Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - The Worst Dealer In America | Crime Stories Gone Wrong

Episode Date: June 2, 2023

The Worst Dealer In America | Crime Stories Gone Wrong

try going to town to sneak out of your house to go to the grocery store and running into the judge at Kroger's. So about 30 minutes go by and I call him, he doesn't answer. And then about another 10 minutes go by. And he calls me back and he's like, hey man, I wouldn't park down there at that gas station where you met me. He's like a lot of cops have been driving by there lately and I thought, that's something weird thing to say. You know what I mean? Like, why would you say that? So once they'd heard that, they then wanted me to all. also get that guy on in wire.

I didn't get a chance to tell you about the Mexican girl that I flew here from Mexico that I had never met in person before. Why did you fly her in? That's a whole story, bro. You will hear it? Yeah. Okay. And yes, I am loyal to that guy that I wore a wire. Like...

Cox and I am here with Jacks he is a he is a recovering addict and former felon and so so this is a we've been talking on the phone and texting and he told me a story and I thought it was pretty interesting so I asked him if he'd come on the program so check this out hey guys how you doing all right so I mean I know we heard it's funny because when we talked you we talked and you were like i don't know if it's you know i don't know how much you know i can talk about it and how much of a story it was and then like 45 minutes later yeah well if somebody who doesn't have a story you talk for 45 minutes about the story yeah told me portions of it so yeah yeah

but yeah i mean so tell talk to me tell me about like where were you born um yeah sure um so basically i i i'm from oh i you know uh i was born in Ohio. I've been here my whole life. I mean, I've been lucky and gotten to travel around, but I was born here. So I was born just, you know, in 1980. So 80s kid, you know what I mean? I'm 42 now. So, you know, my parents, I think had been married like 10 years when they had me. And then, you know, they got divorced. When I was five years old, which was a good thing. My dad Dad was a monster, you know, my real father, unfortunately. And so he was, you know, cheating on my mother behind her back.

He was a union pipe fitter. And so he traveled a lot for work, stuff like that. And so he was away in South Carolina working and meant this other woman who would become my stepmother and was cheating on my mom with her when he was down there. And so, you know, he basically came back and it's kind of fitting. that's all I remember from my childhood or at least that portion of it was the night that he left because I was there for all of it for the screaming and the you know the whole kind of thing and uh I was found it really weird I knew at five years old like what the word divorced meant

because I heard my father say that to my mother and like I knew what it meant it was kind of weird because you're five you know what I mean um so and then yeah literally he um that happened and then I woke up the next morning and he was gone and so he He never really wanted much to do with me. I was lucky if I saw him once a year, you know, after they got a divorce. And I'm an only child, so my father married the woman he was cheating with, and she didn't have any kids. They didn't have any kids together.

And then, you know, my mother got remarried a couple years later to my now stepfather. And I got a stepbrother and two stepsisters out of it, But my mom and my stepdad didn't have any kids together either. So I'm like a legitimate child. Right. Yeah. So after my dad left, he said didn't want much to do with me,

didn't seem that often, didn't really pay child support. Like my mom showed me records and like proof and stuff. She wasn't just like trying to bash my dad. Like he was not the greatest guy. He had his own fucking issues. He drank. Alcoholism runs of my family horrible.

so bad to the point that my mother's father actually killed himself because of it, hung himself, which is a wild story in itself, like how it happened. He, obviously, way before I was born, but he was in World War II and came home and obviously had a bunch of issues, my mother's father, my grandfather, and so drank a lot. and got picked up one night here in town by the police and for like drunken disorderly or something like that. And they put him in the holding cell. And apparently it was cold.

And so he asked if he could have his coat, like his, he had like a trench coat or something. And he took the belt off the coat and hung himself in the cell. Okay. Yeah. So that's my mother's father. Yeah. So alcoholism runs on both sides.

On my mother's side and my father's side, like horrible. You know, my last name is German and Welsh, so we got German in us. So there's plenty of drinkers in my family. They like beer. But I didn't go that route. I went the more chemical route. You know what I mean? Yeah.

I was never big on beer. So anyway, my mom got remarried when I was seven to my stepfather, who, um, honestly, I really don't have that much in common with or get along with either, but he's good to my mother and that's all I care about. Right. Um, so growing up, You know, I was very lucky. Come from a upper middle class home.

My mother, especially after my father left, a great woman, very smart, worked four jobs to take care of her and I before she met my stepfather. And like people hear that and they go four jobs like, what the fuck? And I'm like, yeah, she was an insurance agent for 45 years until she retired.

She was the clerk treasurer at the local library and she did books and payroll for two separate laundromats. so like my mom worked their ass all right to take care of us and uh once my stepfather came in the picture like said i all of a sudden had a stepbrother and two step sisters they were my sisters were older so they didn't live with us but i did all of a sudden have a brother that lived with us now and now i'm growing up with a sibling in the house which i wasn't used to before then how old's your brother was your brother he's uh he's a year older than me so he's uh i'll be 43 this year

He's 44 right now. Yeah. So he's a year old. He graduated in 1998. I graduated in 99. We both went to the same high school. So she married him and then, you know, things started to really get better after that.

Like my stepfather had a really successful contracting business, very smart guy. But a lot of the, I live in a small town. So a lot of the houses and things around here, he actually built different businesses, things like that. and um so you have growing up uh we were very lucky had my parents made good money we traveled you know anything you would probably want it to be from a childhood standpoint good Christmases things like that you know what I mean right yeah yeah so um which makes no sense for the path

that I chose because I didn't belong in that fucking world at all I was a horrible drug beler which we'll get to I was terrible with drug beer I just wanted to party like I was terrible at it. So, you know, growing up, and then pretty much just like anybody else's life, man, going to school, going to high school. Like I said, my stepbrother and I now, I had a brother who stuck up for me. I got picked a lot in school. I was a very heavy set kid when I was younger. I was a fat kid. And I got fucked with a lot. I got picked on a lot. And so when I got to high school, I started to thin out a little bit, but he, um, He was good about that.

He always made sure he got to mess with me and shit. He really kind of watching my back, even though he wasn't my real brother. So I was always thankful for that. And then, so I graduated in 99. And about a year and a half, I think it was almost two years after I graduated. I had kind of basically took a year off. And I started to go to college in Nelsonville, Ohio, the place called Hawking.

It's like a technical type school. It's close to OU University, which is, you know, Ohio University, not to be confused with OSU. But I didn't really have the grades to get into OU. You know what I mean? I was in high school, I had to take a lot of special classes and stuff. I've learned disabilities and shit. I'm really hyper. I've got ADD and all that kind of shit.

Like I was on meds from a very young age. So I decided to try to go to college And so I'd been in school really only for about a semester And got diagnosed with cancer And so I'm only 20 years old You know what I mean? Right, I forgot about that Yeah

And so it was really crazy how it happened I went to my family doctor For something just completely unrelated Just like a normal doctor's appointment And I had this mole on the inside of my right leg and it'd been there, you know, forever. And just that day, he happened to say, you know, I don't like the look of that. He's like, I want to cut that off.

And I'm like, all right. And so he numbs my leg and all of a sudden I'm awake when he doesn't. And he cuts around it and pulls the mole off. And like, I saw the look on his face when he did it. Like, when he pulled the mole off of my leg, like it had all these tentacles and stuff growing, like off of it, like connected to everything in my leg. Right. And, of course, they won't tell you shit when they do that.

they've got a biopsy it, you know what I mean? Right. So about a week and a half later, I was, I'll never forget, I was in the car with my mom. Now, this is like early 2000 still, so we had actual car phones for all you kids out there. We had phones that had cords on them in the fucking car, if you can imagine. Yeah, shopping. And I was in the car with my mom, and the phone rang. And it was my doctor.

And he said, look, we've taken care of everything on our ends. You need to get to OSU hospital immediately. to get into surgery, you know, you have cancer and it's spreading at an aggressive rate. And so within a few hours, I was in the hospital in Columbus at OSU, which is one of the best cancer hospitals in the country, actually. And I had to have an epidural like a pregnant woman, like where they stick the big thing in your back and numb you from the waist down and like basically took a huge, like, chunk out of the inside of my right leg from the knee

down like when the surgery was done it looked like a shark took a half moon bite out of the inside of my leg right and that's how much they had to cut out to try to get all of the cancer and then it had also spread to like the lymph nodes in my right leg so they had to remove the ones out of my groin and like all that shit it was brutal i was 20 years old scary you know what right yeah and um yeah it uh so you know i had to have all that done and like said it was wild man and um is you have forced chemo yeah i did i did a couple rounds of that just as like a to to make sure you know that they did got everything they said that the margins were really good when they cut it out they were pretty positive but they wanted to just make sure because i was so young

you know what i mean to have that basically they told me this mole the growth rate had had accelerated 20 years in the course of three months that's how much it had spread that's how fast, malignant melanomas grow, which is what kind of cancer it was if I didn't mention it was malignant. No, whatever. And so got very lucky, though, I beat it, made it over the five-year hump, you know, but that is what really started my downfall into just everything addiction and whatever. You know, if you remember at the time, you know, 2000, 2001, there was no such thing as like a pill epidemic. There was no anything like that, man. Doctors

were just handing that shit out like tic-tacks. You know, you could go to an emergency room and get 20 percocet. Like, I mean, just as easy as tripping and falling off the fucking curb. Like, it was just, you know what I mean? And so, because of the cancer and the surgery, they were

prescribing me. I was getting oxycodone. I was getting percocet for like breakthrough pain. I was getting you know, volume to help me sleep. It was ridiculous. and so I'd never been on any medication like that before I'd never you know up until this point the most I'd ever done is smoke a journey you know what I mean just with like some friends in high school right yeah I understand yeah so all of a sudden I'm on all this medication and like

I'm getting hammered basically every day like fucked up you know what I mean and so after the surgery I'd started working at a telemarketing place and this plate dude i mean you couldn't have put a drug an addict in a worse in fucking environment like you know it just was that's all the kind of people that worked there like everybody was railing percissettes in the bathroom and like it was just madness and talking on the phone right but you still were being prescribed the medication yes at that point yeah at that point i was still being prescribed the meds but then just working there of course that's what people found out I was on the meds and people were like well let me buy a couple of those off of you and I'm like all right you know I mean I'm not going to turn down 20 bucks or whatever it is and so that started you know that whole thing now as I'm working there at this telemarketing place I'm on the meds and this new guy gets hired and I won't say his last name but his name was Josh and him and I kind of became really fast friends and um you know back then

and I was still smoking weed as well. You know, I was taking these prescription pills. And so, you know, Josh and I started hanging out, and he started asking me, you know, can you get any weed, you know, stuff like that. And I'm like, yeah. And I was a guy that worked there that, you know, I could get killer weed from, you know, as much as I wanted, really. And so I started getting this guy, Josh weed.

