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You invest $18,000. You cook it up and you sell it. What do you make?
You're going to, we're seeing almost $70,000 off a keep.
How long does that take?
Probably a week and a half, two weeks.
Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Norris Henderson, and we're going to be doing an interview.
I was actually, I was locked up in the halfway house.
Were we in Coleman?
Yeah, we had Coleman together, too.
Yeah, Coleman and the halfway house together.
Okay, anyway, so check this out.
So, you were locked up for like over 10 years, right?
No, I didn't.
I did nine years and some change.
Right, but what did you get?
135 once or something you said yeah um okay so and what was the what was the what was a what we
charged with uh drug drug trafficking and furtherance of a drug trafficking crime crack cocaine
you know pistol charge you know they get a 924 C so they're going to run everything
concurrent because well consecutive right so you know what I'm saying
Okay. All right. Well, so where, let's start at the beginning. Like, where were you born?
St. Petersburg, Florida.
Okay.
Most of my, you know, my family, we migrated from Georgia.
My family, my mom and everybody came to, came to Florida. You know, I was born in, I was born in Florida, though, St. Petersburg, Florida.
I'm like, so like my roots is Georgia and North Carolina, you know what I'm saying?
how many um how many kids in your uh any brothers sisters yes i got i got two brothers two sisters
they're all older than me i'm the youngest you know they all got the same father so i had my
i got a different father than them you what did you and you with uh high school and everything
in st pete yeah i went to bogusiega high school played basketball i didn't play football but
you know i played basketball and shit all right so how was i mean how was i mean how
growing up were you a good kid or what you know me i mean i was but you know i still
still got a little trouble you know what i'm saying time to time you know i guess i guess i don't know
i guess i don't know i guess probably maybe my dad would have been there for me it had been a little
better for me you know what i mean right but i've been you know were your i mean were your older
brothers and sister were they on when you were growing up or oh they was there
They were there, so they're not like 10 or 50.
Like my, my brothers and sisters were basically, by the time I was like six or seven, they were all gone because they were way older than me.
No, we all grew up in the same household.
So we're all like a year or two apart from each other.
Okay.
So how did, how did you start, like you went to high school?
Did you start, were you selling drugs then or like?
Yeah, that kind of, I kind of like, that was like the start, you know what I'm saying?
Like, like, I didn't have, one of them didn't really have much money.
So it was like, you know, it's five of us.
She took her off five of us.
So it's like, you know, I used to steal that store to make money to buy clothes and shit.
You know what I'm saying?
Breaking cars and shit.
But, you know, my first, my first gig for hustling was like one of my OGs gave me a,
gave me an ounce of marijuana, showed me how to sack it up.
You know what I'm saying?
So he's just saying, okay, you make.
you make $40, you bring me back $60, you feel what I'm saying?
So all my little homies, we all smoked weed.
So it was like, that's how I was getting off it, you know what I'm saying?
I'm bringing his money, bring mine.
But it was like, shit, that was like too slow.
Right.
So like my neighborhood where I live at 36th Street block is like, it's like a dope hole.
Like it's a one long street.
You can come through there, you can buy a crack, pile,
water, weed. It wasn't no hair around back then that I knew of, but it was mostly cracking
crack marijuana and cocaine, you know what I'm saying? So my OG, it's a female, her name,
her name Fee. I'm going to call her fee, you know what I'm saying? She's a big dope deal in the
city. You know, I used to run around her sons and we play together basketball and share her
son. So I knew she, I knew she sold crack. So I pulled up on her one day. I had my last like
$30 on me.
I went to her house, you know what I'm saying?
I'm like, hey, man, let me get some feet.
You know what I'm saying?
She's like, what you talk about?
I said, man, I need some crack.
She said, nigga, what, you smoke?
I'm like, hell, no.
I said, man, I try to get my hustle on.
And so she came out with this big sucker crack, right?
Man, more way, man, she had rocks so big.
Like, these big.
And she was like, all you do, you know, you take one,
you bust it down, and you sell it for $10.
I'm going to sell them to you for $10 a piece.
So you just break it down and you'll make more than money.
You just come back and see me.
So once I broke it down, it was like I was getting like $40 off each rock.
I'm spending $10, but I'm making a $30 profit of each one.
So I got like three of them from them.
I broke them down.
I made like $9.
I went to the hood.
Went to my block because he only stayed a couple of streets over.
So I got to my hood.
It was like, shit.
I broke them thing down.
I had $90, $90 worth of rock.
So, man, them things went so fast.
I went by tour the next day.
She's like, you got off all that that quick?
I'm like, yeah, yeah, let me get, let me get nine of them.
So she actually gave me 10 for my money
because she knew I'm on my way to come up, you know what I'm saying?
So I broke them down, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Shit, I ain't looked back six.
And this was the 90, 95.
No, it was like 93 because I was still in high school.
So I was able to get me some clothes.
get me some fresh shoes, you know what I'm saying?
So I have a question.
So when you say like you're just selling to people that are just driving through the neighborhood,
they're looking for crack, they're just coming through, you're not finding it, going
fine anybody, they're just driving through.
Yeah, because my neighbor has my street.
It's just like, it's like a dope hole, you know what I'm saying?
It's a street.
You just pull up.
And then you had, then you had smokers walking up, you know, neighborhood smokers,
you know what I'm saying?
Well, if I put up on bicycles and shit, then down the street, it's like a little alley
way a little small alleyway that go to the next street you know we used to post up down there
too me and my little homies and we just we just sit there and post up on a block all day and let
the money come through and get off it you know what I'm saying okay and you said and you
kept going and going and then what was what happened what was you know what it was uh like I was
like I was still playing basketball and shit you know high school basketball and so you know I
hustle. And then I had a job, too. I got a job. I used to work at a McDonald's, Food
Lion, Rain Dixie. You know, I kept a job, you know what I'm saying? But I was hustling on
the side, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, long-store, I graduated. You know, I had
plans on going to college and everything, but, you know, I had caught a felony, pulled around
with one of my home books, you know what I'm saying? So I caught this felony. So it was like,
that kind of fucked up my college.
college scholarship how did that happen but it was me we were we were riding one we were riding in
my car had just bought me a car you know what I'm saying so we riding in my car and he was high on
cocaine he in the back seat it was it was three or four of us in the car so we were hanging out
drinking and smoking you know what I'm saying and the other guy he was like high on cocaine or
whatever so I picked them up from another spot but I'm dropping them all I'm taking everybody
at home. And his house is like two houses down from where I was dropping him off at.
So he's like, no, you're going to drop me up in front of my house. I'm like, drop him
front of your house, man. You can get your ass up out of here. So he didn't want to get out.
He was in the back seat behind me. So we're driving. I'm going to drop the other guys off.
So I drop one of my homeboys off. So I'm coming back to drop the other dude off. And he's telling
me, man, you got to drop me up at my house on my front door. I'm like, man, I ain't pick you up from
there. So all of a sudden, I had some tools in my back seat on the floor, and he reached over,
and he stabbed me with a screwdriver in the top of my head, you know what I'm saying, was attacking
me. The car, the car moving, I'm just, I don't feel it at first. I'm just, I just jumped out.
I just turned around and I'm just fighting him in the back seat. I'm beating his ass, you know what I'm
saying? So all in all, blood running down my head. So the car runs, the car runs into a
I think a trash can of something
and stops
because I had a stick shift
so it automatically stopped
you know what I'm saying
so I'm beating his ass
so I get out the car
I'm bloody and shit
mother home boy he's standing there
he got a gun on him
I don't know he got the gun on him
so he's telling me look
man here
no I'm like no I'm scraped
the dude running
then I thought about it
I told him to give it to me now
and he told me no
and I kind of thank God
he didn't give it to me
because I would have shot
the shit out of his ass
while he's running
So, so I say, fuck it.
I get him on a car.
I got a crowbar in the trunk.
I grab it, and I chase him to his house because he won't stay too far
for what an incident happened.
So I get to his house.
He inside his house.
I'm beating on his mom door with the crowbar trying to get in there.
I'm beating all the windows out of the house, the garage door, and everything.
His dad come out.
His family know me, you know what I'm saying?
They see me all bloody and shit.
They don't know what's going on, you know what I'm saying?
So, so I just, I just.
lead. They call the police. I leave.
So, like, probably like three months
later, I'm at school
and a school resource officer
come get me. He say,
I need you, I need
to come up to my office with me.
I'm like, what's going on? You know what I'm saying?
So I get there and he say,
you got a warrant for your arrest.
I got to take you to the county jail.
I'm like, what the fuck?
Like, yeah, you got a warrant for
vandalism and some
other charge. It was a misdemeanor one felony, so he'd take me down and book me.
And my high school basketball coach, Mr. Kieffel, he'd come down and see me.
He asked me what's going on. I explained to him what happened, you know what I'm saying?
So he didn't bomb me out. They gave me R&R, release of my own reconnaissance.
So I get out, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, I didn't have no lawyer.
I didn't know no about lawyer, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, I got a public defender
and I just took a plea deal.
And that was probably the worst thing I could have did
because it gave me a third degree felony
and it fucked up my chance
to get a scholarship for basketball.
So I'm stuck.
I'm like shit, fuck it, you know what I'm saying?
I'm all in.
I just went ahead and started by hustling, you know.
And I still graduated though.
You know what I still graduated?
I still graduated high school.
But it was like, it was like, it was hurting.
But at the same time, man, I ain't really care anymore.
I'm like, fuck it.
I'm in the streets now, you know.
I'm on a block every day.
Then I, like, a year later, I decided to enroll in junior college.
So I go to junior college.
I'm still getting my education, but I'm still hustling, though.
You know what I'm saying?
So I'm just, I said, fuck it, man.
I'm all in now.
So I'm rising in a dope game, but it's like, like, I'm not seeing the money that I need to
see.
you know what I'm saying I'm going to spend it on on a car's jury money you know what I'm saying
this is like actually one of my first cars I hooked up you know what I'm saying I put paint on it
some you know some rims you know what I'm saying right so I'm in the street life you know
it's it like this is now are you are you watching like your buddies get get popped or like
Are you realizing that, hey, this, that, like, are you seeing people get arrested and you,
I mean, you know what it is.
You know, you're going to get, eventually, you know, you're getting grabbed.
Yeah, this is, this, like I say, this was in 94, 95 after I graduated.
So, like, I'm seeing, I'm seeing people getting knocked off, you know what I mean,
but I'm, I'm just being, like, I didn't hang no, I hung in the crowd, but I didn't hang in
the crowd, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I got me a beeper, so my clientele called me, so now I'm not.
I don't really on the block no more.
I got people calling me.
So when they call me, boom, I go meet them, make the money,
then I'm not the way, you feel what I'm saying?
So how I was moving, I never caught a dope case.
I caught one.
This, me and my, like I was on, after that situation with the,
with the guy who attacked me, you know what I'm saying?
I have his own probation.
I was actually on house arrest, but I was still hustling.
