Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - UFO EXPERT REVEALS WHY THEY ARE HIDING ALIENS ( EXTREMELY VIVID FIRST HAND EXPERIENCES )

Episode Date: October 15, 2023

UFO EXPERT REVEALS WHY THEY ARE HIDING ALIENS ( EXTREMELY VIVID FIRST HAND EXPERIENCES )

You know, this whole thing started for me again when I was younger. It's not just like you hear a voice in your head like where there's a question about it. Like you feel through your entire body. And this is something we can call like a telepathic lock on. So I heard he can see us. And, you know, as I heard that, I saw this almost what you can call a shadow entity. But it was almost scintillating like it had a mild glow to it. And it collapsed into an orb.

So I get in my car and within a few hundred feet of me driving, right in the, sky sent right dead center in the sky there's just a fireball there and in my mind i think holy shit that's a ufo as soon as i think that it starts to move the the crash occurs and all of a sudden i'm face to face with like a light being right for for whatever reason the first impression that i got when i saw this this entity was that it was not separate from myself i saw the past the present in the future kind of as like one thing and then right after that it flipped

into me being above the scene of the accident and I'm like I'm thinking so this is it huh I'm thinking that I'm dead and I was just I was totally cool with it like I felt totally at peace just like there wasn't like a regret

or care like oh no it was just like totally fine it was like the most blest out thing equanimity I just felt perfectly at peace. There's a whole other system of government and bureaucracy that is going on and has been going on for over 100 years on this subject that has compartmentalized itself in such a way as to keep it from scrutiny from those people that believe we're living in an open, transparent democracy. When they learn about this and they learn this is true. this is publicly acknowledged officially is not that other entities exist and they're interacting

with us yeah that's kind of like wow that's amazing but they have to come to terms that they've been lied to right their government lied to them intentionally to keep this away from them so what else somebody's fucking watching us we're being watched by higher intelligence and what the hell are they thinking we're doing hey this is matt cox and i am here with james ion doli and And I watched him on a podcast the other day, and he's got a really interesting UFO story and kind of an, and I'm going to say alien interaction story, but I could be wrong on the specifics of that. So I'm sure he'll correct me. So check out the video. I really appreciate it.

You know, this whole thing started for me again when I was younger. And, you know, these experiences, I don't want to say like necessary. necessarily that they were alien right i don't know exactly what they were um but my early experiences happened when i was just a kid and like literally in my room and uh you know the the whole way it started was um what is kind of like jarring right because the first um instant i noticed anything was i i heard um a voice like and it's not just like you hear a voice like you hear a voice in your head like where there's a question about it like you feel through your entire body and this is something we can call like a telepathic lock on so I heard um he can see us and you know as

I heard that I saw this um like almost what you can call a shadow entity but it was um it was almost scintillating like it had a mild glow to it and and it collapsed into an orb and I was absolutely frightened, you know, because I'm maybe five or six years old when this is happening. And I literally just, you know, put the covers over myself and I'm trying to hide. That happened maybe a dozen times when I was younger. So because of and, and other than that, I had spontaneous what people call out of body experiences. And, you know, back back then, I didn't associate the two together they just seem to be different experiences in retrospect now looking back after i've been involved in the research for so many years uh you know there there actually seems to be a connection

to all that like all these experiences so can i ask a question real quick so when you're five or six years old like was there any any interaction or contact other than them just saying he can hear he can see us i heard i heard it was it's it's really hard to explain um I heard, like, it almost sounds like gibberish, but you could, it, it interprets through your body somehow. That's the only way I can say it. You mentioned the movie, um, the knowing, yeah. The knowing, which was a great movie.

Whoever, I don't think that whoever made that movie just like made that, they either did really, really intricate research or they hadn't experienced themselves because that, the way they, that whisper thing happens was exactly. Like, I got chills when I saw that movie. And that's the same kind of thing, right? Like, we hear UFO and we think aliens. But even in that movie, the way it was represented, you know, they had a kind of religious underpinning to it where there were kind of like angelic entities. But in some regards, that's actually closer to the truth.

Not to say that there aren't what people call extraterrestrial biological entities, meaning like, oh, these kind of like gray figures and the typical. beings that you see with the big heads and the big eyes like that, I think, you know, I had not ever seen that directly, but based on all the testimony and the reports out there, I do think that is something that's genuine. You know, I don't want to go too far off onto a tangent, but some people speculate that that's like an advanced organic AI, basically. And those entities are like, you know, created or generated to. to fulfill, like, missions or whatever you want to call it.

So, but an entity like that, I had not ever seen. These entities look more like, again, you know, shadow beings or light beings, whatever people want to call them. And again, orb phenomenon is something that's really apparent that's only being reported on more frequently now. It's been reported on, it's been discussed, but it's really an intricate part the UFO phenomenon. But again, going back, back then, I didn't necessarily associate that with the UFO phenomenon

because I would have experiences like that. And then again, spontaneous out-of-body experiences where I'm just like laying down and about to go to bed. And it feels like I'm sleeping or, and all of a sudden, like, I'm looking down at myself and I'm like floating out. And as soon as you, you realize like, holy shit, that's, that's me. that's my, my, myself, my body, whatever, you snap right back in and you, and kind of wake up. That's how that happened for me, at least.

But it wasn't until, you know, many years later, I guess, when I was 20 years old in 2007, when I had a series of UFO encounters that really, you know, pushed me into this kind of like no going back. because, you know, the early experiences led me to do, you know, inquiry and research. So even from a young age, I was reading books on UFOs and metaphysics. And, you know, at 18, I started doing meditation, kind of partially because of martial arts, but more so, you know, because I was like looking in the bookstore and I found books on meditation, stuff like that, too. So I'd been meditating for two years by 2007.

And the 2007 wave of events for me that really, you know, thrust me into this world for keeps and, you know, kind of made it a mission for me to be involved, if I can say it that way. It started off really weird. And in a series of events that we would call like synchronicities and high strangeness. And the reason that this is important is because Dr. J. Allen Heinek, who was the official astronomer for the U.S. Air Force for Project Blue Book, found that the most genuine UFO close encounters that occurred had something what he called high strangeness. And it was, you know, high strangeness is basically a type of phenomenon or a series in events that are just so. you know, so extreme or outlandish that there's there's no other way to categorize it other than high strangeness. But this association with high strangeness in close encounters was so strong

that he made this term to, you know, denote that this is something that happened in a lot of close encounters. And, you know, along with Dr. Jalen Heineck was, you know, Jacques Belay, who's an important researcher. So, you know, these events I would consider high strangeness and it started the you know there's kind of three events that really marked this for me that pushed me into this and the first one you know I'm working an overnight shift and you know one of my co-workers in the morning before I left the shift who's super kind of conservative guy you know we talk about like family and and you know work co-worker kind of talk right And out of nowhere, he said to me, hey, did you hear about the UFOs in Mexico?

And, you know, I found it really weird that he would even bring the subject up, you know, because at that point, I, you know, I had the earlier experiences, but I had an interest. So for him to say that, I'm kind of thinking like, what, you know, where is this coming from? But I brushed it off. I figured it's just a coincidence, right? so I go home I drive home and I go to sleep and I worked an overnight shift so this you know by the time I go to sleep it's like maybe 830 in the morning or so and in my dream when I go to sleep I have this insane uh kind of like a you you can call it a UFO dream right um and in the dream I'm driving uh down in my old neighborhood and there's just this um like a orange plasma UFO right over my car and it's a dream but I'm like freaking out you know um like it's pulsing with electricity and stuff and I can hear like the energetic charge and I can feel the sensations in my body and it's and I'm freaking out in the dream I'm just like not thinking

I'm just like I need to get the hell away from this thing um and I'm trying to drive away and this is going on from a suburb I mean is this some yeah yes a suburb so like anybody could walk out of their house and see this thing like to thought yeah but this remember this is a dream this is this right now uh is a is a dream oh okay sorry yeah yeah yeah well yeah so yeah so yeah because i know that at some point you get in your car what yeah that's this is this is what follows this is the crazy this is what's so crazy about it right is that you know so i i know i'll round that out for you so it's a dream and i'm like driving i'm trying to get away and i snap out of the dream and by the time I wake up it's maybe like 3.30 in the afternoon and it's either

late spring or early summer and somebody you know one of my family members walks on my house and the first thing they say to me is hey did you hear about the UFOs in Mexico so I'm like you know and this is the high strangeness thing right right so I'm like screw that you know screw this and you know the reason I say high strangeness because there's there's no I mean there's no way in hell that you're going to have that series of events take place as a coincidence, right? You know, and I've spoken to different researchers about it. And, you know, I don't know whether that dream was something that the UFO phenomenon basically placed into me, right?

Like, did they make me have the dream? Or was it some kind of precognitive event? And I don't know the, yeah, I don't know. You know, and so when I, because when I, you know, the family, member said that to me and I'm like okay screw this I need to just go and there's a Chinese place down the street for me that I used to always go to so I'm like I'm going to go get some Chinese food and just like relax you know because this is kind of bullshit right now um so I get in my car and it's again it's 3 30 in the afternoon maybe it's broad daylight and I start

driving and within a few hundred feet of me driving I you know I'm looking you know ahead of me right and right in the sky sent right dead center in the sky there's just a fireball there and in my mind I think holy shit that's a UFO uh and as soon as I think that because it was it was stationary as soon as I think that it starts to move and I like I'm freaking out at this point right and it's it's like the the fireball in the sky is like amazing right but what what really did it for me the whole what really hit me so hard was that the series of events that led to it

because the whole thing is like this whole ongoing event at this point it wasn't just I'm driving and I see this fireball had somebody who oddly out of character said something to me about a UFO in the morning, UFOs in Mexico

I had this crazy dream and then as soon as I wake up this family member says something to me the same thing that this guy said this UFOs in Mexico and then and then I have this daytime sighting of a fireball. So the whole thing is what really hit me like a ton of bricks.

I think almost the whole series of events that led to it occurring was almost more insane than having the daytime siding itself. You know, it's like, how do you weigh that out? So I was, you know, I tried. Book club on Monday. Gym on Tuesday. Date night on Wednesday. Out on the town on Thursday.

