Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Truth About WES WATSON, JOEY MERLINO & FAKE GANGSTERS

Episode Date: April 3, 2024

The Truth About WES WATSON, JOEY MERLINO & FAKE GANGSTERS ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I see these guys come on and they build a YouTube channel based on all lies. So Merlino, I was with him for over a year. Did he know I was a rat? No, he didn't know that, obviously. Like, if this is happening all the time, this guy, West Watson, why are you hating on West? I'm not hating on West. You don't have to lie about, oh, I did 10 years in prison.
Starting point is 00:00:20 I was on a class three yard in California. Actually, you were never in a California penitentiary. Well, you know what's funny is, I, I always. always love this line you lying rat no no I'm actually an honest rat yeah tell the wrong lying because you're saying you know because you're saying that you didn't do it when you did and you're mad at me because I said you did do it and so now I'm the lying but I'm not lying so right you're really upset because you're a liar and I'm honest that's what it really is So, and I, what I, what kills me is that I see these guys come on and they, they build a YouTube channel based on all lies or they, they get a memoir or they get a, like, bro, this guy had like a fucking, he hit a, he had a, um, a documentary that was being put together on. He, he, he, he, I forget who it was a, it was a black, it was like black, black stone publishing gave him a huge advance. Uh, they wrote a book. Like, it, it was massive. Right. It was a huge. Right. It was a huge.
Starting point is 00:01:28 huge deal. And then when it did Ron English, I think that's his name. And, uh, is this guy out of England. Is he out of England? Ron English. A problem. Yeah, he is. Yeah, he's out of the UK somewhere. Um, so, but I mean, he did his and it blew up. So then when it blew up, it's like, wow, your bullshit's really working. But guess what? The problem is it's work, it's about to work against you. Yeah. And then it did it where it suddenly they were so, listen, this guy is, he's good. Tears. up cries at certain moments talks about how Whitey Bulger's gang came and got him from his father
Starting point is 00:02:04 and trained him to be a killer and I mean just it's just insane Right And anyway They didn't really have a lot of problems Doing all that himself Right But but the
Starting point is 00:02:14 You know He went to prison for 23 years It's like you went to prison for six Like one three years in the state Three and a half in the feds And he just across the board It's all bullshit The only time he was ever accused
Starting point is 00:02:25 Or arrested or accused of murder went was when or attempted murder was when he choked his wife out or baby's mama out and she passed out and then one eight hundred choke a hoe yeah so it just um yeah it's just just just ridiculous bro like like and this guy had like and it all went bad like and this is happening all the time this guy west watson these guys and it was so funny is like people are like you know why are you hating on west i'm not hating on west i'm sure west is a wonderful fucking human just don't fucking lie but why do you have you don't have to lie about oh i did 10 years in prison i was on a class three yard in california actually you were never in a in a california penitentiary
Starting point is 00:03:06 you were in a a ari you were in never in any never in a never in a pen you were in a medium and a low you know even say you did seven years you're just like you're six and a half seven years not 10 you did like it's like and i don't care but but but why are they fucking lying is it the same deal where you get these people that will admit to being murderers that never did anything is that is it is it that type of bullshit i don't you know it made the clout they want the clout to compete with the stories of everybody else my opinion um i don't get it i don't get it so look let me put it this way i so i wrote a book about a guy named marcus shrinker who jumped out of an airplane like he you've heard of him he in 2008 financial
Starting point is 00:03:46 crisis his i've heard of him yeah they raided his office he took his plane up he called in a a distress signal jumped out we was caught three days later i mean oh i was about to say i thought you meant it was suicide i was not no no he he said that the my my windshield spider cracked turbulence of course the the air traffic controller like there's no turbulence like we and they're like you know go you know bring the plane down bring the plane down and you know he's going you know up and he's like then he opens the door and he jumps out and anyway the plane was supposed he thought the plane was going to go out over the gulf right and instead because he opened the door it burned off more fuel and ran out of fuel a couple miles shy and ended up crashing into like a little swampy area
Starting point is 00:04:30 oh so he was trying to fake his own death make his own death okay all right now i'm getting it up i wrote a memoir about him called bailout well here's the thing he would lie about one being a fighter pilot in the uh he was so i mean what it depends he would never say this to me but he told everybody else that knew me. And I'm reading articles where he had lied to his neighbors telling him about how he flew 40 sorties during desert, during desert storm. During desert storm, you were 18. You would have been the youngest fighter pilot in history in the military. You can't go in the military, go through flight school.
Starting point is 00:05:11 First of all, you have to call the college degree. You didn't even graduate until you're fucking 23 or 24. So, you know, that's not true. So, you know, then you have to go through. flight school. Then you have to have training. Then you have, like, there's all these things you have to do. So you would have been at most, 25, 26, maybe at best, you were 18. Right. So the point is he would lie about all these ridiculous things. But here's what's. Oh, he also said he worked for NASA at one point. He was a test pilot for NASA. He also was he also investigated the
Starting point is 00:05:40 Challenger. Now, was he telling you this bullshit as truth to? No, he's telling other people. But I'm reading about it but he never addresses it to me while i'm writing his memoir so i'm finding things out about it but i'm also talking people know i'm writing his memoir and you know i'm sitting there eating eating lunch with some guy and they're like you're writing no shrinkers memoir i'm like yeah they're like bro the shit he did in afghanistan alone is worth writing about and i'm like what do in afghanistan they're like you don't know i'm like no i don't and then they tell me and i'd be like yeah that's par for the course but here's the problem with him pathological liar obviously but here's the thing you have a double major and a
Starting point is 00:06:22 master's degree you have an a drop-dead gorgeous wife three beautiful children you live in a two and a half million dollar house you are a pilot a stunt pilot you have two airplanes all of which is true by the way you are a top oh you own your own wealth management firm you're a top tier person on the face right i mean just absolutely like and all that's true why would you why would you lie about being a fighter pilot being like all these other things he would just blatantly lie about and that's kind of like these guys it's like look you went to prison you went to prison for seven years you have a decent crime story you don't you don't have to embellish it you don't have to say seven years is a long time in prison
Starting point is 00:07:11 It doesn't have to be 10, you know, you go with your story, the real story, because if you fake it and it blows up on you, you've blown everything. You might have to work a little bit harder, be a little bit more charismatic, but you can do it based on the face value because these guys went to prison. Right. So why lie about it? It doesn't. Yeah, it makes no sense. No sense. Right. Right. Not that I desire to had anymore, but like I have to put it into my part. I was only. everybody's like, how long did you have to be in there? I was like, 48 hours. But it felt longer. Yeah. I never wanted to go back. I was only in there 48 hours. First of all, you don't, you don't even have to go to prison to have a crime story.
Starting point is 00:07:56 You know, you're saying, like, for instance, yours. Like, you don't, you know, like, hey, here's what happened. Like, when you tell that story, it's fucking riveting. Yeah. You've taken one event and you've scrolled it out, including all the little minute details that made it. almost a tragedy in a way it was a tragedy just wasn't as bad as it could have been right so these guys i don't get it they if the problem is they can't really tell their stories they don't know enough detail and it falls apart and there's so many of those guys out there well
Starting point is 00:08:29 the same thing in the mob genre too and a lot of times you run into people and they've kind of gotten hip to a lot of people probably know or assume they're lying but every story involves someone that is no longer with us. So to verify that they're lying is very, very difficult. Right. The question is, then, do you just let the son of a bitch is talk? Because I'm not, I've not been that guy. You know, like Bill O'Hanlon, I let him tell his story that I'm like, yeah, let's, let's talk.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Well, I don't think he thought you had known some of that stuff. He even said he's like, you sound like the FBI right. I had pulled his indictment. I'd watched his interviews, I'd done all that shit, had notes on the side. Hey, this is Matt Cox. I'm putting out a credit course. I'm going to create this course in order to help you legally build your credit so that you can have as much borrowing capacity as is legally possible. If you're interested in the course, go to the description box, click on the link, put in your email address.
Starting point is 00:09:36 You will be sent two letters. These are letters that I've personally used to help get rid of. rid of collections on people's credit and you will also be notified when the course comes out. I think personally, like I'm not like I'll ask some some probing questions, but you know, I'm not going to I'm not I'm not going to rip the carpet out from underneath somebody. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm not like it's like, hey, that doesn't make sense or hey, it sounds like you got to have some problems. Like I'm going to give them a little bit of pushback. But you have a lot of schedules too. I mean, you got you don't have so much time.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Well, not just that, but think about it. Look, here's the other problem. If you do that repeatedly, it becomes difficult to get guests. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and periodically, I'm, you know, periodic, like people will send me stuff. I'll read some articles. I'll check.
Starting point is 00:10:28 They'll send me their indictment. I'll look over some stuff. I don't have time to look over everything. You know, if something's completely unreasonable, I'm going to say, you were 14, you bought a car. How did that happen? Like, that doesn't make sense. And then they're like, oh, well, and they tell me, you know, then they explain it. They try and come up with whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:10:46 Maybe it's true. So, but sometimes it's like, hey, no, I had, well, I didn't buy it. Obviously, I had a guy who went in and bought it. I gave him at 500 bucks to do it. Crackhead. And then, you know, it kind of comes. I was like, okay, well, you know, whether it's true or not, I can't tell. But it's like, good cover.
Starting point is 00:11:00 But I'm not going to just let blatant ridiculous, you know, bullshit fly. Right. So. I was even uncomfortable watching that interview with Brett. Like, you know, I would have a second thought. I was like, I don't know if I would do this guy's show or not. He said, bitch, he's asking some questions. So what happened with, what was the other guy's name?
Starting point is 00:11:19 Joshua Moses. Joshua Moses. He starts telling this. And I let him go a little bit into it. I'm like, dude, how were you using this, this debit card when it wasn't even available until two years after the fraud that you claimed happened? And he looks at me. And I'm like, and we pulled up the site.
Starting point is 00:11:38 And then I pulled up. up the Better Business Bureau of when that that card went into business. I was like, this happens. And then I was like, you know, I read your blog. I was like, those are some really good blog. And he's like, yeah, man. I was like, the problem is, is you didn't write them. And he's like, what are you talking about? So I pull up his blog. I pull up the actual blog of the author who wrote it. It's word for word. Yeah, the connections going out. I don't know what. And he's sitting there the entire time. He's scratching. And I'm like, Are you sure you don't have a drug problem still?
Starting point is 00:12:12 Are you? Did you ask him that? No. Listen, I had people in the in the in the, um, I had people in the, um, I had people in the comment section saying, bro, I, I, you know, this guy's still fucking, he's something's up with this guy. He's still tweaking or he's still this or the. And you know, I'm like, uh, I mean, I don't seem all right to me.
