Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Viral CON ARTIST Fakes Cancer & Steals Millions | Elizabeth Teckenbrock's Husband Exposes Everything!

Episode Date: June 1, 2025

Drew sits down with Matt Cox to reveal how his ex-wife faked having cancer—manipulating not only him, but millions of followers online. What started as a workplace introduction spiraled into a web of lies, as she used her viral social media presence to collect hundreds of thousands in donations and fund her lifestyle. Drew opens up about the emotional toll, the financial impact, and how the truth finally came to light.Connect with DrewYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@InventingElizabeth Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/inventing_elizabeth/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@inventingelizabethGet 50% sitewide for a limited time. Just visit https://GhostBed.com/cox and use code COX at checkout.Do you want to be a guest? Fill out the form https://forms.gle/5H7FnhvMHKtUnq7k7Send me an email here: [e-mail] you extra clips and behind the scenes content?Subscribe to my Patreon: https://patreon.com/InsideTrueCrime Follow me on all socials!Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/insidetruecrime/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matthewcoxtruecrimeDo you want a custom painting done by me? Check out my Etsy Store: https://www.etsy.com/shop/coxpopartListen to my True Crime Podcasts anywhere: https://anchor.fm/mattcox Check out my true crime books! Shark in the Housing Pool: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0851KBYCFBent: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BV4GC7TMIt's Insanity: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KFYXKK8Devil Exposed: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TH1WT5GDevil Exposed (The Abridgment): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1070682438The Program: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0858W4G3KBailout: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bailout-matthew-cox/1142275402Dude, Where's My Hand-Grenade?: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXNFHBDF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1678623676&sr=1-1Checkout my disturbingly twisted satiric novel!Stranger Danger: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSWQP3WXIf you would like to support me directly, I accept donations here:Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/MattCox69Cashapp: $coxcon69

My wife at the time said that she had cancer. She's getting millions of views on every single video. This is now funding her lifestyle. I stole $800,000 for one guy, $600,000 for another guy. I did not want to have to really come forward. I had a private practice optometry clinic. I hired her best friend. And so we were introduced, I call her Aaron in the story.

We were introduced by Aaron. She worked for me. And she's like, I have a friend and all this stuff and, you know, show me pictures. and so we started talking in that regards like she's trying to set you up with her yeah exactly like she was like hey i have you know and so we went out a couple times and started you know hanging out and really just you know hitting it off in a lot of ways and at that time because i own my own business i you know i'm very very business like focused on it you know so for her i think that was the way that

she is she's like a chameleon she will mimic your moves if i was into this she's into this right so I was really big into, you know, building the business, building the practice, and she was all about that. So we really, I felt like we really connected over that drive. And she said she had done other business things in the past, but it turns out she didn't. But I was like, you know, you know, so we really connected on, you know, false things, but really knew that was what would connect with me. And so got married. We met in 2017. Got married in 2018. And so. That's fast. Yeah, it was fast.

Yeah. So. Was it fast just because she was like super cool and interesting and amazing and. Yeah, it really was. It was basically, I was at a place in my life where, you know, I was in my early 30s. I had accomplished everything and I was ready for that next step. And, you know, I think she took advantage of that aspect of, you know, have my business. I had a house.

I had all these things. So I was looking for the next aspect of my life, which was a relationship. So I felt like, you know, guiding that, you know, aspect of her where she really took advantage and how she operates and really, you know, we're step for step every, you know, step of the way where I'm just like, oh, this is, I met my soulmate, you know. And so, yeah, it was, you know, obviously pretty fast. And from there, that's where she kind of got involved in my practice and started, you know, kind of being like the tech office manager and really helping out with, you know, build,

build the business what was she doing for a living when you met her so she said that she was working at a special need school as like a teacher was that was that true uh not not i mean no no here's the thing yeah did you find all this out later later yeah later but i mean so in real time yeah i was going to say while while you're dating her because obviously something's not right right like i mean So, I mean, but if you're constantly lying about stuff, you know, then every once in a while you're probably going to slip up or somebody, you're going to bump into some, you know, you're talking to her best friend. At some point, the best friend, you're going to say, oh, yeah, you know, this is what she told me the other day. And, and then she's going to be like, that's not what she told me.

Right. Or do those things come up? And then she just has an explanation and you accept the explanation? Yeah, so yeah, she always had like an explanation for all these things that happened or if it wasn't, it was a misunderstanding or I misunderstood. It's a lot of gaslighting in that regards. Right. But to even go a step further, I even picked her up for lunch at this school. So now I'm thinking, not now, but like after I found out of everything, I'm just like, did she drive to the school, park in the parking lot and wait out front for me to pick her up? And I'm like, yeah, she absolutely did that. So, yeah.

So it's not like I didn't go to the school and I mean, I didn't go to her classroom. didn't go in it was a quick little pickup and you know go to lunch type of deal so like you know at the time you're thinking yeah no one's going to drive there and pretend that they work there and just wait for you well did you ever see uh dirty john no i haven't i've heard about that a lot lately um dirty john uh the guy would he was well one he's stealing from well he was a he was like a nurse or something i forget but he would anybody said he was like a doctor and he would go to different hospitals and you know you walk in and so she that the woman can walk in and he's in there in the waiting room you know

or talking to somebody and walking out hey what's going hey and walks out and he looks like a doctor acts like doctor i drop him off the hospital he's in the hospital right but but there's other i was going to say um a common thing to use for like con men is um what do you call it uh they call them HQ headquarters they have them in every city where it's a virtual office right so you can pay you can pay a fee to have them answer your phones as whatever business you want so they'll say hey express tax services oh i'm sorry you know mr johnson isn't in right now or oh hold on let me see if i can transfer you and they'll put you on hold and they'll call your cell phone and say hey so-and-so's on the line do you want me to transfer them yes you pay like

120 bucks oh really yeah and then they'll charge you per minute after so many minutes but if you want to meet somebody there you can go there you can rent an office you can rent a conference room and so when the person shows up and they say hi i'm here to see mr johnson they'll go oh hold on a second he's in his office and they click so it's almost like they're working they're helping the scam right yeah so it's on the wiser yeah so they'll pick you up well follow me they'll lead you down there can i get you a coke you know no jennifer we're good talk to him in the office for a minute or whatever or say or you'll walk out of the office and say hey but let's talk in the conference room so people are walking by it's this massive

office on the 22nd floor like obviously you're legit yeah that sounds like this like that type of stuff yeah so the operation she may use that if she watches this she can yeah yeah scammer tip there's actually a movie called um oh gosh uh empire empire and the guy that cons this guy out of several million dollars he uses that and so when he disappears the guy he that got ripped off shows up at the office and walks in there he's like hey is tim here and they're like they're like Tim who? Tim, you know, Bradley. She's like, who? And then he named, he's like, he owns the whole, he, this is his office. He owns this whole place. And she's like, oh, no, sir, this is a rent space. We rent

offices. Yeah. And then she's like, what's it? And then it says the name of the corporation of the business. And she's like, oh, yeah, yeah. No, they, they were here for a few months. Yeah, no, no, they didn't renew their leave. Like they set it up for, yeah, a certain amount of time. Yeah, no, this is like, I mean, stuff. Yeah. But when the guy meets him there, he walks up, he's He's like, he's like, hey, Jennifer, do you want anything to drink? And he's like, oh, no, I'm good. And he's like, Jennifer, can you get me as such and such? She's like, sure.

Gets up, like, they know, you think they know each other. Yeah. The second is the reception is where we know each other. From the whole outside, it seems like the legit business. Because most people do not. Right. And I would say this, most people are not hyper aware or alert for fraud. Yeah.

They just don't, they don't think it. They want what you're saying to be true. Right. They don't even question it. Right. So if you do have a question, you go, I thought you said this the other day. They're not thinking, gotcha.

They're just thinking, I thought you said that you. Right. I thought you said you had a mischubishi. Yes. And, no, did I say a mischibis? No. And you're like, oh, I must have misunderstood. It's done.

Exactly. And those little small things, you know, you can tend to overlook them. Right. And then all of a sudden. And you want to. Right. Especially, she's a pretty girl. She's nice.

You're both interested in the same thing. I want what you're saying to be true. Exactly. And why would this. person want to right what's the role yeah as we go along with this all like that was always kind of my back thought of this is like all right this is probably her but like what benefit is she gaining right what's the point of this like this is really you know sick to do all these things and there's like not really some benefit you know right so yeah no these are exactly right you know where

i'm going there and i'm just like okay yeah obviously you work here you're out front like you're not even i'm not even like registering that like she would put this much time and effort to you know trick me and to rope you in right so after she worked there that's when you know the office like she kind of came in and um you know was kind of office manager but you mentioned about her friend well this is kind of what she does like triangulates where she started having issues with her friend so her friend probably only worked for me for maybe another month or two after because again there would be a lot of those scenarios hey you know catch him in lies and different things so in my mind she didn't want to have that. So she kind of made this, I'm not saying a riff, but it definitely was like,

well, I'm not trying to have problems here between, you know, you guys, you know, we're kind of dating now. Right. So, and so that her friend ended up, you know, leaving. Right. So that kind of left it, you know, isolating where, yeah, I don't have that person to really double check like, hey, yeah, you're not saying the same thing you're saying. You didn't go to Harvard. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Jennifer said you didn't graduate high school. Yeah. Or like the beauty, like, what you She did, like, she did her hair and, like, destroyed her hair. So, like, those stories, you know, you don't get that confirmation on it. But, yeah, so shortly thereafter, she's basically breaking up the whole dynamic.

So I probably can't double-check these things or verify these things. So I had a contract for this building that I signed in the story I call Mr. Con. He was a landlord. And basically, he, in March of 2018, we signed the lease. uh for three years and in july he told us that he was going to sell the building and on the day that he said he was going to sell the building it turns out he ended up in a nursing home with like a head injury and it was like okay like everything everything okay whatnot he signed over the building his personal property and he did like a last will and testament and he was going to sell the

building like because we asked his real estate agent like you know how much is the building going to be they're like oh it's going to be like 800 000 for the building it's like okay well well, I'm not buying that, you know. So just kind of curious. But the point of that is really in the nursing home, he signed over these documents and gave the building away to another tenant for free, essentially. And then he died in August. So basically within two weeks, he signed everything over.

And the new tenant, well, I should say the new landlord, that was a tenant in the building, you know, knocks on my door and was like, hey, I'm the new owner. owner you owe me rent and I was like um well I need you know my lease updated I have no problem paying you if you do own this building I find it a little bit weird that you know he was going to sell it and now he's just giving it away and so she never wanted to update my lease she would never actually change the lease to it and so I paid rent for to Mr. Con still for that for August the month he passed I put it under the door and so I didn't pay rent to her because she refused to update it so she eventually filed to like have me evicted out of my practice and this is where

this all really starts is my wife at the time said that she knew an attorney that could help us you know to fight this like landlord tenant dispute situation and she was like oh it's an attorney i used in the past like um back home because she's from indiana and i was like well that'd be great if you know somebody. And so she started communicating with this attorney, which was called Lauren, her name's Lauren. And so long story short of this is basically I'm thinking that we're gearing up for landlord tenant court to go over this dispute.

You know, hey, just add my name to the lease, no issues. Well, that never happened. They actually evicted us. And so when we got evicted, you know, it basically was out of the blue. because I was just like, well, what happened with Lauren? Like, why is she not handling this? Like you said, all these things. So, you know, I don't know.

Long story of that part of it is that I'm thinking that I have an attorney, someone that she knows she's been communicating with and trying to handle this, you know, wrongful eviction, this, you know, this whole contract dispute of who's the rightful landlord, who's not. And so it ended up being that we had to leave. And I was just like dumbfounded. I was like, well, I think.

thought we were going to be, you know, do you ever there? I said, I want to talk to Lauren. She's representing me. Yeah, so, exactly. So every time I wanted to physically talk to Lauren or set a meeting, you know, upset would occur, like, you know, why you don't trust me, like she's handling it, you know, all this stuff. And these are some of those like points of like, I mean, looking back, like, there was definitely

those like signs where I was just like, this is weird. But, you know, again, it's like, why, you know, why would you, there's no gain in you to like make up this whole thing, essentially. So it's like, you know, if you're upset by it, I understand, talk with her, figure it out. You know, we'll go, you know, whatever the recommendations are and things like that. So basically, I don't know if you want me to get to like the end of that or build all the way up on that. I mean, does she not exist? So, yeah, so basically over the next year, we've already been evicted out of the office.

I had a guy come and get all my equipment because I couldn't, you know, we were leaving essentially. Right. So this guy, basically his name is Jeff in the story. Jeff comes to my office the day that we're being evicted and takes all my equipment out of there. He's the one I bought the equipment from. So like I knew he knew how to like handle it. And he's like, hey, this equipment is like temperature controlled. Like you got to like, you just can't put it in the storage unit like I was with like some of the other stuff. He's like, I'll hang on to this for you. And, you know, protect it. So he came and took away the stuff. So now we're officially out of that office. Fortunately, I had a second office. that I actually opened. So we were basically primarily working out of this second office. So I was still just kind of continuing on. And we were communicating with, you know, Lauren.

I was communicating with her via text, via email. And then, you know, she would be communicating with her in other, you know, avenues, text email.

And sometimes on the phone, like in front of me, like sometimes she'd be talking to her, apparently. So, yeah, so all these illusions of this person. But nothing is ever.

moving forward and so after about like six months of just the run around and just being like what is going on here um you know kind of calling her out as far as you know is she real like why is you know how do you know her you know all these different things but all of a sudden i get a forwarded email from a banker and a judge and like there was a real judge um but she forwarded this from law law lawrence email she forwarded um from these two people and basically was like hey the lawsuit that i've been working on you know it got settled and the fund should be available soon because basically we were going to go after them after we got evicted for wrongful eviction essentially so that's what that case ended up turning into is

that they wouldn't update to the contract they broke the contract they never you know did things on the up and up so you know we're going after them for breach of contract loss of income you know et cetera. So she's saying that basically the judge is letting me know. So there's all these emails coming in now from places, if you will. Like this is on the brink of like COVID happening. So basically this is now reaching to like 2019. And when we get into COVID, like everything like shut down. So you know, courts work down and everything like that communication. So it's just kind of where things fizzled out with that. But that's where, you know, Lauren is to somewhat in this like communication with my wife and me and you know trying to get this money from

the judge from the bank you know basically you know couldn't get it because everything was just like shut down in my mind like obviously for her it's like this bought her like another six to eight months essentially of like hey can't do anything about it you know so is the email from Lauren like a Gmail or is it like at so-and-so law firm yeah so um so the the email account because this was like her friend that she knew it was under a gmail account at this time so she was at her name at gmail and what i was told is because that she was doing this as a favor she wasn't going through like her traditional like at you know uh whatever law firm but yeah yeah it wasn't like at uh uh cumberland and and and chives you know law firm yes but that but that comes into play

later so later on when i finally like had enough of it she she actually bought a domain name to create a fake law firm yes and when she's talking on the phone is she actually on a call like she on her voicemail call or she just empty phone yeah so i mean i think there's probably a couple of times for both i mean i did hear someone speaking back a lot of times but i can never make out like what they were saying or hear it so i think some of them were like calls probably about maybe she called her mom and was like you know hey i'm got to have this conversation like play along so yeah so there was definitely i heard voice to sometimes, and then sometimes it was just her talking and things like that.

So she basically created this whole, all out of this, you know, building lawsuit, if you will. And so this is really where the fraud originated from, if you will, in my mind, for where she really came into play, is trying to figure out this building and all this stuff and creating a fake attorney, essentially. So as she pregnant it, this time you have kids at this time so in 2019 we had our first daughter together so she had two previously and so they live with you yep so they live with us and then um her oldest daughter would go back and forth um but the dad and this is how she met lauren supposedly is her oldest son

when she lived in indiana apparently there was some lawsuit because of there was some like essay situations she said that she sued him and all this stuff so she has like full custody of the son because she told me his dad was basically in jail so basically this attorney that she introduced me to that's how that's the situation that they they knew them for does that end up being true or no no okay yeah because i was gonna say bad they want to write that guy a letter yeah so yeah yeah so none of it's true but you know so again yeah all these time through all those time it truly is like sorting out what's true what's true what's BS and, you know, it turns out a lot more the BS than what's actually true.

