Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Untold Story Behind Dog The Bounty Hunter | Duane Chapman

Episode Date: August 2, 2026

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Now, see Spider-Man. A face with a threat. That can be anyone. On the biggest screen possible. You got to come with me. I don't know if you're the real Spider-Man. I promised that I would keep you safe. Fine.

Spider-Man, brand-new day. Now playing. Started robbing hippies all over. Pulled the trigger. Do-ch-choo-choo-choo-d-choo. All of us were found guilty. And let me tell you something, young man, you could be one of the greatest bounty hunters ever. You know, I was very young, and I was terrorized.

by my father. I remember sometimes that I got in trouble at school or something, push some kid, and my mom would say, here's the paddle, take it out to your dad. So my dad would get out of his truck with his lunchbox, and I'd have to hand him the paddle,

and he would, you know, I'd tell him what I did, so he'd take me in the bedroom, pull my pants down, and start whacking me with this paddle. So it was a terrible, I used to love authority. I wanted to be a policeman.

And I realized his abuse, physical abuse, led me to hate everybody in authority. And how old are you? You're just like a little care. Are you like five or six or how old are you? I was three or four when he started spanking me. First he used a belt and then I got used to it. Then he made this wooden paddle at work. How often is this going on?

Is this like a, is this a content? constant thing or is it no it's just constant thing probably uh two to three times a week is it constant because of because you're just like a bad kid or what is like what's is it always kind of a disciplinary thing or is it just like did he have an alcohol problem uh he was a dry drunk uh he had an alcohol problem but he uh you know if i said something wrong or did something at school wrong or anything well i got a whip it and then i you know, my father didn't believe in men crying. So I would cry and say,

Dad, please, no, no. And then he'd say, you cry like a baby. And then when I'd not cry, then he'd say, oh, you're a tough guy now. You don't want to cry. So whether I cried or not, I still got beat. Yeah, the dry drunk, it's funny. My dad, same thing.

Well, you know, he could be the greatest guy, just the greatest guy, but he would start drinking. And I mean, just he would turn in, go from my hero to just being just such a piece of garbage. And it would go on for a week or two and just, you know, belligerent and just my mom used to call him tongue lashing. Just say the meanest possible. Like he knew exactly what to say to just crush you. Well, my dad, too. The stuff he called me was ignoramus and stupid and dumb and are you retarded and stuff like that.

So I would rather, though, be called names than be beat like he beat me. And he didn't beat me in the buttocks. He was right below that in the back of the thighs. And back then, guys and girls showered, you know, boys showered with boys. And I wouldn't shower because once I did and, you know, this one kid started making fun of me. And so he was using a urinal in the bathroom. So I punched him in the back of the head and got suspended and got home and got beat. And then I had, I could not, like I'd be sitting there and all of a sudden go to sleep.

And so I got beat for that. And then finally, my mom was a nurse, took me to Children's Hospital. And I had some disease that, you know, makes you just fall asleep right away. I forget what it's called. But today, still, I take a nap every 20 minutes. And so my dad didn't understand that. Narcalypsy? Narcalypsy, yes, sir.

And then I had like a twick, a twitch. I always go with my mouth like that. And he'd see me do that and I'd get beat. So I'd hit under the table. We had this big ground table in the front room and I'd do that. And that was just, I don't know what it's called, but there was a lot of things that he did to me that made me again, and hate authority.

How long does this, I mean, go on? Like, what does this eventually lead to you? Do you get kicked out of school? Do you like? Well, I was 14 and had big bruises. And the vice principal, his name was Sipe, called me in there and said, where'd you get all the bruises? And I said, well, you can't tell my dad. And he'd say what?

And I said, my dad makes me pull my pants down in front of my sisters and waylaes me, beats me. And he said, okay, go in the other room. I had this little army caught where at lunch I could take a 20-minute sleep. And so I'm sitting there, sitting there, and my dad comes in. And, you know, took off work and walked in. And we both sat down. Mr. Seif was like sitting where you are. And he said, so, Wes, your son says you beat him.

Da-da-da. And my dad said, yeah, well, he said this and he did that. And so Mr. Seip said, listen, you know that your mom's a good Christian, and the Bible says, spare the rod, spoil the child. So I was very depressed because Mr. Seip was like, you know, a man's man, right? So I thought he could talk to my dad and say, at least don't make you pull his pants down, not my shorts, but my bridges in front of his sisters. And so I got home, I got beat for ratin, a snitch, my dad hated him. And so then I went to school the next day. I went into Mr. Seif, so I was 14, and I flipped him bird with both hands and said,

I quit right, you can't quit school. I said, you want to bet? And I walked out. So then I went home. They called my dad. So, you know, he came in my bedroom and had his board. And I said, you're not going to do this to me anymore. And my mom said, now, Wes, West, so my dad pushed my mom.

So I had this big butcher knife. I forget what it was. It was one of the Daniel Boone knife. And so I said, listen, you touch mom or me anymore. I'm going to gut you like a pig. Oh, is that right? And my mom was holding him back. I said, Mom, let him go.

And so he threw all my stuff, he took all my stuff, put it in pillowcases and a laundry bag and threw it out the window, broke the window and all that. So then I went and moved to my grandpa, Mike's house, my mom's dad. How long did you stay there? Did you keep going to school? No, never went back to school. I stayed there three or four months. And then in the juvenile hall, I got subpoenaed to court. and I was in front of a Judge Gilliam,

and my mom and dad said, we don't want him anymore. We want you to put him in the youth home. And Judge Gilliam said, why? Well, he keeps using this four-letter word. And so Judge Gilliam said, Duane Chapman, you ought to know. Your mom's a Christian.

You can't use that F word. And I go, Judge Gilliam, I said, shit. And so my Ann Iris was there. She stood up in the court and said, I'll take custody of him. So I was almost 15. I stayed with my Aniris two or three months because I was the new kid at school, gotten all kind of fights.

And then I called my mom and dad and Iris and said, listen, one of the presidents of the motorcycle club's name was Ray Sexton, I said, we want to go to Phoenix? Would you give Ray custody? So my mom and dad and Ann Harris signed this letter and we went off to Phoenix, and that's where I met the devil's disciple. How did you know him? Well, he was a local biker, a local guy, really nice guy.

Ray, Ray, we called him. And, okay, so you had just, you just knew him from just being in town? Just being in Denver. What year was this? Oh, I was like 15. So, well, when were you born? 53. Okay.

So what was that? 68? 68. Yeah, 60. Okay. So then I, so Jimmy Hendricks was playing in a concert. right oh my god and so i went to see jimmy hendricks so i'd seen all these bikers and saw they're all in black and the girls boom boom they're harleys you know i could i would shake me inside

and all the girls wanted to ride you know so i thought oh this is a way to pick up girls so we went to this concert and these hell's angels were there so i kind of creeped up to him and sat next to him and i had a jee jacket looked like a biker with no colors and so this uh hippie was like two down and this hell's angel said is that good pot and he goes yeah he goes can i i'm going to roll one so the hippie gave him the bag and you have any papers he gave him papers and so he rolled it passed it to his brothers then he passed it to me and i thought oh that's pretty cool and so uh i looked at the back of the thing and it said hell's angels california but they were in phoenix to see Jimmy Hendricks.

So I told the hippie, hey, give me that bag. So I took the whole bag and bought an ounce of pot. And then I said, and give me them papers. And the Hells Angel went. You know, I gave back to him. I go, no, what's that thing on his side? And it was like a thing full of wine, you know? And I said, what's that?

He said, it's Bally High Wine. I said, give me that too. And so the Hells Angels like, man, you don't pay him? I said, no. you just take their stuff, they're peace, love, and hippie five. I said, they're all... They're all hipsters.

I said, so, you know, that's when the Hells Angels recognized me. And so one of the Hells Angels said, listen, how old are you? And I'm like, oh, 18. He's like, well, you baby face. What's your name? And I said, Duane.

And he goes, well, you should meet these guys. They're called Devil's Disciples, and they're a sister club of us. You have to be 18 to join them, but you have to be 21. I still think that's the road to be a hell's angel. So Ray Sexton and I met the devil's disciples, and, you know, I'm going pretty fast, but after that, I became a devil's disciple. And my dad was a champion heavyweight boxer in the Navy.