Starting point is 00:12:33 But then I've never really been around. That's horrible, Brett. We're going to have to do this again. Never. Then tonight. It's not just the bad guys. Tonight I had these three kids from fucking Berkeley. They contacted me last month.
Starting point is 00:12:47 They've come out with a security product. I mean, if they were legitimate, it's going to make a shitload of money. Right. That recognizes refund fraud. The problem is, is halfway through our Zoom meeting, because they wanted a consultation from me, two of the founders tell me that they used to be refund fraudsters. And I'm sitting going, okay.
Starting point is 00:13:07 So the show tonight, is how this public company just launched last fucking week, two of the three founders are refund fraudsters. Yeah. Listen, I'm starting to feel like it's a mistake to confide into Brett. You know, like the next person I fucking,
Starting point is 00:13:27 I say, hey, you should talk to Brett. I'm a bit of a list. Yeah, you better watch out with that Johnson kid. That son of a bitch is ruthless. He's just trying to make sure he doesn't get any guests. yeah he's you better have your shit together um hey hey hey not to change the subject but you guys have seen escape from new york right i love escape for escape from new york should be nice listen that's right are you serious you want to hear something what i fucking watched about an
Starting point is 00:13:58 hour of it probably two three days ago i love that fucking movie yeah yeah um i've never You know what I've never seen? Escape from L.A. You're not missing a damn thing there. See, I watched about 20 minutes of it one time. And everybody's like, oh, I think it's great. And I watched 20 minutes of it. I said, yeah, I can't. I can't do it.
Starting point is 00:14:16 It's horrible. I think Escape from New York would be a great remake. Well, you know, the Rock was supposed to be taking over Snake Pliskin's job. Okay. And? But never got off the ground. So you know what else would be a great remake? Capricorn 1.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Oh, yeah. That's a good one. I've never seen. is it's it's it's fucking great it's a great movie it's about a they fake they they fake um a a land a landing on mars yeah so they fake it the rocket takes off they take the crew out just beforehand let the rocket go out bring them to this local this location in the middle of the nevada desert and they they basically say look you know the system that we put in was going to you know for your life support was was going to work just great till you were about halfway there and it would have broken.
Starting point is 00:15:09 You guys would have died. So we had to pull you off. They were like, yeah, but the ship just went off. Like we're listening to the radio. People think it went off. They're like, right, we can't cancel it because they already want to cancel the program. We're going to put 3,500 guys out of work. So we're just going to make, pretend that it actually goes there and lands.
Starting point is 00:15:25 And by the way, we've already rebuilt an entire set here. So at that time, people were, when that movie came out, people were starting to say like the moon landing had been faked. Right. So they use this as a, hey, what if they did fake like a Mars landing. So then what happens is when they're when they do fake it. And then when Capricorn one comes back into the, it's supposed to land just off course and they're going to pick them up and they're going to pretend like they really went. Well, guess what? It burns up in the atmosphere coming in. And so they're like, man, it burnt up in the atmosphere. So you got like these four guys or these three astronauts sitting in this warehouse going, well, if it burnt up. what's going to happen with us? And they realize, oh, they're going to kill us. Because they already just told them if they didn't go along with, they were going to kill them. This is NASA. This is not the friendly NASA, but we like.
Starting point is 00:16:17 You don't, you don't tell them no. No. So listen, it's great. Like there's a whole, there's a, this is where it goes. It's really a bad movie is where they chase them through the desert. That's where it gets really bad. Like, it's just total B movie in the chase. But they do kill O.J. Simpson, which is kind of cool.
Starting point is 00:16:31 Because he's one of the astronauts. And then eventually they, they eventually, they, they eventually, they kill everybody. about one guy and he ends up showing up at his own funeral which sounds hokey but it's actually kind of good anyway it would be a great remake and i got one more remake which i think i think about this a lot these are these are the conversations you by the way wade these are the conversations you have in prison that's true that's very true they go on for hours i'm good with having him here though just that's what that's what you talk about the other one is um uh logan Logan's run Logan's run that I'm pretty sure I have seen yeah we like
Starting point is 00:17:08 yeah get it outside of that little underground shit yeah did you guys ever watch 24 I never did see that that is the most addictive television show I think that has ever been created I'm not saying it's the best I don't have it in that category got good reviews but I I didn't even I don't even think I watched that thing until it was like season six and obviously having a huge football fan so it was on fox they would play those commercials every damn commercial break and by the time season six rolled around i'm like well obviously this thing's good it's got six seasons and the commercials for a tv show made it look like a damn action movie and when i finally started watching it bro i was hooked and obviously i burned through them and i think like maybe
Starting point is 00:17:52 a month ago it was around christmas i i don't know how i landed on it but somehow i landed on one of the episodes and i've been going back and just like binging them and friend Anybody that doesn't know the premise of the show, 24, is whatever time of the day it starts, it's in real time. So if it starts at 8 o'clock in the morning, 24 episodes for a whole season, each episode being an hour for the entire season is consisting of one day. It's really well, I love that show. I wish I'm going to have to start watching that is what you, is what you're telling me. Oh, yeah. If you do, man, I'm telling you, you'll burn through it.
Starting point is 00:18:26 I watch about the last one. All right. I'll do that. I'm actually making my way through the, uh, the battle star galactica stuff right now i'm on the second season of that liking it a lot like it yeah that's another one that it's like they they they put these these shows together and they just didn't have what it takes to pull them off no they didn't know but they tried and you have to you know admire that and brett speaking of indictments have you read the recent indictment on
Starting point is 00:18:57 Vincent Kennedy McMahon The Bill Ginear recent I guess he's not the owner anymore He's not the owner anymore So is he going to serve time
Starting point is 00:19:11 Is the question on that See I've got to show I'm doing tomorrow With a young lady about some of these allegations But I don't really know how You would classify that because it's saying Trafficking And it doesn't sound like what went on there would be trafficking i think she's using the fact that he pressured her
Starting point is 00:19:32 allegedly pressured her into having rendezvous with other members of the company as like gold bird or some bullshit uh well i think they were alluding to brock lesner even though he wasn't named that's it one of them was said like it was a guy from the ufc they were trying to get back they were setting up a time for him to get together apparently that guy got really drunk the meat never happened but there's only a very minimal amount of guys that they would have gotten from ufc brock being you know the main one yeah um but outside of that some of the other stuff is in that indictment is crazy i don't know if like i said if i would classify that as trafficking um i mean if you if you're delivering so if you're pressuring and delivering
Starting point is 00:20:13 those women for sexual services that's trafficking absolutely it is like personally delivering or just arranging. So if he was, if he was telling the girls, hey, go service this guy. They got you on that. If they can prove it. And we know the, the, you know, the level for proof on stuff like that right now is not horribly high. Right. You know, how long ago was this, though? Is it actually limitations up? They met in 2019 and all of the alleged stuff that took place was from there up until like 2020 late 2022 early 2023 it's supposedly named the sexual toys depending on the color yeah he had them separated by race and then he also gave him names of prior wrestlers and i'm going to say this right now for a limited time at
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Starting point is 00:22:08 I mean, you think about it too. It's in her, you said she signed an NDA. Yeah. So it's in her best interest to get. him charged because it won't stand up if it's in a legal activity like that's that's if it's fraud or legal i was curious of like at that point in time what the hell's an end day a worth it's not worth the papers printed on but but also the india did require she was settling for a three million dollar payout she got a one million dollar portion of that was supposed to get
Starting point is 00:22:40 the rest and never did wish i bet he wish he'd paid that now that he does too like that's probably that really add up to me either though i mean this man is a multi-billionaire with a b for him to not pay two million dollars is like us skipping out he's got history of that bullshit with wrestlers though man yeah he fucked over red heart other people too look it doesn't matter if you're worth 10 million or 20 million you don't want to lose money people don't like lose it like listen some of the richest people i know are get irritated about you know if if they feel like like what how much 62 dollars that's ridiculous like they'll get listen Devereoli, who was worth millions, I listened to him argue for five minutes because he didn't
Starting point is 00:23:20 want to pay three stamps for two apples. It was like, what are you doing? Like I'm saying, I go, finally, I go, what the fuck are you doing, bro? We're supposed to be meeting ready. And he was like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:23:33 It's just some of these guys that are just so greedy. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? You've got like $7 million seeing in a bank account right now. My wife is, well, not over millions, but I mean, she will hold up a line if something is not the correct price that it was on the shelf in the grocery store and like when it starts to draw a crowd and we're getting lines wrapped down in the aisle. I'm like, you know what? I'll just give you the $5 if you'll let us get the fuck out of here and nobody quit staring. Yeah, I'll be in
Starting point is 00:24:00 the car. Yeah, exactly. I'll bring the car around. It'll be okay. Oh, my God. What else is going on? Shit, that's it. How was the, how was the six hour Lex Friedman? interview. It was trimmed down to that. It was seven and a half hours. Only Matt Toss can pull that off. I'm going to pull that out there now. I mean, damn, dude. Is it everybody, by the way, Brett, everybody asked me, they're like, how did you, how did you pull that off? I said, well, my wife sent me a text that said, why haven't you been on Lex Friedman just out of the blue she never says anything why haven't you been on that show and I went I mean I don't know she's like you know like five people that have been
Starting point is 00:24:52 interviewed by him why haven't you been interviewed I went I said I guess I could reach out to him I said but I guess I'm afraid of rejection and she is well you need to get on that yeah and I went I said I said you know I was and I thought yeah he can only say no if you don't ask at all you never get on right so I so I so I sent like right then I sent uh Brett a text and I said, hey, bro, I'm really, I hate to ask you this and I'm so sorry. And but do you think you connect me with, with Lex Friedman? He said, sure, I'll be home in 15 minutes. I'll send it, uh, I'll send it a, uh, I'll send this really bad email.
