Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Underground Outlaws | The Wild Manhunt For Elusive Criminals

Episode Date: November 19, 2023

Underground Outlaws | The Wild Manhunt For Elusive Criminals

I have to schedule about seven guests a week to get four people. Wow. Do you know what a problem that is? Then you hear them talk and they're like, oh, it's no big deal. I don't even think it's a story. And then you interview him and you're like, bro, you got a great story. He was like, we were so over the top in love. When he got in trouble, she had agreed that if he got less than, I think it was like seven years, she would wait for him.

Because sometimes you'll interview somebody and then as soon as you kind of sign off, you'll be laying in bed that night and think, I never asked him this or that. You started thinking of all these questions I should have asked. Hey, this is Matt. I'm here with Zach. We decided to do a stream yard to talk about, basically kind of talk about our channels. And also, I'm going to make a plea to viewers about being guests on the show. So check out the video.

Here's why we're here. Guests. Not, it's ST, not two S's, guest. Yeah, guests. Well, I need guests for my, for my channel. Yeah. So I, I think I told you this. I have to schedule about seven guests a week to get four people.

Wow. Do you know what a problem that is? So that's why I was like telling you, like, you need to, if you're going to put out a, video a week you need to schedule at least two or three two or three and then see what shows and what flakes right because let's let's face it if you get two people let's say you get all three let's say you say you say you say you say oh man I scheduled three and I got all three great it then Colby will edit it he'll stick it in the queue and you'll have it ready for when you don't have a guest right you know we've got a couple weeks of probably backed up but I also will do I'll have like

three people in a day and all three of them will cancel And sometimes, you know, I'll do two and get two people. But so my one problem is getting guests and getting guests that show up. And let's face it, you know, the people that I'm dealing with are not that. And not that one. First of all, most of them aren't that responsible. But second, second to that is that things happen. You know, I've had people that were going to come on the show and suddenly like, you know,

their daughter got into a car accident and it was really bad. and they were in the hospital, and they were like, look, and it's not that they couldn't make it. It's like, look, I just don't think I'll be able to focus on being there. Like, I'd rather be headed toward, you know, the hospital. And, you know, to me, it's like, oh, you're not, you know, you're not performing surgery. But I, but I hear you, you know, you probably care about, you know, your daughter. So, you know, that sort of thing happened. You probably care about it.

That's your response. People are so. Is that what you're thinking? Is that what, is that, is that the quiet part? No, I say, I say all the appropriate things like, oh, that's crazy. I'm so sorry. Wow, my heart goes out to you. I say the right stuff.

Okay, okay. They don't know. They don't know what I'm going to. Okay, I'm just checking. The other thing is, but then, and then sometimes people get sick. Like, I get that. I've been sick before. Like, I was actually supposed to do Ian Bix podcast and literally woke up at like, it was

supposed to be at the airport at, let's say, six or something. I woke up at like two in the morning with COVID. And I was like, I can't. There's no way. I was like, there's no way. And so I waited like an hour. And then I think I woke up again like an hour later. I said, I can't do it, bro.

I can't do it. So I texted him. I was like, look, I'm never going to make it. You know, so I understand that happens. And listen, I paid for a plane. Like it was a few, it was months and months ago. So I said, look, I'll pay for my own plane ticket. I will fly up there.

Like, you know, it's definitely my fault. I'm sorry. So, I mean, I know things happen. But so let's. say, but it still doesn't matter what the reason is. It still takes seven to get four. You're going to have to schedule two or three to get one. So mine's been a little different. So my situation has, well, all right, so I haven't had, listen, the people harass me about doing, like, what the hell's wrong with you? Why aren't you doing the podcast? Right. Are you going to interview

it today or what, you know? Because, so mine hasn't been people canceling. And that's probably because I've only lined up a few. Mine has been generally the ones that cancel have been people who don't know what to talk about. Like, what is it I'm going to say? You know, and they don't, they don't actually agree to do it. They are like, I don't know, you know, what do I have to talk about? What do I say to this? This part is interesting. I don't want to bring this up because I don't want to get in trouble and all that other BS that goes into that problem. I always just tell them all, like, look, how long ago, was it? You know, most statutory limitations are five years. You're not

going to be getting trouble. And, you know, just don't use the guy's name and don't admit to a murder and, you know, don't be, you know, don't be, you know, don't be stupid. Don't, don't, what's the guy's name, uh, Kee-D or something? Like, don't say I handed the guy the gun and, and he shot him.

Yeah, he shot him. Don't, don't do what we witnessed in Coleman as people are. Don't, don't admit to conspiracy to commit murder, you know? That's right. On, on, on walking the track yard, you know, like, yeah, I killed him, you know, and when did you shoot him? I actually shot him in the head twice. Really?

No, no, I'm a, I'm a, what is it? No, no, hey, bro, honestly, I'm a, I'm a jailhouse lawyer. It's against my ethics to say anything. That's right. Now, I need the details one more time. The body is buried behind which, oh, your mom's house. Does she still live there? Absolutely.

Absolutely. Or in my case, and who has the money? And the evidence of that is... All right, so yes. So I, my problem is just they don't want to reveal certain information. Like, I had one guest that I wanted to bring on. Really, I wanted to bring her on because she was locked up with Elizabeth Holmes. And I really wanted them to talk about that.

But she said that she had a situation, and she actually had a lot of situations, really. Like one of her kids were shot recently. And in another one of her kids had an episode that actually made the national news where the police came. But she didn't want to discuss it because he had trial coming up. Well, I mean, but I tell her you were on the news talking about it. You were on the news.

People are stupid. What? The situation she had where her son held her hostage. So, I mean, it's not like, I guess you can't admit that he didn't hold you hostage because they arrested him when you convinced him to give himself up. So, I mean, I don't know. It's, well, it's not like she has to, well, okay, yeah, you're right. I don't know if that has to do with the, why she was locked up in prison. No, no. No. So to me, I would be like, we're not going to talk about that. We're going to talk about your childhood with the first time you committed. crime, where you went to school, you know, your, you know, and then how you eventually figured out, you know, what the crime you were doing, what you did to get to federal prison, what it was like in federal prison. And then you recently got out and that's it. That's all we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about this other thing. Well, you know, the funny part is that's what I wanted to talk to her to talk about. And she wanted to bring up her son. So I've kind of meet her in the middle, but then she diverted back on, I don't know, it was just, that was a bizarre

incident. I have a couple of other opportunities, you know, and I just accept to bring it to the light. I have to bring them on and see what I can do, you know. You, on the other hand, Matt, you're like, you've had some fantastic guests, you know, and you're able to extract very interesting tales out of each person, you know, and that's a talent that I think I need to pick up, you know. So I guess I'm going to have to bring on a lot of guests and see if I can extract some interesting stories because I'm sure a couple of them it's it's kind of like okay that's not that interesting but we'll see if we can make it work you know what I'm saying I mean honestly it's it's a formula and and if you stick with that formula you don't end up getting the same

story because obviously if I say to somebody oh well where'd you grow up you know and you know one person's going to be like oh I grew up middle class my parents were married everything was wonderful. My father, you know, sold, he was a manager of a car dealer. My mom was a, you know, and they're going to have this normal childhood. And no, I never really got into trouble. I ended up going to college. Like, you're like, okay, the other guy, you're going to say, so where, where's you grow up? And he's going to say, bro, I grew up in the projects. You know, my mom, fucking, she couldn't handle us. Man, I was arrested when I was 11. The first time I got in trouble, you know, and you're going to, it's a vastly different story.

So you can't say, so to me, it's like formulate what I'm, the questions I'm asking, but the answers turn it into a completely different story. Right. So the next thing you know, this guy's in juvie, he's, he's breaking into houses. He's, it spins off. Now I get back to like the, you know, Wayne story. Yeah, well, then I keep kind of like, you know, well, did you ever end up graduating high school? Because that's one of this, you know, and they're like, nah, bro, man, I got a GED and

juvie. And I, you see what I'm saying? So you still kind of go back to those, but those questions, we. that story and so it seems like a completely different story even though it starts at the same point good good job the interview so here's what's funny the last interview i did you know at one point when we were talking about this i was thinking to myself i'm like did i get back around to the crime he committed like i completely went off point and never asked him about why he ended up in federal prison, which was making an attempt to go do a bank robbery. And I never even got around to that.

Oh, man. That's, yeah, you got to get, yeah, what are you doing? You got, like, sometimes you got to, sometimes you have to make notes. Right. Um, you know, it, it definitely teaches you how to pay attention to, you know, to the, to what's, to the story and what's happening. Even if I don't know the story, Typically, I talk to the guests for a couple of minutes. Like, if it goes to more than five minutes, then I get to that point where it's like, hey, you know what, let's just start. Because a lot of times, the more interesting conversations happen before you actually hit record. Right. You know, and the other thing is I really, because I kind of try and do keep it formulate, you know, stick with that formula.

So I don't get off topic and never end up asking why they went to prison. Right. So, you know, once we start going spinning it off, then I'm like, oh, Oh, okay. You know what? I understand the basic story. Let's go back. Let's go ahead and start. And I cut them off because sometimes they'll start telling a good story. And you're like, man, we need to be recording this. And so I don't want to hit record and then go and say, yeah, go ahead. You were telling me the story. Because I want to go back and start at the beginning. We'll get to that story. But you have to remember that. And it's difficult. Like, especially it's difficult for me to remember it. Oh, yeah. You know, I have a horrible memory. I'm an old man.

And, you know, so it's luckily if you keep, I've noticed if I kind of stick with that basic formula, I tend to get back to that point. Well, I've got to work on that. You know, and, you know, my mind is on the legal aspect of it. And so I go down that wormhole instead of like into the juiciness of the story. And bank robbers have some great, great, great stories. Yeah. Like, I have, like, meeting how they got their name, their reasoning of why the FBI gave a certain name, their rationale for robbers.

Oh, bank robbers are the best, I think, with the stories. I love them. Yeah, I've- Teller reactions and all that stuff. Yeah, I've got some, I've had some good ones. The problem is some of these guys' stories, like, I didn't really know how to interview anybody at the not that i know not that i'm great now but like i hate it because sometimes you'll interview somebody and then as soon as you kind of sign off you'll be laying in bed that night and

think and i never asked him this or that you start thinking of all these questions i should have asked right so i have a question so what kind of guests are you looking for um so i they can be i can do criminal stories or i can do like extraordinary achievements and this It doesn't necessarily have to be crimes. It can be something that they've done in life or opinion of something, or they've attended certain events, because I kind of want to mix it up a little bit. But I do, I like the crime stories because, you know, naturally of my background and get an opportunity to break them down.

So that would be my main focus. But also maybe people who have been around criminals, just the other day, you know, because I still do a little bit of law. And just the other day, I was talking to a woman of a rapper named Icy Blue, who's in jail, and she had me on the phone almost an hour and a half, but telling me stories that were blowing my mind. She was absolutely hilarious. I enjoyed the whole conversation. And, you know, she was talking about, and she's never been in prison. But she is just one of those things where all of her kids are in prison. And because her daughter and her son were rapping. And she,

because she's telling great stories because she's saying her son grew up all around all black guys has a platinum grill in his mouth what's his name his name is little little blunt he has it he got a tattooed on his chest no reason to search his car yeah i don't know why they searched my car well little blunt yeah your aka came up on their screen it said a little blunt So, but here's what's funny. He's in Polack, and he is the, what do they call it, the, when you speak for the white, for the white car. What, like the shot caller? Shot caller, there it go. He grew up around all black men, has platinum grill in his mouth, little blunt on his shirt, he's a rapper, right? Shot caller for the white car. i'm like like at what point does he go you know guys cut it out like i don't agree with anything

you guys are thinking or doing you know this is a waste of my life so but it was so interesting like i had thought like when i hung up i'm like man maybe i should interview her because she is just and she's never been arrested her in jail oh she was she was hilarious she was hilarious yeah it'd probably make a good interview though she could tell you all the all the stuff about her kids and this and oh god and i got the phone call i didn't go down there listen listen her her parenting oh she's she's hilarious she's hilarious i should think about that let me and let me tell you another person would be cat who's never been to prison but she snuck items in the prison so it it could be like different you know and and i'm talking like going in

completely loaded you know and and the hiding spots and you're like are you what? Yeah, it works. Passing, passing things with kisses and stuff like that. Right. So, yeah. I don't know. I was going to say, here's the thing. Like right now, your channel's got what, like 3,000 subscribers or something like that? Right. Right. So, I mean, you know, like the big thing is like just a, it's really about just posting stuff. Right. You know, you got to post something. So it's like, you know, you got to post something every week. you post something every week and and then you know people get to expect it and then you know money starts to build up and this starts coming in more and the subscribers grow and you know then we get

you on different podcasts to talk about your story but then also to talk about your YouTube channel then you're you get more and more you know and that's not hard to do but you got to get some more stuff you got to be able to you have to post at least once a week right to the point where you're making enough money that you start seeing it trickle in and then you'll start going And oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, I can see this happening. I need to put it up more post. And me talking about that, I'm telling myself, because she asked me how she can help me. I need to tell her, like, you need to come on my podcast and talk to me about having kids that are in prison.