So he kind of taught me how to box, but I've always had a huge big mouth. I like to start not anymore. Right. My wife is like, yeah, he has. Well, wait, did you, you didn't have to prospect? Because I've interviewed a guy who was a part of the dirty dozen. Yes, sir. I know exactly who they are.

Yeah. And I remember him talking about he had to prospect for, I don't know if it was six months or a year, but he was just like it was horrible. It was horrible. Like they just call you up in the middle of the night. Yes, make you do stuff. So you had to prospect. for six months. Okay.

So I wore a prospect patch, right? And so again, there was a huge concert. And so they pulled all the bikes up. You know, I had an old chopper. And he said, the president, Houdat was his name. He said, you guys sit out here, prospects, there was three of us with the wives. And so these wives busted out spray and rags

and started cleaning all the Harleys. And I thought, what the hell? I ain't no bitch. I ain't gonna clean these up. And so I snuck into the concert. And again, there was hell's angels. So I walked right over to him, what's up, brothers? Or what's up, you guys? You don't call them a brother unless you are an angel. Nothing much. How are you? I said, good. They didn't know me or nothing. But again, I had the, you know, the prospect colors on that. And so when I got done, I started walking down

this round thing and there, all the brothers were sitting there. And, uh, Who dad said, listen, prospect, you're not going to make it. And if you don't make it here, you're going to have a problem. You're supposed to sit out here with all these guys. I said, all right, sir, I'm sorry, blah, blah, boss. So I lived in, it was called Five Points in Phoenix, Arizona, and I went into these Asians who owned this little store. And I said, is that back door back there?

They said, no, it's a one-bedroom apartment kitchen, all that, really nice. I said, how much? They said 60 a month. So I told Who'd at where I lived and all that. So one day I had done some Belladonna, some seeds. Oh, they're worse than L.D. And so I was tripping. So all of a sudden I heard all these Harleys outside, right?

So immediately I came right down, right? And so Who'd at knocked on the door and came in? He goes, I listen. A couple things I want to tell you. I said, yes, sir. I, as your president, usually until you get your colors, give you the nickname, and I've got one for you. And he said, you know what it is? And I thought, ah.

And so he said, you know how you pray before every meal? Because we ate crap, you know what I mean? Went through New Mexico and, ugh. And he said, and you always talk about God. And I don't mind that. I believe in God, too. So I'm going to nickname you dog. You know why?

And I said, well, because I'm loyal, man's best friend. He said, no, that's God spelled backwards. And he said, listen, you don't want to prospect six months? And I said, a presma, I answer, yes. No, I don't. What if someday you had these disciple colors on and somebody said, take them off? And I said, I wouldn't do that. He said, you'd die for these colors.

And I said, again, you know, Presma, I speak my mind. Yes, I said, you give me your. your gun and your colors and try to take them. So this before we had cell phones, so he opened the door, didn't say nothing big like 6'6. And he had two girlfriends, two women. And he said, there was a van, a big black van at all the choppers. So he told Little Pat, he had his colors out of my bag. And Little Pat was the vice president.

He started griping, ah, he's a scrub. He's not even big enough to kick over Harley. And I said, Prez, I kicked mine over, and it was the knucklehead with a suicide clutch. I mean, I had to kick it like 10 times to get to start. And so he said, I'm going to tell you right now, here's your colors. So the first assignment we had, he came again and said, okay, we're hooking up to the clubhouse. So there was about 30 of us. And he said, we're going to go rip off the dirty dozen.

Take their patches in Phoenix. And their Taco Bell had these seats where you sit outside. So all of a sudden there they all were. So we pulled up. There's eight of them. So everybody's, you know, think of what to say. So I immediately got off my chopper, walked up there, and I go, which one of you guys is, and the VP vice president was there? I go, listen, we're armed like you, all of us.

But there's more of us than you. And I'm going to tell you right now, I carry two guns. You see him? And I went like that, and he saw him because I carried him right here. And I said, I want your colors. right now and I'll either, if I have to shoot you, kill you dead, then my brothers will kill the rest of your brothers. Take off your colors right now. He's like, oh, man, what's your name? I said, my name is dog, disciple, devil's disciple. So he took his colors off. So all the other guys were like,

oh, so I took the colors, handed him to hood at, and you're supposed to sew their patch on your butt. So Little Pat, the vice president, didn't like me. So I gave him a gift of the colors. And then Little Pat started liking me. So then my press said, listen, you're not the toughest one here. You think you are, but you got the biggest mouth. You got more balls than something. He goes, I'm going to make you Sergeant of Arms, puppy. I go, puppy, little Pat called me that. And the press said, don't call him that. And he said, so you got the big, you're going to start all the fights. You're going to, so when I started fights, you know, I'd wait for one of the brothers to take over, right? And they'd be like, get him, dog. And so, and this is skin on skin, you know,

bare knuckle. And I have a chain belt that I still have today, and I'd use a chain belt. And, you know, I was pretty, I thought I was tough, but I had to prove to men that I was tough. So I finally met these men and I thought they'll whoop my dad's ass. So my mom, I called my mom and dad said, would you like to come down and meet my, you know, brothers?

My dad said, sure, because I thought, yeah, you say something to Hootat. And, you know, I mean,

my dad was a big, not fat, big muscular guy. And so he had a barbecue grill and they were out there. And my dad came in the camp for me and mom was sitting there and he goes, man, that Who Dad, he's a hell of a guy or a heck of a guy.

I never heard my father swear. And so I thought, damn, man, I was, I wanted him to get to beat up. And my dad said, yeah, you need to stick around with these guys. And I said, okay, good. And then they said, man, that's, I wish I had a dad like that. And my dad, when you first met him was so nice, the most polite guy. And once you got to know him, you were a piece of caca. Right.

So, you know, I didn't tell them that. But so that's what really started. And then I started robbing hippies all over. I have a good friend still alive. I've seen him two weeks ago, Paul D. Thompson. And so we'd set up all these drug deals, you know. I'd comb my hair down and wear a hat or something and say, we both had firearms. And I'd say, hey, how much dope you got?

And he goes, oh, we got like 3,000 hits of liquid ALSD. And I go, let me look at it. What do you do? He said, you drop it on a sugar cube. And he goes, so what's you guys name? And I go, he's Peter, I'm Paul, and this is Mary Hippie. I'm taking that shit. And so I robbed hippies twice a week for their cash and their dope.

So I had a girl named Silver, who I also saw a couple weeks ago, and she would go to concerts and all that and sell all the dope for me. Right. So I was like, man, this is because it wasn't illegal. The LFD wasn't really at the time. No, it wasn't illegal to rob the hippies of their cash or their dope. Because what are they got to do? Go tell the cops, oh, he took.

That guy named Dog, Discipled, took all my drugs. Right. So I made a living on robbing hippies. I was going to say the guy, my buddy Mike, who I was locked out with, he was to steal in motorcycles. Yeah. Like he was in Arizona and he was a member of the dirty dozen. Oh, really? I wonder if, how old is Mike?

What do you think Mike is 70? Probably 70. How old are you? 73. He may have been there the same time. He only lasted a few years before he went to Miami. But he would explain just how it's just the insanity of the biker gang or the bike of lifestyle was. Right.

Well, I still ride a chopper, but I belong to a Christian motorcycle club. and it's like 50-50, half-felons, half people that work and all that. So I am a biker at heart, you know, and a lot, my good friend Bobo Martinez, I went to school with him and all that, and he passed. And he said, yeah, I can see where you're rubbing, while you're catching all these guys. You're doing the same thing you did when you track down all the hippies. And I would track them down, you know, ask if you see this guy, do you not get any of this, You know, no, not that stuff.

I need Lolo stuff. I need that really good crank, which was speed back then. And I did. I mean, God had a plan for me way back in the beginning. And, of course, so did the devil. But I learn how to track down people by learning how to track down drug addicts. How long are you tracking down the hippies? Are you just robbing or are you setting up a deal with them?