Starting point is 00:25:30 This really bad email. I looked at it. My first thought after reading was I was like, not for a mastermind, not thought out well, um, it was like Lex, uh, uh, meet Matt Cox. he was on the secret service i think you'd like talking to him and then immediately even said with that tone of voice i think you'd like talking to him and then followed it up with another one because he misspelled something or something he said oh stupid me i meant this and then said something else put his wrong email address on there you got to have ad you're going to contact
Starting point is 00:26:00 him and i thought i thought i think feel like this is a mistake like i feel like i should have just got his email i'm not sure i need i want brett suggesting um lower the I believe I should have crafted the email for him. Here, let me send you what I want you to do. Yeah. Like I, I pictured, I immediately pictured Brett writing it out in green crown, you know, like, so anyway. And then I, I said, you know, hey, hey, hey, Lex, really would love to, you know, and, and then he came back at, I said, I think he came back and said something like, like, I don't know, he didn't say. said anything then i can't like waited like two days or something no he he said something like
Starting point is 00:26:47 i'll yeah he responded he's like nice to meet you virtually or something yeah night yeah real real quick like i'll get back with you and and then it was like two days later i was like hey bro and and and and then he came back he said matt can you come out on monday to air uh or no on friday to um was it austin was it can you come out to austin on friday or next wednesday i'll be you know um wherever it was fort lauderdale and you could meet me at the retts i was like oh well first of all there's no way i'm getting permission to go to austin you know what i'm saying not not in one day like it was like this was thursday so i was like uh yeah wednesday yeah we can do wednesday and he said great i'll meet you in the lobby text me when you're there you know at one o'clock
Starting point is 00:27:31 that was it so like the whole way we're driving there like uh jess is going so we're driving all the way you've never you've haven't said anything things Since, no. Have you texted him? No. Do you know that this is his phone number? He gave it to me. He said just text you when you get there. Yeah. And you're going to drive. We're going to drive four driving four and a half hours. Yeah. I don't want to bother him. Right. And she's like, what if he just doesn't respond? I'm like, well, then we'll come back. And she's like, okay. So anyway, we get there. I text him. And we're within two minutes. He's like, I'll be down in five minutes. You know, and he came down, took a picture with Jess. And I didn't get a picture. I don't know why. I was just. you know like and then we went upstairs he has the two cameras we sat down we you know we started the interview he takes the pictures of you you know says here stand right here face this way all right look like your thought provoking look serious look and he takes all these pictures and then we sat down we started talking at about two hours we stopped and i didn't know it had been two hours he just suddenly it was like hey can we take a break sure fine go to the bathroom
Starting point is 00:28:41 drink some water sit back down start again and then he goes uh when we stopped again bathroom break okay and then he said um i texted jess i was like hey i'll be done in like 30 minutes to an hour this was at that that point i think was about three hours in three and a half maybe i was about to ask where she was yeah four hours so it keep mind i have no idea what time it is i'm you know i'm not like hey how long so you know but we he keeps talking and we keep and it's funny Because multiple times I stopped and I was like, hey, I can wrap this up in about like five because I look at him and I thought he's just staring at me like like like this. And I thought I don't think he's you know. But I was like, okay, I need to just wrap this up. Like at this point, I really can wrap it up in like five minutes. He's like. And he's and his girlfriend was there. And they would both go like no. He's like no, keep going. I was like, you know, this is gold. This is gold. And I was like, okay, because he doesn't look interested. It doesn't look like he was interested. Right. He's like. Not asking a lot of questions. So I was like, okay.
Starting point is 00:29:41 So I kept going, kept going. So when it was finally done and we wrap it up, we sit back and I was like, okay, cool, cool. And keep my, my phone was on airplane mode. So he said, how long you think this has been? I go, hmm, it's been like three hours, right? About three hours? And he goes, seven and a half hours. And my first thought was, I'm getting divorced.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Exactly. Exactly. I told her hours. ago 30 minutes to an hour that was full like three and a half hours listen she is sleeping in the back of the car in a parking lot and i was like and i so i immediately grabbed my phone start texting her she's not awake i'm like oh my god i'm in trouble she left she left that would have been my thought all right she's gone he's gone um yeah she answered and i was you know went and got in the car and and left and uh yeah he was
Starting point is 00:30:36 totally cool he was like he said he's going to have it done on Sunday was Wednesday I was like oh really he's like yeah yeah I'm not not holding this I was like oh cool cool well Sunday he didn't have it done so I texted him hey what's going on he's like listen man it's a long podcast and he was like I just having you know it's this is a like you know this is this is this is tough to edit and I was like okay then Monday case it'll come out Monday or Tuesday well Monday came it didn't Tuesday came it didn't and then suddenly I started getting texts boom boom boom I was in the middle of podcast boom boom boom boom boom boom and i looked down i was like oh shit it got released so and then
Starting point is 00:31:14 and then it's like six hours hours what the fuck yeah he trimmed it he trimmed it way down i mean congratulations major congrats all that yeah i mean it's it's really cool right like i i'm excited i'm excited do you guys ever discuss like how long you want to go with your own stories because both you've been on you know multiple podcast you all ever discussed like time limits or anything like I will sometimes, like if I'll say, hey, you know, do you have, do you have a timeline? But usually guys that do long for them, they're like, pro as long as it takes. I'm like, bro, I'll go for fucking three, four hours. They're like, yeah, go.
Starting point is 00:31:51 Yeah, like the, the Peterson thing with me was supposed to last 90 minutes. It went over two and a half. So, yeah, he just keep going. Okay, we'll go. You know, I'm supposed to be on Pierce Morgan the next week or so. So we'll see how that shit goes. I, I, I, yeah. you got to plug your channel bro i know i know believe you me i know yeah because i'm never going
Starting point is 00:32:15 to get guests with the shit i'm pulling no you're not that's going to dry up um i think you'll get a lot of viewers for the guest yes but the podcast you've got to convert this to podcast i mean you have to convert this to um subscribers right you know or it's not gonna no that's the biggest yeah i think i get more bumps and subscribers when I do the shows like with you guys and obviously when I done Matt and concrete right he's like that the one that I didn't get really much on and it didn't do well view wise and I was so disappointed and I thought it was probably the best I'd ever told my story was Sean Atwood really get a bump from that not not a big one I mean it only had 13,000
Starting point is 00:33:01 views yeah yeah which was like very strange so what about Ian Beck I think I'm over a hundred on him hundred thousand okay his tic talks i think he released him twice like he done like eight of them after the show was over you know how he puts them out periodically and then the new years like new year's eve he put them all out again i think you may have changed the the title or something like that in him but it was the same ones over again right and so it kind of got the tick to definitely got a boost after that if you add up the first one and the second one together I would be the most viewed TikTok on his whole profile. It's already it's second by itself from the first one.
Starting point is 00:33:46 It's like one's at seven and a half million. And another one's like five and a half million. Outstanding. So that one tick to get that one did very well. Concrete's over 200 and Matt, I think we're like right up under a hundred the one I did on your show. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:59 Yeah. Um, yeah, I was going to say too like Brett's, but you're the remake of your channel like the thumbnails look great. the banner looks good they're doing good yeah yeah they they they it looks like like way better than your other than you know I was one man's show and I didn't really give a shit yeah I feel that I feel that Matt that always seems like you need to do this you need to do that I'm like no but I don't have time yeah well I mean there's some things that it's like it's like the you know the name of it and the thumbnail so important yeah it's ridiculous but it is important yeah and it's like
Starting point is 00:34:37 which is also difficult like if you're trying to do it yourself and you're not really proficient with like Photoshop then it's hard yeah and even then sorry go ahead no I was just going to say really quick I can't tell you like how upset and glad I've been at myself over the last two weeks because I just found that Adobe website you can put in a photo and it will erase the background for free yes or easy like instantly and I've been using an app on my phone to trace around everything that I've raised the background on for the last two plus years wow yeah so you you you you've you felt like the you know a miracle right there oh yes yes my god that's how i've been able to do these last few thumbnails that we've changed up that i was telling mad about because i can just
Starting point is 00:35:23 throw them in there now and erase the background i'm like oh my god this is so time safe yeah yeah i would wait till you can well i was going to say with photoshop like you can add the glow effect and there's just all kind of stuff you can do it's insane I'm not to do all that. Yeah. So I've got to ask, at what point, especially with Matt, because you said that you were needing guests, all right? So it's been Matt Cox inside true crime, but obviously you're diversifying. So is the channel name going to stay the same?
Starting point is 00:35:56 What's going to go on there? Yeah, I'm going to keep with Inside True Crime. I like Inside True Crime. You know, it's like the problem is, you know, if you. I mean, if you, if you go to, you go to college and you always end up taking like, you know, intro to business. So I took intro to, and one of the things they teach you in intro to business is you never name a business after yourself. It causes problems. You know, the business is built so that you can, it can survive.
Starting point is 00:36:25 It can be sold. It can be. So you don't want to do that. You know, and obviously there's, there's different, you know, there's, there's, there's always a, you know, exceptions where somebody, you know, Charles Schwab or whatever. But, you know, but even those, most of those businesses were started back when this, you know, back, you know, back of the 1920s and 30s. And so. So anyway, so the rule of thumb is you don't do that. So I thought inside true crime because I thought at some point I can hand it off to somebody if I build it up and I could bring somebody on for three months and then hand it off and they could take it over and then they could pay me. Like, what if I want to retire someday? What if I like, what if I get busy doing something else and I just decide, you know what? I don't want to do this anymore. It's like, okay, well, you know, what if you have. a million subscribers right you're gonna walk away from that like you need to be able to hand it off the problem is that that's an outdated model and people are watching the channel yes for the guests but also for me and when you look at your analytics you start to realize nobody's looking up inside true
Starting point is 00:37:27 crime like it's less than five percent of the people they're looking up true crime matt true crime Cox true crime two or three percent are looking at inside true crime the bulk of people are looking up Matt Cox to find the channel like this like 50 60 percent and then maybe 30 percent are Matthew Cox got you that's it so it's like the bulk of it is my name and it's like why do you have a channel called inside true crime like you know Danny uh what danian and and Julian were like you got to rename you got what are you doing and I had a couple other guys so and then Colby came and he's like yeah he's like look at the analytics he said what you got to change it let's get rid of inside true crime it's like i don't want to get rid of it let's just put my name inside true
Starting point is 00:38:09 crime so that was it long story long long version of brett yours is the brett johnson show right so i've got the brett johnson show and i've got the the criminal thoughts podcast with brett johnson yeah which is the one where i'm calling out every son of a bitch on the planet yeah that's that's short lived um i don't have a name value like y'all so crime and then Wood Wade and the beard. Yeah, but you, you know, look, you can, you can brand anything, you know, craft. That's not a name. That that's a made up.
Starting point is 00:38:41 Craft is made up. Haugendos made up, you know, there's so many brands that are, you know, Canon, the term, you know, the Canon computer or Canon, um, copy machines like right. Canon has nothing to do with copy. Like there's so many brands that are out there that they said, hey, this is the name we're going with. Some of them are just making up words, obviously, like, you know, craft. So you're making up words and they said, you know, if we just brand the shit out of this, it'll be something. So you can, if you start, you need to look at your analytics and say how are the part of your analytics that were saying, how are people finding my channel?
Starting point is 00:39:16 Because that may be the issue. You might be like, holy shit. You know, you might already, you might already look at it and say, oh my God, people are looking my name up. Like, that's 30% of how people are finding me already. So at that point, and you know, you can go into your analytics on your channel and you can put key words to help locate the channel. Like I don't know if you put your name in there yet. I can I look at, I can look at Wade and tell he didn't. But you can go in and put things like, you know, you can put true crime, entertainment, movies, mob movies.