Well, come to find out, he was an undercover cop. And so. You know, one night, I was, I left work, and I got a phone call from him, and he's like, hey, you know, I'm a town such and such, you know, meet me here. And when I pulled up, I got sworn by police, you know, and I had like, I think a quarter ounce of weed on me or something, but I had, that he had been buying this weed for me. And even, I was getting it for him, even though I wasn't, I guess you would say the distributor or whatever. I had to go to someone else to get it. But, so they called me up to the police station, man, and, you know, basically. I'm 21 at this point and read me to fucking riot acts

scared the shit out of me like do this or you're going to jail you know that whole thing and so I did man so they asked me to wire up and fucking and get this they wanted the guy that was you know giving me the weed

and once they found out who that was they realized that this is the guy at the this is the guy that one of the guys that works at the telemarketing place. He had been, he had been placed there on purpose as an undercover cop because they had heard locally

how much drug dealing and shit was going on there. Okay, now, okay, I understand yeah, okay, yeah. So he got a job there because they put him there. Yeah, sorry if I didn't specify that. So, they have me, you know, I agree to it because I don't want to go to jail. I'm 20 fucking years old at this point. I'm still scared, like,

don't let my mom find out, you know what I mean? Like, you're a kid, you're a fucking kid. Like you're like, don't tell my parents, you know what I mean? Like, yeah. So I do what they want. But in the process of that, they found out that the guy that I was getting weed from, his father-in-law was actually one of the biggest drug dealers in our county. And that's who the kid that I was getting a weed from,

that's who he was getting it from, was his father. And so once they heard that, they then wanted me to also get that guy. on fucking wire and I'd never even meant this man you know what I mean like I have no idea yeah how do you even get to that guy right so that I have to

basically start hanging out with the guy that I got the weed from be made friends with him to the point where I was buying enough where he finally took me straight to the fucking source and then I was able to go there a couple times and then

yeah and then they ended up go ahead you told me like the equipment that they gave you oh god oh god dude so it wasn't like a small little little thing you stopped listen

dude for you kids out there that watch the show The Wire on HBO or anything like that man listen this is early 2000 this is fucking analog technology okay this thing I'd hit you not was the size of this cigarette pack right

here okay like it was the size in this. And basically, that's what it was. It was a soft pack of Marlboro light cigarettes, 100s. And they had pulled all the cigarettes out of the pack, stuck this thing

in, and pushed it off to the side, and then filled the pack back up with cigarettes. And, like, that was it. So then they would have a truck, you know, like, which was so cliche, man, like any movie you've ever seen. It was like an old fucking Chevy panel van that they worked out of.

you know me and uh if you can picture the guys inside with the microphone yes yeah and it was real oh yeah they check levels and all that shit dude they it was so stupid and um so you know you had to have this cigarette pack on you and i'll never forget one time one of the guys because i smoke obviously but i didn't have my own cigarettes i'd left him in the car or something and i went in to get some weed and the guy asked me for a cigarette I couldn't imagine how fucking stale and old these Marlboro lights were. And I remember pulling this pack out and being like, oh, God, please don't let this guy see inside this fucking pack.

And, like, gave him one of these. And he smoked it. And he never said a word. I thought that could not have fucking tasted good, though. Like, how old is this Marlboro? You know what I mean? Like, it was dust at that point. He just, you know.

So I did everything I was supposed to do. And, you know, thank you. And hopefully, Josh and I actually stayed really good friends. And because of him, he actually really looked out for me and made sure that, like, I never had to go to court. I never had to testify anything like that. Like, because, again, like, he really kind of went to bat for me with the higher-ups in the police department and shit like that. And so they basically had got all the information they needed. I had this guy on wire.

And they, yeah, they sent the fucking team out and kicked this fucking guy. doors in and found all kinds of shit guns all kinds of shit it was a big fucking deal yeah what and that could all that he went away yeah they absolutely yeah he fucking wouldn't yeah like how what do you went away like five years or guy that i don't know how many years he got but i remember them because i tried at that point all i wanted to do is forget about it like i did what i was supposed to do i was a fucking chin bro like i don't want to know any more about it you know what i mean keep me out of and uh but i rid of them he must have pled guilty like he didn't go to trial

you didn't have to testify no no he yeah he played he whatever they uh offer they gave him or whatever he pleaded he pled out so whatever that was um i don't know you know they mentioned that he definitely went away i had no idea how many years it was so okay yeah so what um so then you you you cleaned your life up you you went on you you went you went to well You got it you you start you struck you went straight you've been straight everything's good you got kids you're the wife your you're you're living in a great health and everything's good yeah no no no but no not even close man that was a close call you got out of it yeah yeah obviously said hey this is this is this is this is a catalyst for me

to make a change in my life sure yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it sounds good Sounds really good. You know, and you think, yeah, like, you should learn your fucking lesson. Instead, you thought, you thought. Yeah, we thought. Yeah, now I see how this shit works. Now I see what these fuckers do to catch people. Right.

Okay. I'm going to be able to. Yeah. I'm going to do it right. Yeah. And I won't get caught. Exactly. And that didn't work out either, as we'll hear about.

But, so I'm on all these pain pills. I'm still working at Millie. Millennium Teleservices. And like I said, again, small town, you know, very small group of people in this telemarketing office. It wasn't long after that until a word kind of spread. People were doing whispers, thought that I was the one that did it. You know, that, you know, it took in this guy's father down, whatever.

So I was fired not long after that. They said... Anybody ever mentioned it to you? No. I mean, people would say, like, I've heard in conversations like, oh, I heard that you snitched, you know, whatever. but no one did you give in the hall

yeah oh yeah I'm like I'm like you got me on tape bro and I'm like did you see a fucking discovery packet you got me on tape well no

I'm like well then I don't know what's like you're talking about yeah straight up until you show me a piece paperwork with my name on it

you can get fucked and they didn't have they didn't yeah they didn't yeah they didn't have that shit so uh

um so they fired me they claimed that it was because I was deviating from the script, which is like an FTC violation when you're trying to sell shit over the phone. If you don't read exactly the script, you know, whatever, they can get fine for that ship.

So they said that I had done deviated from the script. That was their excuse, but we all knew what the reason was. So, let's see, that would have been like 2001 or whatever. At this point, I'm still trying to go to college. I'm not really feeling,

that I you know I like I said I'm not it's hard for me to stay interested in anything if I get bored with something like I'm done and all I wanted to do was go down there and party like that you know I'm 20 years old man like I'm not built for school just not right and so you know I I tried you know like said best they could and as I was down there doing that the pills started to more and more get worse you know taking more and more than I was prescribed that kind of thing. And then one day I went to a checkup in Columbus from them to look at my surgery

scar and all that kind of stuff. And they the doctor hates me, you know, this is back when they still gave you paper prescriptions. They just didn't digitally call the shit into the pharmacy. You know, they handed you a script. And I remember looking at it. It was for ibuprofen and I'm like,

what's this? And he's like, they didn't step me down. There was no taper down fucking process. None of that shit. You know what I mean? like some of these doctors back then should be fucking strung up and shot for the amount of addicts that they created because there was no no no thought into that you know it was just like oh you've been on these this long we don't think you need them anymore here's to my B profile right and I'll never forget the next day waking up man and being so fucking sick like a sick that never felt I had no idea what it was I'd never been addicted to anything didn't know what I was feeling sick throwing up finally figured out that it was was because I was out of medication. And so that started, you know, the whole thing where I started doctor shopping and I started going to every local, you know, emergency room around here and saying, like, oh, I just had cancer

surgery. Look at my leg, you know, like, let me get a script, you know, or whatever. And like, it worked for a really long time. You know. And then as I'm doing that, I'm still kind of selling some of them on the side. and I'm no longer working at, you know, millennium. I'm just kind of not working anywhere at all. And, you know, obviously, later on I had a couple other jobs and stuff,

but I've basically been fired from every job I've ever had, like legit, fired from every job I've ever had. And I've worked, I feel like, you know, the movie Wayne's World where he's like, I've had plenty of Joe jobs, nothing I'd call a career. You know what I mean? He's like, I have. He's like, I have an extensive collection of name tags and hairnets. You know, like, that was me, dude.

I had plenty of fucking Joe John. Everywhere from working at, you know, the big freight company forward air to fucking McDonald's, dude. And from being that to a bartender at Applebee's, I've done it. I've done everything. Didn't work out. Just nobody now. Right. So at this point, you know, I happen to run into a friend of mine.

that I'd grown up with and kind of lost touch with. His name was Jared. And, you know, at this point, I'm also still kind of talking to Josh, the cop that got, you know, that got me at the telemarketing place. But I'm not doing any work for them, nothing like that. I mean, him and I actually just became friends. So I run into this guy, Jared, and he is, you know, doing a little bit of cocaine here and there. and uh i you know at that point i'd never really done coke you know that was the worst in sake of my life ever doing it because i live my whole life as in full tilt or nothing at all

like i don't believe in gray area it's black or it's white you know what i mean so right anything i get my hands on i take it to the fucking nth degree cocaine was a bad idea so first time i never forget the first time i did like a line out of like a fifty dollar bag i was like Oh, so this is what God looks like. I was like, okay, okay, I believe, amen, let's go, you know. And so I started hanging out with this guy, Jared, and doing, you know, back then I didn't have a lot of money, so we're just buying a little bit here and there, you know, nothing to write home the mom about. And one night, we're hanging out with this girl that I knew, named Tiffany. And I was also friends with her boyfriend.

who will become relevant later. His name was Eric. He's actually dead now. But Eric and Tiffany both had to connect in the city in Columbus like to get real coat. Not like bullshit, local fucking whatever, like

the real deal, Holyfield, like bricks, you know what I mean? Of raw, whatever. Like, it was ridiculous. And I used to drive, this girl, Tiffany, I used to drive her boyfriend Eric every once in a while when he needed to make a run to the city to like re-up

I would drive him and of course he would hook me up for driving him and whatever and so I would take him to his place to get it and all that kind of stuff so I'm hanging out with her one night and we're all you know it's late and we're looking around for stuff and she uses my phone to try to call her dealer

in Columbus to try to get some blow we were going to make a trip up there and the guy didn't answer the phone well fast forward a couple days later i'm not with tiffany anymore i'm hanging out with this guy jared my phone rings it's from a number i hope recognized and uh answered a phone and he's like yeah someone tried to call me from this number i'm like oh i was like i think tiffany used my phone he's like oh yeah who's this and i told him and he goes and i said i'm eric's room and he's like uh are you the guy that drives him all the time that i see out in my parking lot and i'm like yeah bro that's me

and he's like oh what would you need and I'm like I don't know I was thinking about maybe getting a quarter or something like that he's like just come to the city and hit me up I like stumbled headfirst into like a connect

right you know what I'm saying for like legit fucking coke like people all the time the bad problem with addicts is everybody always thinks their story or their dope was better than everybody else did you ever know that with addicts

like you're telling a story to another addict if you say, like, I had two elders. They're like, oh, bro, I'm five, you know? Right. Or if you say, like, my fucking blow was legit. Oh, like, yeah, dude, I know. My shit was like, it was the shit. It was yellow as a cigarette builder.

Like, fuck off. Like, this shit was ridiculous. Like, you threw, if you would throw a gram or this stuff in a spoon and cook it, it would come back heavier than what you put in there. And I'm talking about with a pinch of soda. Like, it would come back like 1.2, 1.3. Like, it was, it was just straight. butter. It was ridiculous.

So he said that for me on the phone. And I'm like, looked at Jared. I'm like, we've got to get some money together. And so back then, you know, you can get a quarter ounce for 350 bucks. So off to the city we went, man. And like, I had to drop Jared off because this guy didn't know him. He knew who I was just for seeing me in the car. And remember I remember going to Morris Road in Columbus and to this guy, he was at his girlfriend's house.

