Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Smartest Bank Heists In History | Best Of Matt Cox

Episode Date: December 23, 2023

The Smartest Bank Heists In History | Best Of Matt Cox

If I do this, I'm going to take enough money for that I won't have to ever come back. I'm gluing on fake beards, wearing sunglasses and these crazy disguises. Pulled out of the bank and took off, and I turned again, and the car turns again as well. I could hear the sirens of the police, and he goes, what's that? Do you hear that? At 12.31 in the morning, I came to, and I was laying in a field on my back. I'm eating lunch in Mexico at the time the news breaks. He decides he's going to rob a bank, but he doesn't want to go into the bank. He's like, you know, you have to tell a lot of these places, you know, going in, like, it's a major problem.

It's one way in, one way out. You can't see around you. Like, it's fucked up. He's like, it's easier if you rob the armored truck. So he decides he's going to start. He's like, but, you know, of course, most bank robbers get the money, but they just don't get away. That's the problem. He's like, you know, getting the money, great.

Like, it's getting away that's a problem. So he ended up, first what he did was he staked out. He told me this later, by the way. I'll tell you something. He actually knew a guy that worked it at, I don't know if it was, I'm going to say Brinks. He worked, I don't know that it was Brinks, but I'm going to say use Brinks. he actually knew a guy that worked in the Brinks warehouse that guy had explained to him

the procedures the whole thing and that these guys are told to just give them the money like they're not going to fight you really and I've talked to several bank robber I wrote a story about a guy about a bank robber and he said same thing they all say he said but the problem is is you've got a lot of these guys you're like I'm going to pull my gun I'm going to shoot at him I'm going to like they're superheroes

they think they're superheroes Ex-military, fucking, yeah, those kind of guys. Right, where there's other guys who are just like, man, I ain't getting shot for 11 bucks an hour. Take it. Right. Yeah.

Especially when they tell you to give them the money. So he's talking to his buddy and his buddy's telling him, look, we deliver it this time and this time, this time of the, so his buddy tells them about one route where the guy, they're always getting this one place, it's got a lot of money, it's in a nice area, they always get like $100,000, like on this day.

It's great. You run up, it's one bag. You know, it's like one or two, like one bag. You run out and the guy walks right in. Like, all you got to do is grab the bag and run. Anthony also doesn't want to use a gun. He's like, I didn't want to use a gun. You can get in a lot more trouble if you use a gun.

Definitely enhancement. Absolutely. Plus, there's a good chance that now you're in a shootout. You know? Like, people are going to shoot at you if you don't have a gun. Yeah. So once again, he really just, it's as far as just being athletic. You know, and he was a full.

football star. Like he can grab something and run and you're not catching him. A guy's six foot one. He's lean. He's in good shape. So he stakes out, one, his buddies told him what the routes are. Two, he stakes out a Bank of America, which was one of the largest companies to get a bailout, by the way. So he stakes out the Bank of America. He goes and he parks in an alleyway. He puts on a mask, one of these little masks, right? He would grab, he said, I had, he had to figure out how could he just kind of hang out. How could I hang out and watch this place without raising suspicion? So what he did was he got one of those little Cadillac, well, we called them in prison Cadillacs, right? The, the, the sweeper thing, you have a little

sweeper and you have a little bucket that you sweep into. Yeah. I understand. Okay. Well, I'm just saying people, like, I don't know, do they really call them Cadillac? No, I've never even heard that. Really? In prison, they used to call it. I need to, give me a Cadillac. Oh, okay. That's a prison thing. it's got to be. So you have one of the little buckets and you sweep the garbage into it. So he got one of those and he got a little face mask so nobody could recognize them. And he said, I put on a long sleeve shirt. So I looked like I was somebody who walked one around sweeping up the place.

He said, so he would park in an alleyway and then he'd walk over to the Bank of America and he'd watch it when the armored truck showed up. And he said, I'd watch it and then I'd make a notation, get in my car. Come back like two days later, wait around 30 minutes. and then the thing would show up and I'd mark the time. He did this for about two weeks. Figured out, he's like, wow, you know what? My buddy said this is a route, and he's right.

He's usually within 10 or 15 minutes of the correct time. So he thought, okay, so I know I can run up there and grab that bag when the armored truck car driver gets out of the back, not the driver, sorry, the guy in the back. When he gets out of the back with the bag, I know I can get that bag from that guy. He decided, he was all I have to do is deep, capacitate him, incapacet him, decapacetatim, that's not even a word,

incapacitate him. You ever seen those net guns? Yeah. She's somebody with a net. Yeah. That'd be cool if I can hit him with a net. That'd be great. Right.

It'd be comical, Rodna. Yeah, that's a cartoon. But then, because you imagine, now the guy's in the net with them holding the bag. Now you've got to try to get the bag. So what he decides is bear mace. Apparently there's a mace called bear mace. Oh, yeah. And he said, so I figured I wrote.

He comes in a giant can. Oh, I didn't know that. So he said he shoots a long stream. 20 feet or so. So he said, I figured I'll take a, get a bear mace can, and I'll run up and I'll shoot the guy with the bear mace, and I'll grab the thing and run. He said, he's going to hit the ground.

He said, the fuck, it's horrible. He said, you even get it on your skin. It burns the hell out of it. I hit him right in the face with it. Oh, yeah, he shot him in the face. They won't be able to see anything. Right. Yeah.

So he, he once again, he's watching the place. He knows when the guy's going to show up with the money. He's assuming it's going to be around $100,000 because his buddy said it's always around $100,000. And so, but here's the problem. Once again, the problem is, it's funny because he and I very much, you know, kind of looked at our crimes as same. Like I started figuring out what are my issues?

How do I solve these problems? Sure. And so you end up solve like, this solves this, this solves this, the next thing you know, you think, oh, great, all you're trying to do is, solve the crime, not realizing when you look at it from another perspective, from other people's, from you and I's perspective, it turns out brilliant. Like to me, my crime, I was just trying to solve some problems. Other people look at it and they go fucking brilliant. Same thing with him,

bro. So there was a movie called the Thomas Crown Affair. So Anthony had seen the movie and he thought that's a perfect way. Like here's the problem. Running up and getting the bag, anybody can do that. It's getting away. That's the problem. Like running up and getting, anybody can go up to the the teller and point a gun at them and say, give me the money, and they're going to get some money. It's getting out of the bank, getting in your car, getting away. That's an issue. Well, first of all, you're in a car. You're in Seattle, which is made up of these little tiny islands, and there's all these little bridges, and they can be closed. And typically on these little islands, like, or there's a canal system. So there's only one or two ways out of every little

subdivision, every little island, every little wherever you want to call those things. there's very few entrances and exits. So it's not hard to stop. If they see you jump into a red BMW, it's not hard to say, okay, great, put a cop here and a cop here. He's in this area. We're going to see a red BMW drive by.

We're going to grab him. So he said, so I can't be in a vehicle. So one question is, I can't be in a vehicle. Second one is, I can't get caught because I don't want them to chase me or see me or anybody to do. be able to figure out who I am. And when the cops show up, they're going to know immediately, the guy ran that way. He jumped into a red BMW.

He's got, so all of these are problems. So he said, how do I get around that? He had seen the Thomas Crown Affair, and what he decided was, I need decoys. And what he decides to do to get around the police being able to track him is he decides, I'm going to put a mask on and I'm going to wear like a white I think I said a blue long sleeve shirt and blue jeans anybody has that in their closet

and I'm going to get one of those sweepers a little sweeping brush sweeper and a little pickup thing and a bag or a bag those costs like 40 bucks and so what he does is he puts an ad on Craigslist from the Clean Up Seattle Foundation, which is made up. And he says, look, we're paying like $15 an hour. And this is 10 years ago, right?

10, 15 years ago. To anyone that shows up at the corner of 56th Street and Bush Boulevard, whatever the name of the street was, right there at the Bank of America, you show up here with a mask, blue jeans, a long-sleeved shirt, a sweeper and he gives them the website on where they can buy this material and they're going to pay like 15 or actually i think it was like 18 bucks an hour 18 or 20 bucks so it was a high he's like it wasn't so high that it was unreasonable but it was much higher than anybody was paying because companies are laying people off left and right he said so i know he's going to get at least four or five

people he ends up getting like 20 people show up so they end up people start people buy this stuff and they show up, he says, show up at 9.30 on Tuesday, whatever day it was, at this corner, if the site manager or whatever, you're bought, the boss, if the cleanup foundation manager isn't there at exactly 930, start cleaning the area, he will show up within 30 minutes. Because he knew that's when the, that's when the armored truck shows up. So Anthony shows up with those people. He's standing there sweeping up everything. Yeah.

Aloha. There's 20 people there. They're all dressed with the face masks. They've all got the bags to throw garbage in. They've got the sweepers. They have the yellow vest. They're all wearing the same stuff. He goes, man, they were always, we were like clones, bro.

There's 20 of them. He said, man, within 10 minutes. the truck shows up, pulls up in the parking lot. He said, I made sure I was in that general area. So as soon as they pull up, and we're spread out.

Now it's go time. The guy gets out. Imagine how fast your heart's going. Oh, my God. As soon as that truck pulls up and you get all those people there and you're like, right now, I can walk away.

Nobody knows. Nobody knows anything. But you're right at the fucking point where that decision, you get a fucking, and as soon as you start going into it, then it's when it's just like, all right let's fucking do it i you know what's funny is um i interviewed that guy uh batman the uh the bank robber

guy and he talks about it about how he had a a bank robbery that was set up by another guy and went and so it was him another guy and the guy that set up the bank robbery he said when they actually got there they all got in the car they're all about to go into the bank the guy that set it up starts bawling just crying crying he looks at and they're like what are you doing bro what's going on he's like i can't do it i can't do it he's like i i'm so freaked out right now i'm so trembling this is a guy who burglarized houses he's done all kinds of stuff he's going in a bank yeah he's just i mean hands you know they've got guns he couldn't do it they said it literally dropped them off across the street and the guy watched those two of them rob the bank

but yeah i can imagine getting there and being just like i just not being able to do it like you can walk away like you're terrified your heart's going nuts so but not anthony anthony does it's next he takes three or four steps forward and then she pulls out the bear mace and boom shoots him the guy right in the face guy hits the ground anthony grabs the he grabs the bag and goes running now the other problem is, remember, is jumping in a car and trying to get out of those areas is difficult because now you're stuck on the road in a car. It's not hard to track a blue car, red car, a white car. It's not that hard. So what he does is there is a canal and Anthony had left a full

inner tube in the canal. So he runs and he jumps on the inner tube and he and the canal the water goes pretty good, right? He told me he had started off he had a wave runner, like a jet ski. He did have a jet ski, and he said he tried to go up the canal, but it was so rocky that it had cracked the jet ski and actually filled it up, you know, they're hollow, like they float, cracked it. He hit a rock with it, cracked it, and it broke. He said, so I realized it was just too shallow for me to use a jet ski because you could always hit a rock or inner tube. Inter tube. So he runs.

and as he's running, he takes his mask off and throws it on the ground. But, you know, he said, I didn't think about it because he said, my adrenaline, I don't even remember doing it. He said, my adrenaline was going so fast. He runs, jumps on the inner tube, and then takes the inner tube, and goes downstream and cuts across. He then takes the inner tube, he leaves it on the bank. He jumps into the trunk of a buddy's car.

A buddy has a car there waiting with the trunk up, jumps in the trunk and drives off. As he's driving off, he opens up the bag and starts looking for dye patches and everything. Can you imagine being in the car and a die patch goes in the trunk? In the trunk? Oh, yeah. You're going to hop out like one of them fucking blue dicks that beat the drums out in Vegas. He looks like a guy from Blue Man group. So, yeah, so what he does is he, so the guy drives right down the street.

He drives him like maybe eight blocks, pulls over, Anthony jumps out, doesn't have it, leaves the money. He also told me that that guy didn't want to do it. Like he, he, at the last minute, tried to change his mind. Like, and he was, I think the guy was supposed to do it with him and didn't do it. And he said, look, at the least, at the very least, you have to drive the car. Like, go get the car. So he, and he said, I'll give you this much money. Like, the guy was just, another guy, he's terrified.

He's crying. He's upset. verified, but he does drive the car. So he drives Anthony down the street, eight blocks, Anthony jumps out of the car, but Anthony's dressed okay. He is wet. He's soaking wet. He said from the waist down, he said, I'm soaking wet, but you couldn't tell. Like, I'm wearing khakis or blue jeans. He walks into a title company, because remember he's a real estate agent, so he walks into a title company, and he says, and the secretary's there, and he walks, and he goes, hey, Jennifer, I was wondering, can I get a copy of my HUD statement, my closing statement when I closed that loan about two months ago?

And she's like, yeah, sure, no problem, Anthony. And just then he said, I could hear the sirens of the police. And he goes, what's that? Do you hear that? And she goes, yeah, I do. He goes, I wonder what happened. Like he tries to make sure that she knows I'm standing here with you. Right, you're my alibi.

When we hear that. And I'm way, one, I'm across the canal. I'm down from the area and I'm eight blocks away I couldn't have gotten here in that amount of time he asks her what time it is he makes a time

he makes a phone call like he's doing everything to document this is where I was and you couldn't even run at a full sprint and make it here he said she never even notices

that I'm dripping wet from the waist down never says a fucking thing he's literally like a puddle of water is forming around Hey I hope you're enjoying the video if you're interested in getting a painting done by me

my contact information is in the description box enjoy the video so she gives him the hud statement he talks he chats everybody out up and then he leaves walks outside meets up with his buddy and they've got like 400,000 dollars he gives his cuss his buddy off a little bit of money and never told on his buddy no he never told on an anthony never told on anybody uh and then he he ends up going to like I think he and his wife end up getting into some kind of an argument or something and he goes to Vegas parties in Vegas for a while he um what else is he he basically I want to say it's months later it's a few months later but basically the FBI show up they interview everybody oh so while he's in the title company and the cops arrive

Keep in mind with the description that the guard gives them. So the guard and the bank employees and everybody is giving the description. It's a guy. He's wearing a blue shirt, you know, long-sleevee shirt. He's got blue jeans on. He's got a mask on. He's holding one of those sweeper things. They're everywhere.

There's 20 of them. They start arresting and handcuffing and zip-tying all these guys standing around. They're all like, what the, you know, boom, they're getting, get on the ground. They zip-tie. them, they get their information, their question. Most of these people don't even know that the robbery occurred. There was no gun, no car, no car squealed out of the parking lot. He ran up, shot the guy with the fucking mace, boom, grab the thing and ran.

They weren't expecting it. Yeah. So if you're 150 feet away or even 50 feet away and your backs turned, you don't notice that any of this happened. So these people are just being suddenly attacked by the police and screaming, get down the ground. They're in handcuffed. So they're questioned. They're let go.

I think they brought a few people downtown, guys that were close to his size. Like if you're an overweight short woman, they're not bringing you downtown. It's clearly a guy that robbed the play with it. But some of the guys get brought downtown. They get questioned. They figured out it was a ruse. Yeah, they realize right away, this is ridiculous. This is the Thomas Crown Affair.

This is exactly what this is. And Anthony goes to Vegas. He parties. He has a good time. Months go by. They question everybody. They question everybody in the area. They've got tips coming in.

And the cops, you know, but the cops are casing the area. They're canvassing the area. They can't find anybody. The FBI can't find anybody. So months go by and the FBI goes, you know what? Let's start over again. Like something's wrong here. Like something, we got to be able to figure this out.

So they start over again. And they just happen to come across. Because keep mind when the FBI comes in, like they'll put, like two officers on it. And then they asked the local cops to help. Like, go through all the tips and this and that. Well, what happens is, after a couple months, the tip stop. So these guys go back and say, the FBI says, let's go through all the tips again,

because they didn't read all of them. So they go back and they read one tip, which was from a guy who worked on a road crew. And the guy on the road crew had called the police and said, listen, I have a, there's a homeless guy that told, came up to me and told me, he knew who robbed the bank. He needed to talk to the police. He didn't quite understand that he wasn't the police or something. He's like, okay, well, what are you telling me? He's like, I'm just telling you, we, I got a, I know who did it. I got evidence. I got this. He's like, man, get out of here and threw him a month. But then he thought about it and said, I'm going to call this in. He called

it in and said, look, this is a homeless guy that's in the area. So the FBI looked at it and said, you know let's let's let's talk to this guy so they talk to the guy they call the road crew guy the road crew guy goes all i can tell you is he was an older white guy with a beard long hair straggly and he had a little dog with him i've seen him around so the the two FBI agents they'll get a bunch of McDonald's hamburgers and they go down to where the in that same area where the homeless people hang out they start passing out hamburgers and they say look we're looking for a guy with long hair white guy older beard and a little dog after a couple of people, they go, oh, that's Leroy.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Leroy stays in a bus out in the woods off of this street. Wow. They go to that street and as they park their car in the woods, they're walking through towards the bus. Leroy comes out of the bus with his little dog and says, I've been waiting for months for you guys to show up.

And they're like, you know, hey. And he goes, yeah, this about the. that bank robbery? And they go, yeah. He goes, yeah, I got the guy's license plate. What happened was when Anthony was casing the place, right? When he was watching the bank and watching the armored truck come in and the whole thing for those weeks, Leroy was in the parking lot, was in the alleyway with his dog. Anthony even saw him. He was. He was. He was, He remembers seeing him, but he's just some old homeless guy. He wasn't paying attention to me, but he was paying attention to him.

And Anthony would take off his mask, take all of his stuff, his yellow vest, roll it up and stick it into the bushes and leave it there. So the old guy had seen him hide his stuff once or twice, went over and unraveled the whole thing and looked at it and thought, this is weird. He's got a yellow thing. He's got this stuff. He's got, like, why is he keeping it here? But he rolled it up and put it back. And he said, you know what? If I see this guy again, I'm going to take his tag number down.

So he said, sure enough, he'd seen him like two or three times. A couple days later, Anthony showed up again. Put the stuff on. The old man was watching. The old man wrote down the tag number, and it was Emily's car. So the cops go, okay, they look up Emily's car. They go, okay, well, that's a woman. But this woman is on the title to a house with a man.

They look up Anthony Curcio. Sure enough, Anthony Curseo is like six foot one, athletic, the right age. So they start following Anthony. Because one of the other things I didn't mention was the only piece of evidence they had. They have no evidence, but they do have the mask. And they do have DNA from the mask. But they ran the DNA against everything they had and they couldn't match it. so the only piece of equipment or only piece of evidence they have is the mask so they watch

anthony they watch anthony for whatever weeks and weeks and at some point i think anthony was dipping or something and had thrown his dip away or was it a can of soda whatever it was they go and they get a copy of his DNA and sure enough it's a perfect match now they now they come in and they arrest him. When they arrest him, they start adding up all of the, like, here's some cell phone, here's this. He's trying to tell him that's not true. This is what happened. Boom, boom, boom. But the truth is, is that they've got, as they unraveled the whole thing and saw who he hung out with and who he talks to before and after, they'd ended up getting a warrant. And I think they ended up talking to one of the guys that worked at the Brinks place that he did know somehow. And they talked

to him. One of those guys had rolled over on him. So now he's got one guy, but this was after they got him like had he not dropped the mask it would have been the perfect crime yep but now he's got a guy that's rolled over there had no evidence yeah they have no evidence so now they've got a guy that rolled over on him and they've got um they end up recoup uh finding some of the money and they've got the DNA where they how they find the money where was that i think the guy gave him the other guy that said hey okay this is what happened and i can tell you where i think he's put some of the money, like he was in a safe somewhere and they found, went and found some of the money. I forget exactly.

I'm a little iffy on that, but he ends up getting, so he ends up getting, um, yeah, he ends up getting, uh, arrested and he pleads guilty. There was, to keep in mind, there was no, there was no gun. So he didn't get a lot of time. I think he got like four or five years. Basic jobs that you found that you would find at armored car company is the very basic is the driver. He knows the route, knows nothing much else.

He runs the radio, and then you have, we called him a messenger. He's the guy that goes into the bank, and he does all the paperwork. He knows the route forwards and backwards, knows all of his customers, knows which keys they need. And he's basically the boss of the truck. And then a third one would be the ATM guys, and they fill up all the ATMs. and there's a myriad of other things behind the scenes. But they're not those, like the ATM guys and the messenger and driver, like they're not going out at the same time, right?

Like they're on two different routes, right? Yeah, they're usually on different routes. The ATM guys usually keep themselves. Okay. And once you get the money, you go back to like a warehouse, like a secured warehouse and unload the money. and they count the money and there's a whole separate crew

that counts all the money. They have a money room and the messenger, he never actually touches raw cash money, never. It's always bagged with an address, never an amount. And, right.

So you get your manifest in the morning, you load your truck, triple check everything sign it off and you go out on your route so but you start so you started as a messenger

no I started off as a driver oh okay I drove the Hickory run for close to a year um Hickory's a little town up north of Charlotte

okay and so when did you I thought you said you had become a messenger or then you went to a met. Yeah, there was a, I'll call it an incident at Wells Fargo. And I ended up becoming a messenger and then later a vault superintendent. What, I mean, what was like layoffs or was that the layoffs or? Yeah, they had a large layoff and a lot of people, we were really shorthand and a lot of people got promoted. I probably got promoted.

I probably should have never been promoted, probably past driver. To be brutally honest, I was really good at being driver. I understood the route. I knew all the safety procedures. And I was really good at it. And I probably should have never went past that. So I have a question because, like I said, the only reason I know this is, like, is money come up missing before?

Does it just come up missing sometimes? Um, I'm sure it does. Um, usually the biggest thing was they would lose coins because they, they, they, they have them boxed up. And one of our horror stories was bad rainstorm, got caught in, he was out taking in a load of coin. The boxes got wet and busted. Coins go everywhere.

And they had to go out there with brooms and, uh, sweep it up sweep it all up that the guy um jamal that i did the the story on he told me that one time a guy came and turned in the bags right like here's you know the messenger came in here's the bag here's the bag he said he scanned them all in and like the the manifest or whatever he's like okay you're missing a bag you're missing like 60 grand and he said and the guy he'd been there like three years and he was like no he goes He goes, yeah. He said, yeah, look, shows him. And he goes, huh. So he goes, let me check the truck. Goes back in, checks the truck. Comes back. He goes, it's not in the truck. He goes,

are you sure he goes, I'm just telling you, says you're supposed to have eight bags? You got seven. And he's like, oh, wow. And he said, okay, he goes, he said, so he makes a note. He said, I'll get still figure it out later. I don't know. He said, made a note, turned it in, explained the whole thing. Guy went home. Guy came back the next day. They talked to him. He's like, no, I mean, yeah, they said, they called the branch. They were like, you picked it up he's like what should be here just acted like i don't know and he ended up not getting like they didn't fire him they were like it's just i don't know what happened they kept him on like he just locked i want to say it was 60 grand but it may have been 30 um i know i know there

was two different events then he said he said like they literally kept him on he was listening he was about two weeks later he shows up on a brand new twelve thousand dollar motorcycle and i was like i was like no he said i swear he is one eye he was I remember looking at him going, nice bike. You know this? Yeah, you like that? And just kept on walking. Like, yeah.

And he's like, like, I just took him for this. They did nothing happen to him. Now, another time there was, he said there was a woman, same basic thing, but she had pulled up. And so when they checked the, when she showed up, same thing, I'm missing money. They were like, that's weird. They went back and checked the, the, um, surveillance. And she had stopped the vehicle. got out, went to her car, and came back.

And they were like, no, something's wrong. So they actually called the police, went to her car and found the money. She was fired. And he goes, but the thing is, he's like, I don't, they recovered the money. He goes, they just fired her. They didn't press charges or anything. Because they don't want the publicity. Right.

They don't want that in the news. They don't want to be in the news at all. One of the things I do remember is we had a messenger. He went all around, he went for like five or six stops on his route. and I think there was like $175,000 cash. There was a little spot on the back bumper. And this bag, a big cloth bag, fit right in that little nook.

Right. And he rode around, I think it was Mooresful. I'm not sure. But somewhere in Western North Carolina, he rode around for like an hour and a half, with $175,000 on the back on the bumper of the truck. Did he stop, did it fall off? Did he stop and notice it?

Oh, he, uh, when he got to his next. stop. He noticed. And, you know, but it, wow. I mean, yeah. Well, so, I mean, I know, you know, I think obviously what they want to do is they want, they want the public to feel like, hey, this is a super secure industry. We dot all our, all our eyes. We cross all our T's. It's super secure. Everybody's paid well. Everybody's trained. They're all professional. But the truth is, that's not what's really happening. Yeah. Basically, on that, the, the, has no clothes right you know um you go to uh i look back on it now and the gun training we got was poor um you're firing an old they used a 38 special back then and the range is maybe

seven eight feet to the target and it's a huge it's bigger than life-sized target and you only need to hit it about eight out of ten times and you get to everybody gets to fire a shot gun And it's a really sad joke. He was saying the guy I had interviewed, he was like, they tell you, like, give up the money. Like if you're in a crowded place, give up the money. Like, don't, we don't want pedestrian shot. We don't get into a gun fight. If they show, somebody shows up, pulls a gun, you're in a crowded place.

Do, you know, give up the money immediately. Do what they say. You got a better chance of survival, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, but basically they tell you, run away. Yeah. And if the driver is watching you, because they're supposed to watch you in the mirror, not all of them do he sees you run away he's supposed to drive away as well oh that way you lose that one stop right and that's it um okay so um so i mean what happened you're you're

working there and you're you're working overtime you're not making great pay you're you're you're you know is your wife work yeah my wife at the time work okay did you have kids no no kids okay um what happened was over time you know the stress of the job and the stress of my life we just bought a house two new cars and we're getting by but just as long as i keep working long hours will be fine and that that's started to wear on me and you know i probably had other issues from before and it starts to build up and I'm getting I got desperate and then when they came and suggested this to me it looked like a way out right who who suggested it um Kelly Campbell and her friend uh Chris uh no one Chris who was uh I'm probably going to get

hate me on now for not remembering the guy's name um chambers oh chambers chambers yeah John Chambers or was his first name? Oh, hell. Chambers. Something Chambers. Some Chambers. Yeah, I just actually just watched, you know, earlier. I actually, I can picture him.