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You know, it was moving. It was kind of just moving across sky, gliding across silently. and I you know it eventually got out of my site I wasn't able to to keep up with it it didn't like zoom off or doing anything fantastic but again it's just a fireball maybe the size of a dime or a little smaller floating through the sky I mean it looked you know at arm's length that looked that big I don't know how how far away it was necessarily maybe a few thousand feet. But it was still incredible. And, you know, after that event, I was really, you know, it was an impactful event. So I, at that point, I was even more kind of, you know, driven and

excited to look into UFOs as a more, you know, as a really kind of serious thing. Because at this point um i guess you can say i'm being interacted with right i didn't ask for this to happen uh the earlier ones either um and again like i said the earlier ones even at this point i recall those experiences but i'm not necessarily tying it to ufo's at that at that point so you know skip ahead maybe two to three months you know i don't know the exact time frame but it was it was about two to three months i ended up having this um this crazy you know i it's not an n d because i didn't i didn't nearly die uh but it's something i call um you know a trauma induced out of body experience so i got into this um this car accident and uh during you know

when that accident happened all of a sudden that you know I'm driving and the next thing I know the accident happens and I'm I'm like face to face you know in with this like a light being right like an entity of light and how did the how did the accident happen and like when what when was it and how did it happen because these are so I was listening to your interview when I was actually painting so I that's why I think I I feel like I must have walked out of the room or something. That's why I felt like I thought you had come home from work, gone to sleep, couldn't sleep, went to leave, or went to drive around to go to sleep, and that's when you had

the accident. But I guess I missed something. But so what I'm wondering now is when you had the accident, was it in the middle of the night? Were you in a middle of the subdivision? This was actually in the daytime. This is because my work schedule is insane. I'm working overnight.

And I think at that point, I'm working like seven days a week. And so I fell asleep when I was driving, basically. Oh, okay, okay. And this was in daylight. This was, but it was similar. Yeah, I was, it was in the morning, kind of like not quite, not quite noon. But I fell asleep when I was driving. And, you know, I didn't realize until afterwards that my car ended up going upside down and basically into a building.

Is this, is in the middle of a, like a populated area? It's like a suburb, yeah. okay so the and the crazy thing is that this happened and I didn't realize this really I didn't really think about this until years later but this happened exactly like to the T exactly where I saw the fireball um sighting craft whatever you want to call it um and again I for whatever reason I didn't put two to two together but literally to the T the exact same location so you know again, when the crash occurs, I guess I have, maybe you can say I have a lapse in

consciousness, right? I don't know, but the crash occurs and all of a sudden I'm face to face with just like a light being, right? And for whatever reason, the first impression that I got when I saw this entity was that

it was not separate from myself. And again, that's an impression, that's the feeling I had like a knowing of that. and I heard this entire like crystalline orchestra it's like you know it you know I guess like if you imagine being in heaven or something and hearing that like kind of angelic music that's that's what it felt like right and and I'm mind you I'm not like religious in a sense like you can say I'm spiritual because I'm doing meditation and I'm into those kind of subjects metaphysics or whatever but not religious. And I heard, you know, a voice say, you know, God is all there is, ever was and ever will be. And, you know, I, for whatever, whatever that means. And all of a sudden it flipped, I, you know, it flipped into, I guess, like a different thing, right? Where I saw, you know, I can try to describe this as much as I want and never comes out exactly how I perceived it, I guess, is that.

I saw the past, the present, in the future kind of as like one thing. And then right after that, it flipped into me being above the scene of the accident. And I'm looking down at the accident. And I can see my car. I see an ambulance. I see the building.

I see the street. I see the whole thing. And what's crazy is that my point of view of where I'm looking down was exactly where the fireball was when I had seen it. And again, that's not something I didn't I didn't put two and two together like that's not something that automatically hit me I didn't realize that for for years after until I was telling um a researcher uh doctor one of the stories years later um so that that event like

was was extremely profound for me because you know even though it wasn't like a true near death experience, I felt like I had, you know, escaped the cause of death, basically. I was like, wow, like, I could have died if I did, you know, if I somehow had hit my head the wrong way or whatever. So I, after that occurred, you know, I was just like so grateful even just to be alive at that point. And, you know, add onto it the, the experience, right? that I had was um you know I guess transformed of in a way because when you when you have snap back into like you let you know you're you're looking down in yourself did you suddenly you're back in the yeah yeah yeah so I when I wake up I'm in like the ambulance basically

and I'm like holy shit I'm alive but even when I was looking down at the accident one of the craziest thing was like I was conscious right like in my awareness I mean might not have been in my body but I was aware and it's not like I wasn't being like pulled through the experience where like I wasn't conscious of what's going on because I'm looking down at the accident and I'm like I'm thinking so this is it huh like I'm thinking that I'm dead and I was just I was totally cool with it like I felt totally at peace just like there wasn't like a regret or care like oh no it was just like totally. fine. It was like the most blest

out thing, equanimity. I just felt perfectly at peace. Right. And then I snapped into my body and I'm like, oh my God, like holy shit, I'm alive. And I'm in the ambulance. So you know, the next day

you know, because I wanted to do MRIs and scans and whatever, make sure I didn't have like internal bleeding and all that. So the next day I get home and I'm just like super grateful to be alive right and I'm still like I feel different physically right like and I hate to use words like this because it's going to rub people the wrong way but like energetically right I literally feel different like a different frequency in my body if you can

say that right um but I'm just super grateful to be alive and I'm like just cleaning my room whatever and this ends up being the next day and night and how this whole chain of events occurs and as I'm just in my room or whatever I hear like I don't even it's not even just like I hear a voice just like when I was a kid I hear a voice but I can feel it through my entire body and it says come outside but the crazy thing about that is people call it a download right or again we can say it's a telepathic lock on because as soon as i hear the voice it's not just that i hear or i feel the voice i got like this whole uh like a package of like information if you want to call it that but what i what i mean by that is there's like all these sensations i get

like this kundalini experience through my body um and and i see these two entities again this in my mind that I see it like right my eyes are open and I can even see everything around me like normal but there's like an overlay um of these two entities and you know I hate to say this because it's it's in the UFO literature and I it sounds hokey or whatever but I so you know I saw uh you know a male and a female in these kind of like almost grayish blue spacesuits you know blonde hair, blue eyes, what people call Nordics or tall whites or whatever, I saw them and I heard that, but I also got these kind of, I guess you can say messages that they're related to us and they want people to know that they're here and all this, you know, and I have to,

you know, kind of preface this by saying, I don't know if, I don't know if that's true, right? if if if they're related to us and they're here to help us or I don't know if my mind made that up to try to cope with whatever was going on I don't know if they actually literally communicated that and I don't know if they actually actually literally communicated that and that means it's true right it could still be a deception of some kind or you know in my own sense it felt as genuine and as ever and while this is going on I'm not even questioning it I'm taking it literally um so again it said come outside right and as soon as i heard that i just instantly like there's no second thinking and i just ran outside and i get

out i get out the door and i get there's like tree coverage over there over when you walk out the door so i get past that and i look up and i you know even before i'm looking up i hear this this hum of this uh you know what i end up seeing is like a a a a crap that's almost like a hexagon and it's like boom boom boom and i can feel the pulsing um when it's when it's making that noise and i have this again this almost like a kundalini experience of energy and electricity throughout my entire body and it felt like my awareness was connected to their awareness if i can say that and like i was feeling that their state the state of being that therein I could feel.

And it was the super elating like I felt you know super blissful I guess if I can say that and again this craft must be like a hundred feet in the air

and it's shaped like a hexagon almost like a dark metal if I can say that it wasn't it wasn't black like black matte blackout but it was like a very very dark gray and almost seamless and there were

like there was a perfectly square white light fixture in the center and around it there were just lights going around like this like you know yellow blue purple red green the whole thing and I'm kind of it's above me kind of just

gliding across and I'm trying to I'm going down into my driveway I get down to my driveway and I'm watching it for a few seconds and then instantaneously while I'm looking at it you can say dematerializes

it disappears and it reappears about 1,000 feet away or 1,500 feet away over this man-made lake that's there and it just reappears there and it's just slowly moving and it's got the lights moving around it

and once I'm looking at it over there my focus is over there I can see that there are two other crafts just like that and you know about the same distance away and they're all kind of moving around slowly in the sky and at this point I'm I'm really thinking like am I am I hallucinating at this point like did I hit my head so hard in that accent that I'm just imagining this because this is over the top this is over the top now and I'm kind of freaking out so I ran into my house and you know two of my family members there and I I said, guys, they're here.

I said, you got to come outside. And they say, why? I say, they're here. And they said, who's here? I said, just come outside. So my two family members come outside. And they, they see these crafts just moving around with the, you know, the lights spinning around and everything.

And this is going on, you know, they're just like, you know, their jaws drop, basically. They're witnessing the same thing and they don't know what to make of it. And, you know, so after maybe like 20 minutes or so of watching this. And while I'm watching this, like, I'm thinking in my head that the whole world knows that this is going on. I'm like, because this is, it's a suburb area, right? So I'm thinking that everybody is seeing this. Like, there's no question to my mind. And I'm thinking like the whole world's going to know about, you know, UFOs.

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and that was that was the end of it right and i'm just uh i was amazed because i'm i'm still trying to take the whole thing in, you know, when it ended. When I ended, I'm like, holy shit. Like what, what just happened? You know, why did this happen? And, and, you know, that's what led me on the journey of creating engaging the phenomenon, you know, which is my YouTube and podcast. I mean, I made, this happened, this all happened to 2007. But, you know, years later of research and being actively involved in the UFO research community and speaking to different researchers is what led me to create engaging the phenomenon.

But I got the impression from this contact, these series of contact experiences that people, you know, people, you know, the entities themselves, again, they communicated, whether it was literally or is a deception or whether my mind somehow, tried to create a reason for it to happen or something is that I got the impression that, you know, that the intelligence wanted people to know that they were here. And again, you know, they said they were related to us. I don't know if that's true. But I, I, you know, wanted people to know that this was all real. Because now I had these experiences and I know for a fact. that this is something that's genuine.

So I felt compelled to get involved in the research community publicly at that point and to share information. But I also realize that I can't like I can't just tell somebody about this experience, right? Like I can tell somebody, but it's not going to have the impact. You know, you're not, it's not, you're not going to have that switch go off in your head unless you have this kind of experience, right? like even if um you're convinced UFOs are real you know having a direct experience like that is going to is going to just it's going to change you right it's going to it's going to transform your worldview the way you see yourself the way you look at the universe because all you know all of a sudden within a few moments you now have to reconsider everything that you thought you knew was

true and you're like holy shit if this if this is true you know what what else does did I get, what else is true that I'm not quite sure about, right? So it has that kind of like paradigm shift and it opens your awareness up to so many other possibilities at that point. Isn't this? It's also like the first time. That was the first time that you actually, you know, you, you know it's not in your head. Like your family members came out and saw it.