So I basically was on house arrest,
but I was still leaving, going to get more.
money every day. So one night we're at, we're at Denny's, me and my girl. So we had a Denny's
late night, north side St. Pete. So I'm in that same car. I just showed you. And the sheriff
sitting outside the park a lot across the street. So I got, I got crack on me. I got a gun
on me. I got a reefer. So I'm telling her, shit, you hold a weed. I'll cuff the crack.
And I had a little stash spot for my gun in my car. So we're leaving. We're heading. We're
heading back to south st pete and the
man so many sheriffs came out of nowhere
man just swam my car boom boom boom
they say uh you got
you got a warrant for your arrest i'm like for what
he said you your insurance expired i know
how my assurance is inspired because i just paid it
man i keep my insurance you know what i'm saying so
they arrested me took me to the county jail
when they searched me they found a crack but they never
found a gun you know what I'm saying i had a
where i had the stash by the gun was hitting real good
So they found a crack on me.
So they arrested me.
I had so many charges, man.
Like, they hit me with cells and possession, possession of crack.
I had one sack of weed.
They said, possession of the weed.
Cells and possess of the weed.
They gave me seven charges, man, almost, something like that.
All felonies damn there.
So I'm sitting in the county jail.
I'm miserable at hell.
I ain't never been through it like this is my second time going to jail.
You know what I'm saying as an adult.
So one of the guys in the dorm was,
It was like, man, you sit around letting that shit worry, man, you need to get in the law library.
You say you just graduated, you know what I'm saying?
So I went to think about it.
He's like, man, this is all you do.
You look up your charges and go find out what the first charge they gave you would and find out if it was legal for them to do that.
So I went to thinking, like, I knew my assurance wasn't expired.
So that was, that was strike one against them, you know what I'm saying?
They violated my constitutional rights.
So I looked up some case laws.
And then it was like the public defender that gave me.
All he kept doing was cop out to these charges.
I'm like, hell no.
So he was calling my mom, too.
Tell him my mom, look, tell him to take the plea deal.
Or he's going to get a lot of time.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm telling my mom, look.
I ain't coping out of shit.
Fuck that shit.
So I got in a law library.
I wrote all the statues down and wrote what they did wrong
and what they could charge me with and what they couldn't charge me with
and sent it to the public defender.
Boom.
I said, man, I need, I need you file this shit.
You know what I'm saying?
He filed it.
Like seven days later, I got a mail and I got a letter in the mail with another kind of jail.
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They hit me with that, but it gave me, it was a lighter sentence.
They gave me like probation, added on to my house arrest,
it already had, so they really just extended it, you feel what I'm saying?
They let me out.
So I went home, you know, I said, fuck that shit.
I'm just going to be way more smarter this time, you know what I'm saying?
They ain't going to keep shit on me.
You know what I'm saying?
So I just got out and just got back to getting money, man.
So like I said, I had a long run before I really caught another case.
This case I just caught, I got knocked off in 2013.
This happened in 96, 97, when I caught that first charge.
You know what I'm saying?
So I was, I was really, I was out slicking these people for years, man, you know?
That's how I felt, you know?
Right.
So, you know, I'm sorry, go ahead.
But so what, so your, but your, I mean, at this point, you got a, you got an apartment.
You have, are like, are you, you got a car, apartment.
You, like, what's the plan?
I'm staying with my mom.
So it's like, you know, I'm still hustling.
I ain't, I ain't really got no plan.
I'm just living day-to-day getting money.
So it was like, I ran into one of my old homeboys where I ran the streets with as a jitterbug, you know.
You know what I'm saying?
We used to get in trouble and shit, you know what I'm saying?
As kids.
So he just got back from college and he wasn't going back.
So we got us a spot.
We got us a spot and we just started trapping, man.
You know, selling crack, man.
We learned how to, one of other homie showed us how to cook.
We'll take one ounce, blow it up, turn it to two ounces of crack, man.
And we just cut that thing up.
We get the ounces for like 700.
We'll cut the ounces.
Once we cook it up and turn it.
Turned 28 grams into like 50 grams.
We're cutting almost like $2,500 worth of crack off one ounce.
So we're doing this now, you know what I'm saying?
We elevate now.
Once I got with him, we just came with a game plan, and this is what we're going to do now.
Every time we buy ounces, we're cooking it all up, and we're going to sell it out
this goddamn trap house we got.
We had a trap house on the other side of town of St. Pete.
and it's like a neighborhood where you got number of crackhead just walk around gas station right there
and man look and that thing that thing's 24 hours man number number bases coming in and out of
that man spending money man five 10 dollar we're getting everything coming through there so that
that was like my next elevating in the dope game you know what I'm saying so it was like okay
now I'm really seeing money now you know I'm I'm sitting on
10, 15,000, like, easy now, you know what I'm saying?
But I still don't know.
I got enough money to buy a whole kilo.
We don't, we don't know this.
We just, we're small-time hustlers.
That's how we get at it.
So we just deal what we had to do right then, you know what I'm saying?
To one of my homies, his cousin came and pulled up on us and was like, he's seen
us buying ounces, ounces, ounces.
He's like, man, y'all got enough, do y'all got enough money to buy y'all a whole brick?
So we started
We just we debated on it for a second
Because we knew we knew there's a lot of slimy shit going on you know what I'm saying
So we didn't want to put all our money at risk like that
So my bro my bro my bro, like man look here man
I got another club
A Cuban guy he ran into
Like he was like man look
He got some good shit
You know what I'm saying
So we basically started dealing with him you know what I mean
he was from uh columbia some god damn well
even a columbia or some some guy then well i didn't know he was spanish you know what
said but he was he started he started looking out for us we was getting
was getting probably like paying like 18 close to close to 17 18 000
of brick so now it's like okay let's do this here you're you're buying a brick for 18 grand
yeah and we're cutting it yeah we're breaking it yeah we're breaking all down like
breaking out of ounces and cooking it all up like we're we're we're not selling nobody
no it none of our cope we're cooking it all up and rocking it up letting it let me
let me go out this goddamn trap house well how much does eight you you invest 18
000 you cook it up and you sell it what do you make you're gonna you're gonna we're
seeing almost 70 grand off of a keep so how's how
man probably a week and a half two weeks fuck yeah okay
selling it all crack you know what I'm saying and then you know sometimes we'll
we got homie that that want like a half ounce of crack we'll we'll sell them
but a majority time we're cooking everything up you know what I'm saying
how long does this go on? We did this
We had a nice run, probably about a good, good two years.
You know what I mean?
About a good year, one to two years.
We had a good run, you know what I'm saying?
What it was like, we're all growing, we're all going apart.
He went back to college.
So he went ahead and he went and rode in Florida State, I think.
Yeah, he went to Florida State.
He left St. Pete, and he moved to Tallahassee.
and he went and rolled in Florida.
So I'm still,
huh?
I was going to say,
where are you living?
Like,
what are you driving at this point?
Where are you still living?
You're not still living in your mom's making.
Yeah.
I'm,
I'm still there,
but I'm,
I'm still helping her out,
you know what I'm saying,
but.
Right.
So I had,
I bought,
I had bought a,
you know,
I think I got a picture up in there here.
I had switched it up.
You know what I did with them pictures?
Oh, man.
I had bought a Chevrolet.
Put some candy paint on it.
I had some Dayton's on it.
I know what I did with the picture.
Let me see if I got these pictures right here.
But this, just the car I had, like.
What are you doing with your money?
Man, we partying, man.
Partying, back clothes.
You know what I'm saying?
Just, just living it up, man.
You know, we was young.
You know what I mean?
Like, when you, when you're young, man,
you're touching that kind of money, man.
And, you know, you can make, you're going to make it back.
You know, we wasn't giving a,
up. Right. So, so your, your, your, your, your partner goes back to, or he goes back to
college. What do you, what do you do? Do you keep running the house? You keep running the
place or what? No, uh, we closed it down and I, I got another spot. I went ahead and
moved into another, I found another spot. But this time, this time I'm by myself, you know what I'm
saying? This was like, this was like in 90, like 99, late 99 going into 2000. You know,
I mean I came up with another game playing you know but but the plug we had he wasn't he wasn't he
wasn't he wasn't I want to say I don't know if he wanted to fuck with us no more because you know
we made it we made him so much money whatever but shit kind of went dry you know what I'm saying
so it's like I don't really I don't really trust too many people you know what I'm saying
far as spending my spending like spending that kind of money with people you know what I'm saying
but I found my cousin one of my cousins uh he had just
got out of federal prison and he knew some people that had some good some good work for so for me
you know what I mean so so when he got out this this is like he got out like 2001 he did like a
five-year-bid federal and he got out like 2001 and he pulled it up on me you know what I'm saying
he heard you know he heard through the that I was doing my thing you know what I'm saying so
he slid up on me I threw him a couple dollars or whatever help him out you know what I'm saying
He was like, man, just give me a couple of, give me a couple of weeks.
Once I get settled in, you know what I mean?
I'm going to pull up on you.
You know, I'm going to holl out of some people because I know some other people.
He knew some Mexicans that had some good shit, too, you know what I'm saying?
That he was locked up with.
But I guess he was, you know, he was just giving himself time, you know what I'm saying, to get out
because he don't know how to, he don't know how the fed is going to work.
You know, they're going to watch.
Yeah, they're going to watch you when you get out, you know what I'm saying.
So, like, man, just chill out, do your thing, man.
Just stay out the way until I get right.
And then we're going to come up with a game plan.
You know what I mean?
So at the time, I was like, shit, I had, my money had got kind of low.
But, you know, I'm still, you know, I still have probably had a few thousand dollars.
But that ain't really, that wasn't really no money.
But it's being there, I wasn't broke, you feel what I'm saying?
And with my hustle, you know what I'm saying?
I wasn't worried about, weren't about going broke because I know I can, I know how to flip
money. You know what I'm saying? Even if it was
go buy a couple pounds of marijuana
break it down and get
off it like that, just, you know, just flip
money, you know what I'm saying? Period.
Everybody ain't got that gift to take a couple
dollars or that mentality
is just okay.
I can go, I can go get these
say, I can go get
five pounds for
600 a piece and go over here and sell them
for for 800 a piece
right quick light. You feel what I'm saying?
And do this and do this in a couple
minutes and know who go know who to go see so now you're profit you're profiting a thousand
dollars you spot you spot maybe 3500 for a gram but you're going to profit a thousand dollars
right quick you feel I'm saying that it's we call it a quick flip yeah you know what I mean
where you can do this do that and make it a quick flip and get right back you know what I'm saying
you do that two times two times a day maybe maybe two three times out the week you know and you just sit
back in man another thing too is money management you know what saying when you're in a dope game
you got to know how to manage your money you know what i mean you don't manage it you'll you'll
ball out and be broke you know i don't i don't fail maybe rock bottom twice that's because i
trusted someone with my money not that i blew my money you know what i mean i trusted somebody
to go re-up for me or re-up with me and shit went sour that's the only time i ever went
bro well hit rock bottom other than that i know when to stop spending money and manage money you
know what i mean yeah yeah i used to talk about i used to when i you know i talked you know i
taught the real estate class right uh-huh um i used to always say like you know these guys
like listen the drug dealers like they they have that hustle mentality and in real
estate like they would do great yeah because you know they're going they're going they're going
to neighborhoods that most people won't go into.
