Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories

Episode Date: January 19, 2025

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I'm like, little help. I started crying. And my lap, just crying. I'm like, can somebody? Hey, you guys, me and Tom Simon went to a comedy show recently and we met Carl. Carl was the headline act, and that's how he it up on the podcast. Sorry. I missed the behind the behind the scene story. What? How are you in prison?

The quick version, uh, is, I'm going to do. Yeah, you want to see her. Yeah. The quick version is I was a mortgage broker. I owned a mortgage company, which, uh, in Florida is not hard to do. You know, you take your class. You get your, take your little class. You get your little certificate. And for back then, for an extra $250, you could become a brokerage business. Then you hire other guy. So I was a mortgage broker for about a year, year and a half. And then I hired, I started my own company and hired a bunch of guys. And then so I'm getting a piece of what they get. And very quickly, I had a dozen guys. The problem is from the very first loan I ever did contain fraud. And it's like, you know, what guys are like kind of like soft frog where you had a verification

of rent. And my borrower had been 30 days late on her rent like a year and a half ago. But that's a deal killer. She's not getting a 95% loan. That's a over you're done you're done yeah so you know I whited out make a copy I was told by my manager this is what I do put it in there then never find it sure enough the loan clothes made like 3,500 bucks and the next guy that comes in you know he he made $55,000 on his W2 that year he made 60 he could get the loan well I got a degree in fine arts so I white it out I fix the thing I send it in boom loan closes so very quickly by the time these guys are work for me, we're all doing fraud. Within, let's say, two, three years, I get in trouble.

It's complicated, but I was buying houses, renovating them and selling them to my mother to get around something called seasoning. I mean, my mother, sorry. Did I just say my mother? My wife at the time. So you could buy a house, renovate it, but you can't refinance it for a year at the new value. Got it. They make you wait a year. So, but I could buy it, renovate it and sell to my wife at the time in her maiden name. So it's like a quick refite. Anyway, what ends up happening is, A friend, the guy that, a woman that worked for me started her own company. She got in trouble. She worked with the FBI.

They, they bust me. But there was no dollar loss. So I get three years probation. And I get divorced from my wife. And what I decided to do was I decided, okay, I could go sell used cars, you know, and go moving my parents old, my old bedroom, start my life over again, claim bankruptcy. Or I could just keep doing what I'm doing. I'm very good at it.

This was a fluke that I got caught. So I figure out how to get social security to issue me social security numbers to children that don't exist by making fake birth certificates and fake shot records. And I get, and then I then build a credit profile on each one of those. I then went into Ebor City and I bought houses for $50,000, did $5,000 or $10,000 renovations, but I recorded the sale of those houses at $200,000 in each one of these people's names. I then refinanced those houses at the $200,000 level and the banks were lending me 180,000, 190 to 10, 180, whatever.

I only got 50 in it, but I just made $100,000, $120,000. I would make the payments for six months and let them go in a foreclosure. And each one of these guys bought, and there's probably 10 of them, eight or 10 of them. Each one of them bought five or six houses. So I would make about a million and change on each one after the cost, maybe six, 700,000. Then I just kept buying and buying. And I drove the value of the area up from a medium, price of about 100, 120,000 to 300,000. That's what Forbes said. So I borrowed $11.5 million

doing that. My mortgage company had done about 40 million in taxes and fraudulent loans because I was still helping them because I sold it to a guy that was a CPA. Anyway, eventually the FBI comes to arrest me again because, you know, you're not allowed to do that. And so they come to arrest me. I go on the run. I'm on the run for three years. I borrowed another three and a half million dollars. I get caught in the bank then. I was actually handcuffed. But by that point, what I was doing was I started, because you can't, these fabricated individuals that I was making, I could get an ID in their name. Like I could go in the DMV and get them to give me an ID, but I could never get a driver's license. So what I did was, and don't judge me, I started surveying homeless

people. And so I got the homeless people's information and I would then go get a driver's license in their name in one of the states where they didn't have a driver's license. And since I didn't get a passport and I was traveling and whatever. And so I end up doing that. Like I said, did another three and a half to four and a half million, depending on who you believe. And after three years, and actually, like I said, I got caught one time.

That actually has changed the scam that time. I actually just started buying houses. And then I would go downtown. I'd create a fake satisfaction of mortgage. And I'd satisfy the loan and public record. So now I own a $250,000 house with no mortgage on it. And then I'd go to like four or five. different banks and borrow money against the house all at the same time.

So they'd lend me like $11,000, I'm sorry, like $1 million or $900,000, $1.3 million. So I pulled that money out. One time I got caught in a bank, handcuffed brought downtown. I was number one on the Secret Service's Most Wanted List and I convinced them that they had the wrong guy. I haven't done anything wrong. My name is Gary Sullivan. Yeah.

And they let me go. That was going to be my next question. Is it like a gambling high or is it like these people are stupid? and I'm just going to keep going. Because I feel guilty for nothing. Like, I could do nothing and I'm still like, what did I do? I don't have any guilt. I don't have any guilt.

I mean, look, that's genius. It's like kind of amazing, the psyche, yeah. Yeah, you can't expect a criminal. Most criminals are psychopaths, so you can't really expect a criminal. Well, no, I had a cop light up right behind me and I was like, what did I do? And I'm like under the, you know, and I'm guilty. but he then he passes me and I but I was still like questioning like what did I do oh listen I got clearly I did something I got pulled over so many times as this one guy I had to go to traffic school

as him because I was about to lose his license and I kind of want to lose his license I got a car and a like that is a lot to keep track of as a matter of fact that guy I legally had his name changed just to see if I could do it just to go through the process and actually paid a lawyer to change his name because you know I had the same name as him so I wanted to go through it. the process like i was always doing trying to figure stuff out why did so you had you obviously clearly had like enough money why don't you yeah that's so that's the whole thing is to answer that question it starts off as if i could just get my bills paid sure and then it becomes you know if i if i just had like if i could just get like a hundred grand in the bank i'd have a cushion i'd feel better okay

and then it's 500 and then you get to a million and then get to two million and then the line is just blurred and you just figure you know what i'm so fucking good at this they're never going to catch me because I've been caught many times. I've been arrested, brought downtown, convinced them the bank made a mistake. You need to let me go. They let me go. I've been chased by the U.S. Marshals. I've been caught by the banks, had meetings with lawyers, been caught, been told, we're calling the FBI. This is fraud and said, look, let me just pay you back. You can call the FBI. You'll never get your money back, but I can cut you check right now for 200 grand. You can't do both. You call the FBI. You're going to get a fucking house that's worth 40 grand back. Or you want your 200 grand. Which one?

Do you want the FBI digging through your files? And then it's, you know, it's someone like Washington Mutual. They're like, you have the $200,000? I do. So eventually I get caught. I go to prison. I end up doing 13 years. There's more of that story, too, but I get 13 years.

So I got out five years ago. Wow. Like, first of all, you have a brilliant mind. They should be interviewing you. Where's my wife? I know. Where's my wife? Are this on?

Yeah. Yeah, you've got to record this. Like, that's a lot to keep track of. Right? Like, holy moly. What's funny is the, yeah, do you remember the guy that I was with? The retired FBI agent? Oh, yeah, yeah.

So he's, he comes on the podcast all the time. His name is Tom Simon. And he's, he's a, remember he was a private investigator, Florida, licensed Florida private investigator, and he's a retired FBI agent. Really? Yeah. Really? He investigated financial.

Financial. Was that the guy I talked to? Yes. Oh, that was. Yes, you were sitting right there. I didn't know. That's the guy I meant. What do you do?

He's like FBI. Yeah. And I was sitting right. I was with him. But it's so funny because. I didn't ask you. Yeah, well, I was going to mention that. So it was hilarious about that was that my wife sitting next to me.

So you went from the guy next to us and you're joking with him. Yeah. The people behind the one guy, right? The guy is, oh, you didn't. I didn't even tell Colby this. The gambler guy. Yeah, yeah. That was a weird story.

And then, you know, I wanted to turn around and say, hey, bro, like, if you can talk about that for an hour, we could do a podcast. Like, this is not bad. And so then you went, then you skipped me. Then you talked to Tom's son. Then you, and Jess looked, my wife, she looked at me and she's like, oh, boy, what are you going to say? And this guy hits you and starts giving you a hard time. And then you jump, you skipped me and went to Tom. And I was just like, I was like, it's so weird, right?

Yeah, I was like, boy, I said, what's funny is I'm about to blow all these fuckers out. Yeah. When you hear this. Yep. He's, he was the headlong. Stand-deven comedian. You're calling out people. I just, you know, and it's funny because I don't riff.

Works the crowd. I don't even riff that much a lot of times when I'm doing a set, but it was a small group. Yeah. And that environment, you know, is conducive. And then plus the guy, I don't know, people, it just was an interesting crowd. But the fact that I hit almost everybody. And then it, and went, skipped over. Oh, you skipped over that.

So many times. Yeah. Jess was like, when we left, she goes, what would you have said if he had asked you? What do you do? I said, I would have said, I run a true crime podcast. And then she was like, she goes, well, she said, do you think he was said, I said, of course. He's immediately going to say, oh, wow, how did you get into that? Yeah.

I said, I'm going to say, oh, well, I did 13 years in federal prison for being a con man. I said, and then it's going to explore. You're off the hook in the back. Right. And then he's going to start asking questions. and I have all these funny things. But it was so funny, too, because the crowd was so small, I thought, what, these guys are going to, I don't, these guys are going to ignore, they're not even going to mention how

small this crowd is, that we're in a movie theater. Yeah. And we're, and there's 27 people in the crowd or 24 people. Nobody's even going to address that. But then everybody did address it. And then you came in and you addressed it. And I thought that's what was hilarious. You know, they're all like, well, you know, hey, so I'm a stand-up comedian.

But, I mean, based on the crowd, you can see, I also have a regular job. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, they all go into the, and then they start joking around about the crowd. And, you know, we're in a movie theater. Like, you know. Last night, it was funny. There was, like, a whole family and they had shirts on. What did it say?

Oh, yeah, the fun family. Forced family fun, shirts. I mean, it was funny. And then there was this kid. And Carl's, you. you know, like, you're the grandma, you're the mom, okay, da, da, da, da, like figuring out of everybody's family and then, oh, you're the grandson. And he kept, like, going to the grandson, okay, grandson.

And then finally he's like, what's your name in Zach? Okay, nice stash, you know, whatever, da-da. Turns out he plays for the Cardinals. Like, he's a professional pitcher for the Cardinals. And I'm like, you know, I'm on Wikipedia. It was cool. Interesting people in there, right? Yeah.

Because everybody you talked to was interesting. Yeah. You know, nobody sat there and said, I'm a Walmart manager, you know, nobody said that. This guy, I told her when I got home, like a guy lost $30,000, like his wife lost $30,000 on a cruise, penny slots. Like, how do you, I'm like, there's penny slots. Yeah. Well, there's more to that story, too. Yeah.

Yeah. No, there was. There was. He kept going. The guy, apparently she had won a bunch of money a few weeks before that and then went on a cruise and then lost all the money. And then went to another guy. when he wouldn't lend her any money. She's like, I need you to lend me some money, and lied to her.

I mean, lied to him, said, told him, oh, my card got stolen or something. I got robbed. I don't have any money. I don't know. He was just like, I don't think it was his wife. I think it was a girlfriend. Yeah. And then he was like, he was like, yeah, okay, well, show me the receipt.

Show me the stuff and I'll lend you the money. And she got upset with him. Then contacted another guy. And he lent her some money. And he said, yeah, we're done. We're done. She's obviously a gambling Got a gambling habit

Now you're trying to You've lost all your money Including the money that you just won And now you're coming after me To give you more money Right Which is and you're lying to me You're not saying I got a problem

I'll go to Like I would actually lend you the money If you're going to You realize You said look at fuck back Here's what I did I'm gonna change And that's what I wanted to ask you too

Okay really last question This is fine This is probably going back in the podcast Because this is amazing Or we also on Patreon Oh you know What was your turning point, like, where you were like... I mean, I got 26 years.

I mean, I would love... But, but you could have an epiphany. You could be there, like, hustling in prison, too. They gave you 26 years and you got on 13. I got it down to 13. You could have been hustling in prison, though, and could have been doing your thing or whatever, but... But what, like, changed you as a man that you come out of prison, like, okay. That you get changed?

Everybody thinks that. They want to believe that. It's Hollywood. Fucking Hollywood. John Shank to redemption? Yeah, yeah, we've all seen it. It's like, he didn't change. He didn't murder anybody.

He was fine. This is why I say, red changed. Right. Yeah, red. No, this is why I say you're, you have to be changed because you wouldn't be married in a good relationship. That's funny. I think that's probably just you get older, right? Like, I would say.

Because a woman needs security. Yeah. No, that. Yeah, I would say that that, that's definitely a change. But I also think that's just older. Like I don't, you know, I don't. So one thing, when I was younger, obviously, you're extremely insecure, sorry, I'm insecure, sorry, extremely insecure, you know, which, of course, obviously I'm still

insecure, but at that point, I was probably very insecure. I was desperate to make, you know, my father proud to be, to live up to his expectations, which, you know, I never did. And, you know, just I, I, you know, it's all look at me, look at me, look at me, right? Which is still is. But, you know, you go to prison and it's funny, I, I met a friend in prison named Pete. And I don't think Pete even realizes that this is how I feel. You know what I'm saying? And I think it probably was probably not like a moment. Does that make sense? It's probably a period of time. And it really, and I remember Pete saying, and I was, I was, I was steal. I think he stole this from my mind. But, and it was basically, he used to say, you can't come to prison. and behave in the same manner that led you to prison, get released and not expect to come back. Yeah. Because if you're there long enough,

and I know Pete had been there long enough, Pete did 26 years. And Pete, and if I was 13, can I tell you how, you want to talk about depressing? You watch some crackhead. And when I say crackhead, some guy who probably got 10 years for selling for bringing a gun to a $20 rock sale.

Like just the dumbest fucking thing you could ever think. You just spent half a million dollars to lock this guy up because he's a crackhead. Yeah. Like you're just an idiot. Like that's just stupidity. But you see this guy finish his sentence? Get out. Come back on a violation for his probation because they don't just release you.

You have probation. Get out on a violation. squash because usually when they send you back they'll say like let's say you have three years paper they'll send you back for a year and you don't have paper anymore because you obviously can't do it so you're just going to do another year in prison and it's like all right what do i care i just did 10 years so he comes back gets out after a year so now i've seen you once i saw you finish your sentence get out come back do another year get out again get another charge come back for three years get out so complete that sentence get out get on probation get another violation come back and get out

again and I'm not halfway done with my sentence and you and you have to start realizing like and it's not just that it's lots of guys you see guys that you're like this guy has he has a college education he's smart I spent two years talking to this guy he's brilliant he's amazing guy he's funny he's charismatic he got out and he had a plan and he had a support group his parents were there His brother was going to give him money. They were going to start a business. They're going to go into construction. You can do that with a felony.

You know, they had a play. His brother was already in construction. He's already, he's going to come. And he goes out and three years later, bam, he's back for a fraud charge due to construction. You know, so anyway, so my point is that I just got to that point where I realized, like, I need to figure out some way I can get out of here and not come back. And part of that is I have to stop thinking the way I'm thinking.

and two, I need to not do things for money. I need to start doing, I need to figure out, I used to say this all the time. I was like, what are you going to do when you get out of? I'm like, I'm going to figure out a way to make a living just being me. And they were like, what does that mean? I'm like, I'm going to figure out how to make a living just doing the things that I would do if money wasn't an issue. And if that means I have to sleep in someone's spare room. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be.

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It's exactly what I did. I did the seven years in halfway house, got out, moved in someone's spare room, and just wrote. I wrote, I did podcasts. I started doing speaking engagements and I paint. I have a degree in fine art. So I started painting. So I paint. So I like the paint.

I can get paid for painting. You paying in prison? Yeah. Well, I did it a little bit and I drew, but mostly what I did was write the true crime stories because I figured at some point I could get out and I'd optioned. I optioned the life rights of a couple people while incarcerated and got paid. So I thought, if you know you've got me over a barrel here and you just cut me a check for $6,000 or $7,000, what are you going to do when I'm a force to be reckoned with?

What are you going to do when I have a website and I have access to multiple stories and I'm writing and I have books and I become, I transform myself. Now you're not going to give me six or seven grand for an option. Now I'm going to get paid. And what if I could get a series made? What if I could get a movie made? I mean, not that I care, but, you know, it's fun. I always joke around.

Did you squirrel any money away? No. Like, did you bury it under a rock? It was like the dateline or the American Green. One of them was like, and to this day, $5 million is still missing. Because they say at the end, those bastards. You know how many people? Yeah, like you're digging, like Fargo, you're into snow.

Listen, I used to say my, if I could have arranged it, because my ex-wife, you say, I know you got money buried out there. I was not right enough. Let's talk about something. That's, yeah. I used to think I would love one day to wait for her to get home, pull up in a car, get out, get out with a shovel, walk into her backyard,

take something I'd plan on the night before, pull out something, throw in the back of the trunk and he'd be what are you doing what are you doing what is that what is that don't you worry about it yeah that would be great yeah that's mine that's mine um well i see it as this it's such a cool evolution honestly because it's like you're you're chasing money you're running from the insecurities that are nipping at your heels don't constantly and now you full circle and you've made the pain your purpose and you're in like this really cool authentic place. It's so cool. I know what you do. And honestly, I think this is like the lesson of the ages that everyone, when you get to that authentic place of, you know, making your pain, your purpose, that's where, that's the money spot right there. That's the sweet spot. This is, it's not just women too. I get, I get emails from guys all the time. I get Instagram. Bro, you're so inspiring. Your story's inspiring. What you're doing is you've convinced me to do this and that. And, I stopped feeling bad for me.

And they start telling me all these things. And I'm thinking, I've never tried to be inspiring. I have never said one inspiring thing. I've never made an attempt to do this. And yet I get, I honestly, it's, it is probably at least once a day. I get that. Or even like I said, when we went, we went to dinner first with the, with Tom and his wife. We went there.

And when we sat down, Tom's wife said, she said, and I was like hey what's going on how you know met her and she sat down and she's looking at me a couple times and I said you know I said something to her and she said yeah I I've watched she's I've watched all your stuff she's I've watched well not all of it she says I've watched all the ones you did with Tom and a few others and she goes honestly I'm just fascinated by your story like the she's the way you've turned this around it is just amazing and I look at my wife my wife is just like oh geez this again was Tom one of the people that bus did you? No, no, no. He just, he has a huge present. He's got like 250,000 followers on

Instagram, another 100 and something thousand on TikTok. And yeah, think about that. And I always wanted to ask his wife like 2000. I wanted to ask it, stand up. Because his wife has to be like, this guy is a, a button down, FBI agent for 26, 25 or 26 years he worked, retires, and starts posting on and figures he's going to be a private investigator just you know something to do you want you just you know he's 503 54 he can't retire like what are you going to do at 54 you're going to retire yeah so he's like yeah i'll do i'll go get my license and i'll do stuff on the side starts posting these little little videos on instagram blow on tictock blows up like what kind of video little things he's like um you know john peters you know was a teller at a bank and he tells a little

a little minute and a half to two minute story about how John Peters embezzled a million dollars and then was eventually caught because of this and this and this and then went on the run and then this and then so he tells a little story some of them are his stories some of them are just he just pulls them right off of the uh the Department of Justice press releases and then he'll do some research and he'll put together a little story and he'll tell he does it every day they're hugely popular and he's great at it and he's great at it and he's his so now his private investigative company or firm is it's blown up and we we met him and I believe Colby contacted him and said hey was it you or was it was it was it was it might have been

Tyler so somebody one of one one of us contacted him and said hey would you like to come on this podcast you're in Jacksonville would you mind I got him on the phone he said yeah can we do this And I was like, I'd rather have you drive down. And I said, you know, we'll pitch your this. We'll put you that. He's like, yeah, I don't really need to pitch anything. I'm pretty much kicking ass anyway. He was, but he said, you know what?

He said, yeah, let me think about this. And he came back. He goes, yeah, I talked to my wife. Yeah, I'm going to drive down. So he drove down, did one. It did pretty well. He's been on twice since then. And, you know, and we keep running into each other, too.

Like, we keep getting contacted by the same producers who they'll interview him. then they'll interview, they, a week later they interview me. He'll find out that they just, or that they're also considering me. We've also supposed to, I was being considered to be a, what do you call it, a expert? Expert, I was going to say professional, an expert witness in a court trial. And two of the lawyers were on board with it, and one was absolutely against having this con man testify. And so they ended up contacting him. And while they were talking to him, they said, he said, well, who else are you considering for this?

They go, well, there's also this other guy. And the problem is this. And he explains he goes, I know Matt Cox very well. He said, and if you're considering using him, I would rather not be considered. He's an expert at this. He's this. I think you should. And they said, well, we've really like to consider both of me.

