Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - UFO Whistleblower Breaks Silence on Controversial Video

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

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I know this film is real. I have the military paper that had me assigned to Area 51. We have craft and beans there. got it all. Names, dates, photos, videos. One thing I would like to say, please don't cut this out. I just want you to know that today we're going to be poking the hornet's nest. Okay. And I hope you're prepared. The serendipity, the bizarre cosmic coincidences for the past five years in my life and with this video, I think even a person that isn't religious or spiritual would say this guy is, there's some cosmic divinesness going, there's some cosmic energy going on here.

where just things have just been one after another falling into place. And all I can say is the coincidences are not coincidences. There's some kind of bizarre weirdness and timing with this video. Can you break down a quick timeline of the footage? First time we ever hear of alien interview is a CIA pilot, famous uphologist John Lear, in 1987, tells George Knapp on a local Las Vegas TV, there's an alien interview film about to be released. 1989. Bob Lazzar comes out, says I'm, I was, I worked at this crazy bizarre facility called S-4,

South the Vary of 51. We have craft and he thinks beans there. And we're reverse engineering both, examining both. 1991, we know now this film is shot with this being. I want to be very clear, all telepathic, or they call them thought projection interviews were filmed by the government audiovisual department. every single one of them. There's hundreds, if not thousands of interrogations of these beings on film.

And Victor then, that film is smuggled out in 91 by an Air Force cameraman. The cabal sits on it for five years. Victor, in 1996, starts making the rounds in Los Angeles to try and get a network to release this. And he eventually ends up at Rocket Pictures, a second-tier video production company, They agree to keep his name is anonymity. They agree on a payment. He does not want to come on camera, but they say that's part of the deal. And in 1997, on an upstart network, on a brand new show called Strange Universe that was sorely underfunded.

This comes out as a one-hour special documentary, The Alien Interview. And that is where I see it for the first time. But I was sitting in my literary room going, what am I watching here? This gray alien is tan. the medics are not in pressurized suits. If you and I were hoaxing a video, we would have had those medics and pressurized suits and really there's two army generals in the foreground.

Their shoulders are getting into the shot. It looked really, really bad, or it looked like just a run-of-the-mill casual taping of an alien interview, of an extracurtsor being interviewed. And I thought it could have been a hoax, but there was so many things, especially Victor the whistleblower,

who talked so scientifically, that it sat in the back of my mind like something's not right with this film. I'm not saying it's if authentic. Something. I'm a smart individual. I'm cagey. I'm street smart. And my street smarts were being, they were being poked like something's not right with this film.

There sticks in my brain until 1999 I run for Congress. And I drop out and I endorse the man called Mark Kirk, who later became the congressman and one-term senator for Illinois. He was in Naval Intelligence before he became a congressional aide. So we're on the bus and I said, Mark, what is DNI? This is the little three-letter abbreviation on the bottom of that film. I said, is the Department of Naval Intelligence real?

And he gasped and he went, oh, the DNI. And he kind of faded in reflection. I'm like, wait a minute. This guy just coughed on himself about three letters on it. alleged hoax film. And that's when I said, some point in my life, I'm going to find out about this film if somebody doesn't already come forward to tell me about it. And I was semi-retired as 2019. And for some reason, Matthew, I was in my car. This film was on my brain, which happened a

lot. And I said, I'm going to find something about this film. I'm going to prove something fake about this film so I can move on with my life and put this out of my head. And I investigated that bizarre monitor that the blip, the green blip that goes up and down and not across. I talked to three PhD fellows who are doing the history of physiological monitors. I talked to space labs who made monitors for NASA. I talked to Hewlett-Packard that were making monitors in the early 90s. When this film was done, all of them shrugged their shoulders and said, we have no idea. The man at Space Lab says, I think you're looking at a one-off.

I said, what's a one-off? He said, that's a device made for one particular purpose. It's not made in a series. It's just there's one of them, one off. And he goes, and I think that's what you're looking at there. And I said, wait a minute. This cheap production company on a cheap upstart network with no money has made a monitor that no one knows what the hell we're looking at.

And we've got three letters on the bottom of this film that just made a congressman who was in naval intelligence choke on his words. You know, that's when I said something's not right. I still think it's fake, but I'm going to put the pedal of the metal and investigate it. And that's what I did in January of 19. Tell me first, when did you even see it? Because there was no YouTube. You must have.

1997. It came out on the UPN network, which was an upstart network. And that's one of the hallmarks of this entire investigation was the lack of money. Follow the money. I did follow the money. The lack of money. Upstart network, UPN network. I don't even know if it's still around.

I think it's maybe called the U. I don't even know if it's still around. On a upstart program called Strange Universe that didn't pay its employees for the first four episodes because they lacked the funding. And so this crazy, well-done animatronic alien allegedly comes on this program for a one-hour special. And I was in my condo downtown going,

what am I looking at? This thing is tan. I thought gray aliens are gray. It's got round eyes. Its mouth is opening. Foam is coming out of the mouth. This highly scientific scientist, the whistleblower Victor is talking about it. I know he's not an actor.

You can't write what he said. He comes back on a radio show, Art Bell, Coast to Coast, a hype for marketing for the documentary. And he answers an hour and a half of unrehearsed questions. And in 97, I just said, I don't. know when, but somehow I'm going to find out the truth in this film. And I sat around until 08, waiting for, you know, somebody to come out to say, my uncle built the animatronic alien. Right. You know, I did the craft crew. I fed the people for that production that day. I did the accounting. No one. Victor comes back in 08. He is goading the skeptics. A hoaxer? I mean,

you're more street smart than me. A hoaxer comes back and says, come on. Where are you, Where are you people? Why wouldn't you investigate me? If it's so easy to make this puppet, make one. If I'm a fake, find out who I am. So who is Victor in the film? Is he in the film? And he, like, is he the person that shot the film?

Like, you're saying the whistleblower. Is he the person that got the film out and just disseminated it? Great question. Victor is the person that claimed to have made a copy of it and was he called the active agent who removed this from Area 51 and out of that facility. We now know that that is not entirely true from our investigation. It was actually a United States Air Force cameraman that was the active agent that made the second copy. It was a 16mm film and took this off of Area 51.

A group of disgruntled employees of S4 and this extraterrestrial program would meet in Las Vegas. They waited five years. I can see your brain going like this. These are not hoax. This is not the hallmark. A hoaxer gets it out and give me the money. Give me the money. They wait five years and then release the film and sell it to rocket pictures.

I mean, nothing makes sense. Okay, so let's assume that this is a real alien, right? How does Victor saying that the alien, that the alien ended up on the military base being, you know, they say it's an interview, but it seems more like they're like a medical example. or something. But anyway, so being examined or interviewed, whatever. Yeah. You know, how does that, how does he come about to be there? Does Victor know that? Yes, Victor said the alien being arrived in 1989, and we have corroborating people telling us that,

yes, this being arrived crashed in a craft, three other occupants, pilots, who we don't know the disposition of them, whether they were alive or dead, and came to the S-4 facility in 1989, died soon after the interview program. He was, the one we saw. He perished soon after that interview that we did see. You ever see Close Encounters of the third kind? Yeah. So, Colby's never seen it. Oh, yeah. A great film. Richard, Richard Dreyfus? Richard Drey. Jerry Gar, yeah. Yeah, he witnesses a UFO. and he's just a normal like he's a troubleshooter

for an elect, I want to say the phone A lineman, yeah, for electric company He has a lineman for the electric company And he just happens to be out driving and he He witnesses, he just witnesses it Like there's no interaction real Really I don't think, not much anyway And but for some reason

And it changes his entire psyche And he can't get it out of his mind And he starts building He starts sculpting this mountain which is a very odd looking mountain like super weird looking

and he's sculpting it I mean he abandons his his duties as a father as a husband he's ignoring his family ignoring his family just is focused 100% on this whole thing and it's driving him and driving him

and it ends up as he's building like his wife takes the kids and leaves like we're gone we're done like you're crazy he's building this huge sculpt inside the house. In his living room. In his living room. He's got dirt from out in the yard.

He's building this whole. He's got little tiny shrubs. He's put in his trees. Like it's insane. It's all the way up to the ceiling. And you're going, this is nuts. He's sculpting it. He just keep looking at it.

He can't get it out of his mind. And then one day, you know, everything's falling around. Like he loses his jaw. Like everything's just going to crap. He's sitting there and he has. happens to turn and he sees the same mountain on a news program. And he sees it, this is a mountain, like, if you looked at it, you're like, it doesn't even look like, it looks like nothing you've ever seen.

But he looks at it and it's literally, it's the same thing that's sitting in his living room. And that tells him, I have to go there. That's what I'm saying. That's why I can't get that. I have to go there. And when he gets there, there's tons of people just like him there. it turns out that the military has made up this complete fabricated story that something has gone wrong,

there's gases or something in the area, everybody has to wear their masks, they tell all these, they've evacuated the town around this, all everybody, nobody can come in the area, but the truth is this area has been chosen to receive an alien ship, which is kind of sent a signal that is saying like we're coming here to where this mountain is and it's sent out this I don't know what it is but all these people around the world have seen this image and are all headed there not everybody and if you hadn't seen it you may still be in your country drawing sketches of this image that you just don't know where to go he just happened to see the news program this is back in the 80s where it's 70s sorry where information is not readily available so you have to be it has to

There's probably thousands of people that have seen this image and are in their mind and never saw the TV program. Just happened that maybe these 40 or 50 people did. They get there. The military is saying, hey, you can't stay here. They're flying a mountain helicopters. This guy and a few people end up escaping the military, getting to the mountain and getting to the location when the aliens come down. And it's close encounters of the third or fourth kind. And they take him onto the ship.

and flies away. But it's just a, it's, it was such a, um, such an amazing movie because there's just been nothing like that out there. Yep. And so it just, it's just, I don't know why it is. It jumped into my mind that you're like, I just couldn't get this out of my mind. I couldn't get it. I couldn't get it.

I couldn't. Um, because obviously didn't have the effect on, on everybody. Right. But anyway, so you, you're investigating. Sorry for that. Um, but I'm bringing it back. Yeah. So you decide, I'm looking.

into this, you start looking into it. So what's the first guy? So you find out about the one-off device. And at what, I mean, so is there other things that happen or you suddenly get contacted? No, I said to myself, well, okay, you know, I'm all full of, you know, chutzpah, but I don't know where to go. I'm not a euphologist. I don't know anybody in the military. What do I do? But from watching documentaries from the 70s as a little kid, I, and no, and being into euphology and crypto zoology and interested in all of that, I know that at times researchers who come out on radio programs, television, or write a book, sometimes those people do get contacted by deep insiders with inside knowledge.

