Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Truth About Being Arrested...(FULL PODCAST)

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

Zach and Matt talk about what it's like to get arrested... 

Yeah, so the bank, when the bank opens, I'm there with two cops, walking in with two cops. You imagine how does that feel? Lousy. In somebody else's name. Today we're going to talk about a topic that Zach picked, which was multiple arrests. And what it's like. I don't think that's the topic I pick. I think that's the topic I've lived.

So what is it about, is it, are you going to talk about, like, are we going to talk about, like, are different arrests or just going to the, just funny arrest? or, because I've got like three. Well, any of them funny? I mean. I mean, no, none of them felt funny. Like, even looking back, they didn't feel funny. No, at the time, no arrest is funny. But then, like, eventually you look back, you go, that, that was kind of funny.

You know what? Yeah. You know, the police officer's reaction, kind of like, yeah, whatever. Well, yeah, so you want to just go over that and go over the whole process or just? Yeah, we can do that. All right. You start. I'll follow your lead.

Go ahead. All right. So multiple arrest, of course, a lot of my life, let's say that, or at least my 30s. So one arrest happened to my wife and I, when we were partners in crime, we used to come down to Florida all the time. And what we do is we would book a hotel room for ourselves and kind of say, hey, this is Matt and I want to pay for a hotel room for Zach and his wife. So I'd call the hotel. The hotel said, yeah, we'll let you do that. Here's what you have to do.

You have to fax us a copy of the front and back of your ID and the front and back of your credit card. Right. So once they did that, I'm like, so I get all these card numbers. All I do is get a fake ID, fax the front and back of that, and put a credit card on, what is it? What is that called? The program where people make driver's licenses and things. Pro shop, not pro shop. Photoshop.

Photoshop. There. Thank you. Help me out. So go on Photoshop, create a credit card, MasterCard Visa. So now I can book a hotel room

with somebody else's credit card. They don't even know it. All I need is the number. Right. So I do the Photoshop thing and I fax it over to the hotel. So you do that and generally what happens

is the reason I felt that was safe is because the hotel authorizes the card for the stay. So when you get there, they don't actually charge the card they're just doing authorization. Right. And then when you leave is when they charge the card.

By then, you've already had to use the services. Yes, and you're gone. And eating and everything. Right. So that's what I normally did. So we would come down to Florida and we'd stay at the, I think it was the Hilton on the causeway. And we'd use somebody else's card. So we did that once.

And then we'd do it again using somebody else's card. Then we'd do it again using somebody else's card. Because my wife really loved that hotel. So we'd stay there all the time. Get the same room, the staff knew us and everything. So after about the fifth trip. This is the over cocky. Yes.

On about the fifth trip, I guess they were waiting on us. So we booked the room, used somebody else's card, and went up to the room. So we went there and the people greeted us like normal. So obviously they didn't tell the staff members downstairs. Right. The police kind of kept it to themselves. So we go up, so we're greeting the staff down there. we're hugging everybody like we normally do we got to your same room and everything so we go up up to

the room to check in so we walk in the room and there was always an adjoining room to the to that the same room we stayed in it was in a joining room so we walk in and dude comes out of the adjoining room and just walks in so I'm looking at him I'm like like just like this white guy stocky I said hey hey come on in don't let the fact that the door was closed slow you down from walking in our frigging room. Who the hell do you think you are? Right? He doesn't say anything.

He just keeps walking, right? Until I grab him. And that's when he's like, hey, that's when they grab me and throw me up against the wall and announce that they're the police. We're the freaking police. You've been down there stealing the services all the time. Yeah, they arrested us for that. That was the arrest.

So they put me in cuffs. They handcuffed my wife, cut her off to another room to squeak of the confession out of her. and handcuffed me and sat me on the bed. So they went through all of our luggage and stuff and hauled us down to the police station. The funny thing about that is they charged us for what we had on us and they never charged us for any time

that we stayed at the room. So the cost of the rooms, they didn't charge you for? They didn't charge us for the cost of the room or anything. Why they charged for what you had on you? Yes, we had like IDs, fake IDs. Oh, okay. And the stuff we were going to do,

that's what they charged us for. Because you were flying down to Florida to also while you're down here hanging out. You're also committing fraud. Of course. Of course. That's your job. So the funny thing about that, right, is what my lawyer told me was it's like because they could never prove that you were the, neither one of y'all admitted that you were the one faxing the credit card and the ID down. So they could have been anybody running that part of the scam. Right.

Okay. They just. Like I wonder if they had grabbed. you and they and it was just you and your wife and the IDs were valid and you didn't have anything on you like most likely they might have let you go as a matter of fact that is what happened because I have been doing that for years and so um I did it for other people so one of the couples that I did that for like they called us up and the guy was telling me all he kept saying was I can't believe we didn't go to jail he goes there was so many police

that came in that room and searched us and went through everything and he goes they just let us go like okay get out like gladly did tell me twice

no problem what's do you want me to do one yeah was that so they did arrest you so what happened so you got arrested for what back to your thing

they did arrest you you went downtown you got processed oh yeah we got processed they went through all our stuff. So then they, you know, they asked me questions. I'm a jerk. When they ask questions, I become a jerk, you know, because, like, they'll go, okay, what's your name? Right.

I'll go, it depends. I'm a real jerk. So they, they, like that detective, when he asked me that, and I said, depends. He just got up and walked off. So what, what happened? Did you do time? No, I got, I got like four charges. I bonded out.

And I ended up. ended up dropping them all. I think I only got one, ended up with one charge. And that, that charge was, while I was living in Florida, I rented some, I rented something from Buddy Byright, right, and then ended up, because I had to go on the run. I left Florida because I went on the run. Right. So I bought something from Buddy Byright, went on the run, and never paid them off.

Well, now if you buy it from a rental company, that's, I didn't know that was a charge. They call it theft. Why, you stole it. Yeah, but we had a contract I didn't honor. Yeah, F that, you stole our shit. Yeah, you would think it would be. It would fall under like a civil, kind of like a civil suit. No, you know, they, they petitioned the legislation to charge people with that.

That's an unbelievable feat that they've done. But yeah, they said I stole it. That was the only charge that I got convicted on on that, on that arrest in that hotel. Okay. So, all right, so one time I had, this is funny because, like, I wrote my. like I wrote up I wrote my book right right and this is a whole thing that happened during that whole process that I never talk about like I had an arrest I never mentioned in the book because the book's already like 90 it's like a hundred and it's like over a hundred thousand words it's over

three it's a 330 page book and it's like it's just out it's it's long because there's so much fraud and there's it's you know and there's other things that are happening there's relationships and dating different girls and doing whatever so you know you have to kind of say, what frauds do you want to focus on? So there's a little section that I, like, removed. Well, I was like, you know, that's just more of the same. Don't even mention it. So I'm going to mention this frog.

And I've never actually talked about this fraud. I mean, this arrest, I've never really talked about it. You've heard it. Okay. I'm sure you've heard about it when we were locked up. Like, I've told you this story. But nobody else says I've never talked about it on concrete or anything. So, like, value tainment.

None of those shows I talked about it. Matter of fact, like American Greer, All those shows never covered this. So what happened was one time, and it's funny because I was, so anyway, I had, there was this guy who was, I want to say his name was Walter Bean.

That sounds familiar. That does sound familiar like that. Bro, like I've, that's how long ago and how much fraud there is. That was the identity you were. Yes. Well, I have heard the story.

I stole the guy. He was a drug dealer. Right. So I had a friend, by the name of Johnny Moon, whose father used to live with this guy and buy drugs from this guy, right? So, you know, he was a drug addict. So one of his customers stayed on his couch a few times. So Johnny Moon was a friend of mine. He knew where this guy lived. And he, we drilled by the house one day. And he goes, hey, he said, you see that house right there? I said, yeah,

he said, the name of that guy, that guy's Walter Bean. He actually, it's funny. He goes, he owns that house right there's a drug dealer. And he goes, in his nice house, it was worth, whatever. Like, I'm going to say 200,000. I forget exactly what the amount of the house was. but it's worth a couple hundred thousand I was like it wasn't a great area right but I was like oh nice and so we were driving it and I thought huh so is a drug dealer he's a drug dealer that owns that house I says is he own it free and clear and he goes I don't know he might I think so because I think his parents bought it for him he was to be honest he was like he's parents have money or something my dad told me I forget and I remember thinking he goes but he's been

arrested a bunch of times like that's all he does is sell drugs And I thought, what a great victim. Like, if you have to rob somebody, you know, if you have to cause somebody some problems and do something, like, do it to a criminal. Do it to somebody that they're not going to look at it. We're not going to run around and try and solve your crime, Mr. Drug Dealer. Somebody encumberance the title to your home and caused you a bunch of problems and borrowed some mortgages.

