Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Truth about Prison Fights...

Episode Date: February 2, 2024

The Truth about Prison Fights...

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August 1st. The guard goes in and the next thing you see is the door explode open and these two are like fighting. Hey, this is Matt Cox and. back. And we are answering subscriber questions. So, this is it. What's it like going into the bank now after you've been out of prison for defrauding them? Having a B-O-A, a Bank of America account now would be hilarious. Yeah, so I can, let me, you can answer it first because obviously I've opened a Bank of America account. I didn't try them.

Yeah, I did. I tried to open a secured Bank of America account. I sent them the money and they sent me in, no, I didn't send them money so sorry I applied and they just came back and said not interested now granted I do owe them two million dollars I feel like they're holding resentment um it's like get over it it was like 20 years ago it was like 17 oh the IC gave you your money yeah yeah it was like 15 years ago right that i you know so whatever they're they're they're just you know they're just they're holding onto it so um one they wouldn't even let me open a secure credit card I did go and open up a business account with them. So I opened up a business account and they shut it down like two weeks later. Right. I don't know what happened. They ran me through the system, everything. They were

like, yeah, no problem. And I'd already been denied for the secured credit card. And I thought, huh, okay. So, and I knew other guys that got denied for secure credit cards with Bank of America. So I thought maybe they're just a little bit stricter. Anyway, I opened up a business account. Two weeks later, they mailed it back. They just said they closed it for no reason. But the first time I went into the bank, I was in a halfway house. Right. So I went into Wells Fargo and I opened a bank, a bank account. Wells Fargo had an agreement with the halfway house to allow people at the halfway house to open up accounts.

So that was the account I got opened. Right. But when I walked in there, I just remember thinking, you know, I walked in there like, oh, where are you staying? I was like staying at the halfway house. I were like, oh, okay. You know, very polite, very professional. But I kept feeling like they're going to close the account.

They're not going to give me an account. Right. But they did. They gave me an account. I was like, and everything went through okay? She was like, yeah, yeah, everything was fine. Yeah, I was like, okay. So I've had that account.

That account's been great. Wells Fargo is a good bank. I'm TD Ameritrade. I haven't, I haven't, I didn't start with them. I started with Chase. And Chase, Chase, Chase, I don't think it's going to be too bad on here. That's insane. It is.

Chase closed my account afterwards, but, Why? Why? They didn't tell you. They just say, we're closing your account. Yeah. And a month later, we'll send you your money. But they, apparently they, oh, Chase must have some connection with net spend. Because when I got out, I didn't get a bank account. I just went ahead and got a prepaid card with the Western Union netspin card. And I was using that. And then my brother said, why don't you just get a real bank account? So I went online and applied for Chase and they granted it and opened it and everything. So then they closed it. So I didn't know what had happened.

I figured I was an NCIC, so then I went to another bank, TD Bank, and I've been there ever since. I love it, you know, so, yeah, no problem. Secure cards and all, you know. You know, it's funny, I feel the same way about every time I've gotten on a plane, well, not every time, the first time I went to fly, I just remember thinking they're never going to let me on the plane. Like, you know, I have passport fraud.

I had a red notice on Interpol. Right. Like I was on like a no-fly list. Like there was all these things that they were looking for Matthew, Now, granted, it was 15 years ago, but I was thinking, there's just no way. They're going to run my name. I'm not getting out, but I've never had a problem. We'll really know when I have to fly when I go to Europe.

I'm going to Europe in a couple weeks. So when I go to Europe, I'll be run through the system. Like, then I'm going to know. Especially coming back. Into the U.S.? Yes. Yeah, like leaving, you're right. Leaving might be not be an issue.

Coming in might be. I don't know. We'll see. I mean, I almost want to get pulled. aside and questioned. I want to be able to go, but I'd almost be comical. Like, what a great story that would be. Mr. Cox, we'd like to talk to you over here.

Awesome. What's up? No, they, I can tell you from experience of the couple of people who I know that came back in the country and got picked up, like, so when you walk out of the terminal it would be two people and they'll be like, Mr. Cox, can you, can you follow us, please? Oh, you're not going to go through it. It's not going to be at passport control.