Are you like, hey, I need some stuff. And then you make sure they show up with enough. and then you rob them? Well, at first we robbed them. Then we got to, you know, we got to, we were robbing savings and loans and everything, right? And so people got to recognize being Paul. So we had different guys and different girls set up the drug meeting, and then we would come in. We had an automatic Thompson machine gun, and we hit this big drug house upstairs.

And I had no idea when you pull the trigger. I thought you just held it still, but it jerks to the left or right. I forget. So all these SIPPs, ah, boom, we booted the door. They're all on the ground. And my brother Paul told this girl, where's the dope at? I don't know, told the guy, I don't know. So he took a baby and held it up by its leg, like outside as we was on third floor and he goes, I'm dropping it. I asked him later, would you drop that baby? He goes, yep. And so the girl finally told, right? So then I said, there's a lot more in here. So I pulled the trigger. And it blasted this big book.

shelf. And then the guy finally said, okay, there's that. There's this. I mean, we made like $20,000 worth of drugs plus cash. So just as we was leaving, I opened the door, excuse my language, when I'm going to say what this hippie said. He was on the ground and looked up at me, and he goes, far fucking out, man. Here's a good joint. And he gave me a joint. So even the hippies like being robbed by me. And I, and then I'd go back and say, listen, I'm sorry. that you guys that I robbed and kicked you in the mouth and all that, my brother Paul. But I said, you got to stop this drug dealing. You'll go to church.

Do you, you know, I'll smoke a joint with you. I'll smoke a cigarette with you. You need to stop this. You know, it's a good thing. It was me that was there because any other guys, you know, would have shot you guys. So again, all those days of robin hippies and all that led to kind of the backseat right, giving him a cigarette, pouring, you know, first beating them up, giving him a cigarette, and then pouring Jesus down their throat. Again, God had a plan. I got there not through,

not as the crow flies, but I got there in a roundabout, the roundy, roundies that we all have in every state, I hate them. But that's how I got to where I'm at, roundy, roundy, roundy. How long does this go on? Are you robbing these guys? And what do you mean? robbed a savings and loan. That's a bank robbery. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, we had masks, and we had these red ribbons. So we tied a ribbon on the bottom. And so I'll just tell you one of them. So that same knife, when you open the door, this big cowbell, you know, rang. So I gave Paul the knife. We walked, I had a saw it off. We walked in. He cut the bell off, threw it down. I said, listen, we're the red ribbon rippers. And they're like, ugh. I go, so I didn't know about dye

in the bag and all. I don't think they had it. I said, this is insured. Do you see the sign on the door? Insured for so much. So why lose your life? Because I'm going to tell you something. I don't give a damn, all you pecker woods, because we had shades on and gloves. And so the news came out, two black males robbed, you know, saving. Right. Savings alone. I almost said it. But it's past 40 years.

So, you know, we made a lot of good, I made more money than somebody educated in college at 15, 16, 17, 18 years old. I made a lot of money. How long is this? Are you getting arrested at all? Are there any arrests or is this just, it's just a wild, wild west and it's just there's. I never got arrested for. that. Then they made it illegal to rob the hippies for their money or dope. And Paul took the

Hades Hades Hades Motorcycle Club, crazy guys, up to that same apartment, robbed him again, but they took their TVs, microwave ovens. That's when microwaves just came out. They were like $3,000 or something. And so they turned him in and Paul went to prison because of it. And so right then I stopped robbing hippies and started burglarizing houses. Getting a job at a factory, that wasn't even something you considered. I tried. Okay. I tried several jobs like that.

But there was always somebody that said, you know, you need to work until 10, then you get a break. I'm like, I need a cigarette now. Right. Well, you can't smoke. Okay, I quit. Right. So when do you eventually, when do you get caught? Or you don't get caught for any of these?

No. Okay. Never. I mean, I got, you know, no, never caught for robbing nothing. When does, when do you get caught for the, well, I guess what is it? The, is it, was it manslaughter charge on the robbery that you went to prison for? So I was at Denver, Colorado, and I saw this girl with, you know, big, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.

And long black hair. so I walked up to her and I said, me and Paul. And I said, what's your name? She said, Debonne. I go, what? Levanta. I go spell it. L-A-F-O-N-D-A.

I said, La Fonda. Right. And I said, where are you from? Texas. And so I met her, started dating her, and then married her. So first we moved to Illinois. Then she caught me going out on her. She was eight months pregnant.

She called me and said, I'm in Pampa. Please. come here. And I go, Pampa, Texas, I'm not a Texan. And so I loaded up my Harley, my dog named McGovern in a big black panel truck and headed for Pampa, Texas. So as I'm driving, I see all this white stuff, you know, growing on the side of the road. And so I pulled over and busted a few off, right? And I saw this, you know, honky tonk bar. It was like one o'clock. So I pull over there, went in and I told the guy, I said, what's this stuff? And he said, where are you from, Yankee? And I said, I'm not no Yankee. You know, I'm from Denver, Colorado and Arizona from

oh, you west, from the west. I said, yeah. So I went over to play the jukebox, all country right, and a couple country music I like. So I put it in and some guy goes, why are you playing that misses? And I thought, misses. So I've always had long hair. So I've turned around. I go, listen, you redneck son of a bitch, I'll bust your ass up. You got that? He's like, I'm sorry, son. I didn't know you's man. I go, you want me to show you something that I'm a man?

And so this guy goes, listen here, young man, where are you headed? I said, up the road. Because I took three, four shots and I knew I was a little lit, right? And he goes, that there's cotton boy. He said, I'm going to tell you with that attitude, you're going to see a lot of that. And so went there, had my first son, Dwayne Lee Chapman, the second, and I made a deal with God. I will quit doing felonies. I'll supervise them, but that was it.

I'll quit robbing people doing things. And I did. Supervising them is just a conspiracy charge. Like, you can't supervise. That's you're a part of the crime. Well, you have to plan it to be a conspiracy. This just came off the cuff. Okay. Okay. So, and I always do, I'd get a jury of my own peers, like, you know, bikers. So let them try me. So anyway, one night, I was there three or four years, got a house for $5,000 bucks, beautiful home, $57, $11 a month house payment. And next door was a little mother-in-law's house, and I rented that out for $57 a month. So we actually live there free in the house.

It was fully furnished. We got it everything. So I started selling Kirby's because I couldn't get a job anywhere. Vacuum cleaners. Vacuum cleaners, door to door. So I put my hair in a ponytail and wear one of them gangster brims and knock on the door. And so I was very successful doing that. Plus, I was, you know, hanging around with the brothers at night.

So one day I got a call. They said, we want to go coyot hunting. Come pick us. I said, well, you got to pick me up. So one of my sisters, not a sister, but I was, I brought Ray, Ray was there too. We were going to start another devil's disciple club, again, supervising, but not breaking the law myself. So Donnie Cockadol was sitting shotgun. Ruben Garza was to the left.

I was to the right. And he said, before we get, you know, I brought a 308 rifle and a coyote collar. And I could do it with my own voice. I didn't need the caller. But so they said, we need some pot. And I said, Jerry Oliver, this black guy's got some. And he was my friend. I wasn't raised to be prejudiced because my dad was in the Navy.

And so I told Fonda, my first wife, I'm going to go get some pot. She goes, I have a strange feeling. You shouldn't go. So I go, that's all right. So got the car, went over there. And I told Donnie, I said, I'll go in and get it. He's my friend. He goes, no, I'll go.

he was really drunk. So he went in all said, we heard a boom. And so Cheryl said, oh my God, he shot your brother. Get inside there. So I got out of the car. And here came Donnie running from the house. And he got in shotgun. And said, go, go, go. And he looked in his hand was completely full of blood. Well, I had sold this 18 inch, not illegal shotgun to this guy for 35 bucks and Donnie didn't put the bottom wood clip on so when he fired it it ripped his hand up so he said what happened he goes I barely hit him in the shoulder I go you what I pulled his hair back you know what said I barely hit him so I told them drive him to the hospital you know get stitches I'm a go over and see Jerry so I went over to see Jerry he was alive and he was like it was the

or Adele disciples. And the cop said, was it this, was it this guy? And he goes, no, it was his brothers. So I felt good, went home, told LaFonda, he'll be okay. He was alive. And so I was running a hot shot for oil wells working, plus selling Kirby's. I worked a lot because I was used to making a lot of money, right? So all of a sudden when my alarm went off, I heard four young people are being

sought for the shotgun slain massacre of Jerry Oliver last night in Tampa, Texas. So he died. He died. So Dwayne Chapman, they named the names. I tried to run out the back door and ran straight into a cop. So our bonds are 50 apiece. Then we seen a real judge. There were 5,000 apiece.

