Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Secrets Hollywood Doesn’t Want Public

Episode Date: May 9, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:30 Not available in all states. Have you ever wondered why songs on the radio are popular? Why does certain movies get made, even though the premise seems completely random? Why are concert tickets costing you $3,000, but nobody makes any money touring? Well, on my podcast, breaking down the biz, we answer all those questions and more. I'm Seth Schachner. I have over two decades of experience in the entertainment and the music industry, and every week I talk to insiders that lend insight and expertise on the media
Starting point is 00:01:00 you know and love, past, present, and future. Subscribe now on your favorite podcasting platform or watch us on YouTube so you never miss a beat. Let's make sense of this industry together. Jay-Z has a son named Rai Mir, and you see how old Rai-Mere mother was at this time. R. Kelly confirmed it. A lot of these people really worship Satan. Jay-Z's friend, Tata, has orchestrated the hit.
Starting point is 00:01:26 Don't interview Ronnie Boe because I've got to see some desist against him. R. Kelly, how does he enter into this whole situation? When R. Kelly arrived to MCC Chicago, I was on unit 15. He went straight to what people know as protective custody. My cellmate was a vice lord, and I was cool with these Latin King brothers, and they was like running the Latin King. So I felt like I could basically ensure R. Kelly that he would be safe. on general population.
Starting point is 00:02:02 I can imagine he was probably scared at first to be on general population, but he wasn't even convicted yet. I was actually in NCC Chicago for being framed in a drug distribution case. So I felt like it's a chance maybe he is anything. You know what I mean? Like, I want to give you an opportunity
Starting point is 00:02:23 to tell your side of the story through me. I had sent a kite to R. Kelly through this, dude named Keith Davis, who I actually befriended, and he was actually in the hole. And, you know, protective custody in the hole is basically the same in the fed. So I had managed to get a note to him, and he wasn't far from where R. Kelly was housed. So he basically told him, like, man, the guys on general population said, like, you good, bro. Like, you know, they don't think you did. You know what I'm saying? You would be better off. during your time on general population because then you have access to the phone all the time.
Starting point is 00:03:04 You could send emails all the time and you can move around. Once R. Kelly got the word and felt comfortable. And his attorney put the paperwork in and got him on general population. But when he first got out of general population, again, I was on unit 15 and they moved him to unit 19. They put me on unit 19 where R. Kelly was. Was that arranged or just a coincidence? Yeah, it was a coincidence.
Starting point is 00:03:29 But, you know, when I got there on the same unit with him, I was able to actually talk to him every day about, you know, the book and other things. He never really agreed to do the book. I just took notes from, you know, some of the things we talked about together and later, you know, decided to put some of these stories in other books. It's a part of my life now. It's not just I'm writing a book about R. Kelly. like I was in MCC Chicago. I met him. We had these talks.
Starting point is 00:04:02 So it's my story now. So you're having in-depth conversations with R. Kelly about this ring that exists or rings that exist. And like at that time, at that time, Diddy hadn't, he hadn't even been arrested yet, right? Nothing had happened. No. This was 2019 when I was first. Rumors. This is just back when there's still just rumors.
Starting point is 00:04:27 Yeah. So what have, what are some of those conversations? Like, I mean, well, you don't have to get into, you know, super in-depth into them, but you just touch on them. We initially started off discussing simple things like how the music industry is ran as far as business. But that was my way of like breaking the ice with them. Of course, I wanted to know more in-depth things like these so-called conspiracy theories. Like, do people really, like, sell their soul?
Starting point is 00:04:57 then what do that mean when they said they sold and what do people have to do and stuff like that. And the first time I actually addressed that to him. And so he basically sarcastically said that what you think going on with me right now. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't in compliance with what they wanted me to do. So, you know what I'm saying? If I were to continue to live how they wanted me to live and participate in things that they wanted me to participate in, this would have never happened.
Starting point is 00:05:27 man, but that's why I'm here. You know what I'm saying? They lynching me because I try to fall back from certain activities. A lot of those activities are with people been speculating. You know what I mean? Like people have to degrade themselves. Some people, you know, it's a science behind sacrificing a loved one. You know, even Jesus was a blood sacrifice.
Starting point is 00:05:52 You know what I mean? And that's like the people who, run the music industry they you know some of us are Christians or Muslims we believe in God or you know Buddhism or whatever but a lot of these people really worship and believe in Satan and the devil and they have certain practices that most people wouldn't understand like why would you have to sign a contract in blood why would you have to sacrifice a loved one like most people can't even fathom the idea of that, you know what I mean? But R. Kelly confirmed it.
Starting point is 00:06:34 A lot of those things go on. But you did end up writing a book. I mean, I understand it wasn't specifically about R. Kelly. But you wrote a book about kind of the industry. What is the book kind of cover? Well, I got a book out called The Holy Trapscripts. In that book, there's a chapter entitled The Media. So I go into the music industry and other aspects of the media in that particular chapter.
Starting point is 00:07:00 But recently, I published a book called Challenging the Luminati. I go a lot more in debt into music, the music industry, the impact and the influence that music has on the minds of people in general, especially the youth, you know what I mean, who's not mature enough to think for themselves. You know, the music kind of teaches them how to think and program them to perceive life in a certain way and feel like they're not in the end crowd if they don't dress a certain way, act a certain way. If they don't behave in a way, they make them seem like macho man and tough guys, you know, they, in today's culture, it's like, you have to, well, you don't have to, but most of the youth, especially like young black, Kids, teenagers, and young black men, they feel like you're not acceptable or respected in the streets if you can't say you somebody. And that's what the music is teaching them. I go a lot into debt about things like that and even deeper things as far as, you know, sacrifices and things of that nature. When you say sacrifice, you're talking about sacrificing family members, sacrificing their dignity.
Starting point is 00:08:20 kind of like the Cat Williams thing. How amazing is that? The Cat Williams interview. He sounded a little bit like a little bit like a crackpot. And within six months, boom, boom, people just start getting knocked off. I'm talking about the one with Shannon Shirt. Where he's saying, oh, wait, you wait, you wait and see. He's like, oh, yeah, watch.
