Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Truth About John McAfee's Death | Matt Cox True Crime Podcast

Episode Date: June 28, 2021

John McAfee dies in Spain by suicide? Matt Cox and Issac Allen Give their thoughts on McAfee's Life and what could have caused his Death. He was a antivirus software entrepreneur who faced extradition to the U.S. on tax-related criminal charges.

Hey, this is Matt Cox and Zach. We're back and we're going to do. We're going to talk about a, I want to say, a questionable. We're going to talk about John McAfee and, and the questionable, the questionable, the questionable, his questionable suicide. You know, the whole. the whole situation of what's going on and you question whether he struggled or yes the suicide yeah how he how he hung himself in a how he succumbed cell that did you see the jail cell yes it's tiny like look listen like i'm five six i couldn't hang myself in there i don't know

how a guy who's like six foot fork hung himself i don't know where are you hanging yourself i mean well you takes a lot of effort you got to hold your knees a lot of effort he would have had to have tied himself like i guess if you tied your hands behind your back which I don't know how you do, and tied them to your feet and tied a rope or like, like you'd have to really, and then dropped yourself, I don't know how you'd do it. Yes, but, but I'm not saying it's impossible because there are people who lean forward and hang themselves. I don't get that.

At some point, that means, you know, at some point you're going to, you're going to relieve, you're going to relieve the pressure off of your neck. I know, I'd be doing it and I'd be thinking. It's human instincts. Right. Well, when I started to, you know, if I were trying to hang myself and I did did it that way, as soon I started, you know, started really tight and I'd be thinking, I can't breathe. Like if I first thought,

I'd be like, I got to, who, okay, now. And then I'd try it, you know, but I like, to me, yeah, my, my, my fight or flight, my instinct, my survival instinct is just, absolutely, I just couldn't do it. Plus, he, the guy was a narcissist. Like, I'm never killing myself. It doesn't matter. how bad it gets, narcissists don't kill themselves. Only, only with bad jokes. Like, I'm killing myself here. So bad. I know. All right. So, wait, let's go back. Let's go back and just say, so, because some people don't even know who McAfee was, right? Well, I mean, I'm sure they've seen the name. It appears every time they turn on and off their computer. Every restart brings you McAfee in your life. It's just, like, it's just now YouTube is just now getting

populated with videos on him. And it'll be crazy for the next six months because it's so odd. You know, he's going to be the next Epstein. Only the difference is Epstein didn't say any of the insane stuff that this guy said. Like this guy was saying, I have

evidence of corruption in the government. He's saying that the CIA is going to kill me. He said if my body is found, I did not commit suicide. He even coined the phrase, which I think he coined Epstein. If they Epstein, if I'm found, if Epstein, it was not suicide. Well, okay, so I think the term Epstein

doesn't really refer to suicide. It's probably something I've seen on it. I mean, but it's if the government kills you and makes it look like suicide. Right. Is that Epstein? Yeah. Right. Well, that's the new term, but I thought Epstein would mean something different. Oh, yeah. But let me say, Like, he did not have near as much. My mind is immediately seeing, like, a 17-year-old, a 16-year-old girl saying to a teacher, my stepfather Epstein. Yeah, and like, I'm being signed out by a guardian. That's the term Epstein to me. Like, my guardian is signing me out of school.

Like, Epstein should not be connected. The term Epstein should not be connected. With this? With McVee. Okay. That should be something, definitely should be something. sexual with a superstar but so so what did so john mackafee why is he famous like that that's like why is he a big deal what did he you're this is a quiz yeah i'm just that i mean i can tell you you

want because because i don't want to talk the whole time last time i talked 90% of time right and people were like bro let your guests talk well so i'm saying to you why is you got to explain you got to listen i'm commentary right this i'm giving opinion he's to give facts you know you got to break down how this works sometimes So, I'll tell you, John McAfee is the first person back in the late 80s who actually... Late 80s? Was it early 80s? I think it's early 90s.

Well, he sold his company in 94. So... I thought that's when they made it big, but... Well, I'm, no. So you didn't know what I'm saying. You don't even know what I'm saying? I'm going to say in the 80s, he came up with the first commercially available. anti-virus software for computers, which is still used massively in computers to this day.

Yes. So he came up with the software. He was a brilliant software designer. Is it designer, software engineer? Engineer, design. Whatever. He wrote some stuff. Those are two different positions.