Like, we're not going out of our way for you. So what I thought. Ironic, you got arrested on that. But go ahead. so that property it's so funny because i i went downtown i searched the title and there was no there was no um there was no um there was no mortgage on it it had been bought free and clear so i i go i look up the house i look in public records there is no mortgage so i go and i then i ran his i ran oh i know what it was i created another identity

or did I find his social security number? I don't know. Oh, I know what it was. I looked up his arrests. Yes. And I found his social security. He'd been arrested so many times over such a long period of time

that if you actually went and you actually got their arrest record, it actually had his social security number like written on it or something, I forget. You know what a lot of times, the Freedom of Information Act, listen to this. A lot of times they would actually take white out, you know, the whiteout sticks,

and they would white out. So you're white, I'm not just, you can scratch it off. They would actually go, oh, here's this police report from 1995 and they take like a whiteout stick and they go, eh, eh, right over your social security number and then they mail it to you. And then I just, there you go, two seven, seven, no, you know.

So somehow another, I think, I want to say I got his social security number. I still long ago, I can't remember. Regardless, I came up with a credit profile for him. Didn't, I think it wasn't great credit, whatever, but he did own a house worth 200,000. So then I applied for several mortgages in his name. I had a buddy of mine, this is how I get caught, by the way. I have a buddy of mine who was an appraiser.

His name was Robert Toma. Robert Toma then did an appraisal on the house, never went in the house, used pictures from other houses, put it together. And then I actually, instead of using Robert Toma's appraiser, he doesn't want, obviously he doesn't want to be listed as the appraiser. I used the appraisal of another person, another appraiser. I'm going to fast forward because this is whatever. The point is that I borrowed like three mortgages on this house, probably $150,000 on each mortgage, like $400,000. I went and opened up bank accounts in his name,

and then I borrowed the money, went to closings, got the money, put the money in the bank, and was removing money from the bank. While I was removing money from the bank, what ended up happening was one of those mortgage companies saw the appraisal and one thing was off on the appraisal. It said, instead of it saying it was in an urban area, it said it was in a rural area. So they contacted the original appraiser to tell, ask him if he could change that. And he said, I didn't do that appraisal. And guess what? He happened to be a retired sheriff's deputy.

well retired sheriff's detective or investigator whatever they call them he contacted them contacted their fraud department they looked into the whole thing they came back they set up a sting they follow me from one of the banks they they staked out the uh like the uPS store that i at that time it was called they were called mailboxes etc had a mailboxes etc i went to in the middle used to go to it like 11 o'clock at night i drive there when it was closed you had to have a key to get in you open your box, you get your box, they were there staking it out. They follow me for a couple of days. They arrest me.

Here's how they arrest me. By the way, they staked out my office too. So they were staking out my office and I was getting a divorce and I was thinking, that car's been over there a while. So I actually had one of my mortgage brokers actually said, I'm going to go find out who it is. He walked over to the car that was parked in the parking lot, watching, like been there for days. Right. You know, different cars.

but it was always like you could tell it was like that's a cop just sitting in the car right he walked over one day walks up to the window and the guy's just staring at him he rolls the window down and he goes excuse me he said um you've been sitting here for days what's what's going on the guy goes why are you approaching me he was approaching you because you're in the parking lot

he was actually across the street from our parking lot because you've been sitting in the parking lot we think you might be watching our place what's going on the guy goes don't approach me again walk away go back to your office do you understand what I'm saying? He goes, hey, bro, what's going on? The guy flashes a badge and he says, hey, he says, none of your business, what's going on. Go, go, go. And so the guy walks back.

That guy was Dominic Ferreira. That was one of my brokers. So he walked over there. So he goes back, whatever. So a day or two later. When Dominic brought that news to you, what did you do? You know what I thought? What? I thought that they were staking out another one of the businesses, or I thought maybe it's like when Dominic said he flashed a badge he's like an investigator Dominic said he might be a private investigator like maybe he's not a cop right he didn't say he said I didn't really see what the badge said he said I just left he seemed a lot serious so we started thinking maybe my ex-wife or my soon-to-be ex-wife was having me followed because it was that kind of a divorce it wasn't an amicable

divorce. Right. So I was like, man. So I was like, okay, so I'm still not thinking I'm in trouble. I didn't feel like I was in trouble until one day I went to go check my box and I was driving back in my car at an Audi TT Quadro when they had first come out. Love that car. So I'm driving this little Audi and I noticed it was a buddy of mine was with me and he said he noticed somebody was following me. I actually got into a high speed chase with the cops. But here. Here's a funny thing. You know how I knew the cops were following me? We got on I-75 because I was checking the box was in Brandon,

which is like a 20-minute drive from Tampa, it's another city outside Tampa. And so my office was in Tampa. So I got on I-75, and as I'm driving down I-75, he's like, I think that car back there is following us. But they've been here for this long, I saw them over here. I think that's a car. I was like, really?

So I pulled over and just stopped. The car pulled over and stopped. Get out of here. So now we've got this. Is that obvious? That obvious. Like, but they're just like, oh, my God. So I was like, oh, my God, the other day, one of my brokers, there was somebody parked

across the street. And I saw I tell him, I'm like, the guy they went out and then they checked and he said he was an investigator and he showed a badge. And of course, this guy's, this guy sitting next to me is like, what am I hanging out with you for? What's going on? You're an arch criminal. What are you doing?

I'm like, well, what happened? I'm like, oh, man. Okay, so there's this guy. I borrowed like three mortgages on his house I've been taking the money out He already knows I'm all corrupt And he's like Fuck I remember he goes

How do you think of these things He's like I mean I was like Bro I got bigger problems than Breaking this day Well how exactly did you I got an issue We're sitting on the side of the road yelling at each other

So I drive off the car Comes up behind me Keeps going follows us No problem Now we realize like there's two cards So then I try and lose them right at one point i think i lose him and then he sees we see another car and we're like okay then i race around in the back so i'm really racing around at this point then at one point i think i've

lost both of them but then when i go back to the office i pull up in the office one of them's like already at the office and another one pulls up and it's like okay they're doing some kind of chase you down thing that i don't know how to do and doesn't matter anyway because they already know where i'm at and one of those cars was the car that was across the show like i'm done so at the end the end of the day, I go to pick up my son, I jump in my car, I take off, I'm driving down these little back roads, driving around a little lake. Like, there are back roads, you know, in Florida, like there's lots of little, you can have a major city. And then in between intersections, there's these little tiny back roads that go around little ponds and they're in the

middle. And so I'm kind of driving fast and everything. And then I, then I realize they're behind me. And then as I'm going, I'm like, oh, shit, this guy's behind me. I'm going to pick up my son. I don't want this guy, like, I don't want to be in, this guy chasing me around with my son in the car and I'm like oh man I remember looking at him and looking up and this car pulls up in front of me and then there's a next thing I know cop car car no sorry sheriff sheriff like boom boom I'm like I lock up I'm like holy man bro this is like three caught three or four cop cars there's a couple undercover cars they jump out they pull their guns they do the whole thing all on a mortgage all because of a couple of mortgages and an identity theft so here's what I found out had happened what had happened was

When they found out the whole thing, they actually went to Walter. Walter Bean. I really want to say it is Bean. Yeah, it was Bean. So Walter, they went to Walter Bean. They actually, because he's a drug dealer, they brought him downtown, they questioned him.

They insisted it was him. They were ready to throw him in jail. He's screaming, it's not him. He doesn't know anything about it. They search his house. They really put like this guy through hell. And they come back. And, but they let them go because they were like, we couldn't find anything.