So it's like, okay, this isn't just me. Yeah. I actually have someone that. So you guys are seeing this. Yes. Okay, good. physical. I know it's not me. Yeah, it's a physical crafts. Like, right, you know, and like, I mean, the fireball convinced me, right? But this, again, this was just on another level for several different reasons. Again, because I had the telepathic lock on thing. But again, I had witnesses, my family come out and see this. And it wasn't just like with the fireball was like a minute kind of looking at it and it's out of my way. This is going on 20 minutes. And I'm, you know, and we're a physical craft with the hum and. everything um so at that point i started really active like very seriously dedicating myself

almost like a life mission to research and and and trying to share information and um it was at that point that i found c e5 or close encounters of the fifth kind um which you know for people to understand you know there's a close encounter scale um you know close encounters of the first, second, and third kind, which were created by Dr. J. Allen Heineck as a way to categorize and classify close encounters when he was part of Project Blue Book. So, you know, a close encounter of the first kind is seeing a craft, you know, within 500 feet, it says, but really a close encounter of the first kind is like, you see a craft close enough to determine it's an actual UFO, basically. Right.

A close encounter of the second kind is that a UFO leaves some kind of trace, right? Whether it's, you know, like a radiation trace, it's tracked on radar, it's recorded on video or picture somehow. You know, there's some kind of trace that you can attribute to the UFO. And then the closer encounter of the third kind is if you have like a, if you see an entity, right? If you see an occupant of a UFO, like in the movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind that was done by Steven Spielberg, that's Close Encounter of the Third Kind. A close encounter of the fourth kind,

which Dr. Jalen Heenick did not create somebody added to the scale, is when somebody has an onboard experience or an abduction experience. And then Dr. Stephen Greer created the term for Close Encounter of the Fifth Kind, and there are different levels to it, But, you know, more commonly, it's known as a human initiated contact where you intentionally go out to do a, you know, to have an encounter. You invite the encounter to happen and one occurs. And there's two, there's two degrees of that, I say, because if somebody is just watching a UFO, you know, they're out, whatever, and they're looking at the sky or whatever it is. and they see a UFO and it's just moving along.

They just randomly see a UFO and they think to it. Like, or like, oh, my God, I wish it would come closer. And all of a sudden, the UFO stops and starts to come closer. It seems that there's some kind of telepathic connection or mental connection, whatever. That's a C.E.5 of the second degree, you know, according to Dr. Stephen Greer's category. But a close encounter of the fifth. kind first degree is when you go out and you do what's called the CE5 protocols or you know you go out and you intentionally invite a UFO encounter and one appears that's a close encounter of the

fifth kind first degree that's when people say CE5 that's more most generally what they're talking about and Dr. Stephen Greer created protocols to to have that kind of encounter But I want to preface that a little by saying, you know, I found Dr. Stephen Greer because I'm crazy doing research at this point. Like all, you know, all my free time I'm doing, I'm doing like research and meditation, basically. And I see this press conference on YouTube and it's this random doctor, right, and a bunch of military witnesses talking, you know, in Washington. DC at the National Press Club about their firsthand encounter while serving in the government with UFOs or UFO related information or the UFO cover-up. So I bet there's about 12 witnesses and they're all sharing their testimony, highly

credible people with credentials that could be vetted, you know, sharing their testimony in Washington, D.C. about their firsthand knowledge of UFOs and UFO cover-up. and you know what was weird to me is just like the whole thing it was hosted by this this is kind of random doctor there's all this military people and I'm thinking who the hell is this doctor right why is you why do you have a random doctor hosting this event with all these military people like why is it not like a colon or general or something like right so I'm like who is this guy and I start looking into all his work and that's when I found CE5 because he I found a video where he's talking about contact and what struck

me when I'm watching his video is that the way he's describing contact and how it occurs was exactly how I had experienced it. And there are just like small, subtle details that he's explaining that you couldn't just make up, right? The only way you could know some of those intricate details were if you experienced it from yourself, you know? So that's what struck me of that. What he's talking about is authentic. So I'm like, okay, I started researching all his work. I read his books. And, you know, he has guided, guided practices for what he calls the C.E5 protocols. And, you know, just to clarify, too, there are other groups who did similar things in earlier years, but this is what I came across first.

And so I started doing the C.E5 protocols. And I got responses, right? It was working. It wasn't like the experiences that I had when it was just kind of like they spontaneously happened to me. It wasn't on that level of, you know, impact, I guess you want to say, or it wasn't as crazy or dramatic. But sure enough, if you go out, you do the protocols, which, you know, to do a quick overview of what's known as the CE5 protocols is you basically do some kind of meditation where you're going to get in a calm and tranquil state. And then you used what you use what's called remote viewing, you know, which, you know, if anybody's interested in remote viewing, look up the CIA's program Project Stargate and how the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. military both studied and utilized remote viewing, which is basically being able to use your consciousness to see a distant time or space, right? and the government was using this to gain intelligence and they got some pretty serious hits when they did it like meaning they were able to acquire certain information that could have not otherwise been known and that project went on for 22 years um but anyways so you're you're doing meditation and and you do what people you know you can call remote viewing if you don't believe you can remote view you can do like an uh

kind of visualization of, you know, seeing some kind of UFO or, or an ET craft, as Dr. Greer would say, in deep space or around the earth or wherever. And you're using kind of like a visual, a visualization or remote viewing vector to draw them back to your location, like in a seamless sequence. And that's what he calls coherent thought sequencing, which is, is part of the C5 protocol. And, you know, sure enough, if you practice anything enough, you're going to get good at it. And it becomes more automatic. You don't have to sit there and intentionally, you know, it becomes less mechanical. So when you get pretty good at the process eventually over time.

And, you know, again, you do it enough times. You're, it's like, you know, throwing a rock at a target a thousand times. Eventually, you're going to hit the bull's eye. So I was doing, I was doing this. on a very regular basis, probably more than I should have because I was so impacted by the other encounters. And I was also thinking, like, why didn't I think of that, right? Like, it's so, like, if I was having these encounters and having this kind of direct mental or telepathic connection, like, why wouldn't I think to do that, right? So sure enough, I got pretty good

at it and I was able to have regular responses right which could vary in all different types of ways some could be more dramatic or some can just see you see a light in the sky that will stop and then move in another direction and you know or flashes of lights or you know a more kind of extreme but elusive cases if you have like an orb come down into your yard or the location you're at and for people who want to see like a small example of this there was just a history channel episode of uh beyond skinwalker where they go over the crisp blood so case and that's a case that has been investigated by NASA and the CIA and the DOD and they were highly interested in his case and um he had it's so because of that it's been documented fairly well where you have

somebody from CIA on property or somebody from the army intelligence on property and even they're baffled by some of the anomalies that are going on, right? And, you know, so the people understand, you know, UFO encounters or, you know, encounters with now what they call it UAP, unidentified anomalous phenomena, it's not always like the movies. So you can be having different anomalous phenomena occur, and it's not like what you see in a movie, right? it's going to be stranger than that and more bizarre and harder to define, right? That's what makes it anomalous. And, you know, a lot of people in the older UFO research field have a hard time coming to grips with that because they want to be seen as credible and scientific. So if you're not talking about a metal ship in the sky, they kind of get a little hesitant to discuss it, even if they know that's the core of the work and the research and what's being reported.

And, you know, nowadays, it's more accepted in the research community because it's been investigated by the Department of Defense and a program that was called OSAP and which it later became ATIP, which is what came out in the 2017 New York Times story. And it came out that, you know, Robert Bigelow was contracted and created this government program with the DOD and the DIA with all these really, really top level scientists. like Kohn Kelleher, Dr. Ark Davis, Dr. Hal Putoff, and Dr. Howe Putoff was involved with that Project Stargate remote viewing program and Dr. Kit Green and Jacques Valet and all these other really highly regarded scientists. The remote, I remember saying something on the remote viewing back in the late 80s, early 90s when during the Cold War, probably in the height of the Cold War where they were having people that were that supposedly could do remote viewing

and they were trying to have them place themselves in Soviet military facilities, right? Like it started at military. Absolutely. We're military applications and, you know, where they wanted them, can you go into this building? Can you, and they would come back and say that they'd looked in, you know,

this room or that room or tried to go into a file cabinet but couldn't do it or it. Well, it was interesting. Because what was interesting was they would be able to describe buildings and the inside, the outside, where they were, when there was no way these people would know where these buildings were. Right. Right. And what they looked like or anything.

And there's an incident with, you know, a classified Soviet submarine where it's there's no way it should have been there. And, and, you know, these guys were able to track that. And it was accurate intelligence. And when they're given the remote viewing of the coordinates, they're not telling him what to look for. right the coordinates are not a longitude latitude it's just a number that represents a target and so they didn't even the the viewer that that got the hit didn't even know what the

intelligence community was looking for and sure enough he got this insane insanely accurate hit which was actionable intelligence they could now take this intelligent and act on it strategically right they didn't have the program for 20 years because it didn't work right or they may not have right you know it may not have been perfect but if they could use it operationally that's why the program continued and i'm going to argue uh that it's still continued to this day and it's just been stove piped and hidden away and compartmentalize and moved basically right i was going to say listen if the if the department of you know if the department of defense can consistently lose hundreds of billions of dollars then they can be running other

programs without anybody knowing you know off the books that nobody's in charge of so right well and that's how that's how the UFO programs have been kept what's called unacknowledged special access programs or or waived special access programs or controlled access programs and uh you know the the the you know the big issue with the secrecy is how is the secrecy been kept and it's it's because people in charge haven't been in the loop right congress and the senate intelligence community and the Senate they haven't been kept up to date on this they're they're blocked out of the programs and that's why now now we're seeing the public reaction from all this yeah you know the other thing i was thinking about when you were talking was the descriptions like you're saying

that when people are describing these events and you know they're you know whatever operation you know blue book or you know whatever whatever the people that are going out kind of collecting this information to do these investigations or kind of blowing off anybody that doesn't specifically state it was a craft it was clearly a craft but the problem is is that you know they're looking at a like you said a very tangible you know this must be a craft this must be like a ship this must be but the truth is because that's what that's just how they're conceptualizing this is the only thing it could be but the the problem is if you could communicate with an ape what's happening and ask an ape how to describe

what's happening in the zoo or in the jungle or with humans or they would never be able to describe it. They would describe it in a very rudimentary way to the best of their abilities because the truth is they don't really understand what that vehicle is. They don't know what a bus is, what a plane is. They don't know where this food is coming from. They don't know what these things are. They would have to describe it in the limited, you know, with their limited capabilities. So they're, they're going to get a very, very rudimentary explanation of what's happening. So for us to sit here and try and conceptualize what we're seeing, like, you know, we have a limited vocabulary, a limited understanding, and we're seeing things.