You know that, right? I don't know. So he wrote some stuff. He wrote some software that, and he started a company, you know, McAfee software design or anti-soft. macrofeed anti-sol software. Antiviral software. So it came out. It was, it was widely used in, so for years he ran this company. Apparently the company was insane. Like from what I heard they're having like, I don't know, I'm looking at him. I got to tell me not to look at Colby. Don't look at that guy. Apparently, from what I understand, they're having sex parties. They're having like it was just, it was insane. And he's, he was insane anyway, as you'll see as he went on in life. Well, I mean, when you got a 20, Some odd year old running a multi, a company about to be worth billions. Right.

You know, they're, they're not mentally equipped to run that corporation. I'm mentally equipped for the amount of money and sales that are coming in. You're hiring people. Back in the 80s and 90. Yeah, double your elder. Yeah, this is back when you could still be, you could, you could still harass women and, you know, and say, you know, horrible things. And that's where I thought the term Epstein came. But go ahead.

I'm sorry, but go ahead. So what happened is. is in 94, he retired from the company, like he sold it. And I think they said he was, this is back before they were all these billionaires. He was like worth $100 million. And they were like, oh, my God, like he's one of the richest men in the world. He's amazing. Out of nowhere.

Right. So he then up and moves to Belize. Well, what about the situation he had with his, oh, no, it was in Belize. He moves to Belize. Complaining about the American tax code. Of course. Yeah, he's saying, I'm just. getting, I'm getting crushed.

Yeah. He's sick of it. He moves to Belize. He buys a house. He actually, did you know, he built a police station in the village? No. He's, yeah, built a police station. He starts getting super paranoid.

He starts saying that the Belize government's after him now, that he hires his own, the police. He hires his own little security force. So he's got his own little security force, private security. And he's, he builds a police station in the middle of this little village because he says it's overrun with drug smugglers. even though there's tons of people there that say, I don't know what he's talking about. But, anyway.

Obviously, it's overrun with drug smugglers, but I mean, it's belief. So he comes in and he just starts behaving crazy. He gets really into guns. He's having sex with these 15, 16, 17-year-old prostitutes, actually built a bunch of little bungalows and would have this prostitute lives here, or this, now they're just girlfriends. This girlfriend lives here.

This one lives here. He's having sex with them, a time. He builds a lab where he's manufacturing drugs, although when the Belize government eventually did raid him, they found very little drugs. He ends up getting connected with this woman who's trying to do this anti-aging drug treatment and she's doing stuff. And they have a falling out. She leaves. She's like, look, he's got guns. He had tons of dogs. And that was a major issue. So eventually, I'm trying to get through this so we can get to the other part. So I'm skipping over stuff. But there's a great article in Wired Magazine, by the way. And there's stuff on the

internet too, or on YouTube. But the fact is, is that he starts having a longstanding dispute with one of his neighbors, who is also an American. And the problem is that the other American that's a couple houses down from him is like, look, your dogs are running wild. You have to keep them locked up. And McAfee's kind of a jerk. And he's like, and he's not going to do that. So the dogs, the neighbors like, are they harassing me, my family, everything? Well, suddenly one day his dogs are all poisoned and a bunch of his dogs die you know that yeah this is with this view so two days later his and he's saying i don't know whether it's proven or not but the next door neighbor killed my dogs and so two days later the next door neighbor is found dead someone shot him

killed him pretty sure let me know if i'm wrong pretty sure he was shot and killed and the Belize government immediately says they focus in on McAfee because he's threatened to kill him. In arguing and shouting matches, he's threatened to have to kill him. Right. So the guy ends up dead and McAfee flees.

Like literally they They reit, huh? He flees, Belize. So they raid his house, by the way. He hides like under a box, which is under sand. He actually has like a little hide away for like five or six hours and then he sneaks out and then he sneaks out and then he

sneaks across the border into some other country. I don't know whether it was Honduras or what it was. Sneaks over there, eventually goes to Canada. He's never indicted or anything, I think, for the murder. It's just always, like, it's never proven. Right. Then he gets into Bitcoin. By the way, this entire time, he's getting crazier and crazier.

More and more paranoid. And he's still making a fortune. Oh, of course. Now he's into Bitcoin. He's one of the original guys that went into Bitcoin. and he makes these insane statements about Bitcoin, by the way, like he says that Bitcoin is someday it's going to be worth $500 per Bitcoin. And people are like, that's insane.

