Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - To Kill A Predator | A Twisted Case Of Friends, Family, and Justice

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

To Kill A Predator | A Twisted Case Of Friends, Family, and Justice

Her father was invicted of molesting her and her two sisters. So I go to the bathroom, come out, and I'm like, hey, I know what you did to your daughters. So when we started scrapping, I ended up, like, putting both hands around his neck. And then I moved to get, like, a side position. And this guy had a bull. He's like, you killed your dad. You got that night she told us that. You left.

Where were you all night? So my mother, I'm from Canada, obviously. my mother is from a small do you know what Métis is? No half Native American half white Okay So my mom's from a small Métis town

She's Métis So a very small town My grandpa was like the mayor of there And everything And he was a politician up there And all this crap But she was the youngest girl There was 13 kids

She's the youngest girl And she's a bit of a hippie And she wanted to spread her wings So she ended up moving to Toronto, Ontario and one night at a nightclub, at my uncle's nightclub, actually, she met my father, who was apparently six foot nine, very charming, very well-built man, I guess. And yeah, so she fell in love with him.

He actually sang Elvis Presley to her, and she was a huge Elvis fan. So my name was actually supposed to be Elvis, but thankfully my cousin was born a week before me. his name's Elvis and I was named after my dad so that saved me a life for torment but right so uh when he sang to her she fell in love and um so they started hanging out he took her around places whatever and made her fall in love even more and then once she was in love in love he turned her out and apparently he was a pimp and that's why he was so charming and uh yeah you put her

on the streets and he used to i'm sorry so this is something like this is what was already something he was doing when they met. Yeah. She just didn't have any idea. Yeah. She didn't know. So once that happened, she was already in love. And then she met all these girls. And then he used to sleep with all the girls. And then he ended up getting my mom pregnant. And then he married her. And so there's wedding pictures and stuff. And I'm six months in the tummy. So I tell everybody I was a product of the game. And, well, he married her, though. I mean, he must have

had some affection for. Well, it was the Italian side of the family. Right. It was the Italian family to push him towards it, I guess. But like, it's weird because my mom was a black sheep of her family. There's 12 siblings. And my dad was a black sheep of his family with 12 siblings. So pretty weird.

They ended up together. But, yeah, so he ended up, well, she ended up giving birth to me. I already had an older sister. There wasn't his. So she gave birth to me. and decided this was no life for her kids. And told one of the other girls, she was going to move back to Manitoba with her family.

And that girl ran to my dad and said, Jenny's planning on leaving with the kids. So my dad introduced her to crack. So she was addicted to crack for about a year that she'd beat it on her own, beat the addiction, and made the mistake of telling another lady that she was planning on coming home with the kids. my dad caught wind of it again and introduced her to heroin.

So some of my earliest memories... Your dad doesn't sound like a nice person. No, no, you'll hear more. You'll hear more that just makes them a total piece of garbage. Right. So my earliest memories and actually recently, because I'm part of a class action lawsuit against a priest, I had to get a bunch of, what do you call it?

not particularly a bunch of i had to get all my paperwork sorry about that i hit the computer i'd get all my paperwork from uh from when i was in care disclosure sorry i had to order all my disclosure from when i was in care and they sent it to me there's 278 pages and the stuff i read was just wholen like it was like ah mind-boggling and i remembered some of it so some of my earliest memories are um one thing i always remember is my mom would get changed in one of the rooms with all these ladies all the ones that worked for my dad and i'd be in there just like saying goodbye to her kind of while they're all naked getting dressed and there was a lot of bush in there that was like that's about 85 86 so it was just a lot of bush so anyways that's one of my earliest memories and then

i remember there was a lady that used to come by and talk to my parents my dad would get mad my mom would cry and then they leave and what I found out later was those were social workers and then one time they came and because there was we would go door to door asking for food asking for clothes asking for money but every time we got money I remember my dad would take it from us and they were leaving us alone in the apartment there was reports of us hanging out the window on the fourth floor there were some reports of me with a nine-year-old in the parking lot when I was four starting fires and stuff and uh yeah so all the stuff I read was just very like child neglect like major and then um I guess my sister went to my mom well first they had a case open against

with my family because my sister went to school bruised up but once they met me they saw how aggressive I was towards her and just said that's her brother beating her up and then a year and a half later, my sister went to school and told the teachers that she was being sexually assaulted by my dad. So they stepped in again. My dad got mad. They arrested him, brought him to the station, question him, and then he admitted to some of those things. And the thing that pisses me off, once I read all those, the disclosure and stuff, was he got less than two years for about a year of abuse to my sister and my sister was only eight because I was only five so my sister was eight but some of the things I remember too was sometimes a lot of people would come to my house

they would get high they get drunk or we go to uh what was his name uncle chikos we go to uncle chikos he had roaches you go in the bathroom there's all these like dirty pictures from magazines in his bathroom hung up on the walls and stuff but we go there or we'd be at my house and my dad would talk to somebody and that person would take my sister into a room and then my sister would come out crying and that person would give my dad drugs. So he was pimping out his eight year old stepdaughter. Like just a total piece of shit. So yeah, anyways, eventually the social workers came and they told us that like I remember actually my mom taking us to arcades or restaurants so we'd be sitting in the front playing games. There was a restaurant with a Pac-Man game. We'd sit

there and play it and my mom would go in the back with the owner. so she would take us to turn tricks too and stuff so it was quite the life but finally these the social workers came one day with uh another guy and they had this this red car that looked like an old new york taxi but it had a red light on top like a siren i guess and they told us grab your favorite toy we're going to go watch a movie so we did and we ended up in a foster home so they didn't take us to a movie they brought us to foster home and then um from what i read recently in the disclosure my mom was missing visit visits. She was laid for visits. She'd show up drunk two hours later, try to fight everybody. They got security in the one office just because of my mom. So within the first three days, no, sorry, four days. We ended up in four foster homes. So we went to an emergency one, went to another one. And then I remember we're sitting at the office. And there was a dude with a heavy, guessing it was Texas accent. But he looked at me and my sister. And he's like, well, that one's pretty charming and that little fat fucker's kind of funny.

we'll take them. They took me and my sister. But I remember him being, he was pretty cool, but it was only for overnight. And then we ended up at another foster home where I stayed for, I think, two years altogether. My mom started missing more and more visits. And one day we were at a visit.

I was six years old. And I just didn't understand why we can go home with her. I didn't understand all that stuff. I just knew I wanted to go home. and so I asked my mom and said how come we can't go home with you and she said you just you have to go back to Janice's we've got to figure things out first and at six years old I said fuck you you don't love us anymore and I went sat in the back of the transport van

and waited for my sister to be finished her visit and then we got driven back to our foster home so where was your father my father was in jail okay yeah he was in jail for what he did to my sister thankfully but two years is fuck all for all that so um so this foster mom wanted to adopt us and once again what i learned recently was my dad was totally against it he wasn't given up his parental rights my mom was willing because she was a good foster mom and this and that and we always told her that she treated us good and then um yeah so the next after i sent it to my mom she missed the next visit

and my sister explained to me that mom's sick, just got to give her time, she's going to get better, you know, and we'll get to go home. So I said, okay. And so the next week, we're getting dressed for visits and our social worker always showed up

and called our names and we come running down, get in the van, and we go. So my sister's helping me get dressed. We call us downstairs. We come running down the stairs and halfway down the stairs. And this was the last time I remember being truly happy

because we were going to see my mom. I was going to apologize. I was going to tell her, I'm sorry for what I said, sit on her lab, give her a hug. So as we're running down the stairs, I noticed there's my social worker, my foster mom, and another lady who turned out to be my dad's attorney. I don't know why she was there.

And the foster mom said, come and sit in this living room. Now the shitty thing about that false. home was she had one living room that had crayons, papers, shitty wooden toys. And then she had a living room for her real kids that had video games, VCR, TV, nicer couches. So yeah, so when she told us to come into that living room, I knew something was up. So I was sitting on my foster home's lap. The attorney was in the middle. My sister was on the social worker's lap. And the social worker said

something really awful happened to your mother. Right away I knew I got this hot feeling through my body I was only six but I knew right away and I looked at my sister and I realized my sister didn't clue in yet so I was like did she break her arm

did she break her leg? Was she in a car accident? Did a dog bite her? Like just any question I could think of to stop them from saying what they were going to say and yeah every answer was no no no and then I just ran out of questions and they said your mother died

and then my sister screamed so loud and she grabbed me and she hugged me she said no junior not mama not mama and I was just like and I remember staring at that social worker just listening my sister scream so we brought my sister upstairs

she cried herself to sleep I went downstairs to the veranda and this this foster mom Janice who was always nice to me always like very nerds except for when it came to like how she treated her kids you know that was the only thing I didn't like but it was the lady I trusted after what I went through at home so I'm sitting on the back for and I remember watching the sun go down and at six

years old I was thinking no one's ever going to hit my mom again my mom's never going to be drunk again no one's ever going to hurt her no one's ever going to make her cry again but I was bala my eyes open but I was thinking that and then the sliding door opened in my foster mom said quit your fucking whaling and slammed the door and I stopped right there and I was just like holy shit so this lady was so nice to me like all this shit happened so or that happened sorry and it just it just shook me and I was like okay well I'm not sure about this lady no more blah blah blah um apparently before she died they were talking about my uncle adopting my sister and I my older sister right a week before

she died um she gave birth to my baby sister So my grandpa won custody of my oldest sister and I, and he was going to figure out which uncle and auntie we go to live with. And then my baby sister, my uncle and auntie flew to Toronto and adopted her. The day after the adoption papers were signed, my mom killed herself. So she made sure we were taking care of first with her family. So and then she gave herself a hot shot heroin. And the report say she died July 1887 in a flop house surrounded by people that did. give a shit about her. So that was pretty heartbreaking to read that. Because I knew she

killed herself. I didn't know the situation. I didn't know where it happened or anything like that. So once I read this disclosure, I read all that shit. So we're going to live with, we're going to move to an Indian reservation in Manitoba here with her brother. And I remember my foster mom's dad used to come. I used to love the smell of his pipe. He smoke a pipe. I'd love that smell. we were allowed to eat granola when he was there for breakfast like all this stuff he was a pretty cool guy his wife was blind so they had a seeing eye dog named Penny I still remember that and she was like the best dog ever

and he used to stand at the top of the stairs and he'd sing today's the day that teddy bears have their picnic I'm not sure if you know that song but he'd sing that to us with all the doors open and then one day as I'm laying there going to sleep he came in there tucked in His two real grandkids came over to me, kissed me on the cheek, and then reached under my blanket. And I was like, whoa, what the... And I pushed them away, and I was like, what the heck?

So the next morning, as soon as I woke up, I told my foster mom, she fucking lost her mind on me. Like, she just, there's no way you do that, blah, blah, what's wrong with you? Grabbing by the arm, put me in the corner. I had to stand in the corner for about four hours. That was our punishment at the corner. So I had to stand there for about four hours. And then on the day of my mom's funeral, she was helping me get dressed.

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saying, is this what your dad used to do to you? Like just until it ripped on my zipper. So now I'm like, what the heck? Like so much has changed in this one week from this lady that I used to love that I used to trust. It was just, like, horrible. So I told, it was the day of my mom's funeral, too, was right before the funeral.

And I remember during the funeral, we walked in, and I see my dad sitting there with two guards. He's handcuffed shackled. There's a bunch of other shitty people that I wish didn't show up. Just like you tell the junkies and shit, just, you know, the ones that were probably around my mom when she died. And then they took us in the back behind this curtain. And I was only sick.

So from my line of view, I could see cotton in her nose. I could see her lips sewn shut. Her eyes were sewn shut. I'm not sure if they do that anymore, but I could see all that. And it was just a whole was really, so once a funeral was over, I went to my social worker. And I said, hey, Donna, Janice did this to me. And I think she's mad because what her dad tried to do. so my social worker says to me hey just be brave and hang in there you guys are moving soon so i'm like

okay so we go home and we used to have our bedtime was 5.30 in the evening so we get home from school do whatever homework we had to do eat dinner and then we have to say mom can we be excused from the table and then we right after that we go for bath mom can be excused from the bath so one day i yelled the mom, can I be excused from the bath? She came in there, reached in the tub, grabbed my penis again like this, and squeeze so hard that it hurt to piss for like a week. And then just after that went away, I was drying off in the bathroom. She came in there again. They did the same thing. And just, it was crazy. So when I read all the disclosure, it's talking about how much I loved her, how much I said I trusted her, how I felt safe in her home.

and then the day we leave to go live with my uncle she's trying to say goodbye to us and I ran to the plane I didn't even look at her I didn't look back I just ran to the plane so yeah

so that's pretty freaking traumatized and yeah so we moved to my uncle's reserve is called Split Lake Indian Reserves here in Manitoba and I remember for the first few nights

I couldn't sleep because it's so quiet you hear dogs once in a while in Toronto like you'd hear like screaming, yelling, cops, this and that. Newmarket wasn't that bad. Did you ever see the foster mother again? No.

Never sure. Okay. No. But when I was 11, I think, a lady came from Toronto to interview us because we were still under Toronto care or Ontario care for some reason. And she told us that she died from her brain aneurysm. So I was like,

thanks. It was good. My sister balderized her, but my sister didn't know what happened though. Right. But I was just like, yeah, thank you. But yeah, so when we move there, a week within getting there, I find out that my uncle, like, sends his kids to Sunday school. So we're going to Sunday school with my cousins.

They leave. And I tell this, there's a native priest and there's a white priest. So I tell the native priest, hey, my mom just died. Can you make sure she's in heaven? So he's like, oh, come talk to this guy. So I go to this back office, we start talking. Boom, the priest fucking makes it move on me. Like, right after moving to somewhere where I thought I was safe.