Starting point is 00:08:43 People are, people are about to start in your 2000. What, do you say 2025? He said, was that, was it? He said something like, or 2024 is the year people, will be exposed. He sounded like, sounded like it was sour grapes a little bit, but then within months, bam, bam, just one person after another getting hit with indictments, a murderer being exposed. Kat Williams was a prophetic of him to speak that into existence. Like he had to see something and probably know, know something even. But you're absolutely right. I think that that interview actually
Starting point is 00:09:19 encourage more people to speak out about things because, but so long, like, you would never expect somebody like Kat Williams to go on a show like club, she, she, or whatever, and speak about certain things because, like, even today, like, a lot of podcasters tell me I can't speak about certain things. And that put me in a frame of mind that y'all, compromise you're all working for somebody you know what i'm saying why can't speak about this that and the other you know i mean i i can talk about this like so it showed that they're trying to push a certain narrative you know what i mean so it was like surprising knowing how the media work and for them to allow cat williams to uh go viral off that you know usually interviews like they get banned like
Starting point is 00:10:14 you got to think about jack war right interview with pierce morgan when she was exposing Jay-Z. Like, Jay-Z wasn't concerned with what she was saying at first, but when she went on Pierce-Morgan show, which is like more so mainstream, now it's like, okay, now we got to do something about this because now she's reaching the world and she reaching a major audience,
Starting point is 00:10:36 so people are going to start taking heed to what she's seeing. Well, I don't think Kat Williams was worried because I think, you know, most people wouldn't say something because they'd be afraid it was career ending, right? Part of Cat Williams' interview was about how because he wasn't willing to do these things, his career hasn't blown up the way it should have because he's fucking hilarious, right? Like he's one of the funniest comedians out there.
Starting point is 00:11:03 And yet why is it he, and he explains very clearly, like, I didn't get this role because I was unwilling to do this, didn't get this role because it's unwilling to do this, didn't get that, you know, and all these other roles were going to other people, even though I was, you know, I'm selling out arenas. I'm funny. You know, I'm charismatic. I can act. I've been in a bunch, I've been in several big films already that were hits. But because I wasn't willing to do the things, I'm not willing to wear a dress. I'm not willing to be play a gay guy. I'm not willing to. Like these are these should be minor things that any actor will say, well, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. There are big time actors that will like, well, I won't have a romantic scene with with someone like I won't, I won't make out. with another woman. Why? Because I'm, I'm a Christian, I'm married to my wife. I'm just not going to make out with someone. You know, and they work around it. So he, you know, I think he probably felt like he was already, it was already on a bad path. So he didn't have anything to lose. But a lot of people wouldn't say that. A lot of people that probably have the same information won't say anything because their career is going the way they want it to go. It's me, Roddy Bo. I'm finally in the studio with my good friend Matthew Cox. make sure y'all watch this whole interview in full because I have some great announcements.
Starting point is 00:12:19 One is that my new book, Conspiracy to Colonize Our Culture, the link is in the description. Y'all are going to love it. The things that you were just speaking upon with regards to Kat Williams, like, he is one of the greatest comedians of all times. And it's definitely a reason why he didn't get the opportunities that he deserved. And the same is true for R. Kelly. Like, for the record, I'm not trying to take up for R. Kelly, but a lot of the things that he spoke upon are believable to me because R. Kelly, even to this day, he, he one of the most accomplished musicians, R&B singers, ever, if not, number one. And if it wasn't for him, you know, not willing to do certain things, he would be at the time. top of the game right now because you got to think of all the people he wrote songs for.
Starting point is 00:13:17 He even wrote songs for Michael Jackson, you know what I mean? And a lot of other big name celebrities and singers, but he didn't get the rewards that he rightfully deserved. With regards to his accomplishments, like his music catalog alone was worth $1.2 billion, right? And it was worth that much before they named J-Z a billionaire and before they named Did he a billionaire, you know. But we saw our Kelly career start to decline, and that's, it's, that's rare. And there's something strange about that with him being as successful as he was and being a songwriter and having a catalog worth $1.2 billion is, it indicates there's something behind the scenes was going. on like and according to him you know there was things behind the scenes going on and one was that he
Starting point is 00:14:15 wasn't in compliance with certain agendas he wanted to produce different type of music they wanted him to over sexualize his music and they actually wanted him to do some very uh derogatory degrading things to be a man you know what i'm saying a man who respect and honor your manhood you know what I mean So he was punished for his lack of compliance, you know. And the whole time we had people out here like Jay-Z, who seemingly is just a genius businessman. And he got all these accomplishments now he possibly worth $2.5 billion. And his circumstances is just now turning into what it's something. seems like R. Kelly went through. If you can remember back in like 2001 or 2002,
Starting point is 00:15:11 R. Kelly was charged back then with doing some things with a 14-year-old girl. Right. And now, fast forwarded to today, Jay-Z, is being investigated for that and being sued already for doing some things with a 13-year-old girl, you know, a year younger than the one that R. Kelly was initially indicted for, you know. So you got to think about why now, you know what I mean? Is it because they realizing that they don't really need Jay-Z no more? Because I'm pretty sure that the incident that Jay-Z is involved in with the 13-year-old girl happened around the time that R. Kelly was charged for doing things with a 14-year-old girl.
Starting point is 00:15:58 If you look at my previous interviews, like I first went viral in the beginning of 2023, about, you know, my situation with Art Kelly. And even since then, I would... At Desjardin Insurance, we know that when you own a nail salon, everything needs to be perfect from tip to toe. That's why our agents go the extra mile to understand your business and provide tailored solutions for all its unique needs. You put your heart into your company,
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Starting point is 00:17:24 activity. So my only point was why is he not, why y'all still honor him? Because y'all think he didn't or because y'all don't know? Like, some of the facts was out there. His artist Foxy Brown, you know what I mean? Even his business partner, Dame Dash, said he never wanted to sign Foxy Browner, didn't want Dillings with her because of her age. But Jay-Z signed her.