But now it's not insane. So they indict him for one running what they considered, with the U.S. government considered a pump and dump scheme. They indict him for not filing taxes on. Now, he filed taxes, by the way. This is what's funny. He filed taxes, but he didn't file. taxes on his Bitcoin profit, which may or may not even be like, is questionable whether

you have to, if you're not living in the United States and I'm trading Bitcoin, whether I have to claim taxes on my Bitcoin profits in the United States, that's questionable. So, you know, I'm a U.S. citizen, but guess what? My residency isn't in the United States. So I don't have to pay those taxes, but the code is arguable. Maybe. Not the government doesn't think so. But so the second thing that happened is this, real quick.

He also had a bunch of speaking engagements, not in the United States, that he also made money and didn't claim taxes on those speaking engagement. But he's indicted. Right. Eventually he is caught. He still never goes to the United States. He's staying in international waters. He's got a yacht.

He eventually gets caught in the airport in Spain. And the Spanish government holds him in a prison holdover, like a U.S. Marshall's holdover. And he fights extradition. While he's fighting extradition, we can go from there. Is that good? I'm sorry. I just wanted to wrap that up. And succinctly so you know who he is.

That's all. So the arrest and the fighting of extradition was this year. Yeah. All right? No, no, no. He was arrested in October of 2020. Right. But he's been held the whole time.

It takes a long time. Fighting extradition. You know, the court takes a while, even in Spain. Yes. Yes. All right. So then what happened. happens is he starts sending out tweets and multiple he's doing he I don't think he does he does

do an interview doesn't he yes but by the way can I like to mention that's how laxed the Spanish um the Spanish prison system is like I watched a video I've watched videos many of them but one of them is like that the toughest prisons in the world like you know there's like the top like 30 of them none of them are in Spain like Spain is not a tough prison system Their penitentiary system is like a low security prison in the United States. So he's in a place where he can literally tweet an email. He has a cell phone. He can pick up the phone anytime.

His room looks like your bedroom. It's not like he's in a dungeon dungeon. It's not that horrible place. I mean, I'm not saying it's like being in your apartment, but I'm saying it's not like this horrible situation where it's layer upon layer of security. and lockdowns. So he starts tweeting while he gets arrested, he's now super paranoid,

depending on what your belief is, and he starts tweeting on a regular basis. So do you know what some of the tweets were? Well, I mean, yeah, he's talking about when he's tweeting out that he's being framed and that this is not just a tax ploy, he doesn't want to go to the United States. He hasn't committed any crime. And what he's done is not unconstitutional.

not in the Constitution, and he's crying that he has information on the CIA and how they frame and set him up, and that if he is found dead, he would have been murdered. Is that where you got the term Epstein? Yeah. Oh, here it is. It's a, no, that if I, if I hang myself, I, it says L. Epstein? Like, I don't know. If I hang myself, L. Epstein, like, I don't know. If I hang myself, L. Epstein, no, la, ala, ala, okay, I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry. Well, I'm not that sharp, bro. It's not my fault.

I mean, what is? A la mode, do you think is L.A mode? I was educated in the South. All right, no problem. So, if I hang myself, a la Epstein, it will be no fault of mine. And he says, oh, the food is good, all is well. I am certain, I'm content here. friends. This is not a suicidal guy. Correct. Well, he's letting you know up front that he's he thinks he might

be murdered. Yeah, he, oh, he's, he's already concerned. He's got a very, super concerned about it. And lo and behold, what happens? Well, by the way, he also tweeted this. I've collected files on corruption in governments. For the first time, I'm naming names and specifics. I'll begin. again with a corrupt CIA agent and two Bahama officials coming today, if I'm arrested or disappear, 31 plus terabytes of incriminating data will be released to the press. Yes, yes. So he's making these. You know what?

And I said Epstein, like they never was Epstein. We forget about that. He did. He said a la Epstein. I thought he said. Epstein. I don't know why I heard that somewhere. Me and somebody else were joking me. I thought that was something that he had

phrasedy coin, so let me correct that. Oh, he said he's getting subtle messages from the U.S. officials saying, in effect, we're coming for you, McAfee. We're going to kill... Oh, wait. We're going to kill yourself.

I got to tell yourself. That's what it says. We're going to kill yourself. It doesn't make sense. But that's fine. That might not be his words, but go ahead. I got a tattoo today just in case. If I suicide myself, I didn't. I was whacked.