And just he said, I'll be walking down the street and just pick me up. Pull up next to me and pick me up. Pulled up next to him. He just hopped in the car and just that quick. And all of a sudden now I'm, I've got a, you know, a giant amount of coke in my fucking hand. So, yeah, we started fucking Jared and I

selling a little bit here and there to pay for what we were buying. And that kind of snowballed into selling a lot of fucking coat. And then doing even more of it. And as I mentioned earlier, I was a terrible drug bemer man I felt bad for people that didn't have money I was like oh I'll hook you up you know what I mean like I just wanted to party and have fun

I was not business minded for that shit you know what I mean I just wanted to get high for three but I had where were you living at this point so I actually had a house that belonged to my grandmother and then she actually sold it to my mother

So it was basically like a rental property And I was living in that And I was paying rent to live there I wasn't living here for free Because when it comes to my mom She would fucking play about money Like the fact I'm her son does not matter You're going to pay money

Right But it was so funny man I You know I was living in this little house And back then You know like you know the store Hot Topic At the mall

Yeah Okay You remember like you go to Hot Topic And they would sell like these little neon signs and shit. You remember seeing those and stuff. I had one of those pink flamingo neon signs and it was in my window. So basically if the flamingo

was lit up, business was owned. That's what the whole point of that munkin sign was. So I had like a pink flamingo lit up in my window. You could see it from the fucking road, dude, in the middle of night. This is bright pink fucking light shining out of this guy's window. Jared

was staying with me basically because you know, we were just kind of, I let him stay there and we were just, you know, basically doing blow and party in and whatever and little by little you know that quarter ounce turned into buying a half ounce then buying an ounce and then buying an ounce and then you know we were both kind of running our asses off driving like he would we'd split it up he'd deliver to people I'd deliver to people you know on and on and that went on for a long time um and at this point I am completely fucking gone I'm doing you know like six grams or more a day

like I weighed like 105 pounds I weigh 145 right now and like I can see my chief buttons like if you can imagine me at 105 like I look like walking death right you know what I mean where was Josh Josh at this time

had they had you know he had worked with the local police department he was he wasn't from our department that's why they brought him into work at Millennium Tell us he wasn't a local guy right he was actually from like a county over he

lived in a county over from where I live and was working at that police department. So once he was done kind of here in town with what they had him do, he went back to working at his normal police department, you know, so, which was in a place called Waverly, Ohio. A small town, you know, again, very small kind of place. It's close to a bigger city. But, you know, just that's what Josh was. doing at the point but him and I were still in contact he knew what I was doing you know what I mean but he didn't fuck with me about it or turn me in like he was no longer responsible for me you know

what I'm saying so right yeah this job is done that yeah yeah pretty much and so this were on for a long time bro and I was strung the fuck out my parents knew um it was hard breaking like I just didn't care about anything all I cared about was drugs uh you know I'll never forget being in the city one year, you know, at my dude's house getting, getting dope on Christmas Eve. And my mom calling me and being like, look, I just want to see you for Christmas, like, crying on the phone. Like, because they hadn't seen me in months because I just disappeared from them. And even though I was living in her house, like, I would send the rent in the mail. Like, they'd never saw me.

And she was crying on the phone. Like, I know what you're doing. You know, just come here. There won't be any problem. I won't judge you. I just want to see you for Christmas and that just ripped to me in half. You know what I mean?

But I couldn't stop. I was so addicted and so, you know, whatever. And so one night, there's like 2 o'clock in the morning. This is, let's say, this is probably 2000, I want to say four at this point.

I had dope or only. Had no need to re-up and go get more. But I thought it was a bright idea to call my dude. like two in the morning, like, I'm on my way, you know. And so I've been up already for like two days at this point. You know, no sleep, just tweak the fuck out.

And I'm like, I'm going to drive to Columbus and get some more dope. So I get in the car and go and I'm rolling up through there, man, got my little plate in the car, doing some lines, listening to music, go up to the city, link up with him, get what I needed. And I really wasn't even getting that much compared to what I normally got. I got a half ounce that night. And so that was, you know, $500. And so on the way back from his house, I took a wrong exit. I mean, that was high as fuck, dude. And even though I'd been there a million times,

I took a wrong exit, and at this point I was starting to come down. And I was starting to shake and shiver and fucking just, you know what I mean? And I was trying to find a place to pull over to get like a line in me, so I can come back out of it. and dude, I stopped at this speedway and of course I started to get fucking paranoid and like I thought everybody was looking at me and I went in the store and then I came out of the store

and then fucking got back in the car and like I'd bend over to do a lot and I'm like oh man there's people looking at me and so I fucking I'm a mess at this point been up two days I'm just fucking wrecked and I pull out a speedway and as soon as I pull out there's a red light right here and the light

was fucking yellow I go through the yellow light and as soon as I go through it there was a paddy wagon cop parked alongside of the fucking curb like watching people you know what I mean in this area they were just sitting there in a van

like a paddy wagon van style like not a police car and pulled out you know hit the switch fucking lit me up got behind me and like I was done dude as soon as they come up to the car the guy's like you've been drinking

and I was like no and I'm trying to hold it together and his partner had walked around the passenger side of the car, and I remember seeing him, his partner out of the, my peripheral vision go like this. I was driving a fucking Oldsmobile Lero at the time, a two-door. And his partner pointed, and I turned and looked, and the plate was sticking out from underneath behind the back seat where I tried to shove it under there, and it had fucking coke all over it and, like, at that point, I was so tired and so fucking just exhausted

of being awake that long stuff. I didn't even put up a fight. I just got out of the car I put my hands out you know what I mean they cuffed me they searched the fucking car found the dope in the console it was all in one bag it looked like

you know a chunk of fucking ivory spring soap it was all in one big fucking piece and uh I remember hearing the cops say like yeah I bet I'll bet you want to cut this two or three times and I was like cut it like dude that's what we fucking fell

what I ignore is what I fell I don't cut anything and I never did that's then that's 100% true I never cut the dope to try to make more money off of, ever. You know what I mean? Right. I saw so many people do that, and I used to, because that's the shit that will fuck your guts and everything up when you do cocaine.

It's not the coke. It's all the baby lacks or creatine or whatever the fuck else they're putting in it. You know what I mean? I mean, I saw a guy who'd use hairspray one night to fucking, oh yeah. Like he took an ounce of coke, cut it up, put it in a piece of PVC pipe that had a on the end of it, okay? Put it down in the pipe, like a cut off piece of pipe, and then put sprayed hairspray down in the pipe, and then literally used like a, like a big C clamp and put the C clamp where the top part was down in the pipe, and then the bottom part is

up against the cap on the bottom of the pipe, tightened it down, so it would compress all that with the hairspray in there and hold the coke together. I don't know if you're how familiar you are with cocaine, but like... Cocaine. Okay, dude, it's, if you ever get a bag of cocaine like a gram or something and it's all powder in the bag, it's, you know, it pisses people off. It's garbage. People want to see rocks. Oh, you know, they want to see chunks. And so many people will try to fool you by doing stuff like that, cutting it up with different shit, whatever. What I snorted is what I sold. I never cut it once. I didn't, I just didn't care. I got it for $1,000 an ounce back then and sold it for $100 a gram. You know what I mean? There's 28 grams in a fucking ounce. So do the math. So I made money either way.

I didn't need to cut it. But this guy, you know, I got arrested that night. They take me to, um... They take me to fucking first real jail I'd ever been in. I'd been in my local deal a couple times, you know, prior to that for driving things and stuff like that. This was Franklin County Jail in Columbus. This is a place they called the Workhouse. This was what they called it.

and, you know, it's all black people in there. Yeah, I mean, dude, I grew, I grew, you know, the town I grew up in, there are no black people here. There was one African-American kid in my entire graduating high school class. One, there is, then you come here and it's white as far as the eye can see. Okay? All of a sudden, I'm in a fucking, you know, county deal with, like, just black dudes and shit below, you know, arguing over fucking boxes and nutty buddies and shit. I flipped under a picnic table for three days until a buck became available

and then I'd been in there about a week until my mom fucking bailed me out five grand to fucking bail me out why did she wait so long just probably teach me a lesson you know what I mean yeah they impounded my fucking car you know and what really I always thought was so funny is they impounded my car obviously

after I got arrested that night my cell phone was in the car which had my dealers info in it, all these contacts and shit. When I went to pick my car up from the fucking Columbus impound, the phone was still laying in the seat where I left it. They never, it didn't touch anything. They left it all in there.

I thought, wait to do, you know. So after a week of being in there, she got me an attorney. Like I said, my mom's been amazing. It's the one person that's never given up on me. Okay, man. So got arrested in Franklin County Workhouse. I get released, you know, from there. My mom bills me out.

It gets me an attorney. Great attorney, actually, saved my ass. He was from Columbus. It wasn't a local attorney where I lived. She got me one from the city where I was at. So I get out, go get my car from impound. And, you know, of course, you think that would have, again, stopped me or gave me some inkling that maybe I shouldn't be doing this shit.

Nope, your mic got muted. Right, you go. I can hear people outside screaming. Oh. Well, bring them. Bring them in. Bring them in. There's, you know, so I'm going to mute mine because, okay.

We're you. You're good. Okay. Okay. I just want to make sure. Okay. Until they go away. All right.

Yeah. Fuck them. So, you know, you think that would have deterred me or whatever. But it didn't. Literally the day I picked my car from Columbus impound. I went right back up to my dudes. like I said he you know my guy was in Columbus clear up on Cleveland Avenue anyone that knows Columbus knows what Cleveland Avenue is uh he um he lived in this a part of a complex that was

right behind a titty bar a place called sirens you know and obviously it wasn't called sirens titty bar just called sirens but uh that's where he was at so I went right back up there dude and uh you know got got some more after i got out got a shower got my car whatever went home and of course i remember calling him and he's like where you been for a week and i mean i lied my ass off to him i was like oh dude my phone got broke and like i couldn't get a new phone and like you know done he's like oh i thought something happened to you man like you got pinched or something i was like oh no no no no no and see i never what what i did at you know the telemarketing place I wasn't stupid

I wasn't trying to get killed I wasn't about to fucking ever go do anything like that with this dude no matter and they tried because I got caught with a fucking half ounce of Coke I mean the only thing that saved my ass

was it was in one bag so it wasn't intent to sell right yeah I mean I had digital scales in the car I had a plate with lines chopped lines chopped out on it razor blades fucking whatever dude

one of my mom's nice longa burger fucking plates in the car with like just rails a blow on it. But yeah, they tried. And I was like, look, man, you guys are fucking crazy. I said, you charge me, whatever. I said, I'm not telling you shit. I was like, I'm not trying to get killed.

Oh, we can make sure. I said, you can't make sure of anything, dude. No. And they don't know or anyway. No, they do not. They'll be your best friend to you give them what you want, man. I fucking hate cops. I do. Like I said, Josh is kind of the exception, the guy I mentioned. and the guy who, you know, was my handler from the local police department. Like I said, Josh was brought in there to work this case.

But that guy was a good dude as well. His name was Mike. And he actually looked out for me. He really did. Which we'll get into some more of that later. But so anyway, went right back up and got more. Kept doing what I was doing. Fast forward, you know, maybe about a year later.

I'd been to Columbus a couple times going to court, you know, trying to show that I was trying to get sober. I'd, you know, it had the X amount of clean urine screens that I went and took all my recognizance at that point from like, you know, just to show the judge. Things like that. And I happened to be, let's see. So one night we're in town here local and I was hanging out with that guy, Eric, that I mentioned earlier, that I used to drive for. Okay. And so we had kind of been hanging out a little bit. And, you know, I had went up earlier in the day and gotten some Coke and stuff. And for whatever reason that day, I thought it would be a good idea to go rent a car.