You know, it was like a, like a, thought he was like a mob guy or something, but he was actually just a small time kind of petty crook. He'd been in prison before too, right? He'd get in trouble? I don't know. Yeah, he, well, I know that what they said was he had actually, um, he'd actually had probably had probably had probably. problems with the law before. And I believe they said he had had a federal case before. I don't know if he did prison time, but he definitely had had like a federal case. I don't know. I've never really cared enough to dig. You know what's funny is that just talking to you,

like I would meet guys in prison and they would, some guys would come to me and say, hey, this guy's got an amazing story. You have to hear a story. And then we'd go and we'd sit down and talk and I'd take notes and just to see if it was worth writing a story. And they didn't know a ton of stuff about their case. Like they never looked into it. Like they got sentenced. They knew they got five years. I got to do five years. And then they just kicked back and they walked the track. They joined a softball game. Maybe they learned to play an instrument. They read books. They're like, I just kind of whittle away this time. And they never looked into it. Some guys didn't look into it because they were just like, I can't believe I'm here. I don't want to think about it.

And other guys, I just don't think that they realize they could look into it. And so I would interview these guys And they didn't if I decided to write their story I would order the Freedom of Information Act on them I'd get their case file I get all the notes and the interviews And I would be able to come to them and say Here's what happened

Remember you said this and you didn't know why that was Here's what happened And then I tell them what the FBI file said This person got arrested He cooperated he told this guy They contacted the FBI And that's why they were waiting for you But you know so you not knowing isn't

I'm not laughing at you, I'm just, it's like, I'm amazed because I'm so super inquisitive about everything. I would have just, like, I would have been, that whole five years or however much time, you know, you did, I would have been looking into it the whole time. Yeah. I think my attitude was it doesn't really concern me. I really don't care. You just wanted to get to your time.

I just want to do my time. Right. And I spent most of my time playing softball, reading books. I studied a lot of psychology books And read I must have read 1520 self-help books Because I came to a realization that There was something slightly wrong with me

And we needed to address that Yeah, this was an option This was this you know Because for most people It's, which always kills me It's like as desperate as they get And I get the desperation Because I've been

I mean I'm kind of like in this I mention this to my wife all the time. I'm like, listen, like, we're a bad car accident or a medical issue where, you know, we're, if anything goes wrong, we go down like the Titanic. You know, maybe we can go for a month or two, but that's it. And that worries me. And so I get exactly what you're saying, but what most people don't think is, hey, I can do this. most people don't think I can commit a crime and correct this issue

and you know I think obviously that's what separates people you know obviously you know criminals from or people that have criminal intent I think anybody will commit a crime in the right search situation but to me my one of my first my first thought is fraud here's how I'll fix it fraud you know and I have to now I realize it's probably what you'd probably do is work a little harder, you know, cut back a little bit more. But you, but Kelly came to you.

Yeah. And she proposed the thought, you know, how do you feel about Robin Fargo? And she knew I wasn't real keen on the company. Right. Because we had a superintendent or manager threatened my job and thought, I'm thinking about going away anyway. Um, and I said, you know, it would, it really wouldn't be that hard. It's just a matter of what day and understand that the weekend schedule, it would be the easiest and you'd have the most time to get away.

Right. I said, it'd have to be on the weekend, probably a Saturday would be easiest. That's when there'll be, you know, back then the Charlotte vault had a very strict schedule. It's like every other Saturday, there's a fairly large amount of money in the vault, cash, as opposed to certain weekends, it'd be 98% checks. Back when we used paper checks, back in the dinosaur days. I still write checks. I still write them.

Nobody else does. I haven't laughed at me. I haven't written a paper check in, that would have been back in, like, 2015. You're hipper than I know. I just got out. I'm a big guy on convenience and utility. So, okay, so here's the, my next question is, but you didn't think to yourself, yeah, we could set up a robbery or a bag could go missing. We could get a couple hundred thousand.

You thought, I can empty out the entire vault of $17 million and walk away clean. Yeah. That's a huge leap. Well, here's my thought. If you're going to break the law, go all in? All in or don't go. Right. You know, because what was that movie?

I think it was he, where the bad guy told the cops, see, you think I got born to lose tattooed on my chest. I'm robin 7-Elevens. No, no, no. Right. And I'd seen that movie prior to doing this, I'm all. You know, he's got a point. That is one of my favorite movies. It is, um, from, from my point of view as prior military and, you know, seeing the gun fight, the gun battle, the run, that's probably one of the coolest running gun battles you'll ever see in a movie.

And most realistic and very realistic. Extremely realistic. Yeah, because they're, they're actually reloading. They're moving from point to point. And it, it goes back to military. If you're not shooting, you need to be moving. If you're not moving, you need to be reloading. Um, yeah, De Niro and, and, uh, uh, Pacino.

That's a great mass. I, I don't want to watch that movie again. Um, um, so, okay. So, I mean, so you got, so how long does it take before you decide, you know what? This is, I mean, clearly your wife's not going to be okay with it. Oh, no. I knew, I knew that, that she would, she would lose her shit if I'd have mentioned it. And I'm thought, oh.

And I come to realize. that I'm going to have to walk away from everything and I'm weighing it in my head. This goes on for four or five days. I'll go, all right, I'm going to go for it. I've never done anything outrageous in my life. This is it. I'm going to change my life. I'm going to probably end up down in Costa Rica, sitting on a beach, fishing, and

that's where I want to go. That's what I'm going to do. Were you thinking about changing your identity or how are you going to get out of the country? Is any of that a concern? And, well, I thought about it backwards. I thought, where do I want to go? How am I going to get there? And I looked into the Cayman Island banks.

I looked into Costa Rica. And I looked at the FBI and some crime statistics. and I figured, okay, most criminals stay in like a 500, three or 500 mile circle of their home. The cops catch a lot of people at their mama's house. Right. Okay. Because when they, people know they've done something wrong,

they won't feel safe and they don't want to leave that little bubble. I'm like, okay, if I get outside that bubble, my chances increase. So I've got to get out of the country as quickly as possible. and well i mean for one thing just just leaving your home is gutsy yeah i mean people don't realize that they don't you know you have to walk away from everything that every comfort everything that makes you feel comfortable you have to leave and most people don't leave the 95% of the country never leaves the united states you know half those ever leave even the state that they live in

you know so so it's you're picking up leaving not calling not coming back not not Just walk away from everything like that alone, even if you weren't already wanted. Yeah. And, you know, that's already gutsy. So my other question is, did you think that there was going to be heat on you? Did you think that the media would get, were you thinking this will be in the news? Or did you think, oh, there'll be an article and that'll be it? I knew it would be a big story, especially for that area.

because even before I really came up with a solid plan, what I thought was a solid plan, I knew about how much money it would be. I knew it would be more than 10 and less than 20, 20 million. And I knew that would be a huge story. There had been a, a Loomys Fargo had been robbed like a year or two earlier of like 18 million. Did you know about that?

Yeah, it was big news. Matter of fact, it was the, I can't remember if he robbed the Tallahassee branch or the Jacksonville branch. Jacksonville, I think. Yeah, it was the Jacksonville branch, which is where I live now. So, and I've met that guy. Really? He, well, at the time, he was, he was a little messed up. You met him after?

Oh, no, I met him, like, in passing in prison. Oh, okay. And I was like, okay. But he was a completely different type thing. He kidnapped the dude. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, it was a mess. But I think he beat me by a few million.

Right. Yeah, this was like 18. I want to say, because I remember thinking that it was roughly about a million more. And I was thinking yours was 17. It was 17.5. But I was thinking 17. I think they said 18. So I remember thinking it was about a million.

It was roughly a million. um so uh okay so so uh what about kelly like why like everything i saw they said you and kelly were close that you you you you guys hung out together was um when i first started at fargo i was um friends with her driver all the drivers kind of hang out together and so i ended up talking to kelly and i ended up driving for her for quite a while And we just hit it off. Okay. So when she came to you just trusted her, you were friends.

But she wasn't there anymore, though, right? Yeah, she had quit, got fired. I'm not really sure. Once again, it's one of those things where it didn't concern me. I didn't look into it. So you decided you were going to do it. You talked to her. Talk to her.

And what was the plan? The basic plan was for them to get me a fake ID, which we did. which back then was way easier and what would what would what I would do was we'd pick a Saturday and I would basically empty the ball at first they only wanted me to take I think he said 250,000 and then he came back I'll get one or two million I'm like no we're not doing that if I do this I'm going to take enough money so that I won't have to ever come back because I won't be able to. Okay.

And as it worked out, the original plan was I wanted to get at least 15, which worked out pretty good. And it was like, here's your five. Here's your five. Just make sure you deliver my five. Anything that's left after that, you can have. You can keep it. I only want my five. And they were, oh, yeah.

That would be great. And I didn't know that they were already planning to vote me off the island. Right. This is like almost 30 years, 30 years ago? Close to it, yeah. It was the $5 million. $7.30 years ago. Yeah.

That's a ton of money. Imagine if we'd have got that money to the Cayman Islands back then. Because back then, the Cayman Islands were wide open and paying really good interest. You could have gotten it. I mean, they would have issued you a citizenship and a passport. probably with just yeah like i mean they've got sank kits right now i think if you you buy a you just buy a piece of property for like three hundred fifty thousand dollars they'll give you a passport um they'll make you a citizen an economy they have economic economic citizen yeah

um so so what happened so that day you you just decide hey i'm gonna grab you're gonna be you guys are going to be waiting i'll let you know when i i mean you grab the money and what happened. So I picked October the 4th. I knew about what was going to be in the vault and went into work just normal. Right. I think we met one or two more times. And we made a run to get my big quote unquote fake ID, which was just a state ID. Yeah, I was going to say the FBI when they interviewed like your friends your wife um friends from the military like every single one of them your wife too she was like no like nothing nothing has changed like he is he is you know on a schedule he's always the same behaved like you didn't very like even made like a doctor's appointment

or a dentist appointment or something you'd even made like an appointment for like the week or two prior to that like like you were going to be there like everything like there's nothing that says this guy should not have come home that day and everything you know went to the grocery store did this did that you know whatever walk the dog took the garbage like didn't argue there was no fight there was nothing like everything and all of the everything was the same and all of your your buddies were like this is absolutely 100% uncharacteristic of this guy this is a guy that follows the rules. This is a hard worker. This guy's conscientious. This is, you know, this is, you know, they said if there was anything, I remember one of the guys had said that if there was

anything abnormal about you at all, they said he's kind of a loner. That was it. Like, that's like the worst, that's like the worst thing they could say about you. But, you know, he's kind of a loner. Like so, which I guess is to say, he is the kind of guy that he's not afraid to be alone or walk away. A lot of guys have to be social. Yeah. That was it. I've never been a social Butterfly. Yeah, that's... So this was just totally out of character. And now that I'm much older,

I had to be a cold-hearted SOB. I had to be. That was the only way you had to put on that mask and wear it all the way to the door. Because if I'd acted any different, the whole world would have known. Right. You know, because I did have a schedule.

I got, I went to bed at the same time. I got up. I carried two. sandwiches, an apple or some fruit. I mean, it was almost like I had some weird OCD, you know, because I carried the same thing for lunch almost all the time. And I'm still that way. I love to have a schedule.

Like being late today aggravated me, you have no idea. And it was everything that was completely out of my control. Right. Because I like to be on time. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's from the way I was raised, but there's something about, if I say, I'm going to be here at noon, I'm going to be there at 11.45 usually. Yeah, it's funny. My dad, and I actually say the same thing is that, you know, being on time is being 15 minutes early. yeah um but you were only like 10 minutes late um so so you went into work and you the trucks come in you count the money you check it in what were you doing that day just check it in i was uh in charge of

the vault and in the morning i made sure everybody got all their all their load out in the morning make sure they had all their paperwork sent them out and then the rest of the day you're pretty much sitting there listening to the radio listening to the company radio for the trucks if they have a problem they call in you're basically

just sitting there scratching your butt until they start coming back and they call Kelly and them they must have called me out amy times are you sure you're going to go through this? Like yeah, don't worry about me you know when I tell you

I'm coming out the door I'm coming out the door and finally the truck started coming back and we had a guy that he was a messenger and they had said hey we want you to stay with Dave kind of learn it and he'll be in charge and he'll show you what to do and worked with him great guy though I hate I hate I kind of hate I did that to him but finally got to the last bit I said hey man if you want to take him Take off. It's going to take me a while. If you want to take on off, I got you covered. So he leaves. And I mock lock up everything. I don't set the timer on the vault. Nothing. I don't spin the big wheel on it. I mock lock up. Go out. I see his tail lights going around the corner. I turn back around. Go right. back in the building.

Disarmed the security system. Move my van. And this is kind of where the plan goes to shit. Because I had planned on, there was two doors. They were offset. One at the front, one at the back. And I was planning on going out the back entrance. And for some reason, oh, I'll get to that.

But for some reason it wasn't working that night. It didn't work that night. So I had to go. But anyway, I pushed the first bin out there, and it was mostly small bills. And by the time I was done, I had a pile of money that was about three and a half, four foot tall, nine feet long, and weighed over a ton. The F-250 van that I was loading, the armored van, when I started, the back bumper was pretty high up on me. when I was done it was pretty low right so you so then this is after every truck's already come in dropped off the money and gone yeah all the trucks are done nobody's coming back nobody's supposed

to be coming back in anything you're and you're just there alone i'm there alone so you load up the so you loaded up the truck you get in the truck and you just yeah um and i'd scouted out and found the security VHS tapes and I secured two or three of them and I missed one somehow they had another recorder up in the ceiling yeah right and I didn't get that one yeah that's I was gonna say they they show the footage of that one yeah where they're like I guess when the when eventually you leave and they call in saying something's wrong yeah you know when they show back up the next day or later that you know i think it was the next day they show up the next day and they start call people start calling in you know your wife's calling in people are calling in they say you know

he didn't show up um there and and everything's open yeah so they're like it's completely wide open when the fbi or the detectives come and the fbi they find that tape and i guess they had to wait for a manager somebody to come and open uh the back to find the tape but when they find it yeah the manager or I don't know what he was the you know I'll say the manager of the place when he saw that it was you because they assumed you'd been kidnapped somebody had taken the money kidnapped you they were concerned that you were hurt because it certainly he certainly had nothing to do with it um and so when they saw you they said like the manager if you got to watch it the manager is like oh my god he's like that's David Gantz that's David that's like they were like he kept the FBI officer's like that's he kept he kept saying it over and I'm like oh my god like he was absolutely in shock yeah that you were that he was watching you load the vehicle and and to buy myself time I stole almost all their keys right yeah that slowed them down oh yeah a lot slowed them in also when they eventually found the truck yeah law enforcement often questions him not because he suspected of a crime but because they

find him fascinating. He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. So what happened when you left there? Where did you go when you left with the truck?

Let's see, what was in that place? It was some sort of aluminum recycling place where we met, and they had rigged the gate that when I pulled up, it would open. and I got out and the sky comes walking up on me and he says don't worry I'm with you

just give me the keys I hand him the keys and this becomes important later I say this is the keys to the van they open all the doors don't don't put it in the box

the big box of keys okay because I had a box in between the front seats filled with every key in Wells Fargo. Okay. This, we'll come back around to this. It becomes important later. And I've already got my little bit of money I'm going to take with me

because I didn't know how much money I could get through a metal detector with at the airport. I was unsure, you know. So I didn't take that much money. So Kelly and I get in her truck and we go to Columbia, South Carolina. where they've got an airport. I didn't know at the time that their airport closed at like nine. So I ended up scrapping Plan A, going on Plan B, hop on a bus in Columbia, South Carolina,

go from Columbia, South Carolina to Atlanta, Georgia, hop on a plane in Atlanta, from Atlanta to New Orleans, New Orleans to Cancun, Mexico. And you just, and back then you didn't need a passport, right? Didn't need a passport. So you're out of the country before they even know the place has been robbed. I'm eating lunch in Mexico about the time the news breaks. So what was the, they were supposed to get you $5 million?

Five million, yes. Okay. And how much did you leave with? Probably about 45 or $5. 50,000 thereabouts. Okay. So you, so what, when did you first see that it was on the news? I had to, since I was in Mexico, I had to actually kind of dig. And I found, what was it? I found a newsstand they had. Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size. Whether you're

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And I found a little blurb about it. I thought, okay, we're good. I didn't think it was that big of a story. I thought, all, good. I mean, I knew the FBI would be after me. But I didn't think that I was pretty sure they wouldn't go digging in New Mexico hard. Right. But it became bigger later, right?

Like, it didn't it, when they started looking. Yeah. Okay. And that takes us back to. um you know the van that they left with three million in it i think it was yeah they had an issue moving all there was such a bulk because most of the money was in 20s right yeah so it was so there was so much mass to it that they couldn't move it all yeah and they left like three and a half million in the in the what kills me is that they didn't come back for it yeah like they just left it

yeah why would you leave money on the table right exactly why wouldn't you i mean go remove the money, dump the money that you've got, come back. No, we even knows it's gone yet. Yeah. Yeah, well, they weren't the brightest. No, they weren't. And to be honest, neither was I, but. Well, you know, I mean, so do you know what the issues were once you were in Mexico?

Do you know what the issue, why, you know, why they got onto them so quickly? You were saying you've never, you've never really watched any of this stuff. well my guess is this we live in a small town if you go from a double wide right to a multimillion our mansion and pay in cash and cash and you go from driving a hoopty to driving a beamer you go from a cubic zirconium to an actual diamond people notice yeah And this guy tried to pass himself off as a former professional football player. Right. And I don't know what you know about the football fans and, you know, people are rabid fans about their football.

Yeah. They knew he wasn't a cowboy from any season. Yeah. He, his wife was telling him, so they actually moved from the small. town where they were in. They moved to not far from where the Loomis building, where you'd rob the Loomis building. And it was already a little town, but it happened to have this really nice gated community. And they bought that house there with cash. And when I say with cash, I don't mean like, you know, typically people will say, oh, I paid it cash, paid for it cash. Doesn't

mean you paid for it in one lump sum with a check. It's literally this guy paid in cash. So that raised huge red flags Oh yeah It would His wife What was his name again? Oh Chambers Chambers

Chambers Chambers I thought you were going to know all these or I would have a I would have written a list down So his wife starts trying to launder the money And literally walks into a bank Opens up a bag of cash

And says How much of this can I deposit Before I have to fill out that the paperwork for the government and the woman says like you know well up to 10,000 she goes okay she says listen it's not drug money

everything that you could have said that is going to get a suspicious activity report filed on you you've just said drug money what's the what's the maximum limit that nobody won't be reported I mean everything that right then it's like this is so overly suspicious

and of course they immediately fill out a report and not just that but people start calling friends of their start calling saying or you know friends starts calling saying listen lumas was robbed and these two knuckleheads were living in a double wide they just bought a multi-million dollar mansion in this small town with cash yeah they're driving expensive vehicles and the guy's a knucklehead you know and somehow another has come up with all this cash. Yeah. So immediately the FBI get on to them.

Oh, yeah. Very quickly. And it's no surprise to me. Right. And then they watched them for a while, and it became so overwhelming that something was wrong. They convinced a federal judge to give them, allow them to start listening to their, to their phone calls.

And then when they, and then they had watched long, the FBI officer said, look, we listened long enough that the search warrant is only good for so long that it was about to expire you know whatever whether it was a they got a 30 day or 60 I don't know but it was just about to

expire when Kelly received a page or a phone call from you and you had scheduled a time and one you had you needed more money

so they were trying to arrange to send you more money and two they had arranged a time for you to call a pay phone and but she wasn't there she missed the appointment or something because you know I guess she had better things to do than try and maintain the the robbery which is a big problem for criminals they once they get the money they forget about maintenance so but that I guess they said the FBI it was waiting they had a tap on the phone you called she wasn't there the office one of the FBI officers walks over because they needed to hear you yeah walked over grab the phone and listen and said hey hello and then you said something on the phone where they heard your voice and then they were like

you know I forget I think he said you like you said something you had a little brief exchange and they hung up the phone but they were like that's him like we've got but you hung up so fast they couldn't get a trace. Yeah. One of the things that's never come out in any of the interviews is I'm on the other end and I'm timing our phone. Right. Phone calls.

I bought a really expensive watch just for this. It's one of the extravagances I did. I bought a nice omega, what was it? I've mastered. My memory stretched then, but it was a nice omega watch. And I'm watching the time. Every time we talk And I'm keeping it around

Two to three minutes Yeah I was going to say like now They'd know where you were immediately But back then yeah Back then it took time to trace it Especially out of the country Oh yeah back then This goes back to me doing my research

I found out that they could trace a phone But it took them two and a half to three minutes Right And like I said outside the country even longer because they've got to contact the country and deal with dealing with the Mexican government back then would have been a nightmare I'm sure so what were you thinking when you're in Cancun you're in Cancun you're hanging out how long has it been and what are you waiting for are you waiting for them to figure out how to bring you your

money yeah what's what's what's going through your head Well, I'm in Cancun and I'm moving from place to place. And I'm starting to get concerned that this should have been easy. You can smuggle anything you want into Mexico. Yeah. Easy. Going south. Easy as pie.

And I'm like, all you had to do is box it up. Send it UPS. Easy peasy. Stick it in a car. They're not stopping cars going. In New Mexico. You just drive down here. Yeah.

Could have bought a hoopty, an old station wagon, van, whatever. Filled it up, drove it down, done deal. Forget about me. So, all right, but that's not happening. What is happening? Do you know, do you? The gist of it is they've had a meeting, and they've decided they're going to kill, they're going to kill me. Right.

And he's going to hire, he's got a buddy. McKinney and they're going to hire him he's going to go down to Mexico and kill me right and the FBI hears this the FBI hears this and that that's when they really start looking to figure out

exactly where I'm at in Mexico right because they have a bigger issue now yeah now it's not okay there's some missing money we can print the money again there's insurance there's that now somebody's going to get killed and they realize also that you know there's bigger place players involved, and more serious players, where you were doing something that was nonviolent,

you were taking advantage of an opportunity, these guys are ready to start killing people. They think they're gangsters. I went out of my way to avoid violence. Right. You know, I didn't, because, and I know this sounds hypocritical of me, none of that money was worth a drop of human blood. Right. I would have set the money on fire before I would hurt somebody.

So, so what, so at what point. Or do you know that they're, obviously, they've got their, their phones tapped and they're listening? Do you know what happened and how did they, the FBI, figure out where you were? I'm not sure exactly, but I'd move down to Cozumel and Playa Del Carmen. We're getting towards the end of it. See, that would have been January or so that year. and I'm talking to Kelly Campbell and I hear a second click after she hangs up

and we'd had a conversation later listen I told her I told them your phone's tapped I heard a second click because that was one of the tell tell signs back in the olden days that your phone was tapped you could hang on just a second you'd hear hear them hang up It'd go click, and then you hear a second click, right? And the tap would be broken.

Yeah. Because the line was still alive. It was really like a second person holding the phone in the same room. Yeah. So they had to wait and you'd hang up and then they'd hang up. Yeah, back then it was very analog. Right. And so now I'm thinking something's not right.

And McKinney had come down to Mexico and had brought me some money, brought me like seven, excuse, seven, eight thousand bucks, which made me suspicious. The way he acted made me suspicious. And the, the cherry on top of the cake was, after he left, one of the guys, one of the Mexicans he was working with came by my apartment. His nickname was Gordo. He's a big guy. And he says, you know that this guy is planning on killing.

killing you. I'm like, I was shocked, and I tipped the guy handsomely. You were shocked? Shocked. Okay. I mean, because to me, it made, I was very naive. It made no sense. There was plenty of money for everybody.

Right. Why don't just pay you and just pay me and forget about me? I mean, they're, from their perspective, and I'm only, I'm only saying this because I've watched, you know, the, the documentaries and the FBI agent was saying he's like the problem is is that from their perspective they're thinking everybody knows you took the money nobody knows and from their mind obviously the FBI does know but they're thinking everybody knows that Gant took the money but they don't know who we are yeah so if if he dies then it dies with him he took the money they find some money, they assume he's hidden the money, they'll never get to us. Of course, they already had gotten

to them. They didn't know that. So they're thinking, you know, cut off the head of the snake and then, you know, the whole thing will die down, you know, not that I think you, not that I think that's a justified reason, but you're not wrong. It was their reason, you know. Um, but, but I don't know, I think I, I took it personal for a long time and I'm working with that. I'm working process. processing through that feeling of disgust. But, oh, that's a whole different story. So what happens if the guy tells you that? What do you think?

Are you thinking, I'm fucking, I'm out of here? Weirdly, after this, every time I meet, he was calling himself Bruno. Every time I meet Bruno, it's in a very public place. And I've bought myself a knife. sharpened it up. Every time we meet, it's in public. It's face to face. And I don't let him, you know, close to me. And we end up staying in Plydele Carmen. He brought me some money. And this is right there at the end of it. And I'm at the Turtle La Tortuga Hotel. When they FBI picked me up.

How did that happen? It was weird because it was a very touristy town. During the week, there's no gringoes, right? I was an oddball. And then when there were three more gringoes in town, it was a little strange. And I noticed them. I even talked to one of them at one point. And eventually, I'd gone out to do laundry.

And they thought I was making a break for it. They thought I was running. And they caught me coming back to the hotel. And the FBI agent comes up, says, hey, Mr. Gant, I know who you are. You're under arrest. And that was the beginning of the end, so to speak. Had Kelly and everybody already been arrested at that point? Yeah, they had already arrested them.

rounded them up and they were i think they had even got a bruno at the same time i i want to say and and i don't know this um i do remember and it's funny because i i only watched a bit a few bits and pieces i'm really remembering this from seeing it 20 years ago um i want to say that um chambers they grabbed him and he told them where you were I could be wrong I do know that when they grabbed him he immediately

he immediately rolled over on He rolled over like a horrible egg Right so he may have been He may have told them exactly where you were You know for all I know Or maybe they had been tracing the phones And they had figured out by that point I don't know but they grabbed you

Did they bring you to up to a local police station or did they bring you straight to the airport? They brought me, I spent the night with the Mexican Federales and they were going to, big air quotes here, deport me from Mexico, okay, and they put me on an airplane flight that just happened to have two FBI agents. all right so okay so they don't need to extradite you um so you show up back in did you where did you fly into um flew i think we went straight to charlotte okay you're processed

in by the uh marshals marshals right there in charlotte macklenburg and they put me on the sixth floor which is like their version of max okay um because the story had had exploded right um um what so when you know when the did they explain to you hey these guys they're gonna kill you oh yeah uh me and the fbi agent had a long long conference we actually became friends oddly yeah he he seemed like look like i've watched a lot of these like he he genuinely seemed to to like you and like he like i've never seen one of these where they just didn't have is that they had a lot of of bad things to say about chambers they had they really portray them as just being bumbling idiots but he none of the FBI interviews portray you as anything other than just being a nice guy

who was frustrated with his situation and saw the opportunity and took it yeah like that's how they and that's not far from wrong right um i see myself as an opportunist and i think most human are opportunist if they in the right circumstances in the right circumstances anybody would have done what I did um so so when you come back

you have a long conversation with them like what's the conversation what um it I told him my version of the story and he asked more and more questions and I think one of the things that kind of impressed him about me

this is I'm going to make a huge assumption here is I explained my logic behind everything and how I looked at the crime itself and told him about my research and he's like you you thought you put a lot of thought into I'm like yeah you guys are easy to beat on any given day you you approach every crime the exact same way it's a chess game if I know that you're going to lead with your pawn out in front and then a night's coming behind it, I can figure out how to beat your ass. Yeah, but you can't account for the, the nine million other things that can go wrong.