Check my right arm. And he actually got a tattoo that says whacked on his arm. I mean, you know, it's not a joke that he's dead, but this guy's something else. This guy's great. Right. But that doesn't sound like someone speaking English, giving that. Well, I mean, he's, he's, if you. ever heard him talking and just on the interviews he he's he he this is the guy no filter he just

some of his sentences are just running on and yeah well i mean he doesn't speak extremely succinctly no all right so he turns up hung well here's what happened well first of all so he turns up hung but literally like the the day the court says we are going to allow you to be Extradited. And by the way, in front of the court, when he got in front of the, they had like a little trial, he explains to the judges that this is politically motivated, that the government of the United States wants to get me back to the United States. They want to throw me in jail forever. Like this is all political. I didn't, you know, like all this is all, these are all trumped up charges to try and get me back to the United States. You know, so he says all these things. He's in fear of his life, the whole thing. He's talking about the CIA killing him. He says all this in court. Then, so the day they make their decision. decision, they say, we are going to allow you to be extradited back to the United States and potentially face a 30-year prison sentence for tax evasion. For tax evasion, which is ridiculous. Like a judge over there is probably like, what? That's funny. Nobody gets that. Well, you know what's so funny is like, like, depending on how much he owes, he could have probably

gotten 10 to 20 years. But let's face it, he's 75. That's a death sentence. You're dead. The average person in the United States, 75 years lives to 75, average man. Right. But look, look, think about this also. To another country facing 30 years for not paying taxes. It's unheard of it. Judge me like, what? That's got to be a lie. Where would you be facing 30 years for not paying? In Norway. Why not just make you pay? I don't understand what to. In Norway, you basically murder carries like four or five years that, you know, they gave the stiffest murder sentence, sentence they ever gave out. Do you remember the guy that took automatic? weapons in Norway and went and killed something like 80 some odd children and camp staff members in Norway at a at a at a summer camp he killed 80 of them he got the maximum sentence the Norwegians could give him 22 years government gave me for 26 years for filling out some paperwork

so in the United States and making a lot of money but I mean and you know if you look at they go on YouTube and check out what Norwegian prisons are like. They live better than me. Yes. Now. Now. Now. Now. Yes. So anyway, so Epstein. They do get the upgraded iPhone. But go ahead. I'm sorry. Two hours. So I shouldn't look at you,

but I need to look at you to know that I'm not the only one. But that that's, that's you saying the joke was not funny. And I can't believe he made it. That's what you're saying. You're like, hey. Because you're so, people don't know stop him. That's what you're saying. It's so corny. Okay. And with

bothers me the worst is that now that 80% of the comments on our videos are about how amazingly wonderful you are. And what about me? Thank you. Nobody says I'm great anymore. Like 20% are like, oh yeah, and Matt was there too. That's right. That's right. So anyway, so two hours after the court says, yeah, you can go back to face, go back to the United States, to McAfee, he's found dead. He's found dead. Right. In a cell that has a bunk bed, has nothing to hang yourself on. There's Nothing on the ceiling to hang yourself. There's just the tallest thing in the room is the doorframe and is bunk bed.

So I don't know. And then before there's no autopsy anything, immediately they come out and they say, this is the Spanish government comes out immediately and says, suicide. How do you know it's suicide? Like even, look, when people go crazy on Epstein, I'm like, it wasn't murder. He's committed suicide. There's no way to get in those facilities. But in this case, I know you disagree, but in this case, I have to admit, it's suspect.

Do you think he committed suicide? Who, Epstein? Or McAfee. Either. Well, Epstein, I think he committed suicide. You've been in U.S. martial holdovers. There's no way to get into those facilities. That means that they're-

You mean another inmate. How about the guards? Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, even the guards, they have to go through layer after. So how those cameras? Listen, we're not, we can't do it. We're talking about McAfee. All right.

That's a whole other. Maccify. All right. So, yeah, do you think, you think that he, that he, I think it's suspect that he was found dead and that he. So you think he killed himself. I think it's questionable. Like, so, like, you say that as if death will find a way.

Like, he's looking around like, okay, I don't exactly know how I'm going to my life so I'll come up with this makeshift I'll come up with this makeshift and kill myself death is not going to find a way for you to take your own life it will if someone else is taking your life so for him to be that determined and that good at suicide I mean well let's let's let's let's make sure what you're saying basically what you're trying to say in a really bad way is it's hard to kill yourself yes it's not easy to kill you I agree it's like that because you you go okay I'll, because I'm sure the first attire, oh, my knee, I'll try it tomorrow. Right, given the right circumstances, like if you have the right tools, it's easy.