I used to like to rent cars all the time. Drive different shit. So I drove all the way to Huntington, West Virginia, this day, to the airport and rented a fucking Ford expedition. It's a giant fucking SUV. Why, I don't know. and I'll never forget that I don't know why but so I had this SUV I'm out riding around delivering some shit to people getting high

just business as usual and Eric calls me a few hours after I dropped him off and he's like hey man I got a guy that wants you know a quarter ounce he's like come meet me over such and such I had no reason to think there was a problem

you know whatever so I go over and meeting he comes he gets in the car I fucking weigh it out right there in the car again got scales in the car didn't learn anything dude got diggies in the car the whole thing right and it's not even my car it's a fucking real car you know what I'm saying so uh he goes let me I weigh it out give it to him and I probably after I waited out I think I still had somewhere like maybe between six and eight grams left on me you know still in the bag uh so I give it to him

he's like let me take this over to him and show him he's like if as long as it's you know they want to see it first. And like, I thought, okay, whatever. And he's like, then I'll bring you the money back. So he takes off out of the car. And like I said, at this point, I had no reason not to trust him. I mean, I was going to get my shit from the same dude he got his shit from. You know what I'm saying? So about 30 minutes go by and I call him, he doesn't answer. And then about another 10 minutes go by. And he calls me back. And he's like, hey man, I wouldn't park down there at that gas station where you met me. He's like, a lot of cops have been driving by there lately. And I thought, That's a fucking weird thing to say.

You know what I mean? Like, why would you say that? I can't hear you, buddy. See? You mute it, man. It goes to hell to hand cart. Sorry. I was going to say,

especially after all that time, like, if that was an issue, why did you tell me that when you got out of the car? Why did you have me meet you there in the first place if you knew this? Okay. So I'm like, well, that's kind of weird, man. But he goes, he says, he says, I'll be there.

in five minutes. He's like, just be careful. And I'm high. And when you're high, you don't fucking think right anyway. So, I swear to God, no sooner than I pulled in back into this gas... This is probably 3 o'clock in the morning at this point. No sooner

than I pulled back into this gas station and shut the fucking motor off, I was surrounded by the fucking local sheriff's department. This motherfucker, which I can't say anything, because, I mean, I did something. I did something. I wore a wire to get myself out of trouble, okay?

This motherfucker just didn't want to pay for the dope. So when I gave him the quarter ounce, went back to the house where he was partying at, called the cops on me so they would know where I would be, so he didn't have to pay me for it. I found all this out later from just people and stuff like that. So he basically snitched on me so he could get a free quarter ounce of dope. These fucking drug addicts.

I know. You just can't trust them. No, I know, man. And like I said, I didn't belong there because I was a good, I felt sorry for people. Like, I had no business being a fucking drug addict. Like, how many drug addicts you know that would give? Or how many dealers do you know? Not that you're in that world, but anybody watching this will go,

bro, you fucking idiot. Like, yeah, I shouldn't have gave a quarter ounce of fucking blow to someone. I've been like, sure, take it over to the guy's house and let them look at it. Like, I realize how stupid that is. But I'm not going to lie to you. You know what I mean? you know you're not you're not a great you're not a good

drug dealer I mean no terrible at it terrible out of people would lie to me I would sell them the fucking grim they'd be they'd deliver it drop it off I'd get halfway back home and they'd be like I weighed this man it was like point two fucking light which I knew better because I waited for

and left the fucking house they'd already taken some out of it I would feel bad turn around go back and give them fucking here's point two and like stupid shit like that because I I fucking stupid. Yeah. I was 20,

yeah, it's 20 fucking three years old, man, at this point. So I get surrounded. You were trying to build a brand. Yeah. Yeah, it was working well. Yeah.

Yeah. I was working towards Shark Tank, which didn't fucking exist then. But yeah. Yeah, I was trying to get on with it, you know, Mark Cuban. So they were still around the car.

Same scenario again. Peripedalien. the car, but all the dope, I'd taken it out, then weighed it, giving him seven grams, which is a quarter-out, and, uh, you know, and then, uh, put everything back into one bag. So, again, I didn't have a bunch of shit split up in the car, pre-weighted up, ready to sell, whatever. So they surround the car, get me, and again, it's all in one bag. So now we got 14 grams I got caught with in Columbus. And now, if I remember, it was close to Abrams that I got caught with here locally.

Okay? So that's a good bit of blow to get caught with. You know what I mean? I mean, it's not, you know, I understand that there's people that have done way more than me that have got caught with way more. But for the small town that I'm from, these are pretty crazy fucking things. Like, people around here just didn't do that kind of shit. Did you tell the cops that you just done, been through this? Like, I've been through this, fellas.

I'm in the middle of this whole thing right now. They knew. they knew. Yeah. Like I said, this is a small town. People knew that I'd been arrested in Columbus. People knew that I'd been in jail. People like, this is not a big place. It's, it's fucking horrible here.

I don't recommend it at all to anybody. Not that I'm saying exactly where I'm at, but I just, it's small town to marry. It's fucking Mayberry. You know? Like, it's, there's, there's very, they have very little patients with drug dealers there. yes it's i mean bad idea yeah man bunch of cock diesel fucking rednecks nine they're not they're not

curtailing their way of life for drug dealers no no yeah yeah and this is back in like oh three men when it was just different then i mean you you're older just like me you remember how different it was then than it is now like people don't understand you know it's just so yeah those they're just a bunch of red motherfuckers with bat. Every cop of ever meant's been a high school bully with a badge. Every one of them. And COs in prison. Same thing.

You know what I mean? Like, what'd you say, bro? Like, fucking just cocked diesel. You know what I mean? Like, that's what... Right. Stupid and big. That's what most of them are. Just court-fed fucking just country boys. You know. Whatever. So, they get

me. Of course, I get arrested. They take me up to the station. same thing and you know within a couple hours i'm in the local jail and this time my mom you know i'd like i'm an only child you know adult not like any of the people i was selling to were going to come bail me out you know what i mean yeah did uh didn't you but didn't you explain to them listen i've been good to you yeah yeah you owe you guys really gotta owe me well i i i had mentioned that time. Remember that time you said I didn't weigh it right

and I had turned around and came back? Yeah. No, no, no. Oh, I thought you meant to police. Because I mentioned to them, oh, believe me, I've mentioned to them, like, I've worked with you guys. You know what I mean? Yeah. I get the drug. Oh, drug dealer buddies bailing you out. Oh, yeah. Well,

neither one of them gave a fuck. Not the cops or the fucking drug addicts. You know what I mean? I told them, like, I've worked with you with so-and-so from this police department. They give no fucks. They don't care. They... No.

No, they don't care. So, this kind, local jail, and the local jail here, you know, you have all criminals from all walks of life in it. You know, county jail is the worst place. I think you can agree, anybody will agree. You're a lockdown 23 fucking hours a day.

Yeah. You know? And they're slipping your fucking dinner through a mail shoot in the fucking door. Like, here's your tray. You know what I mean? There's a guy in there for tax evasion, and there's a guy,

in there for killing two fucking or two corrects, you know, whatever, an FBI agent. Yeah, oh yeah. There for low-length drugs and you're like, what am I doing in here

with the killer? Yeah. Yeah. It's a mixed bag. It is, man. And I got lucky because I was in a four-man cell. Most of the cells in this jail

were two-man. I was in a four-man cell and it actually had its own phone in the cell. So it had its own pay phone in the cell. and there was four bucks instead of two. So there was enough people in one cell to play fucking cards.

Right. So you could play yuker, you could, whatever. You know, spades, poker, whatever the fuck it was. So this time, my mom lets me sit in there for 45 days. Like, during that whole period, I'm getting to go over to the court, you know, like to try to get released on an OR bond. Like, I've been in jail now for a week, then two weeks, then, like, they're not letting me out. she's not bailing me out eventually after about 45 days i had another court date coming up and i remember my stepdad got on the phone when i called home collect one night and he said

you know listen if they don't let you out the next time you go he's like we'll step in and do something and i was like so i knew i was going to finally be able to get out like you know almost however almost two months later you know um yeah the sunshine sorry about that it's uh this house has a a lot of windows, unfortunately. So. If I hate that sunlight. Yeah, I fucking just... Like a fucking vampire, bro.

Even though... And yeah, I also go to the tanning bed, if you can't tell. So fucking cancer, yeah, I'm super smart. I'm so smart. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I feel like tan day before yesterday.

I don't give a fuck. I don't care. But what about the vitamin pack? Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I figure it evens itself out. You know what I mean? Yeah. If I stay hydrated, take the vitamins, like, I can smoke and tan.

I don't fucking care. I don't give a shit. I've made it 42 years. If I'm not dead yet, bro, like, listen, somebody up there is looking out. They have to be. Or I'm just, I don't know, but I'm too dumb to die, I guess. So I finally get out of Jackson, you know, of, uh, of, uh, I want to fucking say my name.

I finally get out of this jail. And I, um, you know, at this point, not been doing any drugs, I've been in jail. I've gained all this fucking weight back.

I'd looked fucking terrible. I mean, some people would have said, I looked good because I wasn't 105 pounds anymore. But I've just been in there eating and fucking, you know, whatever.

And so got out, went to court, and then that's when the lawyer from Columbus, they had given me, um, basically a quarter-pointed attorney with this local charge and then he basically took over both cases and got them to run it you know concurrent both charges together right you know

so I had to go back to Columbus one more time um for for that and the judge you know allowed it to be run together and all this stuff and whatever and then for the local one um finally went in front of the you know common please judge for that and I'd never been you know I'd only been arrested once before which was the Columbus thing you know I've never been in trouble never been in any kind of real whatever I've never had

and even to this day I've never had a domestic violence I've never had anything like that I'm not a violent guy just not you know so the judge agreed to let me have what was called treatment in lieu of conviction so if I would have yeah rehab stay on the right path go to probation

urine screens you know of course I couldn't do that why would I want to do that yeah that's for suckers yeah quitters quitters yeah fucking quitters

pussies this fucking guy man this fucking probation officer I hate this fucking prick to this day but I got him back and I'll tell you why years later I'm 24 at this point or whatever

this guy, his name was Frank. It's a fucking, you know, not the emperor. No. No, different Frank. See, I watch your stuff, man. But different guy and, you know, fucked with me something awful, hated me. Because I would test dirty all the time.

You know, shut up in my fucking house. Just, I mean, raid the fucking house. Tear it apart. Move the couch, looking for shit. Whatever. and it just are you saying that he wanted you to abide by the the

by your probation yeah that it's crazy right yeah what a dick I know yeah are the worst yeah I don't know what what they think when they read their job title but like they're just I'm fucking idiots

you know like I you're telling me yeah I can't commit additional crimes and do no probation but here's the best over now uh yeah and here's the best part the judge had even also implemented house arrest unmonitored

so no ankle monitor I've been on an ankle monitor for other charges this time this was no ankle monitor try going to town to sneak out of your house to go to the grocery store and running into the judge at Kroger's and he knows they're supposed to be on fucking house arrest

like and he just looked at it and said below Mr. Such and And I'm like, oh, fuck. You know, like, oh, that's happened. Yeah, that's fucking happened. That's how something. Anything outcome of it or? No, he didn't say work.

I mean, the look who gave me was all that needed to be said. But he saw me in there. And then, of course, wasn't like a day or so later. Here's the probation department again at my fucking house. You know what I mean? I'm just picking up some bread. Yeah, but I'm picking up bread. I told what I said to him.

I said, I really just, that's what I said to him in store that night when I ran into it. I said, I just needed to come and get some food. I kind of put my hands up like this, and he just looked at me. It didn't fucking say anything. And I thought, oh, shit. And then, yeah. So, I was probably on probation, felony probation. And so the ultimate charge that I got was a felony five. Okay, that's what I pled out to, because everything was in one bag, both times. It wasn't intent to sell. Um, I had an addiction problem. So, you know, it was a felony five, is what I go. And so, uh, trying to be probation and shit, I kept pissing dirty and everything, man.

It just didn't fucking work, you know what I mean? And, uh, so eventually, I kind of got tired of getting violated. I got tired of getting thrown in county jail for a fucking week, whatever the case was. So eventually I went to Frank and I said, look, uh, I said, man, how much time I got in a show. And I had about a year, a little over a year over my head, is basically what it was.