This happens a lot. They'll get a canister of, you know, 8mm film to their house. They'll get a document sent to them anonymously. So I said, who can I contact to start the, to metastomestim, this investigation. So I called an old podcaster, old radio program, still on the air. He's been on since like 90, whatever. His name is Jeff Frenz on the jeffrentz.com radio, internet radio show. And he said, I know this video. I believe this video is real. Come on. I'll help you. You know, get the word out that you're starting to investigate it. And that's what I did. And I was humble.

I had my hat in my hand, begging the UFO community or the military. someone to help me, someone to give me any information, whether it's real or not. Remember, I'm going at this as a hoax. That's what a scientist does. You go at something to prove it's not true, not like, I know it's true. I'm going to ram it down. I didn't do that. Lo and behold, this happened right before Labor Memorial Day, I go on his program.

All my emails get swiped off my phone. So after the interview, he was like, oh, you did a great job. I hope it helps out. I go to his producer. I said all of my emails have been removed from my iPhone. Producer goes, that happens all the time. I'm like, what? Because it happens all the time.

Weirdness to all of our guests. It's just part of the landscape. I'm like, I'm not part of your landscape. I'm like, who's doing this? He's like, well, what do you think? We think the government has been monitoring us for years. I'm like, okay. I'm like, whatever.

Two weeks later, in about the middle of June, I get my first email from a person. And it just simply says, you know, I caught your interview on Jeff Rents. I'll never forget the language. You got some things right. You got some things wrong. I'm knowledgeable of these programs if I can give your investigation a nudge. I'll never forget that word.

I will do so. And he emails me once a month for nine months. In between that, I contact a very mysterious and controversial figure in uphology, a former counterintelligence agent, agent with the United States Air Force Office of Special Investigations. His name is Rick Doty. People in Uphology, of course, I know him. And a lot of people have a knee-jerk reaction to him.

But he's the only person in the world that says, I have the DD-214, the military paper, that had me assigned to Area 51. And I told him about this. My wife contacted him on Facebook. I called him. He's like, you're on a very interesting endeavor. And, you know, kind of feeling me out if I was a Google, what I was going to do.

And again, I could see this was a pattern with intelligence people. They just don't give you, reveal everything at once. They feel you out. They want to give you a crackball or not. And it was interesting. Here's this counterintelligence agent that's supposed to give you all the bullshit, whether it's tell you it's real, real, real, it's fake, fake, or, you know. And he tells me, I don't know much about that film.

But one thing I do know, it's real. And I'm like, you're sure. He goes, I'm a thousand percent sure. He goes, and that's probably one of the only films out there on the internet right now that does show and depict an actual extraterrestrial. I said, do you know who Victor is? I don't know who Victor is. Do you know about S4?

He said, yeah, I know S4, but that wasn't the facility that that film was shot. I'm like, excuse me, he said, John, there's a ground floor building south of Papoose Lake or south of Area 51. It's called S2, the S2, S2, Alpha, Site 2, S2, A2N. It's the ground floor building, and that sits above this underground labyrinth of biocontainment facilities, research facilities, biological labs, and whatnot. And he said, that's where the AHC is. I'm like, what's the AACC? Well, that's the alien housing complex.

And I'm doing the, okay, okay, Mr. Counterintelligence agent, the alien housing complex. He said, look, I'll tell you, I've never been down to levels of three, two, three, and four, but I was stationed above ground. I was the counterintelligent agent. I had to be briefed in what was going on in that facility. So I knew, without seeing in person what was going on in that facility, and that was the housing center for the alien interrogation and retention. They would retain these beings and they would telepathically interrogate them.

he went on after months to tell me some of the beings had to live in like these bizarre hyperbaric chambers one being could only breathe methane gas so they had an outfit of chamber with only in methane one they had to put in almost like a biosphere and my creature

the alien they show on my videotape was in distress and Victor says it was developing microbial bacteria in its respiratory system even though they kind of had a defense mechanism for that they were they were still um they were still receptive to our microbial uh bacteria and that being was very sick and even that being had to have like bariatric tree bariatric chamber treatment so

a very weird bizarre complex uh and a very weird story that was playing out that was not refuting victor's testimony but was bearing truth to what bob lazar said and and victor and let me just jump back real quickly a security guard who claimed to be the assassin for the CIA said during his cooling off periods between assassinations, he was stationed at S-4. So were other workers for the CIA that did contract work for the CIA that were in the military. They were stationed below at this facility in their cooling off periods. And he said, yes, there was dead aliens there.

There were live aliens there. I heard. And again, a liar would be like, I saw the beans. I worked with the beans. He goes, I was never allowed in level three and four. I never saw a live alien, but I saw the dead ones in six bio-fluid containment chambers, but I never saw a live one. So I'm just saying if you're to lie, if you're to hoax this,

if you're a counterintelligence agent trying to bullshit this car dealer from Chicago, me, you would tell them crazy stories. I find it funny that all of these people are telling me stories that are not hyperbileged. I saw the aliens. I worked with them or whatnot. Even Victor says I was not stationed there, but I had a reason to be at that underground facility at times. I wouldn't say that if I was hoaxing. I would be like, I was the scientist. I touched the bodies. I, you know, just bizarre stuff that this, this coincidence of, and I can't think of the, I can't think of a good word, Matthew, but it's almost like this, like this, this firewall with these people where I thought the stories

were accurate because they weren't going the full, the full Monty of, oh, yes, I was around these beings and whatnot. Aren't most facilities set up so that they're compartmentalized? Like Snowden's, you know, when he describes being in these facilities, he talks about how like this department has no interaction with this department. And, you know, like, you know, you get in the building and you have kind of carte blanche, but only within your departments, right? So it's not, you're not walking to different departments. I know just from, because I was an insurance adjuster for, I don't know, six months to a year, we all use the same system, but like the, you couldn't go on the actuarial part of that system.

And the agents couldn't go on the part that the adjusters went on and the appraisers couldn't go on. You know what I'm saying? Like you can't change anything. Maybe you could see it, but you couldn't alter anything. Like most things are, especially in government bodies are compartmentalized. You did your homework. I'm impressed. Yes, even Bob Lazar says, I worked on propulsion, but propulsion for this craft only.

There was other people that worked on avionics maybe or some other part or flight controls or life support of this craft. And Bob Lazar said we didn't even, weren't allowed to even talk to each other. Yeah, I was going to say, shouldn't be any interaction. No. Unless you approach like you're a superior and say, look, I need to talk to this. person and they would probably bring you together in a room to have a discussion. Exactly. We even have a biologist that's a ledge biologist who says, yeah, I worked on tissue, but somebody else

would work on the reproductive if there was reproductive. Somebody else would work on the respiratory and we weren't allowed to talk. Even Victor gives a bizarre, and even Bob Lazard and Victor both give a bizarre little antidote where the propulsion said at this lunch table, you know, avionic said at this table, metallurgy set at that table. and communicate with each other. And Bob Lazar said it was that lack of imagination, that lack of communication that was the Achilles heel of this program where scientists should be collaborating and talking with each other.

And Victor and Bob Lazar and many other people that I've talked to in this program say the same exact repetitive story. There was very normal average intelligence at the top of this program. We weren't a lot of talk to each other. and that's where we could have solved of things by communicating we were never allowed to. Highly, highly compartmentalized. So for people that don't know, who is Bob Lazar?

Okay. Bob Lazar is a man... Colby doesn't know, by the way. Okay. This is very interesting. Although he has a sketchy background, because I believe he was sheep-dipped, and he's had some...

He's had a sketchy background. Sheep-dipped. What does that mean? Okay, sheep-dipped is the military intelligence term of publicly removing any of your biotech. that might directly relate back to what you did in covert projects. Okay. So Matthew Cox says I was a biologist and I went to Harvard and I was an expert in microbiology

and I was down in this facility examining aliens. They would do their best to have Harvard wipe out your degree and your education or try and make it very difficult for people for you to prove that you went to Harvard. right and they say to lend to discredit you right and that you say i worked for the government they say he did work for the government because we can't erase the fact that we deposited checks but he was actually a janitor in this building over here and he never even got close to area 50 you got a totally different state you got it you got it you got to make you look like to make you look incompetent yeah exactly and so bob lazar comes forward to k a ls tv and george nap a reporter who's

the famous uphologist now or reporting on this phenomenon. And he says, look, I worked at this facility. He mentions for the first time Area 51, the facility was called S4, and I worked on reverse propulsion. Everybody's, you know, just exploded, exploded the TV networks and all over the country and in Asia and whatnot. And his story has never changed in 30 years. He claimed to be working on an element called 115, which was the element that

the beings used for their anti-gravitics or their zero point energy device and highly, you know, very intelligent person. But he claimed, again, so people are like, well, he claimed out for fame and fortune. Now we find out he came out because the people at this facility stopped contacting him to come out and go and work at the facility. He would get a call at Las Vegas airport at 11 p.m. You're going, you're going to go to the facility. They stopped calling him.

He thinks that they're going to whack him, that they're going to assassinate him. Right. Because he was talking to John Lear, that pilot that came out in 1986. Come to find out was Bob Lazar's wife was having an affair, and they figured he was compromised. Now, Bob Lazar was compromised. The wife's having an affair because they tapped his phones, but they couldn't tell him that they tapped his phones

and that his wife was having an affair. But so it was a compromise. convoluted. So I think it's important to know that. The first time someone comes out really talks about S4 and working there, it's because he's afraid of getting killed, not because he wants $1,000 or a Corvette or whatnot. So that's the Bob Lazar story. And in 30 years, his story has not changed. That he worked on advanced propulsion or reverse engineering of alien propulsion. He tells a weird anecdotal story that I have backed up with four other people, how the craft, even, even even though they're not manned sitting in these hangers out at this S2 annex, S2L, this S4 facility, some of them give off this electrostatic discharge where that security guard, the assassin said he would put Vaseline on his arms to keep the hair from rising up when he was guarding these crafts. That is just two of a weird, minute, bizarre, anecdotal story that I've heard four times now that makes me think that Bob Lazar was there.

And then the bombshell, I have a group of people that have the logbook, the entry logbook into Area 51. And they said Bob Lazar's name is on that logbook from 1988 to 1990. He was there for about 92 days, a loud entry. And they have his name on this entry logbook, officially placing there. But you're right. Was he just doing electronic repair? A janitor?

We'll never know. For sure. But so the government does, do they admit that he was there or they, and what do they say? Nothing. Nothing. They don't respond at all. Here's a bizarre. And here's another bizarre coincidence.