They don't have a problem talking to anybody.
They'll go up to anybody and start talking to them.
And most people can't do that.
And, you know, they don't mind going in the neighborhood.
They don't mind knocking on doors.
They don't mind talking to people.
And if they need to come up with some money, even if they only got five grand,
they can make three phone calls and get 30 or 40 grand.
Yeah.
Like they know people that'll lend them 10 grand, 5 grand, 7 grand.
You know, they'll put it together pretty quick.
Most people don't have that.
that's if you got if you're reliable like like you if you're i want to say if you're your face good
you feel i'm saying you're not you're not a slimy motherfucker scamback motherfucker you know everybody
know that okay then you're a hustling ass dude and and you know how to go get it you feel
i'm saying yeah you know you know you can lend money to like i i got a buddy who's getting
out of jail and it's like look if i you know if you need a couple thousand like i'll i know
i'll give it to him because i know he'll give me the money back he's good for it
there are other guys i know that they said hey can you give me a hundred bucks i'd be like yeah man i can't
i like giving you nothing you ain't never gonna pay me back no right you're funny i like hanging out
with you but i you're a bottomless pit so it's best it's best to say hey man i'm i'm gonna give you this
here and you just you just you ain't got to pay me that back you know what so what so what
happened how does this thing like how do they like are your buddy at this point are there any close
calls is anybody coming like people around you getting busted like you your buddies get busted
my city is like like people like people still go to jail state charges but but back then like
you rarely we rarely seen people go federal unless you was really doing it big you feel
I'm saying so it was like guys are catching dope cases boom they're going to state prison
Boom, Catch a Doca ain't going to stay prison.
Like, I avoided that shit for so many years, man.
So I guess how I moves and how I operated,
it wasn't like I was leaving paper trails anyway either.
Are you just hanging out with regular working class stiffs
or are you hanging out with other drug dealers?
I'm hanging out with the drug dealers, you know what I mean?
But when I go to the club, I'm by myself.
I'll pull up, I league.
I'm by myself, you know what I'm saying?
We all, the guys I feel like myself, we're all, we're all the same way.
So it's like we all, we all had our own cars, you know, we all have plenty of bitches.
And we all had our money.
So it's like, hey, what's up?
What we're doing tonight?
We meet at the club, you feel, we all meet up at the club.
We never really get together and ride in the same car to the club.
You feel what I'm saying?
We'll all meet up, you know.
so then it was like after I sold that Chevrolet I had bought this car right here I bought one of
these the North Star Cadillac right so it was like I sold that bought that car you know what I'm
saying at the same time still waiting on my cousin to come through you know what I'm saying
with this plug but you know I I I would just like like like me like I knew like round this time
a year it'd be indictment season you know i hear that too much like when november hit it's
time to chill the fuck out you feel what i'm saying right that's when they that's when the fans come
and do their sweep and i was seeing that on a regular now you know what i mean like this time of year
okay i i know to chill the fuck out i could spend spend a couple dollars and you know but i still
know how to manage money i knew how to make a play okay i can make a play for a thousand dollars i'm
going to sit my ass down again you know what i mean and get out the way you
you know, I go to a club, I ain't blowing a lot of money, you know.
I know how to come to the club and hang out a little bit, you know,
just stay out the way, you feel what I'm saying?
So I did go back to the junior college, St. Pete Junior College, you know,
and try to brush up on my education and see if I can try to earn a basketball scholarship
at the same time, you know what I'm saying?
That ain't work out.
Like, I got out there, and I played good.
It was like the, it was a black coach.
He was assistant coach.
He knew me from growing up playing in rec leagues and stuff.
And he was becoming the next head coach at St.P. Junior College.
And it was a Caucasian coach.
He was leaving.
And I introduced myself to him.
And when they had the tryouts, he said, man, I like your game.
I really want you a board.
you know what I'm saying
but the other coach
the black coach was like
I don't know what he said to him
but it's like he lost interest in
interest in me
I don't know if he might have told him
he knew me for selling dope
you feel what I'm saying
that's how that's my mentality
it was because I know he
he knew what's going on in the streets
you know his sons
his son's probably
telling him what's going on you know
but he didn't know that
that was like my way
of wanting to get out the hood
and get out the city, you know, play ball
and try to get a scholarship, man.
I really want to go to the NBA, man, like real, real shit.
Like, my game, like, high field, my heart, man,
I know I could have made it in the league
if I got a chance, you know what I'm saying?
But it kind of hurt that, that my own,
it was like my own kind, they really want to help me,
feel what I'm saying?
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I mean, I had to take it for what it was, and then it was crazy, like,
because I called my grandmother up in North Carolina.
She stayed in Greensboro, in New Carolina.
and I used to talk to her and tell her what happened
and she was like, baby, just come up here.
You know what I'm saying?
So we actually had a family reunion up there
and I flew up there with my mom and them and shit.
I let my uncles in and told them what was going on.
He was like, man, just come on up here.
You can kind of get in school up here.
So I went back and I thought about it.
So I shit, I packed the U-Haul up,
put my car on a trailer.
year, and hit it.
One of my home boys,
his name, Oscar Davenport, he used to play for North Carolina Tar Hills.
He played football quarterback that year.
It was his last year, seen year.
So he was in St. Pete for that weekend.
He needed a way back up there.
I said, come on, shit.
We took turn driving, so we drove from St. Pete,
North Carolina.
So I get up there.
I get settled in.
I grabbed my school transcripts.
I went to New Carolina,
and T campus and hollet at the coach but what i did when i got there first i went to play ball
they had a gym open so it was like an open open you know just just pre-recking out there so i'm
killing the guys out there man so some of the players who uh who was on the team they asked me
who i was where i from you know i introduced myself and everything like man you need you need to you
need to try out you know what i'm saying so i leave i leave to i had to run in my car for something
I think I went and got my paperwork
and came back in
and one of the guys took me to the office
I was where you go register at so
I'm in there, I'm talking to
I think this guy
was the assistant coach
or something for the team. He's a white guy
but he was, he's, he
the guys were telling about me
and he was like he was really trying to be so
helpful to get me registered
and get me, get me trying out
and try to get me on the team, you know what I'm saying?
Right.
they had a head black coach he didn't want nothing to deal with me like like this was the this
was the most hurting feeling it's like it's like it's like deja vu all over again you feel what I'm saying
I'm like damn like my own kind don't want to help me like what the fuck I got I got the white guy
willing to break his back to help me he see the potential but I got I got my own kind I don't want
to help me so it was like damn man what the heck like I want to talk to my grandmother
about it. You're like, I don't know what you want to do with me, but whatever you make your
mind do, I support you. So, so Granny was like, shit, what's you going to do? I'm like,
you know, my son had just been born. He was like going, he was like 11 months old.
I wouldn't have to think about all of that. You feel I'm saying? So it's like, so granny,
man, I got to get back to the city, man. I packed up, I packed up everything in my car.
I just hit it. To old, man, I holl at him. Holled at him. Holled at
them and just hit the road i stopped in alana on my way back hollied at my cousin he was he was
standing in lana then i then after i left him i hit i hit back to st pete so it was like damn what
i'm gonna do now first thing smoking i hollied at my cuss he was already doing his thing
after he got out by this point he had already got out of prison right so so he was he was doing
this thing and I had I had like three four thousand dollars cash I went straight to him
and like man look I'm ready I'm ready to get some paper man fucking I'm back fuck that college
shit this at the time this was not like 19 99 going on 2000 early 2000s like fuck it
let's go so he he he break me off for my for my four grand I just I just I just
I went in his spot actually and cooked up all the crack because he sold me powder.
I cooked it all up, went back to my mom's house, chilt that, and then I just broke everything down to rocks, man, and just, you know, cell phones had to start being popular then, you know what I'm saying?
It started coming out, so everybody was getting cell phones now.
So I just rode around through the city, different dope holes, and still incline tail.
I pull up on a smoker and give him a little sample.
Hey, man, he'll go my number call me.
You know anybody wants something called me, you know what I'm saying?
Next thing I know, my phone ringing now.
It was like, shit, let's go.
So now I'm back at it now, you know, so I'm like, shit, I ain't got no plan,
but this is what I'm going to do.
I'm going to make money, so I'm ride around all day.
I went and bought a little hoopty to ride around to sell my dope ends.
I'm ride around all day, just selling crack out of car, you know what I mean?
How long does this go on?
This went on, about six months, six, seven months, too, almost a year.
You know, I'm sticking and moving, you know what I mean?
So I'm like, shit, I'm coming up with another game playing,
but at the same time, it was like, I'm, I'm comfort.
I'm comfortable with what I got going on now, you know what I mean?
So this is like 2001, 2001, I'm sliding real good.
So now it's like another one of my partners that I ran the streets with as a youngster.
He pulled up on me.
You know, he said he got another plan, you know what I'm saying?
Do I want to end on it?
Like, what you're talking about?
Like, so we sat down, we talked about it.
It was a plan that shit.
he had a cousin that was going to front him some keys he won a certain price for a certain price for them and all he wanted us to do was get rid of them and whatever we made we made this with this price shit i can help do that ain't got to spend my money shit let's go so he was he was giving it to us for like 15 grand 15 16 grand at the time it was it was some good coke it wasn't a
best but it was some good coke so we're breaking them all down to ounces and i and uh we call them
interstates that's four and a half you know what i'm saying that we didn't we didn't sell them whole we
didn't sell them halves we wanted he said four and a halves and ounces that's how we're getting
rid of the four and a half's what we'll do we'll take fours four ounces and we put 14 grams
a cut on each one, each four ounces.
And then we'll take the other,
other ounces that we break down.
We'll put like 25 grams in each one
and put three grams of cut in it.
So we're basically making extra money now.
Right.
So now once we do that,
we're seeing close to 33,000 off each keep right fast,
though.
You feel I'm saying?
We're doing this shit fast.
So he'll bring us three.
He'll bring us two or three bricks at a time.
We'll do this.
We're getting off them.
We do about a week.
It was about a week.
You know, St. Pete is a small city, but, man, it's money circulating in it.
So we're doing this.
We're doing it.
We're doing two or three keys a week, easy.
So once we got this going now, no, I don't got my, I don't bounce back.
So I'm able to buy my own now.
He able to buy his own now.
We tell him, look, you ain't got a.
front us no more let us let us buy let's buy on and you know we'll keep it pushing so we don't
have to owe him that's that that was our mentality now we do what we got to do pump up and we'll
buy on now you know what I'm saying right all right so now so now we're we're we're doing our
thing now so actually and then
a home boy he catch he catch a case so he had he had his uh he had his house one night
and somebody breaking the house and it he ended up killing him you know what I'm saying
they know the person who broke in yeah and trying to find out it was actually somebody who
he was close to that he was that he was cool with you know what you know what right do
dude used to come over to hang out with him and smoke and drink and then you know kind of
find out because this ain't this this ain't happened just one time it happened like multiple
times because he'd tell me he's like man somebody broke in the house last night while i was in here
i said man i got to be somebody that's comfortable with you feel what i'm saying right he he
he never he didn't have a doubt it was me you know what I'm saying but he used to have a lot
a few guys over from that neighborhood where his house was at so
So we kind of find out, the dude was leaving,
the dude was believing,
because the house where you're staying is kind of big.