Starting point is 00:39:48 Like you can go in a list a whole group of them. Yeah. Like that may be an issue. Yeah. I mean, I need to do that. Crime and entertainment just encompasses everything. I do very well. It's actually a great name.
Starting point is 00:40:01 It really is. It is. So, you know, but, you know, great. It's like, you know, do you, if you do you do you, if you do something that you love and it doesn't work, then you kind of need to rethink it. Right. So I don't say it's not working. I'm just saying you might think like, look, Julian did it. Julian rebranded his whole thing.
Starting point is 00:40:24 You know, he was, he was. Oh, gosh. What was it? Um. It was called a, I think, I'm going to say it wrong. I think I wasn't, it was like trend to finder or trend to try to trend to fighter. Trend to finder, let's say, like finding trends or something. I don't know, something like that.
Starting point is 00:40:43 Yeah, trend of fire. Yeah. And he bought it because the domain was available and, you know, and thought, yeah, yeah, you know, and he thought, yeah, you know, and he thought he'd brand it. And of course, he's got a degree in business or finance or something. So he's taken a bit. So he thought that. But then eventually after doing it for a year. year and a half to two years he realized people are look the one they don't they can't even spell it
Starting point is 00:41:03 they don't even know what it is and two people are finding his channel by by putting in his name right so what am i doing and that's how i felt like what am i doing like i needed as much as i love the name and you know it's funny you know how i came up with that name inside true crime i was in prison right so i wanted to start a website because i didn't know what youtube was when i was locked up and there was a girl named Joy that was helping me and boy let me talk she was a brute brutal brutal like it was like a friend of of a friend who said look I've got a friend on the outside if you pay her you know she'll help you and I was like I'll pay her like I had I had made money while I was in prison writing books and doing so I was like I'll pay her right and so I got on the phone with her and this is how
Starting point is 00:41:55 the conversation worked. She said, because she was a real estate agent. She goes, first of all, let me tell you right now, I'm disgusted by what you did. It's people like you that ruined this economy. She was, I was a real estate agent. She goes, and I could have done the things that you did. And I chose not to. Now, I stopped myself from saying, I doubt you could have done by right. You're a real estate agent. Your job. I'll let you say it, but we both know that ain't true. Right. I need you. So you get to talk to me like this. You know, like your job consists of turning a key and saying, this is the bedroom, you know, like, stop it. So anyway, but let's say it's true. So, and I was like, okay, okay. And she goes on it. She's, oh, and by the way, she says,
Starting point is 00:42:34 don't ask me to read your stories. I'm not reading them. I'm not interested. I'm not, she's, I'm appalled by crime. I, she says, I'm going to help you because, you know, so and so told, asked me to help you. And I was like, okay, she's, I will send you an invoice. The first time you don't pay it, we're done. I said, no problem. And she was like, okay. So, she's a pit bull she was a pit bull bro like if i said hey i really need to get in contact with this guy man she'd hound the shit out of somebody she like she did all kinds of and i was like look one of the things i need to do is i need you to start i want to i want to lock down a website i need an email address i need to lock down a website and i was like i really like because this
Starting point is 00:43:12 is something my prosecutor had said about me she said mr cox wrote the book on fraud but we wrote the last chapter i said i want last chapter dot com wasn't available i want the Lastchapter.com, not available. So she came back. She's like, look, I got your eight different variants. I looked them all up. They're all taken. Or you can buy one for, you know, $1,500, which I know you're not doing. So we went, she's so we're going with inside true crime because, you know, you're in prison and you're inside and you write true crime. So we're going with that. So I got you the domain name that she already paid for it. Like that was it. The decision was made. So I didn't choose the name. This bulldog chick chose the name. And she's like, I also got you a judge.
Starting point is 00:43:53 Gmail for our inside true crime because that's available too she says that's the best you're going to get so what else do you want me to do i'm like jesus god almighty that's it's not horrible it's not and i listen i was first i walked around like jesus man i can't believe this and and i thought about it for about like a lot of times i get i'll get irritated this and then i think about it and think you know it's really not bad not bad and what is it man then i told myself the craft story and the canon and the hog and doss and i said you can brand anything bro that works fuck it let's move on you got bigger fish to fry you got 20 more years to do so yeah i didn't even think of the crime entertainment name i was talking to my buddy that did it when i first started it and i was telling
Starting point is 00:44:39 him like he's like what all do you want to do i'm like i don't know we'll talk about movies we'll talk about you know whatever i wasn't even thinking about interviewing people the time i was just wanting to jump all over i was like i'll talk about rustling whatever he's like so you want to want to do crime and entertainment and i'm like and you went that's pretty good right that's my name right there that's yeah that's it you're it's it's it was born right then in there um and then brett johnson we that was always uh that was a given yeah threat never thought for one second not to name it after himself that's exactly right that's exactly and what i saw freedman he was like he told me at the interview he's like really glad that you've named your show the brett johnson show i wish i
Starting point is 00:45:25 would have started my show like that to begin with and i was like well thank you so much i hadn't thought of anything else it just won't grow because you know i'm i'm that son of a bitch um all these people reach out to me and i still got you know 30 200 so matt and well and brett be a question for both of you guys how do you get people to like reach out to y'all to want to be a guest on the show is an email or mad i know you have a few people that help you but like track down people but i mean like i mention it during things like this i need guests the bar is low you know if you can tell a story listen i had a guy and i give this speech by the way to everybody this is my speech listen i need an hour of your true
Starting point is 00:46:16 crime story. We can talk about whatever's going on now that you're proud of and how you've rebuilt your lives and all the, or your life and you started this and you've done this. But I need a minimum of an hour. If it goes two hours, I'm fucking thrilled. But I need at least an hour. That's what I tell them. And then they go, okay, okay. So I had, I talked to this guy the other day. I said, you sent me your bio. I get it. But that's honestly 10, 15 minutes of your story. I need at least an hour of the crime story. He's like, oh, I was arrested a bunch of times. I can talk about that. I can this.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Yeah, yeah. I can definitely do over an hour. It's like, great. Then we can talk about the ministry and all these other things that, these wonderful things that you're doing. I love that. That's great. You go into prison.
Starting point is 00:46:56 You talk to people, the whole thing. I interviewed him today. 18 minutes later, we're done. 18 minutes. I stopped in. And we only was in it when 18 was because I stopped him like two or three times.
Starting point is 00:47:08 And so, well, I don't understand how, like I tried to coax him. But after the third time, I realized, wow, bro. like did you listen to me at all yesterday like i and i i sat there and i was so by the third time i
Starting point is 00:47:20 thought no no i'm not doing this and he by the way you could tell because he's been he was run like a ministry for like 30 years he's been saying this story for 30 years and it could he couldn't comprehend how to how to say more than what was in that little bio like he's got like a two-page bio it's 15 minutes of reading and i thought he can't do it he's not like it's not you're not If you do force it, it's going to sound, you're really going to start to sound like an asshole. Right. You know, no, no, no, no, no, I probably should have hit pause and said, hey, listen, man, what the fuck are you doing? But even then it wasn't going to, it was going to, I was going to get five more minutes.
Starting point is 00:47:58 Right. And so I just had like, okay, okay, okay. And it was done. I was like, well, how do you feel like this is gone? He's like, oh, I feel good about that. Oh, that's great, bro. All right, well, let's wrap this up. Okay, thanks.
Starting point is 00:48:08 You know, wrapped it up. And then I immediately went on and told Colby, bro, like don't even, don't even post this. right it i can't post a 15 minute video right so so but yeah so i have that talk with them like look if don't come on here and shoot and talk for 30 minutes if like if you don't have a third if you don't have a if you don't have a here's what bothers me too it's the guys that do this you know so you know um i got caught up in a in a in a conspiracy and i you know so i got six years so when i was in pro whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa what was the conspiracy oh man you know a guy like his guy would do is flinging dope and you know he sold me some dope and
Starting point is 00:48:48 i was on the on the wire so i end up you know so i end up in prison and it's like oh whoa whoa whoa whoa wait so how did you get caught again on the thing and then they say again man like you know the guy was you know the DEA was on him and shit and i ended up in the conspiracy so anyway it's like and you know by the third or fourth time it's like the fuck aren't you you're not picking up what i'm putting that you've been arrested five times you've gone to prison three times each arrest could be a fucking 45 minute to an hour podcast but see these guys spend so much time with each other that they don't realize that those details to some guy who's loading a shelf in the back of a Walmart wants to know those he doesn't know anybody like you right so when
Starting point is 00:49:35 somebody says yeah yeah so i was arrested if you hang out with a bunch of guys that have been arrested five or six or ten times then they're like right anyway so what happened when you got down downtown but if you've never been arrested then they want to know did they bang on the door did they catch you walking out to your car did they grab you leave and work do they pull the guns on you was it two guys or 15 were your kids worth you were you scared they throw you on the ground were they assholes how tough how tight were the cuffs like those that's the beauty of being being a storyteller and these guys breeze right over it sometimes and it's frustrating as fuck especially when you know somebody that's got an amazing story you know how many times i've seen that
Starting point is 00:50:15 i've i've talked to somebody we're 45 minutes in their story and i'm just thinking you got a fucking you've got a a a true crime book you've got a series in you right now and i can't get the story out of you right that's so many tim mcbrides yeah so how often does that happen half at least half and sometimes it's frustrating like listen when wade sat down and started talking listen i wish every single person was wade Wade was i was like listen i got on the phone immediately and talked called danny you got listen to me this guy's taking one event he's got the whole build up so that by the time it goes wrong for him You want you care about it.
Starting point is 00:51:08 You're you're infuriated that that they they took the investigation the wrong way. You're pissed. Why? Cause I like Wade because I like Wade and I like the idea of Wade and his wife getting back together. And I love the in the kids and the like you you love the whole thing. These guys by the time they get arrested. I'm like, well, thank God they got you off the street. You're a fucking menace.
