. So I was buying and selling houses. I was selling real estate. You know, I didn't have my real estate. So I went to fight my real estate license.

They wouldn't give it back to me. Really? Yeah. So like I went in front of board, paid an attorney. these 10 people on a real estate board like, fuck you, you're a problem. Now, I never, none of my shit was financial. They shouldn't have ever kept it from, but they did.

Which is, listen, it's better now because if I was buying myself, my own shit, you know. Right. So the girl I was dating at the time, the one that got raided with me. So we started dating her when, so she got ready with Michelle. I started dating her when I came home. Okay.

And she went in a real estate office. So I worked in the office for her and I would get, you know, people come in when a cell house, so that's how, that's how I started. So I hooked up with one of my buddies from back then, and we flipped the first house probably six months after I had come home

and from that time the profit what I did is I bought a rental then we flip another couple houses and then Michelle and I had bought a few rentals together so that kept some income coming from me she had my back the old time which was always good to have somebody

she had me and she always took care of me no matter what so she kind of like got me started and put me, you know, had the right direction for me, you know, help wise because I'd been out of in touch for five years, you know. So I flipped the house, bought a rental, flipped another house, bought a couple rentals, cash with the profit. So I starve to get to where we are today. Yeah.

And, you know, so I had four or five rentals. Then I cashed them out. Then I had a bunch of cash because I, you know, I bought flipped. And so it kind of just rolled like that. So I, I'm an investor. You know, I, my flipping, I name my company flipping keys, my real estate investment company um so i have a real estate investment money named flipping keys and that's what i buy and sell under and then i'm my rental company which is chad which is all my kids names so and we you know holding under there and then my contracting company which is dwr which i my son bought a couple years ago from me okay so um i was going to say i have a i have a co-defendant that went to uh prison um names alison she's she ended up getting her real estate license they gave oh yeah they do it's

just, you know. They just wouldn't with you? I'm a fucking problem. Was it because you were, maybe it was because you were still on probation. Well, she waited until she got off probation. Oh, yeah. It could have been because I, like, eight years, but I'm not fucking waiting eight years. Yeah.

And they wouldn't let me off parole. I mean, murderers are getting off early. I'm like, the fuck, I'm here making money. I got a nice house. I got, you know, my girlfriends are making out my dogs. The fuck. What? I don't drink.

I don't do drugs. I'm the perfect one that, like, let off early. Did they give you a reason why? Because he didn't believe I could do that well. Who's the judge? The sergeant of the, no, the judge, my parole officers, both went to him and said, listen, you got him off. I had like four years left. Right.

So, fuck him. He's staying. I don't believe he's not doing any wrong. Who said this? The lieutenant or sergeant of the parole office. Oh, okay. Yeah, the guy that would have had to give it. Yeah, it's funny because I applied to get off at the halfway point, right?

Like, you can apply. And I waited to like three years. And I sent it in and asked for it to be often the probation, you know, the judge asks the probation office, what do you suggest? And they came back and they said, we don't, don't, even though they'd actually told me, you know, you should ask. Because everybody gets off at halfway, typically, you know, and you haven't been a problem. So they were like, if we would recommend it if you didn't owe money, but you owe restitution. But you pay it. So you should probably apply yourself.

Okay, that's fine. I did that. And then the judge calls them and they say, oh, we don't recommend it because he hasn't paid off restitution. Because what they're supposed to say. Fake as fuck. And the judge denied it. Then why did you suggest that I do it when you're going to deny? Yeah, I don't think this had to go through my pro officer then had to go to the sergeant

around the department. Right. And he just had a problem with me. To this day, you know, and you don't know why. I don't care. And you know, my thing is, I don't defend myself. meaning people don't talk shit I laugh at them

fuck you I'm still going to sleep just fine now if you come in my zone we got problems but he does shut the fuck up you don't know me he doesn't know me he doesn't know fuck

he's never met me a day in my life but he's still doing shit why because they just you know people that sit at those average jobs don't think you never do better you know especially they look at us

you know a felon he's now I'll buy and sell you yeah times 10 so you ever read the comments on your on your on your oh yeah i don't why not because i don't i don't get into that yeah you know so it's nobody that knows me at all right 100 so it's a millennial this saying like i have people defending me all the time yeah and then there'll always be one jerk off who's like he's lying this never happened or that never it's like you don't you have no idea but like the video listen

all my phone calls are recorded why because anybody that says he did this hold on i did let me put our phone call up because how many people say oh devil's over here's trying to fuck this bitch oh it was hold on here's our phone call i had nothing to but she said you know that so you have that all the time jealousy and success don't go together so the more successful i am is i'm a target like i'm a target everywhere i go what was this what was the i heard a comment the other day they said you'll never hear someone that is that is more successful than someone talking bad about that person it's always somebody who's not as successful talking bad about that person. And the people that say shit, so I'm, I'm in your face.

