Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - They Sentenced Me To 130 Years By Mistake!

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You got a black man, his death has been labeled a suicide when everything shows you it's not. It's kicked to the side because, you know, who the suspect is and who her family is. I got a can't fool. He's still locked up right now with 130 years. The same sentence that I used to have. And he's innocent. I've been a hustler before I knew what a hustler was. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:00:21 In elementary school, I'm selling candy bars. I'm going to the store, getting nine letters and starbursts breaking the pack down before I knew what was? Right. I mean, chilling peace is coming back for more money. Junior high school, I kind of began to elevate my hustle mentality
Starting point is 00:00:39 and my first distractions of the streets. A certain guy I knew sold drugs. You can't at school fly. I can't chew on with a proposition. I took my candy money. You know what I said? Hey, look, man, I give you 200.
Starting point is 00:00:55 You know what I mean? You go do what you do? And we split the profit. But he was like, cool. He went to do what he did. And I began to trinkle down the path of, like, more negativity with my hustle mindset. You feel what I'm saying? That mindset led to me getting active in that world.
Starting point is 00:01:19 At a young age, it was, I didn't have a long career at a young age, but I got activated at a young age in that field. But the lifestyle I was living, you know, I'm playing sports. Right. You know, I'm a good kid, basically. I'm not in the streets, so it didn't really fit me. I wasn't going to nobody hood to post up or anything like that. So I switched my hustle to marijuana.
Starting point is 00:01:46 How does this progress? So your, my mind frame is morphin, right? Manifestation is real. I'm thinking about, you know, so-and-so that pushed to work and got the nice whip. I'm thinking about so-and-so that indeed so-and-so in the streets and people look at him a certain way. This is what revolving around my mindset. So I start to become that. Start to become that. As I start getting in the field, you know, getting my money or whatnot, I got to protect my money. You know what I mean? So I kind of had something to protect my money.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Right. I just began, man, to slowly to slowly morph into somebody that's not me. Right. I don't glorify that lifestyle. And it's crazy because the lifestyle is so glorified that I feel like subconsciously, it does cause me to move and say and be a certain way for the perception. But we shouldn't applaud it. But because the masses applauded, it's like it's still hit your core or some kind of way, right? I got to move with this thing now. Guys can't think you're sweet. Right. I might not even use it. Who knows? But you need to know that I got it. Everybody else has one. And you need to think that I will use it.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Right. So I'm being a certain character. My clay is being molded. With the figure that I'm creating, the image I'm creating, and what my destiny is all about. You feel me? But at the time, that's what it is. So boom, I catch a gun case.
Starting point is 00:03:18 I go to the feds. How do you catch a gun case? How does that happen? You get pulled over, you know. Okay, so bam. And it's crazy because this certain side of town that I had my biggest collision with, at the time I catch my gun case, that's where I'm with. But everything was good.
Starting point is 00:03:40 Right. You know what I'm saying? They had already did some activities later in the day that I didn't know about. It's like a robbery or they had an issue with somebody else? You know, they got opposition in the streets, you know, different rival neighborhoods. from certain situations and it'd be on site. So there's some beef. It was a sport.
Starting point is 00:04:00 It was a sport. That's the other team. Let me take a shot. See if I scored. That's what it was, for real. But they was having their sport later in the daytime. And I'm not knowing they'd been hooping earlier. And they come pick me up.
Starting point is 00:04:14 And it's just natural to ride with the thing. Right. Right. So I hop in a car, you know, with the thing. We're riding by a popular gas station. Amico, third for name. It was like the strip back in the day. And I heard somebody say, like the police, something about the police.
Starting point is 00:04:33 So we turned into the lot. Turn into the lot. Park at a gas pump. Everybody get out. I got my fire on me. Right. The police ain't made it into the lot yet. So I'm so, it's a Glock, man.
Starting point is 00:04:47 Oh, my God. It was so in love with this gun that when I go in the store. I knew the dude that worked there. When I go in the store, I don't even say like, okay, put it behind the chips or whatever and just be cool. I'm like, look, they didn't see me get out the car. I'm cool. I'm keeping my thing on me.
Starting point is 00:05:04 When they move around and I move around. I'm in the store. The cop come inside the store. He say, at you, number five, I had on the Fulbu journey. Right. It's how long ago it was. He said, step outside real quick. So I step outside that, you know, they're looking at the car.
Starting point is 00:05:25 I'm like, I wasn't in that car. had called my can't folk like hey pull up no right this was going on so when they pulled me out the store by that time she had pulled it up i'm like i'm not in that car i said this my ride over here right but they still kind of keep me to the sidewalk and they're looking into the call i got out the car so fast i had a blunt in the door handle or the passenger door handle to where i didn't take it with me when i went to store right so when they're doing this with the flashlight they see the blunt yeah That's probable cause to search who they believe was in his vehicle. So they started patting down the guy, you know, to the left of me.
Starting point is 00:06:06 And the guy that was in between us and when they was doing that, the whole time I was getting already ready to, you know what I mean? I took flight, bam. Okay. You know what I mean? I take flight, bam. My cousin, I see her eyes in my side view. She's like, oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:06:24 So they're behind me, right? and why they behind me the whole time I'm reaching because I know I got to get this thing off me. Get rid of it, yeah. I got to get it off me, but I ain't going to expose it, but I'm getting it ready. So as soon as I hit a blind spot, I can do what I got to do.
Starting point is 00:06:38 I don't run across the street behind a store across another street behind a bank, and I just can't get that pathway to, you know, do my thing. So at the last minute, I turned a corner behind the bank and I throw it. I don't know if they see me, if they didn't see me. You know what I mean? But I throw it.
Starting point is 00:06:54 Boom. It's like a bush, but it's a kind. treat bush by this it's a push on top of concrete you know by the side of a store and uh i throw it across another street by burry king and they just tackle me you know tackle the shit out of me and uh i'm thinking i'm cool they did a scan of the perimeter found a gun defaced firearm and uh i did a fed time for that you know 46 months in the feds because you're a felon yeah because you're a felon possession of firearm exactly 46 months yeah So listen, this is where you're serious at.
Starting point is 00:07:29 And I do my fed time. My younger brother gets caught up in a sticky situation, one that I'm not going to speak on at all. I'm not going to speak on it, not to deny the viewers of this core substance, but I've been home four years now, right? I came home with a book, a book series. doing podcast, pumping my story.
Starting point is 00:08:00 And throughout pumping my story, without it being my intent, I have harmed so many people because through sharing my story, I'm sharing events that people have grieved through. Okay, right? But I have been part of these events. So I'm sharing my experiences,
Starting point is 00:08:19 but me sharing my experiences is grieving you again, right? and I come to the point to, man, to where I value relationships more than advertisement. Right. Right. So I'm going to move forward with my story respectful enough, like respect to the max, enough to where me sharing it don't cause you tears
Starting point is 00:08:47 or emotional, whatever. Okay. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. So that's fine. I ain't going to share the details of that. But he got a situation to where, hey, he's kind of like a target. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:02 We know a certain, you know, area guys want to get action, you know, with him. When I'm going, during my time, he's going doing this time. We come home approximately the same time I came home two months before he did. So when he come home, let me not go too far. His story is about bro. Right. So let me dive a little deeper into bro. Bro is, man, stand-up dude, genuine dude, funny dude.
Starting point is 00:09:32 You know what I mean? How you cracking up? At the same time, he only isn't messing with. You know that, hey, this ain't a dude to try like that. Music, he's a beast. He's the reason that I even, like, experimented with music. You know, I'm seeing that as bro's outlet to being, his bell self one day.
Starting point is 00:09:56 You know, so stepping into the lane for him, I end up picking up a craft of my own, but, you know, initially it was more so like so I can push this music and broken shine in his own light. Do you use Bitcoin? I think one of the biggest mistakes people make with Bitcoin
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Starting point is 00:10:58 Bitcoin services by Block Inc. See the Bitcoin disclosures at Cash App slash Legal slash podcast. Like I said, he come home. Activities is going on. So it's like we move and chasing this dream with one foot. but the other foot is like still being tugged into the streets. We don't want it to be there, but it's like we got to be ready to plant our foot because we know that it is there, right?
Starting point is 00:11:33 Me and bro, we end up putting out our first city together. DB and Ra Ra, Talk of the Streets. I mean, this was a huge accomplishment. When I tell you, huge accomplishment, it's like we was them guys, man, you know? I remember when I went and picked up the CDs, you know, you know, boxes of them and when I got back to the crib called Bro Outside. I mean, we sliced them things over, man, and just seeing
Starting point is 00:12:03 ourselves, you know, on the cases of these CDs, it's like, man, we're the best product out here, right? So we in the streets all day, you know, celebrating, you know, selling our CDs prematurely. So what do you mean prematurely? Because the release. date for the CEs, it wasn't that we just received them in the mail. Right.
Starting point is 00:12:24 But we had already advertised the release date, I believe, was July 7th, 2007, 2007. But we have received them on June 28th, right? Yeah. So we still got some time to actually release them. But we got them. So we just in the streets and like, you know, doing our thing, right? Yeah. Let me tell you about this day.
Starting point is 00:12:44 This is like how you know there's something up there, man, that really be like pulling the strange for we go on down here. We don't know what's going to happen the next day. But this day, we get to see these early. We in traffic. As soon as we get in traffic, my bro, DB, he see like his high school sweetheart. Like, at that time, if there's the most important woman in his life, even though they weren't together, it was a certain woman, right? And we've seen her randomly, right? tried to get her to buy the CD and she said she didn't have no money right whatever but we seen her oh we pulled off from her we see moms you know me and bro same mom uh it was special i say because you know we was moving and grooving in the street so much to where it's like we would see her
Starting point is 00:13:36 separately she might stop by the house one of us is there or whatever or we might stop by her house but we're not together uh but we did see her together but it was more so plain but we did see her together but it was more so You know what I mean? Like, hey, bro, just go check her mom. This day was randomly, right? We driving out of the street. We see moms. You know, we flashed CDs on her or whatever.
Starting point is 00:13:58 We pulled over, she had a daycare. We pull over to her daycare. You know, we get rid of CDs, tell her to put them up. You know what I mean? This one, listen to, this one put up for like a souvenir. And we know, we tell her, bro did most of the, you know, talking to her, like, hey, we're going to make you rich, you know what I mean? Like, like, mom, you ain't got to worry about nothing, right?
Starting point is 00:14:15 Right. boom we pull off from my house I don't know I don't remember which order but we see my dad me and bro got different dad we see my dad he had a car watch
Starting point is 00:14:26 he was so funny he had two girls watching this car and he was kind of like trying to flex provided or whatnot we see pops uh huh you know what I mean
Starting point is 00:14:36 I ain't gonna lie we sold pops a CD Pops bought a CD after we see my pops we see his pops like literally like two blocks apart. Car wash here,
Starting point is 00:14:48 Daly's Ligger store here. We sell his pops a CD. You know, I mean, we get in traffic, the number one guy that is activities with. We see him. I've got to stop light. Yeah, sell him a CD.
Starting point is 00:15:03 Bro said, hey, nigga, do you want to buy one of these? Me and sauce in the car row. We pull off. Of course, you don't buy one. We pull off. Bam, next day. I got a contract with the CD store.
Starting point is 00:15:24 It's homers. It's like a regional, I think they're regional. They might be a CD store. I got a contract with them for them to sell the music. I get up early in the morning, grab some products, some CDs to take to their store. So the street I live on, it's like a dead end, L-shaped intersection at the end.
Starting point is 00:15:47 I pull off I hit the L of the intersection and as I'm pulling up to the actual intersection I'm supposed to turn left so I can go drop off these CDs to this store but I get a phone call for my sister
Starting point is 00:16:01 she con as I am too because what she's about to say is some bullshit she said bro she said get over to your bro house I'm about oh old girl just called talking about he's trying to hang yourself
Starting point is 00:16:17 I say, what? Man, what? Is you bullshit or what? No, I don't know what she just told me. All right, I'm going to call her. Some bullshit. I know it's some bullshit. Before I could call the girl, who is the girl?
Starting point is 00:16:37 It's supposed to be a girlfriend. Okay. At the time. My mom is calling me. My mom is crying. She's distraught. This ain't no calm energy. said, I'm going to get over to the house
Starting point is 00:16:51 like Tyrese, Tyrese Like what the fuck Like now hold on my emotions Getting stirred This shit's seeming too real I hang up with her I called a girl Hey what's going on over there
Starting point is 00:17:05 Tyrese is trying To hang himself My sister said trying I don't know if I skipped that Yeah, no you said trust Okay but now the girl is saying He's trying to hang itself Like this word trying
Starting point is 00:17:20 What the fuck do you mean he's trying? It's not an emergency then. Bitch, I'm sorry. Go stop him. Right. Right? So if she's talking about he's trying, I hang up on her. I called her 911.