And you have to understand this. This is the worst part. Colby, this is going to lose us some subscribers. So here's the worst part. Keep in mind, this guy's a scumbag, okay? Oh, okay. So he's a scumbag. So don't judge me on this.

I don't want to hear any crap. Fuck you. Okay? It was at a bad time. It was a bad time. He was selling drugs to kids. He was selling drugs to kids. There you go.

And pregnant women. Hard drugs. Like marijuana and ecstasy. No, I'm just joking. I don't know what he was selling. Anyway, so my goal, you know what I was going to do? What? Oh, God, this is so bad, bro.

Colby's laughing. So the appraisal's in his name. Everything's in his name. So they think it's him all the way. They just took his idea. Yeah, but you know, luckily, like, luckily for him, the people that I'd gone to the closing with are all basically when they're being shown a picture of him, they're like, ah, that they can't idea him. that might be him might not I don't think so I don't know he was significantly older than me at that point I was in my early 30s he was in his in his late

white guy yeah mid to late 50s though and so they're thinking that you are the guy that came to the closing they're thinking he is the guy that came to initially but nobody could ID him but they're trying to ID him off of you saw this guy a month ago and a little little black and white picture that's been copied multiple times now so it's like it's not him it could be him he could be working with him like they don't don't know. Right. He probably knows him. So he's involved in it. He's been in drug. He's been in state prison three or four times. He's been arrested 15 times. I mean, you know, he's, he's involved. It's a scam. So I was literally my whole plan when I had gotten all the money out and I'd gotten out a couple hundred thousand dollars. When I'd gotten out the whole thing, my plan had been to take the appraisal and mail it to him. Think about it. If you own a house and you get an appraisal in the mail that you ordered. Right. On your house, everything was his name, his name, his name, and is it a full appraisal?

You wouldn't throw it out. Like, if it just got it from some random appraisal, appraiser, they didn't even have to have a return address. Right. I just stick it in your mailbox. You're not going to throw it out. So he would have kept that, and that would have raised the value of his property. Raise the value. What are you talking about?

When the cops had searched his house, they would have found. Oh, they found the appraisal. Think about it. That's the appraisal. You're putting a nail in his coffin. Oh, it was worse than that. I had bought dummy cell phones I was going to take the dummy cell phones

wipe them down and I was going to leave them in his front door like in a box if you walked out your front door and you saw a cell phone a brand new cell phone in a box or you're not going to pick it up and throw it in the garbage you're going to take it inside you're going to think somebody delivered this by accident I need to keep this what if they come by and he's a skum bag

he's most likely going to pull it out and fucking open it and try and use it or maybe sell it whatever he's going to keep it like I was basically going to take all of these a lot of this stuff and drop it off at his house most people are going to pick it up and bring it inside so that i knew if he ever got his house got searched which i assumed it would be they're going to find a lot of the stuff that he says he doesn't know anything about you had the appraisal you had like the laptop all these doc i had a laptop i had a laptop i had bought specifically

and i'd written up all the documents on the laptop so you've got a laptop in your house that has all the documents on it right everything's in your name you've got the cell phones that were all used and could you imagine him sitting there with the cell phone on him and the cops are like so you don't know anything about this no i don't and they called the number and he goes oh hold on a second i go yes yes what oh why are you calling me this is the number that was used oh no no see what what happened was someone dropped this off in my front door i've been using the phone sure you have i I mean, he would have been, look, the fake pay stubs that I had made were on the laptop that he had. So, I mean, he's going to have some, he's going to have some splaining to do.

You know what I'm saying? Right. It's going to be an issue. Right. For old Walter. And don't judge me, okay? I know you guys out there, you're judging me. You're saying, what a scumbag.

Stop it, okay? This isn't a school teacher. Anyway, point is, what happened was I did get arrested prior to being able to. So they arrested you that day? that they followed you and threw the back. Yeah, it's actually still, yeah, it was like the day they, oh, yeah, the day they tracked me. Oh, they arrested me. They grabbed me. They handcuffed me. I remember when they searched my car, at the time, I had a concealed weapons permit. So they find a gun. But I have a concealed

weapons permit. They find bullets. Like when they're like grabbing all this stuff and they're like, this is what cracked me up. When they're grabbing all this stuff, they're like, oh, weapon, boom, that's an extra this much. Oh, you got a bullet. You got bullets. Oh, that's an extra this much. And I want the concealed weapons permit. Bro, what are you talking about? Like it's in my wallet you know i mean they're like like how did they i was wondered about this how did you do all this research into me arrest me and not know i didn't have a concealed weapons permit like you would think that would come up but anyway that's the whole thing about the government the left hand doesn't always know what the right hand's doing well true but they didn't know really who you were well they

at that point they had my car they knew my they had my tag they're going to my office they're going to a mortgage office yeah like they know mortgages are involved and they just know you from going to the box they knew me from following following me in my car. And I thought, and I would, look, had the appraisal not, had the appraisal had that one box had urban instead of rule on it and they not had to call that appraiser. You would have got away with that sky. Oh, I would have gotten away.

Because think about it, by the time I got the money out, I never go back to the box. So by the time two months later when these properties, these, these loans start to foreclose, these lenders start to foreclose on this guy. And he goes to the police and says, look, these guys are, this is what happened. and I don't know what's going on. By that point, you know, by that point, I'm never, you know, the only things they had was they had a UPS box, mailboxes, et cetera. You know, they've got a couple, I've got like an abandoned address where I was also getting mail,

but it was a house I had no association with. But it was a clean house. It was up for sale or it was for rent that I would get cards to. Listen, I'd even had stuff mailed to his house and drove by and opened the thing and grabbed it out of his box, like knew when it was coming, went and got it. So I've even got stuff being mailed to your house. I mean, and even if he had gone to them and said, hey, I'm being foreclosed on. I don't have anything to do with it. And they go, and they go, do you mind if we look on through your house? Sure, no problem. He's not smart enough to realize the appraisal that I got in the

mail a month ago or two weeks ago or two months. He's not smart enough to know that. He's not smart enough to realize, hey, that laptop that I've been, that I got somebody left. He's not going to be thinking any of that. Right, right. My point is, he's going to basically, oh, yeah, you can look around. Sure. They're going to be like, oh, nice laptop. Yeah, yeah, thanks. I appreciate that. Like, he's not going to say, oh, I found it and I've been using it. You know, he's a scumbag. Yeah, he wouldn't even associate that. Right. He doesn't, nobody, people don't know how the process works and they don't understand it. He does, he thinks he feels like I haven't done anything, so of course I'm going to be an open book. Right. Not realizing that the law enforcement will take the,

the path of least resistance. We have enough to convict. you. Does it look like it's possibly not you? Yeah, we think you could be set up, but no way a jury believes that. Arrest them. Like they don't care. Right. We got, you know, it's like grab a somebody, round up the usual suspects. Anyway, they took me down, when they arrest me, they put me in the back of the car, they take me downtown, they processed me. That was the first time I'd ever been arrested. That was rough. Because I was, first of all, I was cocky. I was kind of cocky at first. right but then you spend that first night in jail you had to spend the night oh i spent like two or three come on there's like there's like two three hundred thousand dollars missing so they're they're not

saying oh there's 20 000 there's like 300 400 thousand dollars in mortgages right there's like 150 150 150 it's like 450 000 and i had was still draining the accounts but i still had a couple hundred thousand so there's a couple hundred they seized that well i had to tell them where it was they did seize it but i also had to tell them like where it was because a lot of the money was like in cash like I had some money in cash. Listen, they actually had brought me to I had opened up a bank account and a safety deposit box. They brought me. Yes, they know that stuff. They brought me there to open it. Yes, when the bank opens, I'm there with two cops walking in with two cops. You imagine how does that feel? In somebody else's name. Like this isn't even in my name.