My grandpa drove from Denver. I was the last one to get out and posted my bond for 500 bucks. I sold my chopper, hired one of the best lawyers in, in that part of Texas. And I thought for sure, I'm not going to prison. There wasn't nobody ratting on anybody. What Donnie did is pulled the shotgun out. And when he did, Jerry's been in prison three times for pimping, pan, drink, selling dope.

And Jerry pulled it and hit him in the shoulder. And so, you know, that's what was said in court. So I thought, Donnie admitted it, you know. And he said some things like, you know, the wife was there. But if I'd had an automatic, I'd have got her too. And I was like, oh, my God, this dumbass. So the jury was out for a couple days. We all went back.

Did you all, you all went to trial together? Yes. It's because none of us were felons, right? And I was the new guy in town. The local Texans way back in the 70s, if you weren't born and raised there, you were caca, right? So, of course, I was the one year older than Donnie. So I was called for her stand up. I hear by saying she was five.

No. So then after we were found guilty, we came back for sentencing. So I blew up Pampa, blew up a bunch of stuff at the dump ground, a bunch of tractors, burned my own car down. So they called me up and said, listen, the sheriff, Roof Jordan said, listen, we know you did all that. So if you'll take five years, because I thought I was going to get 45 years, whoever heard, of five years for murder, right? He said, if you take a nickel five years, so I went to sentencing, he gave me five years,

and off I went to prison for murder. So during the trial, was it, did they make it clear that you were less culpable of the crime than the other guys? I mean, let's face it, if you're driving a, if you're driving a vehicle and you drive two guys into a bank and they rob the bank and one of them shoots a teller and kills them, you're all responsible. Correct. But your culpability is not the same as the other two guys.

So you can be charged with it, but typically you get less time. Well, that's what the prosecutor told the jury. These young kids, they call this, are, but we're sorry back in, you know, 1950-something. If you are sitting in a car, like you said, your friend steals a candy bar. And comes out and goes, I stole this. You want some? No way. I don't want that.

Right. But if you don't call the police on him, you're just as guilty. Now, the law's not the same today in Texas, but it was then. So, all of us were found guilty. So how old were you when you were sentenced? 23. 23? Okay.

So some time's going on by. Okay. So, yeah, I was going to say you're 45 years or something out. Yeah. I was going to say you're not exactly a kid at this time. but 23 is not well i was raised uh you know i couldn't shave i learned how to shave in prison i was a sheltered by my mother so uh uh the only thing i knew how to do eight years old the babysitter next door you know i don't want to say me but taught me about sex you know so all

the sudden then man sex was you know uh so i was like had one girlfriend her name is patty and that's you know i was looking for love right because i did i try to do every single thing impress my dad i try to be a fighter a boxer you know i wouldn't tell you get so mad at me when like somebody hit me first my dad say you see their eyes you strike first so uh you know making love and fighting was my freaking middle name um so What did you think when you got the five years? What went through your mind? I told Judge Granger McElhaney.

Because, again, my wife LaFonda, we had these pills and she gave it, and I was getting them in jail, sneaking them in. And I threw a, made a little hole, put a cord down there in this guy, little Earl, tied him on, and I brought him up. So I was ripped, right? Because I went to jail for three days before sentencing, turn myself in. he goes five years i said i could hold a snuff can over a bear's ass for five years judge mackleaney oh is that right mr chapman how about five years and a day

i thought five years was five years i didn't know seven months was a year all right systems but federal and so uh you know i figured i was getting 45 so a nickel wasn't nothing still it's a bad idea coca so the the day is so you didn't get the good time? What was it, five years and a day? Well, that means you don't get any good time. Good time. Or the seven, yeah, the seven months. So he just added. Yeah, I'd be out in 1981. All right. So you go to prison. Correct. What, what prison did you go to like a, you went to, you had to go to a pen, right? Because it was a murder charge. First, you go to a diagnostic unit. Right. And you take all these tests like this little, these nails, these little bitty things. And I was

doing it faster i go what's that for you had to call all the guards boss or by their name they wore a tag usually and they said that's for picking cotton so then all of a sudden i was praying and i heard something say answer every question as jesus would okay do you lock your doors at night no do you take the keys out of your car no but what that proves them you're not a burglar and you're not a car thief only because I was. But I was answering what Jesus, like Jesus did. So the first one, they put me on the burning ham, where Clyde Barrow and his brother escaped.

But I was starting to have a little problem, so I tried to buy this shank from this guy named Convict. And then they reclassified me and sent me to a medium security, and it was called Jester 2. Okay. So Clyde Beryl, you know who that is? From Bonnie and Clyde, they escaped prison. From the East Ham unit. Yeah. It's called the Burning Ham.

Yeah, like they were shot at, chased through the fields and everything. They had a car wait and they got in the car. They shot up the car, but they got away. That's, but so, so you were at that prison? Well, for a minute. Oh, okay, just for a little bit. Yeah. And then you moved. So what happened when you moved? They reclassed. So I went to Jester 2, and the first thing I did was out in the fields, pick a cotton and all that, right? Then we took an Aggie.

We got in a big line, and we all were like doing that. So one of the black guys hit me in the arm, it started bleeding. So the wagon with mules pulls up, right, put me on the back of the wagon. It was the water wagon and took me into this little spot where the warden was. First time I really met him. And he said, what happened? I go, Warden, I have no idea. I was working so damn hard, I just exploded.

Because you can't rat on the guy. Right. Am I what color he is, right? Right. And so he goes, I never heard of that. You exploded? And I said, yes, sir. I never worked so hard in my life.

So then he switched me to the garden squad. And I'm like, garden squad. And so I worked a couple days there. And then all the guards realized that, you know, even though I didn't have education, I was smarter than 90% of the prisoners that were there. So I became laundry bookkeeper. Every time a new bus pulled up with new guys, I'd go out and I'd say, what size are you, what's your name, what size boot you have, blah, blah, blah.

And then Edward Whitaker, who is Parnell Whitaker, the boxer's cousin, you know, me and him kind of hooked up. So he was there kind of to help me knock him out because a lot of guys wanted to wear tight shirts and all that. And they'd say small, so I'd get him a large. And then they go, what do you mean large? A couple of days later, I go, yeah, you're wearing a large shirt. You know, what, you're gay? You want to show your muscles off in here?

So me, Whitaker would, you know, usually Whitaker would beat him up. So. Okay. Why? Just because they're mouth off? Yes. Yes. So then a boss horn, big tall guy, so I kept seeing this guy coming in with all these starch

whites. He walked by me one time, and I smelled this aftershave and I said to the guard, what does that guy do? And they said, he's warden's barber, but he's leaving soon. Right. And how do I get that job? He said, apply. So I went to the library and bought this book from 33 or 37, rolled up toilet paper, tried to

read it at night how to cut hair. So, and I lied to the ward and said, I used to be a barber in the world, right? And so the guards barbershop, the ward's barbershop was outside the prison gate, a just or two. So, you know, they trust me. I went out there. And so the last guy just cut hair. So I started reading and studying and I, you know, there, there were, there was one chair that spun around all that. So I started putting egg on their face and banana. I read all this. And a hot towel and then the next door was the mail room that boss taught me how to use a straight edge and so the first time curly horton came in the warden he has curly hair so i fake so the next day he came he goes listen you're fired i'm going to put you in the hole he said you don't uh you don't

i was wonder why you didn't wet my hair and cut it and i go warden i was so scared you know you're the head guy can I try again yes so I wet his hair pulled it up his curly wet it cut it said look at there then blue dry it shook it how's that he goes that's much better you calm down a little bit now and but right at that point he didn't let me shave him and he said you're shaving all these guys i said yes sir so uh you know then me and the warden started getting tight like i said the mother's day prayer, you know, not what he said to say, but what I said to say. And I did some things inside the cells, you know, you know, I became warden's pet. Everybody, oh, there's a dog, warden's dog. Right. Yes. So then my rep- I'm sure they would have changed place since in a second.