How are you dealing with that? Oh, she is a hoot, man. She is hilarious. You know what I needed? Well, you know what I actually already did this? I got business cards that have a QR code on it. for my for my youtube channel oh really i just hand somebody the card say oh yeah here's my information and then they can scan it and just boom brings them right to youtube and they can

subscribe like what QR is the most beautiful thing in the world yeah it's pretty linking the world yeah so i was going to say my problem is like i need guests the the problem is well i need guests but i need the kind of guests that really do well that for some reason and I don't seem to be able to get these guests. And, and they're probably few and far in between, but I, but I'm saying this day, like anybody that's watching, I got two, I got two problems. One, I would love some guests that are, that are like, you know, any kind of the cyber guys, right, who've done like, kind of like, you know, internet scams, cyber scams, or they've,

you know, maybe they've, you know, been on the dark market. Maybe they're just selling over the internet. They're running some kind of a scam. I love those. It can even be drugs. Like I don't care what it is, but I love those kinds of scams that they're super interesting. Counterfeiters,

credit card guys, because they have tons of stories because they've been chased. They've been, you know, they got funny stories and they're usually pretty, pretty funny. Pretty sharp, pretty funny.

So I love those. I mean, I mean, look, I like bank robbers. I like, I like, you know,

financial crimes. I like all those too. But the guys that do well are the guys that, a lot of these credit card guys and stuff. I love those stories. So that's one thing. And then the second thing that is killing me is I get tons of, I probably get one or two a day at least where it's somebody sending me an email saying,

bro, you know, Rick Johnson, there's a guy Rick Johnson in, you know, in Coral Springs that got arrested for running a Ponzi scheme. You got to have him on. Check it out. It's like that's not like, they, think they're helping me but like i don't have time to track this guy down right to get his phone number or or whatever his instagram and send him an email or send him an instant message and track him down like guys are like you know they're like oh i'm trying i'm trying to help you out

wait a minute bro you really want to help me out like track him down like call and tell him right Contact him and say, oh, you. Absolutely. Contact him and say, listen, man, I want to get you on this guy's podcast. Like, I think your story's fascinating. I think you should be on this guy's podcast. Would you be interested? If the guy's like, yeah, I'd be interested, then great.

Let me put you in contact with him. What's your email address? What's your, you know, like help me coordinate because a ton of, I spend a ton of time coordinating. Imagine I'm trying to schedule seven, at least seven a week to get four. That's a lot of coordinating, especially when people are, you know, people are late, they push them back or the last minute they change or, hey, can we do it tomorrow at two? It's like, no, no, I have three of these things tomorrow. I have two of those and, you know, an appointment at the dentist, you know, or it's date night, you know, no. So, you know, how do you space them out though when you're setting the appointments?

typically I try and get them to like I try and get people to do it like 10 or 11 in the morning because that kind of gives me the rest of the day if somebody else comes in I can say hey bro I got from you know one o'clock on and then if they come in and say oh okay I can do it at one great because if the guy was at 10 then that gave me like three hours it's probably not going to be three hours um and then I try not to do anything at night because um Because, you know, Jess comes home around 4.30 or five and, you know, I want to, you know, be able to hang out with her, even though right now she'd roll her eyes if she was here. And she'd be like, I'm rolling my eyes. You're spending the time with me. So, but I, you know, I try. Because it was still, I have to, then I have to finish. I have to send emails. I have to. Listen, I'm trying to get spot, get sponsored by Ghost. So yeah, I put the filter on. Oh, there you go. Uh, uh, there. man look hold me oh it so softens the nice the sponsoring by ghost would that would that come like would that be direct or would that be through um youtube no no like what would happen is ghost would say okay listen you know four times a month you have to say you have to cover this and then they give you well it depends they have different things sometimes they'll give you an actual script we have to say you You know, I love ghost. It's the best energy drink out there. You know, it has, it's high in whatever and no sugar. You know, like they'll actually have something you have to say, which I'm almost, I'm really bad at that. But if they just say, look, we want you to promote it and just cover this, like kind of, we don't care how you say it.

Just say that you like the drink. It's one of the, one of the best ones you've ever, you've drank, you know, whatever. I'm better at that because I can, I can add lib. And the truth is, I don't, listen, if they just send me free. ghost. That, you'd be happy. What flavor is that pink can? This is sour pink lemonade, which,

you know who loves this one? Jacks. No, Jacks. Oh, yeah. This is the new flavor. It's not great. It's not my favorite. It's not horrible, but it's not my favorite.

Jacks was like, you got to order them, bro. They're amazing. They're not amazing. They're okay, but they're not my favorite. Okay. Is that the one, is that the one I tried? Mm-mm. no

trying to figure out what what are the what are the flavor options oh I mean they have like cream oh gosh is it cream sickle

love it yeah that's that one's my favorite that one's my favorite something else is my favorite is another good one those two are the best I think the one you

tasted was like sour patch was it sour patch oh yeah so you've been buying those by the I don't even go to it I didn't even

I didn't even go. Now I just order the cases. I just order like two cases of them and they show up. So that's how I'm doing it now. Oh, okay. Well, there's still like $2.40 a piece. Wow. Yeah.

So I only drink. What's the other one that I've been drinking? Is it like Red Bull? Or is it like an energy drink? It's an energy drink, but it's flavored. It's in the skin, skin. It's in the skinny type can. It's a monster.

No, not monster. I don't see. I don't know enough of them. I only know like the really. So that's with an eye, I think. Shoot, I'll bet 15 people will say it in the comment section. We'll know. Yeah, good.

Help me out because I cannot remember it. They're the ones that kind of got real fruit juice. They don't have much sugar in them. They're not, they're not bad. I'm not a fruit juice. I'm not a energy drink fan. No, me neither. I hate all of them except for this one. That's why I want to get sponsored, because I can't stand any of them. Except for that one. Yeah, this is the only one. So, all right, so wait, real quick, we're both, we both need guests. Yes. You're looking for guest. Yes. Right. Guest suggestion. And you're, so I'm going to make sure that I put, um, I'm going to make sure I put your email address in the, in the, in the, in the,

in the description box okay and i'm obviously i'm going to put my description you know or my email in the description box i actually have a form that you can fill out nobody fills out the form they just email you have a yes form yeah we colby actually hooked up a guest form where you can fill out this thing and it's it sends it to i want to say it sends it to colby or me and then it's and it's real quick it's like here's your name number and then you can write a little thing it's basically an email but people could just email me okay so you know i'm okay with that like i i just need help getting guests and and what's so

funny is a lot of people they don't think they even have a story they're like eh you know i rob like twenty banks and i you know went to jail i only did a couple only did like four years or three years and they'll there's something you hear them talk and they're like oh it's no big deal it's i don't even think it's a story and then you interview him and you're like bro you got a great story jumping over the counter and and you know stake it out the bank and getting it getting an employee in the bank that told them when the cash drawer was going to be there and these are awesome going on those are awesome you know um you have the unique so this gives the opportunity because you know in prison you know i i did do the lawyering thing right right and i

get stuck there and a lot of times when they would talk to me they would try to give me the perception that they were innocent you know so they're like oh so somehow, because I had one guy was telling me about a robbery, and he's kind of like, oh, it wasn't me, but they're thinking this. And I, you know what I'm saying? His fingerprints was on the gun that they found at the scene. He just happened to walk. He just happened to walk in the bank to open an account.

Right. And the gun dropped, and I picked it up because I didn't want to file to get a hold of the gun. Exactly. Exactly. So you get the story where they're actually, um, I get the people who are very timid about, you know, their culpability in the offense. No. You know, I'm like, come on.

You know, like people, just because you admit to it, people are not coming to grab you. Like, hey, you got on there. You said you did this, you know. We ain't got no evidence, but we're going to take your word for it to lock you up. Yeah, I definitely, definitely need. Listen, I haven't had a guy the other day that, you know, he, didn't like he he he had admittedly he said look i've done a bunch of a bunch of knucklehead stuff you know didn't make a ton of money sold drugs you know uh just and he he said it was just a bunch

of knucklehead stuff like it was not nothing insane you know but i i'm i'm a good storyteller and people love to hear me tell these stories and i i'm not far from you i'll drive over there and we talked for about 30 minutes he kind of gave me the quick rundown i was like listen you're i can tell you're a good storyteller like definitely come let's do it Listen, I think that guy got like 30 or 40,000 views. And it was like a two and a half three hour podcast. He was great. Wow.

Like people, people think like, oh, I didn't steal $10 million or I don't, people don't realize. Look, Bozziak, well, Boziac, I did, I wrote his story. Like he didn't steal the most money. He just had this really, really unique, interesting, super interesting. case. And I've had this guy, Doug Dodd, I wrote a book about Doug Dodd. He didn't sell the most pills. He didn't make millions of dollars. He didn't do anything that all the, that tons of other people were doing at the time. But it was an interesting story. He was willing to tell it. There was kind of interesting because it was a group of five guys that were on the wrestling team that were doing

this. So that made it kind of cool. And how, and it was just like how they slowly figured out the system and how much they were getting for the pills and how they were shipping them. So it was interesting, but it was a story that that tons of guys tell you in prison, but nobody writes it down. So people don't see it. So people out there don't see it. And there's no format for it to be on. Then when you write it down, suddenly people read that story and they go, bro, this is amazing. Really?

Because I can talk to 40 guys right now in the combat that have almost the identical story. But they never wrote it down. Right. So yeah, that's, so it's the same thing with these guys. that are they watch the thing and they think man i i think i got a good story but you know like i didn't steal millions i didn't make millions i wasn't the biggest drug dealer i wasn't the biggest i only robbed four banks i yeah but i'll bet you some stuff happened and i'll bet you and and all all of that stuff is interesting people don't don't understand it it's not all about

what what what you stole and taken and then a lot of a lot of times people who stole a lot their story isn't that interesting. You know what I'm saying? Because I talked to a girl that did Medicare fraud and her story wasn't that interesting. Remember I was talking to Doc? Well, it was interesting. Well, we're reading his PSI. You know, it's like, ooh, interesting. The chair. With the pill on her. Oh, it's like. Oh, yes. Yes. I'll never forget that because you start shaking your head and you went, listen to this. You were like, This is bad. This is bad. Hey, he was a pill meal. Yeah. You know, he was, but you like the part where he just come in and he just touched the throat for a second. Yeah, 600 pills. You definitely need oxymor. Are you feeling anxious at all? Um, I don't know, I guess a little

bit. We'll give you some Xanax too. That oxy, we'll give you some X to offset the oxy code home. You got you. Don't worry. He was a generous. Doc was a generous guy. He was a generous guy. You know what's so funny is I really believe that in his heart, he doesn't think he did anything wrong. No.

No, you know, it's funny, too, about him. Remember his hands and used to turn blue? Yes. He was telling somebody about that the other day, and he didn't want to get treated for it, right? Wasn't he like, eventually it'll kill me? That's exactly what he used to say. That used to be, that used to hurt me the most.

you know because it's like you want to die he's kind of like like all right if i'm not getting out of here unless some miracle happens and otherwise then i just want to die right you know just let me die in here yeah it was he was a grumpy bitter old guy that you really couldn't argue against being grumpy and bitter you're like and i hear you like i want to say oh you've got a lot to live or you don't you're miserable and i think i looked him up i think he died and 12, 2012. Oh, that wasn't that long after I left. No.

No, it wasn't. God, and he was the medium. Like, he never should have been at the medium. No, he shouldn't have. He was definitely a low guy. Well, but you know, he, like, I think some, some higher, some influential people had got some of his drugs. So I think he had a, well, yeah.

And he, he went to trial. And he got, what, 30 years or something like that? Yes. 25. 35 35 25 oh 25 he said he's not doing 25 yeah I think he had done too Jesus used to have his own office he some reason they took him out of that office why he was sitting he was helping people he was kind of helping tutor people right yes kind of bitter bitterly but kind of so yes so so if if you were to so let me ask a question yeah if you were to to ask like like let's say the

people who watch your podcast what scenario would you want them to step step forward have they ever like would you say hey have you ever done some sneaky stuff that you kind of got away with you know a long time ago you know let me know put a comment down and let me know I like to hear about it what would you how would you like what would you like to submerge from this um i think you mean emerge um yeah you're right emerge not submerge yeah they're already submerge yeah they're already submerge besides me what would you like to submerge no but go ahead um i think yeah i think you know people with interesting stories that can tell their stories that you know like maybe their friends and family have told them they've

got an interesting story. It doesn't have to be huge. If it's huge, great. If it's not huge, it doesn't matter. I've had, you know, like, obviously, I love it. I like the fact, I like when they've already, of course, been arrested, gone to jail. Like if you, you know, or unless it's. Prerequisite.

Well, no, because think about it. What if they, what if they ran a scam and it's, you know, 10 years ago and they never did get in trouble? Like, you know, most statute of limitations, there's about five years. So, you know, if you feel comfortable, you know, coming and telling that story, then that's great. But for the most part, what I feel gives people the credibility is the fact that they did go to prison. So if you come on here and just tell me some fantastical story, then it's like, how do I, how do I know that's true? Like, there's nothing for me to check. I can't read an article.

I can't check pacer. You were never arrested. How do I know that's true? So it's, it's, you know, listen, some people have told me like a whole story and then they're like, and I ended up getting arrested for this, like, which is only one small part of the whole story. Like they never got arrested for this. They ended up getting arrested for this. They got to jail for five years and they got out and they never got arrested for the crux of the story.

But that's fine. I can't prove that. You're the one telling the story. And on top of that, you did end up going to prison for this. So clearly you were involved in criminal conduct. Right. And you can, let's face it, if somebody starts talking to you about fraud, pretty quickly, you know, no. Or they start talking to you about drugs pretty quickly.

You're like, no, no. Obviously, if someone's arrested for something, it's not because they begin to dabble. You know, generally they're, they've gotten the cycle down. Like, I'd say, you know, only two out of a hundred may have done one thing wrong and got caught for it. A lot of times. Yeah, yeah. Most people are getting away with it for a long, long, long time. They've been sliding pass on some stuff for a long, long time.