Because I had done counting time and like all that stuff, they count all that towards. Yeah. And so, um, the, uh,

oh, well, I didn't mention that. So the rehab part of the, uh, of the sentence, I got sent to a halfway house. I got thrown out of there.

I got caught half. having a cell phone so there's a there's a fucking halfway house in uh and we don't have a cell phone no it's in it's in lancaster ohio it's called the community transition center is right next to a fucking dollar jittering and you tell them about white privilege though did you tell them that none's wow yeah i don't have to follow these rules yeah not until after yeah i i should have told them before but like i thought you know i thought they knew at this point and you have to walk in the door and and and you have to let them know hey i know that you guys have some rules yeah but i was raised upper middle class yeah see you think like you think it end up funny when

you really kind of find out that the rules do apply to you because i always thought they didn't apply to me you know i like but yeah and i've literally told people the rules don't apply to me i mean i'm i just to say yeah that's that those rules that doesn't apply to me that no to the little people. Yeah, not me. I'm not like, I'm not like you. Yeah. Right. But when it does catch out to you and you find out that they do apply to you, it sucks. It sucked bad. Yeah, because up to this point, you know, I'd always been good at talking and good at whatever. And I'd gotten myself out of a lot of shit. You know what I mean? There were so many times that I did get pulled over and had a ton of dope in the car and got out of them not searching it.

or you know whatever like it was almost like i wanted to get caught in a way i mean there was dude there was one night i was in columbus staying at a hotel we were partying up there and i left to go get dope and and on the way back i'm on 270 which is the main highway there's big four lane highway and i i'm running a hundred and three miles an hour and this is like four o'clock in the morning just pitch black no one on the highway and there's a fucking columbus cop setting like clocking people on the highway. And I ripped past this motherfucker. Now, I told you I was at a hotel, right?

It was at Ameri Host Inn. Okay, the reason I remember that is because I had a hot tub room and they provided backrobes. Well, I was driving with that fucking backrobe on. And a backwards hat with a fucking toothbrush sticking out of the side of it.

I looked like a fucking lunatic, dude. I had an Amerihost Inn backrobe on, backwards hat, toothbrush, and I get pulled over. You would think that would be like immediately the guy wrote me a fucking ticket. It was a $130 speeding ticket and let me go. Didn't even search a car. If he'd have fucking opened the truck.

It was probably close to the end of shift. Yeah. Yeah. But like you times like that and you think, oh, I'm invincible. Yeah. I can't get caught. You know. Yeah, wrong.

So I went looking out for me. Yeah. I mean to smoke this, though. Yeah. Yeah. I mean to sell this drug. You look out for me. Oh, bro.

You know, it... I don't know how I'm alive, because I've Odeed twice. And one time, while driving. Like, and if it wasn't for that guy, Eric, that I mentioned, that ended up snitching me out, being in the passenger seat and throwing the car into fucking neutral because my foot went flat on the accelerator and basically punching me the chest, I would have died. He brought me out of it. He was in the passenger seat and swung

his fist like this and hit me in the sturtom and I fucking come up out of it. After being awake for like two days, be hydrated, just on straight coke and cigarettes, no food. Yeah, and OD while driving like 60 mile an hour, he was able to wrestle the car over to the side of the fucking road and throw it in neutral and like, yeah. So just, but I'm still here. I thought, yeah, of course I thought the rules didn't apply to me. Of course. So I got thrown out a halfway house, got taken to the local jail, got released

from now, then, you know, came back to my town, and then, you know, more probation, more, you know, more supervision. And then eventually, like I said, I went to him and said, you know, how much time do I have, he told me. I said, just give me everything I got. I said, I can't

do this sheriff. I can't do probation. I said, you know, I just, I want to do whatever I've got and be done with this. I want it past me, you know. And he agreed, and he also agreed that when I got out there would be no post-release control. I didn't have to get out and go to a halfway house. You know, I wasn't a violent offender, anything like that. And so I went to, you know, first, so first I got taken to CRC, which is the correctional receiving center in Columbus, Ohio. and there is, you know, where they figure out where your institution's going to be

and then ride you out to your parent institution from there. So while I'm in CRC, I got put in the medical dorm because I was, you know, crazy. And they knew I had mental issues. I had meds and all this shit. So I'm in the medical dorm. And the first day, I'm up on the top tier. You know, it was like a horse shoe shape, and I'm up on the top tier. And I happen to look down, and who do I see that's in jail with me at CRC?

Now, for people from Ohio, they'll know, they should know. And especially if you're a high state football fan, which if you're from Ohio, most people are. I was in prison with Maurice Claret, which was the number 13 for the high state Buckeyes. This was in 2000. I was in, well, I was in CRC in 2000. six so he would have played for high state in uh four oh five somewhere in there and he was a big deal he got NFL contracts i mean he was a hell of a running back and this guy uh flipped out one night in columbus uh something to do with his girl or or something like that uh for those of

you to want to know about him he did an interview with uh dj blad on youtube so maurice claret is on DJ Blige's channel on YouTube. And he explains everything. But he got caught with an AK-47, a bulletproof vest, I think 2-9 millimeters and like a liter of gray goose vodka in an

escalate. He was on his way to kill somebody. And he ran from the cops. It was this whole big deal. So for Ohio, it was a big fucking deal. Well, I was in CRC with him. Couldn't have been a cooler dude, man. Signed autographs for me. I mean, this is still back. Tree iPhone. The

first iPhone, then come out until 2007. So, uh, my, I called my mom for jail and I said, I'm in here with Bruce Corrette. My mom went to a high state to college. She's a huge high state fan.

I'm like, print me out, uh, some photos of him off the computer and mail him to me in a fucking prison, you know, pre-stamped dogger. And she did. She found a couple of photos him online dial up back then.

Fucking, you know, and all that noise it used to make. Um, of him died in the end zone for touchdown. whatever, she mails into me and dude, the COs let him borrow a Sharpeen fucking pen and he fucking signed him right there on the CEO's desk

during wreck and suck it. I put them back in the envelope and mailed them home. So, got my grandma an autograph from Maurice Claret from prison. Yeah, grandma was cool. She's gone now too. You know, I was pretty much raised by her and my mom pretty much nothing but

women until my mom got remarried. So, I mean, strong women in my family. Like, I'm very thankful for that. My grandma was a cool lady, cool, cool lady. Um, so it was in CRC. And as I mentioned, uh, before, you know, they got me on psych meds and shit in there. They had me on Thorazine. I was all fucked up. Just shuffling around. And then, of course, back then, you could still smoke in prison. Thank God. And you couldn't smoke in your cell, but they sold chewing tobacco on fucking commissary. So I, I would chew red man, chewing tobacco in my my stale so I could get nicotine.

And then going to and from chow was the only time they allowed you to smoke. In a straight line, they would walk you to and from, you know. Right. And so you could order cigarettes or commissary in there, you know, whatever. And then once I found out what my parent institution was going to be, you know, they give you a list of things you can take with you, shit like that. Like you can bring a all white pair of Nikes or any all white tennis shoes, things like that. Well, back in, you could still bring a carton of cigarettes.

with you in prison. So I took a carton of, well camels with me, Camel Wides to a prison and back then they called them Cadillacs. So if you had name brand cigarette, you know, they basically would say it was a carton of Cadillacs. So I brought a carton of Cadillacs with me to fucking prison.

I was a popular guy, man. So, yeah. So I left CRC and got taken to FCI, which is Southeastern Correction Institution, which is in Lancaster, Ohio. also where that halfway house was and um so i get in there and i get put into what's called i

dorm which is uh the way their dorms were at this prison everything was like a big airplane hanger and um it was just rows of bunk beds you know just i mean so there was like and they called them by like street names so like first street second street third street so i slept on first street right by the fucking pay phone bank, which was I mean, I got a bottom rack though but it just, you know, right by all the goddamn pay phones. Fuck, man.

All night long, just, blah, blah, I mean, it's just fucking terrible. You know, until lights Yeah, until lights out. I mean, until lights out, yeah. But you could still, you know, of course, have a TV. They had cable cords, you know, it's a low security prison. They had cable cords run to each bunk. So at

the end of your book, there was a stand and you could buy a clear, see-through, 13-inch color TV off commissary and have a TV at the end of your buck. That's nuts. Yeah, so I had a fucking TV. It got, you know, all of four channels, and then this prison had a movie chain where you would tune into this certain channel

and basically they would play DVDs all day long. They would just swap them out. So the first time I ever saw fucking Talladega Nights, Ricky Bobby, fucking shake a bait, was in fucking prison. because they played it on the fucking closed Luke inside the prison

in there you know so I did all my time there in eyedorm and it was so funny I remember

the first day I got there you know there was people in there locally from my town that I knew and recognized and I remember

this one guy his name's Jason he's dead now I mean a lot of people I knew her dead um but Jason was one of the biggest

just fuck up been arrested 100,000 more times than I ever was like he's lived in the same town as me so you know everybody knew everybody uh and then I get taking to prison the first day I see him and he's in the fucking honor dorm of all people to be in the honor dorm this fucking guy

like it just if you knew if you know it's it's kind of a story you had to be there but if you knew this guy and knew who he was to see him in the fucking honor dorm was ridiculous right yeah so I'll never forget that but did all my time there man and um you know uh made it through you know unscath

i never had to go to the hole or anything like that luckily um you know how long was it again 13 months 13 months okay yeah yep yep 395 days and uh i had that was the total sentence i had done like 50 i think it was 55 days is what it ended up being in county so they took that off the Hey, we know you probably hit play to escape your business banking, not think about it. But what if we told you there was a way to skip over the pressures of banking? By matching with the TD Small Business Account Manager, you can get the proactive business banking advice and support your business needs. Ready to press play?

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and in that prison in you know um so yeah but it was 13 months total um but uh yeah man Jesus Christ so got out of there and basically had nothing

you know I got released March 11th of 2007 and I decided in there I never wanted to go back you know now to just to give you you an example. I've been sober 13 years now and that's legit. No relapse no fucking nothing. Straight up and down sober.

So aside from cigarettes and caffeine, bro, but that's it. I don't even more. Right. So, but when I got out, you know, it's I fucked up a few times when I got out

I didn't get necessarily put back in jail because like again, I got out. I didn't have any post-release control. I didn't have any probation, anything like that. You know what I mean? So, fucked up a few times, but basically was living with my grandmother and had

nothing, no car, no nothing. And eventually meant this girl. Can I have a question? What do you mean fucked up? Like you said you didn't have any relapses. Right. Well, no, no. I mean, now 13 years later, I have not

had any relapses, anything like that but when I so but what you know because if you add 13 to 2007 that's it that would only be 2020 this is 2023 so there was about a year or so after I got out of prison maybe where I still went back to the pain pill thing right I never did I never did coke again but I went back to the pain pill thing again and started getting into that and of course you know that just it was just all bad you know what I mean just and I it was hard but I eventually got straightened up got a, you know, cheap car and, you know, started to kind of work my way towards just, you know, getting better, you know, that kind of stuff. You know what I mean? And, you know, again, to fast forward

a little bit, as I sent you last night, you know, a lot of people don't get this lucky, but I actually got to get my felony expunged. You know, it took me 20 years, you know, basically to do that. I mean, my original charge was the first time I ever got caught with Coke. I was, I think, what, 21, 22? I just got the felony taking off my record April of last year. So, I mean, it took me 20 years to pay off all the fines and all the, you know, get a valid driver's license, valid insurance, stay clean, not relapse, not be arrested for anything else, yada, yada, yada, you know, all this stuff.