Yes. You see a lot of jealousy in prison that I had never really experienced jealousy until I went to prison and really saw people that they just they just were so overwhelmingly envious they would talk shit about people and they would you know it's just it was it was so obvious that that you didn't really see in the real world well I I noticed you know that when a little girl got ran over or a lady got killed they'd all clap and laugh so that's the first time I went to movies because you got popcorn I didn't go again so I I thought, man, and then at night I would stay awake and hear these big guys, you know, mostly of the black tribes scream, Mama, Mama.

I thought, oh, my God, why am I in here, God? Why? What did I do? And then I said, you know I didn't kill that guy. And then not like God has ever spoken out loud to me, but I heard like, yeah, well, each brick that this prison's made out of is a crime you did and didn't get. on. Yeah. Yeah, that's the worst part about me going to prison is that I, you know, you went here in Florida. Yeah, it was, well, it was a federal, it was federal prison. It was

Coleman. Yes. A Coleman federal prison. It's about an hour north of Tampa. And is that, you know, the worst part about it is like you can't even complain because I was like, I, I, I, I, like, nobody sent me here. You know, they didn't, you're not in it. I'm not innocent. I'm not, I'm like, I absolutely should, I'm supposed to be here. So how much time did you do? 13 years. And how long you've been out? Oh, gosh.

Seven? Just coming up? Oh, really? No, seven. Right now, seven, we've been doing this six. It's seven years. What was you convicted of? Bank fraud and a variety of bank fraud-related charges.

Oh, you need to teach me that kind of stuff. Not really. It didn't work out for a while. Yeah, it always does. It does. Then you get caught. Well, that's what I was, you know, I was think to myself, the worst thing was that I got the very first time I committed fraud is that I got away with it. And it just made, and then the

next time I got away with it, and every time I got away with it, I got more and more emboldened to the point. Yeah, to the point where I thought I was just, I'm really good at this. What'd you do in prison for work? I wrote, well, I was a GED tutor. Oh. That was probably, that was a job I had probably the longest. You always have little, you know, when you change prisons, because there's a, there's two pins, a medium, a low. So I went from the medium to a low.

You know, I taught painting classes. I, I have, I also taught, uh, the residential real estate class, uh, but you do parole. Are you, uh, no, there's no, there was no parole. Oh, you just discharged. I did 85, my did the 85%. Wow. You know, and then I, I went to a halfway house for seven months. Right.

And then I was, I stayed in a rooming house. I ran a rooming house for over a year. And that's, I'd been out about a year when I started this podcast. Oh, right. And that was probably six years ago. So, and then I did it about six months before. I met Colby. And then we started interviewing people.

And I started that in my, I rented a one bed of apartment, started that in the living room. Right. And then we moved here about. And then you're married now with kids? Oh, yeah. I met my wife in the halfway house. Oh, really? She's convict, too?

Yeah. She did five years. She did five years. I think she did five years. I think she did like two or three years at the low at Coleman. Like obviously, I didn't know her. Right. But she would drive the lawnmowers around.

What does she do for living now? She works for, she got out and she got her, got certified as a marine mechanic. So she works with a management company that they manage yachts and she does maintenance and crews. And they all do lots of little things. And when did you get married? What day? I got married on February 12th of, what, four years ago? About four years ago, three years ago?

Let's say three years ago. Yeah, three and a half years ago, three and a half years ago. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, well, tell her I said hi. What's her name? I will.

She's, Jess. She's super upset. She's, listen, I can't tell you how upset she is. She's not here right now. Like, there are certain people that if we interviewed them, she's like, what? well, I'm going to be there. I'm going to come. I want to meet him.

I want to. But she took her whole family. They all went up to Pennsylvania because that's where her father's from. And so it's like her sister, her four kids, her dad, and they drove up there. They're driving right now, actually. So she's not able to come because she wanted to come here and get a picture with you. All right. Well, we're close.

So tell her. So how long at the. You know, at, so you did, how much time did you do of the five years? Two years. Okay. Okay. So, again, my barber shops outside. All right.

So, uh, there's this guy in his name was Bigfoot. And, you know, I'm the guy that put the clothes on like that. It was trip, uh, quadruple X and huge pants and size 18 or 19 brogans, the boots. Right. They had to special order them. So one day I was standing in line at Chow and he was like writing a letter, which you could do, right? And I said, Bigfoot, because I nickname him.

And he said, yeah, I said, what are you writing? He said, a letter to my mama. I go, let me look at it. And it went, ab go, but go, but do, lub, with the little heart. I go, what are you saying to her? That I love her. I go, did you go to school? The third grade, I said, the third grade?

He said, dog, there was a fairy. And we had to ride it every day across the river. And it was a nickel to the white man. And sometimes Mama just had a pot bottle, which was worth two cents. Right. So after third grade, I just quit. And I go, Bigfoot, you know how to spell was? And he went, W-E-Z. And I go, perfect.

Okay, what do you want to see? You dictate. And he goes, Dick what? And I go, you talk and I'll write. Right. So I wrote, I love you, Mama. I bet this friend of mine named Dog. to help me right.

And so his mom wrote back and he was like, dog, what do you want me to do for you? My mama said, she really loves you, blah, blah, blah. I go, listen, Bigfoot, anybody messes with me or Edward Whitaker. You put him in a bear hug until they can't breathe and then let him go. You got it. So one day, Ronnie Coleman and I worked in the, Ronnie was the shoe shine guy and I did the hair and the whatever the stuff. And so one day I looked over and the, excuse my language, it was called the shitter was,

I could see it. So all of a sudden boss Espinoza came out on his back, a cool Latino guy. And then another boss and out broke Bigfoot running down, you know, running. And I could hear the rifles. I call them 30-30s cocking. I could hear the guards screaming, freeze, freeze, right? And so I told Ronnie, they're going to kill. My friend, you're going to help me.

We're going to catch him. He said, I ain't going out there catch no guy. You're crazy. So I took out after him. Well, little did I know, this big lieutenant, white guy, was the meanest lieutenant in the system, was right behind me with a 38 pistol. And just as he got right, because he, you know, he didn't check it in yet. So just as he got ready to pull the trigger, I barely caught Bigfoot's pants and down he went.

I don't mean to say this, but I felt the ground boom like that, right? And so I looked to the right as I was on the ground and I stood up and I said, Bigfoot, man, what's the matter? I think some family member died. And when they die, they lock you up in the hole because you get rabbit. You want to run. Yeah. The cool, cool hand Luke.

Yes. Yes. And so this lieutenant said the magic words. he threw down these black handcuffs and said hook him up bounty hunter and i went what and i said l t lieutenant i can't hook him up so i had to stand in the sun all day against the fence so that night i went in and of course bigfoot was black right so here come the black gang and ronnie sitting right next to me we're finally integrated right last prison to be integrated right last prison to be integrated in America. And so the guy said, yeah, what are you doing running down in the N-word? And I said,

he's my friend. And then Ronnie said, listen, you know they called dog and him salt and pepper, him and Bigfoot and Edward Whitaker. Dog ain't ate like that. And he goes, why'd you run him down? I said, because they're going to kill him. Got it? You know, he's my friend. I don't, he was going to die. and they went, oh. So then all of a sudden the warden, warden's barber to the hall, so he takes me in the office. And he lets me see my mom. She comes with my aunt Iris and visits. So I was spoiled.

And so he said, listen, you're a good barber. You're doing really good in here. You had all those Bible sent to all these guys that never got mail in their life. He goes, I'm going to have to transfer you because the blah, blah, blah, blah is going to kill you. you ran down one of them. I said, Warden, I got it. He said, if you're alive in the morning, we won't transfer you. So all the cells all opened up, and in front of my cell was stamps, envelopes, rolling papers,

a little whatever that free tobacco is, crap, all that, right? So if you got something in your cell that's not on a commissary list, you're going the whole. Contraband. Contraband. So I put it all in a box, caught out to the warden. He brought me into his office again. He goes, what's that? And I showed him, and he looked in there.