Yeah, now. You're going to, you're going to come off the plane. then they're going to be like, excuse me, Mr. Cox? You're like, yeah? No, I'm going to be like, who? Mr. Cox. Can you follow us, please?

I'm so sorry. You must have me confused. Okay. How about my another fake ID? My name's Johnson. You know, that's part of my arrest and feds. Oh, I know, I know. They asked me, I go, no, my name is such as such.

You're like, oh. Now we've got you for identity theft, too. That was an extra two. Did you just gave me a fake idea? That was an extra two years. Aggravated identity theft. Nice. That's exactly what he did.

It's like, I go, Mr. Allen, I'm like, no. What's your name? I go, my name is, blah, blah, blah. You know, whatever I use. And he's like, you have ID? Yeah. He's like, oh, got it. Two extra years.

Yeah, let's go. Good try, buddy. All right. Um, did you ever fight a guard or see a guard fought? Interesting, interesting story of someone attacking a guard. Okay. First of all, anybody watching this, it's embarrassing that someone would even ask this, right? Like, do either one of us are going to fight a guard?

Yeah. Not fighting a guard. That you can't, you don't win fighting a guard. No, no. If you, even if you got the best, got the best of them, which I'm not getting the best of anybody. Right. So if I got the best of them, I mean, you're. going to get the piss beat out of you when they back in the back when they grab you and catch

you know people they come in oh no they don't do that the hell they don't they'll beat your ass like you can't believe and then they'll keep you into the shoe until you heal and then they'll let you see the doctor see we told you nothing was wrong with them that was two months ago it's all better now yes but yes have you seen a guard get beat up or attack yeah i've seen a bunch of guards getting to fights at the low I didn't see this there was actually one time a punk

the guard tried to grab the punk the punk yanked the punk yanked away don't you touch me and ran ran into the bathroom into the went into the toilet stall and closed the door

well the guard caught up and realized okay he's in there goes in and kicks open the door and the punk attacked him. He fell on the ground and he was beating on him. The punk is screaming. While he's fighting with the guard,

the guard is screaming. Like, help! Help! I mean, it was a whole thing. Like, it was hilarious, bro. The guard had a black eye. Like, he came back like two days later. He came back.

We never sold a punk in. So I saw that. I'm sorry, heard that. I've seen guards beat up inmates and they fight back It's just not a great, not a great fight with a guard. But, yeah, I think that's pretty much it. Well, I've seen a couple of guards fights like you have.

Probably my favorite one was a guy, it was an old man about 65 or something. And the guard was saying, hey, like he came back and came back in from, we were coming back in from Chow, from eating. and the guards at the door said, hey, let me pat you down. And he's like, no, and he starts walking faster. Because, like, when you're coming up the walkway, you make a right to go into your unit. So he's coming up the walkway, and the guard, as he's turning to go in, the guard's like, hey, let me pat you down. So the guy, like, he has to hear him.

He goes, hey, he calls him by name and everything. He says, Smith, let me check you. And he kept walking. He started walking faster. So I'm, like, about four steps behind him. So I'm watching and hearing this, and then I see the guard going after him. So the guy's moving real fast to his cell. So he gets to a cell and the guard goes in and the next thing you see is the door explode open and these two are like fighting a 65 year old man.

So they're swinging like the like the 65 year old man swinging so he gets to the 65 year old man. It sounded like that. Wow. Yeah, as soon as this is over, I'm going to make it all. He sounded, he got the 65 year old man in the headlock, right? Somehow the 65 year old man gets out of the headlock and gets the guard in the headlock. It's like they exchanged wrestling positions. Like the whole unit is like awestruck as this is going on.

It's about 15 minutes of them fighting, rolling up, swinging, headlock, headlock. I mean, the guard didn't hit the button? You know, all of them so most people don't realize. Matter of fact, eventually the guy got the old man in handcuffs. Like after like 15 minutes, you're like you're watching this like it's going on for it's like about a 20 minute fight. 20 minutes before the guard next door, because it's two guards, it's two units. So he goes in after the guy,

it's 20 minutes before the guard next door comes in to help him. But he's got him in handcuffs. So what happens is all the guards have, they all have a radio. On the radio, there's like a red button. Yes. And they can hit the panic button. The panic button. If they hit the panic button,

they can, if they hit the deucees. So they hit the deucees, all the guards come running on that. They converge on that location. You could always tell because, I mean, immediately they start screaming over the PA system, you know, lockdown, lockdown, you know. So, and then all the guards start running to that one person, that one guard's location. I mean, listen, there, some of the guards are there in 20 seconds. 30 seconds, yeah, exactly.