Yeah, I said I always say whenever people say, oh, have you ever think about crime? I'm like, or do you think you could get away with what you did today? I always think, yeah, I can. My problem is you cannot account for the. fly in the ointment like you just there's just there's just no accounting for someone screwing up yeah or a mistake or you know in this case like had had chambers had they gone with the plan let's let's let's let them sit down there wait a month or two give them some money wait a month or two bring down a couple million wait a couple made another month bring down a couple more

a million because you never know if you're going to to me i'd be afraid what if i get pulled over by the police they search the car if they get the money um I would have been more like, hey, let me bring you a couple million, wait, a couple million, bring you the last million, and you're good. You know, had they done that, then, you know, maybe you do get caught later. Maybe you go to Costa Rica. Maybe something happens you get caught later. But at least they followed that portion of the plan. Yeah.

But, you know, but you can't account for what happened with them was from the very get-go, they decided to double-cross you. Yeah. How are you going to figure that out? How do you know that? Yeah. How do you foresee that? And I look back on it in Heinz's like, if we'd have got that money into a Cayman bank account, all of it, and he could, he had lived off the interest easy. I think the interest would have been 75, 80,000 a year.

There was no inch. If you put $5 million into, you know, if you put $5 million and lived off of $50,000, you could live for $50,000 in the Cayman Islands. You might as well be making $300,000. But so, okay, so what happened with you end up taking a plea? I mean, you can't go to trial. Yeah, that's stupid. Almost no one that goes to federal court, almost everybody takes a plea of some sort. Yeah, yeah.

They've got like a, what, it was 97% conviction, right? Unless you got big bucks, you can't fight the government. No. So listen, I always say, look, even if you're guilty, you got a 50% chance of being found. I mean, even if you're not guilty, you have a 50% chance of being found guilty. Oh, yeah. So what did you end up taking? What was the last? I see, was it, 96 months?

It was like just a little over six years. After about a week, she was like, okay, let's do it. I'll drive the car. You're going to go and do everything. So went by Walmart and got a guy. a devil's mask and put it on and had her pull up to the bank. I thought about all this all the way through. You know, I planned it and thought about it. I watched point break about 20 more times and realized you couldn't go into the vault. You just had to stay at the drawers up

front, you know, kill time at the vault. So we talked about it for about another four or five days and then we went and did it and the first one we did um how did you know what bank did even rob like did you i lived in this apartment complex and across the street there was a a bank that had a unique setup it was just the perfect setup there was privacy fences on three sides of the bank and then on one side of it was a shopping center and then it was at a big intersection where the roads crossed like this. There was a little shopping center right here, a convenience store right here,

and the bank was right here with three privacy fences around it and a residential area behind it. I'd been looking at it. Ever since I moved into the apartment, I was like, that'd be a great bank to Rob. So we went and did that.

And she dropped me off. She pulled up to the convenience store that was at the corner, killed 15, 20 seconds, because I'd already timed it all out how long it was going to take me to do everything, you know, unless something went,

a rye and so then i ran through the shopping center to the other road and she pulled up perfect timing pick me up and we will get out of there um well you missed the bank robbery part what i mean i wasn't going to talk about all that no i was going to say you're so um wow it's i haven't really recounted it i guess in really specific terms you know since then so forgive me if I'm a little slow sometimes. No, I, I'm just curious. Sure. You know, and we've talked about this, you know, off.

Like, this is, you know, I've talked to guys who do podcasts and they're always like, like I've had guys actually say, well, I don't usually want to talk, talk to the guests, you know, before the podcast. And it's like, really, because I'm like, oh, I always thought, oh, that's rude. You're being a jerk or whatever. But the truth is is that, like, we had a great discussion. Sure. About adrenaline, about, like, you know, going in.

Like, and that's what I'm wondering. about is is like going up to like me walking into a bank with fake credentials and everything. I have a certain, you know, the whole thing, you know, you had the adrenaline, you walk in. I know certain things. I mean, I'm just wondering, like, were you, did you think about changing your mind? Like, were you, when you're walking towards that bank, are you just like, like tunnel vision? That's it. Okay.

So it's like, tunnel vision. I'm doing this and that's it. Yep. Yep. I had tried to do it a couple times myself and honestly pulled up in front of the bank and was just like tried to sight myself up, whatever. No, just can't do it. So I think it was having somebody else involved maybe that pushed me to go do it.

So we pull up. She had went in maybe four or five days earlier to just do something fake to see if they had a security guard or not. So we knew there wasn't a security guard So I didn't have to worry about that It's a fairly small bank There was like maybe two three tellers I don't remember because I had tunnel vision the whole time So two three tellers you know one person in the office

Something like that Got my devil's mask on I got I got a hoodie on So that I can cover myself up completely Had on dishwashing gloves actually Because the vinyl gloves weren't that big of a deal yet You know you get in the boxes that they've got now Right So I dishwashing gloves because they would grip money good

I wanted to have everything covered so I wouldn't leave any hair, DNA, anything like that. This is, funniest thing is I used to BB gun. Are you real? An unloaded BB gun. I knew I was going to shoot anybody. I didn't want to hurt anybody. I know a guy that used a pellet gun

and fired the pellet gun in the middle of the robbery. He said his adrenaline, he was yelling, people weren't getting down fast enough. He was, so I pulled the trigger. And it ricocheted off the ceiling and hit a woman in the, in the calf. And she screamed, ah, I've been hit. And she falls down. And he said, he panics and runs out of the bank.

Never got any money. He's like, oh, my God, I shot her. It's like, how did you think you shot her? You had a pelican. It's like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And I wasn't seeing straight.

You can't think when you're doing that. I mean, it all is a blur. I mean, it really is. You know, at that time. I was 23 years old. I've been watching point break. You know, I go in like a gangbuster, got this gun, devil mask. I'm all hooked up.

I go over, vault the counter, just go straight over the counter. Right. And start waving the gun around. I think I had a pillowcase at the time to put the money in. Philly's double money, blah, blah, blah, blah. Did that jump back over the counter and was gone. You know. Were you worried about die packs or anything like that?

Not really. I had a friend of mine. one of the guys that I got in trouble with during the burglary we had talked about doing a whole lot of things and his mom was actually a bank teller. Okay. So when we started getting into doing some of this kind of

stuff, he started talking to his mom and asking questions to find out you know, what was what. So we knew about what diapaks look like. They're a little bit thicker and they're heavier than a regular stack of money. So I knew kind of how to identify them but

mostly I just wanted to see if I could do it. I think at that point um so went in there vault at the counter had him fill the bag up got out that's that when you said tunnel vision that was really about the best way to describe it um when you start going in there that's your sole mission and in my mind you've got to get away yeah yeah so if there's a pile of shrubs or whatever out there you're going through that shit yeah um so you're going through over under no matter I'm yeah yeah no matter what uh and i've also come to the conclusion that fear will outrun anger if somebody's mad at you and they're chasing you and you're scared of them you're probably

going to run faster than they are because you're going to get that adrenaline going so well when you go in the bank i mean like like the it's just a bunch of tellers like they immediately just go in the drawers and just start handing over the money right away like that nobody puts up a fight nobody says anything nobody just runs nothing they just they kind of stand there in shock oh they stand there in shock for a second So we kind of have to prod them along, you know, tell them, do it now, you know, put it in here. So, because they'll just stand there and shop until you guide them. And they're trained. I mean, they're like they're, they're trained to don't give the guy any trouble.

Just give them the money immediately. It's not your money. Give it to them. Get them out of the bank. Like they wanted to get you out of the bank before something happens to us, customer or. Right. And that was one of the things that I found out from that friend of mine who talked to his mom was that they are trained to do whatever. In fact, one of the ones that I did.

I carried in a walkie-talkie with me. And I told them, I said, don't hit the alarm. I got a police scanner and I'll know if you do. Right. I didn't know it until later after I got arrested and everything. When I looked at the paperwork, I found out that they did not hit the alarm. Right. They waited until I left and called 911.

So if I would have gotten to do any more, if I would have had that knowledge, I would see if I could make them cook like a chicken or something. You know? Just something off the wall just to see. So you got the money. And you're out of the bank. Out of the bank. We'd take off. We'd found a route that would get us quickly to another town.

And her friend worked as a bartender in Appleby's. So we said, we'll get there as quick as we can. Right. And then she'll swear we were there the whole time at Appleby's hanging out. So we did that and went and had a couple drinks just for appearances. And then we went back out to the car and started looking at everything. What year was this in? 1995, November of 95.

Great, because there's no, it's not like there's cameras on every, right now. there's cameras just everywhere everywhere i mean they can walk around they can do a small perimeter and find somewhere where they've got your tag number somebody some yeah some some business someplace has a tag number something yeah but back then we didn't have to worry about that you know they weren't even they weren't even on the outside of the banks um so i had her pull right up to the front and drop me off at the door um so we got home and we went through the money and we had five thousand dollars yeah yeah I heard that like the average bank robber gets 3,500 bucks like that's the average or something like that's not very high no I mean that was that was I heard that by the way I heard that before I even went to prison I don't know if it's higher now but five grand yeah got five grand I was mad as hell not going to lie I'm like man we just robbed a bank we got $5,000 you're looking at like with a gun with a gun because it doesn't matter that it's a pellet gun at that time it did oh it did yeah the law had changed since then so because in like seven years like minimum you're getting settled like just Just for a gunner, yeah.

Back at that time, it was just counted, I think, as a weapon. But it wasn't considered a firearm because it has to be propelled by an explosion. Right. So, yeah, we're mad as hell. You know, we got $5,000. That goes pretty quick in any kind of world. And if you're partying, it goes even quicker. Yeah.

So a month, to the day, a month, December 7th, 1995, we found another bank we were going to do. And this- Your girl's down. She is down for anything, bro. That's, yep. She was. Because she's robbing the bank. She's probably thinking, no, no, I'm just driving the car.

No. You're getting charged. You're bankrupt robber. The way they've got it turned is a hand in one is a hand in all. Yeah. So if you have anything to do with it, you're all the way in. But yeah, she was, she was as dumb as I was. So we ran through that party and, you know, just that's not an exciting story at all.

So we found the second one. And we went to do it, and it was set up a little bit differently. So there was a big parking lot for a grocery store and a couple of little stores beside it, and there was a couple of trees over there. So she was going to go parking the parking lot. And I was going to hit the bank and then go over to the parking lot and get in the car. Went into this bank, same way. I think I had a little bit of supervillain in me and wanted to be notorious,

so I wore the same devil's mask as I did in the first one. Nice. So, yeah. Make sure there's a link. Right, you got to do that. It does seem, it does seem cool to have a theme, you know?

It does. You know, I wanted to be the Joker or something. In the movie, it seems, in the movie version is cool. But in reality, it's like, I really want to do this vastly different. Right. They catch me for one.

They got me for one. Yeah. Yeah. So. But I get it. I'd have done the same fucking thing. Yeah. You know, so did that.

Went in. did the same exact way had you know the mask, hoodie gloves had the BB gun vaulted the counter like I did before and jumped over the counter and told them to fill the bags up they fill the suitcase or the pillow case

up and I thought about that $5,000 and I said this ain't right where's the big money where's the other money well as it turns out they've got a top drawer which is the till like you'd have a grocery store or something there's a drawer underneath it

this got all the banded money where they can refill their drawer. So I was like, yeah, put all that in here too. So they put all that in there. I take off out of there, and there was, as I run out the back door of the bank and go this way, I ran by the drive-thru, and there was a woman in the drive-thru sitting there gawking at me.

So I ran up to her car, and I tapped on the window. And I was like, you've got to go. And she just looked at me, and I said, go. and she beat feet out of there. I still don't know to this day if that's the person that followed us, but somebody followed us from the bank. Went back to a friend of mine's house that I was staying with at the time, dropped my car off and got her car, switched everything over,

went to her house to do all the count of the money. So we get back there and I took all the money into the bedroom and was sitting there starting to go through it and count it, had pencil and papers, I could write everything now. I'm all excited, you know, yeah,

this is going to be a lot better than $5,000. Yeah. You know, and all that, I get started with it, and it's a great big pile on the bed, and I'm all happy and whatnot. And she comes walking there,

and she's like, hey, baby, there's a cop car outside. Ooh. I was like, just one? She said, yeah. I said, okay. Well, if it's just one,

that's fine. And she said, uh, now there's two. Shit. You know? So, well,

Well, sweetie, you're going to have to take this money and go out there and just admit what you did. So, of course, being the... I'm going to put money on your books. I'll stay out here. I'll stay out here and take care of you. Exactly. Yep. So we sit, you know, we're just sitting there stunned for a moment.

And her sister lived next door to us, this family land and all that. So we get a phone call and it's her sister. And she's like, there's people from the FBI over here saying that y'all are robbed a bank and need to come outside. Which I already knew once we knew there was two cops out there, that's over. You have to admit, like, even when things were going wrong in my case, there was still this little part in me that said, it's a coincidence, it's not, they're not going to figure it out, it's not like, it's up right up until you hear the voice and they say it, it's like,

then it's just like, there's just, makes it real. It's so real. It's like suddenly so real. There's just, at least before there was a one person. percent chance. Yeah, that sliver. Well, my philosophy when I planned these things was always that if I can get away from the bank, you'll be all right. I'll be fine. Yeah, but now you've got this money with bands on it and... Yeah, that wouldn't, that didn't mess us up. I mean, oh, okay. There was... I would think the bands could be tracked back to that bank or something. Like,

I mean, I would think something I would be concerned. Well, we got caught on that one, so... Yeah, yeah. No, no, that's what I mean. I'm saying, like, if you're, I thought you were trying to say that I figured, even if they caught me when I was away from the bank, I could still say that wasn't me, but, but not if they've got the bands on the money. Yeah, no. I'm still thinking you're still in the right. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, they ask you to politely come out. They ask us to partly come out. I go and look out the window and by that time, there's like 10, 12 cop cars out there, and they're all behind their cars with guns out because they think we got a gun because I had a BB gun. Yeah. So they think we're armed and dangerous. And that's when I decided I wasn't

ready to die yet, I wasn't going to run out there and a hail of bullets. That was my idea. It was fuck it. I'm not going to let him take me alive. Um, yeah, that's, that's a bunch of macho bullshit. So the, what was it Sunday? Uh, what's the sendance? What's the name of the Sundance kid? Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid. Yeah. It sounds. It's beautiful. It's a, it's a very romantic. It is. Yeah. Only if you get to leave the theater afterwards. Yeah. Definitely helps. So. So. We sit there for maybe three or four minutes. And like, what are we going to do?

What are we going to do? Well, stupidly, we hide the money and mask and everything under the bed. They'll never find it there, right? This is here when we got here. We've been set up. Yeah, right? So we go out and surrender, you know, and that was really all we could do. They charged us with two banks.

I got 63 months, I guess. So five years Got into the federal system in 96 Went from the businesses To now check cash in spots To eventually banks And there was a close call that occurred With one of the bank robberies

And at this time, mind you, I'm all in the news Like they have no idea who I am supposedly I'm in the news It seems like every other week They're talking about the get down and count bandit The feds had dubbed me that after I started robbing the banks. And I'm wearing different disguises now. It started off where I'm fully masked up and gloved up to now I'm putting on, gluing on fake beards, wearing sunglasses

and these crazy disguises. Like, it's getting pretty methodical and well thought out. And every week they're airing this stuff on the news. Like, yeah, the get down and count bandage struck again. And it's becoming intoxicating in the sense that not only am I getting away with it and the thrills the highs and blah, blah, blah, but people in my circle are now enabling the behavior because they're like, let's just hit a robbery. Let's hit a lick. They're egging it on themselves. Like, let's go on shopping sprees. Let's go get this for that. Another. And it gets to a point where I'd rob this bank, right? And during the incident of die pack ends up going off. We get away that day, barely by the hairs on my chinny, chin, but it was after that robbery where I started having some epiphanies like, bro, you're taking some crazy chances with your life for what.

I mean, granted, the money was cool, especially when we started robbing the banks and stuff. And I'm like, is it really worth it? And I remember telling myself that and deciding, like, no more. I'm done. I can't be out here taking these chances with my life. I just got done doing five years in prison. And here I am out here in these streets again on this bullshit. Like, this is crazy.

What am I doing? But it was too late, bro. A week after that bank incident occurred, the feds came and knocking. And how did they, how they got on my trail? Yeah. So the story goes, and I still to this day don't even know the legitimacy of this, but they say that my bank surveillance photograph had been circulating through various police precincts. And they say that an individual old school resource officer of mine, I won't name him because I don't know what liability you'll have. We put his name out there. But this guy. just to give the people context. In high school, you already know about the fucking idiot that I was. I was a misfit, bro.

This school, high school resource officer that supposedly saw this picture, he and I had the worst blood imaginable. Like, he was constantly breaking up house parties that I was at. He was constantly trying to catch my hand in the cookie jar because he knew I was thoroughly immersed in the criminal lifestyle. What is a resource officer? Is that like a police officer? Yeah, police officer.

So that was stationed inside the schools. Oh, okay. Sorry. Yep. Yep. So this police officer, like, he was constantly throughout my high school years trying to catch me. It was this huge game of cat and mouse between me and him. And there were verbal confrontations with him.

Like, I could not stand this clown. This photograph of mine is floating across these precincts as they're trying to figure out who I am. Now, as the story goes, apparently this officer sees this photograph now mind you in this photograph i have a fake beard on glasses the whole get up he sees this photo and he was like i think that's i think i know who that is and they're like who is it he was like that's sean marshall and they're like okay possibly and keep in mind i had put on 50 pounds since he had last seen me now there's certain facial features, I guess, maybe or that distinctive. I don't know. But he was like, that's Sean

Marshall. But that's still not enough to get a arrest warrant, but it's enough to give them an idea, something to look into. So they research that. They put my name in the system. They're like, you know what? He is on parole right now. And this kind of fits his MO. They're like, let's go ahead and put his mugshot in this lineup and take it back around to these businesses so they do that and but it doesn't work to their benefits because they take it to all the banks and all these businesses and no one can definitively say like yeah that's that's this guy there's a couple that are kind of questioning like this guy kind of looks familiar but he had like they were trying to frame a guilty man

So look, they go through this whole process, right? And no one can definitively say, like, that's Sean Marshall. There's a couple people that point to me, and they're like, that kind of looks like him, but he had a full disguise on. So that's still piquing their curiosity. The old school resource officer now takes my mugshot in these bank surveillance photos to my old high school and has a conversation with the principal

and he asks him he was like who does this guy look like to you and apparently as the story goes the principal is like oh that's Sean Marshall so the police are like you know what I think we have enough to at least question him we don't have enough to arrest them clearly but we have enough to where we can pick them up

and question them and that's exactly what they do they come and they uh that day they had a whole tactical unit and whatnot following me throughout the streets and ended up pulling me over in denver because i'm staying in Denver at that time and at that time uh my girl and myself were in the car when they pull us over and uh i know when they pull up behind me they don't have any physical evidence like i'm not worried about that but what's going through my mind is that someone in my crew because there were seven of us. And this string of robberies that I was involved in,

there were seven people altogether. So the first thing that's going through my mind is someone got caught and is now trying to finger me and implicate me in these robberies. So I'm like, fuck, who got caught? Not necessarily enough. That's still not.

It's not. You getting caught saying Jimmy was with me. Not enough. So I'm panicking, right? I'm like, fuck. I'm trying to play out all the possible scenarios the police are behind me and yeah we end up getting pulled over and the last thing I tell my girlfriend is I'm getting out of the call I'm like baby they don't know shit keep your mouth shut

we're good shut the fuck up and I was like I get out surrender to the police play the role long story short bro they end up taking me and my girlfriend to the precincts and And they end up getting her to connect me to a robbery and it snowballs from there. I end up confessing to my role in all of it. And they then at that point are now pressuring me to roll over on my accomplices. They're like, well, we know there's six other people involved in this. They're like, work with us, we'll work with you. And I'm like, no, fuck off.

I'm not about to snitch on these people just to save my own hide. I was like, I'm good. So they're like, bro, you're about to go away for a long time. You're on parole for a robbery and we're just arresting you for another string of robberies. Like, you're done. You have no wiggle room right now. Like, you're either going to play ball with us or your life is over with. And as enticing as it is in that moment to just be like, oh, man, fuck.

All right, it's Jim, John, and whomever. I'm like, I can't do it, bro. the fiber of my being wouldn't allow me to roll over on my accomplices and I'm like I'm not doing it I'm like you have my cell phone I'll give you their phone numbers bro because Jimmy

Todd lived with his mom Bill I mean fuck I just got out of prison can we spread this around oh so you're saying there's 30 years Jimmy can do two

Todd got five in them I couldn't do it bro I could not do it For the life of me, I couldn't. So they're like, bro. The difference between a fraudster and a guy that goes in a bank with a gun. They're like, what? I'm not even that close with Bill.

Yeah. I never really liked Bill. Be honest, will you? Oh, man. I couldn't do it, bro. I couldn't. And I think for me, the big thing was this. And this is what it boiled down to.

The people that I would have been betrayed, they didn't deserve to be in prison. Like, granted, they, they, were involved in these activities but in my mind they were misguided I had misguided them and I felt a responsibility with that the guilt that I felt

throughout all those robberies and the reason why I was so careful about how it was victimizing people like in that moment as I'm being interrogated I knew I'd fuck myself bro and I knew that in the course of that I had misled a whole bunch of people and those people that were with me

they were just following my lead bro this wasn't a kid anymore. This wasn't little Sean that was following his gang affiliates and O.G.'s, you know, orders and footsteps. This was grown-ass Sean who had to be accountable for his actions. And I felt a huge weight in responsibility. And I was like, you know what? This is my fault.

I need to take this. And I did. And what ended up happening is I ended up, getting 45 years for that yeah 45 years and the reason it came to that is throughout the trial you pled guilty i played guilty and what led to that is that initially the deal that was offered to me was like 30 to 65 years and when the DA came to me during that whole sentence in phase i'm like bro you're a dick i'm not are you crazy i was like i didn't even kill anybody like that's a life sentence I was like, I'll take a 20 year sentence.

I know I fucked up. I know I deserve to be in prison. But I was like, I'm not taking a 30 to 65 year deal. That's crazy. And for months, went back and forth with the DA. And the DA, all he kept saying is like, bro, if you don't roll over on your co-defendants, it's over for you. I don't give a fuck what you're talking about. And this is the only deal I'm putting on the table.

He was like, I know there are six other people involved in this. So you either play with me or you're done. And I still refused to do it. And it got to a point where my lawyer at the time was able to negotiate what they call a mediation session. And that's where a senior judge mediates between like the defense counsel and the prosecutor, kind of looks over the facts of the case and tries to help both parties come to a reasonable deal. And during the course of that session, you know, the senior judge more or less just kept a real with me. Sean, you're fucked. He was like, I'm not even going to sugarcoat this situation for you. He was like, right now, your feet are cemented into the ground and the DA is like a semi

truck coming at you full speed. He was like, today you have a choice to make. You can either die in prison. He was like, because if you take it the trial, because I was adamant about going the trial, I was like, if you're going to give me a life sentence, I might as well get. Because I was facing 100 to 400 years. That's how much they stacked those charges against me. Right. There were like 10 plus armed robbery charges, each carrying a 10 to like 32 year sentence on top of a simulated weapon menacing charge, whatever it was. So in all, had I taken my case to trial the way that they stacked those charges against me because all those sentences would run consecutively with each other.

Right. So going to trial and losing, I'm facing 100 to 400 years, right? he was like bro the senior judge is telling me like you're either going to die in prison because that's what's going to happen if you get 100 years he was like even if you get the low end of that sentence 100 years

you can't do that you're going to die in prison and he was like granted you can take chances on a pill and hope that something goes wrong during the course of this trial and that you can come back and get resentenced

or get your case thrown out but he was like that's rare but he was like that rarely happens right he was like so today you have to make a choice and i was like today he was like today is the only time they were they this room this session that we're having they're like today is when you need to decide whether you're taking this deal or not you can't meditate on this you can't think about this for any substantial amount of time this is it buddy what's your lawyer then my lawyer's

like sean take her the fucking deal because the d a he comes back after these conversations and he was like, I'll give Sean 45 years. If he's not going to play ball with us, 45 years is all I'm willing to give him. But you guys have parole. Say it again. You have parole, but. So 45 years of violent 45 is what they tried to give me to plea to.

On that, I would have had to serve 75% of it before being eligible for parole. So they're trying to get me to serve 30 years in prison before I'm even eligible to be. a free man and the judge said that during the session he was like your choice today is a matter of choosing between dying in prison or getting out to your grandchildren and living out your golden years right i was like what type of choice is that and he was like that's the choice you have my friend and in that moment i was like you know what fuck it give me the 45 years one of the his friend comes up to me and says, hey, man, your roommate said he was going to do this, go to this bank and walk in and, you know, rob it basically. And he goes, but if he backs out, will you do it? And like, I'm thinking like, I'm sick. I need money. This could take care of me for a while. So I said, yeah. And of course, the other guy backed out. So I'm like, well, shit, I guess I got to do it. And that's where it all started. That was, uh, there in Phoenix.

What'd you do? You just, you wrote a note or? Yeah, so I wrote a note and I had long hair. I'm kind of growing it long now, but I had long hair before that, about down to here. And so I cut my hair and I threw on the little Irish, you know, a little golfer Irish hat. And I had a long sleeve shirt on and pants.

But like I went and got the elastic like grandma. pants, you know? And so underneath my long sleeve shirt was a short sleeve t-shirt. And underneath my pants were shorts. And I stashed a backpack in this underground garage. And so when I, so I went into the bank and I wrote a note. I put it on the counter. And he's just looking at me. And I see his hand go like this. I'm like, don't you press that fucking button. Don't you press that fucking button. And he goes like this. Just ragged my face. Like, there you go.

