Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Trump Pardons Arrested Jan. 6 Police Officer

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Starting point is 00:00:30 Not available in all states. It was so exaggerated by the media and by the government. They pushed an exaggerated narrative that did not happen. For example, cops had been issued the entire thing. So let me first preface this by saying, my understanding of the events are limited. I've watched a couple of documentaries. And one, I have like a real disdain for just the media in general. but I couldn't find a documentary that wasn't.

Starting point is 00:01:01 As soon as it comes on within three or four minutes, it's like it just seemed overwhelmingly slanted. You know, no, you know, I mean, no offense to, you know, the media, but they were, they were all, they seemed extremely slanted. Yeah. And everything was, you know, was, you know, violent this, violent that. You know, it was, and I felt like, okay, you're, you guys are pushing this agenda. And I haven't seen, and thus far at that moment,

Starting point is 00:01:28 hadn't seen anything that I would have considered violent. You know, later, I definitely did. Yeah. But initially, and then they were, they were also, they were saying things that Trump was, an agenda that Trump was a put was pushing, but they never showed any footage where he was saying anything wrong. Like, I'm like, okay, they're saying that he's inciting all of this, but I'm watching what he's saying. And unless I had my own agenda, I wouldn't be taking that. taking what he's saying in that manner at all. You know what I'm saying? Like he's got,

Starting point is 00:02:02 he uses a lot of rhetoric. He's always, you know, spouting off and saying insane stuff. But, I mean, you have to take it with a grain of salt because obviously the left does the same thing. But I'm watching,

Starting point is 00:02:11 I couldn't find one that was that I felt like was non-biased. The problem is, of course, as you watch, they're only showing you one side. Right. And let's face it, if that,

Starting point is 00:02:20 if that footage didn't exist, then, I'm not saying it's untrue. I'm not saying their version isn't untrue. I always hate that. There's that. that saying there's there's their version and your version you know and then there's the truth and i just felt like i was only able to find their version of course they had they had a monopoly

Starting point is 00:02:39 on the information that was that was given because if you were to say contrary to what the media wanted wanted to put out there that you were called the conspiracy theories or called like you know you're lying you're trying to erase what would happen like look i i understand that there were people that have done things they probably shouldn't have did on january 6 yeah but it was so by the media and by the government. They're the big ones that pushed it, and I know the media and the government were in bed together, right?

Starting point is 00:03:04 So they pushed an exaggerated narrative that did not happen. For example, the planning of the insurrection. First of all, it wasn't even an insurrection. The insurrection is an actual charge. So let me give you an example. Let's say you go into a candy or a candy store and you take some candy.

Starting point is 00:03:20 That's called theft, right? That's like you're taking something and then all the news lines say he robbed that store. He robbed that store. Right. You didn't rob the store. You stole something. Right.

Starting point is 00:03:31 So insurrection. They called insurrection. Insurrection is a charge. No one was charged with insurrection. So that's number one anyway. That's a side point. I digressed on that. But they created this narrative that it was a planned orchestrated event where people were sitting

Starting point is 00:03:46 behind, you know, they had blueprints of the Capitol and they were, you know, marking points. We have these radios and it's all coordinated event to attack the Capitol. That's 100% a lie. Right. 100% a lie. I don't know anyone who did. that they said that the night before we were at a house and we were coordinating we were getting drunk the night before so there's an we were just watching tv getting drunk so this whole narrative they push

Starting point is 00:04:09 they were allowed to push it because the government pushed that and the government knew it was a lie they know it's a lie but they pushed it anyway for political reasons so um so yeah we'll get it and all that we're not we're not in a hurry we're like 13 minutes in um sorry i got i get kind of carried away with this conversation no i'm upset about it What I was going to say is one of the ones I watched was a journalist. And so what he did is first he starts talking about these white supremacist groups that are at these rallies. This is a year or two prior to. And he's saying white supremacist groups, these.

Starting point is 00:04:45 And then it shifts to extremist groups. And then he kind of bounces back and forth. And then he starts talking about the proud boys. But as I'm watching it, I'm thinking, okay. So in my mind, I immediately start thinking, okay, so the proud boys is like a white supremacist group. But as he's showing it, there's blacks. Like they're black. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:05:06 There's blacks. There's Hispanics. There's, and I'm like, okay. And so this, what are you, what they're showing doesn't quite make sense as far as the proud boys are concerned. Yeah. And at one point, he does kind of clarify it where he says, like, although they do allow blacks and Hispanics to join, I was like, you're lumping. them in with a white supremacy movement, I'm pretty sure, I'm not a positive of this, but I'm pretty sure white supremacist groups probably wouldn't be allowing blacks and Hispanics in. I mean,

Starting point is 00:05:39 I don't know. Definitely. I'm thinking that maybe the core, you know, your core values might, might be offended by that. But yeah, so that's what, they were going into these different rallies and stuff. And that was another one of those things where I was like, well, this is, you're not making a huge distinction here. And you guys keep showing these groups. And you're, keep talking about the proud boys being white supremacist, but that's not what I'm seeing at all. And then they, then he talks about how they disappeared, then they came back and then they're at these rallies. And so what, how did, and I know that you were involved. So how did you get involved with that group and why did you get involved? Were you, and were you a police officer at

Starting point is 00:06:15 the time? I guess that's the real question. So towards the end of my career where I just decided that I want to do something else. That's when I joined the proud boys. And I felt like my beliefs and the, you know, my political beliefs in being a police officer were kind of, kind of a, you know, I don't know the word to use, but they weren't aligning properly, right? Not to say that, you know, police officers are doing the wrong thing, but I feel like a lot of cops, like it was during the COVID time. A lot of cops were doing what they were told, not what they believed in. So, for example, there was like ordinances and things that were coming down from the

Starting point is 00:06:46 government, like, you know, we had a curfew. So after nine or ten o'clock, anyone was on the street, you had the legal. you had the legal right unless they were, what was it called, essential, essential, that you could arrest them for breaking the curfew. I'm like, I'm not doing that. Right. I'm not doing that. That's ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:07:03 So things like that were coming down. I'm like, man, this is not what I want to be a part of anymore. So I went on to pursue different things. And how did the proud boys? Oh, oh, so I was, yeah, I was still involved with them. And it's just, it basically, they try to politicize the proud boys. The proud boys is a drinking group where guys get together. They talk politics.

Starting point is 00:07:21 I mean, you can't be left winger. and join. Basically, it's a right-wing drinking group. Right. So you get together a couple times a month, drink some beers, talk about politics, work out together, just like a, you know, it's a men's group. Okay. So it's, it's been politicized over the years, you know, they throw the accusation of white supremacy because the media needs that white supremacist boogeyman because they've been talking about it for years. Right. They need that, which is the greatest threat to civilization. I mean, no, it's not. It's ridiculous. Right. They even say that. Um, but no, it's not.

Starting point is 00:07:48 The problem is not a white supremacist group. Um, you know, are, are some of them, unapologetically like pro white like yeah white families but you should be that no matter what you are you know pro whatever you are yeah um it's okay if you're black and you say you're pro black or yeah be pro black exactly whatever exactly so that's acceptable yeah they they make that uh that acceptable but you're pro white but you should be no matter what race you are pro your your people um but the group itself is not a uh a white nationalist organization okay so how did you get involved with them I just emailed them. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:08:24 Yeah, I saw them on the streets in 2018 at a Trump event, and so I emailed him, and that's how I got in. Okay. And I mean, and that's it? Like, there's just, I mean, is it at least like a national, I mean, are there rally? Like, what is it? There are like 12 guys, you know, in Sumter County or, you know.

Starting point is 00:08:45 I mean, I don't know the specific numbers, but there's a lot more than, there's a lot of, a lot of guys in Florida particularly. There's a lot of probably boys across the United States. And, you know, the majority of them that I met are jam up awesome guys. And the guys locally in the Orlando area, we work out together. We go to church together. We, you know, go to the bars together.

Starting point is 00:09:04 And we basically, it's just camaraderie thing. You know, it's a support, a support system for men, like-minded men. Okay. And so you were, so you, and not retired, whatever, you quit the police department. And it doesn't pay, right? Like, there's not like pay. So I was making about. After taxes, oh, you're saying the Pro Bowboys?

Starting point is 00:09:24 And the Cowboys, right. Oh, no, no. You quit your job. Like, what are you doing for work at this point? So I moved on to insurance and things like that. Okay. So it was much safer. As a cop, I was making about 800 bucks a week after taxes, which is, you know, not

Starting point is 00:09:38 terrible, but it's not enough to be chasing bad guys and getting shot at, things like that. How did you transition into going, like, were you going to rallies or did you just happen to go to, happen to go to Washington that day? Oh, on January 2nd. Like, were you already, were you going to Trump rallies? Were you going to rallies in general? I had been to a few Trump rallies, but it was kind of like, you know, we wanted to start staying away from, like, just showing up to every Trump rally.

Starting point is 00:10:03 This was specifically because what you've seen, I don't know if you guys have seen it on YouTube and Facebook and all that, where these Trump supporters would go to Trump rallies and on their way to their cars, you'd have like Antifa, the anti-fascists. They would basically follow these families. I've seen a wife, husband, wife and children being attacked. by these people being kicked, things thrown at them just because they're wearing MAGA hats. Right. So I was pretty pissed off about that.