Starting point is 00:17:31 I was just thinking, why don't you call him the police? Because this shit ain't real. Hold on. Not you, but if physically her, if she can't stop a grown man, then why aren't you calling the police? Yes. And we're going to get into that. Okay. Right.
Starting point is 00:17:43 So bam, I hang up on her. I call 911. Get over to such and such address. You know, some emergency going on. My saying it just don't even feel right, sound right. Like, this shit just ain't making sense. I'm with my guy at the time. My guy, Jojo, he was driving.
Starting point is 00:17:57 I'm like, I'm smacking a dash. I'm like, nigga, drive, you know what I mean? He's gone, boom. We pulled up to the house, same time the ambulance did. And it's so pissed me off so much. We pull up. They get out the thing, all casual and, like, having side talking. And what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:18:14 It's an emergency here. I've rushed up. Boom. Like, hey, man, get in the house. Like for real. Right. So boom. I followed them in the house.
Starting point is 00:18:25 When I get in the house, I see moms, man. Moms is like sliding down the wall. Like one of them scary movie kind of vibes, you know, horrific type shit. She's sliding down the wall like crying. In my mind, why is she doing that? Right. This that shit ain't real. Nah, chill out.
Starting point is 00:18:44 You know this can't happen to us. Bam. I started going down the stairs. I see bro. Bro laying there like he's sleep. I'm halfway down the stairs. He's like at the bottom of the stairs off to the left a little bit. He laying there like he's sleep.
Starting point is 00:19:04 It was peaceful. It didn't feel traumatic. It was like he going to wake up. Yeah. But I see him as a couple of my guys that was around. My sister, they was closer. They got there before me. And, you know, everybody's in the same energy.
Starting point is 00:19:17 Like, man, like, it ain't a good vibe. But the girl, this supposed to be your boyfriend. You ain't up close, grieving on the ground crying. She's in the cut. Like this covered, like more so watching people. I don't see the emotion in her face, right? But so much is going on to where that ain't my focal point. My focal point is bro.
Starting point is 00:19:43 They get a post on bro. Percy didn't have a post. They get a post on bro. Man, my guy, sauce would go outside. We need to drive what? And sauce like, sauce like, and we got to start kicking it with DB more, man,
Starting point is 00:19:58 when he, when he come out the hospital. I said, nigger, we fucking DB up when he get out the hospital. And I ain't going to say it like too aggressively because bro had them hands. And for real, he was a little brother, but he was bigger than me.
Starting point is 00:20:11 We ain't ever had no kind of clash like that. But, hey, if I was victorious, if he was not my brother, it wouldn't be an easy time. Bro, it's like that. You know what I mean? So I ain't saying it like we was going to fuck, up like that.
Starting point is 00:20:23 Right. But because of what's going on what I didn't heard nigger, you gotta whip me then because I'm gonna by to see about you. You did this? That's the only reality
Starting point is 00:20:32 I had to tap into at the time was he tried to do this to itself. So we get to the hospital. They got them on the machine and all of that. We are like taking turns
Starting point is 00:20:48 to go to the back to see him because it's a lot of us and, you know, whatever. So at this time, my sister is back there seeing them. My sister comes from the back and tell me, like, hey, come here. You got to see this. I'm like, what? She's like, come here.
Starting point is 00:21:09 She got the serious vibe about her. We go back there. She pulled his sheets off of him. His knees scarred up. Please remind me to send you the pictures. This ain't just talk. Okay. His knees scarred up.
Starting point is 00:21:24 His shins, one of his shins is scraped. To me, I say, man, like he'd been droids down the stairs, that's the first thought to come to me. You know what I mean? He was found in the basement, too. His hands, like blood splatter on the backside of his fingers and on his fingernails and up under his nails, bro is getting down with somebody.
Starting point is 00:21:47 Right. It's ain't no goddamn me. I already knew that, though. I just needed to hear it. I needed to see the outlet for something else so that I can really grasp onto it. So bam, I'm going to fast forward just a little bit. Some more clues.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Not only the wounds he had on him, but it came to be that the woman who was there when he was allegedly hanging himself, when they asked her what occurred, like not take her in for questioning for interrogation, but he was at the house. just tell us what occurred. You're not a suspect.
Starting point is 00:22:25 She lies about her name. Okay, so if your boyfriend just honk yourself, what, what goddamn he triggers you to lie about your name? Bam, we see the wounds on the hospital. We take the girl phone.
Starting point is 00:22:42 She's there playing the row. We take the girl phone, her call on. Before she called my mom or my sister, Now, listen, I don't remember the exact order of this, but it was she placed a private phone call, like Preston Star 6, 7, and she also received a private phone call. Okay, before one of those private phone calls, I mean, before ever calling my sister or making her reach out to the family of police, before that phone call, one of her private calls took place. All right? Right.
Starting point is 00:23:15 She got the private phone call or made it or received it, I don't know which way. and then she made the call to my sister. Then she made the call to my mom. I'm looking at her call log, all right? Next on her call log is me calling her, all right? After that call, there was another private call, and then there was 911. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:41 Why you got room for all of these extra phone calls anyway if this is an emergency? on top of that what's up with the private phone calls why are you pressing star six, seven? Your boyfriend laying down here supposed to be lifeless and you mean to tell me you get on your phone and press star six seven
Starting point is 00:24:00 and who are those going to? Never found out. Okay. Fast forward to my trial, they did all their research, all their detective work. You know what I mean? Who the phone calls was going to?
Starting point is 00:24:14 Don't know who the phone calls went to when this I'm going to get too far ahead but we're going to backtrack they don't know who the phone calls is is tied to
Starting point is 00:24:27 when this white woman is caught up in her situation okay and the result is death but fast forward when the result ain't death
Starting point is 00:24:42 but the result is this white woman was wounded And listen, dude, I ain't nothing about me, racist, but I see the racism in this situation, right? Black guy die, white woman suspect. You don't know who the cause is to. White woman harmed, survived. You find out who every call is to. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:12 You feel what I'm saying? Her dad was best friends with a homicide detective. All right, but I went too far. Now, let's back it up. Okay. So your brother, he's still in the hospital. Right. You've got her phone.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Did you guys ever, did you ask her what the, who are these going to? So listen, I ain't going to lie to you. I told you earlier in my interview, the streets that kind of warped me. And I'm not that guy. I'm not that, I'm not that you see me run and be scared. Like, I'm, that's not my energy, right? But I mean, even a coward do the most treacherous type of shit So it don't matter what you are at your core
Starting point is 00:25:50 I guess people knew that I would do certain things if it pushed to the limit And the situation came That pushed me to the limit I was my scariest then People were scared to talk to me right Back up hospital Boom we see what's going on
Starting point is 00:26:15 We see that this ain't no so in my thug mentality and my thug mentality and my wannabe Superman mentality but Superman to my culture didn't always mean doing something good right but my people was gonna be good when I did what I did
Starting point is 00:26:36 I said man I'm about this it's evident it's in my face I'm about this I gotta you know what they say if you catch your spouse cheating or something they can say that it's um oh yeah it's a crime of passion Crime of fashion. So you're overwhelmed at the moment.
Starting point is 00:26:51 I was about to have me a crime of passion at the hospital. Right. Like, for real. So I hollet my guy, Sauce, my aunt, Kubosi. You know what I mean? I tell him what it was about to go down. And, you know, if Sauce had it at this, ain't no crime take place with this situation. So, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:27:09 I can speak on that. I get the thing. And I go upstairs. Why to be Superman? The girl is gone. my auntie and told the girl, like, you need to get her out of here. She's the church woman. You know, she, whatever.
Starting point is 00:27:27 She felt the vibe. Nobody told her. Yeah, yeah. She just knew things were going bad. You guys had the phone. Yeah. You could sense it. Intuition.
Starting point is 00:27:35 You feel something. Something's about the way. She felt something. I mean, I get off the elevator. It's like my soul is escalating at the time, right? Because I know as soon as the elevator open, I don't know if it's right there on the spot. I don't know what it looked like. but I know that upon contact with this woman who stole my brother from me,
Starting point is 00:27:56 I'm about to do her in. Gender don't matter. Like I said in another podcast, when they come to taking her love when gender don't matter. So I get up this elevator like I'm about to do her in. She's gone. Hold up. Let me say this right now. Because after other interviews and stuff like that,
Starting point is 00:28:15 I tell myself, be conscious of the message you're spreading. Come on, man. ain't no glorification. And I got to mean that when I say that ain't no glorification on the act committed, right? That's the background of this story. The forefront of this story is you've got a black man who has been, his death has been labeled aside when everything shows you it's not. And it's like it's kicked to the side because, you know, who the suspect is and who her family is.
Starting point is 00:28:45 You know what I mean? And also the forefront of this story is, I got a canfo. we're going to get off into it that's locked up right now with the same sentence I had and he's innocent these are the forefront topics what I did ain't no gangster shit I let a woman survive okay so what what what happens after you you get up there she's not there you you just try and look for her you guys what did they what is there a detective does it the cops come at all do they do any investments I mean so I might ramble a little bit the the doctors told us he didn't hang himself there is no internal neck trauma there is no trauma to
Starting point is 00:29:29 the neck right how he didn't hang himself the police yeah we talked to the cops understand me the police told us the girl I ain't gonna say her last name because I don't know how much leeway I got but they say the blank girl has been known about other situations whatever with boyfriends or whatnot so I believe this may be before I don't know if it's before after him in my mind is all over the place. But, you know, when I wanted to, you know, confront her or whatnot, I get off the elevator, man, she's nowhere in sight.
Starting point is 00:30:01 Now, we're just like in limbo mode, right? And while we're in limbo mode, he's on a machine. So can he snap back or can he not? Right. It's in the air. The doctors came out and said that he had been, his brain had been too long without oxygen. Right.
Starting point is 00:30:26 And the damage sustained was irreversible. Man, you don't even understand the place I went to. Like I disappeared, shriveled up, melted down, like poured into a hole, and it was dark. And I was just there for a minute. I remember sitting in the car that night. A guy was at the hospital when my bro was
Starting point is 00:30:57 going through that transitioning phase and remember he asked me if I wanted a drink, said he has a drink in the car and I was like, no, man, cool. I got on the elevator. I said, fuck that. I said, fuck that. I threw him the drink. I said, yeah, let me get that. Boom. Go downstairs to the car.
Starting point is 00:31:17 I'm sitting in the driver's seat of his car. My girlfriend. My baby mom, shit was complicated. My baby mom was in the past passenger seat and uh remember i always started i was drinking and i just start praying out loud in an angry fashion talking to god you know very angrily pose myself real quick because i just remembered that feeling uh i'm talking to god very angrily like god how like whatever like give me whatever in my path next, man. Just don't do this.
Starting point is 00:32:06 Just don't do this right here. And he did it. Hey, this is crazy. I thought I was past the emotional stage. Man, this shit crazy. I remember getting mad, praying, but in the angry way, and ask them to change it and tell them I'll take on whatever.
Starting point is 00:33:00 If you change it, it's stuck. And that's when I got stuck. Like I said, man, I ain't no bad dude or nothing. But, uh, I got to get it together, though. I'm tripping. You want to take a break? No, I'm cool.
Starting point is 00:33:25 We're going to keep rolling. She said, men could cry. Shit. But I get stuck, though. And it's just whatever. It's just whatever. Anybody with everybody. And they had a problem from an office in kindergarten.
Starting point is 00:33:43 And it didn't matter. But there was a certain section. That was kind of in the leeway of that activity, man, due to the, you know, sticky situation that bro was caught in before. So we kind of had, you know, numerous clashes with the same people. But, you know, it was so many stories, man, in the streets. That what could have took place, you know, this from that. And, you know, they had a problem about, you know, this situation.
Starting point is 00:34:19 And the girl dad didn't like them because of, you know, this. or whatever, and there's stuff I haven't heard from the neighbors. Like, I got so many different stories, man. Everybody that had a bone to pick aren't guilty. And I came to one conclusion
Starting point is 00:34:42 that one person that is guilty is the woman that was there. Right. You know what I mean? And I really hate that part of my story that I believe, I think my most, you know, egregious act was, like, against a woman, you know? I don't like that. But like I said, man, that you can't get a pass, though.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Shit, you didn't flip-flop my whole, you didn't flip-flop my whole motherfucking life, my family life, like, you can't get no past, shit. So after my random aggression phase ended, it was just like, hey, listen, got to get back on track. You know what I mean? And whatever life bring you to, it bring you to. And it just so happened that a situation dropped on my lap that I felt like could remedy, you know, all the pain and grief that. that I have been going through, then my mama had been going through, that my kids have been going through,
Starting point is 00:35:54 then my sisters have been going through. By the gym, I get a file call. Kenfolk got her. Like, not I see her. Hey, she's over by such and such. Right. Man, this dude called me, saying, hey, right?