Right. This priest does whatever, tries to get, well, gets his hand in my pants, and I just freak out and I leave. So my uncle sends us the next week, not knowing what happened, because I didn't say anything. And then the priest asked me to help trim trees outside because they're touching the church. So I said, okay, and we're going to pray for your mom.

we do need healing so we're going to do that so I said okay and next you know I'm face down on the ground and he did the ultimate the ultimate sexual assault to be at six years old and after that he's like crying and he's like I'm so sorry the devil this temptations and he goes but if you say anything to anybody I'll make sure you go back to a foster home now the thing with me I'm only six but I know I just came from what was it called Catholic Children's Aid Society. So to me, I don't know there's Lutheran, there's Catholic. I didn't know all that stuff. Right.

I just knew Catholic meant church. And this guy, I think it was the Lutheran church or something. But he said that. So I just thought Catholic foster home, priest, Catholic connected to foster home. He could probably make this happen. I don't want to go back to that foster home. so I didn't end up saying anything they went and then the third week he somehow taught me into going outside again it happened again I went home and I told my uncle I was like I don't want to go to church somewhere and I think he saw something in my eyes and he told me I don't have to go anymore and uh yeah then I life got slowly better um do you do you know what residential schools are um is that where you is that like a where you actually live at the school?

Yeah, but it was forced by the church to Aboriginal people, to native people. They would come and physically take their kids from them and put them in this school run by the church, run by nuns and priests. If you spoke your language, you got beaten up. All the girls had their braids cut off, and braids are a big thing in the native culture. Right. And another thing, if the parents didn't give up their kids, they'd be sure. threatened with jail.

So they had no choice because if they're in jail, they can't take care of their kids, so they'd take them anyways. Right. And recently, within the last couple of years, they've been finding unmarked graves. They found 215 unmarked graves in Colonna, B.C., around a residential school. So, and there's crazy stories. Like, it's all coming out now. There's this thing called Truth in Reconciliation in Canada, and it's about the church.

Like, the Pope came to Edmonton and apologized to all the native people for residential schools. and it's just the stories you hear are just horrific. Like it's like burnt babies in the furnace. Priest getting some of the students pregnant like at a really early age. It's just horrible. So once those went away. Yeah, there's a school here in Florida.

Like a Juvie Hall where, you know, you stayed in the juvenile aisle. And this was back in the, I want to say it was in 1930s, 40s and 50s. they've found a couple hundred bodies of children that were in the school because what they would say is you know like back then you know you're a poor you're a poor family your kid gets in trouble he gets you know whatever a couple of years in the juvie wherever it is you know the juby hall i forget the name of it where it is down here and uh if they showed up six months later or a month later or even two years later to go find out where their kid was or visit or

something. They'd just say, oh, he ran away. Oh, my God. And nobody, and it was a bad kid anyway. He was already committing crimes. And this was back in the 30s or 40s or 50s. I forget what the name of it is. It's a big deal down here. And so I, like, I hate to even say that, you know, the win it was because I know everybody's going to be telling me in the comment section, they were screaming, like, it was 1978. Yeah. There's like hundreds of bodies and found. And, you know, they just, You know, these are, and there's, you know, sadistic guards and, you know, raping the children or beating them. The kids were getting in trouble and they just beat them to death. The kid didn't end up dying.

They just bury the body. And who's going to believe them? There's a, yeah, the kid's going to believe the guard and the warden there and the, or, you know, or the kid who or a couple of kids that are saying, no, he, they beat him to death. Well, you're just a bad kid. No. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Or why would those kids say much at all?

They're locked up. You'll be next. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So fear. Yeah, this is almost like that Except these aren't kids that committed crimes, you know Yeah, yeah, these are just, okay, just Aboriginal,

I'm sorry, Aboriginal, I'm sorry, Aboriginal, indigenous. Yeah, indigenous that ended up at this. Just because it was forcefully taken away. So it's almost the same thing except that's not criminal. They used to do that to the Indians in the U.S. Well, yeah, the Indians, we're Indians, native Indian. I'm saying in the U.S., I knew there were schools that they would send them That's exactly what's going on up here, or what was going on up here.

So the same thing, the residential schools, I think there was one in Pennsylvania where they went and they put a bunch of, they call it now, they call it Orange Shirt Day. So for Truth and Reconciliation Day, which is September 30th, everyone wears an orange shirt. It says every child matters. And I think what they did in Pennsylvania was they put teddy bears and a pair of shoes, kids' shoes for every single grave they found. So that's what they're doing up here. But I know for sure there was one in Pennsylvania.

But so a residual of that is Indian Day School, which I went to on that reserve. It's a normal school, but it's run by the government. So they send in white teachers and stuff. And grade two, I had a teacher that I was a big mouth, those loud mouths, whatever. But she put soap in my mouth and then slap me around while I was in there in grade two.

And then in grade four, I had a teacher that used to grab us like this and pull our face up until we get into our cheeks. He'd kick us over in our desks and you'd kick us while we're down. And so, and that's like a residual of residential school. So a lot of people, unfortunately, say, well, you've so long ago get over it. The residential schools, why are you whining about it? What's wrong with you Indians? You know, it's so long ago, forget about it. And it wasn't that long ago because I went to Indian Day School, and I'm supposed to.

42, right, which is a residual of residential school. And I still talk to people on, because I live on a reserve right now. I live on my, my wife's reserve. And, uh, I speak to people all the time that it had been to residential school. And it's just, it's hard breaking hearing their stories and stuff. But, uh, so yeah, so that was, that was, like, um, I learned to hunt and trap, which was awesome with my uncle. And, uh, it was, it was a good time there except the whole priest thing. But luckily, I never had to go back to church. And then I forget exactly what happened, but something else happened with my sister, with my uncle's in-laws. So we had to move. So instead of dealing with it, we just got sent away to my uncle that adopted my baby

sister. So we're living with him. And my sister one day decides she's going to tell our baby sister, hey, auntie Jenny was actually your mom, not your auntie that died. She was your mom. Uncle Greg and Auntie Ronnie, aren't your real parents? That's your auntie and uncle. So when Kara asked my uncle, my uncle sits us down and says, who the fuck told Kara this? And my sister Lisa looks at me and I'm a bad kid. So she looks at me and goes, well, I'm pretty sure with Dale. And I'm like, fuck. So I got like a bolted on my life. So we got sent away because they didn't want her knowing the real story. But I was a bad kid.

I remember one time I used to go in my uncle's pockets or my auntie's pockets before school. And I'd take like, back when they had $2 bills, I'd take a $2 bill, $1 bill, and I'd buy whatever lunch. And one day I reached his pocket and I pulled out $480. And I was like, holy shit. A nice lick. Yeah.

So I put my pocket, I go to school. I'm in grade 6. So I go to school, and my uncle shows up. So how old would you be 12? That's what, 11, 12? 11, 11, yeah. So my uncle shows up to my school wearing cowboy boots, Edmonton Oiler sweatpants, which is a hockey team up here,

I'm not sure if you're familiar with NHL, but he's wearing NHL sweatpants with cowboy boots, a wife feeder tucked in and a cowboy hat with those sunglasses that turn dark when you go outside. Right. So he shows up. But I'm more embarrassed than I am scared. My uncle's standing at the door like, where the fuck's dead? So he calls me out, he asked me, did you take that money?

I said, what money? And I'm denying it, denying it. So me being a little fat kid that loves candy, on my way home, I stop at this corner store, which is a trailer, it's called K&M. And I go there and I bought like dinosaur gummies, Dorito chips, two-liter pop. And I go home with it. And my uncle's like, where the fuck did you get that? And I was like, oh, I found it in the dumpster.

Yeah. I was like, it found in the dumpster. So he phones K&M. He goes, hey, was my nephew there? And he goes, yeah, the fat one. And he goes, all the money. Yeah. Well, I hit it by a fence and I took 20 bucks in the time every day.

So when she confirmed that I was there, he hung up, he said, get to the basement. He gave me, because that was his rent. So he gave me a lick in every day until the next month when he paid his rent. So, and I took it like a champ. I never told him where the money was. I never admitted to it. So, but yeah, but my, my, my. My hunger got me busted.

So, yeah, so after that, we moved to a foster home in Winnipeg. And I guess my mom's final wish, I don't know who she told, but her final wish was that me and my older sister would never be split up, that we'd be together. So even when we were supposed to move from Toronto, my one uncle didn't want me. He just wanted my sister. And then my other uncle said he'll take both of us. So that's why we ended up with that one.

but my other uncle adopted a girl out of the family who's a really cool cousin of mine so that worked out but so we ended up in Winnipeg we were in a foster home together my sister and I and we started fighting and I remember one time she hit me in the face about four times and then I picked her up slammed her on the coach put her arms and legs behind her back and I said I'll never hit you but if you ever touch me again I'll fucking hurt you so as soon as that happened we got split up I ended up an emergency

foster home while I was there I was like I like this place. And then my foster dad said, oh, you sure? You don't know the true story here, man. And I was like, well, I like it. I like it. So we decided I'd go live with him. So, yeah, so I lived with him. We had this respite worker who was awesome. She was going to school to be a social worker. And he was only, I think he was only 24. And he had four of us by himself. And he had a couple respite workers there. But yeah, what I liked about his house was he used to sit us down in a circle and force us to talk about our past and he would make us like he'd force us to heal basically and if we tried to bullshit he'd call us on it and then we couldn't leave the

circle unless we talked about something so you're really cool guy and the lady that was just in here helping me set this whole thing up that's a respite worker because once she stopped working for him they started dating and then they got married and now I live like 50 minutes away from them in a different town. So everything worked out there, the best people I've ever met in my life. The only good foster home I've ever been in. So everything worked out there, which was awesome. And then something happened when I was there.

I got in trouble so I couldn't stay there. And I ended up in emergency foster home. And he moved out to where she lives. They ended up getting married. And then her dad's a farmer. So they started, you start farming. Now he runs the farm and all the stuff. But I had to go to an emergency foster home, and I didn't understand why I had to leave.

So I rounded up a bunch of friends. We went to the house we used to live in, ran through the walls, ripped up the toilets, ripped up the sinks. We did $30,000 damage. And to them, we were having a good time partying. To me, I'm like, you fucking hurt my feelings. This is me getting revenge because I didn't understand why I had to leave. But what happened was I had assaulted one of our foster brothers. I didn't realize because they have different levels of needs.

So he was a level five. And when my foster dad told me I had to leave, he goes, he's a level five. You're a level two. You're only here because I love you. And that's when I was like, fuck. So that's when I got put in the emergency foster home. But I still didn't fully understand it. So that's why I wanted to get revenge on him.

That's why I smashed up his house. And how we got busted was the next day. I guess a real estate agent came to show it. And there's all these little brown kids laying on the store with bottles and dust. So, yeah, next year you know, we hear Rupert, Wittipig police, we're surrounding the house, blah, blah, so I run upstairs. I try to hide in his shower. My foster dad's old shower.

And then I remember climbing onto the ceiling or climbing under the little ledge on the roof. And then I heard the dog and I was like, fuck. And then this cops like, get down from there. before you fall, you fat fuck. And I remember laughing and I was like, okay, I'm going in the room, don't bring the dog, please. So I climbed back in the window, laid down. They arrested me and I ended up in the youth center, like June.

How old were you? I was 13 by then. Okay. Yeah. So I ended up in juvie and then I ended up getting put in this. It's like a group home, but it's a locked group home. So it was a locked facility and, excuse me. But they only had, they had like magnetic doors.

So we used to work, Hey Kitchen. We only had vending machines, so we get paid in tunis just for the vending machines. So everyone would pay me 10 tunis, line up, I'd smash the door open, and then I'd block the guards from coming. Because I was a big kid, I was 240 at 13 years old. So I blocked the guards from chasing them. They'd all run out. I'd have a big hand of change, and I'll go running. Yeah, so I got in trouble lots for that.

And then, let's see, played rugby a lot most of my life. Got in trouble again when I was 16 for... bank fraud, I think it was. Bank fraud, for what? It's just crappy bank fraud. Well, I was with this girl. She found out I was, I told her I was 21. Like, okay, I have two daughters that were born when I was 17, so I made them when I was 16.

Their moms, I had a full beard when I was 13. Their moms are 20, so I told them both, I was 21, and we ended up having kids again. I have, I'm 42, I have two 25-year-old daughters. But, so I was living with this girl, I ran away from a group home. and I was 14 I think I think it was 14 and she was 22 but she thought I was 25 and then one day I was reading her diary

and she was kind of catching on and she's just saying she's kind of sick of me being at the house with my friends and this and that so I was like wait she changed her pin number on her card to my nickname so I was like I know her fucking yeah I'm going to go on the run so I took her bank card I did the empty envelopes but I'd do it on a Thursday because I knew they wouldn't catch it until Tuesday.

So I could have Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Then they'd catch it on Tuesday, it'd be no good. So it was fraud over 5,000 and I got thrown in the youth center for that. Got out when I was 16. I was too big for, what did they say? I was too big for foster homes and too manipulative for group homes. So they gave me my own place. So I got my own apartment.

Actually, before I turned 16, got my own apartment. I lived on their own. There's a part of this that I was thinking I don't want to get into because Andrew Tate got charged with human trafficking because of what he was saying. Right. But let's just say at 16, I kind of got into some shit. Right.

I understand. I was living pretty good, actually. And then when I was 18, this is where the fun stories come in. When I was 18, I had a bunch of girls around me. Well, first off, I was going to throw down. listen to the story because it's pretty shitty, but there was this girl I met who once again was a lot older than me. And she told me, because I had these girls, so she told me you either choose me and we live happy, we'll have the white picket fence, this and that, or you can

pick these girls and go do your thing. Right. But I was so, I just, I didn't trust women. I didn't love. I didn't trust women. It just seemed like they all left me. And like as a kid, like my mom dying, all that shit. I just didn't want to latch on to any woman. So I thought the safest thing for myself would be to pick these girls. So she said, my cousin offered me an opportunity to go on the road with the carnival. I was like, oh, you'll be a fucking carny and go ahead. So she went all over Canada, all over the States. And then one night, there was a bunch of us sitting there. So even though I was doing illegal shit, I still had a job. And it was, it was Manitoba Youth and Care Network.

And it was kind of like the What? Manitoba Youth and Care Network. So working with foster kids, stuff like that. And it was kind of with the children's advocate of Manitoba. So one day, a bunch of us are sitting there. And I have a friend I grew up with. And she said, I need to ask you a question.

