Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - TONY ROBBINS FIRED ME...

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

TONY ROBBINS FIRED ME...

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Tickets on sale now. August 1st. I'm fired from Anthony Robbins. Buy Anthony Robbins. And said when he was done, he said when he was done firing him, he said, I felt really good like I was going to go on and be successful. Hey, this is Matt Cox and... Zach? And we are answering subscriber questions.

So, this is it. Yep. All right. So this guy says, I would be interested in hearing about politics of pardoning and deal. Why some people get pardoned and some don't. Politicians using crime criminals as face for pushing legislation, state and federally. And how do a lot of Washington? Street guys get light sentences and other financial criminals get longer sentences at federal

level. My God, that's a hell of a question. Yes. That's an hour and a half, two-hour podcast right there with two people that know what they're talking about. Well, the answer to that really is money. All that is money. I agree. And prior record, the Wall Street guys have no prior conviction, so they get bond and they get money. And believe me. And they can hire lawyers that can really, really tear apart a case. Yeah, and the sentencing guidelines. Like, they can, like, the way the sentencing guidelines are written, they're extremely broad.

Yes. Right. So take Conrad Black, for example. Conrad Black take the same charges and the same dollar amount for Conrad Black, and most people would have gotten 20 years. Conrad Black got a few years, right? I thought he had, like, 10. But he won in the Supreme Court.

I know. That's what I'm saying. he won. Could you have won that case? No. You know, because you don't have the lawyers. You can't pay, you can't pay a dream team of lawyers to fight the case. Now here's the thing. So that charge with that dollar amount with all the under the sentence and guidelines, and let's say he got, I think he got like 10 years. Did he get what? I mean, it was, it was like level, what was the highest level 32? I don't know, but yeah, he got a huge sentence, right? So he initially got a huge sentence.

got cut. He only did a few years. Yeah, right, because he won in the Supreme Court. Something that they adjusted, they legislated, and I think they made something in the sentencing guideline to apply to him, right? Okay, they forced it to apply. They forced, like, mail fraud, like, dishonest services mail fraud to apply to him, which it didn't. So he beat that. They then said, look, you cannot charge this guy with this crime because he doesn't meet that criteria. And as a result, he got let out, right? And they had to resentence him. When they resentenced him, he had to come back in for a few months, like three or four months.

And then he left again. Oh, okay. Have you met him? You met Conrad Blatt? No. No. I mean, I was like, I barely missed him by like a few weeks in the low. Him getting out the second time or the first time?

The first time. Okay. Because he got out. Then he had, I think, the first time. Then he came back, but he didn't come back to Coleman. he came back to another instant. He went to like Miami to the camp or something below for a few months. But that's neither here norther there.

The point is that, so he got a big sentence, but he ended up starting very little time. Here's the thing. How many times prior to that had the federal government charged someone with the same crime it didn't apply to and every one of those people did all of their time? So they did 10 years, they did five years, that they shouldn't have.

Until someone like Conrad Black comes along with a dream team of lawyers, who can go all the way to Supreme Court and explain to the Supreme Court that basically my crime doesn't fit this criteria. I shouldn't have been charged under this. Therefore, I should be released and resentenced. Right.

So prior to that, for 20 years, people were being charged with that crime doing all their time and getting out because they don't have the money to fight it. Well, what about, what's his name, Kraft? I don't know with that one. With the prostitution, where they sat and they videoed him

coming out of that salon in South Florida. You don't remember about that? Well, he got charged with solicitation. The owner of the Patriots? Yeah, the owner of the Patriots. No, I didn't hear that. You didn't hear about, real quick, probably overview. He went into a massage parlor in South Florida,

and they were watching that massage parlor. And when he came out, I guess they started recording the address or that his car would pull up and how long he was in there. and he came out. So then they went in and they charged them with solicitation of like prostitution. Even though they don't know what happened in there. Kind of. I think they arrested the girls and they kind of twisted the girl's arms.