He goes, they gave you a damn love offering. And I heard a love offering because I went to church. And he said, let me tell you something, young man, your bread is buttered. And I go, what does that mean? He goes, you'll see. So three or four weeks later, the head warden of all the prisons, warden jacka, because my reputation started spreading of a good barber. He came over and said, why are you in here?

You catch your wife and blah, blah, blah. Because just before the crime happened at 75, I think, just before that, if you caught your wife doing the wild thing, you could shoot him and get away with it, right? Right. So if you caught a cheating with another man. Yes, sir. So I told the warden's same story I told you.

So everything was done. five o'clock, I went back in. All of a sudden, here comes a goon squad. Chapman, you're under arrest. I said, for what? Lying to the head warden. So throw you in the hole. The next day I walk into the kangaroo court, that lieutenant, the war, both wardens, a sergeant,

somebody else, five guys sitting there. So I sit down. And warden jack says, you know that story? You told me about your murder? And I said, yes, sir. He said, you know, Judge Granger McElagney, gave you five years in a day? I said, yes, sir. You happy with your job?

And I said, yes, sir. And you happy being here? I go, well, I'm trying to make it the best of can, warden, sir. And he said, well, I called Roof Jordan. I happened to know his one-armed daddy who fought them oil field guys in the 50s. And I asked him, he told me the exact same story you did. And I said, the ward said, well, why do you sentence him to prison, not probation. And Roof Jordan said, that guy is going to be something someday. Now, this is the warden

telling me what he said. And we had to stop him. I tried to join the military. They said, we'll take women and children before we take you for Vietnam. Because that a bunch of, you know, arrest, not convictions. And Sheriff Roof Jordan told the warden, so we put him there. And so the warden said, I said, yes, sir. And I'm wondering in my mind, you know, why am, my mind is telling my mind, why are you in here then? And then he said, I can override any judge. I thought, oh, oh, he can give me more time. Right.

And he said, I know you got five years in a day. And I said, yes, sir. And he said, well, here's what I'm going to do. He said, I know that you call your birthday February 2nd Ground Dog Day. And you can't laugh. I was like, yes, sir. And he said, so I'm sorry that we can't let you out then. And I'm thinking, what the hell?

And he said, but February the 6th, the Lord, something of this here, a 19 and 79 son, you're the hell out of the penitentiary. And I want you to go be something someday because all the, all the, you don't call them guard, all the whatever COs, but it wasn't called that something like. I can't call him screws, but all the, you know, guards said you're a very nice guy. You're a tough guy. You have compassion. And so he said, you go be something.

So February the 6th, 1979, I got out. And, you know, I was dog disciple in prison, all that. And then I became dog the bounty hunter. So what did I do when I got out? Well, I couldn't go to Texas. They wouldn't let me back in Texas. to get out. So I had to go live with my mom and my dad. Okay. This is back in what, Colorado?

Colorado. So I get out. I get $300 check from this guy. So this preacher has a little trailer set up and he cashes your check for 20%. Well, I always told everybody, when I get out, I'm going to look up at that big clock and flip it the bird with both hands. So I did that. I got on my knees and flipped it to the bird. And I could hear moms and dads in the background going, who is that guy? And I could hear it. He's a dog.

He's a bounty hunter, right? And so I went into the store, bought a nice suit, went to the bus station, and about a $20. Mm-hmm. And then I bought a $30, $30.30. 30, pistol, because I was going to shoot the guy, was my best friend that I said then stole my wife. Okay. So I brought him to sell Kirby's, and I set the record on being in prison at diagnostic. Six days while I was there, I got served with divorce papers.

So I go up there. I have no ID. Well, I have a driver's license and my parole papers. So there's this machine that you walk through, right? Well, I'm used to the wand, but I'm like, oh, hell. I got this pistol in my pocket and my belt. I'm going straight back. I can't shoot it out here.

And so the guy says, you got any idea? I said, the only thing I got is my parole papers. And I handed it to him. It says murder out on parole. And I went through, it went beep. And I go, ah, hell, it's my belt. So I took my belt off. I said, listen, I got to catch a plane.

What was you in there for? I said, killing some son of a bitch that asked me a bunch of questions. Here's your belt, sir, you can go. So I got on the plane, the very back, right? Right. And so I sit next to this redhead guy. He goes, hey, how you doing? I said, I'm doing good.

He said, what's your name? I said, dog. So I told the waitress or whatever, I said, can I get a drink? What do you want, vodka and seven up? So she brings me the seven up with ice and this little bitty thing. And I go, hey, you think I'm stupid bitch? Just because I just got out of prison? That little thing I can do shit.

I need three more of them. Yes, sir. So I poured all three in there and started drinking. So I immediately, like in five minutes, started getting loopy, right? And so this guy goes, so you just told her you got out of prison? I said, yes, sir. Yes. And he goes, where are you going?

I said, you ever heard the song, Hey, Joe by Jimmy Hendrix? Hey, Joe, where you go with that gun in your hand? Going to shoot my woman, she'd mess around with another man. He goes, yeah. He goes, let me tell you something. What's your nickname? I said, dog. No, you're not.

You're going to be something someday. People all around the world are going to love you. And they're going to say, we love you, dog. And you're going to be able to say, I love you back. And I'm like, no way, man. I was convicted of murder. I'm going to be a bounty hunter. He goes, why?

I said, well, want a dead or alive is my favorite show. He was a bad guy, turned good guy, never killed no one. If they could smoke, he'd give him or talk to. I had no idea of this. So he said, well, where are you going now? I said, to live with my mom and dad, and my dad doesn't like me. He wish I'd had had no idea what an airplane. First plane, I think I'd really been on, drunk as heck.

And so it landed. So I walked right from the back to one of the first. So I got out real quick to see my mom and dad. So my mom hugged me, started crying. My dad grabbed me around the waist and hugged me and felt my 32 and pulled it out really slow. He goes, no, son. My mom said, no, I go, mom, I'm drunk. I know you smell like a brewery.

I said, well, I want you to meet this red-headed guy. So we waited, waited, waited, then the staff, you know, the pilot, all of us. something came out and I told us today to go you know that was serving me I go I'm sorry for calling you she goes that's all right and I said you know that red-headed guy that was sitting next to me she goes what red-headed guy you were alone now the Bible says and I'm a Bible guy now always have been beware you may be entertaining angels you and me are ex-cons we know we've seen angels, correct? Yes.

Yes. Yeah, so you're in the airport with your mom and dad, and you guys, your dad has just lifted the gun. Correct. There's nobody with you. And so do you end up going home or do you go home with them? Do you stay with them? So we drove home and I'm in the backseat and dad's driving.

And car lights were coming out and so I was screaming, Dad, Dad, they're going to hit us. They're going to hit us. Dad, dad. And then one thing I wanted was my Dober Run, and she tried to bite me. LaFonda gave me the dog, and that was it. And I lost all my furniture, the houses, all of that. You're starting over from scratch.

So you're starting over from scratch. And that's not the first time I've done that, started from scratch. So I go home with mom and dad. They lived upstairs. I lived downstairs. And even in prison, I did half of blue volume a day to keep my temper down and all that, right? So my mom, I got some blue viams from the doctor, told him I dropped them in the sink, got more, got more. I had such an infection in my neck.

It was sores, volume sores. And I kept it hid from my mom. So she called this little Latino guy named Herman Cadillo, who was a Kirby man. So he came downstairs and said, hey, I heard you, you're the best Kirby guy. You won the award for being the best in the nation back in the day in Texas. I said, yes. Let's go sell some curbies. I go, I can't do that.

I'm sorry. People are going to know I'm a convict, right? And let me stop there. So my mom and I went to like Hesteads to shop. And as I walked out, I looked at the security guy and I put my hands in there and said, go ahead. And he goes, what? And I said, do you want to pat me down? He goes, no.

So I got outside. My mom said, people don't know that you're a convict. Will you stop that? So I told Herman, they'll know that. So he actually carried me up the stairs, put me in the car, said, how long has it been since you've had a girl? I told him at the bus stop when I got out at the bus station in the bathroom. And he said, well, we'll find some sweeties, blah, blah, blah, right?