It's very important. I'm not looking for sympathy. I just want an answer. So I said, okay, what's up? So she tells me that her father, was convicted of molesting her and her two sisters. And he only got three months. But it was followed by three months house arrest

where he legally had to stay in the same house as the victims. And I was like, that's the worst miscarriage of justice I've ever seen for a victim. And then she goes, yeah, and then obviously it happened again. This time there was four of them, her and her three sisters. So this time he got 12 months, followed by three months house arrest. And I'm like, what? Oh, fuck.

Like, are you serious? And she's like, yeah. I was like, that's why I'm asking you, like, you work with, did you ever, kids arrested? And I said, not directly. I said, I just do like file work and stuff. And she's like, oh, okay, so you wouldn't know that? I was like, I've never seen that in my life.

I'd never seen somebody sent back to their victims legally sent back to their victims. And then she goes, yeah, well, it happened one more time. And you got 18 months plus three months house rest. that's when his wife finally decided to leave him after the third conviction she finally left him so let's just say

God is fuck I was crying I was like I couldn't help it and she said I'm not looking for sympathy like just I was wondering I was like okay I'm so sorry blah blah blah and then there was this this one gay dude there

one of my buddies borrowed 40 bucks off me and then he left and then this there was okay so there's this one girl that her mom somehow recognized me.

She used to babysit me when I was like six or five. So she knew me from Toronto all of a sudden in Winnipeg. And she's like, oh yeah, I knew your mom. And I guess her grandma's grew up together. Our moms grew up together. She used to babysit me.

So I started calling this person my sister. And it's a trans girl. So there was her and she had a trans friend with her. And she's like, oh, I thought she didn't like drugs. And I was like, I don't. Because I knew nothing more drugs by then. I did acid a couple of times, I went on 16, smoke weed once in law. And then I said, no, I don't like drugs.

She goes, why deal in him 40 bucks? I was like, because he's my buddy. He always pleased and black. And then she's like, he went to get crack. And I was like, what? Like, no, he didn't. They're like, yeah, we went to get crack. So I didn't realize if you're a crackhead, you're not waiting around.

You're going right to your dealer. I didn't know that because I didn't know about drugs. So I went to go try to find him where he always is. And I walked up and down there for two hours, didn't see him. So finally I'm like, fuck it. I'm going to call a taxi. This is in 1999, so there's pay phones and shit still. So I'm on the phone calling a taxi.

And then this guy comes from across street carrying beer. He's like, who you own the phone with? And I was like, you know a city taxi? And he's like, ask for two of them. So I said, okay, so I asked for two hung up. So while we're waiting, we start talking. And he goes, what's your name? You're a funny motherfucker?

And I was like, Dale Turkot, nice to meet you. And then he told me his name. And his first name is Kim, which is very rare for a man. And then his last name, which is a Spanish rare last name under heard. And I was just like, holy fuck, this is her dad. This was four hours after she told me what he had done. He approached me. I had no physical description of him. I didn't know if he had long hair, bald head, if he was fat, short, and nothing. I just knew his name. And he approached me four hours after she told me. So I'm like, thinking in my head, like, is this fate? Then I'm

thinking I was just planning on beating the shit out of him. So what he did? That's it. So I said, Who are you drinking with? He goes, nobody. And I said, well, I'll pay for half the beer. He goes, you pay for the cab. So I said, okay. So you go back to this place. I'm not drinking.

I made it look like I was drinking. I'm sitting on the couch, got a can of beer. And he's showing me how the Pink Floyd record syncs up with the Pink Floyd movie. You showing me this? So, well, plus, when we first got there, there was a picture of his daughter that I know. So I knew for sure it was him. Right. So I go to the bathroom, come out.

and I'm like, hey, I know what you did to your daughters. And he's like, what? I was like, I know what you did to your daughters. And this dude was Jack, too. So he took a weird stance, like not like a fighting stance, but it was just kind of a sideways, I'm ready kind of thing. And his juggler was just like, boom. So I got ready.

And then he moved towards me. And you know when you're ready to fight, as soon as someone moves, you're going to go. So he kind of moved towards me. I swung three times, missed every shot because he was going slow. and he reached out and he grabbed my dick. He just cupped it. And I was just like, well, what the fuck?

So I was like, you got a half an hour to stop. No, I'm kidding. I didn't say that. Sorry. Oh, my God. But as soon as he did that, I backhanded him and he went flying to the coach. And I'm thinking in my head,

I'm confronting you about being a pervert and you're going to be a pervert. And at this time, I'm 320 pounds, I'm six feet tall. He didn't care. I got a beard, shaved head, kind of intimidating. He didn't give a fuck. Like, this guy was a true monster. So I backhand him. We get into it.

And then I remember he tagged me right in the chin. And then I kind of went back and I was leaning on the, what is it, entertainment stand. So I'm leaning there. I telling my body to move and I can't move at all. And then he gets up and he's coming towards me. And I honestly thought in my head, like he's going to rape you or something. So everything I had, I pushed my heels to the ground. And I fell on top of them.

So we fell under the couch and then, yeah, he kept, he started hitting me in the head. And every shot he gave me, I started coming too. Right. So I started scrapping him. Another thing too, which will turn into something funny after was he wasn't wearing a belt and he had these cargo shorts on. He kept pulling them up. So when we started scrapping, he couldn't pull them up in the words. Right.

So we're fighting on the couch. I ended up like putting both hands around his neck and then I moved to get like a side position. and this fucking guy had a bowler and I'm like what the hell like this guy's an actual fucking perver so I hit him seven times right here

and yeah it's up to you if you want to edit this but his eyeball popped out and he hit my hand and I'll just say whoa because it's still attached to muscles right so then he quit moving something

okay he's dead so I get up and I'm like what the fuck just happened so I go and I look outside I don't know why I looked outside but you know when it's like dark out light inside the window is like a mirror right so I'm looking like that I move my hand and I see something moved behind me so I turn around and he's standing there and he's got his bone here sticking out his hand each finger was like because his hand was

like this so it looked like purple balloons at the end of each finger I guess his hand was crushed and all that blood pooled um eyeball hanging out foot face in the other way way, like standing there. And I honestly, I wasn't, I didn't do drugs. I wasn't drunk. But for the first time in my life, I was like, it's a fucking zombie. I actually believed he was a zombie. So I'm thinking if he comes this way, I'm going that way. If he comes this way, I'm going that way. Like, I'm going opposite of what, because he had a big coffee table that was between us. So whatever way he came, I was going the opposite way. I was getting the hell out of there. I was so scared. Like, I'd never been that scared in my life. I seriously thought it was a zombie.

So he looks at me, he's trying to say something, and he goes, I loved my princesses. And I was like, you sick, fuck. Like, through that coffee table, I grabbed him, like, give him like a rock bottom, grab him by the neck, slamming him to the couch. And I remember choking him so hard that I heard something snap. And then I looked at my hand, I went like this. I thought, like, I broke a finger. And then I looked at him and he's going,

like grabbing his throat. and then I just remember making a fist and it was such a weird feeling because when I made that fist it was like everything that ever happened to me everything that ever happened to my sister all the kids that I wasn't care with it that happened to all the files I read about kids

were molested like it felt like all their powers were in my head like almost like a super punch from victims and I remember jumping up which wasn't that high because I'm fat but I jumped up and I slammed the reins his forehead and he was gone he died right there took his last breath.

But then I went to the door and he was slumped. This time I made sure he was dead because I picked him up and I kind of shook him and I dropped him against his couch. So I went to the door, turn the handle, look back. And I was like, now you'll never do any, now you'll never do this to anybody again.

And then I ran up to him and I stomped on his, because he still had a heart on. So I stomped on his heart on. And I left. And yeah, so I guess the police, their first piece of evidence was the killer had size four king Reeboks because we had a heel print on one of his thighs and a tow print on the other. Right.

And so I go back home and there's a bunch of girls there. This was the next day. So I'm there. The day after that, the paper comes out and I read a newspaper and there's a picture that girl's dead. So apparently my best friend knew her dad and she's reading the paper and she's like, oh my God. I said what? She's like, you killed him.

I was like, I killed who? She's like, you killed your dad? And I was like, the fuck you're talking about? He goes, that night she told us that and you left. Where were you all night? I was like, I don't even know her fucking dad. And she's like, you fucking killed him. I was like, dude, I don't even know who he is.

And then, yeah, next thing you know, I'm chilling with my girlfriend. The girls were still there. And there was that my best friend, the one that was reading the paper, went to go and do her laundry and then came home. and about two minutes later there's a knock on the door and then she opens the door and she's like, oh yeah, he's right there. So two detectives come in,

they're like, Dale Turcott and I'll say, yeah. Like Dale Joseph Turquhart and we're like, yeah. They're like, we're from homicide and robbery. So she called them? Yeah, well, she was doing laundry. And this was my best friend. Like this girl was also in foster care. She was looking for her mom

because her dad kidnapped her from Manitoba and took her to her to, or no, kidnapped her from Ontario and brought her to Manitoba. And she never talked to her mom in all that time. And so I took her to the library back in the day before they had internet and shit. And we went through all those family names looking for her mom. And her mom got married. So she knew the new name.

So we're looking, we're looking. We wrote down all the names. And I remember I was at her group home. He called all of them nothing. And I said, don't worry. We'll go back to the library because she's pretty upset. She had her hopes. And it was just like a movie.

I was getting on the transit bus, and it was just like a movie. I pulled out my bus pass, and this posted note fell. There was three numbers on there. So I brought it inside and said, hey, I got three more numbers. The last one she called, hi, is this blah, blah, blah, mom? This tennis, oh my God. So after 10 years, I helped her find her mom. With the money I was making illegally, I paid for the gifts and the flight to Ontario for her to visit her mom and all that.

So we were like best friends. We'd been through hell together. and she did this to me. So at the time, I'm kind of not believing she would do that to me. So I'm thinking it's all coincidence. Right. We'll come up later what actually.

So, um, see how the cops take me out of there. They didn't handcuff me or nothing. They said, we'll be in front. So I said, okay.

So I walk out. I'm thinking right out of the back, but I'm not fast. Right. So I get to the front door, there's two squad cars unmarked. And that cop rolls down his window. He's like,

pick which one. So is it okay. So I went, got in the back one. And he goes, hey, we're going to go to burger factory to have something to eat first. Okay? And I was like, yeah. So I went to burger factory. I still wasn't handcuffed. They ordered me two burgers, fries. We ate. I was thinking of their buttering. Did you ever ask them why they were there? Like, did you ever say you're just going along with it? Or is it just a known? Or is it? I knew. I knew. I knew it was fun. No, I knew you knew. But I didn't know if you were like, hey, what's going on? This is crazy. Why Are you talking to me? When we got to the station?

I don't even know that guy. No. I made a quick joke when we got to the station. I was like, is this for that robbery last night? And they're like, ah, because it was a homicide robbery. So. But yeah, they took me to eat. I thought they were buttering me up.

But they weren't. And I got to the station. They're interviewing me. He's like, dude, I don't care what the story is. Just give me a story so I could write it down and we put you inside. So I said, okay. I said, well, how about this? Because they arrested six people from my house,

the two trans girls, my best friends, mostly my girlfriend, and two other people. So I said, all of these people that she brought in all have charges. So how about you make me a deal as a man, not as a cop to a suspect, man to man. You make me a deal that none of them will get made

on any of their charters, and I'll give you a story. And he's like, Doug. So we shook hands. I gave him a story. wasn't the real story, but I gave him a story. They let everybody out. And a couple months later, all of them beat their charters. They just threw them out.

So he was on it. He was good to his word. But what was your, the girl's name, your best friend? Tadis. Janice? Canis. Oh, with a K? Canis.

With a T. Oh, Tannis. Tannis. Okay. Yeah. So when you gave him the story, was it? Tannis killed him. Yeah.

Beat him to death. I was there. I saw the whole thing. Never seen anything like it. She's super strong for 120 pounds. For a tiny lady. Insane. Where were you back then, man?

And the weirdest thing is she was wearing my shoes, which was weird because she had to wear my shoes. I have a big shoe. Oh, that would have been good. That would have been funny. Not what? Didn't work out that way. No.

So they gave me, Tanas asked if she could say goodbye to me. before they take me away. So they gave us 15 minutes together. And then, yeah, so I get locked up. Everyone beats their charges. I'm awaiting trial. And you know what's funny is so many lawyers came to see me to try to be my lawyer.

Right. And there was one name Ken McCaffrey. He's from Winnipeg. And he has no hands. He's got like a thumb and a nub and he writes. So when he interviewed me, I was like, okay, well, nice meeting. We get up and he goes like this, where's my hand there?

He goes, I got it. So me, I'm thinking, what the fuck do we do? So I grabbed it like this and I shook. Because fist bumps weren't too popular back then. So I'm going up to the elevator and I'm like, why didn't I just fist bump him? Like, what the fuck? I shook his nose. Yeah, it was pretty funny.

You got to, you got to. Yeah, he's a little nut. A little pinky. Yeah, so finally, there's a, I call him the late grade. Greg Brodsky. He was the best murder lawyer in Canada. He did over 500 murder cases in Canada. And he just happened to be from Winnipeg. So he came to see me one day. And he goes, you know what I am? And I'm like, yeah. He's like, you want me as a lawyer? And I was like, yeah, actually. Okay, what do you want for me? Tell me the story. What happened? What happened?

So I started telling him. Bullshit. That couldn't happen because this, this and this. And there's no way that would have been like this. And I was like, what was the story? What was the story you gave him? Oh, it was something about, um, he slept the bell. No, I think I said that we were fighting and I accidentally, I had my arm over his neck and I put too much pressure. And then he called bullshit on it right away. Yeah. So I gave him a different story. He called bullshit again.

And he goes, I'm your lawyer. They can't record. I'm not recording. Tell me what's going on. I'll tell you the real story. I'm like, okay. So I told him the real story. He goes, now we can work.