So they did that. Yes, they walked me in there. We go in, we sign it, we open the box. They open box they look they're like boom there's all this cash in there there's all kinds of stuff in there they're like oh they took everything took everything so you bonded out they the arrested you bonded out paid them paid the money whatever happened to that case well i mean i i got i was placed on probation i gave them all the money back so i'm good but the thing is um keep on i was at that point like i needed to stop that case for a very specific reason i was running additional scams so I'm, at that point, I borrowed money in the name, I was, at that point, I was already borrowing the money in the name of Lee Black of, of, um, yeah, blue, green, yellow, silver. Like, I'm already running another scam. You just happened to catch me on this scam. Like, I've got to put, I got to, what do you need me to do? Like, I got to shut this down as quick as possible. And the whole time I'm lying to them. They're like any other, uh, nope, nothing. This is it. You got me. You got me, coppers. What do I need to do to get probation? So I get probate. And this is the thing, too.

Like, I can't eat. There's not like I can cooperate. It was just me running the scam. Like, the only involvement of anybody else was Johnny Moon who didn't even know what's going on. I'm driving by, Don, hey, look at that. And I thought, roll at X, put that in my mental roll at X, look that guy up. Like, so Johnny Moon knew about a lot of the scams, but he didn't really, wasn't involved in that scam, you know. So it's, I'm the only person involved.

So I paid them back immediately. pled guilty. You didn't include that in the story, but I do remember that. Yeah, I didn't include it because it's it in and of itself. That could be, that could be, well, it's irrelevant in the context. Like, there's lots of little scams I was running. Like, do I talk about the one scam where I did this and I made $80,000? No, it's silly. Like, that's five pages. That story I just told you just now, that's an extra 30 pages in a book. I'm already at 330 pages. It's not like I don't already have enough good stuff. Right, right. Like, that's just stupid. That's a whole, that right there is a whole crime. That's a whole story in and of itself. Instead, I, so I already had tons of those stories. So, plus I got arrested by the local cops.

It was embarrassing. The local cops. It wasn't feds. It wasn't anything spectacular. Yeah, it's the locals and it was embarrassing. I got arrested by the locals. I mean, come on. Seriously?

It's a little shame. Understood, understood. I felt like I'm, you know, I don't commit state crimes. It's embarrassing. And I thought that's all I committed was state crimes. No, you get, no. All right, so second arrest, another arrest that was funny. It happened in, it happened in department store and Sears.

Now, what we and my wife... It's already embarrassing. It is. So we had bought a house up in Georgia, and we wanted a washing machine and a dryer. So what we had, learn my wife and I learned about can't just buy it can you no you just can't buy it and we had the money that's yeah I know you do I've I've had I remember these conversations and in in Coleman which like where you've got you've got you've got two three four hundred thousand dollars and then

you're still committing fraud for like a three hundred dollar this or a four hundred dollars it's like you had 400 thousand in cash what are you doing I know I hate to pay for stuff like so so what it happened was we had discovered um what they call instant credit now we found this out in Target. So we get a fake ID. So we would pull someone's credit score. I think we had a contact that would give

us people with close to 800 beacon credit scores. So we would get a fake ID in their name and we used to go into Target and like with a fake ID and that person would say hey well you want to apply for the target card. We were like, yeah. So they'd put in your

social. Right. And then they put in your date of birth and the address. And then If you got approved, they would print you out a receipt that you could use as your temporary card. I remember you had a LexisNex account, right? Yes, yes, we did. Well, that was for instant credit. In some cases, they would ask you questions. That was like Circuit City or Best Buy.

Well, this one was Sears. So, well, it was different. I'm just kind of explaining the instant credit. But sometime it did require knowing the background. They'd ask you what color was the G. that you drove yeah in college well the jeep that you currently drive what color is it right and that they would ask you stuff like what was the name of your roommate in 19 and 2000 Lexus Nexus joined all that information together

yeah so when we had the report so we had the same report they had so when when that would happen my wife we used to put the little earbuds in and my wife would be in your ear so they'd ask the question and you'd repeat it so you'd be on the phone and you say okay my name of my roommate that I I lived with in college. Let's see. My college years was 89. Yeah.

And my wife would be like, oh, his name is Timothy Johnson. Yeah. Oh, that was Timothy Johnson. You know what I'm saying? So that's how she feeds you the info. And once you answer those questions, they go, when you've been approved for 15 grand, and so then you would be like will of fortune,

I'll take the 70-inch television for $2.99. You got $6,749 left. I'll take the Washington. You got $3,800. You know what I'm saying? That's how you would. So you'd pick items and, like, you want us to deliver it to your house? Absolutely not.

I have a U-Haul outside. So happened. But yeah, funny things. I rented a U-Haul this morning. Just loaded up with the other electronics, please. But anyway, so we're in Sears. We want a washer and dryer. So we decide to do instant credit.

So I put on an ID, which is what's crazy. I'm like 36, 37. I put on a guy that's 56, 36. My age, like, well, I'm not that now, but my age now, you know. So I put on a 56-year-old guy, and I'm in my 30s. So the woman enters him in. So my wife and I, we're in Sears. I don't exactly know what happened, right?

But we're in there lolly-gagging. So- Lolliggan. Let me tell you right now, Colby's never heard Lolligagging. Oh, well, we're in there, screwing around. That's a dated term. It is dated. I'm old.

I use Lolligagging. Or, you know, but we're screwing. Like, first of all, like, when I think about that, I remember because they had a outlet store, right, and it had a store in the mall. And my wife and I had a debate. I said, look, let's just go to the outlet store. She goes, no, no, no, no, the mall has the same thing. I remember thinking, but why do you want to go to the mall? I think it's more money.

So, like, she. You're not paying for it. I know, but. I still want to get a deal. what absolutely well she listen everything in me wanted to go to the outlet store she wanted to go to the mall right and i said i think the mall i think the outlet store is cheaper so she called and said nope the prices are the same so she called the mall and all of my objections she overcame so we went to the mall so it's her fault like in my mind i like to blame her you because i'm like i wanted

to go to the outlet store you know anyway but You know, it's probably my fault anyway for agreeing. I could have said, no, we're going to the outlet stuff. You just don't want the phone call. You're trying to avoid the phone call right now. Yes, yes. If only I'd listen to my wife. Well, I did.

It's a, if I had. Oh, yeah, yeah. All right, so we go to the mall. So we're in the mall. We give the woman the info. She types it in and we get approved. So we pick out the washer and dryer. So I think we have like five grand worth of credit left.

So she's like, did you guys want to get anything else? Do I? Yeah, of course. So let's look. around right so at some point we're looking around no what it is is we're asking them like can you bring the washer and dryer out so it feels like they're stalling us so the next person we talk to about our credit like i told you whenever i'm dealing with someone in the bank i kind of look for mannerisms of being nervous right because if if you know you're like an active crime you're and

this is not what you're normally used to you start getting nervous right so the next person we dealt with appeared extremely nervous, right? So somehow my wife and I separated, she was looking at something, I was looking at something else. So the next moment I deal with, she looked extremely nervous. So I'm talking to her, and I'm trying to make conversation and she's barely able

to answer my questions. I say to myself, okay, it's time for us to go. So I'm looking for my wife. I think this time we have cell phones, but I call her up and when we meet up, both of us are like, hey, let's get out of it. Like I said, hey, let's get out of here. She goes, yeah, because I-da-da-da-da-da, acting crazy. So

I'm like, okay, let's go. So we go to leave. We get out into the parking lot, right? Because they're calling us, hold on a second. We're going to get your watch and dryer. I said, we'll be right back. We had an emergency. We'll be right back.

So we go out, get in our car. So we're walking fast. Get in the car. Close the door. I start the car. And as I'm pulling out of the driveway, I see the police cars coming into the only entrance into the parking lot. So when they come, they go past us.

They're coming. as I'm looking in the rear view mirror, they're coming out of the store, that's them right there. They're pointing to the police. So they're pulling in and like, what? That's them. You pass them.

So they turn around. And we're pulling out of the parking lot. They start chasing us. Yes. Yes. They even tap the rear end of our car. Yeah. To stop.

That's how we stopped and they arrested us at that point in time. It's kind of like three minutes, like a minute or two earlier. if we'd have got that, like, panic. You could have been gone. We'd have been gone. Yeah.

We'd have been gone. But the fact that, like, right on the cusp of that, you know, we served nine months in jail on that deal. Yeah. Oh, Sears ain't playing around. Now, they were not playing around. How would you have to pay back? Well, we didn't get anything. You know, we didn't, you know, we just got to prove.