Right. plus you have to wait 10 years from your original sentence date before you can even apply to get the felony taken off your record your charge has to be 10 years old you know what I mean right um so but yeah I hired an attorney man last year

and uh you know got to go and you know what's so funny is after all this craziness man and all this madness and it took that long to get this felony expunged when I went in front of the judge that day the original judge that had charged me at the felony court was not even on the bench anymore at this point. You know what I mean? That was 20 years

again. So going to the court, it took two minutes for them to be like, sure, you're not a felon anymore. What? I was going to say they don't, like, the federal system they won't do this. A lot of the states will. Yeah. And so it's when I went into court that day, that was me,

my attorney, the judge, and the prosecutor. Okay? And of course, I got yelled that by the judge. I'll tell you why in a minute. I thought going to court that day was for a celebratory thing. Like, hey, I'm going for a good reason. Again, my felony expunged. I don't need to wear a suit and tie. So I wore shorts and a hoodie. Yeah. I wore basically something like this

and, you know, like fucking sex white and a fucking pair of shorts and Adidas slides. and he uh he they presented it to the court he you know said well i'm going to go ahead and allow this to go through prosecutors do you have any you know uh whatever and she said no and so and he says okay we're going to allow this to go through then he goes he says my last name and he says how about next time you don't wear shorts to court and i was like oh your honor i'm you know i'm sorry he said i don't plan on there being next time he goes well yeah how about next time you just don't do it and i was like yeah

Yes, sir. You know what I mean? Fucking skiddled the fuck out of there. So, you know, got my felony expunged, man. Like, again, I've heard you talk about this. You know, I couldn't know a firearm. You know, I couldn't fucking vote. I couldn't have a passport. Anything.

Now, and with the paperwork that I sent you to you, I mean, you have a chance to look at it. I read it. Okay. Yeah, now I can do all those things again, man. I mean, I busted ass to do that. You know what I mean? to fucking be, not that I'll ever vote

because who gives a fuck, but I want to own some guns, God damn it. This is America. I'm white. I want some guns. You know what the fuck? Yeah, dude. Seriously. I know. I know. I know. I know you.

I shouldn't have said that, but it's true. So did you buy? Did you go get a gun? Not yet because, you know, just, I wanted I wanted it. And I never did get a gun. No. Or a passport. Or a passport. Not yet. I think you can actually get a passport except if you owe fines and stuff. They typically don't want to issue you a passport.

That's not what they told me. Oh, they said you couldn't? Yeah, they told me that if I wanted to go anywhere, the far as I could go is Puerto Rico because it's considered part of the United States. Like, if I wanted to go outside the United States before I got the felony expunge, that's a no-go. You could not go get a passport. Now, I have a passport. Steve, maybe it's in Ohio wall.

I don't, you know what I mean? Well, I also got permission from my judge to get the passport. There you go. Yeah. Okay. See, that maybe that has something to do with it. I never, yeah, I never applied. I never even tried to go get one because, I mean, really, I'm not a rich guy.

I really don't have a shit kind of extra money to travel a bunch, you know, things like that. But, uh, I mean, I hope to get one one day and be able to actually fucking use it yet. And, um, you know, the gun thing. I honestly have been afraid to walk in there. Because, you know, they're going to do a background check on you right there. And even though I've got the paperwork, it's just been this little thing in the back of my head, like, you know. I mean, you can plan for it, you know.

Yeah. You have a couple of days off. Yeah. Yeah. They grab you and throw you in jail. You can, you know, keep the paperwork with you. Yeah. Yeah.

No shit. I mean, and it's expected. Well, it didn't just happen last year as of April. And I asked the attorney that I hired. By the way, this whole thing to get it expunged and they will allow you to file the paperwork yourself. So if you wanted to try to get your felony expunge and do it yourself without hiring an attorney and paying an attorney, whatever, they won't allow that. It has to be an attorney to go to the court and file the paperwork. That's what they told me anyway.

So it was $1,500 for everything. So not bad. No, not bad. No. But yeah, man, it just happened April last year and I asked him. I said, you know, well, how long does it take for them to get, you know, you guys send out letters to all these FBI, all these different bureaus to scrub my name from their system, all this shit? And he's like, well, we send out the letters. He's like, it's a, you know, required by law that they do it. He's like, I couldn't tell you exactly how long. And I thought it's only been, you know, this April, this upcoming April next month will be a year since I got the felony experience. And I thought, I'm not trying yet, man. Like, I wonder if they've all done it, you know? Like, shipping my name out of the system. I'm out.

Well, I'll let you know when I try it after I get fucking handcuffed. I'm calling you. I'm going to be like, Matt, guess where I'm at? I'd be like, yeah, I knew that shit wasn't going to work, bro. Yeah, I'd be like, fucking hell. Yeah, you'll be like, you're like only the other guys that didn't help bail me out the first time. I'll be like, I don't know what I can do for you. But, yeah, man, the book.

Yeah, dude. Jesus, God. It's fucking call. Homessary, man. Bro, I was, listen, I was lucky in fucking prison. I smoked, I basically spent, that's what I spent my money on was, was cigarettes. Though I was able to smoke, every time we go to commissary, they sold Newports, Marlboros, whatever, on commissary at the prison I was in. I would buy seven packs of cigarettes, one for each day, a couple bags of noodles, and then I'd play cards and shit for everything else for a brick of milds or, you know, black of milds, whatever the fuck, you know, or for someone that, I'd pay someone to do laundry for.

for me, whatever. But, yeah, I luckily could smoke in there, man. Because, like, I feel sorry for these fuckers now that can't have nicotine in prison. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah. We'll keep prisoners calm. Yeah.

But it's a good thing. You want prisoners to be calm. There's less violence. If you would allow them to smoke, like, Iber, it makes people happy to be able to go out and have a fucking cigarette. Like, no wonder all these fuckers are on edge. They're taking everything from them except caffeine. Like, you know

So I thought you came down with cancer again Yes, so last year again Um, so Just a second As I smoke a cigarette to tell you about So I roll out of the tanny bed I'm looking at a cigarette and I look down And there's a there's a mole on my leg

Let me see if I can show you This fucking camera So I'm right to go this way with it No Can you see the long? Do you see it? No. It's right here.

I believe. Okay. There's, uh, when you and I hang up, um, actually, what I'll do, do, do medical photos bother you? No. Okay. I'm going to send you pictures of it because I had the guy was like, when he had my, had me opened, um, removing everything. I told the nurse because I was awake.

I was like, take a photo of this shit. So I've got a picture of it. It's gnarly. It looks like someone took a fucking melon baller and just took a scoop. out of the side of my neck. So last year, I went to the dermatologist to get a checkup, whatever, and I had this spot on my neck right here.

And it had been there my whole life, kind of like the mole on my leg. And it had recently started to, like, peel a little bit. It was kind of hurt. You know, it never did that before. Because I've always worn, like, necklaces and stuff, and it was rubbing against it, and it's never bothered me until then. and so

they obviously that very day that I went they cut it off and then you know cauterized it did another

biopsy on it so I get a phone call and they're like you have a tumor in your neck and I'm like fuck man really

and they're like yeah and it's not as bad as it sounds it's a basal cell carcinoma but you have a tumor and I'm like

okay and so go back, you know, it was about a month later, went back and got to actually see the surgeon from that dermatologist's office, and then right there that day, fucking needle, pop, pop, all the way around it to numb it, you know, and waited about 30 minutes for all that to take hold. And then literally, man, scalpel opened me up, cauterized it so it wouldn't bleed, and then cut around all the fucking margins in there. And, you know, and then this guy was a fucking.

wizard with stitches. When I show you the picture was the size of the hole and what he closed it up to and how now you can't even see it. You know what I mean? Like you can't see it at all unless you were right up on me. It's amazing how good it healed. So yeah, I had cancer again and didn't have to do luckily any treatment this time. They managed to get it early enough and get all the margins when they cut it out. You know, I didn't have to go back. So I was Yeah, I beat cancer twice, man. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm like a cockroach, bro. Like, you know, I just, you can't kill me. Just keep going. So. What the doctor say about the smoking and the... Oh, yeah. Oh, of course. Keep it up.

Yeah. He said, he said, Mr. Such and Such. He's like, I want you to know that you are the reason that I, you know, do health care. He's like, I think there should be more people. like you that smoke a pack a day and tan three times a week. He's like, I want you to spread the word. No, he didn't. A job security. Yeah.

I thought, what do you care, motherfucker? My insurance pays your fucking salary. I don't need a life lesson. He's like, well, if you don't smoke, you'll heal quicker. I thought, I'll take that under advisement. I had a bucket cigarette in my mouth as soon as I walked out in the hospital park a lot where it said no smoking, as a matter of fact.

Quitters. I'm not fucking nothing. Whatever. nice so yeah um it's been good yeah man um jesus do you see that uh there's you know like you mentioned the other day on the phone i understand you can edit and cut some of the stuff up uh that day i think it was just the number one you know to go from seeing you on here and then all of a sudden fucking mattie's on the phone with me and then i've really had just gotten up i'm on this horrible schedule man i don't go to bed till nine in the morning and I get up around 2, 3, 2.30 in the afternoon. And I'm up all day after that. And then around like 11 at night, I'll sleep maybe 2 hours. And then I am right back up at about 2.30 in the

morning and I'm up all night long until 9 a.m. again. And it's just, it's been that way for years now. You know what I'm saying? There's a couple. There's a couple other, you know, really good stories that I'd like to tell you um you know my ex the one that kind of saved my life there's a whole story with that and then I didn't get a chance to tell you about the Mexican girl that I flew here from Mexico that I had never met in person before why did you why did you fly her in that's a whole story bro you you wear it yeah okay okay okay so this would have been after my ex and I broke up okay the one that I after you got out of prison? Yes. And this was after I'd lived with my grandmother's,

then I eventually met my, she's my ex now, but my, you know, a girl, her and I got together. And she really kind of was the lifesaver that got me the rest of the way over the hump and got me to get sober. You know, I'm sure you've heard the term sin-eater before. This girl was my sin-eater. It was so weird to see happen in real time, but this nice, wholesome girl, what she wanted to do with me, I'll never know. But the more her and I were together, it was like all the bad things that I had, all the bad habits, all that shit, slowly came off of me and got put on to her. And she became an addict.

She started doing fucking pain pills. She started, you know, and then we had to both be put on Suboxone and, you know, all this kind of crazy shit. It was so odd to look back now and think about it. Because everything that was bad that I needed to quit and move forward from, she kind of took off of me and put one to her and then after eight years of being together you know she had started cheating on me

with her ex-husband over Facebook she wasn't from here she was from San Antonio Texas she had moved here to Ohio to be closer to one of her brothers who lived here and worked here at one of the factories around here and so I met her through a mutual friend we got together and basically were inseparable

from the night we met didn't you know we got together went home that night together and then just you basically never left my side and we stayed together until eight years later until she left and when she left she fucking took

every name we had a trip that was in both of our names so I couldn't report it stolen she took the truck took like some of my clothes took a bunch of furniture and shit I came home to a fucking empty house but it was yeah and she didn't even know

that she had been cheating for me I had to find that out through one of our mutual friends because, you know, she was just, I came home and she was gone. I had no idea what the fuck was going on. And then a mutual friend of ours called me and was like, look, you know, Tina left. She's not coming back. She's going back to Texas. You know, she told me to call and tell you this, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like trying to call her phone.

She won't pick it up. She was gone. And then find out she had been cheating on me on Facebook for like the last six months with her ex-husband back in Texas. is he fucking Western Unioned her the money to be able to afford to pack up the truck and come back home to him and she did. When you say cheating on me on Facebook, you mean she'd just been communicating with him?