Now he can work. He goes, what do you want from me? and I said, I'll do 10, I'll do 20, I just don't want life because I'm not sure how it works in the States, but in Canada, if you get life, as soon as you get out, say you get out in the 25 or the 10, you're on parole for the rest of your life. So if I have a disgruntled X, she can say I pushed her or she saw me drinking. I get taken back for two years before they even review me. Right.

So you're on parole until the day you die. So I just told them, I'll do 10, I'll do 20, I just don't want life. He said, okay, I'll come see you tomorrow. So I said, okay. Come to see me the next day. He goes, you plead guilty, seven to ten. You plead guilty to manslaughter because I got charged with second degree murder. So he said, you plead the manslaughter. He goes, you'll get seven to ten.

So I said, okay. In the press? Was there, were there like, was this in the press? You said there was in the news? But I mean, after they arrested you were the paper, was the newspaper following the case? Yeah. Yeah. They came to court and everything.

Okay. So, so he said seven to ten. Seven to ten. He said he was going to ask for seven and he told me the crown attorney was asking for ten. So it would be somewhere in between. So I said, okay. So what he did, because he's such a frigging genius, is he made sure we had a female judge that had kids. Right.

Because I killed a child molester. Right. Boom. Yes. Oh. The judge ended up. There's like a three-time convicted child molester. Yes.

Right. Yeah. Okay. So she ended up giving me six years instead of seven to ten. I got six years. So he's a genius. But another thing, they tried to bring up his criminal record in court. And the crown attorney is like, well, he's not the one on trial. Mr. Turquhart's on trial, not him. But the judge already knows the particular. So she already knew he was a child molest and synapsal. Oh, I'm sure the judge had read the newspaper. They read the paper. You know, they know. Well, I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure if the paper said that he was a child molester. I don't even know.

But I know for sure the judge brought it up. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So now the funny thing, when I read the particulars of the case, because they found him with his pants down. Right. I guess when I tipped over that coffee table, his astray flu. so when they found him during the autopsy they found some cigarette butts in his ass crack

they tested them for semen to see if i raped because they found him with his pastor so when i read that i was like what and then in court the crown attorney said um the victim did not know the accused i don't know what the motive was in my personal opinion Mr. Turkod was looking to trade sex for money. In a fit of rage when the man wouldn't pay him, Mr. Turkot beat him to death. So everyone in the courtroom laughs. Then my lawyer stands up and he goes,

no offense to my client, but if I was a John, I would not pick up a 324-pound bald man. Everyone laughed, including the judge. And I was like, oh, my God. So the next day in the paper, it says the Crown Attorney suggested Mr. Turcault was a male prostitute. So all my buddies in jail are like, hey, I got chocolate bars, bro. I got chips, throw.

So, but yeah, so I ended up getting six years for that. And how much time do you do on six years in Canada? In Canada, they have something called statutory release, which is two-thirds. So no matter what, I get out in four years. The only time there is an exception to that is if they have a dangerous offender who's reoffended violently or a sexual offender that didn't do all their programs, then they have to do all their time. Okay.

But anybody else, you automatically get, you go down two-thirds and then you're on parole for the rest of the time. So I remember. So do you also get gain time? No. No, no good time. You can earn good time, though. But do you have earlier parole, but that's only for nonviolent offenders, first-time offenders?

So you have to be first-time, you have to be non-violent. You are not. Well, I'm not. No. No. Well, I remember when 9-11 happened. They had an army dude come, and he told us that if you're, the hell did you say, if you're serving less than six years and you're nonviolent and you don't have weapons

charges, you, if it comes down to World War III, you can serve the rest of your time out in the army. So, and I was like, well, six years, violence, I don't cough. So, yeah. But I remember when I... First, I was in Stony Mount Penitentiary in Mantua here. And then because I didn't have any community support, because I was so young, I didn't have anyone really visiting me. They shipped me out to Saskatchewan, which is the next province.

And, yeah, so I'm there. And I ended up getting minimum security. Well, you know what that is. Yeah, because I think you were a minimum, right? I was in medium and then I was in a low and then they have camps So camps and a lows are basically

minimum Yeah they call the farm Yeah they call the farm out here So there's like no fence Yeah no fence Yeah it's like a camp Yeah so we got There's like little barbed wire fence

But that's for like Because we have livestock Yeah Like I worked in the slaughterhouse there I'm doing time for manned slaughter And my first job out there is slaughtering pigs Oh, my God. Like, how's that, right?

It's the irony. Exactly. So, can I ask, where's your father during all this? Have you heard from him at all? Obviously, out of prison. Yeah, sorry. So my father, I guess, he used to call my uncle. We went to visit him the day before we left to Mantoba.

My uncle, we went to go visit him one more time. And what I read recently in my papers was that it was, it was to let my sister know that everything that happened wasn't her fault and it was to say goodbye to me. So when we went to my uncles, he would call me once a week. He was allowed to call me on Tuesdays, I think it was.

When we moved with my other uncle, my dad would call, but my uncle would be like, no, he doesn't live here. So that's how our communication stopped. Okay. So, and then when I was 16, I was told that, because he had that disease,

that Andre the Giant had where your brain releases growth hormones. Right. So I was told that his body quit growing, but his organs kept growing, and then his lungs ended up popping. And he died face down in his soup. That's what my aunt he told me.

So I'm like, oh, I wasn't too sad, whatever, good riddance. So, yeah, so that's, so later on, the second time I'm in jail, I'm bored one day, And I'm thinking, okay, my dad named me after him. We got taken away when I was six. So if he remarried, what if he wanted his name to live on? And he renamed his new kid after him.

So I'm like, I wonder if I have any sibling. So I get on Facebook, I'm bored. I'm not locked up because I was the inmate committee representative for our range. So I don't have to lock up during the day. Just me and the clear is erode. So I'm on the phone and I said, look up every D. Turcote, Dale Turkot, Dale Jr. Junior, Jr. Turkot. So I sent them all the same message. Hey, sorry to waste your time. I'm not sure if you're also Dale Turkkot Jr. But if you are, please get back to me. I have a

question. So the second day, the first day, everyone, oh, sorry about that. Did luck on your search. Sorry, blah, blah, blah. Excuse me. Second day, you get a message. Hey, I'm not Dale Jr. I'm actually Dale Sr. If your mother was Jenny and your sister Lisa and your younger sister Kayla, let me No. So the only thing he had wrong was my younger sister was Kara, not Kayla. And my whole body went fucking cold. And I was like, there's no fucking way. I said, somebody's fucking with me. She said, what do you mean? I was like, my dad's dead. My dad died when I was 16. I said, someone's messing with me. I was like, someone knows enough about me to fuck with me. And she's like, who the hell would take your time to do that? Yeah, you reached out to him, bro. Yeah. But I could tell him, like, my dad's dad, my dad's dad. So I was like, Kay, I have an idea.

I hang up the phone. I called my foster mom, the one that lives here. And I say, hey, ma, I was like, this is what's going on. What do you think? She goes, well, what's your aunt? His uncle's names. So I tell her, she's like, yeah, he's on Facebook. They have friends in common.

And to tell you the truth, this looks like you with a pervert mustache and a trucker hat. And I said, oh, damn. I said, what the fuck? So I said, okay, thank you. I hang up, call my ex back. And I was like, hey, there's one thing to let me know if that's him or not. I said, ask him this question. So I asked, hey, if this is really Big Dale, what was my imaginary friend's name?

Without hesitation, you message back, Marby the mop. And I was like, oh, he's fuck, that's my dad. And I was like, I was told you died when I was 16, but I wrote him a 27-page letter, sent him pictures of his grandkids, except they were all clothed. Right. And I told them in that letter, I remember everything. And I said, when I say everything, I mean everything. I was like, so it's going to take a bit to build a relationship.

But I know what you did. And I said, the life I'm living now, you guys, people like you are the bottom of the fucking the ladder here. I was like, I hate people like you. I killed somebody like you. And it probably happened because of you. Like I told them all that in the fucking letter. So when I got out that time, I was supposed to go see.

him. The first week I got out, it was set up and go see him because I was on parole, so I had to get everything approved. So everything was set up to go see him, except when I got out, my drug phones, all my coke phones are doing bad because people were fucking up because I wasn't around. So I stuck back to straighten those people out. And then I thought I'll go the next week. So the day I was supposed to come home from that visit, which was going to be the day that I left to go to the visit, he had a seizure and he died. So, but he was over 600 pounds. seven feet tall and he was seven foot two and he was bedridden. He had two nurses. Yeah. And then he the year after my mom died, he met another lady and he was with her that whole time. And she was so jealous that my dad still had pictures of us and wedding pictures. She was jealous of a dead woman. But because of parole, everything was so meticulous me going out to the funeral. Everything had to be planned. Like, I had to check him with these cops, check them with those cops when I got there, check me with these cops when I got there, leave by this time. So her, knowing that, she moved the funeral up one day and I missed it. I need to bury my dad. So, but

and you know what? I cried when he died and I'm embarrassed about that because of what he did to my sister. And what I accidentally, I shouldn't have did it. I shouldn't say accidentally. I shouldn't have did it. But when I found out that he was alive, I told my sister, the one that he had sexually abused. Right. I told her, I was like, yo, big Dale still alive. And she got a hold of him and said, why did you do that shit to me? He told her, oh, your mom was always gone, blah, blah, And she's like, she's like, I was fucking eight years old. And my dad said to her, why don't you get off your fucking high horse? So when I just sent him to him, yeah, he clearly had some issues.

Yeah, he's a fucking piece of shit. And the rest of the family is so nice, so good. Like he was never molested. He was never nothing like that. He just became a piece of shit on his own. And I'm so thankful because you look at statistics, I am so thankful that I ended that cycle right there because there's so many people like I hate when people blame that but I know that it is part of it but I just don't like when people hide behind that so much right and they

don't try to get help they do like yeah yeah well I mean lots of people go through abuse and they don't end up do they don't end up becoming that that month you know but some do but yeah I think too many do and then too many hide behind it yeah so so what when you got out of prison after the the manslaughter charge. What happened then? I was going to tell you a quick story in between there. So I ended up in the minimum. I had met a girl because we used to have socials.

That's where like people from the outside can come in. You know, sit around and have barbecues, shit like that. What's going on? Canadian. Yeah, exactly. A place to commit crime. Jesus. Well, that's the thing, too.

Like, if I did my crimes in the States, I would have been doing life. Oh, yeah. I don't think there would have been a... And you'd have gotten at least 20 and done at least 15 to 17. Yeah, you'd have been. That's if you got 20, you might have just ended up with 20. I don't think I would have got a chance to commit my second crime. So you would have, you would have been an old.

You'd still be in there. Yeah. Still be in there. So, yeah, so we have, we have these socials and I met my buddy's sister. And we were kind of whatever. Her last name is actually rabbit skin. Native girl. The last name was Radcliskin.

I got a kick out of that. So anyways, so me and her start talking, whatever, she has a boyfriend that's doing time with me, but he's married. So he's married, plus he has his girl's girlfriend.

So I'm like, whatever. So I end up in the minimum and we talk more because he's not doing time with me no more. I'm in the minimum. He's in the medium. And then this guard that I was kind, I wouldn't say fooling around with

because we only meet out. We didn't actually. go all the way she came and warned me she's like hey because of your attitude you're going back you're going back in the wall on Tuesday and I was like what? She was yeah she's like I'm not supposed to tell you

but you're going back in the wall on Tuesday back to medium so I'm like fuck and the big thing in my mind because me and my sister Lisa the older sister used to be so close like so close I die for her and she didn't know like when I got charged

the hardest thing about when that murder happened The hardest part of the whole fucking thing was when I had to call her from the police station and tell her I got charged a second degree murder. That was the hardest part. It was the whole thing. But his daughter showed up to court with my family and stuff. So they weren't going to miss them.

But the hardest thing was telling my sister Lisa. And then Lisa was like, I didn't raise no murderer. Like, what the fuck? Something must have happened. She didn't know the real story. And here in Canada, after you get sentenced, there's 18 months. where they can bring your charge back and appeal it. So I had to stick with that story for 18 months.

It was accidental, this and that. Oh, right. So my sister still didn't know what happened. So when I took off, or when that lady told me I was going back inside the wall, I said, how much time will I get if I take off? And the guard's like, don't take off, don't take off. I said, well, how much time will I get? And she's like, I don't know, 30 days, just don't commit any crimes.

So I was like, okay, she's like, you're leaving? I was like, yeah. So I called old rabbit skin. This is a guard? This is a guard, yeah. Yeah. So everyone said I had been all rabbit skin. I called old rabbit skin.

And I was like, hey, you want to come pick me up? She's like, what? I was like, yeah, I'm taking off. She's like, no way. And I was like, yeah. I'll be there. How long? I was like an hour after count.

So she said, okay. Or no, an hour before count, sorry. So before count? Before count? An hour before count. I'm risky. That's nuts. I know.

I shouldn't wait until after count. But so anyway, so I take off. and I remember walking through the snow and they had this this like barbed wire fence but only three wires high so it's like up to my knee so I go to climb over it

and my pants get stuck I fall over and a fucking tree pokes me in the eye so I'm like oh my God I think this is a sign so I keep walking to the road and finally get to town I look back and my trail is like zigzay because of my eyeball so I'm like this is a bad sign

I should just go back so I get to the pay phone try caller three times no answer. So I'm like, maybe I can make it back before count. All of a sudden they're like, eh, and this really old Chvette pulls up, like old a Chvette. She's got a car seat in the back seat. So I got to squeeze into the passenger seat with this car seat back. So I'm leaning on the dashboard. And then I go to her house in the city for a bit for a couple days. And then she was, do want to come out to my reserve? It's safe for there. So I said, yeah, let's go. So I go to her

reserve and I remember the only hill in Saskatchewan we found it and we're going up the hill the car's barely making it I can feel her staring at me so I'm like do you want me to get out and walk to the top of the hills she's like please I didn't want to be rude but can you I'm like that so I got out of this little shitty chivette walked to the top of the hill and met her there coasted down the other side so I was on her reserve for 16 days but I was like there's a pool table the only pool table in town is at the grocery store and there's all these older native people there, like buying groceries and shit and nobody to help them. So I started

helping all them, and then they had these activity days where they play volleyball, and I was there every night playing volleyball, you know, like making the youth laugh, making the kids laugh, making the elders laugh, all this other stuff. One day I'm at her house in the basement with her mom watching TV. Killer's still on the lamb. Oh,

there's my picture. The only difference is my hair is cut and I don't have glasses. So I'm like, so I'm sitting there, I look at her mom, I look at her, and I was like, what I'm going to do? I got no way out of there. I've been asking my friends for $85 for a bus ticket to Winnipeg. Everyone says, I got a way to payday, got a way to payday.