Well, let me see if he has an issue with it. If he has an issue with it, I'm going to bow. So he called me. He said, look, here's what's going on. What do you think? I said, yeah, I don't care who they pick you. me i don't care they picked him and then by the way the guy they lost huh huh they lost i mean i think i would have been compelling on the stand but that's fine you went with you went with the you went

with the solid the sure thing that it doesn't always work out how did you guys meet to get to the comedy show oh his so his wife they were his son is down from uh i want to say he's at i'm to say FSU. He's down from FSU. Yeah. Yeah. And, okay, good. And they were going someplace in Tampa to go, they were doing a little vacation and

some of the stuff was in Tampa and his wife said, oh, Matt's got to be there. We should meet Matt. But it wasn't Tom's idea. That irritated me. Their dynamic is funny because Matt is cut up and like, because he'll come on and tell fraud stories, how he catches these criminals. And he's very straight, this is what happened. This is what happened.

This is how I did it. These are the facts. Yeah, these are facts. And Matt's like. He's like, man, I feel bad for the guy. Like, can you just cut him a break? Like, joking around. The guy's 65 years old.

You send him to prison for four years he could die. He's fine. He goes, he embezzled $50,000. Like, he didn't even get the money. For God's sake, Tom. You know, we'll have this whole thing. And he's like, you're, your empathy for these criminals disturbs me. He did seem pretty straight.

He is. His son, because he followed me on Instagram. Like, I looked at C. And so he goes to FSA. But he's an actor. is it like it says actor like why wouldn't you come up and talk to me you know what's funny you're not a very good one because you should network that's funny well he also he's also I think he's 20 yeah he's also a um a lifeguard oh yeah yeah he's like a lifeguard he's you know he's not

he's 20 yeah to actor give it six months six months he'll be something completely different it won't be biology anymore it'll be he'll be completely different yeah he was going to school for biology but he wanted to skydine yeah he said I want to jump out of planes and I'm like, huh, you went to school for marine biology. Yeah, and I'm a comic. What, are we done with my questions or do you want? We'll be asking throughout the whole thing. To your inspiration point, Carl's working on a bit about how positive people are so

annoying. So annoying. So annoyed. I went to, I went to L.A. four years ago. I went to L.A., and this is when I was doing a bunch of podcasts before, I think I just started this, or no, it was before I started this, but I actually went to L.A. Why did I go down? What a jackass move? I mean, I made some real mistakes.

You know, I'm going on all these big podcasts. I have nowhere to send these people. Like, I got out. I don't really understand how to kind of funnel everything towards a platform where you get that's monetized so that it's beneficial. Instead, I'm just like, oh, I'm going to go on so-and-so's podcast, and so-and-so is like, Why? Oh, just to get exposure to what end? Like, I don't know. Anyway, what ended up happening was I went to L.A., and I went on a few of them, and one of them I was supposed to be on was

kill Tony. And so they had me scheduled, but I had a meeting with a producer to pitch a series. And, well, it was a producer director that I was hooked up with, and we had one with another producer. So he was like, this is what it is. And so I couldn't do kill Tony. I've never been so relieved in my life because you have to do like a full minute. You have to do like a, well, back then, I don't know what it is now. Monologue or whatever. Yeah, they had to do a one minute skit. Yeah. And I remember thinking, and they're like, oh, you're funny. You could do that. I'm like, no, no, I'm not funny. You know, it's not fucking easy to be funny for a full minute. I don't know who thinks that's funny. You can't just, you have, you got to be super, but you're smart. That doesn't

mean anything. You have to be clever. You have to be sharp. You have to be on. your feet. That's like working the crowd. Well, that could go bad. To do a minute is hard. Right. That's what I'm saying. To even get somebody to laugh in a minute. That's what I'm saying. There's no bill. It was five minutes, yeah. And it's funny because they were, everybody was like, no, you're funny. I'm like, no, you don't understand. My stories require setup. Yeah. Like, I can tell a funny story

in the course of telling things that happened in prison, but I have to explain that I went to prison. Here's why I went to prison. A minute's over. It's already over. Yeah. Even if I just said bank fraud and moved on, doesn't matter. that each one of these stories is has a it's still a couple it's still a minute at least two minutes like what am I'm not gonna and even their comics I see that are on there it's kind of like they're just weird and that's what's fun time yeah because you're not really they're not really comics a lot of these guys are like just quirky dudes that are just starting comedies so but then they're getting this name and then headlining right and then you crowds are going to

want to see these guys and they're not that good. They're not that strong. Well, it's, yeah. They can't handle hecklers. Yeah. I always say I've said this a few times, is that, I don't know, there was a Barbara Walters, the last Barbara Walters interview that she did, like, before she, like, retired. I know where she was right.

She's probably still doing it now. They retire a few times, but she was retiring. And the person interviewing her said, you know, what are the smartest people, what's the smartest group of people you've ever, um, interviewed. And she goes comics. And they went and, and she went, really? Just why would you say that? She's like, you've interviewed scientists. It might have been a man interviewing her. There was like scientists, you've, uh, politicians, you've interviewed, you know, uh, lawyers. Why? Why? She says, you have to be really, really fast and smart to be able to be funny at the drop of a hat. And she said, there's some of the best conversational issues.

and they're some of the funniest people. She says, you have to be super smart. She goes, and it's a different kind of humor than a scientist. The scientists are not fun. Yeah. But, you know, she had a whole little bit of her own doing that. And I remember thinking, boy, that is true. I think that's true.

You're underrated. You know, people think, oh, he's funny. There's no stupid comics. You don't really know any, I don't remember, unless they're not funny. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of stupid comics. But, yeah, no, it's, I don't, you know, I wouldn't consider myself a genius.

or anything. But yeah, I guess in that moment, in that realm of off the cuff. But I think you're kind of born with it or, you know, it's more natural than anything. I don't think it's a learned. But you have to have some kind of intellect to read a room and to have self-awareness and to know when to pivot and to know how to manage a crowd and plus some time. And it takes time. You know, it takes five years for a comic to even really know.

Can you imagine starting something going I'm not even going to be decent at this till five years from now? Yeah. I'm living it right now. What do you tell you? I looked on your pay. I'm like, Jesus.

I've 28 years in stand-up game. I got 2,900 followers on it. 2.900. But that's the thing. Like now I'm starting, like I just shot my comedy special. Right. Like after 28 years, I finally just shot like a couple weeks ago in December.

So where was that? I was in a theater and Vero Beach, the Riverside Theater. Okay. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's like we got seven cameras, a crane, so it's going to be, it's going to look great. I did an hour, you know, straight, straight material. But it's like now I'm deciding, oh, I got to take charge in my career. You know, like 28 years.

Maybe I should put up some clips. Yeah. It's like nobody knows who I am, you know. And then I made a movie, and it's like, now I got a first movie and a first movie, but nobody knows. Who you are. Yeah, I was going to say, and I was going to say the other thing is, too, and it's a PJ, which is Tom's son was like, we were sitting there.

And he goes, what do you think these guys get paid for something like this? And I looked around at the room, the 27 people that were there. And I went, I said, yeah, bro, I'm thinking it's like 50, 75 bucks. I said, you have to think. I said, the disparity between being a comic that travels, has a travels around and does this, I said, and actually then has like a comedy special. I said, is huge. Like, you're going from this is enough to, like, they're giving me a free pizza out of the, you know, free,

a 12 inch pizza, you know, and a Coke for free and, you know, $30 for 50, whatever it is, basically, which is the gas to get here, and here's half a million dollars to do a special. I'm like, but I said, but think about the amount of work that somebody has to do to get to that point and the luck. The luck. Yeah. A lot of it's luck. Sometimes it doesn't have to do a talent.

Luck and some putting it and being in the right place, right plan, you know, time talking to right people, helps networking helps. But yeah, I started in the 90s and it was like to feature, I got paid a hundred bucks. that's the middle guy yeah and today I can pay it 100 bucks right like just like with inflation like 30 years has gone by same amount what it's funny because when the first guy came on he he did the whole oh yeah he's like I have a day job obviously and I looked at immediately he was like he's like no shit told you yeah I told you yeah it's funny because I actually gave him that I'm like he's like I work at Costco

and I'm like I think they know you're opening I don't think this is paying their nut I'm struggling even closing out the room you know it's like it's not a lot because obviously I'm not a big comic so I'm not getting like a door deal or anything right I'm hoping people show up that wouldn't help that wouldn't help the last crowd either

27 we might $27 yeah I know if you get a dollar each one Yeah, for real. A lot of comics, I mean, there's comics that sell out, and, you know, they make, those are guys that make the money. There's TikTok stars that are committed because they draw. It doesn't matter. Have you seen, I was going to say, this chick has to, there's a black girl that does, that she plays a black girl. She's obviously, it's a skit.

Now, the first one I saw, I didn't think it was a skit. Have you ever seen her where she, she acts like she's being interviewed and she's sitting there. she's like y'all i don't even care like so so you know my my boyfriend's gone i don't even care if he's gone but you know i mean i when you get the camera going i'll act like i'll do the cry in and everything i'll do all that because you know like i want you know but nobody took i just think he run off and she does this whole kind of this ghetto black girl thing and she starts talking but it's hilarious because she's talking because she doesn't think they're they're filming her and then they're like okay ready to go she's like okay you guys right okay okay darris i love you just

come home and she does a whole thing and halfway through she stops and she kind of goes she's like what i heard somebody say live y'all been filming the whole time you know but she has a whole have you seen that is she talking to herself no she's talking to her no she's talking to a film crew film crew okay and she'll talk about like how her her her cousin is missing he's like they're talking about she abducted she 400 pounds nobody abducted her you need to be checking the little McDonald she does like she has all these different skits but when you see it for one of she did one of them and I really thought

she's I think this is real like it was she was so good she never breaks character but she's got a whole channel of them I'll bet you she makes $50,000 a month on her channel

wow she's got millions of followers yeah and millions of views there's there are there's 10,000 videos on any stupid question I have on anything

there's a video on it by some guy. I mean, he may be Indian. Maybe it's, oh, yeah, and you can't understand a word.

Yeah, like, oh, man, this is some titles. Yeah, so, so, so,

you know, takes a little bit, but he's, you know, he's helping. Wait, you do a good Indian. No,

I don't. No. Come on. Come on. Go on. Go on. What are you talking about? You make me blush.

Um, yeah, but I was going to say, you got to get on that. Yeah, no, I have a page, but we're going to set Because once the specials out, I'll have clips.

I actually, you know, filmed the set that I did when you guys were there. So I'll have those riffs now. And we're going to start doing more of that. Yeah. Just because, like, which I should have been on since the pandemic. Yeah. Bob, Bob, the opening guy. Yeah, yeah.

He's like my clip guy. He's like, he does all the editing and producing and stuff. So, and I get him stage time. Yeah, after the show, like I go up to Carl and immediately I'm, I'm brushing. off the Bob, Bob's like, you'll be stepping over here. No, no, Bob did that on his own. Normally, I'd be like, give me your number. Bob was like, I want to talk to him.

Yeah, Bob took off. I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, you're sitting there going to get this. I'll just call him. You're sitting there like, well, make sure you get these, like, I've got it. I've got it. Shutting him off. I'm like, I'm just going to be talking to you.

Obviously, Bob, this guy. It is so funny. Carl did come back and say that. I'm kind of like, blocked to me. like Bob's not taking over as her management um but yeah no he'll do the clips but we're gonna start that and uh because it's we you know matt rife comedian like i think i've heard that like he's the good looking comic is you're the one who doesn't know yeah he's everywhere yeah

and just you know he does his thing i worked with him i worked with him uh we worked on them twice. I opened for him in Naples one year. He's still young. He's coming out. Like, I'm opening up for this kid, you know. I'm just, you know, this many years old. And then there was not really anybody there. And then the last time I worked with him was like, it was like the Beatles, Beatlemania, all these girls in crop tops. But that weekend, he was there. Like, he only had a couple hundred thousand on followers on, on Instagram. And I remember his Instagram was shut down that weekend. So he didn't even have it open because he got some trouble for something.

He said something about Ukraine. And then all of a sudden, he didn't realize the shows were kind of busy. Like they were pretty packed out. And he was like surprised. He didn't even know what happened. And at the end of the week, he was always supposed to. Like, like lined up for a mile. All young girls.

And their mothers. I'm like, I got out there. I'm like, I have nothing to say to you. We're not going to find common around here. Like he would, he would just touch his hair. Oh, they just, and the girls were like, oh, gosh, it's like, you couldn't even, you couldn't even. I recognize the name from my wife. He didn't, he didn't even know he was going to be that bitch.

So at the end of the week, he was supposed to get like maybe like $1,500, $2,000. The owner cuts him a check for like $12,000. And he's like, what is this? He's like, well, he sold out every show. So that was the biggest check he ever had. And so he's like the biggest check he's ever had. Then after that weekend, he worked with me, it's just a couple, I'd look at it's like a couple million. followers. Now he's up to almost nine million. After like just two years, he's making almost

a hundred million a year. Like it's and he goes from a TikTok, some to TikTok videos went viral. I mean, look, one, I didn't want to post. Look at the, look at the, look at the hawk to a girl. Oh my God. Yeah. She's going to jail, right? Yeah. Do you know that? I feel like she should be going to jail. Isn't she did with the whole, the rug pole? Yeah. When she was did it, she did a scam, right? Yeah, it's called a rugpole. It's basically, it's basically. I wanted to chat. I'll talk to you about this. It's basically a pump and dump, but they're using crypto pump and dump scheme, but they call it a rugpole.

You just jack up the price and you buy it all high and everybody rushes in and the price goes up high and then you sell everything you have out, just like a typical stock scan. You know, you get in early. You guys pump up, they pump up the value of the stock. So everybody thinks it's amazing. They start buying the stock for $100. And then you sell all of your stock immediately at the high level. Then the stock plummets because everybody sees the sale.

and you just dumped your $30,000 life savings as a 35-year-old man. You'd put $30,000. Into Hock-Tua girl? Yeah, into Hock-Tua. Yeah, the Hocktua currency. Is that the attraction was because she got on board and they're like, oh, yeah, no, they called it like, it was like a hawk coin or something, yeah. It was all.

It was a baseball round. This is insane. I feel bad for saying this because I always feel bad for saying this about a victim. But honestly, you had that comment. Yeah, you had it come. What were you doing? 100%. And this guy, now he's.

There's a guy talking about how I dumped my $35,000, my life savings, my kids' college fund into this. And now it's worth $2,000. And I was like, you dumped your kids college fund into an investment? We're hooked. A hug to. But this is the insanity of fame. Like you get fame and people, it's like this thing that people all aspire to or want or need or it's like a gambling addiction or, yeah. They want to be around you.

If somebody's popular. Yeah. And she's partnered with, she like, partnered with. the podcast with like uh jake paul's like company which they've been in and out of cryptos and like the cryptos like breeding ground yeah all their cryptos are yeah for degenerate gamblers people are just you know pumping in and what was funny about the hawk tua thing is like a day or two after the rug pool would happen they're having a big twitter space like everybody's on a voice call and she's just in the background it's all these people who were managing the project talking saying

like this wasn't a scam this whatever whatever and out of nowhere she just popped on she's like Hey y'all Well Anywho I'm going to bed now I talk to you in the morning And then she's Stop

Do you know how fast you were going I'm going to have to write you a ticket To my new movie The Naked Gun Liam Nissan Buy your tickets now I get a free Tilly Dog Not included

The Naked God Tickets on sale now August 1st It's like disappeared for a month Is she gonna do time for that You think? Jake Paul didn't do any time Yeah, we had a lawyer on here

We asked them about that And he didn't think her specifically He said he thinks someone will eventually be made Example of because this has been happening For four years probably With crypto and NFT booms It's like all these influencers Have been pooling and doing all these things

But really No one has really To us does some time Yeah Yeah everybody She should do it for all of us Yeah Someday they'll grab somebody

And he'll go to trial And they'll get the guy who will get 20 years And then everybody will get scared But until then they're just going to keep ripping I mean yeah there was kids There was a kid just recently Because like crypto started going up again Everybody's getting back into it

There was a kid he's like He looks like he's 12 or 15 I can't even drive And there was this platform Where you can create your own account And he created an account And made 20, 30 grand and sold it right away Like live

So it's yeah It's insane God bless him I'm doing something wrong I'm just telling jokes And that's the thing with popularity Like I'll get I'll get all open for some big acts Like names that aren't that strong on stage

Right And I'll crush the shot like 25 in front of them Almost bury them Right And then they get up there and it's mediocre And that's not even bragging That's just with the facts out I've been to stand up You know all my life

Maybe they just started they were famous Right And so they just, they're working out of that. Yeah. And then they get off. And it's just like, they're taking all the pictures. Not one. Well, they get a pass.

Wants to get a picture with me. Like they're just like, excuse me, is that, is that the guy? Like, you laugh. Oh, yeah, you were funny. Oh, you were funny too, yeah. But that's the thing with, it doesn't matter. What, you know, I always, I've used this as an example, is that American Idol, like the top 10 people that make American Idol, I don't If it's 10 or 12, I forget what it is, whether that first group that makes it, they're all

amazing. Every one of them that gets out, you're like, amazing, amazing, and then in the end, one gets it. And even then that person, you might hear about them for the next year. And then most of the time, they're gone. One or two have made it. But even then, and these other people that were there, like, you just never hear from them again. And you think they're all phenomenal. So there's tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of amazing singers, singers,

comics, actors that, it's just, it's just something, a lot of it, it's talent, whatever, there's lots of talent

to be able, but it's talent and it's luck and it's being in the, it's, it's that combination and, you know,

it just, that's why you can't, I can't, you can't get upset. You can't get upset. Like, I can't get upset opening for, you know,

I had this, well, it, I wasn't opening for him because I was opening for another comic, but got a kid dropped in to do a spot

and he was like a magician. 16 year old 16 year old and he was on the spectrum he was like he had like autism or something because in the green room it was like I was like hey how you doing he's like no hi how are you and I'm like this kid's going on stage this is going to be brutal yeah like he's doing magic well this is right before Carl's going to shoot his special so he was trying to get a lot of time to work out I was trying to just get ready for his special and it's like this is so humbling yeah I'm shit and then there's robots going up to so I introduced the kid

and his parents are there like you know and I'm I'm gonna hammering my special set so I'm just banging up pussy Joe like I'm just like hammering like I'm just kid poor kid just parents are watching then I'm just filthy animal's opening for him and

then I bring him up and then he's like he's all hey well I'm like where was that? I wanted to get like when he got off I wanted to be like I didn't see that guy back There was, like, nothing going on in there. And then he got to say, it was weird how he turned it on. But that's the humbling thing.

It's like, now I just opened for that guy, the kid. And then, like, his mom took my number. It's like, you know, if he could ever get up in front of you, if you were headlining, can he. I'm thinking, no, I would put this guy in front of my crowd. Like, just poor kid. Like, who shouldn't be, I mean, not to. But what, but he did amazing? No, it was ridiculous.

I thought you were, that's what I thought you were getting at. No, he came out of his shell on stage, but it was still, that's all I was getting at. No, it was horrible. Oh, it wasn't even good an answer. I thought you were going to say, got up and he was amazing. I would have been, I would have thought, yeah, if that was the case, I'd be like, well, I don't mind opening for him. Maybe I'll probably be opening for him next week. But no, it was ridiculous.

I think he got a pass because of his age. You know, it's like, oh, well, that's cute. And they were laughing, uh-huh, and then he berated him a little. it was like it's just funny like just how comedy works and like you never know who's your opening for whatever like some tic-to-doodle come in it's just got this huge following it's just social media will absolutely explode um have you have you seen well uh you know that's he's clearly humbled who's that dachs the show he's very he he probably is some type of autistic or something

He's just going to be here. Shoot, when is he here? He wants to be like a stand-up comedian or like his whole, his whole page is kind of turned into comedian. So, and he is extremely, extremely awkward. And he'll go to these comedy clubs and get up there and tell these jokes. And I mean, they are. I think I've seen that guy.

He's got like long, kind of love like Auburn hair, curly, maybe like, you know, yay high. And they're bad, corny. They're bad, bad, bad, corny. But he's just so awkward. He's like a cult-like following on social media. and it's just awkward. It's like, I'm thinking these guys, like, they go to, they go to these comedy clubs.

And the people there, like, if they don't know them, they probably think, like, this is absolutely horrible. But those same exact clips go viral online because they know this guy. They see him every day. And they've just grown to love, like, you know. Yeah, love his style or his awkwardness. Yeah. And it's, which is not funny if you don't know him. Yeah, if you don't know him.

So it's like the actual experience there in the club, like, probably, like, isn't very good. Yeah, but the virality of it online is... Yeah, I've seen famous people that, you know, maybe got, you know, something happened with their acting career or whatever. And they come on stage and they're just trying to work out of an act. And people want to see the character from the TV set. Oh, yeah. They get this guy fumbling through jokes, you know, and it's like...