Stick it, you know? Press the button. And I was so nervous. Like, it's just pure adrenaline at that time because I, you know, I got the discovery back. And I never even put the glasses down over my face. I'm staring at the camera like, you know, when they get the discovery. And so. You didn't get any money.

No, I got about $3,000. he gave me the money and hit the button and hit the button and so he gave me the money and so I went down under the garage did the little switcheroo through the stuff in the backpack and I had a little black bag like this and threw stuff in the backpack walked through the parking garage came up an elevator that was on another side and took another walkway and up another elevator to street level and then went across and then I got on the light rail there in phoenix and as i'm coming across the police are pulling into the bank and i'm just like and um so that took care of you know for that was the first that was a u.s bank there on central and um no weapon or nothing i was very polite in my note they said like good morning i think the first one i put this is a this is a burglary not there robert this is a burglary you know, said a few things and like, thank you, you know, and gave them the note.

And so, but, you know, I think I've watched a few of the videos. Like, you don't really get very much when you go in and do the teller, like, with a note or unless you're doing on some giant takeover. Yeah. Unless you go after the cash. And if you go into a lot of these guys will tell you, if you go into the cash drawer, like someone they'll have a main drawer with Tim. Yeah. 9,000, but usually those have pure euros and all kinds of problems. I got one of those, like my third bank, yeah, because I got like 10, 11 grand from that.

I hit the head teller, and so she had the big cash drawer. And so I did the first one, and then it was about two, three weeks. And then, of course, when you have money like that, you're going crazy with dope. I mean, I wasn't buying new things, fancy things or anything like that. And so now it's important to other people's habit. you know, everybody's your friend when you have, uh, when you got the fix. Right. And, and so then I, um, I went in trying to think what, which was next.

So I did, um, this bank way on the, that's the one with the headteller, way on the north side of town. And I had a, a driver for that. And so, but he didn't know what was going on. I just said, look, you're going to go here and you're going to park right here. And I'll be back in a few minutes. And then I got back in the car and like, go. Go, go, go.

And so I got the main teller in that one. And so he figured out what was going on, you know. So obviously now one person knows, and then my roommates know, and that's never good. And so by the time I did another one right next to the first one on Central, and they had one of those machines where almost like a printer machine, but it's a little small ATM machine. And so I go in there and she gives me $1,000. I'm like, what fuck is this?

She didn't even open a drawer or nothing. She goes, I have to print it from the machine unless they go back into the vault and that's going to take some time. And she goes, if you want to wait five minutes, I can print out another thousand. Kind of like a drop drawer at a, you know, like Circle K or 7-Eleven, something like that. They have those drop drawers. And I'm like, ah. So that was like a thousand bucks out of that.

It's rough my average, you know, but, uh. But after that second one, we got robbed, because my roommate was real sloppy. He would get all Xanaxed out and have these periods of heroin Xanax, three-day blackouts. And so he had people come into her house and late at night because he was selling. And we got robbed and he's getting pistol whipped. And I jump and come trying to do a Superman and ran right into a fist. And so I had a. about four grand in those, you know, those Russian maternity dolls, like the one inside

the other, inside the other, inside of the other. So I'd rolled all the cash and put it in that. It was on my dresser. And I think the guy knew I had money. I think it was a setup. Like someone knew, told him I had money or something because he was going through the whole house. He's looking under the mattress, unless he was just looking for dope money, but we weren't

those kind of dealer people, you know? And he picks that thing up and he puts it down. He moves it over. And he couldn't find anything. You know, so he just stole my phone and my TV, but it's, you know, that's, uh, I'm lucky we didn't get shot because the guy was getting pissed. My buddy was getting pistol whipped and I grabbed the guy with the knife and just, uh, crazy, crazy things, you know? But that's what happens when you're, when you're living that life, you know? And, uh, so I, I did the third one and then they, um, they started putting me on the news.

Oh, those bastards. Those bastards, yeah. Do you have the clip? I don't know if you have the clip or not. Did I send it to you? The YouTube clip? I don't think so. You got to send me that, yeah, send it to me for sure.

Yeah. Yeah, so I ended up, they started putting me on the news and they, I come home and my roommate said, dude, you were just on the news. You're just on the news. I'm like, ah, shit. And so I did one more bank after that. And then I decided, you know what? This is it.

I bought a Lincoln. like this is 2016 so I bought it like a 2004 lincoln limo edition special edition windows tinted and I'm like you know this is cool I got money now I'm driving my dealer around so I'm getting hooked up I'm getting hooked up you know like every day I don't have to worry about money to do my habit you know because I wasn't looking to get rich off of the banks I was just looking to not get sick right and so like I'm hooked up. I got, I'm driving my dealer around, making deliveries for him, going here, going there. And, um, and so, but some crazy things started happening. Like, uh, I'm like, dude, I feel like

we're being followed. He's like, no. No. No, and, you know, he's selling meth, so everybody out, huh? Who would follow us? Yeah, right? You're all like, you've only robbed three banks. Right, right. And I'm driving around with him with, you know, A couple ounces of heroin and meth and then shotgun in the back. And like, who would follow us? Look at all heroin down driving the Lincoln. But my excuse was, like, they had was called livery service in Arizona. So my justification for you, if I ever got pulled over, I had nothing in the front.

It was all in the back. And I don't know what he brought in the car. It's, you know, wasn't me. And so. So I just figured that was the, you know, that was a safe way to go about it. I was like, man, I feel like I'm being followed. And this was about September, 2016. And like I would park, we had parked somewhere, and this van would come around to the side, like a little minivan.

But it would be like a lady with her two kids, right? And so they followed us all the way to this place. and then they parked there. I'm like, what's up? So I started walking and they just tires peel and take off. But it's like this, a small-in-lady with two kids in the car. And so I'm starting to get more paranoid now. But it's definitely not the police.

No, that was definitely not the police. But we're being followed. And so I'm like, what? So one time on the freeway, I feel like, I'm like, man, this is crazy. So I'm on the main freeway there in Phoenix And everybody's gone Anybody knows Phoenix they're doing 80 if they're doing anything And I slow down to like 40 miles an hour

On the freeway in the center lane And the two cars that I thought were following me Wouldn't pass me And I'm like, this is odd This is really odd And there's a big SUV And I don't know what the person I was driving it So then I take off and I'm doing 95

and the guy's right on my tail. And then a police car comes, flashing his lights, and I think he's pulling me over. And then he gets in front of the car and me, and they pull him over. And I'm like, this is odd. Like, what? I don't understand this.

You know, and so that went on for about three months. And later to come and find out, they had a GPS on my car. so I don't know if they have some kind of they take their CIs to follow people when they're doing this but I don't know it was just or maybe he made some bad deals my my buddy made some bad deals and they were following us I don't know but it was it was a odd things were happening though like I had a a garment that you would put a cell phone chip into for location right and and so but I never used it. It was in my drawer. So I come home one day and I had this girl living with me. She was pregnant, not my kid, but. And so I come and I get sitting out on the couch. And then I pull out the chip, the SIM card that was in it. And it was a different SIM card. Okay. And so yeah, just odd. I don't know. Just really strange things. So coming to find out,

had several people confidential informants on my on my case so um I don't know how many people told you know the FBI what um and so I uh I don't know odd things maybe they're trying to keep track of me my Bluetooth I had a Sony Bluetooth speaker that was I'd come home and it would be on and connected to some other phone or some other Bluetooth and they were friends this girl staying with me was friends with the neighbor next door. So I don't know if the FBI was over there listening to me or trying on the speaker. I don't know. You know, I don't know what kind of tactics they do, but it was just started getting very insane. And then almost 90 days after they put the wards on for the GPS on my car, which I found this out later, but they came and raided me.

And I had bars on my windows. The screen door was a barred screen door. and bars on the windows, and it was right when the sun comes up. That's when they get you. You know, right when the sun comes up and I wake up, I'm sick. I can't see straight. And like, I'm just working on the door. Like, I'll be right there. Oh, in the door door right now.

I'm like, hold on. I got to get so close. I'd be right there. And I had dope all in the house. And, you know, I'm sick because I overslept. And I'm banging. I put on shorts. And I'm like trying to wipe the.

the powdery stuff off the counter and I had a grandma dope and and I couldn't you know had no time to do it I couldn't smoke it or shoot it so I put it in the only other place I could get away with hiding it for a while you know and and so they came and they had that bar that comes through the his long bar trying to pull down the the blinds to see me and and I come out with the pants on a shirt and shoes no socks and they put me on the ground and cuff me. And the girl that was with me, she was there, and they just let her go. You know, just let her go. So I think there was quite a few things going on there, but, you know, people keeping an eye on me to make sure it wasn't running off or that kind of thing. So, but the only thing I like

about all of this is they, they referenced me to James Bond in the, in the new, thing and they call me the golden eye bandit because i wear these silver rim glasses um and uh so so the the news thing i'll send you the clip and uh yeah you just like me a article uh i i i think i sent you the youtube video too and like one of the first text but i'll send it again maybe it well yeah maybe it was a link or something i didn't okay yeah yeah it's a link to the it is abc news there it's b i didn't see it i did it was yeah Yeah, it was a news clip of them talking about you, right? Yeah, it's like, Bond, James Bond.

There's a new Golden Eye in town. Right. Yeah, so they did, yeah, and they had me blasted, golden eyed, all like they put it on that national syndicated news list all over the country and everything. So it was a matter of time before they got me, but, you know, I didn't really care. I didn't care so much. I'm just saying I didn't care so much that I got arrested like I was just done like I've just spent you know like at this point I'm just white you know right you were gonna say so what did they say when they grab you they get you they bring you in the little room the FBI agents come in and sit down yeah so they they take me to some building right across from the main justice center federal justice center there in Phoenix and they're fingerprinting me and they're really tell me they didn't say why I was being arrested and I didn't ask you know which is an obvious sign

of guilt right what are you doing here and um and so he asked me a few questions and then he's lawyered up you know I said I want an attorney he um he asked me about my cell phone number and then he asked me um if I had ever been in this part of town or something like that and I just said you know what I think I should get an attorney and I just lowered up and um so but they were like super nice to me like you know just completely nice um they're walking me over to the federal center they let me have a cigarette and they're like saying don't worry this you know you'll get through this mr martinez just you know you'll be okay and um by this time the you know the the intradose of the heroines kicking in i'm kind of yeah and um they take me right over to the justice center and

I'm sitting in those stainless steel benches, you know, and I'm just falling over on all the people there. They got caught crossing the border and everything else. I mean, I was just out of it. And I got to rain that day and sent straight off to Florence, which is the big prison town, basically. They have state there. They have the core civic for the feds. I think they have a, if you're like a probation violation person, you might have another little area there for, federal and right yeah that started my whole that's started my whole prison experience and so well what

happened what did they offer you i mean did they do you say i'm doing trial i don't know what you're talking about like at what point did that somebody come up and say hey this is why they arrested you this is what you're looking well i realized then it was for the banks after that you know like because then the uh that initial appearance before the judge uh you know they said four counts of bank robbery and um So I had a public defender and, you know, looking over the discovery and, you know, seeing my picture like this up at the camera, you know, like, and, you know, I mean, I knew I was had. So I didn't fight my case. And it took a year to get through the whole process, not even trying to fight my case. Because I figured, you know, everybody, someone there has that big, giant book that says, um, uh, the federal sentencing got that.

Feds or something like that or no, no, no, busted by their feds. Blasted by the feds, that's it. It's like this big. And the two things I got out of it is, one, they win 95 to 98% of their cases. And two, if you take it to the box, you're screwed and you lose, you're screwed. And so, and I had no one else on my case. Like, it wasn't like I could, you know, I mean, I guess I could have snitched on the driver, but what good have that done? You know, I mean, it's like, at this point, I figured out, like, you know, unless you're, I was going to say, and all you've done is hand people a note.

Like, you didn't have a God. So that would have been a problem. No, no weapon at all. And my notes were nice and, you know, polite. And I didn't hand them a harshly worded, it was a harshly worded, uh, no. No, no, it was like, it was like, thank you, you know, it was basically like put the hundreds, 50s and 20s on the counter, remove the band, spread them open. because I didn't want a GPS chip, you know, no GPS, no dipax, thank you, you know. And then the first one I left the note, the other ones I realized I should take the note

because the first one, I remember he pulled it back because they wanted to keep it as evidence for DNA and those kind of things. So the other ones, I took the notes, but they had them, you know, the shot down with the camera camera on them. So it took me, they kept delaying the final sentencing and that type of thing and I'm just like, look, I don't, you know, I don't,

I don't want this to be a problem, but I was a, I had no prior criminal record on anything. Like the, that charges from my kid, you know, being in a juvenile, never showed up. I had I had another incident when I was in Cleveland where I,

my wife worked for a bank and we had split up and I was, we had two separate bank accounts so i was depositing money here and withdrawing it over here and back and forth and back and forth the next thing you know you're about six grand overdrawn right and yeah so i had three felony charges on that and i ended up getting a attempting to pass a bad check misdemeanor out of you know paid the money back paid the money back released that day no probation um attempting to pass a bad check misdemeanor and that was it right so they didn't do anything with that on my criminal history and so I basically had nothing on my

criminal history but I was still a 38 on the list because I had I think bank robbery is like a 32 or 34 something like that just with or without a gun the gun is just an enhancement and then but they counted each one each bank was another one point enhancement from the first my first check my my first charge was actually for forgery a buddy of mine who was letting me stay with him was getting evicted. He was working at a job site, stole some checks from the owner. And me not being, having a criminal mindset, thinks to myself, well, if he writes the check to me and I sign it and bring it to the bank and they give me cash for it, I'm not committing forgery because I didn't actually write that stuff on the check. So I go cash two of these checks. One was for like $3.80, which I

kept $60 of and gave the rest of my buddy so he could put towards rent. And then once that one worked, we went big on the next one with $1,500. And I gave him like nine. He got caught up on rent and everything. And a couple weeks after that, the cops are looking for me. They want to talk to me about it. And now I'm getting investigated for other stupid things. There was like an attempted burglary.

And then it all culminates at the end of the summer when I, physically reach my hand in a woman's pocket and take $200. She went to the cops and said, I robbed her. I told the cops, yeah, I took the money out of her pocket, but that's because she owed me $200 and wasn't trying to give it to me. Turns out that's confession for robbery. Right. The moment you volunteer that you physically took money from somebody

that was trying to stop you, it doesn't matter if they owe you money or not, you've committed a robbery. So what we started doing was robbing drug dealers. Of course. I mean, of course, that's a given. Yeah. It's New England. You know, so, I mean, there's a lot of guns up here, but we don't have nearly the shootings that you guys got down south. You know, I don't know what it is about down south and shooting versus up here in shootings. There's just not that many shootings. So, me and my buddies are doing home invasions on drug dealers with, like, baseball bats and two by fours and stuff. you know because how are you finding the how are you finding the drug dealers like how do you know

this is a guy you we would oh we always used inside information so like if we're from laconia me and a couple of my buddies from laconia would go to clermont new hampshire and our buddies in claremont would tell us who sold drugs in the area we'd go rob all them they'd come up to laconia we'd tell them who sells drugs they'd rob all them so we would That's how we were just doing it. We would go to areas where nobody knew us, but we knew a couple people that knew everyone. And that was our end to figure out who we needed to rob.

You know? Like, I remember one time, we got this one, this is a funny one. We get this safe, right? And my co-defendant in the bank robbery case calls me up, and he goes, hey, I'm at this. mechanics place, I'm about to go in and grab this safe. Can I bring it over to Johnny's house and we can crack it over there? And I'm like, yeah, sure, no problem. Let me run home real quick

and get some tools. Is this like in the middle of the day? No, this is the middle of the night. Okay. So he goes in and gets the safe, brings it over. I get back with the tools. It takes all of two seconds to break it open. It was one of those big white. It's white and plastic on the outsides. It's like one of the fire safes. It's got like concrete and stuff on the inside. Yeah. Real cheap, real easy to just pop open apparently. Well, the funny

thing was, is when we go to get rid of it, we wrap it in a bed sheet, and we put it in the car, and then we go to this the thing the train drives over. I can't remember it for the life of me. A bridge that a train drives over. A trellis. And we walk up on the train tracks and we're doing one two three and we throw it into the river turns out that uh that type of

safe floats it won't sink the door was open and everything we're watching it float right down the river but um once we ran out of drug dealers uh that's when i started looking at banks and i'm like well they keep money right there why don't we just go in there and i'm using some of the I learned from being in prison, which is they got a top drawer. They got a bottom drawer. Bottom drawers is where most of the bills are. If you tell them not to do something, they're instructed and trained to listen to you. Their job is to get out of the, get you out of the bank as quickly as possible and ensure the safety of the people that are in the bank.

Right. So I knew I didn't need a gun. I knew I could do it with a note. And I knew that if I went about doing it the way I wanted to do it, I didn't. be in and out of a bank in 20 seconds. I'm just grabbing the money from one or two drawers. I'm in and out. And that's what I started doing.

And next thing I'm own, we're running through 15 grand in a couple days. It's amazing how quickly you just pissed through money when it's free. You know, it's like when you're actually working for money, which I found, I didn't find this out until I got out of prison this last time. But like when you actually work for money,

you're more inclined to think about what you're going to spend it on, rather than just buy whatever you see in front of you because you're just going to go steal some more money. Right. So the bank robbery that we got arrested for, the day before the bank robbery, we had gotten off the highway and we're at a gas station

and we're outside smoking a cigarette. And my co-defendant points out a little strip mall, it's behind the gas station and then probably six feet down. There's like a little hill, so it's kind of like you can't really see it that well from the gas station. And I look over and there's a bank there. I think it was the first national bank of, the first bank of New England or something like that. New England National, I can't remember. Something New England was in there.

And I go, you know what? That's a good one. We could hit that one first thing tomorrow morning. And he's like, yeah, that's a good idea. So we wind up splitting up. We connect later that day. and he sends me over to this prostitute's house. There was this, literally this building in Manchester, New Hampshire,

that everyone in the building was a prostitute. They all had their own apartments, but that's where we would go to hang out. Prostitutes have never been my thing. So it was just an easy place to just kind of stay out of the way. So I stayed hanging out with one of these prostitutes all night, literally just hanging out doing absolutely nothing else and he went to see his girlfriend he comes and picks me up first thing in the morning it's like six o'clock in the morning and this was

one of those days where like everything that could go wrong goes wrong we get back to his house have a bowl of cereal next thing you know we both fall asleep we've been up for days we both pass out wake up it's like 3.30 in the afternoon i go on to wake my coat offending up i'm shaking him and everything and he's he's dope sick he is so dope sick and i'm like he he ain't going to be able to drive the getaway car right what the fuck so i just go and get in the shower and i'm trying to figure out what we're going to do because he needs to be not dope sick before we can go rob bank and i'm not dope sick i've never been strung out on heroin in my life I've done plenty of heroin.

I've just never developed a habit for it. The first time I really abused it, I had enough minor withdrawal symptoms that I decided I was never going to put myself in that situation again. So my co-defendant goes, comes running into the bathroom and he goes, come on, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go.

Guato just called, we can go pick up. Guato was our dealer, who we had actually robbed a few days before that. We had robbed them, And then we went and robbed a bank, and my co-defendant's like, what are we going to do? We can't go get drugs now. I'm like, yeah, we can. Go pay him the money we ripped him off for and give him like an extra $500 for the headache.

We did that. He started fronting us dope after that. So I get out of the shower. We drive down to Lawrence, Massachusetts. And the next thing you know, we're copping, like, I think we picked up like five grams of heroin. and we immediately do some heroin. I do some just because he's doing some. And we wind up getting so high,

we have to go back and get some cocaine. Well, now we need to balance out so we can go do this robbery. We go back, get some cocaine. Now we're doing some cocaine on the way to the bank. We get to the bank. It's in Wyndham, New Hampshire. And right across the street from the bank

is a restaurant. And there's trees in front of the, so you can't see. the restaurant's parking lot from the road. I tell my co-defendant to pull in there. He pulls in there. I go, stay right here. I'll be right back. I get out of the car, start walking away. As soon as I start walking away, he starts the car and pulls it out of the parking spot. I turn around, jump back in the car. Now I'm yelling at. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? He's too high now. That's the problem. When he gets too high, he can't function. He starts

talking to himself, he just gets weird and unpredictable. Right. Unreliable. Exactly. He pulls out of the parking lot and now he's on the road. As soon as he gets past the strip mall and I can't see the bank, I yell at him to pull the car over. He pulls the car over

and I look him right in the eye. I go, don't fucking move from this fucking spot. I'll be right fucking back. You're about to come out of that bank with a bag of money and no getaway car. Right. You know, like, it's not a secret, what we're there for. I don't know why he got out of the parking spot.

So I start walking towards the bank. I walk in, I go, as I go to open the front door of the bank, a woman's leaving the bank. And I go walking up to the person at the desk, and I go to hand her the note. And I see immediately, she does what everybody does. She gets flustered. So I start snapping my fingers. Let's go, let's go, let's go. give me all the money in the top and bottom drawer let's go let's go let's go let's go and the woman

next to her i look at her and i go you can give me all your money too so they're getting all their money together well what had happened was as i was leaving the as i was entering the bank the woman that was leaving the bank the door was still open she heard me let's go give me all the money she heard that right before the door closed finally as she was in the little foyer area to go out the other bank and exit. So she's on the phone to 911 while she's in the parking lot, leaving the parking lot, telling them there's a bank robbery going up. If I had waited a split second, she never would have been in the parking lot on the phone.

She wouldn't have heard me start robbing the bank. I'm leaving the bank with the money and I'm walking down the sidewalk past the other stores and I get in the getaway car and now we drive away. We're driving in the wrong direction. We want to be in the other direction, but because he got out of the parking spot, we're no longer able to just pull out and take a right leaving the restaurant

to get towards the highway. We're kind of stuck going in the direction we're pointed. Well, she also sees the getaway car, the description of the car, gets the plate number and all that because she's on the phone with 911 and he parked where he parked instead of parking somewhere else.

So now they immediately know what car they're looking for. this road takes us all the way around town in a very slow way so we finally circle underneath the highway we come back around from the other side and traffic starts slowing down and as traffic starts slowing down we see that there's a cop doing um uh traffic control he looks at the car looks at the license plate looks at me looks at my co-defendant and goes out in front of the car like this like stop my co-defendant hits the breakdown lane and takes off we're in a dodge avenger it's probably like a 98 something like that but it was a v6 coop so it would get up and go when you wanted it to this cop stops the vehicle behind them behind us gets in the passenger seat and does one of those

right out of the movies follow that car the cops are on the other side of the highway and literally they're probably two football fields from the entrance to the highway and they're all there already because they've been robbed and it's been a minute since it took us to circumvent this town to get back to the entrance.

So now we're on 95 north. No, we're on 93 north in New Hampshire and it's rush hour on a Friday afternoon. And we're in the breakdown lane. I'm throwing the clothes I'm wearing out the window over the railing.

the few money bans we have. I'm throwing them out the window. Now I'm looking at the money, and we really didn't get shit either. If we had hit the bank first thing in the morning, we would have got $15,000 out of that register. Because we both fell asleep, it was like $850.

It was just all bad. So we're getting to the next exit, which is like, I think it's like the Londonderry exit, exit four, and traffic is at a standstill. Except for us. and I know that they're about to spit us off the exit because we're in the breakdown lane we have to get off the exit because of where we're at

on the highway. He's like, what are we going to do? I'm like, we got to get to 93 south. We got to get going south and going to Massachusetts. They can't cross state lines. I know this because I had just watched the movie Public Enemies, which became my favorite movie of all time with Johnny Depp. where they couldn't cross state lines back then. I was going to say that sounds like something you saw like, you know,

it's definitely something that one of like one of your stoner buddies tells you, listen, bro, we can go drive over the state line. They can't follow us. Right. Yeah. And then you base your entire several decisions that carry over the rest of your life on the fact that your stoner buddies said he. I know what I'm doing.

Oh, well. Trust me. All right, trust me. Everyone's famous last words, trust me. You have a vast experience in, you know, like being a bricklayer or, you know, working at a convenience store. And that's your experience based on this law that doesn't exist. So what happens? They call ahead.

They're waiting for you. Well, I know they're going to be waiting when we get off the exit. So we hit the emergency crossover right before. for the exit and right as we're trying to maneuver in between vehicles they try to box us in we spin out we go around them over the crossover now we're heading south there's no traffic heading south you know nobody's heading back to massachusetts after working in new hampshire all week so we wind up hitting 93 south our plan is to go into massachusetts it's only a couple exits away like three exits away all of a sudden traffic starts slowing down slowing down

we hit over into the breakdown lane we're doing like at least 115 120 all of a sudden we see the stopsticks get thrown out in front of the car oh my co-defendant just at this speed you cannot make a conscious decision to do anything other than how your body reacts when you see stopsticks get thrown in front of you at 120 and he swerves around him it takes out the right tires on the right side of the vehicle and it also the left tires run

over the foot of the police officer that was deploying the stopsticks because he got the string on the stopsticks stuck in his boot and he was trying to untangle it it ripped his boot off sent his boot flying across the highway because of where they

found the boot. They actually wrote the crash report up to make it sound like we crossed two lanes of traffic and went out of our way to run this cop over. It was just, that's how far the boot flew when it ripped the boot off when a boot got ripped off of his foot. So now we have two tires and all you can hear is, which is the wheels grinding into the pavement. And there's rubber lying up over the hood, blue smoke everywhere from burnt rubber. It's a mess and my co-defendants like flipping out he throws me a gram of coke and he goes mix it now i'm mixing shots of coke while we're in the middle of a high-speed chase and are you still thinking you're going to get in away with it if you get over the state line that that's still in my mind

because we haven't actually made it over the state line yet so um oh the stopsticks also took out a cruiser the very next cruiser behind us so they one of the cruisers was out of the race They drive deploying stopsticks again right before we get to the state line, and we swerve around them. I don't know how because I had to hold the wheel for my co-defendant while he shot up, and we had no traction at all. I don't know how he managed to keep us on the road as long as he did with two tires, but he did. So next thing you know, we go around another set of stopsticks, takes out another cruiser behind us. we get a couple exits into Massachusetts and finally

my co-defendant as soon as we get over the state line he looks behind us he goes they're still following us what do I do what do I'm crazy yeah I'm like they're not supposed I didn't know about the hot pursuit law where they can just radio ahead and be like yeah we're in hot pursuit we're coming in did did you ever see Smokey and the Bandit

no see that's the problem i saw smoking the bandit and i knew that during a pursuit they can actually follow you through multiple jurisdictions but see i saw smoking in the bandit you didn't and that changed everything right all i saw i saw public enemies and their laws predate smoking the bandit that's why yeah that's exactly so we get off um in drake at massachusetts is when we decide to get off the highway and i don't know i'm still don't know how we got off the highway because it was one lane and there was a lot of backed up traffic like somehow we managed to get up on the side and go around some vehicles and now we're

on the double yellow and we're driving cars off both sides of the road because we're trying to outrun the cops and it gets so dangerous the cops actually stopped following us and when we realized they stopped following us by co-defendants like what are we going to do them like we need to stop another vehicle and hijack their car yeah car jacked That is the way to go. Absolutely. That's the way to go in this situation. We need a new car.