Starting point is 00:17:48 He had songs with her where they're talking about sex and stuff like that, and she was only 15 at the time, and Jay-Z was 27. And only that. But allegedly, Jay-Z has a son named Rai Meir, who've been coming forward and been in the media a lot lately. and he'd been fighting for a paternity test for a while now, you know, and if Jay-Z was to ever take the paternity test, I'm pretty sure that Rhymir would come out to be his son. But that's not the issue. The issue is that when you go back in time and you see when Rai-Mere was born and you see how old Rai-Mir mother was at this time, you know, you would see that he had an underage girl pregnant all the way back then.
Starting point is 00:18:35 So, of course, he's not going to want to take the paternity test. You know what I mean? Because that's proof that you were a grown man with underage girl. Amir's trying to get Jay-Z to take a blood test because they want what, back child support or something along those lines. For some, or he wants to know that this is my father. He probably, that alone, even if he removed child support, you at the very least want to know this is, this, who's my father.
Starting point is 00:19:02 JZ doesn't want to take it because he doesn't want to, if he is the father, then that's 100% proof. So he doesn't want that out there. That always kills me the guys that dodge, you know, child support. It's like, okay, well, if you know that's not your kid, then take the test. Like, what's the problem? The only reason for you to dodge. You know, I mean, I have experience. I have a buddy who they're constantly looking for.
Starting point is 00:19:28 The only reason is because, you know, there's a chance. You know, if you're 100% positive, like, I've never had sex with that chick. I don't know who that chick is. She can't take the test. No problem. See, Ramir basically made it clear that he not doing it because he won't money from it. He wanted to be able to confirm what his mom said about Jay-Z being his father.
Starting point is 00:19:55 And he said, that's it. But of course, Jay-Z don't want to go through the process because if it's going to concluded that he is indeed the father, then we got to rewind the history back and say, well, she had this child when she was 16. So, and that's proven. And his mom is still around? No, his mom died mysteriously after publicizing that Jay-Z was the father to her son. A lot of people mysteriously dying in this kind of murky world of hip-hop and
Starting point is 00:20:32 And it's like a, it's a dark, dark world, you know, it's, there's a lot of, you know, it's, it's, it's so funny because like the conspiracies, I hate, I, I don't even want to say conspiracies anymore. I don't know how else to say it, but it's not even like it's conspiracies because like every time I say that, oh, yeah, it's just a conspiracy. That doesn't, that's conspiracy theory. That doesn't mean anything. Six months later, two years later, you find out, oh, actually, no, no, that's true. Really, you know, like all this stuff that's coming out about Jay-Z and all that stuff that is happening with you. And that's all pretty recent. You get out of prison.
Starting point is 00:21:05 You start kind of publicizing this, right? And you kind of, you start going on these, the podcasts and stuff. And you're pretty vocal about it. What, what happened? I mean, you know. You're, you're, are we getting it when I got shot? Three months after I first went viral talking about Jay Z? Or was it two months?
Starting point is 00:21:26 Or you, March, April, May, June. You had you three months. And you did some videos. And you started talking. talking about this, right? So you start talking about it. You go on a bunch of podcasts. It gets a bunch of views. I mean, you know, obviously, he's not happy about it, right? You know, it's funny is like, if you didn't get any traction, he would shrug it off. Or maybe if there's no truth to it, right, then he would just shrug it off. Like, there's no truth to that and that's just somebody
Starting point is 00:21:57 just running his mouth and that don't mean nothing. The concern is it gets traction. and people start looking into it, and they find out it's true. Right? So that's a real concern. Because if somebody lying about you and saying something and you're a celebrity, you just chalk it up to,
Starting point is 00:22:12 that's just part of the course. That's just what comes along with it. But you start getting traction on it. At one point, you're obviously becoming a problem. At one point, JZ, I mean, at least according to the FBI, right?
Starting point is 00:22:29 And you sent me the, I want to say it was an FBI. 302. But anyway, it was basically a document from the FBI where the FBI says that someone who had been, I want to say a confidential informant for them, let them know that somebody associated with Jay-Z had said that Jay-Z had put a hit out on you, you know, which in and of itself really doesn't mean anything, right? Like, it could just be some guy talking. Not that I think that the FBI would take that person seriously unless they they were like a trusted CI. But the fact is
Starting point is 00:23:05 you end up getting shot. Like what happened? Like they're trying to shut you down. The FBI is notified that that there's a potential hit because I think of the I think if the FBI had known that beforehand
Starting point is 00:23:19 and take it super serious then they probably would have tried to reach out to you, right? Like they know where you are. You're on probation. You just got out of prison. So I think they probably didn't take it super serious. or maybe they were looking into it or maybe they got that document at the same time or just afterwards. I don't forget when it was, it was just before or just after, when they were told.
Starting point is 00:23:39 I think the document was dated after. So anyway, you end up getting shot. I mean, what happened with that? Allegedly traveled to Brooklyn, New York to do a publicity stunt and Marcy Projects where Jay-Z grew up at. And allegedly, while I was there, I got shot. So fast-forwarding it up to the statement that you read, which is filed in the federal court, FBI informant, they wasn't like telling on me.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Like, I could be in trouble if they could find out that I was actually here, and I could only get in trouble because I didn't report the incident to my PO. and I didn't report that I was traveling to New York. You know what I mean? That's if that's the truth. I could get in trouble for that. But they was telling on Jay-Z's friend, Tata, saying that he orchestrated it. Like, they wasn't even directly telling on J-Z.
Starting point is 00:24:43 They were saying this dude Tata, who they identify as a close friend of J-Z, orchestrated the hit. You know what I mean? And when they questioned me about it, I said, it didn't happen. And of course, I grew up under the growth and development movement, which was formerly led by Larry Hoover, and I lived by certain principles and values. And one of those, you know, it's just not, we can't tell on people, you know what I mean? Rather he did it or not, like, I can't tell on Jay-Z. That's just, you know, against, totally against what I stand for.
Starting point is 00:25:24 and totally against what, you know, all of my close associates stand for. So I wouldn't even be looked at the same if I was to say, I know Jay-Z has something to do with me getting shot, especially to the FBI. You know what I mean? If I want to later come out and start speaking on these things publicly, you know, I mean, people may even consider that snitching. But, you know, just to sum it up,
Starting point is 00:25:53 I just can't, whether it's true or not, I can't and won't tell on Jay-Z. And this happened before his situation with the 13-year-old. So when I looked at that, that is like, what do Jay-Z got going on? Even before the lawsuit. Yes. Not before the incident, but before the lawsuit was even filed. Yes. So that shows they've been investigating him for things.