So, so, I mean, you keep, you're still going on. You're still, I mean, you got the one office. There's no lawsuit. It's COVID. Everything's kind of shut down. I mean, when, is there other stuff here going on? Or when do things are unraveling? Like, I mean, are you, you're, are you seeing any signs like?

Yeah. find out about one thing or do you you don't don't kind of give away anything but do you find it all out at once or it's like oh you know i caught it out on this but we kept on going like what's the so sort of so basically her strategy what i've realized now is when i start to figure out like the lauren situation things are not making a lot of sense and i'm basically coming to ahead of things a new new chaos ensues right so and that's something that will trigger because before the Lauren situation can it came to a head. So I owed for that optometry equipment that Jeff was storing for me. So I was like, I need to pay off this loan. Like, you know, not working right now,

but like I have this equipment he's storing. So I went to reach out to Jeff to sell the equipment for me to get the money. Right. So it was weird because everything was really good with communication at first. And then all of a sudden, you know, it broke down. And then essentially he said he had money for me and I would get it, but I never did. Long story short of that situation is what she, what I found out afterwards is she actually sold that equipment. She contacted Jeff behind my back and asked Jeff to sell the equipment in 2019. So in 2020, when I was asking him to sell it for me, she, what I came to find out, the number of my phone was not his number. So she had actually gone into my phone and changed Jeff's number.

in my phone to basically her burner numbers so i'm thinking i'm talking to jeff about selling my equipment but i'm actually talking to her um because you're texting because i'm texting and i you know have his number so just texting about all this stuff so turns out i'm talking to her thinking i'm talking to jeff and my equipment says already been sold which she already knew so she when i started talking about selling the equipment in 2020 i'm sure she was like oh my goodness and that's when she went in my phone and changed the contact and changed it to her number. So I'm thinking that I'm, he's selling the equipment for me. That's kind of genius.

Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, and so that's what it really, that part really messed with a lot for me because I'm still on the hook for the loan. I now don't have the, I didn't able to sell the equipment. And yeah, how do you, well, you know, how do you approve it, right? Like, you know, how do you go to the police? Like, you know, this was a crime. Yeah.

Well, when I did that, like you said, it's kind of. genius because they were just like yeah we yeah we can't do anything about this essentially and so because of the scenario it's like as soon as you mentioned your your wife or ex-wave at the time and you know changing numbers it's so diabolical that like you know they think you're crazy right or they think you were in on it and this is some elaborate plan to you know basically pass this off of like you know yeah say identity theft or theft or something so i don't owe the loan right exactly it's just it's so deep when you get into like the detail of like that scheme. So I'm thinking for six to eight months that I'm communicating with this guy about my

equipment and really it's her on a burner phone. And I didn't find that out until one day I just instead of going to Jeff on, you know, typing in Jeff my phone. I looked up his number because I didn't obviously memorize it. I just typed in Jeff's actual number and it populated on my phone under uncle, name Uncle Tony. And I don't have an Uncle Tony. And so she changed his name on my phone to some random uh name so yeah so she really went through and really um while you're married this is while we're married it's so insane it's like you hear these stories and it's like oh like my business partner screwed me over this random guy i met like this is your wife yeah well i mean here's here's a thing like so and i know i texted you this i said like bro like is this she's sounds like a

pathological liar and you were like well i just think she's probably a psychopath or sociopath she something you say but you understand that you have to be a psychopath or sociopath to be a pathological liar you know what I'm saying you have to have a antiso you suffer from antisocial disorder and when you say you're the husband I wrote a book about a guy named marcus shrinker who I don't know if you remember this there in 2009 during the financial crisis this guy took he was he was under investigation for securities fraud his offices had been raided he goes and gets in his airplane he wasn't arrested but it's coming.

He gets in his private aircraft. He flies out over, he's actually over Alabama, I think, when he jumps out. Calls in a distress signal, says his window is spider cracking. I'm bleeding, I'm bleeding. It's imploded. And he puts a parachute out and jumps out of the plane. He thinks it's going to go out over the Gulf and it'll crash and it'll be lost.

It actually runs out of, because he opens the door and the drag on the plane, caused it to burn more fuel trying to get back up. And so it runs out of fuel a few miles early in the Gulf crashes in the wooded area. They find out immediately like everything's torn off this plane, but the windshield, which the guy said imploded, is in perfect shape. Yeah, there's no blood. Yeah. And there's like a K-O-A campgrounds Atlas, you know, like in the, it was just, they called

him into the K-O-A campsite in like three days later. Anyway, it's a total idiot. But he was, he's a pathological liar. I mean, that's not me saying it. That's like the government, the government, the government's employee everybody, and the government's a psychiatrist saying it, everybody. And he was married to this woman for like 15 years. And she just, you know, anything that would go wrong with him with most pathological liars,

because I did a bunch of research on it, right? I've read like three books, a bunch of research material, which is 23rd. 30 pages long, these little pamphlets that they put out on their research. And so if a woman, so if a man, and I saw this with him, because I interviewed him, of course, for months, and I would paint him into a corner like, bro, you said this, he said this, I got this, I got this. And he would, he'd go, he'd get, he'd get angry. He'd go, you know what, I don't have to fucking put up with this bullshit, bro. I don't have to put up with this.

You think I'm lying? Why would I lie? You know what? I'm done talking to you. And he'd walk off to get it. to get himself and then i think that's it we're done right three days later he'd walk up to me in the the into like the library and go hey he'd say um are we when are we meeting again oh yeah nothing that happened yeah and so for women for men like 95 percent of the time it's anger

that's their defense mechanism to get out of this an uncomfortable situation when it's their lies are kind of caving in on them and for women it's tears they tip they will typically start crying you don't believe me more. How could you do this? You know. Yes. And then they'll run off. Right.

Or slam the door, close the door. Just leave me alone. I want to talk to you. And you're like, it's more that victim kind of mentality. Right. So I'm because to me and the other thing about it is I wanted to mention about pathological liars is you keep saying, what is the goal? Like, why would she lie about that?

What's the goal? There's no money in it. There's no reason for her to lie. It's something. It's trivial. It's stupid. Why would you lie about your past? You understand?

there are different types of pathological liars one of it is a uh it's i'm going to say it wrong it's basically like a fantastical pathological liar it's i'm saying it wrong though but it has to do with fantasy he actually had created a couple different versions of what of his life that he told people throughout it since he was in college he had told people that he worked at NASA. Not all the time, but he had worked at NASA. He had interned there. He used to fly these T-11 fighter jets that only NASA pilots fly. Then as he got older, it was that he had like the discovered, like the, I figure which one broke up on reentry. I think it's discovery or enterprise. Which everyone broke up. He was on the team that investigated when they took

off and the ice had damaged the wing. And he told NASA that that was an issue. I mean, it was always stuffed with NASA or the other one he had said was that he had flown like A10 whart hogs in Operation Desert Storm. He would have been 18 years old. Right. Yeah. There are no, like the youngest fighter pilot in history is like 22 years old. You know, like you, so it's all, and it's, you know, and sometimes it was the army. He's fighting, flying for the army or he's flying F-16s for the Air Force.

So it's, you know, it depends on who you talk to. But you talked to somebody, and he had told these stories to many, many people. There were newspaper articles about, oh, with Marcus, you know, you never know about that guy. You know, he would tell us about flying all these sorties during Operation Desert Storm. And it's like, he wasn't in the military. Like, so there were lots of stories that there was no benefit to the lies he would tell. But he told them because partially it was a way to boost his ego. and he and they pathological liars they've studied them and they get like an endorphin rush by fooling you

that's what's so weird that's what i kind of concluded right that it makes no sense other than you're talking about something and suddenly he would he'd suddenly have a similar story and he kind of won up you and then if you totally believed it and started asking it he felt good about that yeah it's like the tricking aspect the the scam or the fraud or the lie becomes mainly the goal. Right. It's not really about money. You're thinking because to me, it's like, I'll lie to you.

Right. But I have a business, I have a, I have a specific agenda. I need to, you to believe this so we can make money. I need, like, I don't, I'm not opposed to lying in furtherance of a scam, but I'm not going to lie to you just because. Just lie. Yeah. It doesn't mean.

So I was, I, it would drive me nuts dealing with them. No, and those are probably one of the worst ones because like, that part doesn't make sense. But, you know, other than, like you said, that. feeling they get away with it yes and they do pick people that's you know victim wise that are you know i think more almost understanding but it just yeah yeah it's um like for instance his wife was was i don't want to say an enabler but in a way she was you know i don't want to say she's not a bad she wasn't a battered woman but she had you know it you're trying to keep this guy on an even keel

first of all he's paying all the bills you know of course he's also running a Ponzi scheme But, you know, she's, she doesn't really realize that. And she's paying, she's living in a $3 million house. Yeah. We've got two planes. They've got brand new vehicles. Their kids are in private school. Like, she's living the life.

Right. Like, and periodically he gets upset or if I start to question him. So she just stops kind of questioning him because kind of duh, yeah. I never really catch him and he wouldn't admit it anyway. And what's the goal here? Yeah. I just kind of say that a lot of times in the series where it's like, I kind of stopped asking her because if, you know, ask a pathological liar for the.

the truth you're going to get more lies yeah so you really exactly what is it's just going to keep lying they're not going to say never going to get like a moment of like oh like oh here this is everything i you know here's the truth yeah she's never going to say you got me listen i was just totally lying about that and i don't know why do you know exactly and most people like the jigs up like okay you caught me like i'm just gonna i got out of hand here but no it's like it's like no i'm going to double down like and that's what i realize is that she'll lie about her lie about or like I kind of even say like I can have a picture of her out somewhere like this is you on this day and she's like oh that's not me like like legit just tell you that was another day or

that looks like me whatever it's like they will convince you any way possible that while I'm a lie listen this is the funniest thing first of all you couldn't embarrass this guy shrinker you couldn't embarrass him and listen I was locked up for a long time so I've known lots of pathological liars, you know, lots of guys. But the funniest thing with him, and then I'll get off his, get off that, and we can keep going forward to that. You'll, you'll like this explanation. So one time, I keep in mind, I've ordered all of his documents, because I don't believe anything he says. I'm writing a book on it, but I don't believe you. Like, I'm going through, you're telling me some stuff. And so I've ordered all the Freedom of Information Act. I've

ordered his public records, everything. I have a stack of paperwork. So one day I come to him and I say, listen. So at this point, is this when they start, when you, you were, because he's kind of telling me the story chronologically. And I said, at this point, like, this is when you start getting sued, right? And he goes, Matt, I was never sued. And I went, no, no, you were sued. I mean, the newspapers, they, they said you were sued. And he goes, Matt, they, they, they lied about them. They lied about you. And I went, no, they didn't. I wasn't thrilled with what they said. Right. But they didn't lie. Yeah. So. They were pretty close.

It was questionable. My Audi wasn't gray. It was silver. But anyway, so, and I was like, what do you mean? And then I, of course, I know the lies coming. So now I know it's, I go, I said, so you were never personally sued. He goes, no. Were you ever sued on behalf of the company?

Because he owned a wealth management company. He goes, no. And then I went, was the company ever sued? He goes, no, you think I would know if we were sued. Right. And I went. Right. I said, so here's the thing. Mutual life sued you and I have the documents. Right. You know, that's it. 100%. I have where he was served. He signed it. Like I'm like, you were signed. You served here. You signed here. Exactly. And I go, they wanted $1.5 million of their money back, their commissions back. And he goes, what? Where did you get this? Yeah. You made this up. And then I go, I said, well, that's not it. And he goes, no, I, I, yeah. No, no. I never should have been. I should. This was, this is not accurate. And I went, okay. I. I. I. I said, is that the only one?

He's like, yeah, no, this is it. I go, okay, boom. Heritage wealth management was sued by agey, you know, life such and such. They want $4.5 million of their commission money back. He was, no, I never should have been sued here. And I'm like, okay. And then, and I pull out like four of them in a row. Boom, boom, boom.

And I go, and he goes, oh, okay, okay. He is, I understand why you're confused. I go, I'm confused because you're lying. Yeah. And he goes, he said, no, I get it. I get it. He said, yeah, Matt, he said, they sued the company.

I said, no, no. They sued you individually. They said you as the CEO of the company. And they sued the company. And he just said, every one of those was untrue. And I said, so they sued all of them. He goes, Matt, silly you. He goes, Matt, I owned a large wealth management company.

He goes, of course we were sued. We were sued all the time. He goes, it would be ridiculous if we weren't sued. And I went, oh, okay. I said, so tell me about the first one. Because there's no reason to get into a. dispute about that at this point, he's going to just lie. Right.

And I go, tell me about the first time you were sued on this one. He's like, oh, okay, we'll see, what happened with this one? And he starts explaining it. And it's just like, do you understand it within a minute and a half? You went from Matt, we've never been sued. I would obviously know that to, of course we were sued all the time. It would be ridiculous if we weren't sued. Yeah, exactly.

And not embarrassed. There's no embarrassment in his face. he just kept right i was gonna catch him the lie and like there yeah there's no like no just go with it it's just yeah it's horrible it's well dealing with that type of person let alone in that situation but like yeah dating that person yeah nightmare which where you and like you said it kind of just where it wore you down it did yeah eventually because you know again this is you know what we're talking about but this is still not even getting into you know her cancer that you at. So, like, we're talking about, you know, the initial stuff of the story, like what you're saying is stuff with my practice, the, you know, the attorney situation, the lawsuit, my equipment that she had already sold, but still leading me on to think I'm talking to him and I'm still going to get some money for this. Well, in the end of COVID, well, not the end of code, but October of 2020, you know, she's now telling me that she has like a lump on her arm. And now she's pregnant with her second child, as she mentioned as well.

well she can back up one further so over the summer when when she first told me she was pregnant with our second child she told me we had twins and so again during COVID I couldn't go to doctor's appointments I'm relying on so again I'm relying on a pathological liar right during COVID to give me good information so I'm presented a ultrasound that doesn't really look like twins but there's the writing on it that tells me that I should say it's twins and then you know, I'm just like, well, let's go to a, it was a third party because we could go to the hospital. It was like a just independent person. So finally after a couple months, we went, only one baby. And she's like, oh, I think I might have lost one. I'm like, well,

that's, you know, again, like horrible, like very like sympathetic, like, oh my gosh. So she goes to her regular doctor and tells me that, yeah, she did lose the second baby. But now, like, Is that real? No. For now, I have no doubt in my mind that she forged this and faked it for some kind of sympathy, some kind of like emotional aspect to it. I don't know. But like at the same time, it's like comment on before. It's like, is it like to be special? Maybe. I mean, I mean, yeah, exactly. It's like, well, I will say two things. I think it was we had a sitter at the time and I think it was to manipulate her a little bit emotionally because, um, you know, just that's again, it's like a trauma story, uh, you know, someone that relates to that.