Starting point is 00:36:15 Hey, so listen, Kenfolk got her. So I'm in the gym. I'm like, what the fuck just happened? I'm walking back and forth, right, on the phone. And they got the footage, like, you'll see this. I'm walking back and forth on the phone. Like, I'm just in shock, like, what? And then I'm on the way.
Starting point is 00:36:39 That's it. So, bam. You know, I'm trying to find a spot, you know, to do my desire plan at, and it was kind of dropped on me, so it wasn't just like I just know the spot. So while we're trying to find a spot, my can't fog. Now I'm leading into how you got an innocent man locked up, how they got an innocent man locked up.
Starting point is 00:37:03 I get a call from my can't fog, man. And he tells me like, man, pull up, he's like, pull up on me. So it's my can't fuck sauce. He's still locked up right now with 130 years, the same sentence that I used to have. I pulled up on him, and he's like, hey, man. He's like, hey, leave that shit. lead that shit alone.
Starting point is 00:37:25 It's a no-go. You know what I mean? He told me what's going on. So when Reilly, kidnapper, who's sauce his brother, he kidnaps her, he had a couple of female cousins with him when he did it. And those two female cousins
Starting point is 00:37:43 end up taking a girl car using her credit cards at like gas stations and McDonald's and shit, right? Okay. So they left a paper trail before anything even that. happened, right? So Sons got, he got this information, however he got it. And he called me when I pulled up on him, like, hey, man, like, it ain't no good, right? So mind you again, man,
Starting point is 00:38:08 I ain't no dark dude. I ain't no horrific dude. Ain't nobody scared when I walk in the room, but in that situation, you know, that's just the energy I was in. I'm hearing what he's saying. and it's sinking in, but that other energy ain't fully asleep. My logic is trying to click in, like, leave that alone. And that's what I say. I said, I said, I, I, but I still need to talk to her. I need some answers. I need to talk to her.
Starting point is 00:38:50 So sauce like, now prior to going with sauce, I already got my mind on what I'm going to do. I'm going to try to bridge through it because, again, this is not the forefront. I get a little kit together, right? Because I might just do a crime that I don't want to be identified for. Bam, when I get sauce, I already got the kit. And sauce is talking me out of doing what I got my mind on doing. Like I said, it makes sense.
Starting point is 00:39:19 So I've regressed, but I need to talk to her, though. This day ain't happened. without me having a conversation at least, right? So I pull up where I had, where I told Kenfolk to, you know, bring her to. And I could get there before him. And I'm in my mind, I'm like, I'm a, all right, man, I'm going to talk to her. I'll probably yell at it. I'm like, slap her.
Starting point is 00:39:40 I don't know. But I'm going to talk to her, though. But while I'm sitting waiting, man, I call it weakness, whatever you want to call it. I don't know. I gave in. I said, man, fuck that. I'm having the flashbacks of what the damage she didn't cause to my life. I ain't about to let this moment pass.
Starting point is 00:40:04 I'll be all right. You know what I mean? I ain't the bad guy. This can't be it. I'm the good guy. I'm about to say today. So I get together, you know. So when he pull up, I can do my thing.
Starting point is 00:40:19 You know, Saul's trying to talk me all of it, whatever. But he can't. I got tunnel vision. It can't stop me. Dude pull up with her. Bam. Situation takes place. We're going to leave it at that.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Boom. I got on a dread wig. I got on a beanie cap. Pull it down with the holes, you know, like a makeshift mask. I got on a dread wig, though. I'm disguising my identity. I got a little black outfit. Sauce.
Starting point is 00:40:53 It got dreads. For real. The girl know me like she knows sauce. Like it's DB sauce and raw, raw. Her in shock mind, she is short dude, a stocky dude. With dreads coming out is mad, she thinks it's sauce. Right. When a situation take place, she says,
Starting point is 00:41:15 sauce, you ain't got to do this. Man, situation takes place. Later on that night, I'm at the crib. Me and my sister live together. Shout out to love it. My older sister. It's late. Three or four in the morning.
Starting point is 00:41:36 You know, my mind is somewhere else, right? Because I know what just took place. But I'm being to myself. I'm at the laptop. Got this beat playing, making up a song, talking about what my day has been like, but not too blatantly. Sister won't go to sleep.
Starting point is 00:41:58 She won't go to sleep. at all. She's walking back and forth from her room to the dining room to the living room. It's three, four in the morning. Why are you up for? Smoking a cigarette, smashing into a Pepsi can. Ain't saying nothing to me. But she just like won't go to sleep. Energy. Energy. She knew something, man. Oh, remember she went to the window, the front room window, front room window. She turned around. Like it wasn't a big deal. Police outside. Say what?
Starting point is 00:42:42 My shit beating. So, bam, I go over there. I look out. Police outside. They got the shit flooded. Kind of like walk away. I don't know if I'm thinking what I'm doing, but I'll just like walk away.
Starting point is 00:42:56 But it didn't take long at all. I had to step in the front. Walked away, walked back to the door. And I act, man, it is what it is. I ain't shit. I don't know how the fuck they know. You know what I mean. But it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:43:08 I did what I was supposed to do. I opened up the front door. Bam. Step outside. You know, they're like, put your hands up, all that. I'll put my hands up.
Starting point is 00:43:19 You know, I turn around, you know, walk backwards, do all that, kind of stuff like that. They got every light in America on me. They cuff me. Put me in the car.
Starting point is 00:43:30 I had an escalate at the time. So remember, escalate, maroon escalate. It was said that a maroon escalade, you know, such and such. So, boom. It put me in the back of the cop car. They go search the house, nieces and nephews
Starting point is 00:43:46 outside crying. This happened to them twice, man. That's so fucked up. But this was the first time I happened to them. Police go in and come out, you know. I see them lingering in the street or whatever. and they come to the car I'm at,
Starting point is 00:44:04 open up the back door, fool me out, and take my cuffs off. Hoo-hoo! I'm like, what the fuck is going on right now? But I'm not going to say it, you know what I mean? He was fucking supposed to say. I'm just like, oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:44:23 Like, for real? Okay, like, yeah, keep on going. I'm about, I didn't want to run. You know what I mean? But they're taking the cuffs off. Oh. And they say, do I know Jamar, Abram? Sauce.
Starting point is 00:44:40 Right. He's wanted for attempted murder. So first of all, I'm thinking, like, what the fuck do you mean? Attempted. Right? And again, man, no, that shit ain't good. I'm happy that it didn't go through. But in the moment, I'm like, attempted. I know what I did.
Starting point is 00:45:05 I gestured over with. But they're saying attempted, though. Oh. I'm just puzzled. Like the world is moving. Like, I'm fucked up. They pull off. I'm in the middle of the street.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Just standing there. Like, how I'm going to call my can't fog right now? The guy that was trying to talk me out of it. Right. Is wanted for it. Right. I didn't listen when he tried to stop me. Now you got the bad.
Starting point is 00:45:35 didn't understand the stick. I'm supposed to call him right now. Right. But it was kind of like one of them situations when I'm going to just keep it solid. You're probably getting a fight or something. And you don't think you're going to get the best because you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:45:48 But you still got to go, though. Still got to go, though. So I was faced with a challenge and I had to go. I called him. Like, hey, Kenfolk. When they ain't looking for, I'm talking the third person.
Starting point is 00:46:03 I said, man, they're looking for sauce right now. and must have been attempting murder shit you know he gets to being excited you know what I mean talking real fast and shit what the like you know he's just talking the words ain't even coming out
Starting point is 00:46:18 right you know what I mean but I feel the energy though I'm like man listen man listen I don't worry about it you already don't worry about it you good come down a little bit but he's still frazzled uh
Starting point is 00:46:32 escalade That's what brought them to where I was at. So I'm being known to me at the time. The girl survived. Right. So that's where the car description come in at. So that's how they come to my residence. But she said sauce.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Yeah. So that's why I'm going to let go, right? Yeah. But they take the vehicle, though. I step up for sauce like on post two. I mean, I take them down to Kansas City. Hey man, listen, man, you know, whatever. I did a stand-up guy type of thing, gave him something substantial.
Starting point is 00:47:12 You know what I mean? Be good. You know what I mean? Stay out of the way, my guy. I take him down to KC. From KC., he'd fly down to Atlanta, Georgia. And, oh, he ended up getting caught in Atlanta. Got calling his birthday.
Starting point is 00:47:27 He's crazy. You're calling Atlanta. So he's the first of your call. but who kidnapped her. He is a family member that wasn't like part of our daily circle. So he's not identified. I'm in the clear. Sauce is allegedly the shooter.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Right. What they say in the case, they end up trying to say that I was the mastermind, that I manipulated the situation. I told him, hey, you do this and told him, hey, you know what I mean? Not true, though. You, yeah, he got caught in Georgia. Sauce got caught in Atlanta.
Starting point is 00:48:05 Yeah. Yeah. Strange situation, how he got caught so fast. He got caught. I'm still in the good, though. Sauce was being caught like eight months or something. Eight months later? No, he got caught like fucking a week later.
Starting point is 00:48:29 Oh, okay. But I'm saying before. the climate shifts into making my world gloomy is about eight months later. So in the midst of those eight months, my other camp folk who kidnapped her, he was identified. So they didn't show, you know, the victim, you know, so many mugshots of whoever they could think of. and they even came across his. She's like, that's the guy that snatched me. Oh.
Starting point is 00:49:06 Now he's in the mix. I'm going to lead into this situation with my chin up and my chest out. Kenfolk folded on it, right? But I don't, I do care, especially when I was going through it, but that's my can't fold. I still leveled.
Starting point is 00:49:26 Right. I mean I don't want to stand up here and speak on that from the wrong angle like I'm staying in them or whatever
Starting point is 00:49:39 right this just the facts that occur uh Ken folk is facing that life sins for kidnapping and that's when my climate change Ken folks
Starting point is 00:49:54 right search for them what they want them to do He couldn't swallow that elbow It was like 8 times a time Whatever so you know Listen man I don't like the results but that's my camp phone So while I'm going through my
Starting point is 00:50:08 My journey of Of being the bad version of myself And how I switched to get back more stable And tap into who I really am One thing that occurred was I was in a park with a woman And we was smoking, sipping, talking about our problems, and just kind of consoling each other. Are we sitting here in the car in the parking lot?
Starting point is 00:50:38 It's crazy how it happened. I'm looking down the parking lot, and I see like this white dude, it looked like his chain swinging. I'd see the bling coming off of it in the section down there. And I started asking, I'm like, damn, was that to cops? And while I'm asking myself, this is the cops. I hear, boom, boom, bump, boom, on the vasseter window. I look over, there's the cops.
Starting point is 00:51:03 I got a, I got a, on my little, whatever I'm rolling up on, and we got a bottle in the car. And long story, short, I'm on federal papers. Right. Mind you, I did the 46 months, right? I'm on federal papers at the time. So now, I'm supposed to be at the end. of my bad guy self, right?
Starting point is 00:51:31 But now I'm kind of start not being so positive. I think I'm going to violate. I'm going back to the joint. You know what I mean? Anyway, I have a hearing, a violation hearing. The judge ain't tripping by no little weed, dig it? He say, how you've been out this long and you ain't had a job in this long? Right.
Starting point is 00:51:57 I say, I got a record label. I sell music. I earn a suitable living off of doing this. Well, he say, well, you need to provide proof of that. So now I'm going back to promoters and CD stores and just whatever. I'm getting as much paperwork as I can to prove that I earned a living, you know, through this. Okay, I don't want to, I don't want to comment. or sway too far, but I got to include this.
Starting point is 00:52:30 During this process, man, I, like, I switched from being, like, so gloomy, and I'm sorry, demonic, for real, because every problem that I had at the time, it's only one solution for it. So, yeah, but how I switched to, I stopped seeing my situation, like, I lost my brother. I lost this person, this physical being. on earth. That hurt.
Starting point is 00:53:05 That caused me pain and grief and tears. I had to switch my perception. I didn't lose nobody. I gained something. I got a teammate up there in heaven, a direct link. You know what I mean? Like, hey, it's about to be up now.