Well, they took them to jail. Well, then he hired some huge dollar lawyer who kind of came in and said, so tell me about your surveillance. They're like, yeah, well, we sat over here and we watched it for, you know, like five, six hours or a whole day. And he's like, according to the law, if there's nothing going on, you can't just watch like innocent people

doing innocent things you know what I'm saying you have to have a suspicion of a crime so if you watch them for an hour and a half you got to stop you know what I'm saying

so you weren't really suspicious of a crime you're just going to sit like I could watch you all day until you did something wrong and then arrest you so they're like you can't do that so he brought into light

the fact that when it comes to surveillance that there's a limited time frame where they can actually sit and watch you do something innocent. And turn that whole law around. He got that whole case thrown out based on that. Well, it would have been one of us, absolutely no way a lawyer would have argued that point.

No. No, what you have to think, too, so when you get arrested, and so first of all, most people, they get arrested, the first thing they do, if it's any kind of money crime, they come in and they seize everything you have. Well, if you're Conrad Black or someone, they don't, if you're a Wall Street lawyer

who's got $30 million in all these different assets, They don't seize anything. Like, typically they come in, they arrest you or they indict you. They bring you downtown. They typically, like, they don't show up with guns drawn. They knock on your door with a bunch of guys. They say, hey, look, you're coming with us. They handcuffed you.

They let you. Like, they treat you way different. Yes. Because they know this is going to, there's going to be a lot of lawyers involved. This guy's got money. And we don't really have, we can't get a federal judge to sign off saying we're going to seize 45 different accounts. We're going to seize all this proper. Because the truth is, we don't know how much of the fraud is.

covered in all of this and it'll look bad because we know it's going to get publicity we know the one thing we zach and i agree most criminals will agree with is the one thing that government does not want is press right so if you arrest some wall street guy with a bunch of money he can one fight you so now it's it's an even playing field it's not an even playing field with some fraudster who's stolen a million dollars and doesn't have anything in his name right or he's got some stuff in his name but you're thinking we we kind of feel like it's from fraud so seize everything he has because he's not going to get a lot of press he's not we seize everything too we put him in a bad position he's going to have to get a public defender because that's what happened

like with me you they come and grab me there's 700,000 in this account there's 400,000 here there's X amount of money all over the place there's a bunch of assets but guess what none of us in Cox's name so we can seize everything he has no choice but to go with a public defender and the the federal government it's really not in the federal government I think it's the bar association I'm sure some lawyer can correct me but So, but I'm pretty sure the bar, there are, there's things called certified public, certified trial attorneys. Right. Okay.

So like less than 3% of lawyers are certified trial attorneys, which means that they've spent X amount of time actually in the courtroom. Right. All right. So that's one thing that, that's a list that's out there by the bar. But there are other lists that are held by the U.S. attorney's office and insurance companies where they say, how often has this attorney gone to court. Trial. So think about it.

They know. They know that Zach's an attorney. He's a federal public defender, or he is a, he's under the federal public defender program where he's put himself up there to be, to represent criminals. But we also know this about him. He's never gone to trial. He's been trying cases. He's been taking cases for 15 years.

He's never actually tried a case. So guess what? But if Zach gets appointed that independent attorney under the federal defender program, so he gets appointed that lawyer, Zach can't go to trial. He won't go to trial. He'll take any plea we offer him because his attorney might bitch and moan, but we know in the end his own attorney is going to convince him to take the plea. Right.

Because when we get to a point where we say that's the least we're going to offer him, we'll just go to trial. We know the attorney's going to turn to Zach and scare the hell out of him. man you can't go to trial brother they're going to give me 30 years you got to take this plea because he doesn't want to go to trial you know why he's never been to trial he doesn't really know how to do trial he's terrified and he's never done trial he's not going to do trial right he's going to convince his client to take a deal so we're going to give him 10 years and he'll sign the 10 years because we know his lawyer can't go to trial he's terrified yep and that's what happens and that's what happens in law like

like for instance you get into a car accident and your lawyer comes in and you go with this lawyer and that lawyer goes to State Farm Insurance. State Farm's insurance adjusters go, who is this? Oh, 30 years. Been to trial twice, lost both times. Hasn't been to trial in 15 years. He ain't going to trial.