The same man that Victor claims got him into this facility is the same man Bob Lazar claims got him into this facility. Under desperation to try and figure out the propulsion and everything about the, the, the, the makeup of these non-human crafts. a man named Dr. Teller, the inventor, or one of the inventors of the atomic Manhattan Project, the invention of the atomic bomb, was so desperate that he let Bob Lazar go into this facility, trying to get like an outsider's opinion, which is very smart. You're a businessman, you know, let me get some out, let me, we call it putting somebody else's eyes on our problem or situation. And Victor says the man that got him down into S-4 was Dr. Teller.

So we have a coincidental man that has a, that's tangentially related to two, to two whistleblowers. Just another coincidence. Okay. So, so we're, let's go back to you were being contacted by someone every month. And, um, and you were doing an investigation, you were being kind of prodded along, you know, helped. I believe so. And, and so what happened at that point? On my birthday.

Okay. On my birthday. That's shocking. I'm a public figure. I ran for office. I was a professional roster. It's not easy, but you can find my birthday. On my birthday, I get an email in the memo, it says,

from the horse's mouth. And I want to be very specific here, and I've been doing a good job being specific here. Because people demand that in the UFO community. Okay, my main leaker that was emailing me for nine months, sent me a forwarded email to him from a person in the DIA. Who's the DIA?

allegedly, and Rick Doty backs us up, this is the government agency, the defense intelligence agency that runs the umbrella that is the entire alien retention and interview and reverse engineering program. It's called Project Aquarius, and it is the umbrella program for all contact with extraterrestrials and homo sapiens sapiens. and the DIA runs this with in conjunction with other agencies and other, you know, military, you know, like the Navy, the Army, Air Force Institute of Pathology, which no one ever talks about in Uphology, the Department of Energy. So, and my leakers in his 70s, so he's not a, he's not a computer expert. So he mistakenly includes the person from the DIA's email in his email to me. And the email is what's called an unauthorized viewing. That's what they called the theft of this film. You and I would have said the theft of the alien interview.

No, the DIA called it an unauthorized viewing. And very simple, it was his friend at the DIA telling him, here's the date of this film, here's what type of being it was, haploid, H-A-P-L-O-I-H-A-P-L-I-Hap-L-L-I. It was a C-B-E-C-E-Clonged biological entity, extraterrestrial entity. The filming date was April 22nd, 1991, at 315 in the afternoon. It was this segment was being filmed for the Department of Naval Intelligence, D&I.

And I still get, like, weirdness, because my hand was shaking. I looked down, and there are names of military. men. These were the men that were in the viewing gallery at the time of this interview. And it started mentioning doctors, vice admirals, captains of Army and Navy Intelligence. And it said Carthusian monks. I'm like, you know, I was on a McDonald's outside of Gary, Indiana at a toll, a rest stop off the highway. My hand was shaking. Like I'm getting names to the, there's like a realness to this, to this video. And I went on the internet just in a cursory search and started putting in these men's names.

And I'm getting Wikipedia bio photos of these military men that I've never heard of, but they're all part of military intelligence to some degree. I look up Carthusian monk, and it's a monastery in Mount Equinox, Vermont. And I'm like, you know, okay, just, you know, let me go home. And so for four months, I started researching all these men. on the list. I find out that that all of them were dead except one. And I started emailing him. And he started emailing me back.

His name was Vice Admiral William Jacoby. But on the, now I want Matthew Cox's like, you know, yay or nay here. On the report from 91, it said Captain William Jacoby. Now, I'm sorry, Captain Lowell Jackson. So I said, wait a minute, I'm on Wikipedia. He's a vice admiral. This is a hoax. My investigator goes, dude. Yeah, he keeps getting raised up through the rank, right? There you go. Thank you. You don't stay a... Thank you. Okay. So I'm like... Yeah, you don't stay a corporate or a lieutenant or for very long if you're a military guy. Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case. So I'm saying to myself, as a 75-year-old man who I Googled my leaker, he's a prominent philanthropist,

member of a metropolitan city society, if you Googled his name, the main leaker, which I will never reveal. You'd see him and his wife on the red carpet somewhere in a metropolitan city. This guy is going to think of to put the ranks in 91. So I start emailing this vice ad, well, I'm a documentarian, which I wasn't at the time. so on and so forth. We're like internet bodies. I was going to go to Virginia. He asked this guy to play golf.

He finally says, look, you contact me for a reason. What do you have? What do you want to ask me? And I sent him the list, not knowing this guy was also a former DIA director. So I sent him the inner office memorandum, the investigation of this film.

And he ghosted me. And I think in 2022 when that happened, and when you ghost somebody, electronically, that speaks volumes. He didn't say, you're freaking crazy, you're nuts. Where did you get this? Aliens, are you insane? Go, you know, go to a psych ward.

He just said nothing. People in the military have told me that when an honorable military person does not want to lie to you, they just won't talk to you. They won't say anything. They won't answer anything. So I thought that was really bizarre. And to keep from getting in trouble yourself, you should immediately contact. the authorities or whoever you're the higher ups are and even if you're retired you know you don't

really have the in military intelligence very you don't have the privilege of saying I just threw it away and I didn't like and you didn't think to tell us so you probably contacted somebody and they said look we'll look into it don't talk to the guy I know he did okay I know he did so I go back I'm good he you know it and this is why I flew here because you you get it and I love that about you Rick Doty, months later, says, you know, I don't want to scare you, and I don't want to alarm you. But don't start your car this morning. He goes, I'm having a conversation with a friend of mine in DIA. Totally unrelated.

This guy starts turning the conversation towards, you know, there's a lot of stuff out there. We're starting to get a bunch of foias about. Papu Stry Lake, that's like the code name of, because that's where the alien complex allegedly resides. And Rick Doty goes, well, that's interesting. I know a guy that's investigating it. And Rick Doty, this is Rick Doty telling me. And I said, do you guys know what John Stewart? And Rick said, this guy went, ho!

And I'm sorry, I'm loud. Oh, you goddamn right, we know who John Stewart is. He goes, that guy has sent up trip flares at DIA. And Rick said he went like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's contacted me and kind of just fluffed it off. And Rick, so I just want you to be very careful what you're doing. Don't thumb your nose in anybody's face. You know, just tread very carefully.

Because I was sending FOIA request to the DIA. Do you have any information on this coded document? What's S2 Alpha? S2 Alpha was never in the uphology nomenclature. I was the first person with Rick Doty to bring this to the surface. So, yeah, the DIA must have shit on themselves when they saw that in a federal FOIA request, freedom of information request.

Freedom of information request. Which anybody can request. And supposedly any government body is supposed to give you the information if it's available. I almost choke down my water. Yeah. But, you know, they a lot of times sometimes they'll say, oh, it's an active investigation or due to national security.

We can't release that information. And so that's kind of a catch-all. Anything they don't want to give you, they can just say, Oh, it's a national, national security. We can't give it to you. Which is funny because, like, if I'm requesting something that's silly or untrue, why would you use that as your reason? Like, there must be something there.

Or you could, because what they should say is, we got nothing on this. We don't know what you're talking about, bro. Right. Exactly. Why, I was told why the government never prosecuted all these three or four men about this film theft. prosecute them.

You're going to bring this in court with discovery? I thought this is a fake, I thought this is a fake alien interview. Why are you prosecuting somebody for the theft of it? I was about to say Guantanamo Bay hadn't been opened yet. No. But when was Guantanamo? Yeah, yeah, it was.

2001. I mean, they could have. I don't know when this investigation of that. How do you drag someone there if you're not saying they're a terrorist? You know, you drag in there, that would hit the news. Like, okay, they just, right. Some black helicopter scooped down, picked up some woman's husband and, you know, three other fucking random guys and brought them to Guantanamo Bay and won't tell your wives and family members where they're at. That's going to raise some suspicion.

A clandestine leaker anonymous says foyer this, this code of a document. Okay. I'm foyer in 20. calling the DIA so much, I'm friends with them. The head of the government disclosure for the FOIA, her name is Cheryl. She calls me, oh, the alien guy. I'm like, Sherry, you're going to talk about me at Thanksgiving dinner, all my craziness. Like, oh, Mr. Stewart, no, no.

Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, we got that document, blah, blah, blah. It's about a month. I call up a guy's name is Andrew at the FOIA desk. I said, where is my FOIA response? He said, give me your name. I give him my name. He goes, this is really weird. Folks, listen to me here.

This is a government agent. This is really weird. Andrew, what's weird? Well, your name is here, but there's no file attached. I said, what's weird about that? Happy go lucky guy, helpful. First name, Andrew, nice guy. I want to make sure I mention that.

He said, you can't get on this file. You can't get on the FOIA system here without having a file attached. And I do the, and? he goes well somebody had to come on here and remove it but left your name he goes this is really weird not thinking what he's getting himself into he said i'll call you back i wait hour hour and a half he calls me back mr yeah this is andrew yeah um yeah you're going to get an email from Cheryl Robinson or Cheryl Davidson soon and you know and yeah we found it real curt real short tempered short know, like, not friendly anymore, like somebody must have read.

What did you tell this guy? You told this guy this never happened before a DIA? So I get an email. And in the middle of the email is because of the nature, the unusual nature of your request, the Defense Intelligence Agency will have to conduct interdepartment meetings. It said, cross-reference investigations with other agencies in an effort. to satisfy your request.

Now you're going to start having about this. But this is all fake. The alien program is fake. Why are you telling me you might have to have inner office, inter-department meetings about a coded document that's supposed to be fake. Like you said, if there's nothing to it, why are you sending back this FOIA that says,

oh, we're going to have to start talking other people in the Pentagon and whatnot? I just thought that was extremely bizarre. It's scary. What it up? Did it go anywhere? They just... For the second time, my emails disappear.

My wife's like, you're doing three things. My wife, nice as, coolest wife on the planet, very non-hyperbolic, not, you know, nervous. Or she's like, that's it. This is crazy. You're going to the police department. You're going to file a report. You better file one with the FBI, so you have this recorded. And you and Matt, my lawyer, are going to.

going to send emails to all these crazy agencies. You're done. My wife's like, I'm not saying stop investigating, but your FOIA requests, my wife's like, you're done. So my lawyer and myself crafted an email to the NSA, the DOD, who I was told was investigating me, or I was on a special watch list, which I've been told is completely constitutionally illegal. The DOD, the NSA, the DIA, and the Department of Navy, I sent emails that, my name is John Stee. here's my my boom, I'm done. I'm not investigating. I will no longer FOIA anything.

And to the NSA, who I believe, and I will tell you this, entrap my phone, I am dropping my appeals to the NSA of their electronic encouragement on my phone because I got a email from somebody that said, we believe, we believe that your phone has had a counterintelligence spyware bug placed on a called stingray centipede. They have to get a court order from a judge to put this on your phone, but it's not for you doing something illegal. 99% of the time, it's a counterintelligence operation to see what you know, who is telling you what you know.