Starting point is 00:53:25 So boom. Shortly after adopting that concept, small unique situation when I'm going to court right to for the violation I got to gather my my evidence to show that I've been making a living I had to go down to Kansas City Missouri there's a story named seventh heaven that was selling our music and on the way down there it was like I was borderline and being late before they closed so I'm on the interstate kind of like rushing this when I began to realize I got a teammate in heaven man it's crazy I'm down, I'm an interstate rushing.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Boom. I'm in the left lane. Car in front of me just moving slow, moving parallel with the car next to it and like, holding me up, right? It was happening so much I got frustrated to where I said, I said, hey, bro, man, make this car move. I'm just bullshit. I said, hey, bro, make this car move. So on as the word move left from my mouth, the car move.
Starting point is 00:54:25 That was crazy. That's a coincidence. Like, what the fuck just happened right now? there. So I'm driving again. Now I'm kind of just talking. I'm laughing and shit like, man, what the fuck? That shit was crazy. It happened again. I'm jammed up. Can't get around somebody running late. Hey, bro, make this car move. You know? Not during the word move before the word move. So as I finished the word move, the car moving. Hold up, man. Am I tripping? People in the car with me. I start waking them up. I said, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey,
Starting point is 00:54:59 look at this shit, y'all. I said, look at this shit. I'm laughing. I'm feeling good. I get myself jammed up on purpose, right? Jammed up, can't get around somebody. I ain't going to say nothing. Like, hey, y'all, watch this in a minute. I play with him a little bit. And I say, hey, bro, make this car move. Damn. The motherfucker move. So anyway, man, so simple of a situation. I just got to say, man, it was just a sign and assemble for me that I began to see repetitively that like, hey man, I ain't lost my bro. I did not lose my bro.
Starting point is 00:55:36 I got a bro on a higher realm of life that I can holler at and call on for guidance and whatever, you know, whenever I need to. And I said, I got a teammate in heaven. So yeah. Leading into the school situation, the judge said,
Starting point is 00:55:54 when I bring the evidence back, the judge say, okay, again, little Mr. Minter Wee ticket, we didn't even get a ticket for alcohol. A little Mr. Miner Wee ticket, Judge, like, he ain't tripping. Okay, that's fine. Income is what I'm concerned about. Okay, now you have two options.
Starting point is 00:56:10 If you want to earn your living through a business, that you need to actually get certified in school, get a degree, something to further what you're trying to do, but you can't just sit around. So you can either go get a job or you can, you know, go to school for, you know, what you want to do. So I don't want to do. to work. So boom, and I go to school, whatnot.
Starting point is 00:56:32 So like I was saying, on April 1st, it was a unique day, a peculiar day. I'm in college. The teacher of my business class asked me, would I participate in kind of like this, like a podcast? You know, something about the educational world in our community or something, our culture. She picked me out the class of the entire class.
Starting point is 00:57:04 Bam. I said, okay. I'm supposed to work out this day. But the time of the podcast like overlapped my workout time. So when I finished with, not a podcast. I mean, basically a podcast before a podcast became popular. So after I finished with that with her,
Starting point is 00:57:26 I'm supposed to be at the gym at that time, but it's already into my gym time, and it's too late. You know, I got guys out there working out already. Like, I missed it. So what I'm going to do, I'm going to go spend some extra time with my kids. You know, I kind of had a schedule of how I spent time with my kids.
Starting point is 00:57:47 It was mostly on the weekends. I would get them, but, you know, throughout the week, I would also, you know, pop in or whatever. and now that I had a free evening, what better way to spend it than with my kids? I go to my Baymont house. Now, this ties in, too. I spend every night at my crib.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Me and my sister still live together. I spend every night in my, I got the basement, like my own little apartment, whatever. I spend every night in my crib. Like, that's just my comfort zone. As far as who I'm dealing with, they come to me. I don't stay in night nowhere. this day at Bay Mom House early
Starting point is 00:58:31 because I missed the gym, chilling with the kids. I got comfortable, you know what I mean? Eight something, no, got fooled, and fuck it, I'm going to stay here tonight. In the morning, April 1st, I get a phone call. I don't even process the date at the time, but I get a phone call and my sister,
Starting point is 00:58:52 calm again. She's like, the police just came by her looking for you I sit up in the bed I said what my brain is scanning she for real she bullshit you know the situation didn't happen
Starting point is 00:59:08 you know like eight nine months ago or whatever and I've been in the clear I'm got back to regular life she said the police just came by her looking for you sit up like I said like I said like man what the fuck She didn't say April fools.
Starting point is 00:59:25 I'm like, is you bullshiting? She's like, no. So she hang up. I'm like stunned. I'm stunned. Now I'm like, no, this ain't for real. Because I've always felt at peace. Something about this circumstance.
Starting point is 00:59:41 I never felt like I'm this bad dude. I'm doing some fucked up shit. Like, I felt like, man, I was moving within like a positive, like, parameter or something. I was just always at peace so once you say the police looking for you she hanged the phone it ain't real
Starting point is 01:00:01 so now I've got to find the reason to make it not be real like she's bullshit I know she's just joking oh it's April 1st it's April 1st it's April 1st she got me
Starting point is 01:00:14 what the fuck I call her back I'm forcing us up believe this shit yeah I call her back I said hey man man why you bullshit
Starting point is 01:00:21 Like, I'm about to make this shit be real. This version is real. I've got the laughing shit going on. And I, she's like, she's like, I ain't bullshitting. She called the kids around the phone area. She said, hey, y'all, who just came looking for your uncle? The police? Boom.
Starting point is 01:00:46 Oh, shit. The motherfucking, what is called? The purge sounds. What's going off in my head? what the fuck shit real now babe mon could see it on me she was walking the room what's wrong
Starting point is 01:01:02 no no clue I forget how I told her when I told her but I ended up saying man she's talking about the poise came by looking for me I'm saying it like that man that shit I don't even worry about that shit
Starting point is 01:01:19 so she must have started downloading it you know she know wasn't having you know months prior and what, and I always kind of had to look in her eye like, like, right, is something you want to tell me?
Starting point is 01:01:32 But, you know, I don't give nobody no kind of, no communication about that. If you end up coming back out of the bathroom, kind of got emotional. Like, like, I'm like, listen, man, everything, cool. Like, why are you thinking they ain't said that in all this time? I'm good, you know what I mean? But I'm like, boom.
Starting point is 01:01:55 I need you take me somewhere. I go get a little vehicle I can move around in. Boom. I separate with her from her job. You know, give her a kiss, give her a hug or whatever. Everything, even though it wasn't like an item,
Starting point is 01:02:17 she was still my girl. I mean, so, boom, I give her a little emotional connection, you know, kiss her. Everything will be good. and everything wasn't good man I want to got a lawyer so I'm like is it a low K warrant
Starting point is 01:02:33 I go hire a lawyer Steve Leffner was like the goddamn Johnny Cochran if I'm a horror at the time I go hire Steve Lefner he put his due diligence in or not to find out
Starting point is 01:02:47 is it an arrest warrant or a low K warrant man we're sitting in that motherfucker like a like he came back in It's like, I'm sorry It's in the rest warm That shit was like
Starting point is 01:03:01 We was at a funeral Out of wake Not the funeral It felt like we was at awake When he said that shit Oh my God Now I'm in the underground world We leave
Starting point is 01:03:10 You know I got hoods on this shit Glasses on Like I'm moving like Like motherfucking Not myself Find a little spot To tuck off out or whatever And
Starting point is 01:03:21 Yeah I slipped into the You know the underworld man and uh uh that lasted for like i say crime happened in in june end of june uh they came from me april first that shit lasted down there 10 months before since the crime date and actually looking for me so my owner run spree happens i was going to say do you know know why what the warrant is? Attempted murder. Right.
Starting point is 01:04:03 But I mean, no, I mean, at the time, do you know what it's for? Oh, hell yeah. Oh, okay. I didn't know if he just said, hey, there's a warrant. We don't know what it's for. No, they, it's for that shit. Okay. For that shit.
Starting point is 01:04:14 I stopped hustling and everything. So as the situation happened, so as that first night, when they put me in cuffs and took me out of cuffs. Right. And I killed everything because I just felt like a, Any day. Well, yeah, so from April 1st, I go on the run, leading up to a divine, oh, my God, God got his hands on the situation for sure. So while I'm on the run, if I get caught before Soss Trial, they will put us together.
Starting point is 01:04:53 Right. And we'll have one trial. If I get caught after Soss Trial, then he'll have his verdict and I'll have my verdict, but it'll be separate, right? So while Soss Trial is approaching, man, life is so heavy, dude. Like, for real, I got to keep on saying this is not myself, but I was, like, warped into, like, another realm, man. I was warped. You know, the street's going to remember me some kind of way. I didn't have enough time to do the highest of the heights that I was supposed to do,
Starting point is 01:05:27 but I ain't about to leave this planet without leaving a mark. You know, and the outlets that I had was not really positive outlets when I was going through that. Like I said, I was warped. And so I was going through his trial, dark notions just start swalling around me. I remember such and such a dude from this. Remember so-and-so never paid me. Remember so-and-so said this. You know what?
Starting point is 01:05:56 The police some motherfucking cricket motherfuckers They're the reason I'm in this shit Because if they had to They shit properly And handled shit the right way I will never react it Oh yeah
Starting point is 01:06:10 I'm gonna put them on my list too I got a potter that I used to rob banks It just seemed like a thrill That I would never partake in But fuck it life over with anyway Let me put that on my list too if sauce lose this motherfucking trial watch this
Starting point is 01:06:30 watch this it's about to be a lot of shit going on because if he lose trial and he didn't do it I'm done yeah but here's the thing is is that the police are looking to arrest you because they think you did it is that right well now I just think you were there
Starting point is 01:06:51 no so now at this point they they think the victim stated that sauce shot her right they think that he's the shooter but now i'm tied into it they're saying that i'm the mastermind they said i told sauce the shooter they said i told dude the kidnapper i'm guilty dude conspiracy one of the charges is conspiracy to murder okay got it now i was going to say like how are they looking for you for the for the attempted murder when they're charging him with the attempted murder it's like that this doesn't okay so now it makes more sense yeah so my mind is
Starting point is 01:07:27 warped man a mind is warred that's how I know is heaven in hell I believe it's not I don't know what happened when you leave here but I believe it's a state of mind man and I didn't experience hell on earth you know
Starting point is 01:07:41 and I've experienced heaven on earth but situations like that make me really believe that you know heaven and hell does a state of mind I'm in hell but social is this trial this is what's going on you know what I mean
Starting point is 01:07:56 I remember my mom come to the house one day so I had an on the run spot but it kind of began to get war out and I start bouncing around a little bit and I would end up in my sister house a lot they'd have been here three or four times looking for me
Starting point is 01:08:14 they know I ain't there no more I got comfortable it's been long time so they've been over there I can you know what I mean I'm in my sister house one day my mom came over I'm in the back I'm in my sister room
Starting point is 01:08:31 I'm always hiding even like I'm inside the house hidden from the world I'm in the house hiding my sister room my mom came over I hear him out there talking
Starting point is 01:08:43 but I ain't about to go make no engagement she probably going to leave and I never knew I was here I ain't gonna let her know but my sister ended up telling her like Sean back there she came back there
Starting point is 01:08:54 and I'm in that state man What I'm a smile for? I'm at the edge of the bed. You know, I mean, shit heavy. You know, head down. Life on the motherfucking time clock. My expiration date coming soon, no matter if it's death or prison, that energy is on me.
Starting point is 01:09:15 But I was never the type of person that could really just say extreme things to moms. But I didn't want to lie or hide things either. Remember, she asked me what's wrong? And I was like, I don't know what I said something like they don't see. I don't want to tell her I got murder plans on my robbery plans and and cop retaliation plans and paint plan. I don't know. I'm about to leave a mark. When I'm gone, they're going to remember me.
Starting point is 01:09:54 as distorted as that may sound when I'm gone they're gonna remember me so mom asked me what's wrong I was like nothing but I was like let's talk lose this trial though watch
Starting point is 01:10:12 and she's like she could pick up what I'm saying but she ain't and she kind of probably filled me I don't know but she like like boy why don't you do nothing stupid it. And I can't lie to her, but I don't want to just straight go against the region. I'm just like,
Starting point is 01:10:33 all right, you know, man, sauce trial come up. I'm locked in, my guy. I'm about to be forgot about. I think I was 28 at the time. I ain't done nothing major in life. I might be bawled up, threw away, and that's it. it's decided I'm going to get remembered saw his trial coming up I believe it was November 1st mind you if I get caught before his trial
Starting point is 01:11:09 we'll have the same trial right if I get caught after his trial guess what I'm going to have a lot more charges because I ain't bullshit if I even make it to the courtroom
Starting point is 01:11:22 so you know God is real his trial started one day I said you get arrested I got called later on that night Oh okay God was not about to let me make it to being on the streets hearing a guilty verdict Even in my times that ain't so applaudable
Starting point is 01:11:42 I've had You know affirmation That God is there for me I'm not being shot at This close Everyone missed You know what I mean Oh
Starting point is 01:11:56 yeah so I get caught during the trial I get caught during the trial It's too late for them to add you to the Yeah they can't add me to his trial But I did not have the opportunity Right To go pull out these fantasies That's crazy because it was fantasies
Starting point is 01:12:14 I used to meditate on them I said drive by certain spots I already know how I'm gonna do this one So man energy is real When you feel yourself When you feel yourself being sucked into a certain path, man, you got to gain control. You got to gain control and get yourself out of that path. How do they grab you?