To the point where they actually think it's legal. You know what I'm saying? Like, well, it must not be illegal. I've been doing it for years. I remember Bozziak told me a story one time about getting caught in the mall with a fake ID. He had the fake ID. He used a credit card, had a fake ID with it, and realized that, that they were calling like they were calling the police they were calling like security or whatever

so he turns around on bolts he starts to bolt and the security grabs them and they pull him in he's like so he said all the videos that i'd seen online said that if that security could not detain you like if you pulled away and fought with them they let you go and if they didn't catch you with the actual merchandise they had no right to detain you and they would let you go and i was like right he is he is that's not true he's like he weighed he weighed 140 pounds he's a little 130 pounds soaking wet five foot seven five eight they grabbed

him he's skinny little kid they grabbed them handcuffed him brought him he said they walked me into this door he's like and there's all these hallways in the mall that he's like he's like that I didn't even know where there you're like you're looking down these hallways he's like like there hundreds of feet you're like wow it's bizarre there's all this whole thing back there So they walk him.

I've been back there. I've been back there. Go ahead. So they walk in the security. They handcuff him. He ends up pulling his hand out of the loop, climbs up in the, in the drop ceiling, crawls out of the little security.

He actually cuts a hole in the drywall with his key. Because he said the drywall went all the way up to the ceiling. But he said, but I knew on the other side of the wall there was a hallway. So with his Cadillac key, he just scraped it and scraped it. And he was like, it was like four layers of wall. So I cut it and cut it and cut it, cut it, and then eventually pulled it out, climbed through it, dropped into the hallway and got away. And I'm like, so he was telling me this story. And, you know, he said, oh, I've got dust everywhere.

It's all over me. I'm sweaty. I've got, you know, he's like, I'm in bad shape. He ends up finding an exit, gets out of the exit. finds his car he was like he said i got to my car and drove across the street and parked my car got he said i had dusted off and everythings by this point i feel i've kind of dust myself off he was so shaken by the whole thing he said i went into this this 7-Eleven or whatever got a beer walked back to his car got in his car sat there and joy was drinking the beer and a cop pulled

up right next to him and he said the cop like just looked over at him like what are you doing he's sitting there like oh man cop arrested him for an open container put him in the back of the car and while he's getting writing up the report he said you could hear them describing me on the radio and he said cop cars sheriff's deputies are like driving by going to the mall looking for him he's like I can't He said, he's like, I kept waiting for the cop to turn around and look at him and say, hey, that's, you know, like, hey, wait a minute. Keep mind, you know, he said he was, but he never did. He actually drove him to the police station, booked him.

He got right back out like the next day, whatever it was. And went straight back, got his car. For open container, that's a misdemeanor. He probably got, he probably got released on his own recognito. Yeah, he got released right away, went back, got his car, and left. Um, but it was so funny because when I was doing all the freedom of information acts, I found that report. You know what I'm thinking? So it's like that report doesn't, it doesn't substantiate that the thing in the mall happened because he never got caught for the thing in the mall.

It never caught up with them. Obviously, they have an ID with a different name on it, credit cards with different names. And granted, there is a picture. But they never put it together. But what I could prove was that at least part of that story is able to be proven because I got the open container. You know? And that 7-Eleven was across the street from like the gallery mall. Right.

So those are things you can prove. Correct. So it's like, you know, some people will tell a story and maybe, you know, like some stuff you know, you just got away with. Like, I, like, that never caught up with me. I never, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I think that people, a lot of people, I think that they have to have some massively huge, amazing story. But the truth is, if you take 10 or 20 years of someone's criminal history, so somebody's been doing crimes on and off for 20 years and you condense that into an hour or a two hour podcast, you're going to have some good stories. Yes, absolutely. That's going to be interesting.

You're right. So, you know, I just think people they, you know, and then there are, listen, there are other people that have just have over the top amazing stories. So they're, period. Yeah, period. Yeah, there are. There are. Just from what, what they, what they accomplished and what they've done, yes, I agree. I've heard quite a bit of them like when I was in there.

know so um and some of it's impressive some of it's been impressive um it's just got a wish you could bring them bring it to life you know well i wish yesterday would have been recorded you know because that that was fun oh the talking to the woman yes right the the mother of somebody i was helping out you know because her daughter's are her daughter was a rapper right and who was with they were they had planned uh i told you about her icy blue her and vanilla ice who had never met were going to do a tour together like they were like this is going to be on and popping um dude interesting from beginning to end bro she quit like she disappeared on everybody because she was supposed to get a part in the movie sister act and when she

Like, everything had came to her. I think you did tell me about this. Everything came to her very easy, right? When she gets out, I'm going to interview her. That's only like in two years. But everything came to her very easy, right? And she never got denied. And she went for the Sister Act part and thought she was going to get it.

And she didn't get it. And so she took a flight to Austin to stay with her grandmother. She didn't tell anybody. It's like, just disappeared. Like, when they're like, no, you didn't get the part. she like just and left and flew to live with her grandmother didn't tell anybody where she was got a job in a convenience store like you had a contract to perform with vanilla ice

you were on tour with color me bad and cc music factory she was just upset about it yeah like i didn't get that part what something else exactly exactly Like, I would love to hear her philosophy behind that. Like, like, it's just, but it's, I had no idea it was that inch. I knew it was going to be partially interesting. I had no idea it was that interesting.

You know what I'm saying? And that's just the mother's perception. You know, I like to hear it from hers. So it's one of those things where that surprised me. Some stories, you know, I'm going to say. I don't know, I thought would be interesting and it was not. You know, like, I talked to someone that was doing the credit card, the skimmers. And he was with a group with the, but with the skimmers.

But I think, like, he made himself out to be higher up than what he was. Like, he didn't, he wasn't honest about his story. So, like, you were higher up, but, you know, you didn't have access to certain things. So I could just tell you were like a runner. You know, and so because you weren't honest about it, the good stories wouldn't come out. So it would, you know, you really want someone that's like humbled and realized like, hey, this is what I did, you know, I wasn't, like you said, I wasn't the grandiose. I wasn't stealing millions.

You know, my crime didn't make television, but here's what was going on. That makes a very interesting story. Because you don't know what these guys have going on. They could have super cool backgrounds, you know, I was dating this girl and here's what. Like, listen, some of the guys, they could tell you that what was going on with their relationship might, might have been just as interesting as what was going on with the actual, you know, their crime, their crime spree or, you know, whatever it was, you know, the criminal enterprise that they were running. Maybe, you know, I was dating this girl and this is what was going on. And this, I remember Carrie, I wrote this story called up. American narco. And I remember he had, he'd like fallen in love just before, like probably six months to a year before. And he's like, I mean, we were, he was like, we were so over the top in love. And when he got in trouble, she had agreed that if he got less than, I think it was like seven years, she would wait for him. Like they would get married and she'd wait for him. This is federal? This is federal.

And he got, and I think he got 11 years. And seven years, two months, but go ahead. And I remember he, he's like, he's like, like, it wasn't the 11 years. He said, it just crushed me that I knew I just lost her. He's like, and I remember when they said it, he turned around and he just looked right at her and she was just bawling to her, you know, crying. And he's like, because we both knew, like, that's, that's it. Like, because they figured, you know, seven years plus art app, plus this. Plus that, plus time he'd already, so, you know, the whole thing, you broke it down, I can do this.

Right. You know, whether she would have or not, who knows. But it was an interesting, there was, you know, he, all of these relationships he had with these girls kind of during the course of this story was pretty cool. Like, there are some cool background stories. I really need to focus more on, or bring up like who you, so who were you dating at the time. I need to focus on that more. On who they were seeing? Yeah.

Is that how you got that story out of Jacks about the chick? No, I think Jacks just came. You don't need the prompt, Jacks. Good point. Because you're absolutely right. That would be interesting. Like, at the time you were committing this crime, who were you dating? And what they knew, did you hide this from them?

You know, the process of trying to keep things from who you're dating. is amazing. Well, and what happened? Like, what happens when you come home with a lick, right? Like, what happens if you burglarize a jewelry store? You get late. A jewelry store and you walk in and your girl knew you were out and you, you come in and you dump $100,000, $200,000 in diamonds on the bed and start breaking them up. Like, what's that conversation like? Like, you know, what are you doing, honey yeah or you know what else is down and you know what's interesting you know what i find interesting and it's probably because it's part of my story is when you and significant other even in your story when i think about it at the point where you both realize you're willing to commit crime

you know like you're doing stuff and then the other person you're kind of like look this is what's going on and then you know that like that coming together I'm going to like, that dance. Huh? That dance. That dance. You know,

I was thinking. When you were talking about that, like, that's one of my, that's part, that's one of my favorite parts when you were like, I'm leaving,

I'm wanted, you know, and she's like, I'm coming with you, and you're kind of like, oh yeah, there was no, yeah,

and I was like, look, I'm not going to get a job. That's, yeah, that's, yeah, That's her coming there.

And you're kind of like, um, what? Yeah, no. That was Becky, Becky. Becky was all in. Yes, all in. And would you have known that? No, I don't, I don't think I saw that coming. You know, like, who does that?

Like, I didn't want to leave. Like, I don't want to leave and I have to leave. You don't have to leave. Why would you leave? And you're trying to talk her out of it. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, like, you know, but think about, like, to me, it was the, the, the mindset of that, the fact that you, because like, in all honesty, like, if you look back, like, if you could go back in time, you'd be like, no, you probably wouldn't even tell her you're leaving. No, I would have never.

I'm going to Jacksonville for two days. I'll be back Sunday. Can you feed the cat, please? I had totally like my uncle died or something. Yeah, that's it, you know? And just think about the fact that there was a part of you that was kind of like, like, here are the consequences. And she's still like, yeah. Yeah. And you're kind of like, what the hell?

Oh, I remember her. Her biggest question was, can you get the money? Are you going to be able to get money? And I was like, oh, absolutely. That's like, that's not a problem. I just, you understand that we're going to be wanted. And she's like, yeah, I don't care about that. She's like, you're, you're going to be able to get the money. money you how much are you going to get them like I mean I don't know a few million within a few months I guess and probably I don't know and you know she was just like then I want to come I'll come I was like for for me um we're where where I tell you the story we're dating and I'm scamming you know

and because she because she's kind of like she's answering my phone or I get a phone call you know and this guy is saying hey I need minutes you know like I need more minutes and she's asking me she's like why would these people call you for phone minutes you know and I tried to lie like oh you know I'm able to get the cards at a discount people you know they reach out to me I yeah I can get in prison you could have said he's in he's a buddy of mine he's in prison. I have to put money phone card. You could have said prison. You can't go get it. I got to put it on. No, no. These were drug dealers out on the street. I was, I was using card numbers. I know, but she doesn't know that. You could have said he was locked up. He's got a he's got a contraband cell phone. And I am, he's a buddy of mine. And I put money. No, that wasn't going to fly. She knew they were because she, she, she seen me pick up. Like I went to see them and they gave me money. Oh, okay. You know. So she had been with me, you know, but I never told her what was it for?

She's just like, oh, okay. But then when she's like, why are they calling you for a minute? And then when I told her what I was doing, she's kind of like, like my God. Like we can expand this, you know. It's just the dance of the middle. Yeah, she, you're thinking she immediately says, you know what we need to do. We need to start adding zeros. We can go, I know people.

like exactly and so that is an excellent question for your guess of you know who you were dating at the time what was their philosophy behind it and when did you tell them like tell me the story about when you you know brought this to their attention that's that's i don't know how you could how anybody could get away with not telling their wives i mean or their girlfriends or whatever because listen they're they're all so inquisitive and just suspicious and like how do you get away with it for like listen by the time the chick's around a lot like it's over i mean i you understand that i'm sitting here i live i live with jess we're married and if i get a a text bring she from across the room will be like who's rachel like who's what it's in my hand i'm like and i'm going who i can't even

see it. She's across the room. Who's Rachel? I'm like, I don't know. Hold on. Well, why she emailing you at 10.30 at night. I don't, I haven't even seen the phone, the text yet. Like, it's, it's, it depends on the, the man. Honestly, because it's some some men just don't have to answer. Some men just do not have to answer to their woman. And like, I do what I want to do. leave when I want to leave and I come back you know and but some and and that's that's the difference and that's why it would be interesting for you to ask because some people have a relationship like no she had no idea what I was doing I was selling methamphetamine I had a grow house or whatever and my girl had no idea what was going on and some of them like choose

to turn a blind eye like I'm just not going to pay that any attention you know as long as the money's coming it's fine you know so it that's why it's an interesting concept of to ask of guests you know to find out because it's kind of like opens up the door to somebody like how did you get away with that like yeah how is it that she didn't ask you yeah and that adds like another it it could first of all it gives me more content that might be an extra 10 minutes it might be an extra 30 like i have i meet guys all the time and i'll talk to them they're like bro like my story it's maybe maybe 20 minutes and I'm like 20 minutes like my crime is just all I did was this and this and you're like okay I understand but

you do understand we're not going to start with the first bank you robbed we're going to start with so you were born in Michigan what was that like your parents for school teachers oh okay were you good in school like it's 15 minutes before I told you this I've said this a few times I think I've told you this some guy in the comment section the other day They said, if Matt Cox was interviewing Jesus Christ, his first question would be, so where are you born? Siblings, parent. Like, I understand it's, it's, you know, but you know, you start at the beginning. So, but let's face it.

So to me, now I'm asking that question. So it's going to be 20 minutes before we even get to before you're out of high school. Yeah, I definitely think I need to start asking more about like, who are you dating? Like, what was she thinking? What was this? But some of these guys, too, man, they're in and out of girlfriends, like. Definitely. And their crime might have something to do with it.