We need to get away. He's like, well, what do I do? I go hit somebody in the rear quarter panel. It's going to slow us down because we don't have breaks because we're missing two tires. And it's also going to make them pull over. We do that. He happens to hit the one car that has a car load of Dominican and Puerto Rican dudes in it. Like, I jump out of the airbag hits me in the face.

I jump out of the car. I start running towards the car. car, we're going to carjack, four people get out. I immediately don't even break, don't even miss a beat. Now I run towards the right. I'm going to hit the guardrail and hop in the river, swim across the river, the Merrimack River, which is like the biggest river up there.

And that's how I'm going to get away. They come right around the corner and tackle me. What? Do you still have the $800? Oh, I missed that part. So I took half the money, right? Right. And gave it to my co-defendant.

And I took the other half and I rolled it up in a tube, in a tube about this big, right? And I tucked it in between my butt cheeks is what I did with it. And it stayed there rather well, for a while at least. And that'll come up later. So then, so I'm right before the guardrail. The cops are still following us, so I find out, but they had slowed down. And they come around the corner, they see me, they jump out of the vehicle, tackle me, they're punching me in the back of the head.

What's your name? Fuck you. Boom, boom, boom, boom. What's your name? Fuck your mother. Boom, boom, boom. They get me all cuffed up. I don't know what's going on in my co-defendant.

I found out that he got out of the car and ran in the opposite direction of the car we were supposed to carjack. I still don't know why to this day. They actually tackled, they didn't tackle him. They tased him in the river for 26 seconds. It was on the taser report. One of the cops that was

wrestling with him in the river after the words lost his gun and his flashlight in the river. They finally get us in the back of cruisers. They read me my rights and I'm like, yeah, I think I'll take the lawyer. They read him

his rights and they go, we just want to know who's driving the car. He goes, I don't know what car you're talking about. So they get us to the state trooper barracks in North Andover, Mass. And as we're walking up the stairs, I go looking at my co-defendant. And he is, he was 200 pounds, six foot two when he got out of prison four months earlier. He was about 150 pounds. Now, he was strung out when I got out a month after. him and he's soaking wet and he just has this look of devastation on his face and I go

hey pick and he goes looking at me as well I go hey man I don't know about you but I had fun today and I'm doing it mainly I'm doing it for his sound his peace of mind but I'm also doing it for the cops because at this point in my life I hate the police kill the cops I hope they all die blah blah blah you know it doesn't matter that they're the ones that are out here protecting your family while you're sitting your ass in prison because of the choices you made. Right. So, I'm getting booked, and this detective comes walking in, and it's obvious to me that he's a detective. And he goes walking out back to the holding cells, and I hear him screaming, he goes, you either robbed a bank or you drove the car, which is it? And at this point, I realized,

well, this is where I'm going to find out if my co-defendant's going to be solid and tell on me or not. cop comes walking out 30 seconds later pissed they bring me out to the holding cells bring him out to book him i'm still cuffed up so i'm sitting on the floor of the holding cell with cuffs behind me and this guy who's obviously a detective he has his badge on his belt comes walking in same guy goes walking in he goes uh you either robbed the bank or you drove the car which is and i go are you my lawyer he's like i'm not your lawyer i'm like well i ask for a lawyer He goes, you either robbed the bank or you drove the car, which is it?

And I go, lawyer. He goes, do you know how much time you're looking at? You're looking at three Class A felonies. That's 21 years in prison. And I go, apparently you can't do math retard. That's 22 and a half years in prison. Go ahead, run that concurrent with the prison sentence I'm going to do already. Fuck you.

And he storms off. We get brought to the. the county jail. First thing they do is strip me out. That's when the money comes back up. They literally, they're doing the, all right, bend over, cough. I do that real quick and spend, hold on, hold on. What's that?

Just money. You know, like, and I say it, like, it's the most natural, like, everyone keeps money there. Why wouldn't there be money tucked in between my ass cheeks? and um they take me they put me on drug watch now so they put me on drug watch okay so now i got a shit and this is something they do in prison when they think you might have drugs inside of you right they will put you in a room with nothing but a toilet with a trash bag over it to collect your waste or they'll bring you a bucket to defecate in for when you say you finally need to go so they kept me there for a few days until i finally went to the bathroom and then they let me

out into the shoe we go to court on monday by now they've literally just thrown me in a cell and left me there haven't said anything to me wouldn't even give me toilet paper that type of thing you know they're like oh they tried to kill a cop fuck man that's that's the type of treatment you get my co-defendant's super dope sick so he spends his whole time in medical they take us to court monday and the first lawyer that comes down and talks to us, says, listen, if you waive extradition, they're going to take you back to New Hampshire today. And I'm like, all right, let's go.

We get up to the courthouse. We waive extradition. They immediately take us into custody and take us to New Hampshire where they book us at the police station and Iranis at court, $400,000 cash-only bail. The next day they take us

back to the state prison. Because of the notoriety, they take my co-defendant directly to shoe. My charge is criminal liability for the conduct of another for attempted second-degree murder on a police officer. It's a very long charge. So it only shows up as criminal liability as a pending charge, which doesn't sound bad at all, but when you read the whole thing,

you realize you're looking at just as much time as the guy that was arrested for attempted murder on a police officer. Right. And I need to be near my co-defendant. We have to talk, obviously. We need to get our story straight so we could try to figure out how we can salvage this. Not to mention how many other cases might be coming down from all the other crap we've done in the last 90 days. But, you know, this is the worst one that we got in front of us. Let's just deal with this one. So I go out of my way to pick a fight with the first person that, just looks at me wrong.

And I get in the fight, I go to Shoe. Now I'm in Shoe. Well, they won't let me anywhere near him. Won't let us in the same wing, so he's above me or I'm below him. And that's where they kept us until they wound up indicting us. We went to the federal courthouse, and that was the last time I actually was in the same room as him.

I put a plan together. I got up a few guys that I knew. And I said, you know what? I want to go back and hit that door. I want to hit that store. I want to go and do woo-woo, and this is what we're going to do. I know everything to lay out, inside and out. So we got everything we need, all the necessary material, all the equipment that it was going to take to pull it off.

And that morning, which was like on a Friday, I wanted to hit it when I thought they had the most money inside the customer service and the most money inside of the safe. So I had set up a plan for one guy to go over to the produce area because I know there was a phone in there and I know I didn't want anyone getting to that phone and one guy watched the door and one guy went up to the customer service with me. So we went achieving my goal. I went inside

approximately like 9, 30, 10 o'clock in the morning when I know it wouldn't be that busy but everything would be on hand. I successfully pulled it off, made it back. I think we probably got like

15,000, 17,000 or something from that that heist. So I I divided that money up amongst us. I think it was four people.

I divided that money up and I went about my business. So once that money was spent, I say, you know what? We're going to go do the other one. So I got my guys together and we decided we're going to go do the other one. And I went to the one on Hillsboro and Armenia and I also did that one. The craziest thing about this one was that, I took every coin that was in the safe. I took all the bills.

It was like, I'll say like $600, $700 and ones. There was like $500 in quarters, a couple hundred dollars in dimes, nickels and pennies. But the reason why I say that, because on the way out, I had so much weight inside the duffer bag, It was hard for me to get it on my shoulder to try to get it out of the door. So one of the guys was trying to help me. I had a bag boy trying to intervene, trying to stop us or something. But my guy, you know, did what he had to do to keep him from intervening. And by the time I made it to the car, got the bag in there, made it to the second car.

It was a wrap. but as time as time went from there I did end-in-not jobs I worked at car dealerships I worked at Ed Morris Cadillade probably from the year from 90, 91, 92, 93

I started my bank robbery career around 93-94 and I got in net just simply by my brother-in-law knew a guy who wanted to rob a bank. Now,

I, you know, growing up as a kid, you hear people, them, oh, yeah, I want to rob a bank, man. I don't know if you got rob a bank. You got to rob a bank. And I was like, damn, robbing the bank. If you were robbed a bank, you'd be a millionaire, man. You know, that's the mentality you had growing up as a kid, as a young adult.

So my brother-in-law, my brother-in-law came to me one day. He was like, hey, man, check this. I know this guy, man. This white guy, he wanted to rob a bank. You know, he's looking for somebody. He knows an easy lick. I was like, yeah. Bring him to me.

I want to know. I want to meet him. Bring him over here. So, like, two days later, he brought the guy over, you know. We sat and talked for a minute. He told me about the bank, you know. I said, I want to see it, take me to it. So he took me to the bank.

I was trying to see what the people were doing because it looked like they had to be buzzed in. I was like, they got to be buzzed in. The first bank I did was the one on Hillsboro and Hibana. I think it was Florida Bank or something similar to that. It wasn't a big name brand bank or big branch. It was just like an independent, a small bank. But anyway, you had to be buzzed to get in. I was like, man, look, I don't want to do no bank.

You got to be buzz to get in. What about you? You got to be buzz to get out. He's like, no, no, no, already been in. You don't have to worry about that. Once you get in, you're like, are you serious? He's like, yeah, bro, man, it's going to be easy, man. I was like, fuck it, let's do it.

So it's like, I'm going to get the cars and everything. And then, whoa. I was like, I get the scraps and I get everything. You know, we're going to handle the, so we picked the day, which was going to be on a Friday. And we picked that day because we felt like that's the day that the most money would be in the bank, in the tellers, because Friday is normally check-cashing day. So we, you know, we felt like that would be the best day to do it. So I picked him up around 10, 1030 or so. I wanted to make sure I'm around there hitting the bank around like right before lunchtime

when I feel like people was going to come and be doing their thing and getting the check cash and it was going to be the most amount of money and the tellers at that time. So I picked him up. We go get our first vehicle, you know, a stolen vehicle that he used a screwdriver to get. I think it was a Mustang 5.0. It was. it was a Mustang 5.0 with like a halacious engine

and it was all souped up and everything. So we go get in the first car and our second car was a Nissan Maximum that I had and we had got from Nissan or Tampa we had keys to it and everything so we had parked that behind the published because it was in like a public

shopping center and the bank set up on the corner of Hillsboro and Havana. So we're on our way heading west on Hillsboro right before Armenia. I got me, my other guy, and the person who

originally wanted to do the bank and sitting in the car with me. So when we pull up the Hillbara and Armenia, this guy, we already ready. We got the glad clothes on. We got the mad. We got the scrabbs. We got the We got the bag. We're ready.

We're trying to get down. Soon we pull up the hills, Berlin, and me, this guy tells me, he starts crying. He starts crying. He starts crying. No, Rob, man. I can't do this, man. I can't do it, man. No, I'm on probation. I'm on probation with the fed. I can't do this, man. I said, Dana, what's that happening? What you? What's up?

What's you want to do? He's like, man, whatever, Rob, raw, whatever you want to do, I'm going to do. I say, fuck it, come on. I pull it over to him. There was a little crystals hamburger right down the corner, like a million hills, bro. There's a crystal.

So I pulled into there. I dropped him off. Bam. I say, just wait right here, man. We're going to do that. So me and Dana, Dana jumped up in the front seat with me. We pulled out of crystal.

We pull up to the bank. So when we pull up to the bank, We got dark tinted windows on the Mustang, so we're sitting out front. And we're waiting to try to get in because I know you have to be buzzed in. So I say, Dana, you see these two old people right here? Soon as if they get that door open, when they go, they buzz in, he's going to hold the door open. We're going in. Bam.

He said, all right, so we're waiting for people. They're walking real slow. They walked up there. Soon as they pulled the door open, they go in, me and Dana out of the car. Bam, the first one in the door behind the people. Dana pushed them on the end. he stood at the door, I'm over the counter, bam, I'm eating all the table. Now check it.

This is my first bank. It happened so fast, but in slow motion that I can almost remember everything that happened. I can remember Dana standing by the door. There was a little kid trying to run out of the door. He kept him from running out of the door. I can remember even though I'm at the towel is pulling all the tellers, even at the drive-thru, I can remember. the bank manager walking through with just like with a graceful walk just saying just give them

whatever they want don't do anything whatever they want just do whatever they say so i'm still handling my being the doing the one i'm supposed to do and dana like let's go let's go boom i jump back across the counter boom we got i jumped in the car went around the back of public where i had the second be who at bam see the reason why i i parted the car behind public because i wanted to get them a sense that I was driving down Hibana because they're going to see me coming out driving down Hibana heading south but I dipped behind the public

jumped into my second vehicle and came out on Hillsboro and proceeded to go down Hillsborough heading east so I'm going to have all the polio they went that way I'm having them looking that away when Ashley I'm in the second vehicle in a totally different car, a totally different color

heading in the opposite direction so anyway Greg had a ride He met me back at my house. We counted up the money that we had. And Greg was like, man, I can't believe it. Man, you did it. Man, I can't believe.

Man, I can't believe it. So this is the guy who started crying at the red light on me who didn't want to do it. Even though he didn't participate, I still broke him off. I think I got like $8,700. $8,700. out of the first one very disappointing to me but nevertheless i think i gave him like 500 600 bucks just for being there and plus i wanted to make him a part of it even though he didn't participate i wanted to make him a part of it that way he don't run his mouth he don't tell even though

that was going to happen anyway after that i'm like damn my people were like, man, that was easy, man. We're going to have to do another one. So I waited approximately, like, maybe like three, four months, and we scouted out to do another one. My very second one, I did off I-4, I mean, four-st-street exit off of Gandhi in St. Pete. Man, really nice.

I think I grossed like 47,000. I took like 47,000 out of there somewhere around there, 35,000, 47,000. It was all the same to me. That particular one there, we were just, I just wanted to do something away from Tampa because it was already hot from the one before. So I decided I'm going to go across the bridge. We went across the bridge. seen it right there was a nice location it was right all for gandy and i um four street

jumped back on gandy doing my little thing nice so we got all the all the material everything all the tools we needed to pull the job all two cars whatever went over there and um we did it it was really easy now this particular bank right here what i can what i can remember that really outstanding to me is that in the process of me grabbing all the money and getting the tellers, hitting the tellers, I can remember there was about three or four college kids who was standing in line waiting to see the teller. And I can just remember them saying, oh, fucking right, all right, go, go, go. Yeah, buddy, go, go, go. And I was like, damn. So anyway, I hit him, which was a pretty good, pretty good, like, I think I got somewhere between like 37,000, 40,000 or something like that out of there.

And made it to the second car, came back across the bridge, crossed Gandy, and came to the house and divided them among the guys who I was with. And they went their separate ways. Now, I, I, it wasn't like. it was something planned it wasn't like that I wanted to make this a thing or I wanted to be a bank robbery

or do banks all my life it was just something that happened out of the blue it was just something that I had been doing other things that wasn't really paying off I mean my brother-in-law once he's like hey man

I know this guy got like 10 pounds of weed He got like $20,000 in his house And boom You know I know I seen it in there last night Or I seen in there last week or whatever I'm like man you sure man

So I used to do little things like that And it wasn't paying up When I got there man I'll tear the fucking house up Do whatever I had to do to try to find It wasn't there So I had to end up Fucking getting steaks out of the fridge

or fucking lobsters or brand new Jordans or Nikes or something just to make up for the time that I was spent trying to find this money, which wasn't there. So I just got tired and I said to myself, man, you know what? I'm putting my life in freedom and jeopardy. Going to all these places ain't paying out. I need to do something that I know it's going to be money. It's there.

That's their job to have it there. And that was decided That was what made me decide to If I'm going to do something I got to do it where's that If I'm going to take this risk I got to make sure it's worth it So that's why I was like

You know I'm not messing with no more These petty drug deal with these bish that don't got shit I'm going to go right where the money's at So I had did that for a while And End up by my my fifth my fifth bank I wanted to do something big I wanted I wanted I wanted I wanted to like not take over the bank because I still was on the time limit but I wanted to get the most and this was the first time I ever used two people two guys to go over the counter it always was me because I know what I'm looking for I'm moving rapidly I don't want no problem so I always was the one to get the money, but this time I wanted to use two because I felt like I'm going to get double the amount.

So I scoped out this one bank. It was like on Line Ball and Anderson Road or somewhere down there. I think it was like Bank of America. No, whatever it was. It doesn't matter. So I felt like it was a pretty good apartment complex set across the world. road. I can put my second car there. I can make it look like I'm going this way. I can I could pretty much do the same thing and give them the illusion that I'm heading in one

direction when I'm going to the other one. So I got my crew together. We got all the vehicles and things that we was going to need to be able to pull it all successfully. And we headed that away. So when we got there, pull up in the driveway and the parking. And right in front of the bank, we was in a minivan. And the reason why, I started using minivans because it's easy for you to be able to change your clothes, stand up in the back of it, change your clothes, and do what you have to do without being seen, sliding door, easy access to get out. You have multiple people, so it was easy to start trying to climb across seats and cars, so we always use minivans for our first vehicle. So when we pulled up to this bank, which was like approximately like 9.30 in the morning, it was really nice. So when I pulled up to the front of the bank and decided this was the time to go in, I was the first person through the door on the counter.

When I jumped over on top of the counter, there was money scattered all over the counter. and what I figured and I found out is that Wells Fargo had just made a drop off at that bank and the ladies was counting the bills and they had it all on the counter laid out so on top of the counter I'm on the counter with my bag just getting all the bills off the counter so I had another person also with me getting money while I had the other two people holding people at bay we get in the money we get in the money we get in the money this guy's getting the money. I jumped down because I got all the everything out of the count off the top of the counter. Now I'm hitting the drawers. We get in the money. We're getting the money. Boom.

My guy says it's time to go. We jumped over it back across the counter to head out, to proceed outside the bank. And when we got back in the van, I'm the driver, always the driver. I pulled to exit from the bank on to Anderson. I was heading south. So I was making a right on the Anderson and I was going to make a really quick once I made that bend. I did the view from the bank. They couldn't see me once I made that bin. I was going to dip into the apartment complex real quick and change it to my second car. Soon as we pulled outside the bank, the guy who went across the counter with me was sitting in the front seat.

As soon as I went to make that turn, I just seen inside of the car. He had took a wad of 20s, which was approximately like $2,000 or not. mistake in 2,000 or 5,000 something like that. He took a while of 20s that had a die pack in it and he shoved it in his pan. He was trying to cup me. He was trying to keep still from

us. He was just trying to get that for it. But literally that he knew that that was a die pack. It blew up in his pants and he was over there sitting while I'm driving trying to get away from the bank. We just robbed his vein. This guy's sitting there like, oh, what is

fuck? Look what I was. I'm like, what the fuck. I was like, pull it out, pull it out. And he had a bunch of burned up 20s and smoke coming out. I said, he threw it out the window. So he rolled the window down. He threw it out the winter. I was like, damn, what happened? How'd that fuck that happened? And he was like, man, I just grabbed it out. I just put it there because of my bag had filled and I just put it in my band, put it right down. I was like, oh, don't worry about it. Okay, that's right. We went to the second behavior. I'm thinking, I was like, this motherfucker was trying to cuff a whole stack of 20s. And the shit blew up in his pan. And the first thing I told him was,

watch out for the 20s, especially the ones over to the far left. Most time it's going to be a die pack. And he grabbed it, not paying attention, and it blew up in his pants. But anyway, we got out at which was a nice day because it was, it was, it was, you know, a substantial amount of money that was laying on the counter. So I probably ended up with like 50, 60 grand from there. Went back to our house, hired out, and divided it amongst, the four people who participated in the bank robbery.

So as time went, you know, I had enough money for that, for a period, for a long period of time that I wasn't really worried about doing anything for a minute. And, you know, I was just chilling out, just doing my little thing, selling a couple of little sacks of weed here and there, and just trying to stay out of the way, stay out of trouble. and one day maybe like I don't know

six seven months I had someone come up to me and he said hey man I know these guys who want to rob the armored car and I was like

man shit an armor car I was like I ain't really interested in doing the armored car until he told me man the guy works on the car he's just going to be real easy

He works for the company. He's like, for real? Oh, shit. Okay, I want to talk to him. Let me talk to him. So he brought him over. And it was like a Jamaican guy who works for Wells Fargo. I think when he brought him over,

the guy even had the Wells Farrow uniform on us. Something like that nature. I remember seeing a Wells Fargo uniform. But anyway, he was like, yeah, man, you know. He's driving a brand new Porsche. he had been taking little individual packs of money from other carts throwing in

and his carts when he had to go to Wells Farger I guess I can't remember what the setup but he would tell me some shit like when he had to get his cart sometimes you know it's not watching the way you know you're angle yourself

you can slide a pack of money or off for one of the bins and put it in yours and you just got to remember which one it is and he used to like take the cart lower up his truck and he put to the side the one he took from somebody else's bin and then when he go to make

his drops and stuff he'd get to like a public store or some type of grocery store or a convenience store he'll go in the bathroom and hide it and into the garbage bag called his brother up and have his brother

hey man you got to get over there real quick and get this money I just put $50 thousand dollars cash inside the bathroom inside public's bathroom i'm like why are you serious used to do that he had did it like three or four times so that's how he bought the porch so anyway i said yeah man tell me about the lake so he told him about the day yeah yeah yeah it's going to be easy it's like about you would get it like 250,000000 all right then i want to see it. So the following day, he came, scoop me up, picked me up, and we decided to go and check out this lick. So this lick was over in St. Pete. Now, they had took an old bank and

converted it into something they called the Money Store. And this is a building that used to be a bank, and all the armored car drivers, that's where they pull money from to take to other banks or other facilities and stuff so that's why they call it the money store because that's the only thing they did was house money and and load up armored cars to deliver money to other facilities so he took me over there I'm looking I'm looking I'm looking I'm looking I'm like okay yeah I go I see the guy come out with the money so I see him throwing it in the back of the armor car so I'm like okay well what we do I will pull up from the side, catch him from the side

when he got his back to me. So as I'm watching, seeing it from a distance, I'm putting my thoughts together, my plan together, how would I pull it off? Always going to be two cars, going to be this, it's going to be that, I need this, need that.

So I was like, yeah, man, we can do it. So we went by head back to Tampa and we decided we were going to do it. so we um we meet up like two days later we meet up like two days later we have everything we need we got the minivan we got the second vehicle i think it was even a third we had even a third vehicle um i even had a particular group of people watching me specifically that if anything happened to me if I have to get on the run that they're going to meet me

somewhere they're going to follow me or meet me at a distance and they're going to scoop me up I had I always had my own safety net if anything ever happened they're watching from a distance they can scoop me up take me out of harm's way so we got everybody in place we pull up we sit in our spot we see the armored car pull up. I got a bulletproof vest on, gloves, ski mask, hoodie, everything. He got the same on. He's got a bulletproof vest. We have a driver. We in the minivan. We've seen the armor car pull up to the money store. The messenger. The messenger is a guy who he's in the back. He does all the moving, moving the money, go in the store. He's the messenger. And also the truck have a

driver. The driver is the person that drives. He only drives. He only drives. He does. He He cannot open the door, get out of the van. But he has, he has portholes that he's capable and able to be able to shoot from. So once the messenger got the doors open to the truck, he went inside the money store and came back out with a big, like, laundry bin full of money. We pull up to the side. And when we pull up to the side, I was the first person out of the minivan. I opened up the door.

I had a 44 red Desert Eagle Red Hawk Desert Eagle some shit and when I came out the minivan

the messenger seen me left all the money right there and ran to the front of the truck I went to the rear of the truck

stood right here just to see where he went I turned back around to start grabbing the money to throw into the minivan my guy he stood at the back of the

truck watching the messenger at the front of the truck. So when I went to grab the money to throw in the back of the truck, it slipped because of the gloves. It was saran wrapped money in a square about this big right here, saran wrapped together with, I think it was in some kind of cloth material wrapped first, and then it was wrapped with plastic. So when I went to try to grab it having the gun right here the money slipped out my hand that's when the messenger started shooting at my guy so they started exchanging gunfire

back and forth so I went down to try to grab the money again and it was so freaking heavy I couldn't get it to throw it in the minivan the driver started shooting at me I grabbed my I grabbed my 44 and I upped it

into the back of the truck where the driver was and now granted we have a truck I don't know maybe what 10 feet

10 feet long 9 10 feet long I'm not sure how long the truck is but I know personally that the driver was no more than like 7

6 7 feet from me sitting in the back of the truck I'm standing in the center of the the back of the truck where the door is open. He has two portholes that he can shoot out of. I am standing there. When I up to 44 on the first pull,

when I pulled it, the gun from the concussion from the pressure from the gun, it just started going off, boom, boom, boom, boom, because I tried to shoot it with one hand. Now, the driver is shooting at me through the hole, and I'm still trying to handle the gun shooting back at him. And he's shooting at me through the porthole. and when I turned to my right and I seen that the minivan was starting to leave

I then turned around this way to my left and I end up dropping the gun and it slipped out of my hand I dropped the gun I ran and jumped inside the minivan because the sliding door was open on the minivan and this guy was waiting for his brother again because he was going to fucking leave me

that's the only thing I can think of he was going to leave me If I wouldn't have made it to that van, he was going to leave me. At the time I'm running to jump inside the minivan, the driver and the messenger is shooting out all the windows in the minivan. So when I dived in it, by me diving in it, kept me down, kept me from being able to get shot. But I got shot in my heel, and my buddy's brother got shot in the back of his head, which raised him. And he was bleeding from the back of his head down. I had on a black bulletproof vest and he had on a white bulletproof vest

so I can see the blood leaking from his head down on the bulletproof vest because it was white and blood was red so I was like damn trying to figure out where you got hit at but it had got hit crazed in the back of his head and started leaking onto the vest so we made it to our second vehicle as a well we was getting away they were just running down the road the driver, I mean the messenger running down the road just shooting out of the van trying to stop the van from getting away so we got to the light the light was red

he wanted to stop at the light I was like man go go go I made him run the light go to our second vehicle we got to the second vehicle we shaved cars and we made across the bridge back across I think we came Howard Franklin

across the Howard Franklin bridge and inside the vehicle, he was saying that he was going to Orlando to take his brother because his aunt was a nurse in Orlando and he wanted to seek medical attention from his brother with the gunshot wound in the back of his head. So all this going on, I make it back to my place. I'm chilling. I'm kind of like stressing going by what just fucking took place. And at the at the money store I was trying to rob this armored car

so I um you know my girl she knows all about it and everything and she kind of comfort me and we're watching the TV watching the movie I get a knock at the door

I get this knock at the door and my girl goes to answer the door and it's Hillford County Sheriff Department. So I'm like fuck, oh shit. So she's like yeah he's here like what are you here for? He's got a warrant

out for his arrest for the Mexico violence. I'm like fuck. And she's like no I dropped the charges there was something we had a little disagreement a little argument and I dropped the charges on them and you know I'm not holding any charges against him. And he was like

well the judge still want to see him and they still got the charges for domestic violence, so we're going to have to take him out, but you can come and bond him out. So I was like, fuck, I can't believe it. After what just took place today, this guy is coming to arrest me on a domestic violence charge. So I was like, okay, cool, I'm going to keep my cool

because I just had to go along with it. I didn't want to bring no attention to myself. So he arrests me. He takes me down around the corner. I think at the time I stayed on like Sly and 50th Street, he pulled into like a vacant apartment complex to do its paperwork. And at that time, he let me use his personal phone to call my girl to just talk to her while he does the paperwork. So after doing the paperwork, we proceeded to go to Orange Road, which I was booked in on domestic violence charge. And I had to go in front of the judge in order for him.

to see what we know what was going to take place. So now, that night, I'm going through it. I'm stressing. I was like, man, I just fucking try to out with this armor car. This man, coming. I don't want to be in here. And they find that it's me. And then I'm trying to, oh, Lord, shit, I got to get the hell out of here.

