Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Tracy Morgan Throwing Counterfeit Money Leads to a Stripper Scam

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

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I used to get it's counter for money. One night we were in there with Tracy Morgan. He didn't have him money that he's throwing it to. If we get in trouble here with this funny money, Tracy Morgan's gonna be pissed. And when the cops show up, though, don't you say the stripper? She set me up. I got a job at a burger joint.

It was called Stewart's. You know, worked there for a couple of months. There was a car wash next door that I end up going to work for them, you know, for the car wash. So one day I'm working the register, right? So at the end of the day, they tell me, well, the register is $250 over, you know. Over.

Over. So I'm like... I'll take it. Yeah. So I'm like, I don't know. He's like, all right, well, we'll figure it out. But, you know, he was $125. Manager takes $125, you know.

I would say, is that a problem? I've never heard that over was a problem. You know, gradually I would, you know, increase it. So what I was doing is somebody would come for a super wash, you know, I would charge for a regular wash, you know, regular wash was five bucks, superwash was eight, you know, $3 extra. So I would do that throughout the course of the, you know, at the course of the day. So I was able to get it to, you know, there'd be some days we were up $300 over, you know,

and it got to the same thing. You know, he would take and split. What he ended up doing was giving me a sheet. He's like, you know, these are our average sales, well, these are the average sales on Mondays, on Tuesdays. We need the sales to stay in this area. So if you can make them stay in this area, while they're going to be able to stay in this area while being over, you know, we'll be good. We could, you know, continue on. So I's like,

okay, so you're giving me the... This is the green light. Yeah. Yeah, you're telling me it's okay. So I'm selling a bud there, too. You know what I mean? I would tell people you had to get a car wash. You want to come, you know, you got to get your car washed. And I'll give it to you on the way out while I'm driving. It's so horrible, bro. You're giving this place fucking rated. Yeah. So I'll give it two in the way out. So like three months and one day the manager calls me up. He's like, listen, I got to let you go what do you mean i was like i thought everything is good he's like yeah everything is good except the fact that the guys at the hamburger place saw you selling but at the other exit of the car wash to a customer i was like ah they saw that right he was like yeah he was like so you know i'm sorry

i said no it's it's not a problem you know what i thought he was going to say you're stealing what no we're stealing we're stealing so i was like i not a problem you know what i mean so i get a job doing construction, you know, two Italian brothers. They would do demolition, big jobs. I remember one time we were building a house and the living room was being built around a crate. Inside the crate was a Mercedes 300 S.L. I believe, Goldwing. The guy wanted it so that he could sit in his car and watch TV. So the car was, basically the house was built around the car. Right. I believe that at the time, the car was about $250,000, you know, it's like a 50s, a 50s model. Now it's, you know, close to two million. But that's how he designed it so that he could sit in his car and watch TV.

You know, I was like, you know, wow, that's odd, but whatever, if you're willing to pay for it. That's it. I came across an ad, you know, back then you looked in the paper, you see, you know, how blunt it's and everything. So there was a company called Moneywell, Money Well Mortgage. So, you know, I called up and inquired about it. The guy was like, when you want to, want to come in for interview. I'm like, well, you know, I just got to work. I need to change. He's like, that ain't worry about change. Just come on down, you know. So I have a conversation for one about 10 minutes. And the guy goes to me, he's like, so you want to get into a different industry?

You want to, you know, come to work looking professional? I was like, I said, yeah, yeah, that's the idea. He's like, have you ever sold? Bud. I was like, yeah, yeah. He said, this is easier than sell it. But I was said, okay. So I was like, I was like. He's like, so when you want to start? I'm like, about Monday. He's like, great. He's like, you have clothes?

I was like, I said, I'm not, no, not certain ties and, you know, suits or anything like that. He's like, okay, he's like, so give me 500, first time I meet this guy, give me 500 bucks, you know? He's like, buy a couple proper attire. He's like, I believe you guys call it court apparel. You know? Right. So I was like, all right, fine. He said, and do me a favor.

Get me four other guys like you. I was like, all right, he's like, yeah, guys, neighborhood guys, street guys. He said, you bring them to me and I'll do the rest. So I was like, great. So I started in the mortgage industry. Money with a mortgage end up filling it with my friends. Len Lombardo was the guy's name. He was like 26.

He had a S-500, an X-5, a Bair, a Ferrari 355. He had, you know. I feel like you wandered into my mortgage company. Like, there were guys, like, if the guy was, if he had sale experience and, like, you know, selling used cars or, like, I don't know anything about drugs. So, but it would have been the same company. So, like, if it, but if some guy was like, yeah, I've been selling used cars for the last five years, I'd be like, oh, the interview's over. I'll see you Monday.

You know what I'm saying? Like, we're done. Like, if you sell used cars, you know what the fuck you're doing. And that's the thing he always said. It's like, it's just a different product. Same thing, just different product. There was three other guys there. Like our mentor was a guy named Rick Artist.

He was a black guy. But they were all guys that were banned from the stocks, from training stocks because of all the pumping dumps, you know? So this was a place of banned stock workers, you know what I mean? But Rick was a big, big black dude, but over the phone, he sounded like an old white man, you know? So for like a couple of weeks, and these are a bunch of us are, you know, guys that are, you know, basically just in the street. We haven't, you know, no real, nobody really excelled in school or anything like that. So for two weeks, all it was was talking on the phones, you know. He taught us how to address people, speak to people.

You know, they gave us the pitch, the rebuttals. and taught us that you can be whoever you want to be on the phone, you know. We're all a nephew or a cousin of the owner, and we're all junior partners. And, you know, so our main job was getting applications, you know. So we would have contest, you know, who could get the application the most for the day? I believe, you know, on an average it was like three to four each that we would get. You know, anybody that got 10 would get a Rolex. I never saw many loans close, you know what I mean?

But we were... Well, then how are, where's the money being generated from? So we were just, we were constantly taking applications. I believe the owner didn't really know, understand the money that was to be made in the mortgage industry. Because what he was doing is he was buying bulk parcels of land that were in flood zones and swamp. And he was selling him to people, basically ripping them off because they're buying property that can't be used. Right. But through us, contact and getting applications.

we were basically qualifying the people that he could target for the investment. Okay. So that's what he was using it for as a contact because, you know, you can't just, you know, call out of the blue or, you know, so that's what he was doing. Some loans got closed from time to time, but that's what his main thing was. I didn't know that at first. Now, you know, I understood later why he filled it with the people that he did, you know,

people that didn't ask questions. If you were paying, we would do whatever, you know. Yeah, if you're giving me. 75 bucks or a hundred bucks a thing. I'm going to make 300 bucks a day. What do I care? 100%. And, you know, he would let us on his car. You know what I mean? Oh, you guys want to take the car. You know what I mean? So I know those guys. They pay for lunch. They pay the, hey, let's all go out for dinner. I'll pay for everything. You just keep thinking it's a great guy. He's a great guy. But in the end, you're like, you're a great guy. But you're also making the line share of the money. Everything. And I'm making 300 bucks. And I like you. I keep thinking I'm going to make a bunch of money. But the truth is, yes. I'm not making much money. I'm not making much money. I'm I'm committing crying for it. The money were making turned into a draw,

when it would quickly add up. I'd give you $400, $500 a week draw. You know, it's at the end of the week. You owe $2,000. And, you know, if things aren't closing, you know, meanwhile, it's not really closing about, you know, caring if they closed or not, it was just a point of contact.

So, but they did give us that tool, the speaking, the attitude, the, you know, the being confident and what you're selling, the, you know, the whole attitude. too that comes with sales you know what I mean about the power of the phone um so one day we're you know normal day of work and everything and the FBI hits the FBI comes the FBI comes comes to the door um the first question the FBI agents asking because you know we had a lock there was a lock here

that a stairs that goes up to another door that had also a lock on it which was like his office and downstairs was our you know facilities and so the FBI agents asked everybody what's the name of the company what's the name of the company you know there's just one or two walk in they're still ones outside they're asking us what's the name of the company you know so you know money well mortgage you know and you hear the lend yelling it's not money well mortgage i told you it's empire real estate it's empire real estate it's like what's what's going on here you know what i mean so he's yelling through the little intercom he's like get rid of the files get rid of the files so they finally make entrance into the into the locked door so when they make entrance the

the ones that were outside, they come in. We started passing, trying to pass boxes of files out the window, you know, and, you know, we started passing them out the window, but then we got scared. So we just, we left a bunch of files outside the window. We took off. Moneywell mortgage or Empire Realty was no longer, no longer there. But I kind of find out later that, you know, Len was a scammer, you know, he was very good with the mouth, very good with sales. But the guy that sold him the property, made an agreement that he'll hold the note. You know, he'll hold the note. But if Len falls behind in two months of payments, he has a right to foreclose on the property. So after about two years, you know, the, you know, the, Len had defaulted on some of the payments.

And I guess, you know, in the process of the guy trying to take the property, they started stumbling upon, you know, the different company names adjusted. the address and you know he basically I think he called you know raised the flag in order to get the property I think the original guy that he was buying this property from that owner financed it contacted the FBI because this guy was so because who was his name Lynn because Lynn was parceling off that property to investors unsuspecting investors and selling it off and so he's making a chunk of money but then eventually he gets behind and so the original guy that sold the property contacts the FBI

This guy's not paying me. He's not paying me, and I believe that there's something else going on. You know what I mean? Well, he's going to see that these parcels are being sold off and he's not, and I'm not getting paid. He probably didn't give a shit that they're going to sold off as long as he's getting paid. 100%. And then it was one of the people that, no matter how much money he had, he didn't pay anybody, you know, unless he absolutely had to. He was one of those people that owe you 10 grand and then, you know, listen, how about we just call it 7,500?

Right. You know what I mean? I'll call it 10. Yeah. But he's still the kind of guy that's, what, bringing you to dinner, paying for one. Yeah, yeah. And trying to endear himself through, you know, it's a, what I always make it makes me think of, beads for the natives. He's giving you, he's giving you next to nothing.

And you're accepting it thinking that it's something, when he knows it's nothing. Like these are, this is, this is a pittance of what I'm making. But I'm trying to keep you happy. And we see, you know, what he's made. So we see, you know, and through that, through the process, we see that there is money. to be made you know what i mean there there is money it's just he's making all right you know what i mean he ends up telling us that basically you know they're shutting it down and everything but you know he did again give us a tool that you know a lot of the guys that were there went on to you know

continuously work in the mortgage industry you know one of the guys made millions doing it that that started there with us you know we were basically you know a bunch of kids that you know had no plans of going to college we weren't you know weren't the brightest when it came to academics you know what i mean but we knew that the power in sales you know so so it gets shut down i go back to you know this is the only thing that's been consistent and great you know what i mean and now i have a car so back to the selling of the of the bud i get another call a few months later from one of the managers that was at money well said that he's at americ west now so americ west mortgage yes that was good stuff so yeah so staten island

there was one of staten island i worked at and won in cherry hill new jersey um so money well mortgage was basically that the mortgage company for people with not so good credit and who wanted money at the sacrifice of a very high interest rate we would have a stack of bank statements and you know all you had to do is put their name on it you know it would basically be all the information that was there to to to fit whatever criteria we were short we had a stack of papers that you know we would just put their name in and qualify we had our own underwriters there you know they had appraisers that worked with us that you know it wasn't a call of what's the property worth it was what do you need it to be where do you need it to be worth you know what I

mean so I mean I obviously sometimes there was such big gaps that it was just nothing you can do yeah but I started seeing that um that even even as you're taking applications you have people that make 25,000 a month you know what I mean and then when you talk about what do they have savings. It's like, I got $1,600 in the checking and $800 in the savings. And, you know, yeah, I got $26,000 a month in bills. I'm like, mostly in Staten Island people. They have boats and cars and everything, everything and nothing at the same time. You know what I mean? So I was just going to say, it's funny, we were driving, my wife and I were driving back from someplace and we were driving by all these people that have like, or all these houses. And they weren't in houses. They're like

single wide, double wide trailers. And they have like there's two boats and six cars. And, and five four wheelers and I'm driving by and I'm like look at these fucking people man like look at their houses are just junk and so and I said

you know what that is I said that's some guy who's gotten who had a good run and bought a boat and then figured out he can't keep it at his house or he lost his house

and he said you know what I'm gonna go I'll just call Greg Greg's got two acres in the middle of nowhere Greg can I keep my boat at your house so he does five years later

he's never used the boat it's still in Greg's yard you know what I'm saying or hey I just bought a four-wheeler because he thought it'd be cool but then he realizes it's useless it's useless and I never use it I live in the city Greg can I put it at your house sure no problem Greg ends up with fucking three boats and six cars or eight cars and two four-wheelers that either they're all outside being ruined yeah because that's what happens I mean you know you see them come up for sale everything's for sale with no title no titles like yeah but that yeah that's that's exactly what it is it was you know they spent everything that everything you've got because you think it's going to last forever everything and then even going to the red for the next month and you know and it was you know they would they didn't care what the rate was as long as you can give them their 40,000 their 50,000 that they needed you know you know we had some guys that would come straight and listen I need the money I got these bookies breathing out my neck I got to get them off like I can't put that down it's why you're borrowing the money so I'm like you know but you know your debt to income ratio is horrible my man you know what I mean he's like there's got to be

something you could do you know what I mean so I would bring it to my manager I would tell him and he was like yeah there's things we could do he's like you know it's like you know it's like if he doesn't care about the rate you know what I mean I'm like uh all right so you know these people would you know they would take it as long as you give them that money they didn't care um at a certain point I would start feeling you know a little bad way it came to like the old people because you know you would save them money you know they'd like oh my god you're saved me, you know, two, three hundred dollars a month. Like, yeah.

This is for like a refy paying off their car. Yeah. But their car would have been paid off in three years and now I just spread it over 20. That's it. And it's like, I'm saving it 300. But I just put 18 years back on your mortgage. But if you don't know anything, if you don't know anything about finance, it feels like they're like, wow, you totally just like, I'm going to save $300 a month.

I mean, my mortgage payment went up, but my overall payments went down by $300. bucks and you're like yeah but you would have been you would have been in two more years or in three more years you would have had your car paid off and you would have dropped by yeah two hundred dollars or something you know and i know it's not quite as much or whatever you know what i'm saying like i get it but overall i'm costing you more money i'm costing you more bringing your interest rate up but they don't people they don't are not smart enough to put that together they're just trying to survive till next month that's it that's it but then what they also don't realize is all you're going to do with that $300 a month is find something else to buy and spend it on.

Yeah, because you think, oh, now I've got an extra $300 I can go buy. I'll go get a four-wheeler that I can drive all that. That's exactly what they would do. Oh, wait a second. I can't keep the four-wheeler at my house. I know, you know, your buddy Greg? Doesn't he have a garage? Yeah, doesn't he have a garage?

Did he have a single wide with two acres out in the middle of nowhere? I could drop this thing off. Yeah, he'll do it. Yeah. Yep. And it was just, but, you know, I don't believe there was many mortgages. many deals that we couldn't get done you know we could always there was always something to be done i did that for a few years what um yeah what stopped with what stop with what stop that was

there was a big lawsuit to happen because argent the parent company wasn't paying overtime you know so they end up doing it were signed up with these companies i remember argent arjun yeah yeah they was they had a big they had a big hand in that selling of bad loans boy we were who i don't think there was a good loan that came from us But I ended up, you know, I went through a motorcycle. You know, I'm like, let me get a motorcycle. I didn't have a license, you know what I mean? So at this time, you have a license?

I didn't have a motorcycle license. Oh, okay. So throughout this time, you know, between the weed and the job, you know, I'm doing pretty good. I'm doing pretty good. I still live in my parents' house, you know, I'm going to work every day. So they didn't, you know, there was no questions being asked. I buy a motorcycle. And being that I don't have a license, they don't want, they can't sell it to me.

said, you know, they can't sell it to me. So, you know, I was like, I know, it'll take me a couple of weeks to get the license, you know, doing it the right way, but, you know, me and my shortcuts, I was like, how about if you just put it on a side of the building and I'll come and pick it up, you know? It'd be like, you know, like a, like somebody stole it type thing, except it's the owner that's stealing. You know what I mean? So he's like, all right, we could do that. We could do that. So I purchased the bike. I go to get it the following day, pick it up, and I get about three blocks. from the dealership and a guy makes a turn on yellow I spashed right into him break my shoulder break my knee totaled the bike I had the bike maybe seven minutes that was that was the extent so knock down out of commission my shoulder and a sling I got a tube in my neck to numb the nerve and everything can't work back to down you know throughout the months get basically back down to zero because you know there's no work and comp on something to happen outside, and, you know, the insurance is not going to give money from my pocket.