I'm confrontational. I don't want a problem, but if there's a problem, I don't have a problem. Right. Right. So if, but I'm always like, even my girlfriend, like, you did this. Bring that girl right here right now because that's not what the fucking said. So I'm in your, if you said, if I said it, fuck it, I, 100%. That's the thing. So I don't even read the comments because what am I going to argue? Are you with some clown?

What are you going to fuck? Right. What do I care? I'm in a three-bedroom condo in Miami, look at the water. You're in a fucking project somewhere. Get away from me, kid. You know, that kind. And that's what I do.

So, and because I have no, I don't care what people say. Like, it doesn't, none of that shit ever bothered me, ever has. I'm just like, fucking, listen, I wake up same way every day, smiling. I'm happy. I love life. How long have you been out? I got home in 2010. So, okay.

Tell me about the bag that you brought in here. So, so it's this guy's company. Okay. I walk through TSA with a drug money bag. And it says drug money, a big red drug money bag. You should take a picture of it. It says, assholes live forever because I'm an asshole. I 100% know I'm an asshole.

If you leave me alone, I'm the best dude in the world. If you're my people, I got you back to the, I will go to war with you. And if you're wrong, I'm still going to war with you, but I'm going to tell you about it later. But if I don't like you, fuck you. Right. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. And that's my biggest thing is,

and that's probably my worst trait of a lot of them is that I don't get bothered. I don't care. I don't give a fuck. You never talk to me again. Go fuck yourself. Who's, who's, who's, I thought this was your company. No, this is, this is, uh, this is, um, slut whisperer, I think is.

What is going on? Yeah. Is this a buddy of yours? It's a guy. He's, he's, he's just a maniac. He's, he's a man who's, he's a man who's, he's, he's, um, he's absolutely maniac. But I bought, you know, like, I like, I like fuck on people.

right what are you going to do to me like i've been in prison i've been broke what tell me what's worse than that nothing no no that's so if you can't now you can't scare me oh i'm going to do this go ahead oh listen i used to say that i was just say that like if i got out and you know that when i got out if i wanted to start committing crime like i'd be 10 times worse now because my worst fear was going to prison right now you know what it is prison wasn't as bad as I thought it was. It sucked. It did suck.

Oh, no, I don't want to go back. I wouldn't go back. But it would certainly not instill the amount of fear that it did. Well, that's, that's right. So the unknown is the fear. And that's what I say in my sentence. It's unknown. Now you know you can handle it.

You know, that's what I'm saying. There's nothing you can do to me now because I'm not going back to prison. Right. And if I go broke tomorrow, I know I can make it the next day. Yeah, it's funny. My dad used to always said that. He's like, you could pick with my, My skill set, he's like, you could pick me up, drop me off in the middle of Ohio.

And I'm going to make it. Yeah, in two years from now, he's like, I'd be making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. And I'm saying me as that way. And I believe that. Right. And, you know, and it's only because I know my drive, you know, a girl was texting me today. And she said, you know, you just don't have time. You know, you don't respond.

I sent her 11 screenshots of all my phone calls from 6.30 to morning, they start until 11 o'clock at night. I said, if I can't respond to you in an hour, it's because I'm fucking doing shit. I said, I don't, that's side that I'm motivated. I'm driven to go one way. Like, I'm trying to get somewhere. And so all the other shit, it can sit in the back burner. Yeah. But people don't understand that drive either.

You know, they're the ones that work nine to fives. She makes great money a couple hundred grand a year, but she's a nine to five or nine to six. You know, she might work a couple hours here or there. But listen, if it's a Saturday and something goes on, if a tenant calls me a 10 o'clock at night and says, come pick up your $1,200 bucks. I'm getting out of my bed and going to pay that because tomorrow they're not going to have it. Right. people don't, people don't comprehend that.

Yeah, or a toilet's overflowing and I need to get a plumber out there. This is some, this is a woman, she doesn't even know how to shut off the water. Right. It's ruining my house right now. And some people don't understand that. Yeah, yeah, you're working, you're working, yeah, every single. Yeah, you're not going to outwork me. You may be smarter than me, you may better look, but you're not going to outwork me.

The guys that, the mortgage workers that used to be, um, at my mortgage company used to laugh. They're like, brothers, they'd laugh. They go, I called Cox. I, you know, Matt, they didn't call me Cox. And I called Matt at 1130 on Friday night. I was at a bar and I was talking to a guy and I called him. He's like, I didn't think he would answer. He answered the phone.