Starting point is 00:26:17 And even before the lawsuit with the 13-year-old came up, there were YouTubers saying that Jay-Z isn't under investigation because of me. You know what I mean? They was people even said that I've told on Jay-Z. Like the statement shows I didn't tell him. If you go back and look at the interviews, I never even told on him or admitted to anything publicly. However, fast-forward to now, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:46 if he has something to do with that, of course, we talked about this before. He felt like I can't go that route no more because now I'm hot, you know what I mean? And it's going to come back to me. So now I got to find another way to silence this dude or get him locked up or whatever I got to do to keep him from destroying my legacy and my reputation. And that was confirmed by Sean Kelly saying that Jay-Z reached out to him about the interview. Like, again, that would have been a huge opportunity. opportunity for me. And if I would have had the chance to speak on these things on that platform,
Starting point is 00:27:27 that would have led to other opportunities. And that's what he fears. He don't want, he don't want. You'd have the opportunity to continue to spread this message. So this. I do have a question. You're, when you got shot, like, did you see the guy? Was it at a distance? Right. Okay. So, all right. So scratch that. So anyway, No, you ain't got to scratch it, bud. No, no, I'm saying, so let's, well, right, we're not going to get anywhere there. Did anybody reach out to you and say,
Starting point is 00:27:59 hey, you need to tone it down, you need to step back, anything like that? Yeah, I was getting a lot of that. I was getting deaf threats. I was getting certain podcasters who wanted to interview me would say things like, I don't think you should say this about Jay-Z,
Starting point is 00:28:17 and I felt like maybe Jay-Z had his hands tied into them, somewhere like recently you text me or call me the other day and told me that Sean Kelly who was reaching out to do an interview with me right right now that would have been a major opportunity he won podcast of the year last year and just so happened you takes me and say hey Sean Kelly reached out and said he wanted to
Starting point is 00:28:48 interview you but did you say Jay Z uh reached contact him or Jay-Z attorney or he actually what he said was I saw your interview with Ronnie Boe Jay-Z sent me a cease and desist so I probably can't have him on I know he was reaching out to us on email great interview though okay and I put I responded why did you receive a cease and desist like it didn't it didn't make sense like why would you receive a cease and desist like why would you Why would he receive a cease and desist if he hadn't interviewed you yet? You see him saying? Like, why would anybody?
Starting point is 00:29:29 And then I didn't know by who? I mean, he said by Jay-Z, but Jay-Z's not probably sending out anything. It's his lawyer. So then he sends me a copy of the cease and desist. And in the cease and desist, it's not a cease and desist from Jay-Z's attorney to him. it's a copy of a cease and desist that was sent to your attorney, I'm sorry, to your probation officer. And so, and it's just, you know, cease and desist regarding conspiracy orchestrated by, you know, Ronnie and you might if I say your last name? Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Ronnie Martin, you know. And it's written to your probation officer. And then it goes on to basically say that you're like alleging, you know, a complete conspiracy. and the whole thing. So I told Sean Kelly, I said, this is the Ronnie's PO, not you. And he goes, I got it emailed to me. And I put, you know, understood, you know, sounds like they're trying to shut poor Ronnie down. And he goes, you didn't get one. And then I never even responded to that. That indicates exactly what you said. They trying to shut me down. And from his words, he said, did Jay-Z reach out to him? And then he showed the cease and desist. So I'm thinking,
Starting point is 00:30:53 thinking, it seems to me that is that he actually communicated with Jay-Z, and Jay-Z told him, don't interview me because now y'all put me on what was just rewarded the number one podcast in the world. So that type of exposure, when you get that type of exposure, it seems to the public like you more credible. And that's what they want to prevent. Like as long as the public's saying you lying and you're not credible, then they probably won't even care. You know, it don't even concern them.
Starting point is 00:31:31 But as soon as the public started looking into it and saying, well, he was just on digital social hour with Kelly. And he went viral on Matthew Cox. And now it's hundreds of thousands of people, maybe even millions of people talking about what Ronnie Bogart said about Jay-Z. Now I'm becoming a bigger influence. and that's what they feared. Like the case with Jaguar right, you know, Pierce Morgan, now she's being taking series, you know what I mean? Now you got your lawyer reaching out to Pierce Morgan saying,
Starting point is 00:32:05 we will sue you take the interview down, like, why? You know what I mean? Like if she's lying or whatever, like, I mean, I can understand they can still shatter your image, but why you all of a sudden taking this series? And then that was followed up by these allegations of the 13-year-old. So everything making sense now. You know, you can't keep saying people lying. You know, Jack War Right is like the voice of those who scared to speak up.
Starting point is 00:32:36 And some want to speak up, but they don't sign certain agreements to where it's like, I can't talk about this or I jeopardize this or whatever they put in the agreement. you know what I mean but now here we are like look at little baby i mean you probably not too much into hip-hop music but little baby was a few years ago the number one rap artist in the world grammy nominated double platinum records and he recently did an interview with charlemagne who is a mainstream person and his interview only did to this day like four years 5,000 views. You know, our last interview did
Starting point is 00:33:22 700-some-thousand views. So people like Jay-Z is starting to look at that, like, these YouTubers or influencers or whatever they want to call us are becoming a problem now. They're getting big. Like, people are
Starting point is 00:33:38 more interested than what Ronnie Bow got to say than with Little Baby got to say. And he sold millions of records. And Grammy nominated, maybe even a Grammy winner, you know what I mean? So now it's a different issue. So now that they're seeing how powerful and influential people like me could become,
Starting point is 00:34:02 now they have to intervene some way. Now they got to somehow, I don't even know how he figured out that Sean Kelly wanted to interview me. But now you contact him and say, don't interview Ronnie Bow because I got a cease and desist against him. And you're going to end up like, here's Morgan, I'm guessing. He's, you know, insinuated basically, you know what I mean? So that happens.