So I end up catching, getting a lawsuit and just, you know, but being out of commission for, I think it was, it was about four months that I was casted up, and then it took me about another five weeks, about a month to learn how to use my left arm again, because from not having a month, it was, you know, done. I end up getting some screws and pins and everything. So I end up being knocked down to nothing. I'm going to start over again. This time it was a quick return to it.

My neighbor was working for us. I would front him things and he would get rid of it because he was a skater and he was in touch with, you know, he was friends with all of that group. And his parents didn't mind people coming to his house all the time. You know what I mean?

I mean, sometimes it would get outrageous we'd have to tell him like, you know, brothers, like there's a line outside your house. You know, upper middle class, this looks crazy, Greg. One day my brother is home and my brother sees unmarked cars and things pull it up. So he calls Greg out. He's like, Greg, I think they're about to raid your house, you know.

Greg's like, whatever, dude, whatever, and hangs up on him. So watch the cops go down there, kick his door in, rest them, they end of finding a little bit of, you know, nothing major. He comes out in handcuffs, he gets locked up. I thought that he was, you know, I figured, you know, from his character that he was going to, you know, tell, like, you know. right but nope nope this kid ended up being one of the most end up solid kids I you know

I was surprised tell on just who he got the shit who he got yeah you know because I figured it'd be so easy to just pointing across street you know I mean like you know yeah across the street you know I mean when he got out you know he started asking me about um about the white you know yeah about powder yeah about powder so you know at the time I didn't you know

I didn't know about it but I was like well if you have a market for it, you know, we could, we could try it, you know what I mean? So I was buying eight balls, and then I would take the eight ball, and I would break it down for point four. So, you know, I would get three 40s and plus some. And we would, you know, so it to just him, he would give it out of its neighborhood, you know, upper class, one of the entire area, upper class. So we were able to mark things up, you know. My parents find a bunch of bud in the basement. so they find it come home one day it's there so like you know what's this i was like you know that's uh tweed what about this i'm like that's soft you know that's soft like what are you

doing with it like uh you know selling it storing it for somebody the way dad used to store it for his buddy that's what i should have said that's what i should have been a great answer so they were like well you know you can't do both you can't live here and sell this stuff you know i was like I'm like, all right, so I could have it back. So, they're like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm leaving, you know? So I end up taking my stuff. I end up leaving.

I end up just going from house to house staying with people because, you know, it's easy when you have, you know, when you have drugs, you know, it's easy to let people, people want to do everything for you if they can get some free. Right.

So I end up, I'm doing that for probably about two months, just, you know, out there, very unstable when you come back and think about it all. But, you know, but there was like a group of us. I was like five other kids who really didn't have any parents, and, you know, they would also be all around. And we go to a party one day, and during the course of the party, one of the

guys I was with robs the house. So they take all the jewelry, they take a bunch of jewelry, they take a couple other things. And later, I found out later because, you know, they were trying to figure out what to do with it, but there was no local. Paul and There was no nothing to do. So we end up just stashing at a kid's house. A couple weeks later, the cops come looking for us. So the cops basically come pick us up one by one. When the cop, you know, comes to me, he's telling me that the family basically, they just, you know, there's old things, old jury that has sentimental value.

And they really, they really want. Family heirloom. Yeah, they really, they're things that can't be replaced, you know. And, you know, so you basically tell me that this is not going to go away. He's like, you know, this is not going to go away. so I told him I was like well I said what if what if I knew where it was you know he's like if you knew where what I knew where the jury was he's like so you have it I said you know no I'm just asking you know if I knew where it was and they could get it back you know with that would that

change anything about all of this you know and so he said let me let me see you know so he left me there I guess he contacted the people and they agreed that you know know, they wouldn't, they were willing to not press any charges if, you know, if they got it back. So he was like, you know, could you, so you can get it back? I was like, I don't know for sure, but I was just, you know, I was curious. Yeah, I could make a call. Yeah, you know, I wanted to see what, you know.

So he's like, all right, well, here's not, you know, from our car, let me know what happens. So I go to, you know, I go to the house that it is. I take, I take it. I tell, I tell a couple of the guys that this is, you know, we're going to go to jail because when of you guys stole, you know, some jury. I said, you know, I'm not, we're not doing this, you know. So there was a beach, like sandy area and a little boardwalk. So I took it, and I buried it by one of the, one of the posts over under the dock.

I buried it there. Then I called up, called up the detective. And I told them, I was like, listen, it's, it's over, it's over here under the dock. You know, that's, that's everything. So he said, you know, all right, if it's all there, then, you know, it's all good. So, you know, knowing now, I probably, you know, I should have maybe got something in writing, you know, that would have, you know. But it happened to all work out, you know, it all worked out. They didn't press charges. You know, they got it all back. Whatever they didn't, you know, whatever was missing, they were, you know, fine, fine with. So throughout that time, one of the guys I'm getting the bud from, he tells me, he's like, you know, he's like, yo, my cousin has a house. He's like, you know, he has a house. He just put up with his girl, you know, I'm sure he'll rent you a room. He's like, plus, that's who I get my bud from. You know, that's who I'm getting the stuff that I give to you.

You know, you could just deal with him, you know, because I don't like doing this anyway. I just do it for you because, you know, it's a favor. So he introduces me to his cousin. And I think, like, when it comes to just throughout life, this was the most important person I've met that, you know, on this journey. This was, he was a real likable guy, easy, you know, to talk to, funny, you know what I mean? And he took care of his kids and his family. Overall, good person that just, you know, happened to sell butt, you know, wasn't, you know, I learned that you didn't have to, you didn't have to act and be tough and all that, you know, like, you didn't have to do that. You know, it's okay to smile.

It's okay to have good time and, you know, and be, you know, be nice to people, you know. And because, you know, that's what he was. So through dealing with him is when accelerated, slowly slowly went from. ounces to quarter pounds from pound from quarter pounds to pounds we would take rides to you know go pick up 40 50 pounds and you know and he would you know he would fly through it I mean it was the first time I saw somebody to buy a thousand dollar pants like he would you know like you know BMW we live you know we live in the hood it was in the hood but I learned I learned a lot about basically you know carrying yourself how to treat people because he was another one that

he had never gotten in trouble he had the daughter for a while you know that was not really anybody that didn't like him but you at the same time you have people around that are you know jealous yeah yeah that's a seems like a common theme yeah there's always just always and you never see them you know they're the ones that come see you they smile they joke with you yes yes so i was doing a lot of continuing to grow at some point his neighbor comes into this house and ties up his kids his his his his sister, and ducks tape them all, and robs them. Does he know it's his neighbor? He quickly, yeah, he quickly assumed and, and figured it out.

And then the fact that the guy, you know, was nowhere to be seen after, kind of cemented it, right? It's, it's, well, I mentioned this before where there was some criminal lawyer who has a bunch of examples. He's like, don't, don't rob anybody, you know. Yeah. He's like, because you think, oh, I covered my face. and they're not going to know who I am. And he gives the example of he had a client that used to go in every day and get like coffee in the morning before he went to work from like some 7-Eleven or whatever it was at a convenience store. And he knew the, he knew the clerk.

And he would go in and hey, what's up? Tom, how's it going? Hey, what's up, Bob? And they'd get his coffee. And then the guy ends up losing his job, whatever he gets desperate. And he decides, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to rob this fucking place. And so he goes in with puts on like a motorcycle helmet or something.

I forget what he did. But he covers his face and he comes in one day and he's like, or puts a ski mask on, whatever comes in one day and boom, give me all the fucking money and the thing. And he's like, oh, okay.

He's like, I'll fucking kill you. He's got a gun. And you're, oh, hold on. He opens this thing and he's pulling out the money. He's like talking the guy and he's yelling at him. He's like, oh, okay.

And he goes, John, why are you doing this? Yeah. Bob? No, he's like, Bob, is that you? And he's like, it's not me, Tom. You know what I'm saying? He's like, just give me the money. He's like, Bob, what do you doing?

What are you doing? You know what I'm saying? Like, he gives him the money and the guy leaves and then the cop show up. He's like, I'm telling him, this is the guy Bob. He comes in every walk in the morning, you know. Like you just, it's a bad idea that people recognize you from more than just. Yeah, your walk. Your walk.

Your head is movements, walk, everything, inflection, you know, more than just, even even if you're trying to disguise your voice and cover your face, you're going to know within about about 10 seconds. Hey, so what did you. So what did you want to talk about? Well, I want to tell you about Wagovi. Yep, Wagovi. What about it? On second thought, I might not be the right person to tell you.

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what are you doing? Mm-hmm. Rays, take the mask off. What are you doing? Yeah, it's, it is. I'm not giving you anything. The way the mind works. You're harmless. You're harmless. I know you're harmless. Is there any bullets in there? Yeah, exactly. Give me that. It's my gun. You know you're a felon. Yank the fucking revolver out of your hand.

Come on, man. It's a bullshit. Can you lend me the $300? Yeah. So after that, we had a couple of our own things where we would, you know, notice things like a vehicle that would pass. I was just like, well, what happened with the guy? Did he track this guy down? He just disappeared.

No, he had already moved and kind of hit him and knew. Yes, it was like that was his parting gift. Yes, his exit. his strategy, yes. So, and that's the thing, it's not like he, you know, it's not even that much to get in a way with it. I mean, at the time, you know, it was a couple pounds. At the time, the pounds were like, you know,

$400 a pound, you know what I mean? I'm talking about, you know, this is brick, dirt, seeds. This is before Hydro came in and the more expensive stuff. You know what's funny? I have a friend, Jesus. This is actually interesting. I had a, keep in mind, raised upper middle class, I'm going to college.

Like, I'm going to college. I got a one-bedroom apartment. I've got a girlfriend. I worked at, I worked at Gold's Gym, which was two blocks away from my apartment. I mean, I'm, I'm just a normal kid, right? Like, I'm going to school, like, you know, this is my summer job. I got student loans. I've got, but I'm doing okay.

I'm happy, right? Like I'm, you know, yeah, yeah, like my dad's, like, you know, giving me so much money, you know, he's paying for school, but I'm also getting student loans. And I'm also, you know, I've got all these things going. So I was like, and I'm working a fucking part-time job. Yeah. Actually, I think it was more like a probably closer to a full-time job during the summer. And I had a friend that I grew up with named Greg Sheldon.

Shelton or Sheldon? I don't know. But, and I'd grown up with him since I was 15, 16 years old. And he would come over every once in a while. And at one point, he was like, hey, he actually, he had a safe. Can I put my safe in your closet? I don't have any more. And it was like, we're talking about one of these safes that you bought at Home Depot.

I don't know if they still sell them. But basically it was like concrete. Yep. But it's got a thin layer. Like if you don't know anything, you think it's a secure safe. It's not a secure safe. The security of that safe is that it weighs 50 or 60 pounds. Yeah, you're not taking this with you.

And it was a basic, you know, did, do, do you know, either was that. It was either the code or maybe it was a dial, whatever. So he had this safe in. the closet and he and i think that was the scam like i think that was part of the scam was for him to get a copy of my key so he's like can i have a key to the house so that i have access to my safe what are you keeping the safe just money yeah like i'm just keeping money because i'm working a couple jobs and i was like oh okay you know i'm bro that you're a friend of mine we grew up together not thinking anything yeah i mean we're buddies you know do to do i'm just completely harmless right

I'm 22 years old, and I'm maybe 21. I'm maybe 21 or 22. I had to be about 22. And I'm just as green as I'll get on. Give him a copy to key. And he does this. So he's coming everyone. Everyone's why he'd come in.

He called me, hey, man, I went by your house. I had to put some money in. I, okay, okay. And then one day I'm at work. I get a phone call. Somebody says, hey, Matt, there's some chick on the phone for you. I'm like, oh, okay.

And so I go to pick up the phone, and as soon as I say, hey, this is Matt Cox. You know, how may I help you? Boom, the phone hangs up. I hear it and everything. Just like click. Checking where you are. This is in a cell phone. This is, there's no cell phones.

This is a 90, is this 91 or 92? Anyway, hang up the phone. And I don't think anything of it. Where are you at work? Is it? I'm at work. I'm at work. I'm two blocks away from my house.

maybe three this is on Dale there's you don't know the area but anyway there's like a four lane there's like two or three lanes

going one way two or three lanes go and there's a big like a highway between me and I'm over like two blocks but I could literally

walk to my house in five minutes making sure you're not home that's what they were doing I had no no clue I didn't put that together

I'm like huh that's weird you know so I hang up the phone I work the next four or five hours I go home that night

at whatever it is and I get home and I get home and the I have a I open my door like to my key works the door's not kicked open I walk inside it's so funny too because I walked inside I was inside for I forget how many minutes 20 minutes 10 20 minutes before I went in the bathroom for something and my cologne was you know you're you're 21 years old like I had like five or six bottles of cologne you know that's a big thing you're 20 you know that's important and I'm like my clothes gone and I turn around I walk out and I look in my I had a TV that this was back when you had like a TV console and behind it you used to be able to see the clock behind the glass

glass door I couldn't see the clock and I was like what I click it do you click it you click it you don't have any of this shit anymore you click it and I open it VCR is gone and I had like a I think I had like two VCRs, and I'm like, what the hell? They didn't take the TV, but the TV was huge. And then I was like, what the hell? And I walk in. And I want to say Greg Safe was still there. And then I was like, what the fuck?

And then I had, at the time, I want to say I had a concealed weapons permit. And I had several guns that are gone. I'm like 22, maybe. And I'm like, oh my God. so my guns are gone my club oh he also i had a jar full of change you know that was a big thing people don't even know what that is anymore a jar why would you have a jar how do you how do you get the change five 95 gallon thing exactly that was gone it wasn't that big so it was big enough you could take it so there's all these little things that were just oh the other thing too i had another vCR

that was gone because i actually had a tv mounted on the wall this was before mounts were a big this is a pretty heavy TV, too. This is no, there's no flat-slowny shelves. Yeah, exactly, exactly. With the VCR, the VCR's gone. They took the VCRs. I think they took the TV too, because it wasn't that big. Whatever it was, like snip, snip, snip, and took everything like multiple trips in and out. This was planned. And so then I immediately, I call the police. The police come. They come. This was back when the police would come. Like, now you could call and say, hey, I was robbed. They'd be like, okay, you can go online and fill out a report. Are you not going to send anybody else? No. No. Where you're going to get a report? We'll,

put it in a system, maybe something shows up. You get them email. It's funny, too, that that weapon, that, like, it was one of the weapons was, like, a 38. That weapon, probably five years later, after I graduated, maybe I graduated college, actually showed up. They found it in, like, a drug den raid. They found it, and they had the serial number, and they contacted me and said, hey, we found your gun. And I went and picked it up.

Wow. So this is what happened. They gave it back to you? No. Who, what? Oh, the cops gave it back to me. Yeah, I didn't have a felony or anything at that time. So what happens with Greg is that that happened and I never put it together.

I call Greg, I'm like, Greg, you're not going to fucking believe this. He's like, what? And I'm like, did you give that key to anybody? Because they didn't have a key to the door. And then he's like, no, I never gave that key to me. He's like, maybe it's somebody, I wonder if they switched the locks or something. Like, it was a whole thing. Matter of fact, the lock may not have been.

locked. Does that make sense? Like maybe it wasn't locked the bolt or something. Like for some reason he had an explanation that made it seem like plausible.

Plausible. Did you lock the door? Did you, yeah, no, I had to lock. I always locked the door. Like maybe, and I was on the second story, he's like,

yo, bro, maybe somebody climbed up on your balcony and got into the sliding glass door. You can just pick those up. And I'm like, fuck, maybe that's what they did. Right.

And I never occurred to me that he had stolen from me. So I would say a month or so later, Oh, he's watching the VCR. Yeah, he's crazy at the pawn shop getting my fucking selling my VCRs. So anyway, I remember a month or so later, a friend of ours named Fat Mike.

They still call him Fat Mike. He's not fat anymore, though. Name sticks. Yeah. Fat Mike told me that Greg had robbed like 15 people over the course of like two days, two or three days. and I was one of them. Did they all have safes in the closet?

Oh, and he stole my watch. And he was trying, fat Mike said, I know, and you were one of them. He said, I know, one, because you got robbed, and two, because he's got your watch. He's trying to sell your watch to me for like a hundred bucks or something. And to be honest, that watch probably wasn't worth a hundred bucks. And he clearly didn't. It was like a Seiko or something. So, and I was like, holy shit.