Oh, a gun. Yeah, if you have a gun, you know, it's pretty easy to kill yourself. Well, even then, how many people shoot themselves and don't die? I've known people that have shot, they've shot themselves, and the bullet just went through their eye sockets, and they lived. I know a guy that shot himself. And they don't go for a second attempt. No, I actually do. Like, after you're like, I didn't know the guy, but.

Give me the gun again, please. This guy's father? Uh-huh. shot himself once boom the bullet went through his eyes his eye sockets now he's blind he woke up he he knocked him out obviously a couple of minutes later he woke up searched around had to find the gun and shot himself again that's commitment that is that's commitment that is commitment that is that dude wants to die yeah like at that point how much pain was he in first of you didn't want to die anyway now you're blind so i was already depressed yeah and now i'm blind yeah i went out of there

I went over there. Okay, so, but this is a guy who really didn't have the tools to commit suicide other than to be able to hang himself. A blanket, you got, which is rough. That's a rough way to go. That takes innovation. I'm sorry, but who has the innovation to turn a blanket into a tool for suicide? If you have scissors, I mean, it's, it's, and first of all, it's going to, it's either way. Look, look, either way, right.

Come on, come on. The nice thing about hanging. Like, how good are you at slip knots? Look, so they found you hung. can you tie a slip knot enough to kill yourself? The reason hanging is such is a decent way to kill people is that if you know how to do it

and you measure and you can drop the body the neck snaps and it's over. The problem is he doesn't have that luxury. He has to affixiate. Affixiate. Affixiate. So he has to choke himself to death.

So is it hanging? I mean, yeah, if he was hung, but I don't know that he was hung, he basically has to figure out a way to tighten so tightly and your instinct right I agree but here's put that aside why

because look we know some even if someone held it and killed them put that aside here's my problem my problem is if someone killed you in the United States other than a camp it's difficult to get through all of the layers of security stop stop I'm talking about

in the United States I'm saying in in Epstein in the United States in Spain though this guy is not being held in a massive facility. Spanish prisons are not at this level, are not overly secure.

So I can see that it's possible that someone could maybe get to him. But still, you have to imagine there has to be video. Like, you know, these are things that will come out. Get out. Have to be. Supposed to be.

Supposed to be. Right. And those things, malfunction. It's amazing. They mean like with that scene. Like what that's the same. Yeah.

They malfunction like that's. Yes. That's legit. Somehow you're on my body cam turned off right before he was shot 18 times. Right. And then a couple of minutes later I turned it back on. Like, oh. I realized it was off during the incident.

Oh. I'm back. Hello? Yes. All right. So first of all, so you think how if that word I would have happened, if they killed him. First of all, where's this terabyte of all these, all this data? We don't know.

We don't know what he had, if he had anything. Probably buried with him, probably up his butt as he was buried. What do we put the terabytes? Up his terra. It's just so bad. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Listen, when you do the, when you do the words, what do they call the keywords? You put it in corny.

Just in case people search corny. our video will come up and they'll be like corny and then just put like corny so no problem thank you anyway and go ahead

no no no so first of all this data that's supposed to be released up if he found dead which he said it will be released if I'm found dead where's that that's a dead those are what you call bluffs okay the bluffs are not just apartment complex

as you were searching bluffs are also Bluffs are also things that you say To try to scare governments Like, hey, if something happens to me There'll be evidence released that There'll be evidence release That will frame Donald Trump

Right All right So something happens to me And you're like, hey, what happened to that evidence? Like, yeah, whatever Yeah, I didn't really have any of it That's what I tell That's what I tell my assailants

I don't really have any he kills himself i know i'm so funny i don't know what um all right so oh man so one so you think it's possible he was killed so how does that happen um a bill turn the camera off um me and john are going in here right quick we're coming back out we're catching the flight about 20 minutes from now and we'll get your money in the morning okay Cool. So you think this is what you, are we saying? It's an assassination.

It's an assassination. So the CIA goes to the guards that are going to be on duty. They go to the guards at home. So they connect to him at home. They say, look, you're going to get this much money. I can't tell you who I am. It's a whole black bag operation. But we know that they're going to, they're going to allow him to be to.