You know, you tell a little bit about their, you find out a little bit more about their interworking by asking about their girlfriend. Yeah, that's a good idea. Do you have anything like we haven't, like, covered or? I mean, this was a fly by the seat of our pants type of podcast, you know, like just to show that we could put something together and talk about it. what I'm saying. Well, I do have another thing that I need to mention, just in case if anybody, I don't think anybody else would probably have gotten this far on the podcast, but let's pretend for a minute that somebody has gotten this far, that they've actually watched this whole thing. If they have, I am currently looking for, and somebody that can run, I have a clips channel

that started off, and it's actually, like, it's monetized. It makes me. money, very little money, probably $80 or $100 a month, if that might be $75 because we haven't uploaded anything in forever. But I need somebody who can take my full length content, my two and three hour videos and trim it down, take pieces of it out and make clips and put it on the clip channel. And like, I'll work out a deal where they'll get, you know, the bulk of the money coming off of that clips channel. So I just need somebody to do that because I, I've got this channel that's fully monetized. And it's making money right now.

Like every couple of months, I get a check cut to me for no reason. If somebody actually started going through and just trimming these things down and sticking them on there, it may be making a few hundred dollars in a in a month or two. They have to have a little computer expertise, correct? They need to be, obviously, yeah, they need to be able to edit. You know, like they can download the videos. We can send them the videos and they can trim them down. They could, you know, run them through a filter. do whatever they want to do to them put them up put up like a 15 minute you know portion of this

this story a 10 minute one of this one a 20 minute of this one and just post them once or twice a week but i mean you never the thing is is the 15 minute videos they'll sometimes they'll get a whole bunch of views right so you don't know you know that channel could end up blowing up but i mean i really just the guy that was running it basically just didn't want to run it anymore i think that He was a younger kid and he stopped doing it. We just never really picked it up and ran with it. Right. But I definitely, it's sitting there and I think it'd be great if I could find somebody that could do that.

That would do it, you know, really like really do it, not do it for two months and say, I'm not interested. But, but I've seen in my email, I've gotten a couple of people offering to make shorts out of my video. like hey you need someone to edit your videos you know right but they want to get paid right yes yeah oh you want people to do it for nothing just no no no i want them to do it for a portion of the monetization oh okay like you can get the month like i'll give you 75 percent of whatever the channel makes that sort of thing or hey you can take all of what the channel makes up to two thousand dollars or like if let's face it it'll take them a year or two to build it up to that much right but all they're doing is downloading the videos that are on my main channel and then cutting them up

saying hey this is a good story it's about 12 minutes i'll turn that into a video put that up and you know what do you do you you go work out and listen to the video and when you're working out you say oh you know what that was a good story that's at 52 minutes and it went to you know one hour and 12 minutes okay great that's a 20 minute video i'll go home and edit it clip clip clip make a little thumbnail and put it up there you do that twice a week who knows what'll happen with that channel right so if anybody's out there that knows somebody or is interested i'm not paying anybody i'm not paying you got to be able to make up you got to be able to make your own thumbnail and you have to be able to do some editing and post it but they're making a thumbnail

for you right well for the channel oh i mean yeah it's me it's my stuff but they're just look a lot of people are interested in running a youtube channel they don't want to be in front of the camera and if they are already watching my content and think hey this guy's got some good stuff i think i can take some of the longer videos and cut them up into smaller sections and start putting those then that channel might blow up you don't know right so somebody might be interested the problem is what happens is people post for two weeks and then when nothing when they're only getting 400 video 400 views or a thousand views they're like oh this is never going to work forget it it's like okay bro go work at macdonalds

Like, if that's your attitude, you know, if that's your attitude, like, you're going to have to put in some time. It takes a while for it to take off. Right. So, but yeah, yeah. So if anybody's watching, that's, you know. Anybody on my side or his side, you can contact me or him and let us know. Yeah, and I'm going to leave yours and my emails in the description box. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching the conversation.

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Yes. Yeah. Yes. Back, unfortunately, back in the trenches. A couple of bad decisions led to my arrest. And so went to jail, well, got accused, went to jail. What were you charged with? Thief and checks and fraud and forgery.

That's so unlike you. Definitely. Not even up my alley, you know. So end up going to jail, although this was kind of a misunderstanding. I ended up going to jail. I turned myself in because. I was, you know, had the privilege of having a detective not notified me ahead of time. So I worked with my probation officer, turned myself in knowing that I was facing a violation of my supervised release.

Right. So you are currently on federal supervised release. Correct. And the state was investigating you. Right. So, you know, because people are always like, oh, this and that. You know, well, okay, well, there's state and there's federal. So it was a federal charge that was.

that you knew was going to violate your probation and you could end up going back to prison. Yeah. What people don't realize, the people don't realize is that you can be on federal probation, get in trouble for something in the state, and then the state can even drop the charges. Like, yeah, you know what, it's a misunderstanding, no big deal, and they let you out. And then the feds go, yeah, I just think there wasn't enough to convict him. So we're going to send him to jail for two years. Then suddenly it's like, it's like, what just happened?

Like, how did I, the state drop the charges? Why am I now in federal prison? Well, because you violated your federal probation. And you go, yeah, but they dropped the charges. They go, yeah, we don't see it like that. And that's the difference between having your full rights and not have it. Your full freedom and or being on some type of supervision. Right.

People don't realize, they don't have the right to do that. No, no, they do have the right. You're not. Oh, they have the right to come in your house and dictate where, how, and when you live or where you know what I'm saying it's it's right it's it's it's it can be frustrating it's it's difficult you know but this time I'm turning my life around I'm not really wanting to deal with that and and and I kind of I kind of got lucky in the sense whereas I said it was a misunderstanding so going in there I was preparing myself to take

this all the way to trial to show my innocence right in in hopes of not having to deal with the consequences for the supervised release right so I go like so once I'm in there months. I figured it would take six months to come to fruition, which is normal. But of course, you get a public defender. And, you know, the public defender extended or waived my right to speedy trial. So I ended up being in there for 13 months right here in the Tampa in the Hillsborough County jail. Right. Fighting my case. So we're going back and forth. They're making offers, great offers, by the way. Like, hey, time serve, probation, you know, one year probation, you know, time. serve, and I'm like, but that, but you can't take that because you'll get right out on,

they go, yeah, time served, then they let you out. And immediately your probation get, for your federal probation gets violated and you go in front of the federal judge and the judge goes, you 24 months. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, now I'm sitting in your federal prison for 24 months. Right. And that's what was weird because if I beat the charge, I'm only looking at a technical violation and I only look at between eight and 14 months. If I were to took the felony, then I'm looking at 20 it was 24 23 to 27 months I'm looking at two years so the whole time I'm thinking it doesn't matter what you guys give me in any playoffer you know I'm going to end up going to prison for two years if I take anything right so we kind of went back and forth debating

the the what charges and what I would take and I said nah I'm just going to go ahead and take it to trial you know I think this is a kind of a misunderstanding and you know I didn't I did this with consent. And so what happened was as soon as we get to the trial date, they end up making me an offer and I can't refuse. Which is like, so the day of trial or the week of trial, they made me an offer because I'm like, I'm going to go to trial, beat it, and end up with nothing.

But the day of trial, they come up with an offer like, listen, we're going to drop all the charges, give you a misdemeanor, and 30 days in jail, time time serve we're going to withhold adjudication on the misdemeanor so it won't even go on your record I'm like are you kidding me right they're like no we're not right you're going to get that if you've got if you've gone and won it would have been almost it's the same thing right it's really a basic saying you're not going to get a charge right I'm like run it so I took the misdemeanor which only gave me a technical violation on my supervised release for the feds end up going

to the feds and getting that technical violation, getting a year in jail credit for all the time that I had been in jail. And so pop me right back out after 14 months of being away from all of your fans. Right back to your sister's spare room. Yes. Yeah.

Lost my vehicle because they sold it, obviously. We'll actually use it as a trade-in. so I had to like try to raise the money to get a $500 clunker right 1998 Ford Escort it's sweet it's sweet it's in the park it's it's dripping oil in my in my driveway right now that's the beautiful thing of it's actually transmission fluid so it's more important so uh um my god my poor my landlord um did I tell you that my landlord I'm sorry I don't Have I ever mentioned this? So my landlord one day sent me a text that said,

I just saw you on a commercial. And I thought, this poor guy. Like, I'm the person you don't want living in your house. Like, he had to be like, is this guy living in my house? What did he do? Oh, hell no. Like, it's not like he, it's not like regular bank fraud. It's like this is somebody you don't want around your property.

property. He lives in my property. I might have a million dollars in mortgages on my property right now. I might not know it. Um, so anyway, yeah, he said that I was like, oh, man. And I was just about to be like, hey, can you, can you renew our lease? Well, how did you get out of that? No, he did. He did renew it? He renewed it? Yeah, he has a sense of humor. He, but I mean, I, you know, we'd never talked about it. Like, we'd never, there'd never been any discussion on the, on the subject. So it was fun so it's funny but you i was going to say you had this a similar type of thing when you started going for jobs well well and the the problem is like having bad choices all your life at some point ends up biting you in the behind and it does when you're in your 50s and you're trying to

get a regular job so the whole time i'm in jail i'm telling myself hey i get out i'll go get a job at a dollar general dollar tree you know someplace where they'll hire anybody yeah that's right they'll hire Anybody off the street, as long as you're breathing, they'll give you a job. So I go there and interview. The store manager loves me. He's like, you're hired.

They do a little quick background check. So I tell him, I say, so I got a little fraud in my background. And he's like, eh, it doesn't bother me. Yeah. He goes, it doesn't bother me. But as long as corporate says,

I can hire you, I'm going to hire you. Everybody's got some fraud. There you go. Colby's got some fraud. No, he doesn't. Not in his back. You look at his future, not his background.

Colby's never, Colbis didn't probably never got a traffic. Have you ever got a traffic ticket? One time. Wow. You're like, they converted you that quick? So, so I go to Dollar General Apply.

He runs my background check. And it actually comes back partially. It only comes back with a crime that I committed. back when I was in living in Texas right and and so it came up that it was a it was a theft back then and it came up with a another crime I committed in hills in Hillsborough County back in 2001 those are the only two crimes that came up and they were theft and they still wouldn't hire me dollar general is kind of like okay so yeah we hire felons but just not your type of felon you know we're looking for people would have and it was that old it was that

old and they still said no and they still said no dollar general dollar general who would have thought i mean i mean i haven't been in a dollar general and didn't think i was was not being dealt with by a felon there's not one time i haven't been in going this guy has definitely got felony think about all the times you went into to dollar general with coupons and thought you're yourself i'm better than this but you're not you're not i absolutely am not that's what's this is it's a this is it's proof you have a letter that says it i have i have proof that i'm not dollar general worthy i'm worth less than dollar general so what was was that the only yeah i'll take one can i care give me can we have one peanut butter or peppermint no i don't want a cookie you don't want a

cookie no i'm kind of full i eat like a pig the girl scouts are out there wondering about are they I'm good. I'm good. Thank you. I know. It's good. And those are the good ones. Those are the good ones. Okay. So, and so, so then did you, to then what? You just gave up, went straight back to fraud. No. No. Okay. No. I'm not going back to fraud. All right. So, what happened to them? So at that point, I had tried Dollar General. I also applied at Lowe's and I applied at Home Depot. All of those three companies by chance used the same background.

checking company called First Advantage or something. And first advantage, I think he denied me for Dollar General just basically told the other companies like, hey, this guy's a piece of shit, like right off the back. So I was denied from all those spots. I was going to go try and apply at Walmart and they gave me a first advantage form to fill out. And I'm just like, uh, never mind. No, thank you.

I want to catch that bus. That's right. Yeah. That's not going to work. I applied for a job at the spectrum cable. So all the jobs I interviewed for, I was hired. The people interviewed me, say, we love you. We want you to come on board.

But we have this little background check thing. And that's what's been to block. Every background check basically gets them to call and say, don't ever come on our property again, please. But what about, what about I've done my time? You've served your time. That's only for match.com. So listen, that doesn't apply to any and most jobs in Florida.

And Florida allows them to go back as far as they want to. Other states have like New York, California, some of those liberal states have limitations on how much you're going to hold against them. Florida's kind of like, hey, whatever they did, make them deal with it. So that's what I've been dealing with. So it's been kind of hard to get employment. You know, I've been living off family and friends, you know, and associates. you know, just to get by.

I finally got lucky and landed a job just basically emailing out retainers for people who are in class action lawsuits. So what I do is I kind of call people who've mentioned something about like Roundup or different products or class action suits that are going on. And I ask them, you know, if they're interested in going ahead in retaining this attorney. If they are, then I send them an email them a retainer form, help them fill it out online. do that docu sign, and once they do it, they get it. So I've kind of got a work from home job that started off

that actually didn't want a background check because I'm only dealing with emails and certain people. So it's going pretty good. I'm starting off. I'm still kind of struggling because obviously I start off in a hole because I get out. I've lost everything. I've got to get clothing.

You know, I've got to finish paying off this little inexpensive car I have, car insurance, cell phone and all those other normal bills. But, you know, it's my goal to kind of get back, maybe start my own channel, talking a little bit about some of the people I've met in all of my wayward journeys in life. Because I've met some characters, especially this time around in jail. People who aren't quite as famous with their crimes as some people who I've been on their podcast. Well, I was going to say there's the one guy that you told me about earlier about the guy he was all over.

Tamp all over the news. The guy who killed his girlfriend. Yes. And he's just gotten out for trying to kill his previous girlfriend. Is that the same guy? That's the same guy. Well, yeah. Well, murder is popular, I guess.