She asked her friends, nobody hooked her up. And then I guess they had a meeting on the reserve about me. And they said, hey, you're doing a lot of good things. We're not going to turn you in. Just don't be doing stuff I got out here. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm safe. so this is a crazy part so they asked me

do you want a chaperone on a ski trip with the youth no problem let's go the next morning she's like hey I've got $90

in my bank account I don't know who it came from so I phone all my friends wasn't me wasn't me wasn't me she phones her people wasn't her so I'm suspecting

it might have been her boyfriend that's still in jail so with that we buy the $85 bus to get she goes do you want to stick around

or do you want to stick around or do you want to you want it might be safer let's go home or I'm going to go home She said, okay, call me to make sure you got there safe. So I think it was like 16-hour bus ride. So I get there, call her, tell her he made it.

She's crying. And I said, what happened? Apparently the dude that took my spot, their van ruled, and he died. So, yeah, I got saved by that bus take, which tripped me out. But yeah, and then I was on the run in Winnipeg. I think I was on a run for a month and a half. And I remember they started kicking indoors of like my friends that had kids. looking for me.

So, because when you go, when you first go to jail, they do this, they ask us like 900 questions. There's questions like, did your dad want to be a florist? Did your mom want to be a mechanic? Did you ever want to be a hairdresser? Well, just weird questions, like 900 of them. And you have to do it so they can assess you. It's so weird.

But I think they take your personality to you, they take what's important to you and they realize that my family and friends and kids are important to me. So that's why they started doing that to smoke me out. they're kicking in friends' doors that have kids. One thing that was funny, I got in the cab one day, and the Winnipeg Free Press, or no, Winnipeg's son is sitting on his dashboard, and there's something that says,

killer's still on the lap. And I'm like, oh my God. And he's looking at it and looking at me, looking at me. And I'm like, I was like, can you believe that? And he said, what? I was like, this dude, and I showed him a picture of the dead guy. I was like, this dude killed my twin brother.

And I was like, and he's already out. And that guy said, what? I was like, this guy here, killed this. guy, and I showed him a picture of me. Killed this guy. That's my twin brother. You killed him. And the piece of shit, it's already out of jail.

The cabbie's like, no way. I'm like, yeah, can you believe that? He's like, no. And yeah, so he quit staring at me and shit, drop me off where I was, where I got picked up. But then I was like, you know what? Maybe it's not safe to be here. So the next day, I'm leaving that place, and there's a cop car sitting there. And I just kind of give him a hello.

And I guess that was the first cop setting up to raid that house. So once they hit another house with kids I was like you know what that's enough I don't want to traumatize anyone else I'm turning myself in so I go to turn myself in they ask me for ID and I'm like read the paper

I'm right there like I'm turning myself in to be on the run because I'm on the run from a manslaughter charge and you're asking me for ID I'm like well do you have any form of ID I was like no

you took off from prison I'm like yeah you have prison ID I was like no I got nothing read the paper what people are looking for you you don't keep the identifying documents. Exactly.

And it was almost like they were going to turn me away. Like that's what it felt like. And then they made me sit down, wait for like an hour until available unit was able to come get me. So I was just like, this is fucking crazy. So yeah, they took me in and brought me back to Saskatchewan. So I get back there. And I'm on the inmate committee again. I'm the secretary.

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So we can sell, what was it? Chocolate Easter bunnies. So we could sell them to the inmates to raise money for an event. So I'm typing up the proposal. That girl, a boyfriend comes walking in with one of my buddies. And he's like, hey, I heard you were with Tanya. Did you get my $90? I should have asked him without your 90 bucks.

Here's some chocolate bunnies. Yes. So he comes in and he's like, were you with Tanya? I don't know. He goes, I heard you're fucking my girl. I said, what? He goes, I heard you're fucking my girl. I was like, no.

He goes, yeah, you were fucking. fucking. I said, Tanya, that's my girl. And I was like, I thought you're married. He said, I am. But that's my girlfriend. Like, were you with her? And I was like, oh. She doesn't know that. I promise. Yeah. She didn't mention it. Yeah, exactly. No, so I'm standing there and and this guy, he's a. Is this a big guy? He's huge. He's done, he's done. Who comes up to you and tells you. Yeah, he's been in for 18 years and he's tattooed from like his fingertips to his neck.

Like just covered. Dude was huge. Working out for 18 years. So I'm sitting there at the desk. I turned towards him and he's like, yeah, so Tanya, that's my girl. I was like, oh shit. So I'm looking at him and this,

this I'll admit, I'm very embarrassed about it, but I'll admit it. He pulled out this long, sharpened screwdriver and he put on a boxing glove. And I looked at him and I was like, please, John, don't kill me. And I never thought I would ever beg for my life. And I'm embarrassed to say I did, but I did. I looked him in the eyes. I said, please, John, don't kill me.

And he's like, oh, you piece of shit. He's like, your sister and your family didn't realize you weren't coming home, eh? And right when his thing went like this, like he pulled back to stab me, I remembered, because I played rugby for five years. And I remember our coach taught us, if you want to put anybody on their heels, shove your thumbs in their armpits and lift and push back. So I shot up from that chair, put my thumbs in his armpits, ran him against the wall. And all of a sudden he's like, hey, hey, stop, stop.

And I'm like, what the fuck? And he just sounded like such a bitch. I was like, yo, I grabbed him by the throat, took his knife away, started punching him. And he said, okay, bro, stop, bro, stop. And then we tripped over a lockbox. And then I pulled up his jacket. And I was like, yeah, you're never going home. Hey, wait when I went to stab him.

I just saw stars and I was like, what the fuck? And all of a sudden, all this blood. And then I was like, what the hell? And I kept wiping the blood and it would just be in my eyes again. And I kept corn. And I realized my so-called friend fucking hit me with a two-by-four. It was nailed on the wall with nails sticking out to hang up your jacket. So when he pulled it off the wall, there was nails sticking out.

And that's what he got me with. And he hit me seven times of the two-by-four. Didn't knock me out, thankfully. And then I'm not sure if you know those big coffee urns where you make a big thing of coffee and there's like a little type that gets hot. Yeah. So we had a broken one in there, and our doorknall was broken. So that thing, I pulled that thing out, put in the doorknop,

tried to turn it and it snapped. And I was like, fuck, so I turn around and I'm wiping. I still have the knife or the screwdriver. And I'm wiping that blood, wiping that blood. And then all of a sudden I hear they're playing floor hockey in the gym because the office is just off the gym. And then all of a sudden the voices got louder and I realized the door open. And both those guys ran by me.

And then I went to the door. And my other buddy from Winnipeg named Trent, he was there. I was like, Trent, Trent, and I was slowly, like, losing consciousness, because all that blood. And then, yeah, I just kind of closed my eyes, and then Trent somehow picked me up. And he walked me to the gate. And he's like, you still have the knife on you, bro? And I was like, fuck, thanks. Thanks for leaving.

So I tried to feel around with it. I finally found it, and I threw it in the middle of the dome. And then the guards came rushing. So I remember that one guard was rubbing my thigh. Like, are you alive? And I just kept my eyes closed because you. drop in my thigh. But then I woke up and they thought I got stabbed in the head. So they rushed me to the hospital, whatever, and asked me what happened. I didn't say, so they threw me in the

hole. And then they watched the cameras. So he threw those other two guys in a hole. None of us wanted to charge each other. None of us wanted to make a statement on each other so they let us all out. So me realizing how much of a bitch they were and actually realizing I was stronger than I thought, I challenged them both to a fight in the gym, me against both of them. My guys will check them for weapons. Their guys can check me for weapons. And we're going at it. So they agreed with nobody else knows. I'm on my way to the gym. Boom. I get arrested. Get thrown in the hole. And I'm like, wow. So the big guy, the 18 years guy, went to all the guards. Hey, this guy's planning something against us. So I ended up there. And then I was in the hole for so long.

And then my sister moved to British Columbia. So I was like, well, why don't she send me to a jail out there? Then I'll have community support. Then I'll have visits. So I'm like, okay. So they tried to send me there, and then I ended up stopping in Alberta. And I got stuck in the middle of nowhere. I didn't know anybody, but I finished my three years there. And it was, sorry, but, uh, yeah. Doesn't sound all right. In some ways it does.

You guys are playing hockey and, and, and, oh, yeah, hockey football. I never saw a fucking chocolate bunny the whole time. I was at Coleman, but, uh, you know, so. Which state did you do time in? Huh? Which state did you do time in? Florida.

Florida, okay. That's where you're originally from? Yeah, I'm from Tampa, but I was on the run for like three years. But when they caught me, they sent me to Coleman, which is about an hour north of Tampa. Okay. What's in small? You're from because you said, well, I say Tampa because nobody knows my small town. Well, it's, I'm from like, I'm actually from Temple Terrace.

Absolutely. Like 15 minutes outside of, you know, it's almost like a suburb of Tampa. it actually is its own city. Nobody knows that, though. Yeah. I think someone in the comments is like, oh, I was there before or something. Yeah. Yeah, because as soon as you answered me, I was like, I want to see what kind of interview

with this guy. So I started watching your stuff. And I was like, oh, shit, this guy's interesting. Well, not a great interviewer, but I am interesting. So you got out and did you go live like near your sister? Because that's pretty much your only real kind of support, right? Yeah. So that's a problem here close to it seems it seems I mean maybe I'm wrong but no no yeah we were so I tried to get out there I couldn't and then one day I was talking to my foster dad the one whose house I'm sitting in right now okay and the one whose house I smashed up three thousand three 30 thousand damage so I phone him because we stayed in contact they wrote to me um you know what I used to do while I was in there because there was a lot of Inuit guys like Eskimos a lot more than Eskimos a lot more than Eskobo

like in units and they're very very good carvers they order sandstone and they carve the most amazing things so what I realized because you could smoke back then I realized in between paydays because I used to run a sports book in there too so I'd hand you this long ticket you can make parleyes you could bet on one sport and then you bet pop you just can't get right there always had to be a side hustle that was the problem so say you owe me for 48 pop was I come up to you, that comes up to a pack of smokes. Just paying me a pack of smoke. I'll give you a deal.

So I realized these Anuette guys, these Eskimos, didn't have tobacco in between pay days because you got paid every two weeks. So what I did once, actually, I met another guy's sister that I had a crush on. And I was like, okay, well, I'm going to get one of these guys to carve her a dolphin out of soapstone. So I said, how much do I owe you for that? He said, God, give me four packs of smoke. So I said, okay, pay him four packs of smoke.

but then I was thinking, okay, in between, they're always trying to, do you know what a jail store is? Okay, so say you want chips, you come to me, I had one of these two. You come to me,

I'll give you two bags of chips. On PD you have to give me three. Yeah, that's the store. Like every unit in Coleman had at least one, sometimes two or three stores. Yeah. It was the same thing.

It's like either someone would do, Sometimes they do half or some of them would do double. But yeah, like if you bought like, if you bought $10 worth of stuff, you owed him $15 worth of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We usually do buy items, but so what I realized was, I mean, obviously, well,

we didn't have any money. So it's whatever the equivalent was. Like they'd say, okay, they'd give you a store list. They'd be like, you might even gotten three bags of chips and a, and maybe a six pack of soda. So you own like 10 bucks or you own like 15 bucks. They'd give you, they go, okay, you got to give me, Three coffees, one creamer, a bag of chips.

Like, they would break it down because there's no money. Yeah. So if you got two chips, you owe me three chips. If you got two things of coffee, you owe me three things of coffee. You're about 33%, right? Yeah. So I noticed these Eskimos were cussing cigarettes in between. They cuffed packs of smokes, two for three.

So I was like, can't wait. How much you want for that? Well, give me four packs of smokes. Well, you have no smokes right now. How about I give you two? Okay. Or it'd be like, instead of four packs of smokes, how about I give you a pouch of tobacco?

Okay. And then I started buying all these things. And one day I was sick laying in my cell. For some reason, Rosie O'Donnell was on. And she's talking about eBay. So I'm like, boom, I got this idea. I was like, I wonder if I send all these carvings back to my foster mom if she could put them on eBay.

So she did. And I kept buying these things for $7, selling them for $140, like sending them home, give them sold like it was crazy so when I got out or well okay sorry you asked me a question yeah so I had about a year left and I was I was in contact with my foster parents so I had about a year I was talking about a phone I was joking around and I said yeah I got about a year I got to figure out some girl I can make fall in love with me so I come with her I said that as a joke and he's

like hey kiddo he said why don't you just come home and I was just like holy fuck so after everything I've done to him after the murder after not having anybody for how long he tells him come home and I just hearing a word home I was like yeah I'll come home pa so when I got out my ex came to pick me out brought me out here to where I live now and then I was living with them for about a week and then I was telling my foster one because she's like well let's go apply for a job because we live by riding mountain national park which is a national park which is a big vacation spot so she's like well let's go to the park and get your job. I said, well, my only experience is in restaurant, and I don't think they want to manslaughter

with knives. She's like, shut the fuck up and get in the car. I was like, okay. By the end of the day, I had three jobs. Two of them were restaurants. So one was bartending. So everything worked out. And then my ex, I guess my ex-fiance, she had a, I figured what it's called, but they call it tubal pregnancy where the egg goes to their fallopian tube. Yeah. And she lost the baby. And it was the first time both of us went through that. And I just fell apart. I ended up going back to Winnipeg, which was a mistake, hooked up with a bunch of guys I met in jail. There were drug dealers. And the thing is, I'm not sure if it's the same in the States, but in Canada,

if you're that young, you're in for a charge like that, you're that big. And especially if you're, if you're Indian or native, you're like almost automatically in a gang. You're going to get recruited into a gang. I went four years without being in a gang somehow. And a lot of people respected that. So when I got out, friends with Asians, friends with everybody. and they started, well, why don't you collect money for us?