Right, right, right, right. But unfortunately, we had a couple of instant credit targets. get receipts on us. So by having that, we actually had charges in two counties. Yeah, you're right. This is like one of those things when I should have used some common sense. But the reason I thought that was hilarious is because my intuition told me something was wrong.

And I probably lingered about another three or four minutes because I was trying to be certain that something was wrong. When I was talking to that girl, I'm going like, I got a weird feeling. Right. Because I don't know if you've ever had that feeling of dread right before you get arrested. Like you're going, oh, I'm going to get arrested. Like something's really, really wrong. Right.

I think, I mean, I'm a big believer in intuition. Right. Only because most of the time, like, when I've dated some chick and I've been cheating on her and she's, you know, like everything's right. Like, I went to work. Like, everything's set up and you get back and the girl looks at you and she's like, where have you been? I was here. I was this. Something's wrong.

And you're thinking, there's no way she knows that I left during work in the middle of the work and went and had sex with this chick in a hotel room and came back. Like, there's no way. Like, there's no, but she knows. Like, she can feel it. And the truth is, you know, I've been the same situation where it's like, I know my girlfriend's cheating on me. Like, I can feel it. I know it.

It's not jealousy because I'm not a jealous person. So when that hits me, I know it. Right. And that's, it's just intuition. It's the same thing when you're locked up or, about to get arrested or you're doing something wrong and they're figuring it out or they're looking at you you're feeling like I can feel something's wrong that you something's not right with the way you're looking at me the way it's intuition there's no real it's just that like you

said it's just that feeling it's it's no way to put your finger on it like everything's going right right and and I'm sensing it I lingered too long because everything in me said turn and go now but I'm like I want to check and be sure so I started asking And as I'm asking her questions, like, I became more and more and more certain. And I didn't need that extra time. Like, really what I was doing was giving everything time to develop, whereas we would have got the hell out of there and been gone. Like, like, as we're pulling out for the cops to be turning in and pass us, like, we should

have been passing the cops up the street. Right. And got on the highway. Yeah. Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've talked to guys that were just like, knew something was wrong, knew something. But so what's the other, I mean, my other arrest is like it's... No, your major arrest when they surrounded you and he walks up to you and goes,

you're okay. The one that made national news? Yeah. News alert. Matthew Cox has been arrested. Yeah, that one was... The look on your face line. yeah well i mean i had another

when i was mad on the toilet oh oh i had another arrest where i was never even arrested like i like they just it was the fbi just called me up and this was because in the middle of this whole i was running a scam and this was what i went here the one about where you were actually cuffed and you talked your way out of the cuffs oh yeah yeah but that wasn't yeah yeah yeah but that's the one okay well i don't know how much time we got we're good okay because i was thinking about the time

Like, I'll tell you real quick, one time I got arrested, I didn't even get arrested. The FBI called me and said, like somebody I had been dealing with got in trouble, told the police what I was doing, got me on tape, went and had lunch with them. In the middle of the conversation, I realized they were wired, got up and I left, went back to my office. I put all this in the book. When I get back to my office, the FBI calls and says, hey, listen, you just come in. I was like, oh, okay. Like, even in the middle of the thing, conversation with the two people, I was like, oh, wow. like I'm being recorded like and I go man I hope you're getting something for this

and the chick actually says we don't have to go to jail and I went she says I'm mad I've got we've got two kids and I was like you I don't have a kid and I was like okay all right I understand I said tell the FBI not to come in my office just to call me on the phone and I got up and left I leave I get back to my office they called on the phone I missed you know my secretary says hey there's an agent Scott Gale on the telephone I'm like oh shit pick up the phone i'm like and she's standing at the doorway and i'm like hey and she's like i'm like yeah what's up and she's like yeah what's up and she's like the guy's like obviously you know why i'm calling and he didn't even pretend like like like there was anything

other than these you just been caught on tape and he asked for me to come in and i called i said okay i'll come in on monday and scheduled the time and then said i called got a lawyer talked to a few lawyers they put it off like hired this one lawyer he for 75 grand $75,000 to get to plead guilty. So he ends up, I end up talking, I never did talk to the police. I talked to him, he talked to the FBI. Like I never actually debriefed to the FBI. They told him this, he asked me, I said this, they came back, I said, no, that's not true,

that's not what happened. I borrowed this much money on this property on this. And I pled guilty and got three years probation, which ran concurrent with the other three years that I was on for the state one. Right. So, and there was no money loss. So that was like an arrest, but I never actually got arrested. So anyway, the other arrest that you're talking about was after I went on the run.

There could have been another arrest when they raided my office, but I actually had a friend of mine that was a sheriff's deputy who told me that they were coming to arrest me before they came to arrest me. So there was this huge investigation, and then it was handed to the FBI, and then he was going to, going to be he was mentioned during the investigation so there was a task force and one of the chicks on the task force he actually used to date so she came to him and said look your buddy cox he's about to be arrested by the fbi i mentioned you nobody knows that i know you so i'm telling you don't talk to him anymore so he then comes to me immediately like after i think he went to work that day he came at the end of day he came to me and said look man i just got off work he's in a sheriff's

outfit and everything. I just got off work. Here's what happened. Boom, boom, boom. They're coming to arrest you in a couple of days. I was like, holy shit. I took off on the run. They raided my office like a couple days later. I wasn't there. I'm gone. Another thing that happened was so then I was on the run for three years. I cover

all this in my book, by the way, which is also unaudible. So anyway, I was on the run for three years, borrowed a bunch more money. And then at one point, I was living with this chick in Nashville. So I'm living with her, and we're messing around with this other chick who's coming over and we're

all having sex. So she, at one point, the girl I was dating at the time, her name was Amanda, Amanda found out who I was. She knew I was on the run, but she didn't know my real name. And keep in mind, we're going all over the place. We're going to Italy. We're going to Greece. We're going to Croatia.

We're going to Mexico. Like, we've been all over the place on my fault, using my false passports. and she's using her real one. But she knows, like, she's like, this guy, he's got tons of money. He's committing fraud, but we're living great. So she's going with it. Well, at some point, we realize, I realized that the dateline, NBC was going to do a one-hour special on me. And I'd already been in a bunch of magazines.

So I'm already kind of nervous, but I'm also thinking I'm okay. Right. So there was that. So then, but she ends up telling the chick that we're fucking on the side. She tells her who I really am And that girl called the Secret Service and turned me in And they raid

Well they were waiting for me One day I pull up at my house And they just Get on the ground Get on the ground That was horrible That was the arrest for That was my final

That was the rest that Yeah never got back Let back out You're so you're talking about the one Where I got arrested in the bank And the bank And then they let you go Yeah that arrest

I explained your way out of it Yeah because But they didn't arrest me as Matt Cox. They arrested me as Gary Sullivan. So I was at the bank. I had borrowed like $1.3 million on a couple houses in Columbus, South Carolina. I remember this now. It's got it.

Gary Sullivan. That happens. I mean, right, Colby? You know what I'm saying. Like, if you had a dime every time. So I was in the bank and I was getting, I used to go into the bank and I would pull out money out of just various accounts. I probably had, I don't know, how many I had, eight or ten accounts. So I would go in and I'd say like every couple of days I'd go make a little circuit and I'd go get like 3,000, 9,000, 7,000, 8,000 out of different bank accounts.

And then I'd go and I'd drive back to Charlotte, North Carolina. That's where I was living. So it was like an hour and a half, two hour drive, maybe longer. Anyway, I'd gone in this one bank. It was a bank called Wachovia Bank, walked in, and I'd borrowed money from them. So I walked in and I said, hey, and I remember I walked. walked up to the, the chick at the counter was always very nice to me. Same thing.

She looked at me and I remember she looked nervous. Yeah. And I was like, and she always, because I was coming in every other day asking for money. Now, I'm also depositing money. Like I deposit like a $50,000 cashier's check from one of the other banks. So my balance wasn't draining. It was going up and down. up sometimes it would have 200,000, sometimes it would have $4,000.

Sometimes it would go up to 160, then it would go up to 200, then it would go down to, you know, 80. So they don't really, like it's so, it's varying so much, they're not thinking he deposited 200,000 into this account and he's draining it. Right. It doesn't really look like it's being drained. Right. So I'd go in one day and I ask for, I forget what I asked for, 5,000, 3,000. I have no idea, but it was under 10. So I say, you know, whatever, hey, I need $6,000.