Everybody's doing it. Yes. I've met a lot of people who have, but I don't know. I don't, he's famous. I think he's more famous for the publicity they gave the crime more than what he did you know what I'm saying it was a jealous boyfriend in a fit of rage but like I can't wait to even tell you about this yeah but but that was that not it would be one thing if it was it was a fit of rage it never happened before there was he'd never broken the law it was she was

driving him nuts and in a fit of rage he you know whatever he chopped her head off because that happens um I can't tell you how many times um you think about it you know if I had a butcher knife but um but he'd just gotten out of prison for trying to well he stabbed this previous yes he so being in jail with him he did display some of those tendencies of cutting off the other inmates heads no he was kind of the mr rogers type of killer you know like he was the type of person he's such a quiet neighbor yeah and very very very Very agreeable, very agreeable even in disagreements. You know, like you might come to him and say, you know, a, hey, a, bud, you know, do me a favor.

What was his name? His name was Matthew Terry. Nice. Matthew Terry, he's all over. You could play like a clip, like if you popped in a clip because he's all over the news, all over the news right now. Matthew Terry, I mean, well, well, he already went to trial and lost, right? He went to trial and lost. He was facing the death.

What was unique about him is DeSantis replaced the Hillsborough County. Because they wouldn't put the death penalty on him. And she was put in the place at 12 midnight on a day. And by 4 in the morning, she had changed his case from not seeking the death penalty to seeking the death penalty. Like as if that was part of the agreement. The agreement to put her in place. Agreement? I've been bitching and moaning about why aren't you charging this guy with the death penalty.

And then I finally, and you say, well, I don't believe in it. I disagree. I disagree. So boom, you get walked. The next person comes in and fucking does it. And does it, like in the middle of the night. So, yeah. Maybe.

Might have been something going on there. It's something. Questionable. Yeah. Something there. But like I said, he displayed tendencies of control, like having a, being a control freak. And as I was about to say, he's very disagreeable in a disagreement. So if you had a disagreement with him, like, hey, you know, he slept on the bunk,

because you know, they got the bunk beds, bottom and top. And it's like, hey, you're leaving your shoes right here where I get up, you know. And I'm asking if you can move your shoes somewhere. So I already asked you to move your shoes somewhere. And he goes, you know what? You did do that. And I can appreciate, you know, I can respect your wishes through all this. But where else do you think I'm going to keep?

my shoe. He just kind of had this, this aura of like, oh, I definitely understand how you feel, but I'm not going to do it. Right. Like, he was very cordial and polite. And you could just, you could sense the, the rage inside of him. Yes, the other side. Matter of fact, what was funny about him is when I was in the unit with him, we were both on porters, which is like trustees where we cleaned up. Like an orderly. Like an orderly. Yeah. We cleaned up for other inmates. We used to prepare their food where we'd heat it up in an oven and then we would feed them, like give the trays and stuff out. Right. And he got into multiple, multiple arguments with people about like where they would throw their dirty clothes.

Like if you threw some dirty clothes to a bin and you didn't make it, some people would just throw it and say, hey, it's closed and walk off. And he was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, that didn't make it in there. Very on edge, guys. like I was telling you it's like I didn't think it was a death penalty for complaining about the chicken that they served you at the line you'd be like hey man when I get this little piece of chicken

I'll be in your cell later tonight we'll talk about it's right like you'll be amazed at what that bone chicken bone can do I got I slipped a butcher knife out of the fucking kitchen got something for you oh yes yes he was he was quite he was quite politely intense

I mean like smiling and you can just see the fire behind his eyes whenever he stared at you it was, it was sickeny, it was scary. So what happened with the court case? So in his, in his court case, like he would go to court, come back that day? Would he go to court and come back that day?

Yes, yes. Well, yeah, he would, when he was going to trial, first of all, he was embarrassed about being on the news every day. And he went to the officers and begged them to not put it on Fox, Fox News and had him all over the television. They don't care. They didn't, well, sometimes they did. They would change.

you know because he didn't want he was a he was deathly afraid of someone jumping on his case oh okay like that was his number one phobia he would never discuss his case like if I asked him I said hey aren't you going to trial Monday he'd be like why

never mind would you hear crazy I that's right what'd you hear yeah sorry sorry I asked I'm I apologize so he wouldn't even tell you if he's been to the bathroom he scared you jump on his case did you pee that's none of your business but we've been talking to

that's right did they contact you did they contact you I just want to know somebody didn't flush the toilet I'm just asking but anyway so yeah he was he was

so what happened with his trial is he was found guilty because they brought in his ex actually I thought it was because he cut the chick's head off well that probably had a lot to do with it and they had video of him leaving the scene and wiping the knife off.

Really, really his theory was there was the one-armed. The one-armed man did it. Yes, really his theory was somebody else did it. You know what's funny? I'll bet you that Colby doesn't know about the one-armed man. See, no clue. Listen, I get this all the time. I'll use some pop culture reference from, you know, 100 years ago.

And he's 50. Colby or Conner will be like, I just see the blank look on their face and I'm like, do you know what I'm talking there? Like, no. You don't know who the one-armed man is? See? But he's also,

oh, wait, 38. Just turn 38. Just turn 38. So he's closer. You know what Wesley Snipes is? Wesley Snipes? Yes. I would guess it's a rapper.

Oh! Oh! That explains everything. I guess. I must I'm gonna guess he's a rapper he's a porn star but oh let me Wesley Snipes did you ever see Blade the movie's blade holy Jesus you're like he's like 26 27 years old right is that the actor yes the actor yeah 28 28 oh at 8 you're at 28 we're already you have not dinosaurs blade was makes me think it's a black guy on a motorcycle and blood

yeah yeah yeah he was a he was a he's a he's a he's a nice He's been in anything lately. He went to federal prison, so he hasn't been in anything later. Yeah, yeah. Well, no, he's not, he got out, though. He got out, but he hasn't been in any movie since he's been out. You think it's because they're running that background, Jack? Anyway, so, okay, so here's what, I don't know how Wesley Snipes came up, but.

Well, because he was the last, the, what was it, the fugitive? In the fugitive, yeah. Yeah, and that's where the one-armed man was. Yeah, but the first fugitive, the first fugitive was the one-on man. Because the first fugitive was with Harrison Ford. It was a remake of a TV show. But it was basically, it's a doctor. He comes home.

His wife has been attacked by a man and stabbed to death. And he wrestles with the man. And in the course of wrestling with him, he realizes that he's only got one arm. He had a prosthetic arm. So the whole time during his trial, he's screaming at his lawyer like, find the one-armed man. He's like, I didn't do this. You have to find the one-arm man.

And so the big thing is throughout the whole movie, they're looking for the one-armed man. And so whenever people say, like, well, who did it? The one-armed man did it. Because it's this person that doesn't, nobody believes he exists. But in the end, you find out he does exist. And he was the one that actually killed the wife, yeah. So he was screaming the one-arm. One-arm man.

There was a burglar that came in, exact fugitive defense. He gave the exact fugitive defense. I wrestled with this man. I fought with this man. And if you find this man. If you ask me, I was there with him for seven months. If you ask me, I believe that in his mind he cooked that up. I believe that he probably went over every paperwork and realized that he could make that story and make that story fit.

And of course, he lost. I was going to say, but the jury did not believe that. Well, simply because he did the same thing to the first girl. So he had a girlfriend at first. in Michigan, where he lived, and he stabbed her in a drunken rage of accusing her of sleeping with somebody else. And she managed to, she only got away because the neighbors intervened. He built some of the nation's largest banks out of an estimated $55 million because $50 million wasn't enough and $60 million seemed excessive. He is the most interesting man in the world.

I don't typically commit crimes, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. Okay. You know, because they come banging on the door as he's got her pinned and stabbed. And the neighbors are banging on the door, and so he leaves. So that's the only reason why she survived.

But this one didn't. and he's running out of the house. They got him running out with blood saying he's chasing him, chasing the one-armed man or the person that broke in the house and cut up his girlfriend. Same story that he came home.

Yeah, the identical to the fugitive. But what's so funny is being there with him, if you met him, it's absolutely obvious that he has that It is the most obvious thing in the world despite what's shown on television the previews of him looking innocent and he's like

Yeah Can you believe that? Never. You see him? I like if you imagine the jury was up there and I'd be Every time they'd say something I'd look at the jury like

Listen the biggest The biggest cop He was the biggest cop kiss up ever Ever I mean, like, when the police came around, he used to dismiss, he would dismiss me as, listen, I'll do the talking in front of the police. You don't have, we're working together, right? Right. So the police, like, okay, what happened to such and such?

I go, well, listen, okay, exactly what happened with Mr. Jones came over this way, approached Mr. Allen, asked Mr. Allen, like, what happened to his tray. Mr. Allen answered, and I like, I can't even say a word. I go, well, uh-uh-uh, uh-uh. Mr. Allen answered him letting him know. it's like wow super controlling super controlling super controlling super even answers for me so unique unique guy you wouldn't your sally though yes oh he no he was your sally he slapped right above me oh i thought you was just using that as an example no did he ever move the shoes no but but you're but you're still here yeah i i'm maybe you know i i i was submissive

unlike that ex-girlfriend. I took every spork I found under his mattress. You're not getting me with a spork, buddy. Wow. So who else you meet? Wait, wait, wait. After he lost. Oh, they take him away because he, if you're found for murder

or if you get life or an extensive amount of time, they put you in lockdown because they think you might kill yourself. You can't have that. No, you can't. You can't have a killer killing himself. I mean, justice wouldn't feel like it was meated out. Even though they wanted to kill him, they wouldn't allow him to do it to himself.

They feel like they were cheated. So, um, people think he's funny. See, Colby's laughing. Anyway, so, so, so who else should mean? What else? What else happened? All right.

So, all right. So I guess we'll do, let's do the serious people first. And then we'll do the non-life-threatening people. So then we have, so I'm in a pod at the Falkenberg Road jail. And I'm one of the. orderlies. There's four orderlies. So it's three of them are murderers and me. So this is very, so clean up and taking care of business is very serious. Like, are you going to sweep your section? Do you laugh around and joke with these guys? Of course. What do they do?

Listen, but they make jokes like, well, Mr. Allen here is the only one with the possibility of getting out. Stop. You guys. Come on. Yeah. Please, come on. You know, I'm a put, put, I'm going to put money on your book. Of course. Yeah. You promise? Yes. Put it down.

But the weapon down. Yes. So who was the other guy? All right. Tyrone Johnson. All right. Black guy? Black guy.

How did you know that? How did he know that? Anyway. Tyrone Johnson killed his girlfriend and her son. Wow. in the apartment so what because if it had been on the beach it would have been more romantic why in the apartment why in the apartment well i didn't ask him what in the apartment well i didn't ask him was a little okay so um he's he stabbed no i think he shot them you never you never

fucked with these guys like come on tyrone honest it's just me and you oh my listen listen Tyrone was the biggest zealot of religion I hate those guys fake the biggest fake zealot of religion that I've ever met in my life ever met those a what are the Christian for this day or what are they they walk in and grab the book

and start hypocrite all the way complained about everybody else having a problem and then when they left when they leave they would drop the book they pick it up when they walk in the door and they drop it and they're walking out The biggest religious fake zealot ever I've met in my life with all kind of emotional issues. So is he, he's going to get out? No, he.

So you can talk like this. Okay. Because if he's getting out, you better be more polite. Never mind. Everything I've just said. Wait, what do you mean he won it? Hold on. He won his appeal.

He wasn't a bad guy. I knew he was innocent. That's right. He didn't kill them. So his accusation is of shooting. his girlfriend and then looking for her son and shooting him underneath the bed

as he hid there. I think he was 11. Dushbag. Yes. Okay. His reason for doing that is apparently his son, this was his girlfriend

and that wasn't his boy that he killed her. But his real son committed suicide. Tyrone was in the military, by the way. I forgot to mention that. Okay.

His real son committed suicide, and I guess he was watching a show, and his girl wanted him to take her somewhere, I wanted to go somewhere, and he said no, and she goes, that's why your son is a bitch and end up killing himself, you know, and then at that's why he said, she said. Of course, yes. Okay. And, well, they have video of him crying in the police. And crying is something he does quite frequently. He's a, he's a crier.

Yes, he breaks down every so often. like tie tie tie tie tie tie all right you can have my piece of chicken just ease up guy so so he's emotionally unstable yes so apparently his girl said that to him and he snapped and shot her which you know I guess they would have probably been understanding but really I think he got the death penalty for killing the boy yeah he claimed that the girl had the gun and he wrestled it and shot her or she shot him she shot the boy all right his during the struggle yeah the gun went off and he shot the boy and end up shooting her because she got more into the struggle is what they said but the proof was that he shot the boy under the bed and then drug him out from under

the bed i'm assuming that ballistics doesn't uh bode well for his version no it did not and he ended up getting the death penalty so um yeah but um the whole so the whole time he's there and with me now he is it's amazing that the group got along like we we got along we were complimented as being a very thorough um unit of click of orderlies the bathroom was immaculate showers were clean you know nobody really complained much about things that didn't get done no I'll bet it's like hey hey you guys didn't take out the garbage you have a meticulous fraudster who's very very cleanly and you have the other guys keeping everybody quiet about it yeah if you want the garbage taking out you take it was a four star review every time every time they said we were great we buffed

and waxed the floors we were very meticulous as a as a as a group so the the third murderer I feel like this is going to get demonetized and I feel like we haven't done it said anything wrong but go ahead. Really? You think so? It may get limited monetization just because you keep saying we keep saying murder

like that's the kind of stupid the algorithm just says it they'll just be like this guy said this this yeah no no but then you have to ask them to do a manual or a is it manual review a manual review? I'm not painting them in a good life

yeah you're thinking that there's a logic to YouTube. So they may or may not. It's automated. So what happened with this other guy? What happened with the other serial killer? Jason Funk? Yeah.