Ready for action. Right. There was a female guard that used to run to all. When I was in the penitentiary, there was a white female lady. We think she was crazy. She would not only, if there was a fight, she'd run in and she'd tackle dudes. like if you and I a fighter were standing up she'd actually tackle me like she had some kind of aggression where I guess she loved that type of physical play and so she was she was

on it right like hey I get to get all this out all this aggression out leave there like sex me sex me all right so yes I've seen many guards in in action and fighting what's what's another one okay another one um Matt I remember you said Your one-time friend got caught up in Orlando and snitched on you. Just curious if you ever had any adventures back in the day in central Florida like Orlando, Seminole County, Volusia County, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or any people that you're associated with that were from out there that had anything significant to your hustle back in the day. I probably shouldn't have circle that one.

Yeah, I don't. That seems. I mean, I know that, I mean, obviously I've got, I've committed fraud in like, like, like, like, like Hillsborough, Pinellis. Did you go to Polk County? What counties in Orlando? Because I was in Orange County. I was in Orlando.

It's orange and, um, it's one more. Done stuff in, um, Jacksonville. And, uh, where's Tallahassee? Tallahassee is, um, Seminole. Is it similar? Is it similar? Marion is that, no, is that, no, is that no. I don't know.

Marion is Orlando. Um, Jackson, uh, Tallahassee is, uh, uh, It's not Bay County. I think Bay is Fort Myers, Fort Walden Beach. Tallahassee is, I want to say Seminole, but I'm probably fine. It doesn't matter. And the point is that it, you know, so I mean, yeah, I've got a bunch of different counties in Florida that I've done fraud and real estate fraud. The bulk of that fraud was real estate fraud.

I mean, but I'm not even sure what the rest of the question means. Like, have I, like, are there people in those counties that, no, there's nobody that was in the county. was like I went to the county because I was trying to I was trying not to consolidate my the bulk of my fraud in just Hillsborough County so obviously I was traveling to different counties hoping to kind of and by the way that's an enhancement changing jurisdiction to evade detection yes like to me that's just what you do you know but apparently that's an enhancement you could get an extra few years for that which I did so yeah so that was um that's why that's why initially my entire charge or my case started with the FDLE because there were so many different counties involved that they had put together a task force to investigate. Once they had investigated the task force and they had all the information, they were like, okay, well, this is, he's borrowing money from banks all over the country in these different counties, in different, in different, you know, it's too complicated of a case for the local police to look into. So that's when they handed it over to the FBI. That was

my first case. That's not true. That was my second. case. That's your second case. Sorry, but go ahead. All right. Are you able to disappear or erase your tracks right now? Is there someone that makes that service Breaking Bad style? I mean, in Breaking Bad, don't they have like some seedy underworld guy that can turn these

guys into like ghosts, like they can eliminate everything on the, there's not really that I know of a person that can do that. There's, there are sites called, there's that site called, um, Reputation.com. So Reputation.com, they actually, what they do is they don't eliminate things on the internet about you, but they'll post so many things with your name in it and your basic, you know, basic information on you in it that they push any derogatory information down like 15 or 20 pages. So if somebody's looking for you and they're looking for your charge. Right. And there's multiple blogs and different types of websites that you're mentioned on. Everybody's not going to go 15 pages.