And, you know, just like you said, like, you don't really know what you're seeing. You don't really, just like, what I like is that you're like, you know, I'm not even saying that I necessarily even know, are these really people that are being. from another dimension that are telling the truth are they really aliens are they really like i don't know here's what happened here's what i saw who knows did you ever see that movie um uh they they i'm not sure i'm gonna send you that listen it's is it they or they live is it they live yeah i think there's the older one they live with roddy piper yes yes oh yeah a bee movie I love it.

What I loved was that it was everywhere. They were all around us. Yes. You just didn't know. You know, they're supposed to be making a follow-up Netflix series or something to that. Oh, man. What,

how great would that be? Yeah, I hope so. I hope so. You know, that was, that was a great, that was a great,

because when he puts on those glasses and you realize like, oh, wow, we're, we're just like, we're like, clueless. Disney world and we have for for these beings well I'm glad you brought that up for several

accounts is number one is like yeah like we we see a UFO and we think we think we're so smart and we know what it is right and like just as an example right so crash retrievals are a big subject now David crush who is a highly credible former intelligence officer has come forward, you know, he put an official intelligence community inspector general complaint about how this issue is being mishandled and illegally hidden from Congress and oversight about crash retrievals. And that happened in the UFO or UAP hearing that happened a few weeks ago in Congress by the oversight committee.

But let's just say all that's true, right? Let's say that we, you know, Roswell is real and, and there's a few other incidents that occurred that are, that are real. And we have these craft and we even have bodies. That doesn't mean we know where they're from. That does not mean we know where they're from or even what they are, right? Or you could even conceptualize where they're from or what dimension or what planet. Right, right. If something was from another dimension, how would we even know, right?

Right. I was going to say, my argument is always, because I have a friend that, you know, I, I don't want to say he's an enthusiast, but the problem with him is that he believes in every conspiracy that has ever been, like, I mean, from Bigfoot to the Lochness monster to JFK to, I mean, you name a conspiracy, he believes them all. So, but one of the things I always argue with him about is, you know, is that, you know, why would they be here? Yeah. Like, what do we have that they don't need, there's nothing. Like, if you could travel billions of light years or be an interdimensional species, there's nothing we offer. Well, yeah.

And so there's this really great thinking on that, right? Like, number one is who says they're not from here, right? Right. Because as far, and Jacques Valet wrote a book called Passport to Magonia. And there's been good, there's a book called the Crypto Terrestrials by Maktanis for people who are interested in looking at these kind of. of ideas is that, you know, number one, let's just say they're from another dimension, but they coexist in the same space, right? Like they're from Earth, they're just shifted in a slightly different frequency or

dimension, and, you know, and either intentionally or unintentionally, they're coming in and out somehow, right? Maybe their technology is just so advanced. They can interface with our dimension or frequency, and maybe there's certain spots on the earth where that wall between dimensions is thinner. Like what people argue for like Skinwalker Ranch and Mount Shasta and those kind of, you know, Catalina Island and these other areas where there's high activity, right? Or, you know, there's, you know, Dr. Hal Putoff who is, you know, you know, helping with that remote viewing program, wrote a paper called the ultra terrestrials, which is a hypothesis for, you know, maybe the origin of the UFO intelligence, what some of the possibilities are. And, you know,

Maktanis cryptotrestrials are saying, actually, you know, they, they could have been here the whole time. And they're just making us think that they're from space. So we're looking out there and really the whole time, you know, they have been coexisting with us for thousands of years in some kind of hidden way, whether they're using technology to mask themselves or they're living in the oceans because it's way, it's, you know, Richard Dolan's coming out with a book called the U.S.Os, right? But all these Navy encounters are by the water, right? Yeah, there's way more surface or coverage underneath the ocean than there is.

We know less about the ocean than space. Right, right. And so if they are so advanced in technology and they're able to somehow hide in the water, or maybe they're a civilization that came here thousands of years ago that just have an outpost. did you see the movie the abyss I did not my friend keeps telling me to watch it I gotta get around to it

yeah it's just comes out of nowhere when you see the whole movie and at the end it's like wow like it like this is not I didn't see it coming yeah so it just turns out that they're you know the ocean bed is just

that's where they're living there's massive massive cities down there that we just don't have any idea and the only reason they even make contact is because we're kind of exploring the abyss. And they're like, yeah, we better go ahead. Okay. We better go ahead and, you know, I didn't, I didn't read the book yet, but there's

something called Chains of the Sea. And apparently it's kind of tied to that kind of idea. And, you know, one of the people who put that forward as a, you know, a theoretical was Lou Elizondo, right? And that's the intelligence officer that, uh, counterintelligence officer that came out and, you know, spoke to the New York. Times and disclosed the program atyp, you know, advanced aerospace threat identification program. So it's not just like UFO researchers are speculating.

There's also people that are in the intelligence community that are also proposing some of these kind of ideas. You know, when you said like kind of that they're, well, I was thinking about interstellar. So I guess you didn't say this. I was thinking about interstellar. Did you see that? You saw interstellar, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But what was great is that it was, it was like, this isn't an alien speech. This is just us, you know, communicating. These are what, fourth, fifth dimension, or us in the future, living in different dimensions. Yeah. And then I was actually talking to my buddy the other day because I watched a program on Mars. And I'm always watching stuff.

I was playing stuff in the background. And just while I was listening to it, they were talking about how in the future, they said, once we're you know an interplanetary species and humans are being born on mars they said we'll become a two species race yeah where they said because think about it they said they won't need they'll be taller thinner less bone density less muscle mass you know so all of these things you know that they were saying that you know two thousand years in the future martians humans that's martian species will look so vastly different from us even though they're human right that they would they would essentially be aliens to us

and if they were you know what happens who knows what happens in the evolution of that species yeah right super like to me i felt like wow you know that kind of plays into the whole interstellar the you know who knows yeah and there's and see these are the types of like lines of thinking we need to be exploring you know for the past like you know, however many years, most UFO researchers and people that are just like watching UFO movies or, you know, alien movies or whatever, you know, we almost had like an automatic assumption in our mind that, oh, it's aliens from another planet or from another place in space when really it could be something that we, we can't even comprehend or think of or

haven't thought of yet. And, you know, what you're, you know, there's a guy named Dr. Michael Masters and I think he's a I think he's an evolutionary biologist professor and you know he has a theory called the extra tempestrials which is saying like they're basically time travelers and it's you know this could be us like a hundred thousand years in the future coming back and that would explain why they're somehow not the same as us but similar like the chances and the odds that they would have a head two arms two legs but that is reported. It's recorded so, so frequently in the, and all the literature of UFOs and contact literature and experience or literature. And they want so they want such limited contact with us. Like you don't want to alter the future. Right. Right. And also, you know, for, you know, people who report that there's DNA taken and stuff, you know, things like that.

Like, why would, you know. So those ideas, I think are, are a good direction. rather than just assuming that for a limited time at mcdonalds enjoy the tasty breakfast trio your choice of chicken or sausage mcmuffin or mcgrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax available until 11 a.m. at participating mcdonald restaurants price excludes flavored ice coffee and delivery. They're just extraterrestrials from outer space. I mean, however, I still think that the with the ETI, the extraterrestrial or the ETH, the extraterrestrial hypothesis is you know, We should still keep that on the table. And, you know, I have to say that, you know, based on different encounters that I've had, you know, the ones that just happened to me and during CE5, because I've done the CE5 stuff, you know, hundreds and hundreds of times over thousands of hours. And during the different kind of interactions or what have you, I don't think it's all the same intelligence that's responsible for what we call UFOs or UAP, unidentified anomalous phenomena. It seems that there's different things that are going on, you know, people report different types of entities and, you know, even in stories of like crash retrievals and, you know, there's different types of crafts that are sometime reported.

You know, sometimes there's a triangle, sometimes there's a disc, sometimes there's a cigar-shaped object, sometimes there's what we call a craft or vehicle, but it's made of light or plasma. You know, there's all these different, um, signatures. So I don't, I don't think that we're, we're dealing with all of the same intelligence, necessarily. Yeah, I've, I have no problem with believe with, I'm totally okay with not knowing or understanding the fact that I have no idea what's really happening, you know, I can, I can look at my cell phone and a, in a vehicle and tell you. I don't know how it works. Right, right. Vehicles are magic. My cell phone is, it's a little box of magic.

Yes. You know, so I have no, I have no, you know, I have no, I have no problem admitting that, look, I don't know what's happening here, you know, like I don't, it doesn't, I don't have to know. Like, I understand this is beyond my understanding. Yeah. And I was just, I was thinking like, you know, you know, I will watch a program where they were saying, look, these things have been cited forever. And then even if, let's assume that the raw. Oswell crash was real, you know, so there's a real craft that was, you know, captured and maybe, and there's a few other instances and maybe, maybe actual, you know, if their aliens have been actually captured. You know, why it's always like, why wouldn't they tell us? Well, in the 1950s, like, if you had told the civilization that there were aliens, most of civilization is still being held together by religious beliefs. Yeah. That would have fundamentally changed. changed. But if you slowly leak these things out and change the consciousness of the global

consciousness, because it's not like it's just happening here. This is everywhere. We're slowly leaking it out. And then you get to a point where you say, okay, I think they're ready. Because let's face it, when those tapes came out from the, from the, um, the Navy. And that to me was the first 100% concrete. Yeah. Right. Evidence. do you know that didn't do anything to me right like I didn't change anything for me yeah I listen after I heard that I still went to church on Sunday with you know with my wife we still sat there I still listened I still got in my car I was like that's crazy did you hear about the tapes did you watch that thing like I'm talking to my buddies about it we're like what what's going on what's going

it didn't fundamentally make me decide I'm going to stop paying my bills right and I'm going to run around and become a maniac because there's no heaven like I didn't that wasn't wasn't what entered my mind it was just like it I had been so inundated by it over the last 40 or you know 50 years that I was like I kind of fucking I kind of knew that anyway yeah this is proof but I kind of felt like it was pretty there was probably pretty true anyway now I've got proof that it's true so I'm good with it it didn't change anything but I think in the 40s or 50s I think it may have We've really done some damage. Yeah.