But to think that that might be real and somebody went to a judge in my, I mean, my wife was officially like freaking freaked out. But once I sent all those emails and said, I'm done, suddenly my iPhone kept working. And I want to just tell your viewers, because you deserve this from me and your listeners and viewers. I went to Apple Corporation because I have an iPhone. They did a forensic audit of my phone while I watched them. Go into my phone. It looked like something from the Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie.

movie and the director of that department, the forensic audit department, told the young lady that was helping me, her name was Arsh. And I have the case number. I heard him. Tell him, we have no idea who could have taken his emails, why they disappeared, off of four platforms on my iPhone, AOL, Gmail, my dad's AOL, and ICloud were all gone. Not just AOL. And we are sorry we can't help him.

and the fact of his blurry text. My text screen with my wife went blurry, where I could only see the bottom text of hers. We have never seen a text message screen go blurry since we've been conducting forensic audits. Tell Mr. Stewart, we're sorry. He was telling her. Mr. Stewart, this is, okay, did you hear that?

We are so sorry. We don't know why. I go to a computer guy in Chicago. I call him my Russian hacker, and I'll finish here about the incursion in my life. he said buddy there's only two Gs that could have taken those emails off your iPhone I said two Gs he's like God in the government and he goes you know God's probably not interested in what's on your iPhone I'm like are you serious going on it and the fact that I've got

a guy telling me what the program was called the counterintelligence program I've got Apple telling me I don't we can't help you we don't know how this happened um the weirdness of the foias Rick Doty being told all this guy sent up triple three flares. Why? I'm a retired, used automobile dealer, bust out pro wrestler, failed politician who's investigating a alleged hoaxed alien video. Why would that person send off all of these trip flares, so to speak, all of this consternation, getting court orders on my phone? Why? You can't tell me my emails disappeared because of, you know, the holy spirit. spirit. I'm sorry. You can't tell me

the weirdness at the DIA. Why? I thought the video is a hoax. I thought all the information about the video is a hoax. Why is this happening? Again, I'm still telling people, I don't know if this film is real, but no one, you, your viewers, no one can explain

why that happened to me. If it was fake. So, at what point, so basically you're hitting a brick wall and you've investigated all these people and people are either ghosting you or you're, it's not going and where, or you're having things taken removed. They're not providing you information.

Right. But then we suddenly have these Navy pilots that come out. Right. Is that about what the time, I mean, did you basically thrown in the towel and then suddenly you read a newspaper article or you're watching the TV and they say, hey, guess what? We got these Navy pilots that are saying that they had TikTok, UFO. Yeah, well, that was, that was in 2017. But, but, but you're you're hitting the cord. All of a sudden, and by the way, I flew to Washington, D.C. during all this and handed my investigation with photos.

What year is this? 2022. Yeah. Okay, well. So a couple of months after I'm in Washington, D.C., going to congressional offices, handing over this investigation pack, code names, project facilities,

dates, the photos of the alien, who the doctor was on the alien's right, our left. I mean, just hyperbolic stuff. All of a sudden, David Grush, the Air Force Colonel, comes forward to Congress to say, we have craft in custody, non-human craft, and we have, we called biologics, because he was too afraid to say alien beings.

We had craft in custody and biological beings in custody, completely backing up what I was saying, not about the film, but that they're, like Doty said, there is this program south of area 51 for the retention, the interrogation, and the reverse examination of biologics and metal and craft. Is that where he was saying it was also? No, he would only say that and it's called a skiff, a secured... Right.

He didn't want that. Things where he's like, I'll tell you that. Right. But not on the camera. So I went to the New York Times and said, I've got it all. I've got the names. David Grush, they don't want to touch it. It's still too scary, too hyperbolic, too weird, too bizarre.

I go to sell this to Hollywood to get more money to get to investigate it. I had nowhere to go. Hollywood's like, I'll never forget this. Network, top network officials are going to my agent and a producer that was helping me. Wait a minute. He says the film is real? He thinks he has proof. It's real?

No, no, no, no, no, no. No. No. Okay. Too weird, too bizarre. I find it funny. One executive said, we want to have our people stay on the channel and watch and get that market share.

We don't want to scare the crap out of them, so they run down in the basement and hide for three years. Remember that statement. This is too bizarre. And he's got proof. He thinks that this alien film is real. Three network executives said, pass, pass. So the producer's like, if I can do anything to help you, I will, but we're just, you know, dead in the water.

And remember, I was out to find who Victor was, 30 years looking for this Victor, 27 years actually. And somebody emails me, and by the way, during all this, we've, a college kid figured out the code name of a facility in Bermuda in the 50s and early 60s that housed live extraterrestrials. it's a whole other story. And really interesting those are happening. Somebody emails me and says, hey, hey, hey, Victor's darkened face on the documentary in 97, somebody highlighted it,

lightened it, it's on Reddit. I'm like, oh my God. I go to Reddit and I see Victor. He looks like the Southern wrestler from the 80s, Arne Anderson. I don't know if you ever heard of him, but I'm like, oh my God, I've got a picture.

Now I have a sudden moment of of brilliance. Why did I go to the director of the two Victor documentaries, the one in 97 and the one where he came back? Maybe he'll tell me who Victor's name is. This is great. I can end this. Because if Victor, they told me, Matt,

everyone in Hollywood, everyone in the government, find Victor. If you find he's an actor with central casting, it's a hoax. If you find this guy has any tentacles with the government, oh shit. Now we got a whole other investigation. Very, very poignant. So I've got the picture.

Now I go to the director. He's like, I'm not going to tell you this for free. I don't blame them. I sign a contract with him and pay him. And I'm admitting that. And I paid him. Give me the first name. And he says, he told me his name was Stanton, but to never call him Stan.

Now, I want to tickle your street smarts. What does that basically tell you what his name was? Stan. Yeah, don't call me by my real name. So I'm thinking Stan, Stanton, folks, for nine months, I researched the obituaries because Victor said he was dying in 2008. I can't find anything.

But I've got Stan and this bearded guy that looks like the pro wrestler. So I got a name and I got a face. So I contact Chris Todd. He claims, and rightly so, he solved OJ, John Bonae Ramsey, Natalie Wood, whether or not he completed that. This guy is a bulldog.

I mean, he's just a great investigator. his investigation techniques are awesome. I mean, he's John Stewart, what I did, knocking on doors, stalking people, you know, taking them out for coffee or tell me what you know. I said, Chris, what would you do if you were me? And he's like, that's interesting. He came back in 08, goading, that's my term, challenging people to prove it's a hoax. He's mad at euphologist for saying it's real.

Prima facie. He's like, don't tell me it's real. when you've never investigated that? What a hoax are doing? And so Chris Todd is like, I don't think this is a hoax. You would not challenge people to bust you, to find out your bio.

And Chris said, and he's always, you know, we know he was paid for both times. Chris said, this guy's about money and ego, hubris. He wanted to come out. He wants people to find him. He goes, I don't think this guy's dead. I think this guy is still out there, maybe on a fringe UFO group, a fringe scientific group,

I think this guy is still out there somewhere hiding in public. Oh, boy, if a prophetic word has never been said to me in five years, it's three in the morning, I've got YouTube on autoplay, and one thing I would like to say, please don't cut this out. If it wasn't for the Internet, now there's been people on the Internet that have been horribly cruel to me, but if it wasn't for the majority of kind people,

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They're showing this. He closes the motel door. This is like a movie. He turns around. There is Victor. The beard, the three-piece suit, the glasses, the hair that dips down on his forehead. Colby will show the picture.

And I'm like, holy shit, I found Victor. I'm waking up my wife. I don't know the name of him. So I fast forward to the credits. Victor, I will tell you, and your viewers, after 27 years, Victor is a former disgraced Air Force cadet, a self-taught scientist, a former informant with the FBI. He was an expert in propulsion, and he claims Dr. Edward Teller got him down to this facility. Victor is the old euthologist.

His name is Stan Dale. And he's not an actor. He's not a Hollywood guy. You know, scientists, former FBI informant, old-time euphologist. and I contacted him and I and he's like was he absolutely shocked that you track him now I tell people this was like going there I felt like carrie starling in silence of the lambs walking down the hall to to encounter vic to encounter Hannibal lector so I call he answers the phone hello John Stewart and I'm like how did you know it was me he's like well it's called caller ID and he starts laughing very very congenial I said mr. Dale um

I found you. He's like, found what? I'm like, sir, I know you're Victor. Who? I'm like, Mr. Dale, can we dispense the bullshit? I know you're Victor. And for 10 minutes, I am like the interrogator in a police room going, in the O8 documentary, he talks about the sun,

bathing the earth with solar radiation to cause an extinction level event. That's on his website, the end of the world, estatology caused by solar flares, other articles about solar flares, the end of the world. He talks about the Hopi Prophecy and the Mayan calendar. That's on his website. He says in a bio that Dr. Teller, he was friends with Dr. Teller, that's how he got him down to S4,

the same thing with the same story as Bob Lazare. He was in propulsion. He knew Bill Moore, who was fluent in French, was a crony of his, and he spoke French in the 08 documentary. Victor did. Kind of, I think, like a homage. I don't think that's crazy. The biggest thing is a guy named Phil Klotz, Phil Klass, he had a UFO skeptic newsletter back in the 90s. Now, going through your mind, all these old 80s and 90s websites and newsletters, and I was told that Phil Klass had Victor's bio on his skeptics website and newsletter, not his name, just his bio.