So he was,
he kind of found out the dude was leaving the window open.
And he sneak in because he know, you know, my dog,
he get drunk, you get high, you know, he pass out.
He'd be, he sleep hard, you know what I'm saying?
So, so that night, that shit happened.
It was like, when he killed him,
he put the dude had a mask on when he pulled a mask off on him he was he was just shocked
like he couldn't believe he couldn't believe that I was a dude who was doing it like
like I say this shit happened multiple times you know but you're you're only going to get
away with something for so long you know what I mean right especially if some
Miami shit you know what I'm saying especially when you're cool with a dude and you
started breaking in his house thinking it's thinking it's cool you're going to
eventually get caught you know what I mean
and that's what happened.
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adventure i think i just smurf my pants that's a little too excited sorry smurfs only there's
july 18th well what i mean what what i mean he called the police
was charged yeah he was charged he was charged with murder but you know he got a he got a good lawyer
and he ended up beating it.
You're going to say the guy broke in his house.
Yeah.
But man,
they wasn't trying to hear that shit, man.
They charged him with murder, man.
Like St. Pete, man,
they, this shit fucked up, man.
They charged him with the murder,
you know what I'm saying?
Well, he paid like $50,000 for the lawyer,
and he ended up beating it.
He ended up getting probation for the gun.
You know what I'm saying?
So that was like a blessing, you know?
like a real
blessing so
you know
after he beat the case
you know what I'm saying
he just killed
the fuck out
you know
for me
I just
I just
I kind of separated
I still fuck with him
but I kind of
separated myself
from the situation
because I know
shit was hot
you know what I mean
he just beat this case
so I know
I know it won't be long
you know what I mean
they're gonna
they're gonna still watch
they know they know he wasn't he was doing something for him to break in there you know what I mean
yeah so I kind of I kind of faded away in my own corner you know just fell back you know what I mean
and then I ran it I ran into one of my other cousins this was like in 2003 I ran into my other
cousin who got out of feds who did a good affair he did like 10 years he just getting out
And he was, he was, he was ready to get some money as soon as he got out.
But, you know, I was skeptical about fucking with him at first.
You know what I'm saying?
But he, he, he, he, he used cocaine, though.
You feel what I'm saying?
He was, he was, he was, he was a user.
He a hustler, but he was a user, though.
So, like, so he pulled up on me, you're like, man, you're straight.
I'm like, no, I ain't got nothing right now.
But, you know what I'm saying?
Like, you ain't been having nothing?
Like, I've been chilling.
Like, shit.
I know some people's, you know what I mean?
Like, what you mean?
Like, I know some people that I'd be having some good shit.
So I got with him probably like a couple weeks later.
I go over to the house.
He got some, he got some Mexicans over there.
So they all over there chilling.
And he introduced me to him and everything.
And he was telling me how they got, they got whatever we want.
You know what I'm saying?
Whatever I want, you know what I'm saying?
So we actually went to the club.
up. I ain't really do no business with them at first. We just, we just hung out. You know what I'm saying? We had to
Tampa. Hung out a few clubs. You know what I mean? Spent the time. I got, I just, I sat by and got a chance
to know them first. So around this time, it's like 2004, 2005 year. So, so I say, I'm ready, man,
what we're going to do? So they, they hit me up. They come to my house, you know what I'm saying?
At this time, I had them bought me a house and everything.
You know, I bought the house right direct close from my mom's house.
I got a fine ass, though.
So I got my own house now and everything.
So they come over to my house.
We're sitting right there chopping it up.
He's telling me what he want for him.
He wanted like 18, 5 at first.
That's what the price was going for, like 18, 85 for me first.
Once he's seen that I was coming back.
you know what I'm saying consistently the prices started dropping you know what I'm saying so
I'm basically like okay I bought I bought the first one you know I already knew who to go through
and get rid of this shit now you know what I'm saying I ain't no more selling no more crack
right it's ounces and four four ways you know what I'm saying I'm I got I got I got these guys
in this neighborhood I got I got four different four different guys
in different neighborhoods who I can go to
and they're going to buy that shit immediately.
So I get rid of the first brick I buy from.
I call him back like the next day.
He's like, you're doing already?
I'm like, yeah, man, that shit ain't that shit.
That shit went flat because it's good, you know what I'm saying?
So he come back, I buy one, he'll leave me one.
All right.
He said, I'm going to give you a couple more days, you know what I'm saying,
see what you can do.
Shit, that shit, them two was gone
within 24 hours too
I was like shit
I can do so I can get used to this shit
I'm doing this shit in 24 hours
I'm making his money and my money now
like this shit
this 24 hour clockwork like less than 24 hours
this shit gone so
so I like shit I called him back up
he's like man I ain't gonna be back to next week
just hold the money down you know what I'm saying
so he came back to next week
man he came when he came back in he had five of them for me
so I paid I paid for one
I paid for two actually and he gave me three
he's like this here man don't rush
just take your time because I'm like man you know
money called him getting rid of this shit
right so
so I'm at my house I'm looking like shit
I ain't never had as much work at one time you know
I got five, five bricks in right here in front of my face.
Like, really like, okay, shit.
This is what I'm going to do.
I'm going to keep, put one up.
I'm going to take these four and break all these down.
I did two of them in four ways, and two of them I did straight ounces, like, ounce to my amount,
28 grams, each ones.
I was selling them for, like, I was selling an ounce of, like, $1,000.
And I was selling the four ways for, like, $3,300.
even though I'm still putting
putting 14 grams on the four ways
making it making it four to a half
you know what I'm saying so I'm sending them 30300
I'm sending ounces
for a stack
man I got rid of them five bricks
within the four bricks within like
I want to say like five days
it took me like five days you know what I'm saying
because the guys who I was dealing with
they already had work that they just got from me
So it went, you know what I mean?
So like that next week when he popped up, you know what I'm saying?
I got all his money counting out, boom, boom.
I got all mine put up.
I'm telling him, man, what's up?
What we're going to do next?
He's like, shit.
What you want to?
You want to double this shit up or you want to just stay doing this shit here?
I'm like, no, I'm going to stick.
Like, bring me five.
I want to do five again.
You know what I'm saying?
So I said, this is we're going to do, though.
I'm going to sell some of these holes.
I'm going to sell two of them
and I'm going to break the other three down
because I knew a couple guys
who was ready to buy holes, you know what I'm saying?
So what they'll do,
they'll grab his money,
his money, his money, and they'll patch it up.
You feel I'm saying?
To buy the hole.
But what I do, this time go around,
I would take four and a half out of each brick
and put four and a half back into the brick.
and I would mush it all together
and then I would compress it back together
and basically re-rock it, you feel what I'm saying?
So now I can take, now I can do this here
out of each brick and put away a four-way out of each brick.
Actually, I was taking like a hundred and, about a hundred and a hundred,
about a hundred and twelve grams out of each brick, basically.
Instead of 125 grand, I take a hundred and twelve out of each brick.
So it would still be good.
So I put them back together, boom, boom, boom, get rid of, get rid of my hole now.
He giving them to me for like 18.
After I take mine out of that back together, I would sell it for like 23,000.
So I'm capping five grand, close to five grand of each one,
and I'm cuffing like four ounces out of each one.
So that's like $9,000 profit, basically, off of each keep.
So I'm doing it.
I'm doing this to every key now, you feel what I'm saying?
So now I ain't, I ain't, I ain't even breaking them down, breaking them down in ounces
no more for what I did.
How long you, so how long is this going on?
This going on for like two years, I had a good two, two, three year run.
Are you on anybody's radar at this point?
Like, I mean, do you think?
I don't know it.
I am, but I don't know it.
Okay.
How did you get on their radar?
like somebody got busted or basically yeah this how i got on the radar in 2000 in 2005 i think
it was i sold i sold a female two ounces of crack not knowing about a 5k i don't know
i'm green i'm green to federal system right i sold her two ounces of crack she called me back
and she wanted two more
so I sell them to her
only been I sold to her
because
I consider her like family
because we grew up in the
same neighborhood and she had already
been busted
no her
her sons
her kids father did
oh okay
all right
so he he called a federal case
and he was in a pen
I think he had a life sentence
if he was
mistaken and she's trying to get them out by working for the DEA exactly right that's third
party third party rule 35 oh five they call it 5k so I don't know I don't know they're
on to me I sell her this boom boom boom I can't be pushing so now I'm elevating I'm selling
keys now I don't she don't come by from me no more I find it like like still
that this happened in this like i say this happened 2005 2006 this going on 2009 i'm still doing
my thing like i got i got them coming in like i got these bricks coming in 10 a week i'm doing 10 a week
now easy i don't want no more than that i tell him man bring me 10 and i'm a dude i'm i'm gonna pay
for five you you you leave me five and everything's insured now you know what i'm saying my money up
I'm sitting on 300,000, 400,000 easy now.
You know what I'm saying?
So whatever they bring me is insured.
So these years, these few years going by, I still, back of my mind, like, damn,
she ain't never come back and buy for me no more.
What the fuck she got going on?
You know what I mean?
I hollered at my homeboys in my neighborhood, and I tell them the same thing.
Like, man, I sold this chick like four ounces, like two times, two different times.
I still don't know you know I still don't pay it no mind like he was like man
you know a baby daddy you know he in the fair like yeah I know but shit I say man they can't
get me because it's like she was the only one there at the time I made the sale you feel
I'm saying yeah well that doesn't mean anything I found out at the hallway
so I'm like I'm like what the fuck man
you know I still don't pay it no mind man so I'm doing my I'm on their radar though
this is the St. People's the police department I'm on their radar I don't know it so this
2009 this happened to 2006 right so the guys I was getting the message I was getting the bricks
from they do it they one of them get busted I'm still I'm dealing with the other homie
they knew how to find me you feel what I'm saying so one of them get busted and he debriefed on
me. So now, now I got, now, I think that's how the fares got on me. Her case was, was, was, was, was, was state police. You know what I'm saying? City police. When the fares got on me, the fares got on me through the Mexicans I was, the first Mexicans I was getting the kilos from. They got knocked off and they mentioned my name. You know what I'm saying? When I got my paperwork, I, I've seen all this here. So now I got the state police, the, the, the city police on me.
I got the feds on me now.
So now they're all in cahoots with me.
So it's like, okay, I still don't know.
I still don't know what's going on.
You feel me?
So I'm dealing with another set of Mexicans who got them too.
You know, like over there, they come from Bradenton.
They got like little hubs over there in Bradenton where a lot of Mexicans migrated.