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bed in the world. Some exclusions apply. See site for details. We had like seven with us. I sold four. He sold three. He's a good sale. salesman. So I got back into that. So then I said, mom, you know, I want to be a bounty hunter. And so I went to the post office because, you know, I was okay then. And I got number one most wanted in Colorado. The postmaster general gave me these lists. So this before there were cell phones and all that. So I saw this Latino guy who went to West High School. Well, if I would have stayed in school, I would have went to West. So in the phone book, I looked for three or four different, finally got his mom. And I said, you know, I'm going to make this up. Is Joe there? No, this is so-and-so

peril? Oh, really? I said, yeah. You know, we went to school together at West. I said, I'm wanted. A detective, uh, Brisbane, no, anyway, a detective that I knew and everybody knew when after the wanted guys is looking for me. She said, oh, he's wanted to. I said, oh, my God. Do you know Becky? She said, oh, you mean the white Patty Becky? I go, yeah, the little Patty. And I had to have like a Mexican accent, and I can do it good, right?

And so she said, okay, do you have a pin? I said, yeah, 1525 Treheel Street. Okay, thanks. So I pull my truck up, knock on the door real loud, go back in the truck, and he comes out. I got this big water poster. I go, Odele, Vato. And he comes out. And he comes over, so I got this little cap gun that I ordered out of the comic books, right?

It's a loud cap, but it's a little tear gas gun. I put it to him. I'll blow your head off, get on the ground right now. And I thought, oh, shit, I don't have handcuffs. And so I took my belt off and wrapped it around. I put him in. I called my most pulled over. You know, I'll blow your head off.

Roll the window down so I could see. I said, Mom, I just caught this guy. Most wanted FBI says, 10 grand. and meet me at such, such, 19th and stout. So she pulled up, I had to take my mommy with me, right? And all I had was when my kids were young, we used these big old diaper pins, and that's all I had in the back seat.

So I pinned the warrant to his chest. We got out, went up to the 14th floor. This lady was there. I said, hi. She goes, can I help you all? And my mom started talking. She goes, well, I go, mom, I'll handle it. Hi, my name is dog.

I'm a bounty hunter. This guy's so-and-so, Garcia, and says 10 grand. Do you pay cash? What a bounty hunter? I go, yeah. Hold on. So she goes back in the back, like five minutes out, two men in black come out, said hi, and I go, hi.

So I told him I'm a bounty hunter. I didn't say I just got out of prison, right? Right. And my parole officer about died. And so I said, this is so-and-so says 10 grand. So they ask him, what's your name? And I said, hey, there's this picture you see. It looks exactly like him.

And so took him up there. They took custody of him and said, she'll take care of you, right? It was Friday night, Friday evening. And she goes, okay, Monday, come back and get a check. And I said, oh, no, no, no. No, I want paid. And my mom's like, he doesn't understand the system. He's been not around for a while, right?

And so we went home Monday. I went back up there with my mom. The lady wrote a check. Who did I write it to? AAA investigations, right? So AAA investigations, 10 grand, and boom. So then I already had a triple, I had a AAA investigation thing going. And, man, the cards, I mean, I got so kind.

I put them up in grocery stores and all that. And so all these rancher women, and I was, you know, 26 or something, and they were in their 40s, 50s. And this one was, you know, I'm a very married man. So I don't mean to say too much, but she was fine. And so she had me follow her husband, and he went to the A-frame conoco, which was a strip joint. And then I took pictures of them in the car. So I felt so bad for her. I said, so I have pictures.

Right. And, you know, I had to wait before they got developed. So I looked, oh, my God. So I started showing them to her. That son of a bitch and mother, F her. And I go, I am so sorry. Are you married? And I said, I was.

But, you know, my wife left me for my best friend. Yeah, well, let me tell you something. I know who that bitch is. she was out here cleaning our houses. And I go, okay, she goes, have you eaten anything? And I said, no, what do you got? She said, I'm cooking roast beef. Do you want something?

Because I have to go get a check or some kind of way. In other words, she didn't pay me off because I was done. Right. I approved it. Three grand. So I came back, right, knocked on the door. Come in, right? So she came out in an egg l'egete, right?

A white one. So we did the wild thing and then ate. And then so I told my mom. And my mom said, you're not doing that anymore. Got it? And then there was a couple others that when I told them, or they gave it to me, they were like, I think they just wanted to get, you know, laid by a PI or something, right? And so anyway, so then I got that.

So then the FBI called me up and said, hey, Keith R. Paul said, meet me at some restaurant. He said, what are you doing? I heard you got the top 10 FBI stuff. You interviewed this Mexican girl. She called us one to give us a bunch of kilos for information. You told her we do. I go, well, good, right? He goes, oh, my God.

He goes, so I explained Abraham Lincoln made the bill. We'll talk about that later, how you're allowed to do it. Okay. And so the Fed said, do you know, bondsmen? I go, of course. He goes, well, you need to go to a bondsman. I know this one named George Lucero. Here's my card.

Show it to him. So I walk in, George goes high. I said, how many jumps you got? And George was a pretty good bounty hunter, too. And he had like 40. And so I said, all right. So I started nailing them. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, right?

Some I knew, some I didn't know. I had to arrest my best friend. You know, I'd never arrested a family member, but I arrested a lot of daddies and a lot of mamas, a lot of, you know, I was the greatest. So then I meet because of all the FBI, This guy named Tony Robbins. Some guy, I did some, oh, so Rick Jones was wanted.

I knew him, right? He was a sidewalk commando, hung around with bikers but never had a chopper. Crazy robber. You know, he's a good, good gangster, say. He was a loner. So he had a warrant. I had a warrant on him, too, but the feds had a warrant. So I got a location pulled up.

There's G.I. Joe, and behind their cars. And I hear pop, pop, right? That's two shots. And they go, I had a megaphone that I bought at Dave Cook Sporting store. And I go, Jones, because I don't know who these guys. I know they're cops, but I take over, you know, not still today, but back then I took right over. I stood up, said, Jones, this dog, what are you doing, man? And the cop goes, you need to get down.

We're with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. I go, just be cool, gee, man. I know this guy. So I tell him, I'm coming in the door right now. No, don't. I said, I'm coming. And pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, one, two, three, four, five, six. Done.

He's out of bullets, right? Right. So I keep walking up and I knock on the door. He's behind a couch. And he looks up like that, you know, with his pistol, I go, I'll tell you right now, brother. You got Vaseline with you? No, dog, I said, because it's going up your butt. That gun, drop it.

Come out with me right now. I'll cuff you to me. It's how we were in prison. and we'll go out there. So I cuffed him. The feds came, undid the cuffs. So then this Fed again called me and said, or got a hold of me and said, have you ever heard of a guy named Tony Robbins? So they got a hold of me, Tony wanted to bring me to Texas.

Parole officer said yes. And I had arrested about 12 or 1,300 by then, right, in Denver, some of the top ones in Colorado. And so then I became a speaker. So as I needed cigarettes and I'm walking across the street, jaywalking, and this Asian Highway Patrol lady motions be over. And I'm like, oh, shit. I knew I didn't want to go to Texas. I told my mom no, but Tony was going to pay us some money. My mom knew as a good speaker.

So I said, yes, ma'am. You have ID? Yes. Oh, Texas ID? Yes, ma'am. So she looked at it. And I was thinking, if she runs my name, I'm screwed. you know here in the state of Austin, Texas, you're not allowed to Jaywalk?

I go, ma'am, I know cigarettes will kill you, but there was nobody coming and I need a cigarette. Well, at least you're honest. Here's your driver's life back. Oh, my God. Right. So, Tony Robbins asked me all these questions, does an interview. I think he set me up, right? And so he said, what does dog, after four and a half hour interview?

He says, what would you like that people don't do? I said, no one ever tells me thank you, but the victims, blah, blah, blah. He goes, every, there's like thousands of people there. Everybody here, dog's going to come down there. It's like a church. You walk down and give dog a hug. So I was completely soaking wet with sweat and tears, right? Everybody love you, dog, love you, dog, love you dog.

And this little Asian lady in street clothes walked up. She goes, she hugged me. She goes, I love you. And I go, are you the Highway Patrol lady? Yes. And I knew your story. And God told me to come listen to you tonight. And let me tell you something, young man, you could be one of the greatest bounty hunters ever in the world.