Starting point is 00:10:27 So we went specifically because we figured that Antifa and all these left-wing activists were going to follow them again, went there to make sure it didn't happen. And that's how we got kind of sucked up into that, into the January 6th, the capital thing. And this is going to sound horrible, right? Because you're going to be like, bro, you don't know anything. Like, all I hear is, you know, is Antifa, Antifa, Antifa. you know, there was a riot and or there was a peaceful, peaceful, you know, protest in Chicago and Antifa was there and they burned down, you know, six buildings.

Starting point is 00:11:03 Still peaceful though, yeah. You're right, right. It was peaceful and they knocked out a bunch of windows or, you know, and that they're, I'm always hearing like, well, I don't understand when Antifa goes to a, so kind of protest and people got beat, get beat up or cars are flipped over or set on fire or buildings or, you know, whatever, that they say it's peaceful. And they keep saying Antifa, Antifa. What is Antifa?

Starting point is 00:11:25 Antifa are anti-fascist. Okay. So that's just the hyphenated, you know, shortened versions, anti-fascist. And they view fascism basically is anything, first of all, it's involved with, like, white families. Right. If you're a conservative white family, you're a fascist. Anything that goes against, like, their ridiculous Marxist, anarchist view. So they consider anyone who's against.

Starting point is 00:11:50 instead of fascist. And that's what they want to oppose. Okay. Yeah, that's not what I think of as fascism at all, at all. But I mean, fascism, I feel like it's basically nationalism, right? Like it's, it's. Yeah. So before, prior to, the dictionaries that came out in like the 30s and 20s, 30s and 40s, that fascism is ultra-nationalism, you know, patriotism, things like that. The term fascism was like. Hitler ruined it. Well, they hijacked it because they wanted to. Fascism was a good thing for the people at their time.

Starting point is 00:12:27 They get a lot of these, if you look at the countries, the economy, things like that, they loved their, they loved their country. The economy was doing good. Italy. Italy. It turned Italy around, right? And Germany as well. The German economy was doing really well.

Starting point is 00:12:40 They hijacked it because it was, it was, it was, fascism arose to fight communism. Right. And Marxism. So when you're trying to instill these. these Marxist values, Marxist, whatever, ideology, fascism was against it. That's why they label everything fascist, just so that you don't have to, it's a boogeyman word.

Starting point is 00:13:01 So if you say, hey, I'm against socialism. They go, oh, you're a fascist, but that's not necessarily true. And on top of that, I was gonna say, I think that Adolf was, you know, I mean, I do know that what's so funny is how quickly people forget. When he first came into power, and the Nazi party was elected into power

Starting point is 00:13:22 and then he was appointed you know everybody loved him they loved him for years he was Time magazine like man of the year at one point and he turned Germany around

Starting point is 00:13:34 and it was amazing it was phenomenal even though there were things that were definitely leaning towards that you could probably see that were definitely leaning toward

Starting point is 00:13:45 the you know the coming Holocaust right but the problem is once the Holocaust happened, World War II falls, public opinion shifted away from fascism because they connected the Holocaust with fascism. You know what I'm saying? I mean, in my opinion, like suddenly they said, okay, well, if you're fascist, then you're, you know, you're, you know, one race, but you could have fascism in any country. It could be, there could be, right, there's fascism in, in Africa. There could be, it could be in Africa, Europe, it could be, actually, you know,

Starting point is 00:14:16 who is also is Japan, right? Like anybody, yeah, could be anything. I would say El Salvador today is probably the closest thing to fascism that we have. Maybe not 100%, but it's the closest thing that we have. Right. It's, they've eradicated, they've eradicated, you know, crime there, basically. Yeah, they took that huge prison, right? I'm sorry, but go ahead.

Starting point is 00:14:36 No, no, I, I, I, you know, what's funny is, it is, you know, so I remember this is, and we'll get back to this. And maybe Colby will cut this out. But I think this is interesting, right? People love the whole fascist World War II debate right now. Right. Well, listen, I love World War II. I watch the documentaries over and over and over again. I feel bad for my wife.

Starting point is 00:15:04 But listen, she's learning a lot. So here's the thing is that when I went to Germany when I was probably 11 or 12 years old, We actually picked up a BMW at the at the factory. This was when they made BMWs in Germany. Picked it up, drove it on the auto bond and had it shipped over here because you could do that back then. I don't know if you can now. But so my whole, so we, not my whole family, my mom, my mother father and I. And we stayed at Airbnb's, not Airbnb's.

Starting point is 00:15:36 They weren't Airbnb's. They were bed and breakfasts. That's what they call it. So they were bed and breakfasts back then. Now it's Airbnb. Well, without the breakfast. So anyway, we went and we stayed and there was a woman who was in the woman was renting out, Her rooms, right? That's what a bed and breakfast was. So I remember we were eating breakfast

Starting point is 00:15:54 and we were about to leave and she was probably in her late 60s. And I remember she was talking, my dad was actually in Korea. He was stationed in Germany. And keep on, Korea was only, you know, whatever, a decade or so after like, whatever, 10, 15 years after World War II ended. So they're still recovering. There's still buildings that are that are completely demolished. They haven't even rebuilt. And she was talking about how she had grown up there. She lived there her whole life. She was there during the war. She was a young girl during the war. Talked about how she had like three brothers who were all alive because they were very young during World War II, but they were all still alive. And when the Americans, that little town we were in, when the Americans came in,

Starting point is 00:16:48 The Americans came in and they walked, came through the town and they were like, look, any men that were part of the German army have to bring their paperwork and come, you know, on this day. And they all, and she said, I think she said her three brothers went down there and one of them came back. Wow. And, and I, you know, so she was telling that to my dad. I was just like, you know, I'm a little kid. I'm 11 years.

Starting point is 00:17:11 I don't have a fucking clue what's going on. I'm like, okay. And my dad was right, right, right. So when we got in the car later, I was like, my dad was talking to my mom. about it and I mentioned, I should pull this closer, and I mentioned, what does she mean only, why did she say only two came back? What happened? Did they go to jail? Do they, and my dad said, you know, the history books write a certain version of events so that people can feel okay about, you know, about horrible things that have happened. Now back then, you could do that.

Starting point is 00:17:45 you can't do that now and so he was he said that i have no doubt that those that they determined that one of the brothers hadn't really done anything he was young he never left you know never left the area he never left germany he never did anything probably was never in combat he left the other two may have been they may have been with the ss who knows what these guys did they could have been Gestapo, God only knows, but they were on a list of guys that didn't come back. And he's like, who knows what happened to them? Most likely, they may have been executed. Who knows? But he's like, those are the things that happen in war that don't make the history books. Because you can't necessarily go into a country, take it over, and leave a bunch of people to

Starting point is 00:18:34 rebuild the country that are armed and upset. Yeah. And horrible things have to happen. in order to move an agenda forward. And I remember thinking, you know, so that kind of, I realize that. And if you look back, there's tons of events as cameras became more and more prevalent, right? Do you get to Vietnam stage or error where they're doing atrocities and they're being caught on camera? The things that aren't caught on camera, everybody shuts up about. But the horrific things that have to happen in order for you to invade a country and take it over successfully just can't seem to happen now. And they're horrible events.

Starting point is 00:19:18 You know, it's brutal, but those things just don't happen anymore. They cannot happen anymore. You know, society wouldn't be okay. Or you could just be brutally honest with society. And they just mentally, their fragile little brains wouldn't be able to take it. Anyway, when I watched these documentaries and stuff and I realize like when, you know, you expect that. of the Soviets when they came in. You don't really expect it.

Starting point is 00:19:40 And hey, you know what? The Americans may have just handed them over to the Soviets, right? Soviets took a ton of Germans, brought them into the Soviet Union and just worked them to death, you know? So they may have handed them over. Maybe the Americans didn't get their hands dirty. But somebody had to get their hands dirty. I had a conversation the other day where we were talking about wars and how, oh, yeah,

Starting point is 00:20:01 the guy had said, oh, yeah, well, wars will be fought with drones and this and that. I was like, at some point, you have to have boots on the ground. And somebody has to make those horrific decisions, you know. But it's, unfortunately, it does have to happen, unless you're going to think you're going to do what? You're going to put everybody in prisons or in internment camps. You're going to re-educate them. I mean, you know, that's expensive. You know, it's not expensive, like bullets and gasoline.

Starting point is 00:20:28 They're very cheap. They're permanent solutions. Yeah. You know, and that's an unfortunate truth. but that's the kind of things that happened back then and that's the kind of things that would have to happen in order to take over something successfully. And I don't think that the,

Starting point is 00:20:46 because I've had conversations with guys about, you know, Mexico, you know, what could you do about Mexico? I mean, I could think about what you would do that would work, but it would never be accepted. It would just be brutal. As in like invade and, yeah, you invade and you destroy the cartels. Yeah, the, El Salvador, you're digging ditches and you're leaving bodies. And, you know, it's horrific and it's horrible. And, and, you know, it's brutality for 10 years. And then people become assimilated in 20 years. Nobody's even talking about it or thinking about it. You know, maybe you've got some American Indians running around who are still complaining about it. But that's over. That ship has sailed. Might well stop complaining. You've got. This is what you've got casino. You got some land and casinos. And that's what you've got. It's not changing. Like, you're not, you know, the people that are complaining about, oh, you stole this land. No. You stole this land. No. You stole. You

Starting point is 00:21:33 stole it from him and he stole it from him and he stole it from him. There was no established nation at that time. Yeah. We're no, I'm never going anywhere. Nobody's going to be like, you're right, bro. I got my DNA thing back. I'm going, I just got my DNA thing back. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to go to Norway right now because I'm, you know, or Sweden, because actually this one says I'm 60 something percent Swedish. So, you know, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and go back to one of these Nordic countries. Like, that's not happening. Nobody's doing that. So stop complaining. I think to go, you said something like, like, like, a couple minutes ago, that they write history books a certain way.