So I think she uses a lot of these type of stories to real people in, feel, sympathy you feel victimized and yeah just it's weird but that wouldn't work on me i got no sympathy yeah so like you know so like all of a sudden you know we have going from this to to one and again yeah i i have no evidence or proof that we ever had actual twins at any time but this is what i'm told and you know so again that's something i'm just during covid again can't go but like why you know no one's forcing you to pretend to have twins why why why just make that up to have to have to explain that away like that why would shrinker say he was a fighter pilot keep mind too right this guy's got a degree in aeronautics right he owns a wealth management company he lives in a two or three

million dollar house he has two airplanes he's a stunt pilot like you're a top tier individual you don't have to lie and say oh yeah and i used to fly fighter jets and i used to work for nassah like you're already top tier right it's like everybody's already impressed right beautiful wife gorgeous kids making money like what's the benefit yeah and that's the like you said they get something about why because yeah it's like there's no reason you would lie about having twins knowing that you're not going to have twins but it's something about you know convincing it or or playing that off but that was over the summer of 2020 and then October that's when she had this like lump on her arm and you know she was like I need to you know get get this checked out I'm like absolutely go get

it checked out and this is the first time i would say that she really kind of maybe took some money from me because she's like the test like three thousand dollars to have this scan so that's fine no problem like obviously like you know you're not gonna not get that done i i believe that she walked in there and sat in the lobby for an i mean gritted up grin it out and bear it yeah oh yeah yeah literally i'm pretty sure she signed that lobby counted the the money it was like all right probably leave now is this long enough for this test because again i couldn't go in uh so i'm in the parking lot you know waiting for her to have this like scan done you know uh so a week later you know we're in the car together and again this is

another time where like who is on the other line you know she she answers the call i hear talking and i could see by her reaction i was like this might not go well and then she's like i have lymphoma you know that scan came back and i have cancer and i'm like oh my gosh you know and again COVID could not go and verify with the doctors and you know it's kind of hipa protected so it's one of those things that's in my mind to fake cancer at this point again kind of genius because it's yeah 2020 no one is going in with you you have nobody you know even with her treatments and things like that so it's all solo because they're a very high risk so I couldn't go in with the doctors I couldn't even you know really do anything uh you know for

that so it's um and i didn't have social media either at this time i should probably say that too what what did the lump on her arm look like so it looked like um basically from what i're saying now i think because she was pregnant i think it was some lactate like some milk if you will that was like hardened because it was basically like it looked like a little bit of like extra skin like some fat underneath it um and it was i did palpated it it was a little bit hard so it definitely you know it's not my area of expertise so you know i was thinking just get it checked out for sure but yeah it was basically this like you know lump of of skin that had a little you know hardness to it as well so i think now it was probably just hardened you know some milk that was coming in probably

a warm compress uh might have taken care of it probably would have taken care of it was at this point at this point you are you in real time yeah are you realizing like at this point like she's you're starting to how long you've been married um so that would have been three uh two years two and a half years with this with this chick at this point you was there a little part of you that thought yes yeah yeah yeah cancer that's horrible yeah yeah at that point yeah i mean obviously i had like a lot of mixed emotions for sure i hate to say that but like at this point there's just so many things it was just like what else can go wrong you know like At this point, I'm sorry to cut you off.

At this point, you still don't know that the lawyer was fake. Correct. I have my suspicions, but I don't have any. It's kind of gone. And at this point, I still don't really know the Jeff situation either. Like, I know that it's, I'm not getting the money. I'm getting the run around. So I don't know the full, I don't, you know, all this stuff does come to a head in 20, 21, essentially.

Yeah. So the dam hasn't broke yet. That's not fully broke. But I guess what got me on this whole tangent was what you were. saying earlier is like, you know, do you figure out one thing and then the next? No, for her, it's like as I'm on to one thing, it's like, oh, well, now we got twins and I just had a miscarriage. Oh, okay. Well, now I'm on to maybe Jeff. Well, now I got cancer. So it's like as you're getting on to like, as you're maybe coming across like one, you know, key piece of like,

oh, I can like get my feet back on the ground and maybe have some sense of all this. It's like, nope, catastrophic events about to happen. And that's kind of what happened after the cancer. is, well, not after, during the cancer. So October, when she was diagnosed with the cancer, she created this, like, whole page on TikTok and Facebook. And this is the part for me. Like, I never had social media, as you can probably tell with my social media. I'm very, uh, very direct with it, awkward in a way.

But I just didn't really do social media in any aspect. So she did her cancer journey TikTok pages. And this is where people online are just like, well, how would you not know? You know, you're a doctor. Like, how would you not know? Well, how I didn't know is that, you know, when I'd go to work, you know, she would be at home wearing like a scarf on her head, taking pictures. She had like a fake port on her chest. I'm at work and then she post it.

Yeah. And then she posts online. And I'm not online. And the people that know me online assume that I'm going home to see this. So they're not going to be like, you know, hey, did you see your scarf or her port? Like obviously if she has it, I would go home and see it. Yeah. But you also think she's in the middle of, you also think she's in the middle of, you also think she's in the.

middle of of cancer treatment right so yes and no but basically in in real life it meaning like in our everyday life when she was going to these doctor visits because she was pregnant at the time they said they were going to hold off on chemo so they weren't going to do chemo until she gave birth and so that was my in real life me and her communications that was the understanding that I was told again it's kind of go back to early like she tells me something she tells the internet I'm actively getting chemo. That's why I have this port. That's why I lost my hair and have this scarf.

And I don't know that aspect. I know that she has cancer, but I'm just told that we're holding off on the chemo until after the baby. So when I get home, no scarf, no port, I'm none the wiser. But online is thinking that, like, you know,

she is getting treatment and things like that. So what I'm seeing in real life is very different than what she's posting on her, like, social media pages. And her, you know, lymphoma cancer journey yeah so what's the benefit like is she is she raising money so is she saying hey i need donations or yeah so there was a little bit and i think the the short term of this that i understand now i think a lot of this was you know she started owing some people money um during this time so i think a lot of this was actually like a sympathy thing because she actually which we didn't get into

but she took $12,000 from like her son's teacher. And around that time, I found out that like he was looking for the money back. And so how $12,000? Yeah. How did she get this guy for $12,000? That part, he's never come forward to clear it up.

But I've seen some emails basically. I don't know why she got the money, but she did and she was supposed to pay him back. And then the sitter that we had right before COVID happened. apparently she was like said she was paying her but she didn't pay her for like two months like she owed like this said her like like five or six thousand dollars too so i don't know you know was the cancer at the cancer at that time in my mind i don't think it was like a true like money payoff from because from my end there was like a go fund me and some t-shirts and again i don't want to downplay it by any means but it was like five thousand dollars i think wasn't like to go fund me which to go through all this effort for five grand i mean right not really i don't worth it yeah yeah yeah the combination of that plus putting people off right so i started seeing emails where people are like hey can you meet me you know like the teacher and it's like oh well i have treatment today

i can't meet you oh i'm not feeling well so i started just realizing like this treatment could have been or having this whole idea could have been to push people off to either feel bad and sorry and or not meet them to pay them back so i kind of have leaned towards that more recently seeing it but that kind of shifts when she meets some other people individually. So the internet cancer scheme in my mind, I think she's just obsessed with social media and that whole yards. But I think the real cancer, like when she started getting a lot of money, it was like one-on-one with people like where she would talk to them and say,

you know, I'm dying and they would give her a lot of money, which we'll get into. Because I think that's when the cancer monetary avenue really opened up a lot more than like to go fund me and all the stuff that was going on at that time so but that could just be by design so but so basically um she she's moving forward with with it oh yeah so the kind of last thing you're saying was the double life like she's posting at this you know have social media you're coming home you're nonetheless yeah and she's pregnant exactly that that's coming up yes and so this at this time all of a sudden she need like a liver transplant and she said yeah

And so she's sending me, or not sending me, but like, basically she's presenting me her meds and, and, and, and rugs. I don't know, they're just, I don't know if you can say drugs or not, just, just drugs and, you know, not chemo, but just drugs that she was going to be on. And so basically, I started looking at them and I'm like, I don't think your doctors know what you're doing because these medications and your blood results. I go, this, you know, I don't, you know, I'm not, that's not my field, but I know what these medications do into the bottom. body. I know how your blood results should look, taking these medications. And this ain't it. Well, all of a sudden, you know, she said she talked to her doctors and they switched some medications and she was no longer needing a liver transplant and she recovered. And I was like, great, you know, like obviously like, hey, sold that one. So I basically just told her, I go, you know, and again,

I can't go talk to the doctors and see them. So I'm just like, I don't know. I don't really trust your doctors at this point, you know, because at this point, I'm, I'm still, you know, I'm on the verge of like my pregnant wife is dying of cancer and I'm going to be left with four kids, you know, essentially, you know, on my own. And so I'm still in that kind of mentality, if you will. But all of a sudden, you know, I'm like, you need new doctors. If I'm lucky. Yeah. If I'm lucky, that's what happened. Yeah, right. Yeah. Exactly. Probably probably would have been better at this point. So I'm like, you need new doctors. I go, they don't know what they're doing. Like, I'm sorry. I don't want to be rude.

I don't know them. I don't see them. And maybe, you know, that's not, you know, I don't, as a, as a doctor in a sense, you never want to colleagues, you know, stuff on anyone's toes, especially, that's not my expertise, but I'm just like, I don't know. Well, a week later, they're like, hey, they want me to go to the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville. They're going to co-manage with them. They're going to send all the results up there.

So basically, I'm like, I question your doctors and was she do. Like we talked earlier. It's like, oh, you know what? The jig's up. Like, no, I got new doctors. it's like you question her on the doctors, she'll just find new doctors, you know, so that's what happened. So she got a referral, and now she was being co-managed with the Mayo clinic. And so, yeah, in Jacksonville. So that covered. Is she traveling up to Jacksonville?

Nope, they're just doing all the testing here, and then they're sending everything up for them to interpret it, obviously. So now you can't, I can't go up there, I can't talk to the doctor. Exactly. They're not even local. Exactly. So it's like, basically, it's all still being done here where you can't go. And we'll get all the results. So it's, you know, and this is coming to the end of, you know, 2020, and my daughter, my youngest daughter, who is only one, not the, you know, the one with the twins. That wasn't a twin, but she's born in January 21, essentially. And this is kind of where the cancer stuff kind of came to a head, in my opinion, because I was always told from her, again, in real life, not the stuff that she posts online, but after she gave birth, that's when they were going to start around, like, the real hardcore drugs. And so I think that's when a lot of this stuff broke down for her because now, like, I don't know how you can fully fake that in real life to me, you know, she was doing it online because she was doing the fake port.

She had her cap on and posting it for her lymphoma journey online. So people online were thinking that she was getting chemo and, you know, the whole shebang. But in real life, there was even a video online that she posted where she's like on the bed and like call it like you think she's about to die well i get home and like i mean i don't know what day that video was posted but there was never a video where she was ever like on the verge of like death you know you didn't go in the comment and say listen yeah i don't care what you're doing on on on twitter right now or on ticot right now but when i get home my dinner better be ready yeah yank that scarf off and get cooking i'm on my way right exactly and so

If I'm on social media, obviously I would see like way more. But yeah, I was living in real life, in real time, however you want to phrase that, a very different cancer patient versus what people were getting the full, they're going to the full ordeal online in all. So and this is again, going back to, you know, as we're trying to figure out all these things with it, with the cancer and all the other stuff about a month after my daughter's born. in January well in December I should say December before she a month before she was born my wife started sending me emails for the place we were living the place that we are living

the payments were getting kicked back and so I'm like what's going on you know and I was I was paying for that and then she told me that she was going to take care of it one month and I was like okay long story short of that is that there was always an issue like it would go through as you do those payments they go through for like five days it shows what about that cancer yeah well what's going on with the cancer right well exactly and like the fundraising and things like that so like is she using that to pay for this i don't know but either way the the rent payments get kicked back they go through at first um i'm sure you know about the eight like ach payments like when you do a payment like that through a bank it shows like always that it goes through but it takes like

three days before they kick it back essentially there's no money if there's no money right so So I'm seeing, I didn't necessarily, I didn't really know that, to be honest, but I see it go through. It's covered. It's good. Great. And then thinking that rent's paid and then five days later, bounces. And this is the part where I realized what she was really doing. So once she thought rent was paid, then my money could be used for other things, you know, shopping, X, Y, Z.

Because it looks like rent's paid. Right. Well, she knew that she couldn't do that again. So what she started doing is forwarding the, the rental company. companies emails to me. And she started changing all the stuff. Basically on the emails, it would say, oh, we did get your payment. It went through. We're going to credit you for all the stuff. And it's coming from like the companies, you know, I'm sure you have you forwarded email before. Yeah. Yeah. And it show like if you do that, you could actually go in and type different things

in there, but it still shows like that it was looks like it appears to have been forwarded. Right. From. Yeah, from it was, it was something. that was sent to her and then forwarded to you right you can see their email address but the contents of the actual email they sent can be completely changed original email is totally different so i'm seeing these emails and i didn't again going back before like i don't you know i'm not in this realm of like why would someone do this so i'm not even this is on my radar at the time um and so i'm thinking that rent's been paid we are good to go i'm getting all these emails coming in well i know now yeah she forwarded them and alter them for me to not pay rent and

do all this stuff so the point of that story is again we're getting to a point where maybe she i'm going to have more things figured out or baby's born she's going into the hardcore cancer treatment well next thing i know we're being evicted out of this house because apparently we haven't paid but i'm like looking at these emails i'm like what's up with all these emails like they're telling me we're paid through you know uh march or whatever time that was and turns out yeah she we we weren't so we got evicted out of there and had to to go live with their grandparents. So again, it's the whole,

the whole theory and strategy of this is like crazy, but it's like as soon as you're onto this scenario or into this figuring out it, it's like, nope, pull the rug on it. You know, you thought you're going to get close. Well, now we're homeless. Essentially, it's like, good luck with that. Like, so your mind is like, we're homeless.

Like, I got, we got to find a place to live. We're like, you know, you're, you're distracted. You know, you're basically now, you know, category, you know, five more alarm fire of where are we going to live. We have four kids. now you have cancer you need to start your treatments like yeah it's best and now we live with their and that what to me so this is to me where like the rock bottom for me was I'm like you know what this what happened in my life I had a house I thought I had a wife and you know kids and had my

practice I had two practices now I still I'm like in this short amount of time I'm not living with my wife's grandparents and they were super nice and amazing but I'm just like how to my life I mean, that's why I'm just like, are any of them coming to you saying, listen, this chick's always been a train wreck? So it's funny that you say that, like afterwards, what are you doing? What are you doing with her? Let me talk to you. Yeah. It was a buddy of a year after like we were separated and like one of the uncles was like, yeah, saw that coming, you know?

And I was just like, well, like a heads up would have been nice. You know, like so no, didn't come to me, but afterwards, yeah, they seemed so matter of fact. of like, yeah, this was inevitable going to be the result of this. I'm just like, what? Oh, she's left the, there's just left. A trail destruction. There's, you're not the only, there's tons of other homeless guys wandering around right now. For sure.

So yeah, so that's where, yeah, I'm just looking around and I'm just like, man, we're living with my wife's grandparents. I have a baby now that's, what, two, three months at this point. All right. And our other daughters, basically, too, plus her older kids. I'm just like, what, what's going on? you know, like, well, let's just, like, how do we get here? So the first thing that I did, well, through all this time is she did have a shopping problem.

Like she spends money, like no one's business. So when we were in the grandparents, I cut that off. I was like, you're not to touch the card. You're not to take cash. Like, I will, you need something from Amazon or Target. You give me the list and I'll get it. Right. Because she would always be like, oh, I'm just going to run a target.

I got to get like a thing of milk and some eggs. $400 later, it's like, what? This is what we talked about. right so she really like shopping addiction throughout you know really throughout the relationship obviously but at that point i was just like i i'm figuring i got to figure out my life and so far i know whatever you're telling me is not helping or whatever you're doing so i really kind of cut her off in a lot of respects at that point assuming the marriage starts to deteriorate at that point because that was probably a big draw for her you know what i'm saying so that's exactly right i mean

Yeah, you know all the themes on the time. So the big draw, yeah. So I cut her off financially and I was just like, the next move is going to be our own house. Like we're not going to be doing whatever we've been doing. I'll save every penny, you know, that I make and I will make sure it's all accounted for. Well, yeah, within two months. So that we moved in there in March, so April, May, June. So three months, she met Gary in the story.

Gary is her grandmothers or grandparents, like one of their really good friends for like 20 years. He just got out of divorce, you know, basically. How old is Gary? Brian is 50s, 60s. And how old are you? So I'm 38 now. How old was she? She's just turned 30.

So at that time she was like 20, maybe like 27, 28. So. Wow. Okay. So, well, yeah. Cudos to Gary. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it didn't work out for him.

Yeah. So we're saying to the grandparents and they have these like parties over the summer, you know, Memorial Day, July 4th. Like they just host a lot of, you know, events. And she knew Gary well before because she kind of grew up there with summers and he's always been there. So like they did know each other. I haven't Gary since I was seven. Yeah. Like it is kind of, yeah.