And, you know, they did a study back in the late 50s, early 60s called the Brookings Institute study. And they, you know, they determined that if they would have disclosed this kind of idea to the public at that time, that it would have been catastrophic. And, you know, what happened when Orson Wells did the program saying that we were being. Yeah, 1938, right? Yeah. Right. Like if you took that in a test run. Yeah.

People went nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the way it was presented was kind of jarring too. It wasn't just like, hey, there's aliens or there's. It was like we're being invaded. It was like, you know.

So go, go buy stuff in the grocery store to live for the next, you know, apparently, apparently I think back then toilet paper would have been disappeared. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, so yeah, I think, you know, there have been people. So the cover up back. then was probably, again, I don't want to say justified necessarily because, you know, we're democracy and you have to ultimately come to a vote or a determination, right?

But, you know, I could definitely see why back then where they were like, we, you know, especially you got the Cold War going on. We just came out of World War II. Like, you don't want to upset things worse than they are. Like, we're not even sure that we're on a track where we're not going to nuke ourselves, right? Right, right. Mutually sure destruction. And maybe they don't even really know what to say.

Right. And maybe this is our one meal ticket to ensure that we're going to be ahead of the access, you know, ahead of, you know, foreign adversaries. Like this is our one guarantee that we will, we will have technology that can outdo our adversaries in a Cold War, right? Right. Like you don't want to, you don't want to telegraph that. So, I mean, there's strategic purposes why, especially back then, why it would have been so safely guarded. you know because you know we had atomic weapons and we know that the Soviets had you know atomic capabilities and so we you know that kind of to some extent lost our edge in that case but you know this is a sure thing that we're going to have something that we can kind of glean off technologically and stay ahead um so do you think real sorry were you done with your thought um I'm I was going to go somewhere else but by all means go ahead well i was going to say do you think that that that the united states like do you think that those got like the the navy were they not you know the navy pilots where they you know they released the video and do you think that that was done purposely like hey let's go ahead and start start slipping this stuff

into the record so by by some by somebody it was done intentionally I mean, there's a whole course of actions that took place to make sure that those tapes came out and they came out in a way that could not be contested. And that was done by, you know, Christopher Mellon, Louis Lazzondo, and a few others. But you got to understand. So, you know, let's just say that there's a there's a secrecy group, right, that has been covering this up, right? People call it majestic or majestic 12, you know, whatever, majority committee. So if there was a group like that Not everybody is on the same page

Some of them are from different religious backgrounds Moral backgrounds Some of them are more power hungry Some of them are more democratic in their thinking And they're not all on the same page Right and maybe some of them for decades Have been trying to leak some of this information out In different ways that were safe for them to do so

Even though for them it was kind of risky But it wasn't like you know, they're putting their lives in jeopardy necessarily, but they're still getting information out to the public little by little and giving them breadcums, you know, again, amissed psychological operations against the American people. There are disinformation campaigns and there have been. And, you know, David Crush testified to that as well. But, you know, so maybe within that group that's keeping the secret, you know, some of them are some of the people that have been in that group we're dying off and new people are coming in and taking on the roles and enough of them

have have wanted transparency that they've been able to make bolder moves and now now that the toothpaste is out right now that they have gained that momentum they can go ahead and and put out as much as they think it's safe to do it right like they're not going to put out a plan to how to create a UFO right but maybe maybe the greater portion of the secrecy group they they want people to know it's time for a few reasons to for the people of the earth to know that we're not alone there's another intelligence here and that we have this technology right um so i think kind of that's that there are these different you know like factions within this group and that you know the group, the portion of it that wants transparency has gained enough momentum now to

put out what they think is safe to put out without kind of putting national security at risk, right? They're still able to put out the general information to some extent. You know, and part of, you know, again, this is speculation what some people in the intelligence community have said is that, you know, we have these crafts, right, from crash retrievals. and we cannot make sense of it, right? Like we can only make so much progress, right? Like you had Philip Corso who wrote the book the day after Roswell and, you know, he was a colonel and allegedly he was in charge of taking some of the technology and giving it to private industry, small pieces to different companies within the industry.

You know, his testimony goes back to the 1960s saying that they gave like one. one little fragment to this company, another fragment to this company. And they didn't tell them it's where it's from, right? They said, you know, this is foreign materials. Just try to figure out what it does, how we can recreate it or what we can do with it. And so back starting at least in the 50s and 60s, we started to reverse engineer some of the technology that we can make sense of. But, and that's how we got like, again, this is highly controversial. But, you know, they, the testimony will say that's how we got, you know, fiber optics, lasers and integrated circuits and, like, computer chips and stuff like that, you know, and how technology kind of boomed and blew took off really at that time period.

And not that we weren't working on some stuff like that already a little bit, but it augmented greatly what we were doing and made us kind of create technology way faster than we would have. But, you know, other people argue, too, that there's some parts of the technology that we're, we just can't, we don't know what to do with it. We're just not, we're not great because the programs are so compartmentalized and so secret and they're so siloed that you can't have big teams of people working on it. And it's, it's delaying our progress, right? and allegedly the other other countries like Russia and China and maybe Korea or whoever that have at least parts of this technology too and maybe they have more people working on it and if you start making breakthroughs and this kind of technology you're going to you're going to far exceed other other countries capabilities and that's that's a national security risk so now you have the secrecy of UFOs creating a national security risk right right So if you publicly disclose the general idea that we're not alone, there are advanced technologies and intelligences that have been interacting with humanity, and we have some of the technology, you can create, you can begin to make pathways for programs that can more efficiently and effectively work on the technology, get more brighter people and brighter minds on it, working on it together so we can make those breakthroughs because we've hit a wall. yeah i can only imagine the the secrecy that would be surrounding something like this like you you're right you can't you can't have a large group of people working on it at the same time look what happened with the manhattan project i mean the soviets right and we know that yeah they're 20 they're 30 years behind us not would not when they've got people inside the manhattan you know project giving them information so yeah so i'm sure that was a that was a hard obviously that was a hard lesson to learn you were 20 to 30 years ahead of your you know ahead of your um competition and

five years later they're setting off or you know there are two or three years later they're setting off their own nukes yeah and you know there's there's a scientist um named dr davis and you know he he talked about how you know there's a way you know every every few years they look at the technology they have a they have a program that tries to to reverse engineer the technology, and if they can make sense of it at the time, or if they found new sciences that can make more advances, they do what they can. And then once they hit a wall again, they put it away for another few years until scientists come up more and evolve more and become more intricate.

And we can revisit that technology with the advances we made and try to make more out of it. But that that was creating a problem because we're not moving with it fast enough. and we have potential adversaries that could be making advances. But with that, you know, I want to mention something that's called the Wilson Davis notes because it's, again, it's highly, you know, relevant to this conversation. And the testimony of David Grush, who was talking about UFO crash retrievals and UFO reverse engineering programs or what I think he called, you know, exploitation. programs and because you know you had the scientist dr eric davis who's actually ended up working

for that you know because this this uh meeting he had with an admiral this guy admiral tom wilson uh you know it just goes back a few years because and it goes back to dr stephen greer believe it or not so let me go back there real quick is so in 1997 dr stephen greer had a meeting in the Pentagon with Vice Admiral Tom Wilson, who at the time was the deputy DIA director. And he brought with him the astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who was the sixth man to walk on the moon, and he brought with him a Navy commander who helped set the meeting up,

Commander Will Miller. And Dr. Greer brought some documents with him and some information to Tom Wilson and the Pentagon on to say, hey, you know, we need your help. You have these secret programs, these UFO programs, and here's a bunch of information, basically, on how to find them. So, you know, allegedly, according to the story,

Dr. Greer has this NRO document. And, you know, again, according to Dr. Greer's testimony, on the document, there's, like, code names, code numbers. And Tom Wilson, Admiral, Vice Admiral Tom Wilson recognizes some of some of these programs. Because he's also joint chiefs of staff at that point. So all this stuff is supposed to be under his command, basically. And he's like, wait, you know, he notices, he recognizes a few of the program names and numbers.

So he goes ahead and he contacts them, right? and he speaks to somebody in the program, and they say, you know, we know who you are, Admiral Tom Wilson, but you're not allowed to be read into these programs. You don't have access. He's like, what are you talking about? I'm, I'm J2. I'm the deputy, DIA director. I should be running these programs.

You don't, you're not telling me that I don't have access to them. You know, so he went through chain of command. He went to the special access, special access. program oversight committee and he went through his channels and he's a big gorilla in at this point right um and he again like technically probably he should have had oversight over these programs if these programs were run the way they were supposed to but because they're clandestine and their uh black programs he was he was basically blocked out of the programs and um you know people went on to vet this meeting like dr edgar mitchell the astronaut um um

confirm that the meeting happened. And so, you know, and then, you know, we find out in 2002, Dr. Eric Davis, who ended up being part of that OSAP and ATIP program, he's a scientist, you know, he worked unclassified programs with the Air Force, he worked with Bigelow Airspace, and, you know, highly intelligent guy. He ends up getting a meeting with Tom Wilson in 2002. and, you know, to talk about these UFO programs. And, you know, Dr. Eric Davis took notes during this meeting he had with Tom Wilson,

and those notes leaked. And you can, if you look up the Wilson Davis notes, you'll see the notes, and you'll see the discussion that they had. But basically, you know, what Vice Admiral Tom Wilson discloses in the notes and in the meeting is that he found that the program he found like two or three programs and he was able to get a hold of somebody from one of the programs and they invited him to come to come visit and speak with them and he ends up getting in touch with a program or project manager the program security officer and a corporate lawyer so they tell them like you know the reason that they they they

had the meeting with him is because they wanted to know how he found out about the program because they had almost been uncovered and they almost were compromised because of an audit several years before and you know if they're found out they're indeed you know they're in trouble because they're they're basically running a black program which technically could be illegal but it's also partially kind of I don't want to say government audits yeah so you know they can lose their funding and they're you know they're doing something and they're not that nobody's supposed to know about basically with black money um so they they have the meeting with him and they and he's tom wilson admits like he thinks that it's being it's UFO is being used as a cover but it's really like you know russian or some kind of other technology that we found and the the people in the program are like no no no no no this these these technology is not made by human hands and they go on to talk talk about, you know, the same thing, right? We have recovered off-world vehicles and we work on it. It's highly compartmentalized. You know, it's kind of been brought into the private sector.