And I remember I answered the phone. I'm like, what? What's up? And he said, listen, I'm at the bar. I got a guy. He's got a 750 credit score. He currently lives in a piece and currently has a house, but he wants to buy a quadplex that I'm selling. Does he, you know, what's he going to have to put down?

What's his interest rate? And I go, okay, what's his credit score? How long has he been on his? job. I said, okay, look, I said, we can get them 95% financing. I said, the house that he's in right now, I said, how much is the mortgage on it? They tell me, like, okay, we'll say that that is a quadplex that he currently lives in one of the units. And we'll say he's moving from quadplex to quadplex. We can get him 95% owner occupied at a 7% interest rate. I know we can do it. We do it right through such and such mortgage. And they were like, bro, he immediately rambled

off where we could go, who we could go with, what everything. And I was like, he was, I was like, is that it? They were like, all right, perfect, bro. See you. See you. hung up. He was like, 11.30 night. They just started laughing. But it's true. There's not a lot of people like that. Right. Most people call me tomorrow. See, I'm not like that. Listen, there's a call coming in for something. And that's what drives me. And people don't understand that. You know, that's my. But I made it's hard on a relationship.

Listen, I, I, I, Michelle's with 13 or 14 year. Airtrak came home. Right. So Michelle broke up during COVID. Okay. I dated a little in between. Then I dated another check. Her family had money. And it just didn't. She didn't understand that the drive. Right. You know, which, listen. And I get it. If you're comfortable, you're, I'm, and she didn't understand my thing of being, you know, comfortable being uncomfortable. I'm okay because I want to, I know where I want to be. I'm not happy yet where I'm not, I'm not content, right? You know, because I see better. I still, I still see bigger and better things for a lot of people, not just me.

I want to bring people with me. I was out, you know, I was in L.A., one of these, um, talent guys were buying a house down here together. As I just talked about the business. He's like, let's do, I want to, I want to get in it. Everybody wants to get in it. And I'm happy showing. That's what I was talking before. Like, how do I do this? How do we do this so that everybody can see your knowledge of the thing. My knowledge, you know, that how do we, how do you put that together so people can do what we do? Right. And we, you know, we take it a little easier. We still get paid on somehow.

You know, that's what I'm trying to figure out the next move. There's got to be something out there to, like, to teach kind of like what we do, you know, like with the new DSCR rates and, you know, because people don't know about like the DSCR loans, which are easiest loans in the world now. I don't know what that is. So it's a debt service covers? trade share of loan. And it's a loan that you don't have to live there. It's just they don't do your credit. They don't pull your credit or anything like that. What they do is if the house makes, it has to be 1.2%. So if the house makes 1,800, your mortgage is 1,400, you're, approved. Okay. So it's almost like a like a commercial quality that the property has to

qualify for itself. It's for your rental or something. Yeah. And you can't live there. Right. But it doesn't go against your personal credit. So I can get people without with not good credit because they only pour your credit. I mean, sometimes they make you sign a personal guarantee. some different lenders, but you don't have to do it. So if, you know, if you buy a house and it's making $2,000 a month and the mortgage is only $1,100, you're, you're, you qualify for DSCR. If you have the 20% down, you got a house. Do you have it?

What's the credit score? No, there isn't, they don't use credit score. They only use the debt. They use the rent to the, to the liability. That's nuts. That sounds like, sounds like it's going to be a problem in a few years. It very well could be, but it also makes it easy. I mean, you know, so I'm doing.

You know, like I refinanced 20 units for a couple million. And as long as that number, the rents coming in cover what the mortgage is, it's a simple 15-day close. I talked to a guy the other day, actually went to lunch with him, where he's doing, you know, the green initiative, right? The solar panels where, and he was explaining it to me. And I was like, this can't be right. I think that's a scam.

There's something wrong. That's like I kept asking questions and asking questions. I'm like the it's so basic if you happen to meet that criteria it's just like you can just borrow and borrow and borrow and borrow and borrow and I was like that and keep walking away with money to put into this one and this one and this one and this one and this one and he was like yeah I'm telling you we've been you know they're doing it they've been doing it for you know years and years I'm like that just feels like it's going to at some point it's going to collapse and he's like well he's like it's not as big as like a bubble like that it's a program they may cancel it at some point but and I was just like, yeah, it was the criteria was because when I was thinking was, I meet that criteria. Right. Like, it's, that's perfect for me. And I was like, no, it's too good. I felt like it's too good to be true.

And that, listen, you know, we both know nowadays. Yeah, yeah, before I didn't think that. Now, everything I look at, I'm like, hmm, something, there's something wrong here. Like, I got to find it. Like, if I can't find it and I really look, maybe I might do that. But, yeah, you're financing. There is no CLTV. They don't care.