Well, first of all, if he was going to the United States, they could have done it in the United States. But killing someone in another country makes the investigation that much more. difficult. No, if he gets to the United States, you'll probably get to talk to a lawyer. You'll probably be able to tell him something. And there's a lot more security as you go, but it's easier to kill him in Spain. We kill him where it's the most convenient. Right. Okay. And here's the press release. Oh, yeah, yeah. And that's the code. So this is the other thing that bothers me. Well, so first of all, so CIA goes to the guards. They say, we're going to give you money. You're going to, at this time, you're going to shut off the cameras.

we're going to come in, we're going to have a talk, a little chit-chat with this guy. You don't just set the camera, you hit the breaker. Yeah, whatever. So the camera's malfunction, we go in, we have a discussion with the guy, he stops breathing, we come out, you turn everything back on, you guys find him a couple hours later, you try and revive him, that's it. You'll get the X amount of dollars, whatever. Okay, so I get that.

Maybe that's possible. Maybe it's not. I disagree, but whatever. We'll see. We don't know. But here's what really, this is the part that I literally, when I went on YouTube, and was doing little research on on YouTube just to see

kind of I was looking for a documentary and one of the first things that came up after I'd read the article and I was already thinking this is odd like this is weird but the first feed that came up was CNBC

news came up and this is after I'd read all of these all of the tweets about him saying they're going to kill me if I'm found dead it wasn't suicide I'm not suicidal like he says

all of these things. The first thing that comes up is CNBC News and the guy says, starts talking about Epstein and how he came up with this antiviral software and had a crazy life and had been indicted and was looking at 30 years in prison. And they say,

the newscaster says, you know, here's the thing. He was about to be, he was fighting extradition. He was looking at 30 years in prison. And then they were, read it he reads a quote he says a week prior to uh prior to his death he wrote this or days days prior to his death he wrote this i have no bitcoin left all of the money is gone i have nothing i love my family

dearly something along those lines and he says the court then said he could be extradited and hours later he was found dead in his cell via suicide and i thought And then they were like, you know, you know, God rest him or whatever. And then that was it. And I thought, well, that's like, is that the press release? Like, like, you might as well work for the fucking government, bro. Like, you don't, like, that's what you're going to say. You're not going to say anything about all the tweets about suicide, about don't believe it.

I'm not suicidal. I'm happy. I have good food. I have friends here. Coming directly from his mouth. Right. Those quotes that he personally spoke in interviews. Right.

And you ignore those. You read the one thing that makes. it sound like he's potentially suicidal. The one thing you read that to support the idea that he committed suicide. And that was when I read that, when I saw that, I thought, that's the first time, like typically I'm very skeptical of people that say anything about conspiracies or anything. But when I heard that, I was sitting there looking at it on my phone and I thought, wow, like that was straight out of the U.S. Attorney's Press Release Corps. I mean, that that that was that was a press like and and i i just you know and i i hate these guys that are always saying

how the media is 100% on the government side and it's bias and this and this and i'm like oh that's not true they're just going off of facts and they're going up and and but that in this instance i thought wow you you you have to be leery of what i call the succinct press release of what happens when it comes to things like that the succinct the succinct the very directly to the point the believable statements that are easy to follow and like, huh, that's very possible.

Like, all indications say that he committed suicide. Like, what you're thinking there is like, well, people looked around and said, well, I mean, this and that. I mean, that's suicide. We looked at the, it's the same, it's the same with the George Floyd.

The press release that Chauvin and the other police officers put out, and I have it right here. And when they were arresting George Floyd, right. This is proof. This shows you how much it can change. How much of a lie?

I mean, everyone knows what happened to George Floyd. And the press put out... This is the first press release that came out. Right. He was ordered to step from his car, George Floyd. After he got out, he physically resisted the officers. The officer was able to get the suspect in the handcuff and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress.

Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later. like body cams yeah well at the they did note that the body cams were turned on and the body cams were on and no weapons were used so they're so in and if you read that you immediately think well the body cams are on there was on video no weapons were used no weapons were used so he probably wasn't he resisted and he had a medical issue yes he died I mean yeah that that means that happened like if you read that that sums it all up let's move on exactly that's exactly what that's

saying move along we've covered all angles and what was it his family basis through such a such a uh well the the the girl when she saw this in the in the newspaper she's like no that's not what happened what girl um the girl that videotaped george i forgot right right right right when she saw this he was up against the wall kind of in the court yeah yeah no she was standing there like with the other people on the street there were other people standing there like yelling at the cop right but when she saw the press release she's like no no no here's what happened and when she released that like that went out to all the news stations I think she released it via Facebook I think she got a Pulzer a Pulitzer um I'm a Pulitzer Pulitzer right for that

when they released that and they saw it they're kind of like whoa do you know the police came back and said well here's a little bit more about kind of what happened not that's not what happened here's a little bit more about what happened then they're like hold up a second when we look at this video, this is not even close to any statement that we put out. And then they decided, we're going to have to indict some of our guys. Some of our guys are going to have to go down. We usually can slip by with this, but Timmy, Jim, Bob, I'm sorry, you know. I mean, you should have kind of stepped in.