You can't FOIA it. And it's proprietary, right, if it's in a corporate setting. So the government kind of loses a little bit of access to it because it's proprietary corporate information. You know, they can legally say you're not allowed to know certain things about our company. right it's it's proprietary so um they end up telling him they have an full intact craft right and this is some of the stuff that david grush has testified to congress about right so that's a separate source that's saying the same thing about these crash retrieval programs that some of them have intact crafts um so they tell tom wilson you know you know you're not on the bigot list so you don't have access we're not going to show anything with you or show

share anything with you but as kind of like a courtesy and so you'll leave us alone we'll tell you a little bit you know um and you know they tell them that you know they have the off world technology they try to make sense of it every few years and then again they put it away they shelve it and they revisit it and try to make the advancements but um they they they there's certain parts of the technology they they just can't crack and you know the significance of that that document right the Wilson Davis memo which came out in 2019 I believe and you know some of me and my friends had it earlier than it was like really really out there in the public and at the time I was speaking to Dr. Eric Davis and I got a I got a quote from him for public use so I was speaking with

him and this is this is funny because the quote I got from him this was kind of like I think like two weeks before the notes broke out into the public in a big way. But Loua Lozando, the intelligence officer that was part of the ATIP program, ends up going on Fox with Tucker Carlson. And Tucker Carlson's like, do you believe that the U.S. government has materials or debris from UFOs? And Lou Elizondo's like, I have to be really careful about what I say because of my security

clearances. And it looks like he's going to just back away. But then he says, but actually simply put, yes. So and Tucker Carlson's like baffled, right? This guy who is in charge of the UFO program for the, for the government just said that he believes that the U.S. government is in possession of crash retrievals, basically. And so I asked Eric Davis that night, I said, what do you think of loose statement on Tucker Carlson? And so Dr. Davis replies, you know, I think that, you know, Lou Alizant, and this is a paraphrase, Lou Alizando's statement on Tucker Carlson about the U.S. being in possession of, you know, UFOs and UFO technology.

And first he said crashed UFO technology. And then he changed it and said, no, use this quote. crashed and landed UFO technology is 1,000% accurate. And then the notes break out, right, and is public. And everybody kind of like realizes that Dr. Eric Davis is a lot more involved in this than people assume. And that he was involved somehow, right, with getting access to crash retrieval information, right? whether however he did that and whatever he was tasked with um so you know the notes come out and it was like a huge deal because you know again those notes took that meeting took place with

dr eric davis and tom wilson in 2002 and now it's 17 years later 2019 the notes go public and people at that time realized that stephen greer had the meeting with dr edgar Mitchell and Will Miller and Tom Wilson in 97. So now people are putting everything together. And you basically, in the gist of all that, you have Vice Admiral Tom Wilson, who was the deputy DIA director. But by the time he had the meeting with Dr. Eric Davis, he had been the director of the DIA.

And then when he had the meeting in 2002 with Dr. Eric Davis, he had just retired and went to the private sector. And they met in Las Vegas at an EG&G parking lot and all that. But so now when the notes come out, everybody puts all these different pieces together. And you basically have Vice Admiral Tom Wilson going, you know, saying to Dr. Davis that we have recovered UFOs crashed and landed.

So, and now, you know, several years in the future now from 2019 into 2023, you have David Grush who was, you know, This guy was somebody who prepared, you know, presidential briefings, not necessarily on UFOs, maybe. Maybe, I don't, you know, I don't know if we would ever know that, but on other intelligence because he worked with the NRO, the National Reconnaissance Office, which is one of the most secret and highly classified government agencies and the NGA, you know, national geospatial agency, which is dealing with satellite images and, you know, if you were going to track a UFO, you know, know these are the two places you would do it because it's all the satellites right um and and because david gresh ended up you know the reason he got involved you know and i would i would recommend everybody watch the the UFO hearing that it's on youtube if you if you type in you know two thousand twenty three UFO hearing it's going to come up or oversight

congress oversight committee you know david grush has has testified under oath before Congress, along with two Navy pilots who were involved in, you know, one was involved with the Tick-Tac incident, Lieutenant Commander David Fraver involved in, you know, he testified to what he knows, especially about the Tick-Tac incident. And then you had Lieutenant Ryan Graves retired who was involved with a bunch of UFO or UAP incidents on the East Coast in 2014, 2015 with the other videos that came out with the Gimble. and they're like, hold. They're like,

holy shit, what is that, man? They're like, look at that on the ASA. And there's a whole fleet of them. You know, so he was involved with those incidents. But, you know, David Grush, you know, part of how he came into this information about crash retrievals was that he was assigned to the UAP Task Force. So after those videos were released in 2017,

eventually in, I think 2018 or 2018, 19, we officially got the UAP task force to say, hey, wait a second, what's going on? And, you know, not so much of the public knows, but some researchers know, and the people that were involved in these programs, you know, like Dr. Eric Davis, who was involved in UAP task force, at least unofficially. And these same people help put off and Lou Alizando, you know, again, to whatever capacity, either officially or unofficially, are involved with the UAP Task Force in 2018, I believe, in onwards, to investigate what does the government know about UFOs? Like what, you know, what happened to these incidents that are being reported that, because they said atyp ended, right?

And, you know, the government said, oh, you know, ATIP ended in 2012. Loua Lozano says, no, it didn't, because I was the director of ATIP until it ended. and when you know after he left until until he left so and he he came out in 2017 to the new york time so just a month before he came to the new york times he had he was the director of atyp and that's 2017 so that a tip which never really ended morphed into uap task force you know just so people have a contextual understanding of the timeline so uap task force was formed And you had Jay Stratton, who is also involved in ATIP and AASAP, I believe it becomes the director of UAP task force. And David Grush is assigned to the UAP task force to investigate as part of their investigation.

So while David Grush is, you know, is basically given orders to investigate it by the government on an official capacity, to investigate UFOs and UAPs while he's working with the UAP task force he is investigating and he finds individuals but also individuals start coming to him and I mean you need to look into David Grush's background because the level that this guy was clear to is insane again NRO and NGA extremely highly sensitive

I think they said that that David Grush had access to like 2,000 special access programs, which is insane. You know, those, most people are not going to be assigned to more than one or two or whatever it is of those programs. He had a really high clearance and oversight to special access programs. And just for context, if you want to hear more about David Grush's background, you read the debrief article that was written by Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal, again, on the debrief about that's how his story.

came out was through that debrief article and then subsequently he was on news nation with Ross Coltart giving like his testimony which ends up being like a 45 minute video that was released on News Nation just so you understand how involved and how clear that David Grush is or was and here you know you have David Grush testifying to the same things that while he was on official duty and while he was officially tasked to investigate this He has over, you know, again, he found some people and then he said people that he knew in the defense and intelligence industry for years. Like he knew these people and they were super highly cleared and classified people were telling him and providing information like documents and again, I don't know what he can publicly state, but possibly photographs and maybe videos. Again, that there's a crash retrieval program and that there's bodies that have been recovered and that there's a reverse engineering program or, you know, UFO technology exploitation program.

And he had over 40 plus witnesses that work directly on these programs to this day, that they still work on these programs to this day, give him information. and while he was investigating this he started receiving reprisals there were there so there was retaliation against david grush personally while he's assigned to do this investigation so he had to put in an you know intelligence community inspector general complaint because he's he's investigating this at an official capacity and now he's being targeted right well like you said there's two different right you know trains of thought on how it should be handled exactly i'm sure that's always been the case yeah yeah right and and but the but the side that's been trying to be more transparent has has gained momentum just recently since 2017 right right

and now they have they have some force behind them i mean now that that congress is so from 2017 like Congress didn't really know about all this. When that came out, it gave insiders the excuse and the ability and the bravery to start speaking to people in the Senate Intelligence Committee in the Congress and oversight committees, the armed service committees. At 2017, they started receiving briefings from some of these people. And, you know, we find out through David Grush's testimony, he was able to start providing some of this information to the two key people who, I mean,

Like, if you look at the Congress now, and even if like Chuck Schumer recently put out language in the National Defense Authorization Act for 2024, and, you know, he's the Senate majority leader, the most powerful man in the Senate, and he's, he put out language that is saying in the language 22 times, it says non-human intelligence, right? Right. He's not just putting that there 22 times randomly, right? even if he won't publicly admit it or whatever it is he knows something he's putting that language that he's informed right there's other and there's other people in these committees that probably have been briefed on on on a very secure level and are convinced and they're taking action that's why we're seeing this hearing the hearing come together at all right we had the hearing is unprecedented there's never been a UFO hearing in in in the history where you had service members testify it's always

and other people that are speaking to UFO evidence. This is firsthand testimony from people who are actively involved. Well, I would say, you know, like, but, you know, think about it. Like, I understand what you're saying about Congress, but, you know, well, Congress should know. I mean, okay, certain people in Congress should probably know. But, I mean, Congress is just some guy who decided they're representatives, right, right. You know what I'm saying? But Congress is in the gut.

Wait a minute. Congress, they're just representatives. Like, this is some guy who honestly, a year and a half could have been running a grocery store. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because. But the significance here is that, I mean, publicly you can see that they're pissed, right? Yeah.

You can see the actions that are being taken. Over the last course of years, there's been several of these NDAA National Defense Authorization Acts. where like the one from last year, there was over 40 pages dedicated to UAP. And in the language, you can see the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Congress are trying to get answers because they've been kept out of the loop. So there are actions being taken for more transparency. You know, you have Senator Gillibrand, who's also from New York, publicly stating, you know, that if she came into the information that this is real, she wants the public to know.