So it's weird to see because I'm like, at least I'm glad I'm not that. Right. To be something I'm not. Yeah, at least. Yeah. At least Seinfeld gets to be Seinfeld on and off. Yeah. And Ben, they have it luck. They have it easier to it. Like, as a comic now, nobody knows who I am. So I walk up there. Now it's like everybody in the honest, like, make me laugh. Trying to prove yourself.

You're trying to prove myself. It doesn't matter, you know, and I, you open for like a bigger comic, they get a pass. Right. They already know who this guy is. Yeah, yeah. They're ready to go. They're ready. And obviously, by the time he gets up there, you've been through you've been the what is it the first there's like what one or two guys yes opener and in the middle at opener in the middle guy like they've obviously they've prepared the audience for this guy yeah by time he gets he starts getting laugh because everybody's already in the mood to laugh now they're yeah but I've I've

stood in the back and watched Carl on stage and then the headliners standing back with me and they're like agitated they're like get him off get him off early get him off right like he's had he's too good and then You know, he brings the energy so high that the headliner can't continue that. So it's like, quick, quick, get them off. Like with you guys, like I played around a lot. Right. And just kind of, but when I'm doing a 20 minute set, right, it's just boom, boom, joke, joke, joke.

How long were you up there for? Like, I did like almost 50, which you guys. Really? Yeah. It seemed quicker, right? Yeah, it seemed like, if you just said 20 or 30 minutes. Yeah, yeah. Because that, and that's good.

That's fun. That, that, then you know you're doing a good job. When it feels like, geez, how long have we been? 10 minutes? This guy's got to get off. Yeah. Yeah, I thought the work in the room would be good. Yeah, it was good. Sorry, it is easier to do that, especially when there's a good room.

And that guy started kicked it off with the $30,000. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the guy he immediately went into. You don't want to call somebody a snitch, get punched. Oh, yeah, like Johnny Mitchell. Johnny Mitchell. Yeah. Johnny Mitchell

Johnny Mitchell is a guy that has a huge a huge YouTube sorry His podcast He's probably very similar to this TikTok He's probably got everything

I think I only know But he's been on the program And he's been interviewed me But he was a He was He's actually got a funny story He Anyway he was a

It's changed It's changed Which is one of it was probably The only issue I have And he's very, he's very nice. And he's one of those guys that you, you want to dislike being kind of in the professional and having some issues there. And then you want to dislike him.

And then he came here and he was, he was so fucking charming. It was irritating. Do you what I'm saying? Where you're just like, oh, you're so charming. I wanted to hate you. Don't do that. I want to hate you. And, you know, just funny.

Did you just get the door for me? Oh, what did he just get the door? He came in. He compliments my wife. Tell you, it tells me, I watch all your stuff, bro. I'm a huge fan. You know, stop it. Yeah.

But yeah, he was, but he was great, came on to the podcast, but he was basically, so the issue is initially he was basically kind of like a low level, and this is funny, because it may have changed, whatever, it may have evolved, but when he got out of prison, initially he came out and he said that he just got out of prison and he went in for a few years and he was selling grass and got caught and went to prison, did a few years and got out and that was it, you know. then over the years and then he started doing comedy well over the years he became a big time dealer with the cartel that they got him for something minor and he went to prison so it's like your

story's evolved quite a bit but whatever put that aside you know think he's an embellishing I think so yeah I think so but here's the problem is once again I like him like now I kind of like him like you kind of root for him right and so so so i mean that's kind of what's just out there on the internet but i think he's probably quashed a lot of and then anytime you talk to a guy who's a real guy who's really dealt in in drugs and cartel with the cartel and everything they're like yeah half of what he's saying doesn't make sense yeah but regardless he has a massive following and once again he's he's a comedian and he's extremely funny you know and so and on top of that very smart and has a massive platform right now. But here's why that happened. And everybody's like,

oh, because he's amazing. Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. He is amazing. He's like I said, he's all those things. I'm not taking any of that way from him. I think probably what happened was he did go to prison because he was selling grass, not at the level he was selling that he says he is now, but that's neither here nor there. Went to prison. But while he was in prison, he started doing comedy because guys were like, bro, you're funny. You're funny. You should do comedy. And he actually did comedy in prison, which is funny because you go to prison and people don't realize like, you go to prison, it's its own world. You're trapped there inside these gates, but there's 1,000 or 2,000 or 3,000 inmates in there and you all live together.

So it's its own community. So you do have talent contest. There's bands. Guys play, there's football teams. There's, you know, there's amazing guitar players. And there's all these things that are happening to keep yourself entertained. So he started doing comedy. And he did comedy and did really well at it. He said, but my thing is he's like, I didn't know if it was just because I'm in here that I'm funny. Am I funny outside?

And everyone was like, you got to be a comic, got to be comic. So he got out and he started doing comedy. And he got up. And so there was a video of him where he got up and he's doing comedy at a comedy club. And a guy in the crowd, he's working the crowd, right? super smart guy he can so he what did you call it riffing yeah riff improv yeah he's bam bam bam and a mexican guy is there and this is what kills me this is why i know you were never in a serious serious prison because if you were in a serious if you were really

in a pin you would have never thought to say this the guy says something goes oh you went to prison for what oh how much were you moving he has a conversation with him like what you were doing And the guy said, I went for like a year or two or something. He said a smaller sentence. He goes, oh, you must have snitched on somebody. Okay, I don't know what you're thinking. But if you were in a penitentiary and you don't even joke, you don't even joke about it. The way guys out here will be like, oh, bitch, you're crazy.

You don't even say that ever. There are certain things you know, you don't say that. Don't joke about that. Don't use that word. What level were you in? I mean, I was at a medium for, for things. three years, and then I went to, I did nine years in a low security prison. And I was in the U.S. Marshals for one year. So it's totaled is just a shy of 13. But, but so Johnny ends up

saying, oh, well, you must have snitch. This guy attacks him. I mean, comes up on stay, runs up there, like tackles him, throws him on there. Like, they get into a full, but you, it goes off film. And anyway, Johnny's like, you know, what people don't realize, like, I started getting the better of him. They stop it, bro. That dude, that guy's like five. foot six. You're six foot four. He threw you off the stage. Like he attacked you. And this is online. This is all. Yeah. The video is, is funny. But you don't, you know, like if you had really been in a, in a real serious prison, even now, like, you, I never say, like, you know, guys are like, oh, bitch, you're crazy. I never say that. I don't say that. Yeah. I wouldn't say that to

somebody. It's extremely disrespectful. Yeah. You know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't accuse someone of that. I certainly, if you've been in prison, I wouldn't say that on the street I wouldn't so the fact that is this you got it three point nine million views and that's what that's a six minute video that's not even a short that's a six minute video oh I'll bet you there I'll bet you people reposted over and over again I'll bet you it's got 50 million is that one made big and popular I mean it helps definitely definitely help here's the thing though after that so I saw that video six months later I started seeing him on doing podcast here's the thing thing is that because he is a comedian, he has access to other comedians, right? You can get to a

position where you can meet these guys. And most of the probably out of let's say the top 30 best ranked YouTube podcast right now, probably 20 of them are run by comedians. They're all massive, massive podcasts. The guys are funny. They bring guys on. They have great conversations. They laugh and joke all the time. They're super, you know, they're very entertaining. So he had the ability to get himself on all of these major platforms. And they would ask him about his story. He can tell his story.

He tells a great story. I think I know what you're talking about. Tall, thin, good-looking guy. He's got what. What's his name again? Johnny Mitchell. It's called the Connect with Johnny Mitchell. He's got over a million.

Let me see. That YouTube clip, by the way, on his channel's most popular shorts. Now, this is on his, this is the most popular shorts. million and seven million views and he said he was in maximum security i'm pretty sure he he says he a few different ones but one of them i believe is he was at a at a maximum security prison and it was like in you know it's i always hate when he says it i'm like he's lost credibility he's like maximum security the the worst prison in idaho it's like i know one point two yeah yeah or you know i forget what you think it was but it's funny some people are good

talkers man yeah you know and it's yeah one point two million Subscribers on YouTube. 1.2 million. And by the way, he started probably, when do you start that channel? Let me see. I'm going to say, I'm going to say two years. I mean, he, two years. Yep.

He blew up. I mean, just, what is the interview on his channel? Other criminal. Yeah, more so smugglers, a little more hardcore, I would say, than what we do. Yeah. But, yeah. Yeah, I know you're talking about. More like prison.

He'll interview guys about, and they'll interview guys about, and they'll they'll talk more about, like, being in prison and prison and more hardcore stuff, murders, and he'll, like, I don't, I don't interview, I don't know, have I interviewed anybody that's, like a murderer? I don't think so. You know, I was talking to my dad the other day, and my dad was like, he's like, you need, you know, he's like, you know who you need interviews, like, you need to interview this guy who, like, murder somebody, just got in prison.

I'm like, eh, we don't really. Yeah, he's still, he's still, iffy about this guy, just got like, give it on me. Maybe a stream yard. I was like, what did he do it? I was like, yeah, that's not really the type of guy

we want to have on the show. Did you see when Joe Rogan interviewed the guy and his lawyer and they got him out after being in prison for like 20 years or something, got him out

and then like a couple months later killed. Oh yeah. Yeah, I've seen Rogan tell the story. Yeah, and then killed his wife. Like you're killed.

So, yeah, two months after. So, explaining how, he was rehabilitated and all that we've had a couple guys that were like they're telling their story they give their story and at the end Matt's like oh wow it's like yeah when was this they're like oh four months ago yeah yeah yeah

but I'm completely right like it just got out of I remember like two months yeah I drove here from the my god yeah we see a lot of of what was do you think you've like had somebody like crazy crazy oh we've definitely yeah yeah we've i mean like telling the truth or just kind of like there's some interviews i'll let matt tell us whatever he's that say there's some interviews where these people are going on and on and i just start painting the camera to matt to just because he's just like because i'm like i know and i'll look the audience is going to be feeling exactly what matt is yeah they're just like uh-huh like bullshit uh-huh well it i

Sometimes, I don't know about bullshit because I'm not here. I always love these guys that get upset. They're like, you shouldn't give this guy a platform. Wait a second. The guy came on. He told his story. He sent me some paperwork. There was an article.

I don't know if, you know, if he stole, you know, $40 million like he's saying, or if it was the $2 million in the article. But this is he's now saying that the amount was this and that, like I'm not doing five hours of research for an hour and a half podcast. Like, what are you doing? We're doing five and six of these a week. So he gets an opportunity to tell his story. You know, we could, and even if halfway through the story, I start thinking, that's bullshit. You know, I'm not, I'm not here to judge you and tell you, no, bro, that's bullshit. I don't think so.

You know, many times I've had a guy sit here and tell me where they'll go, you know, yeah, I got caught with, you know, two keys of brown. And, you know, so I had a really good lawyer, bro. Like, I got three years. And I'm thinking, and I'm like in federal prison. And they're like, yeah, yeah, no, it was a federal. case. I'm like, oh, okay. But I'm sitting there thinking the mandatory minimum's 10 years. Like, you should be doing a minimum of a 10. Maybe 20. You got three? Like, the OJ? Yeah, well, he, no, what he, obviously, he cooperated against his co-defendants. You know what I'm saying? So, you, like, and I don't

have a problem with, listen, I cooperated. I got 26. I did 13. Of course I cooperated. I got 26. I'm a white color criminal. I can't do 26 years. No. I don't care who's got out. I'll cut off everybody's I don't know how you did 13. It was, well, they made me do it. But it was, like, how did you do it? Is it like country club prison? No. Like they said.

It wasn't, it wasn't. So like the good, God, good fellows, wouldn't there, you slicing garlic in the room? No, no, you can't cook your own food. No, no, some people do. You can't, but you can do that in the pen. Oh, you can do that anywhere. But yeah, it was, um, I couldn't go to prison. No, you, you could, you be sure, you, you're actually in good shape.

Yeah, I'd have to fake it. Yeah. Oh, bro, there was way more boy. a way more base in my voice when I was in prison. You know what I'm saying? What's up? Hey, let me get some of that.

Let me get some of that. Oh, yeah. That was a totally different. You got to be too. What? What? Who you think you're talking? No, that I'm just joking.

I know. No, we could turn the channel whatever you want to turn it to. I've had those conversations right. Stood up, no, we're watching walking dead tonight. I don't give a fuck. I'll take that TV to the fuck in. They're like, sit down,

sit down, sit down. We're going to let you watch it because you did a little show. but nobody's really scared of you everybody had cool nicknames in prison they had like you know their guys

and weewee and and uh pooky and and you know big John and you know you know they got these kind of these you know Hulk and you know six because he's six foot tall or you know

20 or no what was the one guy uh 21 you know they got 21 why they call you 21 because the 21 bodies on my case that's why oh bro I'm just fucking wrong I'm just one I just you know

they got numbers I tried to push chainsaw. Oh, okay, nice. It never took. Not even. You're like, well, I cut wood. No, guys are like, guys are like, I used to work in the forestry industry. Maybe paper cut.

You're not dangerous. That chainsaw is a dangerous guy. Butter knife? Yeah. Would butter knife work? We're going to go with Cox or maybe Mr. Cox. Can we not use Cox in prison? Cudy Cucy.

Yeah, cutie. Cutie Cucks. It was that weight? No, it was someone here to drop off a mail for John Boziak. I was like, oh, he don't live here. Oh, no. We should have interviewed. Listen, Thai.

Are you up and up in this job? What is that code for? This is my old roommate who's dodging child support. Oh, no shit. And we get all the time, they're like, hi, John Bozap, I know. Can you sign here?

Doesn't live here. Doesn't live here. I've always been told to say. But now he moved to Thailand. Oh, good for him. They're never getting that. They're never getting him. He's still coming.

They're coming to Tampa. Yeah. We missed an opportunity with a podcast with him. Yeah. Because we just did a podcast where he left. And we just did like, oh, why are you leaving? And we're just like, oh, you know, just to try, experience something new. But we should have done it.

We should have done it. I'm leaving. They're all my ass. They're all over me. And this is just for child support? Oh, yeah. But it's not like one. This isn't one kid.

Oh, really? This is a guy who's been, he's been. working on like a football team like that he's he's he's put he's he's set in a franchise he's going to start to Thailand to start a new colony yeah there's some guy with some paperwork and I was just like yeah he don't live here he's like I was like sorry we're filming podcast and just kind of shut the door yeah but uh you got to get your you got to get your I think fix I can't I can't tell what I'm looking through the little people and I can't really tell oh is it just like scratch or something so that just happened yeah yeah I mean I thought I thought I thought it might have been

a guest like because we have a guest later this afternoon it's like you know who might be dude we should have interviewed the guy I mean okay well when Bozziak here here's a funny story when Bozziak was here we're doing a podcast Matt and him are doing a podcast

door loud knocking the door doorbell rings next thing you know you just see in the camera him get up and dart off yeah he bolts I got up to go check that he's out the back

and what happens if the guy finds him but they just serve him they're going to make him take a DNA test he if he gets served yeah if you're well then what happens

is like if you don't the DNA test. Now you've been served. Right now he can say, I didn't even know this happened. I've never been served. Once you get served, they can say, and they can do stuff like they can cancel your driver's license. They can start making, they can put an arrest warrant out. Like, you're supposed to go take a DNA test and you didn't cancel his driver's license. Put a warrant out for him. Like they're going to get it. So was he being like chased at Walmart and stuff like that? They're just like, they're not that aggressive? Because I saw somebody get served like at a funeral. I've seen people get served

Like people Like in the most rant Like the hardest times The guy's grieving And here He's gonna be there Tough you should have taken care of it Like I got no sympathy for you

Should have taken care of you know what's coming Yeah What's funny is one time I got I either got a knock at the door for him Open the door and there's two cops standing there And I open the door and they go They go John Bozik

And I go I go no No they go does he live here? I said no No It's good And I'm sitting there looking at them. And listen, I'm on federal probation.

Oh, geez. Is your heart pounding? He's not supposed to be living here. My probation officer, actually, when she came to check out the house and walked around the whole house and walked into his room, she's like, whose room is this? And I said, oh, I said, this is my wife's daughter. She comes and stays here. She's got a room. So one of her daughters was staying here.

And the other one, there was another room, which was Boziacs. I said, this is her other daughter. She doesn't stay here a lot, but she does have a room here. And she's like, oh, okay, turned around and walks out. I'm like, and so I'm, keep mind, he's, he has a felony conviction. I'm not allowed to be around other felons. Now, granted, I'm doing the podcast, but they're allowing me to do this, but he certainly can't live here.

So I'm, that's one thing. So I'm already on thin ice. Then I, the door gets knocked. You can put this in here, too. I'm okay now. He's entirely. I was just making a note to take this out. No, this is fine.

So one day I got a knock and then two cops were like, and I'm like, they're like, John Bozique? And I'm like, no. They're like, does he live here? I went, no. And the guy go, the cops, they look at each other and they go, he's not in trouble. This is a welfare check. And they said, a woman called for him saying she hasn't hurt. She's been trying to get in touch with him and can't get in touch with him. And I go, oh, John Boziak. And they go, yes, John Boziac. I said, yes, he does live here. And I said, who called? And they named. I said, okay, yeah, hold on. I call him on speaker. And I go, hey, your crazy ex-girlfriend just did a welfare check because he's not responding to her call and he goes that crazy fucking

I go yeah the cops are here they went here he goes yeah it's me and they go can you give us your date of birth he's like yeah blah blah blah and they're like okay just had to check and then they turn but I'm sitting there while I said that as soon as I said no I said who I thought did you just lie to law enforcement while on probation and luckily they said he's not in trouble and I was like okay yes I was like thank God you gave me the opportunity to come clean because I was sitting here thinking if I are you like my wife will kill me if I let them leave without correcting that yeah she'll be like what are you doing like you know you don't know this guy when did you get divorced you better clean that up yeah no this was no I'm talking about my new wife

my old wife that was 25 years ago oh okay um no my new my new wife which is funny because if we had when we were doing the when I met you if you'd gone down the thing and you've been like oh who's this I'd be like oh my wife oh would you meet halfway house she did five years for Oh, no way. For a ice. How did I get, how did I, can we go back? Come to the show tonight? You would have been like, what is it happening?

This is insane. And we're friends with the FBI agent in this wife. Oh, my God. That's, that's good. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And that was like true love or you just had something in common right away.

Like, how do you even approach somebody like that? Well, you know, like when I got to the halfway house, like there were like three things I needed, right? And I was like, so the first thing I did was I luckily had just gotten another. I had optioned one of the options came to when I got a check. I got like $7,000. So the first thing I knew I needed was I needed a car. So I got that check and I went and bought a car. And then I needed a job.

So I called a buddy who owns a gym. I said, hey man, I need a job. He said, oh, I'll give you a job. I said, okay. And then I needed a girlfriend and I looked around the halfway house. I said, I'll take that one. I tell her that she gets furious. The money left over.

I can buy you a steak. She gets, she's getting to see. Yeah, that's great. What's funny about her is like she didn't even want to date me. Like, because keep mind, she's... Yeah, because you're a criminal.

No, she's a criminal. No, she's a criminal. She's a criminal. Wait a second. Oh, listen, if you saw her, one arm's completely sleeved, just did five years, way tougher than me.

Grew up and you, you know where Oak Joie is? What was her nickname? You were... You know where Okachovia is? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she grew up in Okachobi. Oh, yeah. So it's like Okeechobee is known for like like dairies and like meth.

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, she didn't work in the dairy. So, so met her. It's like she was, let me give you an example. Her first husband, Johnny Buck. Johnny Buck and she, yeah. Oh, listen, she knows guys named Skeeter. Yeah.

Johnny Buck, Skeeter. You know, they're all, they've got these names that you're like, oh. Hungry now. Now. What about now? Whenever it hits you, wherever you are, grab an O. Henry bar to satisfy your hunger. With its delicious combination of big, crunchy, salty peanuts covered in creamy caramel and chewy fudge with a chocolatey coating.

Swing by a gas station and get an O. Henry today. Oh, hungry, oh, Henry. Oh, my God, this is straight out of casting of, you know. Deliverance. Yeah, however. But so they ran a hog hunting tour guide service for six years where she took grown men out, groups of men out. The hog. And hunted down wild hogs and killed them, skin them, goaded them, cut up the steak, packed it in styrofoam, and let them leave with their hog.

That's what they did for sit. Yeah, that's hard. This is a tough chick. After she got to the halfway house, she went and got, she became a marine mechanic. And right now, she is in class to take the Florida, the, sorry, the U.S. Coast Guard captain's license to get her license as a captain. So she can ride, do airboat tours. Oh, wow. And she works for a yacht management company so she can also do, be a captain on.

yachts. This is like, she's like serious. She's pretty cool. She's the man in the house. Like when the landlord says, hey, can you check the, check the water sprinkler system? I'm like, that would be, that'd be, that'd be, uh, uh, an assignment for jazz. Let me forward this. He keeps sending me stuff. Hey, can you check the, the alarm system? I got a notification. It went down. I'm like, yeah, I don't know why you keep asking me. Right. Right. Of course. I appreciate it. Yeah. Keeping me in the loop. Yeah. You know, I'm not changing. the tire. That's what you're trying to tell me. What's the comedian? He walks on stage. He's a little chubby, blonde hair. He does the jokes about his mom, about his wife. He's always talking about his wife. Jim Gaff again? Yeah, is that? He does the clean stuff. Yeah, he's very clean, but he does a skit where he's like the plumber was at my house. And, you know, I walk by and he stops me and he starts talking to me about, you know, the water heater. And I'm like, you know, I don't even know if we have a water heater. He's like, but we would like to buy one from you if you're selling. He's like, I don't know.