I was like, man, this is not good. So I'm inside my cell. I'm tripping. I'm like, man, how did this fucking happen? After what happened the day now, I'm fucking in here. They on the same freaking day. I was like, okay, I'm just wait until I see the judge. So I lay down to go to sleep.

I think I was in a cell by myself at this time. It wasn't too busy, too crowded inside the pod. It was just like a one-man cell. I fell asleep inside of me sleeping I'm having this dream about the all my car robbery

that happened earlier that day I'm playing this shit back in my head inside my dream in my dream I'm seeing everything that took place me coming out

shooting slow motion everything moving in slow motion but it was just one particular thing inside the dream that was going that was going on

that was confusing the hell out of me while I was standing or sleeping inside my dream I kept hearing this sound was like

pshu but I'm dreaming and I'm like not knowing not really sure what was that noise what was it coming from I know I was dreaming

so I was like fuck but when I'm hearing that noise I wake up in like a cold sweat I'm like oh fuck damn What was that noise?

What was that noise? So I said, you know what? I'm going to go back to sleep. I'm going to lay back down. I'm going to go back to sleep. I'm going to go back to that dream. And I'm going to figure out, I'm going to slow. I'm going to figure out what the fuck is that noise.

So I somehow lay back down. I fell asleep. And I went right back to that dream. And inside the dream, I'm seeing it all again. But I'm telling myself, I need to slow it down. Slow the dream down for I can see exactly where that noise is coming from. And inside that dream, when I slowed it down, that noise was coming from bullets. The bullets that was being shot from the driver who was shooting through the portholes at me.

They were just whizzing by me. And that was that noise that I heard in my dream. So I was like, fuck, man. This guy is rat no more than five, six feet from me, shooting at me, but the bullets are going around me. I'm like, I have some angels. Anyway, eventually I got a chance to see the judge, and I think I was on probation at the time. He just reinstated my probation, brought me back in front with the person who dropped the charges against me, and just close the case on the domestic violence charge

because the person who dropped the charges wasn't going to testify against me, so I don't think at that time the state was picking up cases and stuff like that. It wasn't just that serious. But I ended up getting that case dropped and just end up finished doing my probation for whatever else. I think I had like a Grand Theft Auto or something

that I was on at the time. So as time went by, I kind of chilled out, chilled out on doing banks and stuff. I was, you know, just doing a little petty in and all the things, you know, making a few hundred dollars a day here and there, you know, had little connections with weed and just doing a couple sex here and there with friends and, you know, family and people. who, you know, was smoking and wanted to smoke.

I was just trying to make a few dollars that way. And after that, I decided to get back in the nick of things. I had this girl come up to me who was my girl's best friend. And, you know, I hadn't robbed the bank or did anything and quite something. time. But I was okay as far as money was concerned. I wasn't hurting for nothing. And I had this girl come up to me and she was like, bro, I need you. And I'm like, damn, what was up? She's like, man, you're not going to believe. I had, I end up having an accident in Ebor over the weekend. and um you know this girl pulls up and and i she ended up slamming her brakes and i end up hitting her

from the back but we both got out of car and we went and looked at the car and i didn't have any damage to my car and she didn't have any damage to her car and we just agreed that it was okay we were just going to go off but i found that she called the cops and said i did a hit and run i was like what are you serious she's like yeah man she ended up fucking fucking calling the cops so I want to get my I had that little bit of damage on my car right there I just want to get that fixed and I just want to paint my car for

for they won't know it was me I like so what you want me to do she's like man I will do anything man I don't know what you'd be doing but I know you'd be coming up with money and stuff but I do whatever you can do my car I dry or whatever you want to do I do it

thing up to get out of this jam with this car I'm like, damn I like, man, I see what's up I'll see what's up I get back with you so I'm thinking like damn man this girl going to be messing with me

about trying to help her get some money and I definitely don't want to come out of my pocket I was like I don't mind doing something to get a few extra dollars but it's got to be the right thing so I went on the scout

I went out looking around try to find something close in the area and we had to go too far and then I can be able to help this girl for she can be able to get out of her little jam so I found one which was on Heim's I think it was like a little sunbank

or some type of bank a little sunbank or something on Heimbs right between Hills, Pearl and MLK and it was like perfect to me because it had those high branches that was like hiding the building for the people to pass her by as the cars going down the street, couldn't really see what was going on because they had those high bushes so high that was surrounding the building. So I was like, damn, okay, cool.

I was like, all right, let me get everybody up together. We're going to get all the stuff I'm going to be able to pull this off. And since I'm already got a stolen car hitting over here, I don't have to use a second car because I'm going to have her use her car. That's how I'm going to use her. I'm going to have her use her car. I'm going to break her off with just doing that right there. And then, you know, made me a few dollars in the process.

So I say, look, man, check this out. I'm finnegare and do this dick. I don't know. Did I tell her? Yeah, I told her what was a bang. but I just wanted her to wait for me in the spot in my second location. She didn't really have to have too many, too much ideas of what was going on, but I just want her to be the second vehicle and be in that location.

Cool. So I got my people together, so we went in, pulled a lick off, end up getting like $21,000, $22,000 out of there. Got back to where the second car was at, left the stolen vehicle there, jumped into her vehicle, not knowing at the time that when we transferred from one vehicle to the next, there was somebody on the second floor in the apartment looking at the window at us. So we got in the vehicle, switched cars, got in her vehicle, proceeded to go to where I left

my vehicle at before we can just leave her vehicle over here in another apartment complex off of MLK, got in my vehicle. went back to my place, broke everybody off, and everybody went on a separate way. So this is the story that I heard that in the process of us dropping off the first vehicle to get in her vehicle, the guy up top seeing us getting in her vehicle. I don't know if he got her tag number. I know he got the making model. But I'm not sure if you got the tag number or not.

But when the police and the helicopter was looking for the first vehicle, they seen I had ducked and tucked it over in this apartment complex. You had to see it from a helicopter because you couldn't see it from the road because you turn in and go right there. You had to pull in and be searching or see it from the helicopter. They came over there to get the first vehicle that we went up in the banking, and they were looking for witnesses, people who seeing anything, So the guy on the second floor

who was looking at the window Most of seeing all the police and the cops down there looking at the vehicle we had just left there and he decided to come down and tell his side of the story, so to speak.

Excuse me. So when this guy come down to tell his side of the story, he told the cops, exactly what he's seen oh yeah I've seen like three or four people come get out of this car they got in another car they got in this car and decided to head pull out and head to amenia because we were closest to aminia than we were to hymns and habana so we pulled out made that right turn and got on aminia and headed out to our um to the location

to distribute the money. Now, they got the information about her car from the guy on the second floor. So when he gave them the call of the car and making them all and shit, they started looking for that vehicle. And they found it in the second location that we put it off into another apartment complex.

They ran the bin number, got her tag number, and found out there was her car. at that time if I can remember correctly she I'm not sure how it went down man only thing I know

they knew about her car and they were on her ass she called me up and told me man these people are saying my car was used in some kind of robbery whatever whatever whatever and I was like what you said

like yeah it wasn't me and it couldn't be in my car it's got to be somebody else or like you just stick with that story you don't know shit just telling it like that so I'm like

oh shit it's about to go down so now they got some information about the car that was used a person who might have been involved and stuff like that

so you already know they're going to be watching so I'm trying to keep my distance from that person in my furthest distance as possible from that person. But somehow the person, okay, so her nephew used to do little in-law, job with me, you know, little weed and stuff. We used to go get a little stolen item selling stuff like that.

And he knew about the things I did, and he was connected to her. So somehow he had some kind of connections. With the police, he was involved in some kind of home invasion, and they found in his house a jacket that he had stole from a squat team member's house in Brandon. So he was already in the system on investigation talking to the police anyway. Somehow he mentioned my name, I got involved, so they had been watching me. I didn't even know. so around December 23rd which was my birthday so like well yeah on my birthday I woke up that morning and um we decided we were going to go deep sea fishing out clear water on the double eagle

deep sea fishing so I was like okay my birthday I'm going fishing so we're going to take my daughter and drop her off at the daycare and then my son was going to go with me. I had my son too. Julian, he was with me. So we went to drop my daughter off. Well, before I went to drop my daughter off, when I came outside to get in the vehicle, there was a fucking large, like, white bread bus. Like, those bread, those buses that carry bread, like wonder bread trucks like almost like a box truck kind of thing well it was like a brand new one sitting outside in front of my house with you know all the other cars and stuff in the parking lot next to my car with dark tinted windows you couldn't see in it and at the time we were having

fiber octa lines put down in the apartment complex so I'm thinking that these was the guys who was working for the fiber optic and um they parked so fucking close to my car that that I wasn't able to open up the passenger side or the door to put my daughter in the car seat. So I'm like, I'm trying to look into this fucking van. I'm trying to look into it, but the window's so dark. And I'm walking around by the pool. I'm carrying her. I'm walking around by the pool.

I'm like, these motherfuckusk, you better be glad. So I had to put her in through the driver's side, through the car seat, lean over and put her in the car seat and then, you know, get in. And I had to pull out and let my son get in through the passenger side and let my girl get in in the front, the passenger side. So we decided to leave, we pull out, and I'm going to drop my daughter off to the daycare, and then I was going to get some breakfast from McDonald's

and head back to the house to pick up all the fishing gear and head out to clear water. So I'm not knowing at this time, the whole time that I have the feds FBI following me around. I'm not even knowing I was smoking. morning i was high so i wasn't really paying attention it was my birthday so it was enough to me to be paying attention that closely to vehicles around me i guess i don't know but i end up going by a friend of mine and let him know that uh you know i'm going out of clear water he owned the pawn

shop there used to be red down hillsboro and like rome rome some yeah like rome hillsboro and rome he owned this pond shop his name was rock rockamore a real good friend of mine and um i stopped by i say hey man check this eyes my birthday today i'm going out clear he's like hey man when you get finished coming back from fishing just come over here i got something for you i said all right cool i see you when i get back so i turned out of the pawn shop because i live right down the street from where his pawn shop was at an apartment complex over there so i I pull it out, I'm heading down towards apartment complex. I pull right in front of my apartment, and I'm getting ready to get out.

So I put the car in part, and I look up to the left side of, I lived on the right side on the second floor, but I looked up on the left side on the second floor. I seen two white guys with, like, they had on the same thing, like jeans and like just two shirts, white shirts. I'm thinking they might be like, um, some. cable guys or you know someone trying to sell something so i happened i just peaked up there and i seen them so i put the car in part when i turned the car off and went to open up the door the whole squat team that was in that band was on my ass and they were so happy they got me they were like persistent pays all right and um the wine guy's like hi hey how you're doing i'm i'm in charge

I'm Sergeant McLemeyer and happy birthday and persistent pace we've been out here since six o'clock in the morning we could have got you when you first came out with your daughter but we didn't want to do it out of way we didn't want to traumatize your kids so we waited to a convenient time for us to get you so you know this guy you know that guy and long story short I was booked in a hill I went to Orange Road, and then they moved me from Orange Road to Morgan Street, which was our county and federal holo facility in Hillsborough County. I was booked in, and I never seen the streets again for eight years. That day, I was booked in.

I was charged with armored car robbery. and some home invasion kind of stuff that the kid had told the sheriff about that's how they got on in me. And then they started connecting the dots and putting everything together. So I was booked in for armored car robbery and approximately six to seven home invasions. at that time i was like i'm never going boy look i'm never going to see the streets again i'm never going to get out matter of fact

the feds came to interview me they pulled me in to the room and they go you might well tell us everything you know because you're never going to see the streets again i'm like shit since i'm never going to see the streets again i ain't telling y'all shit I'm never seeing the streets again ain't no sense of me having to say anything y'all well we got your wife

we're gonna get your wife too and and you know what she's going away for a long time I was like hey man y'all do what you gotta do you do what you got to do I ain't telling y'all shit I don't know shit I ain't never seen the streets again so they left they were pissed

so they took me back to them to my cell I called my girl up I said hey man look don't ever don't leave the house. Stay in my mom's house, don't leave because they say they're going to get you. They're going to charge you with this, that, and the other. So if I was you, I wouldn't leave. Just stay in the house. So the day, the next day she gets up, she tried to leave. She decides she wanted to go out from my mom's house on 34 of an MLK, go to the bus stop and get on the bus and head down to her mom's house. So as soon as she came out of the house And when it stood on,

MLK, the feds pulled up to her And arrested her with my daughter And took her And booked her hand and charged her With all these charges that they tried to throw on me The reason why they did that Because they wanted her to tell on me And I told her, look, man, do what you got to do

You have to be on the street Tell them whatever you feel like you have to tell them You know, do what you got to do Don't worry about me, I got me so they let her out and she i guess she was like showing them that she was trying to she was cooperating with them you know you know telling them so much telling them pretty much the shit they already knew to try to make it look like she was working with them and then uh i was like man look don't even sweat it just do what you got to do of shit i'm the one who got

myself in this. I don't know I'm going to get myself out. So when I got booked in at Morgan Street, I already know about not talking to people when you get booked in. People try to get on your case. They want to try to get time cut, reduced from telling on you or what you said to them. They got shit. So you do not talk to no one, period. You try to refrain from having conversation with anybody when you place in that position. So one day, like my second or third day in there, I think I'm having shower after chow or something. And I had this old black man come up to me that I never, I never talked to this guy. I don't even remember if I ever seen him before in there.

But he just came up to me and he goes, hey, buddy. He's like, you, you ever heard of a proffer agreement? I say proper agreement, no. He's like, well, if you ever did anything out there? and you never got called for you may ask you worry about a proper agreement because if you get on this

and you get sent it for this charge right here and then somebody out there to say oh I did this with a bad man with the idea did it with him then they can come and re-indict you and get you a consecutive sentence on top of the sentence that you're on and I was like, damn

really? So I knew I had did like 10 bank robbers I was like oh freak man I'm going to call my lawyer. So I call my lawyer and I say, hey, buddy, how you doing, sir? I like, um, you ever heard of a proffer agreement? I said, what's a proffer agreement? You're like a proper agreement if you have some, some, some crimes that was committed and they were never solved, no one's

never been charged with it. And it has to be information that the prosecutor or whoever they're, they're willing to, to listen. It has to be something they think that's good, substantial, that they can be able to crack these, solve these cases. I'm like, what if I know about somebody that robbed 10 banks? Because I really didn't want to put me out there right then.

Yes, so I say, what if I know about someone who robbed 10 banks? And he's like, if you know about someone to rob 10 banks, you're going home tomorrow. And I'm like, really? I'm like, damn, I'm going home. He's like, man, if you know

about 10 banks and never the guy never got called you're going home i was like okay well hey go tell them whoever you need to talk to tell them that i know about 10 banks and i i want to um see what they can do so he went and talked to um the federal prosecutor at the time and my federal prosecutor man i can't he was a black guy he was a black federal prosecutor I can't remember his name but I do want to say like a year two later after our sentence he left being a prosecutor here in Florida and went to Washington DC to be President Clinton's secretary of state or secretary of defense or secretary for something and he came talk to me and told me what the deal would be.

be. He's like, look, I am making you no promises. I'm going to send two investigators to talk to you in the beginning of the week. And if it's something that I'm willing to listen to or something that I think might be good, helpful for my case, then I'll get with your lawyer and we'll let him know what we can do for you. I was like, okay, cool shit, because at the time, shit, I want to help. My PSI, my pre-sentence investigation report came back 27 years. And I just, knew that look um i got to be here to help myself some kind of way so by the black gentleman telling me about the proffered agreement was something that i like to see something i did i don't have to say something about someone else it's something that the crimes that i committed if i can

use that to get lancy towards my case or my sentence then cool the best for me so I end up being called out that Monday. Now, like I was saying earlier, my prosecutor ended up, like a year later, going to work for Clinton in the White House. And how I know about this is because I was sitting there after my sentencing, I got moved to Brooksville, Hernandez County. That was a federal hole over. It was like a CCA, a private jail. And I was just sitting in the TV room one day, watching the news or something.

And a picture of my prosecutor came up saying that he just got promoted to Secretary of State or a secretary or a defense or something working for President Clinton. I was like, fuck, I can't believe it is his mother. But anyway. So on that Monday, he said, sent two agents over to talk to me and asked me about the information that I was talking to

my lawyer and the federal prosecutor about. And I told them, all right, come in. How y'all doing? My name's Robert Edwards. We went inside the chapel. They had a seat. I had a seat. And I told them about the very, very first bank I robbed. And that was the bank where the guy started crying. He didn't want to rob it with me. I had to put him out at the Crystal's Hamburg. and I proceeded to do the bank without them. So I told them about that bank. It took approximately an hour, an hour and a half to tell them how I came from point A to point B, how. When I told them about the bank robber, I told them about everything, the planning, how I came up with the idea,

how what I wanted them to know specifically about everything that took place in order for me to be able to pull it off. I mean, because if people already said, look, don't hold shit back. If you, we want to know everything. If you tell us or lie to us about anything, we'll take it away. We won't give you credit for the information that you gave us. I'm like, well, I'm going to miss your dad and everything. So, anyway, I told the story about the first bank I arrived. I think I only told like one or two.

I think I was able to get into the second bank at that time. after I told about the first bank, there was an older FBI agent in a younger one. The older one was approximately, I'm going to say like 65, and the younger guy, he was like in his early 30s. So when I told him about that first bank that I robbed on Hillsboro and Havana, we finished up that day, I went back to myself, and they came the following, day. Now, when they came to get me the following day, the two agents was already there waiting for me outside the door of the chapel. And as I'm walking up with the CEO, the younger

guy came up to me like, he was like, oh, fuck, hey, bro, man, you know, I went back and I, I, I pulled the movie, I pulled the, um, the video recording of the bank that you robbed on Hillsborough and Hibana, he's like, bro, fuck, soon as you open up the door, your first step, you're over the fucking counter, like, so fast. He's like, man, why aren't you playing basketball or football? He's like, man, you're fucking quick, you were in and out of that place and I'm, and I'm standing there looking at him like, okay, yeah, I'm like thinking to myself, like, this is an FBI guy.

He's like fucking pulling me. He's like pulling my dick about what I've done. Or, you know, he's like cheering for me. like, you know, boosting on my ego or something. And I was like, wow. He's like, man, bro, you should be playing football or basketball or something because as soon as you open up the door, your first step, you're over the counter, like in one leap.

And I was like, I had to do what I had to do. I had to get in and out. But anyway, I'll make a long story short. I proceeded to finish up telling them about the banks that I robbed, how I did. Where they were done, how much money was taking, what I was wearing at the time. And by me doing that, they knocked from a 27-year sentence, knocked me down to a 10-year sentence. They knocked 17 years off my sentence by me telling them about the 10 banks that I robbed

and never got called for. I guess I'd always kind of heard of these people who break into the bank machines, right? there was a crew here in my city that had been pretty prolific at it and it was many years before this at this time and it always talked about it you've always heard all this stuff right so it was always in the back of my mind I got to check this out got to check this out who was that was that who was that was that um uh gerald blanchard have you ever heard that name gerald blanchard no he was in a wired magazine I when I was locked up

up, I read an article about him, and he was breaking into ATMs. Was he Canadian? Yeah. Yeah. How old was he? He was in his late 20s, early 30s, and this was probably 10 years, about 15, 15 years ago. No. Gerald Blanchard, yeah.

No, I don't think so. Now, anything that you are ever going to read or see is pretty much guaranteed. It's the little private ATL. machines that people can buy and put in their variety stores or whatever? No, this was actually ATMs. He was finding banks that were being

banks were being built. Remodeled. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then just before and I guess apparently your ATM machines are on the inside, right? You have doors. You can't leave them outside. So he would wait till like the banks were going to, it's a

new bank, it's going to be opened on Tuesday. Yeah. He was, well, the night, he would break in before that. Get the, he'd get the serial number of the ATM machine. He would contact the manufacturer and say that he was with the bank and they'd lost their

key and he'd order another key. Really? Now he's got the key to the back of the of the ATM and he said they'll have four or six of these fucking things in a row. Yeah, well, yeah, three. And so he said what would happen is he would break in the night before.

or, well, whatever, weeks before, really, he would block off the sensors, like, you know, the motion detectors on the inside of the blank. Because they still work. He just block off so he could drop down into the bank. Yeah. And then he would go. And so the night before they would load the machines, he would go unlock the doors, pull out all the money, go back up inside and then go back out. And he said, you know, if like the alarm got set off or something, which I think almost never happened. And he said, you know, the cops show up.

They'll look in the car. It's still secure. Yeah, they look around to drive around. They'll sit outside for 30, 45 minutes of the means. Yep. Yeah. So, yeah. That reminded me of your thing is what when you.

Yeah. Well, that's exactly what we're. So they have the same as you guys, the ones that stand alone, like in the hallway of them all or the ones that are in a convenience store. But those are the private ones. Yeah, yeah. When you get into the bank, bank ones, the only time that you'll ever read anything about that is when they catch you.

They will never say Scolship Bank machine broken into $50,000 missing, blah, blah, because they don't want anyone to know that they're losing their shit. Yeah. Right? The only time that we ever got any publicity was when they arrested us.

Right. And then it was all blah blah blah, blah, blah. We caught these guys, right? Well, how did you get on to this? You were telling, I'm sorry, I kind of interrupt. Yeah, so I didn't know known these guys and uh i was friends with one of them and uh a specific holiday was coming up and he's like chris are you interested in doing this with me i'm like yeah all right i'll give her a shot so we did we put a chain around the fucking thing ripped it out we got we made

i don't know about thirty three thousand dollars or something i was like fuck that was pretty good that was quick it was easy what do you mean get it wrap the chain around it so you get a big big thick chain is this a private one or a bank this was a bank one but it was in a gas station okay and so we put the chain around it it's hooked to the vehicle like right take the run at it and it ripped it out came fucking stand there oh it's just thing come flying out of the fucking building laying in the parking lot we fucking loaded it up we were gone so I was like wow That's cool. That was easy.

So then that guy, he wasn't really. What's that? I'm sorry. How'd you get into it? Like, did you pry it open? Yeah. You didn't have a tracking device or anything? No, there was no GPS in it.

No. So we, well, obviously, we left it in the vehicle and put it somewhere where we could sit for a while and watch it, right? Right. Nobody came and checked on it, right? So the next day, we took it to a shop and we took a quick cut to it, fucking cut it open and got the cases out and took the money. and we're good to go. We, I don't want to say how we know that's rid of it, but I'm just,

I'm just curious. Yeah, right, right? So we did that. So I did that for, whatever, we're not going to say, right? But it happened here and there. Right. But it was always in the back of my mind.

I'm like, this is a lot of work. I don't want to fucking rip it out. What if that thing fucking hits me in the back of the head one day, right? I had one one time we were with these two other guys and we're lifting this thing that fucking machine probably weighs about a thousand pounds it's a big safe that's with a computer on the top is what it is right yeah so me and the two other guys we're lifting this machine into a tour well something had slipped well the edge of the fucking machine had landed on

my pinky finger and just just crushed it I actually went to my family doctor I'm like something's wrong with my finger sends me for an x-ray he's like something wrong with your finger he says it's fucking crushed what did you do i'm like why drop something on it but you put a thousand pounds on it like it was right at the very corner so it was like a sharp edge right it just crushed my finger it literally was swelled up so fast it just split the skin wide open so yeah but it just doing that it was like this seems like a lot of work right you know what if what if that machine something the chain snaps and something goes loose you fucking decapitate Who knows?

I'd rather just get into the machine, get the money out, and leave their shit there. I don't want the machine, right? So that was always my goal was to be able to just get the money and leave everything else behind, right? Obviously. So, yeah. You're not collecting ATN. Exactly. You know, you can only stick so many of them over a fucking bridge into a river before they start stocking up.

You know what I'm saying? so yeah um yeah there's a couple rivers with some piles at the end of the rainbow so yeah um hmm so what so so the next step is you're figuring we got to figure out how yeah we got to figure out how to just get into these so okay i got to tread lightly here um it took some time definitely took some time I don't know if I can give details maybe we'll just stick with one day we figured it out

right we mastered the plan right well there's other guys there are guys out there like there's other guys doing it the blanchard guy like I said he actually had fucking figured out the key you know he's got different but here's the problem and I'll explain this to you when shit went bad for us they go on your MO, right?

So when they arrested us, I had to plead guilty to nine of them because even though we had masks on and they couldn't prove that it was us, it's called a statement of similar fact. So because that white car pulled up and two guys and masks got out and they had the same tool

and they did everything the same way, we can say that it's them. Right. Even though you got a mask, gone and they can't prove that it's you it's statement of similar fact is what they got and my lawyers they you're done you can't fight it it's over right so so what's the most you ever got out of one these things um um i just want to say i've got six digits multiple times okay i want to You have too many specifics because, yeah, you know.