Starting point is 00:34:26 And now, obviously, like you just said, Jay-Z's trying to figure out how to shut you down. How do you keep you, you know, quiet? I'm sure he was thinking, one, you know, assuming he's involved, like you're saying, Assuming he's about one He's going to take you out completely and you're just not an issue anymore But since it didn't happen they're probably they were probably still thinking hey At least now he knows this is an issue he's going to stop talking but that's not what happened Instead you you went on my my platform
Starting point is 00:35:06 You know that video got whatever 750,000 views you went on Sean Atwood You went on did you go on Jaguar? Right after that also, you went on a bunch of them. We just, me and Jack were right on, on her channel. We discussed other things. And, uh, speaking, well, Stevie Knight, my interview with him did like $400,000. And I was already speaking upon these things on, uh, too strong podcast with Corey, even prior to that. But yeah, uh, it's been, it's been spreading.
Starting point is 00:35:38 Right. So you didn't, you didn't stop talking. You know what I'm saying? You did, like, what, what the, the goal was, of course, to get you to stop. Instead, what he does is he has his attorney write up a letter, an email, a cease and desist order, and he sends it to your probation officer. And I've, like, I've been through this, I got a cease and desist order sent to my probation officer. And I was brought down. I've got a phone call. Hey, where are you? I need you to be here at my office tomorrow at nine o'clock.
Starting point is 00:36:09 Like, you know, they don't give it. They don't care if you got a job. I don't get it. I was like, I, okay, so meet me at, I was very, she was very stern. Like, you be at my office. I was like, okay, luckily I knew what it was about. You know, it was a guy I had written a book on. He was trying to get the book taken down. He was trying to get me thrown in jail, you know, thrown back in prison. I go down there. She tells me what happened. This is what happened. I got a, I got a letter. This guy says that you're giving a hard time. It just, it alleged a whole bunch of stuff, you know. and it was basically telling me to stop talking about this guy.
Starting point is 00:36:45 Luckily, in his letter, the guy's a pathological liar. He said a bunch of stuff that was untrue. Like he had met me one time in prison. He never worked with me on a book. He never this. Luckily, I was able to pull a bunch of documents out and say, oh, he said he never worked with me? She was like, no.
Starting point is 00:37:02 I was able to show court links or emails from him where he typed up stories and directly to them to me and then giving me the stories, the printed out version with his name and regulation number and everything. So she was like, she's looking at these. I'm able to show her that. Then I said, he said, we didn't have an agreement or anything. She's like, yeah, I go, boom, and I show her a contract. So I got a contract with this guy, signed contract. And I said, if he, did he say that he, he says he didn't have, we don't have a contract and he didn't sign it. I flipped the page and I have a photocopy of my ID and his ID side by side on the same. picture or on the same paper. So obviously I laid them down on the on the coffee machine made a copy
Starting point is 00:37:47 at the same time. So we were clearly in the same room. And this is clearly his signature. So I show her all that and she she nodded and she was like, okay. She said, well, it's good that you have all this. Right. Like she's like, okay, okay. Because I can tell you right now, if I didn't have those documents, there was a good chance I might have my probation violated. And that's, so I know how serious it is when someone is sending stuff to your probation officer, because your probation officer doesn't want any problems. It's one piece of paper for them to fill out to get you thrown back in jail,
Starting point is 00:38:17 and then it takes you six months to a year to unravel that whole situation to get yourself back out. You are less paperwork in prison to them than you are out of prison. So that email was definitely directed to try and get you thrown back in prison. But you know what? I had a visit with my PO yesterday, and we talked about these issues. I have a hearing coming up February 4th revocation hearing, but it could go good and it could go bad.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Like the judge said at the last hearing, October 3rd, I believe it was, that if Ronnie comes back with no violations and he's in compliance, then he'd been on papers for over three years now, so we had let him off. but if he come back with any more violations because I have, I sent you my court documents. I have allegations of pistol whipping somebody. That's serious. It's the reason I'm not locked up. You know what I mean? There's no witnesses said that this dude walked up to me with a gun.
Starting point is 00:39:23 So whatever I did after that was self-defense. Okay. Then I got people, YouTubers going live, calling my PO live, showing their audience and putting my PO number on the screen saying Ronnie Martin is part of a RICO based in the United Kingdom. I'm assuming the only people I'm affiliated with out there is Sean Atwood and his team. So I don't know where that's coming from, but many other allegations they made. But with all these allegations, my PO basically said, well, look, there's no
Starting point is 00:40:00 proof. If I had proof, trust me, I will lock you up. I will have to lock you up. But I'm not going to even bring these allegations in front of the judge because there's no proof. And you were already facing revocation for allegations there was never proven. So we can't just keep on bringing forth allegations with no proof. You know what I mean? So even under all these circumstances, deceased, they can try to silence me. I'm, I'm, I'm, still good, you know what I mean? Like, I, uh, I got a different force behind me. And people will assume that I'm some ignorant, illiterate guy, but I, I know what I'm doing. You know what man? I know things I can and cannot say without having legal consequence. And another thing I
Starting point is 00:40:52 want to mention, because there have been a lot of bloggers insinuating that, you know, they're going do it anyway. Every story that just seems too good to be true, they assume you lie, right? So with regards to the situation, you just explain what to do you was locked up with. You got to think,
Starting point is 00:41:13 why has Art Kelly never came forth and tried to do that with me? Why he never came forth and say Ronnie Bowline? Now, I have proof. It's documented history that I was locked up with Art Kelly. I have a law
Starting point is 00:41:29 with him a part of the lawsuit from when we was in MCC Chicago together between 2019 and 2021, you know, but I mean, although his brother, Bruce Kelly, his brother actually did an interview were too strong about me and he confirmed that, yeah, they cool, but he basically said, or Kelly is leery of me because he don't know my angle. He don't know why I'm being nice, why I help him get on general population. And to this, to this day, like, R. Kelly is in jail and he's safe. And R. Kelly noted he's safe to this day because of me. You know what I mean? And that's not, some people could take that the wrong way and see that as a threat. But I'm not saying that if I wanted to go against R. Kelly, something bad to happen to him. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying
Starting point is 00:42:25 he's safe now because of me and he know that. So it's a reason why, and that's one of the reasons, but there's other reasons why R. Kelly never came forth and said Ronnie Bowline. And then you got to think he won't call me directly for certain reasons, but he will call people like Wack 100. I don't know if you're familiar with do. I mean, a lot of people in the urban community are familiar with him. He's not no factor, but he get a lot of views on YouTube.