They don't care if that house is worth $200,000. And you owe $200,000, they'll end you $150,000. how is that possible? Right. You know, but they're insured. That's the thing. Well,

I think what's happening is obviously it, those guidelines are are made up by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. So it's, you know, it's kind of, you know, backed by the U.S. government through these banks and they,

I think those banks are thinking, yeah, well, if things go bad, we'll just give them, we'll just sell them with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They take it. They have to take it. And they'll just take the loss.

Yep. But that's, it's what's happening though. Same thing is DSCR you should look into it. It's an awesome program. And, But I wish people that, see, the problem is a lot of people aren't cut out for rental business. You know that, you know.

And with all the hard money out there now, I mean, there's so many hard money lenders that, honestly, any way you could do a flip if they know. But it's a lot more than people think. Like getting the money now for a flip is easy. Make it being profitable with it, though, is the hard part. Yeah, we're talking about that early. It's just never works out the way you think. Because you got, you know, Cindy over here who wants to treat like it's her home instead of selling it to make money. And she wants to do the upgraded, you know, upgrade this.

That courts sells. the same as level three, granite. So instead of paying $8,000, let's pay $3,000. And because you're going to get the same dollar. Right. And that's the hardest thing is showing people. It's like, we don't need to do all that. Flooring is flooring.

A kitchen is a kitchen. A bathroom is a bathroom. Make it nice, clean, but we don't need to go crazy. Right. You spent $3,500 on landscaping. Why? You get nothing for the landscaping. Just keep it clean.

Get your guy out there for $500. There's some mulch. I had a girlfriend that I put into a house. And I was like, listen, here's how the numbers work. And I explained it to her. Right. And then she got in there. Next thing you know, well, I can do wood floor. The contractor says I can do wood floors for only, you know, 4,000 more.

And it was like, you don't, I thought we already talked about this. This is a, and it's only 4,000. It's my money. Okay, whatever. And then it was a metal roof. And then it was, you know, this. And then it had a porch. Half the porch had been turned into an extra room.

Okay. So she removed it, turned it back into, turned it, back into a porch. She said, no, it's nicer. So she removed 200 square feet. So I'm like, so you just turned a two bedroom, one bath into a one bedroom, one bath. So you just, one, it costs you about $6,000 or $7,000 to do it. And two, you just removed about $250 a month in profit.

Like, you're making brilliant decisions. They don't get it, though. The dollars and cents, you know. And I say, if it makes sense, it's got to make dollars to make sense for me. And I see things way different A lot of people. Like I said, I can walk in and I'll say, we do this, boom, boom, boom,

and we're done. And I've done it so much now that I can just walk around and I can be real close to budget, you know, like where we can make money. And that's what you, that's the part teaching somebody that is going to be the hardest part.

You know, people get them, I always say that, you know, people get emotional about it. Yeah, you can't, no motion. I have zero emotion. That's my problem in life. I just, I'm not emotional person. I remember I had a group of investors

that had contacted me one time and they wanted to put money into a piece of property. I was like, okay, cool. And I happened to have, I was like, look, I'm about to get money from a hard money lender. It was an easy deal. It was like, whatever, like $65,000 for the place. And we're going to put in $15,000 and we're going to sell it for $130, something like that.

Like it was real quick. And it was a super, you know, $15,000 was nothing. Like it was done in the month. And so they, it was a rush thing and they gave me the money. So they gave me the money. I renovated their property and I already had a buyer. So literally, it's within 45 days to. 60 days, they've got their money back. They made like, they gave me like 65,000. They made like

15 grand. And I remember they held a second mortgage. And I told them, I got a guy that'll buy the second mortgage for, it wasn't 50%. It was like 33% right now before this person's ever made a payment. Yeah. And they were like, no, no, one of them was a lawyer. Like, no, no, I'm going to keep it. They'll pay. I can make them pay. I'm like, no, I'm telling you this person probably won't pay. You know, and I mean, they were supposed to pay. But, you know, based on their credit, I could only get them like an 80% financing we held a 15% second like trust me if the bank only wants to lend them 80 that that's probably not a good they know well yeah so um no no no it's okay it's okay so anyway they obviously realize like this is super profitable for 65 000 two months later

i get 15 and i got this note that's great they're never making a return or anywhere else right and so the next deal that came up i went to them and i said hey um i got another deal it's whatever it was 80 000 and then i was putting in like the the the money for the renovations. It was whatever, 10,000. Real quick. And they said, they go, okay, well, what's the address? And I said, oh, yeah, here's the address. They said, we'll let you know. I said, okay. Four days later, five days later, they call up. They go, do you have another one? And I went, how many do you want to do? They said, no, no, we don't want to do that one. I said, well, we went over the weekend. And it's not a good area. And I went, yeah, but the