Well, yes, but making pro, I still consider that cheating, talking back and forth with your ex-husband, making plans to leave me to go be with him, talking, you know, so yeah, I say cheating, but yes. Okay, yeah. And then she took off. Yes, he took off.

And then so, I've always been really good at talking, on the phone. You know, if maybe you can't tell from this interview, I've never had a problem talking or, you know, whatever. I've always been really good over the phone. And that's, this will matter in a second. So,

a friend of mine, Nick, he was actually my borrower, had a flat screen TV and this is 2000 and what? This would have been like 2009, somewhere around in there, something like that. When, you know, smart TVs were still kind

of expensive. They weren't a very normal thing like they are now where you can get one for 200 bucks. Right. So he had a regular flat screen TV but it was big. It was like I think it was 55 inch or something which was still considered big back then. And I had a

smart TV but it was small. It was like 43 inch or something. It was a Vizio. And he's like I'll trade you this bigger same you smart flat screen for your smaller TV because it's a smart TV. And I was like wide cable with the house. So I was like fuck yeah, I'll trade you. I just want a bigger screen.

I don't even use the smart TV. Right. So, Tradey. Well, he had had this TV meld on his wall. And when he gave me the TV, it didn't have a base with it, you know, to set it on an entertainment stand or something like that, right? So I thought, well, what the fuck am I going to do with this TV? Man, I don't want to screw holes in the wall. I don't even know this place.

I was renting a place, you know, where my ex and I had been living. And I thought, I don't want to screw holes in the wall. I'm going to call Sainio and see if I can get a base for this TV. So I call Sanyo. Here's the first thing. Did you know Sanyo is in Tijuana, Mexico? Well, if you ever buy Sanyu a TV, that's where they make that motherfucker, is Tijuana, Mexico. That is where Sanyo is, and that's where their call center is.

So I call the 1-800 number for Sanyo. They, you know, go through the automated bullshit, and they transfer me to the, I guess they would call it the parts in the, or the repair department. They had a name for this department. This girl picks up the phone. and says that her name is Meredith and she's got the thickest Mexican accent Spanish what a Latino accent you could imagine

okay like yeah my ass your name's meridness like yeah my name is Tom yeah yeah no no it's not and so I start talking but she spoke really good English

she just had her thick accent but she understood perfect so I start talking to her explained to her give her the model number of the TV and she's like oh yeah I have a base for that She's like, I'll tell you what, after talking to her for about 30 minutes. She's like, I'm going to send you this base for free. And I'm like, really?

She's like, yeah. And I'm like, okay, sure enough, like 10 days later, I hadn't received anything. So I call her back again. And I'm like, did you send it? She's like, oh, yeah, I send it out, I swear. So every, because she was the sole person in this department that ordered all the parts and shifts. Every time you would call, you would get her. Okay.

So I call her back. She's like, yeah, I promise. I mailed it. you know, all the stuff. Sure enough, as I'm on the phone with her, I swear to God, there's a knock at my door. It's the fucking UPS man. It's the fucking base to the TV.

As I'm on the phone with her asking like where it is, whatever, to open the door, fucking package on the porch. It's the base to this same new TV. Like, so I'm like, you won't believe this. It just came right now. Like, I'm on the phone with her. And she's like, oh, I'm so glad you got it, all this stuff. so she was so nice to me for sending me that base

from time to time I would call back and just talk to it okay just talked to yeah why she was at work okay because I at this point was stuck at home I had no car my aunt and I'd split up she took the truck I was at home basically all day every day had nothing to do lonely and I was fucking calling people man something to do and I'm calling this girl in fucking Mexico

because I'm using the 1-800 number for same yo so it's not like I'm dying and direct to Mexico, and talking to her. Come to find out her real name, I'll give you her first name. I couldn't even bear her fucking pronounce it. It was like Luadra, or Louie. So, but she said everybody calls me Lou Looly. So that's what I called him, Looly. So I would call back periodically from time to time. Well, talking on the phone while she was at work, um, turned into her and I emailing each other. then we emailed photos to one another so i saw what she looked like beautiful girl

about five foot tall you know built kind of like a gymnast long brown hair pretty face you know so we start and then i get her real phone number through the email so now i'm calling her in mexico on her cell phone and we're talking back and forth this goes on for a couple months then I had an iPad at the time She did not but her mom did So she goes to her mom's house one day And now she borrows her mom's iPad And we start video chatting

Now this is all over the course of like months This has all happened from TV base To now I'm video chatting with this girl That works for fucking saying you Right Nuts Okay And as we keep video chatting and stuff

Like I'm telling her about my life She's telling me about hers all this kind of shit and they celebrate pretty much the same holidays that we do in Mexico like Veterans Day like stuff like that they had that's considered a holiday over there as well

so there was a holiday coming up now I can't remember which holiday it was but she was going to have a long weekend from work and we've been talking about six months at this point and I said look if you'll

I'll cover half your plane ticket if you fly here okay I'd get my mom I'm involved. So. She agrees. So as I'm on video chat with her, I grabbed the phone. We call fucking Delta.

Book her a plane ticket. It was like 300. I mean, no, no, no. Scratch that. That was the rental car. It was like, it was like, all together. It was like $1,200 or something like that. It was some, because that's a far flight, dude. You know what I mean? Round trip. And I agreed to pay perhaps.

of it. And she would cover the rental car. Because I had no car. She knew that. You know? So we plan all this out. And the day that she's supposed to fly out, like I'm trying to call her and she's not picking up the phone. And I thought, oh, shit, she bailed.

You know what I mean? Finally she picks up the phone. And I did find out later on that she was considering not coming. You know, she was nervous, a braid, whatever. So, but we had been talking back and forth on video chat, almost like you were dating somewhere. We had talked about maybe, like, I was thinking about maybe moving to Mexico, like,

crazy shit. Because I just, I had nothing else going on in life. I didn't give a fuck. And I had no passport, but obviously, because I'm still a felon at this point back then. But she, you know, you can cross into Mexico, but I just couldn't come back because I had no passport. Yeah, but they're going to let you back. You're in a memory.

Well, yeah, yeah. But, um, so. the day comes I'd have my mom take me to fucking Columbus International Airport because I had no way to get there right and we're going to rent

a car from the airport once once I got there so all this anticipation all this shit right she had seen me live and in color for months on video chat it's not like I was a stranger she didn't know what I looked like right so fly up there that day I go to the terminal

I watch the whole fucking plane room load nope and I'm like so I call her cell phone she picks it up I'm like I'm standing here at the terminal where are you

oh I already got off the plane she had gotten off before I even got her she's like I'm an Enterprise rental car down blah blah blah at the end of the fucking thing so I haul out back through the fucking airport

down to Enterprise rental car turn the corner how'd you miss her I don't know she must have gotten off like right before I'd gotten there and I just through all the crowd of people

walked past her and didn't see her like said she was five foot tall you know what I mean like short little small thing uh so I'd bust ass back through the airport get down to where Enterprise is and it was all like surrounded by glass you know I turned the corner look through the fucking thing and there she is standing at the fucking counter of enterprise she sees me I see her I'm like you know run inside give each other a big fucking hug she's got a uh all she brought with her was a backpack she brought me authentic

Mexican homemade fucking tortillas for Mexico, in a backpack, flew with them. I always thought that was kind of cool. But here's the shitty part. So my mom sees that yes, the girl actually, my mom stayed this whole time to make sure that I had a, yes, and that I didn't, I had a way to get home because we were going to rent a car. So if my mom would have just left, I'd have been stuck at the fucking airport if this girl didn't show up. You know what I mean? Because at the time, I didn't even have a driver's license. Right. So, yeah, so I couldn't rent a car. I couldn't need them. so um why don't we have a private license because i i just had a id i my license had got suspended um for driving under suspension and like just i never got it reinstated you know basically just a lunatic yeah oh yeah yeah yeah i mean like i had um you could still go online you personally and look up a lot of i've got a if you try to pull up my traffic violation thing online like Like computer banks at fucking NASA light up.

Like, it's, they'll just print pages of stop sign and speeding and fucking whatever, dude. I've had a fuck ton of driving air suspensions and all kinds of shit. Crazy. So what happened? The girl. So, okay. So we get the, we get everything done at Enterprise. We go to go outside and we're standing there.

And I've been waiting months to see this girl in person, right? And we talked about dating all this done. so as we're standing there waiting for the guys from enterprise to bring the car up we'd rented like a dodged charger i think it was or something um uh no it was camry camry um i was excited to see her so like i hugged her again and i leaned in to kiss her and she pushes me away and goes whoa whoa and i thought oh okay and i'm like well that's kind of weird and i thought well she's been on an airplane all night long like she had brush her teeth. Maybe that's, maybe she's read about that or something. You know, I don't know. So we get in the car, we lead there, we go to Bob Evans restaurant to eat because she was hungry on the way home. And she's going to stay at my house, obviously, with me. Over the weekend and then go back to the airport and, you know, whatever, fly home. So we get to my house first day. We go

eat. We're talking back and forth. At this point, I'm still thinking everything's okay. we go to my house, get inside, and again, like, I'm kind of getting her settled, show her to bedroom, all this stuff. You know, we decided we were going to kind of take a nap, so I kind of get everything together. She'd been up all night flying, so we get ready to go back there and lay down and take a nap. And again, I tried to kiss her again, and she stops me again, and she goes, I just don't feel anything.

And I'm like, excuse me? And she's like, yeah, she's like, I just don't feel anything. And I'm like, well, how would you know? You haven't even, I'm like, well, you flew all the way here. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, and she's like, and she's like, you know, I just know myself and I just, I know myself and da da, da, and you can picture this in a Mexican accent. And she's like, I just don't feel anything. And I'm like, I'm fucking pit because I'm like, I paid half this plane ticket.

Like, I thought I was going to get laid, bro. Like, what are you doing? I understand. You fucking twat? Like, what are you doing? So, you know, like, I'm so goddamn mad. And she's like, well, we could even have sex. She's like, if you want, but I know that I'm not, I just don't feel anything.

And I'm like, I didn't know what to fucking do. Like, I was so upset, dude. And so I kind of just left her take a nap by herself. I did not go to sleep. I went out, called my mom. Like, I'm upset. I'm talking to her. The more upset I got, the more anger I got, the more angry I got.

I was like, okay, I'm not doing this. she wakes up from a nap and I said well you know I thought about what you said and I just can't do this either you need to go and she kind of just looked at me now she had bought a book

from the airport something to read right like a novel some thick thing from the bookstore okay that would become relevant in the minute so I'm like you just need to go I said this is I can't do this and she's like well I don't have money for a hotel I'm like I don't know what I'll tell you

you know like I like yeah I can't stay here with you for well we could still go out and do stuff together she was like we could have fun we could go you could show me around your town I'm like nah I'm like I don't want to know I'm so mad about spending the money and not getting late no so she leaves after about 30 minutes to Ardenneville she leaves I have I'm just freaking out I'm walking around the house and I look and there's that fucking book that she had bought right at the airport right about 20 minutes later I hear

on the fucking door I opened the door she came back for the fucking book for the fucking book she wanted in airport she came back to pick up she's like I left my book here I said here you fucking go honey

and gave her the book she left I don't know where she went I don't know if she back to Columbus and like I don't know what I'd never heard from her again six months of talking to this girl flew here from Mexico well she probably slept in the car for two days well but I see the way she acted where she was like I don't feel anything blah blah blah and all this kind of shit it almost seemed like to me she had told me before she came that she'd never been to Ohio but it almost seemed like she came here for another reason because like she wasn't into that with

mean, but, like, I don't know. It just seemed like maybe she came here, maybe she was going to be up with someone else, or meet up with someone else. I don't know. Because, you know, she's Mexican. Whatever. Who knows what the hell she's capable of what? You know what I mean? I don't know.