Starting point is 00:42:59 And I say he's not a factor because his whole movement is to down other people and try to expose other people, even great people, you know what I'm saying? But for some reason, R. Kelly family and associates told him, when you want to call and get a message out, call Wack 100. Like, why you didn't just call me? I could have got you on inside true crime. with Matt Cox and you over there with Mac Wack 100 on Clubhouse and when you call him, you don't even get 10,000 views but I'm the one out here, you know, changing your image and making people look at you like, well, maybe he not gets you. Like, why you, why you didn't call me? And I'm going to tell you why, R. Kelly is terrified of people like Jay-Z and the people that Jay-Z have
Starting point is 00:43:51 behind him. Like, his brother stated publicly in an interview that he felt like I'm putting Arkelly life endangered by speaking on these things. You know what I mean? Okay. I don't know why. I mean, it doesn't sound like you're saying anything derogatory about him. You're not, you know, like, and there's plenty out there to say this derogatory.
Starting point is 00:44:13 You're not addressing that at all. You're like, that's just, he's already locked up for that. That's whatever, whatever it is, right? And you're saying that he's perfectly fine and that he's safe. And so. But see, R. Kelly, he know some of the discussions we had. And everybody should know. R. Kelly know a lot that he don't speak on.
Starting point is 00:44:33 And he probably regret talking to me and other inmates about certain things, especially me. Like the other inmates probably don't have the associations to, you know, podcasts and articulate those conversations. But now it's like, this dude is in the spotlight and he's talking about things we discussed and that should have stayed between me and him. And his brother even admitted that R. Kelly is scared of JZ and people behind JZ for certain reasons. You know what I mean? Like when they was on tour together, when they went to Madison Square Garden, R. Kelly, I mean, J. Z had somebody pepper spray R. Kelly, you know, and messed up the performance.
Starting point is 00:45:18 But before then, R. Kelly was saying that Jay-Z had his people sending him threats telling them don't even come near. You know what I mean? Like, Jay-Z wanted the show for himself. He wanted to, he knew that he could sell out this arena because R. Kelly name is attached to it. You know, he later became big enough to sell out arenas by itself. But at that time, he couldn't do it with R. Kelly. But he wanted that spotlight to be able to say, I did a sold-out event. at Madison Square Garden just by myself, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:45:53 And he went to some extremes to do that. And according to Bruce Kelly, Diddy was actually on the stage with Jay-Z during the incident. So they've been had, they've been had these little ties. Like they've been working together. And it would be foolish for people to think that if Diddy is guilty of the things that they're saying that Jay-Z just ain't did. None of this, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:46:23 Like, I'm a straight man and I honor my manhood, right? I don't have nothing against the LGBTQ community or gay man. However, you're not going to see me hanging out with a gay man because my manhood is on a line. That would make me look strange, weird, you know what I mean? So if Diddy and Jay-Z was as close as they obviously was, Like, what's the chances of Jay-Z at least not knowing what did he had going on, if not engaging in it?
Starting point is 00:46:55 And when I spoke out about that, you know, I tried to hold it in because, you know, our Kelly family, particularly his brother, Bruce, was asking me not to speak on certain things. At this point, I have to. In communities across Canada, hourly Amazon employees earn an average of over $24.50 an hour. Employees also have the opportunity to grow their skills and their paycheck by enrolling in free skills training programs for in-demand fields like software development and information technology. Learn more at aboutamazon.ca. Speak on certain things because my life is already in danger, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:47:43 So they are already trying to blacklist me. They are already trying to silence me. What do I got to lose? I might as well get my story out. You know what I mean? While I'm here, you know what I mean? So on Stevie Night Show first spoke out about the fact, well, I ain't going to say a fact. I got to say allegedly.
Starting point is 00:48:04 But I spoke out about how Jay-Z had relations with Diddy, and they had to make these arrangements, you know, as like for the same reasons why people have to sell. they sold you know you got to be in compliance you got to you got to do certain things to give allegiance to the people above you to show that you not getting beyond yourself you know we put you in this position you know we we raised you and and we we planned this out for you you not here because of yourself you know i mean we put you in this position and we know that sometimes people get out of line, so we need to have something on you to make sure that you don't get out of line. And these people are what? You think, like the executives, like the people that run the entertainment industry or music industry?
Starting point is 00:49:05 Yeah, they're the ones with the real control, you know. You think that R. Kelly will end Ditty for that matter in this one because they're both custody. Do you think they're concerned about like a, you know, getting, what do they call it, being Epstein, you know, like you keep saying that he's, he's concerned or he's worried, like you think he's worried about, worried for his life that something like that could happen? Yeah, because I guess the public didn't know that R. Kelly know a lot until I start speaking on things, but it's like, come on, you, you was the biggest name in the music industry. You wrote for Michael Jackson and all these other big name musicians.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Like, what's the chances of you not experiencing what they say? All these other big time celebrities and musicians had to go through. People know R. Kelly know what's going on. And he just afraid to speak out on it. You know, it's they actually have like a brotherhood that Jay-Z is a part of, Diddy is, like, it's no conspiracy theory or speculation no more. Like, LeBron James and a lot of other celebrities, like, they are part of a brotherhood and its consequences when you speak out or go against what, you know, happens within the
Starting point is 00:50:34 bounds of his brotherhood. It's consequences. And R. Kelly knows that. So just like, what's his name? Epstein? Well, you know, he got, you know, convicted. He's going to prison. and then suddenly, you know, people are worried about him talking, cooperating.
Starting point is 00:50:49 They're worried about him, you know, publicizing a list that, you know, and next thing you know, offs himself, you know, supposedly offs himself, right? Like, you know, all the conspiracies between whether or not that's true or not. But it was convenient that by the time he finally gets to a position where he's really his only choice of to get out of prison or to do the mitigate the sentence is by starting to cooperate. and throw, because, you know, you can, you can fight your, do your appeals, everything else, but he's done, you know, so he's, people are concerned he's going to cooperate. And next thing you know, boom, he suddenly ends up unalived in his, in his cell.