Starting point is 01:12:42 I'm at my sister house. Kind of got so comfortable. I'm in the dining room. I ain't even in the back hiding. I'm in a dining room on a laptop. On Facebook. This one, Facebook, first got to really being popular. her.
Starting point is 01:13:00 Sus, came to the goddamn dining wrong. Calm again. I just too calm. So it's like, she's a gangster for real, man. She don't even rattle her. But she was like, she's like, police outside. So I'm in the kind of like in the French, like, fuck what I'm, like, you know, what I'm going to do?
Starting point is 01:13:22 So I'm kind of like going left, going right, just, but I ain't going nowhere because I don't know which way to go. And my kin folk was here. Meesey, you know what I mean? A.K. Hey, little, my little kid, this all's brother. My little guy, man. He's like, hey, come upstairs. Go upstairs. It's like an attic room.
Starting point is 01:13:42 Attic is loaded with unorganized storage. When I say shit this way and that way, it's loaded too. So I must have found a tunnel. I don't know what the hell I didn't do. But I didn't got through that shit and got to the back and I'm behind some shit
Starting point is 01:13:58 and it's a cover over this shit and they ain't coming in here to find me. So, some way along, you know, that time, you know, they let them in the house. I hear them downstairs,
Starting point is 01:14:11 you know, going through shit and, you know, they don't see nothing, of course. When they come upstairs, it's pitch black and it's like attic storage type areas.
Starting point is 01:14:21 It's one in the little hatched, little halfway hatch doors. I hear them, they pass it. heart beating Fitch black Boom I hear
Starting point is 01:14:32 when they go to the back They don't find And now they're coming back Towards the stairs But the hatchway door It's right there At the top of the stairs And should they stop
Starting point is 01:14:43 They open it They come in I know they can't see me Because I didn't look in here How they look in here I know they can't see me But man I ain't gonna lie to you
Starting point is 01:14:55 I ain't hold up to that pressure Like I see all the beams I feel all the negative I feel the bullets before they're gonna hit I feel that shit pointed at me and they said something like you know raise your hands come out like gave me like an ultimatum
Starting point is 01:15:13 and you god damn it they got me on that ultimatum I said threw the motherfucking hands up so fast I said I'm right here don't shoot but first okay so Ben no I threw my hands up like don't shoot don't shoot because I was already nervous when I was on the run, like, the system is part of my brother's death. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:15:31 It's my belief. Like, they're going to probably, if they catch me, they're going to shoot me. They might shoot me if I ain't in the right area and say, I'm labeled armed and dangerous.
Starting point is 01:15:41 You know what I mean? So, bam, they scare me. I throw the hands up. So they made me, like, move towards them, whatever, with my hands up the whole time.
Starting point is 01:15:51 And then, you know, they cuffed me up. They cuffed me up. First, I was just so scared than the motherfucker, right? Don't shoot, don't shoot. If you don't cuff something, I know I'm safe and that's when I got
Starting point is 01:16:01 started talking shit. Like, you know, right, raw Montana, motherfucker. So, so, such, such, six months, I'll be out. You know what I mean? Speedy trail, bitch, watch. Like, I don't know, man.
Starting point is 01:16:11 I was just, that's the mode I was in. But it wasn't a lot longer than six months, though. So, okay. I get caught. I go to jail. when I'm in chill, you know, the word is, I'm supposed to beat my shit at,
Starting point is 01:16:30 uh, in my preland. Okay, so during sauce trial, the victim states that no one else was there. Right. She thinks the shooter was sauce. Right. And she knows the guy that kidnapped her.
Starting point is 01:16:47 Right. She don't, to her, there's no one, I don't know what the fuck sauce was doing in that truck. But she never saw him. She never saw him. She never saw. Right.
Starting point is 01:16:56 So she said that I did look inside the truck and there was no one else there. So my mom, like, Sauce was in that motherfucker like hiding. Yeah. For real. He didn't want no parts of it. Right. He and that motherfucker hiding, right? So, uh, but to them, they're saying, that's me.
Starting point is 01:17:13 They saying, I'm the person in the truck or nobody's in a truck, right? Right. I'm the guy that controlled the shit or whatnot. Right. So if sauce is in front of her and she's saying, Jarrell, kidnapped her, where the fuck am I at? right she said saw shot her garelle kidnapped her she listed in the truck nobody else was there is garel saying you were there
Starting point is 01:17:31 garel saying i'm there so the phone call between me and no jerell man listen i ain't gonna go deep into that because like i said this ain't to stand nobody or nothing but jerell did more than he had to to pit me in this shit man right you know uh yeah he went extra
Starting point is 01:17:54 Like, fuck. Anyway, if she don't identify me nowhere, I'm, like, innocent, like, aside from Jeril. If she, but that's enough right there to cause what they call reasonable doubt, right? Right. Yeah, that's what I hope. So pre-lim, they think in that my shit ain't even got enough evidence to go past the pre-lap. Sonsky made that message from his lawyer.
Starting point is 01:18:21 You know, he used to leave me a little guy in the county one time. I go to trial Let me tell you how crooked my attorney is though She that made this statement It's sauce trial The only people present was Sauce and I'm gonna call him Jay
Starting point is 01:18:42 I don't want to keep saying his name Sauce and Jay There's only two people present Why you don't bring this up at my trial Why you don't paint me in a light That I wouldn't even involved in that Like, right. Man, that motherfucker was crooked.
Starting point is 01:19:01 Anyway, fast forward, man, I ain't going to trial. What did, before you go to trial, do you know what sauce gets? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so bam, sauce get convicted. I'm fighting. I'm going through the proceedings of a trial, you know, all the court dates or whatnot, the prelims.
Starting point is 01:19:22 These motherfuckers bonded my shit over. At prelim, whatever. me having a prelim. Okay, so prelim is supposed to be like, is there, you know, sufficient evidence to take this case to trial? Yeah. Well, instead of having my prelim on a county court level, without going to district court, they did something, I forget what they called it, where it went straight to district
Starting point is 01:19:49 court where my prelim was held at district court between a judge that has the motive to further it, you know what I mean? and shit, they made my shit continue without giving me the opportunity to prevent it from going to district court. Right. You know what I mean? Long story short, man.
Starting point is 01:20:10 Sauce, get 130 years while I'm going through my proceedings, right? Let me tell you something. I'm in the county, man. I start doing everything to try to get ahead of that and reverse that shit. I became a halfway Muslim. You understand what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:20:29 Hey, I was still Christian. I told God, look here, I'm going to stop gambling. You know, I really did stop gambling. Stop playing poker and everything. I start trying to tap into everything positive about me. I say, listen, man, I cannot. 130 years? No.
Starting point is 01:20:49 It's a little bit. So I'm just trying to be my best self. If I'm my best self, I'm going to get the best result. Go to trial. Man, shit, I end up getting found guilty. So I'm in a bullpen and pacing back and forth, you know. I got, I got, damn, I'm tripping. Is it either handcuffs or shackles on my feet?
Starting point is 01:21:25 Anyway, I'm in the tank by myself. They don't even got me with the regular felons. Every time I go to court, they always got me separated. Like, I was, you were a more serious charge. Yeah, but, like, it was crazy because it'd be people in the other tank that actually committed murder sometimes. Like, they think them didn't survive. I was in the tank by myself, most of the time.
Starting point is 01:21:47 Every now and then there'd be one or two more guys with me. It was weird. Like, this thing you charge more violent than mine. Fuck. But they had me on like a high profile or whatever. But anyway, I'm in the bullpen. I'm in the bullpen. Waiting for a verdict, right?
Starting point is 01:22:06 Trial concluded. I decided not to testify. They placed in the jury hands or whatever. Boom, it's on a Monday. Take me up to the bullpen while I'm waiting for the verdict to be read. I'm walking back and forth. I'm talking to dead people, talking to God. I'm trying to manifest
Starting point is 01:22:31 I'm trying to create the ending I'm putting every vibration, every rhythm out there I can for to make these jurors minds say hey no he didn't do it right you know what I mean I'm trying to what do you call telepathically connect through the universe right now
Starting point is 01:22:50 I'm visualizing certain juror obviously they're clothes and shit I'm like okay man just what you're thinking right now whatever like I'm trying everything right I cannot get a guilty verdict ain't no way man I'm why I'm up here thinking my fucking bailiff come upstairs mr. Abrams they got a bit they got a verdict hold on what you mean they got a verdict that was too quick no think about it's a moll I don't want to hear the verdict right now I should be damn like they pulled me out the bullpen the bullpins is right next to each other you got at the Super Pool Pen where I would be at
Starting point is 01:23:29 and you got like the Common Bullpen They pull me out They got to get me back all the way You know, jammed up for No, I'm in trial at this time So I got a shock pad on No physical I got on physical shit when I'm in the back
Starting point is 01:23:48 In that holding tank When I come out, the jury The jury can't see me As like an inmate A cop right So I got a shock They can't see that. Take me back out there for verdict.
Starting point is 01:24:03 Man, I sit down. So I got, I had two lawyers. So my two lawyers were sitting like, one, two, and I was like at the end, right? So how I'm faced, I'm looking straight at the jury. I won't forget it. It's just a white woman, man. She sat down and she was looking at me so nasty, the most harsh facial expressions and shit. Like, but I don't know if it mean like you pussy motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:24:31 They don't let you off. That's what I'm hoping to mean. But maybe it means you got what you got coming, bitch. You know what I mean? Anyway, I'm sitting here thinking like, okay, she's mad. She's mad because I didn't got all. You know what I mean? I'm hoping.
Starting point is 01:24:47 I'm not attaching to nothing bad. I'm only seeing positive. She's mad because I got off. Yes. Sitting there. does the jury have a verdict? Yes, they do. Whatever, they do the process.
Starting point is 01:25:02 You know, count one. You know, or the charges attempted murder. We, the jury, fine, Mr. Avron. I'm looking on waiting. Guilty, what the fuck just having? But I don't show nothing, though. It's like a shockwave inside of me just go out. We find it depending guilty.
Starting point is 01:25:25 I just look over in my family, checking their reactions, Babe Mom stormed out. Pops was looking, I don't know, like he saw a ghost, and moms was already starting to break down. I'm just in the Twilight Zone. We did a jury find a defendant, you know, such a criminal conspiracy to murder, guilty. We did a jury find a defendant, you know, what they say?
Starting point is 01:25:53 use of a weapon. Right. To commit a felony to find a defendant guilty. Tampering with a witness. They find a defendant guilty. I'm just hitting here like, I ain't laughed at that.
Starting point is 01:26:07 I'm just stale. Stale. Okay. I ain't going to see me sweat. But I ain't going to fake either. Just in an in-between place. What's shit going on in the crowd. My eyes breaking down.
Starting point is 01:26:21 Like I said, Babe Mom stormed. hands on her heart like she's about to pass out dad just stuck sisters eyes glossy and I'm just there wow they come cuff me up take me to the bullfin I'm like I what the fuck is going on like for real I know this ain't real I hold up what's going on hold up what's going on Hold up. No. It ain't real, but why it seems real right now.
Starting point is 01:26:58 How are you going to spend this, God? Because I know this ain't it. How are you going to spend this to make it? All right. Something is going to shake. Something's going to shake. I'm going to do this shit for a big grand finale, like conclusion. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:27:16 Boom. I go to court to your sentence. That was just being found guilty. Like two months later, sentencing. But the court to get sentenced. Walking that well for, I get off the elevator,
Starting point is 01:27:32 you know, they got to share some of you or whatnot. It's a different, it's a different courtroom than trial courtroom. So I got to walk through more of, like, public space before I may get to my court. The actual courtroom. They got the cameras out there and shit,
Starting point is 01:27:46 and, you know, I'm just walking. You know, everybody looking at me. I'm like, in my mind almost like, One part is like, fuck it. I'm sorry, don't mean to say that word. I'm not sad because I did what I was supposed to do. I ain't some bad person. I heard whatever.