We got, you need a job, collect money from people that aren't paying. So I said, okay. So one day my boss invites me over for dinner. So I go and he goes, can I tell you something without you getting mad? And I was like, yep. And he goes, you know, this isn't the movies, right? And I was like, what? He goes, this isn't Scarface.

This isn't sopranos. And I said, what do you mean? He's like, you don't have to beat the shit out of people. You don't have to break bones. He's like, you're big enough. People are scared to you. And he's like, no. nobody's boring drugs off me anymore because of you.

And I was like, oh shit. So I was like, okay, because I thought I had to be like menacing and violent. So he ended up telling me like, you just want to drive. You want to drive for my brother? And I said, okay. So I was a driver. His brother got sick one day. So I was like, well, I know what to do.

I've been watching. So took a bag of crack, sold it. One guy fell in love. One was having a baby. The other one was just lazy. So I started taking all their shifts. So I was working like 48 hours of the time, driving, making money. And then I just realized because of me, the one guy was causing beef with everybody over bullshit,

knowing that I would take care of it. Right. So one day I went to his house and I was like, hey, you either make me a half partner, I'm going to beat the shit out of you in front of your wife. And he's like, done, done. And he goes, oh, I told myself, if this ever threatens me, I'm going to be done. So he gave me his work vehicle. He gave me his two work phones, gave me the four and a half ounces of crack he had.

And I took it. And I'm not sure how the states were, for if you know about the drug of the states. But here, if you build up a good crack phone, you can sell it for like $20,000, $30,000. And these Asian guys really wanted those crack phones. So I sold the two phones to them. So I had like $50,000 and a bunch of crack. I came back to this small town where I am. And I ended up trading straight across some crack for Coke.

And then I started selling Coke. And all of a sudden I started, I started two phones. I was hiding it from my foster parents. I wasn't doing drugs either at all so I was hiding from my foster parents I met this woman who's now my fiancé and she just hated that lifestyle so she didn't really hang out with us

or I'd lie to her and tell her I was done with that and then within two years I was selling kilos so next thing you know there's this dude at the park up here who asked me if you could buy a 40 bag off me and I was like well I don't do that I don't sell I've never heard of a 40 bag of weed.

He's like, no, no, weed coke. I was like, I don't know what you'd happen about. And he's like, oh, I thought, I was like, no, no. But he was with a bunch of dudes. And I remember them getting on the shuttle, there's a shuttle bus from that bar. I remember them getting on a shuttle and leaving and him going, fuck, I got left behind. And that wasn't a setup because I came out to piss. So there's no way they knew I was going to come out to piss when that happened.

So I saw this dude get left behind. Then he asked me for a 40 bag. And then I told him, like, I don't sell that, but I send him to my buddy. My buddy sells it to her. And then next in all, he's, I don't know, just a really fun dude. Like, he's fun to joke around with. He was fun to hang out with.

And I was like, man, you're like, this guy's like me. So we started pulling him off. I got to Winnipeg, bringing him back out here, hanging out with him, hanging out with him when I got to Winnipeg, all this other shit. So we used to have smaller deals with each other. He introduced me to his friend Dave. And I remember Dave, I told him, I told Trey that I didn't like Dave. So Dave came to my house, walk right in my house and he's like, hey, I heard you don't like me.

I get a bad feeling for me. I'll get a bad vibe. And he goes, oh, sorry if I'm not one of your guys that's selling drugs so I can party and drink on the weekend. He goes, I do this because I got no fucking job skills. I never had job skills. I'm not educated, but I need money from my family. I have a family. I'm not here to do all the blow and go and party on the weekend. I'm here for my fucking family.

So I was like, well, I kind of respected you came up to me like that and bold. So I thought he was cool. So when we did these little deals in Winnipeg, they were like, not little deals, but they're like half keys or whatever and shit. So they would meet up with me. One of us would pick the restaurant. One would pick the hotel. One would pick the nightclub.

Like, well, they would pick one. I'd pick the other. They pick the other. And then the next time he would change. age. But what we were doing was every time we made a deal, because they were coming from the next province, is what I thought. So we'd make a deal. We'd all go get clean shaven. We all go get a new outfit. We'd go sit down for dinner. We'd go do the deal. Then we go celebrate at the bar. That's what we did every time. And every time, like I said, we got clean shaven, new outfit,

this and that. So one day he's like, hey, well, me and him were hanging out. We did a three key deal together. Me and Tray, the actual cop that was with me for three months. Right. So, and I honestly had, like I told all my boys, because I had different phones. I had the phone out here. I had two phones in a city called Brandon and then two phones in Winnipeg. And I told all my guys, I have to go do a 3T deal. I don't trust these guys. I honestly think I'm going to get killed, but it's worth the risk. If you're not willing to come with me, I won't hold it against you. Just tell me no. They all said no, except for Tray. Little that I know, he's an undercover cop.

So we went to do the deal. There was probably spot in the parking lot and everything just case she went sideways. So what I think is they were waiting to get me for something bigger than three, but I told him, hey, I just got my friend pregnant. I'm going to have a kid. Like, I think this is my last deal.

I have job skills. I'll put money away. I'll live comfortable. That's what I told him. He's like, oh, cool, okay, yeah, blah, blah. So he's like, hey, I want a key. And I'm thinking, like, kind of got a bad feeling like, how come all of a sudden you want a key? When we're just good with what we're doing, I said, I'm doing one more deal for a key.

All of a sudden, you want it. What's going on? I just got like a really weird feeling. So all my friends are telling me don't do it. Like, don't go. So I go because I'm an idiot. I get to the hotel room door. And he's like, oh, I just want to talk to you by myself.

That's what Dave says. So Tray stays in the hallway with the guy that brought me to Kilo. So I was sitting on the bed Dave's on that side We're talking He said I'm going to go with the money Make yourself a drink And I looked at him

And I realized he had fucking stubble And he had the same genes he had earlier And that's what told me He was a cop for some reason For some reason That's what fucking And I was like you fucking piece of shit And he said what

And I was like fucking piece of shit And he was what? I was like you're a fucking cop He's like no not I was like you're a fucking cop I was like he's a tray a cop I was saying, tell me, Tray's down the cop. Because me and Tray, like, we got, well, Mike, his is his real name.

We got so close at a certain point, he came to my house crying and asked him what's going on. He's like, don't get mad, but I have to go home. Why would I get mad? Because my mom's sick. So I said, go home. I'll pay for your ticket. I'll say, don't come back until she's okay. And the dude cried on my shoulder, like tears stains on my fucking shoulder,

crying about his mom, telling me all about his mom, the good memories. I don't want her to die. I don't know what I'll do if she doesn't die. Or if she dies, sorry. when I read in the particulars he told them that if he didn't have me at that time he wouldn't have made it true that that's how fucking close him and I got in three months in three months so and the thing is when he came to do that three key deal with me to me that meant he was willing to die with me that's how I saw it none of my boys were willing

he was willing so he was my new right-hand man so he knew everything so that day I was just like I was looking at Dave was like tell me trade's not a cop please just tell me he's not a fucking cop. And then he said, what are you talking about, bro? I'm going to get the money. I said, go get your friends, man. I said, the jig's up. You guys got me. Congratulations. Go get your buddies. And he said, I don't know what you're talking about. I said, get out of here before I beat the shit out of you with that whiskey bottle. Because he's telling me to make a drink. I was like, get out of here before I beat a shit out of you with that whiskey bottle. And I just got up. He walked out. And then I just got on my knees and went like this in the middle of hotel room. And you know

how when like a door opens beside another door, it rattles? Right. When he went in the hallway, all of a sudden, my door rattled. After it closed, he rattled. And then I heard, get on the fucking ground. Get on the ground. Like out in the hallway. So they took down tray as a muse or whatever. And they took down my buddy who brought the kilo. Right. So I'm just waiting for it. I'm just like this waiting for it. Sure enough, said, adjoining door, the hotel pops open. Swat comes in. Get on the fucking, get on your stomach. Because I was already on the ground. So I laid on the ground. He said, don't fucking move. He's jamming the. whatever machine gun they have, I think, AR-15s, jammed it in my head a couple of times. And I just thought, you know what? I just got out of jail for doing that much, like during that time, whatever. I don't think I can go back. There's going to be like 10, 15. And I was thinking, if I reach under the bed, they'll blow my head off.

So I was about to do that. But then I thought, I got a baby on the way I can do this. Right. So I just sit, I laid there. And I honestly pictured like a castle crumbling. And when everything was said and done, they said, I had a hundred. 149 people under me. But this is like small time.

Like this wasn't like a big fucking, you know. Right. It was like street people. Like what I would do, there was a couple times I saw these certain girls at crack houses, but they didn't small crack. So I'd see them walking their baby the next day in the neighborhood. And I go up to them and be like, hey, I saw you here. You know some crackheads.

How about I give you a 10 pack? And, you know, they're 20 bucks each. So I'd say, I'll give you a 10 pack. You bring me 1.30. I'll give you another one. You bring me 120, 110. next you know we're doing half and he'll give you 30 packs

and we'll go half first so that's what I was doing like giving work to all these single moms are in the neighborhood all these dudes that new people I wasn't getting nothing out of it I wasn't doing traits no one smile

don't smile on me yeah you really you're really it's about people helping people you're really helping the single mothers that's what I hear you I just well these are these are people

that I saw that didn't actually smoke crack on this around but they're hanging out at crack houses yeah just because they're family or they know the people or you know so but yeah i guess we can look at it too ways but i thought you're smiling because you thought i was getting something out of it's no no i was just thinking you're like no like i'm helping out like i don't know about that but okay i hear you no judgment i'm not judging pamper money no so uh yeah so when they took me down this is that many people were

under me. But I remember once they handcuffs me, they took me out in the hallway and Trey's laying face down. And as I walked by, he looked up at me and he's like, I guess, and he put his head back down. So I'd like to think there was a little bit of regret. But I don't know, because we were, we were fucking close. And for him to say that with, I don't think he knew I was going to see what he said to the, his officers or whatever about that, about him not making through that. So, and then a shitty thing, which I think was a little bit of a bitch move, was I I was so close to this dude in my mind, in my heart that I pled guilty before trial because I knew if I went to trial, he would have to come. And if I saw him again, I think I would break my heart.

Right. Just knowing like, you know, it'd be like a black and white montage going through my head of all our good times and some 80s music maybe bon jolly painting together painting a house high-fiving so yeah so no so I played guilty just I didn't have to see them but I remember they came out to me and they said okay

because when I got busted they drove me past all my stash houses in the back of that car and then they pulled up to my girlfriend at the time and there was cops outside I guess she got raided. My niece, nephew were there, my stepson was there, got traumatized. They threw her on the ground, arrested her.

And they said, because one day when he was over, I said, go get my scale. And she went and got it. So they said, she knew about the whole operation. Right. So they said, if you take an extra year, this was the same lawyer that did my murder, by the way. Okay. Called me a fucking idiot for it. He's like, you pretty much got away with murder.

Why are you committing crimes again? so he's like okay they offered you uh if you take an extra year she won't go to jail and i was like fuck that and then my lawyer said what what do you mean so but then that's all operation is her is she's running this whole operation yeah no no i actually said how much time do i have to do so she doesn't even have a criminal record and he's like that's my fucking guy he goes i'll come see it tomorrow god so he came back and he goes if you do two extra years she won't have a criminal record because it wasn't her honesty or full she was just i had shit stash in her house she only knew where my scale was because yeah she saw me i hear you i believe you

so i did that innocent she didn't know she she thought i drove uber yeah they did have uber and then uh he brought me a bunch of pictures just like the movies black and white blown up who's this who's this if you identify at least 10 of these people, we'll take two years off your sentence. And I said, no. Okay. That's Tommy. Jimmy?

Middle name. Last thing. Paul lives with his mom. Here's his phone number. That's Billy. Billy, I never even liked Billy. Billy actually drives Uber. No, so I refuse to.

And it's funny, too, because I recently came home where I hear, like where I live now, a bunch of guys were in my crew. and I remind them once in a while, like, hey, you could have been in prison. You might want to pick up lunch. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I ended up getting... Billy, you got that? You got that?

With your Uber. Yeah, I got six years and one month for that. So I got a month more for drugs than I did for murder. How much time do you do on that? I did four years, but... You remember when I told you I was in that lockup facility where I used to bust the door open for people? Yeah.

Okay, so their protocol was only chase down the girls and bring them back because they're at risk of being exploited. So the boys can go, just bring the girls back. So nobody's taking advantage of them because they're young girls, young native girls, blah, blah, blah. So that was their only protocol. So one day, one of the staff grabbed my buddy. And I'm thinking, hey, they're not supposed to patch the guys.

What's the fuck? So I grabbed them. We're playing tug war with them. And he goes, let him go, or I'll charge you with this. So I pushed my buddy Chris into the staff, into the guard. So he falls over, blah, blah, blah. We go on the run for about a week, have fun, and then we turn ourselves in. We come back there, no harm, no foul.

So I come back, well, some of the cops come. I got charged with assault with a weapon for throwing a kid at this guy. You hit him with your buddy. Yeah. So we're in court, and the judge is like, how does you even get to my desk? You can't use a human being as a weapon. the whole courtroom starts laughing. So when I'm in jail for this drug charge,

I got to be in a short film when I was on the run in Vancouver. I was on the run on a Cadillade Warren. So I got on the run making movies. And you know what's funny? It was a jail movie. Okay. It was a jail movie. And they even put a picture on Facebook and said,

guess which one's the actual criminal? So, but yeah. So I got interested in the whole process. It was pretty cool. So I started asking questions about screenplays and stuff. And this is an app. So my mom sent me a couple books on screenplays. I read them.