I mean, I, everything he says about his role in the household resonates with me. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I feel you, bro. Yeah, change the light. Light bulb goes out. You get a new lamp. I'll come on a Saturday or something. I'll walk out.

Jess will walk in and she's got like some grease on her and stuff in her blue jeans or hat and her cowboy booth. And I'll be, what's going on? She's like, I'm just changing my oil. Of course. Of course you are. We have a, we have an oil thing out there. We can do that.

She's like, hey, I'm going to my dad's tomorrow. Is that okay? I'm like, yeah, what's going on? Well, he needs, you know, his brakes are out. And so I'm going to go there. I just got the pads. And so I'm going to go. Yeah.

We're going to our neighbor's house. They have a nuisance alligator. I'm just going to get rid of it. She changed my neighbor's battery. The old guy next door where his car wouldn't start. She's over there changing his battery. I got it. I got it.

I'm like, that's great. Did you want to help? No. I know all these dudes are coming over. Hey, Mad, is your wife home? Yeah, exactly. No. All right.

I got to take it to the shop Yeah, she's tough So if you'd stop If you'd focus in on her a little bit Man, it would have been You know, I tried to get to everybody I guess I ran out of time I should have got to

I missed the juicy part I thought that did But it's long I let him go I don't normally let him just talk for it but I was like He was so what was the story Was this guy

This is talking about the gambling guy So what did he say Like what What happened? He Man, I mean, I can remember. Yeah, you're good at this. Yeah, but I mean, his thing was, he just was kind of working the room.

It's like, oh, what do you did? And he said, oh, what do you do? Like, he got the guys down. Talking about single. I think it's single people. He's like, I just broke up with my girl. Yeah, yeah. And he said, yeah, oh, how single?

It was like, oh, a week, two weeks, whatever. He's like, oh, what happened? Yeah. Oh, what happened? He said, well, she lost $30,000 gambling. But the story comes out. On penny slots. Right.

on a shipping on a cruise ship right but the story came out that a couple weeks beforehand they had been gambling and he said i don't gamble much she does and she had a bunch of jackpots in a row and had won a chunk of money then she went on a cruise with a dude right um no i don't think that wasn't the other dude she i just think she went on a cruise with some friends and she lost $30,000 came home said i got robbed and someone stole my credit card and they ran up a bunch a debt and I don't have money to pay my rent. Can you, can I borrow a couple thousand dollars from you? And he goes, sure, show me your credit card. Show me where they ran up these debts. Show me where the, show me all the evidence and I'll lend you the money. She got into a huge fight

with him and then that he was, and we broke up. No, they didn't break up. She left. He said, the next day or two they were talking and she said, he found out, or she told him, he had borrowed three or four thousand dollars from another man and and he said and right then i said we're done we're done so you know good for you man right as he was but i mean that's what came out but it was a therapy session it was he was like i'm like does everybody feel i think i said that yeah we all come out of here feeling good about we're releasing a lot of things yeah you were because that's what everybody was given like yeah oh no the one of the first woman was like yelled it Did she say something about him?

Yeah, the first girl's like, oh, you're an asshole for breaking up at Christmas. And then he goes, well, wait a minute. We don't know the story. Yeah. What happened? And they tell the story. And she's like, oh, okay.

And I'm like, I can change your two. Carl's like, yeah, how do you feel now? How do you feel now? This guy's a hero. It was good. Yeah, that was funny stuff. Yeah, then he went to Tom. Yeah.

And you can imagine, he's thinking I'm going to be able to play around with Tom. And Tom, he's like, what do you do? Marr, FBI. Yeah. A private detective, FBI. I'm like, Yeah, I guess we're done talking. I felt investigated.

But I talked to his son, you know, and his son. So was cool because he was like, I'm a biologist. Yeah. But I want to jump out. I'm like, what do you want to do with that? Jump out of planes. I'm like, that's not even just in the same area. I know.

I'm like, Dad, do you know about this? You're paying all his money for college? And then I see on his page, actor. He was playing you. I just told you. I made a movie. You come up and go. Hey, you got anything coming up?

Maybe I can jump on. What was the other one was the chick was, somebody was, oh, she had a degree in a psychology. And then you say, you go, just be a life coach. Yeah. Yeah, he is, doesn't that suck now? Because now you could just be a life coach. She's like, yeah, I know. And she knew.

That's great. That's awesome. You see in her face like these motherfuckers. You just go on social media, build yourself up a little following and you can start. And some catchy catchphrase, like some stupid quotes. Today's going to be a good day. I've had multiple guys on here that that's what they do now. Like they're like life coaches.

So there's Luke. But Luke successfully runs multiple car lots and has several different businesses. So he's turned himself into like, and he went to prison. He was addicted to opiates, robbed the bank. He's like six foot two, massive walks into the place with the mask and says, I think we all know why I'm here. Whoa. What's it going to put the money in the bag.

And they all jumps in his car leaves. And it's funny, the description was so spot on. His father calls him that night and says, you want to tell me something? He goes, no, why? What? And he goes, did you rob a bank today? Why? Why would you say that?

He is, there's a six foot four, a six foot two guy with a massive, massive. He said they jumped into a car and left. Doesn't your girlfriend have a pony? He's like, you know, whatever it was. He's like, don't know what you're talking about. He's like, yeah, well, I'm just letting you know if they may be looking. It said just married sign all that. Like, what are you doing?

So how much time do you do for that? I think he did like four years or something. That's it for armed. Well, I don't know. Was he armed or maybe it was six. It wasn't that. He's not that bad. Robin Banks is not that bad.

As long as you don't. Well, I don't think he, I forget the exact scenario, but he didn't, it wasn't that bad. He couldn't have a gun, right? Must have been a note, was it? Maybe it was a note. Yeah, maybe just walked in or acted like he had a gun or stuff. I don't know. But so if you rob a bank with a gun, like if you walked in right now with a gun, you could, you'd probably get four or five years, maybe more.

Now, if you brandish the gun and scared people or if you fired it, you're getting probably 10 or 15. But if you just kind of showed them the gun or if you just walked up and said, I have a weapon or whatever, if you use a note, if you just use a note and you don't threaten anyone in the note, you're going to get three years. I'd write a nice one. Like a, hey, excuse me. I know a guy who robbed. Sent it. He robbed three banks.

One of the banks was he robbed it twice. He robbed three banks, one twice. And with a note. And all the note said was you're being robbed. Put the money, you know, give me all the money in the drawer. Immediately nobody will get hurt, you know. And so it wasn't directly threatening, really. And so they gave him like $2,500.

I think they don't ever make any money. It's $2,500 or $1,500. It's not even worth it. Maybe $3,000. He got the money left. I'm going for the safe. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Everybody said that would be like, take me to your safe. That'd be in the note. Yeah, well, read it. You're getting, you're getting a long time. They gave me a draw. I'd be like, read the note. Listen, I love the guys.

In the PS. I love the guys that say, give me the money. And they're like, they're like, no. She's like, it's in the PS. It's going to the bank. Can you see the final? There's lots of people. And they're like, no.

Yeah, they're like, no, I'm not going to do that. And they'll actually struggle with. I would pull out another piece of paper, write another note. I'm serious now. And then these guys take off on the run or the girls will chase them. There's some funny one. Really? Oh, yeah.

So, but, listen, my favorite one is the college kid that I was locked up with that had, it was doing in college. He robbed, like, the bank on, you know, on campus, like the credit union or something. He goes in with a BB, he and another guy going with a BB gun, with BB guns. And they go, get on the ground, get on the ground. And several people kind of hunched, but weren't really getting down. and the one kid pulls, shoots the BB gun. Ding.

Yeah. It ricochets and hits somebody in the left. Hit the woman in the leg. Boom. And she goes, I'm hit. And she falls. And on the ground, he's like, listen, I swear to you, he was, she, it didn't break the skin. Like, literally there was a, the cop took 10 photos, a different angles.

You try to make it look horrible. He was like, it's clearly a BB. It didn't break the skin. But, but he goes, he said, we immediately got, like, she screamed like, you hear the and. I'm hit and he was like, oh God, and they ran. They don't even get the money. They take off on the run.

He goes home, goes immediately to the dorm where he's staying, shaves his head. Oh, geez. So he's sitting there. He goes, I'm shaved my head. I'm bleeding. My roommate walks in. You can hear sirens.

He was like, hey, man, did you just hear that? Somebody robbed the bank. You know, and he's like, yeah. They're like, why are you shaving your head? They take a cut? Yeah, of course, within a day. Like, the next day, they grab him. Why did you shave your head?

What? You had hair yesterday. He gets locked and he's like and I'm like he's like when we're running he said why did you shoot the BB gun he's like I don't know bro I just thought I was trying to make a point he's like it's the BB gun they weren't listening to shooting the BB gun wasn't going stupid just coming on your head tink ah teat he said he used to always joke the fact that she screamed I'm hit you know yeah Was that just a patron? That wasn't even to tell her. No, it was just some woman in the wild. I'm bleeding now. Yeah.

Everybody's so dramatic. Get a tourniquette. Get a turtick. I'm not going to make it. Tell my family I love him. Get up, March. Stand up. Get up, Mark.

Dude, I picture that dude, we got to go on the lamb. You can hear them. That'd be you. That be me. I'd be a paranoid. Like, you were talking, like, you see a cop behind me too? I'm like, or at the airport? They know.

I don't, fuck, why is that dog looking at me? And I don't even have drugs on me. Like, I don't even do drugs. I'm like, that fucking dogs on me. Listen, what does somebody pack my bag? They know I have more than four ounces of liquid. Do you ever see Sam Kinnison? Remember Sam Kinnison?

He had a whole skit about the girlfriend. He cheats on his girlfriend. He was like, he cheated on her. And he said, and then I'm like, look, I know it's horrible. I'm leaving. And then she's like, no, no, don't leave. And she hugs me and she's crying. And I thought, my God, what an amazing woman.

He goes, what I didn't hear when she was sobbing was don't leave yet. I haven't gotten you back. And he goes, a week later, I go to a comedy club. And she packs her bag. And she puts a loaded 38 in there, her 22. And he said, I go through, I'm going through. And all of a sudden you hear, beep, beep, beep. And I'm standing there looking around.

All of a sudden, you hear somebody go, he's got a gun he's got a gun and I thought oh my god someone's trying to get a gun for you I'm about to see some shit and he's like I'm looking around I started realizing they're coming towards me because they're coming towards me with their weapons I think that bitch I wonder if that's probably true it's probably he was insane yeah he was the best he was yeah I heard he did like the one album or whatever

and then when he was getting started getting really famous it was it wasn't as good oh yeah well stuff. That you use a lot of your, some of the, some of their best. Your best stuff. And plus you're hungry. Yeah. You're on the grind, you know. And then when you get famous, like, well, now what's the struggle? Right. How are you going to write good bits? That's why I'm funny because I've been struggling the whole career. Like, that's why I'm constantly coming up with good shit. It's, it's funny because the, um, somebody was talking about, uh, this was probably a couple years ago. Somebody was talking to me, like, well, how do you,

you know these guys they have good stories what do you look for i'm like you know i mean i look for if they can tell their story right like you could you could have sold 200 million dollars in an amazing Ponzi scheme but you can't tell your story you could have had all the media it could be phenomenal but you just can't tell it it's no good and you can have a crick head that's been in four car chases with the police and has been in and out of jail 20 times over the last 20 years but he can tell a story yeah and they're hilarious i'd rather have that guy but what I've noticed is that I I mean there's more to this but I used to always say like losers have the best story

because some guy who went to high school graduated went to college met a girl married her got the job he wanted right out of college they had a kid they've got they got two kids he teaches you know he teaches little league right now like great guy he's that is the guy that is the great American success story that's the middle class he runs this country god bless him he doesn't have a story no you know lives in a cold a sack his wife's cheating on him like that's just like what's his story like i'm sure he's a nice guy but he you have to have been through some shit you have to have been evicted you have to have some domestic violence in there you've got to have you got to beat your wife if you want a good story

if you want to have a good story you want to have a good story you're going to start punching on you It doesn't have to be crime But you have to have gone through You have to have an alcohol problem You mean a head addict Yeah We can talk Dude I'm sober 11 years

I got stories Yeah I was a train wreck I was a couple bottles a day For legit Really? Oh hell yeah See those are probably the more interesting

Stuff look all Like I did I did cruise ships for 10 years I was working as a comic on a cruise ship I did carnival for 10 years I was fucking lost It was soul crushing. See, we should have just started with your story.

I mean, I think, this is what I think was. I mean, it's been flowing so good. I think I'm just going to have you do a little intro like, hey, me and Tom Simon, we're at a, we're at a comedy club. Oh, okay. And then we brought to do a little intro and then I just started off when they ask you. Because I think it's interesting for the audience. I think it's always interesting for the audience to see someone who doesn't know Matt's story realize the story. Yeah.

Yeah. The story. Especially a comic. Yeah, yeah. We just met. Yeah. I'll send you a podcast. It's funny because I always think, when I were, I think the best podcast I did was probably

Danny's or soft white underbelly. But everybody else is, everybody else says, so I did, do you know who Lex Friedman is? Yeah. So I did Lex Friedman. Oh, cool. And it was seven hours? Seven hours. Oh, my God.

No, it was actually, I think it's six and a half now. I think it was like seven and a half. He trimmed it down to six and a half. It's one of the longest podcasts. he's ever done. And I wouldn't have been that long. I was ready to go and do my two-hour bid. That's it. But instead, he just kept asking questions and asking question. And I was like, and I, and during the break, I was like, bro, I can wrap this up. He was no, keep going. I want to go as long as we. I was like, you're like, I'm going to need a sandwich. Is people watching six

hours of contact? It was 11.1 million so far. I mean, we have, no, I'm sorry, one, sorry, one point one. We have a 20 hour video on Matt's channel of him telling his story. Wow. 20 hours. I mean, it's told over the course of six months. And it's got over 100,000 views. Yeah. Because they're probably just watching. Oh, yeah, they listen to a little bit. It's truck drivers.

They're forklift. They might have a job where they can listen six, seven hours a day. You're doing drywall for eight hours. You just, and you, you know. I mean, there was a comment on. Like your wife. She's doing dry. When she's doing drywall.

I mean, you know, I mean, you know. One of the most, like, comments on the last video was like, who else falls asleep to Matt Cox every night? Oh. Yeah. Those people in the comments. I used to go to sleep to forensics. files you know you want to hear like about death and i i did a like a junket for uh for this

this guy uh my wife and i and um somewhere in the keys was it was cargo that was key i don't know biscuit anyway one of the keys down there we went to this resort and the guy that invited me to it kept introducing me as listen this is matt cox i go to sleep to him every night and i i you know and then after about the third one is that bro can you do me favor because you you're introducing like I just fall asleep. You just say I listened to him, his podcast. He might have met soothing voice, you know, old, old, what was his nickname? Jane saw.

I listen to old chainsaw. What would you say? Cudycocks. I used to know cute cootts going to bed. He was hardcore prison. Can I, I do want to, I do have a couple of questions real quick, which was one, Is, are you from Florida? Yeah, Born and Rose.

Oh, where? Yeah, in Broward area. Oh, okay. Yeah. Is Broward? No, that's Pascoe. To me, that sounds like Miami. Right next to Miami.

Yeah, Fort Lauderdale. Okay. I was thinking of Dade counties. Yeah, Broward Dade. Okay. Broward Dade. Yeah, yeah, you're right. In my mind, anything south of Fort Pierce is Miami.

I'll straight out the trailer park. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I see that. Yeah. I'm not pulling a punch. I'm not hiding anything.

Listen, when I met my wife, and I kept hitting on her, she was like, I'm not dating you. She's like, I'm going to make fun of guys like you. And she goes, whatever, am I fulfilling some kind of white trash fantasy you have? I'm like, Jesus. She was like, hardcore, like, mean about it. You're like, maybe. Try him. You have a chance.

But, yeah, I was going to say, I know I used to do Freedom of Information Acts when I would interview these guys and I'd want to get their criminal. and Dade Broward share a jail. Oh, yeah. The Sheriff's Department. It's like that Dave Broward something. I think they share. So anyway, because I know cops.

Dade Broward. Yeah. So you were born down there. And you said, like, you went to school. Yeah, I went to Marine, for Marine Biology and Nova Southeastern.

Why? Did five years. Because I wanted to put pills and fish, ultimately. Right. I didn't know why. Like, not I look back on it. Well,

I think it stem from when I was like a kid. kid. I mean, I always wanted to just go play football, but for some reason, I took it like an academic scholarship. And then I think it's stemmed from going to SeaWorld and stuff and watching like the marine, the mammal trainers, um, entertained. They're riding these whales and I always thought it was cool. And I was like, I want to do that. So I kind of wanted to do that. I wanted to be a marine mammal trainer. I guess I just wanted to kind of be an entertainer and pick up chicks. You know, I think that was it. I think it was like, so I could be like, I have a giant whale. I'd love to show you.

And I'm like, sure you do. No, I really have a giant whale. But I wanted to do that. Come back to my place. I'll show you my giant whale. I just wanted that one line. I knew that they weren't using it. They're probably not using this.

It's a genius. So I was like, and then I sent away letters for them and they only made like eight bucks an hour. I'm like, how do you live off? Like you can't even, they house you, I guess. But they got it. Every once in a while, an orca will grab a hold of them and drag it around. And exactly.

And they don't get some views. But that's the thing, Blackfish? Did you see Blackfish? Did you see Blackfish? The documentary, Blackfish? No, I was incarcerated. It wasn't on the inmate movie channel. Oh, wasn't?

But I heard about it. All the inmates are picketing. Free the whales. But yeah, they are us. It's hard to watch. It's like really sad. Yeah, no, it's really good. And I would have been on that documentary if I had gotten the job at SeaWorld

because they were all like disgruntled, but they were the same year that I sent away that I would have did it. Like, they were all out just talking about the abuse. of the way that was that was that was the the trainer that got dragged around was she on i remember that's what i was talking about where they grab her by the and she couldn't get she well she died yeah yeah i know so they that's what sparked this whole documentary oh okay okay so and then i then i was like well let me just go to you know i i enjoyed jacousto when i was like a kid and i was like let me just colby has no idea who jacquesa jac chakusto is like a french what i was just thinking i have

no idea what he was like the big i know sorry i guess i guess why would you know that it's not like a big he was like an explorer of the ocean yeah when we grew up there were three chances yeah yeah he was on one of them yeah and he was constantly he built a whole habitat under under the ocean and lived there yeah they lived under the ocean like it was super and then did everything like things with sharks and i just thought it was so it was like the coolest thing you could possibly do in my mind back then yeah and then when i got to college it's like down now you're basically in marine biology you're basically pre-med for like so you're doing you're not even seeing the ocean I'm three years in I'm like when are we going to go to the ocean

like can we never go so so I dropped out like I think I had like 15 20 credits left and I was like I don't want to do I just like I'd rather just pay student loans right and just so so I just dropped out and then I think a couple years later it was like I was doing a lot of like promotional stuff. I was modeling. And like it's fucking horrible. Like it was so gay. Like you talk about like I was doing like some runway stuff.

I wasn't like a chisel job. I was cut. I was still lean. I was, you know, but I wasn't a model, but I did it. But it was so,

it was so like degrading and stupid. I'm like, what are we doing? And then I would always just crack jokes. I feel like this is like what was, what was his name? The guy, the wrestler that was trying to,

make me feel bad for him um the local he's a local wrestler yeah there was a wrestler who who also were owned like a studio and he um he actually had they had a lot of the girls living in houses and he was living there because they kept getting their fights and they were a train wreck he's like he's like you know and these women he's like you know they're constantly throwing themselves at you they're bored and you know they're all yeah johnny walker Johnny Walker. He's like in there, and they're in there,

he's trying to make you feel bad for him. He's like, you know, and every night it's like, you know, who can, ooh, they're trying to, like, it's a game to try and sleep with me.

He's like, you know, and after a while, it's just like enough. You know, I'm sick of them. And I'm just like, this sounds nothing like that.

Yeah. No, that was just that. I was a model and I, you know, I know, it sounds. It's so degrading. Oh, no. No, no, it was gay.

It was what I meant to say. I don't know. I didn't want to expose it like that. These women were looking at me. No, the women see me. No, these women weren't looking at it. That was the gay part. Like, it was like, I tried doing it for a little while.