And I always said to myself, which was great intelligence that someone gave me, I said, how would he know Victor's bio if he didn't know who Victor is? How can I put Victor and Phil Class together? How can I ever fill class is dead? How can I ever find a connection? In cosmic conspiracy, who is Stan Deo interviewing? Phil Class as a skeptic for the documentary. So that's how this guy knew Victor and knew that Victor released it,

released the film, or helped release the film. and he's a hostile witness now. But God damn it, Matthew, 27 years, it's like finding your long-lost father that you never knew. I found my guy. I bagged him. And he's not an actor. And everybody with this production from Rocket Pictures

who put out the two documentaries have all said, I am telling you, John, we didn't make that three-minute film. Matthew, I'm not regressing. I'm just saying, I contacted people who did the gaffing, the sound on the do. documentary, the first one. They all don't really talk to each other, and they all said the same thing. Jeff Broad Street, the director, called us in the office and said, you've got to look at this, put in the VHS tape, and rolled that three-minute film. They all said rocket pictures did not

make this film. So either Stan Dale made it, or the government made it, and Stan Dale brought it out. But I had a guy from National Geographic who hired, they hired, his name was Bill Mums. He said, I can't tell you it's real or not. It does not have creases under the armpits, like every foam, animatronic dial that's been made. And another thing is this was definitely 1,000% filmed on 16mm. I said, Bill, why is that unusual? He said, well, really, the only people that filmed on 16mm in the early 90s till now

or maybe some motion picture if they want to have old-time film, but the government still used it until like the early 90s. 90s. Oh, they use 16 millimeter. And he said this. If you are on a short budget, remember I talked about money, the lack of money. If you were on a shoestring budget, why would you shoot this on 16 millimeter, and

then put this on VHS tape to hand the VHS tape, you know, and then send your dupe Victor to other networks to sell the tape before he comes to you. It just sounds too secure, circuitous and too much. And even

Bill Mums, this, a special effects experts said they would have just filmed this on VHS tape and put it out they would have never went through the steps of 16 millimeter to VHS and Victor said he was the one that did that we do we knew know that so he admits so the so Stan admits no Victor admits that to doing that Stan admits to nothing even though I go you're saying I know this is right I can prove this I can prove this right and to tell your viewers he looked at the picture the lightened picture in a picture of himself in 85. He's like, he said, quote, by golly, it's my doppelganger. Even the hair line, quote, even the hair line is mine. I said, Stan, Mr. Deo, I called him. You even

fold your hands at the wrist like Victor did. I've seen that in two of your documentaries. He's like, well, yes, I do do that. And I said, and you sigh a lot. You, in your documentaries, I've seen it you sign in other documentaries. I said, Dr. Teller, he got Bob Lazaro an S4. He's saying you got you in S4. You're telling me you're, they had a stand into this, telling everybody the sun is going to destroy the earth. Was I at S4? You said you were at S4, but it's not you in the film? Come on. And he's like, I just can't admit it's me. What am I going to do? Beat him over ahead with a hose. I'm going to eventually go to his house and try and film him, even to get his testimony of denying that it is him. But for now, I mean, we've had police officers, producers,

Investigators, the photo match, which I'll give Kobe, it's shocking. It's a thousand percent match. And all of the other things about Phil Klaas, the website with the solar flares in the end of the world, an eschatology. It's Victor. Victor is Stan Dale. And 27 years later, I found him. And I ask you and your viewers, he's not an actor. So now what?

Now what do you tell me? I don't know. So he's still around? Still alive. How old is he? 80 years old. Oh, Jesus. Oh, this is...

Is he still all in all... He's still going into the alien thing? Still operating his website. Okay. Matt, I'm looking in your eyes. Please, illuminate me. Am I nuts? 95% of the people involved that I interviewed

that said they were part of this are in their 70s, their early 80s. I mean, come on. Is this what senior citizens do? Hoax a used car dealer from Chicago? I mean, come on. And I contacted everybody. Nope, other than the chairman.

I call him, who contacted me. I went out and sought everyone else. Is it really conceivable to think that a retired government employees walking around with a 50, 60, $70,000 video hoax, you know, making $25,000 maybe at the most for his appearance for it, which means it wouldn't cover the cost of hoaxing that video, is that really make any sense? Or is maybe the obvious, the real answer, Occam's Razor, that, this did slip away from a government facility. They waited five years.

They showed it to the world. They knew the government would never prosecute them because there was a little cabal that did this. The government would never prosecute them because of discovery. You're going to prosecute us about an alien interview film? Oh, great. I can't wait to the world. Here's this one like the OJ trial in season on TV. It's the most logical explanation at this point.

I decided to make the documentary because I can't find anybody to tell me that it's a hoax. Even FX people say, oh, it looks fake. It's good, but I could do better. We'll do it. They don't. Why is it a fake? If you're telling me this is a fake Toyota car,

you and I could say in a minute why it's a real Toyota or a fake one. Tell me exactly why it's fake, the alien. Is there a piece of mechanical part that you see protruding from the skin? is conclusively a fake? Is there something that they can't point to anything? It's all conjecture and hearsay, and I think so. I can't go on that. I'm an investigator.

I find it interesting. And then you find a couple of special effects people who take you to the side, literally and metaphorically to say, like one guy told me, we can't fake emotion. The ending of that film of that being, that being was exasperated. that being was that being was emotion i saw sorrow and i felt deep in its eyes another special effects person said that you couldn't fake those eyes they're just um and he went through a whole specific list of how hard it is with glass if you were going to use glass or marble on those eyes of the

reflection and he goes a special effects person goes through a whole dissertation of why most likely those eyes are something biological. Again, so I have not one person in Hollywood, the government, in the UFO world that has said, here it is, this is the conclusive reason why this is fake. And that's why I went forward and made the documentary because I was out of answers. What did you think when you heard about the Navy pilots coming?

And how did that, but I don't really know that much about it. I did watch some bits and pieces of it. How did that, do you know how that came about? Yeah, there was a gentleman, a former defense, Defense Secretary, deputies named Chris Mellon and Robert Bigelow, the billionaire from Las Vegas, that wanted disclosure and they- I love a Bigelow story. Yeah.

Oh, sorry. And they wanted disclosure, and they went to the Pentagon and said, do we have anything that we can release? This is like kind of their inner monologue. Folks, this is, I'm, you know, this is just me hearing this story. And they found a clip that was. fuzzy and blurry and obscure enough to not say this is definitely a UFO or an alien. We don't know what this is. They did a legal maneuver with DAPSR, the organization, the agency that OKs releases

of classified or non-classified material by military people if they want to write a book, a screenplay, go to the, go to the media. And they got this, they did a maneuver. Well, they got the Tick-Tac video declassified. Now, I say, I call bullshit because you're not walking out with anything classified of the Pentagon. And anything non-human intelligence related is classified as majestic eyes only. Majestic, take this to the bank, majestic eyes only. That is the top designation, higher secrecy than the atomic Manhattan program of the atomic bomb. they did a maneuver, but they did a maneuver because it wasn't as classified as people think it was. It was so obscure.

NASA says it was only going 40 miles an hour. Do you know this? So just bear that in mind. I'm not poohing the story. I'm just saying. So they got this film out. They found Lou Alizando that was doing a kind of like a side project with Arrow and ATIP and it's real sketchy if he was the director or wasn't.

I'm not getting into it. But they got Lou to released this to two reporters that I spoke to about the alien interview, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene. And they got New York Times to release this Tick-Tac video. What it is, we still don't know. Is it a drone of some sort? Is it just a Chinese drone or something? NASA did the trigonometry.

It was 10,000 to 13,000 feet in the air. going 40 miles an hour. So, but what did it do? It opened the door for the, for somebody like the New York Times to start saying aliens in using the vernacular UFO where news outlets can talk

about John Stewart, you know, is investigating an extraterrestrial program with the government. And before they run the segment on me, they don't play the X-Files music and have a green alien. It's given gravitas now. And that's what I

so appreciative of those a favor of one of the fighter pilots going to Congress. And of course, I think it's the bombshell. David Grush was a counterintelligence agent for the Air Force, a colonel, and he decided to come forward to say, we have recovered

crash, and with those crash pilots or biologics. It's the game changing. All we need now is a 4K resolution of a craft coming down and beans coming out It doesn't look CGI.

And then we have catastrophic disclosure. And then the conversation gets blown right open. But the problem is that the government has given most of this to contract, subcontractors. You can't FOIA them. It was a very smart maneuver that the United States government, the Pentagon did. You know, I've got the cookie jar. I'm going to give it to somebody that you can't use legal maneuvering to get the cookie jar back.

And those are companies like what? Lockheed, Raytheon. Northropcommon. They have like their own, they have like their own teams. Yes. That when they find out there's a crash side or there's a landing. Right. They try and recover them.

They go out. They check it all out. They get the information. They keep the information. They do all. I talked about that in my Lockheed firefight story. Yeah. It's an, it's an amazing.

It's explosive story, if true. And the biggest thing, Matthew, with disclosure is you, something that South Africa did during apartheid and Nelson Mandela took back over. you're going to have to have a dispensation board. You're going to have to exonerate all these colonels, majors, generals, CEOs of these corporations for the illegal money that they may have proffered and spent the possible murders over the past 70 years. I hate talking about that because I hate to think that my government has murdered American citizens

to keep this phenomenon secret, but they have, I think. We are just going to have to exonerate everyone in some sort of a, of a mass committee hearing exoneration panel to move forward to let CEOs say, yeah, we had non-human intelligence craft and so on and so forth. And for the government and generals to keep their pensions, to keep them out of jail, this is what's going to have to happen as uncomfortable as that is for the American people. As angry as it makes UFO people in the UFO community, we're going to have to relieve and have dispensation for all crimes.

for this phenomenon. There's absolutely no incentive for them to come forward. That's correct, sir. Then what, you take away my pension and I die a pauper because I was following orders? Right. I'm not going to have a major in the Army, retired. You know, at the Virginia Country Club golfing, making $120,000 year pension. He's got a $400,000 a consulting job with one of these subcontractors.

He's going to risk that to come forward to help John Stewart's, to prove my story, is it correct? and go to jail? Please. So the Navy pilots came out and they did a whole press conference. Yeah. Then they did. Then they went in front of Congress. They were questioned.

And what was the most recent one that came out? Well, the most recent one was the UFO, the A, the era or the UAP hearing, which was a couple of about 10 days ago. But it's the same. It's a big nothing burger. Yeah. It's all stories. Nobody's got anything because, like Louie Lowe. Alizando, he can't show you anything.

He's got an NDA security agreement with the government. This is Matthew. I'm looking you in the eye. This is why my investigation is so crucial because I am not bound by any security agreements. And government officials have helped my investigation. I am a guy that can show video, show photos, tell you names, allegedly, project names, project coding,

dates without any reprisal from the government. because I am not under any NDA. Don't you? Don't people understand? This is how the process is working for people in the military that want disclosure. You'll find a John Stewart and you help him out. You assist him and let him leak this to the public. That's why this investigation is so important because we have the names, dates, and photos.

Whether you believe it or not, if 1% of it is true, 1% of it is true, then what does that tell you? That there's something that... you're going to go start your car one day. Well, I don't know about that because I don't thumb my nose at the government. You know, and I'm very respectful of the government. And I've always said... I don't think that matters.

I think if they decide... Well, it's already out. I mean, if they decide it's a no-go on this coming out, then... Yeah, well, you know, look, I'm not backpedaling, but I've ended all my foias in appeals with all of the intelligence communities. I've went on ad nauseum that I think... these are heroes. These men and women have been, didn't decide to do this when they were in seventh grade, that they were given this information and they had to deal with it as best they could.

I understand the secrecy because of the challenge of the Cold War and China and all the other state actors that could threaten our country, but it's time now. Let me help you come out of the closet with this phenomenon. The American people were understand. Yeah, but let's assume that those people aren't going to come out. Okay. And the government and you, what would, if you were, if you were in charge of a government body that was in charge of investigating things, things, and they knew the truth. And there was a lot more and more pressure on them. What is the, what would you do if you to come out and say, would you just have a big, big press conference?