In a weird way. Yeah. It's like, yeah. So he's coming out of a relationship, divorced. and in coming back to like the friend group and I actually never met Gary because he when me and my wife were together he was out of the picture I'm going through his stuff so when he came back in the picture the times that he came over for the parties I was actually six I never like left the bedroom so I never actually physically like met Gary even during that time but I

heard he was around and I heard of him well turns out she started again I cut her off when we live there so she's you know knowing what I know about her now it's like Yeah, she's on the finding her next source. And so that's kind of when she sunk her claws into and to Gary. It's, they call him victims. And in my, in my, in my, in my, uh, in my indictment, they call him, well, he's on to his next victim. Yeah. Yeah.

No, for real though. Yeah. And so they started this relationship. And, you know, I don't know how in depth it was. But in August, we, you know, she got a place, uh, and told me that we. going to move out and it was all figured out and handled and you know her own place got a place for for us but it was like a house basically right basically i was like the next move that we do it's going to be you know house like we're not doing whatever this is anymore but she figured it out

and she told me i mean it was kind of a weird thing she said that she had this like single mother um uh what did they call it uh grant like a grant program like for single mothers and i'm just like hey i already know you're lying about that because that makes no sense right and also if that was a true grant they're not going to give you you know it was basically a new build i mean the house i think it was it was in near clear water i think the house itself when i looked it up it was probably like a 800 thousand dollar house the rent on it alone was like 4600 bucks i'm like for a single mother right well yeah i'm like they're not giving grants yeah well exactly by the way you're not single and uh by the way this

is probably though you know they're not going to be doing any type of grants for this type of property you know so she that's how she she told me she's like oh they cover x amount so like the rent would only be 900 and she basically was like i'm moving in there you can move with with me or without me and at this point we're with the grandparents so i'm just like i don't know like so like me mom yeah yeah so i'm just like you know fine so i you know i go but as i come to find out now gary co-signed on that that place with her and it obviously wasn't a single mother grant program as you can imagine so gary is now very involved in her life as i didn't didn't really know how involved at the time but i've come to find out how involved gary is and um the the short and the

short and the long of gary is over the course of six months uh july actually about four months he gave about eight hundred thousand dollars there yeah wow and this is where what you mentioned earlier the cancer scheme well in my world at this point i pretty much know she doesn't have cancer because again after she had our last baby she was supposed to start all that treatment we got evicted it was kind of chaotic but it's like i never she never went on you know treatments and so but that's it's kind of as well it's like it depends on who you talk to you get a different story well in gary's world she still had cancer right and my world and grandma's world you know we realized she didn't have cancer anymore so do you ever ask her about that so when we

moved there she basically told me but and she it turned out later on that she was searching for this but on google but basically improvement so basically from when we got to grandmas to when we moved into this next house in august she was improving over that time so she so supposedly was in remission on our end from the grandparents at my end you know the that she was in remission by like august and september but again gary she's you know made it gary what i don't know the full facts on this but i know that she had probably you know gary was the grandparent's friend how would he not be like hey is your daughter your granddaughter have you know so she convinced him that you know don't talk to my soon be ex-husband i'm sure she's telling him all that stuff

don't talk to my grandparents they're basically forcing us out of here here so now gary is like being isolated to not be able to fact check and be talked to the grandparents so he he doesn't talk to the grandparents right or anyone does she have cancer is she not you know he has her her word in the gospel so and i think on social media um she said that it was stage four like yes it was you know when she did her lymphoma journey um yeah yeah she got deep into the cancer journey TikTok. It was TikTok and on Facebook was I think of the big ones.

But she said stage four. And that kind of plays out in a lot of different ways. Stage four. Yeah. I mean, it's like six months to live potentially. I mean, you're very seldomly are you bouncing back. Exactly. And on this podcast that we listened to kind of to do some research going into

this, these, I guess was that her ex-roomate still had her Gmail account where she could see her search history, where she was searching up all these things about cancer pictures cancer kind of just like if you don't know anything about it okay what is this person going through she's searching all the stuff up on google right yes yeah her searches came out through a roommate at some point but yes and they found out that during these times where she needed to produce blood results so if you go to like the facebook group or the

ticot page wherever it shows like she was sharing the journey about here's my blood work for right the day before or that day it's like what does you know your blood work show for this yeah like how would you feel like when you get a fever like they correlate so she's basically googling all that stuff and then the remission stuff like what would it labs look like if you're improving from like you know cancer how does that look you know and so essentially she's trying to now finagle i'm i'm getting better well yeah you got over half a million dollars like you know I don't want to, you don't want to, you know, die. I want to live.

So I need to get better real fast. So ended up being that she was in remit. And again, remission for us, you know, because we, that's what we are told this. She's going to get better. She's in remission. And, you know, she's going to ring, ring the bell, I guess, like the cancer bell at some point, which. She watched a movie. Exactly.

I mean, and. Poor Gary. Gary probably feels like you saved her life. Well, Gary, you saved her life. Well, and this is what I. found out later in a lot of ways because she told gary that she not only you know has cancer doesn't have much to live but obviously you know she's living with you know an abusive husband obviously so she's trying to tell gary that she's trying to escape me this is why she needs the

house this is for all the kids and you know basically you know tail is all the time right like i mean i was going to say if there was ever a case for a man for abuse people who have said they're online and yeah it's like people are like yeah this when the tide kind of turn people are like if you actually did puncher i wouldn't have been upset no so but for real so it's like at this point we're seeing this all in a different life from what he's getting information on and he's isolated so he's not you know i'm sure he's being told once i get cured we'll run off into the sunset they get you know yeah i just got to get away from my husband and you know once i have my treatment and i'm better i'm sure i'll be able to do but more things with us you know i'm sure because it was probably strictly a lot of you know text and emails like you know i'm sick i don't you know you just reminds me there's a i saw this on on like ticot or some of this story where this this guy is this this old a guy who's like whatever 60 year old walks in with like a 25 year old into a to buy jewelry to a jewelry shop and he goes in there and he says he says listen i'm i want to buy her a ring an engagement ring and

the jeweler comes back and he's like okay and he shows her like a one carat he is no no i want something special for my girl here comes back with like a three carrot he's like that's not that's not big enough and she's just like oh my god comes back with like an 11 carrot diamond and she tries it on he says that that's the one how much is it tells them how much it is and oh it's 45 000 or 80 000 whatever it is i don't know how much diamonds cost but it's 80 000 he says listen you know you know You need to get her size. Okay, we'll size it. Well, this.

He says, listen, I'm going to write you a check right now. We're going to come back on Monday and get the ring once you've got it size and the check goes through. I know it's Saturday. So, and, you know, or Friday, whatever. There's Monday a holiday that helps too sometimes. And he gives him the check and he leaves with the girl. She's thrilled. And then on, on Monday, the, the jeweler calls the old man and says, hey, hey, listen, man,

your check bounced like nothing's ever bounced before he's like there's no money in that account he goes yeah i know but let me tell you about this weekend i just had sorry for it yeah no no that's genius though the other return at that after that's funny so what you were saying as well though so after she's googling you know how you know treatment's getting better blood work getting better so after she kind of leaves in December, you know, again, this is like our relationship is like obviously not great at this point. So I hired a pride investigator to look into Lauren. I hired a private investigator, look into the building dispute with Mrs. the new landlord because I was still like that wasn't

resolved, but I was like, I need to get to the bottom of all this stuff. So essentially she's kind of has her back against the wall because I have now figured out like the cancer. situation. I figured out the Jeff's situation at this point. I have figured out the Lauren situation. So I figured out all these things. And so I feel like kind of maybe similar with that story you mentioned earlier where like, yeah, her backs against the wall. Like, you know, she didn't, you know, fly a plane and miscalculate. But I feel like this was like her evact moment of like, all right, I got to get, I got to get a new life. Like everyone here knows that I have, I'm a fraud essentially. So I just get a new family. And like, so she

just took off essentially so when she took off um when she took off to be with gary no so this yeah i know yeah gary uh gary was still in the pitcher because on valentine's day he sent her flowers too so like gary is not out of the picture yet so there might be hope for gary because it'll be like a few years before gary fully cuts cuts bait on this right so he's still hanging around if you will but basically she met some other guys started seeing but to what you were mentioning before you know if you this whole and going back to social media like how do you explain why you left this person like you know did you fake cancer well yeah he's abusive i had to get away from him right so does she take all the kids no no so all the kids are in yeah yeah

You're saying, no. No. You're in the new house? So we're still in that new house. Okay. At least you're not with, with, we're out of grandma. So, yeah, we moved in there in August. So we're there for a few months.

And did I miss? Did you, did you like, hey, like, what's up with all these things? Did you, what's kind of the. Yeah. So there's a loss. We will go back a little bit. So basically, over the summer when we got the grand, the grandmas, like the cancer situation so i i finally call because she went to one of these chemo treatments and then when she got

out of it one day she was like i need to have a surgery like a spinal surgery and so i'm like okay like what now you know but she didn't want me to go with her this is you know 21-ish so like i could have went to like tampa general with her right but she's like no you're going to go play golf i'm like i don't really want to play golf like if you're having a surgery i need to be here but it was just really weird behavior the whole situation was weird so we went you're the opposite of me to me i'm like what i was going to say what did you shoot yeah to me i actually playing pretty good that day though it always kills me when people say when people are like you know well my wife's having surgery i need to be there i'm like

to assist yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you might as well come to work yeah well go play golf like yeah she's going to be out of commission for eight hours essentially that was that made me her theory but yeah so when we got to tampa general she was just like i'm like i'm gonna park i walk in make sure you get there she was like no you're not stepping a foot out of this car like basically angry like and i'm like you're having a surgery like i'm not trying to she's here jasha i got to fake this whole thing for you yeah it's actually it's kind of like i don't know you watch signfeld like when george went to the hamptons for the fake hampton house and he's like fine we have to go off here it reminded me driving to yeah he's like we want to go yeah we'd love

to go to your house in the Hampton. Let's go. Let's go. It's right around the corner here is your last your chance. Yeah, it's like, I'm basically, keep pushing her and pushing her to essentially you know, have to fake and forge more things. Like, I guess I really do got to do this. So she gets out of the procedure. It's just weird. She acted more like drunk and loopy. And she's like, I'm like, I'll come get you. She's like, no, Uber to the golf course. Like whatever. She might have been drunk and loop. She might spend the last six hours in the bar. I think, yeah. Well, that's what I felt. I was just like, okay. And this is when I called, um, because I finally had a place that I could call Tampa General. That's where she was supposed to have the surgery. The other place, you know, that she's getting like the treatments. I basically call them and I'm like, you know, my, my wife at the time, you know, she, what medication, she's had a surgery. Here's her day to birth. Here's her first last name. And they're like, yeah, we don't have record of her. I was like, okay, let me try like this other last name. Because sometimes you go by her maiden name. And then I was like, let me go by her, um, Mom's made a name because she would go, I mean, she'd get too many names.

Cole, they're like, yeah, we have no record of any of this person here. I'm like, huh. What about the doctor? Nothing. I was like, I was like, Dr. Yeah, Dr. Rosenthal, please that we don't have a Rosenthal. Yeah, nothing. Tampa General saying, I'm like, okay, maybe whoever.

Well, who does this surgery? Right. Right. Yeah, literally. You go to Moffitt. Yeah. Exactly. So that's when I really was just like, okay.

And then kind of the whole, what we're talking about earlier, where like you ask a pathological liar. Yeah, yeah. They just spin it and spin it or get it. I've gone to a place where I don't even, I don't even tell her about it. So at this point. So like basically I am finding out about the cancer at this point.

Basically in August when we're in the house, this is kind of what I'm figuring out, you know, Lauren's situation, have the private investigator. She, the Jeff thing I figured out because of the whole phone number where I typed it in. This was in all this stuff happened pretty,

much from August to October of 2021 because again I cut her off in March and I'm really just like I got to figure my life out so I'm like turning over every stone so I'm figuring out the cancer situation I figured out the Jeff situation figured out the Lauren situation and so do I tell her about all this I don't I actually hold on to this for basically until December because I'm just you try you're kind of trying to figure out an exit strategy yes so when I'm in this house I'm trying to figure out an exit strategy to this whole situation because you know unfortunately divorce and men is not a it's not a kind so and I have the girls and I'm seeing just who this person is and I'm like do I want young girls grown up around this so like everything at this mode is like

protection of what I have left protection of them trying to figure out truly like an escape plan I got to save money I got to you know get everything in order and and start documenting this properly to show like this is you know who she this person is in a sense so just no just between you and me just you and me was there ever a moment lying in bed at night and you thought some chloroform and a large suitcase and i could come out of this looking pretty yeah yeah no there was many nights though where i mean i mean she even was mad because of how i did it but there'd be many nights where I lay in bed and she's laying there. And I'm just like, you are probably the worst person I could have ever met.

And she gets so mad. But I'm like, I'm lying in bed. And I'm just like, this is all, you know, all roads are leaving back to you. You know, like, my life was going pretty good before I met you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was many nights of, yeah, where I'm just basically saying how, like, you are just the worst. Like I don't, you know, whoever ends up with you after this all, whatever, like, I don't wish this on anyone's life essentially like so yeah at this point she kind of knows like

I know what she's up to you I'm I basically not happy ruined my everything and it's in a lot of sense so yeah there's a lot of anger of like just who are you and like why are you do like what was the point of all this you know right so we lead up to Christmas and Christmas I think she was hanging on to Christmas because we really you know things were not well at that point but after Christmas is when she called the police on me for the first time ever and it was because she stayed out with the new boyfriend like the night the night before and I was questioning her heaven forbid and so in the police report it stated she never said there was any abuse no crime like basically she did this to I think start the pattern of her escape story that we'll hear

on social media you know this is her first time calling the police saying that you know it never said abuse in there she she claims that in social media world that that's why she called them at that time and while she filed this you know a restraining order against me but when you look at all the situations she never mentioned abuse ever and in those in those times not that's beneath her well at least he drew the line there i yeah i know you're right because i that worried me a lot because it was just like all she has to just say and they'll take you you know and you're you know ask questions later type of deal right i think she did know like that was probably too far for her to maybe go on that so moving forward now again she's trying to predict that narrative or have that

narrative so that's when the fake abuse apps so she's doing searches in january and february for fake abuse apps um to create um abuse photos so essentially she'll have these photos and they'll have bruises on them and she's taking the pictures I don't know how it works, to be honest, but... It's just like a filter. Like a filter, yeah, yeah, and you just add a bruise. Yeah. Yeah. So now she knows that I have...

Because when the police came that first time, I kind of gave my hand because the police were a little bit, you know, they're never on the guy's side. I'll say that. So I basically was like, well, I have a private investigator. She's been, you know, pretended to be an attorney. Oh, and this is when she actually bought the domain name. So when we moved in right into the new house in August, that's when she, you know, switched from Lauren to a Hunter law firm LLC and she bought that domain name for the attorney's office. And so everybody now in that email had attorney law office stuff, if you will. So now it's

like a legit operation. Wasn't for the GBL account. So basically I'm like I saw that you paid for the domain name for this for this whole law firm that you're pretending to be. You know, the Lauren situation, the cancer, the Jeff situation. I go, I have all this stuff. And I've been building this up for, you know, basically I'm telling her this verbally, kind of in front of the police officer on purpose in a lot of ways. And when I did that, she, I, you know, took off, essentially. And then that's when, you know, her mind, it's like, well, it doesn't look so good. So like, I got to really play up this abuse thing. And that's, again, when those, those searches started. I don't searches ever before that the searches started in january of 22 and february 22 and she you know saved him for

a rainy day or uh social media in a few years so that's kind of where her narrative had started to begin as far as you know why would you leave you know how do you leave your your husband how you leave your kids well there has to be a reason for that it's not like oh he caught me doing all this fraud right It's no, like what, you know, what's more believable? Like, yeah, yeah. So that was her, her angle and her, uh, her narrative that she was starting to really build that, I won't say it paid off because she's been telling it for like two, three years at that point when everything went viral.