And I thought this was horrible. And then, then we were doing promotional stuff. Like, we worked for Marlboro, go to these nightclubs late at night and pass out like Marlboro. You got the good beard. Yeah, well, I did that for the movie. I'll explain that later. Okay. I was going to say, I can't grow a beard like that.

I can't grow a thick beard like that. Oh, no. No, I look like a hard. homeless person. I have like patches that don't grow or they're real thin. Yeah. It's just, yeah, it's because you're cutie cox. Thank God you weren't there to give me that name. That would have stuck. That one of them. Cudy cox would have stuck. That would have been horrible. This is quite a few big guys, big guys that lifeers that were like, how are you doing?

So, so I was like, well, I don't know what to do in my life. And then my friend was saying, I'm going to be, I'm going to do stand-up at this club. And I'm like, you're going to do what? And I knew what comedy was, but I thought they were like unicorns back in the night. I'm like, how do you become a comic? You got to be in L.A. You got to do whatever. Right.

So he went up to do the open mic and then he wrote jokes or whatever, but then backed out. Got nervous. Well, why are we here? I mean, I could understand that. I'd be pretty nervous. But he was gung ho and I'm like, oh, this is going to be amazing. I can't wait to see you. And then he's like, I don't know.

And I'm like, we were doing promotions. We were talking in front of people doing. all these things. So I'm like, I can do it. I'm like, I'll do it. Give me those jokes you wrote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, no, basically, I was like, well, what do you got to do? And just like, you know, write three minutes or whatever. And then so I was like, oh, I'd do it the following week. And so I did the following week. And it was a train wreck. And I was like, this is what I want to do. So I quit. Somebody threw something. After three months of modeling, I quit modeling. I wasn't saved up enough to go full time. I had made nothing on it. No, I was bartending.

I was bartender Rainforest Cafe That's where my criminal history comes in Since we're on a criminal podcast I might as well fill the beans He what? He wore a fanny pack Yeah remember At Rainforest Cafe

He looked like a gay Panama Jack It was horrendous It was so degrading But I got to the bead Behind the bar and stuff And we would rob that place blah Right How my God

Just just because a lot of foreigners There paid in cash You know, you'd just be like, you know, 1495, two jungle runners. And you'd like, it's 14. You just type it in on the computer and then verbally, this is 1495. They give you a 20. It's 20. And then you go, remember in your mind to change, do, here you go, go back a little later.

Oh, now I took out 796. And, you know, and next time you get the cash, then right under the bucket, as long as you do a transaction. They have no idea. No idea. Like, I would literally, if something, like, walk out of there with days where it'd be like, you didn't have any cash sales? Like, it's just all credit cards. It's crazy.

Like, I don't know. Everybody's got credit cards these days. Right. So I'd walk out of there with nothing. But we had, we were all doing it, too. Just can't incriminate me, right? That's the actual limitations. Yeah.

It's their doubled, like, it's been, probably up a 20th of them here. But I didn't feel bad because it was corporate. And I was, I was doing them favors. Like, I was pouring the well when it should have been the, the better premium stuff. So I was saving them money. Yeah. You don't have to explain to me.

No, I'm with you. Yeah. For more for her. I was saving them money. And it's like, I didn't notice about you. But I worked with some, but he had this one girl's friend of mine. And, but she would be like, she wouldn't even go to the register. Just go to start doing.

I'm like, what are you doing? She's counting out change from her pocket to, like, at least pretend like we're putting it in there. Like you're the worst criminal I thought it was pretty good I thought I had a future in this Right and everybody eventually got fired Got caught got fired

Never got caught Never got I did They had me on a loophole Like a they were like They called me in They were like I'm sorry can you stop at loophole? Yeah

Wade I just realized Wade Where hold on landing Okay Hold on Sorry No you're good Bro I'm in the middle of a podcast

period. Can you Uber here? Question mark. You have a buddy of mine who, um, uh, who does a podcast that he came here and did a podcast before he's going to actually we're going to redo his podcast because it was three years ago. He actually, um, quick story is he and his wife were married. They got separated. She started dating somebody else. Um, they, they ended up reconciling the old, the new boyfriend is upset about it. When she breaks up with him, he's telling everybody he's going to, basically he's a drunk. And he's telling him, be like, I'm going to fucking kill this motherfucker. They have a mutual friend who gets the two of them together to kind of talk about.

Like, hey, calm down. The guy's like, I just want to ask him some questions. He's like, okay, so talks to Wade, says, Wade, how long were you seeing her? I was really in love with her. Were you guys really was, you know, and he's like, no, no, she was, she does care about you. She did care about you. We have kids together. We reconciled.

I understand where you're at. You know, he's like, okay. Well, they, they were drinking. and then they went back to his place. His buddy had to go to work the next day, so whatever. So Wade agrees to drive this guy back. They go to his place real quick for some reason. I forget what the reason is.

Go inside and he's like, I'm going to drive him back to his place. I don't know if I have this exactly right. But they get to his kitchen and in his kitchen, there's only one way in, one way out. They start talking. He's like, everything's fine. They get into a slight argument. Not, I'm sorry. They have a good time, whatever.

he's like I'm basically it's like you can sleep here or I can just drive you home he's like he yeah yeah yeah we're about to leave the guy goes let me go to the bathroom goes in the bathroom comes back walks in the kitchen he just looks completely different looks at him he goes I'm gonna fucking kill you he goes what he doesn't just attacks him he's so I'm wedged up in the corner of the I'm fighting with this fucking guy ex fucking military um wait is not ex-military um gets this fight kicking him off pushing him back the guys punched him a bunch of times. Wade, at one point, he said, I get him like a bear hug and I'm telling him like,

like Wade's like, Wade's armed. He says, concealed weapons for me. He's like, bro, he's like, I will fucking shoot you if you, if you fucking don't stop this. The guy still struggling. Pushes him back. Guy comes in again. Pushes him back again. And he's like, I can't get out because he's in front of the doorway. He goes, I pulled my fucking gun.

Boom, boom, boom. Shoot him twice. The guy dead. When the authorities show up, they take the, they take him away. They take the, take his report. And a couple days later, they charge Wade with manslaughter. No, no, with murder, with killing him. And

Wade ends up fight. He goes to jail. He bonds out right away. Hires an attorney. Spends his entire 401K on this attorney and forensic everything and takes about two years before they eventually drop the case. They go, okay, we're going to drop it. The fact that this guy attacked him in his own house and he executed, like the fact that they even charged him,

right is ridiculous but it was really pushed by this one detect female detective it was the first case her first case is an homicide since then by the way she's been demoted all the way down to she's like he's like a school resource officer anyway uh but wait has a podcast and we're friends and so he's cool oh cool he'd be an interesting guy yeah pick out in the crowd yeah yeah i know come bring them tonight yeah yeah come out to the show oh yeah oh you got it oh do you have two tonight so then i'll get tickets just come and hang out with us I'm not gonna pay I know I know but it goes without saying it doesn't matter yeah sometimes

I'll just walk in with confidence you usually walk in a place for confidence yeah they just yeah they should be here we don't have yeah we need people go and get on them it brings you're saying when people are leaving it's like look yeah please come back please bring someone yeah for real if you leave if you leave you bring back two more people

yeah come come out so okay sorry I'm sorry but you were saying you go ahead oh what was this um what were we no you said stop But when I almost got, the only time I didn't get fired, when they called me in and I was, my till was over. See? So I was, I was like, yeah, you're welcome.

Yeah. And they, they were like, and I'm like, I knew. At that point, I'm like, this is mutual. I'm going to, I'm going to go. And they're like, yeah. So it was going to, that was like being fired. Yeah. We all.

You know, I'm so offended that you even brought me in here. I can't work here anymore. Yeah. And I don't do it. Okay. Yeah, I turned it on them. Yeah, so that, no, I'm leaving. So it was kind of like that.

Listen, I had, I told this one. Remember the popcorn story? I was thinking, I was thinking, this is a buddy. This was in high school. He worked at a, at a movie place at like AMC. And we would go in there. He'd like, let us in like the side, go, go meet me at the side at this time and I'll unlock the door. You know, he'd let you in.

Or he'd act, he'd be like, come on, I'll let you, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's a buddy in mind. So I remember I asked him because he worked there like for years. I worked at a theater. And we said, bro, what do you, why do you work here? You know, we're all working like construction jobs where you're getting paid. Back then, he's getting paid like $3, like whatever minimum wage, like $3.65, right? And we're like, we're all making like $8, you know, which is big money. And we're like, what do you work here for, bro?

And we're still, we're all like 16, 17 years old. And he goes, man, I make like $20, $25 an hour working. And we're like, what? That you said you made minimum wage. He's, oh, yeah, no, no, no, no. what we do is he said everything is is run off of inventory so he said if somebody comes up and they say hey it's two coax and a popcorn is that comes to $20. So we say he said or maybe it comes to 1975 he's like we hit the thing take the 20 hit the thing

give them a quarter from your pocket take the 20 and then we give them a popcorn two coax and a popcorn he's like I'm like well what do you mean where do you get the he's anything in the night they count up the the popcorn bags or you sold 690 of these you need this much for popcorn and this many for for drinks for mediums and this many larges he said well what we do is when we go to take out the garbage we pull out the old ones wash them out what stack dry them out stack them up so we have a second stack we all know to pull from if you get exact change. So he would,

here's your boom, boom, and he had a whole thing where he said, I was like, bro, that is disgusting. He's,

oh, he says, nothing. He said, one time I had taken out the garbage and we hadn't washed out the cups

yet. And this guy gave me like a 20 for like two larges and a large popcorn. It was exactly $20. And I was like,

like, that's $20 in my pocket. And I was like, back then, that's 60 bucks. Right. So he grabs, he said,

I grabbed the one. And he said, there's still some, some, you know, Coke in the bottom, you know, little, little bubbles of Coke or whatever you want, droplets. He was, no big deal. I fill it up. The next one I grabbed, he was, there's a couple of corns of popcorn. And a chewed up piece of gum. Ew. And he said, I hit the, he goes, I hit the ice machine, pour the ice, fill it up, pop it up, give it to him, never heard anything about it.

I was like, yeah, you wouldn't. It's dark theater. I know. Never eat out. Like, never, I worked at Little Caesars. I remember we dropped the dough, and my guy, this guy dropped all the dough in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, at the end of the head, I'm like, we got to do this over. He starts putting them all back in the things, I'm like, dude, that was my first introduction when I was 15 to how dirty, you know, and then working into restaurant industry, the, the five second rule. Right.

That applies, like everything is, yeah, it's garbage. I love it. Whenever we go out to eat, Jess and I go out there, like, what do you want? Do you want this? Do you want that? I'm like, no, whatever. Either one of the, either one's fine. Yeah, no, okay. Do you want it this way? You have no idea what I've eaten. Like, do you understand? They don't make any bad food out here. There's nothing on the menu I won't eat and be thankful for it. Unless it's so hot because I don't want hot stuff. But other than that. How bad is the food in there? It's pretty bad. It's not as bad as you think. Do you eat like that? No, it's not like that. When you see a movie in the TV, they come home. That's like state prison. That's like state prison where these guys are getting robbed and beat up and there's rapes and so like this, that's not. That's very seldomly happening. Was there rapes in your prison?

I mean, you know, there's the thing like gay guys get arrested. Yeah, gay guys get arrested. So gay guys in prison, like, you know, they'll, the gay guys will tell you like, like, oh, you know, gay guys rock or they rule in prison. Like, they get there and within a week, like, guys are buying them tennis shoes. They're buying them. Because these guys have 30 years, life sentences. Yeah. And, you know, so they're like, you know, if you need any.

And that's how it always starts. You have some guy come up and you go, hey, you need anything. No. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I like the way them pants fit you. All right, we're done. We're done.

What the fuck you just said? With the funny cutie coot-cocks. Yeah, but I'm five foot six. They just put their hand on my head. They're like, stop it. But still, you got to fight through it. And they're like, he means this. Don't mess with cutie cox

Oh listen I have a whole I have a whole bit About when I first got to prison This is bad I was going to say I was going to say First of all Like imagine

Imagine me Yeah How many years ago No way no On that shell shank line 18 years ago So 18 years ago Remove some wrinkles

But you know maybe a little thinner, I get to prison. And when I get to prison, what I didn't realize is that all the pants size run a little bit small. So I go, the day, the second day you get there, you go and you get your, you get your clothes. So I get my clothes. And I go and the guy, I'm like, yeah, size, whatever I said, I forget, like size 30 or 31s. And he's like, you're more like a 34, 35.

And I went, never been a, I'm not a, what are you talking about? I said, no, 31, maybe 32's at most. Guy goes, uh, all right. And he just kind of, okay, gives me my stuff. Well, they run small. So I'm basically, by the time I pull my pants on, like I'm, I'm sporting a camel toe. I got a camel. I'm walking around prison and tight, tidy little pants.

You couldn't get it back. Yeah, I could, but it takes a while. Like you have to go back in, give them the club right a cop out. You have to, it's a, it's a, it takes a couple of days. So I'm walking around. sport my my campel toe and i'm a clean cut white guy in a in a medium security prison with that is i'd say 90% of the guys there are there for violence you know and drugs and i'm one of there maybe 20 to 30 white guys the bulk of them i'd say 80% maybe 70% is black

and then 25% is probably Hispanic and then maybe 5% white guys. Out of those, let's say 30, out of those 30, I'm one of maybe four white guys that's, there's maybe four white guys that aren't there for meth. So out of those 30 guys, like, I have nothing. Like, I have all my teeth. Right. You know, like I. Tight-ass pants.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I very quickly. It's hot pants. That's hot pants. Some skin tights. That's what they could have called me. Hot pants. See, people in the comment section will now start calling, yo, hot hand.

So I got these guys, and I only say this. I only say this because it's what happened. It's not racist or nothing to do it. But it just happened to be over the next few days or the next week, multiple large black guys walk up and you, yo, bro, can I talk to you for a second? And I'm like, yeah, what's going on? Let me talk to you over here. Over there where there's no cameras? I'm talking here.

What's going on? I'm just saying, you know, I'm looking for me a friend. It's a friendly place. What do you mean? I don't understand what you mean. And he's like, you know, I'm just saying, you know, you need anything? No. What size shoes?

You almost get you some shoes? No, I don't need any shoes. I don't need any shoes. What do you like to eat, man? I got whatever you need, man. I got you. I'm good, bro. I'm good.

I'm good. What's going on? What is this about? Now suddenly there's some, I'm starting to throw some, a little bit of a little bit of a base of my voice. You know what I'm saying? I don't understand. What do you mean? What do you look? What do you? What do? Yeah. So. It's like, do like, I, I'm just saying, you know, use a use it. Because gays, they call, they call them called gay. They call them puns. Use a punk. I mean, I mean, you use gay, right? No. No. No. I don't know where you heard that. Yo, bro, I'm done with this conversation. Turn around and walk away. The next time I'm walk. The next time I'm walking. I'm walking a couple days later, I'm walking, and I'm, I realize, I'm now start to realize, like, guys are now saying, yo, bro, what's, other white guys are like, what's up with the, uh, Camel Toe, what's happening with, I'm like, you didn't know, you know, I'm like, listen, man, I put in a cop out. I'm going to get my shit changed. I didn't know. I mean, I don't know what else to do. I, you know, I'm, you know, um, and they're like, yeah, you got to fix this, bro. Yeah. Um, and I'm trying. I'm trying. And then I'm walking. I get some guys that comes up to me, some people like, hey, let me, let me, let me talk you to them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. what's up guys like yo i walk in the kitchen you need anything let me know i'm like no no i'm saying you need anything like oh you what size shoes are you what's i shoot no bro i don't need shoes it's a big deal it's a big ticket items like could be between 50 or 50 bucks to a hundred and that's kind of flattering they're gonna give shoes they're on the shoes day one i get it i get it it it's just not happening there's there's a price to pay

it's far more than 40 shoes bro yeah yeah i'm not worth shoes yeah there is a price excuse me now you're getting all defensive what's funny this ass this happened like you turned in like so you know I heard you got 26 years like yeah you need I need a cell phone this goes on for like four or five days I need my own TV it's like four or five guys come up to me I don't so finally and this is what's funny this is when my buddy Zach I have a buddy Zach that I met in prison we do podcast together he big black guy so another guy had already told me, yo, bro, there's this guy who wants to meet you.

And I'm like, why? I'm not talking to anybody at this point. I'm up against a fence, my back against the wall. I'm staying where the cameras are. You feel like around the perimeter. Yeah, I'm like, I'm going to my cell. I'm going to my cell at the last minute just before they do lockdown.

You know, I'm not, I'm realizing this is going to be a problem. So, so then my buddy, Zach comes up, he comes up to me, he walks up to me. He walks right up to me. We have two different versions of how this happened, but either way, it's the same thing. I just, I think I was up where the fences were, waiting for them to open the fence so you could go back to the unit in the, in the, in the rec yard. So I'm standing there, and Zach walks up to me, just kind of stands in for a minute. He goes, hey, I hear we got a lot in common. And I just walk off.

I was like, I know where, I have shoes. Yeah, yeah, I already have to do. Stop it. Do I walk off? Now you know how these chicks feel in the box. I get that's horrible. I'm sitting there like, hey, eye contact, stop it. Eyes up here.

I'm wearing my shirt on the top, walking around. Hold it down by my knees. I luckily, listen, by the time I get my pants, it's been too late. It's way too late. It was, you know, I missed the one thing that really sealed the deal was when I first got there. So I was held in the U.S. Marshals holdover for a year while waiting to be sentenced. in Atlanta.

There was a black guy named Kiki. Hey y'all. Kiki's here. But there's like maybe a hundred guys in this unit, right? You never leave the unit. Well, there's no politics. There's no prison politics there, right? So everybody knows Kiki.

Everybody's sitting together, playing cars together, joking around. There's no like, yo, I don't talk to that punk, bro. I don't talk to pun. None of that. Like the kind of stuff that happens once you get to prison, everybody knows this is temporary. So they're not pretending. plus they're waiting to be sentenced.

You don't want to get into a problem. You know, you could say that. You could say something derogatory about a gay guy, but he's still a guy. Yeah. And yeah, most of them are nonviolent, but you don't know what this guy might do. You disrespect him. It's still a guy. He may attack you.

Now I've got to go in front of the judge and the prosecutor saying, oh, your honor, he's being sentenced to five years. But by the way, he got into a fight while he's been waiting to be sentenced. We want to add another year for whatever. You know, you don't know. Right. So everybody's very polite. So when I first get to prison, I go to, they call it.

It's a transition unit before they give you your main unit. So you go there, I go there, walk in the door on the second tier. As soon as I walk in, and I mean, there's people everywhere. Everybody's out of their cells. I walk in and I hear, hey, hey, I look up and it's Kiki going, Matt, Matt, and I go, hey, Kiki, what's going on? He's like, hey, Mike Abbott's so excited. Comes running down.

We talk for a couple of minutes. in front of 150 fucking guys at my new unit so and then the next day I pick up my fucking my cameltoe pants no so you can imagine like you couldn't you couldn't I would have to do it's just I get it I want to go to another prison at that point it's like I'll do the six months in the shoe and wait to be transferred because I got to start okay we get a redo and you had to do a year there no I did I did three years in that three years and they just throughout the whole three years they were like did they after so once he's very hard to get Like, you got to really. Yeah, listen, it was on and off throughout the whole time. Mostly, though, I had a friend named John Gordon, and I had a friend named Zach. And so Zach and them very quickly, because guys would go to them and say, yo, bro, I see you walking around with that, with that punk. He available. Like, what's going on with that?

No, no, no, no. He's not gay, bro. They be like, don't approach him, don't this. He's not. He's not. Nah, he on the D.L. No, no. No, he's not gay.

And they were like, you don't, I've seen them pants. He was wearing. No. Yeah. It was a sizing mistake. Listen, it was a sizing mix up. Here's what happened. Dude, that guy who gave him to is probably like, oh, that dude.

He was like, yo, bro, I don't think that I was like, no, I know what size I am. He was like, okay. Like, he was like, look, I just tried to help you. Yeah. And you didn't realize at that point. Yeah. That's happened many, many times in my life. Somebody tried to help.

A little bag, you might not hurt. Yeah. You weren't thinking of it. You go on the extreme opposite, tight. I want them fit. I want them to look good. I'm going to get a taper. Yeah.

It'll be a little long. I want to cough. Yeah. That's great. What were you going to say about? I had a couple stories of what I was thinking about right now, though, was just like, I wonder if I should title this podcast being gay in prison. Oh, my God.

Help me with that. Yeah. And then I know my face is up. Oh, yeah. It would be all faces. And then I'm sure I get text from Matt, like, bro, we have to change this. That's a new demographic. Most of the time I have no idea what's coming out until something comes.

Until I start getting these comments. And I'll look and I'll be like, what is this guy talking about? And they're like, what did Colby do? And then I see this thumbnail of, you know, and then I look at the first 20 seconds is he does like a, I call it like a hook, like an intro where it's like you'll say something and then I'll say something. It's just a bunch of clips that kind of let you know what's coming. I can see.