But Frank, you've killed multiple people. I know, but I wasn't on video, you idiot. Look around. I mean, geez. I mean, the guy took nine minutes to pass. I mean, at some point, you're like, well, maybe not this one. But, okay, so the deal with McAfee is it's all indications that he committed suicide. So it's definitely suspect.

Yeah, all, maybe most indications, not all. It's questionable. Yeah, I mean, what about the video beforehand? I'd love to see the video. I'd love to see the video. There has to be video. Like, like, there's no way that there's a prison system out there that doesn't have video. Like, they have to have video.

Now, if they come forward and they have video. The camera malfunctioned. Right. Well, so, but that's my, that's my point, all indications. Or also, here's the thing, how hard is it to fake video? Like, if you've got control of the prison staff, how hard is it to actually fake video? I mean, what, you're going to, it'll be pretty hard to fake him hanging himself. At some point, you'll know it's animated.

Like, well, I mean, he looks a little cartoonish. They don't have videos. That looks like Scooby hanging himself. They don't have videos. Rari Raggy, but, you know. Oh, my God. Listen, they had video. Did you have coffee?

Yes, I did. There's no coffee. They had video. in Epstein's cell. In his cell? Not in his cell, on his cell. Well, that's what I'm saying. And it malfunctioned in the hour that he died.

We're talking about this. I'm saying, like, if you had complete control of everything, to me, you would have someone come in and show, you wouldn't let it be malfunctioned. What you do is you'd keep it on and you'd clip it and expand it so that you could slip in there, kill him and leave, and then have it there. So it's like, look, nobody ever wins it. in and you could look at the video in the timeline. Yeah, but you got him alive and you got him dead. I understand that. So then it would be proved that he was in there alone and he killed himself. Okay, explain. So you're making an argument. I'm with you. I'm telling you. But I don't understand what you're saying. So you're saying you spliced the video. So, so you show him

standing there. Not him. Not him. If you're just videoing the door. And what you're saying is right now what happens is the video shuts off. It's not working. So anybody could have gone in the door killed him and left. Well, what if the video shows he's in a bar in a cell with bars? So what if the video shows him in the cell? Well, I understand, but in both these cases, they weren't. They were the regular door with the window. So all you're not really seeing him move around in there. You don't see in the cell. You can see a little sliver. If that's the case, then you're right, there'll be no need. But right, what's happening right now is the video that was on the door doesn't even work. So someone could come in, kill him and leave.

And they say, well, did we see anybody go in the cell and leave? Well, no, but the video doesn't work. But here's what I'm saying. In Epstein's case, when you're on suicide watch, you're on the video the whole time. Well, he wasn't. He was taken off suicide watch. Correct. Right.

And which took him off. But he was still solitary. They can see you at all times, which is why the video malfunction. A video malfunction means they can watch you. and so if someone kills you, they should be able to see who killed you. Right. So if it's just the door, there'll be no video malfunction. There will be splicing.

A video malfunction means like when the police officers say, hey, my body cam went off. Right. That means I probably should have had video evidence showing you what happened, but I don't have it. And in Epstein's case, the camera wasn't working. Correct. Because they could see him the whole time. So you wouldn't be able to splice. it wasn't just the door that's what i'm saying you're not just looking at the door you're looking at

epstein in the cell walking around pissing sitting down but that's if he was on suicide no it it solid they also do that for solitary oh i i didn't know i mean i've been in seg there was no video on me no not not that's in seg but you're not by yourself yeah i was in a cell by myself when i was in the shoe i only had a i was there like one time i was there like 45 days i only had a i only had a roommate maybe five days. All right. Well, it wouldn't be high profile. Right.

But they did have a video going down the hallway so you could see when people come in and out of the cell. And they splice that. Right. That never malfunctioned. Oh, okay. But the video that was on his cell, in his cell showing him the thing was the one that malfunction.