So I started doing a screenplay to keep myself occupied. So as I'm writing it, this dude comes up to me and says, hey, Tercott, guess who you knew, pro officer is? And I look up, it's the guy through the kid, the one who everybody in court laughed at. So when I got out, this guy breached me 13 times. So I called him one day. I said, hey, I got to bring my steps on the school. I'll be there about 10 minutes late for my piss test. He said, okay, I get there, there there's cops waiting.

Like, this guy fucked me hard. Right. It was his revenge for the embarrassment, the laughter. So I probably ended up doing maybe seven years on that sentence, seven and a half. Like, all together. I guess it doesn't count the time that I was in installments. Yeah, yeah. So I did four straight and then the installment plan.

So but then in the middle of that too I got in a high speed chase Was that his fault too? No no that was mine And you know what's funny is I was on the run and Canada wide ward So the house I'm sitting in now

I came to visit my parents to say goodbye Because I was going to turn myself in soon I was supposed to do a movie again I was supposed to be a mental patient So I phoned the director And I'm like hey I'm not going to be able to make it Like while I'm in the high speed chase I'm like hey I'm not going to be able to make it

Something come up I phone my girlfriend, whose vehicle it was. I was like, hey, your vehicle is going to be impounded in Brandon. You got to come pick it up. I'll pay for whatever. I got to go. And then, yeah, you know, it's crazy. They're putting out the spike strip.

I got to go. They said there was one coming up. And they said they were ready to bring the helicopter in the canine. But my buddy had coke on him, which I didn't know. And he said, I'm going to throw up the window. I was like, nope. I said, I'm on parole right now for, or I'm on the run for parole violation for a kilo Coke.

If you throw that, they're going to mark the spot. I'm going to get 10 more years. I was like, don't you dare. And he's like, what do we do? And then I just, I was maybe three months into actually doing Coke in my life. I was like, just only one thing we can do. Oh. Put it on.

I had a, what was it, Samsung Max? I figured what was called, Mega, Samsung Mega. There's a big phone that looks normal in my hand. So I put it all on there. I was like, do what you can. He did it about two. And he's like, that's all I could do. He's almost puking.

And I was like, so I'm going down the road. I got a king can. of Budweiser in my arm like this and I'm just hyper focused. Oh, he was crazy. And then when they pull us out, they put him in the back and supervisor and he's puking in there. So he got a beating. I'm laying in the middle of the highway with semis going by. Like just like, oh. So yeah, so when we got taken in, I told him he had no idea that I was on the run. He had no idea that I took my girl's car. He didn't know what I was doing, blah, blah, blah. Like, why was he puking? I was like, I don't know. So he got let out COVID. Yeah.

Yeah, there was no COVID back then, but yeah, no, so I got, so I got a crime in between there. And then I got, I think, 30 more days where I'm awfully a large, all that shit. Oh, my God. Yeah, and then, uh, shortly after that, um, I was working on a screenplay, and I couldn't figure out there was something bugging me, but I couldn't figure it out. I rewrote screenplay twice. I went through everything twice. So I'm at home one night. I was living with my ex-girlfriend. And, well, sorry, one day, an old friend of mine said she's having car troubles down town. So we pulled up, I helped her out, and she dropped her scale.

Her scale broke. So I was like, hey, I got all my paraphernalia at home you can have. I'm done with this life. So she said, okay, I'll go get all my baggies, bunch of scales they left behind, gave it to her in a box. I said, here you go, I'm done with this shit. Take it. She's go, thank you so much here. And she gives me a baggie.

I'm like, no, no, no. I said, I'm done. She goes, no, no, try it. I said, what the fuck is that? She's like, meth. I was like, no, no, no. And she goes, well, I got no money to thank you. I said, you don't have to thank me. We're friends. She's like, just taking. She wouldn't shut up. So I took it. So I get home. I throw it on the fridge. Tell my ex-girlfriend.

So as a joke, two weeks later, she buys a bubble. She's like, I got you a gift. And I was like, fuck off, like a meth bubble. Throw it on the fridge, forget about it. And about three months later, I'm working on the screen plate, trying to figure what's wrong with it. It's driving me nuts. So I unplug everything. Cover it with a sheet. Uncover it. Start. I can't figure out what's with screenplay. So she works midnight, so I message all my friends. I'm like, hey, you guys want to come drink? Like, I was so normal.

I had an alcohol cabinet with alcohol still in it. I was like, you want to come drink? I'm like, no. I was like, you want to go smoke weed? No. You don't go for a ride. Anybody need a ride? Nobody need nothing.

So I'm sitting home, going nuts about the screenplay. And then I was like, go on. Grab the phone because I'm so bored, typed in, how to smoke mess. Of course. Of course. That's a pivot. I'm surprised you waited this long. Yeah. But as I think, I was never, ever a drug guy, like really, like before that, I tried Coke for a little bit, didn't like it, quit it. So anyway, so I smoked meth.

So you smoke, so you smoke pot, you've done Coke. Yeah. You've done what other drugs? Acid 1016. You don't sound like a drug guy. No, but I mean, I wasn't like a hard, like I wasn't a junkie yet. That's what I mean. Like, I wasn't out there trying to find stuff for sell things to buy it, you know? That's what I mean. So you were saying you, you, you smoke the meth. Yes. So I'm laying on the coach and everything just was like, I realized what was wrong with my screenplay. And there was a, there was a character.

There was a character. That wasn't on meth. That's, it wasn't on meth. There needs to be a character on the match. But I introduced a character in a flashback, but I introduced them as if they were familiar to the audience. So that's what screwed me up. So I was like, okay, I've got to redo this.

We did that. And all of a sudden, that's done. So I popped in another screenplay. I was working on. I started typing. I typed for like four hours. So I go pick up my ex after her shift. And I'm like, oh, my God.

She said, why are you whispering? I was like, I smoked that man. She said, what? I was like, I smoked that man. I was like, it's the best thing ever. You're so focused. Boom. She started smoking.

She was a welder for nine years, lost her job, took out her pension plan, lost her vehicle. We lost her house. her kid got taken away like everything collapsed how long did this take like

not even nine months like wow just collapsed and then so one night um me in a different

ex were because we obviously split up because we're no good for each other so um I'm walking with this girl in Winnipeg and there's like a three day cold snap in the two day glitzer

so we're walking and we walk by this they just did the road so there's big snow bags and we're walking by this freezing and I see something and I was like is that a garbage bag or a dude and she said oh it's a garbage bag so it's okay

so I keep walking and I'm like this is bugging me because I'm pretty sure it has a dude and it's so cold so I go warm up inside I'll be right back and go check on this guy so I go check

and you don't see anything because there's a blizzard too though so I go like this in the snow or am I go like this in the snow and then I hit something something. Sure enough, it's him. And he's barely breathing. So I'm like, holy shit, this guy's going to die. So it took me six minutes to wake him up and to wake him up. I had to grab him by the chest and like slam him against the snowbank. So when I straddled them, both my

legs went in the snow. And then snow went up my one leg. And then my jeans held the snow against my leg. And in that six minutes, I ended up getting frostbite. So I threw this guy over my shoulder, walked them to the bar because they sell chicken and pizza there. So I bought chicken pizza, phone somebody from like a homeless shelter, come get them. It's called Main Street Project. It's like an emergency thing. So I told him, can you come get them? And then they're like, oh, we don't have a car over. And I was like, the guy almost fucking throws. And he's like, oh, you're swearing me. So we hung up. So I asked another guy, can you please take him to this place? Don't leave until he signed in. So he said, okay. So within a week, my legs are black

from Frostbite. And I'm like, holy shit, this is that. So I remember this to the day, two days before it happened, or two days after it happened. Do you remember the guy that I told you carried me in prison? Yeah.

After I got stabbed or hidden the head. There was a guy that was on acid that was at this house. And I came up on the elevator one day. And this guy's one of the solidest guys, I know, one of the craziest guys I know. I come off the elevator and he's shaking and I was like, what's wrong with you?

And he starts crying, gives me a hug. I said, what's wrong? He's like, I just saw a man get killed. And I was like, what? So he describes everything to happen. I was like, who is this guy? He goes, I don't know. He's like a big Russian guy with a shaved head.

He's got blue eyes. Not clicking in, not clicking in. He's like, he's from the hood. You know him. I was like, I have no idea without it. So he explains everything. From the moment he walked in until the moment they put him under a futon

and started asking people, you want to see a dead body and turn him into a fucking joke. And his brother was there on acid and was petting his head like a cat, he said. He didn't realize it was a body. So anyways, two days later, because that happened that night after I saw John. So two days later, I'm in my house. And I'm thinking, because me and Trent were so close that if we don't hear from each other in two days, we'll message each other.

And just like even an insult, what's up squid? What's up, asshole? What's up goof? Like, the worst word in prison here is goose. But we call each other like, what's up goof? just to check on each other and I realized he hasn't talked to me in two days

like what the hell so when he wants to cool off he goes to his mums so I roll over to phone his mom and almost like a fucking hologram I picture John going there was a big Russian guy who was built with blue eyes

shaved head and I was like Trent's fucking dead and what John told me was those guys are like oh yeah we're going to get him over here and blah blah we're going to tell him you want this so Trent came to deliver drugs

as soon as he walked in someone hit him in the back of the head with a two by four and then as he fell forward they stabbed him in the chest and then hit him in the back of the head with a bat stab him in the chest again

why drugs yeah just to take his drugs and the only good thing about that was I guess Trent he was they said when he was breathing his chest would go

from being stabbed so that air coming out and then they said when he was dying he was on all fours and they were still hitting him in the back of the head and then his last breath he looked up and he's like I'm not dying with my chin down or something like I or my face down oh no I'm going to die chin up that's what he said so he's like trying to be solid till the end that's a good thing because he was like you

know to us that's a good thing you're not a different world very very very very different opinion I'd rather have him not die obviously but in our world that's like you died like a man kind of thing. So she did you go. But yeah, so where was I here? Oh yeah. So I got the frostbite. So it got really bad. There was like these huge wounds. They're still on my leg. It's been six and a half years and I still have the wounds. They're slowly finally healing. I go for badness changes every second day. But I was in my buddy's bathroom. And like when they used to at the hospital in Winnipeg, they nicknamed me the weeping giant because every time they took them off, he would stick, and it would hurt so bad, ripping them off. And I'd get, like, curi-eyed and shit.

So, um, so one day I was at my buddies, and I'm doing my bandages in his bathroom. What I used to do was just cut up, like, pillowcases and wrap them around them or whatever. So, very sterile, by the way. Um, so he knocks on the door. He said, are you crying? I'm going to cry. And I didn't lock the door. So he opens it. He said, holy fuck, it's one of your legs. I was like, I don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I got this. And he said, try. this. And I was like, what's that? So he has me tinfoil and a little pipe and a lighter. And I'm like, what is that? He's like, that's down. I was like, what's down? He's like, he's like, no, I'm good, bro. I'm good. I tell him the fuck off. He keeps going, oh, you won't feel

nothing if you do it. You won't feel no pain. So I hear that. I took a little hoop. Sure enough, I didn't share other friends. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, these were the meth friends that introduced me to Fennell. So it was already, I was already hanging around with a piece of shit crowd. So But, so I did a hoot. I changed my bandages, no problem. So I started buying it and only doing it before I did my bandages. I'd keep it on me till then. And then next thing, you know, I needed more and more.

Need it more and more. Then it became no longer medicine. It became a need. And then it was no longer recreational. It was, fuck, I need this. My body needs this. And I remember one time, I was at my friends and I fucking overdose. and he said I was dead for three minutes.

And I woke up, I guess because of my size and how much sweat there was there, they thought I had a heart attack. Because it was the last time you saw a 400-pound junkie. So they treated it as a heart attack, woke me up in the hospital. Because apparently when Sedanol hits your system, your lungs forget to breathe. So you can just hit somebody like this or give them compressions and they're good. You don't necessarily need NARCAT. Right.

It can't helps, but you just need to get the lungs going. That's it. so they're giving me chest compressions thinking I had a heart attack so that's what woke me up again but they said I was dead for three minutes I went back to my friend and I was like hey where's the rest of my shit smoked again even though I died I was like yeah and it was just

yeah the fentanyl was like I lost more from fentanyl like I became homeless and everything and I lived on the streets and I had people die beside me I've had people die without me noticing I saved 51 overdoses and it still never deterred me like your body needs it so bad

and when you start getting dope sick off fentanyl it's the worst thing in the world the thoughts you have the things you're willing to do to get it like there was a corner store with a nice guy in the world and I almost went there with a hatchet and my buddy showed up with some fentanyl

and I know if I did that to that dude I never would have been able to live it down like once I was over I'd be a as if Another four years in prison. Yeah, in Canada, yeah. No, but it did. There was just, thankfully, there was just lines I wouldn't cross to get that.

I'm not sure if you want to know my main way of getting. It's not sexual or nothing. But do you know what Narcan is? Yeah, Narcan is the stuff they give you to kind of revise you, right? It's like an adrenaline. Yeah, it reverses the opiate. So what I used to do, say, for example, you and you have a friend named pawn. Say, Tom, say, Tom, say you owe me money, or you owe my buddy money, my buddy

who sells Fenlo. Say, you owe money. I know where Tom is. I'll go see Tom, get Tom to my place, or somebody's place, and then I'll tie up Tom, knowing he's a fentanyl addict. I'll hit him with two things in our can. They put him right into dope sickness, which is the worst fucking feeling in the world. So he'll be dope sick. I'll show him a half baggie of dope. And I'll say, like a half gram. I'll say, I'll give you a hoot. If you tell me where he is, once we confirm he's there, you can have this whole half gram. And when you're dosed, you don't give a fuck, you give up your mother. Like, it's fucking, that's, it's the worst thing in the world. So yeah, so that's how I used to get my drugs. If he co-gets their money, they give me this percentage of me. I'd say

give it to me in drugs. And it was just, and I've done that so many times, like, without violence, thankfully. But, uh, no, I'm sure tying the guy up to the chair. That's not. a little bit of wiggling like this. I did it was very gentle. I guess we got a different opinion on a few things. So yeah, but once like once I was into that he was just oh like there's there's so many good people I know that fell into that

that died, it just did not deserve the guy like just. what years were this? Let's see, I got out 2017, so 2018, 2019, and then 2019, fentanyl really hit when it picked. They call it down. It's like a mix of filler, heroin, and fentanyl, but it's mostly fentanyl.