I mean, imagine the things that they have to admit to now. And I guess obviously they don't have to admit to everything. It's horrible. You're right. You nailed it on the head. Captured these things. We killed scientists to keep this cover up. We did this.

Possibly the drug trade was involved in getting us money to we spent. There are people out there that think we spent $3 trillion in 70 years on this. $3 trillion that could have went for after school programs, daycare centers, bridges, roads. We could have had a utopia here in this country. So, you know, it's going to be a very difficult conversation. If I was running this program, I would leak something or I would leak something disastrous, like a 4K of a craft coming down, beans coming out. We don't know how this leaked.

Okay, okay, we're going to have this. You know, if you're, I don't want to give any examples, but if you've done something dastardly, sometimes the best thing is rip that band-aid off have an excuse to come forward and do a Miyacopa it's the only way because I don't think there's

I don't think the Congress is going to have enough spying to demand to push the Pentagon to release this so it's got to be even like a trip I have very big hope for President Trump that he will take the

helm on this and have some kind of dispensation program I've already sent signals through an intermediary to the transition group that I would like to be on that panel. I would like to be on some sort of committee to be a liaison between government and the public as far as this information. And I would leak some catastrophic UFO. You don't even have to tell them everything. You don't.

You don't have to go in and say, listen, this happened and this scientist was going to do this one time. That's it. But boom, we faked his death. That's right. Or we blew up a car. That's right. You don't have to say any of that. You could just come in and say, look, we can't tell you everything, but we can show you this.

That's right. We'll talk about this, this. Well, what happened with aliens? Well, we can't tell you what happened with aliens. But we can tell you that there were three aliens here. There was a crash site here. Right. We tell you this.

Like, some stuff is going to remain classified, but at least come clean and say, we do know that these beings are currently in the ocean. We do know that these beings come from here. we believe that. We have had many, many exchanges with them. We have an agreement with them. You could have that and say, and that's all we're going to tell you,

and don't go looking. You know what I'm saying? Like they're deep underneath the, you know, whatever. And don't go looking. Like, it's a problem. And we proffered their technology for the better of America, for the better of the world.

Yeah. We've got some stealth stuff. We have an agreement. Stealth, Kevlar, fiber optics, the microtransistor, you know, maybe some health, biomedical advancements. You know, this has benefited the world to some degree.

And yeah, this is, we can't tell you everything because of security, and I agree with that. But yes, there is other life, you know, kind of like pass it off as like going to Yellowstone and seeing grizzlies in the woods. You know, those are dangerous and could kill you. But we're not going to, you know, we're not going to kill them all. And, you know, so I don't think it's that big of a deal. I don't think it's that insurmountable of a challenge that the government can't. face. And most Americans are worried about Wheel of Fortune and the real housewives of New Jersey

in the NFL. We don't really give a shit. Yeah, I was going to say that I think probably part of it too, the way to do it is to leak a little bit, let it come out, wait 10 years, leak a little bit haven't they been doing that? Yeah. Right? Okay. You acclimate people to the, to the, to an environment where we're sharing this planet with aliens. And you show them in, You desensitize them in movies and cartoons and then eventually the comic books. Yeah, one day they say, hey, by the way, no subs in this area. You nailed it right on that. No nuclear testing in this air in these areas.

That's right. Yeah. You can go on a cruise ship. You can do this. You can do that. But don't send any, what was that sub that went down to the Titanic? What was it called? A little baby subs.

No baby subs are going down. in these areas. That's a bad idea. Right. Or you guys fall into the monkey cage. Correct. And they get to play with you. Correct.

Correct. So at the end of the movie, the abyss, you find out that there's an abyss. There's a deep area in the ocean where there is actually, you don't really know what's happening. Right. You see, you make contact with that. To kind of the very end of the movie, you realize, oh, my God, these are aliens. Right. Like that's what's happening.

That's what we've come. That's what is in the abyss is aliens. And that's why all these things are happening because these are aliens. Now you don't really realize that until the very end. Super interesting concept. But very much. But, you know, same thing. Maybe is that, is that a script that the government said, go ahead and make that, make that move?

I think so. Yes. We're just going to start, we're just going to start just sprinkling what's going on. here, let people in them, see how they react. They say Steven Spielberg created close encounters because of what he was told and what he knew. When you were growing up and I was growing up, we're roughly the same age, right? How old are you again?

57. Yeah, we're back to same age. Yeah. So you and I were growing up, if somebody talked about believing in aliens and they're mocked and ridiculed. Right. But now, you know, one of the huge, the guys that had to me is huge credibility is, you know, when Congress is having hearings and these the pilots come out and they're talking about this

and these are professional pilots who have nothing but nothing but um uh i mean they they have credibility but they've got nothing they have every sorry they have everything to lose by coming out really you only look foolish that's right that's coming out luckily how different would it have been if they'd said do you have footage and they said no uh we don't have footage you look like a crackpot But because you have this footage, which is still grainy and whatever, that changed everything because there was no way for the government to spin that. It's right. This, I can only get this footage. Absolutely.

So there's no backpedaling for them. The fact that the government, well, and then, of course, didn't it across, and they do this in, they do this in close encounters where the pilots say we just saw something. And they're like, do you want to report it? Right. And they're like, opening scene with the air traffic control. Yeah, the air traffic control. They're just talking. Right.

These guys are just talking. Like, they don't really show what happens. And they're like, and so the other air traffic controllers are gathering around them. And they're like, would you like to make a report? And they're like, um, you know, I don't, I don't really know what I saw. And they're like, would you like to make a report on a, you know, a UFO? And they're like, um. Yeah.

Ruin your career. Right. And they're like, I. Yeah, that's a negative. No. And then like, you know, AGG 52, which is like the other plane that had, the two planes had seen the same thing. And they're like, would you like, no, no, I'm good. I don't know what it was.

I'm not interested. Now, when they were talking, they knew what it was. Right. But then as a, let's make this official, let's write it down. Let's say, no, no, no, I don't, you can hear it in their voice. What do I'm going to do? You're a fucking crackpot. I'm going to let you fly fucking planes with 300 souls on board.

Right. I'm going to let you pull. And you think you're seeing UFOs? Can you imagine us in the hiring department in the United? We flip his thing and he's got an FAA report that he saw unidentified green object. We're like, done. He's done. And that's what it would have been.

And so now you're like these are Navy pilots. You come out years. It's not like this just happened. This is 10 years earlier whenever they have it. So this is what we have on tape. How many pilots, how many of those pilots that are out there chose to not chose to say nothing, couldn't get a copy of the

of the tape. Right. You know, or you know, who knows what it is. There was no tape. There was nothing. It was just a bunch of guys. And I've heard these reports too, where they've been the guy on a, you know, a patrolman or something

on a boat in the middle of the ocean. Right. Who had saw something. There's no video. They saw something. They don't report that stuff. Right. Why would I report that? Right. You know? Like, I look foolish to I'm telling you I just saw this as a okay even if the even if the captains which probably do believe it are like they're probably like don't bro you don't want to you know because there's

no gain to it right yeah what's the gain of it nothing right the government has made it pretty and this is what's funny too is like I love the George Carl Carl in George Carlin um discussion on conspiracies like where he says you you you do not have to have to have a consensus of a basically you don't have to get together a meat and decide on what the on on on a conspiracy right if everybody has the same if all parties have the same right goal in line right we all want this for society so you never know what government all these people in the government have been led to believe this is something that we're we're putting the kibosh on that's so the the captain of a

of a naval vessel doesn't have to have ever had a discussion. He knows better. Those pilots already know better. Why? Because I know a guy named Tommy who one time reported this. And within two weeks, he lost his job. And now he's doing crop dusting. And he's a drunk and his wife left him.

Why? Because he's insisting that he saw an alien. You know, and hey, good for Tommy for standing up. And you're a good guy, Tommy. But I'm not going to do that. Because I got two kids. I know better. I'm a pilot for Delta

and making $200,000 a year and my kids are in private school and I can't be coming on here saying I just saw two UFOs. True. Let somebody else be that and be the crackpot. Yep. And that's all true. You know, that's all true

up until those pilots came because I was one of those guys who'd be like, come on, bro. And I'll be honest with you. This is still the truth. To this day, this is the main problem with the alien thing. is, you know, why Earth?

Why would you come here? Why are you interested in us? For one thing, you know, and here's, there are very, very easy things that answer all my questions, very easy answers. So for one thing, right now, you cannot travel faster than the speed of light. So they're not coming from other galaxies.

And, you know, the ways around that is to say, okay, well, what if they've learned to use wormholes or, you know, whatever, you know, in bedtime, or whatever, things that we think are just, are impossible to do. Well, we don't have their, we don't have their knowledge, their, you know, their, you know, their, their, their science. So let's say they could do that. Okay, then maybe you want to come to Earth. Why do you want to come to Earth? You go, okay, well, because it's a planet that's ready to be colonated, but they're not taking it over. If you were that far advanced,

you would just go into orbit, you'd sprinkle some pixie dust, and in 24 hours, all life on Earth would be dead, and the dust that you settled would be innate, and you'd come down and you'd just occupy the planet. It'd be that simple, because that's how simple it is, it almost is for us right now. We can take a biological weapon

and fly planes, planes over Baghdad and wipe out that entire thing just by doing that. We don't do it, but that's how easy. If that's easy for us, what is it for a planet that's a thousand years ahead of us? They destroy us. The other thing is, oh, okay, well, they want us for our water. Water's abundant everywhere in the universe, everywhere. Oh, they want our planet.

They could probably tear for them in a planet they want. What about the gold and the minerals? Yeah, gold and minerals that are everywhere. It's everywhere. Listen, if you go to the asteroid belt, any one of thousands, hundreds of thousands of asteroids have more precious metals than currently exist on the planet. Any one of them. So that's out. You know, what?

Power. They've beaten power. If you're traveling across the universe, you've beaten the problem of power. What about the zoo analogy? That's really, right? And that's the case. That's what I think. But that's the case.

are we getting a hold of them? You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying every once in a while somebody in the zoo doesn't fall in the lion's den or fall into the monkey cage, right? The monkeys are walking around with a little three-year-old baby. I'm not saying that's not possible,

that that's really what the scenario is. Right. I think that's what it is, but. But, you know, and that every once in a while, you know, you think, okay, well, well, then how do we get a hold of it in general? How do they crash? How do they, you know, I get, like, in some ways, it's like, okay, you traveled

hundreds of millions of light years across the universe, you came here and your ship malfunctioned, there's an accident, you fell in the monkey cage, the gorilla's got a hold of you, and now they're doing experiments on you.