But if it was, oh, anything of the time I ever borrowed more than $3,000, she always had to call and get permission. Because it was a new account. Right. So she goes, but I looked at her and she looked funny because she used to always say, hey, how was your weekend or how is this or how is that? Nothing. She was like, okay, thank you. I said, hey, I said, so how was it going? She was good, it's good.

She walked in the back. I remember thinking, it's weird. She walked in the back, waiting, waiting. and all of a sudden somebody reaches over my reaches over and grabs me by the wrist pulls my wrist back and somebody grabbed me by the other one I'm like what the and I look over and there's two two sheriffs deputies

massive guys they handcuffed me and say turn me around they take me into the and I remember he said he said I wasn't arrested he goes you're not you are not under arrest you were being detained I'm in handcuffs and you took me in the back room and I can't walk away

I don't care what you're calling it It was just arrested It's an arrest So they said We're waiting for an investigator To come down here And I remember thinking Because I was being

The Secret Service was looking for me And the FBI was looking for me Right At that time I remember thinking That it was the FBI For some reason It was coming

Because he said like Investigator or detective or something And I didn't know At that time I was a novice And I didn't really know The difference between those roles, even though, you know, like the FBI will call you an investigator. They'll call their guys because they do have FBI investigators.

Right. And those investigators are people that have been deputized into the FBI who are actually local people. Right. So you could be a local, you could be a local narcotics officer and be deputized into the DEA. And they'll call it. They won't call you a DEA agent. They call them a DEA investigative. And they're paid by the DEA.

Right. To help them with certain cases. Right. So he said investing, but I mean, but at that I knew nothing. Investigator was just no different than officer, agent, detective. They're all the same. So I'm waiting for the FBI guy to walk in. This guy walks in later.

He comes in. He walks in five minutes later. The police station was right at the street. He walks in and he says, uh, hi, uh, Mr. Sullivan. My name is, and he said Mr. Sullivan. So when he said, the cop. had been saying Mr. Sullivan, but I don't know if they're fucking with me or not. He walks

in and says Mr. Sullivan and I'm thinking Oh, okay. These guys think my name is Gary Sullivan. I'm okay. That's what you think. Yeah, I'm thinking this may be okay. And the guy says, hey, look, obviously the reason

we detained you, I even asked, I said, well, so why am I under arrest? Oh, you're not under arrest, you're just detained. I remember showing my handcuffs going, hey, you see my hand, I said, I feel like I'm under arrest. And he goes, oh, no, no, we can take those off. He was, take those off him. And I thought, I just got out of handcuffs. Not that I could run or anything. These guys are massive. These guys would chase me down in a second. So it'd be like two greyhounds chasing down like a little poodle.

A little, a little. No, a rabbit could get away from a couple of great greyhounds. So I'm built like a little, like a little, a little tank. I don't, I can't, I'm more like a chihuahua. I've tiny little legs, like a little chihuahua trying to outrun to, uh, two greyhounds. Right. Like, these guys are a big guy. Like, they're way bigger than me. So I remember thinking, okay, uh, I just got out of handcuffs. And the guy goes, so, um, the reason you've been detained is because he said, uh, apparently

you've borrowed three mortgages on, on this house on, on, and he named the house, like on Holloway Drive or whatever they name that. I forget the street, you know, on this house. And I looked at him and I go, is that a little. legal? Because I mean, obviously, one of the places I borrowed the money from was Wakobia. They know they got a mortgage on it. Right. So I already know everything you know. And I said, I go, is that illegal? And the cop goes, he goes, you know, I don't know. He said, I'm still waiting for the, uh, the, uh, or the district attorney to call me back. And I when he said that, I remember specifically thinking, I'm walking out of here. I'm walking out of here. I'm out of the handcuffs. He doesn't really know if I've committed a crime. Everything that walkobious, I mean, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm already like, I end up, and but here's the worst thing about that. You know what the most, the thing that had me the most anxious was that he said you have three mortgages on this property.

I had like six mortgages on the property. So I didn't know which mortgages, Wachovia. So as I'm talking to him, he somehow or another, I end up coaxing him into telling me who the other mortgage company or the other banks were. Right. And one was like SunTrust. One was Wachovia SunTrust, and the other one was like a fieldstone mortgage. So he's like, why did you, why do you have?

So he actually gets the head of Wachovia's fraud department on the line. And this guy is on the line with him and we're arguing back and forth, back and forth. And he's like, well, why do you have three mortgages? I'm like, I don't know. That's what the loan officer here told me to do. She said she could only give me so much money. She said she had a friend with, and I was like with, shoot, I got a second mortgage with the name of that company.

And then he goes, he goes, the other two is one's SunTrust and one's, you know, Fieldstone. I said, right. Second mortgage was Fieldstone because SunTrust did a whole bunch of home equity lines of credit at that time. So I like, untrusted.

So I didn't say SunTrust. So it makes sense. And that would, does that, that, that he lock, does that appear as a, as a mortgage on the house? It appears as a lien. A lien, that's right. Okay. So it's just, it's a he lock, a lien.

it's like a big credit card. Right. It's not like it's fixed rate or anything. They do have the terms written down. It's like a mortgage document. So anyway, so I, but you know, the guy, Wachovia knows this is all bullshit. But the cop doesn't. And the guy Wachovia is in like L.A.

So I'm explaining. One on the phone? The guy on the phone is in like Los Angeles of Wachovia and Los Angeles. He's mad, though. Oh, he's furious. He knows this is a scam. And the cop saying, well, wait a minute. We don't really know what happens.

happened here. And he's like, it's fraud. That's what happened. I'm thrilled. It's only three mortgages. I'm not in handcuffs anymore. I haven't been arrested. He's already told me he doesn't know what's going on. And I start explaining, no, no, you don't understand? I came into Wachovia. Their loan officer told me, I told them I needed to borrow like four or five hundred, five hundred thousand dollars. They said, I can't get that on your, on a first mortgage. But I have a friend that can get you a second mortgage. I'll get you a first. I'll send you to my friend over at Fieldstone. She'll you a second mortgage. I said, okay, I went to the second mortgage. She said, I'm sorry, our max loan amount is only this much. So I do have a friend that has a helock,

so you can get a helock on the rest of it. And she sent me to, she called her friend at SunTrust, and I filled out that paperwork. And so over the phone, you know, I did that. And these, they all were calling each other, and they arranged it. And they explained to me how I had to do it. And I closed the loan. I mean, I just, this is, I don't know. I'm like, I mean, I don't know. I mean, is that illegal? Like, I didn't do anything. Like, I called these, but I went to the bank. The bank's the one that told me what to do. And so he's like, yeah, no, yeah, that does make sense. The guy in Wachovia is screaming.

That doesn't make sense. Our loan officer would never do anything illegal. And so, but you know what made it so, what really got me to walk out of there was when he said, look, it's a scam, look at his ID. I'd actually gotten a real ID from the DMV, South Carolina Department of Motor Vehicles in the name of Gary Sullivan. So I actually have an ID in the name of Gary Sullivan. And so the guy of Wachovia says, so it's a real issued ID. Right. So the guy in Wachovia is telling him the detective or the investigator, listen, he's running a scam.

He's using a fake ID. The first three letters are like 0-0-0. Now, it just so happens that in South Carolina, their IDs start with 0-0.000. And he says to him, no, no, it's a real ID. RID start with zero zero zero zero and I lean in and I go oh come on bro now I'm not Gary Sullivan come on man what are we doing here the nerve what are we doing and he goes I know Gary I know I know so now even he's thinking this guy is off the hinges he doesn't know what he's talking about I've I've handcuffed this guy it sounds like the bank did something wrong like

why I'm hassling this poor guy now so he lets me he lets me follow him now he doesn't the guy on Wachovia is yelling so loud, he ends up telling him, look, you need to lower your voice. I don't even know what I could charge this guy with. I'm going to bring him downtown. We're going to fill out a police report, waiting for the district attorney to call me back to figure out what's going on, and I'll get back with you. He hangs up. He lets me follow him back to the police station. I go to the police station, go inside, fill out the police report, and he lets me go.