And then the 20 second clip, I'll be going. hey you'll be like oh my god i'll be saying cameltoe and you'll be laughing about they're buying me shoes i mean i'll be like speaking of clips like the clips guys that we're talking about earlier nine million views 11 days ago it's it's basically matt telling these stories me mistaken for being gay in prison so it could be a popular that's you know that's a topic that applies like a lot of people kind of wonder that or think like it's like an intriguing topic that someone who may not be interested in prison they might see that and like oh like what put that, being gay in prison.

No, I know that, but you don't understand. Colby... So I'm going to say that. Colby's not concerned about my reputation. It's going to be... The first 15 seconds is going to be Matt doing all the imitations that he was just doing. The Kiki imitation and all that time.

But you got me doing something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like, Jesus, these two guys are flampling. So we... My favorite story is my buddy was, Zach was... I'll tell you another one. Oh, yeah. Then we get back into the comedy thing.

Sorry. Zach was in like I think they call it bloody Beaumont I think it was Beaumont I think it was a bloody Beaumont which is a pin he's the only guy managed to come in at a low that I know that went from low to a medium to a pin it's like you just can't get right like what's wrong with you you keep fucking up and never left the pin like he went from one pin I think to another pin anyway did he did he go to a medium I just know he worked his way up that's all I know so anyway it's so you know

I depend like these kind of like it's you put they call them cars so it's not like a gang so much but you would be in like the Florida car so he ends up with I'm going to say he ends up with the Florida car or the Texas car whatever it was he goes in there and he says oh I'm from Florida and they're like oh you're with the Florida car so you can go hang out with the guys from Florida where you from whatever they check your paperwork make sure you're a good you're solid whatever so he ends up with this group of guys and he said so we're there anyway he said six months later whatever he said uh the main like shot caller for the car invites everybody in to his room.

He's like, yo, bro, they disrespected us. They disrespected. And he starts, gets them all hyped up, right? Like, bro, tomorrow it's going down in the rec yard. We're going to everybody fucking, he goes, you got your blades. And a guy starts handing out like blades, right? Like, I've never been in this situation. But if I found, saw one time I found one and I went to my cousin and I was like, hey, man,

there's a thing over there. And he's like, oh, shit. He wouldn't told another inmate to go get it. Like, I'm not touching it. Like, I'm not that guy. So, but, so Zach, they give him a blade. Like, all these guys got blades. They're all pumped up.

They're like, yeah, they're like, yeah, we're going to fucking show them not to talk shit. And I don't think it was Florida, but I think it was in whatever state it was. We're going to tell them what Florida's all about. Yeah, fuck those motherfuckers. We're going to war. And they're like, yeah, fuck those motherfuck. Yeah, it's in the fucking 12 o'clock. And then, yeah, fuck them.

And so Zach's in there. Zach's like, he's like, and I'm thinking, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking, fuck what it's going on, bro. What have I got myself into? Yeah. But Zach is not that guy either. And Zach sat there and he said, hey, and he said, well, there's like eight or nine of them in this cell,

which doesn't hold eight or nine. Like they're crammed in there. And he goes, hey, he said, what, what do we, what are we going to war for? And he goes, yo, and the main guy, the main guy goes, you know, man, they, they disrespected my boy. And he goes, what? He said, my boy, bro. another one of them dudes tried my boy and what that means is that another guy approached

the guy that he's his boyfriend and and he goes you mean the the punk used to be with or used to live with he's like yeah man that's my boy disrespected him and he goes yo man he said I don't want to go to war over a punk bro I don't want to do that and they were all like all sudden he said everybody was like yeah bro I'm not ready to pick up a fucking murder charge or a riot charge or get stabbed or have to do two years in the shoe and get shipped to a worst prison because somebody approach your, your boyfriend. And so they're like, yeah, bro, I, uh, ran it in their little knives.

Like an after school special. I'm not. And then he said, he's like, when we kind of left the cell, he's like, guys are walking up to me. Yeah, bro, thank God you said something. I had no idea. I didn't even realize.

Like, I'm just trying to be a good soldier, you know, And he's like, yeah, man, what the fuck? Ellen of Troy in prison? I feel like there could be. I feel like there could be a comedy show, prison show. That would be a great. Like, I really do. I think there's a lot of.

You see all these murders. Well, I'm telling you, when Matt and Zach get together, it is a comedy show. That was a good episode. Didn't we do one? This was three years or four years ago. We just told funny prison stories. Yeah. But you know how, like, Matt.

It was such a hit. And that's like in a war situation. And they made it, you know, there were so many funny elements in the middle of a stressful, you know what I mean? Like I could see this be in the next smash. Because rape is funny. You know, I don't care. That'll be the clip the opening, just no context. Well, that will be muted.

Yeah. For you too. Yeah. To stay monetized. There's all kinds, like, there's a bunch of little tiny things. that like you're probably already have the content. You and I could have the exact same content

but Colby will package that content differently. Yeah. And I'll end up with half a million subscribers and you'll end up with 10,000. Same exact content, but Colby will put the right thumbnails on. He'll name them the right things. He will get the monetization down.

He will edit them correctly with a hook. He will do just some minor things that will change everything. Now, hashtags really don't matter. What matters, especially if you're talking about clips, like the most important thing is that first second, it has to be something that's going to draw somebody in. You know what I mean? And the title.

Yeah, yeah. And the title. Well, those are vertical videos. So people aren't even really looking at the titles. You know, the title and the packaging really matters more for like the long term form, like the full podcast. But the actual short clips, it doesn't, what matters is what the person is saying, how they're saying it. like they're you know i could tell you story and not be very confident mac can tell the same exact story but knows how to deliver it and he's speaking with so so confidence that people

were just like drawn in so it's like that type of you know verbiage or where you want to say it how they're what they're saying and how they're saying it and it's very important that that very first second that very first one or two seconds is attention grabbing because people are just yeah the first minute the first 30 seconds of a podcast yeah have to be good 20 seconds of it will just be him you and I just probably laughing and saying funny thing for 20 seconds and then immediately he'll cut right into you saying you talking we won't there's no we're not going to there will be no yeah yeah there might with this one there may be just if this one would be just because it's a little bit different than the actual normal format of somebody but yeah like

and then I'm writing down as we're going through I'm writing down things to create TikToks like I have, like, gay in prison, Kiki story, never eat out, popcorn story. So those are all things that I'm going to be creating TikToks for that have potential to maybe hit a million and things like that. So it's been able to identify those clips. Like, for example, Matt will tell a story about a movie. He'll be explaining a movie to someone and we'll cut it to where he's explaining the movie, but it sounds like he's explaining like he did it. Like, I did this, I did this.

and then half the comments will be like this guy's a fucking liar like this is a plot to this movie and it just drives the engagement but it'll get three million views as opposed to if you did the entire context nobody wants to hear me explain a movie so that would get 10,000

that is 10,000 views as opposed to two or three million even though 90% of the comments are he's a fucking liar scumbag you can't believe anything this guy said you know I'll take I'll take a thousand dollars for things it never happened.

I get that one. You know. Yeah. All these clever trolls. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a lot of little.

Yeah. I was telling my wife this other day. It was like people think it's just putting the clips out. But it is, it is a lot. It really doesn't have to do much with the editing or the hashtag. It's a lot of like little small things. The same thing with the.

Another thing is the packaging on what the thumbnail looks like and what the title looks like. Yeah. For long for him. Yeah. We have a guy. Ian Bick did a podcast for this guy. It's another, he's another podcaster, true crime podcaster. He did an interview with this guy was basically an hour long.

Guy was talking about, he was talking about fire sticks. Fire sticks, sorry, jail broke fire sticks. They sell them on Amazon. Anyway, he was selling him. He got arrested. He tells the story of the course of an hour. Put it on Ian's podcast. It got maybe 40,000 views.

Probably 30 to 40,000. I don't know what's at now. Yeah, I'll check. Guy came on the podcast, told the exact same story. He has a story down, which is great, because you just have to sit there and go, right, right? And so he, yeah, so Ian packaged it on Ian's podcast. It was titled Tech Pirate. Like, Tech Pirate sells Amazon Fire Sticks or something like that.

Right. Oh, but because the guy mentioned, he got arrested by Grady Judd. Ian is in Connecticut and probably doesn't know who Grady Judd is. But Colby happens to live in, in, Pasco? Polk County. He's very aware of who Grady Judd is, right? So am I. everybody Floridian is um and so he puts Grady Judd Sheriff Grady Judd you know what I'm talking about

yeah yeah he puts him on the front cover and then puts corruption that names it something about corrupt or what is it? Sheriff Grady Judd because that's like people might search Sheriff Grady Judd arrest Amazon scammers right so but he has him on the thing with the guy's photo the picture of the famous sheriff of this famous sheriff and that video got 1.2 million. Yeah. So, and that's the difference between,

you know, it's the same, it's a huge different. Same as that story. It's just packaged differently. So, yeah, a lot of the podcast.

It's adapting to the culture. This is how we consume information these days. It's like, I'm saying you probably already have the content. Yeah. So I mean, if you're really thinking, I mean,

if you're really thinking about, hey, how to do it. Packaging, how to deliver it on the, on the social. Like we have a Matt's buddy, Zach,

who is, you know, extremely charismatic, funny can do something very similar to this like I was just telling him especially for what we've done like we have the formula like we've figured out the formula over the last four years specifically for like

kind of like the true crime genre it's like we know what to do just have to now we just have to actually create the videos but yeah it's a learning experience yeah it's like Zach literally got within 30 days he started his channel 30 days later

we put up like three videos four videos for him. In 30 days he was monetized and making money. Wow. And he put up another couple videos and then just stopped. Wow. Like the first, the first month he made like, I think maybe was like, I think maybe it was like 300. Then it was like 600. And then he just stopped. So you could just just follow the formula. This doesn't take a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We set them up with Streamyard. We set them all you have to do is get some of your criminal friends and interview them over a stream yard, which is like Zoom. Interview them with you don't need the whole setup.

Just do that. Talk to him for an hour and a half. Post one of those videos once a week and wait six months. And this thing will be bringing in $2,000 to $4,000 within six months to a year. And that's conservative based on his numbers and his personality. Very conservative. The truth is it may be making $10,000 or $20,000 in six months. But that's if everything went really, really right.

But let's say conservatively within six months to a year, you're making $4,000 a month. $4,000 a month is probably what Zach is making right now. It's amazing. So, and you could do that just working an hour or two a week, just goofing off. And of course, if you did anything extra, and to me, it's like with me, anything, if I do something and then suddenly I see, hey, I made $1,000 at this, where most people are like, yeah, I got $1,000. I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, now I just need to, how do I add some zeros to this? Let's double down on it. Now we're going to turn this into $10,000.

That's what we need to do. You know, oh, fuck that $1,000. That's not going to pay my bills. but now that I see the formula let's just let's throw some testosterone on it how can we jack this thing and one thing that

I don't know how it would work with comedy bits like how long it takes but one thing that we try to capitalize especially in the beginning I mean still now but like trending events like something happens that people are interested in if you have a joke or a controversial take on it

that's a clip like those can go viral like that 1.5 or that 2 million viewed TikTok I was telling you about earlier it was about a trending event was about the shooting up in new york of the healthcare CEO so it's like we rush that specific clip because this just happened yeah every your everyday normal person cares about that subject um yeah like as far as a comedian there's a do you know this guy name uh damon darling he's a black guy wears timlin boots he's like a big beard so he's a comedian

um and i i know him not saying you you have to do this but like he walks up to people in gas stations that are like searching at like they're looking to buying beer and he just walks up to him and messes with him he's like you're struggling with it but just like I've been sober eight years myself and like uh just does these little clips but he's a he's a comedy or he goes up to somebody's like you know I got a comedy show coming up just random people in Walmart but he's got like 700,000 on um I wonder how that would work because I'm going to shoot at my own TV show yeah I think it's about these three guys that middle age guys to go back to college to play for division the worst division three school the country because they still have

eligibility yeah but it's going to be like the first pilot would be like an hour long but then episodes would be like 30 minutes 20 20 minutes so wanted to monetize that on YouTube like in clips you know like in segment wonder if that um you'd have to I mean we don't that's not our format so yeah but there's probably listen there's all kinds of YouTube channels that are doing stuff that I would never watch that are massive. You know what I'm saying? Like Mr. Beast? Yeah, never. Yeah. So like Mr. Yeah. There's so

many different things. Like Mr. Beast is like there's so many different formulas to work. Like what we figured out this specific formula works like for us and like this specific genre. And we've learned it through trial and air like where other people may spend you know

like two, three hours on one 60 second video. We realized we'd rather spend you know two hours and creating three and we have a better chance of one of those going viral and that's what we've been doing for a while and now we've realized

someone else is doing a little bit better like we're going to tweak it so it's as we increase like the things tweak and it's a lot of trial and error friend named Julian Dorey and he has a podcast very successful podcast

and he says that we're going with the quantity quantity over quality he's going with quality we're going with quantity that's exactly this is quality stuff

right here. Stalin said that how long is your quantity has a quality of all how long is your friend down for? Wade. Wade. Oh, till tomorrow.

Yeah. Oh, till tomorrow. Okay, that was going to say. They need to come to the comedy show. Oh, yeah. What time were the shows? Let's set seven and nine 30. I texted my wife.

I was like, hmm, if we can get a babysitter. Yeah, nine 30. And we get off from the podcast and stuff. Yeah. Let's do that. Yeah, it's not. Well, let's go back to, let's go back to, you start in comedy.

you had started comedy like how long so you decided to do it you did it i mean let's go through comedy let's get through comedy and to what you're doing what to the the pot with the um production which is what she really came here for yeah no we can't understand shoot the like i just i love the free form this has been so fascinating like this is this is really like we want to interview you yeah i was i was going to say the other thing real quick before i forget in case we don't in place we don't talk again, is that one of the major things about YouTube is, consistency. Yeah. If you said, oh, no, I got an amazing video that I'm going to put out next week and you put

one next week and then another one in three weeks and then you do two in a week and then you wait another four weeks. Yeah, that's consistent. Even if it's dog shit put out, if you say, hey, I'm going to put out three videos a week or even if it's once a week and you say, oh, I don't really have a good interview, but I don't give a shit. If you're putting out consistently doing one hour videos, then put out a one hour video. Yeah, but don't really have anything.

then turn the camera on and just tell us talk for an hour to happen post something because because your because your viewers are waiting for that and the algorithm is based on hey this guy posts what you think YouTube is trying to train you to run a network for them yeah so you have to play the rules the rule is this guy we know this guy consistently post two videos that are roughly an hour long twice a week and that's what they expect they don't have have to be gold yeah it'd be nice if they were but and that's not difficult to do to get good guess but i'm saying consistency is a big thing yeah so that may be a problem with your your concept or hey i want to do this right for the film yeah that would work if you've

you already know this is going to work that's why mr bese invest you know millions hundred thousand dollars in one video because he has a formula down and he knows what works in the beginning we found out what works through quantity by i know a guy who produces for him yeah Yeah. They do like, he's like, yeah, this production is like $2 million. Yeah. Outrageous. Yeah.

Like, two million dollars. That's a movie. That's an independent film. Like, you can. It's just for 20 seconds. And sometimes you don't know what is going to work. We've had interviews like, oh, like interviews that we don't think are going to do good, do really well. Interviews that we walk around like, oh, yeah, this one's seven views.

Yeah. Like, yeah. Like, yeah. Like, this is huge. This is going to be amazing. You post it and it's got like 8,000 views. You're like, what? I thought when we got on her, I'm like,

We're going to have nothing to talk about. Like, we're not good at this crime stuff. No. And we're going to be so uninteresting. No, I think you'll like our movie. And you have to watch the movie dragged across concrete. What is that? It's so good movie.

That's a Mel Gibson and Vince Vaughn. Oh, you would love it. I've been thinking about that the whole time. It's like a three-hour movie, but it's, you don't feel like you're watching. Well, I love Vince Vaugh. It's dirty cops, but you have, you have undue. Is this new? It's like 2017.

You have understanding for why they chose to be dirty cops, you know? And so you're like rooting for them. Yeah. And it's amazing. It's so well done. He did another, the same director. He's a real good director. He did another movie, Cell Block 66 or something like that.

I think it's something like that. But it's got Vince Vaughn in it. So watch that one too. Just getting to know you. I think he would love it. Okay. And your wife. But he's, is this one who is really like a tough guy?

in prison, like Vince Vaughn? No, he doesn't really play Vince Vaughn. No, he's not for Drags Across Connack. I have seen it. Oh, you have seen it. He's got like his hair shaved or whatever. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he keeps getting in.

It's great. That's the director did that, did Drag Cross Conchon. Yeah, that's very gritty. Gritty. Gritty. Gritty. And, you know, like, kind of cheesy VFX, as far as there are practical kills, like where he's dragging his foot, his head across.

Like, you can tell it's obviously fake. Right. You know, so it's gruesome, but not. It's kind of corny gruesomeness. But that one's pretty good. Cross Conquer, it's pretty real. Yeah, I don't mind a good B movie. Your audience would love it, too.

It's so good. I think it's an A movie. Oh, okay. No, I was talking about the cell block. Oh, the cell block. Yeah, yeah. And that's still A movie. It's just the way they did to special effects.

Yeah, is B movie-esque. So you started being a comic. Yeah, so I did comedy. In about like five years in, I started, you know, headlining, working a lot, doing all this stuff. And then I got on cruise ships, like, right away. Okay. I got gigs on carnival.

And then how does that work? So I did a contest where I didn't win it. But the people that were there, yeah, people that were there, saw me. And they were like, hey, come on. We'll put you on the ship anyways. So then I do the ship. And then from there, they're like, okay, we like you. And then they just start booking you throughout the year.

Do you get like a room? Do you go for like three months or for like, no, you fly into the destination, fly out after your shows are done. or port go in the port so you come in and out sometimes you can be on a longer cruise like five five days or three days or whatever that's probably cool the first time you fly in do the thing and fly out you're like yeah it's cool a couple years after six months or right well if you if you work there if you're working there for you know if you're Malaysian and you're just working there for nine cents a day right that sucks no I meant for you oh for us but even for us we don't go

there for nine months you know we're not on there just quick and in and out no I'm you're So you're, okay, we're missing something. You're on a cruise. There's a cruise line. Yeah. I'm assuming you fly in, get on the cruise line, do a couple of shows for, what, a day or two, or just a day? Well, like over the period. Like, if it's a three-day cruise.

Okay, for a three-day cruise and then jump on a plane and fly back. Yeah, or they take you to port back to America. Oh, okay. And you can just fly home. But they pay for all that. No, I know. I'm just saying, like, for example, when I got out of prison, the first time I jumped on a plane, flew some. somewhere, was interviewed and flew back, it was surreal.

Like I was like, I can't believe I was in prison a few months ago. And now I'm walking through the airport free. And these people, I'm flying in and they're going to pay for it. And put me in a hotel. I'm flying back. And for instance, yesterday I woke up. And it didn't matter if I woke up at 4 o'clock in the morning and did it. It was so exciting and exhilarating.

Yesterday I woke up. woke up, got to the airport at about 5.30, got on the airplane at 7, flew to Dallas, Texas, drove to the, what got picked up, was driven to a studio, did a commercial for four, for about four and a half hours for a home title lock, which is a, it's like a, it's a company that protects you against people like me, like title fraud, did a four hours of shooting, got in a drove back to the airport, jumped on a plane and got back. Listen, I've, by the time I got back, the anxiety and stress of my bot, I was just like, I, I'm, this is killing me.

Yeah. Totally different five years. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. The first time for six, first six months, it was amazing. Like, I can't believe this is my life. Yeah. And they're paying me for this and this is great.

And then five years later, you're like, I got, I need more money. I can't keep doing this. Yeah. I'm exhausted. This sucks. Yeah. The airport sucks. The being sitting in the seat sucks.

This guy's huge. He's using both shoulder things. I'm over here in the corner. You know, it's like. Yeah, that's the thing with cruise ships. They pay you to travel. Right. You go to tell some jokes.

Right. And that's exactly what happened. Was it great at first? And then it sucked by the end or just great whole time. No, great. The whole time? The whole time? The first few years.

Oh, okay. And then, you know, I'm making good money. I'm, you know, meeting people and I'm just partying. And then it becomes now, what am I doing with my life? I don't, I don't know. I'm ending up on a cruise ship. I'm young. Right.

I should be out. You know, work in the country and, you know, like trying to, yeah, trying to get in movies and whatever. So I just start drinking. I was like, it's $10 for a full bottle, duty-free. Right. So it did turn, it just started to sky. I was getting depressed, you know, this is what I'm doing. There's kids in the audience.

You got to do clean shows and dirty shows. I wanted to kill kids. I would, I'd be like, do you go to school? I'd be like, don't go to school. Like, I would just be the exact. I don't even know how it lasted 10 years on the boat. and I was just, I was a mad drunk. I was, I started out.

I drank all day. I woke up, started drinking. Where are these people going to fire me? I didn't even know how. I had some cruise director friends. Maybe they came, kept me going. But I'd kind of sober up for the show. I'd take a nap.