Funk. Yes. That's right. Yeah. Jason Funk stabbed someone. I think it was 26 times. It was a business partner of him. Because 25 didn't seem like enough.

And 27 seemed excessive. Yeah. Oh my God. God. I mean, at what point during the stabbing do you start thinking, this is crazy. What am I doing? I mean, he's long gone. He's gone.

I got this blood all over the walls. This is the major cleanup. So let me tell you something funny about him. He wouldn't. So he was back on appeal from the Florida prison. I think he did this 1990, 2005, I think it was. Okay. That he committed his crime.

He was back on appeal. so he was he was part of the the click also helping out um so your first meeting of him you would swear he was a flaming homosexual okay i mean but he's not yes hey he does that he's been up the road and he is a i'm not going to think of the name kind of a grandmaster of the florida state prisons are dap philosophy Okay. So he spits out all of those R-DAP terms. Oh, you're awfulizing.

Oh, Isaac. My God. But he's flings. You're awfulizing. You're taking this as your own flaming, like Richard Simmons. Right. In county jail.

But he's in prison. For a murder. For a murder. Okay. So like, so figuring him out was like my main thing because I'm going, you're super surrepey. Mm-hmm. So if you're up the road with nothing but men and you have life, you had to have crossed over.

You know, like, I was going to go ahead. Sorry. No, seriously. Like, and I wanted to figure out if he, so in my mind, like, I wonder if he went in, if they exposed them or what the secret said. Well, he would never admit it, like trying to get the information out. Like, well, you know, like, did you have a boyfriend up there? he just look at you and and keep going he wouldn't even he would never admit it he would never deny it super syrupy there for murder but is a huge R-dap let's just call it R-Dap because I forgot what the Florida program

right right so similar to the federal residential drug treatment yes so he he used to spend his time teaching me the Florida R-Dap giving me all the terms telling me that I was like so what I don't understand. So did he go through it once? Or was he like a, did he work in the program? No, he worked in the program. He was at the institution that everybody in Florida wants to go to for the program because it's a soft-ass institution. Okay.

And hung around, of course, you know, nothing but black people in prison. So yes, he did. Was he a white guy? Yes. Okay. Do you remember the guy that was in Coleman that was there at the medium? for a tax, remember tax fraud, not tax fraud, for the, he was a sovereign citizen. Yes.

And he was, he's worse than him. What was his name? Because he had to check in every two of us. Yeah, he had to check in, listen to this. This guy had been at the low. He'd become a sovereign citizen. He actually had gotten himself registered as a corporation and then managed to get a judge to write a letter saying that the Bureau of Prison. had no jurisdiction over his corporation.

So it had his name. So it said, it was a letter from a federal judge that said, that said that the Bureau of Prisons has no jurisdiction over, and let's say his name is Matthew Cox Incorporated. So it has his name. And so he went, packed up all of his stuff, goes. He's laughing at the low. goes to the warden's office

He was at the medium No no he was this was when he was at the warden This is how he got to me That's how he got to me That's right So he went went to in front of the warden Stands there and waits In front of the warden's office

Finally the lieutenant comes along And goes what are you doing Because I'm waiting to be released They go Well have you been called the R&D He goes no But I have a federal judge Saying you don't have jurisdiction over me

He read the letter and he goes Okay Okay Hold on let me get the warden Goes he's at the warden Warden comes back reads the letter and goes all right all right i understand are you a sovereign citizen and he goes yes i am she goes well i know what to do about this grab him handcuff him take him in the shoe he sits in the

shoe for six months and then they send him to the medium and now he's in the medium where he never should have been he wouldn't prepare for the medium and every two hours he had to check in with a guard He had to go up and show them because they charged him with an escape. So now you were already at the low, miserable. Now you're at the medium. More miserable. More miserable.

I don't remember his name. God, and he was flaming. Flaming. No, he wasn't flaming. Not like this guy? Oh, what? I remember one time you told me that he was on the top tier watching a guy take a shower

because the showers were all, exposed in the medium, right? Because you can't let those guys you have to be exposed out there because they didn't want, you couldn't have a separate private facility because you'd probably get raped. There probably could be rapes there. So they have, your showers were basically

right out in front of everybody. You have a door but from the top tier you could look down on them and see guys in the shower. Like the door was so far away that you'd have to be standing there naked and you said, you go, bro, this fucking guy was sitting up on the thing staring at this guy.

And I was like, well, I mean, he's, he's gay. And you go, still, I just thought he was above that. You're like, and he was. That's how he saw it. But look, right. So, no, he wasn't flaming. You could just tell by his demeanor. He was, okay.

He was quiet. Jason is flaming. I'm talking singing Madonna songs. Hey. Yeah. Flaming. This flamenon. That's what I call.

Absolutely flaming. which but nothing about him screamed murder at all okay you know and he didn't discuss his case and I didn't learn about him until I got out and looked him up

because he never he told me he had life and he probably had no chance of ever getting out he came back on an appeal because I think they gave him an aggravated assault and the murder

and they gave him life on both so what had to happen and that was excessive exactly so they just been life plus two years plus 30 so they changed it from life double life to life plus 30

and I'll bet when the judge did it hit the gavel he said that's right yeah damn shit straighten that out got that right baby double life back to jail double life like I didn't have that coming that's right life plus 30 okay reasonable I can do that double life

forget about it come on what are you thinking I'm gonna die come back do another life to stop it I'll do 30 he'll do the 30 first it was it was concurrent so he was he was good so he'll get the 30 done and in case they bring back parole like that's ever going to happen so anyway yeah yeah then i got a chance but double life no unacceptable so that was that was his his his hope so yeah he gave no murder he was probably the the person that chilled out he was kind of like my partner in keeping the other two calm because he was he had done enough time that he wasn't as upset as the other two who were pending

that he'd accepted those guys were on the on the beginning the beginning the starting point of their life sentence this guy was he he had he settled into it he had settled into it so he you know he'd get up tyrone would be in a bad mood of crying he'd rub his shoulders yeah can you imagine that the all these murders the one guy's crying all the time the other guy's like it's okay he's like he's like he's like he's like he's like he's like he's like, oh, rainy face. No, you're joking, right? Yeah, he called him that.

No. Who's got a rainy face this morning? I'm like, where am I? The other guy's yelling, straighten your shoes up. All the shoes have to be pointing south. That's right. It's like, let's not be so intense, Mr. Terry.

Loosen up. Wow, that's a set of characters. Oh, my God. And we're all. That's a TV show. That it was a, yes, yes. In fact, we used to tell, I tell people that all the time. I'm like, the trustees are all murderers.

They're like, but you're not. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm glad to be alive right now. I never found the body. That's the trick. So, listen, I have a question for you. Did you guys, so when I, do you know the Marshall's holdover in Atlanta? Yes.

I've never been there. Oh, okay. Well, it's, it's, you know, I've heard about it from a lot of people. It's honestly, it's like a unit. It's like a, like a unit at, at, um, at Coleman at the medium. So if you took one of the units that we were in, like, you know, it's two tiers,

and you basically made it like four times as large. No, no, maybe six times as large. So it's one long, and then there was a gate in the middle and a walkway. But, you know, they serve, obviously it's like being in the shoe. They serve you through the, you know, you don't get out and go get your food. So did you guys have to heat up their food and give them to it, feed them through the tray?

So this is Falkenberg. It's Open Bay. Okay. So it's just like the low where it's four bedrooms in a section with a wall up. So there's 72 beds. No, there's 64 beds and then there's people sleeping on a boat in front of certain cubes. When you come in, you start off on the boat and then you make it up to a bunk. You work your way up to a bunk.

The trustees, they have an area we have a washing machine because the way they work is we wash. wash and dry the towels, the washcloths, and the boxers and the socks. So a unit gets a load of all those new. We pass it out. So when they go to the shower, they have a new towel and when they're done with it, they throw it in a bin and we wash them. Okay. So we slept in one area. We had one little cube, but we are the only ones that had double like bunk beds. We had one bunk bed and two regular beds. So whenever we, when the food comes in, they would come in on a cart. We was sticking in the oven, heat it up for about 20 minutes, take it out of the oven, get them ready, and then they would line up and come and get their food and they would eat out

at tables. It's open bay. Okay. Yeah, guys, when you said you had to heat up their food, I thought, what, you're heating up their food and bring it to the room, but no, okay, I understand. Heat it up, and then they'd line up, and so we would hand the trays out, you know, of course, so I want to say this about them. They were very, they, I don't have a nice, or the jail?

No, I'm talking, I want to say this about this. the three murderers. All three of them. We need a better, a clickier name than the three murderers. The three musketeers. Okay, three musketeers.

Let's call us the cleaning crew. Yeah. All right. I want to say this about them. They were snitches. They were. Oh, they told on everybody. Oh, my God.

They went to the police on everything. Bozziak steals a tray. Oh, I'm just going to tell the cops. All right. I'm like, are you serious? Yeah. The motherfucker took a tray.

You're chopping people's head down. Now you're Mr. Morality. You stab someone 26 times. They would actually get pissed off. Oh, this guy, he pissed all over the floor. He's shit in the bathroom. Well, I'm going to tell the police. You chop some chick's head off.

You shot a child and you stab someone 26 times. Yes. And you're upset because Billy Bob took a tray, an extra tray? It's not right. Yeah, exactly. They're like, well, I would tell them. They'd argue in the morning if someone snuck in line twice. Oh, you've already eaten, Matt.

I was to stand around going, this is unbelievable. These are murderers and they're telling the cops on it. It's unbelievable. And when they talked about it, they talked about it as if they had some kind of higher moral code than the rest of these drug dealers and drug users. I mean, they do that because that's how they live at the house. Oh, they don't clear up behind themselves. That's how they live at their homes. Like, but you kill at your house.

So I don't say, why you're not in here killing your house? Why aren't you killing in here? I don't know. Like, if they do that, just kill them. I don't understand what the problem is. I mean, you know, you're always a, I guess you're a big man when you've got the nice or an 11 year old or a woman. Yes.

But when you're dealing with another man, like, hey, Po, po, excuse me, come here. Can you handle this for me, please? These guys are no good. So those are the high level people that I guess I dealt with or met when I was there. So there was a couple of people who I, there's a lot. And like I tried to narrow it down to the ones that I thought were hilarious. So all right. So we had a gentleman by the name of Mike.

So jail, unfortunately for America, they lock up a lot of homeless and mentally ill people. No. Yes. no so we had a lot of mentally why don't they send them to all of the insane asylums that they have all over the clothes that don't exist like back in the 70s they would they had a say like you know Colby doesn't know this

what's a stealth Colby like they actually had in the 50s 60s 70s like they had a sane asylums and then in the 80s they just closed them all do you know what happened and I can't think of the name of my memory is garbage I can't think of the name of the case I'm hoping I can get it, like, but the Supreme Court, so someone sued because there were people being placed in there that weren't technically insane.

All right. And there was a lawsuit that the Supreme Court allowed to go forward, which closed every insane institution in the United States. Hmm. Okay. So that's why they all shut down. It had nothing to do with the states like, hey, don't give any money to that because, you know, if they thought you were crazy,

that's where they sent you. but they shut them now they do have a couple of hospitals but they're hospitals and they have a ward for that but that is the very unstable unstable if you have any level of stability they're going to let you out and they don't hold you they can't hold you longer than 90 days anyway the way the laws are structured but not to get boring anyway so there was a gentleman by the name of mike who used to from time to time and I'm going to tell you why

I bring him up is hilarious is because if you spoke to Mike at any point in time after I tell you what he did he would have a conversation just like you and I like if I approach you and go hey Matt how's it going? He'd like I'm good what's up I'm just chilling

but he so his issue was he would take a blanket and put it over his head and then start beating himself in the face like he'd go under the blanket and be hitting himself like when he'd come out he'd have a bloody nose or a black eye he used to run into the wall to he cut the top of his head and had to go to medical so I hate to ask it but why do you ever ask him like what are you doing I get a little frustrated sometimes man me too but I

Never done that. I know. I'm a little different. You got any chips? Yeah. Anytime you spoke to him, it was like you can, like he could be under punching himself. You're like, Mike, Mike, he'd come out. Yeah.

Hey, what's up, eyes? What's up? Are you okay? I'm a little down. Wow. And it's not like this happened a few times. This happened over the course of. The police.

But the police were upset because they couldn't get medical or psych ward to take him because he was so, his demeanor, his demeanor was so normal at all times. Like if you talk to him, he was fine. Like you say, stop beating yourself. Okay, that's a good idea. Yeah. Let's go watch TV. And he'd get up and go get a chair and watch TV.

His demeanor was every moment normal. And then two hours later, he'd be beating the crap out of itself. You look up and he's bleeding from the nose or he knocked one of his teeth out. And you're like, what happened to you two? I knocked it out, hitting myself under bed for a. So, what was he in there for? He, I would say it's trespassing or disturbing the peace, something like that. I couldn't exactly get his charge.

And every week his mom would come and see him. And he would get this package of food like they'd, order him a package and he'd get a ton of food and he'd eat it all like a $70 bag of soups and stuff would come and he'd eat it all within a 48 hour period like a feral child and he'd go to visitation oh hi mom how you doing do you remember um Palmer yes Palmer was mentally disturbed the white guy Palmer right the one that used to sweep the compound all the time. Rob,

Rob, multiple banks. Yes. That's quite a story, too. I wish I could track him down. He, he, yeah,

he was bizarre. He was, I talked to him all the time. Yeah, he, he, so did he ever tell you about the time he tried to escape?

Yes. Listen, this guy was just like a normal, you'd think he was just like kind of a normal white guy. So was Mike. If you, if you talk to Mike,

you'd be like, Mike, he knocked his tooth out. Like, Mike. What happened to your tooth? Hey, I knocked it out, hitting myself against the bedpost. And you're like, oh. So what do you say to that?