Starting point is 00:22:06 And the Victor always writes the history books. Of course. So it's always manipulated. And that's why I always, I never used to in the past, but now I don't trust the government at all. So I always look into history and I'm like trying to pick apart what they're doing. So I always try to watch like counter or get counter information or get information that is counter to what we've been taught.

Starting point is 00:22:25 Right. So the whole, we were talking about the whole World War II thing. I think it's been greatly manipulated to create this like patriotism with Americans. We always did the right thing. We always did the right thing. We're the good guys. I think America's probably been the bad guys in a lot of wars, but they make us believe,

Starting point is 00:22:39 or they try to make us believe that they're the good guys. What about, I love the way they do it on TV, where when the allies went into these towns and would find the concentration camps, they'd always be like, I can't, can you believe they're doing this? I can believe they're doing this because it was, it was in the newspapers three years ago.

Starting point is 00:23:03 that this is what they were doing. You've known this is what they were doing. They always acted shocked by it. Like, it's like, we had concentration camps in the United States. Yeah, Japanese. I mean, we weren't doing that. We weren't starving them to death. But, you know, still, I understand we, you will do that.

Starting point is 00:23:18 Look, you have to do. There are things you have to do. It was like, oh, they bombed, you know, we're only bombing military targets. No, we're bombing cities that have no military targets. Look at, you know, look at Japan. You know, what is it, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Like, you know, both, neither of those were military targets. We bombed both them.

Starting point is 00:23:41 Why? Because the weather was good. I mean, we're trying to get you guys to a point where you will surrender. Did that save American lives? I have no doubt that saved Americans' lives. Was it brutal? Yeah, but that's what's, that's war. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:54 That's war. It's horrible. Yeah, it sucks, but that's the way it is. And same thing with, listen. Oh, gosh, was it India or Pakistan? I want to say it was India. Yeah. Nobody ever talks about the fact that Churchill took a ton of food and supplies from India and millions of Indians starved to death so that England could eat.

Starting point is 00:24:20 It was a possession of the UK, and they needed food. And so they took food, they took their resources. and they used it for the English, and millions of Indians starved to death. I'm not surprised. Ever talks about that. Churchill, I don't know if you saw, there's a Tucker Carlson interview that it was maybe like a year ago or something. And Churchill was not this like savior that they tried to prop them up to be.

Starting point is 00:24:48 He was the one that instigated World War II. The Germans, Hitler tried to. Oh, multiple times. Multiple times. Like, I don't want a war. I don't want a war. Let's not do this. We're very much alike.

Starting point is 00:24:59 Let's not do this. And Churchill was the one that kept instigating. I remember during that, I think it was that podcast, that they were about to bomb London, the Germans, and they reached out to Churchill and try to make peace. Like, we don't want to continue this war. We don't want to bomb London. We don't want to bomb London. And they try to get the women and children out. Actually told him, take the women and children out where you're going to bomb.

Starting point is 00:25:22 Yeah. Which he did. He did move him. But, you know, listen, Hess built a special plane and flew in to, I want to say, it's scottable. and jumped out, you know this? I don't know. Listen, listen. The stuff that happened in World War II is the stuff of Hollywood.

Starting point is 00:25:44 Hess was like the deputy chief, which I think he was deputy chief, basically like the vice president. He was afraid that they were moving towards war. He actually had a special plane built and flew into Scotland to try and meet with a guy who was an aristocrat that he had met with before because he wanted to talk to he wanted to talk to Churchill about suing for peace because Churchill would not have a discussion at all, even though Hitler had asked over and over and over again. The problem with Hitler is you couldn't believe him. But he kept making these deals and then as soon as you dropped your guard,

Starting point is 00:26:21 he'd go in and kill you. So I get it. Like the guys, he's not a sweet person. But yeah, there's all kinds of atrocities that occurred during that time. Plus, there were, did you, what was the other one that, and these are things that like nobody knows about. Like there was a ship that was full of Jews that were coming from Europe that tried to come to the United States. And the United States said, no, no, no, no, no, no. You've got 4,000 Jews on that ship or something. We're absolutely not interested. Turn it around.

Starting point is 00:26:52 Turn it around. Turn it around. Turn it around. Eventually they had to go back to Germany, went back to Germany, landed, and ended up, all ended up in concentration camps. what happened to, you know, bring us your, bring us your poor, bring us your, you know, these things like, we were an isolationist country at that point. We were like, hey, leave a, that's, that's their problem. You know, although honestly, it did put America into a great position globally at that time. And I mean, it shifted our, the power base of the world power base to America at that time. But regardless, you know, those are all things that don't, that nobody ever talks about. Like, Like war in general is brutal. You know, these are brutal people, brutal times. Brutal things have to happen.

Starting point is 00:27:40 So, but okay, so we were, yeah, we were talking about World War II and how these horrific things happened. So how, but so let's let's go back to all of the, the events that led up to, I have. I hate the segue there, bro. It's a horrible segue. It's fucking horrible. Well, y'all were talking about Antifa, right? I feel like that's the same. Yeah, bro, that's horrible.

Starting point is 00:28:13 It's, I mean, it's, we were talking about fascism and Antifa and all that. That's a horrible segment. Oh, yeah. Okay, now I know, fascism. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll probably trim down a little bit of those stories and try to, if you're going to roll with fascism Yeah, yeah, I think that the comparison in fascism had had it not had not been connected to had it not been connected to the Holocaust, then it probably wouldn't have this horrific because people

Starting point is 00:28:44 loved, they loved fascism up until World War II and the Holocaust. And then it got this, it was got that connection and then it was over. I'm going to give you my opinion on this. Okay. Okay. So I think the reason why fascism is so, has such a bad, from the both left and the right, that's the only thing the left and the right agree on is fascism is bad. I think it's because during the time Mussolini, Hitler, and, you know, when that was in the 30s,

Starting point is 00:29:12 is that they arrested the bankers, right? And they shut down central banks in Germany. And I think it was in, I can't remember the other country. But several countries, they shut down the central banks. Italy was one of them, but there was another one too. I can't remember the other one, but it's all in that area of Europe. But they shut down these banks and they arrested the Rothschilds. Okay.

Starting point is 00:29:31 When you arrest the Rothschilds, which are still like the richest family in the universe, you start stepping on toes, right? And when you cause the international banks to lose so much money because if you're shutting down banks in Europe, big banks in Europe, that that's when I think they started to get upset. Oh, we got to get rid of this fascism thing because of shutting down banks and now we're losing billions of dollars. So I think that's why they started shifting towards.

Starting point is 00:29:56 We got to start making this ideology. Even though it was looked at as like ultra-nationalism, we have to make this ideology distasteful in people's mouths. And I think that's when it started to change. But yeah, the Holocaust didn't help. I think the initial thing, though, was the resting the Rothschilds and messing with the international banks. Okay.

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Starting point is 00:31:07 I've been there, but I can't remember. They've got like the, like the, like when you go to wash your hands. Like a swastika or something? No, I'm just kidding. No. It's a gas, it's a gas, a gas pump. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, you know, you pull, you can, you, you, you, you, oh, you turn it and it's a gas pump and it's got a big tire. And then, like, the, the, the urinals are big, like, 50 gallon and drums. It's like a mechanic shop. It is. It looks like a mechanic. Like, it's like, everything's made out. It's super, super cool. They have, they have like a model T up, always in the, um, yeah, somewhere over the bar. The food is good, too, yeah. Yeah, the food is great. But I was think to myself, like, this guy was, he was a huge anti-Syelite. Yeah. I'm like, and now. And now. And now.

Starting point is 00:31:50 there's four there's like nobody ever says that like they're you're taking down statues of of you know robert e lee and you got forward yeah i mean there's so many things like that that it's like we had the jfk files came out and in those files it showed that uh he said that hitler was the stuff of legends and that he believes that when the all the hatred for hitler is over they're going to realize that he was actually a good person jfk so i'm like man jfk maybe that's why they killed him i don't know Yeah, I think there's probably another reason. But yeah, I know I can't wait till people go through and just tear that whole thing apart and find out. Not that I can't imagine you would keep the truth.

Starting point is 00:32:32 I can't imagine you would keep any record of whatever really happened. We'll probably just never know. So, okay, so you're thinking that it's a whole, the bankers are behind it. I think the bankers are behind everything. Okay. I think everything that is, it's manipulated. by the interest of the international bankers. Oh my gosh, what's the guy?