You feel I'm saying?
So it's like, when the feds got me, they say, man, your name ringing so hard
in Bradenton, man.
We thought you lived over here.
I never went to Bradenton.
Like, I never been over there.
I've been over there one or two times and go see a female.
That's about it.
I never went over to get no, pick no dope up.
I never went over there and even talk to them guys or whatever.
They always came to me.
So it was like, okay, now I see what's going on.
You feel me?
But go back to the story like, like, damn.
I'm making all this money.
I'm still not, I'm still not, I wasn't even worried about the fence.
I wouldn't even think about them, but at the same time, I started getting spooked.
You know how you get this feeling like?
Because it's like everybody in, everybody in my city who was like doing something
major was getting swooped up by the feds.
Right.
You know what I was like, I was really like the, felt like I was like the last, the last,
last one in the city who who had major work but i never got pulled by the police they never
harassed me or anything so so so it was like i'm ride through the ghost town i'm right through
this town it's like a ghost town right that's how i was feeling to me because at the time now
i'm in i got a range rover now i got a e 500 mercedes bins so it's like it ain't too many guys
Things are going good.
Yeah, so it's like, it ain't too many guys in my city that's riding like that.
If they was, they already got swooped up, you feel I'm saying?
Yeah.
So now I'm feeling like I'm really feeling like I'm stuck out like a sore thumb because it's like,
you come past my yard, it's like, okay, I got a range rubber in the yard.
I got a Ben's part of the yard.
My girlfriend at times, she got one of the new Infinity trucks, FX35, she got one of them in the yard.
I had her old Mercedes.
Her old Mercedes, I painted it.
It's like a CLK 320 coup.
I painted it black and put some rims on.
We got that part of the yard.
I got a new money collar part in the yard.
New Monte Carlo S.S.
partner to the yard.
So you ride past my house, man, McCallel.
My yard is like a car lot.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's like, I'm still spooked.
But at the same time, I'm like, man, fuck it.
I'm going to keep getting me some money.
You know what I'm saying?
so so I'm dealing with another another dude another Mexican he slid up on me not knowing his
I didn't know his home were already debriefed on me so now I'm already pha's already on me
I don't know what's going on but I'm like shit I need some work like because one got busted
I need I need I need to get some work you feel I'm saying I need to get my money up you know you know
when you ain't listen man like when you
when you getting that type of money
and you're not constantly
hustling
and you live in a lifestyle, like
that money can go fast, man.
You can see, you can
blow 100,000 in a couple of weeks.
Yeah.
Like, easily.
And you won't even know it. You feel I'm saying?
And then at the time,
I had a, I had my record label
going too. So I had, I had
some artists certified.
I had one of the hardest artists in the city named Scrutel.
He had one of the hottest albums out, you know what I'm saying, at times.
So I'm putting money behind them, trying to get them guys' record deals.
You know what I mean?
I had a club I was promoting, a strip club I was promoting.
You know what I mean?
On Saturdays, you know, I mean, I used that club basically to promote the music and the brand.
You know, I didn't care about the money that the couple of hours I was making every week.
That wasn't really nothing, you know what I'm saying?
But I was doing that to promote these.
Like I said, I want to give these guys record deals.
Right.
So you're hoping to parlay your, like, the drug proceeds into, like, a legitimate venture to try and get out of doing the drug thing?
Yeah, that was my plan.
That was my next plan.
Okay.
I don't fuck selling dope when I got these hot-ass artists.
I can get, I can get, get this label off the ground, get it worth a couple few meals, man, shit.
The dope game over with it.
Right.
They ain't got to sell no more dope, you know what I mean?
It was crazy like when I got, when they, when they busted me that, when they kicked my door in on the seizures, on the seizure papers, that's what, that was the last thing they wanted.
Documents pertaining my record label, you know what I'm saying?
that's why I told my artist
I said man look
you guys would have stuck with the plan
you guys will be millionaires right now
because if the fans talking about you
you're doing something as far as just music shit
you feel me you're on your way
they're going to make sure
they're going to make sure you don't get that record
they're going to do everything they can
and throw a wrenching that situation
they don't want to see young
young rappers ride around the city
in foreign cars and
and blowing money
and all these other shit,
because guess what I'm going to do?
That's going to help.
Once you become a millionaire in the music game,
you're going to be able to help others become millionaires
if you stick to your plan, right?
You feel me?
Right.
So what happened, so this is your,
you've got a bunch of stuff going on.
I mean, what, how does this kind of,
how do they, is this when they come down on you or?
Yeah, no.
No, no, this, when they come down, this, this, this what I, like, okay, I'm, I'm in the club one night, and the feds was in that club.
Like, they used to come in that club, and I didn't ever notice, you know what I'm saying?
So, so, so, so, yeah, they're not wearing T-shirts.
No, no, they're hanging out with us, like, I don't, I don't know this, though.
so so like like okay i actually stop hustling for a little sec like because i did feel kind of like
a little heat so i fell back for a minute about about six months six months i wasn't doing
anything you know what i'm saying so i really just kind of sat back and tried to analyze
things okay try to see where the angle's at you know what i'm coming from
like yeah all back you get that it's it's that intuition you can just you can feel it it's coming down on
you yeah and you think oh you know you step back and pull back i mean that doesn't work but
you can you know you start trying to back pedal and shit never works analyze everything so
so i tell so actually me and me and me and my rapper we fell out like we basically we basically
he had a little argument
about some money
so me and him we fell
out so I told him man
fuck this label y'all can have all this shit
you know I'm gonna go get me some more money man
fuck this shit
and like I said I was on a hiatus for like
six seven six seven eight months
I wasn't doing anything
I would just focus on the music
you know what I mean I told them they can keep
the studio I told them y'all keep
that club that night
that we was promoting together.
Y'all keep that,
y'all keep all that shit.
You know what I'm saying?
Y'all have you.
I don't want no more dealing with that shit.
So I got the hell on,
went home,
came up with another plan.
Like I had to sit back in the real,
still I was still spooked
because I still had that feeling
like shit wasn't right.
I feel what I'm saying?
And then one of my home boys,
he called me, he said he wanted to meet up
with me. So me and him met up.
because we didn't want to talk on the phone.
He was like, man,
I just got word from a couple guys, man.
You need to chill out.
I'm like, what you mean?
He's like, man, lead him messaging alone.
They're trying to flip you.
You know what I'm saying?
You're hot right now.
I'm like, what?
Where you heard this from?
He's like, man, don't worry about that.
Just chill the fuck out.
You know what I'm saying?
And I took heed to it because this is my main man.
He ain't going to tell me nothing.
He ain't going to tell me nothing wrong.
you know what I'm saying but I still I still was naive because it was like
shit I got bills to pay man my money my money getting low I took a hit a couple
times you know what I'm saying I ain't mentioned that you know what I mean I took a hit
shit wasn't right you know what I mean the shit I bought wasn't right you know
I took a few losses but I still I still had a couple of dollars left so
so I fell back again and then I
I ran into another one of Mexican dudes.
I got back on again, but I wasn't moving a lot like I was before.
You know what I'm saying?
I wasn't doing $200,000 in a couple days like I was.
I would do $30,000 sit down.
30, next couple days later, sit down.
You feel what I'm saying?
I basically slow rolling, but it was still good money, though,
but I was slow rolling.
So this round, this round, 2018.
2011 you know i was nitpicking you know what i'm saying but i'm still hanging out of clubs every
night not giving a fuck you know what i'm saying so i i used to coach little league football
so i'm at the field one day and i had a guy approached me that i knew from a child as a child
he pulled up on me like what's going on like what's up boy ain't seen you know why you've been
you know what i'm just i just been shitting bro you're like man i need you
that what you mean
that boy I need your help
but I know you can help me
I'm like man I don't know what you're talking about
you know what I'm saying
but that man come on man
everybody knows what's going on
not knowing I ain't thinking
I ain't thinking at the time
I just know him
we childhood friends
all and all he was a CI
he coached football too
but I didn't know he was a CI
so he pulled up
I'm like man he'll take my number
we'll rap later
okay
he called me he said man where you at i tell him where i'm at he pulled up he pulled up to my house
he comes to my house you know what i'm saying he like man i need a couple zips i'm like what you
talking about some coke i'm like what you been what you was paying for him he said i paying like
like a like a thousand lamb when i said you know them shit don't went up shit shit slow out here
you know what i'm saying so i pulled i had like six ounces of the coat i showed it to him
he's looking at him you know what I'm saying
he ain't got the money right now
and a funny feeling just went across me
like don't nobody come window shop at nobody house
man for no dope you feel me
right so he left
when he left when he left
he was like shit uh
I'm gonna hit you back
so he hit me back like two days later
he said I'm ready man
I got I got the
money. I said, me, you know they're $1,500 a piece. I told them, I told them 12 at first, but
nine, I told him $1,500 just to see what he going to say. It's like, shit, that's it.
Like, yeah, I need $1,500 piece. I want two of them. So I, I took, like, one of the, I took one of the
zips and put, I put so much bacon soda in that motherfucker. And each one, you couldn't help but look
at it and see what big a soda. But when he came, he looked at him, he said, he said, he said, he
say nothing about it. So that was
like another, like another
you know, any other person
that came in cop for me, they'd be
like, man, why all this shit is shaky like this
here? He didn't, he didn't dispute.
He didn't say anything about it.
So I had like a funny
feeling again, like, damn, what the fuck
he got going on? He gave
him the $3,000.
It was like a whole bunch
of fives, ones, and tens.
Like a big, like it was a big
knock. Counted the money, boom, boom, boom.
he left he got the shit he left so as soon as he left i go outside for a little minute
and my neighbor my neighbor he he a cab driver he he like to sit out in his car where he
calls and shit so he called my name like come in for a minute i'm like what's up so i meet
him at the gate he said oh man that dude just left your house man he was adding real
suspicious when he left your house like how my house is it's like
like I'm close to the corner
to where the cross street is
like you come to my
street you've been a right or left
and then there's a canal right there
so he was like
like when he walked out your door
he said uh he
he was just acting real weird
and he looked down towards the canal
and there was a car sitting down there
with the window with the lights off
on the street like they could see your house
I'm like what? He's like yeah
like the car was sitting there
a dude when he walked out to the door, he was looking
down towards that way, and
he got in the car and went that way, and the car
followed behind him.
Feel what I'm saying? So
I'm spooked again. Like,
damn, I hope this motherfucker ain't no goddamn
troll, whatever. You know what I'm
saying? But then
I still, and then I thought about it. I'm like,
man, I'm good with him.
He ain't, he ain't nobody. You feel what I'm saying?
Okay, he
he called, he, listen, he called me back
like
like a week later
he said I need to
holl at you again
like what's up
I'm gonna talk to you when I get there
he comes to my house
he said
I need some
I need some rocks
he said I need some joys
that we call them we call them
we call rocks we call them Joles
I need a couple of Joles
and I'm thinking
myself like motherfucker you just bought
two ounces I know
he's like, man, I can't find my key to my safe.
He said, that was the excuse.