That would, you'd have to take into consideration that we have no interaction with them. I guess that's possible. And they have no way to track their own people. That seems unlikely. but I think recently I had heard

and there are little bits and pieces of this kind of like the movie The Abyss which Colby's never seen. A good movie, an interesting movie, I don't know about good movies. We have to have a slumber party or something and put some good movies in here. And you would think that he'd hear these things

and he'd go home and tell his wife, hey, listen, we got to go check this movie out. He doesn't, he doesn't care. Millennials. Yeah. So, but I don't. do like this concept, which is the ocean. First of all, three-fifths of the planet are covered by ocean.

Correct. There's a lot more there than a lot more surface area in the ocean than there is above ocean. And we know more about the moon than the ocean floor. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it totally unexplored and difficult for us to explore. The other interesting thing to me is that, that, you know, one of the problems with terraforming for us is gravity, right? And finding these, well, because let's say Mars, well, Mars has a lot less gravity, right?

So that's going to be a problem for us. And the other thing is, now we found tons of these exoplanets, right? There's thousands. They found thousands now. What do they call them the Goldilocks planet? Yeah, you're looking for the Goldilocks zone for us. But that's assuming that these people, or I'm sorry, these aliens are interested in our planet for the surface. But really, and this is a concept, for example, well, if you watch

YouTube, I've watched videos on multiple different types of planets, right? There are some planets that are basically water worlds. They're made up of almost of all water. And they're so maybe, and sometimes the gravity is so strong on them, water can be condensed so hard. It's almost like a solid. Now it'd kill us, it'd crush us. But let's say these beings are from a planet where they developed underwater. So why wouldn't you come here? The gravity for them may be perfect. There is a portion of it that's covered by water.

We can live there. And you know what? These little things that are up there, like they're not bothering us. Right. Yeah, we see them up here. But we can remain fairly undetected. And like you said,

they have to put them in maybe different types of chambers, different types of, because of course, if they're developing on other planets, then they're going to develop in different ways. Right. And they're not going to be able to come here and just walk out. First, since the gravity may kill them alone.

You know, they either explode or they get crushed. They can't breathe the air. Right. They can't. There's all kinds of reasons that may be going under the ocean, which is kind of like the new thing that's come out in Congress. It's like, hey, these things are. And also ties in really well with the Navy pilots that saw these little TikToks going everywhere and disappear.

And then in the water. They're going in the water. Yeah. It's like, okay, well, they're traveling through water like it's nothing. So you're saying that because we don't seem on the surface mining gold. Right. But that they are in the ocean, that that may be their main reason for being here. And that's, that's a really good theory.

There's lots of interesting things about just civilization, our civilization, and humans. A lot of people think, oh, we're going to overpopulate the planet. We're not. We're actually slowing down considerably, and in about 20 years from now, we'll be 20 to 30 years from now, we'll be decreasing the population. Birth rates are not matching, or, yeah, not matching death rates in many countries. We have major problems. And there's some countries right now that are already suffering problems.

China, Japan, Italy, there's lots of where they're living longer and they don't, that their workforce has disappeared. The people that should be working and taking care of the elderly are no longer there. Because there was a period of a depression or there were wars. And that portion of the population died off and didn't reproduce fast enough because they were in an economic decline. And when you're an economic decline, you stop having babies. You have babies when things are going good. When there's a depression, you stop having kids. So true.

I can't feed these kids. You know. So you have, and that doesn't happen for two years. that happens for decades. So now you've got 20 years. So you said, okay, well, what if we start have babies again? Great.

They're not in the workforce for 25 years. We need people in two years. So that's a major problem everywhere. So in the next 20 to 30 years, our population, and this isn't just our country, this is all countries, is decreasing. So here's the thing, is that what if these other planets didn't have war

and they beat energy. If we beat the problem of energy and food, and we didn't kill ourselves off in massive swaths every once or a while, the problem would be we're overpopulated. Sure. And then Elon Musk doesn't look like his plan to populate other plants doesn't look like, hey, this is something that's kind of cool. Suddenly it becomes this is a 100% necessity

and where you have to put all our resources towards it. I can't disagree with you. You see what I'm saying? Like then you say, okay, this planet can't sustain us. We have to go somewhere else. Right. But maybe they don't want to kill off the populace. They don't want to sprinkle the pixie dust.

And here's a planet. They may be planets everywhere. And we're trying not to bother you guys, but every once in a while we land on the planet. We'll let you blow yourselves up. Yeah. Everyone was why you guys, one of them crashes and lands in the monkey pin and the gorillas get a hold of them and they start experiencing.

That's us. We're right you know what do we do if we go in there in droves and grab them you know they see us That's a problem we're trying to keep this on the low right the lowdown right you know So I mean I think that's a scenario that kind of makes sense to me but the big thing is it does The scenario in general that actually is happening doesn't have to make sense to me at all Because I'm thinking like a very thinking like a human being I was going to say a lineal Human experience exactly I don't like you can't expect me to know how a foreign species is thinking no that's completely insane exactly

you know so who knows what they're thinking it may be the zoo we're just watching these guys you know who knows you know maybe those people that or maybe maybe there are aliens that they sacrifice everyone so all i'd say yeah let's we're gonna have we're gonna have crash land bob so victor says okay we're just to put somebody in the midst a jesus um what did you call it uh something similar to Jesus, the mythology of Jesus Christ. Coming down, giving himself to humans, knowing that he's probably going to give, you know, crucified. That's what, okay. Well, tell me that scenario.

I haven't heard that. Yeah, there's, there's, you know, I have a philosophy that, that because scientifically and what other leakers have said of the documents that they read, that beings have manipulated our DNA over 162 times. So we are their creation. It says that in the first text of the Samarians, which was the first people that knew how to write or communicate through writing, called Kuna form. And there's really nothing that goes against that.

Most geneticists say that two of our chromosomes are capped, which is not biologically or genetically possible. That has to be done intentionally. And we don't know who's the capper. This is from a geneticist on like Nova, channel, you know, PBS. So I think that we have been manipulated and created by them. Maybe just that's the whole point of the universe to procreate life, an experiment. I give the analogy.

I think a lot of extraterrestrial interaction with human beings, homo sapiens sapiens, is like the Amazon in 1850 and all the British explorers. Did some go for military reasons? Yes. Did some go down to the Amazon for resources and business and exploitation of resources? Yes. Did some go down for pure, you know, excitement and adventure? Absolutely. When all of these people from Britain went down to the Amazon in the 1800s, did some interactions go good?

Yes. Did some go bad? Yes. Did some of the British explorers die from natural causes? Yes. Did some natives were killed or died because of the interaction? Yes. It's the same damn thing with aliens.

Some people perish. Do some people get injured with the interactions, whether it's radiation or other kind of ailments? You know, it's like I think to the aliens, we're like fish in a stream. And if you look at fish in a stream, you're going to get my seven-year-old nephrine. few down there that's going to throw rocks at the fish. You're going to get the guy, the biologist from the Department of Natural Resources that's going to tag them, track them, maybe extract semen or eggs to study in a lab, just like people claim beans are doing. You're going to get the fishermen that wants to catch him and eat them for their family. You're going to get the

fisherman that wants to catch them and, you know, photo and release. And there's a plethora of reasons. And I think we've seen that over the past 70 years of people that have claimed to have been abducted of all kinds of that scenario. Did you see the new alien movie? Which one? The new one, they just released it. It's a Romula and Romula. No, I have not.

Okay. So, obviously, it's a normal kind of movie. Right. It's actually really good. Probably one of the best that's come out since aliens, the second one. Right. So, but it's funny because at some point they discussed, discuss the concept of why they want to, why the corporations or governments, whatever, want to grab hold of this alien and study it.

Okay. And so when they get on the ship, they realize they're doing experience on the aliens, but of course the ship has been damaged and it's sinking into something's happening. It's going to crash, whatever. You know, they have to get off. It's geosynchronous orbit. Yeah, yeah. It's decaying.

It's going to crash into it. So it's going to do something. Anyway, but what they realize is that they're, they're, they're, you know, they're, they're, And this is on another planet that's being mined by humans. The problem is periodically the humans get diseases and it kills off tons of them or whatever there's damage or the radiation's a problem. And what they end up explaining why they're studying and they're trying to blend a human and human and alien DNA.

And the reason is because the aliens are so adaptive. they're hoping to blend to incorporate their adaptedness to space or different environment into human DNA because humans are not meant to leave this planet. And they're like, and yet we are exploring and we're pushing out, pushing that boundary. And we're colonizing so many planets, but we're having our species is having such an issue with it. If they could blend in the alien DNA, then guess what? We can go, we can drop these guys off on a planet. They will adapt.

We don't have to terraform the whole planet. Sure. We don't have to figure out how do we create, you know, interesting. A, whatever the belt is that keeps the radiation at. And now on radiation. Yeah, we're okay with the radiation. Right.

We can drop them off and they can mine the hell out of this whole thing. They'll adapt. They live in the radiation. It doesn't hurt us. But unfortunately, that's not what's happening at the beginning of that movie or in that movie in that timeline. So that's another thing. Samarian said the same thing that they thought would happen, that aliens came down, saw a crude

version of us, Crow Magnum maybe, Neanderthal maybe. Instead, we have to make them a little bit more intelligent, but not too smart to rebel against us, but strong enough to mine the gold that we need. And this is said in the first writing of any civilization. So what is that? Very similar to what you're saying. Tom, oh, gosh, no, not Tom. Oh, shoot.

What is he, Saturday Night Fever? come on uh the John Travolta did a movie what was it you know the movie where he there were these huge aliens came down and they were using the humans to mine gold you never saw that? Oh my gosh

I know two movies I'll be watching on the plane home Earth is it called Battleship? Oh Battlefield Earth You never saw it? No! Oh they played giants and they've got the human game I got to get that it's great watch that it's great it was one Aliens, Romulus, Battlefield Earth. It was one of, what's his name that got started, Scientology? El Ron Hubbard.

It was one of El Ron Hubbard's books that he wrote, and John Travolta turned it into a movie. Wow. It was, it was, it was a B-ish movie, but it wasn't bad. It wasn't bad for what it was. You know, Matthew, I think it's kind of interesting that you can't dance around, not you, us, the world. you know, ask a scientist, ask an astrophysicist, if you had to build an organism, a biological organism for space travel, they basically would tell you, you know, those aliens,

that's kind of, you would want long fingers with the suction cups on the end for reaching onto a panel when you're in the spaceship. You wouldn't want any reproductive organs. You do it all in vitro or test tube-wise to eliminate all of the problems of normal gestation of nine months and and copulation and all the problems that coitus has caused in the world have men and women having sex and I mean come on let's face it it's get rid of that get rid of that issue you take away emotion from human beings you'd give them a beehive mentality of work work focus on mission you'd um you'd basically would create

something that looks like that is that is coming to our planet um if you if you have if you wanted to do a space-faring entity whose planet is evolved enough where it's not going to de-evolve and destroy itself. You take away personality, you take away, you'd take away, you'd have a one, a theocracy, a one-rule religion, you'd have no, you know, nothing, no romance and things to do with, with human sexuality. And it's just funny that scientists who have to hypothesize what the perfect being would be

and to live in a world that would not destroy itself is what we hear and have learned about these beings, allegedly. And number two, I find on the same track, you can't explain to me our obsession with gold over the past 10,000 years on this planet. You just can't. There are way more metal, far more metals that are more precious than gold. You cannot, a human being cannot explain to me why the obsession of gold.