Starting point is 00:32:55 I forget his name. I won't get his name right. Anyway, you might know him. He's a little guy like us. He's a billionaire. And he does these, he does these, whatever, big conferences and stuff where he gets up and talk to Pena or something like that. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:33:12 Talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he might be right. You know, he's horribly crass. But I love that there's a woman. who gets up and kind of confronts him and starts yelling about a global warming. And he says, listen, it's a fraud. It's a biggest fraud that's ever been perpetrated on society.

Starting point is 00:33:29 And she's like, you know, and she's screaming at him. He's like, listen, he's like, do you think that if that was true, you'd be able to get a loan on a piece of land or business anywhere in Florida? Since I was in, I've told my wife this multiple times, when I was in school, we had, we had our science books, talked about how by the year 2000, it was like 50% of Florida would be gone. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:56 They've been saying that for decades. They've been saying that for 50 years. I've been here and it's like, how foolish are you that you believe? First of all, the planet is constantly heating up and cooling. That's with us, without us. We are probably so irrelevant in the grand scheme. But the fact is for you to continually believe that in the next 10 years, or 50 years or whatever.

Starting point is 00:34:21 I don't know about you, but it's cold as fuck right now in Florida. You know, there's all those TikToks that come out and said, look, Trump just became president. He already fixed global warming. It's snowing in Florida. They had nine inches of snow in North Florida.

Starting point is 00:34:33 Yeah, it's crazy. It's nuts. Like, you can't, you can't determine what's happening with time. And you certainly can't believe that people writing these books, and you certainly can't believe the press. Did you see the thing that just came out

Starting point is 00:34:44 where there's a whistleblower that says that Kamala Harris was given all the questions to the debate with Trump prior to that. I saw that. That's why she was so, she was good during the debates. But on a regular interview, she sucks.

Starting point is 00:34:59 Right. That's why she wouldn't go on Joe Rogan. Yep. She's not going to talk to Joe Rogan. And he probably, honestly, Rogan, I think, would have been very fair. He would have probably asked her just like,

Starting point is 00:35:08 and he was, he was like, yeah, I just want to get to know her. I'm not going to, I'm not here to, you know, I'm not trying to ambush her or anything. I'm trying to have a conversation. Rogan would have been the most fair, but obviously, like you said,

Starting point is 00:35:18 she would have been ambushed with. with questions that she's not ready to answer. Yeah, even if a simple question, how do you plan on fixing, you know, whatever, the cost of food or this and that? She just doesn't have a plan. She can't answer it. And I don't know that, I don't know that Trump's going to fix any of that either. I mean, I think I've said this multiple times. I think that the economy is in a lot of trouble and it's going down.

Starting point is 00:35:38 And it's like a building that's coming down. It's like, who's best to bring the building down? Like, are we going to, is it going to just topple over or do we have a controlled, you know, Like I think Trump, it's more of a controlled demolition. I think with Harris, it would have just tumbled over and taken out a few other buildings. But I think there's a problem with the economy. Like, houses are too expensive. Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:36:02 Food's too expensive. Okay, so, so, but let's get back to the topic. So how did you end up at the rally? Like, like, literally how did I end up or like, like, logistically? Yeah, no, I don't mean did you take a like a, a, like a. 50 or no. No. We, you know, saw that it was going to happen.

Starting point is 00:36:23 Like I said, we knew that there was going to be leftist activists that were going to follow people to their cars and attack them. And we hate that. And we wanted to go to make sure it didn't happen. Is it like you and like six other pro boys or were 30 or? Specifically, like my area, we had, I think we had around six guys that went. But proud boys in general, there was, I don't know, maybe 50. I'm not sure.

Starting point is 00:36:46 I don't know the exact numbers. We didn't coordinate with all the other guys about going. Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, did you know the other people were coming? Yeah, I knew other guys were going, but I didn't know specifically who was going. Okay. But I knew, you know, I've seen, I was hearing and seeing other guys planning on going as well.

Starting point is 00:37:01 So you guys didn't meet up in the woods in a big tent and plan out the- Blueprints of the Capitol and, you know, guys in fatigues now. Yeah, I watched the whole, I watched one of the videos was, it was American, it was American, it was American, it was American insurrection or something, insurrection. And I just, yeah, I just thought to myself, this is not coordinated. This is not a coordinated thing. And this is a bunch of guys, even when the barricades came down. Like these guys, it's not, they're not flooding in. There was tons of people like the barricades came to.

Starting point is 00:37:32 People are, when people are just standing there. You know what I'm saying? There's very few people that were. And there were some people that were like, hey, yeah, this is wrong. You know, people are being pushed around. You're knocking out windows. Like, this is, you know, they didn't want to be a part of that. And I think the bulk of those people that were,

Starting point is 00:37:46 there didn't that's not what they no one intended on that happened yeah well no one intended in that so so what happened you guys so you do you meet up with your six guys there are you noticing other guys are there yeah there's i mean there's like 200,000 people there but we were alone basically though we stayed in our own group we're just walking around kind of just patrolling the streets seeing if any any left us were going to start attacking people um we were far away from the capital we didn't even go to the trump speech my guys so we didn't go but we heard that he was going to be at the Capitol. So that's why we went to see what was going on because we heard we saw everyone moving over

Starting point is 00:38:21 there. But we weren't, our plans weren't to go there. We were going to go to like Black Lives Matter Square or whatever it's called because we know they hang out there and they start like, you know, antagonizing people. That's where we were headed until we heard that there was like some commotion at the capital. Like, oh, let's go see. So we went there.

Starting point is 00:38:36 And I'll tell you, the police were the ones that instigated the entire thing. Everyone, I was around 10,000 people and everyone was peaceful, seeing the national anthem. You know, I'm sorry, people were singing the national anthem and were, maybe people were cursing and stuff. But it wasn't like that we were just rushing the gates and trying to attack cops. One thing led to another, we see cops all, like, lining up on like the little bridge there, whatever it is. And they have paintball guns and they're starting throwing flashbangs or shooting us. This is before anything started. Everyone was like, what the hell is going on?

Starting point is 00:39:09 People are getting shot in the face of paintballs, flashbangs going off. I have the video of all this. That's when it started escalating and where people started to like rush the gates. start rushing police officers because they instigated him. Nobody was causing any violence. They're the ones that started it. The DOJ knows that, but they pushed this narrative like we went there with the intention to take over the

Starting point is 00:39:26 capital and commit violence. It was absolutely firsthand experience. The cops initiated the entire thing. So, okay, so once, did you go that you went there after his speech ended? Yeah. Okay, but you didn't hear the speech? I did not hear the speech. We were not there.

Starting point is 00:39:43 I don't know if any problems were there. I know people were there. But my group, my group was not there, no. So you guys go there. By the time you got there, had the front, had the barricades come, come down? Yes. Yeah. I didn't know, I didn't even know the barricades.

Starting point is 00:39:58 Like, blocking it because I didn't see it. We just saw, you know, 15,000 people walking. We just started walking with them. Yeah, no, they were beliterated. I mean, it's funny. It's not like they fell down and stayed down. They were thrown all around. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:08 And there was, there was garbage or, I don't know, garbage, but there was debris in different spots all over the place. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because you'd have one guy screaming and hollering at the cops and you'd have, you know, there's a thousand guys standing around them just standing at the barricade, but there's one guy who's like just in it in the cop's face yelling and screaming. And they're there with the right ear. They're just standing there just staring at them saying nothing and the guys are screaming. They're saying all kinds of crazy stuff. But most people didn't. They just, you know, were just there.

Starting point is 00:40:42 And it's funny because in the, I watched one of these was from vice. They're the worst. And they would show, this is what I didn't get, because I'm, you know, I was trying to get like clarification. And they would show someone on film screaming. And then they would, you know, they do the whole, you know, they freeze the guy's face. And then they mentioned what he was charged with. But I didn't see the guy had, not all of them. Some of them definitely, I could see like, hey, this guy's breaking windows.

Starting point is 00:41:11 This guy definitely, you know, jumped over a barricade, whatever. But for the most part, they never show what any of these guys. did. So I'm wondering, how do you know what they did? Like, how do you know that this, how do you know to charge this guy with anything? I can see him walking in a crowd. Like I'm thinking, maybe he must have done something inside. But I watched the whole thing and there's never a video of this guy inside. The DOJ has CCTV cameras all around the Capitol. So that's how they got, you know, the videos of what people did. So the vice is not showing you everything. They're, you know, just trigger-picking what videos that look good for their documentary. Right. Okay. Um,

Starting point is 00:41:46 I actually didn't think that the documentary was, was, if there are better images, I didn't think the documentary was horrific because I'm watching it. I'm like, okay, this guy was charged with something. Okay. And I'm kind of trying to remember his name and waiting for to see what happened. And then I never seen anything else. So by the end of the documentary, I was like, I don't understand how this guy, this guy got charged. Some of these guys that they're showing on film are getting charged. I'm not seeing what they did.

Starting point is 00:42:15 So I wonder why they wouldn't have given If there's if that footage exists I'm wondering why They didn't give that footage to to To um to vice to to use in the in the documentary Some of them absolutely like there are some guys there that are listen They're knocking out windows they're pushing guards they're doing all kinds of stuff So I'm thinking yeah bro what are you doing?