other one was in the same area. They go, yeah, I know. If we had seen it first, we never would of lent the money. And I went, why? And they said, well, you know, it's just a bad area. I said, yeah, but you understand people, you looked at the other houses in the area. Yeah, we did. I said, you noticed people live there, right? Yeah, people have to live there. They're not lawyers and CPAs and doctors. These are regular people. Normal people, yeah. Right. And so I gave them another address. Week later, they came back. Yeah, we don't, that's, that's not a great area either. And I went, okay, but people live there. And so this was, they called me on a conference call. I remember because one of them owned an insurance agency. One was a CPA

and one was a lawyer. And we were on speakerphone. And I said, okay, look, so you've looked at these houses and that's it. Yeah, yeah, we just decided we don't want to invest in those. But can give, give us a, do you have another couple of addresses? I said, no, no, this is the address we're doing. Do you want to lend the money or not? And they were like, well, yeah, but I mean, Matt, we want to be happy with the address. I said, who's making this decision? Well, all of us. And I said, But no, but I'm saying who's out of all of you? I said, who's the one driving? I said, I mean, I said, are you basing this?

I said, are you basing it on the person that has, I said, that writes insurance policies? Are you basing it on the person that chases ambulances? Or are you basing it on the person that does other people's books? I said, because the only person out of all four of us that has any experience in real estate is me. Right. So that's why I'm making this decision and you're just giving me the money. I said, I'm doing you a favor. I can just go to a hard money lender.

I paid you $15,000 for the convenience. Way more than they would have been a hard money lender would charge. Right. It would have been three payments at most. Yeah. You know, and two points or three points. Yeah. At two, three, it doesn't matter.

Yeah. Way under 15 grand. I would have ended paying five or six grand. At most. And so anyway, yeah, they, they were upset that I was. I do. I'm sorry to them. But you blow it up.

And that's what I do. I blow deals up fast. If you don't, if you fuck around and don't do it the way I want to do it, I'm out. Right. Do it yourself. I don't give a fuck. Right. I'm not going to screw you over.

No, and that's the thing. Like, I've had one. Especially in my name. One or two. If I was saying, hey, my name is Mr. Black. You bought a father. But it's just, you know, the thing is people, I did for a bunch of doctors. They just, they would send me, hey, listen, we just bought this an auction, fix it, sell it, send us a check.

Which I did. Right. Fine. Because they want to say, hey, we're in real estate. They want to be at the parties. Hey, you know what I'm in the real estate. They've never seen the fucking place, you know, which is fine. But then I, you know, I came to a point where you got to pay me to do this extra work.

right like I'll do it and we'll split off you so what they're doing they'd buy it I'd fix it but then I was thinking hold on I can buy it and fix it myself right so so if I'm going to go out on the Saturdays and Sundays on my hourly looking for fucking boarded up places and say here's a place I got and we can make a hundred grand on it what how do we fix this to make it more fair you know I want everybody to make money right but I don't want to be taking advantage exactly and that's what happened they get too comfortable when you give too much and that's why I hate construction now you know the homeowner you know You know, they, during COVID, all that money was around.

Right. Well, now COVID's done, the COVID money, now they're back to being tight. Yeah. But they want anything for free. You know, like, oh, you know, let's read through this whole room, but I'm going to leave the yellow outlets in here, you know, and the wall out. I'm like, no. But they know I'm going to change it because I'm not put my name on there.

Right. Or they want, oh, you can't just put, you know, instead of an eight inch overhanging, you put 12 inch overhanging for the same money? No, that's not the way it works. All right. So that's why my son's struggling with that now. because, you know, people just try to take advantage of you in that situation. That's why you need a group of guys that just know, you know, what's going on and just be done with it.

Right. Make it easy. I like it seamless. Well, you have to do it. It's a change order and say, I can do that, but it's going to call this much more and this point and stop and say, look, and then tax them to the point where they're like, okay, it's not worth it. Right. And I think the problem is, and I learned this just being a mortgage broker, the clients that came in and were a problem at the beginning. So they're already complaining about the broker fee. They're complaining about the application fee. They're complaining about their interest rate. They're complaining and complaining and complaining at the very beginning. They're going to be a nightmare.

The whole time. The whole time. By the end, it'll be the worst deal you've ever done. Right. And I have actually been at closing where the guy literally was like, I'm not going to close unless you cut your broker fee. Oh, wow. And it was like, I mean, I was like, wow. And I remember thinking, I, I, I,

I knew better. This guy was an asshole the first day I met him. The green took over. Right. And so what happened was, you know, after a year of that, I realized. Now, the customers that walked in and just were like, okay, okay, okay. They were beautiful the whole way through him. You know, I mean, obviously they ask, you know, one question.