Paul, just for people watching, Palmer was a guy in the medium who had robbed a bank. And basically, Palmer had told me, and I think he sure told you this too, is that he'd never had a job where he was able to support himself. He'd had multiple jobs. He's never able to get one where he could support himself. So one time he goes and he robbed the bank, went in, you know, with like a note or whatever it was.

I don't know what they... It was always a note. Right. Because he didn't get much time. He got like three years. But what happened was they changed the law to where he ended up getting 10 years. Right. Because it was also multiple times, too.

That's sure they didn't help. Yeah. Because he'd gone to prison. He'd gone to prison, got out and did it again. Right. Well, he was shooting for larceny because he was trying. Larceny is basically using, the law is using the company's rules against them. So the rules of the FDIC in the bank is you have to give over the money if it's requested,

bring a robbery. So what he would do is he would request the money. Can you please? He put please in the note. In his mind, he committed larceny. Well, they changed the law. And if there was any intimidation whatsoever, they put intimidation in the robbery. And they hit him with a robbery.

He was very upset about that. that he got the last time he was in jail he got robbery because on larceny he only only gets five years so his plan was always just to go away for five years and get back out i used to talk to him all the time and and they blew it and they gave him 10 and really pissed him off not that it changed anything he was just super calm yes but one time he had he tried to escape he put on like multiple layers of clothes this wasn't at coleman but he put on at another prison put on multiple layers of clothes walks up to the gate

keep in mind these gates are you've got people and you've first of all they have they have towers they also have the pickup trucks that are driving around right there the permanent and the gates have motion detectors on him he climbs the gate or climbs

the fence climbs through all of the concertino wire and as he's going he said it's stripping off clothing he's shedding clothing so he can get through all of them, climb up, he finally gets over the second gate and ends up at the bottom

of the tower. And he said, he's down there, he said, I just got and he said, I'm naked. And he said, I look up, and he starts banging on the door, and finally a guard comes and looks down on him and says, hey, we got an inmate

out here. And so one of the pickup trucks comes around, they run out, and they get on the ground, and they handcuff them, they take them back in the, to the, they put him in the shoe and you got charged with like an escape or something, like, which was three years. Yeah. That was his plan, though. He wasn't ready to get out. He was, oh. I didn't know that part. Yes. I talked to him all the time. He was. He was, he was, he thought he was in control. So his, it's, he'd come up with a problem in his head and his solution was more jail time. Yeah. But he didn't like to be, wait, but he liked the medium. Did he like the medium? Like there was. Okay, he didn't like the pen. He liked the medium. Yes.

Okay. And he was sweeping the compound all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Nice guy. He was. Sorry. Go ahead.

So you were saying, so you were saying mental the boom, boom, boom, bang in his head. Well, I bring Mike up because his demeanor so, so super calm. And that's why they never took him in to the psych ward because they're like, this guy is, there's nothing wrong with this guy. He's very calm and relax. He's just beating himself up. I mean, is that a problem? he'll like literally not figuratively i kind of beat myself up about that no no he's beating himself up i'm a little frustrated have you can the next time somebody says i'm frustrated i'm going to say

have you considered wrapping a towel around your head and banging it against the wall no it works for a buddy of mine it's been known to work it's been known to work all right so then um there's a gentleman by the name of Roderick. So what did Roderick do? Well, how many of these lunatics are on this list? Well, we got Nico, who was the millionaire snitch for the feds. Oh, yeah. No, let's go.

Go to Broderick. Well, Roderick is a, anyway, Roderick is a big, well, no, Roderick is a, how do you explain it? So can I explain him and then you give me a description? can't come up with the proper derogatory term for Roderick. So Roder is the kind of guy that he's a people pleaser and he kind of does everything. He's one of those people that gets along with everybody. Like, hey, how you doing? What's up, man?

What you need, man? I got you. I got you. Right. So he hangs out with a bunch of different girls and some of these girls sleep around. So he might hang out with some prostitutes to sleep around, give him a ride. You know, he might have a brother. He'll deliver somebody needs some drugs.

He'll deliver some drugs. He'll pick up drugs and help him out. So he had a prostitute that I guess he was friends with that ended up that was sleeping with a supposedly a senator. Okay. Right. So this girl told him, listen, this senator is, I think it's a state senator, but I'm not sure. But this is a story he told. so I don't know if it's true.

So supposedly this girl ended up sleeping with a senator, and the senator was doing drugs or something, and he'd fall asleep. So he'd just smoke weed or something to pass out. So she told Roderick that would pick him up. So he's like, whoa, the next time he falls asleep, call me. Because then they're thinking they've got to go by his house, and she lets him in, and they steal a bunch of stuff from him.

Right. So I guess the senator falls asleep. He gets the call. He gets the call. He goes over there. still some valuable stuff some like some um what they call it paraphernalia not paraphernalia um memorabilia some sports memorabilia supposedly some um some money some jewelry like watches like rolex and stuff they still all this stuff out from the senator and they both leave so he gets arrested and he goes

to jail for um obviously trafficking drugs because he was on the run for i think he had got into a shoot out with somebody or something along the line. So when he goes to jail, he decides that he probably wants to tell on the senator. He wants to use the senator's information as leverage. Like, hey, I want to tell somebody about this situation. The senator has a drug problem? The senator has a drug problem. That's not really a get out of jail free card.

Well, he's thinking it is. But he's kind of like a multi. multi-fosseted hustler that runs around and he boasts. So he tells everybody in the unit about this. He's walking around telling all these people that he's about to get out of jail because

he knows a senator that does drugs that he's going to turn it. You're not, but okay. Well, he didn't. Yeah. But that was his master plan to do it. But I guess I didn't work out too well for him. So he's kind of a kind of a schisting hustler that tries to

a bunch of different people, you know, he was, he was kind of bizarre. Okay, low-level street hustler. Low-level street, but he was funny, though. If you, if you met him, he kind of, he kind of talked. If I can do his voice, like, listen, listen, this, listen, Zach, my man, Zach, what's up, babe? Oh, my God. One of those guys that's always happy at all time to see you. Yeah, that's my boy, I'm telling, we all going to come up, though, man.

You know what I'm saying? All right. Nico My man Nico So Nico He explained to me The ways of snitching

So I didn't know I mean like insider snitching So Nico Did federal time Right And got his

Trafficking charge Reduced down to I think he was sentenced to three years And ended up serving one Okay Like kilos of cocaine. Something that would normally get life, he ended up with one year.

In a matter of fact, he had my lawyer, Ms. Paul Mary. Okay. Who insisted. Public defender? No, she was his lawyer. He paid her. He paid her less than I did, by the way. That's upsetting.

Okay. Anyway. You know, I paid, anyway. Is this for your first, for the federal charge for the first time or this time? My federal charge the first time? Yeah. Yeah. I paid Lori.

Oh, okay. That was her. Yeah, I paid her, anyway, I'm very upset about that. But anyway, he paid her and Lori argued that he shouldn't spend one day in jail. To the judge. Whereas to me, she argued that I should be willing to take responsibility for my crime. Right. When I was arguing against spending 10 years in jail.

She got in front of the jail. And I'm reading the transcript and argued the judge that this man shouldn't spend one day in jail. but as I told him you know to me she argued that I should be happy to only spend two years in jail anyway love Lori so you follow the 2255 against her right

yeah don't get me going down that road all right so he was teaching me the ways of of snitching giving me insight that I did not know so insight number one the feds pay

snitches yeah so if you're lucky enough to become a paid informant they give you a percentage of whatever the drugs are worth or whatever money is seized that also includes ghost money and drugs so if i'm a paid snitch and let's say Corey is is doing drug transactions. And I approach Corey and I say, hey, can I sell you a million dollars? That's Colby. Oh, yeah.

Corey, sorry. Corey, Colby. I got it wrong for, to save face. Plus it's been 15 months, so sorry. So Colby's selling drugs. Yes. And I'm a paid informant. If I can get him to agree

to buy or sell a million dollars worth of drugs and he doesn't have it, Right. I would get like a percentage of the million dollars that he could never have come up with to begin with. And they would actually pay me that. Nice. I told him, I go, you're lying. He goes, no, I'm not.

It's in an agreement that he signed. So informants that are paid are paid a percentage of whatever. So obviously they look for a higher level drugs. So the more drugs they can get someone to agree to, the more money they actually make. it's absolutely unbelievable so he is a millionaire from the people that he's set up what was he doing in jail um because he sold to he had four sales in st pete where he sold to undercover four different times and he gave him eight charges he violated supervised release that he had five years after only being out eight months he absconded like in my 14 years and

prison of doing legal work, all of the informants that I have met and the stories I've heard about informants, they are the worst people in the world. They try to play both sides consistently. They feel like if the police are on my side, I can do whatever I want. Yeah, I'm, I listen, I met a guy in the low that was literally, I mean, it was insane the stuff he was telling me it was like I mean he's and he'd get he'd get caught for something and the other DEA agent would come in and say look you can't charge him with that like like we're the ATF we I understand he had the guns I understand this I understand that we've got him he's in the middle of this huge drug transaction you can't charge him and they dropped it dropped it so a lot of times

they would protect him you know but I understand at some point when you are no longer valuable and you keep have gotten away with all this stuff one day you get busted you go hey man I need some help and they go uh and you get 20 years and they're like we don't understand we had an agreement we did but we're done with that now I don't even want to start

on that pack I got so much to say about it so one of the so he taught me a lot that was one of them the trick that always blew my mind was that he wanted to snitch

on someone because he's in we're in a state pod we're in a pod with people with the state and the state doesn't well they didn't do like snitching and time cuts

they are starting to now just so you know I wanted to tell you that I learned that Florida's starting to if you tell we'll give you less time type of shit right but so so all the state people when there he was walking around

gathering cases so when he's telling me this I say, well, he goes, yeah, I'll just have them move me to another pod. Like, I'll get a case. Somebody will tell me enough to get me a case that I can turn into them, and I'll have a move me to another pod. I say, well, don't you think it would be suspicious that you move? He said, no, what I would do if I left,

let's say I got moved out because of you. As soon as I left, I saw anybody in the pot, I tell him, hey, Matt's a snitch. He told on me and they moved me out. which like in my mind I'm going that is freaking brilliant because you've just reversed right the entire you're the snitch and how do you prove that you're not the snitch right and everybody's saying it well they move so-and-so they moved to me he said they got moved oh max when it got on he moved blah blah blah and I'm going to myself like you guys have yeah no scruples none none you're absolutely unbelievable

Plus, they're paying you all this money. I was going to say when the FBI came to see me at Coleman, they offered me money. And I went, no. She's no, I mean, we can put two, three hundred bucks on your books, you know, on your account. That way you have commissary. Like, I mean, I, you know, I just want to make sure that you're taking care of.

I said, no. I said, my fear is that I cooperate. You get a case and we get in front of the judge or the prosecution and the prosecution. and the prosecution says, Your Honor, like, we don't need to give Mr. Cox any time off. We've been paying him for all of this information. So because I had spoken with my cousin who said,

don't ever accept a dime, because he had met a guy that they were giving him like $1,000 a month for like a year and a half. And when it came time, they busted the people. They just stopped showing up. And he was like, okay, wait a second. I need my time cut. And they said, well, yeah, but we've been paying you.

And he was like, I didn't do this for the money. they were like, I know, but, you know, we went to the prosecution and they said, look, that we paid this guy, whatever, $18,000 of the past 18 months. And, and, you know, he was like, well, look, he's got something out of it. Like, I'm not going to file anything for this guy. He's got a couple more years. He can do those two, a couple of more years. As if $18,000 is worth two or three more years.

But, you know, he said, yeah, he said, so my cousin was like, so if they offer you money, he was, don't take it. So when I sat down, they were like, listen, you know, if you need me to, I can put money on your both sides. I said, uh-uh, I know about you. I'll starve. No. Yeah.

Well, both, I think both sides are, are scumbags. Yes. Yeah, I get it. I'm fine with that. You're fine with that. Well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say, it's, it's just that some of those people go bad, Matt. They actually use the law to break the law. They think that they're, you, you weren't in that category.

You didn't, like, try to use law enforcement to be able to sell and, and deal drugs. I mean, they, they use them to bring down their own competition. Right. Oh, you want to mess with me? I'll get you arrested. Yeah. You know, I'll use the government, uh, as my, as my own retaliator. So, like chopo. Like chopo. Yeah. Yeah. I'll give you information on this guy, on these cartels on this guy and this guy and then have them all have your competition busted and then you blow up even bigger. Yeah. Um, so go ahead. Sorry. Oh, no. It's just that um, and Nico, I guess, had come to the end of his line. You know, he had discovered a body for them.

Yeah, he said he had a buddy that had shot somebody and asked him if he knew how to get rid of a body. And he gave that to the cops. And the cop goes, we just need you to go over there with a wire on, identified it as a dead body in there. And then we're going to go in. And he said he kind of walked in, you know, and the guy, oh, my gosh, is that a dead body? No, no, no.

They asked him if he could, like the people call, hey, can you get rid of a dead body? He's like, yeah. So he said he came in. and the guy, he goes, where's the body at? Let me see the body. So he said he walked in. This is why Lori was saying that he shouldn't spend a day in jail. So he walked in and he goes, and he sees the body.

The guy's laying there. He's dead. He's like, what the fuck happened? He goes, we got no argument over, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I shot him. He was like, okay, well, let me call my people and I'll get him over here. We'll get that out of here for you. And he said the guy pulled the gun and put it in his face.

He's got a wire on. Right. Right. And he said he doesn't know what happened and he didn't panic. Like, oh, get in. here, get in here. He said, all of a sudden he just kind of like got cool and said, what are you doing? He goes, I don't know you, dude.