Starting point is 00:42:36 Like that's like you know it's you know it's not acceptable that's not exactly you can't be doing that So yeah you should be charged with something I don't know what you get charged with for that you know I don't know, are these, or I guess they are police officers or security guards? They're cops, they're cops. So it is, you're assaulting a police officer at that point. But they're also, they were also charged with whatever the other crime, where they, so you're saying there is no charge, no, no actual federal charge of insurrection? There is, there, it exists.

Starting point is 00:43:03 It's a real charge. Okay. But nobody was charged with insurrection. So what is it? What they charge people with that was related to a riot was civil disorder. So you're involved engaged in a riot and you obstruct. a police officer. That's basically what they charge everyone for the right itself. But they also, here's the big one that, I don't know if you remember this, it's 1512. It's U.S. Code 1512, right?

Starting point is 00:43:25 And it's obstruction of an official proceeding. So that is a law that was created in like the 1800s to prevent someone like messing with an election integrity back when, you know, elections were all by hand and people could, you know, it's 1800s, right? That's an old law. And they charged everyone with that. And it was like carries like a 20-year sentence. It's ridiculous. They said we obstructed Congress doing their job, right? So in July of last year, Supreme Court heard that case and said, hey, I think it was Gorsuch, said that, hey, this is a... Doesn't apply.

Starting point is 00:43:57 This doesn't apply to what you guys are charging people with. This is a way overreach. So they knocked it down. So they had to remove that charge from... I got charged with that too. Right. From all the cases. So it took away their heavy charge of 20 years and it dropped it down to like a regular

Starting point is 00:44:12 felony of a civil disorder, like a five-year sentence. Right. Right. But there was also another one, seditious conspiracy, which is they're saying that like the pro boys oathkeepers, we were planning in the, you know, the woods like you were saying with combat boots and, you know, walkie talkies. Right. But there was no insurrection charge. Yeah. If there was no one was charged with that. If there was a plan, it was not well executed. Yeah. So, oh, listen, I'm going to bring up two movies here in a minute. because I love this stuff. But in the movies, they were much better at this than you guys. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:47 So what did you do at once you guys got to the Capitol? What did you do? You just walked in to see what's going on? Yeah, because most people are walking around like this. I've never been to the Capitol. I've been to D.C. before, but I've never been inside the Capitol, even around the Capitol. So I just walked around. I was looking around, you know, like just at everything.

Starting point is 00:45:04 I didn't know where I was going. I had no direction. There's, you know, there was, think 800 people in there or something like. like that. So I'm just following other people talking, talking to people, seeing people I know. I'm like, oh, what's up, dude? You know, I didn't run in call. I didn't break anything. I didn't attack any police officers. The, the DOJ during my sentencing earlier this month, I was in D.C., they said that I was a physical with a police officer. So the judge is like, let me see the video. You know what physical meant that a, I like brushed arms with a police officer?

Starting point is 00:45:34 Basically, not in purpose. Like, I'm like walking by walking by and we brushed arms. That's the kind of little things that the DOJ does to exaggerate and make it seem like there's some violent person. So all over the news, they're saying at some point Nathan was physical police officers. Well, so you make me look bad, but the actual thing was me like rubbing my arm against a police officer. Right. On accident, no intent to hurt this person. So, and I don't know what was going with that.

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Starting point is 00:46:40 What am I thinking? It's the capital, right? It's the capital. The Senate chambers, the Congress. Right. I don't know where I was. I don't know the direction that I went. I was walking through the hallways, walking past offices and stuff.

Starting point is 00:46:51 I had no idea where I was going. By the time that you got there, were there people like guarding the doors? Or was it pretty much just like, hey. No, there were cops standing by the doors. They were doing like, there were cops standing by the doors. And they were doing like a semi, you know, every, everyone get out. Everyone needs to get out. You know, everyone needs to get out.

Starting point is 00:47:09 But it wasn't like there's, you know, there were riot cops standing. Eventually, after like maybe a half hour, a bunch of riot cops came out and they were trying to push everyone out. That's when they started getting physical and using their shields to push everyone out. But initially, I saw cops like in a hall. I was talking to cops in Hallways. They were just standing there where people were just discussing talking about, you know, how messed up the election was, things like that. I didn't, in the Capitol, I didn't see one police officer attacked or hit or anything. It was just like, cops kind of knew.

Starting point is 00:47:34 All right, it's kind of out of control now, but there's nothing we can do. Let's just wait until this is over. So yeah, it was much more peaceful than they're trying to make it, make it appear. So what, well, I mean, you're saying like you didn't have an actual, you guys didn't have an actual conversation. What do you think that it's so, it's so, you know, I hate to say it. Do you ever hear George, George Carlson? Carlin, Carlin, George Carlin? I think it's George Carlin, where he explains, he's like, you know, you don't, in order for there to be a conspiracy.

Starting point is 00:48:08 you don't have a have to have a formal consensus, right? Yeah. As long as all of your goals are in line with one another, right? So we don't have to get together and have a conversation as long as our, all of our goals are this. And I think that that's kind of the consensus of the government as far as conspiracies are concerned. But even within your group, you didn't have a conversation. No. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:48:35 It's not like a- I was separated from my group. Oh, okay. Yeah. Were you with your dad? Yeah, my dad was there, but we got separated. So I walked in, I got in, and they were still outside. So I went in, they went around wherever they went, and they walked in through open doors.

Starting point is 00:48:48 There's a video of it. They just literally walked in through open doors. And there was no consensus. It was just unfolding so rapidly. We didn't really know what was going on. I was just like, oh, my God, like this is crazy. Like, I'm in the capital right now. And there was no consensus or plan to do it.

Starting point is 00:49:05 The government, like you said, has this idea that, everyone had the idea to go in there and stop the election of Joe Biden. Right. Are you? By that point it had already happened. Yeah. I think it was like 2.14 or something that the initial breach and they did it at like noon. Right.

Starting point is 00:49:20 He, he, um, the vice president had already, I think it's certified the election. Yeah. Right. It's what it's called like. And I guess Trump was hoping that he wouldn't certify it. But, you know, you're being presented with, you're being presented with documents that appear to be perfectly legit, regardless of whether. they are or not or it comes out later. This is what seems legit. These are these senators have signed off on this or

Starting point is 00:49:42 their governor, whatever. Everybody's signed off that's supposed to sign off like I'm not sure what he was supposed to do. You know, you may have a different opinion, but I'm not sure like if my job entails that I have to make sure that all of these are are certified and signed by the proper people and they are. Well, then that that happens. Then I have to say that this is this is the result of the election. Then that's what I have to do. You know, that's it. So I don't think, at least I can speak from my group, but I can speak probably a lot of people. No one had the intention of going there to stop Mike Pence from certifying the election. First of all, I didn't even know they were doing that or had done that right then and there. I didn't know what time they were doing that, right?

Starting point is 00:50:20 And I know that it's impossible to stop that. You're not, what do we, do we did, or is the DOJ? I know they're not under the, I'm just a rhetorical question. Do they think that we're that stupid that we are going to occupy the capital, take over the government for the next four years until we bring Trump back? That's a ridiculous notion. That's the, that's what they. pushed. And like you said earlier, if we plan to do this, it was poorly executed, but if we really did, it would have been way worse. It would have been way worse. If it really, it was a real plan to do it and the government would have intervened before it happened. Yeah, but not just that, you know, let's face it, if you're, if you're, if this is part of the plan, I'm bringing

Starting point is 00:50:54 weapons. Exactly. Exactly. I'm not going to, exactly. Exactly. This isn't going to, I'm not going to, and, and push a bunch of capital police officers with my hands when they're fully armed. Like that's, and I don't see anybody pulling weapons. or doing anything like that. One of my good friends was, he's on video walking around with a beer and a cigarette. Really, you're taking over the Capitol with a beer and a cigarette? I mean, it looks cool, but come on.

Starting point is 00:51:18 Oh, yeah, there are guys that are live streaming. There are guys that are doing everything. The one guy comes with the horns and sits down and everything. Like, stop it. That's not how you're taking over the Capitol. Yeah. It's an iconic look. It's an iconic look.

Starting point is 00:51:30 Yeah, listen, it's a great photo off, but it's not. Listen, for one thing, if you were going to have that meeting, And this guy said, yeah, this is what I'm wearing tomorrow. It would be like, no, you're not. We're sending you home. Yeah. Go change, come back. This is not a look we want to go with.

Starting point is 00:51:45 You've got the shirt off. His face painted or whatever it was. But I was just said, did you see the movie? Oh, God, come on. Civil War. Civil War. Obviously, you didn't see it. I already know you didn't see it because if you'd seen it, you'd been like, yes.

Starting point is 00:52:05 Yeah, but I'm thinking, I know there's a Marvel movie called Civil War. No, this is, this is, are you serious? How old is this movie? How old is this movie? It just came out? Yes. It was.

Starting point is 00:52:15 Can I look this up? Let me look this up real quick. You didn't see it. I'm telling you right. I know you didn't see it. I don't know. If it came out last year, I didn't see it. No.

Starting point is 00:52:22 The overall premise is that. And this is how it's like so, it's so convoluted, which bothers me. It's so like, this is obviously this is a year ago, right? This is before the election. And this is when everybody, we did a video called talking about a potential civil war which got, did you ask them to review that?