Starting point is 01:28:06 And I'm also like, gosh, still going to turn this around. God, still going to turn this around. I go in that courtroom, like, confident. I remember telling my mom before court. Because, you know, Saucer already got $130. Right. So, mom, come on. I'm a guilt.
Starting point is 01:28:22 They say, I'm guilty. You know what they're going to do, all right? When I lost trial, man, she went to the hospital. Like, she broke down, like, panic attack type stuff. Like, I had to put the machine, the oxygen on her, all that. So now I'm prepping her. Oh, mom, you know what they're going to do already. Don't let it faze you.
Starting point is 01:28:47 We good. We know this ain't the ending. This is not the conclusion. All right. I'm going to be all right. I know. because it ain't over to God say it's over. And, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:28:57 My eyes ride with me. All right, bad. Let's go then. We're in this together. We ain't rattled, you know. Hey, be on a mission with us and we're going to stay strong. Do I this mission. Boom.
Starting point is 01:29:12 Court day come around. Sentencing day come around. Man, I said some powerful stuff to them people. I didn't walk into there, into that court room like shaking in my boots. Right. You know, I came to peace with a guy using me for something. I know I ain't no bad person. I don't deserve no results like this.
Starting point is 01:29:32 And I'm going to stand tall through this shit. We go in the court room. I just kept it real with the judge. Like, he was a person. You know what I said. Like, my family hasn't received justice at this point. Did that mean we're supposed to go without it? Not at all.
Starting point is 01:29:49 So I'm saying things like, I remember my lawyer need me under the table. Hey, man. you stand you what but uh i told the judge like hey listen r apdb free sauce and only god can judge me and with that you can go on with your sins yeah it's in the transcripts but uh uh the judge you know found me guilty gave me 150 years more than more the guy the supposed shooter more and you so i'm so weird i'm so weird at the time i mean not really weird i'm really i'm really rare But at the time, I'm like, all right, any more time. Shit, that's just a very big accomplishment.
Starting point is 01:30:30 Because I already know it ain't ending like this. What I'm saying? I'm about to overcome more than I thought I was going to have to overcome. So, bam. After I get that time, it's crazy. It's not make me feel any better. That one video. Listen, listen, listen, listen.
Starting point is 01:30:45 I had two options, man. I could accept reality and be under somebody bunk crying some motherfucking where? Right. where I could be delusional slash faithful and say this shit happening for a reason I'm gonna stand up
Starting point is 01:30:59 I'm not crying every day you know what I mean watch this is my mind said so bam oh but I get the time so now I'm like
Starting point is 01:31:12 a high super high class classified inmate can't be with general population not only is he guilty he got 150 years he might fuck up some shit in our system.
Starting point is 01:31:23 Right. So I can't go back the general population to take me to administrative confinement. I'm just, I'm really warped and I'm about to
Starting point is 01:31:32 experiment with faith now. What else I'm going to do? Accept it. I know God got a mission. So, I'm in administrative confinement, 23 hours locked down, come out for a shower
Starting point is 01:31:45 with your handcuffs and it's like it's fucked up. But anyway, the very next day after being placed on administrative confinement, I hear the metal coming up the stairs. Then I hear it stopping my door.
Starting point is 01:31:59 Like, clink, clank, clink. Mr. Avenue, you got court. Court. I did this goddamn, I sent this yesterday. You mean I got court? I ain't got no court. Brain switch. I know.
Starting point is 01:32:14 I know what's going home. Guy was pulling a prank on me. April Fool's Day? Hey, it started on April Fool's Day. You feel what I'm saying? It started on April Fool's. Now he's about to show the humor in his, you know, his correction. God pulling a prank on me.
Starting point is 01:32:34 They by pulling me in the court and say, Mr. Rayrod, I just wanted to show you what your life could be like, you know what I mean? We understand what's going on. And, you know, we don't see that you're a bad person. We just got to show you. You've got to stand strong and you can't let emotions pull you into a tarpact. I'm ready to go to this court day. Fuck, I can't wait.
Starting point is 01:32:53 Damn, God, thank you for being so graceful. You know? Right. Fuck, I can't wait. Oh, shit. I'm starting to feel good. I'm spouted on the inside. Like, damn, I knew this wasn't real.
Starting point is 01:33:05 Get downstairs. It pin me in a holding tank with all federal people. Not state people. I was on paper. I called this case. A violated. Right. Oh, I know I ain't going to federal court, am I?
Starting point is 01:33:20 No. A bubble of hours. Optimism is starting to bust. I got a court for real. This ain't no God was pulling a prank on me situation. Take me to federal court. I get violated. I officially get violated because now I'm guilty.
Starting point is 01:33:36 I'm not just assumed of doing something. I'm guilty now. I get violated. Well, the fed say that, well, he's going to be an old man when he gets out. No, he's going to, you know, I had 150 years. In my state, you would get out in 75, half of that. You know, I was like, 28, 29 or something at the time. So 75 plus that age, 75 and 20, that's 95.
Starting point is 01:34:03 Say, eight more, that's 103. I was going to be 100, 3004 when I got out. They said he going to need to get acclimated back to society. That's what they say. No, he don't need jail time. He already got enough jail time. So for your violation, when you get out, you got two years of supervised release. At 105.
Starting point is 01:34:24 You know, if you feel what I'm saying? I say, all right, whatever. Now, I leave federal court. They bring me back to the county. Now I'm disappointed because I thought guy was about to look out for me, right? But, no, this was really your court day. So, fuck.
Starting point is 01:34:42 All right, whatever. I'm going back, get back to the bullpins waiting to go back to my unit. They're taking everybody up to their unit. Say, Abraham. They called me out for court Hold on, I just came from court Man, what y'all are doing?
Starting point is 01:34:59 So I just came from court And said, well, now you got state court Oh shit Hey, listen here Guy I really about to look out What else I got court for? I'm sent this in the state I'm sent this in the feds
Starting point is 01:35:14 I don't got nothing else to go to court for Okay Mr. Abram you got the state court Fuck I knew God was just fooling the prank go. I know it. Oh, sweet. All right, let's go to state court. God, thank you. I promise you, I won't ever do that bad again.
Starting point is 01:35:35 I'll come to church every Sunday. I want to sell drugs. You know, like God, I just want to live for you now. God, thank you, thank you, thank you. I really appreciate you. But getting to this courtroom, my family in there, they kind of lightweight smile and and it shit. Oh, God, thank you. so fucking much, man. They got notified.
Starting point is 01:35:59 Without me knowing, I had to come to court for a sentence modification. Get up there. Well, Mr. Abram, this is the judge speaking. I noticed when I sentenced you yesterday, I said that I gave you the same sentence as your cousin, co-defendant Jamal Abram, which is 130 years.
Starting point is 01:36:19 But on the record, I gave you 150 years. So that was a mistake. I meant to give you 130 years. Like, I can't get your coach. So I got a sentence modification at 20 years.
Starting point is 01:36:34 I'm 150 down to 130. Nice. Look and I say, man, this is here. It's all right. I'm still good. Because you're not the judge. You're not the author of my life.
Starting point is 01:36:45 You understand me? You're saying what you're saying right now. Whatever. My faith is intact. All right. All right. It's all good. I'm smiling to my family.
Starting point is 01:36:55 You know what I'm? I'll talk to y'all. This ain't the last time y'all see me. I mean, I'm in prison now. I'm about, I'm about, man, I'm only like seven months into my sentence or something. I mean, since being found guilty. Yeah. So at this time, 2012, I had been locked up like three years.
Starting point is 01:37:25 you won't know about prison life you're on the you're chipping away at that aren't you three years off of 130 already it's not even worth I'm shipping that shit I'm shipping that shit I'm shipping off in that shit I got a hundred and thirty years so let's say I'm not a model inmate right you know what I mean I got the pack coming in you know I got long sharking going on
Starting point is 01:37:48 I'm just hey I was I was in that world and anything that I'm a part of I just got a desire to be the best at it. I was a convict. I was an inmate. I wanted to be the best one. Boom. I'm selling trees on the yard.
Starting point is 01:38:06 I'm loan sharking. I'm loaning food. Anything you need is on the yard. Running a store. Running the store. Hollered at rock. Yeah. Anybody on the yard to tell you,
Starting point is 01:38:16 hollered at rock. I'm running the poker table. You know, I mean, like, I come here from the poker table with four, five hundred tokens on me, stuffed in every boot, every sock, every, you know, hidden component to make, because the limit is 25.
Starting point is 01:38:30 You know what I mean? Right. That tokens is money on the yard. I'm coming in every day, three, four, five hundred of them, you know. It may look like I'm coming in, handing off tokens while I got people in the day room cooking burritos for the entire unit. Like, for real. Like, I really dimmed tons of these kind of things in prison.
Starting point is 01:38:54 It's crazy because it's crazy. It don't really deserve like an applause or nothing, but it's just like ties into me, man. However I'm living, whichever angle aspect I'm in, I just want to be the best at, you know. So that was me being the best at what I was doing. Getting the bag in, blood in the yard of whatever, cooking for everybody and, you know, building my legacy,
Starting point is 01:39:18 whether that legacy was the certain whatever inmate. I was building my legacy. March 7th, I have oral arguments for my appeal. Back it up. My lawyer found the actual error in my jury instructions.
Starting point is 01:39:40 After how long? I got found guilty in 2010. Got sentenced to begin at 2011. And in July, 2012 I actually won. So in between the beginning of 2011
Starting point is 01:40:02 in the middle of 2012, the era was found. We had the oral arguments in March, March 7th, 2012. I got to say this too, man, because it just does something to my mind to when I think back on it. All these guys in here, life sentences, 400 years for this.
Starting point is 01:40:25 You know, 300 years for that. Life sentence plus 60 years and 90 years. They only, y'all are playing poker and playing basketball. And, hey, that's cool. But they're not at the law library. They accepting what they got going. Either they accepting it or pitting it off in somebody else's hands. That's fine.
Starting point is 01:40:49 But I got to be active with mine. My life too valuable to solely depend on. I don't care how esteemed the lawyer is. I'm going to be involved with this situation. So I end up going to the whole administrative confinement again. I ain't got in trouble. I ain't got into no fight, nothing like that. But with the operations I was running on the yard,
Starting point is 01:41:12 a lot of people would owe me, you know, money, whatnot. And I'd be waiting on my money sometime and it don't be coming when they're supposed to come. I'm in the jungle. You understand me? I can't just let it slide. So you have your attorney write them a letter saying that they owe? No, hell no. Like a collection letter?
Starting point is 01:41:32 No, I pull up. I pull up, you know what I mean? Like, hey, what's heading it? You understand me? I need that. Or, you know what I mean? Like, I mean, not that I want to be or trying to be, but I have to be. I need that.
Starting point is 01:41:45 If I don't got that on such and such, then, hey. They go to the warden of the lieutenant. So they drop them kites, man. And I got to say this too, man. I don't want to get y'all too much. How can they don't check in? How can they don't check in? Some of them have.
Starting point is 01:41:57 Oh, okay. Like, I wrote letters, you know, to send out to the streets and they get sent back in to this person. Like, hey, you know, you got to come out one day. Yeah. So it's going to be what it's going to be. You know what I mean? But anyway, it just is so blatant how different my perspective is now, and it used to be. because I'm at home one day going through my prison tow
Starting point is 01:42:20 and I was looking for something my daughter a letter my daughter wrote to me. I was looking for something specifically a letter my daughter wrote to me. And while looking for that, I stumbled across all my paperwork like my write-ups and stuff like that. And I'm reading it like, you know,
Starting point is 01:42:38 inmate wrote a kite on this saying Mr. Abram was going to come into his room. Inmate A-room was running the long shark operations charging 20% per week. Embelate, inmate Abram, was receiving marijuana, you know, such and such,
Starting point is 01:42:56 such and such. And inmate Abram tells another inmate connect the dots and whatever would you, and it's just giving my resume. I'm like, God damn, this is what I was, inmate Abram tells other inmate, you a bitch, pussy, you cut it out,
Starting point is 01:43:13 such, such, said and such, set and such. I'm like, damn, I was coming. I need just like, that, inmate Abrams sends a letter out to his mom and has her send it back in to another inmate saying, I'm just seeking, I'm just seeking what's mine. And if you want to get on some bigger bullshit, I got to get on some big. If I'm just inmate Abrams sends a letter out to his mom and his mom sends back in, you know what I mean, to the institution.
Starting point is 01:43:38 And inmate Abram is saying to the other inmate, if you want to get on some bullshit, I ain't got no choice but get on some bigger bullshit, I just need what's mine, basically go real. Like, damn, this who you... Like, it shocks my system. Like, what the fuck? This is how you was moving? But I had 130 years, though. Yeah. I don't got the same mind.