Starting point is 00:51:35 So. well i purposely part when i went down to florida i booked three days down there and that was kind of like i guess betting on myself if you i said well i know if i do a good job with matt he'll probably recommend me to danny so why not just have two extra days to hang around in case he wants to do it and if i suck and he don't i'm still in florida so it's not the worst place to be there you go days yeah yeah it's too bad it's too bad about these you have more like i guess does it happen more often what people that have never really told the story before or these people that have told their stories on podcast because i'll say this a guy reached out to me after he's seen
Starting point is 00:52:22 my show on ian's podcast and he reached out to me on facebook i guess he tracked me down somehow and told me that he had a similar story. And, you know, he was really, you know, interested in mine. And, you know, we just kind of swap some messages back and forth. And I'm just like, you know, call me, kind of tell me what happened with your situation. And he broke it down and we were on the phone for like, you know, 45 minutes to an hour. And I'm just like, have you ever told this on a podcast? And he was like, no. He's like, I heard yours and was thinking, you know, maybe I should tell mine. And I'm like, well, you should. And you should do it on mine start. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:55 Right. And he did. And when he come on, we done it for about an hour. in 45 minutes he was very detailed um you could tell he was maybe slightly nervous because it was the first time he had ever did it but i mean he was very good um some people i just think have that and then some don't but then again i think when you have a story that'll almost send you to prison for life which his was that way and you have time to stew over it you know you're gonna think about all those details maybe some that are never you know had that same experience maybe they just gloss over a lot of it maybe it's not that a big deal tool like you said breaking down those details of getting arrested and all that i mean also he he knows
Starting point is 00:53:31 his story he knows if he went through that whole thing he knows to the details inside out you know how many of these guys that are like gang bangers uh drug dealers that it's they don't know anything about there like like you got arrested do you know how you got arrested yeah man they just grabbed me in the motel no no no i mean how did they get on to you right oh i don't know they must have been on the spot like didn't you ask your lawyer no no I just, you know, they, I asked for the best deal I could get. So my lawyer gave me the best deal I could get. Like, you don't like, you know, and then you look into it.
Starting point is 00:54:06 And you're like, okay, and I've, I literally had these, this guy. And I was like, well, I'm going to look into it. And he looked at, this was when I was writing his story in prison. He looked at me like, the fuck are you going to do? Like two, two, three weeks later, I come back and I go, do you know a guy named Pookie? And he's like, I know a bunch of Pookies. I'm like, yeah, me too. Do you know?
Starting point is 00:54:24 I said, no, his real name is like, you know, I said, no, his real name is like, you know, Donald Williams, and they're like, he and his brother like, yeah. I said, okay, do you know a guy name, you know, Chris, whatever, Kelly? Yeah. I said, so he and Chris Kelly robbed the 7-Eleven. And then I go through the whole thing. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And finally he set you up. And he, and then he suddenly went, Pookie's aunt is the one that had me called me to deliver the drugs to the motel. And he was like, oh, suddenly it all. And he was like, oh, suddenly it all. made sense. It's like, I know more about your story than you do. Yeah. They just don't even look into it or ask or care or. And you can get all that from the discovery, right? Even if a public defender has to give you all that too. Most of these guys don't even ask for the discovery. They just want to plead guilty and get the best deal they can get. Yeah. You know, usually they turn around immediately. That's and a lot of times they're cooper they'll cooperate right away. It's funny because these two guys like didn't cooperate um but most of the time they they're they immediately
Starting point is 00:55:28 shift to cooperation so they don't ask for their discovery so it's like hey i want to plead guilty i want to cooperate i want to try and knock my sentence down because it doesn't matter what my what's going on in my case i'm going to cooperate so i'm not going to fight the case so i don't really need to know any details right which makes sense yeah i mean in an honor to irritate them. Yeah. No. I mean, honestly, like, and then everyone.
Starting point is 00:55:52 For example, man. So my plea agreement, I had to agree to give up the ability to file any FOIA requests. I've seen that happen before. Yeah, that's nuts. That's not. You know, periodically, you'll have someone who will like cooperate and then actually commit more crimes while they're cooperating. Who would do that? That's insanity.
Starting point is 00:56:17 And then get placed on the U.S. Most Wanted list after that. I mean, who would do that? Who would? That is almost, I think the only way you could up that is if you actually were sitting in the secret service in office doing the additional crimes, committing the additional crimes. Where else was I going to do it? I mean, wow. I have issues. If they're looking out there, they're not looking behind them.
Starting point is 00:56:45 I hope I have a lot of got you straightened out. out. I don't think even Jordan Peterson could straighten you out to be honest. I can be honest. I honestly, you know, you say it like that. And I'm like, I honestly don't know why these companies still hire me. I listen. I hear you. It's the charisma. It's the charisma. Yeah. It's what it is. It is. And like it's just like we talked, we mentioned wrestling earlier, like the guys in that business. even if they weren't good in the ring if they were good on the mic they could sell tickets yeah i mean you know rick flare was actually really good in the ring but he was great on the mic and so people wanted to hear what he had to say same thing with the rock i mean being good on the mic was largely most of the problem or most of the battle so so i um okay so there's an an organization called the what is it the you know what it is it is you know what it is It's the forensic accounting.
Starting point is 00:57:49 What is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever. I've spoken with them before. Yeah, I know you have because when I came and I did mine after yours, which was like a year, they said, well, you know, we had Brett Johnson. Do you know, I know Brett? Oh, I know Brett.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Yeah, we had Brett. We had Brett. And you would think, because to me, I'm a big believer in play to your audience. Like, you know your audience, right? um and they were like yeah he um you know yeah like six months a year ago and i went oh i said yeah he's he's good right he's pretty good he's got a great story he's like yeah yeah you know he's um boy he's loud oh yeah and they're like and they're like and i mean they're like and i mean like he like if my children were in the room i'd have to air muff
Starting point is 00:58:37 them he's like he was it he uses he he'll throw the uh the f bomb in there like these i was like my god like he's loud and he's cussing the whole time they're like and i was like no like he didn't they're like no he doesn't tone it down at all and i guess is in the background going that's what's great about him and and i was like oh wow you're going to have him back oh no we had him for the convention over and you know wherever some other place and i was like yeah yeah we like him audience loves it he scares him to death yeah our children can't come but the children It's not kid friendly. No, it's not.
Starting point is 00:59:15 Adult soul. The first time, no shit about it. So I had been opening up my presentations with the word shit. And I went over to the UK and the guy was like, hey, we can't have you cursing. I was like, okay, what do you want me to do? Just do something. Just don't curse. I'm like, okay.
Starting point is 00:59:33 So I didn't know that in the auditorium, they had a spillover room because it was so crowded. So that's where I start. I come out with this blood. curdling yell, like, you know, three minutes in the presentation, blew the speakers in the spillover room. He comes up to me after he's like, you destroyed the speakers. I was like, I am so sorry. He's like, no, no, it was good. It was really good. We've never had that happen before. I was like, I think I'll keep the scream then. You know, the Ed Sullivan show. So the doors, right, Jim Morrison, Jim Morrison, they go to Jim Morrison. It's like,
Starting point is 01:00:12 He's never been on like national TV. Jim Morrison and the doors. And so they come to him and they're like, listen, it's the Ed Morrison show. You cannot say higher. Yes, I can. Can't get much higher. And he says, he goes, I got you. I hear you.
Starting point is 01:00:28 It would be inappropriate. They said exactly. Thank God we're on the same page. It's going to be live. We're good. It gets out there and sings, baby, we can't get much higher. He does the whole thing, right? And they're just like, this mother.
Starting point is 01:00:42 That's Brett. I thought Brett was going to say, oh, yeah, no, no cussing. No, inappropriate, I hear you. I am with you. And then he goes out and just, oh, yeah, I still do it. I still do it. But here's the thing. I had, when I started the speaking stuff, I was not having fun. I was not. I was, I was serious. I was, you know, detailed, diving into it. I went to this, I got invited to a camera, a camera conference in Orlando. And one of the presenters was a speak. speaking coach. And she had been doing this shit for 40 years. Right. And she pulls me off to the side and she's like, Brett, she's like, you are outstanding. The only thing I would tell you is always have fun. And I was like, serious. She's like, if you can have fun on stage, the audience will get that as well. And it'll be a much better presentation. And since that point in time, I have made sure that if no one else has fun, I have fun. That bombs away. That's it. And I don't, and I don't curse all the time but if the audience is open to it i will throw out a fuck bomb every now absolutely it does not bother me speaking of uh knowing your audience bred about i'd say about a month
Starting point is 01:01:55 and change ago uh i'd sent matt a clip of this guy named jean berello who he's since interviewed and i had on my show okay i was telling him how he was kind of feuding with joey merino and michael francis and he's like we should cover this we should do a show on it since it was kind of hot and i'm like yeah we'll do that so we get on there and matt's talking about doing time with joey in prison now mind you joey is allegedly uh pot some say still i doubt he's still doing it but was the mafia boss of philadelphia okay not not it not a underling but the boss he had of the philadelphia mom that's what the documentary say and mad and all the news programs is uh is was not very kind. He was not
Starting point is 01:02:40 very Christian-like to this guy. It's a miserable person. And I knew a person. Like inside when he started that, I'm like, oh, they're going to fucking kill him in the comments. And when we get done, we wrap it up. It was a good interview. When he get done, he's like, so you want me to send you a link and you can put it on your channel? I'm like, no. He goes, he's like, you know, I'm going to real weird. He's like, you know, I'm going to pass on this. And I was like, really? Huh. And he was like, Yeah. Let's see how it goes with you. So, so people get on your nerves too sometimes. Mine?
Starting point is 01:03:15 Yes. Oh, listen, this guy, Merlina was just miserable. He's a miserable person, you know. And then, and then he comes out and he's like, I always love that. He's like, I never ate lunch with that guy. I never. I don't even remember that guy. I don't know who that guy is. And then he comes out and says, you know, I didn't. I didn't. I had never seen that guy. And then he goes, I made a call to a, to a kid, which I know who it was. And he goes, which is the only person we know in common at Coleman. And he says, so immediately he says, yes, you know him. He was at Coleman with us. And ends up saying, you know, ends up explaining to him like who I am. Right.
Starting point is 01:04:02 And so Merlino for a guy who says he's never seen me before, there's 1,800. inmates at Coleman. I was there for over. I was with him for over a year. I used to work out 10 minutes or I'm sorry, 10 feet away from him sometimes. You know, we passed each other over and over again. I ate with him like three times. Did he know I was a rat? No, he didn't know I was a fucking rat. He didn't know that. Obviously, you know, like I'm not advertising and I don't wear a shirt or anything. There's no scarlet letter. But I don't thank God. Right. How embarrassing. So anyway, um, you could have like a little rat scarlet letter. Exactly. Yeah, that'd be all right. So, um, just look at him and point. So, oh, that would be great. Like, you know, if I do this and somebody's going to screenshot this and I'm going to see this. Exactly. So with the ears, Ian, uh, Bick would have that, have put that on the thing.