And, yeah, so, you know, I call them, well, here's the whole thing, too. in between that time Greg had come and gotten his safe while I was there he's like yeah bro this place isn't safe man I don't and pick took it Of course he never opened the safe So he took the safe He's like you know yeah I'm not saying that something's going on man

But I don't know I don't feel safe with my stuff here So he took his I'm like no I get it I totally I understand like I had to pay like a hundred and something dollars to get the locks changed like this guy fucked me Anyway He fucked he did that you know he did that And people are looking for him like everybody's now starting to realize he and of course he's denying it fuck you i didn't do nothing but he truth is

he did start to connect i mean and i mean people are like bro he got me for 10 grand i mean for five years luckily i'm in a college kid i don't have any money but he didn't take all the stuff that i thought was i liked and that a college kid was yeah he might have got a fight maybe he got sold everything and got a few hundred bucks anyway that's not the the the story is this is what he started he's basically was it his mo was to just rob people It makes an entrance. Yes, yes. Eventually what happens with Greg and most people that just keep Rob and everybody they know,

eventually he starts selling drugs. And he had, there was a buddy of his, Scott. I'm going to say Scott's young, Scott's last name. Anyway, Scott and him end up that Scott or Greg has a connect. You know, Greg has a connect in Miami. for powder. They go in on a key, half a key, something like that. They both put in like 10 grand or something, whatever.

They go down there, they come back, they meet at a shonies or a sunnies, whatever. They meet there for them to split it up. It's in Greg's. No. But before they do it, I think they transfer it into Scott's car. So Scott sees it. Put in Scott's car Then they go inside to have lunch

While they're inside Greg has his little brother Break into the car and steal it So when they come out the car's been Windows bashed out shit's gone Greg immediately turns to Scott What did you do

Who'd you have come here You're the one that suggested we come here You're the one that said Because we were going to get lunch I was starving here and he said I had a whole thing And it definitely looked like Scott's But Scott, of course, knows I didn't do nothing, bro. The only person that knew it was there was you.

So Scott knows, but even though everything looks like, you know, in Greg's mind, what are you going to do? Convinced Scott that he had something to do with something he knows he had nothing to do with? Regardless, so Scott's going around talking shit. Scott eventually comes to him and says, well, look, I still need product. Let's do this again. But this time I'm coming with you. Because I think something's up. He's like, yeah, bro, you can come with me.

He's going to, yeah, I'll bring the money, but I'm going to bring the money. bring my tin whatever you bring your tin yeah cool man let's do it and keep mind in between this time greg suddenly has plenty of product yep so he scott's if he was curious if he was questioning it before he's not questioning it now so scott's girlfriend rents a car scott comes to pick up gregg gregg leaves his girlfriend's house named amy goes down gets into the rental car with Scott, he leaves. Greg never comes back. These are kids in their 20s, by the way.

This may be the very well, this may be the most, the closest I came in my early 20s to knowing truly dangerous people that I had no clue. Like the robbery was one thing where I realized like, wow, you're a piece of garbage. But this is where I realized it was serious. So Greg gets in the car and leaves. he's he doesn't come home that night

they're supposed to drive that at like nine or ten o'clock at the morning they're supposed to drive to Miami and come back you can drive to Miami and come back drive there pick it up come back his he's living with his girlfriend his girlfriend's like he never comes home she's take you know this is pagers you know she's paging and paging and paging never comes back so she's freaking out she eventually she's calling sisters moms friends everybody

nobody what do you mean what do you mean what do you mean he was with Scotty left was Scott. I saw Scott pulled up in the car. She never saw Scott, though. She saw the rental car. He told Greg on the phone, I'm picking you up in this car. That car was rented by the girlfriend. She saw the car. Oh, you saw it was a car. So when the police show up, when they're now the moms are saying, hey, he's fucking disappeared. So the cops come. This is back when they would come. They came and they said, hey, how long was he missing for? Three, four days, five days. Okay. So they're calling now. This isn't a kid. These are still, these are all upper middle class kids. Yeah. You know. So, and they come. They, they take a report. Amy. So, well, who was it? Well, I know he was going with Scott. And I know he picked him up. Did you see him driving the car? Well, I didn't see him driving the car. Well, I didn't see him driving the car. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's.

restaurants fresh excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery for pull up and he had already told him it was you know whatever it was a gray whatever toyota whatever the car was he had told him what the car was i saw it pull up he told him i'll be there in 10 minutes he pulled up he got out that was him oh okay no big deal so nobody knows what's happened and they're all freaking out of course amy's calling scott scott saying i never i don't know what you're talking about i never picked him up but what are you talking about so the cops go they talked to scott scott scott says i don't i was home all day with my fucking my mom and dad you know doing yard work what do you talk about i never went to miami i don't know i don't do drugs i don't sell what are you talking about uh a week later

so it'd been 10 days roughly let's say two weeks to 10 days is there are people they call them a i think they call them snake charmers you know that is you're from new york you don't know no no no no no it's not left fluke okay these are guys that actually so there are people in flor there's a lot of wildlife in Florida they'll they'll catch snakes okay and then they can sell them right same thing with like there are people that are professional that that hunt pythons in the Everglades and they kill them and if the long bigger they are the more money they get like these are professions that are only in Florida so he there's a snake charmer out collecting snakes and looking for snakes and he's out in the woods in the middle of nowhere woods is 90% of Florida's woods so he's out

there looking and he comes across the guy that is tied to a tree that's been tortured to death he's had his fingers broken fingers we're talking about just horrific like we're talking about somebody took a hammer smashed his fucking feet somebody took pliers they're chopping off fingers breaking fingers i mean he's tortured and then he shot in the chest like five times bum bum bum bum somebody unloads you know he's been beaten just beaten just but they they realize oh and three or four days after this whole event had happened, they find that rental car that was registered to Scott's girlfriend on fire first day, a mile or two away from where the body's found a week after that.

So a week later, they find the body. So they realize it's Greg. And the consensus has always been and what the police believe. And I know what the, I know this because later in life, when I opened my mortgage company, Amy, which was. Greg's girlfriend was an account executive that used to come to my office. And so when I met her,

I was like, hey, what's going on? Hey, how are you? She's like, oh, my God. And she sat down. She had told me because every couple of years, the detectives come and see her to review the case. It's now a cold case.

And she's telling me, oh, they've always known that Scott. Everybody's always known Scott. Not only did they know Scott did it, Scott's gotten drunk multiple times and admitted to people that he did it. but you getting drunk at a bar and telling people

this is what you did or telling other things is not evidence people leave it or not and there really is and the cops are less like there's everything's circumstantial and it's

and his parents gave him an alibi you know at this point it's airtight and it's been 30 something years he's never been charged yeah oh and this is another amazing interesting thing

about that story is that after he disappears after, so a month or so after all of it happens, Amy's pregnant. She was pregnant the whole time and just realized she was pregnant. Had his baby. So this guy's baby that, you know, had a baby and was pregnant. And listen, unfortunately, and I hate to say this,

is that, you know, I want to feel like, hey, this guy's, you know, like I don't think he should have died, but he was a piece of shit. he was a piece of shit i don't i don't wish that he had died or anything like you know just a lot of guys be like it's on the tip of my tongue to say couldn't have happened to a nicer guy but i'm not gonna say that because nobody deserves to be tortured he didn't he didn't only die yeah yeah he he this was he wished he was dead before he was actually dead yeah he yeah exactly it was it was a horrific horrific thing but but it's the same thing he just kind of like when you just said the guy his his his his last like this is his exit strategy Greg's exit strategy was like

setting up everybody he knows getting access to their stuff and then within a day or two robbing everybody it's like wow bro and how much money did you get yeah that's total what'd you make 15 20 maybe you got some guys for their for actual cash maybe got somebody for a real but i was a kid i had no jewelry i had nothing worth anything that that was and ultimately that behavior catches up to you yeah become the one common denominator of everything yeah virtually somebody you and listen by the way scott The kid's Scott? It's funny because I always say his full name.

So for me to not say his last name right now, it's weird to say it's just Scott. Because he's actually got a pretty cool name. If you had talked to Scott, Scott's absolutely harmless. He was a nice kid. I'd known him. I remember riding around the neighborhood on our bicycles playing racquetball with him at night at the rec center. At the Templetary's rec center. you know we're right we're 13 years old

riding her bikes through the fucking through the middle class neighborhood playing playing and telling each other like hey I gotta be home by 10 my mom said I gotta be home by 10 it's almost okay well let's get we'll finish the game and then okay riding home I mean this kid's harmless

you don't fucking have any idea how dangerous people are what did you lose 10 grand worth a product yeah like my god and I don't even know if it was 10 might have been five i mean like the actual keeler the actual amount i don't know if it was he lost five grand or ten but at some point he entered this world that was extremely dangerous still

didn't have to be you wouldn't have thought he was dangerous but i noticed that sometimes it's the you know the adding up of this person getting you then that person rob you and then that's the last one culmination and that's it and then it's the last one where it's just like it's never going to stop i it needs to stop now he's going to be a an example. Right. My God. Listen, horrific. Like, think about all the people we've interviewed. I don't, even with like, you know, Derek, the guy is handcuffed and he's, you know,

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Watch his method by clicking on the link in the description box below or go to chuckdefense.com slash Matt. Yeah, well listen, Greg was a big guy. Greg was a big guy. So otherwise, if Greg wasn't a big guy after I realized he had robbed me I'd have gone and beat his ass but he was a big guy Greg's a big guy right there's not much chance like he knew yeah I saw him one time and I remember at the gym and I yelled at him and he yelled back and we're screaming to each other and I'm like you fucking thief piece of shit motherfucker we're yelling at each other and and I turn around to leave he's what you doing going to get your fucking gun I said you stole my fucking gone.

Trent was there, like all these guys are there, ball, like laughing. They're like, bro, when you turn around and said, when he said, what are you going to go get your gun? He said, when you said,

you stole my God. He's like, the funniest shit I ever seen. I didn't think it was funny at the time. I'm just going to get my car and leave because I can't beat, I know I can't beat your ass. You're five foot fucking 10,

511, 200 and fucking 30, 40 pounds. You're squatting 405 for reps of fucking 10. You're benching fucking 350. I'm not going to beat your ass. It's not going to go. my way. No, this is going to go bad for me. Now you robbed me and you beat my ass. Did they find, did they charge him? Did they charge him? They never charged Scott. Like,

I only know that. Charged. Well, you know, I don't think so. I don't think they ever charged him. They couldn't have because they didn't charge him 20 years later they said, because that was what I had talked to Amy. I don't think they, matter of fact, I know they didn't charge, talk to him because I talked to somebody who talks to Amy, and they said to this day, he has never been charged. But every few years, a detective calls and says, can we go over everything again? And it's a cold case. And she's like, yeah, absolutely. This is what happened.

And she's had that conversation where she said, you understand that he's told so-and-so this. And so-and-so, he's like, yep, we went and talked to him. He did say it. Everybody knows but you guys. Yes. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, we've got like two or three times. he's gone into a bar, got drunk with some, with buddies that knew Greg and said, yeah, I'm, I fucking killed him. I took him out in the fucking woods. I tied him up. I beat, beat him, broke his fingers. Bashed it. Took a fucking had a hammer, had this, had that. Everything torched him. He was begging, pleading. I couldn't let him go after that. And he admitted it. He admitted it, but it's gone. He's, you know, it's gone. I can't get the money. I can't get anything. But I knew it was him and I wanted to make sure it was him. And it was him. He said how he did it. His brother helped. Like a whole thing, laid it all out. And then I fucking shot him.

but it's not on recording like he's going to deny this later i don't know what he's talking about yeah and here say you can't get on the stand in the state you can't get on the stand and say that you know so if you'll get on the stand at all like it's he's actually sleeping well at night didn't really bother him much so no no yeah even if it was bothering and let's face it if you're smart you realize that it may be eating my conscience up but not but all you got to do is get enough as a life sentence yeah not as much as a 20 or 30 year sentence it is going to eat me like i'd be laying in bed after two years going yeah i could have i was better off my conscience i was better off dealing with my conscience than this bullshit yeah yeah

at least i did the right thing yeah but i had asked doing that you know but i had happened about it you know about the guy and everything and he was just like it's like it's like less about he's like you know what are what am i what are we going to do what am i going to live here he's like you know i mean what are what are we really going to do he's like it's not going to fix anything you know know what I mean he was like you know I mean he's like the odds are he's gone and he's not gonna come back you know right is a messed up is a bucked up yeah but did it stop anything what was he gonna do no track him down commit a home invasion tie him up whoever's there beat on him try and get what yeah nothing but your gosh your strategy is to commit home invasions steal

fucking money blow the money like you're nobody you're yeah absolutely right yeah nobody that's and then what happens then if what happens if in the middle of that that that gets stumbled on to and he gets charged for a home-in-made. No, no, officer, you don't understand. He committed a home-in-bated by me. He tied up my family. So then I did it to, it's okay. We're street guys.

The cops would be like, no, bro, you're getting 15 years. It's a mandatory minimum. And one thing I learned is they will do that. You know, you take some guy that did something to you, right? You do the exact same thing to him. He will call the police on you. He will call the police. I know.

I got a story for that. Another guy I know from Coleman, I'd love to come on the show and tell that story. He got ripped off And then he breaks into the guy's house Robs the guy When the cops get there He says I know exactly who it is You know he changed what he stole from him

From money to drugs I mean I'm sorry from drugs He stole it from drugs to money He broke in he stole $5,000 in cash He knew I had it And then of course the cops know it's drugs But either way it doesn't matter This guy had to go to trial

He went to trial on it And he won at trial luckily Because it was a state charge You can beat the state You can't beat the feds Yeah. So, but anyway, you were saying, so you talked to the guy, he just decided to let it go. Yeah.

So, one of a quick story on that topic. So I knew, I knew a kid that, a guy that used to do that, he would, you know, befriend people in the club and then, you know, find out what they get. And then, you know, after a club night, he would do, you know, home invasions on a way for them to do, you know, come. So he does a home invasion to this kid. And he, I think he gets him for, like, five, five keys. So nice, like. Yeah. Yeah.

So in the mix of, I guess, when the guy was. was tying him up or zip time. I guess he didn't tie the tie, he didn't tie it securely. The guy breaks loose, he calls a police. There's a lot of police in this area. So the guy says on the phone that he just saw his neighbor get kidnapped by somebody. And this is the car that they're in and they're pulling away, you know, and they're putting away. He's trying to force them in a trunk.

So he made it like a block away before they boxed him in. They brought him and they put him in possession of them five keys. He got like 18, 18 years for, yeah, for a home invasion, not going on his... That's hard to explain. Yeah. No, no, officer, you don't understand. I'm holding it for somebody. I mean, you know, like, no, I'm not a drug dealer.

I'm just, I just kicked in this guy's, I kicked in a drug dealer's door. So now you're admitting to a home invasion. Like, I'm not sure which one is worth. The five keys or the home invasion. And then if there was a gun involved, which probably was, I remember and then I remember him saying that the guy that called the police tried to try to come visit him like I guess I wanted to rub it in his face or you know but he's like you know this motherfucker try to come visit me you know you know he's saying hi ha ha you know like you know he got you yeah you can't blame him he's like yeah so he said he's like I never saw this being the way I got caught is when I said he's like I never saw this being why I got in trouble just too close he's like I never saw this being why I got in trouble just too close click short on the zip tie it's the it's the fly in the ointment that's whenever somebody says would you ever commit fraud no because it's the fly in the ointment that gets you caught a lot of

it doesn't matter how good you are there's some things you cannot account for and there's just in no way can I ever be standing in front of a judge again yeah yeah you'll be merciless offense or something else um throughout when I was living there I had I used to you know I to go take drives back to my area. I had a Honda Civic at the time, a little two-door. And the area that, you know, I originally raised, you know, my name was always being mentioned as, you know, something to do with, you know, either the bud or somebody, you know, it was always being mentioned. The usual suspects. Yeah. So, you know, I'm at a party one time. The cops are called. So we're in a backyard sitting on a couch. The cops come and they tell, you know, everybody get up.

You know what I mean? Like, get up, get up off the couch. I'm like, yeah, I'm not getting out. I'm sitting here. you know what I mean so I don't want to move you know so I end up moving they end up buying a bag of powder under the couch you know what I mean which wasn't mine like legitimately had no idea that was there didn't know anything about it um so they arrest me for it who's couch was having a party was outside the car we were all outside we were all outside at a partner not my car not my house not my lot of people here because I didn't because I didn't just get up because that gave them mouth is what they said right you know I was trying to protected or you know whatever so i end up getting charged with it i legitimately felt it wasn't mine

there's no way they can charge you with this there's no way you know so i i i chose to go to trial i took it you know i took it to trial oh wow yeah i took it to trial i had a choice of you know i was able to pick either a jury or or a judge you know to have the case so i end up picking the judge um had a public defender and the judge the officer ended up lying on the stand and the judge caught it. You know, in the police report, it said that I was, it was under a couch that I was sitting at, you know, while he was on a stand, he said he saw me put it under the couch cushion. So, you know, the judge mentioned it to him. You know, he's like, is there any reason why you would say that it was under there and you didn't see it happened that day? And he said, no, it was just,

you know, I might have been mistaken. And the judge was like, mistaken which day, that day or mistaken now? This is the judge saying this, not your, not your defense? nothing. This is something your, your public defender should be saying. Yes, yes. He wasn't saying nothing. I was, you know, I was like, he was basically saying, just let him, just let him go, let him work, you know. And so after, after they had that little word to word, my lawyer asked for a motion to dismiss, you know, and the judge denied it. Um, you know, they kept on with the case. I guess what really was, he wanted to see how much further it was going to go, you know, because he ended up finding me not guilty, you know, he ended up finding me not guilty. And I think

that started the level of harassment that went on every day after that, you know. I mean, I would get pulled over it. Every day for, you know, your taillight is out, you know. I would call my mom. Like, mom, they're pulling me over right now. There's nothing wrong, you know, come down, you know, come down here right down a block. As soon as she would start to pull up, they would hand you all my stuff back, jumping their cars and pull off.