Starting point is 00:52:45 I got to watch them. I want to watch them so I can tell our lady this part, you know, whatever. Great, because we could repost that at some point. Oh, all right, forget. I don't think. I'll leave this question in here because I think people watching,

Starting point is 00:53:01 I feel like if they see a repost, they'll, you know. They get upset? Yeah. like, bro, what's going on? But it got limited. You don't know anything about YouTube, probably, but... Not really.

Starting point is 00:53:12 So we have videos that get fully monetized, and we have some to get limited monetization, which is basically, might as well, we typically say demonetized, okay? Because you get, if you were going to make a dollar, you're now making like 15 cents. So it's basically useless. That video, because we talked about a potential civil war, it got demonetized. They got limited of monetization. Like it was, and there was nothing in that video.

Starting point is 00:53:39 Like, this conversation right here, there's about it, depending on what magic Colby does, there's probably 50% chance. This thing gets, you know, we've already mentioned some horrible things

Starting point is 00:53:50 that YouTube doesn't want anything to do with or talk even, even just like this, this episode here, a 50% chance. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:56 Wow. Even though he'll, sorry. Colby will go in and beep out all kinds of stuff and he'll do all kinds of stuff. But in that movie, what happens is, listen to the premise of the movie.

Starting point is 00:54:07 Is it California and Texas? And I want to say maybe Florida? I forget, break off and they try and separate from the United States. Can you imagine California and Texas decide they're going to form their own country? Florida and Texas, but not California. Oh, yeah, exactly. That I get. And I figure they call what they called their thing.

Starting point is 00:54:33 They want to separate. there's a president in, but you don't know, he's, and he's serving his third term. See what I'm saying? So they're trying to do a whole. There's some parallels that are trying to draw here. Yes. And so what happens is, obviously the California, Texas thing, they break off, well, there's a civil war. And they're, they've been winning, and they're actually entering the capital.

Starting point is 00:54:59 And so I would say out of the budget of the movie, which I think is pretty good. I think, I want to say it's like 40 or 50 million, because I remember thinking this is, let's say, 80% of the movie is just not great, right? I mean, not that it's not great. It's okay. It's just not what you expect. Like, I'm not expecting a lot more battle. It's not. There's some little skirmishes here and there in towns and stuff.

Starting point is 00:55:21 But when they get to the Capitol where these guys are coming in the Capitol, it's a great movie. Like, it becomes really good. I have to watch it. I mean, I watch it tonight probably. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're having trouble falling asleep, you're waking up sweating in the middle of the night or all of the above. That's where ghost bed can help. As the makers of the coolest beds in the world, ghost bed is your go-to for cooling mattresses, cooling pillows, and cooling bedding.

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Starting point is 00:56:55 These are the conservatives and liberal or it's not like that. You really, it's very ambiguous. is you don't know who's what. You just, you have no con, but, but it's interesting what's happening, how people reacting in small towns. And one of the scenes is these people stumble into a small town where they get grabbed hold of by a National Guard unit or something. And apparently there's a, there's a fraction of them who have, essentially, they've dug

Starting point is 00:57:19 a huge ditch and it's filled with bodies. Like, they're just cleaning house. And of course, it's a bunch of white guys doing this horrific thing because, you know, it can't be the reverse. Yeah, of course not. Yeah. So that's what's acceptable. And, of course, they execute a one or two guys during that time.

Starting point is 00:57:37 And that is, that's a kind of a troubling scene. But the movie overall, it's interesting. It could have been probably great if they had really made the distinctions. You know what I mean? But they didn't want to take that on. That's one movie. It's kind of implied, though. If all the white guys are doing the bad stuff, it's kind of implied.

Starting point is 00:57:57 Yeah, well, you have to. But you, I don't know, but you don't, here's the problem. You don't know which, which, who that is though. You don't know is that the Texas California's coming in or is that the American military? You, that's the whole thing. When you get there, you don't know. All right. So I'll watch it and then I'll, I'll try to formulate an opinion on.

Starting point is 00:58:15 Yeah. It's pretty good. I go to shave probably 15 minutes off the movie and it could have been, there could have been some better stuff. But yeah, it was, it was pretty good. That was one movie and I can't remember what the other movie was. Either way, these were well formulated. I think the other one is, you ever see, come on, Matt, it's called a Handmaid's Tale. No, I've seen the, like, clips of it where these women are dressed in, like, red, like, red dresses and stuff.

Starting point is 00:58:44 Are you serious? What do you do? I don't watch movies that much. I don't watch movies that much. First of all, it's a- I have a toddler, to be fair. It's a series. It's not a movie.

Starting point is 00:58:52 It's a series, and it is a phenomenal series. It's on Hulu, which nobody has. it probably would be out of business by the end of this podcast. But the point is is that it's a great series. And what happens is, and I love that they base it all on things, current events, where it's basically like, because this is really happening. I'm sure you've heard this, that, you know, male testosterone is dropping dramatically over the last 50 years, right?

Starting point is 00:59:17 Like we're, and we're not producing kids as much. We're not like, there's all kinds of things. And it's funny because if you ever watch like scientists and stuff, you always hear about how overpopulation, the truth. is we've got about another 10 years of expansion, maybe 20, and then our population's going to start taking a complete nosedive. Right. Just statistically.

Starting point is 00:59:37 So the whole, oh, we're going to use up our resources. No, no, we're going to have, in 50 years, we're going to have a major fucking problem in not just this country, everywhere, because other countries are already starting to shrink. So, but what they say is, look, that basically women stop being able to have children. This is what the show is about. Yeah. And that's what sparks. The United States, there is a coup, a military coup in the United States.

Starting point is 01:00:02 They take over and they start going through system. And they drop back to a very, very radicalized Christian fundamentalists that pull things from the Old Testament. And they come up with this religion that sweeps the country and they execute. tons of people. People are fleeing to Canada, believe it or not. So they're fleeing to Canada and, of course, most people don't flee at all because they get caught here. Right. And, but, but they end up breaking it the whole society into, you know, women make up three different, there's like three classes of women. There's men. There are certain families that have, that are part of like this group that's running the whole thing and it women can't learn to read and write.

Starting point is 01:00:58 Like it's a whole thing. And the women that can still have children become handmaids. So if you're a member of the government and you have a wife that you love and you're a prominent member of the government, then you get to have a handmade and you get to get her pregnant, the old fashioned way, and she has babies for you. And then she has a baby and goes to another family. And that's how having children. Now, most of the world is disgusted by what's happening, but after a few years, they come to grips with our population. Like, Mexico comes and they're like, how are you, why are you willing to deal with the American or this, whatever, I forget the name of the country, well, why are you dealing that? They're like, we haven't had a child born in our country in 15 years.

Starting point is 01:01:41 Wow. We're devastated. So, but it's about being a handmade and the whole thing. And listen, and super interesting. But the whole thing... I think my wife has watched it all, bro. I've seen clips of it, yeah. But it's how they take over. It talks about how they take over and that sort of thing.

Starting point is 01:01:56 Let's aside. Great movie. Anyway. You might hate it. I've seen a lot of, I love it. I mean, leftist women online complaining about it.

Starting point is 01:02:04 Like, oh my God, Trump is going to turn everything into the handmaid's tail. It's so ridiculous. I love that. Like, because that's what he did last time. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:10 Yeah. All right. So let's get back to this. I'm sort of sure Colby's going to be like, this motherfucker all over the whole. So you come in, you walk around, you have an unguided tour of the Capitol. What happens? At what point do you ever get arrested or you just go home?

Starting point is 01:02:28 No, we went home after that. Once we realized that there's a bunch of riot cops, like surrounding us, we're like, all right, we'll leave. On that issue. Yeah. So we walked out on our own and we walked back to our hotel and went to the airport. Did you break anything? No. Did you take anything?

Starting point is 01:02:47 there's some nice paintings. Didn't take it, didn't break it. And we just went back to hotel. We actually went to Applebee's after that. Had a couple bruise and then went back to hotel and then went home the next day. That was basically what I'm telling you is basically the full extent of what happened, at least from my group. I mean, are you at, when you go into the capital, are you, you're not, are you thinking anything? I'm in awe at that point.

Starting point is 01:03:13 I'm like, oh my God, this is like historic. like there's a there's a protest inside the capital a part of this like it's just so crazy it's so cool are you know i was just looking around like looking at the the statues and the paintings and you know it was just history i'm like this is really cool do you have any conversations with your buddies like yeah they're they're going to recertify it or this not there nothing about that zero about that before during after zero conversations about any kind of interruption in the uh the election It's just like, hey, this is just insanity. I can't believe that this just happened.

Starting point is 01:03:47 Yeah, that's exactly what it was. You go to Applebee's, you have some chicken fajitas. Mazzarell sticks. No. Mazzarell sticks and beer. And then you guys, what, you drive all the way back to Florida? No, we drove to. I think our flight was out of Virginia or Baltimore or something.

Starting point is 01:04:07 I was, what about there? I don't know why I pictured a convoy. I figured. No, yeah. Like Humveys. Humveys are blacked out. SUVs or some Toyotas with the uh with the hillocks the Toyota Hillocks yeah with a little machine in the back the 50 cow um so you fly back we flew back we were nervous like going back to the airport

Starting point is 01:04:26 and even going back to the hotel we're like oh man we're nervous like because we're hearing people already getting arrested like at the airport and stuff people were getting picked up already so we're like oh man this is we're going to get arrested so it was uh it was a little scary at first um but i mean that was that was basically it we flew back well i mean what did you I'm assuming you didn't get a letter in the mail asking for you to stop by the FBI office. No, no. I months went by. I was always kind of nervous about it.