That's one or two questions. Oh, yeah, yeah. But they know, right. A jerk. Well, it's too high. Who's getting that? Who's getting that? It's like, I'm getting it.

So, you know, after a year or so, you do that enough times. You do. You get to that point where they walk in and they go, well, that is. rate's a little high. Say, yeah, I know, but you got a bunch of things on your credit and it's eight and a half. Oh, can we work on that? No. No, that's what it is.

Well, I think I can do better somewhere else. You should go somewhere else. Should you say that? So you need the phone number? And if they leave, you should count your blessings. Oh, yeah. You probably just dodge a bullet. But the thing is they come back.

Oh, yeah. And that's when I bang them over the fucking head. Yeah. You want me? Guess what now's going to cost you. It will, listen, especially in the, you know, especially if I'm changing a document. You know, it's like, no, you. you've had three jobs in the last two years in two different job fields.

Now, you can't go anywhere else, not in telling the information you just told me. And I know you can't fix these documents that I'm going to have to fix. So no, it's eight and a half percent and a $4,500 broker fee. And take it and shut up. So, but yeah, I mean, it's, but you have to go through that to understand how to deal with people. It's a shitty learning curve. And that's like Michelle, I'll tell you about talking about Michelle, but she is different breed. Like, that doesn't bother her.

like so when we first gathered people always took advantage of her because she was always the nice one so you could cuss her out she's like oh he's probably just having a bad day I'm like no punch that motherfucker in the face for talking to you like that right you know she's like no you know he's just having a bad day maybe you know maybe he slipped in the morning or something she was like michelle stop being fucking nice but she was nice to everybody right but she got taking advantage of it's well done so now she's getting a little better but she still listen she has these terrible clients you know showing these people like 80 houses that half they can't afford she's like no that's my job I just want to have a nice house.

I'm like, she's different. You know, like, yeah. But she's also in a situation where she doesn't need to make the sale to eat. She has money, a little bit of money. So not the typical realtors, like, I got to make the sale, you know, I'm going to force you in a house you don't want. And, you know, that is different. Like I said, the real estate world, listen, there's a lot of fucking scumbags in this.

Realtors, most unprofessional profession in the world. Yeah. Two-week test. And then you think you're a fucking realtor and your own TikTok and fucking Instagram. With you, with you, I can, every Facebook, whenever I see a request, like, she's a fucking realtor, no. With the jacket on, you know, like, oh, my God. I was, yeah.

Oh, my God. I always say, like, people out here, like, how many times I'm thinking, God, I would rather deal with criminals. Oh. You know, at least they'll tell you up front, like, you know, that, you know, no, I ain't going to fucking do that, fuck that. And, you know, and there's consequences so that the consequences so bad if you're dealing with a guy and he knows what the consequences are, then he just, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that, you know? like I always joke because when I got out

of prison, this is actually a funny story so when I got out of prison I was working at the gym one time this chick was leaving and going to get lunch right? She worked there right and everybody sitting around giving her orders and she goes and you know how they give you like a bag lunch right? Like the baloney sandwich yeah yeah yeah and I was eat I love blowing sandwich

I can't eat that ever khakis and white shirts never again in my life so I remember she said I actually told a story I think a couple days ago and she goes she said her name was Leanne and she goes she said Matt do you want something from it was like what was something it was John's or something it was like Jimmy Johns or let me say Jimmy John I don't know what I think it was Jimmy John she says you want

you want something from Jimmy Johns and I went no I'm okay I got a bag lunch and keep in mind I'm broke right and I'm saving everything like I'm making it a challenge to save money like you know like a game yeah and I said no I got a bag lunch she's I know but you eat that I've been eating that every day you eat that all the time she's like why don't you get a sub from Jimmy Johns and I went I said I you know honestly I don't really have the money to do that that and and she said uh i said i'm trying to save money she was it's okay she's she's i've got you i got it and i went no i said i i understand but i'm i'm good she was mad it's i've got

you and i went and everybody's kind of look at me now like what's the problem and i went and because you'll understand this is very prison mentality i said listen lian i said if you're asking me if you want if you're saying you're going to get me a sandwich and you do not expect for me to pay you back when i get my check on Friday and you do not expect that next week I'm going to buy you a sandwich I said then yes you can get me a sandwich as long as it's there's no reciprocation involved I said because I said I'm saving money and I do not have money to spend on a sandwich or pay you back for a sandwich I said so I don't have the money I said and I've got a same I said I got a back lunch I'm okay and she went