And that's what Tony Roberts told me, listen, whatever you got to do, convict, you be the best at it. You want to be the best dad, lover, robber, that didn't work. I mean, the robbing. Now, you want to be the best bounty hunter in the world? Start saying it out loud. Go after everybody that's wanted, even if you don't get paid. And do like you do. I'm going to tell you right now, dog, that backseat ride thing is strictly from God.

Can I ask a question? Tony Robbins, which Tony, you mean the Tony Robbins? Is there more than one of them? Okay. Oh, you keep saying it. Like, you say it like, it's like, I didn't know who he was. Like, he was just a normal person. That's, yeah.

Well, I've known him 40 years. Oh, I didn't realize it was that type, because it is a common name, right? Tony Robbins. Anthony Robbins. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. But when you said you came down there to speak, I was like, oh, it's got to be, it's got to be, yeah, Tony Robbins.

Okay. But he's the one that I could, because then and then, and I'll stop here. after when I so I was speaking at a couple gigs right the firewalk I'd love it all that and then he made me go to the one in Hawaii with Martin Sheen and all them so I told Martin Sheen my story he goes you need a TV show and then one of the Osburns were there and they said we want you on our show so it's three times there I have had a dream ever since I was young about being on television I was on the Fred and Face show when I was six years old And I was the only one that waved at the camera to my mom. So I knew for sure that if I did things right, I could be the greatest bounty hunter in the entire world. I've had right now way over 10,000 captures in a 46-year career and 85 to 90 percent felons. And I've only beat up a guy that was making love to his dead wife and a guy. And I told the judge, the judge took me in chambers and said, did you beat that stuff?

And I said, your honor, if I say yes, am I in trouble? He goes, no, but if you say, no, you are. And I go, I've whooped him so hard. He said, listen, I'm going to put you in jail for 24 hours. I said, yes, sir, we're going to put you in the same cell. And I said, Judge Crewe. And I said, yes, sir, judge. He goes, I wish I could.

Good job. So how did you get the, the, the, the, the, the, series. You just get a phone call? That's for part two. Okay. Well, and let me tell you this one. Here's a cliffhanger.

Okay. So I am the only citizen, and I'm a citizen, born and raised, 100% purebed American, half Apache, and half Dutch, Chiracawa Apache. Ever, ever, ever, that has arrested a number one most wanted on the FBI list and a number one one most wanted on the marshals list and all around the world number one most wanted 87 counts around the greatest bounty i could have ever got took me six months to catch him his name is andrew stewart luster and part two will tell you and he's getting out this october 13th when i arrested him He jumped bail in absentia.

They have in California where if you jumped on, they sentenced you. They gave him 150 years. He'll have done 21 years October 13th. Please stay tuned for Part 2. I have a question. Sorry. Are you still a felon? Why?

I'm just wondering about the gun. Oh, yeah. This is, don't be scared. Okay. I won't hurt that. So I'm glad that I do not carry a real gun because I've been stab shot all that. I killed through four people. But this is the most non-lethal, painful.

You can't breathe. Kistold. It's brand new. They just made them. What is it? It is a burn, B-Y-R-N-A-S-D. And it is cool as everything. And it shoots.

What does it shoot? Yeah. Those balls like that. And you know when you get hit with 38, you see on TV, the cop vest. Yeah. Big old bruise, that's what it does. But it, yeah. But it's a felon you can carry it.

Yes. Anybody can. You could get a gun too, federal crime. As long as Trump just made it, as long as you don't have a crime of violence like I do, you can get a gun permit. Really? Yes. I did not.

I here's what I knew that a few but maybe six months ago I was getting people you know I've got lots of people that have my cell number so they're shooting me little videos of people talking about how that was going to be a thing no it is a thing I'm not sure if you have to be 10 years from the date you get off parole or if you get it out you get it the next day okay but yeah but it's good but you know I'm an ex-con And so are you. Okay, so don't ever use lead. Okay.

You can buy rubber or wood. Now, I suggest the rubber bullets, they will drop them. And I mean, this is not as good as that. But a rubber bullet 38, 45, 44, you use that. Because if you kill, just like me as a bounty hunter, if I kill someone, I'm going jail first. Yeah, it's a problem. And then whoever you kill is how, much a problem you have. This is America. You know, money talks in the criminals,

plural justice system. You know that. You've got big bucks and all that. You get out. You don't. You're certain nationality. You're there forever for the most stupid-ass crimes there is. So. Well, yeah, definitely. We need a sponsor. We need a sponsor that does like a non-lethal handgun. Oh. That looks, listen, that looks. Listen, that looks. legit. When you walked in, I thought, oh, he must have gotten, like, a pardon. I figured a state pardon. Correct. I would think you would be perfect for a state party, too. It's happening. Okay, I was going to say, because you're in a great situation to get one. Well, yeah, because Luster's getting out October 13th of this year. When Kamala, and I hate to be political, okay,

when Kamala Harris was Attorney General in California, she made it a law where if you, someone over 18, Give them to open. Right. It's a misdemeanor. So they filed motions, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Andrew Luster went from 150 to 110 to 50 and now 21. So they've grandfathered him in on that old law and he's free as a bird. So yes.

Now, again, would I use rubber bullets on him? Absolutely. No, absolutely. But, you know, who do you think he hates when he's? he gets out. I'll tell you the story, the real story of him. Okay. He's, and he's, let me just say this. Max Factor, you're too, you're too young, but it was a huge. I remember Max Factor. We're talking about I'm 57 years old. Okay. Well, you look, baby face. Well, thank you. You made it in prison, though, right? So, I don't mean to say that,

but you probably have a cute butt. So in the federal joint. Oh, my God. Jesus. And the federal joint, it's a little different. Wow. Well, in the state joint, you know, I was threatened. I told me you're going to get the dying quiver, let's wrong. And they realized that it was murder, so I made it through it. I had a lot of guys wanting to buy me tennis shoes. Oh, yeah. Well, it's prison.

You know what I mean? So anyway, where were we before we got? Max factor. Max factor. So he's inheriting millions of dollars. And when he got convicted, he was after he had seven names on the list. Mine wasn't there. But who do you think is the top list now?

his mom's selling her house for 40 million in Malibu I've been inside it now she's almost ready to pass away uh I think she's waiting long enough for him to get out she's been sick for 10 or 12 years what did this guy do you 87 counts he gave him GHB okay and then filmed it while they're completely out like a light and he's a necrophiliac and a bunch of women and four or five came across. But he filmed all of it. Whoops. He filmed all of his rapes, the dummy.

What do you think mentally is wrong? Like, what goes wrong? What mentally went wrong with this guy during his developmental years that made him this nut job? You're right, because most people that are nutty have been, you know, molasses or something back when they were children. Right. But you know that you've been in prison. you saw guys that would kill your mother and eater.

That's demonic possession, right? Right? Sure. What is it? Some guy just decides, oh, I'm going to walk into McDonald's and shoot 40 people. Yeah, there's something wrong. Because something told him to do it, the demon. So that's what he's got.

The demon, I don't know what it would be called. How could you make love to a woman without her being conscious? And I won't go into moan and groaning and the word. they say, how can you do that? It's, it's, and one of his victims, I love her, she is so freaked out that he's getting out and she's getting a shotgun. So, you know, but I'll tell you later in part two, the story about him. And I, and we stopped right when I started bounty hunting.

And so I'll go into how the show, how everyone helped me get the show, how it beat all records, how we're now working up to, you know, Francie told me, what do you want to do? I said, Bounty Hunt. And I hadn't done it since 219. And then we met Daniel and Second Chance Bell Bonds, one of the greatest family, his family, and he's got his right-hand man as Jesse. I mean, they are truly honest, same way I am. He named, Daniel named his company Second Chance, because he believes in that. Daniel had two, three, and 50, just like you and I did. So there's not too many bondsmen.

You know, they're not rich anymore, but there's not too many that have a heart. You know, we'll sit with people or, you know, have a heart after we capture the guys, laugh with them, talk to them, try to talk about it, you know, being, you know, furthering their life of crime. I've never met a bail bondsman that done that. So we're hooked up now and, you know, criminals, beware. I am literally the predator's predator. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching.

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