And for me, I've heard about it, but I've never seen the photos. I've never actually, I've heard about it from different people. So when it all came to like a head, it's like, ah, she's been telling this story for, for years now. You're going to parties. People are giving you dirty looks. yeah what's wrong with todd yeah what's your pro you me me what literally and i would message people that were like around her and i would kind of say hey just so you know this is who she is and then people would respond back to me obviously she's already poisoned that ahead of time they're

just like well you've abused her like you know go away and i'm just like oh my gosh like so this is listen my buddy uh boziac had a girlfriend that contacted every single girl on his Instagram and told them that she had caught him like in bed with like like a high like a like a like a like a middle schooler or something and that they broke up and he's disgusting and he's this he's that I mean oh I knew I had a girlfriend one time where her mother when she broke up with the boyfriend told the two daughters that she caught him in bed with another man and then two weeks later they're back together oh my gosh and she's like what about him and bob like what is that oh it's uh i was a misunderstanding on my part you said yeah didn't sound

like a misunderstanding from what you described yeah yeah people are yeah psycho it's crazy and they have no problem doing all that stuff yeah creating all the the drama and the chaos and then it's just like oh yeah whatever to look at we'll see it's no you know like i said they don't get embarrassed they don't they don't they don't feel embarrassment right yeah no exactly so yeah i mean and then you know obviously i filed for divorce in february of 22 um and she had already put out one false restraining order on me in january and then i mean she's done like five on me all were dismissed and what is she alleging so the first one is that i called her too many times and uh yeah i mean they're all like where's my money yeah

Yeah. So they were all nothing to do with, you know, abuse in this, in any scenario. But obviously, like, there was, you know, kids at the house. You know, she wrote it up in a way that it would be granted for the temporary. She never showed up to, you know, half of them. So we're still in that house that we moved into that has Gary and her on the lease. Yeah. And the single mother house. Single mother house. Yeah. And I realized that too because she was always like, well, you're not on the lease. You got to get out of here. And I was like, oh, that was. your plan all along we moved in here you made sure i was on lease but fortunately it doesn't work like that so i was like i'm not leaving until i have to and so eventually that eight hundred thousand dollars that she got from gary she blew that in six months by by february of 22 she she she had a she was out of money so she had she's driving a nice car is she she bought a range rover in september she had to sell that to get some money back to even push her to a little for a few more months. But yeah, she would go to Louis Vuitton and spend $50,000. Uh, she was traveling. Um,

I mean, the just blow, I mean, in that amount of mine, I mean, 100,000 a month, essentially just being blown. Is she spending money on the kids? I mean, they have everything. No. No. I mean, I mean, it's not like they're, you know, they have private school paid for like they could over like that, but you know, they got clothes and some toys and stuff like that. But yeah, it's not like, hey, you know, she didn't even prepay the rent. She got to prepaid the whole rent for the year. Right. But we started getting eviction notices around April.

And I already seen the movie. And that's why I was like, people, as I'm telling the story now, people are like, oh, I haven't you paid for it or stepped in? And it's like, this is the Titanic. Like, this is going down. Like, I'm not adding any more fun to this. Like, I am going to be getting my own place with my own sitter. The lease is in her name.

Thankfully. Yeah. She's getting evicted actually. Yeah. So, like, I've seen this movie. I saw this. I figured this is how this was going to end the moment I stepped foot in this house. So I'm basically buying time.

And eventually in May, that's when, you know, officially we, you know, I get my own place. And she goes to, um, Cora. I don't know if you're familiar with a Cora apartment complex. Well, Corra is this like downtown high rise in Channelside. Well. Okay. Yeah, it's like. There's a ton of really, really nice places down in channels.

Yeah. It's like, it's like near. Karen and all that. But basically she said on her application that she made $300,000 a year. And I guess they don't double check those things. Looks good to me. So she got in there. So she moved into this apartment complex,

did not ever give them a single dollar ever. But she lived there from May, June, July. She was finally evicted in August. So only four months. But she was able to truly finagle that and get it. in there for four months and not get them a dollar after, you know, we kind of went to our other ways. And meanwhile, I filed for divorce and our divorce took about a year. So we got officially divorced in May of 2023. So throughout 22, you know, she's kind of just running around. She doesn't

see the girls. She's not really seeing her other kids. Where are the other kids? Like, Where are all four kids with you? So up until January of 21 or 22, January 22, when I filed basically, that's when the kids were with me. And then she hired a sitter to watch the kids during the day. So she didn't have to be there. But her older kids were with the dad or the sitter. So she wasn't really watching the daughters. The S.A. dad that went to jail.

Not that one, but the daughter's dad. So the oldest daughter's dad. This is her second, her second oldest kid. Have you ever talked to that guy? I did actually. I see as you say, I don't know where this is coming from. Yeah, I mean, kind of. Great experience.

Yeah. Kind of. It was kind of weird, actually. When I did speak with him, the one and only time on the phone, I'm like, you know, hey, you know, she doesn't have a car anymore. She just had to sell her, the range rover back because she has no money. I'm like, you know, that she is basically has no car. Her license was suspended because.

she got a lot of parking ticket basically i'm giving him like you know what i think is like very solid advice because of what i'm seeing and his his response essentially was like i you know now i honestly didn't doubt like he doubted it but he basically yeah essentially didn't believe me he's just like well i see her have a car she's picking up you know the his daughter i'm like well you do know she's living like in a one bedroom with like some random dude he's and he's like no i don't think so she tells me she sends me pictures that i'm at you know errand's house And I'm like, oh, man, you were deeper than I imagine because, no, those photos, like, because I, because I saw that early on, which is what I used to protect my daughters, I'd be like, hey, where's your other kids? She would send pictures to me, even, of her older kids, pretend like she was with them, but she was actually never with them.

They would be with, like, a sitter. She would ask the sitter to take a picture of the kid, send it to her, and then she would send it to the dad and be like, oh, yep, she's right here. Meanwhile, you know, it took two people to get that photo. So he's none the wiser and he feels good about it. But at the end of the day, yeah, she's going home to this boyfriend's house at a one bedroom. And he's watching the two kids. Yeah. And the sitter is watching either the older kids.

I guess I should say that. So on the days that she's supposed to have them, the sitter takes them. Right. And on the days that he's supposed to have them, obviously, he does take them. So they're not with her. And you have the two youngest. Yeah. Full time.

and so when you get divorced is that how that works out that the the judge awards you so when we were um because that's what has been going on for like the last year because that when she left it was basically beginning you can say end of 21 22 so by the time that we got to may of 23 because i had them full time and she had really no time with them it helped a lot to get full custody because the judge had already understood that her housing is disabled. Mind you, she lived at the boyfriends and then the core house. And then she had another boyfriend. So she had like six.

And she's got multiple evictions on her. Multiple evictions. So essentially that weighed a lot because, yeah, I could show the judge that essentially I've had them full time. And she's had little to no time with them. So that was how it was able to be written. up. But the real factor of all of it, I guess, too, is it was written up for me to have 100% full day and night, holidays, weekends. But because of all these crimes that we've been talking about, you know, when you're married, you go to the police. I mean, I remember going to police with like a binder. I'm like, you know, here's all the things that have, you know, these crimes that have been committed against me. And I try and leave out the person until like the very end. Like these are all crimes. This is what this person did. This person did. And then it's like, well, who is this to you? it's like i you know my wife or soon to be at the time right oh that's going to be a civil

here's your binder yeah have a good day you know so in when you're married it just really it it's that's such a different dynamic of did a crime commit are you married right you know so they really wash their hands to it so i i put all that stuff in our divorce like you owing me for x y z all this stuff so i i was able to get it done in divorce court, so to speak. It wasn't criminal court, but I was able to get a lot of her. I didn't, I heard about the coffee shop. There's just so much. Yeah, what's the coffee shop. Yeah. And doesn't she get arrested for, uh, for like check fraud or something? Mm-hmm. Yes. That's in the, the, in 23. Okay. So yeah. For about the coffee shop is actually a big one.

Honestly, it's just so much. I usually have like an outline. because it's truly like and it's not just like like you said it would be so much simple like this happened detective solved it put it away new one no it's this is going and then you're onto this it's a next i mean just she's juggling multiple multiple scams yes so the coffee shop she always wanted open a coffee shop and when we moved into the single women house gary's money involved and all that she's like you know and again i've cut her off in march i'm i'm i i I'm trying to get out of this situation. I'm not trying to go deeper.

Right. So when she mentioned coffee shop, she wants to open, I'm like, I don't, yeah, like, don't count me in. You, you have cancer, supposedly. We have, we have four kids. Our lives are, you know, we're just, we're living with your grandma three months ago. Like, like, like, yeah, let's start a coffee shop. Like, no, like, that's not, you know, we don't have any time for this.

And she wanted to, she had like a part time job, supposedly, a special need school during this when we moved in there but that that was purely a cover to be able to get out of the house get out of the house or they had events you know they would do events at lightning games and football games so that was a cover to drag these special needs kids to the lightning out on saturday night yeah yeah yeah like fun yeah they're like oh we're fundraising so like yeah you realize like a lot of the things that she lies about as far as having a job they have the most flexibility that you could ever want that's like i could be at home sometimes i could be at the office sometimes we might have like a field trip or you know volunteer events at a bar like yeah it's like okay

so they always had this like you know flexibility to them that you could never keep her in a spot you know right so she wanted to open this coffee shop and i'm like i want out i'm done we got too much going on want nothing to do with it her one of her other best friends at the time her name is lindsay and she's a realtor and so she's been driving around for you know pretty much from like august september to like find a place and apparently they found a spot in like downtown clear water to open this like coffee wine bar um lulus uh we joke now we call it de lulus right but essentially she i'm out of luke's i don't want anything to do with it but so she tells me she signs the lease and then two weeks later she's like i don't i had to change a heart

essentially i don't want to do it anymore which yeah as you know they pulled her credit yeah well they said you need to have your husband sign on it and she's like you know most people that'd be like yeah that's going to be a deal breaker and whatever you know because she knows not like every no chance so what she does instead is she creates an email very close to my email and it's off by a number and she has her um realtor friend sent her the contract there to my email but it's not mine to the one that she created so she signs and forges my name on this coffee shop to get the approval for the coffee shop so i'm i was on the hook for this coffee shop i didn't know it for many months but she basically uh did that uh around october of uh of uh 21

so she is um did did they open the coffee shop coffee shop never served a cup of coffee okay had plans made i think she we i kind of joke about it i can i want to find the footage so bad she got like a hard hat from like home depot and a hammer and like hammered a wall uh and then if i would drive by there like a couple times maybe like once a once a month or whatever like that same hole the wall never like it just this is just you know a facade of this the part with gary is like the Gary thing he was investing in a coffee shop is this like you know this is just another her thing of like well i'm opening a coffee shop i'm going to do all the stuff that makes it look like it but you go by there's not a table in there there's not a machine like there's nothing that says it's a coffee

shop did you ever talk to gary so i'd actually never talked to gary he would never talk to me because i you know been poisoned yeah by it by her yeah like anything i have like i'm the liar in this yeah yeah so gary don't want to do anything with me if i try and reach him on like a burner number or anything like that like he already had my other number blocked when i had tried to reach out so like yeah no communication so essentially this coffee shop well she doesn't obviously pay rent on that either so all of a sudden they sue her well i find out about it because i got sued with it i thankfully going back to the divorce situation i had that in our agreement because i had discovered that i was that i was forged so i sent

them the divorce agreement that said she forged my name and they thankfully took me took me off of it but she basically wanted this coffee shop so bad that she was willing to create a fake email and a fake number to communicate with like the owners of the building because they're like when they're when this all started happening they're like well we talk to you you told me this and that i'm like yeah i'd love to see those messages like you were talking to her you know if you haven't figured that out so it's like she's emailing back and forth with them She's texting with them as me, signed my name on the coffee shop, and just none the wiser. So, yeah, just one, again, one thing after the next.

What, so there was that, when, when did she get arrested? So you got in 20, 23. Yeah. And the coffee shop was when? 22. So the lawsuit was in 22, but she opened it and signed it October of 21. Okay. And then the lawsuit came in like 22, maybe early 23, around the,

that time and we had already signed the stuff so i could get off of it right so yeah so actually was january maybe february of 23 um she had a bank account and she wrote a check to another bank to open up an account and you know big checks like that i'm not too familiar with that type of fraud but from what i understand it's actually like called like check kiting check kiting yeah and so I believe she knew the manager at the second bank and I think they did they were doing her a solid because of the guy that she was dating at the time he the guy managing the bank knew her boyfriend and her boyfriend I would say was had money so she wrote this check and the guy cashed it for her sooner than it should have well because it worked well and then like an hour

later maybe the next day once it cleared she cleared the whole all of it out like she took that it was like ten thousand dollars well she goes back the next within a short period of time why was it take maybe five days to clear so she went back probably in three days before it fully cleared and gave another check for 10,000 so they already cleared the first one and then they cleared the second one all and then they all came back right bad and so she had check hiding i guess At 20,000 in bad checks. Yeah. I think it ended up being, I think they caught the second one, and it might have been like 12.

I think they gave her a partial of the second one, maybe not the full one. But yeah, it ended up being where she took that money and removed it like immediately. And so what they did she, they, she'd go back to the bank and they called the police when she grabbed the bank or? Yeah. So according to the police report, because I wasn't with her at this time, but what I understand is that, that they did call the police and they did a whole investigation. So she had she wasn't even probably, from what I understand, she wasn't really aware of like this whole thing going on.

Because this happened in like January, February. And she didn't get arrested until, I think September or October of that same year, okay. So they had the whole investigation going on, put out like a warrant for her arrest, you know, and try to like go through all that stuff. And then she was, and when she got arrested, And she basically was saying that it was an account of mine. Like she's still throwing me under the bus.

Like obviously, I can't catch a break. So she said it was a joint account that we had. And once we left, I closed it. And she had already wrote the, you know, the check,

which doesn't make sense and doesn't match the records. Exactly. It sounds good for the internet and like, oh, yeah, that could happen. But when you really think about it, yeah. But the people to bank, no better.

People to bank, whole investigation, the checks have her name on. on it like i was never interviewed obviously either so yeah when you get down to like the brass tax of it like you're yeah you're right it's like there's just no way that was ever have anything to do with me but that's what she told everybody because she had also told all the friend group that she was with at the time you know how bad i am so i think she she just knew anything bad that happens to me it blame it on the x like he's he's always he's just still trying to screw me over so yeah

so she got arrested and then she recently that had a hearing i think beginning of this year or maybe the end of last year actually I think it was in February this year there were I think she paid it and I don't know I gotta slap on the wrist right yeah it's a financial crime

yeah it's minor at this point yeah it's not a lot of money anyway you probably got probation or something at most yeah exactly so yeah so that check kiting situation with the Chase Bank was the original bank and then Sea Coast I think was the one that she was trying to open up and I think how she was

really pulled it off again was the man like she knew the manager there right and i think he did something they probably shouldn't have done and obviously yeah you can kind of screw over people it's hard to maybe even you know battle them but you do it to a business like a bank like they can like so that's what i think that was her mistake on that so leading up to all this yeah so we're getting to say 23 so 24 is kind of on the heels of you know the cupcake video basically Basically, you know, she has ran from our lives, essentially. I'm, you know, raising our daughters. And throughout the divorce, this is when I had my page.

I didn't really post a lot of stuff. But I'm like, I know that you have done, like, I have this binder full of all these things. Right. And on your social media, you're acting like you're this single mother and like, you know, whatever. Just your persona, you know, you're a con artist. And like you are now trying to, I want to say like. scam more people at the time, but financially, I think it's just, to me, it's just the scam of like pretending of who you're not, who you are in a sense. And so, um, actually, she scammed

another guy for, um, did you see that video? What, what's in the police where he's in the police station? Uh, I forgot. Oh, yeah. So I forgot. Yeah. Like there's a, sorry, I messed that timeline up badly, but yeah, that's fine. So right after the divorce, and this is again, right after our divorce was finalized in May of 23. Again, they told me, wait, you know, go through the legal channels and do all that stuff. Well, we were now officially divorced. So I walk up to the department. I said, here's, here's all the stuff that has been happening.