You know what I mean? It was just a harassment, harassment. So back to the Honda. So I have a Honda Civic and that's, you know, I usually pull out the air vent. And, you know, it was a big area behind a dashboard. You know, didn't have airbags. So, you know, you had a long gap. So I would put things in there, you know.

I would run around and, you know, I would sell a lot of bud, different people. And sometimes, you know, sometimes it takes me longer to get to this guy. So they're no longer there. You know what I mean? So now I have more. I still have stuff left over, you know. Sometimes I would give to some money like here, just take that, pay me later for it because I have it. So I get pulled over.

I get pulled over in a neighborhood. And the cops, you know, anything in the car and everything. I'm like, no, you know, I'm saying, nothing in the car. He's like, you know, do you mind if I, you know, if I search it? And, you know, I'm like, you know, whatever, you know what I'm saying? Go ahead. From me, constantly taking out the air vent, you know, I guess it was a slight bend in it, you know, that wouldn't quite click in right anymore, you know.

So he noticed that. When he noticed it, he pulls it out, stick the flashlight in there, pulls out a quarter ounce, you know, pulls out a quarter ounce. He's like, you know, what's this? And I was like, I must be the former owners. He must have been a drug dealer. Thank God you found that officer.

Yeah. But the first thing that came to my don't have was, oh, I forgot that was there. You know, I forgot that was there. So it locks me up asking me about it, you know. So do you sell this? I'm like, no, you know, I smoke it, you know? He's like, yeah, but, you know,

do you buy enough that you know that you sell it to your friends that way you're smoking it for free right i'm like no good idea i hadn't thought about that no how you do it officer no no i just smoke it he's like you sure because you know i don't really care about that part you know i just want to know you know how how he just wants to be here for you we can get you help we're here to help you yeah i want to help you get out of this you know so i was said i said I said, no, you know, he's like, you smoke so much that you forget what's in the dashboard. Exactly. And I said, yeah, you know, I was like, I guess, you know, I was like, I'm not, I said, you're making this a lot more than, you know, what it is.

You know what I mean? Possessious. Yeah, that's, you know, so, so end up charged. I was offered a PTI, pre-trial intervention, so basically you don't get in trouble for a year. It gets erased. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I took it. I took it.

And no felony? No felony. No nothing. Everything, you know, perfect, good. So I am living with, Pete. Everything's going great, you know. You're living with what? Oh, with my friend, Pete, where I'm working the room from.

Everything's going good. I was starting to constantly, you know, get on my own, make, you know, my own money and everything. He is looking to move out and get another place, so I find a place for my own. A little apartment. I'm there for maybe a month, you know, everything, everything's going good. I mean, no complaints, like, you know, I have cars, you know what I'm saying, money, jury, everything's great. So I started going to, you know, strip clubs and, you know, and beating strippers because, you know, I wanted to go to a place where you need good people with good characters. Yeah, I was going to say, you're getting your priority, right?

Yeah. And, you know, very responsible and, you know, just overall good people. Yeah. So one of them comes to visit me one day, and we're there. and she said that she had to make a phone call. You know, she had to make a phone call. She's where at your house? My house, yeah.

So she had to make a phone call. So, mind you, we have cell phones, but didn't click in my head that she's going outside to make the phone call. You know, it just, you know, it didn't really register. I'm like, oh, you know, maybe she has a boyfriend and she doesn't, you know, maybe, you know, so whatever. Or a home of Asian team. Yeah, standing by. Yeah. Yeah.

So she comes back. again. Door was left unlocked. Two minutes later, I get two people in my house with a gun, hammer, and masks. Odd coincidence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We would mess around sometimes, you know, with each other, but nothing like, you know, nothing like that. So, you know, for a quick second, I thought, oh, maybe this could be, you know, and then I saw a hammer. I'm like, yeah, no, hammer. Like, you know, like, no, that's not a tool that I ever really see anybody. And so I stood up. Um, next thing I remember is like a flash of light, you know, Like when you get hit real hard, that's the best way I could, you know, put it.

So when I wake up, I'm guessing that I was hitting a face with a hammer. So I'm bleeding and duct taped on the floor. The guy with the hammer is rummaging around and everything. They're asking me, where's the money? Where's the money? Like, I don't, you know, I don't know any money. I don't know what you're talking about, you know. Where is she?

She's in the bathroom. They put in the bathroom. Like, she's supposed to be tied up in the bathroom? Or she's really just standing there letting them? Okay. Because when they were asking for the money, you know, I clicked on my head, you know. I was like, she knows where the money is. She yelled.

Suddenly they would break and they were going to the bathroom. You know what I'm saying? And I didn't hear any, any. So I was like, you know, they're having a conversation. They're hitting me a couple of times. Rummaging through the room, the guy that's on me, he starts stab me in a leg. You know, he stabbed me in a leg and I'm yelling. You know what I mean?

I'm yelling. What he stabbed you with? Like a knife? Yeah, he had a knife. Fuck. Yeah, stabs you right in the leg. You know, where's the money? And, you know, so I'm yelling.

He's like, you know, stop yelling. I'm like, you know, stop stabbing me. you know and i was like no there is no money you have the wrong house i don't know what you're talking about he puts a pillow on my head he puts a pillow on my head and he puts the gun on the pillow right and then it just clicked i have a chain on i have like 2 500 in my pocket you know take the chain take the 2500 dollars and get the hell out of my house you know what i mean because at that moment i was like you know when i when i when i saw the guy with the hammer i i knew that you know this this is going to be a bad day you know what i'm saying this this is

this is not going to go good. When you put the pillow on my head, I was like, you know, wow, this stuff really happens. It's going to be the worst day. Yeah, you know, that's what I, first thing I thought was like, this is not like, you know, it's like the movies. This stuff really happens, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I guess it wasn't like real until it was really, you know, like happened. And so it clicked on.

I had a California king, you know, mattress. So, you know, so I told him, I was like, you know, take the money, take the chain and get the hell out of my house. So while he was rummaging through my pockets, he ended up pulling my. my pants down over my feet. During a course of him hitting me and me moving, I had busted the duct tape on my feet. So my feet were free, but they couldn't see it because the pants were over. So I told him that I had a California King mattress. I knew it was going to take two of them to lift up the mattress. So I told him, I said, there's money under the mattress in the room. So he grabbed the other guy. They went to the room while they were looking for the mattress. I jumped up.

I popped up. I was running to the kitchen to get a knife. I wanted to try to get a knife. That was the first thing. But I couldn't break the tape on my hands. So when I couldn't break the tape with my hands, I was looking toward the door. I had a big glass window in the front.

I could see the reflection from them coming, you know, from where I am. I could see the reflection. So I saw them coming this way. So I just, I ran forward, tucked my head, and I jumped through the front. window. Are you the first two stories? No. Two stories. Yep. I cut the tendon in my finger that brings it back up. I can see the scars. There's a plate in there. My nose was like sideways and just, you know, bleeding from my leg from the thing and just, you know, lacerations all over the place. I don't remember

hitting the ground. I do know that when I came to, I was on my feet. My hands were untaped. I guess the impact broke the tape of it. Right. And I ran across. crossed the parking lot because I knew the neighbor across there. So I knocked on the door. This was his girlfriend and entered the door. So I called this. They called the police. You know, cops come.

Of course, he's mad, my friend, because I ran to his house to get help. Kind of got him. Like an asshole. Yeah. Because I, you know, because I ran to his house to get help. So the cops. Why, is he selling drugs or something? Yeah.

Oh, okay. So you're bringing heat on me. Fuck you, bro. Yeah. Meanwhile, you know, it's funny that everybody always thinks they're so huge, you know what I mean? You're a small-time drug deal. Don't worry about you, man.

Like, you know, stop it, you know. So the cops come, they call it cops. The people end up, you know, running out of the house. She leaves two. Craziest part is this that, um, I'm still, friends are like 20 years. Right. 20 years later, who's still from the girl? The stripper?

And when the cops show up, though, don't you say the fucking, this is a stripper was. fucking she set me up i think she set me yeah so the cops the cops come and i'm being taken off in the ambulance so they're you know that they bring me to the hospital so you know the cops um initially come before they're doing the surgery you know so they want you know they want to know do you know who did it you know everything i said you know i'm not i'm not sure i was like i don't know i'm in pain i'm under you know drugs the doctor tells them to come back you know come back again. So they come back, they come back, and they're, you know, asking questions.

I tell them, like, listen, it was two guys with masks and a gun, you know, like, what race? I was like, white. He said, well, we have witnesses that they were black. Like, whether or then they were black, you know, I'm pretty sure they got a better look at them than I did while being hit in a face with a hammer and, you know, well, on face down. You know what I'm saying? So he said, but you could make this easy or difficult. And I'm like, I'm like, what do you mean?

Like, I was robbed. I was beat up, you know, I was, I was, uh, do you want us to look for them or not? Are you knowingly giving them misinformation? No, no, I was honest. That was, I was 100%, you didn't know who it was. No, didn't know who it was. You didn't know if they were white or black? No, no.

I felt that they were white though, you know, from the tone of their voices. I called my buddy, one that was, you know, after that, I had the surgery on a hand. The process of them fixing the nose was worse than getting hit with the hammer, than getting stabbed was everything. They stuck a rod and just pushed it sideways, like just straightened it. Oh my God, that was worst pain ever. So I called my buddy. I told them, like, listen, they came, you know, they came back again.

I, you know, acted like I was all, you know, out of it. But I don't want to be here when they come back again, you know what I'm saying? He's like, so you want to leave? I was like, yeah. I was like, yeah. He's like, what the doctors say? I'm like nothing. I'm hooked up to an IV and a thing,

but the surgery's already done. You know what I mean? My nose is, you know, I'm black and blue, but, I mean, I don't think there's anything more they can do, you know? He was like, all right, so I'll be outside in 10 minutes. You know what I mean? So I go to look for my clothes,

but they had cut it off because, you know, they didn't know where I was bleeding from and everything. I pulled out the IV and went downstairs. He picked me up, you know, in my gown, and we drove off. Ass hanging out. That's the whole thing. That's it. nobody questioned the way

nobody questioned where I was going nothing nothing happens the healing process back to zero again you know what I mean lost you know money to the car people don't want to deal with you because you know not a copse involved they think you know you're hot

and you know all types of things but do you feel like maybe you keep starting over because the lifestyle you know I don't know I don't know I'm not an expert it took me it took me losing everything two more times before I realized that

you know There is just no up. You know, there's no, nothing good will ever come out of this. So I start again, you know, climbing my way back up. I go to watch the Super Bowl in New York with my cousin's friend. Now, and my cousin, his name is Chino. He's from Hawaii. He's, you know, he's half Puerto Rican, half Chinese, but raised in Hawaii.

Well, my father's uncle was in the military. And this is a cousin that he moved from Hawaii at his time. 17 to Harlem, you know, by himself with nothing, just figuring it out. I believe he got some trouble out there. So, you know, he becomes a bigger part in it, you know, later on. But so I'm driving back from watching the Super Bowl. I get pulled over in Fort Lee, New Jersey. The cop was on the shoulder.

He said I came a little close to him, you know, that I almost hit him. But, you know, and cops are almost hit me. It means you came a little, you know, you were slightly on the right side of the lane. So he pulls me over I'm gonna run to car He tells me I have a fugitive warrant Basically From the municipality

Where the incident happened Why do you have a warrant Exactly So I don't you know So I'm asking him like how do I have a warrant He's like you know Criminal warrant That's what it was not fugitive

Criminal warrant So I asked them He's like you know I don't know It doesn't say here Except possession You know Except possession

He's like do you remember You know I was like yeah I was robbed And I was beat up you know so i was like i have no idea so they they take me so the car jersey guys come they pick me up they bring me out there lock me up detectives come see me so again they start bringing up the story you know they were like you know so what what what what what's going on here i was like why

why was i or why am i being arrested you know and they're like well we'll get to that you know but but you know help answer these questions you know but do you remember today that you know that you were robbed. I said, yes. He's like, okay, can you describe the people? I say, yes, they were still white with ski mask. Same like I told you before. I said, I know you have, the witnesses told you they were black, you know, I was like, but I'm telling you what I remember, you know, what they remember. They had mask and guns. Can you tell me anything else? Nope, there was a girl there also, you know, I mean, I was like, if she wasn't beat up or assaulted, then, you know, I mean, I'm assuming that, you know, three people beat up and one not beat up, you know,

then maybe three against one. He's like, what did they want? I was like, you know, they were talking about money. He's like, did you give him money? He's like, yeah. I said, I don't know if you ever been in a situation, but I was trying to give them whatever the hell they wanted. You know what I mean?

I had a couple thousand in my pocket and my chain, and that's what I gave him. So then they start pulling out pictures and they gives me of duffel bags, black duffel bags, empty with like shake, with, you know, some stems, some seeds, like just you know crumbs like what you're saying is you think that they left their duffel bags

makes sense to me this i mean they did have i believe i recall them having double bags when they entered the house they must have left their duffel bags that would have been great that would have been great listen i would do a whole wrench in the whole is that what you're telling me officers well no we think these are your duffel bags my duffel bags i would never what is that stuff Is it cooking? Is it seasoning? Yeah, exactly. So I'm not a cook.

So he's like, you know, so what was in here? And I said, I don't know. I was like, but, you know, it might be a residue for marijuana. It's like, why do you think that? I'm like, because. They smelled of marijuana. You're just not fast enough. Bro, you got to be on it when these fuckers are quashing.

So I tell him, like, well, there's a guy that pays my rent, and he pays my car, and I hold on to his stuff for him, you know? So I don't really know what's there, but I know that, you know, he pays. So, like, what's his name? Colby. His name's Ronnie. He's like, Ronnie. Ronnie what? Like, I don't know.

You know, what's he look like? He's a black dude. Like Come on. Like, you're always a black guy. You're always like six to where does he live? I said,

I believe he's local. You know what does he drive? I think he drives a Lexus. I think he drives Alexis. He's like, how long you've been doing this? I said, what? He said,

I thought you're holding his stuff. What else is this you do? Running a stash? Yeah, how long you're admitting to running a stash house. Your situation's not getting any better. Yeah. So, so he goes, so he writes it down. And then he's like, he's like, so he's what?

About your height, you know? And I was like, yeah, a little bit, you know. He said, you know, I thought he said he was six, two. And I was like, how tall am I? I don't. So he, he scribbles it, and he puts the pen down, right? And he's like, no. He's like, you want to try again?

I was like. Well, which part didn't you believe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, let's start at the part where what you have in your duffel bag. I said, I don't know where those duffel bags came from, you know. He's like, I thought they were Ronnie's. I was like, you know they were Ronnie. You scribbled it out.

I was like, I need a lawyer. Let me just, you know, let me just take the lawyer. Yeah. He's like, all right, all right. Your lawyer will come visit you in the county. Like, I thought I was going to get bail. He said, you'll get bail from the county. So I was like, yeah, right. So end up charged. Mind you, this is like two years later. You know, I had already forgot about it and everything. Did you tell them that? So what are we doing here? I forgot about this. Everything's done and forgiven. Yeah, it was over. I ended up stumbling upon a lawyer that was over there. I believe at one point it was, you know, tickets, you know, accumulation of tickets, and then points. And so I would be constantly getting

driving on spending it. So the attorney I got from there, you know, he, I called him to represent me. I told him, I was like, you know, this is, this is a BS case. So he had the pictures of me from when I got assaulted and everything. I said, so can't we just, you know, beat it? Like, we don't know what the duff, you know, like, we don't know what the bags are and everything. He said, yeah, except for the fact that when you had a conversation with him, you acknowledge the bags. I was like, ah, I said, that's why you don't ever talk to them. Because what seems like nothing to you is the same thing that has an anchor down right now. I was like, man.

But it's a simple possession. It's not even a possession. It's like, you know, it was like regid. It was not even a weight to it. You know what I mean? I was given some other type of program where I ended up with, again, with no felony and everything. But they wanted me to leave their town. You know, that was, you know.