Right. So when it hit, nobody really knew what it was. And then I know people did mix, like, they'll mix a mess with it, and then give it to somebody without them knowing it, or somebody will use a meth bubble without realizing there was fentanyl here and he died like that.

And actually I had one of my best friends. She actually, her biggest wish was I'd get off fentanyl. But she ended up in psychosis from meth. And she blew her head off. And I really honestly wish she was here to see me get clean. She's one of my best friends. And yeah, her mom,

died from cancer and she just fell apart and her brother hung himself because of their mother's death and she just couldn't handle it anymore so she did more and more drugs and then her girlfriend broke up with her and then she's like is this what you want is this what you want but what her girlfriend told me because i got the full story from her she said because you've shot guns before right yeah so when the safety's on there's no give at all but you can't So if you don't realize the safety's not on and you feel a little bit of give then you know you're fucked

So she said right when she saw her hand flex She had this really weird look of regret on her face So I almost think she was trying to scare her girlfriend But I also know she was going through some shit She was hearing voices and shit But she's never been through So I don't know if it was like an accidental If she was trying to scare her or she was her trying to stop the voices

It was just it was so sad So yeah But yeah my biggest his wish she was still here to see me get sober. But so my legs are fucked. I haven't talked to my foster parents in two and a half years. My ex-girlfriend, I asked her if I can come home. She said a lot of things have changed.

My mom lives with me now. My best friend lives with me. And I have a foster kid. So I was like, okay, cool, no big deal. Like you heard like fuck, but I was like, no, no big deal. So I hadn't talked to her in two years. My foster parents, two and a half years. My legs were killing me.

I had no dope. I was sick of living that life, trying to figure out where to get told. And I had a check coming up on a Friday. So I knew on Tuesday, if I went to the hospital, they'd admit me because of my legs. And I also knew they put me on anti-withdrawal meds that'll hold me off until I get my check. So my plan was, do you know what a pick line is? Yeah. Okay, so I had a pick line in my arm.

and my plan was when I get my check I was going to buy all spend it all and put it in the flusher for the pick line and just say goodbye I was sick of the life

I was sick of this I was sick of not having anybody at all like it was just you know and the thing is too if you're really going to do it you're not going to be on social media saying I'm so sad oh this and that

give me attention so I didn't post nothing about it I just kept up my normal happy posts you know trying to fire people as a homeless junkie. And then, yeah, so I was going to say goodbye. And all of a sudden, so when I went to the hospital, there was COVID.

So they had free Wi-Fi, free TV, free phone because you couldn't have visitor. So they gave you all that shit for free that you normally had to pay for. Right. So I got moved to this one room with a fancy, like, touchscreen TV that comes down. So I went on there and I logged on the Facebook. And this will be three days before I was planning to kill myself. So this was Wednesday So on Wednesday I logged in And my ex-wife

message me And she said, hey, it's me How are you doing? I had a bad dream about you last night Please let me know you're okay She goes, I just want to know that everything's cool Like that you're okay

How are your legs doing? And I want to let you know I still love you So I was like, cool, fuck I'm like, yeah, kind of weird So I just played it off Like nothing's going on Nothing's in my head

Told her I missed her, told her I loved it too Kept up just talking I mean, like, didn't want to give her any hint of what was going on. The next day, I log on again to talk to her, and I have a message from my old foster dad, who I hadn't talked to in two and a half years. And he's like, hey, kiddo, wondering, how are you doing? He said, how are the legs? I hope everything's good.

Hope you're healing. Just want to know you're okay. You know, let me know what you're doing. Love you, kiddo. And I'm like, holy fuck. What are the chances? Like, they live 15 minutes away from each other, but they hadn't spoken, apparently. because I asked my ex-wife, have you talked to Scott?

She's like, no. So they hadn't talked to each other, and they both reached out to me two days before and one day before I was ready to end it. Right. So I'm thinking in my head, like, this can't be coincidence. Let's give this one more try. So, and also because I was planning on killing myself, I just thought, what's the harm of being totally honest with the addictions team at the hospital?

So I told them everything. I didn't care. I was leaving in three days. So told them everything. And then after this, on the third day, before, like, I was going to get my check, it was in the morning. They came and there's like, hey, we're going to do this, this, and this.

If you don't mind, we're going to microdose you like this. Everything's going to be okay. We're going to get you up to here. And you won't have withdrawal or nothing. I was like, you know what? They're working with me. These two reached out to me. Is this coincidence?

And I was like, I don't think so. I said, let's give it one more show. So she's like, why don't you come home? So I said, okay. so I quarantined came home and then yeah

since I've been home that was two and a half years ago I think Right Your wife said Yeah Yeah my ex-wife Yeah

So Yeah I came home And I've had In the beginning I had three relapses So when I came home From the third relapse

You remember I was talking about Indian Day School I was telling me about. Yeah. So there was a class action lawsuit against the government for that. And I got 10,000. I was supposed to get 150,000. But they said because I don't have any disfigurements or long or scars, I don't get the 150. Because it apparently doesn't prove that I got beaten up. You got to prove it. Apparently trauma's not anything. So I got the 10 grand, the basic. And then, And yeah, we got into an argument one night and I went to Winnipeg.

He was playing to stay at my sons in Winnipeg and then my best friend and my brother messaged me. He was my foster brother for six years. I call him my brother. They messaged me and they're both users. They knew I got that money. They're like, oh, let's meet up. So they had a free ride, spent all that fucking money.

So the two grand they released when the check first came. I got to spend with the family. He gave to my kids. they eight grand they released a few days later I spent all on on drugs and I came home my wife didn't care about the money she was just like

you know you need to get out you need to promise me this isn't going to happen again you need to go to counseling figure something out make a plan or I'm done so it okay so start going to counseling about it made a relapse plan so I don't relapse again

shit I got and then yeah it's been almost two years I've been clean I started doing public speaking about my life and about it's called holding on to hope and I just tell people like there's no matter what you're in

there's always a way out there's always a way to climb out of it because so many people I know that are in fentanyl they're only they're going to end up in jail for stealing to pay for it

or they're going to end up dead yeah or killing another fentanyl dealer like they're going to end up in prison like that's the only way I've ever seen it end I don't know anybody else that was in my group of friends

that's off drugs right now so it's just crazy like I go back to Winnipeg I run into so many people that are just you see them high and I'm just like where are you where are you now I live in the rolling river first nation which is your reserve with the ex-wife or yeah we're getting married again next year I'm marrying my ex-wife exactly yeah I always say that max wife my fiancee yeah um okay and you you were and you're you're You're working with your stepmother, your step, oh, wait, sorry, what do you, your foster mom, thank you. No, no, no, no, no.

Oh, you're not working there. I thought you were. I work at the band office. At the what? The band office. It's like, it's like City Hall for a reserve. Oh, okay. So we have a chief.

We have three counselors, and they oversee the operations on the reserve. I'm the receptionist, so I'm a sexist. Sexy's secretary you've ever met. I'm telling you that. You see me in big tales. Yeah, but it's like a really humble life, but it's like my wife asked me once in a while, like, are you bored out here?

And I'm like, it's a good boring. Yeah. You don't have to worry about nothing. Like, I'm so content. Like, I just love everything that's going on in my life, except for my legs. My legs are slowly healing, but I don't know much about, I'm in Florida, so I don't know anything about frostbite.

Yeah. But what, what, I mean, how about, why is it taking so long? They can't figure that out. Like, they say, okay, well, you're diabetic. It might be because of that. But the thing is, if I get a wound, if I get a wound on my foot, it heals right away. Like anything on my feet heels, anything above my knees heel, it's just from just below my knee down to my ankle where those wounds are. And when one heals, it like moves around.

So this will heal the one beside it will open. Like the skin decided it will open. But thankfully the last four months, we got new bandages that are slowly closing them. So yeah. So once those are done, then my life is perfect. Well, that's good. Yeah. You feel, how do you feel about this?

Very good. Okay. I looked back at where I was and I can't believe I made it out. how do you feel about the interview good good okay feel like we covered everything we're good I don't the X that shot me what no I was an X that shot me I mean who doesn't that's for real though that's actually blew my balls off but I have scars just above my knees where the shotgun and the bullets burnt so they didn't actually go into me they just burn me But I thought she blew my balls off at first.

Listen, I'm going to interview a guy who was his ex-girlfriend now, obviously, his girlfriend saw a, he was taking a nap and she saw a gift card for Victoria's Secrets, even though, and Mother's Day was in a few days, and that was her Mother's Day present. she saw he's all like a 50 or a hundred dollar get boiled water and threw it on him on his junk on his shit oh 30% of his body burn he said the skin how do you know slump melted up but he said he has a word he's like sloughed off him i mean it's listen he sent me pictures wow horrible she only seen it fix yeah i did no no he didn't send me like there was no it's it's full on it's bad wow a pink little thing and that was for her from her that gift card was for her the gift card was from her oh listen the whole thing she's in

prison right now like she was on the run she just went just nuts just insane is the guy suicidal no he's fine i mean it didn't burn it off i mean he just low okay but he was law he was for 30 days he was in in the hospital you imagine how painful that's your oh yeah sure Yeah, holy shit. Yeah, bro, it's, it's, uh, I'll take the calm, boring. Let's watch the Netflix series, life over, you know, no, no, I'm good. Over the insanity that comes with, uh, you know, drug life. Yeah.

I get the ones. My wife's very normal. She doesn't do drugs. We actually got, oh yeah, I didn't tell you that. We got divorced. We got married in prison. Okay. when I was there for doing my drum time.

I promised her I was done selling drugs, her rings over, and the way we met was awesome. Like, do you remember I told you got three jobs when I first moved out here? Yeah. So I was a bartender and she came in one day. She was going to university in the city.

So she came back to visit her cousin and she walked in and I was just like, holy fuck. So she's in line to get beer and there's a guy beside her talking to her and you can see like spit coming out of his mouth onto her. So I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to save this chick. So she comes up, and I grabbed her hands, and I was like, hey, sorry, babe, I didn't clean the house last night after the party.

If we're going to drink, we have to go to your house tonight. And she realized what I was doing. So she's like, oh, okay. So she went, I gave her a beer. She went sat down. But he comes up, he's like, oh, I'm so sorry, man. I didn't know. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, big deal.

So I wouldn't introduce myself. And that's how we ended up together. And then so when I'm in jail, I asked her at the visit. I said, what do you feel about getting married? And she's like, yeah, sure. So I'd come back and I was like, hey, this is the date. And she's like, oh, you were serious? And I said, yeah.

She's like, you were serious. I was like, yeah, this is the date we're getting married. Yeah. I had one of the, I had a guy make a ring for you. That's the soap, the soapstone. I was a different jail. I would have to do that. Oh, okay.

No, I bought rings on the street. She's allowed to bring them in. But the take, we try to order an actual wedding cake. Or they, instead they just baked like on a big prison. pen a chocolate cake with like the shittiest icing is so dry like they let my niece and nephew come in a couple dudes there were like my best man and she got to bring her sister and her brother and her mom so it's pretty funny but then when I got out I didn't keep my promise so we ended up getting divorced so that's how that works well let's give it another try yeah yeah I think this

one's the one once in a while I get those when she wakes up don't fucking leave me she said the other day. I was like, what? She said, why are you trying to leave me? I was what are you? She goes, I had a dream. I'm like, fuck you. Or she'll get those cheating dreams and she'll bug me all day about her. So luckily she's joking. She's not a psycho. So I've had those. Listen, bro. This guy thought his wife was his girlfriend was perfectly fine. He's like, we've never had any problems. Never saw this coming.

Oh, the girl that shot me, we're together for five months, never had a disagreement. No argument, no disagreement, nothing. one day she goes I heard you going back to your ex-wife and I said what and she put a shock into my chest

and I'm like what she goes I heard you going back to your ex-wife Laura once she said her name because I never denied I was married before once she said her name

I was like what the fuck but my wife my ex-wife and I when we talked on Facebook we were civil we didn't talk we didn't flirt we didn't say nothing

sexual to each other right we were just friends so even if she went through my Facebook I wasn't saying anything bad to her and then she put that shock into my chest and I'm like what the fuck

when she said Laura I was like oh God So I grabbed the shotgun, pulled it down, put it between my knees. And when I tried to pull it away from her, her finger was on the trigger. And that's a blast. So I kind of shot myself, but she was holding the gauge. I feel like I'd argue differently. But so what happened with the priest?

So now that I'm clean and I'm not in prison, I don't have to act tough. I'm off drugs. I got to deal with my childhood trauma. So what I did one night about three months ago, maybe, I was on Google. I couldn't sleep that night. I just thought, I wonder, is this fucker is still alive? So I googled his name and something popped up right away, saying that they were saying he's one of the Canada's most prolific pedophiles.

He's got between 500 and 600 victims. And then also they said he got cancer. convicted for 60 of them, 60 or 30, but he only got six years. So I was just like, oh, shit, that's nothing compared to what he's done. But the church, what they did was because he had a pilot's license, they gave him a plane. So he would fly to remote communities and be the priest there and stuff. And he used part of the Boy Scouts, too, Boy Scouts Canada and all that. So, yeah, so I, when I Googled Ralph Rowe, that came up, all that stuff.

And then it also said there's a class action lawsuit against him. So I looked into that. And there's a, because he did all this in Ontario and Manitoba. So there's a law firm in Ontario taking care of the class action lawsuit. And yeah, all these people are coming forward, talking about what he did and stuff. And so yeah, so hopefully you do get justice. Right. Is he deceased or is he still alive?

He's still alive. He's living in on Vancouver Island. like living a good life and I saw on Reddit there was a subred about him his name's Ralph Rowe and there's a subreddit about him but I don't think anyone's commented on there for a long time

but yeah that's how how many victims he had they said that his legacy on native men is men that don't know how to be fathers don't know to be relationships properly substance abuse and all that and they just left a trail of shit everywhere he went so

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