You know, that has happened. And so you say that. They're like, well, that's, you know, civil. And I go, yep, it was all handled civilly, but you should look into this or at least be aware of this. Well, she met the next guy. We'll call them just RP. don't know for privacy she met him at a bar that same month end of may um april may time and die like he she's like i'm dying of cancer and i and i have six months to live and

she was in a coma i put her in a coma my her ex put her in a coma so like again this is like all these things that like just hit on i don't know buttons or sensitivities like you know this guy is like wow i got to you know maybe help her yeah this poor thing and she happens to be attractive yeah which is a huge plus yeah because let's face it if she was 60 pounds overweight and unattractive i'd be like good luck to you yeah good luck that sounds like a problem you problem tough one yeah you're gonna get through this yeah not a boy that a girl so and so he got hooked in first thing was a thousand dollars for her daughter's party that she wanted to do well i don't know all the

details other than what i've heard on the reports but how it sounds it's kind of like i blinked and then i'm five six hundred thousand dollars deep so within two years it's eight hundred thousand for one guy half a million to six hundred thousand for another guy plus other cash and credit cards so i mean you know on a on the short end of it i mean you might be looking at like a one and a half million but I think it's probably closer to like three to four potentially. Yeah, and on that and on this most recent guy you're talking about like his son, I guess, I kind of found out. I think this is a scam.

I think it's a fraud. And there's body cam footage of this guy going into like the police station saying like, hey, like I think I've been scam by whatever. So yeah, there's from the videos that we've watched, there's a bunch of all these stories. There's like proof of it online of the screenshots. or the body cam footage all this type of stuff so exactly and so you know they went to the police and said you know took all this money from me and you know you look into it and so i don't know if that's still being investigated or not on that end but they said they did get like the FBI involved on it but they were what you think if they got the FBI involved in that that they would

tie it into yours they would say hey they yeah they probably will yeah like hey this woman this is a serial scam artist or whatever you want to call it you know for serial frauds are like you know and you're there's multiple men involved and you're one of them yes you know and you've got a ton of documentation too exactly exactly but well that's what they I've started to hear that they you know they you know the whole X you know scorned X the whole ex the whole ex husband's theme is you know how it's played out but I have heard that when they have talked with them they're like you should probably treat him as a victim right And not like this X because of all this stuff, you know.

So, yeah. So she does. So all of basically 23, from May of 23, all the way through basically January. So like a whole other almost year, she's now living off of another half a million dollars. Sure enough, by January, yeah, just run dry again. So she spends it faster than, you know, she can get it trips, concerts, lavish outfits, everything. like that and then like you said where it came october and the sun got aware of it and the son started like going through the bank accounts because the dad's older right and it's like um this is gone

this is gone like this is you know catastrophic it's like why why you doing all this well she was sick and needed you know it's just like that story so again going back to like the whole cancer bigger picture at that time when when the go fund me and our situation I mean, it was never like that. So the cancer monetary scheme, I think she realized it was more profitable, more one-on-one with somebody who doesn't know. And I can really...

Taking forever to kill her, though. I mean, it's really... She's battling the hell out of this floor. She's a fighter. You got to admit that. Like, let's give her that. Yes. I don't know anybody that's going stage four cancer.

Two years. Years into it. She looks, it's looking better or better. Yeah, that's the thing is, kind of joke about that because it's like, well, you're going to die in six months. Well, I just need like 200 more K. Well, you're dying in six months.

Like, I mean, is that going to make a difference? So they just keep, you know, and this is the part where who knows that that will ever come out, the whole inner workings of how she phrased things and how she said things. But it's a combination of what she did with Gary, you know, abusive relationship, dying of cancer, trying to escape it and you know potentially i don't know relationship wise but i'm sure there was always that once i get cured of everything and divorced i'm sure we can all be you know we could be together yeah just always that rainbow at the end of the road yeah so yeah yeah so they end up you know and i won't say homeless but they i mean they lost a lot of money but how i figured everything

out is is pretty crazy i guess well not that i basically was able to get into the emails. I got into the emails of the bank accounts. So like when she would, you know, we'd be texting or whatever. It's like, what are you doing? I'm here or there. And I see like the transit. I'm like, well, you're in St. Augustine and you just bought a coffee. So I'm basically now, you know, when this was all developing to get away, I'm seeing all behind the scenes. I'm seeing her all the emails. I'm seeing all her bank statements. So like I'm basically like, what are you doing? What's up? Oh, you didn't, you know, I didn't actually tell her this. but in my head when she tells me the law,

like I'm out of movie. No, you're in Orlando. You just made a purchase at Universal Studios. Right, right. It's just like I'm literally now seeing all the stuff she's doing and just, you know, tracking it. So it makes it over there.

I'm visiting my mother in Ocala and you're like, no, you're in Miami at a fucking concert. Yeah, there was, there was one thing about the, about a concert. Like she was posting on social media and then these girls.

that were doing those podcasts they're like and then the next night that night she was in Miami at encore or something yeah yeah yeah yeah in our in our scenario there is around January 21 when she left she told me her friend OD back home in Indiana and she had to go be there for like her the funeral and all this stuff well she I found receipts for her in St. Augustine with whether the new boyfriend if you will so yeah so she's telling me people are dying up here and she's out you know she she's always that that This two-hour video that we listened to with these girls, they were so detailed, so research. And even they were saying, like, there's literally so much more that we can't even get into.

And you can tell they have spent, I asked Matt, told Matt before we started this. I'm like, I wonder how many hours. They did probably tens of hours of research. And they're still just like, there's still so much. Because there's so many different. And to me, the one that I started at all was my business with the whole eviction thing. Yeah. I still think there was foul play with a nursing home.

And the new landlord taken over and all that. Like that to me was like kind of the original, you know, thing in my mind. Because I have a feeling that lady who was just a tenant in the building, like had something to do with it. Oh, with that, but not sure that doesn't tie in mind. And I in. Because that's pretty bizarre. Yeah. And so, yeah.

I mean, if I, if it came out later that there was, I would just be like, part for the court. Like I would not. I would totally believe it. But I just, yeah, it's just. I like to say that now. she had nothing to do with that. I don't know anything faster, though. So where, the question is, where were you when she did the, uh, when that video came out?

The cupcake. Yeah, yeah. You should play the, yeah, I'll play it. Yeah. And can you kind of explain it for the someone who hasn't? Yeah. Because everything at this point. Do you want the lead up to it?

Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, but I was going to say at this point, isn't she kind of, kind of not out of your life, but as it's moving in that direction. Yeah, so that's what's interesting about it. So real quick on that. So January of 24, she shows up to my job, bawling, crying. I haven't seen her in probably six months. And she is telling me, I won't say everything I want to hear.

But again, for me, it's just about the girls and the kids. But she shows up in my office and parking lot crying, begging. I mean, I've never, I mean, she's always, you know, lied about stuff. but I'm just like, I don't know, I'm not doing this again. Yeah. Well, she showed for like two weeks. So we started to have better communication for the first time in probably two to three years. So we were actually before this cupcake video, I don't know if you even have heard online,

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So basically from January to May when her birthday was, we were actually for the only time I would say she was consistent. We probably would go there once or twice or in the week and then one night on the weekend. so she could spend time with them. And again, I just never trusted her. But it's not a relationship. You're just staying on the couch. Exactly.

And there'd be even times where I'm on the couch and she's like, can you do a bath or whatever? I'm just like, this is your time. I go, you treat me like I don't exist here. Right. I'm sitting here.

I'm just making sure that they, you know, you don't leave them because I know that you've done that in the past where or take off like, you know, you have no rights at this point. So like, I think even though I'm here,

don't think of me as here is like, you know, you were doing all the stuff. you know obviously within reason i'd help her but at the same time it's like this is quote your time i'm just supervising so that was all the lead up and then the friday before her birthday her birthday was on a sunday that friday what she's like i'm going out with my friends and again we didn't get in all the stuff she did over the last couple years but this girl has gone out with her friends 360 nights a year you know out of the 365 so it's like so when it all

kind of broke it's like well how would you not let her go out with her friends It's like, how horrible are you? Well, it's like, this isn't that scenario, you know, everyone did a night off and go do all this stuff. But when you have been gone for this amount of time, I told her that Friday night, I said, if you're going to go out with your friends and not spend the time with them, this isn't working for them. We've been doing this for three or four months now. It's not working for me. It's definitely not working for them.

So if you lead to go out with your friends, you know, handshake, like you have a good game. Like, we're moving on, you know. And so she went out with her friends. friends and all weekend she was upset and I should mention the Thursday before she went out she got an eviction notice shocking a three-day eviction and she told me that they did it that way because Monday was a holiday Memorial Day and then Thursday you know they don't want evict you on the weekend so it like bought her like two extra days so I think it was a culmination of the eviction of being evicted out of that place me saying we're done you know we're going back to

not having communication about them and then just you know feeling sad in a sense so she all of a sudden on sunday was home and probably realizing like i'm getting evicted out of this place spent all the money that i have had like the jig has been is like it's about to be up you know i don't know what to do and then yeah she uh put i guess press this play i don't know if the tears came first or the the play button but you know it's like start crying and then record or you recording and then it starts crying but you know making making cupcakes yeah i will say probably no cupcakes were made that yeah poor poor poor me yeah can you find the video are you gonna play the video i just i just searched it um elizabeth

cupcake mom um and that was our wedding song actually so yeah so if there's a there's a song yeah i don't i won't be able to uh do it but it's i mean it's a crying girl literally unboxing cupcakes and it says being a single mom is making your own birthday cake on your birthday so that your babies can feel happy they are singing to you and she's just crying making cupcakes

do they do they really she's got a song playing it's the uh the thousand years um and it was our it was our wedding song actually so oh what I love you for a thousand yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that yeah

Yeah, like, it's very, yeah, so that was our wedding song on top of it, which I thought was a little, like a jab. So it's like. And at this current time, like in current day, like today, the TikTok, as do you know, like social medias are not up right now. Hers are on private right now. Yeah, so, okay. Her Instagram might be open. Because this is just from some random person who reposted this. But at the time that this video is posted, I mean, it went viral.

Yeah. viral viral so with viral yeah i mean obviously who knows why all things go viral but it was yeah the connection of like single moms being like this poor lady you know she whatever the husband you know people are implying that bastard that all these bastard husband of hers all these things you're right it's like all these things and like you know and then some people were just like who you know kind of like yeah do you cry and then like oh let me record this like you know it's like who cries on can so so in reality i actually stayed back for about five days.

So it did take about, how did you find that? I mean, how did you even find out? Somebody sent it to you? So she posted it and I, I kind of saw the video and I was just like, I'm like, well, like, what are you doing essentially? I'm just like, this is just what I hate about social media. It's like just so cringy to begin with. And then, yeah, it went by.

I got like sent like a bunch of my friends throughout the week, send me the video and all this stuff. And then there's a combination of people that are, I mean, she was actually getting destroyed online. People were just like calling her like all these things. and just kind of making fun of her. So I was kind of like, all right, I, you know. But the thing that kind of changed for me was she created a fake domestic violence charity.

And, yeah. So it never, it never ends. So two months prior, I started seeing the, she had a website made. She was starting to do a few videos. And after this all blew up on Thursday, maybe it was Wednesday, Thursday, the pay button. button or donation button became available and I know all that I know and I go oh my gosh and so that was actually I actually wasn't even going to make a video because again she was getting just destroyed you know there's people going back and forth why it blew up a lot is just yeah people were having everyone had an opinion about it men women everybody because of just the whole crying on camera and the scenario so she was kind of getting destroyed but when I saw her fake charity right all of a sudden where people could pay. I know the narrative that she's about to go with. You're not going to do a fake charity off of me that never happened.

And the fact that you have now, you know, hundreds of thousand of people, you know, feeling sorry or bad. And all of a sudden there. Did you think the cancer might be coming back? I figured that was going to become a sin. You know, that's all that. And you're not going to believe this. Yes. Yeah.

On top of it. The cancer came back. Yeah, exactly. I just beat it. I know. It's crazy. It was just a revision, yes. And with her, yeah, it's like you, you just know, like the next, the next thing.

And so when the pay button was open, that sounds like, I should probably let people know that they probably should not donate to this person. Right. In my video, though, because I was told that the FBI was already looking into the fake charity. So I didn't actually include it on my response video because, I don't know, FBI investigation, like, right? I didn't know what if I should. Well, plus, it's better the more money she gets donated. Like, I don't want to stop people. Potentially.

The more money she gets donated when the FBI finds out that's a fake charity. Yeah. Oh, no. They'll be like, oh. The more money she got, the higher her. The higher. I was going to say, the more much she's doing in prison. I was going to say probably in hindsight, probably should even just let that go.

But that was the thing I was worried about with people. But in hindsight, like, yeah, I mean, who knows how long that would have taken. I forget. You're concerned about people. I know. My concern is get them in jail. Yeah. Let's get. You guys will lose a couple hundred bucks a piece. Yeah. They're going to get it. Yeah. So that was, you know, kind of that dilemma where I was like, all right, I got to, I should write, you know, say something. And then she deleted, you know, with my response came out. Like, obviously everything had like shifted and, you know, and she went away. Like she deleted her account that night. And then Saturday the next day, that's when she got on and just went into. all the allegations of DVSA, financial abuse. Basically, she was a stay-at-home single mom, and I left her with no money.

And it's like, does Gary know that? So like, and then, you know, essentially, she mentioned I was a Scientologist. Oh, yeah. So there's a Scientology aspect, which opens up a whole other. Are you a Scientologist? I'm not a Scientologist now. Because I solved this one thing where they were talking about.

Well, no, was it the two? women that they mentioned it's in Clearwater is the home of Scientology I thought what that that ties in pretty good well that's in that exactly and then there was a website that had some Scientology stuff on it so they were thinking that you know I built the website I'm a Scientologist all these things and like obviously if you're a Scientologist like you can't say you're not a Scientologist right so for me it was you know bringing that up for her it was another tactic of people being like, oh, that makes sense, why he has a whole page about her and all, you know, all these things, you know, Scientologist, this and that. Going after you for leaving the church or the marriage. Right. And he's obviously abusive. And, you know, obviously, you know, she was a stay-at-home mom.

So she had no money, you know, essentially all her narratives now that she was pushing Jets ahead. And, you know, I'm somewhat of a normal person. I have a job. I have the girl. Like, I have everything to lose, I guess, is what I would say. Right. So, like, do I want to get into a. And I don't do so.

Like I just started social media and I've never the my response video was the very first video I ever sat in front of a camera and like spoke in front of a camera. Right. To like post all my other videos before that were like pieces of paper or like documents I would screenshot and like put words on it to like music, you know, music and post. So this is the first time I'm like in front of the camera. So I'm like very not good at like social media at that aspect. And this is going crazy viral. I'm like, I don't know if I'm going into this whole battle back and forth. TikTok war.

Right. And I might, you know, I have a job. I have the girls. Like, you know, she has nothing. Like, I could lose. I have more to lose than she does. And she's better at social media than I am. And, you know, I can't cry on camera either.

I don't have that working against me. So, you know, as this built up and then the bigger creators tick it over, they were starting to spread like her words. And it's like, well, that's, her words are not true. Right. And so it started really like, I'm a. my page I was just getting destroyed attacked and like yeah we do you know the podcast were coming out and like this guy you know all the like I mean I was destroyed you know yeah and I saw some like

some of them were the the one where some of these women were just talking about her like everything she said was gospel and then they were like like we said about the pictures of like you know he says that she doesn't have custody of the kids and never sees them and well that's not true she obviously has custody because I have photo we've seen photos of her. with their children, it's like, what does that fucking mean? Right. It's not like he doesn't, he's not letting her see the kids. I mean, she can see the kids.

Right. You know, that doesn't, a photo doesn't prove the truth of like. Right. Um, I was the other thing that, oh gosh, there was another one that where they were. Oh, and then they, they completely disregarded the, the cancer thing. No, like they don't even address it. Right. Well, she's not perfect.

She's not perfect. She's a fraudster. I know, I know fraudster. She's a fraudster. Yeah. Like, well, that's what you're right. right. They started having this narrative like, well, we all make mistakes. That's not a mistake.