We'd like you to not reside. in Cook County anymore, or whatever. No, that was it. You know, we don't want to see you around here again. We don't want to hear around again, you know. You tell them I'm not fond of you guys either. That's fine. That's fine.

I figured it was blown for me over here, you know what I mean? After that happens, I had started focusing more on the white because, you know, as you get bigger with the green, it becomes harder to handle. You know, it weighs more. It smells. It's, you know, there's no such thing as airtight vacuum. I mean, everything comes out sometime, you know, plus the people that we were getting it from,

you know, we went out to visit them one time, and it was Jamaicans, and they, this was the first time I saw, like, money. The Jamaican would give us the pounds of the way. Went to his house when he had, like, Tupperware things, you know, full of money that were, you know, like stacked in his house. So we were, you know, we were like, you know, it looks like he's about to disappear. something, you know what I mean? So he had told my buddy that, you know, somebody else would be coming, you know, that you're introduced to them. But he goes up to see him one time and he's

nowhere to be found. Come to find out, his uncle killed him and just took over, took over the business. I'm like, wow, he was here for all these years. His uncle. Hostile takeover. Right? And that's the Jamaican hostile takeover. It's different than the wall. of the guard different than the wall street right the changing of the guard yeah so i was the i like it's better the jamaican changing of the guard that's what they call that you know the guy basically you know came to my buddy like it's it's nothing like it's normal business like you know everything you know same prices everything would everything would everything would be the same you know just you just contact me now it's like this added an extra element or an extra you know what I'm saying

And this, yeah, it's, my time to find a new avenue to secure the product. This is starting to have the violence of all the other truck ones. Yeah. You know, the weed's supposed to be a peaceful, easy one. You know what I mean? Like, you know, we're supposed to have that issue. You know, the powder was going a lot better. It was almost to the point that the bud just becoming a hassle, you know.

So when I was working at AmeriQuest, I was working at the one in Staten Island, right? I had stopped, I had, you know, stopped at the accident. During this time of me, so I think I got another offer to come work for another branch in Jersey. So there was a guy named Carlos, Spanish guy, very, you know, very, very nice guy. He, you know, he always saw the potential in us and, you know, and what we could do. He was, you know, he's like, listen, two things, though, you know, he said, I know at Moneywell, you were sleeping with the processor, you know, I know that you were. caught in the mix of, you know, having sexual activity in the hallways and, you know,

and on the desk. I know that Len called you in a conference call to tell you to not engage in that activity on his desks, he said. So he said, I know that in Staten Island, okay, you were sleeping with the Christina, the processor over there, okay? He said, so I'm going to need you to sign this that says you will not engage in any of that type of activity with the processors over at this branch. He said, do you think you can do that?

I said, yeah. I said, yeah, no problem. I've seen your processor. It's not going to be an issue at all. He says, and the other thing, he says, you know, the other thing you do outside, I'm not saying what it is. He said, just make sure it's outside and not inside, you know. I was like, you know, all right, I know, I know what you're talking about, you know.

And I would ask him, I'm like, I said, why do you think I do something, you know, on the outside? He says, because I see your car and you don't close that many loans. Right. So I was like, oh, okay, okay. So I start working there. Same thing. It was going good, but it got to the point that, you know, it was starting to cost me money by going to work. You know, I was losing more by going to work that I was making if I would have just took care of those things.

things instead of, you know, going to work. Again, the mortgage industry was starting to go down to, you know, all those bad loans and everything were starting to be identified. Argent was changing names and, you know, and all types of things going on. So I just, you know, kind of peacefully just, you know, bowed out of that and just, you know, continued with the only thing that has been continuous, you know, in my life to drugs. Right. So I quickly, you know, exceeded the person.

that I was getting from what they were able to supply. You know what I mean? So in turn, they hooked me up with their guy. Their guy that they were getting it from happened to be one of the guys that I had met when I was living with my buddy. You know, matter of fact, he was the blood relative of the guy whose house I ran into when I was, you know, after I was assaulted and everything. Right. So he, the area that we, that he was at was a predominantly black area, right? So we would, you know, we started being partners on everything, right?

So my buddy that I'm living with tells me, he's like, you know, listen, I have a guy in Queens, you know, that has, you know, that has weight, you know, and, you know, I can get them to, you know, put you guys on. At the time we're buying maybe, you know, maybe a quarter or half a key, you know, and splitting it, right? so the guy from Queens comes down and he starts coming down with you know halfs you know half keys half key he was giving such a price that quickly turned into keys got to the point with him very fast that we were purchasing more than he was able to have and his guy you know i guess didn't want to give it to him anymore on the arm so he tells us he's like you said you guys are running through what i got he's like you know he said but he told me he said but i don't want to hand you off i don't want to put you and him because for two things then you know then you're going to have to come get it and you know

i would like to be still making money you know for you guys he tells us you know he's like so what i want to do is get a hotel he said get a hotel that has a kitchen and everything you know he's like i'm going to show you something so you know like all right you know doesn't really understand it but again he's never done anything to have us you know question anything so i'm like cool so we get a hotel he comes down and he brings two bowls he brings wooden spoons he brings a blender and he a grinder and he brings a big metal frame you know i had had no idea and he brings a bag of of powder and another thing that looks like looks like shiny flakes right and then he brings the the keys so he's like i'm gonna show you i'm gonna show you i'm gonna

show you how to press compress you know what i mean at the time all we knew is we used to take the soft we would mix it and then we hammered into these pucks we would put it inside a press and would make pucks. The only problem is that the press, you had to hit with a sledgehammer, right? So I would be putting the work, making it, putting in the press, and going out into the parking lot where I live and hitting this with a sledgehammer, you know, in the parking lot, hoping that nobody, you know, look too much into it.

But, I mean, crazy system, but it worked. So he teaches us the whole thing about, you know, breaking it down, adding, making one into two, two and a four and a more. but you know you you mess with the purity you know as you go a lot of the area was you know cookers they would you know cook it and then once you start cutting it you lose so we end up me and my buddy end up you know getting two separate ways to do it you know he would take 250 out of his he would add 250 and then he would press it and then 250 left over I would add 250 to my whole thousand to end up with 1250 so that I would have a probably that was

stretch, but still would, you know, cook. That was more. So he, he would move his a lot faster just because of where he was. And I quickly realized that I needed access to his market. But again, because of my color, I would have automatically been either identified as the connect or out of the target instantly. So we made this agreement that everything would be funneled through him. I would take care of the purchasing it. it, the making it, and he would get rid of it, you know, and that was our system. That worked out great. But eventually, just like, the other thing, we, we were kind of surpassing what he could do also, you know. I have a cousin Chino. He lived in Queens for a while. He's one of the people that

he could sell anything. He meets, you know, he's constantly, you know, just. Hustler. Yeah. That's it. You know, I think he sells time shares now. You know what I mean? That's his, that's his thing. But he was always be a part of, you know, anything that we're doing or he would run into something and he would call me, you know, for example, I used to get funny money, you know. We called it G3 at the time. It was, it was counterfeit money. In Queens, we had, when getting it, we were going out there.

We would buy, you know, work. We would try to keep it in the area, you know. So one day we're going to attempt to rob the guy that we get the money from, you know. Of course. So he was supposed to bring us 50,000 of funny money. We were going to give him 20 of the real, right? So we go to, he's on, we go to meet him, he's on a bicycle. I think there's four of us in the car.

A bicycle. I mean, no, I'm sorry, motorcycle. Oh, okay. Yeah, motorcycle. It's been a super successful endeavor. So we pull up and he's there and he's not getting off the bike, you know what I mean? Like he has one foot up, but, you know, one foot down, but he's still on and things. So, you know, mind you, we had got from, like, three other times, you know what I mean?

So, you know, like, you know, like, what's going on? So the guy's in the front that's making a trajectory. He's like, you know, what's up? What are we doing here? You know, he's like, what's got? You know, what do you guys want? So he has his hand in his book bag, you know, and he hasn't taken his hand out, right? And the guy that I'm with has a gun below where the window is, you know what I mean?

So he can't see it. So he's like, yeah, come on, let's do this. Get out of here. We're just sitting, right? So when this guy goes to reach in his bag, the one that I went, pulls, you know, he pulls out on, you know, pulls out. He's like, oh, give me everything. He's like, give me everything.

So the dude's like, listen, let's just chill. He's like, I don't have nothing to give you. He's like, what you mean? Where's the 50? He says, it's probably at the same place with the 20 that you were supposed to bring. Right. You know, he's like, I was going to rob you. You were going to rob me.

He's like, I have a hand on a pistol in my bag. He said, that's it. He's like, you know, don't. Don't move. Don't move. Get out. You know what I'm saying? Look in the bag.

The guy on the bike was coming there to rob us, but we were going there to rob him. Everybody starts laughing. They go to Waffle House and have, and have, uh, and get some, and get some, some pancakes and just, you were going to, oh, you guys. For a second, it was an awkward, it was an awkward, like, you know. Like, I want to stay tough. Yeah.

I want to stay tough in this situation. to make it serious, but I also realize it's kind of funny. So, you know, a guy gets back in the car and he's looking, he's like, you know, he's like, oh, it's like a, no harm, no foul. Yeah, tell you. He's like, yeah, like, let's just, let's go.

Tell the guy, like, oh, we're good, no harm, no foul, we're done. Everything's done, you know, and he rides off and, you know, that was, that was it. And I was just like, you know, I think that's one of times that I realized, like, wow, look, everything almost went very bad for nothing at all so rather than taking the money and buying product because i'm like you

know what somebody's gonna identify it is fake and and blow our head off you know what i mean so i was like you know that's plus i didn't realize how crazy we'd look you know sometimes we'd go out to let's say meet a jamaican for a few pounds and we have a few people in a car over here going to buy you know and i'm like who takes this many people to go buy you know anything like you know this looks crazy but so we end up just getting a bunch and just blow up And so we would go to Sue's rendezvous and we would constantly run into, you know, people like one night we were in there with Tracy Morgan and we just, you know, having thrown money, you know, giving him money, giving him money that he's throwing it to, you know, and my cousin said, my cousin says, he's like, you know, if we get in trouble here with this funny money, Tracy Morgan's going to be pissed. Yeah. I was like, yeah, he's in trouble for people he don't even know and, you know, he was like, you know, he was like,

So it's going to hit the front page. Tracy Morgan's passing fucking counterfeit money. It's this trip called on dances. So we, you know, just we did that for a little while. And then, you know, from us going there so much, you would get, you know, you would get cool with the, you know, security and everything. And one day the security told us he was like, he's like, we're outside and we're getting ready to come in. And he tells us, he's like, look, whatever you're doing, you know, stop doing it. You know what I mean?

And we're like, you know, what are you talk about? They're like, they're going to look at your money when you come in this time. So if your money ain't right, change your plan. He said, you know, it was fun, but it's done, you know? Yeah, Secret Service has been asking questions, right? So we just, we took whatever we had. And I believe we went to Sin City, another strip club on the way, you know, like leave in New York because you couldn't just throw fake money out the window or just get rid of it.

I mean, probably should. It's worth at least some, some chances, yeah. So, but he was always, you know, he was always stumbling upon things, like, you know, things like that. So I think something happens in Queens. That was a direct result of something we were doing with the money. So my cousin is like, you know, I got to get out of here, you know. So he ends up backing up and dip into Vegas. And, you know, being who he is and, you know, Vegas, what Vegas is, it's like, you know,

it's harder to find somebody in Vegas that does legitimate. things than it is to find illegitimate people, whether it's money, girl, anything, there's somebody that does something not so straight regarding that legitimate business, you know, and he would just you know, if he would run

trip, if he fell, the person that picked him up was a connect from Mexico. Like, you know what I mean? Like crazy things would happen. So I started telling my buddy, I'm like, we got to find something else because this, you know, he's just not working for us anymore. Plus, we didn't like the trip to New York. You know what I mean? I was always scared of that bridge. You know what I mean?

about a job like i was just gonna go out of here i mean and was there ever a conversation we said what about hear me out what about a job a regular job that's crazy i love that there's a tic talk with these two guys or two black guys are talking like listen i'm gonna get a job at the bank okay, okay, I'm gonna work at the bank until they give me, they make me a manager of the bank, okay, okay. Then I'm gonna work there until eventually I retire and they're gonna give me a pension and I'm gonna get social security. Okay, okay, wait a second, that sounds like a job, like that's how I'm scamming the bank. I'm going to do what they tell me to do for 20 years.

Like, Doug, go ahead. Yeah, yeah. I think it was a Saturday night, fuck, a Saturday live. I think that was a Saturday night live skit or something. Once things started moving, I don't think that ever really crossed my mind. I think the closest, the closest that crossed my mind was I got involved in the bail bonds industry. Okay.

I had gotten arrested. And the person that got me out after talking to him, you know, and that's the other thing. You know, when you're making money, everybody has an opportunity or something for you to throw money at, you know what I mean? So the guy allowed me to buy into the bail bond industry, you know, bail bond. Is this at the same time?

Sure, bail bonds, right? Yeah, this is throughout this whole. Oh, hey, that's good. That was a great segue. Go ahead. So I had, when I bought into it for the purpose of being able to get me and whatever guys out quick, you know, quick, I figured the longer somebody sits in there,

the more they're likely to cooperate if we could get people out fast, you know, I'll be ahead of, you know, the situation. That quickly went south because people requiring bail are not the most reliable, you know, the most honest

or giving shit, actually. You know, so I would have guys that I knew personally, knew friends, that I would post bail for them and they wouldn't show up for court because their home plan Madden. So I have the guys at the place call me up, like, you know, like, listen, Johnny didn't

show up for court, you know? I'm like, when? It's like, yesterday, today, you know, pick one, like, you know. So I'm like, he's like, so we need to bring them in. So, you know, mind you, I have kind of conversation with these people. I listen, don't make me, you know, don't make you look like a bad guy. Yeah. Because if you don't show up for court, you know, I'm going to come, I'm going to come get you. I'm going to come to get you, you know. So, you know, I ended up taking classes where I was a future of recovery agent, you know, saying through, you know, through them. So it became about four or five people that, you know, they would tell me, like, you know, he's missed court. And I'm like, you know, I'm here with him right now.

He's sitting here playing video games, you know. And they, you know, like, what do you want to do? Like, come get them. What are you mean? I'll open the door. Yeah. Like, you know, and so I would tell him, like, yo, John, a matter of fact, this guy was one particular. Jay, Johnny, there, you're supposed to go to court.

Yeah, yeah, but they said they're going to reschedule it. Who said? Yeah. The lawyer, I said, you don't have a lawyer, bro. You know, I mean, the bail bonds. I'm like, all right. So I said, well, listen, the bail bonds are that told you that you're going to be outside in 10 minutes to talk to you. You know what I mean?

What do you mean? I'm like, boy, you didn't skip from debt. You didn't want to go to court. Your bond was revoked. And now they're coming to get you. And I'm not going to post your bond again. So, you know, oh, that's messed up that you. No.

It's messed up that you think this is a game and don't care about how it makes me. Like, this is a legitimate thing. And you, you, you're messing it up over what? Over Madden? Like, because you wanted to play video games? Yeah. You would have gone to court. You would have pled not guilty or guilty or whatever.

They would have given time to either turn yourself in or you got to go do your probation. Like this is not a deal. And these are all like minimal things that these auto guys are on bail for. Nobody's on bail for something that I know that they, you know, that requires a fleeing or, you know, or. Yeah. Nobody's getting 10 years. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like nobody's going on a run. So, but still they couldn't, you know. And so that end up leaving a bad taste where, you know, it was no longer so easy to just go get people out. But I did meet a lot of good people in that, you know, in that drug world through the bail bonds, you know. Because, you know, when you're going to bail somebody out, you quickly see, you know, what they have. You know what I mean? Or a rap sheet. Yeah, you know, the level of what they are, you know.

So it's real easy to make relationships when you have, you know, a little bit of. bit more information. So me and my buddy have a conversation, but we need to, you know, take it to another, you know, basically take it to another level, you know. So I call my cousin and I would tell my cousin what I need, what I'm looking for, and he'll find it and make it happen, you know. So he's out in Vegas, so, you know, I think it's about a week where he calls him up, he's like, yo, I got a guy out here, he has access to them. We got to figure out how to get him back. I'm like, you know, whatever, that's fine. You live out there, so even if we have trouble, it's not a rush. So I believe we were in a lot. So I believe we were in the

out there with 40,000, 20,000 each. So we go out there. The guy that he knows is the friend of another friend. So we rent the Mercedes, like S-500 at the time. And me and him fly out there. We would have to do it. We give the guy the money. He's supposed to get it. What do you think this responsible, honest individual does when we give him the 40,000? He gambled it away? Doesn't come back. I think I think we gave about six hours. So after six hours, we're like, you know, like, you know, what's going on? Not answering the phone, nothing. So the person that's, the friend tells us, you know, where he's from and everything.