He said, I can't find a key to my safe,
but I just need a couple of rocks to go catch my buddy or whatever.
Now, that we call crackheads, you know, buddies, you know what I'm saying?
Right.
You know, so my nephew, because I had a small studio in the back of my house,
you know, since I let them guys go, I had a studio at my house now.
So I would record at my house.
So my nephew had left his crack with me because he had to,
go do something so i grab he and make a soul to the guy i saw him three of them and he left so i don't hear
from no more i'm calling him i called him like like next day like what's going on and he answering the
phone so it's like i want to say this like december about december december 6 early it was early
december i don't hear from i don't see him or nothing so
this come around
December 18th
I'm going to go Christmas shop
and it's right before Christmas
December 19
I go over to the International Mall
you know
they had you know they got the Gucci store over there
and all the other shit over there so I'm going to buy me
some new sneakers some Gucci sneakers
and a couple you know some
some more apparel from over there
so I'm in there before I go in there
it's this lady this lady say
how you doing today
can I read your poem
I say what
she said can I read your phone
so I'm over there
I'm over there with two females
I just met we all
we all went over there to go shopping
so she's like man don't do it
she just want to scam me out your money
like no I want to hear what she got to say I say man
let me let me get my stuff
and I see you when I'm done
so I'm going I pay for the shoes I get two pairs
sneakers I think I bought a hat
in the felt or something so I'm
I'm coming out.
She got that waiting on me.
So she grabbed my palm.
She's rubbing on it.
She's like, I see something.
I'm like, what do you mean?
You see something.
She says, she sees an indictment.
And listen, she said, I feel you.
She said, I feel you in some trouble.
I'm like, what kind of trouble?
She said, I can't tell you that.
But I feel you're going to be in some trouble.
Well, her last word was, you're going to be okay.
You're going to be all right, but you, you're in some trouble, but you're going to be
all right.
You feel what I'm saying?
And I was spooked as he said that, like, so, so me and the chicks, we leave, we go eat
an oligar, and all, all this shit on my mind, like, like, on my mind, like, I'm thinking
about this lady that told me this shit.
So we eat, we eat oligar, and they drop me back off, boom, I go home, I call them a little
chick, I'm like, man, listen, we're going to stay in.
night, you know, just
pass me and hub, we
chill, dog, you know, we, I say, man,
because I'm thinking maybe somebody
going to try to rob me, you feel
what I'm saying, some shit like that.
But not knowing, when they say troubled,
that can mean, like,
anything, but when they say danger,
that's different. You know, trouble and
danger, like, two different words, you feel
I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. You might look at
them different, so I'm thinking it's true. I'm thinking
maybe, okay, if I go out of the night
some dude might try to rob me. You know what I'm
Man, because I had a situation.
Ain't nobody try to rob me, but I had niggas plotting on me.
You feel what I'm saying?
So I called her.
She'd come over.
We laid it up.
We're smoking.
We drank it in my studio just fucking off.
You know what I'm saying?
So we're doing that all night.
We go in my room.
We lay that.
We just hanging out all night, man.
It's on my mind, though.
You feel what I'm saying?
So I lay down.
One of my cousins called me, said, he's supposed to swain through.
Come holl at me before.
before he take it in that night, but he never called me.
This is my cousin who I got what, as soon as I got back from North Carolina,
you know what I'm saying?
Man, him was real close.
So I go to sleep, man, we fall out, we go to sleep.
I wake up that next morning, I turn on the news.
I'm watching Bay News 9, you know, Bay News 9.
And all I see is my cousin's picture up there.
He just got killed, man.
Like, I'm really lost for words.
I'm tired of him.
I'm like, man, get up.
I got to go down here because I know he was at a motel.
He was running a gambling spot out of a motel.
And it shows that some guys tried to rob him.
He killed one of them, shot the other one, and he got hit.
He got hit, too.
so he died you know what I'm saying so I ain't I'm just I'm just distraught now
like my all my all my all my thing and I got to get down here in this motel
see the fuck going on so I tell her she'd get up she getting dressed
she in the bathroom actually getting getting dressed so I'm jumping on getting dressed
and my phone rang I look at it and it's like a weird number it's like all numbers
in letters across the screen.
I say hello, and my phone is echoing so loud.
I'm like, that shit ain't seen right.
So I hung it up, boom.
I get back to getting dressed, and my phone rang again.
I say hello.
Don't about to say nothing.
It echoes.
All I hear myself echoing.
So by the time I put it back down, boom, boom, boom.
I hear flash bombs going off.
police police i look at my window man man listen my yards worn with cops blue jackets
i look out my back door i see one one cop hop hop on my gate
and he and my dog my i got a pit bull and a rock waller back there man and listen all i see him
hop back over the gate because my my pit trying to eat his ass alive so i'm i'm running around
scrambling my room like what the fuck
I had some coke and my guns.
So I throw everything under the nightstand.
I throw the coke and shit under the bed.
And by the time I do that, they in my house.
I'm in my room.
By the time I do this, they don't breach my door.
They're in my room, man.
And I just, they said, lay down, lay down.
I just closed my eyes.
I said to myself, Jesus, God, please let this be a nightmare, a dream, man.
and then I woke
I opened my eyes again
man I see all kinds of guns
just pointed at me
you know I got I just like this
I got my hand like this hill
like damn god
you y'all you y'all jic
it was like the worst feeling ever
man you know what I'm saying
like the chick she
hiding in the closet
she's like
she's so goddamn scared
you know what I'm saying
I just told her
man I just told them I'm man
she ain't got to do with this
y'all let her go man
She don't know what the fuck I was doing.
She ain't got nothing to do with this shit.
So they let her go and everything, you know what I'm saying?
Like, man, that was like worst feeling, man.
Like, like, really, like, because I never been through that shit.
Like, like I said, I've been hustling since I was damn there, 15, 16, man.
I never been through shit like that.
I don't seen it happen, but they never, I ain't, now I got experience it.
You feel what I'm saying?
so i have a question the i mean the bus or your your cousin getting killed and your bust being on
the same day that had nothing to do with the other two separate events yeah but it all happened
like he got killed that night and i just i just learned about it that morning when i yeah because
it happened it's right exactly like like like like like really like like like because i'm like damn
I just wanted to make sure
because it seems like it's connected
like that's a real coincidence
but he's running a gambling operation
and somebody tries to rob him
that's totally a totally different thing
but yeah that's just okay
it was like he called me that night
before he said I'm gonna hit you up
because he was just leaving the club
I said I'm chilling the night man
I'm staying in for night
you sure I'm like yeah man I'm staying in
because any other time I probably would have
went to the motel with him
or we got him or we went to the club
you feel I'm saying
yeah yeah
I'm like
I was I was so distraught man like
god damn cousin got killed man
and then this shit happened like
a couple seconds later once I find out about him
so man my mind was just gone man
like
like that's like the worst feeling dog
you know
yeah
everybody
when them people got all of got their military rifles pointed at you got there here and talking about he bet out moving you know they're going to shoot you man you reach for anything man they want to shoot you they want you to read it's like they want you to do something exactly and they're going to be justified man yeah um so what so they they they handcuff you they bring you downtown like was this a DEA or is this FBI or who
is it it's all of them like all of them and say people least right and the sheriff
department it was all like i had like basically because the informant guy who i sold to at my house
the two ounces of coke he come to find out he was a confidential conformant for the sheriff
department so i i had i had a i had a fed case i had a state police case
for that crack I sold that woman back in the days in 06 and I had I had this the fucking
sheriff department case so it was like all three task force was on me so what they
when they get you downtown they try and have a conversation with you or yeah they try to do all
that and try to try to make me make me tell who I was getting it from and everything but I like
like i'm not gonna do that like right let me just just going just going and book me and i'll see what
see what the fuck going on from there you know what i'm saying did you get did you get bond what
like what's your attorney say like sure what it was uh i got a lawyer he got he got me bond
because they had me had me had me with a high bond he got me a bond reduction so so i was able to
bond out i had a friend friend girl she's a bondsman so she came and got me so what
What happened was my case was state at first.
So I went on, it went on for like five months.
I hired a lawyer, or Frank Lauderb.
He's a good state lawyer, but for federal, he ain't shit.
That's a majority of lawyers like that anyway.
Yeah.
You know, so I hired, I hired him.
My case, like I say, my case went on for like five months with the state.
And he was like, he was like, man, what's going?
going on is the feds and the state is debating about who's going to take your case.
He said, most likely, your face is going to go federal because you got a gun and they want
your ass for years.
Yeah, like you said, your name had been, hey, come up over and over again.
They've been hearing about you for years and years.
They already got you buying or selling years earlier.
So, yeah, they definitely, they definitely want you.
Yeah, he was like, man, just be, just be prepared to get indicted, man, by the federal, by federal, man.
And that, that shit, my whole stomach just dropped in my ass when he said that.
I'm like, what the fuck?
Like, man, shh.
Well, what did they hit you with on the federal?
The federal case was.
firearm 924C in furtherance of a drug trafficking crime or possessing a firearm by felon
basically right and and possessing the because I had like I say they found cocaine and crack in my
house this what they said they said we're going to throw the cocaine out you just play out
to the crack I say I said shit that's a deal you feel what I'm saying not
knowing the crack going to give me way more time than the cocaine right i was going to say so because
you you had a gun like that and you've been arrested before yeah he said i was a cook
right so you're looking at 10 years minimum mandatory is 10 years right so you're not getting
less than 10 years but you got more than that no yeah because uh the fight the gun the gun the
carry five right and the crack the crack carries they gave me six years for the crack basically
okay damn so you took a plea for that and you had to turn yourself in yeah
man the only the only the guys guys who don't bend the affairs kept telling me they said man look
don't play with these people they come with a plea jump on it
push kind of show you can fight it from inside the prison you know what I'm saying
you can what are you going to do go to go to fucking trial you've already you're already
sold multiple times like they've got you hands down they only need a few people to get on
the stand and point at you you're you can't beat that and then you're not going to get that sweet
deal you're going to get 20 years 25 years exactly that's why that's why I jump right on it like
this is what they're coming with okay when do I
sign it's really just it's the best of a shit you know you're trying to pick the best you got
nothing but shitty options yeah because because at the end of the day in 11 years is a long
ass fucking time too long time that's a long fucking time I just told my mom told my kids my mom
I said man I'm just gonna go ahead and take whatever they come with man so I can get the
fuck on man and start just start this process man you know
I was going to say at least you did have some you knew it was coming you had some time to kind of prepare yeah like with me they just grabbed me up and everything's gone and I got nothing I can't sell nothing I can't put anything away I can't I can't put anything away I can't I can't put anything away I can't I can't put anything away I can't I was able to keep my property
you know what I'm saying
they took the money
they took the range road
they took the beds they took the money
they took the jewelry
you know what I mean
that's all they really want to come do
you know the money
the money they recorded
they found was
way less than what they found
right
you know how that goes
but I mean
it is what it is
you know what I mean
that's part of
That's part of the game.