Starting point is 00:51:31 Though, you know, it's like when you say he's worried or he's scared, like, you know, I'm wondering, to what degree are you scared? Are you scared you're going to, that you're going to be sued? Are you scared that they're, you know, you see what I'm saying? Like, there's different degrees of being. scared is his you think his fear is no no no his fear is the guards show up the next morning and he don't come out of his self or count his his brother bruce kelly made that clear on too strong podcast he he told corey during the interview that uh i asked ronnie bow to stop speaking out
Starting point is 00:52:04 on these things because i'm i'm in fear for my brother's life i don't want nothing to happen to my brother while he's in jail you know i mean and it's because i'm speaking speaking out on things. Is that because of the inmates or because of the system in general? You think that these people have enough power that they could just send somebody in there to... Dude.
Starting point is 00:52:27 It's common. Because he's in general population right now. He had any problems. A lot of guys like that aren't going to have problems, right? Like they could pay for protection. You put... Not R. Kelly, though. Like, bro, you would think with him being as big
Starting point is 00:52:42 and as accomplished as he is, did he still have money? Like, at the most, why I was in MCC Chicago with him, he had like 20-some thousand on his books. The feds took all that off his books at once. And then from there, he was, he had the order through other people. Like, how this person sent you $100 and you get me this? You know how I'd go in there.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Well, that's how they do protection. Like, you're like, hey, you know, I'm going to, somebody's going to send you 400 bucks a month, you know? and then you do that with three guys, nobody, if it's the right three guys, nobody bothers you. So I'm not saying he's,
Starting point is 00:53:22 he can't really move himself, but he can, you pick the three biggest guys or most dangerous guys or most respected guys. Sometimes it's not the biggest guy, it's just the most respected guy. You pay 400 bucks on this guy, this guy, this guy, and then you put a little bit of money
Starting point is 00:53:36 on a couple other guys that are buying you. 75% of the money is going towards my commissary, and you guys keep 25%. Like, that's kind of sometimes. That's typical. Or you say 50-50s, you're gouging me. You know what I'm saying? But typically about 25%, 30% and something like that.
Starting point is 00:53:53 So that's, you know, and he can live, like he, so he should be, I'm saying, protected, you know, like not feel, like he shouldn't feel unfair of the inmates who he probably feels inferior. Yeah, he's not in fear of the inmates at all. I mean, we know how I go, but, you know, the inmates could. You know, Jay-Z, probably know people locked up too, you know. But I just think that where he at and, you know, the relationships that we all built while in MCC Chicago, you know how I go in the feds, like certain things spread. Like, you get here, you already know somebody who's going to be there. And you tell them, I know this person and they vouch for you.
Starting point is 00:54:40 So just as Art Kelly, he's safe. in that sense. Like the inmates don't want to do nothing to them. But you know how I go, though. Somebody could pay the inmate to do something to them. You know, those guys can't be with you all the time. But yeah, like... Is he at a medium?
Starting point is 00:54:57 Or is he in a medium or is he and FCI buttoner. What is that a low? Well, FCR is a medium. Okay, yeah. Never mind. I was going to say if he's a low, he's probably not much danger at all. But at medium, there's dangerous people in the mediums. their guys that, yeah, they're serious people.
Starting point is 00:55:15 Yeah. What's going on with Jaguar, right? Like, I mean, there's, like, a conspiracy out there now that people are saying, like, you and she are, what, conspiring that you had said there's some thing out there that is circling about a conspiracy? Yeah, I think Jay-Z is directly behind that, too, because he saw the impact that Jaguar Wright was having, and he saw. that people were starting to listen to what I had to say,
Starting point is 00:55:47 and he saw that me and her were communicating. You know, she mentioned me several times in several interviews. I went live with her on her channel before. I mentioned her several times, so people noted we were cool to say the least, but they tried to make it seem like we were, like, bonded on a different level. Like, we talk every day and we sit back and come up with plans and say, look, we're going to say this about Jay Z next and then we're going to have this person
Starting point is 00:56:17 say that Jay Z did something to them. That's how they're trying to make it seem. And they... You were both talking about this. She's been talking about this forever. You've been talking about this on your own before you even connected with her. Yeah, well, it's a lot going on. Like, I even get...
Starting point is 00:56:38 I had got an email that somebody forwarded to me was basically... saying look what Jaguar Wright sent me and I didn't even I didn't even think twice did it was really hurt when I saw the email like the email was her bashing me apparently that's that was the appearance it wasn't her to get that straight but somebody made a email and made it seem like this was Jaguar right and then she had emailed somebody else and then they forwarded to me said look did you know jag were right was behind your back saying this and i didn't even like i get a lot of stuff like that and i told jag myself that i get a lot of messages like this but this is how i handle it so i don't have to bring it to your attention every time just know i'm not
Starting point is 00:57:30 going to go against you for nothing in the world you know what i mean and we got that understanding but you know i guess they thought we was like coming together and and make you know and making plans together and they could probably see the potential of me and her working together. You know, we could probably do great things. But to prevent that if we was making plans together, they want to make our association with each other seem like something criminal, a conspiracy. And that's what they put out there, you know, that's what was sent to my probation officer, that I'm a part of a conspiracy with her.
Starting point is 00:58:12 I'm a part of a conspiracy with somebody in the UK, some type of RICO, like all type of just outrageous things that they think would silence me and make me stop getting on these platforms and speaking out. But, of course, like, I'm not going to ever stop, you know. Matt, I think you should actually interview a friend of my, his rap name is Jacket Down. He was in mainstream media a while back in a breakfast club and a lot of other mainstream sources for not so good of a reason. However, I think you should interview him because he had personal experiences with Diddy. He'd been to a Diddy party and he didn't, I mean, he didn't really see nothing outrageous, but the vibe and what people was doing, he didn't want to be around.