I'm going to get you a sandwich like but and you're not going to forget it though but you have to do that. But you see what I'm saying? Because how many times in prison does that you? Yeah, yeah, cool. Get me in the next time. Hey, yo, bro. You owe me that such and such. Grab me a, grab me a six pack. A six pack, bro. You got me something for 50 cents. Yeah. No, I know. But it's the same thing nowadays. And that's what I don't like, I would do anything for you. And I don't ask for you. And I don't ask for a lot. But when I call you and I need you, if you tell me no, I'll never talk to you again. I've said the same thing. I've helped a lot of people. When I do ask for you, I expect it. Exactly. Because I don't ask for shit. Right. So when I do ask you, I don't get, you, you better

say yeah that's it and because you get a lot more from me than I can get from you right you know I've had people I've done things for 30 40 times I call for one stupid thing I get you a ride hey listen I'm dropping my car for the detail sorry I need to pick up on the car can you take me down there oh I got it no problem no problem as you use my car last 15 times when you have a car right don't call me again but and that's my problem the no emotion did know like I just cut you off like I'm just quick on that and that's why you said about the okay well fuck about it knows whatever they write on there show me one dude is doing better than me on that fucking any any of those comments right show me bring them up bring them let's all sit down the table

let's talk about what you think you know because I like exposing people too like I'm big on that like you know like if I know you're talking shit you know like my ex my ex she's not like call you out like people talk shit she like oh no it's fuck that we're at dinner we're at a real estate dinner and there's a there's a realtor in town that nobody liked she's just a fucking cunt, okay? And I'm probably four years home from prison this time. So my girl's fucking nice ones. She can sit with us.

Like, Michelle, I don't like that bitch. But okay, she's trying to steal Michelle's agents at the table to come work at her office. She's doing it kind of like a joke. Like, oh, you should go to her dad? That's serious. Okay. Because she knows Michelle wouldn't say anything. I'm like, I'm sitting for here.

I said, how about this? Get the fuck up and get away before I beat your boyfriend up too. get off the fucking table right and take your fucking food and get out of here. And I was like, oh my God, because people aren't used to that. Yeah.

But you don't do that. Like, you know, I'm calling you. I've talked to, because I know you're trying to steal Michelle's who makes her money. I don't think anybody will leave her, but you don't need to talk to her. We let you sit at this table

and now you try to be a fucking scumber. So I'm like, like, in you, like confrontation, people don't like conflict. I don't like it either. But if I got to do it, it's there. And straighten the people out because I want to, you know, this can happen.

Yeah, yeah. People will, they'll definitely, if they think anywhere, prison here, anywhere, if they think they can walk on you, take advantage of they will. It's the same thing. I mean, a stupid story, but my last ex-girlfriend, Stasia, I started dating her. She dated a mortgage broker, you know, in our neighborhood. My ex uses a lot.

So, listen, he was married, you know, he's going to divorce. They dated for it. I didn't know they really dated like that, you know. And we flipped, he and I flipped house together. Well, he finds out I'm with her. and he calls everybody I've ever talked to in my life and says, oh, you know, Devon's fucking Stacia. So I'm like, Blaze.

His thing's blazing. And I was like, is that what the fuck is wrong with that dude? If you have a problem, call me. You know my number because we make money together. Instead, he's calling my ex. He's calling my assistant. He's calling everybody like, you know, he's fucking Stasia. That's my boy.

But no, we didn't eat together, motherfucker. We made money together. Right. And she's not your chick. You know what I mean? And now every time I see him, he wrong. because he's a little fucking dude that thinks he gets...

What makes you think you can do that? Right. You know, it's just like, it's weird. But then once you check them, you got check him around again and then get in line. You know, it's just one of those things they forget because I think society

becomes so soft. Right. And the computer now hides everybody. Yeah, everybody's a badass. Listen, I'm the toughest motherfucker you ever met over the phone. Yeah. No, listen, I agree.

I think when you turn 18 as a man, you should get fucking knocked the fuck out. One time. No, I'm dead serious. Listen, because that would make you, it can really happen. Until you taste that blood in your mouth, you're a pussy. Yeah, well, you've really been, like you watch it in the movies and they get punched like 40 times and they're still going. Every, every prison, every fight I saw in prison, it was brutal.

Oh, yeah. And these guys are missing teeth. Like, fights aren't like in the movies of boom, boom, boom, no, guys have broken noses. They're missing teeth. They're pulling out knives. Oh, yeah. They look horrific. But listen, that's what happens because these kids.

kids and these are behind a computer screen, typing the shit, when you turn 18, you get punched, you'll think about it before you do that stuff. I think that's what we should make a law. I don't feel like that's going to go anywhere. No? No, I don't think anybody's going to back and get behind that.