But I've got six digits multiple times, but on average, you're between 30 and 60. I've got a few 70s, a few 80s, a few 90s, and six digits a few times. But for the most part, you're around between $30,000 and $50,000. Okay. Right? so yeah so you're doing this periodically i mean how are you guys hitting them like every week um we were trying to be sporadic we didn't want to leave any trail that they could start to set something up right yeah um so i was kind of worried so we kind of jumped around from banks to

banks trying different styles different ways right just testing the waters on everything certain banks were very lax on their security and other banks were got very uptight very quick on their security and took drastic measures very quickly like i can tell you one and it was they only lost about $50,000 before they tightened the fucking strings real quick and there was other banks that lost millions and never did a fucking single thing to do anything about it they would just wait till it was done and then they'd fix the problem they would never go and do a preemptive strike to do anything to stop it right right so yeah it was it was interesting We were married at this time?

Married, girlfriend. God, no. Yeah, I don't believe in marriage. Girlfriend, yeah, yeah. I was with my ex, Melissa, and she had my two stepdaughters. She had any idea of what's happening, or you just come home every once in a while with a nice thick? Yeah, she knew. She had known me for a long time, so she knew that I was a criminal.

I would never give specifics. is to exactly what I'm doing for a couple of reasons. One, I don't want to be used against me later. And if she's being questioned, I don't want her to have enough information. I just want her to be able to play dumb, right? Yeah. So, yeah, she never really knew. But she knew that I'm a criminal and it is what it is, you know.

Your buddy comes and picks you up and then you come back with a pocket full of money. What were you doing? Were you trying to, did you start? I mean, were you thinking to yourself like, hey, this is just, this is just what I'm doing from here on out or do you think yeah pretty much there was never much of an end goal because you know I had a lot of people that you know Chris you got you got to save up and you got to start a business and you got to see I'm like that's you I'm not a business man I'm a fucking thief this is what I do right so right in hindsight should I have did that obviously

I wouldn't be struggling like I am right now yeah but you know what I got a lot of friends that, you know, when I was younger, I got a pretty close group of friends still from high school, some from public school that were all still good friends. And when we were younger, these guys would be like, oh, Chris, you know, you got to learn to settle down and fucking get married and have kids and relax. You know, you're going to end up old and lonely one day.

That's my best friend, old and lonely. Well, now we're in our mid-40s, and he's still with the same girl going to the same fucking job doing the same shit day in and day out and I did a lot of shit in my life and had a lot of fun I was that old and lonely and now it's like shut up right I did everything I wanted in my life traveling I did whatever I wanted I had everything so was it worth it I don't know do you want to be the guy that goes to the same job living your little white picket fence and fucking banging the same broad the rest of your life.

That's not for me. I'm not that guy, you know? Yeah. You guys got Baskin-Robbins ice cream down there? Yeah. They've got 31 flavors for a reason. You don't go there and eat chocolate ice cream all the time, right? Right.

You got to experience everything. So, I don't know. I guess... Law enforcement often questions him, not because he's suspected of a crime, but because they find him fascinating. He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud.

Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. Yeah, that life's not for me. So it was worth it to have the pugging. There was nothing that I could never not do, right? The only restrictions that were ever there was obviously going to the States, I'm not welcome there, so that took out some stuff.

But you had the money to do everything you ever wanted. I get everything you ever wanted, right? So life was pretty good, and I did it while I was young. Right. Or, you know, all my friends, yeah, you got lots of money now in the bank, and you're going to be fucking loaded when you're 60 years old, but you're too old to do anything. You're not going to enjoy it.

So what happened? I mean, you're ultimately, I mean, you got caught. Yeah. Yeah. So I, in August of 2016, I had spent the whole summer up on my boat, living on my boat all summer. And I come back to London one day to do something. And I was on my bike. And I was out at my buddy's farm.

And we were fucking drinking a couple bottles at whiskey. And we were pissing around on the dirt bikes and ended up getting just hammered. Well, I don't know. I'd come up with this bright idea that I. I was going to take my friend whose house I was at, his wife. And my best friend and his wife, we were going to meet in town. I was going to grab this new girl that I was dating and take him out for dinner and introduce them. I don't know.

I have no recollection of any of this. This is what I'm told. So it was about 7 o'clock at night. And I went to leave. They took my fucking shit. They wouldn't let me get on my bike, right? They're like, no, we're driving you. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

I'm like, okay, whatever. They went in the house to grab his purse and keys and all that shit. Well, I guess I had jumped on my bike and fucking take it off. Well, they tried to follow me. So this is outside of the city, probably about 20 minutes, half for outside of town, right? So I take off. So they tried following me. And I guess I was just all over the road, weaving in and out of traffic and just stupid, right?

Well, they lost sight of me. So I don't know exactly what happened. But at 12.31 in the morning, I came to, and I was laying in a field on my my back and I remember my first memory is yelling for help yelling for the people that I know and then I started to kind of clue in I'm like there ain't nobody fucking coming Chris you're in a goddamn field and you don't know where you are right so I took my helmet off and grab my because I always put my phone in my inside pocket so I grabbed my phone out and I turned I powered it on because it had shut off and I called my girlfriend

first. And she's like, baby, where are you? I'm like, I'm fucking know. Why did I call you? You're useless, right? So I hung out. I called my buddy whose house I left. And I'm like, listen, I said, you got to come get me. I said, just start heading back to London on the main road. I said, just start beeping your horn. I'll let you know when I hear you. Right. So he's like, okay, he's, he and his wife better driving around looking for me for hours, right? But I don't really know what time it is at this point. I don't know anything. Right. I'm fucking engaged still. So about 15 minutes later, I hear a horn in the background coming, right? So I'm like, okay, I can fucking hear you, bro. I can hear you. I can hear you. Well, I had left the town before London, and it was

about a five kilometer straight away, and then there's a big sweeping turn. Well, I kind of made an attempt for the turn, but I didn't make the turn. And I come off the highway and down into a field, probably down about 15 feet. And the bike landed in the nose, and I think my body must of came forward my knees caught the handlebars and I broke everything in both my knees and it obviously just catapulted me and flipped me and everything else and it was bad right so I was in a wheelchair for four months I had to learn on a walk again and everything else and at this time we had done all these machines that whatever doesn't matter we had to switch things up let's just say that okay so

So I had always heard about this specific tool that would just open them up quickly. It's a torch, right? Yeah. So I had heard about this thing. So I was like, well, you know what? I'm in rough shape. By this point, I hadn't really done anything in close to like eight months to a year. At that point, you know, I always had a hundred grand kicking around for a rainy day, whatever, right?

Well, I had used that up being in the wheelchair. I still got expenses coming out my ass. You know, you're not thinking like, oh, that's the end of it right here. I got to conserve. You're still living life the way you are, and you're in a wheelchair. So you're trying to probably compensate a little bit. And, you know, anyways. So shit's getting bad.

So, like, Christmas time, I learned how to walk again. And we got arrested in May, fourth or fifth or something like that. But in that meantime, we had got this new tool and we were practicing with it and trying to master the art of how to get in. Because you got to find the specific spot. You don't know. You're going in blind. You don't know what you're dealing with. So you've got to try different shit.

So in my mind, I'm trying to picture the inside of this door to see where the fucking weaknesses are off of what I've learned from other machines. Well, these ones weren't the same, right? the whole mechanism inside was different so I got to one and I'm playing in my mind how a safe works and how the door goes and where the pins are going to be and this and that so then the one out of these nine it fucking worked we got like $32,000 like okay I got it mastered I got it figured out now we're good I know where everything's at go back out fucking strike out strike out Well, I was with my co-acues that I was with, and there may or may not have been another person with us in another vehicle. And so I have a question.

Yep. You're just walking straight up to an ATM. No, no. And, and you're going in. You're going into the bank. Okay. So when you go, I don't know how your guys branches are. But in Canada, when we walk up at the front door of the bank, you could go in.

There's a room to the side with the ATM machines that you can go in and access, right? Like a salad door. Yeah, and then there's a locked door that goes into the bank, right? So we got to go, we got to go in that door, into the bank, and then we got to go to the second door that goes into the room behind the machines. And that's where the safe is for the machines that are in the wall that you walk up to. Okay, so nobody can see you back there. So nobody, well, once you're in the bank and in that room, no one sees you. Yeah.

But to get to there, yeah, people can see you, right? Okay. So we got to go through two locked doors and then as soon as you open that a second door, the alarm's on, right? So anyways, we're trying to figure this stuff out. Well, for some reason, I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I'm just going to say for some reason, we decided to go past our. rules of 5 a.m. And do

it around, I think it was 12.30 in the morning or something. Well, it was a fucking Saturday night. And the jurisdiction that we were in had a police helicopter. And it just so happened that he was up in the air at that exact moment.

So when we went into the bank, we had set the door, the motion on the door to go into the room. And then once we put the heat to the safe, it fucking set the heat sensor off inside of the safe right and then there was a motion detector

in that room too so three alarms are going up so they know that there's somebody in the room it's not a false alarm on one thing so they know and within the last you know 60 days there'd been eight other attempts and this is number nine and this is in the greater Toronto area which is

a city of like three million people or four million people or whatever right so they know that it's on so the fucking helicopter just went me and moved over on his little joystick and hovered over top of the bank so we come out at the bank and we're getting away we go through this subdivision i pull up to a light and i said to my partner i'm like that's a cop right there he's like no no no relax i'm like that's a fucking cop bro we've got to go no no relax relax so unfortunately i listened to him not that it would have mattered too much

but i listened to him so i'm driving anyways i got all the way up to the main highway as soon as i got on the on ramp I fucking floor it well sure enough the lights come on so we get into the chase and at this point I don't know that there's a helicopter on us right so we go on the highway and I come off the highway and I'll send you the video so you get the link so you see the full thing but um anyway I fucking blew the cops away we're gone right my partner's watching out the back window there's no cop in sight there's no one near us we're safe so I go in go through a bunch of streets and houses. I park in a fucking laneway.

We get out, we hop in the backyard. Sitting in the backyard. And all of a sudden, I can see the fucking lights bounces the school behind us. I can see the lights from the cherries bouncing off the school behind us. I'm like, what the fuck, man? How do they know, right?

It must just be random. Well, it ain't random. All of a sudden, I hear this noise. I look up. There's a helicopter. Oh, fuck, I don't know how far up. But he's right above us hover. And I'm like, oh, dude, we're fucked.

It's over. we're done. And so yeah, I tried to run. When you see the video, you'll see me hobble over the fence. Well, Durham Regional Police have released dramatic footage of a pursuit of two suspects in a break and enter at a bank. They just blew the lights at Highway 2 northbound on Harwood. I'm going to switch to two here. The police helicopter's night vision camera shows the dramatic chase through the streets of Whitby. Last Saturday around 1115 at night, Police responded to an alarm at a Scotia Bank. The helicopter follows the suspects, and then, as they try to make their high-speed getaway,

running red lights and blowing past other cars. Now, take a look. You can see the heat from the tires as the car makes its high-speed turns. The suspects would eventually dump the car in a driveway and then run off. Police arrested one suspect, and a canine officer was able to track down the other suspect nearby. A 41-year-old man and a 50-year-old man. 61 year old man now face a total of 21 charges yeah yeah yeah it's funny that anybody that knew me because my legs didn't really bend then so you can see the way i was running it was pretty odd they're

like oh we know that was you right so then i took me down on the ground and punched my fucking basin and arrested me and charged me with nine bank machines and uh high speed chase and i ended up getting three and a half years for that and you do how much time time on three and a half on three years like i did uh two and a half of the three three and a half really yeah yeah so in you have in canada on well on on any time you do two thirds and then the last third is a good time basically um in the provincial system it's good time so they could take your good time for you get into a fight or whatever they could take that away the federal system it's not it's called statutory release a two-thirds you're released

on parole and then you got conditions you got to see a parole officer and go through all the fucking bullshit get a job and do all that stuff right yeah it's similar here like well not the two-thirds but here you have to do 85% of your time and then when you get released they they call it supervised release yeah and you get you know like i got i got five years supervised release so everybody's Oh, you got out of prison, you're done. No, you're not. That's even worse. Yeah.

For me, I'd rather be in the prison than being out here. Like, if you're going to lock me up, lock me up, don't fucking sit there and tease me with it because I don't want to be sitting at home with a nine o'clock curfew while my friends are out having fun and getting fucked and partying and drinking and being at the bar and having a good time. Well, I'm sitting here because guess what? I ain't sticking around. I'm coming, right?

That's just the person that I am. right so i don't do well on that type of stuff but that last one all my stuff i've always breached a million fucking things everything i've always breached everything but my last one i actually believe it or not completed the full parole and my parole officer my last day i had to go see him for the last time and he called me a statistical anomaly what's that you know boziak yeah i know he is yeah he's never he's never successful Successfully completed a probation ever I've been on it fucking five four or five six times Oh I've been able to complete it. Yeah, no, I've never completed one without having a fuck out until this last one parole

My, my first time when I was 18 and I got out I went back Well, I think I only went back on one parole violation my second time I went to the pen I got two years I went back on two violations on that one and then this one I got none I finally finished it because in Canada, prison just, it ain't like it used to be. Not that prison was a good place to be, but it was tolerable, right? There was good people in there. You know, you can have fun. Basically, in prison, well, you don't need me to tell you.

Anything that you got on the street pretty much, you can get in there. You know, you want to get drunk and have a party. You can make booze, get part. You want to get hot. You can get a piece of ass. You can get trailers. Like, you can work around pretty much every obstacle and get what you want. right so it wasn't so bad but now the prison is just full of drug addicts losers and

there's nobody to sit there and talk with it have an intelligent conversation really i mean you can find the odd guy but there's not much right yeah it's just it's a it's a whole different thing and it's not a place that i really uh want to spend a whole lot more time in my life so i just uh i wrote out that parole and now i'm just uh trying to unfortunately work for a living and pay my bills not a big fan of it but it is what it is um i'm gonna listen that guy gerald blanchard right yeah um uh hold on fraud i'm gonna go with fraud bro i'm gonna send you the wired article on him yeah i'm telling you your story was is almost like a combination of his story and both Oziac story.

Like with you and being a kid in and out of the facilities, in and out, and yours with the ATMs and everything. Yep. Same kind of stuff. I mean, I'm sure there's tons of stuff. Where was he in Canada,

do you know? Oh, I mean, Canada. Like, was he in Ontario? Was he out west? Hmm.

I just hit the, here's the Wired app article. um blancher yeah listen he's got a great story um so let me think what um shit i can't you got to look it up i don't know exactly where he

was but i'm telling you i'm going to send it to you right now yeah you're gonna you're gonna read it and be like holy shit like you got some good stuff in there um hold on well maybe i can put it together for the next fucking stab at it yeah yeah the only thing is you know what he did he actually was in um i want to say vienna hold on i'll tell you right now he was in where was he um oh man i wish i had thought about this better i want to say i'm gonna say vienna oh yeah uh I'm sorry?

Your connection is going on weird. Oh, sorry. I think he was in Venice or something. Not Venice, Vienna. Anyway, I'll know for sure. But what he did was he actually, you know, you know how a lot of, in Europe, they'll take old castles and turn them into museums?

Jason. No, it's okay. Oh, there we go. Yeah. You know how in Europe, they'll take old castles and turn them into museums? Yep. He'd gone through a museum and realized that like it had really bad security.

And so he ends up getting someone to drop him at night and he parachutes down, skydives down and lands on the roof. Nice. And he goes in the second story window and he steals what's called the cis diamond. Okay. And it's a, it's a massive diamond surrounded by other diamonds. Yep. Never does anything with it. Just keeps it.

Keeps it. because he, you know, he could have broken apart and sold it, but he did, he has it. He just wanted to see if he could do it. You know, he didn't have money. Yep. And ultimately, when he gets caught by it in Canada, when he gets caught, he uses that to bargain his way out of being getting up. You could do that in Canada. Yeah, they call it doing patches.

I used to do that. I've done it three or four times, believe it or not, with stolen vehicles. Right? Because they don't like it very much, right? But I'm not there to please them. But the thing is, is the, in Canada, the auto theft squad for the police is financed by the insurance companies, right? They give them a lot of money to stock combat auto theft, right? Really?

So when you get caught for something, you're not going to really buy your way out of anything bad. But if you get some stupid little shit and, you know, you got a $100,000 car sitting there. somewhere. Well, your lawyer will go to the crown and say, hey, listen, my guy wants to give you this back. You drop this. Well, we don't want to do that. No? Okay. Lawyer calls up the insurance company. Hey, my client has $100,000 worth of your stuff and the crown doesn't want to get it back for you. Oh, really? And the fuck with insurance company forces them to fucking do it. And the fuck are we funding you for? Exactly. They get so. I read about another Canadian that was

making US money. Do you ever hear about that? guy he was he was counterfeiting u.s. money um i've heard of a few counterfeiters i think he was in g i think he might have been in gq and i read about him there's a youtube a video on youtube about him it's a short little video i think that's the kid from fucking uh windsor i believe was just a young kid uh no this guy he was he was probably was old short fat he was not a not a what trust me he was he was a tubby little guy but there was a young kid from windsor that stumbled upon that at a young age and he actually works for the federal government now well this guy when he got caught he got caught and he was going to get a whole bunch of time and hit the big thing they held over him

was they were going to like he was like he was thinking okay big deal I'll get a year or two yeah in Canada I was making U.S. currency will the secret service then yeah and they said we're going to extradite you to the u.s so he turns around he goes to the canadians you know to the crown and said listen i'll tell you where where the press is yeah paper is where he had like um several million dollars already made i'll give you several million but you cannot send me to the united states yeah because he knew they were going to give him 10 or 15 years oh fuck yeah yeah that's that our justice systems are totally different right like they fucking hang you guys down there where we don't get that here loomis there's two guys and as far as the

truck layout is it's a it's a big f i think it's a f 650 converted into an armored truck i believe so um f 650 converted to armor truck uh bulletproof glass um sophisticated cameras on the inside of when they had cameras in the front with the driver and then they had cameras in the bag with me uh and the camera's pointing out the front of the truck to one on each side and one in the back so and they're always 24-7 recording from the time you turn that truck on even after you get by the time you get back

it doesn't shut off for like another four hours or something like that always recording they're so sophisticated that if I was driving and I had one of these earbuds in right here it could tell that I had a earbud in my ear but I was being distracted by that and so it's sent back you know information to my supervisor saying, well, this is what he's doing wrong.

And pretty much people can get rid enough of that. So as far as getting away with stuff, it was real difficult to do that. Let's discuss how the cameras work. But the driver, he's in there, a majority of the time unless he has to go to use the bathroom. And then he has to ask me to, if he can go use the bathroom, of course, go let him. I'll hop in the front seat because there has to be someone in the truck, driver's seat at all times. And they do send out supervisors to go watch you to make sure you're doing a job. And they'll send them out 100, 200 miles out, you know, to watch, see if you're doing it correctly.

So after that, where was I? I was like, yeah, so there's my position, the carrier or the messenger, as you would say. We'd be responsible for collecting the cash, go inside convenience stores, including ATMs, banks. Also, we go into like little outlet stores and get. their cash also. Their deposits in Walmarts also. We did a lot of work with Walmarts. We'd bring gunk change. I mean, you go in there and you, what, you flash your badge and say, hey, because they've called you to come pick up money, right? So they're expecting you.

Yes, pretty much. And they already know they have a set schedule of when we're supposed to arrive. And there's actually been fraudulent people try to act as Loomis before. You can probably look it up and find a couple of videos about it. But he just, just had like a little vest on didn't say lumus on and no ID badge but whenever we would go of course we'd have our D badge and uh it'd be like on a lanyar that you just pull down and you know if you if you have said lumus on your vest it it looked pretty legit and plus uh i got along with everyone so they always knew they're like well oh look loomis is here be like what they call me that man that's not my name so it's like you know scott i get along with everyone to get on their

good side so yeah we'd go get their cash and then bring it back in the truck uh to we scan it in bring a rack in the truck, put it in the bin, go on to the next row. From about six in the morning to about, yeah, I usually get home around nine, 10 o'clock at night if I went out of town. So we got out of full day. Six, from six a.m.

Yes. Until nine at night. Just about sometimes later. But a 15 hour a day. Well, my route, we had a, drive three hours out of town so it was the drive that sucked the most but all during that on the way outside of town we'd stop by little places like little convenience stores and stuff like that to pick up their cash or whatever or cell phone come up places T-mobile uh so on the way up there we do that and

sometimes some places they wouldn't even have deposits for us they'd be like oh we don't have anything all right cool onto the next and I just had like this long list of places we got to stop at so the whole time I'm routing route which was the best because they won't always be be the same like in order so it's like all right so what do we need to be at at this time we got to be at this bank at this time so we got to do these these routes efficiently i had to plan them all out kind of like in a route planner and see what's the fastest ones uh to take complete all those um to replenish ATMs would take a while especially with a non of such of the ATMs that had multi currencies in them like fives and tens and 20s like Wells Fargo is like one of the biggest

ATMs we worked for because we would go when each 12th Fargo took it I think it was close I think it was every time we replenished it I think it was close to $250,000 in an ATM yes that's included that's included hundreds 20s or hundreds 50s 20s and tens yeah I don't think they used five's but I could be mistaken though so you know when we have these little cassettes that we take out of the ATM and uh take them back to the truck take the money take the old money out put them in the bag scan it because we print out receipts for everything so we know how much is in the bag and um uh the course the driver's watching you at all times whenever he got he's uh he he tries position the truck closest as he can from door to door uh if even if it's taking up

any cap spots they would do that even though one of our guys got a ticket for that one time which is which is crazy though but Anyways, that's a different kind of story. But we replaced the ATMs, and yeah, about $2,000 a $50,000 worth would go into those ATMs. And then as I go back in the truck onto the next one, and sometimes we'd have like four or five ATMs to replenish. And I think the biggest, like, haul that I had in the morning taking off, I think I was sitting on about, I want to say close to 1.5 mil. That's that you picked up all together. That's what I started out with in the day.

That's what I had to deliver and replenish also. Because my much would take a lot of money. The own depot would get a lot of money. So we had all these drop-offs. And also there's one picture I sent you of the big one. They have a bunch of ones we took off to the strip club. And that was, I think, I believe that was $100,000 worth. He built some of the nation's largest banks out of an estimated $55 million

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the corner bills are palling up and they were treating us correctly because we were getting paid as much as a regular cook was getting paid at the time I'm not I'm not dogging on cooks or anything but I could have gone but I love food so I could have gone but he could and you paid the same as I did be the carrier it was it's like I think like 1625 or something like that an hour which is ridiculous now that I think about it How long did you work there? Close to a year.

Started around my birthday. I actually got it written down right here. Oh, yeah, I started on my birthday. That's what I just started on my birthday. That's one thing I remember to try to remember about it. It's like, even though I forget about it. Yeah. Around the time of my birthday, I'm going to say it was my birthday, but, you know, around

March 5th of 21. Okay. And then I worked with them all through the year. through the summer learned how everything went and it's just kind of repetitive after a wall then we got to a point

to where when I was sitting in the back of the truck you can see my leg propped off on one of those pictures that I was just looking at it one morning you know it's just making me sick to my stomach

was looking at just looking at it because people get their heads chopped off of that for that paper yeah if you think about it that way which is crazy

but then I had to go back well you got a job to do and I get back in that motion be like all right let's let's get this day done with so I got to that point where I was like man getting tired.

Did, I mean, did you ever hear about, you know, money just showing up missing or? Um, not really. If I'd never really bothered to ask around there's, I've heard some things, but always been that kind of guy that's kept to myself and like, I'm the more like the guy that sits in the bag of the room and watches and listen to everyone else. But with that job, I just wanted to get my job done and go home. Even with the truck driver, you know, I was like, we would get a new driver. Like, if I'm an ass, if I'm come off as an ass or something,

no take it personally you know that's what i'd be telling him through the yeah pain glass window and he's like no it's all good the next day he's not even showing up that's how stressful was getting like and at the other day i apologize him going to be like man i'm sorry if i came off as asshole and stuff like that you know it's just a bunch of numbers and stuff and then people just after a while i don't know what got to me the most i think it's just because i don't know i was working so much and uh yeah paid i'm i'm pretty sure i could got paid way better than I was well so well what do you guys make it was uh I started off at 15 an hour but by the time I was getting by the time I left it was 16 50 an hour

and do you get more than 40 hours a week oh most definitely uh I would clear at least close to 1200 every two weeks um so okay so i'm saying 40 hours a week do you work more than 40 hours a week most definitely i at least yeah i hit 40 hours by my i want to say by my third and a half day fourth day on i might i work at what 16 60 70 hours a week yes pretty much uh uh At the very minimum, about 58 hours at the minimum. I was just saying, because the guy that I had talked to was that I wrote the story about, like he was telling me about money just showing up, you know, missing. Like guys would, they would scan the bags as they come in.

Like, you know, they give you the, you pick up the deposits. And you scan the bag. He's like, he's like, you have a scanner. You have a little device. You scan it in. And he said, then at the end of the day, you come back and you, give them you scan like here's what i've got they then scan them in he said every once while somebody would show up and there'd be one missing i was like that's that's where i kind of had a problem with

that story because it goes back to like how sophisticated the trucks are um and also and this is probably 10 years 10 or more years ago when his his thing happened oh okay 10 years okay then the mod they don't already ought to have the most sophisticated cameras i could see that happening back then but when I was there, there's no way possible. That's only going to get away with that now. But as far as money coming up missing, no, not really.

Which comes to here in town, we have Brinks. They got robbed. And actually, that just looked like a setup all in one. You know, it's just, no one's going to know, like, you know, hey, let's go rob this Brinks dude. You know, he's armed him by himself.

as I and plus like the way that it was on camera and everything it just looked totally funny if you look up the town I'll tell you the town later and look up rings oh you'll find the video uh but I don't think that guy was ever caught um so what what happened I mean you don't work here anymore right so basically after a while it's getting too overwhelming for me and then we started working with these uh during my time it was like six months in we started working with these bitcoin machines that they have at convenience stores and it basically turns your cash into cryptocurrency you can send it to your wallet or you send it to other people and it's also basically a way to wash or i guess yeah wash your money i guess they say they call

it uh basically turn in you know drug wanting it to uh yeah it's like yeah money laundering like longer your cash into crypto or your crypto into cash right so pretty much and you know over times especially down uh down going down south uh there's a lot of them and it's something you really notice like if you're going to a convenience store unless you're actually looking for it and so we started working with them and then we're going through the i guess it's something that's barely started happening uh so they'd give us some information on our little scanner and say you know give us the pass code for that for that ATM so we go and put the past code in,

open it up. Well, first it shows the screen how much is in there. And then if there's anything in there, you open it up, clear it, or you clear it, then open it up, take whatever's out of there and put it on one of those bags as like I was talking about. Scan it in. On the little, I would just scan it in. You put in the amount on your little palm.