Trust me, I can't go in front of the judge that you're honor. Yeah. We all make mistakes. Yeah, exactly. I know. Well, yeah, you can't just chalk this into the mistake pile. Like, we all live and learn, you know, it's like, no, this is. You know, you're awesome.

How many times have you fake cancer? Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like, at least twice. Well, in her case, it's been three times now because, again, going to different. So I feel like there's a. it may

it may be just a brain tumor yeah well and when she if she ever heaven forbid does can you imagine how I don't think she ever gonna be able to tell anybody it's like if she actually gets it's like I don't think she could ever tell

a soul everyone's gonna be like no you know like she's got followers now she still has a pretty big following yeah that's insane and they're still she posts it's like

go off sis like popa like they're like and it's almost again from a mental health standpoint it's like she does doesn't need that, you know. It's like, they're encouraging this. Like, like, man, like, you don't know the help there. Some people love that. Some people listen. Some people go to

mask artisan crash. Yeah. And that's what it is. Yeah. And that's what happened, you know, since she's gone private, because she's trying to come back. I don't know if you saw the recent one, but she went to, she said she went to rehab a couple months ago, 25 days, right? And rehab so what? Is there a drug problem? Is there a drug problem in this whole thing? Yeah. I actually told a joke on live the other day where I was like, you know, this scenario where she, she got a dog and she gave it to Gary actually to watch and, and told, poor Gary. Gary, yeah, but this dog was special. This, this dog can detect her seizures with for her cancer. So Gary was watching this dog on the weekend so she could go hang out with her boyfriend. And, and so Gary's watching this seizure special

dog, you know, and so I was basically just like, yeah, what do you go to rehab? Like, is there a pill for this path lock like this this scenario that just happened you made up a story about your dog being able to detect seizures you gave it to gary for the every weekend so you go out of town with your boyfriend like i don't think that's a take you know take three pills and call me on monday like that is a deeply rooted you know issue in a sense like you just can't you just can't overlook that in 25 days let alone probably two to three years you know so it is a 25 day treatment like yeah it's not really a drug rehab is it is it for lying like this is deeper this is way deeper you need 24 hour care for months at a time with many

professionals so she tried that angle try to come back and people kind of trashed her yeah there was people saying and who knows how the truth is this um just just my what i heard on this podcast listening coming over here is that this facility that she said she went to she said she did 25 days outpatient when she was like going every single day but outpatient like you don't go every single day in the in this facility only has like 30 days the minimum that you could do or it's like there's no there is no 25 day program and yeah the it's not 25 day program and when she went off said that she was going off social media to go to this and came back it was like a tight 24 25 day window but yeah the the weekends they're supposed to not open and you know obviously

they don't you have a they have a 30 day not at 25 so basically on her video that she posted we were kind of joking that she just walked up the door and like touched the doorknob and then walked or maybe ask for a brochure or something but there's no way she went in there so she you know she's been trying to come back because you know she has like you said she has still a huge following on there the of the of these people that are still somewhat supportive and are still believing not everyone but a lot of people still believe this abusive narrative escaping and yeah I'm keeping the kids from her and these different things and yeah so you know she's just obsessed with social media and that's what i think the perfect storm of

it all is you have someone like me who i don't never really been into social media don't necessarily want to be in social media right i'm kind of forced here so i'm i'm embracing it a little bit but for her she loves to go viral she wants to go viral this is what she wants to do no problem lying about anything right and so you have this perfect storm of like someone that has no lines and me that's like i don't feel i don't even want to like be say any lie or do anything like out of the out of line so to speak so I try and keep my hands clean and she has no problem you know getting them dirty and so when it got just so big I I still kept my page up because I just felt like his right thing to do but I would post only like you know

back to like audio you know like clips of like what I call it blue text right essentially like statements because it just got so rough I I would do a live and they're just like you're a RAP you know Like you're, you're, uh, that you're abuser, like, basically like, I'm just like, oh my gosh, like, you know. Yeah, there's such scumbags. And, and people are brazen in the, you know, in the comments. And I mean, there are the guys that will come on here and tell their story. And like, I've seen three articles saying that they did this, they did this, that, you know, all these things. And then guys will write comment in the comment section, they'll write like, he's lying.

That never happened. I'm like, well, I, I saw his indictment. I know he was released from, you know, prison. Like, I can see the release online. There's three articles about it. Like, what parts are you lying about? Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you didn't do it. You just, some people just are, they're desperate to get in there and just be abusive as, you know, as they can be. And it's like, you don't, you don't know what's going. You don't know what the situation is. Like trolls to the definition. I'm just like, I just want to create chaos here. Exactly. And like, no matter what, you can't even talk logic to them.

I realize that early on. I don't even respond to half of them anymore because it's just. just like they just they want to misunderstand and they want to be you know right in a sense what's like those those women like despite the despite the divorce um documents despite the documentation that you're showing despite the she's at that time she was like what like $21,000 behind on child support despite all this documentation i'm showing you you saw a photo of a couple of kids her with a couple of kids that you don't even know are these kids are the correct children right and you're saying that that's disproven everything else and that you're now the liar and she's telling

the truth right and because you saw a photo right you know exactly and that's the thing like when i did that video i knew that's why i kind of posted like you know some screenshots from the actual divorce document like i try and hit some of the you know the quick hitters like hey she fake answer stole a million dollars you know those quick things because you know again even with the receipts they were like oh you're lying and it's like she hasn't showed you a single all she did was say words it has not shown you a single receipt and cried and somehow that is 100% back she said she was she was cooking her own birthday cake when she was actually cooking they were actually cupcakes like yeah that's not a cake it's cupcake that's fine

yeah that's the first red flag it's a minor distinction yeah exactly so yeah that was her headspace and you know with that video and just it took off and you know she just I kind of asked her right afterwards I was just like I really think you should take this down because I did not want to have to really come forward but she also used that against me she was like oh he was scared that I would talk about all his abuse and so she kind of used that in like a double sense but in my mind I was like well you know I have all this stuff and I will I don't want to but I will right sense so and she kind of it kind abated me i think she deep down didn't think i would ever i'm so i'm still a little shock sometimes

i have gone and gone and done it but because it's just you know that you're as a victim you think they're just so confident in their control over you and that you're gonna stay silent right do um so how many views did your video get about four million nice nice yeah one of the hundred but i'll take it right i wonder i wonder if her page monetize because you know you can monetize a TikTok page yeah and then just then she could go on and be just a professional pathological liar and just continue all kinds of lies and she's got a following people will view it and she can talk about how she she could she could work for nassah exactly and that's kind of you know where she started doing is like you know not NASA but

she was saying that she was working in like medical sales and then doing this job was like she kind of was continuing to you know her status quo if you will because now she had a following what she always wanted and was able to present this fake life that she was living and and bash me at the same time well what it's a win win for her yeah um remember the girl that said she had an affair with an FBI agent yes yeah stocked by the feds yeah stock by the feds there's a woman stock by the feds it's not a real thing I saw a couple clips on it yeah she she's well she says it it she is. She was supposed to come on the program a couple of times and kind of flaked. And I don't

think she'll ever come on. So, I mean, I don't, it's just based on her behavior. Like, she supposedly like went to, where did she go? Was it Thailand? Another country. It's somewhere like Thailand. I don't think it is Thailand. But first it was she was being stalked. She started by saying she had had an affair. And then because she had an affair with an FBI agent who was married. And she told his wife they started an investigation on her and they're like phone on her right yeah and accusing her fraud and started an investigation and it got so bad she finally just like flood and took months where she was posting but keep in mind i'm sure her it's monetized her page is monetized she's getting millions of views on every single video yeah so she's now this is now make funding her

lifestyle so yeah she's continuing it and she ends up talking about how she's trying to leave the country and then she does leave the country and now she's doing ones on uh is it called gang stalking yes that was it's funny you mentioned it because i never see yourself but i saw herself like a day ago gang stalker yeah i don't know whatever whatever that is but she's like this is a gang stalker so it's when you've been targeted by by people in general and they they start so groups of people start stalking you really and so really yeah i mean go with Yeah, like you're in another country and you're being targeted by a massive, apparently tons of people are a part of this organization. They start stalking you.

Really? And they'll just, they'll stare at you in a restaurant, everybody, like tons of them, or they'll start following you. They're stalking you. So this is her new. Yeah, so she's basically is being, you know, it's, what is the term where you're being, you know, plagued or persecuted? So she's got some kind of a, and listen. Maybe she had, I don't know. Maybe she did have an affair.

Maybe she did tell the wife. Maybe they did start an investigation. Stranger things have happened. But now it switched to gang stalking. And she also, you know, she didn't come on and talk about it. And nobody's, I don't think anybody's ever really seen any proof. And some of the videos, she would take her phone and zoom in on like a car. And she's like, that car's been parked there for three days.

They're watching me. I'm like, first of all, if they're watching you from the distance of, they're not great at it. Like, this, this car is three football fields away. Like, I don't, and it looks like it's just parked in front of somebody's house. Like, I mean, you can't just randomly pick cars and say it's FBI a car. I don't know what they look like, but I don't see, like this car you would think would be closer. I don't think these people would know if you left your house. Exactly.

They're not doing a good job over there. No, they're horrible of surveillance. But she, and so she started sounding crazy, but now, yeah, she's in another country talking about gang stalking, that she's being targeted by gang stalking. And I'm sure she's related it to, connected it to the FBI officer. That's the new agency. Yeah, her, continuing the investigation. Her Instagram is stocked by the feds after a relationship with federal officer enforcement ended badly, raising awareness about multiple, multiple perpetrator stalking, go fund me account. There you go

4,800 waste 4,800, but if the channel is monetized She could be making 5 or 10 or 15,000 I think the TikTok Has recently been banned Really? Because there's a The top video I clicked on

Because I couldn't find her account The comments are If she was a fraud She wouldn't have been banned at four hours She's been banned everywhere This was 10 days ago She wouldn't? I don't know.

She had been banned. Yeah. And there's one account that just says, yeah, stock by the feds 2.0, it's private. There is no TikTok anymore. So who knows? I know they did change in policies recently. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

They're not being so okay with you with the fraudulent. They're more. Yeah, they're a little bit more. A little tighter. Yeah. And it's so vague and so hard to get. And answers, they can pretty much do what they want. Yeah, most likely.

So, yeah. But she's, she's out there. She's it, but I'm saying, you've been in contact with her. Yeah, that woman, yeah, I've talked to her several times. Well, not, I think I talked to her on the phone once. And then I talked to her, like, probably a week before she was leaving. And we were going to try and do the remote, the remote podcast. And then she said, you know what?

Once I get the, you know, then the last minute she kind of said, hey, look. Let me get there. I'm supposed to have good Wi-Fi, whatever. So then she gets there and she says, okay, I think the Wi-Fi is okay, but I don't have a laptop. And I was like, okay, you really need a laptop. Like, you really just can't. You can do it off your phone, but it's makes, it's got major, there's major problems

involved. Right. And it's just a much more smoother process. And I'm not hurting for content. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, well, and she's like, give me a couple. days and I will get a laptop. Then she was a couple days later. She was going to get a laptop. Then she couldn't get it. Then she was going to borrow a laptop. And I'm thinking, who are you borrowing a

laptop? You've been in this country for a week? I got a country. Yeah. Then it was, I don't think the Wi-Fi is very good here. I was like, I thought the Wi-Fi was amazing there. You know, and then it just got to a point where I was, I was tired of going. Like, this is not just worth it. I could have scheduled three other people. Yeah. And you, you're in this world so much. You, you know, you probably know it. You get the feeling when you first meet these guys, like some of these guys like, this guy will show up, he'll be good. I talk to this guy. I would be very surprised if he's here.

Yeah, and we've had those conversations. Yeah, I imagine, especially, I mean, how long have you been doing this part of it. For over four years. Yeah, so yeah, you're, you're knowing probably within. Yeah, I was going to say, and I have a conversation a half if needed. Yeah, I have a pretty good, I have a pretty good sense about people. Like, you know, we'll, and we always say, too, well, is that. if there are a problem from the very get-go you know what I'm saying they're a nightmare by getting

him here you know right it's like typically it's very the guys that you know we're going to show up that I feel confident are going to show is the guy that you he texts you he says hey you know gives you a very three paragraphs on a story scheduled the time to talk to you you talk to him on the phone he get he can tell you his whole story in a five minute version yeah you know five or 10 minutes. He says, hey, I can be here at this time, this time. You say yes. He says, great, no problem. I will be there. And you can feel the confidence and you know, I don't have to hold this guy's hand. Right. And I don't like that either. I can't stand that one. It's like, but you know, when the guys look, where am I going to, where am I going to, what, what, how much

is the airplane cost? And is there, you know, are you going to pick me up and you get, listen, but you're a grown man. Yeah. You can get yourself here. Yeah. Call the airline. You're flying into Tampa International Airport. I'm 25 minutes from the airport. Get yourself an Uber. They want you to be personal assistant. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, I'm pretty sure if I, if Joe Rogan was going to have you on, you wouldn't expect, you know, I'll just show, listen, when. Give me that address and I'll be there. Yeah. Yeah. When Lex Friedman was like, look, I'll, I'll be at this hotel. At this time, I'll meet you in the lobby. Got it.

Yeah. I'll hold up the phone. I don't need to know anything else. I will text you when I'm in the lobby. lobby so but yeah so and we schedule about seven a week to get three or four people just to show up yeah that many people cancel you know well i know with my kids i have like all those things and i and they and here look sometimes things happen somebody gets to do an accident something happens right you know yours was the kids that's another thing when i was watching the videos

he this he that i'm like well i know he's got the kids yeah yeah because we've had many conversations where you're like, look, let me call the, let me see if I can get off on this day. Yeah. I got to get a babysitter. Yeah. It's an ordeal a lot of times. And that's what happened. The first time when I was actually going to be off, sick. It's like, ah, and then they switch things. So I appreciate you. And all of this stuff that we just covered, it is all still kind of like unfolding. Like people are talking, like this podcast that we've been referring to that we listen to just to get some background information. Like this was just posted 10 days ago yeah and um i don't know if you watch the first one and do you ever see the first one they did a

year ago no but i know it was a year ago right after it came out they they did the like actually i haven't i read i was the first 20 minutes a year ago and i was just like oh there i couldn't i had to turn it off because it was just not good like for me and plus i everything that was out there i was like that's not true not true now they did a lot of research and kind of was like you know we're redeeming it like hey we got this wrong and really deep dive and did a really, you know, good job on this one. So now I'm like, okay, now that they said this, I can, I'll go back and listen to the first one, see, because in real time, I was just like, oh, no, there's another, whatever podcast,

basically telling them how horrible I am, you know, so. But yeah, so they had the first one a year ago when it first came out, and then they just did this one redeeming, which is pretty good. I don't know how far you got into it, but they did, it was a, we'll see, I probably watched an hour on it. It's a lot, yeah. Yeah, I mean, they spent, they spent 40, minutes on the fake cancer

I was going to say the cancer stuff they went deep in and they're providing every picture every screenshot everything so it's like the amount of research and time going into that before they just sit down and talk about it yeah we're not running that kind of yeah we're just going directly to the source yeah I was going

directly to the source yeah I was going to say well and if you do need any I I know where the screenshots are so if you do want to put anything up that you're not sure about I can't find it I know exactly what like video right roughly what video I could send you like certain things so i'm going to upload the main cupcake video and that's for the most part yeah i mean whatever you need on it but yeah let me know because yeah definitely it's like

yeah they're getting all the research all that but that's all for me like all that stuff they got was really besides the the the google searches but like they're retelling you know my story in a nutshell same with the elizabeth podcast like the first three episodes have been them kind of retelling you know which i wasn't expecting that i thought they're going to go into the which they are going to do now but they just been retelling kind of my story and then they're getting into other people that knew her so they're kind of branched so what's what's the status on gary what's the 2025 status yeah so uh Gary is I think up until recently I mean I try to get a hold of Gary for several years um Gary up until last year probably what are we in ended 24 yeah so we're basically within six months so end to 24 going in 25 um his ex wife found out that gary sold all his property he sold everything i mean he he had he had no he's like yeah he's trying to save elizabeth's life for god he he did he did he did he did he's a hero he's up gary's day so he's been selling houses of his families it's his it's like his mom

but the the catch of it all is that all those properties were going to be um his kids between him and his ex-wife's kid they have a kid together so the house like all this investment all this money was going to be inherited and sent to their child right well the ex-wife found out that he sold everything so now that there's no inheritance for her kid their kid together and so she confronted them it was like you sold this house this house this like you're like you're like you're an idiot like what are you doing so he still would not reach out to me or do anything until the ex-wife basically gave him like an ultimatum she's like you have screwed our son he has no inheritance now you need to go to the police like you need to go to the

police now and he reluctantly on you know he basically if it was up to him he would probably have done nothing as he has been but she forced him to go to the police file a report um and and i don't know what's come of it but he has filed a couple reports i told him to talk to the people in Tampa, the one that was in the police station, because it's a similar story, how there's are. Like I said, you know, you got to get these jurisdictions talking to each other because they seem like one-offs, but you had the same story, um, essentially that they had. So it didn't get any, have they got any money back and really, he's not going to get any money. No, he's not. And he, and he's really not going to, um, wouldn't have ever pursued anything in my mind

unless the ex-wife basically yelled at him and told him to go do something because he was just not. And when I talked to him recently, that's how I found out about the dog story with when he got left with a dog. Like he finally called me actually about two, three months ago. Like, will you come get this dog? Yeah. Well, yeah. I couldn't help laugh like because he was just like, that dog, it could detect seizures, right? And I was like, no, it could not.