And I don't, I don't think that this is some kind of show or, or political move or whatever. I think because again, you do see the bipartisan support and you see actions being taken that where if they wanted to, they could have just all had some secret meeting somewhere. We would have never known about it and never heard about it. And that would have been the end of it. I don't think it's, you know, like, you know, I don't think it's a show. I think that these are people that genuinely just don't know and aren't being kept in the loop because. they're under kind of the whole delusion that that really that everybody's under which is something that even you said you're like well you know we're living in a democracy like we're

not living it we're technically we're a republic we're a democratic republic right so you know there's a whole other system of government and bureaucracy that is going on and has been going on for over a hundred years what 200 years I guess but let's say 100 years where it's been, let's say, let's say, well, I guess less than 100 years maybe, on this subject that has compartmentalized itself in such a way as to keep it from scrutiny from those people that believe we're living in an open, transparent democracy. Right. And so now that they're about to be just, now they're slowly being discovered, they're freaking out. Yes. Well, and see, that's the thing.

And part of the thing about the secrecy, I don't. I don't think people are so shocked about UFOs, right? I think one of the hardest things for people to realize, right, when they learn about this and they learn this is true and when this is publicly acknowledged officially is not that other entities exist and they're interacting with us. Yeah, that's kind of like, wow, that's amazing. But they have to come to terms that they've been lied to, right? Their government lied to them intentionally to keep this away from them. So what else? What else are they lying about?

What else are they keeping secret? It flips the table upside down. This is probably the big one. It is. I can't imagine. I'm sure there's lots of little things, but this is the big one. Yeah. Yes, for sure.

And so, but then at that point, you have to question your entire view of the world, your country and everything. You have to question everything at that point. Again, like for me, with the experience, it's on a very deep and personal level. But with this being publicly disclosed, and what we're seeing happen, there's a few kind of key things here. Number one, this whole thing is being exposed. So the secrecy, the disinformation, how the issue was handled.

But that also gives us the opportunity. I'm not a utopianist by any means. But this gives us an opportunity to start to get on a better path and say, you know, if we can correct this issue a little bit, right? Like there's more transparency on it. maybe that that can shift over into other parts of government where there's more transparency you know for different reasons right it gives us an opportunity to make to create change essentially you know how far that can and will go i have no idea i'm optimistic i think this is

a really teachable moment i think we can learn a lot from this whole thing um you know not just you know because also you have to realize like people are going to know now like somebody's fucking watching us, excuse my French, like people, we're being watched by a higher intelligence and what the hell are they thinking we're doing, right? I mean, there's going to be people who don't like, don't care or whatever, but they're going to be people like, wow, we're being observed by a higher intelligence and they must think we're nuts. You know, like, look what we're doing. Just look how we act, right? Like, these are like, we're hiding stuff from our own people, essentially right there are there's people with certain amounts of influence that are have misused power

and and and essentially that it affects us all though right right so this is a chance to to realize that and potentially start to make change um in in better directions and the reason i'm optimistic a little bit on that at least is because we've already seen some of those changes begin and it might just right now be mostly with the UFO stuff and the secrecy stuff and UAP transparency and how oversight has been undermined. But we've already seen Congress and Senate and bipartisan parties, you know, they have come together, work together on an issue, put their differences aside, and actually make a change. And we've been seeing that happen in real time the last six years, which it's pretty

unprecedented. So maybe that will carry over into other, other, you know, subjects and issues. Maybe they'll say, wow, look what we did when we came together and, and tackled this issue and the changes we made. Maybe, just maybe we can do that with other things too. Maybe, right? Again, I'm optimistic by nature. I'm hopeful. I'm not naive. But maybe, maybe that will be a demonstration of like when we really need to get shit done we can get it done i doubt that but i'm optimistic i'm not naive but i'm optimistic maybe because again because again and i don't think this is like a overnight thing right it's i think this is a generational like this is going to take decades because because now we're going to we're going to come to the acknowledgement

officially soon because in that chuck schumer language it says says, we need a plan to disclose this to the public, right? So, you know, with plan, there's, there's the kind of subtle thing of, like, we have to plan how we're going to communicate this, which, you know, obviously there's going to be some kind of narrative. That's unavoidable. We have to acknowledge that that they're not going to paint themselves in a bad light that, you know, why would they? But, you know, there is a plan to disclose this to the public, at least on some level, right? Who knows what they're going to end up officially acknowledging and disclosing. I do think that the crash retrieval issue has been purposely put, been put forth front and center for a reason.

I think they are going to address non-human intelligence. I think they are going to address crash retrievals and, you know, retrieved technologies and reverse engineering programs. I think that that will be publicly acknowledged. So, you know, beyond that, I don't know. I don't know how much, I can't imagine how much further than that, because even that is tremendous. So I don't know how much further than that they'll go. But, you know, with that, you're going to have a new, I mean, certainly us, we kind of have that idea, but future generations, like even the young, the people who are kids now are going to grow up knowing for a fact that we're not alone, right, that we are, you know, despite our differences, we are one human family. Right. So there's there's going to be generations growing up with that mentality, right? They have to, right? My personal, um, uh, suspicion, which could very well be wrong is I don't, I don't think that the UFO or UAP intelligence, what the others or whatever you want to call nonhuman intelligence. I don't think that, uh, they're a detrimental threat to us, right? Um, could

there be threats involved in different ways where we wouldn't be here right it would have been over right does that does that mean that they don't they could still have their own self-interest that inter that interferes with our society a little bit but i don't think they're looking to wipe us out or you know whatever it is right or take control or you know what whatever that case may be i don't know i don't know that's the fact but i don't think that's the case yeah i don't think that like listen if they wanted us go on like it would be as simple as they were just sprinkle some, you know, they sprinkle some, some dust and, and, and everybody with a human DNA would be wiped off the planet. Like, it couldn't be difficult. Right. So. Yeah. So I,

so what I wanted to say with that is you're going to have future generations, the people that are kids now and even teenagers, growing up with the mentality that we are one human society, we're one human family. And maybe to some extent, like, we have to stick together just in case, right? Because maybe there's others out there that are visiting us now there are advanced and they're not they're they're not an overt threat to us but now that we know there are those others we may encounter others in in 20 30 100 200 300 300 1000 years from now that we really need to be on the same page and not killing each other because we might have to stick together for our own survival right oh yeah it's so i mean i think so what i mean is that the social conditioning of that which might

be even intentional about the ufo phenomenon socially conditioning us um is that you know i think to some extent people are going to have a mentality that like we kind of have to not kill each other and and stick together to some extent because we have to right just to even ensure our own survival so i mean that might even be part of why the threat narrative is so you know other than the defense issues is being put out there. So that's why I say I'm optimistic because I think that this issue of non-human intelligence has the potential to teach us and make us grow in a positive direction. You know, whether we take that initiative or not is up to us, right?

Our individual and collective actions are going to decide that and it is up to us. But, you know, I'm, again, I'm optimistic. I think that people have the ability to make the right choices and start going down a path that way. And eventually, over time, you know, we're going to see a greater change, you know, maybe not utopian, right? I don't think it's going to be a utopian thing. But I think that we can grow in a constructive direction. Well, I don't think, I think humans by nature need a struggle. So I think.

Right. But we have it. Now we have it. Yeah, utopia would be hell eventually. be great for about three months it would yeah it would dissolve and right I don't I don't think yeah we need a challenge we need that kind of you know utopia yeah I think it's too idealistic yeah it's kind of like the matrix thing where he's yes yeah absolutely they kept failing yeah listen there's there's a there was a I don't know how many time I think they've read I think they've done the same experiment several times where they had like a mice generation after generation of mice that they were simply just feeding and keeping alive and initially they're having children taking care of their children um and reproducing but after six or seven generations they stop having sex that much they stop taking care of the children

that they do have they they start becoming like almost depressed they start um like there's it's a whole breakdown of the their entire society just because it's such a perfect situation for them yeah like you by nature individuals or you know species in in in general have to have something to strive towards well you remove that it's okay horrible breaks down if this is not going to come off too naive um you know maybe that challenge partially or you know could be in Instead of us, like, fighting for domain over the earth, we'll have other places to explore. And, you know, I always think that to some extent, we're going to have, yeah, differences and, and some level of conflict. But, you know, if we have a great challenge, like trying to discover in space and, you know, all these other, like, planets and stuff and potentially gather resources, and we're not fighting so much amongst each other just to survive, you know, there's maybe,

be less of that. Right. And now. But again, we're, yeah, we'll be fine. It probably won't be here to you. Right. Correct. Correct. Yeah. No, they're going to, they're going to, they have to drag this out. Yeah, I, I, I, like to me, why not just come out?

Like, at this point, it's already basically out there. Might as well just come out and say, look, we've got these crafts. Here's what they are. We'll give you, we're going to release. X amount of information. There's some stuff we're going to keep just for national security. But yes, at this time, this is what happened. These are the documented incidences.

These are the, like, that to me would be. And really, I think that would practically nip it in the butt. If you said, hey, we're reverse engineering certain programs. We're not going to tell you what they are. You know, like I'd be, I'm okay with that. I just like the concrete. I think we're going to see that in not a long time from now. I could there's already more hearings planned there's a meeting happening I'm on my bucket list I just need that I just need personally I hear you I just need it so I yeah yeah I have a few people to apologize to yeah for sure well you know so I think later this week there's going to be a meeting it's not a congressional hearing but like Tim Burchett and and others are going to be there talking about the UAP issue in DC on I believe it's the 17th and I believe it's the 17th and I believe

that will be publicly viewable. But in September, there's supposed to be another hearing, right, with more witnesses. Right. And, you know, based on what I know, speaking of different researchers and people that are involved in the background, this is not slowing down. This is not losing momentum. This is only going further and further. And the people I've spoken to that were involved with some of these programs has said, you know,

they're the push that they're doing for this is they're trying to go all the way that's the plan and these are people that are intelligence and military and they're very mission oriented you know um they're very serious about this and they're not going to stop until until it sees the light of day and i think i was just you know what's interesting to me is like i was kind of you know i've had those moments where it's like well why that if there are so many people involved in these programs how come at some point they don't come out but i i keep thinking about like um shoot what was his name uh snowden you know like like you know like these guys signed these documents and and the government doesn't care right what comes out like i don't care what well what you're doing is wrong i don't care

whether you think it's wrong or not some some people have come out over time like philop corso right he came out on his deathbed basically right because um but if you're if you're 45 years old and you've got two kids. And you're thinking, you're thinking, I know all this and I can prove it. I've actually got information. I got this. You know, some people will say, why don't you come out? Because I got two kids and a wife, bro.