Starting point is 01:04:53 Like, oh, man, maybe I'm going to get caught. But I had a mask on the whole time. Like, maybe I'm not, you know. And months went by and. So you feel like you've done something wrong. If you're feeling like that, you feel like that. Well, listen, my opinion, I did nothing wrong. Right.

Starting point is 01:05:08 I walked in. It was a protest, certain points got out of hand, certain people did things that I wouldn't have done. but it was not I didn't do it I didn't hurt anyone I was just walking around in a building that I've paid for with my tax dollars for all my adult life um the reason why I was nervous is because everyone was getting picked up so I'm like man I'm gonna get picked up for this you know I'm I'm I was nervous not because I felt like I was ashamed of it but because uh you know what if I lose my job you know what if I go to jail for you know this many years so I was nervous about that so July I think it was July 15th 2021 I'm going to work I get out of my vehicle I have

Starting point is 01:05:43 have my lunch in my hand, my briefcase, and I'm walking into the office right before I get to the doors, like 30, 30 unmarks pull up. They all get out in their gear. They get me on the ground in the parking lot. And my entire staff was watching. Other offices were watching. Like, it was just a big fiasco. You had the, you had the FBI there. You had, I think the marshals were there. You had FHP, a bunch of different other city police officers. And so I got arrested and I'm talking to them. Like, why did you guys do this at my job? I was like, was this intent? And they're like, I don't know, it's because you have history as law enforcement. So we know you have guns.

Starting point is 01:06:18 I was like, you could have surrounded my house and called me to, hey, come outside. And I would have surrendered immediately. So you didn't have to do this. But they insist. That's what it was. It was purely for safety. So yeah, I got arrested. They took me back to the FBI office in Maitland, which is near Orlando.

Starting point is 01:06:33 Tried to smooth me over like, man, you know, you're really good shape. Talk to us about what you do for your diet and workouts. And I was like, yeah, that's what I said. I was like, I look, if you're legitimately interested, I'll tell you. I was like, but if you're trying to do this, like, try to get me to interview with you, just be nice to me. I said, it's not going to work. I'm like, no, we're interested. So I'd BS with them for like 15 minutes.

Starting point is 01:06:52 Then they're like, all right, let me ask you a question about January 6th. I was like, nope. I said, we're done. Stick me to jail. It's like, all right, they took me to the federal jail in Orlando. I spent maybe like 10 hours in there, no big deal. Did they give you, I mean, they initially appoint you a public defender. Yeah, initially the first day, yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:08 And then I hired an attorney after that. What are the public defender say? Just don't say anything. Just be quiet. You're going to have a bunch of meetings. media outside. Don't say anything to them. Just let me do all the talking. And you just, when you get out, walk to your car, get a ride and go home. That's what I did. I regret it now. I wish I would have been like mean outside, but I wasn't. Like, don't say, I'd be telling the lawyer, don't say anything.

Starting point is 01:07:31 They disappointed you to me. God knows what you're going to say. Yeah. Well, they, he was cool. No, they did what he had to do. They're usually pretty good. The federal defenders. So, so what, so then you go out and a regular attorney. Yeah, a regular attorney. And he was involved already with other J-Sixers. So I got him. What's he saying? They were both on our side.

Starting point is 01:07:55 Like, this is total BS. Like, this is totally being exaggerated. If this was a leftist protest, it would have been just like a trespassing charge that you pay a certain fine. That's it. Boom, you're done. But they're overdoing this because it was related to Trump and because it was right-wingers, you know.

Starting point is 01:08:10 There's a political bias, especially in D.C. D.C. is all leftist. So they've, they've, were on our side and saying, you know, it was kind of grim at first. Like, they're like, you know, it's, you're going to get some prison time probably, and it's probably going to be, you know, in the area of, you know, two to five years. So I was preparing myself mentally for it that I was going to go to prison. But I didn't think Trump was going to win the election, to be honest with you.

Starting point is 01:08:33 Are you serious? I didn't think he was. I mean, fairly, if it was fair, yes, but I thought they were going to pull a little bait and switch and Harris was going to win. So I was not optimistic about, I was going to, I had to turn myself in March. So I knew I was going to jail, but my boy Trump came through. You say, how bad does this chick have to feel, honestly?

Starting point is 01:08:56 I mean, think about it. Like, first of all, I don't even understand. Who Harris? Harris. Like, I don't even understand the numbers. Because if you do the numbers, like, more people voted four years ago? Yeah, 15 million more. Yeah, that doesn't even, like the numbers don't even make sense.

Starting point is 01:09:14 Like, first of all, there were more Democrats 15 years old? Like, did they shift? And then if you said it or they just stayed home. Maybe they just stayed home. Have you, I think you're talking about this. There's a chart that I've seen online. It's like from Bush times. It's like 63 million.

Starting point is 01:09:31 And then it goes to Obama. And it's like, you know, 68 million. And then it goes to Obama again, 67 million. Then it goes to Trump, 67 million. Then it goes to Biden. It's like 85 million. Yeah. Then back down to.

Starting point is 01:09:44 to Kamala, 65 million. So it's like straight line almost for the last 20 years and then Joe Biden, 15 million more and then they just disappear. Well, it's not even a straight line. It's that more and more people, in general, more and more people vote every single year. But in this election, it dropped. Yeah. How is that possible?

Starting point is 01:10:03 Like that doesn't, my millions, 15 million is not possible. So that, to me, that statistic helps the idea of ballot stuffing, you know, and a rigged election. But regardless, that's irrelevant. Like, it's, it's, that's not going to be readdressed by anybody. So. And that's not the reason why I went to D.C. Right. Right. And I went there, I, I, I personally believe there was, I mean, I believe that it was, it was stolen. But let's just say, I'll say that there were, there are circumstances like that and evidence that is things that are not questions that have not been answered and everyone refused to answer them, weird things like that.

Starting point is 01:10:39 But I didn't go to D.C. on January 6th to protest that. Okay. I went there to, to, defend the people who were walking back to their cars and got caught up in a protest and then I got upset and then I started protesting because people were getting shot at and like, these are peaceful people getting shot at with paintballs and stuff. So anyway, I digress. Go ahead. Yeah. Well, no, I mean, I see that. I just think. So, so you, so once you get the lawyer, you got out on what bond, signature bond? Yeah. Or I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, signature bond. Okay. I mean, they give you, they say it's like $50,000, but you basically sign and walk out. Yeah. So you get to a lawyer, the lawyer saying you're going to do some time.

Starting point is 01:11:19 Do you feel like you should have done it? You don't feel like you should nothing? I'm sorry. You feel like you should have done some time? Heck no. I don't feel like I don't feel like I did anything. Okay. I walk through some open doors, walk through the place.

Starting point is 01:11:31 Exactly. Maybe somebody else was breaking windows and stuff. I'm just walking around. If the DOJ had been fair to begin with, because you've seen these leftists burn down these cities and they'll get a slap on the wrist. Six months probation. You threw a Maltov cocktail in a Starbucks. six months probation.

Starting point is 01:11:45 Yeah, come on. Or, you know, you threw a rock, a brick at a cop. Or we're going to give you three months incarceration and one year probation. I seen, I've had a list of it stacked up because I was trying to, you know, create this evidence that it's a political bias. Right. You know, prosecution, prosecutorial bias. And I seen this for years for like the last like eight years that antiphon all them were

Starting point is 01:12:05 doing. They were getting these baby sentences. And if the DOJ had been fair with me from the beginning and says, we're going to charge you with trespassing. we're going to offer you three months incarceration and, you know, two years probation. I'd have been like, all right, cool, you got me, fair. I'll take it. I wouldn't have complained about it.

Starting point is 01:12:22 You have guys going to prison for 22 years? Like Enrique Tario, he was sentenced to 22 years, and he wasn't even there. 17 years for this. Guys who just walked in, walked out yet, like women who are in their 70s with cancer, we're going to give him eight months incarceration, five years probation. Come on, dude. It's totally overblown. the judges were in on it because they were chastising people,

Starting point is 01:12:46 you know, hopefully you make better decisions and this and that and this. So it was overblob. That's why I feel like I shouldn't have been any time. If they were fair with me at first, I would have been like, cool, let's do it. I'm totally agree to it. But after that, I'm like, no. Screw them. What did they come to you with?

Starting point is 01:13:01 Initially seven years. So seven years initially, that was like two years ago. They offered me that. I said no. I'm like, I'm not going to take seven years. I'm not going to stay away from my kid for seven years. Right. He's not going to even know who I am by the time I get out.

Starting point is 01:13:12 And then I, like a year later, July, they dropped that big charge, the 1512. They dropped that. So now the guidelines went down. So it wasn't seven years. They said, we're going to give you up to 24 months. So I said, okay, I'll take that. So we went to sentencing January 8th. And they asked for 24 months.