I get in the car, I drive to two more banks and pull out more money. I then go in on third bank And when I go in the third bank The people behind the cashier Like they see me and they like rush for the phone Like these two women almost bang into the phone Trying to get to it And I remember thinking

I'm like stopped And I'm like Looking around And I went Yeah I don't I don't want to talk to that detective again Like by now he could have talked to the district attorney or whatever They may put it together So I turn around

I get my car And when I drove off the woman runs out and looks at my tag number, which didn't matter because I found out later, he already had it. So anyway, I jump on the interstate and I leave. I mean, listen, that story is actually a lot longer because the whole time this is happening,

I've got this crazy chick that I was dating at the time who's on the run with me. She's screaming and, get on the interstate. I mean, she just, this woman was a fucking nightmare, bro. So I take off. Like, the whole story is a little bit longer and everything, and I go over all of it in my book shark in the housing pool. See, this is, look, Colby,

when I, like, when I do this, that like you gotta switch to me like all right shark in the housing pool like you got to buy that because i do the whole thing and it's on audible um yeah bro like that's hilarious like that story that is i remember that that oh and then it hit the newspapers oh bro it hit the newspapers like when it hit the newspapers like it was that whole story the whole well and they obviously they basically are like look the locals actually i think they think they actually say that they arrested me and that I convinced them. I talked my way out of it.

And the same thing. When they did this story on American Greed, they talk about that. They're like, this guy literally talked his way out of being arrested and they let him go. Like, it was, it was bad. That's classic. Like, is that illegal? Oh, yeah. What you went, oh, God.

Yeah, because I'm doing the whole golly, G. Whiz officer. I would have never. At one point, I said, when the guy from Wacobe, you got three mortgages in one house, is that illegal? What? that is actually that's not it's not illegal if if they but they were all first mortgages oh that's illegal that's illegal like i can't tell all the banks i don't have another mortgage right but but and they

were all first mortgages but think about it he doesn't know that the guy from wakovia knows it but he doesn't have the paperwork and the cop doesn't have the paperwork he doesn't know I'm saying it's a second you don't know enough of the specifics to be able to to get straight now right right so yeah so that that was uh yeah that was one of the things and uh yeah that was listen that there was a two week period of time after that arrest where it was absolute chaos i mean chaos i'm packing my whole my apartment up i go to i go to like houston texas i drop everything off i get into a huge fight with my girlfriend i then come back to go i'm driving a u-haul van a u-haul truck I have to drive back across country to Charlotte to get my vehicle

where now the U.S. and Marshalls are there. I almost get caught in a Starbucks there. On the way there, I call the FBI agent to try and try and figure out a way to maybe turn myself in. Maybe I can get a year. I don't know. Maybe I can if I turn myself in,

they'll take that in consideration. Maybe I'll only get a year or two. Man, I mean, just chaos, bro. Almost get caught in Starbucks when I get back. I mean, it was just go to now. Asheville, start by start over from virtually with like a hundred grand, which sounds like a lot of money, but it's not when you're starting from scratch. You're right. It was just the anxiety. If I didn't have, if I wasn't actively taking Xanax bills, I would have had to start actively taking it. Oh my God. I was bad. So, um, what else are we doing? What is what you? I have my final. Nice. My arrest on the airplane. So. All right. So my, a little bit of a back. You got to give a little bit of. why they're looking for you. It makes it seem like they're just targeting you.

You're a criminal. I'm a career criminal, yes, yes. But they're like, you got to kind of just give a little bit of the kind of like what they were, like the, they're looking for you because you're running scams and they get on to you and then they get on to your virtual secretary, right? Isn't it? You were buying the,

you were buying stuff from people and that's how they get to her. Weren't you buying social security numbers? One of the many things, and that's how they get to her? Yes. Well, they, so I had a assistant, a secretary that helped me with paperwork and just managing things and dealing with different people. So what happened was we were up and moved. We had a place in Salt Lake City, Utah. We had just bought a house, heated floors in the bathroom, so that would have made our third house and fully furnished.

So we had it to where we could go. to any one of our houses, no suitcases. So we didn't have, like, if we went to our house in Tennessee, we could just show up and walk in. All we had to do was get perishables out of the refrigerator, you know, get milk or bread or stuff. Other than that, it was fully loaded, ready to go. Baby furniture, baby swing.

I mean, like, almost identical with two cars. Each house with two cars. So we had a place in... It was a rough life. It was a rough life. We had a ton of money, but... All right, so we're in... Salt Lake City, and so, I mean, I've been dealing with a girl in prison that told, that

told on me. So when she told, I guess she brought our information of what we did in Florida to the Florida FBI's attention. Is that the first time the FBI got involved? No, he was kind of looking for us anyway. That was an escaped arrest, which probably should have been a different to me where we we nearly barely escaped being arrested one time they were after us and it was the FBI because it was we were staying in one of the hotels there and we paid with somebody else's charge card no we had paid with a a woman's charge card that we had right that came on the FBI's radar so what happened was while we were in the hotel we left we left out of the hotel for the day we were out we I can't remember where we went we went and did something for the entire day we were

gone for the entire day. So when we came back at like 7 p.m., like we left at 8 a.m. and came back at 7 p.m. So when we came back, the room key wouldn't work. You know, and in the room, we've got our laptop and all our baby stuff.

So our daughter is at my, with my mom, and so we're like, we can't even get in the frigging room. What the heck's going on? So we go down to the front desk, or we call the front desk. We leave, because I'm like, I don't know what, let's call. Right. So we call and they're something like there was a problem with the credit card we couldn't charge the

credit card I'm like oh that's nothing we'll give them another credit card didn't I'm like you know what never mind that let's just pay this get our stuff and get out of here right so um we offer this is an almost arrest so we offer to pay so they're telling us the bill is I said well how much is the bill will bring cash said it's $1,200 I said okay we'll get you $1,200 I think we've been there a night and a half or whatever so we go and pull $1,200 cash And so I pull her up front, I say, go in there and pay, keep the phone on, keep your phone on, you know, in your ear. So she goes in and she pays and I'm sitting there out front waiting. And then the sheriff pulls up.

I'm like, get the F out of here. So I call her up the wife and I say, hey, go, go, go, go. The sheriff just pulled up. I think the plan was because it's a front and a back. Yeah. So we had circled and I told her, I'm going to let you in the front. If something happens, I'm going to pull around the back and get you. or we had been there and noticed there was a front and a back.

So I don't remember what the plan was, but when I saw the sheriff, I said, so I pull out, when the sheriff pulls up, he's confused. He's like, what? So I pull out, run around the back, and I tell her come out of the back door. So she's at the counter, and this is what she tells me. She tells the guy, like, she gave him the $1,200, and he gave her a receipt. So she's like, okay, can you give me the key so I can get back in the room? So he's like, hold on a second.

So he's got her holding on. So he's talking to her about something. And she goes, hold on one second, Gary. I got to take this call. So she's talking to me. And I tell her, I said, the sheriff just pulled out Lee. So she just turns around and she just heads toward the back. Meanwhile, the sheriff is coming in the front door.

She's coming out the back. So as I pull up, she gets in the car, closes the door. I see the sheriff running down the steps, and we pull out of there and go. So we pull out of the hotel, and we're going up the street. And six sheriff cars is, woo, woo, whew, whew. Yeah, it's unbelievable, all for a hotel bill. Once again, because we paid that hotel bill, we didn't get charged. Nice.

That was the almost arrest. Then we went and stayed at another hotel, but anyway, the arrest, I got arrested getting off the airplane here in Tampa, so somebody told on me that I had committed to fraud here in Tampa, so they were looking for me in Tampa. We were living in Salt Lake, and we had made an agreement that we weren't going back to Tampa. It's like, look, under no circumstances did we go back to Tampa? Right. So we violated that agreement because we're going to get our daughter baptized.