And he's like. Oh, Gary. he's like, if you had any money left at all, I'd take it from here. Yeah, I mean, I thought it was so bad because,

yeah, like all these little lies that he had so much hope in that was like, and it's like, no, that never happened, you know, like, what about this or that?

Like, he goes, did you punch her at a bar, um, outside of Cora, like whatever bars out there? I go, Gary,

you think I punched my ex wife in broad daylight. All right. And just walked away. Like, no, that would, that never happened. She goes,

well, She told me that she couldn't meet me to give money back because she followed, you know, because I punched her. She had a black guy. She had to go to the hospital. Yeah. She had to go to the hospital and you were being arrested and all this stuff. And I broke in, I'm like, no, Gary, like, no. So he, I, up until months ago, he is still down bad and I feel believing.

Like, his world is just, he's got to relearn how to do everything because everything he knows is a lie. He's been inceptionized. he's stuck with this epileptic dog seizure dog well he finally dropped it off at her house one day and and she get two days later went to the pound with it he's like yeah i kept this dog for like a year and a half thinking that it was this special seizure cancer dog and she never gave money for food i went out like this guy's been and he didn't want the dog to begin with but he did it as a favor and so and she's like the moment i gave it to her in the house he's like by the end of the week, the dog was already at the pound.

And he was, like, just, like, just so disappointing that. Like, man, I kept that dog for so long, and she just cast it aside. One of the stories I heard on the ladies' podcast was when she went to, like, a vacation with some dude in Hawaii, she had these dogs that she just had at the Airbnb. Yeah. Put food in there, locked the door. And then the cops went to serve her some type of papers, eventually got in, and there's just dogs, just the two dogs or how many of her, whatever.

Yeah. So that's actually, um, so she went to Hawaii in February, uh, with, with, with the, with her current boyfriend at the time that literally hates her because he texted me and told me how much he hates her in January. It's actually quite hilarious. So December 31st, he's texting me how much, you know, he's like, I hate her. She's lying to me about this, bounce checks, like all this stuff. And then in February, he goes, I see them go to Hawaii and I'm like, huh, what's up with this? Like, you were just telling me how much you hate. Like, you were just telling me how much you hate. her. So I posted the conversation of like, hey, you hate her, but you went to Hawaii. Well, they get back from Hawaii and my ex-wife and her roommate were evicted from their place. And so she went to Hawaii instead of paying any bills, as she always does. So they were evicted and they had two dogs. And so she went to go live with a boyfriend and they couldn't take the dogs. So the dog stayed. She left basically abandon them. Well, because she was being served for a podcast lawsuit, um the server came and saw each day like these dogs are getting more and more unwell like there's trash everywhere they're in their own feces so the the process server was like calling animal control and so animal control came out and she played it off she goes oh they're supposed to be like a rover app sitter to go get them and she did she ended up getting a rover app sitter to come get the dogs and then she left them with a rover app's a hard dog or faster she yeah she yeah well and And then she started looking in online, and she actually contacted me.

And she's like, hey, do you have any ownership to these dogs? I'm like, no, they're not mine. It's like, well, do you want to come? I'm like, no, I know why they do it. I'm like, I am good. Like, that's the last thing I need right now. So she never paid the sitter to watch them, didn't give them food. I think she eventually had to give them the pound because she was never coming to get them.

You're basically like a child. If you go out and adopt an animal that you cannot take care of and then you're just giving it back to the pound, Then you go buy another animal and you take care of it until it's a pain or until it's a problem. And then you just abandon it and give it back to the house. You abandon, go get another animal. Like, what are you doing? Like, you're, that's a child mentality. Like, you're not able to think.

Should not be in charge of people, kids, or animals. Yeah. No, exactly. And I mean, she just, that's, fortunately, doesn't appreciate anything because she's never really earned it. And so it's like she steals money and uses it. So she just, everything to her can be thrown away. It's objects,

people, even dogs. That's crazy. Do you have any questions? No, I think I'm good. I mean, and you can answer this however you want.

I am going to ask my wife to see our bank account. I am. I just, as you were been talking, I've been thinking, I've never checked on our bank account. She tells me like, oh,

yeah, I'm like, Yeah, I mean, it's probably good, but this is probably one in a million, but yeah, yeah, exactly. So, like, what's the dynamic to this day? Like, how do you guys navigate this relationship, if any, like, is there contact at all? Like, what's that like? And you can go, you can say whatever you want. Yeah.

So I try to always, for the girls, keep, even everything that she's done, all the, TROs. She filed four up until last year. It was four or five. I can't. It's sad, I can't keep them all straight. But I've always kept lines of communication open. But with all the online stuff, she filed another one against me. And I was just like, you know what? At this point, I can't protect, if I can't protect myself, I can't protect them. Right. Every communication that I would have with her, whether that was on the phone or via text, would be used against me. Like, you're harassing me. you're bothering me you called me 20 times and it's like yeah well calling you for them no it's never about them or she's always manipulating so i realized i just had a cut off so after the last

t r she filed last year she filed it in july there is some things it got delayed but basically by september october it got dismissed and um i made the decision at that point you have to go through the you have to go through the courts like i'm tired of being and i don't want to be your middleman for them anymore you either it's written up this way i've been nice and allowing her to go around the courts to be able to contact me like when i was sleeping on the couch you know last year you know six months or whatever it was like i basically you know i didn't have to do all that stuff and all my kindness has always just been thrown back when it doesn't you know work in her favor so in october i blocked her and i made

the decision to have no communication with her and so i have not she did call in end of october and I spoke for like two minutes because she was just moralized. I just, you know, all the things she says at this point, I'm just like, mm-hmm, okay,

yep, have a good one. Like I don't, it doesn't even like get me. I'm not emotionally like invested or manipulated like it would be in the past. Like, oh my gosh, that happened.

It's just like, I don't have time for this. Like, you know, so for me at this point, there's been no communication on the phone. And obviously that hurts a little bit for the girls. But at this point too,

she hasn't seen them since June of 24. So we're coming up on a, a whole year of her seeing them so i just don't feel like it's good to like just pop on and call them for five 10 minutes and hang up at this point right so at this point it's been block communication since october really only through email because i just i want to document everything and i've told her you got to go through the courts like go to the courts tell them that you're healthy because it's like evaluation as you can imagine after all this that was my very my first requirement and my you know we presented everything to say this is why you know obviously some people

just want to throw that in there and then there's no reason but we threw it in there and we had all this reason to be like look at the mental health here she's not mentally well right not only the taking cancer but spending almost a million dollars in six months like you know so essentially that was the first requirement so it's like i've been letting you get around that so at this point i've cut communication and you can go through the courts do it the right way if they say you're healthy enough to be around them. I don't want to be involved in like the reintroduction either, you know, contact a therapist, you guys, you know, court ordered whatever it is and do reintroduction because the girls are going to have a lot of questions. Like that's when they will need to really

probably dive into some kind of therapy, have someone to talk to because this is going to be emotional handling that I'm not ready for. So at this time, it's really been pushed to back to handle this through the, take me back to court, show the courts you're healthy. I don't want to do anything outside of court anymore because i'm just tired of given the opportunity to have more fake restraining orders it costs me more money and and also have her have the opportunity to say because again like you said earlier like she she i won't put a pastor at this point if we're around each other hey he hit me and you know she'll push that envelope at this point because i think she's at a point where in the past she didn't push that envelope or lie about the you know when the cops

game yeah right now i don't try i i feel like if if we met at a part work you know hey you hit me you know right and it's like oh my gosh so i didn't want to deal with her uh behavior in a sense and put me in in jeopardy yeah um yeah i wouldn't i definitely definitely would not would not and and the problem is go her going through it's unlikely she makes the effort to go through the courts because that's a cumbersome process so and she doesn't seem like somebody who wants to put that much effort into right and just like you were saying like you know you bring them over bring the kids over there and she's like hey can you do this can you know you're this is what being a parent is right exactly i'm sitting here so that you don't

take off with my kids right right you know she wants the convenience of it and yeah and that's why i didn't really you know the divorce process it was very tedious i thought times it wasn't a certain way but I get it, it had to be a process, you know, how to really be this time consuming and covering all the bases. And that's something that she wants no part of. She doesn't want to, you know, she wants the shortcut, the quick and easy. And yeah, if she has to spend the time and do all the steps, she's going to do it for a day. Right. You know, especially with, I would love to know what her treatment would be for the psychopath. I don't think it'd be a 25 five-day, I'll patient.

No, what's funny is I had read that they actually have medication that they will put like pathological liars on, but it's kind of like people that they put on bipolar medication. I'm not saying it's the same medication. Right, but same effects kind of thing. Well, what I'm saying is bipolar, there's medication that helps, not get rid of it, but it, you know, it helps mitigate the, you know, control the, you know, the flare-ups, say the problem is is that it is that it feels good to be bipolar it feels good the ups you know they feel good and you don't get the ups anymore right and so what happens is after a few weeks

or a month or two when they've been on it they they start wanting that feeling they miss that and they don't want to take the medication same thing with the pathological liars there's medication that i don't know exactly what it does but whatever it does is it it allows you to control this impulse to lie the pathology or whatever so you no longer feel compelled to do it as much and you can get control of it but you don't feel good anymore so you don't get that excitement and that thrill and now you're you're almost feel because of that because it is such an endorphin rush you start you almost feel depressed yeah I wouldn't want to feel depressed right give me a month or so feel depressed I'd be like man I'm not taking that medication anymore right and that's the problem

this they don't want to take the medication and that's exactly what i was thinking as well because like what is the treatment for this like and all of a sudden a judge says hey you can spend the time well what's the effect if she doesn't want to take the medication on a friday night what's going to happen by sunday you know like you know her taking the medication and falling through the treatment like you said that could be a whole other element of it because she could quit that hey i don't want to take it anymore well then do i got to take her back to court do i got to you know. I don't know if that's even a normal treatment. I just know that when I was reading the research, they were talking about how they could put them on this type of a drug. And they said

the problem with that drug is that once it levels them off, they, they don't want to, they immediately want to get off the medication because they no longer have that endorphin rush at all. I was going to say they're not feeling alive. Right. Which to me, I thought, oh, wow, that's the same thing with bipolar because I know people that are bipolar. The chick I was on the run with was bipolar. And I made her go to a psychizer. She got prescribed the medication. And multiple times she'd get on it within five or six weeks, she'd stop taking it. And she'd be like, I thought I was better. I don't like the way it makes me feel. And then three months later, I'd be like, look, I'm, I'm leaving you. And then she'd get back on it. And six weeks later, she's off it again. And that's probably

almost as bad, too. Right. Oh, I could tell. I could tell because she was insane. And I could, I could sense it. Like, you could sense that. And you know what I think that's. Like, I could tell you're like, I can tell you're just barely holding it together. I could feel the tension right now in the air. You know, pick up on those cues. It's funny.

It's like my dad was an alcoholic and he would go on drunk and, you know, he'd get sober for six months or a year. And before anybody knew, really, before they were real, was real evidence. that he's drunk, you know, like he's slurring his words. Right. Within a day or two before that, when he's, because initially he could drink for a day or two before you really noticed anything. He's not going to the binge. But you could feel it.

You could walk in and just, you'd be like. The energy's off. Yes. Like, something's up. Like, he's off. He's not acting like he's a lunatic, drunken and screaming lunatic and angry and everything like normal, but you can feel that tension in the air. You could feel it with.

And then within a day or two, he's definitely slurring his words. He's yelling, where I was my such as? Go off the day. You're like, I fucking knew this two days ago. I knew two days ago you were fucking going to be a little bit. Steps out for a couple days. It's all this coming. It's time to go visit something for a couple weeks.

Let's get this out of your sister. Wait for you to end up in the rehab again. Off the wagon. Yeah. but it's the same thing like try wonder if they do if that's a true like that's part of their thing or do they just say no you're going to but going to a psychiatrist or a psychologist or something these people aren't changing they're just not they're hard it's hardwired in i've come to that conclusion like when going through the divorce and putting that in there i used to feel like

there could be help and obviously as you know being the mother and things like that i wanted her to have help for them yeah and i always thought there was hope for help but I'll be honest like once it was signed and maybe not even when it was signed but I started realizing pretty soon after it's like I don't think that there's any I don't think there's any help and if there was help she's not going to go and do anything right you know so and I'm like with most mental mental health issues as you get older it tends to get worse and worse like when you're younger you know most people are are it's you know it's like with bipolar condition you don't notice it that bad as when they're young and they're teenagers it's when they get to be 20 34 and by the time they're in their 50s like they've they're on the street yeah i was going to say they're all right prison yeah they're they got nobody no family man nobody wants anything they've just and they're just lunatics yeah i was going to say that life has just been imploded yeah it's the same thing it's the same thing with like schizophrenics you know

like they're borderline in their 20s, but by their 30s, 40s, oh, yeah, by their 50s, they're screaming at traffic and they're standing in the middle of an intersection with a tinfoil hat screaming at fucking traffic and, you know, hiding from alien. You're full blood. Yeah, the progression. There's no downtime for you at this point.

It's straight insanity. Yeah. This would be my last question because I think it might be a loose end that the audience might want to know. So has she addressed any of the, you know, her TikTokers like, what about the cancer? Like, does she addressed it head on or is she pretty vague?

Like, what is? Yeah, so she's given really one answer when on lives and different things. She won't address it at all really anymore, but she addressed it like one time. There's a clip where she says that it was exaggerated on the internet. she never had stage four but she did have stage one so that's the only time she has ever mentioned

that she did have it but it was stage one but even though we you pull up it's treatable with what medication i mean i think i think sunshine and i don't know uh cat kisses i don't know but yeah so like she's still defending that she did have cancer even though the lymphoma journey that she posted stage four everything says stage four stage four so she's saying that it got exaggerated two stage four it was only stage one and she definitely had it and so that's the only time she's ever and it was on a live it wasn't like a video that she posted it and kept up it was on a live for like two someone caught it and screen recorded it other than that on any other videos or comment sections it is straight up blocked immediate immediate delete and then probably

immediate block like she just it's probably a filtered like you probably if you go to her page even try to type in the message cancer it's probably filtered like you probably couldn't complete it so she has not addressed it beyond that and uh refuses to which kind of what i've will be said too is like you know if you're a cancer survivor you'd probably have that in your bio like you know it's kind of a big deal you know right like how many cancer survivors are out there telling you that they you know haven't you know be worried that's a pretty proud thing does yeah i mean you'd be pretty proud about that so it's definitely but now she's been And, I mean, we'll not talk about it at all.

Well, you know, good for her for beating it. Yeah. You know, proud of her. I'm glad this podcast is in it on a good note. Yeah. All right. These topics, like this whole thing. Yeah, it's.

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