It was like a, like a zebra, one of those zebra scanners that you'd probably see someone have at Walmart. You scan it and then put the how much was in there. Then just throw it in the truck, roll out. Yeah, that's what we started working with a lot And like I said, 90% of the time There'd be nothing in them So I wasn't too sure who was the boss

Or who was the supervisor for all those ATMs I try to look it up See who manages them all But I couldn't find anything about them So probably I don't know if they still do this There used to be a business opportunity scam Where you could buy ATM machines they can

you can buy ATM machines as far as like let's say there's some game rooms here they buy they buy them from I forgot who they buy them from

but you can buy regular ATMs but as far as buying Bitcoin machine ATMs I don't know anything about that I never heard about buy Bitcoin machines I don't know there was one where you could

basically you could buy them and then you could go put them in convenience stores in different places and load them and you know You charge, whatever, $3.50 for every transaction or whatever it was. Well, yeah, right.

I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I'm not too sure if you could buy them from, but I've heard of people buying them, buy an ATM and then just putting their own cash in there. I'm not too sure how all that works either. I'm pretty sure there's some extensive background checking going through that to be able to buy an ATM in the first place. Well, I mean, they really just, yeah, I hear you. I don't know.

I don't know. this was a it was a business I knew a guy that was selling the machines like they would sell the machines and they load them with their own cash and then they tie them into you know whatever however many banks or whatever and then you go there and you punch in your pin number and you get the cash and then they take the cash from your your bank account and they charge you a fee so um but they were tiny little machines their little they weren't big massive ATM machines that were, you know, in a wall or something. These were a little tiny machine.

That you could probably put on a dolly and roll out with. Yeah, exactly. Like they bolt them to the ground, but I mean, you know, honestly, I'd probably take a crowbar and yank them out of the concrete. Most of the time, too, especially when we'd all open them at convenience stores, probably the ones you'd see had like a, would y'all have the, uh, the wawa there in Florida? Yeah.

Like the ones they have, the ones they have there. I'm pretty sure that we'll probably have the same ones. and um yeah as far as uh selling those i don't know how you'd be able to sell those uh but i never heard of that scam before i'm going to have to look into that one well i mean there sounds interesting though the the um the cryptocurrency ones like i can't imagine like are those ones that are that are owned by bank of america or you know like what are they i've never even heard of those see i've as far as you guess is just goes mine um that's the thing i never knew who owned those or who would get the money, you know, like,

because it's so hush, hush, I guess. Plus, we just barely started working with them. So, you know, we go replenish ATM at a convenience of 7-11. Well, on top of that 7-11, or on top of that ATM, it says, happy state bank or America State Bank. Of course, we know where that ATM and that money's coming from. Right. But on Bitcoin, they never said it didn't have no, like, sponsors.

It didn't have nothing saying, like, who the money, who is copyrighted by maybe or trademarks or anything like that they didn't have anything even on the ATM itself just said Bitcoin Bitcoin is something though but you know it's it's a partnership with so-and-so

nothing like that even on the main screen so it's kind of weird so so what happened well all right so I went into the store

one day to check one of them And this lady, she was, asked me about it. She was like, you think you give my money back? I was like, I just got scammed for $5,000, you know, because apparently she sent it to someone for some care package or one or another. I was like, yeah, I have no control of that. And there was this whole time I'll talk to her. I'm like opening the machine and taking her money out that she just put in there a couple hours before.

I'm like felt so bad about that. I'm like, I'm so sorry. Like, you know, it's, yeah, there are scams that go around. It's like you, I gave her my contact number to the, to my job. And I was like, you want to try to contact Bitcoin, even though I don't know who you would get in contact with from Bitcoin. Like, there's, they don't have no phone number on it or anything. I was like, I don't know how it goes about that. And so she's just like real depressed about that.

I mean, I'd be upset, too, if I just got a scan for $5,000. It's right there in front of me, you know, or even though, like, she could have took out a gun and shot me in head and took out of the other thing I had. Like, there's people that killed for less than that. And so I kind of thought about that. after a while, I was just thinking about, you know, who keeps, who keeps track of this? You know, I was doing the thing, you know, this bank controls this money, you know, I pick up this money from other businesses. They know what they're giving me.

So I got to scan them in. But who really, no one's there to monitor this ATM and to monitor me. Only thing that's really watching me are the cameras inside the convenience store itself. And most of these convenience stores, they have like fake cameras, dummy cameras. as I call them. And they just have like these blinking red lights. And that's how you can know they're their dummy camera. They look like those black dome ones you're probably seen.

Right. I could spot fake ones from a mile away. I used to install them in a previous job, but that was a few years ago. But the dummy ones they'd have, they'd have a link like a blinking red lot. And so I always knew if they were fake or not. And so I started thinking, I was like, man, just need a... you know, planned it out because we'd get like four or five of those in a route a day. And like I said, 90% of the time there's nothing in there.

If there is something there's, there's nothing more than $100. So I was like, you know, I'm not going to rush anything to see what happens. And if when the day happens, you know, that'll happen. Sure enough, that day didn't, it didn't take long for that day to come. It was around Christmas time. And I just took my chance and, you know, went to go check out, see how much was in there. and there was 10,000 in there. And so I was like, yeah, this is my time.

So I tell you, I did, well, when I go check those ATMs, I wouldn't have to, they tell us to carry a bag with us all the time. I don't know for what reason, though. Pretty sure it's a safety reason, but I would never carry one in just to check the ATM because I knew anything I was coming out with something that would be small to put in my fast that I wore. So I always keep spare bags in there also.

It's just in case. So I under taking anything with me So I went in there Checked it Looked around Spotted with fake cameras Because all the time I started I started looking out

Where the cameras were And like just studying basically Every where every community store I went into So I went in there and checked it out It said that it said 10,000 in there USD Open it up to the cassette out And right there on the floor

I was just open up the bag Put the cash in there But I never scanned it in And once you close ATM I'm going to clear it. It doesn't print off no receipts or anything like that. So I just put it back in my vest. It looked like I just checked the cassette to see if anything was in there.

Basically, just put the cassette back in. I closed it up, left. So just went out through the day. And the whole day, I'm just like, this is like maybe 10 in the morning. So the whole day, I'm just sitting there right on my chest. I was like, man, there's like, man, there's like, oh, no, what I'm going to do with it. It's like all these other things I was thinking about. doing with it and then um on the way back it was at the end of the day i was heading back

and i was just sitting there i was like man i'll probably go to prison i'm probably gonna go to prisons for this and because i don't know there's no backing out now because there's cameras in front of me there's cameras all around me there's no going to your car before you go inside when we get there and we were always the last ones there's because we were out of town the far inside of town i was like yeah they're got you know they seem to go to my car like they're not going to appreciate that at all. They're going to want to know, hey, what you go out to your car? And like I said, this is like, I mean, a couple of days before Christmas.

So, yeah, I just went home, took it out. Well, I went to my girlfriend's house and showed her, what was that. I just told her I got some kind of bonus or whatever. She was from Maceco, so she didn't speak that good in English, so she just thought I got some kind of bonus. I don't know how all that worked out. I don't remember all that. It was basically, like a big haze to me now.

so uh he i just sat on it for a couple weeks man me yeah i well i got sick they didn't notice well they didn't i'm pretty sure at the time they check everything because uh before by the around the time i got that and by the time i came back to work i was asked they were like have you been checking at the ATMs like make sure there's anything in there i'm like yeah i'm made sure to check them all uh you know it's like there's office like most of the time because if uh They tell us to check them, even though if it says $0 on the screen to show how much it's in there.

They say, check it anyway. So I'll tell them, yeah, I'll check it every time. You know, I played it off real good. And then I got sick around that time after Christmas. I got, I had the flu. And then I got the COVID shot January 1st, 2022. And the COVID shot I got apparently was like the one that kills people, whatever, it was the Johnson shot. So I got, it messed me up for like, like a good week and a half.

It messed me up pretty good. And then after that, after I got that way, that pain went away. Then I got COVID, like at the very end. I was like, man, that would happen to me. So, uh, you got COVID. And then I got over there. They took a month and a half on the end of that. On the end of that, that's when I came back to work.

And between that time, we went to Miami. So she'd get her, our breast done. You're grown up. yes at the time and paid for all that and everything and talking about like every all the plane tickets the ubers the food and all that and so it was pretty it's pretty good experience for me especially me never gone to bend afforded also i mean like that's humidity i don't know forget that you can't do that humidity again but uh they came back um worked for about a week on my second when we back, they took me into the office.

Well, they told me to, they were like, hey, just hold off the manager wants to talk to you, the supervisor, the breast supervisor of the building. And they were like, yeah, they showed me this video of me not wearing my seatbelt or something like that, which I've done almost like every day. It was policy to wear your seatbelt at all times when the truck's moving. Law enforcement often questions him, not because he's suspected of a crime, but because they find him fascinating. He is the most interesting man in the world.

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I was like, you know, just like me, I'm wearing my seatbelt a video. of it. I'm like, yeah, there's something else going on here. And so I'll wait for like another hour. Everyone else already left. So I'm just sitting there by myself in the bay. You can hear the change machine in the background because they're always just constantly running change and people that go to coin stars and turn their change in. We collect all that too. So you see in the background, I'm just in there. I was like, probably going to go to prison. I was just, you know, I was thinking to texting my mom and everyone, you know, hey, if y'all aren't here for me, you know, because there's no way

if that was to happen there's no way I could call anyone and tell them what happened why I couldn't tell them from jail you know just because hey I'm in jail

I'd have to tell them before you know yeah and they'd be recording you anyway if you were trying to talk to them on jail phone you wouldn't be a good idea to say hey I swiped 10 grand yeah exactly

so it's like I wonder what I should do because by this time I already spent most of it maybe I had about maybe like 2 or 3,000 left just sitting on that so

I couldn't I was just in there like you know I'm just not going to say anything you know like I've always done before in the past you know when I got in trouble

because not out of time they're bluffing if they say they got this and this and this and as much as I knew I know they haven't been to every store

that I've worked in especially with these new machines so I was like yeah I was gonna you know play along with it I'm going to act like I don't know and just not say anything. So I just got taken to the back, they're like, do you know, in this day or this day, you know, what had, what might have happened at this ATM be like, like, I don't recall, you know, I used to hear a lot of cops say that when they're in the court.

Like, I don't, I don't recall, you know. So that's basically saying, you know, you know, but you don't know pretty much. Like, you know damn well what happened, but you just don't want to admit it. Right. I don't recall. So I just kept saying that. And then, uh, the guy that was, that guy was talking to me, he used to be, uh, he used to be some, uh, detective for, uh, homeland, uh, not homeland security, but, um, probably is that homeless security of people that work at the airports? Uh, uh, uh, uh, what is it, um, TSA?

TSA. Well, he's some investigator for them. Um, I guess they'd go into interview people that try to smobloving, uh, drugs or money or whatever. Right. He used to do that in Miami, out of all places, because he had this real thick Cuban accent. And that's where he started out as, and how ironic that is. But he came up here to where you're here in West Texas, and he was interviewed me. He's like, he just looked at me, you know, he's like, he was just him in the room. I didn't have my gun on me.

He took it off me and everything. You know, I wasn't going to come off the threatening or anything. I just sat there like, pretty much how he now. Just looking at him kind of got a bit of sloth smart. on my face. Not really, but I was kind of nervous, so that's how I hot it is that, you know, I was just kind of like smirk to myself or whatever. It looks like I'm smirking or laughing, but I'm really not. And so he's like, he's like, Justin, I know what you did. You know, he's like, so I didn't wear my seatbelt. Yeah, well, yeah, that too. And that was like the third thing, too.

He's like, and you never wear your seatbelt also. And I'm like, yeah, I forget that. See, always chafing me and cut me in my neck and all that. It's like, all this money came by new seat belts and like they'd be all frizzy and stuff so they got cutting in your neck had to put like one of those seatbelt covers right there it was ridiculous all the money they got they can't afford those and the seats too were uncomfortable as hell it's like riding on a horse all day uh so basically this government ultimatum you know i wanted to stay that's fine but if what they'd get rid of me eventually and it'd be in the back and that it'd be me leaving in the back of a cop car if we didn't say that but

But he said, you know, we'd make sure. I forgot what he said exactly. But those are along the lines of it. Had to still remain professionally either way. So as I resigned, you know, took on my vest. They escorted me out. And by the, I realized how I didn't have a, I didn't have my ride. It was in the shop.

So as they stripped me of everything, I had to even my clothes. So I was like standing there. It was so cold. I remember it was like 40 degrees that morning. And I'm sitting there. outside with my i'm sitting there in tanny shoes uh my shorts uh i had some shorts that i brought with me because i was i've changed them out at the end of the day because my pants would get too sweaty and whatever so i put on my shorts and my i had a tank top underneath there's kind of

like a tight underarm or shirt and i'm sitting out there a 40 degree weathered no jacket or nothing because we have the air of his luma's jacket so uh they took that away i'm staying there like freezing balls like with the wind blowing i'm just like man I think I just dodged a bull or other. So she starts talking about Robin Bank and why she wants to and how she thinks it should be done. And, you know, one of our dealers had done a lot of time. And she was, like, asking him about it. You know, I'm like, you can do something like that.

You really shouldn't talk to anybody about it. Right. But it was something he, like, they almost seemed like they were enjoying, like, the fantasy, talking about how to do it and you know um it was just going on and on and on and it wasn't just like whenever we'd go over to our dealer's house it was like with me and she'd rant and rant and rant and i was you know i i was running out of ideas to get dope you know um it was getting hard really hard and i was like finally like would you just put up or shut up about this like are you going to do it or not i mean i need to get well you need to get well what are we going to do i don't

have any options right now and you don't seem to have any either like this is this is the thing this has been your plan so put up or shut up i wish i'd never done that maybe nothing ever would have happened i don't know but because of that i well i don't know if it was because of that but after that i should say uh it's when we tried our first armed robbery she had me pull up behind a and she took her little plastic shopping bag and her ski mask and gone and went into the store it was like this wasn't a bank no it was a store why just to get her feet that i guess i don't know baby steps baby steps yeah well there is a reason why we never did rob a bank but i'll tell you that in a second anyway she goes in there tells

them to put the money in the bag the guy throws the bag back in her face and says get the fuck out of my store and that's not a good sign right and Simon comes running out jumps in the car go go go I go and I'm like what happened she tells me I'm like yeah so do you see can you see now that we are not these people like you have Suboxin let's go to my trailer and just take the take the 24 hour hit where you have to wait 24 hours before you can take it so you get a little sick like let's just do us this kick you know because that's what's driving this we don't have we are not these people we don't have to do this and uh simon was like well just a minute and she calls another dealer that we go to and sells the gun to the dealer for drugs so that's how we got well that day and we didn't of course

i'm not going to say no i'm totally addicted i was like yeah you got some good let's do it um And it was enough to last us for a few days. She left me with a little to stay well and went back home. She came back a few days later, new gun. Dad's gun this time? One of the many. I mean, they were all basically his. He paid for them all day, but they were registered in all kinds of different names.

and you know obviously his wife had one of her own i don't know how many she has of her own but there were several handguns things that they were just hidden all over the house so which when you have when you knowingly have a drug addict living in your house and you leave your guns unlocked and available there should be a penalty for that you know but anyway they did uh keep she was able to access another one came back and she was like no i want to try again like are you real really like i know i can do it i know i can do it uh and so we did that other guy was unreasonable we right a reasonable victim well you know you're this willing to you know that guy probably owned the store yeah you got to get in a probably yeah so you know we we do our first i think it was a

Baskin-Robbins, and it was right before they closed. And, you know, made off with like under $300, but it was enough to keep us well for a few days. And, you know, unbeknownst to Simon, I'm like hustling in other ways to get more drugs because I, at this point, I require a lot to stay numb. I didn't want to just stay well. I wanted to stay out of it, oblivious. So we do it again And then when the drugs run out She sells the gun to another drug dealer

And then goes home And this pattern repeats Over and over over Over a six week period About eight times, nine times Never a thing though Because we could not wake up early enough To rob a week

You're getting it So you're getting a gun gun she's getting a gun robbing a store you're driving the getaway car she sells the gun or trades it for drives it and then a couple days later you guys need money she grabs another gun yeah there were multiple multiple guns i don't think she i don't think she sold every single one of them immediately after one robbery like i mean obviously this is a little bit of a fuzzy area for me But I do think that there were a couple of times where she hung around longer and committed more robberies with the same gun. So as much as I can remember, there were four, maybe, definitely four, but maybe five even that ended up going into the ether, which bothered me.

I was like, really shouldn't be doing that. You know, those guns are associated to your family. And if they start showing up in, you know, in crimes, that's going to be a whole other, you know, problem. I was like, I don't think you should be doing that. And basically, I wasn't invited to have an opinion at this point in our knowing each other. So I was just to do what she told me, you know. So are all the robberies going better than the first robbery? Yeah.

So now she's got it. She's got a M.O. at this point, right? She chooses younger cashiers in smaller places. She'll go and act like she's going to make a purchase. And then when they open the till, she pulls out, produces the gun and says put all the money in the bag. But she was also in disguise a lot of times. She wore multiple coats to make her look bigger. She was already like five, nine, five, ten.

So she was pretty large. There's all this kind of this, you know, trying to confuse reports of the description, basically. Some people reported them as male, some people reported them as female in a male disguise, so on and so forth. So on the last day, I think it was like January. January? No, it was January 1st or December 30th. It was when the last robbery happened. I can't remember exactly. I'd have to look. But we had gone, you know, to a fast-frew joint. It's not like a small one. It wasn't a chain or anything. But his time it goes in, gets the money, comes out, we flee, counts up the money, and it's not even a hundred bucks. like not enough to say well and so she's like we need to do another lick i'm like um where you want me to go you know like i couldn't say no yeah because that's just at this point the dynamic is i do what time and tells me to do and i'm scared shitless every other way without her and you know

i was i was trapped i felt trapped um you're you're also on this on this this this pattern you're you're you're on this train at this point. Getting off the train doesn't change much. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, you're robbing the bank. I mean, you know, you're the get, being the getaway driver in the eyes of the law, you might as well be going in with the gun. I got exact same charges that she had gotten.

Right. But, you know, as far as where she directed me to go, I, in my mind was like, this is not a good idea, but I couldn't say anything because it was less than a mile from where we had just robbed. Right. And her thinking was all the cops are going to be over there so we can get away with doing it just over here. And it was some place that she had decided while ago

that she wanted to rob dollar store. I didn't know why. But she had me park around the corner. And I was facing the street that the store was on. And she hops out of the car. She goes around the corner. Not even a full minute, I think, maybe a minute, went by, and I see a police cruiser going down in the direction on that cross street

in the direction that Simon had gone. And part of me was saying, you need to leave. You need to leave right now. And then the other part of me is like, oh, you're going to just leave Simon to get caught. And, yeah, I can't do that. I can't just leave her. However, I do believe she would have left me in a fucking hot second. But not even another minute goes by.

And here comes Simon trucking around the corner with a cop hot on her heels. Start the car. Start the car. She runs around, jumps in the passenger seat. And I see a hole. I mean, I've started the car, but I see a hole appear in my windshield. Before I even registered that I'd heard a gunshot. This hole appeared.

and then a second gunshot and I'm like I like lay it down over the jockey box I don't know what I did to like the car ended up turning off somehow I knocked it into neutral but I had to lay down like as flat as I could get

and I had my head behind the passenger seat because I still had my fucking seatbelt on so I'm strapped to this car and this cop is laying you know shot after shot after shot like he was 20 feet from the driver's side of the car of the car and all of the shots were coming at me um unbeknownst to me simon had jumped back out

and was hiding behind my car so basically i'm caught you know between his shooting and her potentially shooting and i'm just screaming please stop stop stop stop like all the flack on the that hit my arm that all the stuff on the inside of the door you know the car door was all exploding as the bullets were hitting it and just i mean my arm was black from bruises from not well did i i'm gonna did i miss something like simon went into the store she went to go go into the store oh the cop the cop that passed by saw her oh he turned around and came back and you didn't see him come back no she was around the corner so it's kind of hard without i'm i'm sitting on a side street and I'm about

three car lengths in the side street from the cross street. That's where I was waiting for Simon. Simon went around the corner to the north and that would take her past a backyard a burger

joint and then the dollar store was right next to that. Okay. She was in the parking lot of the dollar store. The cops saw her walking going, walking into the store pulled out or pulled in got out and was like let me let me see some ID and I thought he kept you when you explained it you said you saw him drive by like I thought

he just kept going maybe I struggle this is why I struggle with telling the story because there's so much of it it's hard to make sure that I'm covering all of the vital details right I'll I'll do that while I'm talking I'll be like oh did I tell them that no wait because all of it kind leads one thing into the next right so he whipped around stopped his car said give me your id and she just took out of his car in the parking lock and said like i need your ID um and you see your hands whatever takes off running he leaves his cruiser and chases her on foot okay right so they both come around the corner on foot and you know she jumps into the car and he just starts shooting Now, in the police report, he says she fired first, but I know that's not true.

Right. His gunshot wasn't right next to my ear for a shot to go through the windshield. She would have been right next to me. Like, I wouldn't be very aware of that gunshot. Right. I saw the hole appear before I registered. I'd heard a gunshot, and he never stopped shooting. One after another after another, like I think he went through 17 rounds, which is,

a clip and then some right like did he reload or i don't know i think there's some a lot yeah yeah you're right i think a five people at clip and one in the chamber would be 16 but there were 17 shots actually he must have emptied his clip because i think one one of the shots was simons at some point simon did fire her weapon um and that's what allowed us to escape like all of a sudden shooting stops simon's pulling at me he's here you okay we're Yeah, yeah. Are you okay? I'm like, start the car. Let's go. My car's riddled with bullet holes. I'm trying to start it. I'm trying to start it. It won't start. I don't know what's wrong with it.

I didn't realize I had knocked it into neutral. So, of course, it's not going to start. And then I start smelling gas. I'm like, it's flooded. You know, inexplicably, this cop is nowhere to be seen. I don't know where he went. I'm like, we have to run. We have to leave the car. So we get out and we go running down the street. and we see several houses down a little minivan pulling into a garage and they leave the garage door open as we're running we run into the garage we jump into that vehicle i'm looking around seeing if i can find keys anything simon's like ripped off her fake mustache and dropped it in the garage whatever

and we were in the car just a few seconds and another car pulled up behind us in the driveway this the, I guess the mother and the son had been in the minivan, and the father and the daughter were in the other car. So, Simon jumps out, jumps into the front passenger seat and was like, you're going to help us. And he's like, nope, get out of my car. Get on my car. I come around his side. And I'm like, so I'm really sorry, but we're going to take your car. I'm really sorry. But yeah, we need your help. I'm not helping you guys get out of my car. I'm like, sir, we do have a gun. The most polite carjacking in the history of carjacking. I'm sure. I was just like, I'm so sorry, you will get your car back, but we need to take it.

You know, we're going to take it. And I open up the back door and tell the little girl, I couldn't get out of the car, honey. She gets out. I open his door. He gets out. Buckle up. I look around and make sure I know what I'm doing, how to operate this vehicle. And then we just drive away calmly.

He goes inside, calls the police. Sure, he did. Yeah. It took a little bit of time for them to put together that we must have been the ones that carjacked the car. Right. But that night, like, Simon was down on the floor of the car and, like, just stay down there. We're going to be fine. We're going to be fine.

I'm like going around to the freeway, get stopped at a light. There's a cop on the other side. I'm like, just light a cigarette, you know, trying to be as casual as possible, hoping he doesn't flip around. and come after us and he didn't um so we were able to escape that night um and that that led to the next four days which were our last four days what did you do with the car we just left it um behind an apartment building a few blocks from a friend's house that we were hiding out at she was another drug addict and we just gave her drugs and she let us be there she didn't care about anything else that was happened she didn't ask she didn't care

so at first when we got back the like the next morning simon's like i need to go home i need to go home like you're not leaving me now i have no car do the police have my car and i have i'm you're not leaving me now there's no way i won't let you know basically and so she stayed and um you know she had her truck we didn't do any more robberies but we did we came close she almost robbed a drug dealer and then chickened out the police have your car

they know it's your car they've tracked the registry did they get to go to your ex-husbands yes they contacted I had out of state plates the car was registered to my mother she had given me the car So they called her first And then they called my ex-husband

I called my sister My twin sister They were looking for me And that's how they found That's how they got Simon's name Or like if you're looking for Sandra She's going to be with this person So you're looking for them both

So they go to her house Talk to her Parents I'm sure I mean was this on the news Like it was on the news All the robbery is on the news Yeah The shootout

was on the news all the robberies had been on the news and then after this happened they really started putting them all together and saying oh this is a crime spree right um we're looking for this woman like me had my picture from the dmv everything your picture her picture probably there's two of them they're together yeah so the first reports they didn't have her name yet they weren't sure if it was a male or a female it was after they spoke with my family I think it was my twin that said, you know, Simon is the love of her life and she does everything by Simon's bidding and, you know, she, I guarantee you that she is with her right now. And she says this on the news and it was put out on the news. Simon had told me she would rather die than have her parents know that she was gay.

And I think she saw that police report the night before she died. She got up the morning that it happened. And she was out of Suboxin, so we needed to kick, we knew it. So she was going to go to the pharmacy to get a prescription field. She made it to the pharmacy, but police had already located her truck. It was just a little ways away from where we were staying. And they put a tracker on it. So when it moved, they knew she was on the move.

She woke up that morning and she was going to go to the pharmacy. I'm like, oh, I'll come with you. She's like, no, no, stay here. Stay here. I'll be back. I'm like, be careful. And she left. She drove to the seating park in the parking lot even at the store.

She parked a little ways away, went to the store. got the Suboxone, and when she was coming back to her car, she gets into her car and then immediately is surrounded by police or truck. They get out and they surround the vehicle. And, you know, what I know of what happened that day is only like what I saw in the police reports and what I've seen in news reports since I got out because I didn't see any of that until I was released. but in the police report it said that an officer standing behind her vehicle

shot her because she said he looked she turned and looked me dead in the eye and put it in reverse and floored it and so for all those years I was in prison I was like that sounds like something she would do I'm not surprised that's something she would do and was when I was looking it up after I got out and I saw a picture of the scene and she had cars close on both sides of her there's no way she was going to floor it and reverse it into anybody they executed her but she didn't immediately give up

and that was within a half an hour of her leaving that morning Thank you.