I'd get drunk all morning. So, you know, take a nap, sober up till showtime, and then be able to do the show cognitively. Tell your Santa story. That's like the perfect picture of, your life on a cruise ship like this was like late in late stages i was like the original bad santa this before you bad santa was even a thing so they come on the ship it's christmas time and one of the cruise directors is a friend of mine i was like hey can you be santa claus and i'm

like absolutely not why would i do that and i hate kids and he's like because all the other flyons that's what they call us flyons are doing it i said all the other flyons are fat comics that enjoy playing santa claus they have their own santa suits in their shoes and he's like, well, I'll give you a suit and a beard and this. Do you get paid? Do I get paid for this? No, you'll get paid. It was just, he goes, do it for me because he was my boy and he was

I was like, fuck. I was like, I'll do it for you, but I don't want to do it. I only did it because he was my friend or else I said, because I'm like doing extra stuff. They want, we're already doing enough. And then, so I get there and the status who don't even fit me. I'm trying to put pillows in. It just, they're

dropped. It looks like I have a giant hernia. Right. I have white sneakers. I'm like, I don't have black shoes. I don't have Santa's shoes. They put this beard, the nastiest beard. Like, all the other guys brought their own equipment. Right. This was, like, dirty, great.

Like, it was horrible. I looked like homeless Santa. I'm like, what, this is what we're presenting. So you had to go, they put you up in the, and you're out, there's this big auditorium that seats like, you know, 2000. I'm inside where the crew is. Like, there's this little stairway down to cruise. So I'm waiting until the end of the show.

Then Santa's got to come downstairs, go sit. in a chair and all the kids will line up and sit in his lap. For pictures. So, so I'm waiting and the fucking, they're doing a Christmas, but I'm just out there. I'm listening, sitting down, beard off, just fucking, I got some airport bottles of vodka. Just, just like drinking and, and, you know, because I'm like, I don't want to do this shit. And I kill like a couple. And I start, I kill like a couple and I start to get like a, like a buzz going.

And, and I knew that my life was kind of in shambles when I saw, I saw this. like Filipino guy who makes literally, they make like a dollar a day. Right. Was walking downstairs, looks at me and I'm like, hey man. And just shakes his head like, and just walks off.

Like, this is, this is the biggest loser I've ever seen. This guy's fucking naked nothing. And I was like, huh, I really put shit in perspective. So I get a good buzz. And now I'm feeling good. So then they call me down. And I'm like, and now,

I'm dancing Santa. So I'm going down to stairs. I'm drunk now. So I'm, I'm dancing down the stairs. You're not supposed to dance. I'm doing like the Dion Sanders down to stairs. And I just see the cruise director like,

fuck. Oh, Jesus. What was I thinking? And so I get in the seat and I'm like, and then they get all these kids. And I'm like, how many fucking kids are there? Like, I'm saying curse word. It's just a shitload of kids.

And all they, they have these camp carnival girls. they're all like sitting down you know they take care of all the kids and they're cracking up and i'm a mess like the beer's probably not even on right i reek of vodka i guarantee it and parents are putting their kids on my lab and taking pictures like i'm going to show up in photo albums like because this is back when we remember they have cell phones where you take a picture like i'll be in these like where this is us on the cruise who's the belligerent santa you know Like you would see it on the thing.

So we do the, we get all the kids. And I'm like, thank God, that's over. And I look over. And there's 15 adults, special needs, waiting for Santa. I go, you got to be shitting me. I was like, grown-ass men, women, wheelchair. Like, I was like, fuck. And they would sit on my lap.

Just adult. I'm like, huh? I'm like, a little help. And one guy, man, in his 30s, late 30s, just sits on my lap and I go, what do you want for Christmas? I was just, you know, going with the bit. Because I want my dad back. He died and started crying. And my lap, just crying.

I'm like, can somebody? And then I guess the mom comes over. And I was like, and I went to the crew. I'm like, fuck you, dude. I'm never, dude, I was, I was, and I was wasted and these kids. I thought you were going to say like, don't you worry, Christmas Day, he will be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just to get back at the guy.

Yeah, yeah, I should have. You know, I might have even said that. I don't even remember. I was blacked out right after that. This is the picture of Carl and a Cruz. So that was me in a nutshell for like the last four years, just all day, every day. And not knowing how to get out of it. And then I was just like, I got to do something with my life.

So I fucking tried to sober up myself, just quit coal turkey. Right. After easily a couple bottles a day. Right. I started seeing things, talking to people that weren't there. It was like the, I don't know if you ever heard anybody trying to quit alcohol. Yeah. But it's like the, it's like death.

And you're not supposed to do it alone. Right. I didn't know this. And then, yeah, so I was hallucinating talking to people that weren't there and And then one morning I woke up and then mom's like, you got to go to the hospital, calls my sister. And then I get to, I get to the, cause my sister, I get to the emergency room. And they were going to let me go. This is like, and then I start talking to somebody that's not there.

And they're like, you're going to let him go now? Right. You know, that's like, I think he needs to be admitted. So they put me on like lithium and all these psych meds. Right. They detox me and, you know, did. all this stuff and I was there for like four or five days and I remember the second day when I woke up from the night they admitted me I just see all these doctors walking in like and then

walking away and walking away and then one of the doctors comes in like a lady doctor's like like what no jokes this morning like what did I do last night like in my car I had no idea and they were all like looking like did I get nay like what was I doing like that was so Out of the, out of hand and everybody's, like, walking by. Jordan Belford after he gets taken off the plane, you know, they're, like, you, you attacked one of the stewardesses. Yeah, exactly. They had to duct tape you to the sea. And he's like, what?

What, what I do? Yeah. You were a maniac. What? Yeah, that's what it felt like. It was, it was pretty surreal. And then I sobered up from there. And then I haven't.

And then since then, I've been sober since 2013. You don't go to AA? No. Oh, okay. I just was like, I can do it. You know, my mind. you know, I just figured I wanted to do it. So obviously, like, seven days was like the worst pain in my life.

I'm like, I'm still going to push through it. Right. And then, but I just, I didn't know you really need help to actually detox. Oh, yeah, you get the, what do they call that? The DTs or something like that? Yeah, you get that like day one. Right. Like, I was doing that.

I was getting DTs every day. So, like, I would have to medicate and drink, just to stop. I was leaving Las Vegas, bro. Right. I was like, it's such a good movie. It is, but it's horrible. It's to a tee. And when he's like, when he's waiting in the bank,

yeah. He's like, okay. And he's trying to sign a chair. I'll be right back and takes the drink. And he's like, oh, sign the check now. You know, like that was me. Like, I'm ready to sign. So, yeah, it was a rough go.

So then I was like, when I got off, I'm like, I'd rather be broke. Right. And not, then to go back to this life. You know, I'd rather just start working the clubs again, and trying to figure out opening for people. I don't care. I don't even care.

I have no ego. So that's what I did. I started opening for people and whatever, selling shirts at the end of the shows and just trying to make anything I could. Just so I wouldn't have to go back to cruises could maybe lead to drinking again, you know? Then I'm like, I want to be an actor. I want to learn how to act. In South Florida, it's like you can learn.

You could take workshops and learn how to act. But I think being a stand-up always kind of taught me how to act because I act on stage. I was like, oh, I'll do that. And so I started doing that and gotten some lot of shitty things, some micro budget films. Right. And then started writing my own stuff, wrote it like a web series and doing all this stuff. And I started writing scripts. I'm like, how do you write a script?

I didn't know how to write a script. And then just kind of figured it out. And then wrote a couple of scripts and wrote a feature film. And then in like 2019, I met her. And then I was like, hey, do you want to? That's exactly how I introduced my life. Yeah. This one.

I met her. The old ball and this one. I forgot we're on a podcast. She's probably needs an intro right. I met Tammy. We've talked for like, I'm like, you know her. I met her. We'll edit that out so it looks like I'm a gentleman.

Fish. Who brought this fish? We can edit that into the gay portion. So then when we got together, I was like, hey, do you want to go broke with me? He got down on me. Got it down what I need. Start on you. Yeah.

She's like, I do. And then we're like, we had this one house kind of horror thriller thing. And we're like, because I've done a lot of shitty things that was like, I had no control of. I was just an actor on the thing. The directors would come in and they would be horrible and they would show up late to their own set. And I'm like, what the material wasn't good. I'm like, well, I can do my own and I can control the variables because if it dies and it's bad, it's because of me. You know, so I'm like, let me.

do my own and you know so i had this script and i she read it she and she enjoyed it because because of how psychological it was it's called i possessed and it's not it's a there's a possession in it but it's not really a possession movie it's more of a different spin on a possession movie oh yeah all i saw was the uh the i saw the trailer yeah it's about these five people that go to this house and it's haunted in the way this house haunts them is by their own past secrets and dark regrets start creeping out throughout the night so it's like the person who's possessed is like um kind of more exploiting the other characters and more of a revoking everyone to look at their own regrets yeah so their their own demons so it's more their their stories that are wrapped up

inside the supernatural world that is fun because that's a good way to present these real life situations so i was like we can do this we shoot ourselves pay for it ourselves we can we can afford this because it's one house five people cut to scene cut to see there's not even a chance you can pay for this yourself so we get the location we're ready to shoot in 2020 and then the pandemic hits, which thank God it did. Because we got the location and they were willing to push it a year, but we weren't ready to shoot. Well, right out of the gate, someone steals seven grand from us and we're like, oh.

Another filmmaker just steals right out the gate. We ended up paying them before 2020. We couldn't get the money back and there's a pandemic. So there's a reason we're not shooting. Yeah. You know, so the year goes by. And then we didn't have. money like a pandemic kind of hurt us i wasn't working as an entertainer so i'm like so i told the guy

we ever paid him half his money to to to do the project and then i was like well i don't need you for this job i don't need your gear i we had worked some other stuff out i didn't need a lot of things that i that i paid for so i'm like okay so i'm just going to pay you if you come on i'll pay you a hundred dollars a day for the 24 days we're shooting right and and that would end up to be like three grand or whatever because i already paid him seven grand yeah for nothing he hasn't done nothing yeah he hasn't lifted of him and uh he said i can't live off a hundred dollars a day i'm like you have the seven grand that i gave you no i don't i just spent the seven grand exactly he did another like micro budget film in new mexico during the pandemic right so obviously with our money

right you know so it's like where's our credit for that so so he's he couldn't do it there was no negotiation there was no anything yeah he was okay he was okay with having stole that money from it. Stolen, it's okay, completely okay. Tammy's over here saying, don't you feel guilty? He's like, no. No. No.

Completely like a baby. Which is another struggling filmmaker. It's like, I just look at that dude as a piece of shit in the world, you know, in the filmmaking world. And again, it just left us like scratching our heads like, shoot, you know, who do you trust and who can you trust? And it's like a big project and you're trying to find a team. Like, I was ready to go to jail for me.

Like that was like finally ready to go to jail. I'm like, I will drive to Tampa and murder this kid. Like, he's lucky. If you're listening out there, bro, you're lucky I have Tammy. Because you would, you'd be dead right now. He's in Tampa. Writing scripts and doing a podcast. Exactly.

Yeah, he's in Tampa. We're going to have them on the show. He's got a crime story. Listen, they're just one of 40 people. Probably. He's a big talker. Oh, I'm sure he's scammed. Yeah, he's a huge talker.

And he thinks he's the shit. And he's not. We fell for it. made a movie after we made a movie and I guarantee our movie's 10 times better. It's shitty movie. Okay. That's enough. But that was just, this is again why you hear so many people like they're making a movie and then you never see it because it's so freaking hard to like get a team and get it going.

You know, I got my team eventually and then we shot it. We shot Lake Placid Florida and this big farmhouse and it was beautiful. And a lot of things, bad things, tough things happen. Like we lost the main actor three days. out. We were rehearsing with them for months. He got dieticitis, COVID. He's in the hospital. Three days before we were going to shoot him. So we had to move actors around. Like, it was just like...

He's still living. Yeah, he's... God rest his soul. No, but all those moving the actors around made it a better film because the bachelors that are in place now. Like, all these things kept happening, but it always turned out to be for the better. Right. You know, and now we have this film that's completely done. And we got distribution for it.

And we're doing that local theater. doing a limited theatrical run around the country. It's called a comedy tour as well. We'll do some, we'll do like stand-up comedy on during the week at a club in a different town and then event, event screening of the film. It's like we're doing in Tampa in January 15th. We're doing the Sunray Cinema. Okay.

So we'll be there on that night. We just got on their website finally. I'm not sure what time we do the screening. Yeah, I would love for you to come. Yeah, we'll go. That would be awesome. Come and check out the movie. The Sunray Cinema.

It's in like the old University Mall. Unmarked building. Yeah, it's like the movie theater is nice. I'm a sketchy neighborhood. I know where University Mall is. I grew up in Temple Terrace. Oh, you do. Yeah, it's like a sketch.

Like we're like, is this place even open? There's the adult store, adult, you know, and then the Salvation Army and then a burned out building. And then the theater's behind all of that. What's so sad is that when I was growing up Like University Mall was the shit Yeah Yeah

Now malls are Boziac worked there at the There's a tattoo place there He said you don't understand bro He was every day At least a couple times a day The cops are literally Chasing people through the mall

Like running where you'll see a couple of black kids Running where they run in school And there'll be cops running after him He's like in the mall We were a little like nervous Like trying to figure out where it was But then the actual theater is nice. It's just getting to it is a little like, well, no, there's a, there's a parking garage right there.

So you just walk in right there. So it's not a big deal. But he's like, listen. Did you have to tell the. Everything has been, right? Everything has been a crazy story. Yeah. But that's, we're in the process of getting all the cities now because everybody wanted to wait until after the holidays, all these theaters.

But we also, so in that, so we filmed in 2021, since then, we've been doing test screenings. So we've actually had it in front of maybe 1,200 people. Yeah. You're going to test it in where I gave out flyers. Because Carl would do comedy shows and then invite people to come and be in the audience and give feedback. We've done questionnaires.

We've, you know, just, it's been good because, like, one scene, we actually redid the whole scene because a question kept coming up over and over and over with all these audiences. Right. It's like, we just have to redo the scene. It's not hitting the way we want it to. And, you know, and then we did it. And then people were like, whoa. And we're like, okay, that's the reaction we wanted.

Good. But we took it seriously. We took it seriously. We took our time. We got audience feedback. I mean, grown men cried. We were like, oh, okay, whoa. This is amazing.

Yeah, it's emotional. But it's really like it's, it kind of hones in on the theme of, you know, it's like the difference between guilt and shame. Guilt is I did something bad. And shame is I am bad. And you feel unforgivable. And so it's kind of like the theme is forgive and live in the movie. So these people are each being, you know,

provoked to look at their own worst regrets. And can you forgive yourself or ask for forgiveness and live or not? So yeah, like it's kind of a, yeah, a deep theme here. Yeah, I thought it was just a scary movie. Yeah, I thought we just killed shopping people of it. It is very psychological. And people came out like, woo. Like I'm looking at my life.

life now. It's more in the vein of like six cents. Oh, where you walk out going, oh, that's what that was. Oh, because everything, it's a great movie. Like, you get to the end, like, wait. Okay, hold on. I got to go back and watch it again. It's like one of those movies, like, on the second watch.

We had our friend watch it out of L.A. And he's, you know, he's working with a lot of films. And he's like, he saw it the first time we sent it to him a little while back. And I guess he might have just checked it out on his computer. I don't even know what he watched it but he's like hey can I watch a movie again this was like recently after and probably after all the fixes and stuff

and he's like he's like wow I don't even remember watching it the first time I'm like I can't it's like a different movie did I watch the same movie you know it's yeah it's one of those movies where you're like you kind of miss a lot you get more than things you miss so many

you watch it the second time so differently it's six times but multiplied by like yeah yeah different things because at the end of six sense if you watch it knowing the ending then you watch it again you're like oh right right it's so obvious it's exactly like that all of those

it's so obvious it was all that foreshadowing that's just you're like missing he's not talking he's just he's not there you can tell like yeah you can tell this after you know he's not there the first time yeah right and we have those moments like we I have moments where I'm telling you who's what who's who's the killer

who's this this and that and almost like The early scenes. Like everything's are, you've already been told the whole movie by the time you get to the end. But when you're at the end, you're like, oh, that's what it was about. So it's like, we told you through the whole movie. So I have a question. So because I'm curious about this because I like I said before the podcast, I written a bunch of true crime stories.

Like I have like 20 something of them. But most of them are synopsies. So I've always wondered like what it takes. obviously, you know, to make a movie. Like, I don't have enough knowledge to actually do it. You act like you have to get like a guy that really knows what cameras to use to shoot and the whole day. And then, you know, editing and all these things.

But what I'm wondering is once you've got to finish product, like you're not in movie theaters. Like, you're not on Netflix. You're going to end up on. And I have a buddy who does documentaries. And so you, what do you, what do you end up putting it on like peacock? or do you have it like a other than the releases is there another um yeah another uh what am i look enough yeah avenue or platform yeah yeah yeah yeah we we we got distribution with good deeds um it's their umbrella uh company cranked up films which is they're out of

ohio and we got offers by several different distribution companies um and the offers are pretty much profit share. It's not, nobody's really offering you anything. We have a, no means coming saying we'll give you $2 million. Yeah. They give some offer M.G. We got a couple, but it was like garbage money. It's like, it's not even, it's an insult. It's like, that doesn't even, you know,

that'll cover deliver us. Right. And all of those distribution companies, their format is to acquire like 200 movies a year, throw them all on a platform and see what sticks. And they do, and do it. We got a producer rep that shopped it around. That's the term I was looking for a platform. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. We got a

producer rep who shopped it around to all these they went to like he he went to netflix and and and hulu and all them but you know honestly and and not not any slide to him or anything i just i don't feel like he's like no they'll watch the movie i don't feel like they watched the movie no i don't because even on one comment i think it was maybe like mgm or so it was like a big big place they they go didn't like the film much too predictable and right there it's like okay it's anything but predictable like it's so you just saw i possessed oh possession movie we already know what it is that's all you saw it's all you looked at you didn't even look at the trailer i guarantee you didn't watch they don't watch the trailer what's great is if it's if you put it if you give them the link

to look at it and you put it as um you know unlisted you can see when someone watches the trailer yeah yeah three people watch it how many people are supposed to watch it four you know three people at least watch it for at least and then you can check the analytics the average watch time is eight minutes right so those those three people didn't even watch the whole movie. We'll watch three, eight minutes of it on average or whatever. So it's something to think about. So that's the thing.

Even with a producer's rep, even, you know, with sending the full movie to different distribution, you still don't have a chance because you're trying to get through the gatekeepers. Do you have to even watch the movie? What are they looking for the, for their slots that they're trying to fill and their business model? You know, it's like a whole thing. And we just thought, oh, if we make a good movie. you know and it has great audience feedback you know so it's the american idol reference it's so crazy

so we went with um we went with this good deeds um cranked up film because they were smaller company more boutique and they only take maybe 20 films a year or something like that and and they um and they were open to doing the theatrical with us and they loved that carl was a comedian and had that side too because they wanted they've been doing comedy specials as well and they love the idea of touring around and yeah so they so they're they're helping us with this they have the theatrical department that makes the calls to the theaters and who booked us at university we're in Puerto Rico for two weeks right start on the 23rd January 23rd so that'll play for a couple weeks there um and then we're going to work the rest of the country and more in florida too but so we

went so after we got with them they're going to put it on demand vod on uh in april so it'll be on voodoo, Amazon Prime, and then Apple. It'll go there. And then they'll revisit going to the net, the streaming services. And by then we'll have reviews. We'll have,

you know, a theatrical run. A fight and chance to get in there. Because out the gate with no stars, and the reason why we did make a psychological thriller horror film is because it's, you know, we needed something with no stars

because that's the only thing that can sell with no stars is a horror film. Right, right. You can't really sell a comedy. What is it? The loss in the woods footage, that one? Yeah, yeah, no. Oh, the Blair Witch.

Blair Witch. And that's an anomaly. Everybody wants to redo. Everybody wants that success, right? But that's like such an anomaly. I mean, there's some films like Terrifier now that are kind of building steam and getting that anomaly thing where they're making millions at the box office. Like, we made this because we want to show people what we can do on a micro budget.

Like, not even, it's not micro, it's beyond micro, but it's, it's a fraction of what Hollywood can do. And what was the budget, if you don't mind me asking you, you know, well, I mean, it's, it was under a million. Okay. But, um, and how does that? Because, I mean, I, I saw your act. So how did you get that money? Yeah. Well, that's, we were going to, yeah.

Well, now that you asked, that's a good question. And I know the gambler in the, in the audience didn't help. Like, we, we went in, we went in, you know, thinking we were going to mix for 100K. Right. And then, you know, we can do this. It's in and out, 100K, with through post-production. And, uh, no. So you have to raise the money.