Starting point is 01:04:54 I'd have ears and be like this. And so that would be my thumbnail. So anyway, um, yeah. So, so what happened is so he says all this. So, so if you didn't know me. you called the same one guy we know in common immediately to talk about me so obviously you knew like you know and we were at coleman together like unless you're just blind you can't not know me everybody and coleman knew me and everybody and coleman knew what i was there for so you know here's the
Starting point is 01:05:29 thing i think what happened is that he he didn't know that i had cooperated when i sat at the table with him You know. And, and then after he'd sat with me once, he and another guy came and sat with being, me and Marlino's buddy two more times. Never thought about it again. I'm sure he never thought about it. So when I bring it up, he immediately has to lie and say, I don't even know who that guy is. Like instead of saying, hey, I didn't know that guy cooperated. Instead, it turned into a whole thing. But listen, when we put out that video, people are very unhappy with me, Brett. He has a following, apparently. I had a feeling it wasn't going to go over well. I was like, well, considering I based a lot of the early stuff in the podcast game off the bob, I'm going to pass. I think I'll pass. Let's take it all. And hopefully I'll get some of the people that don't want to kill you to come over and sub to my channel.
Starting point is 01:06:25 Yeah. I guess it's just that gangster bullshit, that aura that people gravitate to, huh? Well, yeah. Well, then I enter. interviewed, um, uh, Gene Borello. Okay. Gene comes on. I'm just trying to get him to tell his story. He blasts Merlino. I mean, blast them and blast him. And I'm like, yeah, right. No, I get it. So anyway, and I'm thinking, this is bad. And it gets worse and worse. It's good. It's good. So I'm like, and then listen, the hate, like if I thought people disliked me because of, of the stuff I
Starting point is 01:06:59 said about Merlino, it's nothing compared to how they feel about Gene. And, and, and, and, And so then I did another one with a guy, Tom. Lavecchi, I can never remember these Italian names. So Lavecchi. And we talked about the mob. And Merlino came up, not good again. And so finally, my wife said, listen, like, I like YouTube. I get it.
Starting point is 01:07:29 The views. It's great. I feel like it milked your, uh, milked this or not. And to be honest, like, I'd like you to stop so that, you know, like before we get killed. And she didn't say that. She didn't, she didn't really go that route until because I was, I had brought up the fact that Merlino while he was incarcerated, like, and this is like a known fact. Like I'm not saying anything that's not already in actually documentaries, everything. You know, his wife had several affairs.
Starting point is 01:07:58 Like it was a done thing. Like everybody knows that shut up. I, I, I, I, I, it's not my. You did. You did. Everybody did. Listen, look, every, listen, um, Barillo did. Like, you know, you know, very distasteful. So, but here's the problem. You know, your wife. Boy, she show is pretty. Oh, no. He's like, he was saying, listen, if Barrello said, he's like, look, if, if, if you were respected at all, he's like, guys wouldn't be running a train on your wife when you're in prison. Like, oh, wow. Like, he put some thought into that. That rolled off his tongue, too. So, but here's the problem. is that my wife, my wife is like, she's like, look, like, you've got these people fucking hating on you. Like they're, they're getting crazy in the fucking comments. They're saying fucked up shit. And I was like, and I, and she's like, I mean, I don't think anything's going to happen. I mean, you know, but and I sat there and I said, well, you know, so the guy that did sleep with his wife,
Starting point is 01:08:55 I said, you know, this is probably nothing. He did end up dead about six months later. Someone killed him in his, in his apartment. Not connected. Correlation does not mean causation probably listen that happens that happens no it was it was an accident he fell down on six bullets so um and she so she said listen yeah that's enough yeah you're like before somebody kicks our fucking door and and and does something bad like you need to just like no i get it she's like i mean this is a this is the this is the head of the philadelphia mob and i'm like allegedly so allegedly allegedly what one of the comments said uh you too better watch what you say uh i forgot what he said about you you and that hillbilly i was
Starting point is 01:09:41 like that hillbilly comment pal who was the hillbilly you be i guess i wasn't talking about matt low country they they do get they do get creative oh yeah i listen i've heard so some of the funniest things i've read is people saying shit about me like i laugh my ass there was one guy he said he's like if like uh because i's when i started working out he's like if cox gets any bigger he's going to have to start uh shopping in the adult section you know i mean it's just it's just you know one after another these guys they're they're very creative my favorite comment ever i think was on the the one that i did with you where i told my story and one guy said the combination of matt cox's hair and this guy's beard is unstopping i like it i like it that's great
Starting point is 01:10:33 Oh, Jesus. Funny stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So I can't talk mob stuff anymore. So you're through the mob. I, yeah. I don't even know anything. And these guys get upset with me because I don't know anything.
Starting point is 01:10:45 And I said I don't know anything. Yeah. I told Gene going ahead. I'm like, you're going to have to handle most of that. I was like, because Matt openly would tell you, he doesn't know a lot about the mob. And I mean, I know some, but I don't know everything, even some of the people that he was. I didn't know them all. But at least had, you know, some baseline of who he was and who he had dealt with.
Starting point is 01:11:03 Right. But, I mean, he's, he's a controversial dude. And he told me when he got done, he's like, you'll probably get 20,000 off this interview. And I'm like, you know, I'm not really that big. I don't do those kind of numbers over 40 something thousand. No shit. Since December, it was like the week of Christmas. That's the, you reach out to you reach out to you.
Starting point is 01:11:21 I had already been in contact with him before he went to jail last year. Okay. He went to jail around like first of last year. And he was in there for like six, six, eight months, whatever. Then when he got out, I'd reach back out to him. I'm like, hey, we were supposed to do one before you went to jail. You want to pick that up? And I'm glad I did.
Starting point is 01:11:41 And I think Matt, too, because now he started to make the rounds on a lot of the bigger podcast. He just went on like a tour to L.A. I think he was supposed to do Francise. I think he still is. I think he's going to wind up doing Sammy the Bull. So we kind of got it before he made the rounds to all the major ones. Right. But, I mean, he knows how to give an interview.
Starting point is 01:12:01 He knows how to create controversy. He's a smart cat. Yeah. That aspect. Listen, mine's got my interview with him, it's 77,000. It's a good interview. Like those interviews like those, those mob guys, they they, you know what I'm saying? Oh yeah. They're they eat it up. Right. Well, I mean, they have a dedicated audience. I mean, other the grand scheme of things, it's not huge on the YouTube world, but it is very dedicated. They do watch. They do graciously share their opinion, good or bad. but like if you just did strictly that like you're going to learn you're going to run out of content really quick unless you just solely do like solo shows and do stuff like a history lesson and that was the thing is like people would tell me you're you're platforming all these informants and I'm like all right everyone fucking talks yeah I'm like well who are you going to talk to no successful mob guy that got away with shit for years as going to say oh yeah you know I never got caught for that murder and when we killed this guy and put that guy in the trunk. There's three dead men in his house right now. That whole idea of not talking.
Starting point is 01:13:08 That changed after 1987. Yeah. Once they restructured all that, everybody talks. Yeah. Yeah. They incentivized it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:19 You want this quarter or you want a nickel? What do you want? I think I want a nickel. Yeah. That's actually. Who else could I tell on? A good guy for you to interview Matt is Jay Dobbins.
Starting point is 01:13:32 ever heard him no he went undercover in the hell's angels motorcycle gang he was at f okay i've had him on my show i got his email um basically they they had to take out a mongle member who was a rival club of the hells angels a guy that was in the mongles undercover billy queen who wrote a book called under alone that was really good they had the at f had like some mongle cuts that were i guess from the the seizure whatever so they mock up they get like a special effects guy they go out in the desert and it makes it look like they just killed this mongle and they lay him out looks like his head split open they bring him back to vests with blood on it and so the angels are just like welcome this guy in allegedly he was supposed to be i don't think they call
Starting point is 01:14:26 it made but whatever it is when you're patched in patched right um allegedly at the next time they were doing it they were supposed to be paid patched in you even hear on the surveillance tapes because the house was wired them saying that's it brother you're in and they're hugging him and you know all that while they pulled the plug ATF pulled the plug on it right before he was supposed to be a full patched in member um he was irritated right I think I've heard that he was very much patched but the thing was it was called operation black biscuit I think it was but because he had to do so much shit that crossed the line it didn't garner near as many uh convictions as they wanted it to and hoped it would um so much so that he actually wound up leaving the ATF ATF at one point made his location and address public oh shit so the angels earn his house down allegedly and when he went back and was trying to tell him like look i told you guys i'm in danger you need to help me they charged him trying to burn his own house down i mean it was nuts and he said he this is what he said he said an angel come up to him one time this
Starting point is 01:15:32 was after everything happened and they said we haven't forgotten and one of these days when you go to pick that little girl up off the bus or a little boy i can't remember it was a kid and you know he's not there to come off that bus to meet you just think that he's with us and what we're doing to and i was like holy god i mean like but it was really good i mean it was about a two and at that time i think it was the longest one i'd ever done about two and a half hours but it was it was really good he's an interesting cat he's got a documentary on and everything yeah he sounds great he sounds like a great uh interview yeah he's he's really good good dude jesus um bikers ain't nothing to play with either no matt before you start bad talking any bikers i'm
Starting point is 01:16:14 gonna get on out of here i'm just give him a chance um yeah definitely i definitely like to interview that guy that'd be great yeah he's got some good stories well story it's not story he's a story one one very long one but he he's he's a story one very long one but he He was like there when they had that big Laughlin, uh, fight. I think it was in Laughlin where they're in a casino and they're just like on video, you know, yeah. Um, I don't know how no more people didn't get killed in that. Well, you know, so many of those guys like the Donnie Brasco, that FBI agent, like, you know, you watch the movie and you're like, oh, he didn't, he didn't go over the line. The truth is that, you know, the, if you really read the books and talk to anything, they're like, oh, this guy was doing all kinds of fucked up shit.
Starting point is 01:16:56 Yeah. He was way over the line. Right. But, you know, how are you going to convince these? guys that you're one of them and it's basically it's um shoot what do they call it it's called um public god there's a name for the term when when they basically allow you to break the law to further your they give you permission it's called something public authorization for yeah right so it's that's that's the paperwork of war anyway for some odd reason i know that
Starting point is 01:17:27 But I mean, what else are you going to do? How else am I going to convince this guy unless I go in with him and rob the bank? Like if that's like that's the weird thing. For that, what happens is. So the feds go, whatever the agency is, ATF, FBI, Secret Service, whatever, they go to the prosecutor. They tell them, hey, this guy needs to do this stuff. And at that point, the prosecutor sits down and gives that authorization for whatever that specific activity is. And you're not supposed to. supposed to go outside of that. Right. But we all know that they all go outside of that. Well, and it's happening in real time. Yeah. Like, you can't go back and say, hey, by the way, after we left here, we went here and we had to do this. Like, you can't stop these guys and say, hey, you guys, I'm sorry, this is outside my purview. Yeah. Right. The U.S. attorney only allowed me to rob the bank. We can't now fence the stuff. We check in with my commanding officer real when we do this. I'll be one second. So, yeah. I mean, you have to be. So,
Starting point is 01:18:27 able to do those things in order to you know ingratiate yourself with an organization and once you are then you're in thick you're in depression oh god you know listen i was locked up with a guy who what had murdered like 30 some odd people and his name was gordo of course he was fat um he really bit fat and uh he had these stories that were just outrageous and there was i was saying some guy was reading a mob book and he walked by the cell and he stopped he said Hey, I'm in there. Look on page 124. He said, the secretary, I murdered, me and my partner, we killed the, or killed the, we killed the lawyer.