Same thing for McAfee. The video would only malfunction if it distinctly showed him being killed. or him hanging himself. Well, we don't know. Anyway, we don't know, this is all supposition, because the fact is we don't know whether there was even a camera or whether it was on

or what the case may be. But it will be interesting to see over time if suddenly these videos do actually come out and they show this was malfunctioned or they say, look, he walked in the cell,

nobody ever went in and out of the cell and then four hours later a guard came by to count everybody and they saw him in there dead. Well, then it's like, okay, well, he was in there dead. Now, to me, if it was someone who came in and killed him and then left, then you would splice the film to... You would splice the door to eliminate showing that person coming in and out.

But there are... First of all, that video is not going to show up. You think there is no video? You think they have no video? No, no. The professionals that do this, that video is not going to show up. No, obviously, you're not going to get... You allow yourself to be on camera.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. That video is not, that's a per, those type of things are professional jobs because you've got corrections and law enforcement involved. Those are professional hits. That video is never going to show up. And if it can be spliced, there's never going to be a discussion about the video if it can be spliced. Right.

And if it can't be spliced, then it's like, okay, we had a malfunction. It didn't work. So that's my, my whole point of saying that. So they, that's when you know there's a problem. when the video works fine except for the period of time that he dies did you ever see off subject I hear you I understand you

I get it everybody's following I get it but did you ever see the movie shooter yes they actually come in they grab the guy they actually have a device they put on the guy with the crank the thing and the guns in the hand they just start twisting the thing it's like he's like oh my God like

there's nothing he can do he's about to shoot himself you know what that guy says don't you he's like hey hey this is gonna have happen. He goes, this is not my first time using this device. Yeah. Like he says it very distinctly. Like I've been through this many, many time. This is going to happen. It's going to happen. It's like, hey, that little device is like, you know, as soon as boom, as soon as he fires it and they take it off, everything says he killed himself. All indications. Yes. Is that he committed to suicide. We know better. It's like the, but all indications. Look how perfect that all indications is that he tied that knot, angled himself just right so that he could be affixated.

You know what the best thing would be is somebody orders, like, what you really do is you have McAfee order a book on how to tie knots, like slip knots. So he gets it, he gets it and looks at it and goes, why would someone send me this? This is weird. No, no, you ordered it. And guess what? A week from now, it'll be perfectly obvious why you ordered it. As soon as our boys get here, the black bag guys come in and they, that's a great nod.

Yeah. Thank you. All right. So, obviously, we don't know what happened. Let's wrap this up. Because if we did, if we did, there'll be some malfunctioning a video later. If we did, you'd never, if we actually have to. If we did, this video will malfunction.

If we knew anything, YouTube would immediately take this video down. at one phone call from the federal government they'd be yeah listen you got this yeah yeah i don't know what's going on take it down that's right of course of course we're all you know we're you know we're well we're gonna call that guy tomorrow can it be the day after tomorrow give us a little time but anyway all right uh so if you like the video yeah hit the like button yeah subscribe bam share the video boom leave a comment for the algorithm you have any questions for Zach or I, and we're going to do a compilation video. Compilation means a bunch of videos. Forget it. I didn't even say that.

Okay, we're going to do a video where we answer all of those comments or all the questions in the comments. We'll do a video where we read through the best comments and we answer those comments on a future video podcast interview style thing. So that's it. Do me a favor. and if you like the video, send it to 10 of your friends and family and let's try and get some views up and subscribers up and, you know, so I can, you know, make a little bit of money.

He needs that. He needs that. He needs that. I'm a fat boy. Stop complaining about the ads, okay? I'm tired of hearing the, you go too many, listen, I don't work for free. I just got out of prison. I'm broke. It's not like I'm making any money on this thing. Those ads like don't take it.

But get YouTube premiere. For God, say, it's like, it's like nine bucks. For a month. It's nothing. It's awesome too, bro, because I've got it. It's awesome. And let me tell you something. Music videos, music.

You can download me. Here's the great thing. Now when you turn off YouTube, like when you get out of the app, it shuts it off. What's great is you can shut off the app and it continues to play. You can download free music. You can download stuff. You have a playlist. You can download movies.

They've got a bunch of free movies. You can do all kinds. Television shows. It's worth $9. Matter of fact, cancel you, cancel. Netflix and Hulu and just go with YouTube because it's 10 times better. 10 times there. Absolutely.

Somebody's texting. All right. So that's what you need to do. Stop complaining about the ads. I don't want to hear it. Or I think somebody told me you can speed through the whole thing and rewatch it and the ads are gone. I'll suggest that I feel like I don't get paid on that.

But anyway, so, you know, see ya.