Starting point is 01:43:58 Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? I go to the hole. People owe me. I'm pushing an envelope. They drop in kites. Boom. They come get me. After so many kites, so many accusations, it's just like, it is what it is. He's a problem. He's a problem. Now, now they zeroed in on.
Starting point is 01:44:17 me. Like that letter I sent out. I know that they got that letter because this and now it's in my paperwork. We, we, uh, captured this letter saying this, saying that and so, uh, they was on me. It took me to administrative confinement. Best thing ever. The law of manifestation began to take place. Uh, so when you go to administrative confinement, you don't get your own TV, you know, uh, you don't get no TV. The fact that you get TVs at all. You don't get no entertainment, right? I have any TV. I never had any TV.
Starting point is 01:44:52 Yeah, state joint is better than Feds. And that way. Yeah. The Feds is so much better on other levels, but that's one of the pros, you know, pros. One of the perks of the state joint. So, but 45 days, though, I just had oral arguments, right? Now I'm in the hole. No people around me, no television around me, just me and my thoughts.
Starting point is 01:45:14 My thoughts. I read books? I mean, I can get books. Okay. Yeah. But my thoughts was my entertainment. And I'd be in that cell, man. And I just start to think about the day I get released. And I, you know, I start to see it in my mind.
Starting point is 01:45:33 I started to really feel it in my spirit. You know, I see myself, you know, walking across the yard and the inmates, you know, cheering for me. And, you know, I walk out the front door and my family out there and I hug them and we happy and I go to the cell phone store and get my first phone. I go to the barbershop and get, you know, get my dougie on. I'm seeing in my mind every day and I'm feeling it. I'm smiling. It feels good because it's really happening for myself in that moment. And maybe it's just a theory I don't know, but I felt like I was manifesting that, but like I was creating that during that span.
Starting point is 01:46:09 Fast forward. Every Friday, I'm still in a hole. Every Friday, the rulings come out for the courts as, you know, appeals on decisions. Right. I'm watching the news every Friday for to see if my case come across there. Friday the 13th, which was July to 13th. Before the news could come on, the cops came to my cell and was like, Mr. Abram, pack up. Pack up. It's court ruling day.
Starting point is 01:46:44 I won my appeal. I'm thinking it, but they ain't said it to. me I said I said I said what's up where I'm going they say you're going to to Comsa to Comsa is a supermax joint in Nebraska I was at NSP that's the maximum joint but they got the maximum and the medium side but I was on the maximum side they tell me I'm going to to Comsa the super max I'm like nah I'm on a Friday the appeal day nah I said I'd have won my appeal but they can't tell me right now I got to walk when you're up front
Starting point is 01:47:20 and they gotta be secretive or whatever and then when I was to check out that's when they're gonna tell me right you know what I mean oh shit okay let me get the bag let me get the bag somebody go home I can't believe this shit I packed up my shit oh they still said I'm going to Comsa
Starting point is 01:47:35 but I know that ain't true though going to front with my property shit walking across the yard you know member of the vision I seen people waving by to me congratulating the plodding yeah but as instead it ain't all the way accurate they're just saying what's going on where you going?
Starting point is 01:47:49 They said, I'm going to Tacomsa. To Comsa? I said, man, that's what they say, but I'm walking like, wait, later on, watch the news. Get up front. Houghton tank. There's a lot of dudes in there. Where are you going? I said, I said, I said, where are you going?
Starting point is 01:48:10 I said, hey, where are you going? They said, maybe going to Comsa. I said, what the fuck? All right. Okay. got a bus load going to the Comsa. But they're not taking me. They're going to take them,
Starting point is 01:48:22 and they won't let me out. Because I just want my appeal. They just ain't told me yet. You know what I mean? This is my mindset. My guy, I'm never accepting a failure. They take me to the Comsa for real. What the fuck is?
Starting point is 01:48:33 Why they got to drag it out this much? They're going to let me out here? Man, I could end up going to my sale. It's hours later. So when you transfer over, you don't get your property right away. I mean, you got to wait a while. They got to go through everything
Starting point is 01:48:47 and make sure you ain't try to sneak night. knee and all that. Now, we're still in the hole, though. Everybody that went to the Compsa, we're in the hole. They're transferring us because there was just a riot on the yard the day before, and they're just getting rid of some more high profile or high classified inmates to make room in the hole for these individuals. So we're in Tacompson. Friday, July 13th. I'm waiting for my property, but I'm so tired of being in transit all day. I go to sleep.
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Starting point is 01:51:05 I want to use the phone for a Sunday. A Sunday come. They bring the phone over, so they will the phone to my door. I got to reach out the hatch. I'll reach up, poke the numbers or whatnot. And I'm just letting, I want to let my family know I got moved. Right. I mean, I'm in a different location now.
Starting point is 01:51:25 And it's a much different environment now, too. So I call my babe mom. And I tell her like, oh, like, yeah, I'm into a country. comes from now, you know, I'm just giving her the update. And she say, what's going on with the appeal? Now, that shocked me because I was aware that I was like the only one that was more so delusional, like this ain't my reality, something going to change. And everybody else was more so like you're going to do this time. I mean, they don't want that for me. No, but they hope, they hope that some changes, but they don't got the faith that I got. And I could see that.
Starting point is 01:52:05 in there. So when she asked me about my appeal, my mind, I'm like, for what? Like, you don't ever talk about this. It's something you probably want to avoid. You don't believe me. I said, shit, I'm still waiting. Why, what's up?
Starting point is 01:52:21 She said, no, you won. You didn't know? I said, what? She said, you won your appeal this Friday. It was on the news. Everything overturned. man I was stuck my head out the hatch I'm in the whole talking to everybody
Starting point is 01:52:38 I met a guy down there Thunder Collins some other guys too but that was the guy I talked to the most like hey Thunder I won like nigga I won you know I mean I'm celebrating
Starting point is 01:52:50 I'm celebrating when people I don't even know like the AC4 I won you know I mean so I get back on the ball I said what she said you won like everything will return oh my God I got I knew it was going
Starting point is 01:53:04 happen. I ain't ever lost faith. You know what I mean? So, man, I won't even my appeal. Really quick, can you go back and explain what the appeal was about? The whole duration of trial had concluded. And on the last day of trial, I felt like it was like 50-50. I don't know. Right. No, like 60-40, my way, because I'm being optimistic. You know, but I'm like, damn. Am I really going to win? Am I hoping to win or cannot win? I ain't for sure. I think I need to testify.
Starting point is 01:53:43 I think I need to get my side of the story. You know? If 130 years and going home is decided upon one more thing, listen, let me try to sway these motherfuckers. A girl had already testified that I was with her that night. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, man, I need to call.
Starting point is 01:54:04 go ahead and get up there and validate that story. And sway these motherfuckers. It happened on the Friday, though. But your girl says it. Not my girl. What? She's not my girl. She's just a girl that I was.
Starting point is 01:54:17 A girl. Yeah. Okay. A girl says you were with her. Yeah. The victim says you weren't there. You get on the stand and say. Oh, you don't?
Starting point is 01:54:27 I was going to say. So listen. So listen. So listen. So I'm like, do I want to get on the stand? Right. This happens on a Friday. So being undecided, my judge asked, can I have the weekend to decide if I want to testify or not.
Starting point is 01:54:44 So I go through the weekend processing like, you know, do I want to, you know, get up there? What kind of shit can I get caught up in? I'm going to fuck around and be bad for myself. And just the unknown. I said, no, I ain't, I ain't testify like that. That's what saved me. First of all, not getting caught before a source trial, saved me. And now not testify at my trial, save me.
Starting point is 01:55:13 I know you probably say how. So let me tell you. If I had to testify it at my trial, okay, the instruction that saved me. I came home on the technicality, a jury instruction error. Right. All right. if I testify, the instruction that saved me won't exist. Okay.
Starting point is 01:55:36 So whenever you don't testify at your trial, they got to give an instruction to the jury that says, the fact the defendant didn't testify must not be considered in the mission of guilt. Right. Right. So say you're a juror, and this guy's a defendant, but he ain't taking the stand. He ain't saying what happened where he was really at. I can't consider that that may make him get. Exactly. But you may have the natural inclination to kind of feel like why he ain't saying that.
Starting point is 01:56:05 Right. He's probably did it. So they got to give an instruction to make you not think that. Right. The fact the defendant didn't testify must not be considered in the mission of guilt. Right. Because I didn't testify that instruction was given, right? If I do testify, that's not given. Decide not to testify. That instruction is given. my instruction said the fact the defendant didn't testify must be considered an admission of guilt was it just an accident the word not
Starting point is 01:56:40 was missing you hear me right no it ain't no accident it was on purpose by God okay it was an accident by a human error
Starting point is 01:56:51 but God did it on purpose and when I this is why I say that I don't know how many instructions I had, man, 20-something instructions, you know. I don't know. If I'm a guess to me, I think that I would be accurate by saying it was roughly 10,000 words. And I'm somewhere in the ballpark of how many words it was throughout all of my instructions. Out of those 10,000 words, you cannot go throughout my instructions and find one,
Starting point is 01:57:25 singular word aside from the one that was missing there's not one other singular word that you can go fine that would turn my conviction over right that one word being missing it was god understand me he been having his hand on me my entire life uh so now with that word being missing i didn't receive a fair trial yeah it's it's a clerical error But you cannot assume, well, they know the word not was supposed to be there. You know, by the law, you got to assume that they took this instruction at face value. And therefore, they were instructed to, because I didn't testify, to assume that I'm guilty. Right.
Starting point is 01:58:11 I didn't get a fair trial. I got to go back for a fair trial now. It took two months for me to get back to court because the state get the chance to, like, appeal the decision. So I get back to the county, took. two months later, go through my start going through, I'm not innocent. I just want on the technicality. Yeah, yeah, you just get a new trial. A new trial.
Starting point is 01:58:34 Well, my kinfolk testified on me the first trial. Yeah. Remember the female didn't identify me ever. Right. Only person that harmed me was my kinfolk. Right. He didn't want to do that. He did that because he was facing that elbow, that life sentence.
Starting point is 01:58:50 And, you know, he got that off of him. And now I got a second trial. there's no incentive to get him to testify on me now. What did he get? He ended up getting 31 to 55. Okay. He's still in jail. No, he's out now.
Starting point is 01:59:06 No, now he is then. At that time, he was still in prison? Yeah. He could have testified. You're going to give him something more for a second time? No, no, they can't give him a second deal. Really? In the state?
Starting point is 01:59:17 In the state. In Nebraska, at least. In the feds, they'd have given him a second deal. So listen, they, it's the same case. I guess, I don't know. They cannot give him a second bonus for this same situation. So he got his bonus for testifying the first time. He's good.
Starting point is 01:59:33 Now I got a second trial that he can't get no incentive for. Right. He ain't fucking with him. You know what I mean? So now you've got one woman that says you weren't there. Exactly. But they're saying that they can use his transcripts from the first trial, which is a bluff tactic if you ask me.
Starting point is 01:59:51 But my, even my lawyers is like, they don't know if they're going to be to get it in. We like, we could, my lawyers say, oh, I got two of the lawyers again. My lawyers say, oh, well, we could do cross-examine them. Prosecutions say he was cross-examined the first trial. It was different lawyers? Yeah. I didn't cross-examine. Anyway, it was like, it was a topic that was in the air that, I'm right, like I say, blood.
Starting point is 02:00:15 It's an argument. It's an argument. So with the case not being strong, they come at me with 40 years. They didn't come at with, they didn't come at with, they didn't come. come with no plea bargains the first trial situation, right? They come with 40 years. I ain't doing that. On 40, you got to do 20, right?
Starting point is 02:00:36 I'm being down like three. Like, three is some change or something. Like, that means I got to do 17 more and I just want my appeal. My mind should is I'm going home. Nah, I ain't taking 17 more. I ain't taking 40 years. They come at me with 30 years. Let's go to trial.
Starting point is 02:00:53 They ain't got no case. Let's go to trial. They come in me with 20 years. Let's go to trial. I'm not thinking about going to do no more time when I win my appeal. Y'all coming at me with these deals because y'all don't got nothing. And I ain't accepting what you're offering. Either give me time served or let's go to trial.
Starting point is 02:01:12 That's what I stands. So when they come at me with the 20 years and I deny that, my lawyers call my mom. They said, basically, your son tripping. You know what I mean? had 130 years and trying to give him 20 years, which means he would have to do 10. You already got three and some change in. About seven.