Then they go and they offer Zach $100,000 for what should be a million dollar settlement. Right. Zach's own lawyer convinces him to take the $100,000. He should be a million, but the title, they know. Right. He's got poor representation. Well, then that that infers that the entire system is screwed up because you're right. No.

Stop it. I won't sit here and listen to you talk bad about the justice system in the United States. You're right. You're absolutely right. Yes. That's what that kind of infers because and then the fact that these lawyers just take money from insurance companies who jack up the rates of the people who have to have insurance. You know how many times I've been in prison and met some guy who had.

who got seven or eight years for like $30 million, $50 million. What? Just a few years. And I'm sitting there going, I got hit with $6 million and I got 26 years. How did you get seven years? Well, it was this crime or it was that or was that or I or went to trial on $6 million. Went to trial and lost and got like 12 years. 12 years?

You went to trial and lost and got 12 years. 12 years. Well, I had a very good lawyer. And you're right. You did have good lawyers. Right. Because I had a public defender who, you know, she did what she could. I mean, look, in my case, it's hard to, in my case, there wasn't a lot of wiggle room because I was so overwhelmingly guilty.

Right. But the other thing is the way they, they, the way they hit you up for, like, your dollar amount. Like, my dollar amount is so ridiculous. Like, they, I know a lot of guys that plead guilty to dollar amounts that they truly feel like, I pled guilty to $15 million, or $10 million, but I never saw $10 million. And then, you know, there's all these things that offset it. And even though the U.S. Attorney Office knows they always try and hit you for the full amount, which is just such a scumbag thing.

So if you borrow half a million dollars, right, on an asset that's worth $400,000. So if the bank's never going to lose more than $100,000, they have a house worth $400,000, they lent half a million. Right. There's only $100,000 in what's in potential loss. Right. That house offsets the half a million. So the government will come in and say,

we're going to hit you for, or we're charging you for half a million dollars. Isn't that that intended loss? It is, but you understand, like in my case, they first came out of the gate saying they were going to hit me over $25 million. You know, damn, well, I didn't take $25 million. So it's up to your attorney to argue that, down. But think about it. That U.S. attorney would have been perfectly happy to give

some guy 30 years that he knows he maybe made half a million dollars. Yeah, but we've got numbers that say 25 million. So we're going to charge you with 25 million and your lawyer can argue it down. What if my lawyer says, yeah, that's the way it is. That's just how it is. It's 25 million. You're going to have to take the 30 years. Okay. So you plead guilty to to 25 years or to 30 years. Think about that. Right. That's totally up to your lawyer because you're just some guy who commits fraud. You don't know that you could only really be charged for a million dollars. True.

Well, I mean, you say all that and my loss amount was $130,000 and I got 198 months. Your arrest record is outrageous. Yes. It's off the chart. Yes. You've never. You have like a learning disability when it comes to crime because like you can't seem to understand you have to stop.

this you keep getting arrested and arrested and arresting and all you're thinking is well these are learning experiences no these are chances unbelievable good point but we'll talk about that in the next video we've got but we've got another video we're going to talk about arrests and how they went and how it happens and how you're treated and the process it says ultimately what gets people caught, greed or complacency? Or is it extension factors, women, kids that hold people in one area that ultimately lead to their arrest? What do you think? I think it's more complacency than greed. Because the greed is what leads you to the pull off, what you're pulling off, and what puts everything together. And initially when you do it the first time, it's very, you're

watching everything. And when it works, you're kind of like, okay, cool. So then you might go to second and third time and you kind of get complacent and forget to the cover certain items that are very important. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely think you become emboldened by your success. Right. That's part of it. Obviously, look, I think, I think part of it, it's the same thing. Part of it is driven by greed. You need the money or you want the money. Sometimes it's necessity. Sometimes you're just in such a horrible situation, you see a very clear path to making a bunch of money.