So now you have my cousin, you have me and my other buddy from out here, and we're riding around North Las Vegas looking for this guy. We're pulling up on street corners, you know, we're asking them, do you know this guy? Do you know him, you know, and we're doing this for a few hours? That was nighttime, you know. And we've been at this for a few hours, like, just trying to hunt this guy down. So eventually we're at a gas station and a car pulls up on us. And the guy is like, you guys looking for Troy?

And he was like, yeah, yeah. He's like, well, that's my one's talk to you. Come see him. So we end up following him and they take us to this guy, they call Unk, which is like, you know, uncle. But he's like, you know, the person around, you know, they, you know. Probably not a blood uncle. No. So he ends up telling us, he's like, listen, I'll get it back for you, all right?

He said, but I want you to bring your business to me for now on when you come. So, like, whatever, you know what I'm saying? Just, you know, get us our stuff back. He's like, yeah. So within a few hours, we had, we had. They're 40 grand? We had the stuff. Oh, the stuff.

But it wasn't, it was stuff, but it wasn't the stuff we were supposed to get. It wasn't the quality. No, during that time, they took time to hit it, you know what I'm saying, re-rock, you know, whatever, you know. But it wasn't a loss, so, you know. It wasn't a $40,000 loss. Yeah, it wasn't a $40,000 loss. You know, I skipped over a part with my buddy.

When I had gotten the home invasion, right, after that period, it was still selling a bud, right, when I started climbing back. My buddy had a family that lived in West Virginia. Yeah. And, you know, West Virginia was like a hick, I don't say, you know, a trailer type train. Yeah, no, I know, West Virginia is. So everything was more, everything went for more money. Everything was more expensive.

So they bring powder out there and they were like, you know, there's, you know, this, you could sell weed all day for a ridiculous price, you know. So I was like, you know, I had just gotten messed up with the police and, you know, burned all down there. I'm like, you know, why not? Let's take our show on a road. Why not? So I end up bringing like eight pounds.

and we drive down. Drive down, we're, you know, selling it doing our thing. We're, you know, being entertained by their, you know, their women. And, you know, the locals don't really, you know, aren't fond of us. So, again, I'm the only light skin one out of all these people. So, you know, I'm sticking out everywhere, you know what I mean? So now we're out there making, you know, making some money. We pull up at a convenience store and we're getting something to eat.

I'm sitting in the driver's seat. A van pulls up, a slide door opens up, and a shotgun. You know what I'm just, I'm stuck because I don't know if anybody ever heard it, but, you know, that shotgun clicking is an intimidating sound. Right. That, you know, so, you know, I'm stuck. And so he tells me, he's like, listen, take this as a warning that, you know, you're no longer, you're out welcome, you're welcome.

you know, basically, you know, you're out walking, you're welcome, and not looking to have a conversation with you again, you know. And I was like, you know, all right, like, you know, I'm good, like, everybody, no problem. So one of the guys that were in the store sees it, you know, of course he stays his ass inside the store. The other guy that was in the back just sits there.

It's funny because they come out, the guy that was in the store, one of my buddies, watching, pretends like he didn't see nothing. So he gets in a car, doesn't bring it up, doesn't say anything, just, you know, but he saw nothing, you know, so we're driving, and the guy in the back is like, you know, so we're just going to pretend like that didn't happen, you know, like, you know, we're not going to say it, and then him in the front, it's like, you know, what happened? Like the guy with the shotgun that you watch from the door, because I saw you looking,

I saw you, and he's like, no, I didn't even see, you know, so what happened? I said, he said that it's time for us to go. I guess this is his area, his people, but, you know, we're no longer welcome, you know what I'm saying? So we're there with a bunch of people, you know, and there's a, at the, you know, like actually doing the work out there. So we go back to the house and, you know, we're telling the guy what happened and, you know, they start, you know, running off, y'all. Nobody running us out of here, you know, and I'm quietly packing. You know, I'm putting my stuff in the bag, getting my bag ready, you know, so, you know, and they asked me, like, yeah, what are you doing? I'm like, what do you mean?

What am I doing, bro? I'm leaving. Like, you know, clear, you know, it's clear we're not welcome. You know, there's all let you run off. I said, look, check this out, right? You see how there's five of you, right? And I'm the only light-skinned person here, right? Everywhere we go, you know how easy it is to identify me?

That what are you saying? I'm like, what I'm saying is that I will be a lot easier to touch that anybody else because I stand out from everything. I said, not only that, this is this area. You know, I'm not, you know, the money's not, the money's not, it's not that much money. You know what I mean? I'm not. So I'm leaving, you guys, you know, whoever wants to come back, you could take a ride with me, you know, but, but I'm gone, you know what I mean?

When you leave it? I'm leaving, I'm leaving, as soon as I'm done packing my stuff, you know what I'm saying, that, that's it. You know, it's like, what about the bud? I think there was still like five pounds, you know? I can keep that shit, but you can keep it because I'm not going to drive back with it. I left that situation. My buddy ended up staying out there, you know, he ends up meeting. heavy-set white girl, you know, who's just happy to have a guy from North, you know,

call up that around, you know, so give him everything you want, he gets a BMW X-5 and everything. And, you know, this is like a few months out where, I guess the guys that warned us, you know, started to actually make good on their warning, you know, but they didn't make good the way they said. What they did was they started calling the cops. right they end up calling a car locked up two of the guys we end up being two blocks away from a federal building over there we had no idea that the feds down a block could have literally threw a rock you know at them and he ends up finally coming back you know leaves the the car leaves the everything and that's when we start looking at the idea of you know need to expand

on the other thing because up until you know expand on access to it because we're just neighborhood You know, neighborhood basically people at, you know, at this point, you know. Neighborhood dealers. That's it. Yeah, you know, yeah, we, you know, a lot of it, but it's still, it's not really reaching anywhere outside. Right. So go to Vegas to get the work. So you get it back here, you know, kind of find out it's not that great, but we end up selling it, making a couple dollars, not taking a loss.

We're like, you know what, we're going to try it again. So now this time, we separated the parts. So I was responsible for me to secure it, secure the product, get it. His job was to secure transportation, you know, so he knew people that were involved in trucking and things like that. So, you know, it was on him to figure that out, right? So we go out there. I successfully, you know, I get it. Now the driver and everything comes down, his part, his job is to interact with the driver.

And the guy he knew from out here that knew the driver. So I end up flying back because I had something to do. His job was to stay there, secure all that. They take care of all that. So I land, and I give my cousin a call and ask him, like, you know, what's up with, what's up with Che? He's like, what do you mean? He's like, Shea left. What do you mean he left?

He's like, he left. Like, where's the driver? Driver's right here. He's like, he's diabetic. He needs an insulin shot. I don't know if this guy's going to die. I don't see how he's going to make it. I'm like, what?

I'm like, you know, who is the guy? He's like, I don't know none about him. He's like, I don't know none about him. He's, you know, an old Spanish dude. So I'm like, I don't know. What did this guy leave for? You know, so he said he knows what to do and everything, you know. He was driving from Vegas back down.

Right. So whatever, my cousin gives him whatever he needs for his insulin and his sugar to help him take off. So then my buddy comes back and I asked him like, yeah, wait a little, like, what happened? You know what I mean? They said, ah, I didn't want to be out there. Like, you didn't want to be out there. This was your job. Like, you know, I'm like, listen, get me the guy's information.

You know what I mean? out what information i'm like give me what kind of vehicle was you driving no i don't know for i'm like give me the plate number i didn't take the plate number i'm like give me the guy's address i don't know his address like you don't know his address like you didn't see his license you didn't see it's like no like what do you what do you mean you don't know nothing about this guy you just gave him everything we had and and said you know hope you do the right thing what happened No, I don't know, this is, you know, this is this guy, what happens? Oh, driver never makes it back.

Never makes it back. Again, that was everything. Right. That was everything. So, you know, me and my, being optimistic, I'm like, you know, mine, it's been like a week and a half. I'm like, I'm giving him a few more days. Maybe he had car trouble.

Maybe, you know, maybe his diabetes act up. He needed to go to the hospital. So, like, you know, who knows? Maybe, you know, maybe it's not what I know it is. So nothing. Nope, never makes it back. So at the time, I had just met this girl, and she was, she got pregnant. This is what I said to be my son's mother.

So we had just moved into a new place. We were scheduled to go on a vacation. Well, I was going on vacation to Miami. Another one of my friends wanted to take all of us to Miami. So he took, I was about five, six, six. of us. And took us all to Miami. You know, we rented great time, rented scooters. And, you know, we had a limo for like three days, just, just, you know, partying and everything. And that was this girl that we were chasing around on a scooter for like, like three days, you know,

like she was just bad. Oh, my God. But she would ignore us, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know it's not playing, nothing. So we ended up going to this strip club that was right over the bridge for Miami. And I knew it was ghetto because it had a dollar admission. The admission was a dollar What do you know Look at the girl We've been chasing for weeks Spending all this money

Rent to scoers chase her down She's in a strip club Where the admission is a dollar You know what I'm saying We had Ran into somebody That was from where we lived So he was on the run

With like 200,000 in cash He had Mercedes CL 500 So he had like 200,000 In cash And he was just Parting it up Until they came and got him That's just what he was doing

You know what I mean? So he's out there And, you know, so for a minute We had forgot that, you know, we had basically just lost everything You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, party and everything, he basically, you know, was taking care of it. And so get back and, you know, reality sets in.

She's pregnant and, you know, what are we going to do? My buddy's coming up with no type of help, no, no answers, no way to resolve it. But I had a, at the time, I had a Brightling watch And I had a couple of cars. I had like a 300, 10 turbo, very low miles. I had a Chevy Impala SS that I had all done up. So my first thing was I sell the watch, sell the cars, and take a trip right back.

Sold the cars, sold the watch. I think I got, I want to say, maybe 20, 20 altogether. So I flew back out there. My cousin and, you know, the guy that connected us with the other guy. His name is Fresh. He connected us with the guy that ran off. he was actually the contact but I guess he was letting us through a drive

you know with this guy to see how it went so he was like listen I'll give it to you I believe the price was 16 16 he's like I know that you lost took a loss on the other one first time you went through a bunch of bullshit so I'm gonna throw you on and we'll see what happens he said the only thing is it's on you

you got you know figure out your way to get it back you know what I mean you know you gotta do that my cousin went to New York to visit family On his way back to Vegas, he had seen somebody that he knew, and he saw that the guy had went right through security. He said he flashed a badge, and they brought him right through a security checkpoint. He said he met up with him again in Vegas, and he tells him, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, what's up? What's going on?

He's like, oh, I saw you at the airport. You know, he's like, yeah, yeah, no, I was going to, you know, see whatever. He's like, look, the hell with all that. He's like, what did you flash them? You know what I mean? What did you flash them that they just passed you right through? He was like, I flashed them the badge. that I work at, you know, it does something with the, I don't know, to the security or something,

but, you know, he's like, yeah, they don't search me. I just, I just go right through. So, so my cousin's like, so you can bring anything you want through? And he's like, yeah, yeah, pretty much. So my cousin lets me know, he's like, you know, listen, I got an idea. I got this friend, you know, that he has not searched. What if we give him the keys? And then he gives it back to us in a bathroom at the airport and then we take it on a plane. That's great. That sounds wonderful. I'm like, is hypothetical?

Do you know, like, you know a guy? He's like, no, I know, I know, I know a guy. I was like, you think he'll do it? He's like, I already asked him. He said, you know, do it for $2,000. I was like, there we go, bro. That's, you know, let's do it. So I was like, so you're going to do it with me, right?

You know what I mean? I'll take one key, you take one key. And, you know, we do it. It's like, yeah, yeah, we'll come with you. So we end up buying him, give it to him. This is the smoothest that it's ever gone. You know, he brings it into the airport, going to the bathroom. He hands it to us in the bathroom.

We hand him the money. He leaves. We take it on his carry-on luggage. Landed in LaGuard JFCK, landed JFK, and everything's fine. You know, everything's fine. Matter of fact, no, we land in Newark. When it's time to get off the flight, you know, all the fear. kicks in, you know what I mean?

None of us want to grab the bag from the compartment. You know, you're like, you know, you grab it. No, no, no, you know, you grab it. Like, listen, nobody knows that we have this, you know what I mean? So end up taking it off, made it out, made it home, great. Open it up. So now we're unraveling. You know, when they wrap it, there's plastic sulfate, there's soap, there's oil, there's

all types of stuff. One of the keys had sprung a hole in a plastic. it's soaked with motor oil. So now one of the whole birds has is soak with motor oil. Can't do anything, but cook the whole thing. You know, cook it. It's still going to have a, you know, motor oil smell, but it'll still smoke, you know. Yeah.

So end up, you know, end up trying to become a chef, you know, mixing it, adding vanilla extract. You know, trying to, you know, trying to just get the smell gone and it was just nothing, you know, nothing at all. Again, this, you know, this was probably a sign that, you know, it's just not quite going, yeah, you know, but, you know, you. You never call a guy and say you gave me some shit that has a fucking hole in it. I'm not fucking paying you for this. No, no, never even crossed our mind. Actually, we did call him. He was just like, ah, that sucks.

I think that was a response. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, in his defense, he would. and no, you know, it comes from, it comes across the border. They get it, they chop it up. He don't, you know, he doesn't know. And so end up making it work. From there, we were off to races, you know.

So from the price, you know, from when I was down here buying it, getting from the Connecting New York, you were making about $2,000, $2,500 a week, you know, which, I mean, it was good, you know, paid all the bills, you know what I'm saying? Nothing, nothing, nothing crazy. But when we started doing a Vegas thing, I was getting out. at a price of, I had a $10 point margin from purchase to what it's selling over here. You know, so we went from the $2,500 to $18,000 to $20,000 a week, and I'm saying profit, just by the two bricks and seeing maybe four people.

So, you know, that was always my thing. My thing was to have the least amount of time that I'm holding it and the least amount of people involved, you know. So did that. And that went on great for years, like clockwork. I mean, you know, strippers became my delivery system. So I would go to strip club. I would meet a stripper.

I would pay her rent. And for paying her rent, she would allow me to send a package to her house. So I would send packages all over the place. You know, you have the Postal Service and you have the FedEx, right? Postal Service delivers to people and address. FedEx delivers to addresses. So they don't keep really a record of the people living at the address. It doesn't matter.

So what I would do is I had about six places and, you know, it would be one a week. One of them, you know, so the same one didn't go to the same address a month, you know. When the package was come, I would call FedEx. I would say to them, listen, a package is delivered at my house. I wasn't expecting anything. Throughout the course of the day, I'll be returning it. You know, so I figured, you know, that's a recorded call. Right.

If by chance I get hit with the package. I already tried, you know, I was going to return it. You know what I mean? They could never get me with the contents. Never had to really go that far because nothing ever got hit. We had a couple of hiccups like, you know, the person would have their mother, like a girl would have her mother at the house. And a package would be delivered and the title with the label would say Jessica. And the woman would be like, there's no Jessica here.

And they take it. So now I'm running through the street, chasing down a phone. FedEx truck, that hopefully the one that delivered, but then I don't have an ID that matches the address, so it costs me a couple hundred bucks to get my package off, you know. But in turn, never lost anything. Not of that, anyway. Everything was going great with that. Money, you know, hand over fist.

You know, again, say how could we, you know, get more? Because, you know, 80,000 a month was just, it just wasn't enough for your 20s, you know. There were still things I wanted. more rims and you know so we put together that we were going to have the stuff tracked the trailer there were you know how much could you move I'm like you know basically I'm I'm I'm limited to whatever you can give me especially at these numbers you know what I mean so this is you know my buddy was Mexican-American you know what I mean so he was raised over here and he had families that was

connected so the I believe it was the first time they come down first time they come down you know again trial and error but he was about the same age so we're learning as we go with this sure he did it but jar is sent down first hiccup comes he is so post to meet us at exit six on turnpike um in jersey he phone calls that he's at exit six in the pennsylvania so and he wants the shit gone he wants it out so We have to get in the car and ride out there. So now we're in a rent-the-carat. I have a guy with a North Carolina license

and another guy with a Las Vegas license and I rent-the-car with Arizona plates driving at one in the morning to hunt for a probably undocumented, unlicensed driver of a tractor trailer. So we end up finding him. 2 o'clock in the morning, he's running around the rest stop with a duffel bag on with 40 keys in it, running around,

just, you know, trying to get rid of it. So we pull up and tell him, like, I tell my buddy, I'm like, you know, he's right there. I'm like, yo, pull off, pull off, pull off. You know, he's going to run up to the car, give him the bag, like, pull off. Like, pull off. What the hell is he doing? So he ended up going in. We, you know, I ended up getting to put it down in the bathroom. And then, you know, now he wants his money.