So we decided to go back, which was like. Colby's like, this is insane. It's insane because I'm so far from Colby's life. I know. Except for the baptism. He's like, that's the whole thing, that's the only thing. He's like, oh. And that's worth it.

arrest. Nice. That was worth the arrest. So I do have something in something, I do have something in common with these two scumbags. It's amazing to me because like I set the standard and then I just go against it. I'm saying to her, I'm telling my wife, if we go to Florida, we don't fly in, we'll just drive in so we can't be detected. And we get a direct flight from Salt Lake City right into Tampa, which is where they're waiting for us. Right. So what happened is, that morning, we were dealing with a girl in prison that I guess had told on us or joined the investigation. And she told on our secretary. So like the girl in prison knew that I was collecting people's prisoners information and using their identity. So she told our secretary, this is the

most bizarre thing. She said, I have a girl in here's social security number. Let me give it to you. So she gives it to our secretary, the girl's social security number, right? And then the next morning they kick in her door and say, hey, you have a social security number of another inmate in jail. That's what they take her to jail for. I'm saying to myself, like, how could you give me something,

somebody social, and then arrest me for having it? That doesn't even make sense. Well, you know, what's even funnier now is like, now used to be if you just had their information, it was identity theft. Right. Now it's not.

No, it's not. Now it's, like, it never should have been. Like if you have someone's, it doesn't mean I was going to do something with it. It doesn't mean anything. I just have it in my possession. Somebody gave it to me. somebody wrote it down on something

wrote it down and I grabbed it like you write it on yours on a piece of paper and I grabbed the paper and I write something else and then I have the paper and you're like hey this is this is a social security number right well I didn't know that like if I have 50 social security numbers what if I'm only going to commit a crime with these two and I never do anything with the other ones they're saying no no

all 50 you could have what do you mean I could have that's like going into the bank and slipping the cashier a note and getting $3,000 but you charge me with everything that's in the vault if you could have gone involved But I didn't and I didn't intend to. Do you remember we and John Gordon, you still argue about that, the intended

loss? Yeah. Like, John goes like, you intended to get all that money. Yeah. The bank has 50 billion when you intended to get all of it, you know what I'm saying? Ridiculous. So what happened then? All right, so, so, um, she gave, they arrest, they arrest the secretary.

That's who, because when my wife and I traveled, we traveled under different identities. Which agent? What was his name? Lavender. Yes. So I traveled under a. separate identity than my. So they wanted to know if we were coming to town. So if they told the flights coming in, they wouldn't see our names. So they had to know what our names was. So they

arrested our secretary for possession of a person's social security number so that our secretary would give them the names that we flew in under. Right. So that next morning, we get up at 6 a.m. and a person we deal with called up and said that our secretary name was Jojo had been arrested that night. I'm like, what? That doesn't make sense. She never, this woman never committed any crimes. All she ever did was book rental cars, book hotels. That's it. That's all she did was set appointments and book flights and trips. Right. So I'm like, how could she be arrested? So that was the day we were flying in. So we were on Salt Lake City Time. So we were flying out at noon. No, we were flying out at 10 a.m. and arriving at like 5 or 6 p.m. Florida time. Because they're like

three hours back. So my wife go, we go into a full planet because they call us like 5 in the morning. We go into a full panic. My wife tells me 50 times, I don't think we should go to Tampa. I don't think we should go to Tampa. I don't think we should go to Tampa. And I'm like, wait a minute, what are you talking about? Joe Joe, our secretary, is in Georgia. This is all happening in Georgia. We're going to Florida. It's a completely different state. What could go wrong? The FBI is not a national law enforcement agency. I have no idea the FBI is looking for us.

You think what? It's local cops. I think it's local cops. Do you not even know that it could be, are you thinking it's definitely associated with you? Well, I, like, I convinced myself that maybe she was doing something she didn't tell us she was doing to get arrested. Right. Because, like, under no circumstances, should she ever be arrested?

If you're, just because you're working for me, booking flights and hotels and rental cars, like, there's no reason. It doesn't mean that you're committed a crime or know that a crime is even being committed. Right. For them to kick in the door and arrest you. That doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. So when we hear from her, she's like, they arrested me because I had somebody's social security number. I'm thinking, like, that really got far-fledged because I'm like, that doesn't even make sense at all.

Yeah. Plus, it's so trivial, too. It's trivial. it's like that's that's a minor charge like for them to kick in your door right you know all everything seemed up in the air but my wife was insistent that let's not go she goes think about it for one moment this is the thing she said to me that I look back and go oh my god like if I could just go back to those moments in my life how different everything would be so she kept she told me she says everybody knows that we're going to Tampa today right are you sure we should go

absolutely positive what could go wrong right then as we're boarding the plane right we're in the airport she goes I just want to say for the record that if something happens I absolutely did not want to take this trip it's like everything about her whole being was like I don't think we should go on this trip right and I'm like ah we're okay we're okay you know what it was that I got emboldened that you keep getting away with everything so you become embaldened that you keep getting away with everything so you become emboldened and taking more and more risk that don't seem more and more risky. Right. You know when it was that I got the bad feeling that we shouldn't go?

They put the handcuffs on? Yeah, that was the second bad feeling. When we were putting our overhead baggage on and sitting down, something overcame me, like some dread overcame me. And I'm like, oh, my God. And I remember looking, I'm looking around and there's people getting on the plane. And I told my wife, I said, let's get off. the plane. She goes gladly. So we go to get up and I said, never mind. Never mind. I'm just overreacting.

That intuition. Yes. The dread said, get off this plane now. And I say, never mind. So anyway, so we fly to Tampa and when we land, we land to Tampa and they're letting people off the plane. So when we get off the plane, they grab me by both sides. They grab my wife. So when we come out of the doorway you know how you got the tunnel yeah so there's a door right there so they grab my wife and take her she goes first and they grab her and take her out the door they grab me and they call me by my name and i said no my name is bob bob evans they're like really yeah they go do you have any id i'm like of course i have i d so i show him the idea and he looks at it just smiles puts it in his pocket like nice

I know for a fact that you're up. Mr. Allen, let's go. So they take me off and they question me. And, of course, I pissed the agent off, like, royally. I, you know, he's telling me, like, I have, I have this, I have that, I have this, I have this. You know, so you might as well go ahead and confess. And I say to him, well, if you have all that, do you really need my confession? He goes, you want to make this easier?

You want to make this hard. I said, I kind of want to make it somewhere in the middle. Okay, you're a smart ass. So they leave. And I go to jail. And they let my wife go. That was nice. So I was arrested for.

Possession of the ID that I gave you. That you handed them. That's the most, yeah, that's the most obvious thing that they have on you. They have lots of on you, but this is a very clear, there's two years. Well, I have, I'm arrested for that. And then I'm arrested for being on the phone. call where my secretary got the social security number. So she gave my secretary to social security number.

Then they called me three way. So they arrested me for being on that one phone call. So I had a warrant in Georgia and I had a warrant in Florida. So I mean, my wife bonded me out, but the next morning, the FBI, they put a hold on me. I couldn't get out before the hold got dropped. That was my most thrilling arrest, like, which I look back at, yes. That's thrilling. and describe it as thrilling.

But, yeah. But, I mean, it's, it was, in my heart of hearts, I know that, that absolutely, like, all the warning signs that she's screaming at me, like, never got me to waver one minute. Right. I've been doing that all day. Oh, I know. Sorry. The coffee's wearing off. Yeah, bro. That's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible getting in that back of that police car being fingerprinted. Walking through the airport, like...

Oh, yeah, like your Hannibal Lecter. People are, yeah, yeah. Little kids are... Five of the eight. People are pulling their kids towards them. And it's just like they're terrified. I hold their purses. Yes, yes.

Relax. Fraud, nothing but fraud. Fraud's okay. God, then get to the police station or the, you know, and they process you and they put you in that little room and they close that door. I had no idea that that moment was going to be 17 or 13, what was it, 14 years? I don't know what it was for 12 and a half for me.

It was a little bit more than 12 and a half. It was 13 for me. So that moment started a 13 year bid. I remember you, we still going. Yeah. Oh, man. It's horrible. It's the worst.

It's the worst. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's all. that's that's that's not all your arrests no no that's all my interest no but we don't have enough tape how we don't have we had gigabytes oh we're good we're good yeah do you want to um okay well all right so hey thanks for watching the video and if you liked it do me a favor and subscribe to the channel and um hit the like but hit the like yeah hit the like button subscribe to the channel

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