Starting point is 01:13:37 The judge gave me 14 months and I had to turn myself in March. Nice. I was cool with that. I was cool with that. I said, I'll do that. That's a slap on the wrist, basically. It's, you know, compared to what everybody else is getting. Yeah, I can eat that 14 months.

Starting point is 01:13:49 But Trump came through, so. So, wait a minute, you were, that was in March, you were sentenced. Oh, sentenced in January. Oh, January? And I had to turn myself in this March. Oh, this March. Yeah, I was sentenced a couple weeks ago. Oh, I didn't realize that.

Starting point is 01:14:03 I thought you were saying, you did say last July or whatever. July, they dropped the big charge of the Supreme Court. September, I pled guilty because they changed the plea deal after that, because, oh, they don't have that big charge anymore. September changed the plea deal. I accepted it. January 8th was my sentencing a couple weeks ago. And March 8th, I had to turn myself in for 14 months.

Starting point is 01:14:22 In Coleman. I was going to go to Coleman low or the camp. Yeah, I think I said Coleman, low, which I was prepared to do. I had a bunch of friends in there. I was like, that's going to be easy, man. 14 months is easy. You went to high school, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:36 Same thing. Oh, well, that sounds. It's like a tough high school. Yeah. You know, that's, um, yeah, it's not, it's not bad, you know, there's fist fights and guys talk about each other and it's just all bullshit. It's not like going to the pin. Yeah, you would have gone there and been like, you know, guys would be like, yeah, I had friends there that we, we, I was talking to them. I'm like, yeah, well, I guess we're going to.

Starting point is 01:15:01 And some of my other friends were getting sent and sent there too. So I'm like, this is going to be really fun. Yeah. So what happened when, I mean, did, so you, you didn't think that Trump. was going to. I did not. I did not. On November, I did not. I was stressed about it. Like, man, I'm going to have to go to prison. This sucks. At the time, I didn't know what I was going to get. I knew it was going to be up to two years. Right. This is going to suck. I don't want to go to prison. But Trump won. I could not believe it. I got hammered. I think I drank until like 6 a.m.

Starting point is 01:15:29 And I just passed out and like so happy. So, I mean, did you, and he had said he was going to, he was going to pardon all the January 6ers. He, he did. I don't think he ever said those words specific. but he always alluded to, you know, I'm, I'm inclined to pardon them. Let me look at the cases. He never explicitly said it. So I was kind of like, man, maybe he's just like trying to, you know, not piss off, you know, the moderates, but also not not piss off the people who support him. Right. So I was always like, man, maybe he's going to do it a couple months in or, you know, before he leaves, you know, the presidency.

Starting point is 01:16:04 But, man, day one, dude. I can't believe it. Yeah. How did you find out? I was watching it live, dude. I was watching it live. And I sat there all day watching it. I was, you know, drinking a beer, watching it all day.

Starting point is 01:16:19 And once it came out, I think it was like 7 or 8 o'clock that he signed the pardon for 1,500 people. I was like, oh, dude, past the bottle, man. I was so excited, man. Did you get a letter or anything? Not yet. I had to apply for the actual documents a couple days ago. They sent me an email for it.

Starting point is 01:16:35 So I have to apply for it. But as of now, the pardon is real. Like, it exists. He signed it. but I'm still like, it's processing right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm not out of the woods technically. I like to have a copy. Yeah, you might want to get that framed.

Starting point is 01:16:48 Yeah. I'm going to blow it up. Yeah, I'm going to blow it up, yeah, I'm going to blow it up huge and frame it on my wall. Did you, so I have a question. When once you got, you sign out, I'm sorry, you, you, you bond out and you, you lost your job, right? That one, I didn't lose the job. I didn't, I didn't lose it. I talked to my boss and he's like, it's like, fuck them.

Starting point is 01:17:07 Like, you know, like, no, you're, I'm not, I'm not firing. So I didn't lose my job. But once I pled guilty and I became a felon, I had to quit because I couldn't be hired. I couldn't have a license through the state. So I resigned because I was going to get fired anyway. But this was only a few months ago. September. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:26 Okay. And okay. So what did you do from there? I mean, you know. My buddy, you know, through friends, I had side work. Oh, okay. I've been doing okay. Are you thinking about going back to that employer?

Starting point is 01:17:42 Like, you resign. It's not his fault. Like, he didn't. He was, he kept John that whole time. Yeah, they want me back. But I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet. I don't know what a career decision I want to pursue. But we'll see.

Starting point is 01:17:55 I'm just happy to be done with this. I was going to say, like, I was in, when Obama did the, he signed a bunch of, they weren't, they weren't pardons. They were clemencies, right? Yeah. Where he gave a bunch of, you know, these guys would get letters in the mail, you know. Some of them, their lawyers would get notified. They knew beforehand, but they would get a letter in the mail and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:18:16 Right. And they're like, they do walking around the, like, I got this in the mail, you know. Yeah. You know, I was going to say, they kind of fucked that up. The first bunch that they did, they just let them out. And these guys are coming right back to prison. Like, this guy's been locked up 15 years. You just let them out.

Starting point is 01:18:31 You can't do that. So then the second wave, they came back. They said, no, no, you have to go from the pen where you've been for 15. years, you can just let you out into society. I can't just let a rabid dog into a playground. You know what I'm saying? So then they had them go. They would actually bring them from here. They'd go to the medium for six months. Then they'd go to the low for six months. And some of them, they said, you've got to pass ARDAP first, which is a drug program. And then they let them out. And those guys had a much easier time. Someone would go to.

Starting point is 01:18:59 Transition now. Yeah, you can't just let some guy who's been, you know, fighting for his life for 15 or 20 years, especially some guy who shouldn't have been locked up at all and let him into, you know, back among the civilized people. But yeah, yeah, you got to get that letter. Yeah, I sent an email to the DOJ. I'm waiting on it. So when you, after that, here's what I'm wondering, after you did the, or got let out and you're still at work,

Starting point is 01:19:27 did you, like, why didn't you, and this may seem ridiculous. And maybe you did this. I don't know. I don't think so, though. Why didn't you start like a YouTube channel or TikTok or something? Like some of these guys have done that. Right. The reason, well, the reason why I didn't do that is because I was working there still and I didn't, even though my job, that particular office wasn't going to fire me, it was, I don't, I don't, let me say this correctly.

Starting point is 01:19:50 We're still under a certain company and that company, I never wanted them to find out because I didn't want, I don't want to be fired. So that's why I tried to lay low. I deleted social media and all that because I didn't want my name to get out there because as soon as I got arrested, the next day I had people emailing my job. like, oh my God, you have, I don't even know how they found my email. My work email. They're like, how you hire January 6ers, a violent terrorist, and I got a bunch of emails, and my boss is getting emails. So that's why I wanted to lay low.

Starting point is 01:20:18 I want to take heat off my job, and I did successfully for years. Right. So that's the reason why. Maybe I will now. Who knows? Yeah. I was going to say, we got. I would say, just to kind of follow up on that.

Starting point is 01:20:31 Like, what would you say? Because I'm sure this video will probably have some. like people that come come to the comment section are like this guy's a piece of shit yeah i've already seen the comments on the last yeah i saw a comment on another video so i know they'll probably be here it's like what would you say to you know those people uh i don't care i don't i really don't care what you think uh if you're if you're mad at me um you can go fuck yourself sorry yeah i i you know the problem is is that the comment section there are already people that have made their minds up.

Starting point is 01:21:05 And it doesn't matter if you explain the situation to them. They've decided that you're a scumbag. I mean, look, I did 13 years in prison. You know what I'm saying? Committed a ton of fucking bank fraud. And I get, you know, and even though out of all my victims, the bulk of them are banks, there's, I think I have like four individual victims, people that lost money.

Starting point is 01:21:30 like a doctor who had to pay like 12 grand to a lawyer to because I I changed his title. So he had to go through the courts to change that. And by all means, you know, absolutely, you know, it was a scumbag thing I made to do. Absolutely. He didn't do anything wrong. So he certainly didn't bring it on himself. His biggest mistake was that he just happened to cross my path. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:49 You know, does that make me a scumbag? Yeah, it makes me a scumbag, you know. But I get people in the comments who will apparently watch the video and say that I stole from old people that, like, Like they, in their mind, they've got an entire narrative that never happened. Yeah. And I realized, it took me a little bit to realize, like, there's some people that you, it doesn't matter if you show them the facts and really explain the situation to them. They've made their mind up and they've made that decision. And there's nothing you can say.

Starting point is 01:22:18 Absolutely. So, you know, I feel bad for those people. And, you know, that's all you can, you know, that's your take on it. And there's nothing I can say to change your mind. And I'm at, I'm at, you're 100% right. I'm at the point, though, that I don't really care. Like, if you don't like me, you're mad at me. I can care less if you are.

Starting point is 01:22:35 I'm just a regular guy. I have a wife. I have a son. I was a cop for, you know, nine years. And I've been a good, a good, upstanding citizen, you know. And that, to me, was a patriotic day. And I'm not going to let people shame me into, like, you know, being reclusive and hiding and stuff.

Starting point is 01:22:53 I'm not going to hide. I have nothing to hide. So, hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. By the way, I'm going to leave Nate's. email address in the description box if you want to reach out to him. Also, we're going to leave our Patreon. There's a whole chunk that we left out that Colby said, I talked too much,

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