Like it's almost in our DNA, so to speak. And when we go back and find the first writings ever talked about something coming from the sky and mining gold on this planet for use in their planet, as in their atmosphere for anti-solar reflection, so to speak, that does fit in. My point is there are a lot of things that do kind of mesh and are congruent

that you don't have to stretch your imagination of all, they're little green men or, you know, I think scientifically and just in our own insight, I can't explain why we are obsessed with gold on this planet. Well, there's maybe a reason to that. And you can just, from my perspective

of being a researcher, you literally start to see all of these things kind of mesh together where it's becoming like, hmm, I think we need to. I have another one that plays, I've learned everything from movies, by the way.

So did you ever see the movie? It's either called The Titan or the Titans? No. And I'm a movie guy. I watch documentaries and movies all day. I cannot believe it. I cannot, but listen. I'm not a big,

I know this is crazy. Don't everyone, I'm not a big, big, big, big size. hi-fi guy. Well, listen to this. Go ahead. Good. So at the beginning of the movie, they do a little kind of montage about how the planet is, our planet is overpopulated and our resources are.

I love it already. Right. Which, of course, none of that's going to happen. Right. Resources are being, you know, consumed. The planet's dying. There's a whole issue. And they've, they're running a program.

So like, kind of like, let's say NASA goes and gets funding to branch off and they invite, whatever, a hundred or some odd, you know, the best, brightest to come and be these kind of these astronauts to help establish a colony on Titan. You know, Titan is one of the moons that surround, that is around. Uranus, Saturn? No, I think it's Saturn. Saturn. Yeah. Around Saturn, right? So, and it has ice.

So there's, there's two planets that are there that are fairly large. Gravity's pretty good, pretty solid gravity, let's say, and they have water. Titan has water and probably liquid water beneath the surface. And they know that because of the gravity, the gravitational pull on Titan is really heavy as it goes around. And so Jupiter, so it expands and contrast. When it expands and contracts, when it can, you know, when it, the pressure, when it gets pressurized, the water escapes through these plums. So they can see the water escaping.

So they're like, there's water. Well, it's covered with ice, but they know it's kind of liquid. That's actually a fact, right? The plumes of water? Yeah, right. Okay. Okay. So they can see it now.

Is it made up of water and methane? But there's ice. For sure. For sure. So what they do is. NASA brings these supposed people are going to help terraform, or not have terraform, but are going to help colonize it. Yeah, see the planet, basically. But here's the problem is that they're like, it would be a colony that's not able to be, it has to be self-sustaining.

And the way they decide to do that is they invite all these astronauts or whatever, let's say these candidates. I don't know that they're astronauts, but candidates, they bring them in, they test them. some of them, you're a good test subject, some aren't. They have a certain biological makeup they're looking for, and they start altering their DNA. Oh, wow. Eventually alter it to such a degree that they can't even be, like they bring their families and everything.

This takes like, whatever, like six months to a year. And eventually they get to a point where these people can't live outside of an environment that's almost identical to Titans environment. Right. They have them living, and they're still going in there, and they're changing their DNA. And many of them die. They end up with one guy, and then at the end of the movie, he's living on Titan.

No suit, nothing. He's walking around on Titan. Now, he looks vastly different. He's changed. He doesn't look human. That is really interesting. Very, very. And, of course, they're using certain DNA from fish and from all these.

They're cross-pollinating his DNA and whatever to eventually get him to the point where they could drop them off there and he drops off and he's he's on there and he is the Titan. Right. And so they're like, this is what we can do. This is how we can, our species can survive by altering our species and populating Titan. And then someday maybe we can populate other places and just trying to get the species to, to not die off. Yeah, because you can't live in biodomes on planets forever and ever. You got to, you know.

But that's a very similar thing. Like, hey, let's drop off. Let's, let's, let's. So what if these aliens are saying, look, we want to. to, you know, we want to colonize other planets, but we don't want to have to live, you know, in, in domes. Correct. And so what we have to do is alter a species that's on the planet with our own DNA and

colonize it that way. And maybe this is the way that they're doing that. Right. Something to think about. Our evolutionary jump is like, there's like a 60,000 year period where we, our brains expanded that evolutionary wise, they can't explain that 60,000 is overnight. evolutionary, and speaking in an evolutionary term. So what happened to cause that jump and that mass, the mass in our brains?

Yes, eating protein, which they think was caused because fire. Who taught them to make fire? But it's just all of these questions. The chromosomes being capped, the jump in our evolution. There's no reason why we don't have hair. We're the only animal on the planet that has to make clothes to survive in the environment. Our backs, everyone's got bad problems because we're not meant to be here. It's funny every time you have a jump, kind of an evolution, the new evolutionary track, right?

The new species immediately kills off the old. Right. If you look at them there. This species evolved from this species and then they killed off the old one. This one evolved and they killed off the old one. And that's the government's worry with aliens, is that, you know, every time, you know, like you said, Columbus coming to, you know, to Americas and wipes out the entire indigenous population. By accident, sometimes just by accident, right.

Like they came and they brought, like, they have no, they have no, yeah, they have no immune system. We have no, smallpox and measles and. Yeah, we hear how many, and it's, it's the amount of, of Indians that died just by crossing our paths when we came here is it's not. like 10%, it's like 60% of them just fucking got wiped out. I'm going to chop this. Yeah, I'm going to chop this figure. So people out there that are experts, just bear with me. They said the Mesoamerican population, so like, you know, Mexico's Central America,

South America, about 150 million people when Columbus arrived and before the Spaniards and whatnot, and about 15 million were wiped out, if not even more. But they said, for the 15 million to be wiped out, you have to wipe out another, you know, like another like 20 million. So they don't repopulate and regenerate. And it was just astronomical. What? And this is just from disease? Just from, yeah, just from disease, some warfare, but just disease.

And the infestation of Europeans just destroyed the Mesoamerica. I mean, just obliterated it. There's three comments on the last video that I think are kind of similar to what you guys have been talking about. I'll just read them and you might have some thoughts or not. Either this is all pure bullshit or the pure truth. Both are equally as terrifying. My grandfather was a radar operator during the Cold War and he told me that he's seen UAPs on his radar screen and his commander ordered him not to tell or record this event.

He told his grandson that when he was in his 70s and he didn't have too much to lose. I had a face-to-face contact. I witnessed life-changing event in 2008. The highest irony is delusional people calling me delusional for shouting this from the rooftops. So I just thought that was interesting because you kind of have touched on all three of those points throughout this. That's interesting because...

Those are the top comments that are liked by most, you know, everybody. I'm proud to look at you in the eye and say, I have never said this, I know this film is real. I'm at about 75%. I can look you in the eye and tell you, I will die on the sort of this was filmed by the government because of this whole 16 millimeter difficulty and he is right, Colby's right.

If this was filmed by the government in their magic sciop program making a fake alien interview, that's more terrifying than them just, you know, filming an actual alien. The fact that the government would spend our money to desensitize us or to use propaganda or a sigh upon us is more alarming to me than them filming an actual being that most of us know

are in our universe or in our galaxy. So it's a great, interesting that somebody else kind of said the same thing. As somebody said, the story is more terrifying than what actually is, you know, how the government has covered this up and all that they've done is way more terrifying than, you know, aliens have been coming here for 10,000 years. Who care? I mean, you know, not who cares, but, you know, but that this government, our government for 70 years has

gone to the links that they have and the money they spent the lives that they've, they have extinguished is, it's terrifying. You've got a documentary produced, right? Yeah, I can give the website and how people can get it and. Yeah, I think we just said it. So the, so the documentary,

you know, came out on Thanksgiving, but it will be available for 52 weeks. It's a streaming cloud. If you live in Australia, you can still watch it. It's not pay-per-view in America. It's pay-per-view on the streaming cloud. And the website is Hunting Victor.com. It's got the pay-per-view link.

It's like $8. We're not trying to hurt anybody. We try to make it as cost-effective as possible. And I'm going to do something that no one has really done in any documentary since, you know, since the advent of films or TV, I'm going to allow myself for people to contact me for a year. to ask me any questions or follow-up on this documentary. So I will be available via my email to engage with people if they have any questions about any part of my documentary,

which I don't think anybody's ever really done to the point that I plan on doing it for a year. I think I owe that to the UFO community. How long is the documentary? About an hour and 40 minutes. And believe me, I can't stand hearing myself speak anymore. But even when I watch it, you're at like an hour, hour and 10 minutes, you're like, wait, wait a minute, this, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's interview, do

interview other people? No, it's, it's, it's basically like a, a, a sit-down conversation with a, Michael Carter from ancient aliens, a TV show on the history channel, but in our conversation together in a very professional setting and professionally produced, we show you the documents, the names, the dates, B-roll, video, film, we, we, we, we go through the chronology, it's done very well, and we, we, we, we, we, we show you photos of, and, these men, photos of one of the Carthusian monks, which is people went crazy when we show the photo of an actual alleged telepath in this program, this interrogation program, and the emails that were sent to me, and other people that have backed up this story, a man by the name of Nico, who claims he was shown this film with My Alien, but it was 56 minutes long. And he hints

said who showed him the film. A Brooklyn-born, old, highly-educated scientist, and we find out who that was. He worked for the CIA, and it was the head of the Russian KGB propaganda unit for the CIA in the Cold War in the 80s. We found that guy, too. So the conversation is startling, and we tell you who Victor is in his whole bio. I think this is just going to just open up. I think it's going to break the internet.

I think it's going to lead to so many more investigations and conversations, and I'm proud of that. God damn it, I am the only documentary that has given names, dates, photos, videos. There is no, well, get to us next week, and we'll tell you we think. And I found Bigfoot, I found the missing girl, right? You know, I'm showing you a conclusion. And I've been watching documentaries since 73. I've never seen one documentary that just, for God's sakes, end the conversation. Who's Jack the Ripper?

Where do we find Bigfoot? Did you find the missing girl? I'm using a metaphor. I do that, and I'm proud of that. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Listen, go to the description box. We are going to leave the link to Alien Interview case closed. Also, do me a favor.

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