But... I don't know. I don't know how that has anything to do with it, but... Antifact her, Rattie. You know, she's fucking Mexican. She's dangerous. We don't know what's happening here. It's fucking maddenous. So, but she laid... and I never spoke to her again, never heard from her again.

I mean, I just, I flew a girl here from Mexico on a whim because I was lonely, and she had standards. Yeah, fucking, again, the rules applied to me. Yeah, the whole shit, yes, I know. There's eye standards. Yes, but she stole me on video chat. Soon as you and I are looking at each other now for months.

I didn't change one bit from what I am now to whatever, and she knew what I looked like, knew what I sounded like, I knew what she looked like. She probably swallowed some of those things, some of those, the Coke thing. Yeah. Using this as an excuse, she probably went to meet somebody

and, you know, went through her system, and she probably made bank. Well, like I said, never heard from her again. I don't know if she slept in a car. I didn't even fucking care at that morning. Sometimes those things pop inside there, inside them, and they don't get them out enough. Yeah.

Well, she'd have died on my car. In the woods, in her rented rental car, probably with that book sitting beside her. Probably. That fucking book, dude, it was some vampire kind of like Twilight novel or whatever. It's understandable that she went back for it.

Yeah, and it came back to ask for the fucking book. When I opened that fucking door and saw her, and she's like, unless my book here, like, I'll get it. Just a second. like pluck it come on man so yeah

it's upsetting yeah bro lead to her say listen you're not thinking this through I'm papers you know yeah potentially I'm papers dude and I asked her about that

after she said I don't feel anything I was like but you and I talked about living together she's like well I think you're a super nice person she's like I'd like see you get be happy and be get somewhere you're back on track she's like I would let you with me. She actually said that dude. Like, we had a conversation

about that, but she had just decided at that point after, like, well, no, I'm not into you now. Even though we had talked about all kinds of things, sex and every fucking thing else on video chat for months. You know, women, they're I know, but how many

people you know that started with a phone call and ended up flying a fucking girl here from Mexico? Like, no, not a lot. It's a... Just your boy. Yeah. Yeah, fucking winner, winner, chicken dinner, buddy. Yeah, winner.

Yeah, I don't know why it didn't work out. Dude. Yeah. And there was a little bit of an age difference. I see, and too, let's see. Oh, well, I would have been I think 30 or something, then I think she was 20-something.

So not that big a deal. Yeah, yeah, not that big a deal, but still, you know. But yeah, good old Luli slash Meredith from Sanyo Television Corporation. Yeah. Tijuana, Mexico. Incorporated. Fuck.

Listen. Yeah. Yeah. As much as I want to stay on this call. Two hours, I know, room. I hear. Yeah. I know.

I have a dinner date that I didn't make yesterday. I heard you on the live last night. you didn't go no because it was so she's like it's so late we're right iron and this and this and you know so we ended up not going we ended up what did we eat chicken and broccoli um what was it healthy choice yeah healthy choice yeah oh do you know what i had for dinner last nine a cigarette and a rental no no no close uh i i enjoy living by myself you know there's no tell you what to do. So I got a mixing bowl out of the cabinet and ate an entire

box of peanut butter, Captain Crunch, and a half a gallon of milk. Yeah. It was amazing. Where are you, Ohio, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's seen, you know, the thing about guys like this is they seem cool to hang out with.

Dude, I am cool. He won't know. Because then you realize, like, after a few hours, you're like, well, this is the maniac. Yeah, but here's, let me tell you the kind of person I am. I knew I can tell I can tell right off the rip if I'm willing to get along with somebody being in all seriousness and yes I've always

been the kind of person that you either love me or you hate me there's no in between and it does usually take people a couple years to get used to me and then they'll be like oh well that's just Jack you know what I mean a couple years yeah but I'm the most loyal

fucker you could ever want is a friend bro like I I'm a good dude and I don't have you a lot of friends and stuff like that. And yes, I am loyal. Fuck that guy that I wore a while. I'm not a shit's going to say. What about that guy?

He wasn't my friend. He was my fucking bread dealer. He wasn't my friend. Listen, I'm with you. Yeah. What's the right thing. You just, Josh? Josh, I still talk to him to this day.

He's a cop. Yeah, but I still talk to him to this day that we're still friends after all of those years. Listen, you did the right thing I'm not judging I know, I'm on your side But I'm with you Yeah, I don't, yeah That guy ended up

The guy that he got his dad He ended up getting busted for meth later on And all kinds of shit I mean, he's, I don't even know If he's still alive He's been to prison, I know I've heard through the grapevine At least a couple times

You probably saved his life Maybe And you probably say he probably, you know He may have died Two weeks later or something You probably extended his life probably helped his dad out. He's dad if he saw you

to this day, would probably thank you. Well, I am an angel. Jets, you can come say, I for you. I get off here so that you can at least I can see you. God damn it. Dip your fucking head in here. Come here.

How you doing, hon? It's good to meet you. I'm sure you've been listening to this old madness for two hours. She's walked in and periodically and shook her head. Did it go all right? She peeks over and looks at,

she peeks over and looks Yeah But you can't Yeah Yeah Did it go all right though man Yeah

It would good It was good Yeah I think somebody I'd get a kick out of it You know what I mean Yeah I mean I know that compared to your life

And like both Like Boziacs and stuff It was like obviously From the town I'm from It is a crazy life that I've had But compared to you know Yes you or Boziac or whatever No it's not been that crazy

You know You're a character And you're upbeat And you're upbeat I'll take somebody upbeat, they can tell their story instead, as opposed to somebody who's monotone and tells

this, you know, fantastical you know, crime story, but they're monotone and you're just like, Jesus, bro, like, this is horrible. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You'll never believe what happened. Oh, yeah. No, I'm animated as fuck. I'm like, yeah. And I, your last, yeah, the last thing I want to tell you is about the

dealer from, from Columbus. I mentioned you on the phone. this guy lived in these apartments he was a white boy I still to this day don't know he's a real name all I ever heard anyone call him was Ziggy he had two missing front teeth

he had all his other teeth and they weren't gold or platinum or whatever the fuck but just two no front teeth like you know and carried a Glock in his fucking hoodie pocket everywhere he went and had hair standing straight the fuck up on his head

like a messy version of fucking shit play or something dude if you can imagine that like and was a big heavy set guy and like I told you before all the fucking guy did was play sole calm Navy Seals on PlayStation that's right you told that's all he

fucking cared about dude in life was soul calm that's it and smoked new ports like they were fucking going out of style like that's it and I still did I don't know whatever happened to him you know whatever but like Ziggy like what the fuck

you know maybe you should look at it well you can't look him up I don't want to look him no no no no because when I actually did get busted he uh I owed him a little money at the time uh he was I was buying for him

but also I built such a relationship with him and I bought so much that if I needed a front he'd front me and else whatever no problem so not that it's a big amount of money now but I owed him about a thousand bucks which but to a dealer thousand bucks you know what I mean so um

I remember when I got out of jail there's a voicemail on my phone for him saying Hey bro I hope you don't think I forgot about that thousand dollars He's like you need to get up with me and pay me this money And like I was like I'm done dude Like I changed my number like I just I was old I didn't want no part of that life plus

Owing him a grand and then going back up to give it to him Who knows what because I had owed him for so long Who knows what he would have done to me You know what I mean? So I just you've been arrested He knew you had been arrested Yeah Yeah, at that current

That he would call you at all? Well, that harm So the time in the Columbus Where the first time I got caught Where the car got impounded He did not know I told him that my phone broke And that's why I hadn't called him for a week

What I got Yes, he fucking heard about it And I thought dude There's no way You know what I mean But it was so crazy man It's that he would call Even call and say

Yeah Yeah It was I mean I had people in this fucking town buying shit for me that worked at pharmacies around here. I had a girl that would fudge the books and literally trade me unopened

bottles, pharmaceutical side bottles of Xanax and fucking yellow Perk Tens, the big giant school bus, percocet. Trade them to me, sealed. And for, you know, half ounce of blood, whatever, and then I'd take them up to the city and trade him. Like, it was fucking crazy.

It was nuts. So, yeah. All right. All right. I'd love to talk to you again sometime, man. All right. I'd love to talk to you again, though, if you ever need anything. Right.

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numerous encounters with bank security, state, and federal authorities. Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's most wanted list and led the U.S. Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase, while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greene. Bloomberg Business Week called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar. Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best.

Shark in the housing pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his Stranger Than Fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible. Bent is the story of John J. Boziak's phenomenal life of crime. Inked from head to toe, with an addiction to strippers and fast Cadillacs, Boziac was not your typical computer geek. He was, however, one of the most cunning scammers, counterfeiters, identity thieves, and escape artists alive. And a major thorn in the side of the U.S. Secret Service has

they fought a war on cybercrime. With a savant-like ability to circumvent banking security and stay one step ahead of law enforcement, Boziak made millions of dollars in the international cyber underworld, with the help of the Chinese and the Russians. Then, leaving nothing but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned-out bank account in his wake, he vanished. Boziak's stranger-than-fiction tale of ingenious scams and impossible escapes, of brazen run-ins with the law and secret desires to straighten out and settle down, makes his story a true crime con game that will keep you guessing. Bent.

How a Homeless Team became one of the cybercrime industry's most prolific counterfeiters. Available now on Amazon and Audible. Buried by the U.S. government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amadeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already. embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government. Money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world. From Amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of Florida's Disney

world, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the Internal Revenue Services funds, Amadeo acquired multiple businesses, amassing a mega conglomerate. Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory. He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over one million Africans strong. Simultaneously, Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the U.S. government not thwarted his plans, might have just pulled it off.

It's insanity. The bizarre, true story of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world domination. Available now on Amazon and Audubord. Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old, Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the organized crime drug enforcement task force entered the picture.

Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Racini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, or murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Racini at Leavenworth Penitentiary, and another story emerged. A tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Rossini knew something that no one else knew. The truth.

And Robert Mueller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil exposed. A twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the city of Angel. available on Amazon and Audible. Bailout is a psychological true crime thriller that pits a narcissistic con man against an egotistical, pathological liar. Marcus Schrenker, the money manager

who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis, is about to be released from prison, and he's ready to talk. He's ready to tell you the story no one's heard. Shrinker sits down with true crime writer, Matthew B. Cox, a fellow inmate serving time for bank fraud. Shrinker lays out the details,

the disgruntled clients who persecuted him for unanticipated market losses, the affair that ruined his marriage, and the treachery of his scorned wife, the woman who framed him for securities fraud, leaving him no choice but to make a bogus distress call and plunge from his multi-million dollar private aircraft in the dead of night.

The $11.1 million in life insurance, the missing $1.5 million in gold. The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is, Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his stories of fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and yes, Khan's Shrinker into revealing his deceptions, his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels. This is the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. Bailout. The Life and Lies of Marcus Shrinker.

Available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Audubes. Matthew B. Cox is a conman, incarcerated in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for a variety of bank fraud-related scams. Despite not having a drug problem, Cox inexplicably ends up in the prison's residential drug abuse program, known as Ardap. A drug program in name only. Ardap is an invasive behavior modification therapy, specifically designed to correct the cognitive thinking errors associated with criminal behavior. The program is a non-fiction dark comedy which chronicles Cox's side-splitting journey. This first-person account is a fascinating glimpse at the survival-like atmosphere inside of the government-sponsored rehabilitation unit. While navigating the treachery of his backstabbing peers, Cox simultaneously manipulates prison policies and the bumbling staff every step of the way.

The program. How a conman survived the Federal Bureau of Prisons cult of Ardap. Available now on Amazon and Audible. If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.