There's 20 per page, 15 pages. They're not going to look through 300 different information, whatever you call it, things that came up to try and find your arrest. So they're going to click on the first one. It's like, okay, well, this is some. blog from five years or two years ago about this guy that they met and blah blah blah blah that's an interesting service then they go to the next one it's called like it's called like reputation dot com I think oh they go to the next one they go to the next one and then oh this is a little

like you can pay more more like oh this is an article that mentions him in it and you know stupid stuff but they flood the whole internet with that and they push all your bad stuff down I know this because there's a bunch of fraudsters and con men in prison. And all of them were like, I'm going to that. They're all trying to cover up everything. You know, they want to get rid of their charges and change their name and do this and do that. I'm going to go to Reputation.com and have them built. That way they will bury anything that came out on me that was in the newspaper. And, you know, so there's that service. The more you pay, the more stuff they can flood it with. Oh, that's what. So they actually do the opposite of erasing. They just kind of,

Flood the door, which is right because you can't get you can't get you can't get rid of it like you can't go like if there's something on my website and your name's on it you can't get rid of that there's just no way somebody has to hack into the website and get rid of this like you can't go into this server and that that's populated on numerous servers like so there's just no way so what they do instead is they just overwhelm them and like okay wow this 20 pages on this guy right and and think about it like this too like for instance um I have I had a friend that I had signed that that she signed up for to become a Wikipedia, oh, God, it's a Wikipedia reporter. Because people think like Wikipedia is like 100% like legit. Like, oh, yeah, it's all vetted and it's this and that. And it's really not. Well, it's an encyclopedia online. See, you're thinking the same thing.

You're thinking, no, no, it is. No, it's not. It's independent. So they have a small staff of people that do a little bit of vetting. But the bulk of Wikipedia is written by independent Wikipedia reporters. And so what happens is you could sign up and say, hey, here's why I want to be a reporter with Wikipedia. Because I've done this and I used to write for my college newspaper and I this. And you could put a little bio together, which can be complete BS.

Right. And then you then go on several different Wikipedia pages and you can, you know, you can change it on Wikipedia. You can go in and say, hey, guess what? That guy did get 26 years, but he was really. recently released. Right. And then they'll, and you put a link. And if they check it, they go, hey, that was good information.

We're adding what you wanted and we like that. Right. So if you can change, let's say you change five or ten different Wikipedia pages and they see that you're credible, they'll now make you an official Wikipedia reporter and you can write Wikipedia pages. So you can start putting up Wikipedia pages. I could write a whole Wikipedia page about you. And so now I've written a whole thing and then they'll vet it.

Well, where'd you get this? oh, you got this from this newspaper article. Oh, you got this from this book about him. Oh, you got this. And they'll kind of look there and they'll go, you know what? That is. This is a good one and they'll post it. So what I'm saying is a lot of that can be done.

They have Wikipedia. They have Wikipedia and then they have Wikipedia people. Wikipedia. Right. So you can start, you could actually sign up and to imagine what you can do with that. Once you do that, there are other websites that will go in and take that information and create their own. Does that make sense?

Yes. So it comes up more and more and more on you. Like you can almost do it yourself. Right. You could also write a small article about yourself and post it on multiple blogs. Like you can start forcing stuff down on you because this is more recent stuff.

And if you look at it a lot from different IP addresses, it populates higher too, so it pushes everything down. I like that, though. That's a smart comment. That's really basically all the good questions. What's there one about? about um there was one about so there was one question i know some guy had asked about like what

crimes are there any crimes that you came up with in prison i think that was the last one remember i told you i used to walk when i when i got a no that was the other podcast i did that on um no that's not on this one well there was there was one guy i remember i read one question where it's like are there any crimes that that you came up with with while you were incarcerated. And I know, because I know I read that one, and I was like, I was like, you know what, we should do, we can do a whole, I could do a whole podcast on that. Because it'd be, it'd be kind of like the tax, the drop, the tax scam.

Right. And just how, because you had done the tax scam. And we were going to talk about how it's kind of dried up and why it's dried up. And then how it could, how it's evolved and different versions of it that I saw while I was incarcerated. Right. And then, you know, different ways that it's slowly evolving. And anyway, so that's like.

like a whole podcast on its on its own and we're actually going to do a podcast on that and it may be after this podcast i don't know that's up to colby but anyway it'll it'll be something about the tax scam or something about it'll be called something about tax scams or uh income tax scams or something i don't know it'll be titled something tax scam so we'll uh we'll look at we'll check out that out next time and are we good okay so that's it all right uh so this is my name's matt cox and And that's Zach, and we just did the podcast. And so if you like the podcast, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell, share the video. Can you guys?

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