Starting point is 01:19:08 So he and his buddy, they're paid to kill a lawyer. They go in to kill the lawyer. They go in, they kill the lawyer. And when they come back out, the secretary, so I think the secretary, I think they walked in with the secretary. Actually, they told her, like, shut up. They walked in, killed him, walked back out. out. She's in tears, just, just terrified. The one hit man's like, like, we got to kill her. And he's saying, no, we're not, we weren't paid to kill her. And he's going, he's like, she didn't do nothing. We weren't we weren't paid to kill her. And they're like, he's like, yeah, but she's seen us. And he goes, he takes her license and he says, listen, if I find out if you've talked to the them, I'm going to come back and I'm going to, you know, if you're not here, I'll kill your neighbors. I'll kill your family. We'll track them down. Just like we track this guy down. We'll find you. And he's like, listen. He's like, she never talked to anybody. She was like, I'm not telling you what they look like.
Starting point is 01:19:59 I'm not telling you nothing. They took my driver's license. No, we can protect you. She said, yeah, like you protect the lawyer here? No, I don't think so because he was working with like the feds. Right. So, God, Gordo had story after story after story. He would have been great.
Starting point is 01:20:14 I would love it. There were so many people I wish I'd kept in contact with. And listen, he got like 30 years. Like he admitted to God knows how many murders. Well, of course, he cooperated. He spent like five years. That's only a year per year per year. He spent like five years, you know, he put together like a football team practically.
Starting point is 01:20:35 He put together, you know, 30, 40 guys or went to prison for life sentences because of him. And he ended up with like 30 years. Listen, and he was like he was wrapping it up. He was like five years left. He was like, I'm out of here. So there were so many great, really great people. I wish I'd, if I had known this was a thing and I was going to be. be on this platform it's a i'd miss and i'd had a list and lists and then some guys i reach out to
Starting point is 01:21:01 like they don't want to come on and i was like i don't want to come on i don't want to tell my story i'm like like you're a carpenter and you work for yourself what do you go ah you know i don't want people know what do you mean you don't want people knowing right you know that's anyway it frustrates me no i i meet people all the time that'll like say these stories or have these stories and i've got a buddy who like if i had to pick one guy that i grew up with that i figured was either going to die or land in prison for life it was him and i've told him this i mean like just the outlook was not good and he did he wound up getting arrested going to jail uh was in there for about seven years and when he got out i would still say that i'd be like yeah he'd be back in there for too long
Starting point is 01:21:44 and be damned if he hasn't got married turn his life around work i mean he paid his dues like he couldn't even get a license for a long time so he had to drive a moped back and forth to work at this lumber company and he was saying like they wasn't paying him shit but he worked way up to a decent position there then he recently got on with the steel company that i worked for for years that pays very well and so now he's doing great and i'm just like look i understand if you want to leave that period of time you know behind you and not talk about it but if you ever do please let me know because like your story is what people need to hear that you can't come back from it you know you
Starting point is 01:22:24 You know, you can go through the bad shit and still come out on top and have a good ending because a lot of times people don't think that's possible. We'll see, but nobody wants to hear that redemption shit at all. Listen, that's what my entire show is. Yeah, I know. And they don't, you know how to do it, honestly, because you never hear me say anything about redemption and changing your life and doing that. I don't say any of that.
Starting point is 01:22:46 Do you have any idea at least once a day, sometimes twice a day, sometimes it's on Instagram, sometimes it's emails. I get letters from guys that tell me how inspiring I am, how I move them, how I changed my honesty on what I did has changed them. They've taken a new leaf that they were lying about this or they didn't want to own up to this and they didn't want to admit their faults and how courageous and all these things that I'm not even trying to be. Right. It's in what maybe? She's doing making comments. It's like it's amazing. And I'll read them. Periodically, I read them. I'm like, listen to this. And then I read them to her. And, you know, she's like, they don't know you. Um, and so she's not depressed. They knew you like, yeah. And I'm like, I didn't, you know, but it's, it's funny. It's amazing because you hear these things. And especially for somebody who's not trying, I think when you make that effort, I think it takes something away. If you just say, this is what happened. This is where I'm at, you know, and, and, you know, like, you know, this is how I feel now. Like you, like you know, you know, this is how I feel now. Like you. I never bring it up guys always it's always somebody like you know um like Lex
Starting point is 01:23:58 Friedman who's like you know how do you feel now how do you and then they spark it I'm like well I mean now here's how I feel like I didn't realize this then I realized this now and I don't try and say you know I had an epiphany and I this and I that but but it's somehow doing that and makes people go wow like you've like this has done something for them right you know which is great because I'm not even trying yeah yeah it's it's being honest about being a scumbag people love that yeah well i mean i get those emails too but i the show is not you know like you well well even like i said the guy that contacted me like in my situation it's that guys that's experienced you know being wrongfully charged and then wanting to come out
Starting point is 01:24:41 and tell their stories and to me like that's great because the problem is a lot of people don't tell those stories the fear of you know whatever so the less that they come out then the less people know about it and realize that it's actually a thing. Because I'll be honest, before it happened to me, I always thought about seeing somebody that got arrested. Damn, good thing they got them off the street. Dirty, absolutely. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:01 Oh, if the cops, if they charge them, they have to have proofs that they charge them. Exactly. They wouldn't have a bad case. For no reason, they wouldn't, they wouldn't do that. Yeah. It's funny how it only takes subtle tweaks to an investigative file to just destroy someone. Like a little word here and a tweak here. And a just little things that can just destroy you.
Starting point is 01:25:27 It's the difference between not being charged at all and getting 45 fucking years. Right. Just it just doesn't take much. Yeah. So a lot of times people won't understand that until they're in the middle of it. And it's their name on that. Oh, it's too late. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:41 Too late. And then their friends and family that have known him forever are like, he did it. Well, you, you think Paul did he? Paul was never, listen, they wouldn't have charged him if he didn't too. like oh wow bro you're delusional like that that can happen like listen at least like i always say that's the best part of being incarcerated for me was that i was so guilty like it was like at least i should be here like some of these guys i mean i knew that the entire time i was yeah okay that guy shouldn't be here you know he's an asshole but you shouldn't lock people up for being
Starting point is 01:26:16 assholes well i recently did a show with mad on my channel hadn't come out yet but we were talking about his time while incarcerated and like every story that he told me you know this guy done a you know 200 million dollar Ponzi scheme he had nine years and this guy had a hundred million dollar scheme and he was in there for five years and I'm just like why are you so damn high was it just the fact that you were on the run for so long or you you know really piss some people in their face a little bit because you're a whole lot of hot look I would do six years for a hundred million dollars oh for a million right now for for a million dollars I'll do a year right now. Let's go. Let's go. Let's get it in there. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because
Starting point is 01:27:00 every time I say that Wade, I don't think about it. Wade kept saying more than you, more times. More new. Less than you. Stole more than you half the time. So I was like, he kept saying, like four times. I like, stop saying that. But you really piss some people off. Yeah. I, I, I, you know, and it really is the prosecutor too. Like my prosecutor. really despised fraudsters you know and and at that time you know they they ran with it first of all the media attention which you know as cool as it was didn't help it's true you know and then the economy started melting down specifically because of mortgages so it was really a perfect storm where they just were like hey look we got an escape goat let's give this fucker as much
Starting point is 01:27:47 time as we can and paying them to look as bad as he possibly could look look you used a poster child of doing that yeah yeah one of my quotes so well that that opens doors now for you yeah no absolutely like to listen that when i was getting out i was like everybody else was trying to figure out how to bury their there they're pass and i was like now i'm gonna lean into it because i know i can't escape it so i might as well just lean into it and and i and i just like lying and cheating and doing fraud is what got me here and my buddy pete you say all the time You cannot come to prison behaving the same way that got you here and expect to get out and expect not to come out, come back. You have to make a change, a fundamental change in your belief system. And so, you know, and it, you know, after a few years, it was like, yeah, you know what, just lean into it. Just be honest. Just don't hide from it. Don't just lean into it, tell people.
Starting point is 01:28:46 And there's two kinds of, you know, I came up with the little phrase. There's two kinds of people, you know, those that are 100% acceptant of the things I did and the person I am today and those people that can go fuck themselves. Right. Right. Well, that's one of the benefits of prison. You really get to the point where I don't really give a shit what you think. Isn't that amazing? It's amazing. It's really like you don't seem to care at all.
Starting point is 01:29:11 Well, why? Not a bit. Why would I care? Like that changes nothing. Your opinion, it means so little. It, your opinion of me means about as much as that stick of furniture does over there. Yep. I just don't, it's nothing.
Starting point is 01:29:25 Like, my opinion of me is what matters. That's it. It's really only two or three people that my opinion, that their opinion of me matters. And you, you're telling every word of truth about leaning into it. I had that exact same thought. Why would I run from it? How can you run from it in today's world? You can't.
Starting point is 01:29:42 Right. So make the most of it. By God, that will open a door. And then once that door is open, we'll see what kind of value you've got. see i toyed with that like right after mine because i wasn't doing the podcast right after everything happened so immediately i'm contacted people that was i guess had the ability to bury stuff on google right like bury 15 pages back and then the guy wanted i think at the time like 700 bucks for it i'm just like well let me see how this plays out i wasn't thinking it was going to last five years and
Starting point is 01:30:11 he was like what if it won't go the way you want and i'm like well then it's really not going to matter and so i'm not going to pay a 700 that i really need to hold on to right now but as you know it started progressing then the podcast came about i'm like at some point if everything goes good and i'm able to tell the story like there's no need to try to bury it and not talk about it you might as well just not necessarily embrace it but use it as a you know a tool to do what you get spread yeah i mean it gives you you know it gives you a clout and a resume that no one else has yes yeah it really does 100 and because of that and because all three our experiences. We have an insight and an understanding that no one else has. We truly do. We've
Starting point is 01:30:55 got a worldview that no one else has. And all very different. Like all very different. Ors to mind the mads. I mean, but it has value. Yeah. That's the thing. It has value because people don't understand that. People don't get that. If you can, if you can put it in words, it becomes very valuable. And that is a paycheck. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, it's funny. I always get these people to make these comments in the comment section. They're like, I'm amazed by your ability to make people feel at ease while telling their story. And I'm like, I think it's because I'm so non-judgmental because I am not in a position to judge anybody. You know what I'm saying? Like, I really feel like, like, oh, you did get it. It must have been felt reasonable at the time. Like,
Starting point is 01:31:41 you know, like, I'm just not the person to be like, I can't believe you did that. Like, stop. stop yeah who are we to judge right can't do that shit now i will call you out if you're lying no i i i was going to say not your your uh in not not your interview style thus far you know what as long as the guy's legitimate i'm good to go with him i am what i'll let him ramble on whatever what happens when um oh what's the name oh hanlon what happens when he gets found not guilty are you going to bring him back on and you got are you going to bring him back on and do another video and be like look i messed up i tell you what i will if he's found not guilty i will bring that some bitch on and i will apologize profusely to that fraudster that victimized
Starting point is 01:32:39 all those senior citizens stop it he's helping people yeah helping them out of their money People helping people. My God, so judgmental. That story kind of has like two layers to it, though. It's the brother-in-law that he pissed off, but then that parleyes into all of his business problems. Does that make any sense at all? Think about that.