You know, he wants some money for bringing it. Like, you know, they don't have shit to do with us, you know. But you talk to somebody, whoever, you know, we're leaving, you know. So we go to leave. Somebody was with, he was like, listen, I'll drive. I'm like, listen, it's 2 o'clock in the morning. None of us are going to drive. We're going to get a hotel room.

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And we're going to go to the flow of traffic in the morning. You know what I'm saying? He's saying, you know, that's a good idea. Like, it should have been the only idea. Like, you know, you were really going to wing this? Like, you know, just, let's see. So everything, you know, everything goes, everything goes good. That becomes like a, we'd say that quarterly thing, you know.

So let's say it would be 40. I had two friends that would take majority of it. But, you know, it would, it would move. I mean, the first time we got rid of 40 keys in like two and a half days, you know, it was just, it was great. No real issues or hiccups when it comes to legal, you know. with with anything um my biggest problem that was my was the my license situation you know um i was constantly having my license suspended and you know that would throw a dent in it because i would be constantly responsible for these guys work i'll tell you we'll fall into it um later but

so i would constantly have to you know have rely on people or have people get me rentals or put cars in people's names and, you know, and because I never really went through my son's mother, you know, close to it, because I know if things went bad, she was going to be the first one that they were going to go at. And, you know, she's the mother of my kid. She's going to make her choose between this, my son, you know, so I always figured, but she can't, you know, she has no knowledge, knowledge or no hands on, you know, like, you'll never say that you saw her do this or you saw her do that. Everything's been going great. We have another friend of mine that, you know, he's from North Carolina.

He is connected also with, you know, have some Mexicans and he's like, you know, you're ready to have one of the trucks come your way? And I'm like, yeah, sure. We have a load that comes. And it's carrying a thousand pounds of watermelon. Thousand pounds. Maybe a thousand watermelons.

A thousand watermelons. But again, you know, their system is that they just find an avenue that works and they just send, send, send. They don't worry about really floating off. They don't worry about any of that. If it can get, you know, to that area, that's all they care about. So, you know, they give us a call. The truck is, you know, the truck is 10 minutes.

The truck is 10 minutes away. But it has 1,000 watermelons on it. You know what I'm saying? We need the watermelons to go somewhere. Like, what are you going to sell the water balance? I'm going to end up at 1,000. I got, what do I do with the watermelons? Just throw them on the side of the road?

That's it. I'm like, what do you mean? You want us to show it with three pickup trucks? Yeah. So I'm like, what do you mean? You're like, well, the trailer has to get dropped, you know. I'm like, so I said, but what does that do with me, you know? He's like, it's yours.

You know, the watermelons are yours. It's like, the watermelons are mine. He said, yeah, the watermelons come with the work. The watermelons are yours. So I'm like, all right. So, I mean, can't argue with this fact that it is what it is. The truck's here. So I call my son's, my son's mother's father.

And I tell him, you know, he worked for a TV appliance company. He was their driver for delivery. So I told him, I said, listen, I have a trailer that needs to sit somewhere for a little while. You know, just sit there. Nothing's going to happen. I just need a secure area to sit where nobody will come and bother it or inspect it or look for anything about it, you know. Because the work was in the tractor. It was, you know, it was in the front part of the trailer.

It wasn't, it wasn't, it was in the actual rig. It wasn't in the trailer. So, we ended up parking, you know, dumping a trail over there, where they were supposed to unload. at the garage, the truck didn't fit into the bay. It didn't fit into the bay where they were supposed to unload it. Again, you know, these are probably things that maybe ahead of time, you would, you know, but no, not them, not them. So, the only option I had was to take the truck to my house and bring it into my backyard.

So now I bring a tractor into my backyard and have to take the bottom part. You know, they're doing all the time to sit to unload another. I think it was 65, 65 keys in my house. So now I have a tractor in my backyard. I have two Mexican nationals, all right? One of them is coming with the load. So he's going wherever the work is going. His job is to just watch it, and that's it.

There's another guy with him who you could tell is like more higher, you know, higher up. He has a button-out shirt. He has like some plumas, glasses. glasses short hair just you know he carried himself different you know he carried himself different and he had a lot of compute he had a couple computers computers satellite phone things like that um so now again when they were supposed to drop the work off was supposed to be a shop where it was going to be i guess stored or distributed you know or broken down whatever now that the load had been unloaded at my house where are they going to stay at oh they can stay with me

So now I have the driver, the guy, the Mexican, and the other guy, all in the basement. Now, my house was set up like a, I guess like a mother-daughter-type thing where there's, you know, two living areas. So now I have them in my house staying there, right? My son's mother's upstairs. I think my son had been born at this time, you know. Again, she's pretty good. We're not asking any questions. She's one of those.

She'll go out throughout her day and she won't even acknowledge something's going on. she'll walk right past it. Everything goes, going pretty smooth. I noticed that the guy with the laptop, you know, periodically, he would look at a map. And on the map, I saw dots, you know. From when I gathered, the dots were other tractors, you know, other trips, other trucks, loads going to different places. So I don't know if he was in charge of it or, you know, what exactly his job was.

But I believe his job was to verify that everything got there the way it did. Because after that, everything was accounted for, it was unloaded, everything was good. All the work was undamaged and everything. He left. He left. The one guy stayed. My buddy's doing everything they're doing. I always got nervous.

I always got nervous when the money was coming, you know, because, you know, I don't know, I was more comfortable having 10, 20 keys than the $3,000, $800,000. You know, they whole lot less concern about work than the art of money, you know. When it's work, it's still only work. Once it's money, then it's something, you know, it's different. All right, so I have a cousin. So he had been locked up for weapons of charges. Older brother was recently, had been arrested a few months back for trafficking thousands, a thousand keys a week to the area,

making a million dollars a million dollars a week. um they seized 30 million of property homes everything he was going to jail when the younger brother was being released so you know they passed each other in the hallway so big brother had had the mansion and built a 700,000 dollar home next door for him to come home to and everything so they take all of that so now younger brother's coming home to absolutely nothing they take a million dollars in watches and Rolex there's a jury store called four dealers who loses their license to sell Rolex because they were selling it to him at under the market value but he comes home to absolutely nothing um I had just you know lost everything was basically better at the back of zero I had worked

out some things with some of the Mexicans where, you know, I would verify a product. So let's say you had 500 keys going to Arizona, but they would come, you know, 20, 40, 30, you know, different, different times. They get dropped off at a certain location. And from that location, they're transferred over to where they're collected, right? So they would pay me approximately about $500 a key to verify that all the items got to where they were supposed to be. So they would send me to Arizona, they would send me to Maryland, Pennsylvania. So I was doing that, I was doing that for a little while. At one part, one of the guys that were in Elizabeth, New Jersey,

was supposed to transfer the money. He was going to be driving the money to them. And he couldn't find his license. He couldn't find his ID. So he had asked me if I would take a ride with him. You know, I'd take a ride with him to do this because, you know, I had a license at that time. So I end up taking a ride with him and bringing money to right outside. It was upstate New York, Syracuse.

So what they would do is once the work came in, it was distributed to whoever, you know, it went to. When all the money came back, they would rent houses for company, like company picnics or like things of that of nature. And they had municipal airports that were attached to the properties. One in Maryland, one in New York, and there's another one in PA. I believe you can still buy them today. you know they have small airports yeah strips attached to it within those strips you could you know you could you know you're not leaving the country you know what i mean but you can you know fly so the money would be collected it would go to one of those and from there it would get flown

to california or to texas or to wherever and then they would you know take it somewhere else um i took the ride with him and the guy you know got a liking to me so you know he asked if i would you know, if I would mind if I would mind doing it, you know. So it was always like little, more rural areas, you know, that didn't have a real, I guess, minority presence or drug presence, you know, like sheriffs and, you know, and things of that nature. But they would bring the money up and they would, you know, fly it, fly it to those, so those locations.

I had brought my cousin when he came home. you know everything was bad but he was just his brother was um hired a lawyer you know that when we were fighting the case the lawyer's name is paul burgren he was a former prosecutor and a um a federal lawyer there's a guy that he's on social media that he had a a big escort service in new york this is a real eccentric guy he's you know bald and and the attorney had stolen pulling his escort service from him while, you know, while going through the, I guess, the process of the case. So they end up, my cousins in jail, O'Don, they have him hooked up, they transfer somebody into his cell. The person is a cooperator, right?

It seems like their target was the attorney, Paul. We go one day to me and L go to visit the lawyer at the office to talk about the case. The lawyer's first thing says to us is, you've got to find the cooperators, you've got to kill him. You know, first time meeting me, right? There's a black guy in his office that has the lawyer's name tattooed on his neck with a Roman numeral four, right? Saying, right there saying, yeah, then he got me off four bodies. He got me on four bodies. It's like, okay.

So the black dude is telling us, he's like, you guys hustle, you guys move, you know, work, you know what I mean? Like, we do a little bit. So he, you know, he says the guy's name. He's like, you know, I mean, you know, you know, you know, Ben? You know, like, no, you know, meanwhile, that's, you know, the person that we're going there to talk about. And, you know, this guy's a Roman numeral four on his neck. So I'm about to tell him that, you know, we make any kind of money because, you know, we don't know. So we, the lawyer tells us, you know, I got to find him, got to kill them.

You know what I mean? We make a comment, so I'm like, listen, we got, you know, we know, we know some people that can, you know, that can help that situation. Well, he says, don't worry about it. I do this all the time. I do this all the time. Like, all right, you do it all the time. So we leave it at that. You know, the case is going on.

Come to find out, you know, the case was a circumstantial case. They never find any drugs. You know, if you would have fought it the right way, you could have probably beat it. But because of the lawyer, he ended up, you know, end up getting the short end of the stick. They used them as a pawn, right? So the lawyer ends up being on record saying, you know, part of the agreement was $250,000 and introduction to the connect. That's what the lawyer wanted. He wanted to access to the connect.

He had on tape telling the black guy to cut his hands head feet off and throw him in the water once the introduction was made. so am i missing something the lawyer is setting up a murder this is a murder for hire they're setting up somebody to get murdered that's cooperating that's no no he's not he's not cooperating this the guy the the the defendant his client is not cooperating he's just charged right now with the conspiracy the you know the distribution and the money laundering right right then who are they wanting to kill Who's the lawyer want to have killed? Oh, yeah, he wants to kill the person that's cooperating, yes, against, against him. Against his client?

Against his client. Yes. And again, he says, I do it all the time. Okay. All right. So leave it at that. Get about two weeks, three weeks later, the FBI comes and they arrest the lawyer, right? Charging him with murder, turns out he killed three or four other federal witnesses in different cases.

They charge him with escort service that he stole and he. York. They charge him with possession of 50 keys of powder and they charge him with a few other things. While we're going through the whole process, he puts out a hit. He wants, you know, 50,000 already prepaid to hit the cousin, a cousin, the client, and me, right? Which was, I was just the guy that came with my cousin to go see him. Yeah, but you still heard him talk about the murder. That's it. wanting to say somebody murdered and said I do it all the time that's it and so they have that you know they they they have that information they let us know whatever um who lets you know like

the FBI shows up and says the DA the DA okay so this is an FBI no this is DA this is state you know the DEA no the DEA yeah yeah the DEA yeah yeah the feds cut so and federal agents come to your house and say listen yeah they actually speak to us on a visit we go visit him they actually interrupt us they intercept us at the visit. Oh, okay. And they tell us the client, the older cousin, ends up cooperating against the lawyer, Paul, okay? Paul ends up being convicted of everything.

He represents himself. He's sitting at a supermax. He's sitting at the supermax right now in Colorado. The person that had the seven, I believe it was seven murders that he was charged with, his hit man, cooperated against him also. End up getting four years. Within three weeks,

After being released for the four years, kill somebody else in broad daylight in Newarka, Jersey. Just picked that piece, going to prison for the rest of the life. So after all of that, you know, kind of calmed down, you know, we're not able to get anything to really click anymore the way it was, you know. I tell my cousin, he was like, you know, I was like, listen, there got to be a way that we can get him out. You know what I'm saying? It has to be something we could do, you know? I was like, you know, talk to him, let's talk to him and see, you know. So, he talks to him, and then they bring up the, I don't know if it was Rule 35, maybe.

Third party. Third party, Rule 35. How much time has he got? He got 25. Oh, gee. I thought you said he testified again, or cooperated with, against lawyer. He did. Yeah.

And he still only ended up with 25. Well, he got 25 state and 25 federal. So what they did was they erased the state, you know, they, yeah. Okay. So we got 25 fucking federal. Yeah. So, you know, tell them, you know, we bring the whole thing to them. So, you know, my bright idea was, you know, why not throw myself on the radar of the DEA way by involving myself in this? So we start to have meetings with them, you know, he's locked up in in Farrington, in Farrington, New Jersey, which I guess is a high, for like high profile inmates. So he's locked up there with one of the Flores brothers that testified against Osropo. So while he's there, one of the brothers is causing an inconvenience for the rest of the guy. So I guess, you know, when in the Fed, you pay.

Sorry, how long ago was this? Because both the Flores brothers are free now. Yeah, this is like, 10 years. Yeah, 10. So he's causing an inconvenience. You know what I mean? I guess you pay people to do things, but he has so much money. He's paying everybody to, and people don't want to do things for other people because he's paying them more.

Right. Right. So he's like, you got to get this guy. removed from here, you know. So I was like, all right, so, you know, why don't I create a note? Why don't I write something saying that the Citadel knows where he is and they need to move him, you know? He's like, oh, great. So, you know, I do the old school way. I go into magazines. I cut out letters says, you know, the cartel knows where Margarito is. And, you know, and I send it. And it worked, but they didn't remove him. They removed my cousin. And they transferred him to him to

Otisville to Otisville. So during the course of the third party cooperating, you know, I've come to realize that, you know, they really own, they really care about money, you know. They want money, you know. The IRS are cool, but they want money. They get to keep the money. Yes. If it's product, they destroy it. Yes. So they'd much rather get $200,000 in cash than $200,000 in product. Yes. So, because that's the only thing they would constantly ask, you know, I mean, where's money? Money or money. So there is, when he's moved to Otisville, there's another guy there known as Mr. Ramirez.

Ramirez, his name was Chupet. He is the leader of the North Valley cartel in Columbia. He's there also at the time testified against El Chapo. He has family that's coming down to move to be closer to him. and they're looking to move to Inglewood. He doesn't know anything about, you know, the area or that. So we're leaving a visit one day, and the wife stops us at the gas station and asks Mr. Ramirez wanted to know if you would help them find a area

that where they, you know, to live, an area that's fairly decent because they don't really know anything about it, you know, and he would be, you know, appreciative of it. um so i'm like you know i mean they're basically asking me to like play realtor you know what i mean like so i'm like you know yeah like whatever i don't i mind doing that you know i mean i figured it'll help their relationship you know helps help their relationship in there i mean you know we know each other from visiting we see you know all the time so i so i helped them find a area you know and i guess they moved and everything went fine and um in return you know he gave us basically

access to work like work so that we can send it and they can seize it um you know nobody was nobody was getting trouble it was you know what i mean it was their you know their headline or that it was basically you know work being dropped off for somebody it was never going to pick it up okay you know you guys are just saying hey the truck there's a truck that's going to stop in the parking lot on 100 exit 130 second that's it that's it this is gonna you know it's gonna be in here and you know and that's and that's it um They jump on it, they, you know, take it. How does that work?

You got, you go, you guys contact the DEA and say, hey. Yes. At exit whatever, or, I mean, what is it, a restaurant? It was actually a parking lot, a plaza. It was a shopping plaza. And what, there's going to be a car there and the trunk of it. A truck. It was a truck, a box truck.

But they don't really want the product. No, no. So, but they'll take it. Yeah, they're going to take it, but that's not going to, they may or may not. They, well, one, they want to rest. They want money. They want to rest. Yes.

So they'd say, yeah, great, you know, everything. Yeah, we'll take it. Yeah, that's not good. That doesn't meet the level of a third party rule 305 reduction. They didn't even get them an extra sandwich. Yeah. It's just on that. That's it.

Practice. That's all it was. Just practice. But they don't say that, right? No. So happens. And then they, you know, avoid a question because I'm asking like, you know, so what's up? What's happening?