Starting point is 00:59:09 And he left. And Diddy didn't like that. So did he, you know, they had their ways to blacklist people. And when you don't want to cooperate or sign with them or be a part of what they got going on, they find ways to, like, ruin your career and your reputation. So, you know, then you, they want you to feel like we can't be successful without Diddy or Jay-Z or certain people. You know, they gatekeepers. That's how they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they,
Starting point is 00:59:39 They want that type of power and they want everybody to accept that they have that type of power. So that's a – I threw that out there. I already told him that you may be willing to interview him about those experience. But in closing, I have a few announcements that I want to make to my supporters. That is, now the last interview I did with Matt Cox, please understand it. That interview did over 700,000 views, and I gave out my personal cell phone number during this interview. And I've been working hard to send everybody a free ebook, Matt.
Starting point is 01:00:22 And I managed to send at least 6,500 people a free ebook myself through texting and email. However, I still have like 1,600 the last time I checked. I have to catch up with. And that's not, that's not, I can usually cover maybe 100 people an hour. So I say I'll sit down for four hours a day, try to do that. I should be done in about four days. So I'm going to make sure everybody get that book. But for the ones who did receive it, I need y'all to speak up in the comment section
Starting point is 01:00:59 and just let people know you received your e-book, you know. And now I have a new book coming out. It's entitled conspiracy to colonize our culture. I'm going to be exposing some people, some podcasters. You know, everybody not like you, Matt. You know, people have agendas. I had a podcaster. They wanted me to set up a YouTube page and Patreon and things like that through them for them to run it.
Starting point is 01:01:31 And they assure me that they could get me at least. least 2,000 subscribers at $8 a subscriber, right, which would have been $16,000 per month. However, they try to control my narrative. You know, they thought that they could buy me out, and I ain't like that. And I turned the opportunity down because, like, I want to speak about things that I feel like I need to speak about for a certain reason. Like, I'm a man to God, and even all my books, I feel like God actually work. work through me to write those books.
Starting point is 01:02:08 And I'm really dedicated to where I believe my purpose is in life. So I'm exposing a lot in that book. I think your audience would be very interested in that book. Just so y'all know, y'all got to be mad at Matt because he told me don't give this one out for free. That was him. I don't understand why he would give anything out for free. Well, I felt like with me being.
Starting point is 01:02:35 The new comer. Two box, five bucks, something. You know what I'm saying? Something. That's what I'm going to do this time. I'm going to just set the price for five books. Shout out to Brittany. Thanks for connecting me with Brittany.
Starting point is 01:02:46 She working on a website for me. Now she put the other books out. Another thing I want to let my supporters know is that I am like permanently banned on Facebook, which makes me permanently banned on Instagram as well. Really? They haven't done that to too many people, I can name a few, Alex Jones, I believe, David Ike, and Minister Louis Farrakhan. So why Ronnie Boe?
Starting point is 01:03:16 You know, I know I'm not making that much of an impact as those guys were, but it's a reason for that. So start looking into the things that I say. It's the reason that the world don't want these things to be publicized, and we got to thank people like Matt Coxford, allowing me to publicize certain things. not holding back. Matt, I believe we are like one of a kind. We come from similar paths. You know, we've been to the fed, so I can understand why you would let a guy like me get on your channel and just say whatever I want to say, and I appreciate that. But some people don't,
Starting point is 01:03:54 they're trying to really silence me. And my final announcement is that, believe it or not, like, I don't gang bang, don't more, but I grew up, what you would call a gangster disciple. we refer to it as the growth in development movement, those who come from that organization. I'm not a part of that no more, but there's a mega star named Kanye West. He goes by the name Yay now. He has certain ties to that organization. And within the organization, we have this philosophy that we aim and assist all brothers of the struggle in all righteous endeavors, right? So believe it or not, but I got in contact with Kanye West and I have a new album coming out.
Starting point is 01:04:40 He actually gave me a lot of insights about the industry, you know, and particularly people like Jay-Z. But we did have a business talk as well. And he is willing to produce instruments, the beats, for a few of the songs on my album and possibly a verse. So people can expect that. And I'm happy to announce that to my supporters. And other than that, look for the new book, conspiracy to colonize our culture. And by time you see this interview out, you should have the link in the description, right, man. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:05:17 Did you see the Mark Zuckerberg kind of the new improved Mark Zuckerberg where he did a little video saying, well, we're going to be making some changes and we're not going to be. basically censoring the content anymore, right? They're getting rid of their fact checkers because he realizes that they have an agenda or some of them have agendas and that he's going to do more like community notes and not be taking down stuff. So maybe there's a way for you to get back on Instagram and Facebook. Like that might be, I wonder if you can appeal it somehow with their new policy. We suspended your out. Okay. And then I can't even create another, like every time I try to create another account
Starting point is 01:06:08 they got anything to do with Ronnie Bowen is, no, this account seems to be associated with an account that we suspended. Like, wow, y'all got this. I know y'all got the technology, but you're all watching like that, no? So hopefully Facebook's much easier to deal with and more friendly. and maybe you can get your account back up. If you want to be able to contact you, where do they find you at since, you know, Facebook and Instagram or down?
Starting point is 01:06:37 The website should be in the description and I gave my phone number out again. Well, I gave it out, but I'm not going to do that again because I received too many calls. I'm pretty sure if I take it off D&D right now, there are going to be calls flooding in and texts. And then if I can't send the e-books on time, people are going to get frustrated. So I'm not going to do that again. But when I gave the number out, the benefit in that was that I was able to build a mass email list for constant contact and a mass text list. So the people who reached out interesting in that book, now I have a way to constantly contact them. So even though I gave the first book out for free, the last book out for free that is, now with the new book,
Starting point is 01:07:28 I can send it to them and Matt said charge $5 and I'm pretty sure people will be happy to pay $5 this time. It would be hearing me in the Thomas. Shut up, man. Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching. Do be a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this and share the video that really does help us. It helps us spread the message.
Starting point is 01:07:47 Also, we're going to leave all of Ronnie's links in the description box. So go in there. You'll be able to just click on the link and shoot over to his website and get over. or get the book. And maybe he'll even have an Instagram up by then. Once again, I appreciate you guys watching. Please consider joining our Patreon. It's $10 a month and it really does help us make videos like this.
Starting point is 01:08:11 Thank you very much. See you.

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