Starting point is 01:33:01 Wait a second now. Nine agents sacrifice their careers so that some bitch can steal $20,000. No. All right. You know what? Listen, listen, that's so not what's happening. Listen, on top of that. Listen, are you telling, do you have any idea how many agents?
Starting point is 01:33:19 An agent will just get up and lie his ass off. Nothing happens to these people. I know they do. He'll get on the stand and just blatantly lie. Like, nobody's their career. But we're talking about Bill O'Hanlon, who is later charged with theft for stealing somebody else's money. Not even the timeshare scheme. They drop those charges.
Starting point is 01:33:39 Yeah, because they know his ass is going fed. No. All right. We'll see. I'm, I'm going to make you put him back on. on your show i think i promise you if the dude is found not guilty with the feds i will bring him on i will bill i am so sorry i am the most judgmental some bitch ever was i was so wrong you my friend are are just i am so you're christlike you may listen yeah he he he he may needs
Starting point is 01:34:10 after being on your show he he may need uh you may need to hook him up with with peterson he may need to He may. He's going to need some counseling. I was actually kind of wondering how many people he had to defraud to put that Jacob and company watch on his wrist. Oh, my God. It was the way they did it for me. It was the way he put in, I need to go to the bathroom all right after every intriguing question that he asked.
Starting point is 01:34:36 And then it was a second time. It was like, what I would normally edit out? He leaves. Can I go to the bathroom again? We're going to leave that shit in. Yeah. So mean. He's like you're so mean.
Starting point is 01:34:56 I want him to be not guilty. See, I don't wish on everybody. I don't wish that on anybody. Well, except for maybe some trouble. Okay. If he's guilty. Okay. He was guilty of defrauding senior citizens, not once, but multiple times.
Starting point is 01:35:16 he was helping them he was getting their money yeah you know he said that he was renting their timeshares out he rented one one total you're basing this off of an indictment i am i i like because the federal government wouldn't lie in an indictment listen listen i know a guy that I know a guy that the DEA agent lied during lied to the grand jury
Starting point is 01:35:51 during his indictment okay lied so they indict this guy Dennis Caroni Dennis Caroni goes to trial loses at trial the day he is found guilty they indict the DEA agent
Starting point is 01:36:07 for lying during the lying to the grand jury to indict coroni he then goes to trial and the second day of trial he before the trial starts that morning put the gun to his head and kills himself the DEA agent this the idea that the that the that the government wouldn't allow you to lie to a grand jury to get an indictment I mean they would lie about I absolutely agree I do I truly do I mean I've I've read the Ruby shit where the agent has the shotguns sold off so it meets the illegal requirements. I've read all, and I agree with you. I just don't think it's happening with Bill
Starting point is 01:36:52 Handling. We'll see. We'll see. Fellas, I've got an interview scheduled up. I got a hop on. All right. The finish out, but no, I'm done. I'm done. Well, you bring Bill back on and tell him, I said, Hello. I'm going to, he's going to, he's got checks. He's got discovery. We're getting to the bottom of this. Yeah, no, you are.
Starting point is 01:37:16 All right. All right. That's it. I'm not even signed. I am going to sign off. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. I hope every, some people do stuff and subscribe and share stuff and join my Patreon.
Starting point is 01:37:34 And if you want to check out these guys' channels, whatever. They're in the links below. Yeah, they're in the links below. Yeah, everybody's channel I'll put in the description box. I'll put the link so you can click it and go to Wade's and maybe we'll see about what happens with Brett's. I mean, I need guests too. Yeah, at the rate, my guests are saying, can I come back on? Yours aren't.
Starting point is 01:38:00 Well, the ones that don't lie to me, they're more than welcome to come back. Hey, this is Matt Cox. I'm doing a credit course. I'm doing the course because I, you know, I feel like I have a lot of knowledge on the subject of repairing and building, building credit profiles and, you know, fixing people's credit. I've helped a ton of people do that. I've helped them build their credit.
Starting point is 01:38:26 And I owned a, you know, I owned a financial company. I've seen, I've seen how things work on the inside. I've spoken with underwriters, I've known the owners of lending institutions, and obviously I've built, you know, well over, probably somewhere between 50 and 100 credit profiles. I have a vast amount of experience, and I think I can help people with their credit. It's a problem. A lot of people don't even understand. So, go to the description box, click the link, put your email address in, and I'm going to send you. two free letters that are,
Starting point is 01:39:11 they're templates that help request information on your collections and dispute those collections on your credit report. These are letters that I've used over and over again. They work 95% of the time. Now, you know, nothing's 100%. Sometimes you're just going to get that collection in company that's just going to come after you no matter what, but we will get in the course we get into what to do if that's the case.
Starting point is 01:39:41 So with that in mind, I'm going to go ahead and, oh, the other thing that, by the way, the other thing that putting in your email address, it will notify you of the course. So with that in mind, I'm going to go ahead and talk about leveraging your credit, which is one of the things I'm going to talk about in the course. So if you get the course, you'll hear this. you'll hear much, much more on how to leverage your credit. And so this is really why you, one of the reasons you want good credit. And I give you an example of that I've done before that basically, hopefully makes it clear.
Starting point is 01:40:24 So at one point, I was, you know, I would survey guys and I would basically, I would steal their identity. clearly illegal. I'm not suggesting you do that. But this will let you know just how easy this was. And I've done this over and over again. So this was a homeless guy that one time I surveyed him. I got his credit information. I then went and ordered all of his information. I ordered his birth certificate, social security card. I ordered his high school transcripts. He has no idea that he gave me enough information. He thought he was filling out a form to determine where the salvation Army was going to place its next homeless facility. So he filled out the form. I gave him $20. I ordered all of his documents. I got all the documents and I registered to vote in his name. So I have a ton of, very quickly, I have a ton of legitimate documents that were issued to him. I then turned around and manufactured a birth certificate for a 10-month-old child. I manufactured a shot record. I went into Social security told them that my son had been born and never issued a social security number.
Starting point is 01:41:37 Now, I said my son's name was the same name as the homeless guy that I had surveyed. And his name was actually Joseph Carter. So they issued me a social security number to Joseph Carter. So now I have a ton of information in the name of Joseph Carter and a new social security number. So I used that social security number and his documents to obtain a number. a driver's license. I then went ahead and I pulled his credit. He has no credit in the social security number that I have. And I'm sure his credit, his real social security number probably
Starting point is 01:42:13 had bad credit. Regardless, I created a new credit profile as Joseph Carter. I then turned around and I got three secured credit cards in the name of Joseph Carter. Now, this is someone who has no credit. Once I got those social, once I got those secured credit cards in, I put a little bit of money. And these are very small. These are $300, $500 credit cards. But they show up on his credit profile now. I make the payments on those credit cards for the next six months. So six months later, so now I've got, I've got a credit profile with three trade lines, credit cards. cards on the profile. Six months later, I pulled this credit, and it's got, it had like a 730, 750 credit score,
Starting point is 01:43:10 something along those lines. I don't remember exactly what it was. But it was high. And it was so high. And because I had answered all the questions correctly to acquire the secured credit cards, I had built the profile so solid. that six months later, when he had the 730 or 750 credit scores, I walked into a Ford dealership. I'll never forget, I walked in with a girl I was dating.
Starting point is 01:43:43 We were driving in the movies, and I said, hey, listen, let's pull in. I need to get a car, actually, because I had a vehicle. And I said, I need to pull in, I need to get a new car. So I pulled in, there was a couple of salespeople. one guy stood up and I said hey man you want to sell a car real quick and he goes yeah and I said listen I want to buy a truck so we walked down the lot I found a gosh I want to say it was an it was an F-150 4 by 4 I want to say it was called a Laredo or I'm not sure what the style was but it was a crew cab nice it was around 50 $55,000 we drove the vehicle right down the street he wanted to take me on a whole driving around the city type thing I said no no no bro I just I'm good we drove down the street turned around came back didn't even go it wasn't even a half a mile pulled back in I said let me fill out the paperwork I filled out the paperwork gave my you know
Starting point is 01:44:43 gave him the name data birth social security number told him that I'd been on the job five years you know whatever the case may be that I I had set up had a paste up with me gave him the pay stub and told him we were going to the movies if he could get me financed within the next two hours i said i'll come back and pick up the car or the truck and he said all right i went to the movies and just as the movie was ending my cell phone rang and he said come pick up your truck i drove straight back there with the girl i was dating walked in filled out the paperwork didn't put one dime down and finance that vehicle now here's the funny thing about financing that vehicle. The payment was like $1,200 a month. I made one payment and refinanced
Starting point is 01:45:30 with State Farm Insurance Bank. The State Farm is an insurance company. I actually got my insurance through State Farm. But they also, because I had insurance through them on the vehicle, a month later, they offered to refinance the truck. My original interest rate was like 24% interest. It was outrageous. They brought it down to like. like 8% interest. So my payment went from 1,200 down to around $7 or $800 on that vehicle. I didn't put a dime down. Not a dime.
Starting point is 01:46:03 That whole transaction took less than two hours. And all I did was I leveraged a 750 credit score to get myself into a new truck. And listen, over the next six months to a year, I got multiple credit cards in Joseph Carter's name with 20,000. $30,000 credit limits. I got personal loans in his name. And on a side note that I won't be getting into, I borrowed a couple million dollars in his name on mortgages,
Starting point is 01:46:37 which we're not going to be discussing. But I was able to leverage, in six months, I was able to leverage that credit that I had put together to borrow hundreds of thousands of dollars with nothing down other than putting up the minor deposits to get the secured credit cards and knowing how to answer the questions that were being asked by the lenders. And that's really all it is. It's a very simple formula, and I'm going to go over all of that in the credit course.
Starting point is 01:47:13 So click the link, put in your email address.

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