Starting point is 02:01:32 You know what I mean? Six is some change. Plus he'd go to work release, you know what I mean, three, four years. So he's tripping. Mom come visit me in the county. I'm like, mom, I'm not taking no 20 years. I ain't got nothing.
Starting point is 02:01:48 Long story short, mom's put their little spell on me. And I'm like, all right. I said, all right, I take the 20. So when I take the, when I tell myself, I'm going to take the 20, my brain switch. I say, man, you know what? Celebrate. So what?
Starting point is 02:02:05 You know, six is some change, more. So what? You had 130. Celebrate this. Feel good. Don't feel sad. This is a win. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:02:13 This is a victory. That mindset began to come out. I'm on the phone. Calling different people, you know, little friends. It's like, hey, listen, man, look, all right, I'll be home, you know what I mean, about five of them, you know, about four, five of them, I'll be in work release, you know. And then, you know, I've been working with this for a minute, but when I'm in work release, I can still move around and I'm celebrating through these phone calls. Now, I go to court to actually take the deal in formally. That first, it was just my lawyers bringing it to me.
Starting point is 02:02:47 Yeah. All right, I'll take it. We go to court to take it. When I walk into the courtroom, my family is like not looking happy. They're looking like scared, worried, not good. So I'm fucked up off the dribble. Sit at the table. My lawyer's like, uh, that victim's family doesn't approve of the deal.
Starting point is 02:03:10 It's off the table. Back to square one. I'm in the county. They're saying, the prosecution is saying we're going to trial. Okay. They're like, we're not giving you $2. 20 years. What you did was too horrific. We are not going to give you 20 years. We would take the chances of losing trial before we give you 20 years. The least we're going to give you is 30 years.
Starting point is 02:03:32 I ain't taking it. I got rap dreams. I got, you know, I got ghetto dreams, sorry. I got dreams that are unachieved at the moment. I'm not taking 30 years. That's 15. I got to bring y'all like 12 more. I'm not taking 30 years. They tell my mom again. They're in my mom, my weak spot. They call my mom. Listen, I think your son should take it. It's guaranteed you come home.
Starting point is 02:04:01 You know, trial is a risk. You know, no matter how sure it may seem, there's still a risk. And I would hate to be in a position of, you know, whatever. She come visit me. Mom, I'm not taking her 30 years, mom. Mom, I got so much to do. My babies would be certain, such age. She's like, mom, like, they don't got nothing.
Starting point is 02:04:24 I'm going to trial. She bring my baby mom with her, though. And they start crying. Mom's like, I never thought I'll see you again outside of a visiting room. And, man, long story short, man, I remember crying with him. And I said, I said, all right.
Starting point is 02:04:44 And she's like, what? You would take it? No, I think I said, yeah. I said one word. But I didn't explain with that one word meant, but she just latched on tour said, what, you would take it? Say, yeah, I'll take it.
Starting point is 02:04:59 And they start thanking me and like, okay, we got your back. And, you know, like, listen, this is a win and, you know, trying to make me feel good. But I'm like, man, it's my motherfucking prime in my life over with. Shit ain't no good. So, but I still say I'm going to take it though.
Starting point is 02:05:16 And a visit with them, I get on the phone with my lawyers. I ain't taking no 30 years. I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't do it, man. So I say, man, I started to pieces together now. I said, what happened is, there ain't no victim family, nothing. I said, they heard me on these phone calls celebrating and being happy about this 20 years. So now I come to court, they're like, no, we can get some more time I just do.
Starting point is 02:05:43 So this is what I'm telling myself. I said, man, listen, first they said, first they said 20 years, now they're saying 30 years, we can do 25. We're meeting the middle and do 25 or we're going to trial. That's it. They said, okay, I'll take it to them. See what they say. They accept it.
Starting point is 02:06:03 And the beauty and it is, in order for me to get 25 locked in, they had to change my charges. My original charges attempted murder, conspiracy to murder, use of a weapon to commit a felony, a witness tampering. Those charges together was matched like, 50, 50, 50, 155 years.
Starting point is 02:06:26 So if I accept the deal, the judge still got the discretion to sentence me anywhere in that range, even though the prosecution is saying whatever number. So you give them a max out sentence? Yeah, so the judge wouldn't accept. Sorry, a max out charge. Sorry. So the judge wouldn't agree to 25 years, right? And it's good that we found that out because if we didn't find that out, I would agree
Starting point is 02:06:51 to something they didn't go get whacked. But the judge wouldn't sign off on 25 years, but now the prosecution had to modify their charges. Now my charges are, with some of my record, are attempted assault an accessory to a felon. Some bullshit. No, I mean, but in order, one of the charges carry a maximum of 20 years
Starting point is 02:07:14 and the one carry a maximum of five years. The max the judge could give me is 25 years. Right. So it gave me the max. 25 years I had to do 12. Was you happy about that? I mean, I was cool. No, not you.
Starting point is 02:07:27 Was the judge happy? Hell no. Hell no. That's one of the reason I moved out of Nebraska, man. I feel like I'm a target, like, to the system. Like, if they get any opportunity, man, they're going to make an example. They can't create an example. But one thing I can't skip overall, sauce is innocent.
Starting point is 02:07:47 Right. Right. during the proceedings of my appeal or after my appeal. After I win my appeal, I'm not at peace in here, right? How I win my appeal? He didn't win his. Like this life still ain't right.
Starting point is 02:08:06 I'm so thankful that God didn't turn this around for me. But what's right about this? When you got this guy still here, I got to fix it. You know what I mean? If God ain't going to fix it, I'm not saying that he ain't, but I guess I'm more in the rush. I had to step up to the plate. The beauty in the situation is that the victim didn't die, and I'm thankful.
Starting point is 02:08:30 The victim didn't die because I would much rather end my life here with knowing I didn't take a life, you know, even though in that moment that's what I wanted. So I'm happy that that end it didn't take place. But the beauty in it is that there's statute of limitations. on that charge now. Right. Right. So now, after I win my appeal, statute of limitations pass, I come forward.
Starting point is 02:08:56 Right. Everything y'all said this man did, I did that. Right. And you've already been sentenced? Yeah. You've already done the time. Yeah. So his brother had basically went along with the victim statement because he don't know,
Starting point is 02:09:11 like I said, you know, got on the mask or whatnot. Like, you know, I didn't just. you know, show myself or whatever. And he just went with her story. But through going with her story, he gave off some lies, you know, because he's just trying to tag team with the story. He's saying stuff he don't really know. So he's saying like, bam, after the situation, we do the gun in a certain spot.
Starting point is 02:09:36 The police went and searched that spot. There's no gun there. If he was telling you the truth, this was underground sewer. If he was telling you the truth, then the gun would be there. So to validate that I'm telling you the truth, you got an innocent man locked up. Not only am I telling you I did it, this is how I did it, but this is where I put the gun at. Right. This shows true story, false story.
Starting point is 02:10:04 I did that in courtroom, and can't folks still locked up, been locked up 18 years now. Did they find the gun? I mean, I can't say that they did or they didn't. I know I gave them the information that, you know, this is the exact location. And let me say this real quick, giving them the information, you understand, we don't let that get received the wrong way. This case is already in the books, you understand, we've wrapped up or whatever. This information is being shared to bring a man home. Information that I'm guilty of, it's where I put the gun at.
Starting point is 02:10:38 Why is he still locked up? Was it in the basket? There's just fighting. Yeah, they don't, the guy that really did it then got off. Yeah. They can't do nothing to me. So what they want to just, all right, no, they want to play tick for tech. Right.
Starting point is 02:10:53 All right. Well, we're going to keep one of y'all in. And it's so crazy because I was in work release at the time when this happened. And he had a hearing come up for his appeal proceedings. And I attended his hearing. and, you know, I let them know, like, hey, I'm responsible for X, Y, Z, and, you know, this is that and this is that. I put it on the table. I ain't break no law.
Starting point is 02:11:19 I ain't break no corrections department rules or anything. But after that court date, went back to work release, I didn't make it back to my bunk. Right. They cuffed me up. Send me back to the joint. maximum security no write-up no law violation
Starting point is 02:11:41 or rule violation nothing it's just a retaliatory system right I mean you ain't you ain't gonna beat us
Starting point is 02:11:49 and so you didn't score some points we'll be gonna score back yeah so again I got to say man the forefront of my story is that
Starting point is 02:11:58 you got a man my brother DB a k a.k.a. Tyrese Abram my kinfolk who was also of my brother, Jamal Abram, aka Sauce.
Starting point is 02:12:11 DB has lost his life with the wrong label attached to it, and Sauce is innocent. And the system knows this. Yeah, they don't care. Yeah. Yeah, I got out October 21st, 2021. And since coming home, man, I just been having my head down. held on the swivel at the same time,
Starting point is 02:12:47 very ambitious, you know, trying to live up to my end of God having something great at the end of this journey. Throughout this journey, man, one of the greatest things I felt like, man, the story itself, I feel like he gave me something that I'm supposed to use
Starting point is 02:13:04 in a way and put a spin on it, you know, for exposure. I'm sorry, but the exposure is needed is multi-beneficial. The exposure cures the situation, you know, brings justice, you know, and answers to a grieving family. Exposure also gives freedom to a guy that's wrongly incarcerated. But I think exposure can be something that's pivoted from
Starting point is 02:13:37 that changes the trajectory of, like, a generation, and at least, you know, what I'm connected to and as far as my reach go. So I've been sharing my story. I've done another podcast. And I just got to say that, you know, throughout sharing my story, as I mentioned before, man, it has caused sadness and grief to some people.
Starting point is 02:14:05 And I do still want to, I'm still going to, you know, advocate for my story. but I don't want to do so in a way, man, that causes pain and grief and hardship to others. So I'm doing my best, you know, to dial back from that, but I still encourage, you know, people to tap in. And one product they got to tap in with is the book series. Oh, my God. Listen, I discovered the talent. I find the good and everything bad I go through.
Starting point is 02:14:37 throughout the situation, I would have never knew I was a hell of an author if I didn't go through this. I am an amazing author. You don't say so yourself. Listen, it's not just because it's me. If you read it,
Starting point is 02:14:52 if you tap into it, man, you're going to experience every emotion you can think of. You're going to disappear from whatever room, whatever realm, whatever room you're in, and you're going to be tapped into my universe. Like, for real.
Starting point is 02:15:07 But the series is called a buck 30. That's the main title. All of them are buck 30, which is synonymous for 130 years. The first one is a buck 30, the reason I lost a little bro. The second one is a buck 30, the revenge, self-explanatory. The third book is a buck 30, the run. you know it's a lot that took place in that phase besides actually you know trying to stay low from police uh the fourth one is actually done man but this in-between phase i being in of trying to
Starting point is 02:15:53 move forward in a considerate manner got me on pause with it uh four is done but i haven't released it yet uh it's a buck 30 the ring and that's when i get caught everything go bad, you know, 130 years, and everything that came with that, people disappearing, you know, man, life got heavier. And the last book is a buck 30 to refund. Like, take that back.
Starting point is 02:16:21 I didn't want it for real. You know what I mean? I got a clothing line, everybody eat. That's my brand. My brand does everybody eat, like my chain, everybody eat. I got a clothing line for that, brand, but more so what it's for, man.
Starting point is 02:16:40 I want, I'm trying to create a cooperative economics platform for my people, right? Just like I come from, man, from selling candy back in the day and selling, you know, legal stuff or whatever. We've always had the ability, you know, the drive, the skill set to go get something that we didn't have and sell it to somebody that wanted it. and make a profit out of it. We've just been applying that skill set to the wrong lifestyle. So my company is aimed to produce products and services
Starting point is 02:17:16 that enables, you know, hustle-minded individuals to sell these products and services and make their commission like they did with the bad products. Right. Do the same thing but in the legal way. Don't worry about the cops. Don't worry about robbery. Don't worry about, you know, prison or, you know, plodding
Starting point is 02:17:35 or, you know, fuckery or thievery or whatever. Let me let you be you, but what you're selling can't fit you in jail. That's what my, you know, my vision is. I want to work with the youth, you know, high school is where I fear it off into the wrong path. I got a passion to tap me in with them and also for guys coming out of prison.
Starting point is 02:17:57 I've encountered some hardships coming home. I had to, you know, jump through loopholes on, find a crib and stuff like that. that I know people go through the same kind of hurdles. And if they mindset ain't right, them hurdles is going to be like walls that stop them, right? And I want to be able to enable them to get over it. Like I always tell people, I don't see hurdles.
Starting point is 02:18:20 I see the air above them. You know what I mean? And I want to share that philosophy and resources and stories and energy. I want to shift to culture. Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching. Do me favor. Hit the subscribe button.
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