I definitely think it's one of those things you should say on the reality TV show. That's the things I can't say. You know what I'll get canceled, which I don't give a fuck. But you got to, listen, you got to watch Ben Mala. I will, but I'm just saying,

what these kids nowadays, they just, you know, they think there's no, repercussion for the actions right and they oh and their parents are worse yeah he's 20 year like the kids growing up now i have no chance there's no there's no you know what i i because um my wife and i joke about this all the time uh is like like god it we better hope we don't get get into a war but i saw something the other day because there's like you if you had to draft all these kids like

it would be horrible i saw something the other day that that that it was a talk show you know well talk show it was a podcast and i don't think it was joe rogan it might have been, but I don't think it was. I can't remember who it was, but it was, the one guy was joking around about same type of thing. Like, yeah, these, like the, the military can't meet their quotas. Kids don't want to go in the military and not just like they either have, they're either suffering from mental health issues or they're, they're not, you know, they're just

not capable to do it. You know, they're too weak. They can't even meet the basic criteria to, they can't do pushups. They're not physical enough. They don't want to do it. They're scared. Whatever. The point is, and the guy was like, you know, you know, they're scared that, whatever.

The point is, and the guy was like, you know, Yeah, man, we're in a lot of trouble. And the one guy said, you know what's funny? He's like, you're saying that. He's like, but I think you're wrong about that. He goes, I think there's enough, if there was a war, there's enough people in Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee. He said that there's enough people that live out in the woods that drive pickup trucks

that would rush to meet those quotas and sign up. He said, and defend those poor people. those poor children that cannot fight for themselves and do nothing but run that run this country down those people would get up they'd fight and die for them 100% for the same people that make fun of them agree and i agree with that and he was he was like and i think there's enough out there but there's fewer and fewer all the time listen the kids even the testosterone levels you see that yeah down 400 points in 10 years what the fuck when i was in the gym is that mental or is that because there's listen they don't want you lifting weights when i was in the gym

Jim, I tried to lift every piece of fucking iron in there when I was a kid, you know, in my 20s even. I'm trying to lift everything. Right. I went to Anytime Fitness. We have a where, we luckily have a gym in my warehouse. I went to any, not anytime fitness, a planet fitness. I couldn't tell if they're a guy or girls and the fucking, some of the chicks were

lifting more than the guys. Right. At 20. I'm like, the fuck. Like what, where are we going with the soft shit? Right. Like there's no like toxic masculinity could be bad, but you still want, who's going to run in the fucking the house on fire?

Not these kids now. Yeah, you know, I mentioned the other, do you ever see Grady Judd? Grady Judd, and he's in a Polk County. Yeah. Polk County. He's the sheriff that does the. Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. He, like, listen, we laugh and laugh at those.

And they have these woke reporters ask them questions every once in a while. He just crushes them. And somebody was, I interviewed a guy, and he was like, yeah, those are the guys that I can't stand. Those police and this and that. And I said, you know, I get it. and I understand what you're saying and maybe he's over the top, but if I call at two in the morning,

that's the guy I want to show up. I don't want the guy who's saying, wait a second, let's try and figure out what's going on. I want the guy that walks in and grabs everybody and is rude and violates their rights and he'll handcuffs everybody immediately and assumes everybody's guilty

and is a bullish asshole. And we'll get everybody and figure it out. You know, not that soft-ass motherfucker. Like, that guy's not going to help me. He's not going to chase that guy. Grady Judd's going to run over for or five, fits is trying to get to him. And he's going to hit you with a mirror as he's driving by it.

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, he's, he's gangster. So I just, you know, listen, I don't believe you have to be super crazy. I don't want to be any tough guy. I'm not like that at all. I just don't like people talk shit. Like, talk shit, I don't care, but don't get my face and don't fuck my people. You know, like, you call me, listen, definitely somebody walked in, I'll be over in five minutes. Like, you know, I just, it's old school kind of, you know, now it's like, oh, well, let's, let's go on YouTube and see what to do.

No, motherfucker. Let's go handle it. You know what I mean? It's just, it's just, society's just different now. It's just, and it's not getting better. It's definitely not getting better. I mean, Jersey's terrible. Florida's a little better because it's a little red down here, but.

Yeah, I was going to say, it's funny. It's 95%, you know, everybody looks at Florida and they think, oh, it's all, you know, beaches. And they think Miami, you know, but it's really 95% pickup trucks and hunters. Oh, yeah, Miami, and South Beach, Miami didn't want to use to be. But that's not what people think when they think Florida. They think beaches and pretty girls in bathing, So there are some hot women here, you know. But a lot of it's, you know, it's a lot of just, you know, it's, it's very country.

It's much more country than it. Yeah. And like I said, but then you get like two countries like in the West Virginia where they fuck, you know, they're cousins and shit. You know, like that's, I don't want to be there either. So we got to find a heavy medium somewhere where the kids nowadays get a little tougher, a little stronger. I just lost all my West Virginia subscriber. Yeah, you did. I'm sorry, West Virginia.

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