We got to take that lick, you know what I mean?
So I just, you know.
How much time did you go straight to Coleman?
No, I sat in the county jail, you know, until six.
Well, I was out on bond at first because they gave me a signature bond.
My mom didn't signature bond, so I was out.
So I was able to get my, get my everything together.
You know what I'm saying?
I never been in no trouble.
So the judge granted me that.
You know what I'm saying?
Of course, they were trying to get me to.
cooperate but no i wasn't been to set nobody up none of that shit man fuck no i ain't i got to go
to prison so i you know i can't i am not going to have that on my goddamn shoulders like that
you know what i'm saying so i did and got everything together turned myself in and you know
colman low my first my first stop i got there in 2013 so i stayed i stayed at coleman for
like two years at coleman and then they packed
me out, me and a lot of other guys, and sent us to Yazoo, Mississippi.
So I went out, I did like another 20, about another 20 months at Yazoo.
You know what I mean?
I got out there, that, that, that, that, that, that, that prisoner is really,
totally different from Coleman.
Yeah.
I heard even the lows rough.
Man, listen.
That's a different, that's prison.
Coleman low
And that's a
That's a
That ain't nothing
Compared to that shit out
Man
I ain't
At Coleman Lowe
I seen one or two fights
I got a Diazoo
I see
I see two
Three fights a day
Fuck
If there was a fight
At the low
Like
They'd lock it down
For two or three days
You know
but when I was in the medium
there would be a fight
they'd call
you know they they lock everybody up
and then they the next move
they'd open it back route
yeah
they know what's going on man
then when I left Yazu
I went to uh my points drop
so they sent me to Pensacola
Pensacola camp
okay I got a chance
to see camp life was back
you know what I said so
I did
I lasted like 10 months
you know what I mean
I got caught with the phone
cell phone
yeah
so they sent me back to
Coleman Lowe
so when I got
I got by the Coleman Lowe
like early 18
so I did the rest of my
I stayed there four years
I did the last four years
four years at Colmonds
so you were there when
when COVID hit
yeah
oh
it was bad right
man I was like
that was like the most depressing
pressing time
man like I don't like like like they wouldn't let us we couldn't go outside you know what I'm saying
it's like we couldn't get fresh air like how could you why would you want motherfuckers if it's a COVID
it's COVID shit like why wouldn't you want motherfuckers to go out and get fresh air every day
yeah I think they were just using it to try and cut the budget you know to try and lock you up
and you know they can keep you locked up all the time they can
get to they don't have to fund all those different all the different things they can cut the
guard staff they got a bunch of guards to fucking take early retirement yeah less work for them
to do feed you in the unit and then they was feeding the feeding was horrible man we had to eat
refugee trays man right peanut i was man listen i were glad to get a hot meal um was
Do you remember Red Bull?
Yeah.
Did he, didn't he go back to, he went back to, um, Coleman, didn't he?
I'm not sure.
I remember, I remember him.
Yeah, I think he went to the camp, though.
He might have been the camp.
He, because he was at the low.
Then he left, went to a camp.
And I heard he, he fucked up at the camp, went to like a medium or, or to another low.
Maybe Yazoo.
And then I heard he went to Coleman.
I assumed he went to the low, but it might have been the camp.
Mm-hmm.
So when did you get to, then you went to the halfway house?
Yeah.
No, actually, like my, I suppose got out of June, June 16th for this year.
And I had an incident with, with, remember Eertel?
the facility worker had the beard real piece of shit like to just cuss every cuss at you for no reason
yeah i think so i'd have to see him but yeah yeah me and him got into it like the motherfucker
was patting me that me and him had words before you know what I'm saying because I used to work
the compound and shit I was a compound worker so they were shaking our unit down that day
and we were on the rec yard.
We were all coming out, the red yard.
You know how they patted us down.
We come up to the red yard before we go back in the unit, you know what I'm saying?
So he made it his duty to come over there and help them out because he knew our unit was out there.
And I told, I told, uh, Davis, Lieutenant Davis at the time, I said, Davis, man, I don't want him touching me.
He's like, all right, don't worry about it.
Go to go down to another officer, go down all the way down because I had to walk past him
because Urtale just came and jumped in the line, right?
So I come and pass him.
He grabs me by my shoulder and say,
man, now I'm going to pat you down.
Man, get your motherfuck of my hands off me.
You know what I'm saying?
Fuck you got going on.
He was adamant about searching me.
So I'm telling him, man.
Y'all see this man here?
What the fuck he got going on?
So Thomas,
Councilor Thomas was there.
He's seen a lot of other guys trying to figure out
why the fuck he's so,
everybody was trying to figure out why he's so adamant
to want to search me.
You feel what I'm saying?
yeah so i'm telling him told me told me no don't go to the next man so i leave from buying me steady grabbing
and he's trying to search me so uh cordero he's a lieutenant now his spanish guy he's a piece of
shit too yeah he was like he's he's like fucking let him search you i'm gonna take you to the shoe
and i'm gonna search you so mind you i got 30 days before i go home you know what i'm saying
i'm like fuck it man you know what i'm saying so he told me spread my legs and everything he patted me down
So the motherfucker, he chops upward, man, like on my testicle, bro.
Like, he pat me down and chops up, boom.
It hit me in my fucking nuts.
So I turn around, I'm going to fucking be his fucking ass, dog.
I'm like, man, y'all see, man, you fucking hit me in my nuts.
I'm making a big ass scene about the shit.
Man, they does nothing about that.
They just say anything, anything.
They steady yelling at me.
Go to the fucking unit.
I'm going to lock your ass up.
man i i want to just go home man like like like i got 30 days left man i just want to go home
i don't know smoke but i just got violated you feel i'm saying right so so i walk past him
i say you you're a piece of racist piece of fucking shit man he hit a man it's fucking nuts so i go
to the unit i get on the phone i call my mom and i tell her to call my lawyer so i'm
I'm going to call my lawyer and tell them what the fuck just happened.
And I emailed the aide, the assistant warden and told him, look, man, I just got sexually assaulted.
Right.
I hit him my nuts, man.
Everything, everything's recorded in line.
I tell my lawyer what's going on boom, boom.
So they called child.
One of my homeboys who work facilities, he coming in to the unit, he said, man, look.
that what's ass motherfucker urthale say uh man chill the fuck out man you know what I'm like
what fucking he's talking about he the fucking he the fucking hit me my fucking nuts
he's like man he said tell you whom would he was he was telling me in his word like
tell you whom would he chill the fuck out man fuck that motherfucker man he's fucking faggot
any man he hit the man that nuts is a fucking faggot man so I'm in my home
other home we walk into the we walk into the child I see him standing in front of
standing in front of Charles if he's waiting on me,
feel what I'm saying? So I get down
there, birthday, he say,
oh, he starts yelling at me, like,
go fucking take those pants off.
Like I told you before, I'm saying to myself,
like, motherfucker, you ain't never,
you ain't ever say nothing to me about, because I have my pants
altered. You know how they do, you know how they
redo the pants, so they
sort of slim fit now. So,
I hadn't had these pants for
them near a year like this here. I had a couple pairs of.
I guess he used that at a
excuse to come
come yell at me or whatever so
I'm telling him man
I ain't changing shit
fuck you
he's like what fuck you said man
I said just like man
cracker fuck you
man his face got so fucking red
man when I said that to him he just started
cussing so
so he tell me to get against the wall
by the uh
by the you know the
the maintenance workers
where they do that little office right there
for the S-I-S and the big doors are?
Yeah, yeah, I'm right there.
He got me right there with my hands on the wall, pat me down.
I'm like, man, don't fucking hit me in my nuts again.
Pussy, motherfucker.
I'm cussing out of me shit.
So we face-to-face now.
Man, I'm ready to just punch his fucking lights out, man.
And I see he's cussing so loud
and he's got everybody's attention.
Like, you know, he's an attention seeker.
Like, he all people want to do talk shit.
He don't want to, he don't want no smoke.
so so uh miss harris working a commissary she she come out the door uh the laundry worker come
out the door uh it's a lot of staff just out the door they just watching this stupid
motherfucker cuss at me like this here and i got my fistballed up i'm just saying i just ready
just crash it all in man like i'm just like like but i'm in my back of mind like shit i got
30 days left is he is he gonna be worth me knocking him the fuck out you know what i'm saying
and go to the pen, you feel me?
So I look at Ms. Harris
and the other staff, I mean, they're shaking
their head, like, don't do it.
They see it in me, like,
but they're just shaking the head, like,
like, don't do it, please don't do it.
So I don't do it, right?
Mr. Felt, you know,
he's the case manager down there,
in A1, A3 for the Unicorn Union.
He's standing out there.
He's like, man, show the fuck out, man.
He called me over there.
He walked me in a cafeteria.
So he's like, man, you go get your food,
and I'm going to holler at you afterwards.
So I'm in line.
Motherfucking, he's coming in and get me.
He's like, man, come in.
They called me out, the AW out there.
This is the new AW, the black guy.
I'm going to tell him what happened.
He don't want to hear none of that shit.
He's like, lock him up.
They took me to the shoot.
I'm like, what the fuck I did?
Disrespect with my staff.
I said, man, he assaulted me, sexually assaulted me.
so they take me to the shoe
I go I see
Sharma the SIS lieutenant
I tell him about it
he does nothing about it
I tell Captain Baker
he does nothing about it
they don't know nobody
nobody come talking to me about that situation
about me and hitting the testicles
I say you know what I got a trick
so while I'm in the shoe
I'm writing down dates time
everybody that was
that was there
when it was seen.
I'm talking about I got this thing detail to the core.
Medical come past.
I tell them,
I explain that what happened.
They don't do nothing.
Okay,
what's your name?
I write that name down.
In the shoe,
you know,
they come through every week with the warden,
everybody,
you know,
just to check on everybody, right?
So I put a sign on the door.
I was sexually assaulted by a staff member.
I need to talk with somebody.
So everybody,
the warden read it,
the AW read it,
captain read it that everybody read that note i put on that door
nobody come talk to me
i wrote that i wrote that down day time everything
so mr noddo the medical lady she comes
she's she's heated i like what the fuck you mad for i'm the one guy
hit in the fucking nuts she like you didn't have to put that note on the door
she's like i'm gonna come i'm gonna see you're gonna see you
so they called me out they take me to the
medical. I tell them what happened. They said, but they scones me for
a ultrasound. So I'm back in the shoe
four weeks. I'll see Nair and doctor. I'm still in pain.
Like, you know, if you get hitting your nuts hard enough, you're going to feel
that shit in your abs. You feel me? So I'm like,
I'm like, what the, I'm, I'm feeling this pain. I'm got this pain
in me. So what they do, they give me two shots,
check my points, and back my date up to
October instead of June.
So I don't go home in June no more.
I go home in October and they send me to the medium.
So when I get to the medium,
I get over there.
I put cop-outs in to medical
about seeing about what's going on.
They had me scheduled for ultrasound
when it's going to happen. So
they're scheduled my ultrasound.