Yeah. And then we found another partner. We found people that, you know, to help out. Well, Carl sold his car. I emptied out my retirement. Yeah, we raised a lot of money ourselves. But then we got, you know, obviously got help. And then through, and throughout the process, when we got to post-production, we had no money left.

And then we started getting more help. Doing the test screenings, people would see, like, we'd be going and, And this movie should have cost a lot more than we paid for it because of all the favors I was getting. Like, for instance, we didn't even have special effects going into these test screenings. We didn't have a lot of them. So a guy comes to the show. I invite him to the movie. He comes up to me after the movie and goes, hey, I do special.

Because we were saying, we need still more money to pay for special effects, this and that. He goes, I do special effects. And I'm like, well, that's cool. And he's like, you know, he's being nice. He's being modest. He does for Marvel. Right. So he was like,

and of course we're like Marvell? Yeah. He's worked on Batman, Avengers, you know, all this stuff. So he's like, I'd be happy to do it. And not, no, I'm like, well, what do you try? And I just be, you only need a few, right? And then it turned into bucket list, you know, like we got on a Zoom. Now we're good friends.

Now we're really good friends. We talk all the time. And he did all this stuff for us for nothing, you know, that would have cost $60K, you know, that it's just like we were getting those kind of. favors. Even in production, I was getting favors. Like the place we rented should have cost a hundred grand. Should it for a month to take over this whole entire farm? It wasn't close to that. Well, to be honest, I think, I think commitment is so huge. Like, like people buy into this committed person, you know, who's so passionate. This is all he's focused on, you know,

and it feels like a safe bet, you know? And then it's like the two of us make a good team. So I think that's what they buy into is like, these are good people and this guy is like crazy committed and super talented and, you know, so it wasn't just like. The look you have is the same look I get when people say inspiring. You're just like, but yeah, but it's the same thing. You don't feel it, but people see that that driven commitment and they are inspired by it, even though you're just thinking, man, I'm just trying to make a movie. Yeah. I'm just trying to fucking tell a, do a podcast. So we were, we were on set for.

four weeks and which is a long time for an independent film um but we we knew we just needed time to learn and like figure out stuff and so we wanted to give give us um our team that set that set amount of time so anyway the first week it was like again mutiny on set everything was going wrong people are complaining like it was just oh my goodness you know it's so hard anyway and we're trying to find another actor to replace and this that the other you know so much pressure on us because we're producing and everything too. It's like we're running out of money two weeks in. And thank God, again, thank God that we, again, for this commitment because I think by the

second week, the whole cast and crew, they were like, you know what, we see how committed you are and how hard you're working and it made everyone want to step up and, you know, go the extra mile. And I think if we hadn't have had that, we wouldn't have what we have. And also people, everyone did more than expected after that first week. And also we were a weekend shooting. Then everybody felt like, oh, this is, this is good. Like what we're creating is actually good.

So you can be on a stand, like this is garbage. This is garbage. This is. But again, it's your vision, your commitment to it. And we knew. We knew right away. And then there's just, there's a moment in the film where it requires a lot, some stunt work and all this stuff.

We were like, if it looks hokey, this is going to fail. Yeah. And then I end up looking. great and we got i got help from local builders building me props and enough for nothing they're like just paid for materials stood up with that they just wanted to help out and i mean just so much that you know the resources that we made to make this thing and it looks like a hollywood movie like the stories the story's just as good as anything blumhouse is putting out when you're right when you watch it you're like you know the thing is

the thing we're competing with is it's like my stand up it's like when i get up on stage people I have to prove myself to these people for five minutes because they don't know who I am. So it's like now they've got to get to know me and then eventually I can get them. It's like this movie. It's like they got to, they're watching this and I'm the main character,

so they're watching me. If it was Jake Gyllenhaal, then we're already in no matter what he does for that whole. So now they got to watch me going, I don't know if I like, you know, do I like this guy? Because my character's weird in it. Yeah. He's suffering from PTSD.

He's an Army Ranger, Viter and sniper. He's hallucinating with dead lieutenant. He's talking to his dead lieutenant of 10 years, which I put in from my hallucinations. I put in that kind of aspect.

Right. And so this guy's weird. So you're like, he's acting weird. And it's like, is he a bad actor? You know, is he this and that?

And then by the time you get through the movie, you're like, this is why he's been acting like that. Right. You know, so it's kind of like, oh, it's a character choice,

but this, these people got to want to follow this character through this journey and that's the struggle with when somebody's not recognizable yeah so you got to deal with that that's why maybe on a second watch it's like oh it's easier to watch these characters i know them now you know they're not somebody that's and that's and i think that's a struggle with every Hollywood film well i think to the the overwhelming feedback we've received from all the test screenings and and it's you know the theme is i was surprised you know like one how good at the story was and two it wasn't what i thought it was going to be so i have a i have a friend

kevin intrudanato and he makes uh he also is a producer he's an actor and he's a producer and he has made probably i think he's been a part of making three or four um movies but i think he specifically has made like three movies on his own now He came on and we did a podcast with him. And we watched the movie that he had done that he was promoting. And it was funny because we got it. We had to watch it on like VINMO or something. He gave us like the Vimeo.

Vimeo, is that it? Yeah. He had to send us the link and everything. And I remember thinking like, bro, like, why don't you just put this on YouTube? Because you can charge people. Like, you know, I buy stuff Breaking Bad. I bought like the series of Breaking Bad. You just pay for it, 21 bucks, $21.

you know so i buy all my movies i must have 50 movies in in my youtube library that i've just bought yeah so but anyway i had to watch his uh he sent me in the link and i watched it it was funny too because it's exactly that once you'd watch 20 or 30 minutes of it it got really good and then at the very end of the movie there's such a kind of a twist at the end of the movie that it was like like we my wife and i were both just like actually it's not true true there's two twists at the end of the movie and both times we were just like whoa oh wow so he murdered you know so and so like wow like it's funny because then i was like feel like that they it felt like that like you realize it and then there's another thing that happened too that you realize

like oh that's what the phone call was and even when i seen the phone call because i'm you know you know when you write you analyze everything like why would they mention that there's some reason they there's no reason to have that phone call there's no reason to have that phone call there's no reason for this person to have said that that means something because you know you're trying to condense all this in two hours of everything means something yeah so yeah we were I was watching I was like so it's a very end when you have this one twist you're just like oh oh that's right she was you have to send me that send me the name of that yeah yeah he's but he's he same thing I've had this conversation with him and it's and you know he's one of these guys who's you know bro you should do

this I'll help you do I'm like I I'm doing too much already yeah like you know I I'm I'm doing too much already like you know i even pitched him one time because i had a for one of my let's let's enough about you yeah yeah yeah so i'm already listen i'm already she says that to me i'm already gonna get in the comment section there's going to be more than most are going to be like bro let this fucking dude talk probably not let them know you be shocked at sometimes i feel like i didn't talk at all and people will say that and i'm like like and i'm sitting here while i'm telling a story i'm thinking what are people going to do to me they're going to push right i've been in I've interrupted you so many times my own story. We've just been going back up with.

Well, one of the stories that I have, and it's a true story, and there's actually articles about it and everything. It's actually a really good story that I wrote a synopsis about, and I was telling Kevin like, bro, this is something that could be done that I think you could do. He didn't bite on it. He did. I mean, we talked about it several times, but he never bit on it because he's working on all that. He's like, I'm already doing this. I'm doing this. but and it was basically it's a um it's this guy that i wrote a story about um and uh he the quick version is a black kid never got in trouble raised in the project but had a good never been never been arrested all his friends have been arrested they're all felons uh he actually

tried to be a an mt he had gone to school for it couldn't pass the state test to do it and it's like i don't know why i got all good grades in my class anyway ends up work one of his buddies like you know what you should do you should get your concealed weapons permit and go work work for like one of these uh companies that delivers money and he's like they make okay money and not great but they make okay 15 20 bucks an hour and he's like he's like okay he's like and then once you're in there you've been doing it for a while he said we work it out so that we can we set you you know how it works inside he is we set up a robbery and he's like he's like yeah I'm not going to do that he's like kind of laughs it off he's like but that's not a bad idea you're right

because I've never been in trouble so he does get his license he does go to work for whether that was true or not, I don't know that he never intended to do this, but whatever. So it's called cash logistics. It's like the third largest moving or logistics company for moving money. He ends up working there.

Eventually, six months later, a year later, he ends up being a assistant manager. And he actually does, they set up a robbery with these two guys that can't pull it off. Then he ends up for circumstances, he ends up being in the warehouse by himself multiple times every weekend or every Thursday or whatever is it just happens to be is at a point where there's supposed to be at least two or three people there but it ends up where it's just him as the trucks are arriving he's checking in the money is just him so he sets it up so he's like look I'm gonna be here alone at this time come rob me take the money there's like $11 million in this vault right here there's like 11 here and three here they grab one they rob him two they grab the money out of the wrong vault they're idiots they almost kill him because they want it to look real but he's the two

is they almost they beat the hell out of me and then they get away anyway FBI shows up they they know he's in on it but they can't prove it they're doing the whole thing he eventually quits his job because he's like they're all over him he they screw him out of the million dollars million point two he's supposed to get they give him 300 grand he blows through that then he ends up robbing a truck himself he gets caught immediately wow while this whole thing's going these guys start trying to kill him they want they're put a head out on him they end up killing his best friend, the guy that set the whole thing up. Now they're trying to kill him. The guy comes for him several times. He gets away. He then robs the truck, gets arrested, goes to prison,

goes to prison, meets me. The other guys that robbed in the first time that screwed him out of the money, they get caught. They go to prison. The cops know they ordered the murder on this guy, on his best friend, but they can't prove it. They cooperate. He doesn't cooperate against them, by the way. So he gets 10 years for the one robbery. No, he gets 15 years for the first robbery because he fires his weapon. He robs the armored truck gets three or 400,000 dollars, but he didn't get away. He gets caught like, whatever, five miles away. But he does fire his weapon several times. That's it. He gets 15 years. You're done. You're not getting left. That's a mandatory minimum. And the FBI comes to him. He's like, unless you cooperate. You cooperate. We know these guys

robbed you here. Cooperate. You could do five years. He says, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to cooperate. So he takes the 15 years. So later, they arrest these two guys for the main robbery, the $3 million. They cooperate because they've been to federal prison, so they know how it works. They snitch on him. He ends up getting another charge. He gets 10 more years.

He ends up going to prison for 25 years. These guys have already gone to prison on the robbery and gotten out. They both did four or five years. They're already out. He's served in 25 years. But it's a great movie. Just the story, I was like, this is fucking great. It's a very unsatisfying movie to walk out of it.

It does. It sucks. No, you're right. You'd probably have to do a Hollywood ending. Unless this guy was hateable. Did you see? You know, he's super nice.

He's a nice kid. Anyway, so if you could fix it somehow, you could, it's based on, you could always fix it. But here's the thing. What I was always saying was this. If you look through the whole thing, it's really only about six characters. He's really the only main character. And then there's a couple of FBI agents, right? So maybe seven characters, eight characters, at most.

And I was thinking to myself, I was telling Kevin, I was like, do you understand how you could shoot it? I said, here's what you do. You go get several, several up-and-coming rappers that have 200,000, half a million subscribers or a million subscribers on Instagram. And you go and you find those guys. If you look at it, there's almost no acting. there's almost no very little dialogue other than the main guy one or two guys

there's no real special effects very little special effects you know other than maybe a gun going off boom boom I mean anybody can do that you know I'm saying there's not that much it's not like people are thrown through the air car chases there is a couple of car chases but they're not they don't have to be insane

dog bitch just boom boom cars chasing after because there's no crashes or anything anyway very little if you read the whole thing you'd be like Wow, this is a fucking, it's a, it's a drama. Yeah. That's it. So anyway, the point I was saying, you go get a bunch of up-and-coming rappers.

You get to use, you tell them, look, you're going to rent, you're going to work for almost nothing. But we'll use your music as the background for the score. And then, of course, they end up having millions of followers that hopefully they can promote. And you never know if one of these guys is going to become big. Maybe one of these guys is the next two-pock. They all want to be actors. All rappers want to be actors in the end. They all want to end up being, I want to jump from this to this.

Yeah. So because, let's face it, you know, rapping is actually difficult, just a lot of time doing, you know, promotions and a lot, where they'd rather be an actor and go and I can be catered to for three months and work a few months. Yeah, the acting part could work. I don't know about the music because oftentimes artists don't even have the rights to their music. Yeah, but a lot of these, when I'm saying a lot of these guys probably don't, they probably don't even have labels.

Like if you've got half a million on followers, you're probably making your own music. But anyway, that's the case. So obviously, yeah, maybe you pick one of them that it's available. And the other guys, well, you could use mine. Well, talk to your fucking label. I tried. We talked to them.

They said, no. Point is, is that they would probably help promote the living shit out of that video. That would be amazing. Some of them are probably semi-recognizable. And as you're doing the story, they'll become more recognizable. And then they'll help promote it. Yeah. So I'm saying that to me, I was thought, was a decent idea for a, and probably fairly

low budget, not, you know, low budget is different, obviously. A million dollars. You guys are like it's low budget. A million dollars is like a lot of money. It sounds like a lot. It does. It's interesting because that's still 1.5 is considered low budget, right, which is high, like, because micro budgets is like between, you know, 50 and 100,000. So, and then, and then ULBs would be up to like 250,000, ultra low budget. Right. And then low budget is, yeah. And, but, you know, I guess if you, if, if, We didn't involve, we didn't do it SAG, which if you do union, then you got to pay more for things and you're regulated. And back then you had to do like COVID restrictions and that cost $30,000 at the gate. Well, then also if it's SAG doesn't, each actor has to get so much money.

It has to get a certain amount. Yeah. Yeah. So exactly. And so like non-units is the best way to go. But I mean, I understand if you need to get a good actor or somebody is recognizable. It's all cash 22. And it doesn't mean that because you have a recognizable face.

is going to do well or in like you said a drama is like on if you have a drama with no stars you're dead in the water yeah if you have a comedy that's why I was thinking I was hoping this could maybe this scenario gets around that somehow yeah there's probably I don't know anything yeah there's loopholes and it and a lot sounds so it's just it's just catching lightning in a bottle you know you just got a kind of because a drama can make it you know it doesn't it's a story like look at Tarantino, you know, made reservoir dogs, you know, that was kind of a drama.

I mean, there was a little bit of action in it, but those times are hard now because how do you get separated? How do you, because there's so many, there's so much material coming out every year. Right. That's the thing. How do you separate yourself?

Like, I know we made a unique film, a good film, but, you know, that's why we're going to play off my stand-up and kind of a comedian made a horror film. I just shot my special. Right. two weeks ago in Beiro Beach. It's going to be nice.

Seven cameras shoot, crane, it's going to look beautiful. And then we'll shop that around. And hopefully they can cross-promote each other. Yeah, I think that's probably the better cross-border. I mean,

hopefully that does work. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying. But the second one that you said you had just written about, it's kind of like a comedy. Yeah. You said, kind of like comedy?

Yeah. It is a comedy. Oh, yeah. Straight up. It is a comedy. You know, that sounds like comedy. more able to be cross-promoted with your stand-up. With my style, yeah, with your stand-up.

Yeah, yeah. Well, my next film is similar to, it's a comedy horror film, but it's like a Hallmark Christmas movie, but then it introduces. Just the explanation alone. It introduces a bad Santa character. Right, right. So this is my character from the cruise ship into this world.

He gets stuck, and so now he's in this world. This Hallmark girl. watch a hallmark. You're like, this is corny about corny storylines. Love triangles. What is it? The Snowman? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That wasn't even a hallmarked. That was just a regular Netflix. I feel like Netflix are starting to do kind of Hallmark-y type of movies. Yeah.

I've talked about half that with my wife's just the whole time. She goes, what are you doing? She's like, though, it's good. No, it's bad. They're bad. And this is very hallmarky. This is, please sign the petition to save the Christmas tree. It's very hallmarky. You already hate these characters. I mean, you like them, but you hate them. You want him dead. So my character gets into this scenario, and he just, he wants to get out of this holiday hellscape, you know, because he's, he, it just, and he's, he curses, you know, there's no cursing.

Right. Because it takes you, do into, it starts out in this hallmark situation, and then 10, 10 pages in, you meet these guys that own a bar, like I own a bar. And it's just him, this, this Salvation Army Santa is sitting at the bar just drunk. And the two bartenders are, you know, their place is dilapagated at the bar. And it's like, you know, you'd be better off if you've dressed this place up.

He's like, fuck Christmas, fuck Santa. Like his mom cheated on his dad with a mall Santa. Like, that's the story. Right. So he kind of set up. She sucked the joy out of Christmas. Like, she literally sucked the joy out of Christmas. And so, you know, you start out with that fucking, the dirty, down,

and then introduce this character into this world. So you're thinking, okay, well, that's what it is. He wants to get out. And then halfway through, it turns, it just turns on its side, 180 degree return. It turns, some of the characters in the Hallmark world turn into monsters instead of eating everybody in the town. So, so it, so it, now it's an 80s, 90s monster movie. They take, they hold up in a Christmas knick next door like the mist. Right.

It's misty out. You don't, it's dark, you don't see. And so all that shit, you know, they're trying to get out alive. Right. And then, so, so it's like, have you ever seen from Dust Till Dawn? Yeah. So it's kind of like that. So it's like halfway three, like, what?

The hell it's this? Yeah. And I wrote the script. And it, and I ran it through an AI program, got really good, you know. Very original. Very original. Very, this could be a holiday classic. And so, you know, yeah.

AI said it could be a holiday classic. Yeah, this program, this, this program they have that, they ran it through it. It's, and it gave really good. feedback and on stuff I know he needed to fix in the script. So I was like, oh yeah, they understand. And so I think it would be satisfying for people who roll their eyes at Hallmark movies. Yeah.

Now, do you have a cast picked out? No. Here's an idea. Yeah. So there are, there's a pair of influencers, this guy and this girl on Instagram. And I mean, they only have 70,000 followers, but they have reels that have 29 million, 15 million, 11 million. They do the Hallmark thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They do, you know, Hallmark movies, cheesy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like depending you know it's like you get you know who it is i know who you're talking about yeah the two white guy two white a white girl white white white guy white yeah yeah we were thinking we were thinking get actual hallmark like really well-known hallmark to get play a couple of the main characters i mean obviously we're going to play yeah we're going to play some actors but if we get two of those people that are really recognizable and we make one like a turn into a monster and one like a the main character right and then maybe she dies or like you know whatever

That would be very satisfying and very fun for, I think, another audience, you know, to see. So why did you have the beard? Oh, for the movie, for the film. For the I possess. Yeah, I was like, because this guy just, he, he just got out of the military. He's been out of the military for like three months. And he just wanted a different change, a different look. He didn't want to shave.

So it was a little longer for the film. Just a little bit. and so he had and and me with clean face I look too nice and so my character slowly evolving through the movie so you're kind of getting scared

of this guy right so I wanted to be as scary like I put on like 20 pounds I was I looked pretty I bulk yeah I bulked back there was like 225 I think for the film like I'm like 218 yeah

when you guys were watching I was looking through the IMBD page it looks it looks good yeah I wanted to be this big menacing thing because it kind of you know fits for the character and it would be weird if I was just some skinny unshavened

it wouldn't even look like... One of our neighbors went to the screening and now he's like, yeah, I'm kind of nervous around Carl. I'm like, you need to come to a comedy show. Yeah, if you haven't seen the stand-up, you're like, oh, geez. But if you've seen the stand-up, then it's like, it might even be like hard to get you in that moment. Yeah, it's like the old, you know, the, what is it?

it like Adam Sandler when he plays a serious role sometimes it's hard yeah yeah but you know he does it well or Vince Vaughn when he's played yeah yeah it takes you a little bit but then he gets it you know he's good so it's like that you know what do you want to do i mean i i think we're good as far as we got plenty of footage um i think you want me doing an outro and an intro yeah um but i have a question i guess for people you know that just listened and kind of want to know more about the film or how they could watch it potentially or whatever like where could we send them okay cool yeah that'd be great um well for right now we got to we have on instagram we have i possess movie facebook ticot is i possessed i think it is and i possess movie dot com so everything

just it's one word i possessed like i the one word oh it is the low i was gonna bring that up Yeah. When you were on, when you were on stage, I thought, why didn't he do the lowercase eye? But it is lower case. You just have a little bit of blood. Yeah. And it's more I. It's not like iPhone. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, some people might be confused because I thought it'd be a phone. You know, there's a phone like, oh, I robot, right? Yeah. So it's, we just thought it was a cool way to put in as in I internally. We have that. We'll be out. Like I said, we're doing a tour around the, the, if you go to the website, the tour will be on there, what we're going to do. It's still evolving. Still evolving. But we're definitely going to be on VOD in April. So it'll be out in April.

Probably along with my comedy special. It's called Let's Take It Back. That'll be my comedy special. And then I'll have them both out there. And then who knows where we're going to go from there. But just follow me, Carl Remy, on YouTube. I'm getting that going now tomorrow. You know, I got like 300 subscribers.

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