He said, the guy with the gun said, I don't know you, man. How do I know you're not fucking going to the cops? And he said, he looked at him like, dude, you, one of your moments. Dude, you asked me over here, bro. And you called me. Yeah. Like, what the fuck, man? He's like, do you want me to get rid of this thing or not?

He go, well, fine. If you feel that way, then shoot me, motherfucker. And he said, started walking off to the door. He said, about to piss himself. walked to the door, open the door and left and closed the door. Went to the car and said, Oh!

Get over here. That's right. Cops bust in and took him to jail. He said, Lori fought. That's the reason why he had already testified in trials to get his time down, but that's the reason why he only spent

a year in jail on a three-year sentence. He did a year. And he wasn't even out six months before he caught. a whole new for sales and delivery and you said he'd made a ton of money so he had a ton of money out there he didn't need to do it he just you know the problem is that you get into that life and you don't know anything else and then you can't even stomach going to regular job you're like

i don't understand i'm gonna you're talking about to bust my ass all week and you're going to give me like five hundred dollars like fuck that because there's never been any consequences for you you know it was funny because that's one thing he said that i one of the lines that stick in my mind from being in there, as he said, he said he was living a lifestyle where I committed a felony every day. And I told him, I said, you know, I remember when I had that lifestyle. Like every day I'm committing felonies, you know what I'm saying? It sounds funny as a criminal, but if you're saying that to a person that's never been to jail, it sounds atrocious. Right. You know, but as a criminal, you're kind of like, yeah, I remember that. Good times, good time. Yeah.

A felony a day? I'll top you. Two felonies. It's crazy. So last person, I call him Mr. Pathetic. Now, I met him on the tail end of, this is a long story. No, I didn't. I met him when I went to work. At some point, I went to work in the kitchen as a, at the Hillsborough County Jail, Falkenberg Road, they decided one day that they're going to give me the privilege of working in the kitchen.

So I'm like, you know, and like, we're going to move you to another unit. And we're going to move you to a quieter unit where it's quieter. And we're going to give you probably two trays for lunch, two bag lunches. You guys are too good to me. I know. And we're going to give you a chance to work in the kitchen where you'll be able to eat extra food. And we're going to cook you, like we're going to give you some of the food that we feed the staff. I'm like, wow, awesome.

They're going to treat me good. And they moved me from the clean unit with the murderers. into a unit that's filthy so this is when I learned that me and the murderers kept the unit immaculate so they moved me to a filthy unit the unit is absolutely dirty

the people who clean up their garbage in matter of fact when I complained they're like I'm like dude have you swept the bathroom it's junk all over around the toilet he goes the brooms over there like you sweep it motherfucker dirty unit

um there's they have a tablet that you can use. So when I'm in my unit, I get the tablet all day. Right. In this unit, they don't pass the tablet out for later hours. Plus, you're working. So you can't even use the tablet that much. Then they send me to work. They're like, okay, you're working a 10 hour a day shift six days a week. So then when I go for an extra tray. Yeah. I'm burning off the extra shay. Easily. When I go into work, it's washing. There's 2,000 there's 3,000, there's like almost 4,000 people there.

So it's washing 4,000 dinner trays twice. Wow. So when I come in, I'm washing the breakfast tray because at lunch they give you a bag. So as soon as I get to work at 11 a.m., I'm washing the breakfast trays. Then I'm turning around and putting food into breakfast trays, sending it out for dinner. Once the dinner trays come back, I'm washing the dinner trays. After I wash the dinner trays, I get to go back. How long did you do this?

For about four weeks. Until. Well, until I got fired for talking during count. If I had known that, I had talked the second fucking day. Horrible. Why did you keep doing it? Why didn't you just say, look, I'm done? Yeah, I'm not doing this.

I don't know. I said that to myself many times, but I don't know. I don't even have a good reason, Matt. I don't have a good reason. So anyway. Send me back to the murderers. I want to go back. The murderers!

At least it was clean. And they wouldn't tolerate these little pieces of chicken. But no, listen. So in that unit, there was a couple of people who didn't have to work. I don't understand why they were there at all. One of them was, and I can't remember his name, I called him Mr. Pathetic. So he had no money and no, and he claimed to have no money and no friends. That's how you introduced.

Hi, I have no money. I have no friends. Well, he wanted a cup of coffee. It started off with begging for coffee. And being in jail, I know you know that coffee is everybody begs for coffee because it's the appetite suppressant. Right. So he's begging for coffee. I give him coffee.

So after about the 10th time that day, I'm like, dude. He's like, man, I'm sorry, bro. Right now I got any money. I'm waiting to get out. So he's telling me his story because he's, you know, trying to befriend me. So I guess I give him. more coffee. So he's like, oh, you know, I'm really, I'm only hitting here because, you know, my wife put a restraining order against me and I'm here for violating a restraining order.

I'm like, really? I go, how long have you been in here? He goes, I've been in here. This time I've been in here like about a month. I said, this time, how many times you've been in here? Go, this is my fourth. I said, what the hell were you in jail for before? Drugs? He goes, nah, I just keep violating the restraining order. What? I'm like, against your wife? He's like, man, we've got two kids, man, we've been married for about 22 years. I don't understand. Like, all of a sudden, she just up and was tired of having me around. So I'm like, okay, well, what kind of work do you do?

He goes, I don't work. I said, what kind of work did you do? He goes, well, I never really had a job. Like, so, of course, my mind's going like, what? What kept her, what made her weight 22 years? So I've never, he's never had a job. His wife owns a successful chiropractor. clinic. She's the owner

with other chiropractors under her. They live in a very large, well she lives in a very large. He had to get out. Right. Yeah, go ahead. In a very large house and he claims that one day she came home and just like, I don't want to do this anymore. I want you to get out of my house.

Supposedly he says he drinks and he goes into a drunken rage or something. And so she's like, I'm tired of you. I want you out of my house. It's over. I say, well, if she's seeing somebody else, he goes, not that I know of. She's just tired of me, but I don't understand like why she's tired of me.

I do. Exactly. I'm like you know, we've been here 20 minutes and I can get out. Yeah. I have some I have some insight on her. So

I'm like, what about your friends? He doesn't have any friends and he was living with his dad and his dad was on the verge of throwing him out. I'm like, Listen, Matt, Matt, you, this is a human pathetic. Like, if you looked up pathetic in the dictionary, it's a picture. I mean, why didn't he get a job? I don't know.

That would be a question you would have to ask him. I don't know. I was just, you never asked him? He just didn't want to get a job. Couldn't get a job? No, I think he said he was going to get a job. But he got out. 42 years.

What's holding you back? he got out and he came right back twice so he got out came back because i was there about a month so he got out about a week and a half came back to the same unit so that unit must have supported restraining order like it might have been people who broke restraining orders right he came back for breaking the straight restraining order again yes and then like i left that unit because he was supposed to get out like within a month or something okay i left that unit a couple a month later as I was leaving I ran into him or going to court I ran into him I said I go did you ever get out he goes yeah I got out I go how long were you out or about two weeks what happened

I called my wife why well she said something I don't remember I think he said it was a Facebook posting that said something that he didn't like and he wanted to ask her why would she put that on Facebook. Curiosity does not trump does not trump the restraining order. Super pathetic. I said, what about your dad? Is your dad tired of? Yeah, my dad's probably going to kick me out this time.

I don't know where I'm going to go. But he asked me to keep in touch because he just doesn't have that many friends. So I was hoping to introduce him to you, man. I'm good. Are you sure? You don't want to interview him? I, I. Get out of my house.

I'm all filled up with my pathetic friends. No, I'm talking about someone else. Oh, of course. They're not even friends here. I mean, anyway. But, I mean, that's kind of the long and short of some of the people I met there. I think I listed all the ones that I really wanted to meet, I mentioned. in my 12 months at Hillsborough County.

When I went to Pinellas County, there wasn't really any... What about the guy that you had told me earlier about a guy that was in a high-speed chase or something? Oh, yeah. I have his name, too. I meant to look him up. He tells that story much better. The only part that I think is cool is when he was...

Because he drove across the skyway, like both ways. He went to St. Pete, then he turned around and came back on the skyway. While being chased? While being chased. Yeah, he took him through like three or four counties. Listen, he jumped into the Hillsborough County, and he was in the Hillsborough County River for about nine hours. Hillsborough County River.

Not river, not river. What, the Bay? The Bay. Okay. For like nine hours. Trying to allude them. Yes. Why were they chasing him?

He said because he dropped off a friend and he felt he was high. He dropped off a friend and then he felt like someone was chasing him. Turns out if you drive like someone's chasing you long enough, people will chase you. And he goes, that's probably what ended up happening. What's with this guy? You know what? I'm going to chase him. I'm actually going to chase him.

That man needs to be chased. That's exactly what happened. He thought someone was chasing him. And he goes, like you say, eventually, someone started chasing him. So he jumps out of the car and runs. I want to see if I can track him down. I'm going to see if I can find him. He'd be funny.

Oh, my God. Listen, he's hilarious. If he's sober, he's also very easily induced. Hell, I'm boring you. So, thank you. I'm sorry. I woke up at like three in the morning. Me too.

Really? Yeah. Why? You just do now? Well, I was scared, you know? I just wake up. You know, it was, for a long time, it had been breakfast time. So anyway, go.

I was going to say when everybody, I used to wake up at like, you know, five and everybody would go, why you wake up at five? That's when they turn the lights on. The guard, do you have the, where they would do that, in the low, they would turn on the lights. I'm talking for like four o'clock count or five o'clock in the morning. They would turn on the lights and walk around the count. It's like, come on, man. Like, what are you doing?

And then they shut them back off for like an hour and a half. Like, you know, it's, you know, so you wake up and it's like, I might as well just get up and go get some coffee now. They already counted. I'm allowed to walk around. And I'm walking around. What the hell? Then I'd go watch the infomercial for Home Title Lock and think,

I should be on that commercial. I really should. They don't have anybody like me. And now I'm on. Now they do. I mean, hey, that's what the heck. So it's good to be back and back and back in play. Trying to put your, trying to put my life back together, trying to get it going.

So those are some very interesting people to meet. Some of them I've managed to kind of talk to. Some of I want to track down and see if maybe we can bring them in here and talk to them and share more in-depth their stories that are probably not the guy that beats himself up. I don't think you want him in here. I mean, if we can keep him calm. He's always. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Like, how funny would that be? He's sitting there with a broken nose, bleeding, blood, missing a tooth. What happened to him? You know, I was upset. I'm a little frustrated. Like, what's he locked up for? I've been beating my head against the desk and obviously I broke my nose. You got a tissue or something?

So you're trying to get back on your feet. Yes. If someone wanted, if someone was so inclined to say, hey, or declined, but to say, well, you want him to decline. So, hey, let me send this dude 20 bucks because, you know, he's trying to put his life back together. He owes a couple hundred dollars to, to a overdrawn on your bank account from when you, you know, took off. Like they don't stop billing you for stuff. No, they don't. So, you know, and they were so inclined.

Like, are you going to be able to open up a. like we'll have we can put either Colby can put his like before Colby put put his PayPal right or you can get a PayPal or cash app and I can put it I'll get both of them we can put it in the in the description okay yeah please please if you can help me get back going so that I can make more frequent appearances and I kind of get my life back going and can stay on the right track this time get what I'm determined to do get out of the sister's spare room yes yeah yeah listen because I said that's that's I was in Stacy's spare room forever. My friend Stacy, I stayed in her spare room. I told you that, right? I stayed in her. Well, the cop that we, she was running basically a rooming house. Like she's got me in one room.

She's got the cop in the other room. Yeah, the cop. Yeah, the cop in the other room. Yeah, she was going through like a divorce and, you know, needed to stay somewhere and went and moved in there. Wow. A female cop on that? Yeah, she was a forensic cop. Oh, wow.

Did you guys exchange stories? Yeah, she was, she was interesting. She was an interesting person. So I was going to tell you, did I ever tell you this, that I stayed, Stacey has in her house, she has like a salon, and she also had a really big walking closet in the salon. I moved my bed into the closet and slept in the closet. And she was like, there's no windows in here. Are you sure you want to do this? I'm like, because that way in the main room, the bigger room, which was about the size of a.

regular bedroom i was like yeah but i can do my studio in here i can paint in here and the bed's in the way so if i put it in here it just fit in the clot so you could open the door walk in and lay in bed it was just perfect i fit perfect um and she was like yeah there's no windows i was like no it's cozy I'm you know after 13 years no no I'm good in here this is nice I sleep good in this so yeah it was I stayed in there for yeah about 13 months I think 13 14 months is I stayed yeah bizarre bizarre Jess would come and see me at the house yeah we'd sleep in the in the closet we would put my put up my laptop and watch movies and lay in bed and watch movies and and honestly like thrilled like it was like this is

awesome like you're in a claw you live in someone's spare you don't even live in their spare room you live in their closet you're watching youtube videos on your laptop and you guys are like i've got it made that's right like compared to prison yeah it's much better oh yeah much better much better no guard like shut up yeah oh man no murderers are feeding your dinner so yeah that's not bad good times that's right all right are anything else what else we got no well what about the youtube channel Yeah, let's say. YouTube channel. Should I promote it?

Yeah, because we're going to, so shoot a video and you're going to put it up on a YouTube channel. Right. Where I'm going to kind of start talking to a lot of the people who I've met in and out of jail, giving some stories of other people that I know, describing them, putting my little spin and sense of humor on it. I'm hoping to take the channel to a level where I can interview a lot of different people, maybe throwing some skits and depicting some of the stories that we describe in jail situations that we think are hilarious. So please check it out.