I get the ultrasound back
and shows that I have fluid
that built up on my left testicle.
So I still don't get
no medical attention.
though he said with time it'll go away i'm like man i'm in pain i need i need to see a doctor for real so
by the time i they schedule me for a doctor i'm on my way out yeah so this this what i do i get
with a guy uh who does law work in there i gave him all the information that i've been document down
and he wrote me up a five page
affidavit so I can file charges on that guy you know what I'm saying and I got I got
to type up and everything ready to go I got to sign my name on it I made copies of it though I got
like four sets of copies five sets of copies so I'm going to sign each one I'm waiting I'm waiting
I'm waiting till I get off this home confinement wait till I get on probation because you get
you know you get two years to file charges you know what I'm saying so I said I'm going to wait
until I get on probation.
I'm going to sign one.
I'm going to send it to Washington, D.C. to PREA department.
The next one, going to go to the prison.
And I'm going to send one to, I forgot that.
He gave me an address.
He said, send them one to these people to and keep your copy
and send your lawyer a copy.
So I got a map that how I'm going to do it.
So I'm just waiting until I get this ankle monitor off.
And now I'm in probation,
in custody now. You feel what I'm saying?
So they don't try to be in the BOP custody and do that.
That's right.
So like I'm, right now I'm scheduled to go to the doctor next month to go get it checked
down. I got, I signed up for the free health care for a year through the halfway
house. I got that coming. So I'm going to get, I'm going to get this shit checked out,
man. You know what I'm saying? And just basically, basically after the after I get out this
goddamn custody, man, I'm going to, I'm going to file.
charges on that dude man like like really like he he really out of pocket man like
what you say no i was just thinking i mean that's just you know some of the like i always
say like some of them guards are just there to get a paycheck and some are there because they
just have a power trip you know they're just like sadistic yeah like and he even the guard
like he's a facility work
and you
he does the most on the compound
to fuck with inmates
like
like I don't like
he wouldn't do that
that medium or that pin
you feel I'm saying
you get away with that that low
like a lot of them
a lot of them guys they get away with that shit
at that low like some of them don't
got their ass whoop now
I ain't know you probably don't see it
what you remember
the guy they called the CEO his name was solo oh yeah is he still there no they sent him to
just a medium his first week there he got beat up he
listen I watched him I I mean he was constantly fucking with inmates yeah just he was just
vicious like I watched him really flip a guy like
a like a UFC move
like just like through the guy
the guy's legs went in the air, slammed him
on the ground. I mean it was
brutal. Guy didn't do a thing.
Didn't do a thing, man.
The guy walked by him.
He was here. He grabbed him to
push him up against the
wall to frisk him like, didn't say like
hey man, let me pat you down. Just grabbed
him. Guy caught him back like, what the
fuck are you doing? Boom. Flipped him in the air
slammed him on the ground.
I was walking down the hall when I
thought. I was just like, holy shit.
Yeah, I seen
Hallstead do somebody like that.
Here, another one, somebody going to knock
him, knock his fucking ass out, man.
Yeah, they get punched every
once in a while. Somebody slams them
and... Well, that's why I remember
Walters? Yeah.
That's why he was working in his shoe. Somebody
had to knock them out. Yeah.
Bird, too. The one bird,
the youngster had just started working there.
You know, the, the
is I you know that they bring it on themselves you know what I'm saying like I don't want to see
anybody get hurt but it's like you know what are you doing like you're you're bringing this on
yourself you're disrespectful you know like like these guys look these aren't angels that are in here
these are the fucking inmates aren't aren't angels but then again if you just treat them with
respect they'll treat you with respect and everything's fine but instead you got to talk to
people like they're a dog that's it and they talk to you like a dog now there's a problem
not as a problem
and I would listen
there's the COs
I was polite to everybody
and I would still have them
talk to me like I was a fucking piece of shit
even though I'm yes sir no sir
perfectly right and they just go
out of their way to try and
try and make do something
yeah I don't
I ain't cool man like I don't dig that shit
at all man but
to each is on man they'll get what's coming
to them though
Hey is carries
there? Who? Carrie? Counselor Carey? No. Okay. No, I think he went to the medium. God, he was a scumbag.
I think they seemed to the medium. Um, I'm shocked how many people are still there, but. It shipped. They were doing a lot of job changes. Like, some of the CEOs became counselors. Some of them, they sent different spots to be case managers and stuff.
Depends on their education.
Is Thomas still altering his shirts, making them real tight?
Yeah.
Looking his eyebrow wearing a little make, that little ruse.
I mean, he's something else.
But actually, Thomas was really, he was, he's pretty cool, though.
He's pretty fair, you know what I'm saying?
Here's the thing, like initially the first couple interactions I had with him,
he was a total dick.
But then he became, then he was like a, a counselor, and he was my counselor in the, an art app.
Yeah, yeah.
He was super cool.
Like, he was really cool.
If you got into a room and nobody was around, he was cool to you.
Yeah.
But it was a couple times, you know, the first couple times I had to talk to him, it was just like, fuck, you're a dick.
But then, you know, like I said, then, then I got into a room one time sat down and he was just like, it was so helpful.
nice just the nicest guy and ever since then he was totally cool but i think dr smith at the time
had him she put him caught him in you know got him in line you know they they said her to
they said her to the pen man yeah i heard that yeah they said her to the pen she because she
was doing some of the scumbag and shit like guys being them made it through the whole program
and now with two weeks ago you you're kicking them out the program like for some shit like
man listen
when i got
when i got the yazoo
and i ain't take the drug program
but them guys and that
drug program was hanging the fuck out
they wasn't doing all that stupid
pull-up shit you know what i'm saying
they do the program after four o'clock
they ain't on cell phones
liquor smoking everything in that that damn
unit man
no she was
that wasn't happening there she
she was having guys turn on each other
i went to the program twice
i did it twice
damn well i dropped out both times just before like i did six months one time i think and i did seven months
one time i dropped out both times damn so you did too many guys go in that program right
man by the time they get out they got gray hair everywhere yeah a lot of stress
you ain't supposed to be stressed inside
I mean that's
that's like another world inside of prison
to be in that unit
It's like being inside a cult
But listen
The unit was quiet
It was clean
It was that was the best unit to be in
Yeah
Um
Well so what are you doing now
Right
Right now
I'm focused on getting my music get my music out you know what I'm saying because I made I made a drop I made a couple of albums before I left I never got a chance to put them out you know what I'm saying so I'm working on that I'm working on put my label together so I can uh I got a few guys that's getting out that I want to sign you know like I want I want I want to sign people I want to build my label off of guys who getting out.
who want to get their life together
and want to do music?
Whose heart set on doing music?
You know what I mean?
That they don't want to go back
to that street life, you know what I'm saying?
But I got to show them like, look, okay,
when you get out, money, money, money ain't going to be,
you got to get your job.
Folks selling dope, trying to go back to the street life
because I'm not signing new artists to my label
that's in the streets.
We can talk about the streets,
but we're not going to be any
motherfuckers. I'm not going to jeopardize my
label, you feel I'm saying? So
in the contract, that's what I'm going to have.
If you bring
anything that jeopardizes
trouble
to this label as far as with police
beefing with other artists and other
things, I'm dropping you
from this label, man. It's going to be in the
contract. You know what I'm saying?
Get your job
and work.
and show me that you want to
you want to be part of this label.
I'm not just going to give you some money, man.
I mean, I can,
but I don't want to give you money in this contract
and then you're going to go to the streets with it.
All right.
Why dump all your time and money and resources
into getting them something?
I mean, how many guys are like that?
Like, they'll actually be doing well
and they're still fucking selling drugs
and getting into gunfights.
It's like, that's why you got into music to begin with
was to get out of the fucking that life.
Exactly. That's my point, you know what I'm saying? So I'm not, I'm not, I really don't want to, I really don't want to put too many artists on my label that I got to, I have to keep my eye on them. If I got to keep my eye on you, I really don't want, I really shouldn't have to be dealing with you. You feel what I'm saying?
Well, you would think getting out, getting out of prison or doing prison time, you would think that while you were locked up, you'd realize that, you know, I don't need that much.
Yeah.
You know, that that that's what that selling drugs and, you know, being in a gang and that that's what got me in prison.
Like, I'm willing to sacrifice to stay out of there at this.
So, listen, that's what it taught me was like I, I, I'd rather be able, I'd rather have a lot less and be able to turn the television when I want to turn the TV.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
I got a girlfriend.
Like, I got my own.
Like, I don't need too much.
I'm just taking pleasure in the simple things.
Exactly.
We take that for granted, man.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm able to go cook more.
Definitely got to stay out here.
Yeah, I'm working on that, my label.
I'm working on a, I got a book coming out.
Because I used to cook Lily Football.
so we as coaches were
father figures to some of the kids
who didn't have fathers who were deceased
or incarcerated, you know what I'm saying?
Or simply just had a father
who just ain't give a fuck by them.
So I want to share it light on to that situation
to where the book is called
a coach is a second father.
You know what I'm saying?
So, you know, I want to highlight
different aspects of parents
who need the
basically
if your kid
ain't
ain't listening to you
and the father right there
and he want to play sports
talk to the coach
had a coach talk to the kid
you know what I'm saying
you'll be amazed how
how a lot of kids
look up to their coaches
you know what I'm saying how much power
a lot of coaches have over kids
you know what I'm saying
And then I'm bringing up the situation to where watch your coaches.
His child molesters is coaches.
You know what I'm saying?
You talk to your kids about if they feel uncomfortable
and your coaches touching the kid and surf sort of a way.
You feel what I'm saying?
I'm bringing, I'm going to share a lot of, a lot of,
I got a lot of subjects I go over in my book.
and I'm basically I basically want to you know it's just something it's just something that came on my heart like like during a pandemic you know what I'm saying I thought about it I say shit I can go I see a lot of guys writing books you know what I'm saying and one of my one of my friends like man people don't want to people don't want to read no book if they ain't talking about drugs and I say that's bullshit I'm going to show you it's other things you can come up with.
in these books.
You know what I mean?
You just got to be creative.
You know what I'm saying?
And creative,
creative and authentic.
If you can,
if you can give a person a creative,
authentic book,
everybody ain't going to like it,
but somebody will.
You know what I'm saying?
So I'm working on that.
And I got a couple of movie scripts.
I,
uh,
TV shows that I wrote.
You know,
I'm just,
I'm just slowly,
slowly putting,
everything I
vision that I wrote
and put into a plan, I'm just
slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly
walking the steps of it.
You know what I'm saying? So
I appreciate you letting me
come on to your podcast, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Here in my story, you know.
Yeah.
No, I appreciate you coming.
You know, Jess and I were, you know,
what's funny is how this came about.
is that you know
Jess and I were walking through the mall
and saw you and I was like
God he looks familiar
and she's like we were in the halfway house with him
I was like yeah you know
yeah because I you know
because keep mind you were in Coleman
and then you left
and then you came back and I guess I saw you
in the halfway house too right
but I just wasn't
I guess I just didn't place you right away
yeah
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