You know, no, no, get back to you. Get back to you. So another time they give me a call And they're like Listen we have this guy That's cooperating But the person They cooperating against

Doesn't want to deal with him You know You think you could act like a connect I'm like yeah sure You know I could act like a connect He's like we'll give you $5,000 You know I said all right sure

I was like Can you can you get me to work too To give them as a sample You know He's like you can't get you Can't get you no drugs well so I was like all right I said but can you follow me you know if I'm going to you know give him stuff I don't want to get caught in the process you know right give him the sample

he's like yeah we can follow you you know what I mean so pretended like I was you know who who he was looking to get followed him down you know did did it gave it to him and you know again nope they paid me for it so that wasn't considered part of of the rule 35 yeah yeah he got your honor he got paid for it why would we give anybody a reduction when he for something he got paid for so i quickly you know i learned that they had no intention on honoring anything you know right they had no intention honoring anything so i started to mess with them you know a little bit you know i would i would set them up on somebody that was already cooperating with them right you know so

if, you know, when they went, you know, or they, you know, but they would quickly tell me, yeah, no, he's no good. You know what I'm like? Like, listen, I know this guy who's doing it. No, he's no good. Like, oh, okay, so you're identifying people that, you know, and not, no, you know, good. And I, I decided that I was going to try to go Columbia and, um, and, and get some work and bring it back. Mind you, we had already started getting a little bad blood because I was pointing them in directions that were leading up to nothing, and they were, I guess, you know, they were starting to tell me you're, you're wasting our money, you're wasting our time.

I go to, I go to Columbia, key for, I think it was $2,200, I package it to ship it back. You know, you can't send things back from Columbia to here on a normal thing, because, like, let's say you buy a stereo, they're like, you know, why are you paying $200 more for a stereo over here than you can get it over here already in the States? So I get back home and my house is, it looks like it was raided, you know. It was rated, but there's no paperwork, there's no nothing, but, you know, bulletproof vest. All my electronics are gone and my car keys gone. Cars there, but my key's gone.

I look up on my computer to see where's the last time my email was accessed, and it was access at the DEA Strike Force unit. um so i call them up i'm like you know listen what's up like you know what's going on you guys you know why you have my computer you know oh we don't have the computer i'm looking at it right here it says that it's you know at your at your office we're not talking about we'll call you back we'll call you back that's done i feel like i'm being followed you know i would see consistent cars you know i would pull over they would pull over i would you know i would i would park illegally they would you know Like, I was, I was being followed. So I told my attorney, I'm like, you know, I'm being followed.

I don't, you know, I don't know what it is. You're being paranoid. You're being paranoid. One day I get, I get tickets in the mail. I get ticket in the mail for reckless driving, driving with our license, driving on suspended license, speeding, but never pulled over, right? None of the vehicles are registered to my name, you know, but somehow all of the things made it to my mailbox.

So I tell him, you know, what's going on And obviously this is local So he's like, all right, well something, you know, something Something is going on funny now, you know When it came to the Rule 35 thing, They just agreed to have him parole granted That's what it ended up coming to Find a track of my vehicle

And I call them to meet up with them And I bring it back to them, you know, I bring it back to him Like, listen, I was like, look, listen, here, you know, this is, this is one of your guys, because I've seen this, you know, before. Like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. But they keep it, right? So they keep it.

So I started to notice funny things going on. My mother had a hardwood flooring company. And I go there one day. And while I'm inside, all of a swarm of police cars, you know, swarmed, swarmed place. And they locked me up. They lock me up for, they say I'm trespassing, but, you know, it's our business. Right. I have some powder in my pocket.

Sorry. No, no. I have some powder in my pocket. And they go into, my car's parked outside. Keys are not in it. I'm not in the car. Right. They go in the back and they pull out a bag and they say, we got a gun, you know.

Gun. Like, you know, never take it out the bag, nothing like that, you know. So they lock me, so they bring me in. And, you know, the officer's like, you know, do you want to talk? I'm like, I'm like, yeah, sure, you know. Like, you know, so they asked me if I'm hungry, you know, got my little meal. So they tell me, you know, so, you know, so, you know, what's going on? You know, I said, what do you mean what's going on?

Oh, no, you said, what do you have to help you out? I was like, what, what do you help me out with what? Like, you know, you're charged. They're bringing the dog, you know, because they asked me, you know, they asked me before, do you, you know, will have let us search the car? and I'm on the police camera saying, no, you know, I'm not consent. So he's like, well, you know, you said you wanted to talk, you know. I said, you know, no.

He asked me if I want to have a conversation. I said, sure, I have a conversation, you know. I said, I thought you guys want to talk to me. He said, well, you're being charged to the gun? I said, you know, what gun? You guys keep talking about a gun. I haven't seen a gun. You know, they take my drink.

They take my food and they basically send me to the county. I get to the county, I noticed that I'm giving a $25,000 bail with 10%. So automatically, that's, you know, like, that's odd. It's a gun. That's when we want to make a phone call. I'm like, you know, no, I'm not, you know, I'm calling anybody. So they, I get, I get a bail. You know, they post-25, a bail, an offer of eight years, eight years.

For a gun that you're, isn't yours? Isn't mine, right? My public defender, I had a public defender. I learned with the public defenders that the thing is, the key is that you know, you do all the homework. All they are is a voice between you and the judge. You know, they're not going to

really put any effort, they're not going to put any time. They don't have it. You know, they're not all incompetent. They're just, you know, they're overworked, you know? So she tells me they're offering me eight. I said, how can they offer me eight? I don't have any, you know, I don't have a criminal record. I have no, you know, felonies. I said, well, according to this,

you have a jacket. I was like, oh, let me see that. So I look at it. I said, you know, I told him, I said, listen, that guy has a jacket, you know, not me. She looks at it. It's like, oh, yeah, that's not you. So it was a picture of another man, another social, must have been like 60 that they're attaching to me. So I was like, you know, rejected. So the guys from DEA call me up, like, listen, we heard that you have a case, we have an open case, you know.

I was like, yeah, yeah. He's like, do you want to, you know, see what we could do? I said, see what we could do about what? I was like, so this was your guys. This was, you know, he's like, well, you know, but, you know, maybe we could, you know, work something out. And I said, listen, this is weak. I said, I'll do this my way.

You know, you do it guys, whatever you have to do your way. That kind of, like, you know, ended the relationship with them. They carried that on for about three years. They offered me another two years. And then the last one was a year probation. They offered me a year probation. You know, I was like, no, I'm not taking it. She's like, well, if you don't take it, they're going to, you know, three to five in court.

I said, yeah. I don't have a jacket. It's not my, you've got no DNA, you got no fingerprints, you got no. By New Jersey law, you're allowed to carry a weapon to a place of unemployment from your home and to the job. And you're not a felon. And I'm not a felon, you know, and that's it. Let's go to trial. Trial day comes, sitting there for two hours.

Nobody shows up. Nobody shows up. So I call, I'm like, you know, what's going on? The case, you know, the case is sitting here. Like, what case? According to this, you don't have any cases. The last pending case was dismissed. I said, oh, so that's it.

It was dropped and that's how it goes. Just nothing, right? Your public defender didn't tell you that. Nothing, nothing at all. So because I was at my place of business, I was like, you know, maybe I could sue them for this whole thing, right? But come to find out of the three-year time, there's a three-year limit that you could sue a police department for and the day my charges was dropped was a day after that third year cut off right so that goes away um the third card of cooperation was ruled out he's granted parole

the day that he was supposed to a week a week a week before that he was supposed to come home the younger cousin has a heart attack from powder and dies so the first time he's coming they were were never at a point that they were out together one was always in jail one was free you know this time he's coming home and this one dies of a heart attack because the people that he was with didn't call the ambulance they waited 45 minutes by the time it came he was brain dead um so he ends up getting uh you know dying he gets release throughout this course of time i had a friend that was partners in a steel rebar company i was always asked I was asking him, you know, toward the end, I realized that there was nobody I knew that successfully made it out.

And I knew I wasn't going to be the first. So I was trying to, you know, I was trying to get out. He had always told me that, you know, you're not ready. He's like, you're not ready for, you know, when you're ready to leave all that other stuff alone, then, you know, let me know. So a situation happens and where the guys that, it was a company that was introducing robotics into the steel industry. So they were having problems in New York because the union guys weren't – they weren't using union people to construct the cages, and the union guys were threatened by the robots. So they would go to the facility, and they smacked around the owner that was there. We had deliveries that was scheduled to go out.

The union guy said that they weren't going to allow the deliveries. So my buddy, Giacomo called me up. He's like, listen, they have some problems down there with these union. people you want to you want to get a job like this the opportunity he said i need you to make sure that the the delivery goes out i'm like all right i'm like how how you know how much effort could i you know put into this he's like listen just do what you got to do if it gets crazy call the police we're not trying to do anything crazy you know so i go down there they show up you know with with their you know t-shirt things he's on and you know that you know i'm i'm john goddy's brothers cousins

mother's sister's friend, you know what I mean, trying to delay the... So they parked their truck, pickup truck, block in the street. So the job is open, ready to go, so they're not moving. So I tell the driver, you know, I'm telling, bro, just drive. You know what I'm saying? We have a little bit of words, me and the guys, but they said that their nephews will be back, something like that. So I tell the drive, I'm like, just drive.

They'll move. You know what I mean? Just drive. It's like, no, you know, I don't want any problems. I don't want... So I call up my buddy, which is the owner. I'm like, listen, you know, Jack, who owns these trucks? You know, he's like, who, what trucks?

He's the delivery trucks. Who owns them? He's like, we do. I'm like, all right. So I told the guy, I was like, move over, jump in the driver's seat, and I just start driving it toward the trucks. You know, they, of course, jump in, and they move out, and, you know, I make the left turn, get out, so the guy continues on.

So that was like my introduction to the company. So Giacomo, you know, gave me an opportunity to go work for them. So I started working with them. I started slowly, you know, cutting ties with. everything that was going on over here. Older cousin gets released. I'm working now, so I'm good. I think I'm making about 80, about 85.

So I kind of avoid, you know, I avoid the phone calls. I just stay away from it. He gets in trouble again for conspiracy to buy 150 keys. While he was in the feds, they introduced undercover or a person that was cooperating with them when he was getting ready to leave. So they set the guy, the person in there to start a rapport with him so that when he gets out, he looks to him to make the deal. So that's exactly what happens. They set him up. I think it was eight months that he was out. Mind you the first time when he went in, his wife was

pregnant, the first time he went in. So his son was born while he was locked up. This time when they got him again, the girlfriend's pregnant. Again, sentenced to 288 months. So now he has two kids that never really knew their dad. Everything gone,

you know, and all family, and you know, and it was, I was like, but the greed is what, like, you know, 30 million, 80,000. let's say 80,000 a week, you know, 30 million, it's like, what is enough?

Why? Why do you keep going? Why? And I swear there was a period of time where I wanted to, I felt like getting caught. You know, I always said that once I got caught, I would stop. But these idiots just couldn't get it right. You know what I'm saying? They couldn't.

They would always folly something into the investigation. You know, they just couldn't get the shit right. So he gets catch the charge. I'm working. I'm working for the company. My buddy is trying to merge two steel companies, and he dies. This is the owner. This is the owner of the steel company that gave me the job, gave an opportunity.

Now, he passes away. My job security was basically based off of him. Right. These guys, they didn't really, you know. But they kept me, you know, they kept me on, and I was able to grow with the company. and expand, you know what I mean? We expand it out to PA. And then investor money came in and, you know, that mismanagement started.

And after stopping everything and relocating over there, it just out of business. So it's like almost, even in the legit world, I find myself having a regroup and start again. I feel like it's a curse. I feel like it's a curse. I was involved in the day trading for a little while, right? We had an inside guy who would give us hints, you know, tips, right? We had a stock called LNG that went from a penny stock, like eight-tenths of a penny to almost 30 cents, right?

I took $8,000, made like $300,000 out of it. I didn't know anything about profits and loss and everything like that. I was home and I had a little four-bedroom house. And I'm home one day and I get a knock at the door and I'm looking out the window. I see a priest and I see two guys, you know, with a clipboard and a suit. One's walking around the back. One's in the front. I don't open the door.

They leave. I have a card on my door from the IRS. And one was a priest? No, no. One was not a priest. I said priest. Didn't he say priest? One was a priest?

Were they in a priest? Is that what you're saying? No, I might have said caprice, but I meant a crown vix. One was a priest. I was like, the IRS is traveling around with priests so he can console you? No, I meant a crown vick. So he left the card. I called my attorney.

I'm like, listen, some IRS agents came to my house. You know, I don't know what, you know, to do. He's like, well, you need to respond to the letter, you know. I was like, not a letter. They came to my house. Right. He said, well, you know, then you have problems. so I called up the IRS agent that's left on the left the number so he tells me you know there's

issues between car purchases and and you know basically outstanding money or taxes that I didn't pay a lot of the transfer of money that we did was through banks also you know we did a lot of the deposit in this count you know 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 you know we did a lot of that um so I tell him I'm like um listen I've never this is the new situation for me you know If I have a little time to get an attorney and, you know, see what needs to be done, then I could figure it out. They said, how about, you know, how about this? You figure out how to take care of it in 60 or I have you in jail in 90.

I was like, wow. I said, all right, you know, I'll get, you know, I'll get back to you. All right. So hang up. Following day, at the time I was driving a Mercedes-C-L-550. So following day, I wake up in the morning, and I'm going to get a haircut. So I go outside of front of the house. and there's no car

so I'm like you know maybe maybe I was drunk maybe I parked it in the back of the house you know what I mean go to the back of the house nope no car so I'm like you know damn so I call up I call the police to report it's stolen

when they tells me that you know it's not stolen it was seized and I have to report here if you'd like to come pick it up so I'm like oh shit I'm like they might pick you up

so I start you know, I start panicking. So I go to go to the bank to go get out some money and I have a balance 25,000 available balance zero. PNC bank balance 20,000 available balance zero. Everything. They locked everything. They even took 1500 bucks from account that had my son and he was like eight years old and they took everything. So have you just never paid taxes? no I oh my god and you know I never I figured that nothing was really you know in the system yeah you know you don't see one of the if you don't start paying you don't ever you're not ever paying into this they don't know about you you're never really giving them the right to

yeah yeah that's not true no but that's what people say yeah well the lawyer end up getting it down from the 180 that they want it to like 85 um they had 85 000 and you're making payments and they well they had taken 83 of it already so yeah so that's it so i you know i but i took care of that but ever since then i've i've i've had irs problems i mean still to this day i still it seems like every year they're you're looking at something for me to you know pay or you know but those are the when it came to all the legal issues those those are the people that scared me the most Because when you get arrested and they take everything, that's one thing.

When they leave you out there and they take everything, like, you know, that's a whole, they're scary people. They play by their own rules. They act like it's their personal money, you know what I mean? Like, you owe them. So I basically, you know, I found that I couldn't stay on the right track by living where I was. You know what I mean? And so I stayed in PA, still, you know, trying to, I mean, I'm okay. No, you know, not really any.

I'm not starving, you know, but trying to stay on the right track because I have a feeling that all my chances, on my luck and all my opportunities to, you know, to have gotten out or done. But what are you doing now? Still in the steel industry. Yep. Still, it's still in the street of rebar. But I have, you know, a couple of buddies that, you know, being released coming home

that, you know, have some ideas of getting into the carting and, you know, and recycling. So I think I might make the move back. I figured, you know, five, six years gone from the area, maybe it all, you know, died down. I mean, up until two years ago, I never had credit. So, you know, I just started building credit. Trying to go to places like banks and, you know, they're like, well, where you've been for all this? You know, how do you have no credit history for, you know, that's a long story, you know, like, I have to prove to them that I'm actually me, you know, just got, they didn't have a license for like eight years, you know, that quite expensive came to realize, you know, can't drive on a suspended license, you don't have money, you know, it gets expensive very fast. Or just get a license.

Yeah. And just keep the license. But look, I've never had a DUI. I've never had an accident. They would just find reasons to, you know, I feel like they were trying to do everything to get me to be put in a compromising situation. and, and I don't know, I don't know if they failed or if I failed, you know, because, you know, I talked to people that, you know, we were hustling with and they, oh, no, I just retired from Lexus. How you doing?

Oh, well, you know, I'm cool. You know what I mean? But I feel like it would have been a bunch of wasted, wasted time, you know, there's not any, I don't think I know anybody that, you know, either alive and free from anybody. You know, people ask me, oh, you know, well, do you regret it? Like, yeah, every goddamn bit of it. I mean, you know, does you feel like it help make you? No, whatever I did, I should have had to become, you know what I mean?

I have a whole bunch of skills that don't apply in the real world. You know what I mean? Like, yes, I can get cargo from point A to point B and everywhere in between, but that doesn't transfer good in normal society. Plus, I didn't have this, you know, a work history. I didn't have a work history for so long So when I'm going to apply for a job I only already paid somebody

And make up a whole resume But when they want to know about this gap You know, do I tell them how my skills Transporting Soft can apply to This job, you know what I mean? That my negotiation about Short money with the Mexicans That ended up in a peaceful

How it transfers over They don't want to hear that You know what I mean? So I mean, I guess you know Lucky but um regretful oh god damn every every day every bit of it every bit of it hey you guys i appreciate you watching do be favor hit the subscribe button at the bell so you get notified of videos just like this also if you want to follow will on his youtube channel and

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