And, you know, so you take that. You know, you take that path. But I think, I think what happens is the more emboldened I got, I mean, the more crime I got away with, the more emboldened I got. Yes. Like, I did constantly think,

fuck it, I can do this. You know, I can get away with this. I can do this. I can do it. Yeah, I'll go in the bank. You said earlier that you, didn't think you would ever be arrested? Like, they're never going to catch me. Absolutely. Because every time they caught me and I talked my way out of it, I thought, man, I'm good. I'm good. I know

what I'm doing. Like, I'm good at this. I'm, there's never going to happen. So it did. It kept getting, you know, my arrogance kept getting higher and higher and higher. And, and, uh, I'm not sure. That makes sense. But, uh, but, uh, but I think also, um, you know, everybody always, you know, it's always like, oh, a woman, this, or that. Okay, well, look, you were, you were, going to get caught eventually. Like you can't say like is this like this one chick told on me and that's why I got or my buddy got, you were going to get caught anyway. Eventually you're going to get caught. How many law enforcement officers are there out there? You know what I'm saying? And they're looking at you and they're looking for this and everybody's looking out for this. I mean eventually

to think you could do this forever. I think the only way to do it is to do it, do it successfully get away and then just stop. And then you've got a chance. Yes. Like, yeah, I don't, it does the, the noise, this is, do you hear this? I hear it, yeah. Can you hear it on the, um, it's tough to tell. It sounds like the range between here and what I'm hearing. You're right, right. Yeah.

And I knew this eventually that was going to, that's why I got, I have to get into a bigger place, a house where I don't have neighbors. Or no Saturdays. You got to do it. Yeah. Well, the, the thing is, like, that's the dog. Like, that's a, that's a bone. Like, the dog. Oh, really?

When he gets hyper and he'll run around, he'll pick up the bone to drop it, pick up the bone and drop it. And he's playing with the bone. But I don't think you hear it on this. If anybody hears the bone dropping upstairs, the boom, boom. Let us know in the comments. All right. This one's for me. It says, much respect, brother.

My question is, have you ever considered becoming a pastor so that you can legally scam? The way you talk, you would be very believable and good at it. Just like I got to hear. Um, no. I've, I've often thought of becoming like a motivated, a motivating, motivated motivational speaker. Motivational speaker. Thank you. Wow. I know what the, I know. And my English is horrible. And you worked for, he worked for Anthony. Oh, I was going to say Tony Robbins. Yeah, Tony Robbins. Is it? It's Anthony, Tony, Tony. I mean, is it? Anthony Robbins. He actually worked for him for, what, 18 months? Yeah. That's pretty good. Did you know that?

No, what was that? Yeah, bro, that's why I want to tell him to come one day when he has like two or three hours and can tell his whole story. It's insane. This was in the 90s when he had his... Got fired from Anthony Robbins. By Anthony Robbins.

And then when he was done, he said, when he was done firing him, he said, I felt really good like I was going to go on and be successful. Like, it was the best firing I'd ever had. Like, that was motivating, huh? I'm out of a job, but damn. I feel good. I feel like I do have a future. Not with him, though.

No, no. Elsewhere. Yeah. Yeah, we'll have to do a whole video in that. Oh, we had to... After the full story, you can do like a... Oh, that's part of his whole story. That's part of his story.

Well, yeah, it was his train-to-trainer when he was training people to train people. He had this whole program going. And I think I was, like, in my opinion, I was the token. You know, it's like, I think back in the late 80s, early 90s, it's like, hey, get a black dude. Okay, got one. Cool. Yeah. We are integrated.