Like, I'll go to prison. You think they won't throw me in prison? So, and here's the thing. We've seen some people like that. Like Lou Alizando left his career at the Pentagon where he's at the top of his game. You know, you look up Lou Alizando's credentials. This dude is, I don't know if I could walk away from that job. and he's got kids, right?

Right. And he walked away from that job to help push this forward. Now, he probably has retained his security clearances and can work in the, you know, in, you know, defense industry, right? But that's still a risk. There might be people that don't want to hire him because of that, too. So he faced a lot of, you know, pushback for what he did. but he's also not walking away with actual documents he's not walking away with really secure documents is he he he helped get the tapes out i'm not i'm not going to say to what he got

to who right i can't say that we're doing such a way that he's got plausible you know kind of deniability right like i look 100% yes when from me you know you can at least it's not like you're walking out saying look here's this he he did it in the way that it had to be done because if he just came out with the information it's not going to correct the issue people are going to say, oh, that's true or other people are going to say, oh, this bullshit, and we're still in the same spot we've been in for the last 70 years. What Louis Alizando did, Christopher Mellon, David Grush, and all these people that have been pushing for this, they've done it through official channels that has resulted in creating the change we're seeing because they did it

the right way. The disclosure project was a great initiative. I don't think we would be here without it. But the way it was done, it was almost brushed off, right? Because it got the awareness out there but nobody was brave enough to make the changes it didn't go through the proper channels it was just like you know to hell with it you know we are we're just putting this out there and again it ultimately led us here because i don't think we would be here now if those events didn't occur with with stephen greer and then that because you know the disclosure project was in 2001 right but stephen greer and lawrence rockefeller and you know bill clinton tried to get involved and got pushed out and other people tried this was going on in the early

90s so it took from early 90s with project starlight with stephen greer and laurence rockefeller and and bigelow was involved back then and all these people were involved until 2001 when the disclosure project happened just to get that meet that event in washington dc to occur and from 2001 to 2017 for more people on the inside realizing that this is true and working together and Harry Reid creating the offset program in 2007, 2008, and getting a program on the record, which was later publicly disclosed by Lou Elizondo and acknowledged by everybody else who was involved, you know, which there are a lot of people, a lot of people made this happen from the inside. And, you know, again, there's been

distrust over that because there's, oh, you can't trust these people, but, you know, who else you're going to get the information other than the people that are involved, right? Right. So, and so there's a lot of distrust in, in some of the research community, because they're paranoid and they should be, but that's the result of 80, 90 year cover-up, basically, you know. Right. It has this, it's created a cognitive dissonance. And it's, you know, the cover-up has been, has done a lot of damage, right?

But now, you know, you have another individual who came forward, who I've mentioned a bunch of times now, is David Grush, right? So David Grush came out, but he did so, like, through an official channel. He went to the intelligence community inspector general and put an official complaint. Not only that he witnessed these things, these programs being mismanaged, but also that he faced retaliation personally. and was in fear of his life because of this. And the intelligence community inspector general,

as reported by that deep brief article on David Grush, deemed his testimony and the evidence that he provided to the intelligence community inspector general, he deemed it urgent and credible. Okay. So, and, and, and, and, and, and, David Gresh has given over 11 and a half hours privately on all the information he knows to these people, right, in the intelligence community inspector general and maybe people within Congress, that he, 11 and a half hours of testimony, but also provided all the evidence to support his claims. And there were people that have worked directly on the program, other whistleblowers, that David Grush vetted. have also testified in a classified setting, you know,

privately to these intelligence community inspector general and maybe in different committees. There's several of those 40 plus witnesses have also supported and cooperated and verified what David Gresh reported initially. So there's a ton of other witnesses that are out there that have worked. or do work directly on these UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs that have spoken to the people that can actually do something about it. And that's why we're seeing this ground swell. And that's why we're seeing everything happen now. Because these people that are making the language and these decisions now,

basically, they're in the loop now. And there's no going back, basically. You're not putting this one back. because somebody, you know, at any given time, if things don't go a court, if things don't go the nice way, some of these people are going to put the information out anyways, right? You don't really want to come out officially and say, listen, it's just not the case, you know, and take a hard stand at this point because then suddenly, suddenly people get it frustrated and they come out and they go ahead and they say, I'll bite the bullet, and I'm going to release some stuff.

Right. And now you're the guy that was standing in front of the podium lying. Yeah. Well, and the thing is like now there's there's enough momentum and there's enough support that when that information comes out now, it won't be disregarded. People will investigate it actively. And when when they investigate it, they're going to find they're going to they've been provided the information. And, you know, I'm convinced that several of these people have already have their some of their evidence and testimony. somewhere nice so if things don't go the right way there are people in key places that are

going to release the information anyways and it's going to come out to the public one way or another so it's in the best interest of congress and the senate and even people within these programs that are trying to stonewall this it's within their best interest to go along with what's going on because they're only going to get hurt if they don't because david grush provided locations personnel, code names and code numbers, everything of where these programs are, how to find them, how they're funded. And even in some of the recent NDAA language, people have been given anonymity to come forward within a certain time period. And if they don't come forward and they're found after the six-month period or a 60-day period, whatever it is, they could be charged criminally under pressure. For not coming forward when they were asked to specifically. So it's within their best interest to comply, basically. And again, they're being they're being given amnesty to some degree. So they, even if they're part of a program like this or they have knowledge of it, they're not going to be penalized by the government. They're not going to be persecuted for being involved. You know, they can come forward safely with the information testimony and the evidence.

that they have on this just specifically pertaining to the UFO or UAP subject and provided to the proper people that they need to, the proper committees, and they will, they will not receive retaliation or, you know, they won't get in trouble for it. Well, if you're one of the people that don't want this to come out, you were in charge of one of those, you got, they've got those agencies or, or programs and they've got to be freaking out right now. hell yeah hell yeah to be in one of those meetings everybody's like there's been speculation in the research community

about that too and I don't I don't want to contribute to rumors but yeah that's that's certainly the case and I think there's enough people that are within those programs

that are on board that they're they're complying and they're you know the reason that David Grush was able to come out was because the prior year in the NDA language, the National Defense Authorization Act language, and the Gillibrand Amendment, they called for whistleblower protection. So that's how David Grush was able to come out

as a whistleblower. He's the first official UFO whistleblower in history. And so his case is highly important. And the fact that he was able to testify under oath in front of Congress is super important. And I think it's really important that people get behind him and support him because the people that are willing to come behind him and follow up and be whistleblowers are watching how David Grush is being treated. So I think we really need to support him. So other people will be encouraged to come behind him and share their testimony and be whistleblowers to this subject as well. Right.

Well, listen, I, and you, you, you, do you talk about this on your channel, all this, the different things are happening or what is your channel your YouTube channel specifically going over do you go I talk about everything I talk about everything so I I talk about contact and CE5 and experience or stuff but I also talk about this issue and you know again I'll I'll go into some history stuff sometimes I'll but current events for sure the last the last interview I did with my friend Ryan Robbins, who has Post Disclosure World, who you should have him on as a guest sometime. He's a great, he's a researcher, but he makes great videos. If you look him up, I think you'll be entertained by his videos, but also informed. So I cover all this

on my channel engaging the phenomenon because it's important. And the thing is, it's, everything is so fast nowadays. Like years ago in the research community, if there was like one shitty news article we were like yes victory it's it's like a full-time job now it's it's hard to keep up with everything that's going on that's how fast it's moving now we're so interconnected at this point yeah well and there's just so much happening there's so many like congressional you know witnesses coming forward new information coming forward new more reporting on it um you know because you have other mainstream reporters right um my i believe his name is michael schellenberger I hope I'm not messing up his name, who has been publicly reporting.

He's an investigative journalist. I think he wrote an article for the time. And he's spoken to some of these witnesses, some of these whistleblowers, and he can't share their identity, but he's saying he's vetted all their credentials. They are who they say they are. They have the security clearances that they claim to have. And they're telling him, like, we have these crafts.

we have the reverse engineering programs and uh you know bodies and everything and um so there's other investigative journalists like him and he he even said this on uh the the skeptics show uh michael schumer i mean uh michael um i'm blanking on his name now of the guy who's uh the skeptic guy um i don't know who that is all right yeah every every everybody everybody will know who i'm talking about he's he's like the official skeptic um but he you know Michael Schumer Michael Shermer so Michael Schumer runs like a skeptical podcast and he had uh this gentleman on and they were talking about these issues and again he's written an article about it so and again Leslie Kane is another journalist and Ralph Blumenthal that you know people need to keep

track of their work and what they're saying Ross Colthart has done a lot of work on this um he did the original video interview with uh david grush on news nation um you know i'm not crazy about mainstream news sources but news nation has taken this topic on full on and when it comes to this they've been doing excellent reporting uh fearless basically they're they're not holding any punches so if you go on like news nation's youtube channel and you're looking at all their UFO content, they're not pulling punches. So if, you know, you want to stay up to speed, it's definitely, you know, it's a good idea to check some of those out either, uh, as well. Okay. Well, listen, I, I, I appreciate you coming on and, you know, going over your story and

and just, you know, talking about talking on the subject, you're clearly way more knowledgeable than I am um yeah well you know thanks for having me on i really appreciate it you know you have the open mind enough to and and the eyes to see that you know what's going on right in front everybody's eyes basically now at this point well i think i know i can't imagine anybody at this point would would not realize that there's something obviously major that's happening there's still some people that are like holy and it's believe it or not it's like the hardcore scientific community like Neil deGrasi

Tyson and Mick West and others who they some they think that listen 25 years ago they were mock people that would look for other planets right right exactly there's hundreds of thousands of them now what happened to being a what happened to be in ridiculous

looking for other planets now yeah now there's now there's millions of Goldilocks planets there's millions of earth like planets right exactly they're in that perfect zone where there's so there's a super good chance of life and that's just our that's just our galaxy right there's hundreds of billions of other galaxies right i i tend to because i you know with time you tend to be wrong so often i tend to not dig in on anything i it's it's there's so much there's just so much information

in our world today you can't keep track of everything you know like it's it's just crazy even with the UFO subject now, it's like almost too much, right? And any other subject subsequently, like, again, this, the astrology and all this, it's just like, it's overwhelming. So you got to pick, you got to use your time,

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